All right, we're going live a little early here because this
draft already filled. It's always a little tricky with
the sit and go to get it all timed up.
You put it in the ship chasing discord and these guys, you
know, like piranhas just flocking to their afternoon meal
here. So we are doing another FFBC
Best ball tournament contest. This one has $300,000 up top,
$125.00 entry. It appears to be a friend and
family draft today on ship chasing.
Let's do it, Pat Fryer, Helmo Anita.
Hand job. Fix your sight.
Jamar and Alpha play chase. You.
Can't. Handle the heat.
It looks like we're finally at this.
Point you're right. All right.
We, we told Gretsch that this was starting here promptly.
So we'll get Gretsch in the saddle.
We're underway, Pat. All of us now have our Pros
versus Joes drafts under our belt.
We have one of these under our belt from last week.
Do you feel like you got the lay of the land on FFPC yet?
A little bit, not fully, but definitely, you know, it's a
little bit of a of a shift mentally from from underdog and
you know, getting back in the tight end premium streets.
You know, try not to forget it's tight end premium.
We, you know, we, we are not forgetting that it's tight end
premium in our FFPC main event mini.
Sod. Yeah, a little spoiler alert
there. We cranked purple at the end.
We do have those mini sods still trickling out.
I believe rounds 8 through 12 posted yesterday and tomorrow I
will post rounds 13 through 15 and we're about to make our last
pick here today. So that has been a very fun
series to do and now I'm I'm frothy to do the rest of our
main events. Yeah, I I liked how the the
draft played out a lot. There were a couple spots where
it didn't quite fall to us the way we wanted, but even in those
spots I feel like pretty good. Like what, for example, we
wanted to get Xavier worthy stacked with Mahomes.
That didn't happen, but we got JSN and then we ended up getting
a couple of good rod receivers after that.
We didn't get a Caleb Williams stack at one point, but we got
an awesome luxury pick instead that I we had considered taking
over Caleb before. So it's like the even when
things didn't go perfectly, they went pretty well.
It's a I'll be kind of curious to see if the landscapes shifts
in a big way or if that this is kind of the early landscape that
I'm liking so much on FFPC or if it kind of sticks.
Yeah. All right, guys, Scratch
welcome. We we had a shotgun start here
thanks to the sit and go element by.
I see a name that's not on the board.
You want Garrett Wilson? That's the guy that I'm excited
about, yeah. I like Garrett Wilson.
I mean, it seems, yeah, it seems about as locked in a top 11 as
we've had. Yes.
I'm going to rank him wide receiver 4IN my early rankings
that are releasing, they're supposed to release yesterday,
but they're releasing tomorrow. He's ahead of Justin Jefferson
for me. Yeah, so I had a whole article
about the AD. PS I'm afraid to lose because of
bananas bullshit like that. And bananas it's not.
Bananas it is. It's not.
What here, Laporta goes, JT would be the running back or we
do Kelsey. What do you guys think?
I'd be McBride. Or Kelsey.
Or McBride. I think you want to go tight
end. I'd be Kelsey, but I think tight
end's the move all. Right.
Let's do McBride, then we can, we can pull our guy up here.
Pat, Pat Guy. Kelsey.
All right, let's go. Let's go.
McBride, then. Well, no.
We. Were the we were.
McBride. Pat was Kelsey and I'm McBride.
We both wanted tight up. We went two of three.
Yeah, it works. I would have been fine with JT
there too, but yeah, in our in, you know, what do we get?
We have piss boys, but what's we have purple boys.
What's the? What's the term for the?
Grimace, grimacers grimace. Something about that.
Got to workshop that. Grits, where are you at on the
Vikings offense 'cause I, it is like, obviously you're not that
high because like, I mean, I'm not like in the league.
Is wide receiver five behind? I'm not.
I'm not entirely out. Yeah, No, I mean, I think that's
fair. I'm not saying like, I mean,
well, yeah, I mean, you can say it's bananas relative to ADP and
all that stuff. I decided because there's a lot
of different sites, my stuff is used in a lot of home leagues.
I think there's a bigger gap between best ball and main event
stuff this year then we're ever going to see.
Like everything is so different. I was like, I'm going to rank
these a lot closer to just where I believe they should be ranked.
And I truly believe Garrett Wilson's profile puts him in in
the group with Jefferson and Chase.
I have Lamb and Hill in their own tier basically.
And then I have a second tier that includes those guys in
almond raw. It's a four man tier.
And then I have Puka and A.J. Brown in their own tier.
But I know Garrett Wilson's been back in that A.J.
Brown and Puka tier all offseason.
I think he's comfortably been in that.
I've been saying it all offseason.
Like I think he like definitely belongs around the almond raw
range. I do A dot and all that stuff
for my projections for for the almond raw point.
I have over 500 additional air yards on Garrett Wilson's
projection and similar targets. You know when I go through the
the team level projections, The Jets like market based
evaluation is like they're going to score points, they're going
to score touchdowns. They're expected to be a nine
plus. One yeah, this is this is the
hot take I thought we would get and I don't really think it's
that hot is is that's. What the market is saying?
Wilson over almond raw. I thought we might get that.
And I thought the Jefferson one feels just like, I don't know,
like it's Jefferson, man. Look, it's different.
I don't want to not have any access to Jefferson.
I'll definitely be comfortable taking him.
And like I said, I'm going to have him in the same tier.
But once I decide on the tiers, then I sit there and I go well
within this tier. How would I rank it?
And in my opinion, you have legitimate concerns about Sam
Darnold and JJ McCarthy and that offense and how it's going to
work. I I think you made some great
points this offseason about how Kevin O'connell's going to be
good for the floor of the pass rate, about how like we're not
going to probably go big negative, but I think we're not
going to go big positive there either.
And the Garrett Wilson element is like Aaron Rodgers, it could
be bad, right? There's a lot of issue there,
but it could also still be that thesis we were saying last year
where like he kind of wants to make a point and he used to love
to throw in the red zone. And I, I kind of feel like he's
going to throw in the red zone a lot.
He's going to try to throw for 35 touchdowns and Garrett Wilson
is going to catch 15 of them. Like it's just going to be
you're, you're chasing ceiling. They're all really good place.
But like the the ceiling scenarios for Jefferson, like
he's going to be as good as he could possibly be, but he's
going to be brought down a little bit by the passing game
efficiency wise. He's going to have some
uncatchable targets and stuff like that that hurts your yards
per target. Like still going to get
targeted. He's going to deal with the fact
that like his quarterbacks aren't very good.
It's just like a shitty thing. I actually wonder if there's
quarterbacks. I think they seem so.
I've read today that McCarthy hasn't gotten a single Rep with
the Ones. It's kind of strange, like with
the Maze stuff, right? Yeah, JJ McCarthy hasn't
received a Rep with the Ones. That is weird.
They've been even more adamant than the Patriots that, like,
Sam Darnold is their guy relative to the Patriots with
the Kobe like, they've been very clear that McCarthy's far off.
Right. And then to your, to your point,
I mean, with Darnold and not that not being good, like
they're the guy the beat was like, you know, it's kind of
hard to tell like if the almost interceptions all the time or
because of the receivers are Darnold, but it's not great, you
know, So but then I'm like, well, I mean, it seems dangerous
to only give the reps to Darnold because Darnold's not very good.
And maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe he can be good in a better
system, but probably not. So then you're like potentially
dealing with completely unprepared JJ McCarthy entering
the the game mid season at some point.
So it does, it does scare me. I, I get it from the, you know,
I've got Aaron Rodgers, you know, new, new, you know, mental
connection #1 wide receiver kind of guy.
But I, I mean, for what it's worth, The Jets have apparently
looked really bad in training camp too.
Their offense is, is just like not, not shining it like in any
days unless they did. I haven't read the report from
yesterday. Maybe it turned around, but like
every day before that, they looked actually pretty bad.
So. I wouldn't say it's like a a a
clear thing. And I still have Jefferson had a
almond rod. I've Jefferson wide receiver
five. It's not like I'm like putting
Jefferson in a different tier or fading him or making him a
fading him. We're on the clock.
Running back is Pacheco, wide receivers Evans, Iuke Metcalf,
Pittman, DJ Moore, Diggs, Ingram at tight end.
Nothing we would do at quarterback.
Say again, it's Evans, Iuke. Yeah, I like.
The iuke. Like the wide receivers, Iuke?
Yeah, Iuke seems fun. Yeah.
All right, let's grab Iuke. Yeah, it's Iuke Evans, Metcalf,
Pitman, DJ Moore. I'm, I'm opening up the the
draft room now. I didn't even have it open to
kind of see some of the names too.
But I you've just popped out as one that's like you get a great
value here relative to other sites, right?
Like, yeah. I feel it's it's so unfortunate
because I, on Saquon Barkley watch our guy Fantasy Mojo was
very upset that we didn't mention him falling to the 2-3
turn. Last draft register to me,
'cause he goes, I pass on him in the third all the time.
It's very rare. It's very.
Rare. It needs to be acknowledged.
So I do need to acknowledge that he went at pick 25, which I
believe is slightly ahead of ADP here.
Wow. OK, we are back on the clock.
I don't think any of us want Pitman.
DJ Moore digs Zay. Think Ingram and Kittle are
actually available. I mean, I don't know if you
guys. Want Oh yeah, you are Kittle is
here. I I wouldn't mind trying to
bully tight end build you. Want to bully it?
Yeah, let's do it. All right, all right, let's I
like it on on FFPCI mean famously tight end prey on
famously two people. Forget people, forget people.
Forget. We need to punish the drafters
who passed on a tight end in the third.
We already got two receivers. We're good.
Someone, someone asked me what I'm doing to get my Wilson
exposure up because I did right that I was like, I'm not, I'm
taking him at 11 and I hadn't really been doing anything other
than that. But I was like, he's going to
get steamed. Ben's going to end up putting
him out of Justin Jefferson or something.
Like, you know, I got I got to get ahead of this and I have
been taking him some ahead of Puka.
I I'm not like taking him. I've taken him ahead of A.J.
Brown. Like I'm essentially taking him
at the top of that tier sometimes, but I don't, I think
those 3 receivers partly because A.J.
Brown you back with Hertz in the 4th, which is just like man,
after the prices we paid last year, that seems so nice.
So I'm trying to get some of that.
I also think Puka like might be the answer.
Like he might be the guy that we were supposed to be hammering
this year. I mean, he's.
Apparently like really good and training camp.
He's lost a little weight. He's looked like kind of like
second year leap stuff. You know, he's actually like in
shape this year because apparently he wasn't.
He had a little belly last year, apparently.
There's not like it's not difficult to make that claim.
Like Puka Nakua had 160 targets as a as a rookie had what, a
2.59 yards per out run? Jerry Wilson was at 1.55 last
year. Like a lot of people have been
hammering Wilson all year off season.
I know he's still going high, but they're basically like, he
doesn't belong here. Look at look at what he's done,
look at his stats. He's terrible.
And I mean, that's the part of it where I'm like, I mean, our
job is to predict the future, not to look at the past stats.
I, I feel very comfortable with. I mean, I I it would not be
surprised at all if Puka's the. Answer.
I'm not saying that about Wilson, though.
I'm not saying. That no.
No. I know you're not there, I'm
saying puka just had the like the best rookie season ever, is
reportedly having a really strong camp is in the exact same
situation. Awesome coaching staff, hyper
concentrated offense, apparently running more 12 which would
honestly help him like. I wasn't disagreeing with you.
I was disagreeing with the broader, a broader position
where we're at where like you were like Garrett Wilson's
definitely going to get steamed. And I got this contrarian play
that, you know, Puku Nukua might actually be the guy that we
needed. And it's like, I mean, Puku
Nukua had a 2.6 yards round run as a rookie.
Like, that's why it goes there, you know, like.
Yeah, but I'm going to be able to get him after Wilson soon.
Sure. Like it's a market, right?
So like, I if I, you know, I just, I wonder if we're
overthinking it with, with puka. Definitely not overthink.
That's the part where I I like. That's where like I'm getting a
like, I get like mildly annoyed by it.
It's like, oh, because your first response is like, oh,
Ben's going to do some crazy shit.
Like, but it's like, no, I've definitely put a lot of thought
into this. This is not like Davis being.
Like Chief in every draft, you know, but I, I mean, I don't
know, like puka Puka falling to the end of the first draft of
the season he had entering his second season.
Strikes me there's no debate to that.
Like I I can't I cannot make an argument that that changes the
data from last year. All I can do is say that I'm
projecting 2024 differently than what happened in 2023.
But if if the whole debate is going to be what Garrett Wilson
has done through two years and what Buku Nakua did in as a
rookie and. Is that what I'm saying?
I, I'm not saying you, that's what you're saying.
I, I, I get that feedback on like on shows and stuff too.
I think anytime anyone does something like I was excited to
share that I put Garrett Wilson wide receiver 4, but it sounds
like like the the type of fantasy analyst that just throws
a a top ten rank out there and puts whoever like, I don't know,
Debo Samuel wide receiver 2 on the list because they're super
into Debo Samuel, right? Like that person probably can't
actually defend that take and it's just like exuberance,
etcetera. It's super easy to just.
Like to press to press you there.
I mean, you said you're not fading Jefferson, but like you
are you are you're, you're fading Jefferson.
If you have Wilson over him because you'll, I mean, no.
I'm not. I'm ranking it the way that I
believe it should be ranked. But I said I would draft
Jefferson still in some scenarios.
That's just a. I'm, I'm doing the rankings the
way that I believe they should be ranked because there's all
these different sites and people use them on a lot of different
sites. I'm going to explain that to my
subscribers very clearly. This is what I believe is
accurate. Got it.
All right, we are about to pick Joe James Cook is falling here a
little bit. The wide receivers, Terry
Mclaurin, Hollywood Brown, Godwin, Keenan, Rashi.
I think we did Rashi last week. James Cook does go.
We're probably headed toward a zero RB build unless we want to
do like a Jacobs mixing thing. I mean, I'd be OK with Jacobs, I
guess. What are the receivers again?
Maclaurin, Hollywood. Godwin, Allen, Rashi.
Rice, Ridley. Reed.
Probably Keenan. I'm fine with that.
Yeah, I feel like yeah. We're right.
Yeah, let's. Rice, well, he's the receiver.
I I'm fine with the running back pick.
Sorry, I I meant he was probably the receiver from that list,
but. Well, yeah, let's see what the
turn does and we could entertain a running back.
Pick I would have probably been Keenan too.
Actually I'm I'm kind of acting like I would have actually been
OK with the running back pick that I didn't really want to
take. I'm sorry trying to.
Remember what we did last week from the spot?
Yeah, we did. We did Keenan Roshi Rice at this
exact same turd last week. I mean, it sounds great.
Again, I'm I'm I'm very much in. So Maclaurin and Jacobs goes,
yeah, it would basically be if you wanted to take a stab on
like a mix in, but I think we could probably just play this
zero RBI mean we could we could mix it up a little bit and do
like a a Jane Reed or Deonte Johnson or something.
Rashi for me. Yeah, I'll be Rashi I'd.
Be right. If we're going to, if we're
going to have Garrett Wilson, Brandon I, you can Keenan Allen,
then then I want the. Right, Yeah, I was just trying
to to not build the exact same team we did last week, but I
guess it's. What did we build last week?
We didn't go bowl. You remember it.
No, it's it's basically the exact same team except ETN is
Kittle. It was Puka Laporta neighbors
ETN. Keenan, Rashi Rice.
OK, Puca La Porta is very different than Garrett Trey.
It's like the exact. Puca la Porta neighbors is now
we have Wilson, Trey, Ayuke, I mean and then Kittle.
It's the 1st 3. Picks are.
It's a simple different. Name.
It has 2 picks that are similar and it's Keenan and Rice.
No, it's the exact same structure, the exact same 5-6
turn. The only difference is the
luxury pick is Kittle. Instead of running back.
Yeah, it is. It is very, very similar.
We're we're playing the hits, that's for sure.
I mean, it would have been nice if we didn't get the exact same,
you know, area of the draft. We were at 12 last.
I'm in the draft room and in between our picks, it says team
Pat Carane selects. It's really throwing out twelve
team 12 Team is named Pat Carane.
There are a bunch of the ship chasers can basically what the
reason the show started early is because there's not a basketball
tournament draft scheduled for three.
So you can't like pre Reg and then it just starts when we're
ready to go. It's the sit and go.
So we're trying to time it. I don't want to sit here for
like 15 minutes and I thought I was going to go to Twitter, but
I like going to the ship chasing Discord first being like, hey,
you want to crack that? It figured 2-3 people would take
me up on it. We'd have a few more spots to
fill. I'd put it on Twitter right
before, but I put in the Discord and eight of our ship chasers
like snap filled, including Chris G his name is it's it's
plus EV to to draft with streamers.
Right now, who is Pat Crane? Let.
Me. Go look in the.
Please don't clip. That I.
Mean it's August 1st he. Who is the mistake?
You made the mistake you made was that the calendar turned
today we we are in August. There's a game.
Tonight I saw you wrote that is crazy, isn't?
That crazy life thing. Yeah, yeah.
Jesus. Yeah, and we're, I mean, with
with his intense, with his intense as everyone is like
following training camp news. I can't wait to see who like,
yeah, I think Jawar Jordan. Man, if Jawar Jordan looks good
like he's gonna be a 14th round pick tomorrow morning like that.
Well, the problem is if Jordan looks good, he played a lot,
right? Like that's right, bad.
So it's a good. Point It's actually like it's a
it's a very big catch 22 because Jordan's playing.
A lot in It's terrible for Jordan.
I think if he doesn't play at all then then you're like, Oh
yeah. Or George.
Yeah, then seriously then I'm in.
The here's our so the names I recognize.
So we got G is drafting with streamers is plus EV.
We got JJFC, we got lemmings. The Pat Crane is owner name is
Yarshall Manda. I don't know if you know.
He's in the chat, he's in the chat.
OK, Is he all right? There he is.
OK, Yarshall, we got SVYI think we got Nez in here.
So yeah, friends and family. Our team so far, which is the
exact same team we drafted last week, is Garrett Wilson, Trey
McBride, Brandon IU, George Kettle, Keenan Allen and and
Rashi Rice. Nick's in the chat asking what
are our when's the pick up slips for the chip?
Chip cast The Hall of Fame. You Chip cast.
Can you imagine? I was on with Davis earlier and
he made a a slip for his his viewers that included over two
receptions for Demetric Felton. And I was just like a A3
reception running back game in the Hall of Fame game.
Sounds like the worst sweat I've ever.
Heard. Like they just.
Rub the ball 9,000,000 times. It's a Hall of Fame game.
I loved our pick em builds and and sweating that I I don't know
if I have it in me for for preseason.
I I don't know if I can get out for it and Eric Felton or
whatever. Davis, dude, Davis was grinding
right before I went on. Davis sent me a dynasty trade
offer. That's his Rashi Rice for my
Deonte foreman, a 2025 second and a 2026 first.
I mean, what is going on with Davis?
Get this guy a job again. Deon Deonte Foreman was part of
that. Guy has a almost career ending
neck injury and Davis is sending dynasty strides 2 minutes later.
Guess what, Davis? I have an athletic sub two.
I know what happened to Deonte Foreman today.
Jeez, you're sick. But he's trying to send you
Deonte Foreman. Yes.
Wow. Oh my God.
No, no, no, sorry, No, no, I'm wrong.
Sorry. No.
He's sending me Rashi Rice. I'm.
Getting that's what I'm. Trying to buy.
He's trying to. He thinks he's trying to buy
fiance for me. He's.
Trying to buy low. I mean, honestly, it's a sign of
respect. He knows you know about the
injury, but he's trying to buy low.
Oh. My God.
All right, we are about to pick running backs.
Aaron Jones from Andre, James Connors, Amir White.
I do like Connor a good bit. Rome Keon, Brian Thomas, I bet
we can get one of those wide receivers if you guys want to do
a corner share. The Pat Caraindropter could go
Rome, Thomas and then we'd be through the wider receiver
that's. What I would do, So I probably,
yeah, he probably will. I would probably take Rome or
Thomas first. We already have.
Rome. Let's go, Rome.
With Kim. Oh.
Well, it's basketball. It's fine.
Yeah. Let's do.
Let's do that. If he takes Connor now that will
suck, but there's some other running backs and Connor's third
in the queue so I kind of think playing it this direction he
already has 2 running. Backs he says you were right.
He was going to take Roman and thumbs.
Yes, see, we mailed. It.
I mean, it's Pat Kerain. Like, I know what he's going to
do, you know? Yeah, I mean, I shouldn't have.
I mean, if anyone's going to get inside of the mind of Pat
Kerain, I should ask Pat Kerain what he was going to do.
I'm one for one. So we go.
We go Rome and James Conner there.
So this team's this team's hot. We got the five wide receivers,
Garrett Ayuk, Keenan, Rashi Rice and Doonese, got the bully tight
end McBride and George Kittle and our running back James
Conner. I like it a lot, very fun.
And I believe what other than Mahomes, all of our stacking
options are live. Oh yeah, and Kyler.
No Kyler, but we got some stacking outs late.
The other interesting teams here, there's the the team who
autoed Barkley and ETN is now back and they have Njoku and
Godder and Anthony Richardson sandwiched in there.
They chased a triple running back auto start.
Wow. And then Jonathan Brooks there
with one receiver in the next 5 rounds, they logged in and they
were like, I'm already fucked a receiver, I'm just going to
draft everything else. I swear to God every single time
there's a drafter who goes like heavy anti wide receiver, the
one wide receiver they universally have is Michael
Pittman. That is like he is the port in
any running back heavy storm. I swear to God that draft that
team always comes pre loaded with Michael Pittman.
It's so funny because like, you know, I guess it's we've talked
about the RPO stuff, but like it's not a, a heavy passing
volume system. So even as far as like the PPR
element of it, it's like, yeah, maybe he'll get a big share of
the targets if, if it's like it was last year.
But I mean, first of all, it might not be.
And then second of all, they're not going to throw that much.
Yeah, no, that's the the exact type of thing that I've been,
I've been trying to like find ways to articulate all offseason
that I don't know what's going on with analysis these days.
Like I talked with Kevin Cole this week and we he was, I liked
that time. It was fun.
Thanks. Yeah, the TikTok, TikTok of
vacation or whatever of it. But like someone hears RPO point
someone here, they they you know, here's an applied to
Pittman, which I I've been talking about that a lot.
I've been saying, you know, I, I wrote about the RPO stuff last
year and I I've been saying how the Colts were second in past
attempts off RPO's per Pro Football Reference.
But like, that's not the only thing.
It's not just that that little clip doesn't mean that Michael
Pittman is worth his ADP or something, right?
Like it's like people hear a positive thing, they assume the
ADP is efficient, and then they're like, well, Michael
Pittman is worth picking where he's going.
It's like Michael Pittman's mispriced by 4 rounds.
Like he's way mispriced. Maybe not four, but like,
especially with the Josh down. Something we're talking about my
truth serum take is he's a 6th rounder.
He's got to be. Early 6th, 5, sixth turn.
OK, that's but truth serum. I wasn't.
I wasn't supposed to take that on air.
It would be it would be fun to do a show that is like the truth
serum show, like where you we all say I was doing this in my
head the other day. I was.
Like just drink alcohol. I I.
Was thinking about these for like like best ball structure
stuff like some things like deep down, I think that it's just
like kind of like bro science, like extrapolation on like the
data of like things like like I like a very hot one is like in
my head it my truth serum is I think like just elite QB is just
bad in in basketball mania. Like that's like if you get my
like truth serum there, I think you want three like stuff like
that where it's like, yes, I probably I don't want to go on.
Yeah, we're I'm sure we all have some of these.
Like this guy should be a first round pick and he's like a 6th
rounder, you know? Like I bet we all have one of
those. Yeah, his name's Adrian.
There you go. The true serum show the
drinking. We need a true serum show.
That would be very, very fun. It would be really good as a
spin off of like the whole summer of like, yeah, we've had
the AD PS you anchor to them a little bit.
Everything's market based. This at the other thing, it's
like, well, we're in August now. And one of the things that did
happen in August last year after a really big best ball summer
and best ball offseason was people were the the AD PS were
not they, they jumped around a lot more in August than I've
ever felt like they have. Like I felt like in in past
years with less drafting in the offseason, there was like
eventually people when ADP started to settle in August,
they sort of settled and then that was it.
But it's like people have been the have these truth serum
takes. They're like, that's where it's
been all all offseason. There's been a whole bunch of
drafting. There's been way more volume.
But I've thought that was wrong for months.
And I'm going to attack that in August.
And it's like all of a sudden people come out of the woodworks
and they're like willing to, to, to look at things way, way
different than, I don't know. It seems like it should be more
robust and it's like somehow less.
We kind of hit like a stalemate. I feel like in June and most of
July where like we there was like the, the wide receiver
prices like locked you out of a bunch of stuff you wanted to do
and you kind of had to like follow suit a little bit too
much. It like I was, I was honestly
like, I'm so glad casuals are coming in and you already see
the the wide receiver kind of window like spacing out a little
bit into round seven. So it's not so, so tight the 6-7
turn and it just makes it allows more flexibility while you're
building. And my hope is that as more
casuals come in, it'll it'll just increase the flexibility so
that you can do stuff like that. Like I feel like you, you are
limited in how much you could get it get different in certain
ways when the wider sewer pricing was so tight.
We are now on the clock. One thing to note, I don't think
we have to take him here, but coming back, I'd be pretty
interested in Brock stacked up with Kittle as our first
quarterback. And then the guy who comes back
here that we weren't able to get last week is Tajay Spears, if
you guys are interested in that. I like it.
I mean, I'd still be Javante, but we could take Tajay Spears.
Always Javante. Just always Javante over.
There's the true serum take. Yeah, I like Taije, but even
with the field, the Titans are the worst offense in the NFL.
That's what you take the the the push back to the Broncos stuff
is off of the Broncos are going to be the worst offense in the
NFL. So maybe it's just.
The Broncos are going to be better this year than they were
last year. People don't understand how much
Sean Payton was held back by Russ Wilson.
He was hiding him the whole second-half of the year.
They weren't even throwing. It was very clear weekly, like
when you're writing stealing signals and stuff, Pat, you
probably remember it from the, the the walkthrough like it's he
had. Some garbage time he he he
looked better in in the numbers than he was.
Right. People are like they had Russ
last year, now they have a rookie.
The offense is going to get worse.
I think they had Russ last year. They actually have a an ability
to open up the offense with a rookie this year.
It's basically where we're at with the Broncos.
If Nix is good enough, Nix has not looked very good.
I think there I saw a headline that he was looking better, but
he's it's been I mean, he's a rookie, whatever, it's beginning
of training camp. But there there's a there's a
range to how this can go right? I'm definitely nervous on him
sucking. He could definitely just.
He could just suck. Yeah, chat mentioning we got
some news that Justin Herbert was diagnosed with an injury to
his right foot plantar fascia. He's expected to be sidelined
into August there, so not great. Into September.
We're in August already. No, I know that's what, that's
what his tweets, that's what. Shafter's tweet said sideline
into August, but as if Harbaugh needed.
You're tweeting, you're. Tweeting in August.
Take it up with Shafter. Man, it's gonna give him.
A second it's. Gonna adjust.
Into August, I know what he means.
Deep into August is what he's trying to say.
OK. Yeah.
That's not great. It does read.
Yeah, OK, It's crazy that it's August.
We've talked about this a couple different times, but I mean,
it's fucking August 1st today and that's insane to me.
Yeah, we're there. We're there is.
This true? We're there.
You stepped onto a razor blade. No.
No, that's not how you get plantar fasciitis.
That's how you get a cut the the chat not not super stepping.
On a razor blade is not two weeks in a boot, it's some
stitches. Right.
The mixing, that's what it feels like.
It feels like stuffing. Oh, feels like.
Yeah, OK, alright. I was worried.
Do you know, in my head, I'm like, I'm like Justin Herbert.
He had an accident while shaving and the razor blade fell and he
was fumbling around in the shower.
I'm like, how did this happen? I tore my planter fascia a while
ago. Some people who this is that
that FSGA that was with kitchen like in 2016 or 2017 that we
were talking about. I had that conversation with
David Kitchen, but I was wearing a boot at that thing.
Some people still reference this time I was at an FSGA wearing a
a walking boot. Random people like I don't I.
Remember. Really.
Yeah, I've had like I've had people like bring up that I was
they met me and I'm like, oh, I was in a walking boot and I'm
like, yeah, I do remember that. I'd already bought the tickets
and then, you know, the have like lodging figured out and
everything. And then I was playing a pickup
basketball game and tore my planet fashion how to get a boot
and went on the trip anyway. But it was for me, it was it
felt more like a pop, like I thought I got kicked.
I like I planted and my foot was flexed.
That sounds like an Achilles. Well, my foot, my foot was
flexed with like the toe on the ground and the heel up.
I was like pushing off the drive and I just went down, but I
thought somebody walked up behind me basically and kicked
the arch in my foot. Like straight up just kicked it
and then it wasn't that. How long did it take to get
back? I can't remember, that was like
8 years ago. Yeah, it was a long time ago.
Probably a month, month more, more, more than that.
So it was a. Month for her birthday.
Yeah, I mean it. One of the things is then they
had me do the like arch support stuff in my shoes.
I'm sure they can do some really good stuff for him.
Like the doctors will have some really good like arch support
stuff that will help him like stabilize his foot.
Because the biggest issue is like you're not getting like
arch support. But once he gets a certain a
certain degree of healing, they can probably get him in some
pretty good Doctor Scholl's. Do you think he even like, do
you think it really matters if he's if it the whole season,
it's just going to be doing this?
I I did have him light up. Out of shotgun, inside hand off,
every single every. Single as long as he, as long as
he tells us who he's doing that with each day, maybe we can get,
maybe we while Herbert is recovering, he can become the
charter speed reporter that we need.
Nice, we can hear from him. I I did get a little bit nervous
that it was his right foot in reading this tweet, because
that's like the push off foot for a right-handed thrower.
That is kind of the push off. But that's how I heard it was
pushing off. It's definitely put like you
need that like arch support to push off and throw a little bit,
I think, but what I genuinely have no idea.
I just have had this injury. No, it makes a lot of sense.
All right, we're coming up on the 1112 turn just to list some
names in the queue at wide receiver, or I should say ADP.
Khalil Shakur, Jacoby Myers, Jerry Judy, Mike Williams,
Dontavian Wicks, Josh Downs, The running backs, Chubb Ford, Gus
Edwards, Zeke Charbonnay, Rico Ty Chandler.
Tight end is like pretty wiped. You're down to Hunter Henry
quarterback. You're at Mr. Planter Fascia
himself, Stafford Watson. I don't.
Rogers. Do we think he comes back?
Maybe that's something to keep an eye on if we want that stack.
Say the receivers can start. The interesting receiver.
So you got Jacoby, Judy, Mike Williams Downs now after a
Sutton or sorry, Wicks just went.
And then running back. So we do like a like a Benson or
Charbonnay or something. Charbonnay is gone.
Benson's gone, yeah. Charbonnet.
Yeah. I like sharps.
Yeah, Sharps is. And last.
Week we're doing the exact same draft I.
Mean as well do the same draft. We're really combining the great
draft, yeah. We could take.
I think one of Judy, one of Judy or Downs, Yeah, but I'm.
Just having a good time I. Was going to wait till Packer
and picks on the on the I thought he might take a vote.
The only nice thing about Judy is gives us another stack out
with. Watson, that's true.
So the so the three girl dads can collectively draft Deshaun
Watson again. Yeah, it's not my favorite,
although we do get to share stories about our daughters,
which is nice. Yeah.
That's that's our best. He takes Polk.
Oh, it takes. Jalen Polk, that's.
Really good. That's classic background shit
right there. That's really good.
I look him, he's doing the bit pretty well.
You know he is, he is May and the 13th, I think.
Should we do, Judy? Yeah, that's the I think.
I think I'm downs, but I yeah. I'm probably downs in a vacuum
at this point, but I do think Judy for the the stack option
makes is a pretty good tiebreaker.
Yeah, the, you know, Caleb had gone off the board on the other
side and also Lemmings had taken Conklin.
So he's live to take Rogers too. So it's just kind of a pretty,
it gets to be more gross at quarterback there.
Yeah, it's a good point. When did Kyler went early?
Seven. We would have to take him over.
Rashi Rice. Yeah.
His banded brotherhood. Connor.
This is an interesting note. There's an interesting note
about Herbert maybe playing tonight.
I I that would be very intriguing if if he plays, but I
have you guys seen like the stuff I'm hearing about Herbert
seems like he's pretty live to be the RV two there.
So I think it feels wish casting to me that we're that he's going
to get. If this is one of those, like, I
mean, maybe I'll be proven wrong, but this feels like one
of those very classic fantasy things where the team is just
like we need 3 running backs in a 17 game NFL season.
Like when you heard Mike McCarthy talk about his backs
the other day, he was like even when, you know, when he had 16
games, like I always felt like you need more guys, but you can
really feel it when you get to 17 games.
He was talking through that exact thing that we've talked
about a little bit in the season these last couple years were
like, there's more attrition, there's more concern about depth
at this point in the longevity of the NFL.
And, and I think coaches are more willing to do like load
management stuff and things like that.
They think they need 3 backs and then we're just like, well, they
have three good backs, so they're definitely going to
release one. Like no, they, they're, they
think that's a, a, a feature, not a bug.
They're not like, we have too many good running backs.
They're like, we have a lot of good running backs.
We need them, you know, like. Yeah, and I mean, he's good.
He's good. So like, you know, he's he's
look good in camp and they've listed them as the Co backups
him and Roshan and it's Roshan was talking about how the roles
aren't settled yet and it seems like he might actually win the
RB2 job. So like I I don't know, I mean
it does it strikes me a little bit differently than Semaj P
Ryan where it's like they they're talking up estimate.
Javonte looks a little rejuvenated.
Jaleel was impressive and you know, as a second year guy where
P Ryan kind of like seems like maybe he's falling out of the
rotation, but Herbert doesn't seem like he has.
So I'll be curious. I mean, if if he plays a lot
then I'll obviously take that into account, but my prior would
be that he doesn't. Yeah, a few comments here from
the chat. Nice to have Sam Sherman logging
in today. Sam says Travis Homer is there
as well for solid backs. The consiglier says can we talk
about the promise that was Tariq Cohen?
Yeah, I saw his retirement today.
I mean, between Rashad Penny and Tariq Cohen losing 2 fantasy
folk heroes in the past couple of days, Dan K, anything can
happen. An RB1 An RB2 traded cut death
by Chicago flu As David Kitchen once said, we just don't know.
We. Just don't know.
Travis Ober played sixteen games last year, had zero rushing
attempts and one target, just barely.
What were the special team snaps?
His special team snaps went through the roof.
He did not have an offensive touch.
He just got a target one time. The Patrick Blaird Special.
He played every game. His special team snaps were in
double figures every game except when he left early for injury.
He was inactive the next week, but he played every other game
and was at least 12 + 11 plus special team snaps every game as
high as 26 key special teams role 7 special teams tackles on
the season. There weren't a lot of kick
returns, so you know, that's probably good I.
Have no idea. So I haven't seen the reports
about the Herbert. What?
So what are they saying about Roshan?
That he's kind of Co running back to behind Swift.
It's not it's not bad Roshan stuff.
It's just like Herbert has kind of been like assumed to be the
odd man out there with Roshan as the backup.
It what? It's weird.
I mean, Herbert goes ahead of Roshan on underdogs.
So in some ways you say, no, that's not the assumption.
But what I hear, it sounds like everyone's like, where's Herbert
going to go? Where is he going to be the guy
who goes to the Cowboys or, you know, all that stuff And doesn't
really seem like that. It seems like the most likely
scenarios that he's just on the Bears.
Yeah. How many offensive snaps do you
guys think Travis Homer played last year based on everything I
just told you? Oh.
Man. You did have a target 14 active
for 16. Games all right, so targets per
route. I mean, he might have been a
33%. You're really working this
backwards. Yeah, I'm going to say 3 just
for the fun of it. And you said 14 P Yeah, it was.
Six It was. Yeah, because you guys split it.
That's amazing. Double.
That's guess how. Many routes did he run?
Probably 6 like I'm. Probably 100% targets per outrun
dude. Yeah, he met only one.
So I think we can. I think we can push Rogers
around the turn. The running backs look kind of
decent here. There's McLaughlin, Algier,
Bedell, Gibson. Wide receiver looks pretty bad.
I get like 80. Mitchell is here if you want to
do the other. Down 80, Mitchell's very fun.
Yeah, Titan. Yeah, we do.
We definitely do. But man, I mean, Mitchell, this
is late. We could take Mitchell.
Yeah, why not? I mean, last week at the spot we
did Liget, we're trying to do the exact same team.
Might as well take another rookie.
He's going to bust. Another rookie who's going to
bust, bring him on down. But we had Dowdle last time, so
this is a more wide receiver heavy built.
It is just let's all just remember this moment right now
where every rookie is just pure promise.
Like it feels so good clicking 80 Mitchell right now.
In about a month you're going to or two months we're going to be
like, what the fuck were we thinking?
I was talking about that with Davis today, too.
I was like, weird, it's all downhill from here.
Like, this is the point we're back up.
Are we taking Rogers? I think that's.
Good, right, I think. So.
Yeah, and then we don't have to be forced into Watson.
Right. I mean, we still might want to
take Watson, to be honest. Yeah, Watson's ADP is higher and
he's probably a better pick, but we took Rush.
No, let's take Rodgers. I can't, I mean when that Jude,
I mean the Watson stuff was the fall back.
We, we need, we need Aaron Rodgers goaded on this team
with. Garrett, we do.
We do. We do.
It's true. They're they're close to my
projections, even though Watson gets a bunch of rushing value
and Rogers gets basically none because I I really naked it
coming off an Achilles 10 point difference.
Yeah, Pat on the on the projections.
If I looked at that a little after we're talking about it,
but I did I came out with Garrett Wilson 15 points out of
Jefferson's. So it wasn't just like a slight
difference. It was a meaningful and they're
close. I actually have Jefferson
catching more balls very close to targets.
Jefferson catching a little bit more balls because he's a little
lower 8 off, but like the TD difference, yards per target
difference, that's well, it's pretty close, but.
I can actually see the yards per target being pretty good for
Jefferson just with like the way Darnold plays like he he's going
to throw a lot of interceptions and, you know, make a lot of
mistakes. But I don't know that he's not
like, it's not like Wilson where he just like can't get the ball
to so. One of the things that I do at
the end is I take all the receivers I projected and I go
back to the quarterbacks history and I'm projecting Darnold for
7.1 yards per temp. The quarterbacks I'm I'm
projecting for the same efficiency.
Both him and McCarthy. Darnold's career, he beat 7.1
yards per tempt I think once and and anytime he's played big
snaps, he's been more like 6 like 1 yards per attempt, like a
full yard worse than that. So I'm already bumping him like
a yard per attempt. Like that's the stuff that I get
to when I, when I backfill the projection, I look at the
quarterback and I'm like, I'm already projecting Sam Darnold
to be way better than he than he probably is than.
He's ever been. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I his. Career is 6.7.
He's had some years at 6.1 and 6.2.
He's at early career. He was like 6.9.
Maybe he could get to like 7.5 in Minnesota.
Maybe I'm just too low on his efficiency, but yeah, I mean.
Yeah. I guess what I'm curious about
is where were you? What would you like, where would
you take Wilson if you're still because you're letting the
market kind of say, have their say on the Jefferson Wilson
debate, but when, when does the market stop having their say for
you? It depends on like how many
leagues you're in and all that kind of stuff.
Like one of the reasons I, I also do the rankings like this
for people who plan auctions. I get a lot of questions about
auctions throughout. And so it's like, yeah, I do it
to your based, which should help you with your auction pricing.
But in terms of like when you're on the clock and you need to
make a decision or you're on the the bidding, you know, in a
bidding war and you need to make a decision for a couple more
bucks on Jefferson or a couple more bucks on Wilson.
Like it's helpful to know that I actually had Wilson a little
yeah, a little bit higher. But as far as like redraft by
one league and all the money on it in the world.
I mean, like one of the other things is I, I like I also, you
know, play with Co managers and stuff, But I I would genuinely
take Wilson ahead of Jefferson. I think he has a better path to
because we're always shooting for upside.
We're always shooting to win a league, right?
Like we're always shooting to be 8.3%, even if it's a, you know,
only a 12 man standalone league. You you got to go from 8.3% to
100% when probability, right? Like you have to hit these
ceiling things. Yeah, 8.8, that's less than 10%.
It's hard. It's hard.
It's very hard. Yeah.
You have to, you have to really be willing to, to.
And and so like Jefferson to me definitely feels safer.
He's really, really good. I there's have a lot of concern
about Rogers overall, but I mean, I think Wilson is like
that talent, that same level of talent.
Like that's, I think we're going to look back on Wilson as being
that good, basically. But so are you.
You're taking Wilson over Aminra?
I would, yeah, because the way that his ceiling would hit is is
is a lot different because of the air yards element.
And then also, I do think Almond Raw has a little bit of risk to
his profile. I think that one's a lot easier
sell to me. Garrett Wilson.
I'm on Rod. The.
I think the market might be, or just people in general, myself
included, underestimating, like look where we're drafting
Gibson, Laporta and what those guys did as rookies.
And like, if those guys make an even bigger leap, if LaPorte is
a bigger part of the offense, if Gibbs is a bigger part of the
offense and Montgomery maintains his role, like you start to
squeeze some targets away from Amon raw.
If you have two other superstars, like in that
offense, you know, in the same way we're pricing down the
Texans wide receivers, the Bears wide receivers, because it's
like, hey, there's this target squeeze.
Like we're paying a very big premium on Amon on Amon raw.
And he might be the third best like talent in his offense.
That's yeah, he's got a way trickier thing for me.
I definitely think Wilson over him is easier to sell.
For sure. I do.
I am struggling with the Jefferson Wilson thing.
Like obviously a little bit back and forth, we're we're up.
Yeah, man, running back is just a shit show.
Troy Franklin, Luke McCaffrey, Corley here if we want to double
stack. Rogers are there no running
backs? We can.
We kind of. Kendre Miller I think we should
be taking Kendre Miller at this point.
I I really don't like this is behind Braylon Allen.
We we've enough of it as. Yeah, we can.
In my opinion, yeah, we can. We need some kind of running
back dart throw here. So we get done.
Yeah. I mean, it's it's.
It's yeah, fine with it. It's it's like Eli Mitchell,
Damian Pierce, Deonte Forbid, CEH Alexander Madison and then
the like buzzy camp rookies. So the other thing that we do
then you guys might hate this. I don't want to say it because
he just took, I think we go three tight end here, we can
take Juan Johnson here. This is way too cheap.
Johnson's still so cheap on FFPC right now, behind Kasiki and
Nokonkwa and all that. I like it.
Shawn told me in the BBT, based on all his research we've done,
a couple of them together, that even when you take elite tight
ends, you want to try to get four in this format.
That his work in the The Road of His Explorer shows that even
when you hit on elite tight ends, you still want late tight
ends because the way they can spike into your flex, I guess.
So I think the third tight in there was actually really good
structure. I think if Draco was here, he'd
be like, yeah, that was a good pick.
He would. He would know better than than
me though. I'm dying at this.
Get Jawar. Take a peek.
I I So the way this tournament works, we don't get to take a
peek with the Hall of Fame game and then toss the player.
Back. Into the player pool, Yeah, no,
yeah. If you guys you guys want to
hear us say take a peek toot into a a mini sod episode we
haven't even recorded yet where I'm sure this said we will say
take a peek. About 1000 times.
I've already said it in our group chat.
Probably 8. Oh man, amazing.
Poor Chris G, this is what you I thought Chris.
I thought drafting with these idiot streamers was plus EV.
What now bro? G just drafted Lad Mcconkey
whose quarterback is Easton Stick now.
So congratulations on that pick, Chris.
I, I do want to ask you guys about the Jefferson thing and,
and maybe I'm a little bit, I traded for him in like a home
league last year when he got hurt and was like, even if he,
when he comes back, he's going to be great.
And then Cousins gets hurt. And then I was playing him down
the stretch and with a bad quarterback last year.
He wasn't bad, but he was a different player.
There was somebody in the chat was like shooting for upside by
fading the greatest receiver, whoever lived what he was sort
of sarcastically saying my take that shooting for upside with
Garrett Wilson to fade Justin Jefferson was really silly
because Justin Jefferson's the greatest receiver to ever live.
That strikes me as hyperbole, but I do think Justin
Jefferson's the best receiver in the NFL right now.
But how much better are you guys, do you guys think he is
than the other toppers here? It's not that hard for me to
envision a world where we don't think Justin Jefferson's the
best receiver in the NFL next offseason, where we're like,
actually, he had a really tough year with shitty quarterbacks
and there's a lot of good receivers in the NFL.
Like, are we How? So my question to you guys is,
how confident are you that Justin Jefferson, is it that
much better than everyone else that he can elevate a shitty
situation? To me, my confidence isn't that
he's that much better than everyone else.
It's that he is truly an elite, that he is unquestionably an
elite wide receiver. He came in right away as a
rookie, was amazing. He's been amazing every single
season he's been out there. He had a battle through injuries
and not having Kirk Cousins last year, which was still awesome.
So you know, and he's in a good offense.
He's in an offense that's designed around him.
Outside of the quarterback play, there's just no red flags, and I
have a lot of optimism for Garrett Wilson as well.
But we're wrong about which receivers elevate to the level
that Jefferson has elevated to all the time.
And knowing that he is at that level, to me, is still extremely
valuable. He did have 192 yards in Week
18, which I I guess I didn't realize he had a couple a couple
bad games after he came back, but then he actually did wasn't
really bad with the bad quarterbacks.
I kind of made that sound like he was worse.
It's almost a little Devante Adams ish but younger, right
where it's just like Adam's got his, like he's just keeps
getting his or like how the hell is he getting his?
Still. But Adams had 175 targets and
wasn't that great last year. That's sort of what I'm worried
about. Yeah, although he's.
On He's a younger. More explosive version of of
Adams now, yeah. I do, I don't mind getting Car
as our third QB but I think we can push him around.
I I do like Corley for the double stack at this price.
Works for me. He's getting some some reps of
the one with Gibson out. OK.
We add Corley here. Do you guys?
Like, I mean, I don't think we've draft him all year because
we pretty much decided that he sucks and and Davis thought he
was going to be our our our clip guy.
Roll the clip. By the way, there is some
movement on that front. I know where.
Yeah. Consiglia earlier.
How much do I have to pay to pick the rookie mush you'll make
a clip for? We are starting to get in the
lab. There will be a clip coming at
some point, I I promise. Do you guys want Carr here or is
there something else you see? I I think Carr's good.
I think this team should have three quarterbacks, so.
I think he's what's our structure overall.
We probably would need another running back at some point.
We only have 4 back. Yeah, but we have four.
I think I at at this point, like so many of these running backs
are just all this team might have Jawar Jordan on it, I guess
is what I'm saying. Shout out Jawar Jordan.
So we got the three quarterbacks, Carr, Rogers,
Purdy. We got the three tight ends,
Johnson, McBride, Kittle, our wide receivers, Garrett Wilson,
IU, Keenan, Allen, Roshi, Rice, Rome.
Is it Gretch? You were correct.
Is it a Dunze or a doomsday set? It set the Runze a doomsday
Roma. Doomsday things.
I say it right. Jerry Judy, 80, Mitchell and
Malachi Corley. And then yeah, we're pretty thin
at running back. James Conner, Taje Spears, Zach
Charbonnet, Kendra Miller. We got 2 picks left.
The only people I've heard of Dunze from I think are our
buddies Sam Sherman and then and then Davis Maddock said it too.
You guys had a fun clip on on a Dunze on ADP chasing that made
the rounds. But it was miss misspoken by two
of the three members of ADP chasing the non PAT members.
And so I did. I did make a point to to
correct. In defensive Davis, Davis has so
many players incorrectly, you know, I, I do the Davis too.
You just, you just plow through. You just say it with confidence
and you just pretend like you're right and just hope enough
people don't, you know? Point it.
Remember a gooey boonum? It's like there's I I still
remember that one where I I asked you, you were like, well,
that's what Davis said. And Davis is definitely
confident. And I was like, OK, I took the
word for it. Like I was telling you what
everyone was like, oh quake banam, oh quake banam, oh quake.
But I'm like. I got owned on SiriusXM by
Kendall on that one because I said like, like Cui Boonum
really. And she worked in Denver sports
radio for a while before, so she knew it.
And she corrected me on air. I was like, Are you sure?
And I had to take the L hard on that one, that one.
That's why I'm not doing XM anymore.
I have a mental block with that one.
He's I've watched a video of him pronouncing his own name and I
still have not said it the way. But then I'm like then I say it
and people are like, you still have it.
So I don't know what's. It's honestly a relief that he's
not fantasy relevant anymore. You know I was.
Like, yeah, kind of visible relief, honestly.
Him and Orthega white side. I'm really glad that guy.
Orthega white side. Yeah, Pete could not have done
that. I give key credit there because
everyone just wanted to keep saying our Sega white side and
you just really leaned into the lisp and all of a sudden
everyone just started saying ourthega.
Yeah, yeah, I guess Levitan. There was some in Levitan.
I always mispronounced so much Dagon.
I just text. Shout out to the highlights man.
You watch the highlights happens, the announcers say the
names. You guys, you guys ever have
words that you mispronounce the I know on over on the ringer pod
Their their host has that Danny. I think it's that has that yeah,
yeah, that has that happen quite a bit.
My brother told me the other day that I've been saying ancillary
wrong for years. Really.
Yeah. So I've been saying an ancillary
and it's it's ancillary. I was.
Going to say you just said it right but.
Yeah, ancillary is. AI thought it was another
pronunciation. I was like, no, they're both
fresh. I thought they're both.
So I went and looked it up and it's like, no, no, you're just.
Not an aluminum. What did everybody say?
Aluminium. Aluminium instead of aluminum.
Aluminium. Aluminium.
Ancillary So I've been correcting myself repeatedly on
this like I, I, I want to. Say archetype so bad.
That's it. That's one.
As an industry, we need to. Archetype.
It's you hear archetype all the time, I know.
Oh, like like like. Reebs, Reebs says archetype.
Yeah. And I'm like, that's.
Right, that's not it. It's archetype.
I don't know. I don't think.
He's right. I I've never really like looked
into it but I just say. There's no vowel in the word in
there. It's just ARC.
Oh no, there is an E Yeah. No, it's archetype.
Yeah, dude, it's definitely archetype.
I feel, I feel. Good.
How do you say how do you say biopic or biopic I?
Don't even know if that works. Oh biopic.
Biopic is always strange to me because I'm like, it's a biopic.
Like what are we doing that's not?
Biographical Film. People say biopic.
Myopic is a word biopic. That's a biopic.
Way biopic. Myopic those are.
The. Those are the two things we're
working with here. Yeah.
If you, if you look up archetype, it says archetype.
It's a 3 syllable word. I'm listening to it.
I love that they can say it to you.
I think it was David. Someone recently said archetype.
Maybe it was Kyle, I can't remember.
I was like archetype we need. Yeah, Deneric.
Oh God, Jawar Jordan goes. What a snipe.
Deneric Prince. What?
What are you putting in? Yeah.
I put two other names. One of them is very gross.
I like I like the the first of the two names, not the very
first. One the first one, the the
second one is just like the last Hail Mary and I will reveal it
for a 999 super chat. Otherwise I'm keeping it to
myself. I put an even grosser one behind
it, but it might correlate in a different.
Way I do think Trey Sermon is good.
I think Trey Sermon's actually a real.
And we got, we got eighty. Yeah, let's do.
It he's like a lot of the number 2.
And also, Goodson apparently might lose the number three to
Evan Paul. What's what?
Karain took with his last. Pick Oh my God a.
Millionaire a millionaire birded his last pick on a bit Ronald.
Jones, this is $125.00 draft in a in a large field tournament.
Yeah, man. Use his 20th round pick on a bit
and I absolutely love you. Good pick running backs that run
99 yards to the fucking house are good picks in the 20th
round. It doesn't matter I think.
He was on. Tilt since.
I see what happened. So they started with Gibbs and
La Porta and then our guy SBY in the chat did a Jameson Williams
Jared Goffstack and sniped him on his his premium goffstack and
I think he just tilted it the rest of the way.
Where did Drake may go? Oh, he got Drake May all right.
He gets it. Of course, Pat Crane got Drake
May. Pat Crane gets it.
Versus. Versus.
By Jonathan. Versus yeah.
The Cowboys versus the Cowboys versus the Texans versus well.
That's what it's VI will say. Verse, yeah, you can say verse
to shorten it up. The pronunciation.
Cowboys versus Texans, if you're if it's if it's like Cowboys
versus Texans, you can say it like that.
But if you're like versus the Texans, the Cowboys comma that's
versus you can't be like verse the Texans, I guess you can
actually. Pete, you do gotta roll the
clip, man. I.
Mean you know, I was I was debating like if we wanted to do
it as the outro, but yes, we could we could roll the clip now
you you earned it with that clip.
Here you go see, we have a couple Rojo clips in here.
Do we get the extended version? Extended for I mean I.
Want to see? 24 and Rojo got drafted.
Give us as much Rojo clip as we can handle.
I think we only have a 17 second.
Joke's on us thinking there's more than 17 seconds of Ronald
Jones highlights. I just love that.
I love the way he bursts through, then the guy catches
him and then hits a wall somehow and can't catch him cuz Rojo has
slowed down considerably by the time that guy's at full speed.
But then I don't know what happens.
And then he. Can't he like, he like veered
right? And the guy's like, oh, I can't
run. Just dead straight anymore.
I'm done, right? Oh no.
Oh. Man yeah, we made people
worried. How about this?
We don't have to figure out who is the 2024 clip if you guys
just keep drafting the guys that we already have clips.
Yeah, we could have, you know, sky war if.
Someone would have taken David Bell in this in this draft.
Would have been great. I would have loved to see that
clip. I love.
I love the David Bell clip. All right, let's let's do a
recap of this team and then I do want to we can announce our
stream schedule and schedule for the rest of August because that
is pretty much all solidified now.
Let me go to the the rosters page.
This is kind of a cleaner way to view our team here. 3
quarterbacks Brock Rogers Derek Carr A skinny running back room
here of James Connor, Taje Spears, Zach Charbonnay, Kendra
Miller. God, I hope I pronounce all
these names right. Daeneric Prince and Trey Sermon.
Wide receivers Garrett Wilson, Brandon IU Keenan Alan, Rashi
Rice, Roma Dunze, Jerry Judy 80 Mitchell, Malachi Corley and our
three tight ends Trey McBride, George Kittle, Jawan Johnson.
Definitely a little thin at running back, but I.
Like this team? Yeah.
Yeah, I think maybe the AD
Mitchell picks probably should have been running back in
retrospect. I mean, maybe, but if Kendra
Miller can just get back to to some kind of relevance like it
would, it would it would look better if if Kendra Miller was
something other than feeling like a 0, right?
Now, now, when you say back to relevance, could you identify
the period of time which you're referring to?
If you can get back to feeling like a good 12th round pick, you
know then then. This build looks is that is that
when he was in college. We got stiped on Jawar.
I actually think for waiting until maybe this is me just with
like zero RB beer goggles on, but like, did Eric Tracerman in
this economy had those last two picks?
Like it feels incredible, brother.
Yeah, and I mean, like, you know, Zach Moss was good in the
system, went to Cincinnati and seems like is, you know, not,
you know, establishing himself over Chase Brown.
So what if Trey Sermon's good next to Anthony Richardson in
this well designed offense? You know, like it seems
possible. I love Dez's.
I need to get that. Zero RV Lasik.
Makes every. You put on the.
Glasses and James Carter looks like Bijan Robinson.
You're like. I mean, the way we were debating
James Conner versus wide receiver was like debating Dijon
versus Mon raw is kind of how we were debating whether we wanted
to do it. It's like a Snapchat filter for
for running backs. Yeah, it's.
Beautiful. Jack says 3 quarterbacks feels
unnecessary. I think the three quarterbacks
here is is pretty necessary. I think it's the extra wide
receiver that feels like it could be flipped.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I like Brock, but I
mean, to me this is clearly A3 running backfield.
Brock Rogers. Yeah.
Rogers is not going to be like Uber, Uber consistent because
it's, you know, it's going to be when he decides to throw for
three touchdowns from the two yard line, which is he's going
to, I guess he's going to try to do that all the time, but might
not work. I do think they play slow,
usually good defense. You guys are totally right that
we did. We probably didn't need the 8th
receiver because we went to the three tight ends as well
anticipating like it's 2 receiver slots, there's two
flexes, it's tight end premium. We have the, I mean we might
only be playing three receivers a lot of the weeks and we should
be only if McBride and Kill both hit our line up right.
Like it you're not actually getting to four receivers in
those scenarios. You don't have to get to 4
receivers every week. So I mean, seven is definitely
viable to stop at. We could have probably the other
running back there. I think so.
Yeah. Well we need one of Prince
Sermon or Kendre to to be a big time thing.
Or like that you guys always say it like if Kittles are tight
end, the Mcbrides are, you know, flex or extra wide receiver.
And it's like, OK, well now we have 9 receivers.
It's too many. True.
Yeah. That's a lot.
All right, we do have our schedule solidified here for the
rest of August. Do a little rundown here.
We are going to have main event Thursdays.
I know lots of you guys were wondering about the times and
stuff. We are going to be flexing back
to evenings for Thursdays the rest of August.
So next week, 9:00 PM Eastern, we got our first main event
draft with the stat chasing crew.
Of course, that is Draco and Sacre Religious.
We have the two spot for that draft.
We've already gotten the draft slots for a few of these.
The following Thursday will be another 9:00 PM Eastern with our
short king Davis Matic. I believe we have the ninth slot
for that one. The following Thursday is going
to be a 7:00 PM Eastern draft with Sean Siegel.
Again, I think we have the ninth slot for that one.
And then, of course, hotly anticipated another.
People asking about this on Twitter.
Everyone wondering crack rock, crack rock, crack rock yes,
Thursday August 29th, another 7:00 PM draft with crack rock
and then a special treat that Tuesday.
This is the Tuesday before the kickoff.
We're all heading to Vegas on on Thursday, but we're going to
squeeze in a 5K FFPC big payback draft with Leone.
Very much looking for forward to that.
And then we have our Vegas schedule here going to be
drafting with Steph on Thursday. We got the opening night watch
party at Planet Hollywood that night.
We're going to be doing a draft with Leonie another 5K.
And then I did post in the discord our Co manager form.
We do have a spot for a Vegas main event draft.
We also have a spot for a slow main event draft that we can do
over discord and a bunch of you already filled that out.
I also posted it on the community tab.
If you guys aren't discord people, but your members, you
can see it there. So fill that out.
I'm going to you know, touch base with these guys and we'll
get those solidified by early next week.
So you'll know either way. And then and the final thing,
Friday, September 6, we're going to have our ship chasing party.
That's going to be after the game.
There is that Friday night game. This year it was a lot of
pressure to try to find a good viewing set up for all the ship
chasers to watch together. We can still try to coordinate
more informally, but the the formal ship chasing party will
be at Blondie's in Planet Hollywood at 8:30 PM.
Guys, I'm stoked for August. Yeah.
Me too. It's upon us, the heart of draft
season. August and and early September,
right. The Vegas trip is right around
the corner. This is going to be a blast,
yeah. It, it's a, it seems like about
the perfect amount. We got a, a nice chunk of main
events, those 25 KS with Leonie, one that you know we'll do in
Vegas and the other that'll be live streamed in our, our Leonie
drafts, man, whenever we get together with Leonie, we draft a
awesome team. So I'm excited for that.
It's wild hell. Well, it works out because I
feel like as we're doing it, we're like, yeah, OK, fine.
And then the team's just the nuts.
What happened last year? Did we?
We had that brutal. We got second in the yeah, we
won the regular season, we got second in the playoff on the
like. We had a massive lead in in
weeks 15 and 16 and then like week 17 it it crumbled.
It was like a it was like a really, I think it was that
same, you know, that CMC touchdown Gretsch that we needed
to advance our Basketball Mania teams.
Yeah, I think that also cost us like $5000 in that loss because
we had CMC, right? I want to say we did.
Yeah, I can't remember. I can't remember the team with
Leoni last year for some reason. Yeah, it was another good one.
It had a uke and Brock, I think it was 49ers heavy.
OK, that's. Yeah, that's right.
Yep. So this is the schedule.
I should also mention ADP, Jason is going to be rolling.
I was talking to Sam. Those guys are going to do a
couple drafts as well that you guys I think are going to try to
get scheduled maybe some big dog drafts there for the ADP chasing
crew. That show will continue on
Mondays. I believe Levitan is the guest
coming up this Monday. So we're gonna have all kinds of
fun stuff. We'll wrap up our mini sode
episode and and yeah, the only thing we got to squeeze in guys
is a is a truth serum episode at.
Some. Yeah, we need the two.
What's that gonna? Be maybe we could do like, yeah,
we'll have to figure it. Out.
We can't do it with Siegel. He likes to do fun stuff.
After we make a pick, we have to make a truth serum claim about
the player every time. Yeah, Eagle on truth serum would
be pretty amazing. There's one guy we need to take
truth serum in the entire industry.
I think it's Siegel. That's right.
Yes. I don't know, I feel like he
already kind of gives us his. He's already.
He's already he. Needs to take bigger swigs, you
know. It is.
Tips and then just gives you a
little. You're both right.
I mean, obviously Pete's right then he does it already, but but
when I get a chance to talk to him before and after shows, I'm
stealing bananas sometimes, man. Like the stuff that he talks
about is it would, it would shock you beyond what is already
shocking in his rankings. It would shock you.
I love what I'm saying, man. There's there's more there.
There's more there there's. More.
There, it's like he gets shot on true serum.
He's like, I would take Trey Tucker over Devante Adams
straight up. Then you're like, I think he's
being real. Wait, do I believe that?
Bowers over Devante. I think he might.
That might be a real OH. I don't.
Even think that that's not even that doesn't even require truth
story. That's public knowledge.
It's public knowledge. What the heck is true serum?
It's where we say the things out loud that we deep down believe
but are too afraid to say out loud because there's probably a
lot of evidence and statistical stuff that would say.
We're wrong, angry people that we're going to have to deal with
if we say them. Yeah.
All right. Anything else from you guys?
What do you guys got going on leg up and stealing signals this
week? If you're in the the discord,
the leg up discord as a sidekick sub sub hop in.
We've got a beta going in the discord with details there on on
custom rankings. So if you want to want to test
out the custom rankings feature, hop on over in the leg up
discord. I've been grinding on this
article that it keeps getting pushed back, but I've I've
gotten a lot done on it. So soon I'm going to have an
article out on the running backs, the sweet spot of the
draft. Daniel Razz also working on an
article about that part of the draft.
So you can have those rolling out pretty soon here on on leg
up and yeah, best 4 rankings, dynasty rankings,
legendaryupside.com. Awesome.
What about you, Gretsch? I'm going to have my initial
pass of rankings out. It's going to be more, I think
redraft focused. So I was thinking about maybe
trying to get together and underdog that I just got to get
something out that I've been spending a lot of time with
those this week. But yeah, that's a custom
rankings tool. You could you could use the the
new ceiling signals, right? Put your IDs in them.
Make sure they have the underdog IDs it will require.
Garrett will said every pick in the first round.
Yeah, the sidekick might. The sidekick might temper the
there's an ADP part of it, So wait.
Wait, your ADP? So like when people import their
own ranks there still will be an ADP?
There still gonna be a bit of an ADP element.
That's great. Yeah, that's great.
Love that. Also, the offseason ceiling
signals post, going to continue rolling those out.
Going to do a lot more writing the next few days.
I have had a crazy week of streaming in the last few days
in an extra stream with Sean on the stealing signals YouTube on
Monday night. Tuesday night I did Kevin Cole,
I did Chris Harris, I did Davis today.
Lot of good stuff this week. Our typical stealing bananas,
typical ship chasing. Obviously here the show you're
literally watching. Yeah, a lot of good hot
appearance. Oh oh, that all started Monday
with the last two episodes of the ETR projection series.
Oh yeah. It's been like I've had like 8
shows in the last four days but I'm finally done.
I it's, it's funny because I saw multiple people.
I first saw our guy Sam Sherman message and then I saw other
people and I was like, I did the same thing that the the cardio
club runs while listening to your guys's projection series
have been just the best. Like that's the episode.
I actually didn't even do a draft when I was listening to it
because I wanted to be so focused.
But like I went on a long run and I knew that your pod at like
1.7515 or whatever was gonna cover my exact run distance and
it was, it was chef's kiss. Perfect.
I got that from a couple other people outside of your guys's
little interaction, too. It seems to be a very popular, a
very popular move, yeah. It's just fits well with it, the
kind of deep dive, but it's like structured going by the teams.
I enjoy it a lot. On my end.
This is my last show today. I did a randomizer at noon today
with Sigmund Bloom. It was a real treat.
If you want to circle back and catch that.
My only other show this week is Best Ball After Dark on Saturday
on my channel. John Boyd Beats, who does a
bunch of great data research, is going to be coming on.
He won the Slow Puppy last year as well and I think.
Yeah, let's ask everyone else. No one else is one, right?
Not you or you or you. Yeah, I mean, I just, I know my
grandma is just, he reminded us all.
But yeah, that's it for me. Otherwise, man, a week from
today in the evening, we'll be doing our first live main event
draft, which is going to be a ton of fun and just got the
schedule out. And yeah, we'll catch you guys
in the Discord for Pat, for Gretsch, for producer Nick.
We'll see you guys next time on ship, Jason.