Good morning ADP. Chasing is back.
It's August. Mike Show, Pat Kerain, Davis
Matic, Jacob Sanderson. Our heroes will talk.
Risers and fallers, movers and shakers.
Let's go. We'll keep this short.
Let's go. August 5th, 2025.
ADP chasing is for When you watch ship chasing, you go.
These guys are just football guys.
I. Have my 4% exposure blanket
actually. Back in, if it's Austin, it's.
Here to our crystal ball. close your eyes.
You know all your entries are going to lose anyway.
Yeah. That's fair.
You're not going to tell me all this way I was here.
It's anti cabal, it's anti the best ball thought leader.
I'm obviously lying to some degree because like I have a lot
of both of. These guys, it's the most
disgusting thing you can make, but man.
So intense on keeping the cold open short that I set it twice
like a tick in about 5 seconds. But I'm I'm tilted from last
week. I just wanted to get through it.
Worst possible scenario last week but we are back.
Pat how was the beach? The beach was good.
We we went out on a yacht on Sunday and we're out in the
water. We had like one of those little
kind of things, flotation device behind the the yacht.
And so we're just out we found a football looking coconut.
I don't know what it actually was.
It was some kind of some kind of thing wasn't a coconut, but it
was, you know, when we were throwing that it was like
literally it looked like a little nerf football because we
we bought a football and then the football got lost.
I lost my wallet getting out of the Uber to the to the hotel.
So I didn't have it the entire time.
Didn't matter, apparently don't even need a wallet anymore.
I got into every bar. I was able to use Apple Pay and
I got back onto my plane home without an ID.
So yeah, just in case you're. But apparently you don't need a
wallet anymore. Does that just mean apparently
you look old now? Oh yeah, it helps to be old.
Yeah, I would like being old for this advice.
I, I actually, I, I had that experience this weekend going
into the going into the gas. Station.
I feel like I might need a wallet.
You might need a wallet. You would need a wallet.
You wouldn't need a wallet. I normally, I normally still get
it just because I'm short, but I did, I did go into a gas station
to buy Zen's before golf this weekend.
And no, no ID necessary, which is you know.
I did. There was a couple, like a few
bars have the like we check everyone's ID, everyone.
But I was like, here's a picture of my passport.
And they're like, yeah, we know you're 21, OK.
I, I will, I will attempt to evoke Rotopat here when I say,
oh, and Pat had the best time ever on a beach in Miami and
Fort Lauderdale and they were on a yacht and he lost his wallet
and everything's fine. And then he's being sued by
Jacob Sanderson for not having the copyright, the, the rights
to that blanket expression, the exposure blanket.
They're coming for you, Pat. Yeah.
Well, the royalties off of that I think are coming in the form
of of ADP chasing disbursements. What are you in main event
teams? Oh, Speaking of which, I think
I'm allowed to mention August 18th we will be joined by Pete
Overzet or we will be joining him on ship chasing for our
first collab as a as an official team here, ADP chasing for a
main event draft at the FFPC August 18th.
Very excited about that. I like the idea of Pete joining
us. Yeah, that's proper.
Well, we're coming to the late night that we're we're flexing
that show to right. What time is it?
It's the evening. Seven or eight?
Yeah. So seven, I think, yeah.
It's hard to say, you know that that he's coming to us will
literally change the time of the show.
Yeah, Davis, are you already preparing for that body clock?
So I stayed up, you know, as my, this was the weekend of my home
league draft and I'm with all my buddies from high school and
college and stuff. And we stayed up until one O
clock in the morning watching Chiefs Super Bowl highlights.
We, we watched every, we watched every Chiefs Super Bowl, the
highlight reel, we watched the 13, we watched the whole fourth
quarter of the 13 seconds game. And we watched Travis Kelce's
top 50 career plays. And we were up until about 1:00
in the morning doing this just like 9 dudes just being like
dude wasn't Travis Kelce the best?
And the next Mort I I still am not fully recovered honestly
from that. But it was a 10 out of 10
experience. Did you include Super Bowl for?
No, only, only Mahomes. Only.
Only Mahomes. Wow, Mike was there for Super
Bowl. 4MM was there. I was not there.
The ball down the field. But here I am with the MVP of
that game. That is, that is very cool that
my man, my man is bringing the Super No just.
Don't know why I have that. Yeah, I want to.
I want to take a guess. I want to take a guess.
Is that Len Dawson? That's correct.
It. Was only Len Dawson.
If I had to like guess, OK Davis was up till 1:00 in the morning.
Why? Like watching Chiefs highlights
with buddies would be pretty high on #1.
Dawson, by the way, would leave practice everyday training camp
and then go do the 5:00 sports or the 6:00 sports in Kansas
City and then the next day go back to practice.
So he did that part time. He got into broadcasting when he
was still playing, which I I can respect that.
Jacob's in Winnipeg. I am in a very remote location
known as upstairs in my house. We're going to try this on for
size. After the recent debacle with
the Internet, we. Need to get you, we just need to
get you an Ethernet. That's all.
That's all we need. We just need to get you an
Ethernet. It it'll, it'll fix all the
issues. I just want to address one
thing, Rusty said. Did you move my Mahomes down in
your rankings after watching what he used to be?
Of course not. Although he'd have a very, very
visceral experience watching like 25 year old Travis Kelsey
catch the ball and just like gallop down the field, just like
shrugging safeties off and it and then watching what he is.
It was just like, that is not what he looks like anymore.
It is a very different experience watching 34 year old
Travis Kelsey versus what 25 year old Travis Kelsey was.
That was crazy. Well, Davis, congratulations,
you made the first slide little bit.
Chiefs adjacent beating the allegations, 2 guys working hard
to avoid working at State Farm. Davis and Damien Pierce, who was
off the PUP list last week besmirched with the State Farm
allegation and I don't know, interested at all.
No, no, I, I I couldn't be less interested.
I, I think the, this is, I'm, I'm actually curious, Karine and
Jacob's take on this, 'cause I wonder if one of them will agree
with me. There's this undercurrent of,
well, if Nixon is not ready, they're for sure bringing in a
veteran player, right? I wonder if they know, like they
knew that Mixon is relatively cooked and that was what the
Chubb signing was about to begin with, that the bringing the
veteran in has already occurred and that was signing Chubb to
the what like 2 and a half million dollars guaranteed up to
$5,000,000 in incentives deal. Like I I think that I think that
already happened. I definitely think that it was
somewhat related to this injury from Mixon.
I I don't know if they're, you know, like do they have the the
exact timeline dialed in of when he's going to be back?
But I do think it was probably to help with that the risk that
he does miss time. The problem is that Chubb, I
mean, this is training camp. This is like when there's puff
pieces, literal full length features about guys who like
will never play in the NFL and where they came from and like
how hard they've worked. And it's all positivity, right?
And then the coaches are like, like you can literally pull up
right now. You can go find like Jalen
Rhaegar hype. Like, it's it's crazy.
Like every single veteran who's out there working.
It's it's Oh my God, I can't believe how much they've
improved the Texans. Like D'amico Ryan's is just
openly like, yeah, kind of sucks.
Chubb is washed like it's wish really wish this dude could
move. Wish he.
Could move. Yeah, it's like openly saying
he's washed. It's like this doesn't happen so
I don't. Know.
It it is actually stunning, yeah.
And the B writers are are not like there's no difference like
I I forget who it was, so apologies.
It was Texans Wire yesterday. Well, they would have been
aggregating anyway, but yeah, some some person who who tweeted
it was basically just like Nick Chubb has no ability to get to
the second level or the third level.
That's right. Their running game was dead last
year without Mixon and it will be dead this year again without
Mixon is essentially the the report.
I I think that the chub was maybe it was 1/2 measure like I
mean, last year we saw when Mixon did go out and I remember
like writing this on a week to week.
They they tried Pierce initially is the backup, I think, and he
did nothing that they wanted. So then they tried acres and he
did nothing that they wanted and they ended up basically just
using dare Goomba Wale as like the pseudo backup running back
plus pass catcher and throwing more.
And that might be what they get stuck doing again with woody
marks. It's it's bleak.
I I think that they already needed to address a backup for
mixing regardless. I just don't know why they did
the woody marks thing in the draft.
Why didn't they just draft an actual backup running back who
can also catch? That I know.
I know why they. Did like they could have just
drafted DJ Giddens. DJ Giddens, man, come on.
Again. They just want a really good
pass catching running back and for like Marks is like the worst
in between the tackles, runner and the class.
But Marks is like a pretty good pass catching back.
I don't even know that he's that good at that.
No, he's actually, he's actually terrible, but I'm just trying to
sugarcoat the fact that I'm like taking Woody marks all the time
now. He's a good path catcher in that
he is good at catching the pass the ball, but like all of the
issues that make him a terrible runner immediately show up after
he's caught the ball. Once he has the ball in his.
Hands do anything with. It right, he's fast.
He's definitely fast, but like he's got, he's just a, he's
like, I'm going to run as fast as I can.
And the second someone comes near me, I'm going to be like,
well. All right, guys, you don't move
her. Do the math.
On this hear hear me out quickly first, I think the math leaves a
little window open for Pierce. All these other negatives about
everybody else last week at this time, we're talking about the
same backfield and it was Devin Singletary scataboos hurt.
That's that's not happening. There's no obvious ET NS in the
division. There's no obvious move,
including that they already traded next year's third to get
marks. So they've made the trade
already too. They could, you know, scour
waivers in three weeks and maybe they get lucky there, but that's
not a plan. So if we if we hate everybody
else, then Pierce, who is somebody that we, I, I don't
want to say all of us, but was likable as a prospect and has
been there is not necessarily dead.
So Pierce, if you really, really want to squint, Damien Pierce
was very good as well. He was pretty good as a rookie
in in a gap scheme rushing attack.
They do the zone switch to whatever his name is.
PFF. Bobby Fit gets replaced for
singletary. Never has a chance.
Last year still at Juice he had a cute return touchdown look.
Look like he could still play. They bring in Nick Kaylee.
Kaylee comes from originally the Patriots who had a very gap
heavy scheme, then goes to the Rams last year, works with
McVeigh as they try to convert for more of a zone base attack
to a gap based scheme. They're going to be doing a lot
more gap based rushing this year.
Maybe Pierce gets reinvigorated. I don't think so.
I think Jimiko Ryan's just kind of decided he sucks.
But that's. That's that's what it is.
Once your coach has made-up your mind, it's so hard to get back.
Although the point about the gap scheme versus the zone scheme I
think is a good one. But my read of the situation is
I think they know their offensive line is terrible and
they didn't they, I mean, the reason why they fired PFF Bobby
was they were like sick of the run run pass stuff.
So I think they are probably going to tilt more pass heavy.
And if you're going to tilt more pass heavy, you want to have a
running back who can catch passes, which Damien Pierce
didn't do at Florida, didn't do even in his good fantasy
football season. I'm taking Woody Marks and just
accepting the truism that we are bad at evaluating talent and we
get these things wrong all the time.
And just maybe Woody just didn't have enough carries.
Maybe he didn't have access. Maybe he was that in the weight
room, you know, maybe maybe getting some NFL conditioning,
NFL diet, NFL training. Maybe they've got him doing
plyometrics. Maybe, like maybe he's bigger,
maybe he's stronger. Davis.
Yes. Couldn't they be Dallas and
throw the ball a million times if their line holds up?
I mean, they've, they've won that division two years in a
row. No, that, that is what they are
doing. That is what they are doing.
I I think your projection like I don't hear what, what what's
your guys favorite projection source?
I'll, I'll pull up. I'll pull up.
Mike Clay. They're all in the room.
I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna guess so.
Clay has 568 pass attempts for them and 391 rushes OR4442.
I'm gonna guess that's off by a factor of 10% both ways, that
he's low on the past attempts and high on the rushing
attempts. I'm gonna guess it's closer
TO60625 pass attempts and that there is very little.
I I would say this really low chance anyone on this team gets
200 rushes, whether it be Mixon, whether it be Chubb, whether it
be March, whether it be Pierce, whomever.
I'm I'm going to guess that really doesn't happen.
I think the way you're laying it out is, is definitely possible
and, and probably becomes the, I mean, first of all, I think
maybe like the numbers are probably like a little high that
you just did. But like the, the idea is like,
yeah, if Mixon is out, if, if Mixon is out, then I think
they're kind of. That's I'm I'm operating with
Niko at all. Or any of the other Texans?
Like are you prioritizing them anymore?
I'm I moved up Noel. I've already been.
I already. Had them.
I'm pretty cool. I have Niko all the way.
Up to seven because I I moved Puka down one with the Stafford
the concerns. So I I have Nico all the way up
to 7 now. Head of neighbors.
Way overweight on him. I had to go.
Ahead of neighbors for a bit. Nico is the one who obviously
just like has because his projection is already so high.
An extra 30 passing attempts for the team really shouldn't move
him that much. The the guys who have something
to gain are Jaden Higgins, Christian Kirk, Dalton Schultz
and Jalen Knoll. Hard, hard for me to draft more
Jaden Higgins than I already. Yeah, I'm drafting plenty of
plenty of those guys. Before we get into risers and
fallers, you should look at some of the Week One of the preseason
depth charts we've got, yes. Before we move on, how are you
guys handling Mixon now 'cause he's he's in spots where like I
will have one running back and I'm in around like pick 100.
And so I've got like an elite tight end, elite quarterback,
receivers deep, everything's good.
I'm like if Mixon plays, you know, like if he's if this
injury kind of doesn't, you know, turn him into absolute
dust, which is very well good. But what if it doesn't, you
know, on those types of builds? He's like at least in the mix
there. But where are you guys?
Where are you guys at on him? I take it on a little bit from
where I was last week. I was.
My initial reaction was you're a massive coward if you don't take
Joe Mixon ahead of Brian Robinson.
Which I guess. I still kind of believe because
I I just don't take Brian Robinson anyway.
But I don't know the the the drip, drip, drip of news and the
lack of news recently in the lack of anything from mixing or
the team refuting any of these bearish reports is just very
odd. And the sequencing is very
strange where you get the Chubs, you get the OR you get the marks
draft pick, which was really weird at the time, how much they
paid for a prospect that seemed not that good and largely
indistinguishable from several others.
And then you get the Chubs signing shortly after, which was
a little bit out of nowhere. And then you get this mixing
injury and you get the fact that it's on NFI and not pop, which
seems suspicious, right? You get this talk that it was,
you know, something that happened this year related to
previous injuries, but they don't say exactly what happened.
I I I'm just getting continually more sketched.
So I I'll still take him in in Yeah, I kind of what you said
like the one tens one 20s, but it's it's getting a little on
the sketchy side. Nice transition, potentially, as
I'm just seeing 2 minutes ago on Twitter, the Texans contribution
to the unofficial depth chart landscape.
It goes Chubb, Pierce, A Goomba, Wale, Marks, Jawan Jordan, JJ
Taylor, British Brooks. So the Nixon's not on there
official. He's not on there as he is on
Pop. He's on NFI.
Yeah, yeah, but they could. NFI included him on the depth
chart, can't they? Could.
Judkins is not on the Cleveland. It's unofficial.
Well, Judkins is not on the Cleveland Browns.
Judkins. Is not on the Browns.
And I 13 of Judkins one, one thing I wanted to make very
clear, I think that I didn't say this when we talked about his
legal situation last. You can't be on exempt if you
don't have a contract. So the delay in putting him on
exempt is is directly related or or might be probably is directly
related to him not having a contract.
He's literally not an employee. By the chiefs, right?
Because the exempt list essentially paid leave.
You can't be on paid leave if you're not an employee.
So like when the stuff happened with Hunt, he was cut by the
Chiefs sign with the Browns, put an exempt list the next day.
My guess is the Browns know he's going to go on exempt and that's
why they're like, yeah, don't even worry about this contract
situation, buddy. Like we're not going to sign a
contract just for you to go on paid leave the next day.
So the extent to which Judkins is a Brown is that he cannot
play for other teams. Correct.
Yep. All right at.
What point would they like lose the rights to him?
You've got to sign him at some point.
A year. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure there is a deadline because it somebody brought it
up with. Stewart.
Right, goes back to college or a
year goes by. Not sure.
Ravis Hunter. Come on, Jacob, take it.
Take it for a spin. RRR yeah, we, you know, great
day to be posting on the Internet, seeing a travel Hunter
was listed as a reserve corner and a wide receiver 1.
You know, of course it was the opposite.
I would have said the depth charts were entirely
meaningless, but it supports my 36% bags, so I think that
they're very meaningful. More meaningful though, was was
it overnight or early this morning?
We get the Rich Eisen Show clip. From.
Saying, can you put a number on what Travis Hunter is going to
play? He says, well, we're going to
have 65 to 75 snaps in a game. Let's say he plays 80% of those
and will try to match up to a similar amount on defense.
Yeah, I mean that that's music to my ears as a person saying I
think he's going to be playing basically full time both ways.
It would nothing more than to see him play 80% of the snaps on
offense. Yeah, Jerko shared that this
morning and my reaction was he's literally saying your dream is
our plan. Yeah.
What is more bullish than that? I mean, the yeah, it's been,
it's been a nice round of news. I mean, if you guys are
following like, what's lost so much in the sauce of the like,
is he going to play cornerbacks? He's going to play receiver.
Twitter wars. I mean, if you guys just follow
the Jaguars beat reporters like what is universal is that on
both sides of the ball, he could not be drawing more rave
reviews. Like he he seems to be quite an
unbelievable football player, which just surprised no one, but
he's good. He is very, he is very good.
It's no surprise, although I maintain that it's a, it's a,
it's a what is the right, it's not the the optimal way to
behave to only care about the depth charts when they align
with you. Like I didn't say like I don't
care about Travis Hunter being this on the on the depth chart,
the same way I don't care about Jack Bash being listed as a, as
a reserve. Like these are the these are the
things that handle themselves on the on the football field, or I
don't care about Burchard Smith being the running back forward.
Like we've had many anecdotes of this.
Austin Eckler was the most recent one we're on because he
does that Yahoo fantasy football podcast with Matt Harmon and
he's like, dude, the coaches don't even care about this.
It it is literally what people on Twitter say it is.
It is literally some marketing. In turn, it's it's Hayden Winks
when he works for the Chargers. Just like slopping something
together for the blind seals to. No, that's an Arafat.
That's definitely true. But and you're not saying
different when the this always skews against rookies.
Woody Marks. We just did always coaches want
to pump up their veterans. You guys already talked about,
you know what they say about everybody, Chubb being the
exception, I guess. But the coach on Hunter flies so
directly in the face of that talking, talking him up like
he's unstoppable. And so that should probably
carry more weight than when it's when it's a veteran talked about
that way a lot more. Yeah, to be clear, I don't care
at all about the depth chart. I mean, it's just it's kind of
fun and interesting that they did that.
You know, like it's definitely cool.
But like, I'm not looking to be like, I need to bump up Travis
Hunter now because he was listed on the depth chart as as both
positions. That more makes me kind of just
like like this Jaguar staff. And I think that's kind of fun.
But when when Liam Cohen is saying like, we're going to play
him, we're going to try to play him 80% of the offensive snaps
and then also get him out there for like 80% of the defensive
snaps. That's that matters to me.
And I mean, he it's not all he said they want.
They asked him about his ability to play both sides.
He said it's absolutely happening.
He's taking massive stride specifically at the receiver
position of truly playing and how to run each route, how to
attack, leverage. His ball skills and body control
are extremely natural, extremely natural.
You can't coach that. He makes you miss.
He can do something with the ball.
So there's like, and he said, I do think it's possible he could
win offensive and defensive rookie of the year.
Like they're not fucking around. They really are going to play
them on both sides of the ball and they're psyched about it.
They think it's going to work extremely well.
So there's risk that there was risk.
And I guess still like a tiny bit that there that this is all
kind of them talking up their second overall pick and that
they're, you know, when push comes to shove, they're going to
kind of pick a week and he'll play the, you know, the he'll
primarily play on one side ball that week or whatever.
But we're we're trending toward, no, he's seriously going to play
both ways. And they almost seem more, it
seems more important to A to a certain degree that he's out
there on offense. So yeah, I mean, I think it just
changed. When you have a coach saying
this type of stuff, it changes. It changes a little bit.
You know what I expect to happen in in a very positive way.
So the depth chart thing doesn't matter so much but but this
coach speak I think does. Well, and also you read the, you
know the I think it was like the Dan Graziano, we went to all
these training camps. Here are thoughts piece.
One thing that they mentioned, which is they they gave $20
million guaranteed on a 3 by 10 contract to Jordan Lewis to be
their cornerback too this year, which I mean, they gave what was
it 10 million guaranteed to Diami Brown in a one year.
So they're playing Jordan Lewis this year.
They they gave him a considerable amount of money as
a cornerback in the offseason. They they obviously Tyson
Campbell who's a stud. So there is a little bit more of
a crunch. Yeah, defensive back, whereas a
wide receiver, it's basically wide open after Brian Thomas.
I mean, this is part of been the bull case the whole way along.
It's like if Travis Hunter doesn't play wide receiver, then
their wide receivers suck and they jettisoned Kirk and Ingram
for nothing, right? Like you.
So I think that there is more of an immediate need for him to
play on offense. That seemed to be the view from
from the reporting. And yeah, it's really, it's
really quite exciting. I'm curious to see if he
actually starts moving back up or if it's just going to stop
the slide. But it seemed like people
reacted a lot to the 80% comment.
Just I think people like numbers and that gave them a number.
Some people got excited by that. So that was that was I think big
for him. It's such a good number.
It's such a good number, yeah. It's such a good number.
Anything on Brian Thomas from this?
I mean that late 1st early 2nd is so rich.
I was in a 350 night before last and he went at two O 7.
That's tight end premium, of course, if you forgot.
I I don't think it has a huge impact on Brian Thomas.
I mean he's going to be the the number one this year and he's
awesome. So like they, you know, there's
so many targets that became available and they got rid of
Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram. You think about like what if
Travis Hunter was only playing defense?
Like I have some concerns about like at the target share is
going to be awesome, but I have some concerns about like how
effective this passing offense is going to be week to week.
So I kind of feel like it kind of because he's not going to be
out there 100% of snaps and because he's also learning
defense at a given week, there's very little chance that Brian
Thomas isn't like the number one guy when they're designing the
game plans. So I think it's a little less
threatening than it might otherwise be given a a player of
of Hunter's talent level. I agree with that.
I mean, it's not, it's not changing how I would view Brian
Thomas Junior, but I think that there's certain like, I don't
know, what would you say a 5 to 11% chance that Travis Hunter is
better than Brian Thomas Junior? Yeah.
I mean, I think it could be higher than that.
Yeah, I'd say like 20, like 20%. Yeah, but I, I think it doesn't.
I I just don't think it matters that much.
Like if if Travis Hunter is as good as Brian Thomas then they
have two. 2 alphas. Top ten wide receivers in the
National Football League and that's like, and you look at who
else is on the team again, like Yami Brown.
If Travis Hunter is that good and plays that many snaps, we
already know how good BTJ is like then in that case I suspect
Diami Brown will be doing like a DeMarcus Robinson impersonation
and having like a nine. No, dude, be careful.
The Diami, the Diami Brown people, they'll come for you.
They really like this guy with 800 career yards.
Yeah, like it's just it's so easy to imagine in that world in
which like Diami Brown has a 9% targets for outrun and Parker
Washington has an 11% targets per outrun and Bretton Strange
is a 12% targets per outrun. Like if they need to make room
to get 55% of the targets to Brian Thomas and Travis Hunter,
there are enough crappy players running routes on this team they
can make plenty of room to make that a reality.
Yeah, I mean, Cohen comes from the Rams and then the Bucks and
it's like these are these are some of our concentrated
offenses kings like you know that I'm not I'm not super
worried about him designing a bunch of plays for Parker WA or
whatever. Like they're they're going to
get the balls to their playmakers.
Not to be so AFC Southcentric and we're not even to Jacobs
Colts yet, but anything new on their backfield from what we're
hearing. I mean, Davis, you and I bumped
Bigsby way up in our best ball draft.
Did the same thing in the big Gorilla.
Bigsby right now seems pretty clear, like the week one number
one guy to me. I think we have initial clarity
on the Week 1 roll, which is it sounds like Bigsby is the lead
runner. ETN is going to play some on
early downs. They're going to try to use them
on screens, they're going to try to use them on some outside
runs. He's going to play third downs.
They see Alan as an eventual third down back and Tootin I
think will be probably playing very little, if at all early in
the season. But he's had to deal with some
injuries because he's played well.
I think your your long term that for Tooten for the late season
breakout is still alive, but I've moved him down a lot
because the hope, I mean part of the hope was he would just come
in, have a great camp, could potentially be the week one guy.
I think that's kind of off the table, but I'm still very
excited about the late season upside.
Still love, still love tooten. I am wondering if Tooten is more
at risk of losing his initial roster spot to Laquint Allen and
being reverted to the practice squad or or a healthy scratch
because go ahead. He's at no risk of of being
waved, I don't think because. Then no, no, not, not of being.
No but but to put up but to put him on the practice squad, he
would have to clear waivers. He'd be exposed.
Grab them they're they're not going to do that, but they he
could be a healthy and active for yes, that's possible.
Yeah, because Laquint is obviously not as good is by
shell Tooten, but is I mean he's basically the best passing down
back. Laquint Allen should have been
the the Houston Texans. I'd be I'd be drafting Laquint
Allen in the eighth round right now on.
The Houston Texans. Laquint Allen is is kind of,
he's in that Dario Gumbawale mold where he's a bigger back.
He's like the Charles Simms or the OR the Buck Allen, like the
Rashad White type of. Smosh P Ryan.
Smosh P Ryan, like a bit of a bigger guy, but he, you know, is
really good as a pass protector and pass catcher.
And then maybe he's got a little juice like I, I, I don't know if
he does as a runner, but he might.
I I think. The most likely thing is
probably that Laquint is there for when they just decide to
mothball ETN. Or trade ETN.
I think like like trading ETN if they if they really think they
have like a pass protection back in or, you know, just a just a
solid third down back as already as a rookie and Laquint Allen,
then why is ETN there? You've got everything else
covered. Like you really don't need.
You've got the you've got we can definitely throw the ball to
Tooting and he can make plays. We got another guy we can trust
on 3rd down and we've got our our early down hammer.
Like every one of these guys does something better than ETN.
Why don't we just move on? Yeah, maybe that.
Maybe the Texans would be the way to do that.
ETN makes so much sense and all and long has as a trade
candidate. It's just off to find a landing
spot for him. Maybe the Bills are a new
consideration for that, given what's happened here in the last
few days with James Cook. But is it actually bearish if
they trade him to the Texans since teams don't really trade
people interdivisionally? Maybe.
If they willing to do that, it just means like they're like,
we'll take anything for this guy.
Yeah, the the concept by the way, that.
They traded Travis Etienne. I I don't think, I don't think
he cares, man. I don't think, I don't think he
cares. He wants to win games.
He doesn't care that much about about ETN.
Like Quinn, Allen is is the first rookie I heard Davis talk
up this year. He drafted him in last call in
March. You know there's love for the
Syracuse guy, Allen. He he led he led college
football, all running backs in receptions, receiving yards, and
he had like a 98.2 PFF pass blocking grade.
Pretty good. Pretty good risers.
What do you say? Let's run down that list.
Take Bigsby at the top. Woody Marks, AFC S, AFC S Jacory
Croskey, Merritt. Big move.
Did none of us pick JCM in last call?
I have him. He's been.
He's been picked, someone's got him.
He's got OK, I'm I'm I'm happy to hear that someone.
Got him, someone already had him.
I picked him in April, Anthony Richardson, Roshi Rice, Nick
Chubb, Chase Brown, Mark Andrews on the likely news and Taj
Brooks with Zach Moss being released in Cincinnati.
Pat, how bullish can we be on cross key merit?
Like is week 110 touches in week 1?
Is that out of the question? How high are you willing to bet
on him? I don't think that's that's not
the play with with JCM. The play is he is, he goes
through Brian Robinson and just takes that job over the course
of the entire season. The the way he's being talked
about, it's like this guy, his ability to kind of make cuts.
He's doing these jump cuts in the hole.
He's like, you know, he's fast, he's getting downhill.
He's not so much I think a threat to Eckler in the sense
that he like kind of mixes in and and, you know, catches a
couple balls or whatever and kind of plays like the secondary
running back role. I think that they're going to at
times throughout the early part of the season, throw him in
there as a runner and see if what they saw on campus
translating and then he wins by being their lead runner down the
stretch that he he's just providing way more juice than
Brian Robinson and kind of takes that early down roll.
And you know, maybe he's maybe he's awesome.
So it's more it's it's kind of a traditional back weighted rookie
play. I would say I I would be pretty
surprised if he like has a a big role in any part of the early
season. You know, I think on their
unofficial depth chart, he was listed like fifth or something.
And and Dan Quinn might be doing the hardo like the work he's got
to earn it stuff, but he's having this incredible camp.
And he was such a like I was Ben Cummins tagged me because we
were in a draft together and I had taken JCM and he he surfaced
a tweet where he asked me or it's on discourse.
He asked me about him. And I was like, yeah, I don't
know, like I think he's going to go in the sixth or seventh
round. I'm not not that into him.
By the way, he was a seventh round pick.
So I was I was right about that. But then he goes, he has this
incredible camp and he he had this super weird prospect
profile where he didn't get to play in his final season because
the NCAA totally screwed him over because someone else played
games in his number and they said that the number had played
too many games. Crazy, crazy.
So stupid. What a story.
But I mean, with the guy who didn't get a chance to play his
final season, obviously like the error bars are going to be a lot
wider in terms of trying to figure out how good he actually
is. So I'm very open to the idea
that that we just all kind of missed on this guy being an
awesome runner and now it's happening.
I do think though, that it's seventh round rookie.
We just we just kind of need to keep our expectations in check
for the early part of the season.
Yeah, I mean, he, he didn't pop a ton for me, but I can say that
like a lot of the film people that I chat with, really, really
loved this guy. So he was, certainly.
On my way, Mike Brenner had him top one. 100 I was going to say
and and I think. Sam Monson.
Trevor Sikma had him up pretty high too.
Sam had him as a top 10 running back before the draft, too.
Yeah. So he had a lot of fans that
that are are are viable. So yeah, I think he did the
Shrine Bowl. He he popped at the Shrine Bowl
too. People were excited about him
there. Yeah.
So I think it's legitimately interesting.
I mean, it's not that at this point, this backfield now, I
don't think it's going to be as valuable as a backfield, but I
think it is actually pretty similar to the one we just
talked about. Brian Robinson is kind of the
pink bigsby. Austin Eckeler is kind of the
Travis ETN and Jacory Crossby. Merrick is now kind of the vital
tooton. I think the the roles are kind
of similar. The the bat is kind of similar.
Obviously I like Tooton a lot more as a prospect was drafted a
lot higher, but Merritt's, you know, done a lot more in camp so
far. So it's it's, yeah, I think that
there's there's similarities between them.
Comment here about biggest advice you know, from the
manifesto and stuff was to avoid zeros.
Seems like JCM is a high 0 risk candidate.
I've been, you know, kind of on, I'm not trying to take on zeros
stuff as well, like, you know, because because of that, that,
that finding. But you're, I think at this
point meaning to switch the way you're thinking about stuff a
little bit. And now we're getting to the
point, especially in a contest like BBN.
At we're at the point of the year where you need to start
being more aggressive when you get the news because you can't
say things like, oh, I'm going to take a third quarterback here
in June and I'm comfortable to buy Player X in the 14th round
if I have to. You're, you're here.
We're there. We we're at the point of the
year. Well, you're also you're at a
disadvantage to the teams that drafted early and got the nuts
in terms of the guys who's who've risen up right?
Like, and and a lot of those risers are not going to be, you
know, guys in the 18th that are going to the 15th.
A lot of them are going to be like when you could get, you
could like take a bunch of receivers and then get DeAndre
Swift to pick 100 or whatever, like and now he goes in the 6th.
So those builds aren't available.
So there's there's things that like if some of these guys hit,
they're going in the 6th and 7th and they used to be going in the
10th and 11th, you know, those early teams are really going to
capitalize on on that and you're you're at a disadvantage there.
But the one thing that you can absolutely crush them on is if
there's a dude that just wasn't really drafted in the early part
of the tournament and he goes nuts in week 15 or 16, it'll be
a lot easier for you to advance. You're going to have that guy.
No one else in your well, may not no one else, but not a lot
of people in your pot are even going to have them.
And I think that makes it really worth taking on a little bit of
risk. The other thing is I don't think
JCM is really a zero risk at this point.
Like he, he's not going to get cut.
Like he, he, there's no way he clears waivers.
He's literally been the talk of a, of a camp.
You know, the Texans would probably, they might, they might
be willing to trade 1/6 for him at this point, You know, so I,
I'm not going to get cut. So I think you, you don't have
to worry about that. And then, yeah, every, every
rookie comes with some, some zero risk.
And we don't know how good they are, but I, I feel pretty
confident that he's good enough to, to kind of mix in throughout
the year at the very least, you know, and especially down the
stretch. So yeah, maybe he doesn't become
what we're dreaming he can become, but this, these are the
types of profiles that we want to be chasing up because you,
you get that ability to, to show up to a pod and you're one of
two teams that has this guy. That's a huge advantage.
So 14th round, even 15th round, I mean, if this is that time of
year, why wait? I take.
I take him in the 15th. Yeah, I, I moved him, I think up
to 168 or something like that in my rankings.
OK, I got to get him higher. We raised him again this
morning. Because it's just like also I've
there's just kind of this last night.
But I'm going to raise them again right now.
There's this phenomenon happening in rankings where
there's so many guys who we've held priors about or, or just
like, oh, this guy's just been going here since May and there's
nothing neither, I don't know, like Adam Thielen has just been
like the wide receiver 70 since January basically.
And it's like, you know what Adam Thielen is like actually
getting a little bit of negative pressure from Renfro and, and
it's just like a 35 year old wife, Like I can just start to
change my priors. I don't have to just take this
guy because he's been going there.
That not that I hate a lot. That was just an example.
I have just a lot of wide receivers in my rankings that's
like Adam Thielen, Michael Wilson, Darius Slayton, Diami
Brown, Alec Pierce, Jaylen McMillan, Wandell Robinson.
And it's like behind that is where I've kind of had like the
fun speculative. I've just got to.
I've just got to start pushing all of these fun.
People, the fun speculatives move up on good news now.
Like that's the Richard Smith. I've, I've moved up some, but I
mean I'm taking JCM over over Smith now, yeah.
For sure, for sure. Because what, what we're
thinking like before you're like, Hey, what if this guy wins
me a week like that third quarterback, like the, you know,
the Aaron Rodgers third quarterback, things like, well,
you know, maybe he's, maybe he randomly spikes for a week or
you know, Diami Brown, like Michael Wilson, These guys could
catch a touchdown the right week.
But what, what a guy like JCM or, or Smith or, you know, some
of these other backs who are, who are starting to make noise.
They could just like be the guy you need.
Like they, they the correct answer in it pretty much past
the 12th round was I hope you took this guy because he was, he
was the chyron, you know, so a chyron is a pretty big hit.
We probably don't get a chyron, but like, you know, we we do
pretty regularly get someone who is clearly the late round guy
that that you need more more maybe like a last year chuba
type of mold or last year Jordan Mason even obviously a Bucky.
Those are those are the better comps.
Those are the. Better those are the more
realistic comps, like a Jordan Mason type of thing.
But hey, like that was awesome if you had Jordan Mason last
year, that's really helpful, so. If only for me.
Chris Rodriguez had accomplished this a year ago in that same in
that same backfield all. Right.
I just moved up to 166 by the way, for the people.
Davis, is there anything on Rice that's worth acting on?
I mean, what are we just doing here?
Assuming no, no suspension news yet.
So. It's just it's, yeah, I mean, I
think it is. I wonder if it is maybe just
people signing up or drafting their first teams and not
realizing that Rice is going to be suspended.
There has not been a dip. I mean, really, from the
beginning of camp and the news right before camp started, it's
not like you're seeing him slide to a point where you'd want to
take him, you know, because of what you've done already.
I have him. I have him ranked one spot after
George Picken, so I think I have him ranked 4546, which just
means I'm not getting a ton of Rashi Rice right now.
But that's fine because I'm getting a lot of Xavier worthy
right now. So for the ship chasing weekend,
we were doing some some contests where, you know, we're drafting
against each other and you know, these are obviously like just
smaller leagues that if there's not they're they're very time
boxed for one day time box. And I was actually taking a
decent amount of rice because it did it was like, yeah, I think
that a lot of the reason I'm not taking rice in BBM is I'm pretty
confident he is going to fall in the suspension.
And I had a lot before and I think I'm just going to get
fifth round Rice really regularly later.
So I'm only taking when he falls to the fifth really, or
sometimes it's a 4-5 turn. And actually often if I'm like
behind it receiver, I'm more likely to take Rice because it's
like, all right, he's going to be a stud when he gets back is
is, you know, a pretty clear bet.
And it's not he's going to get suspended forever.
Like he's he'll play at some point.
And it's nice to to be able to get that upside on the team when
you need receiver points. But yeah, I mean, I think in in
in a time box stuff, you know, like some of these smaller
tournaments, I think I might take a little bit more rice than
I have been with that same thinking that if it's the fall
that I'm really waiting for, then obviously, you know, in the
Husky 2 that that doesn't really matter.
Hardcore hardcore agree with that.
He's much he's much more attractive in any kind of time
time box contest. Why?
Why, by the way, is Xavier worthy not not rising up?
Is is Jacob's corner of the Internet just that powerful?
No. I draft, I draft Xavier worthy.
Now I, I, I mean, I never really was not drafting Xavier worthy,
but I've been drafting a ton of them post rice stuff and I'm
surprised that he's not moving up more.
Let me let me check. I bet I have more worthy than
rice now I do I have, I have 17% Xavier worthy.
So I don't know why he's not moving up.
It's not me. Good for you man, good for you
not not being too proud to admit you were doing the wrong thing
before. Well, I was quite a bit, but
then the circumstances. Change he didn't admit.
That I will not admit that, but the circumstances.
Too Well OK, good for you for allowing yourself to be bailed
out by by circumstances some people.
Some people would have stuck their nose up in the air and
said no dude it was always Jalen Royals or OR.
Some people are doing it right now.
I I'm not. I haven't ranked at 32 overall.
Yeah, I'm drafting worthy too. I.
Was going to say, I think that might be my my exact ranking by
the way. Just I was making fun of myself
there because I I'm now fairly aggressively drafting jail and
Royals. I, I have psyopped myself.
Well, I've psyopped myself. OK, hear me out.
And, and you guys tell me how far off base you think I am.
Reed. It's winding down, man.
I mean, I don't, he doesn't know how many years he has left as a
coach. Like, not that many.
This is your like third round pick by the way.
Yeah. You don't know many years he has
left on this planet, but he's your starting center.
No, no, This is, this is about, this is about Royals, this is
about. Royals.
No, but it's also about Annie Reed.
Who you. Absolutely.
I'm bringing it back. I'm saying this is about.
This is about. Your you're literally saying
this guy's like 2 years from the grave and yet you think he's
gonna be like moving guys in the middle of the offensive line?
I mean and I I retain, I retain, correct?
I retain, I retain that information.
Obviously the the decision they're going to have to make
the first couple games of the season is who do we play, Jalen
Royals or Juju Smith Schuster? And I wonder if they just say,
you know what, man, just enough of this, enough of forcing
Patrick Mahomes to be Gardner Minshew, enough.
If we if we are going to lose some regular season games,
whatever, we're going to lose some regular season games or
we're going to have some growing pains.
But like, can we just not spend one of the final years of
Mahomes's prime, like physical prime throwing screen passes?
Did you just misshuster? Can we just score some points?
Can we just push the ball? Can we just get some young guys
on the field? They should need to score early.
I mean, it's Brazil and the Chargers, then it's Philadelphia
Giants, Baltimore and Detroit, Washington are all in that top
half of the. Schedule for them and, and I
know, I know the answer is probably like, it's just going
to be Juju and Hollywood and Kareem Hunt and they're just
going to score 22.3 points per game and they're going to win
easily. You know Mahomes wriggles his
way out of that jam. Yet again.
But I, I just, I don't know, man.
Royals is obviously better than Juju's misused or in in in in
creating any kind of value in and of himself.
But Juju knows where to be on the field I guess.
I'm seeing some some breaking news here that that Andy Reid
actually has a calf strain. Does that change anything?
I, I don't know. I, I tend to think just given
the way we've seen it the last couple years and that they know
they can do that. They know they can be boring and
just score 22 points and win then but.
But were they? But were they Icarus though?
But were they? Were they but?
For the end of the season, yeah. But this is just for the
beginning while Rice is out. And like Juju, I think is like
the, I don't know if he's officially like the captain or
whatever, but he's they, they keep talking about how he's the
leader of the wide receiver room, but he's he's like, he's
the dude in that room. Well, he's the only one who's
him, and him and Hollywood are the only ones who are older than
23. Right.
But I don't know, I mean it seems and the other thing is
what, what are they trying to do?
They're trying to replace Rashi Rice like that is.
They called, they called Jalen Roy, they called Jalen Royals a
Rashi Rice clone. That's straight from Brett
Veitch. He said that.
OK, all right, all right now. He could just, he could just be
lying, right? There's nothing better than
lying in the preseason so. Marc Andrews.
Like if we knew, if we knew Rice was going to be out for the end
of the season somehow, let's say he like planned a trip and he's
just he's just going to take off, then I would be I would
have a completely different tune.
It's just that it's because it's the early part of the season.
Like why wouldn't they just use the vet who they know they can
they can get it done. I mean, I'm.
I'm sure you're, I'm sure that the Jalen Royals is going to
run, you know, 22% of the routes or whatever.
But what if he doesn't? I did.
I did bet on Jalen Royals 250 to 1 to win Offensive Rookie of the
Year. My.
God, the off side I think is that's.
Not my man, he's got I'm. Not sure he's 1000 to one.
Yeah. Let's go Jeeps less.
More money has been spent on worse bits.
So that's true. Same one.
I, I do think the real, the real path is you hope that Royals has
like 30% routes early, looks good, and then he can
springboard that into keeping a portion of the role or a portion
of the routes when Rice comes back.
And then maybe he displaces Hollywood at the end of the
season. I think that's the that's the
path is that he has to just eventually beat out Hollywood.
But I think the more likely path is yet Juju just.
Played well, by the way. Sneaky, sneaky bad update on
Hollywood, Andy Reid said this. Bad day.
No, he said. Well, I the beholder, he said
that Hollywood avoided surgery, which is better than having
surgery on an ankle injury, but it's a more, it's a more severe
ankle injury than I thought. Like this was not like, Oh yeah,
he's sprained his ankle, but he'll be back.
It was, it's a yeah. So I, I moved Hollywood down in
my rankings. Then I was taking him a little
bit before I'm. I'm done taking him now, OK?
I should move that down. I didn't.
Yeah, I might move him down as well, though we don't really
take him. Nick pointing out, by the way,
on FanDuel Royals was 265 to 1 if you if you wanted to shop
around a little bit there. That's what I got it on.
I got it on FanDuel at 2:50 and then they, well, actually the
guy, the guy who in ship chasing when we did it last Thursday,
who said I went on a date with a girl who knew who Brevin Jordan
was. He sent me Adm on Discord and
said, hey, Yellen Royals is 250 to 1 to win offensive Ricky the
year on Candwell. I just bet it.
And I said you're a man after my own heart.
Let me, let me as well and then thank.
You for the content. It was it.
Was locked there was just you couldn't bet it there was just a
little lock next to it on FanDuel for like the next like 3
hours, but it's still at the same price right now I just.
Loved they reviewed it and then they were like, yeah, we could
unlock this. They they reviewed it and they
were like, actually, let's just let these absolute idiots have.
At it, have at it. Davis, I read you this morning
on Isaiah Likely and I was taken by how I guess I want to say
pessimistic. You sound about him season long.
I mean just whether he'll be back from the surgery right in
this case. So Andrew's unlikely for you
guys. I mean, how many times does a
guy have a literal foot operation before the beginning
of the season and then at the end of the at the end of the
year, you're like, Oh yeah, dude, that was fine.
That was that was Much Ado about nothing, that he had a literal
surgery on his foot 30 days before the NFL season.
Do we know or care about what kind of surgery it is?
Like it's this isn't a Jones fracture deal, is it?
I don't know, let me let me Google it.
But to me, to me, no, I I don't really care what it is.
I just. Because that would scare me.
I've not heard the word Lis Frank yet, so that's that's
encouraging. The procedure was to stabilize
his foot. It was to repair a small
fracture in his foot. The current expectation is a six
to eight week recovery timeline. That to me just sounds super
bearish. Just to me that sounds bad.
Well, it's not good. I also think the context of
likely right is that you need him to play more than last year
and more than. Andrews.
More than Andrews and so the like, what's the bet?
The bet is that this is a young ascending player who actually
forces the team to change their plans a little bit and does not
just get back to the last year status quo, but actually builds
on it. And so I think that's a more
difficult bet to make. When the guy's hurt, it'd be
like if he was locked in, you know, if this was Trey McBride,
I wouldn't be as concerned because I know, I know what the
plan is for Trey McBride. Like he's going to be the dude.
I would obviously be concerned, but it would, you know, his
ability to to get to get out on the field as much as we want
want him to. I think really depends on him
being all the way back, which might not be for, you know, even
after a few more weeks it might be until mid season that he's
like at the point where where he was what he would have been had
he not got hurt. They don't need, they don't need
him to play full time. I mean, they, they essentially
play it's, it's really weird. They're like the only team I can
think of that has two tight ends that we're aware of that both
play the same role. Like usually you have like the
Knox Kincaid who play kind of complimentary roles that aren't
necessarily impacting each other as much as we might think.
But the Ravens like they have Kolar, who is their why tight
end. They have Ricard who's like an H
back, but also will play a fix to the line.
And then Andrews and likely are both move tight ends.
So they they mix and match and they'll either have they'll have
heavy personnel packages with both Kolar and Ricard, but
they'll also do sort of their standard 12 personnel package
with one of Kolar and Ricard and one of Andrews.
Are likely they'll do their 12 light with both Andrews and
likely or they'll just have an 11 on passing downs with only
one path catching tight end, it'll be Andrews or likely.
So those snaps in 12 and the snaps in 11, they are directly
competing with each other for them and they kind of.
Wrote and likely was winning some of those, yeah.
So that's a spot. That's an easy spot, right?
Like you got Kolar. All of them.
Then last year he played still most of them, but not all of
them like he was working into them.
And I would guess the hope was, if you're a likely drafter, is
that that becomes either 5050 or likely starts to play more of
them over the course of the season.
Exactly. Now it might look like Andrews
was probably gonna play 8090% of them very early in the season.
And likely we'll have to work to get back just to what it was
last year. Yeah.
Yeah, why did we ever want Isaiah likely over Ferguson and
Kraft and those Why did we ever? I didn't place, I really didn't
I, I didn't take a. Lot of I wasn't drafting him.
Yeah, I I was low on both of them because I wanted to bet on
likely over Andrews, but I didn't understand the likely
price either. I thought likely was overpriced.
I I might have been wrong by the way.
I mean, they seemed pretty excited about him.
There's rumors that the he was going to get a pretty, pretty
good contract the same day that he hurt his foot.
And now obviously the contract hasn't come through Weird, but.
That's another, that's by the way, that's like another
slightly bearish thing about getting him back is like, I'm
not playing on a a bum foot. Right.
When I'm when I'm trying to get a contract like what?
I'm going to refracture my foot. It's a playoff team, too.
They can take it slow. On a fourth round rookie
contract? No, thank you.
Yeah, no, totally. Yeah.
So I, I, I mean, it's possible that, that I was too bearish
before, but I've, I've always been at the price.
I was like, I was struggling a little bit to see, you know, it.
It's not that I couldn't pay off, but like in a lot of cases
it just does it. This is just a really overpriced
tight end and, and I, if I'm taking a tight end in that
range, I might not have one yet. So getting like a Ferguson or
something like that is just a lot more appealing.
I will take likely now if he if he falls and I have Lamar, but
that's about it. Ferguson is like a no data,
nothing's happened, but I'm just moving him up in my rankings
because like, well, if I just am buying all this Cowboys passing
attempt stuff, Ferguson is like sleepwalking into 750 yards
between 3 to 8 touchdowns. He and he got paid.
That that's a thing. I mean, that's good 'cause I
think they've, sorry, they've hyped Brevin Spann Ford as a, as
a, you know, and he was a good blocker last year.
He's not. I was.
Going to say Brevin. Brevin Spanford is the most like
damn Davis you're so bad at this.
I used to be good at this. I was trying to think of a funny
blocking tight end name and I come Tommy Tremble.
Man Hertz. I well, man Hertz, yeah, he's
he's not quite. He's not quite he Durham Smythe.
There you go. Thank you the most Durham Smythe
ass tight end. But Durham Smythe was a problem
for Mike Gosuki. Like you can be a problem for
but but Ferguson. Ferguson can block though.
It's Ferguson is not like one of these like like Harold Fannon
types. I would just had like my I I was
drafting a lot of Ferguson, but I like it was on my radar that
Brevin Spann Ford was putting together at least the early part
of camp. Them paying Ferguson is
obviously like their plan is for him to be their starting tight
end for many years going forward.
You know, at least the next couple years, right.
So I just, I think that matters. It's it kind of tells you that
whatever that hype was really doesn't doesn't change the
pecking order at all. You have the rookies in here
too, a little bit higher, but Warren and Loveland.
And I might predict that Dalton Kincaid is on this list next
week because of the Shakur injury.
Remember, Jacob, our conversation about Kincaid a few
weeks ago that was clipped like what has to happen And you said,
I'll tell you what has to happen, one of three things and
1 is a Shakur injury and we're there high ankle sprained.
It's not his first. You know he's iffy for Week 1 at
this point. And that opens up a lot of
possibilities for the Bills, as good as Shakur is.
I was going. To say luckily they have 19 slot
wide receivers. So they're all slot receivers,
but I don't think they'll move Coleman.
I think they want to establish Coleman with what they drafted
him to be. And then you have Curtis Samuel.
Receivers. Nope.
You have Curtis Samuel, who has a hamstring thing of his own
right now, and that's sort of an annual deal it appears to be.
And then Elijah Moore who they just are sort of taking on as a
on a lark. So I think Kincaid will be the
one that's the most hyped tier going forward and no Shakur for
the entire pre season at least. I I I have been drafting Josh
Palmer, which is. Oh yeah, Palmer had a look at He
was, he was banged up, wasn't he?
I think she's OK. I.
Don't know anything about. The thing about the thing about
Palmer is there's absolutely no story you can tell yourself that
he is, oh, the guy you needed to have.
He has this breakout potential. Like it it it's just not
happening. It's it's it's kind of waving
the white flag and just being like, well, I don't know,
someone's got to freaking play he.
He was working, Palmer's working through a groin injury, but I
think he was back at practice yesterday.
I I was on Hayden's show and it was not on the show sheet.
And he stuck it with an impromptu who's the best pick on
the Bills? And I like had to think through
all of the names of Bills. I'm not clicking.
And then I, I was like, I think Josh Palmer's the best pick on
the Bills. And I immediately was saddened
that I'd put that on the Internet.
But yeah, it is Alan. But it was it was it was like
skill player. What's the question?
But yeah, Palmer, I have. Curtis, it's Curtis Samuel.
I, I think so. I think it's Kincaid now, in
part because you get the, the NIA still a red flag stuff.
He missed one day of practice with knee soreness and came back
the next day. But I think that is in people's
minds. He does.
You know, people are talking about how he's got a lava lamp
in his knee in ridiculous shit like that.
So. Someone someone's saying that I
don't. I don't remember who said.
It we don't know who's we're all looking for the guy that did
this. But yeah, I mean, he seems like
as far as things go for the Bills right now, pretty healthy,
you know, all the things considered.
And yeah, like Dawson Knox hasn't played at all.
He's missing like all of camp right now.
And I I don't know when he's going to be back Like this is
that's that's good, you know, and, and Shakur being hurt, I
mean, those are the exact type of targets that that he is
looking to consolidate. So I think Kincaid's a pretty,
pretty solid pick. There always was some upside
that he in his third year, you know, took a step and now you
get like, you still get that upside, but you probably get,
you know, some better games early part of the season while
Secure gets back. The time to ramp up my two
person he's. As good of a slot receiver as
Curtis Samuel or Elijah Moore, and I think he's the worst
blocking Fed and then Jackson Hawes, so it just doesn't even
matter to me. Jackson Hawes out of Yale I.
Think he's just a fundamentally useless settlement player.
I don't think he's been bad enough for you to say that.
I think his his efficiency has been.
Fundamentally useless that that I'm like the Kincaid hater and
even I think that's a. Bit that feels like a bias
relative to where we were drafting him and and the hype
around him. Who is drafting him?
He was going on the fifth round last year.
You and Jacob. Jacob, you.
I know. I took Dalton Kincaid on.
Our but you had to argue the Adam on a main event team in
which I was outvoted by Ron Stewart and Liam Murphy.
It was not by my will. So bearish dude getting a player
that Ron and Liam want you to take his over.
I'm thinking that. My bias is slightly died to that
decision. I feel like I've got a friend
who I've just I've the fight is not going to happen.
I've I've I've held you back successfully.
But I'm like, come on. It's cool, man.
Like it's cool. Let's just go, let's go back,
let's hang out. Move on, Fred Brown.
You might see Ray Davis on this list next week, too.
I was going to say Ray Ray Davis is my answer for the best Bills
player to draft. He's got like so many outs.
Nick says Knox was back, so that's that's not great.
I'm gonna look into. That I just think with Ray Davis
too, like I guess it's weird cuz I think I'm like out on like
every bill except for Palmer, which I shouldn't be cuz they're
gonna score a lot of points so someone's gonna add, but I that
my issue with. Davis Price If this price can
cake and hit. People.
Well, yeah. I just would rather take Goddard
every single time. I was taking Goddard every
single time, but I think that's bad.
Like there's things have opened up like, like how good is
Goddard? Goddard's not amazing.
He's. Good.
He had like over 2 yards per row run last year.
He's way worse than A.J. Brown and Devante Smith.
Like he's clearly. One of if one of them gets hurt,
he's like a top five tight end. They'll throw more.
Yeah, he he's, he's in the mix. But like, they're not throw.
If one of those guys gets hurt, they're less likely to throw.
You know they're not going to lean on Dallas Goddard over
Saquon Barkley. Jacob what on Davis?
I like that he plays snaps. My issue with Ray Davis, it's
not a massive issue, but it's, look, I've seen some people say
they think he's one of the best handcuffs in the whole league
and I just struggle with that a little bit cuz I think there's
other guys who if the starter goes down, will play every snap.
Yeah. Like if Dejon Robinson goes
down, Tyler Algier will play like a 93% snap rate the next
week. I don't even.
Can anyone name the Falcons RV 3?
Carlos Washington. I'll believe you.
I don't even. Know that's a real.
Person. With a K, Carlos with a.
That's, that's incredible. I've never even heard of Carlos
Washington. Give me, give me the slappy
seal, brother. Alright, Carlos Washington is
not is not a threat to Tyler Algiers contingent workload If
if James Cook gets hurt, Ray Davis will be awesome and he'll
be pumped to stardom. But like, you're still going to
see Ty Johnson on. All I mean Ray Ray games was
awesome in the game that James Cook missed last year he like.
And I think that's what's affecting.
I think that's what's affecting people like it matters.
But like, well, it should I was that.
It was one good play. It was one good play.
He was fine. It was one play that he broke
for like half his yards in that game if I remember.
Right, it counts it. Counts, but he's not going to do
that. One good, one good play, one
good play. Merchant is is how we got tenth
round Chase Brown last year. Yeah, but but.
Zach Moss is is not no longer on the pills.
James I don't know, I I like Ray Davis.
I just struggle when he gets like, it still doesn't make any
sense to me that he's ahead of like Tyler Algier.
I'll take him because I I want to.
Actually, well, he goes ahead of Tyler Algier because James Cook,
for whatever reason, has been limited like both ways by the
bills. The bills have never let the the
governor off of James Cook. So there's the I think a semi
rational thing happening in the market where they're saying
there there is meat on the bone, particularly in basketball when
you don't have to decide what week he might score a touchdown.
Like he could score 6 touchdowns and have two good spike weeks in
a season where James Cook returns running back 15 value.
Yeah. I mean, I I think that that is
part of it is that Davis can kind of take on some of the goal
line role from James Cook and you know, we saw last year they
can score running back touchdowns actually so.
They they gave, they gave. No James Cook had four
touchdowns his first two NFL seasons like that.
You could just totally revert. Rushing, right?
Yes, it could. It could completely revert.
It would not be surprising. I, I don't know what to what to
do. I mean, I, I think eventually
they're going to rain in Alan's rushing, but I doubt we're there
yet. They're still chasing their
championship. He has more rushing touchdowns
in his career already than Thurman Thomas and OJ Simpson
here. He's got the franchise record
67, will get to 100. And so I don't think it's about
to happen, but I don't want to bet on cook for his goal line
stuff after last year either or Davis.
They're such a an enigma, the Bills.
But you could see both those names on this list next week
because Cook is, I mean, what did he do?
He threatened to hold out. He, you know, he bluffed and he
hung out here for a week and a half and then he started his
holdout or hold in, as I say now.
And I feel like he had to do something.
I've been saying it the whole time, like you can't just do all
that talking and then show up and, you know, bend over if you
will. So this is his move and I think
it lasts. There was a quote by Joe Brady
at the end of July where they're talking about kind of the roles
and he said a guy like James Cook not playing on 3rd down
last year doesn't have anything to do with his ability in the
pass game or him not being able to handle pass protection.
Some of it is that we have other guys like Ty Johnson who did a
great job in protection. So why have James Cook take a
couple more blows in protection when Ty can handle it and Ty's
still there. So I was like, I don't know, it
jumped out to me because I'm like, they're like James Cook
really wants to play on 3rd downs, but.
You want to talk about fundamentally useless?
It's every Joe Brady quote. But it's not.
I mean, that came true.
Well, I mean, the the platitudes toward Cook in terms of his
blocking her third down play, it's just there's no reason for
that other than the. Fact that well, no, I'm saying
I'm saying what what came true is the Ty Johnson was going to
be playing and you're going to. Like it?
Sure, that's right. And Allen called him the best
third down back in the league. This is this is from this July
going away. This is this is him saying Ty
Johnson is our third down back is how I took it.
The platitudes of of he's a great pass protector and there's
no reason not to play him. It's not the part that jumped
out to me. The part that played out jumped
out to me is they're like, we have Ty Johnson in that role and
that's not gonna. Change.
No, that's right. But that's already been
demonstrated that they're going to do that.
So that was already established and Alan is talking.
But I mean, I never thought that was gonna change.
Hook is an ascending young player.
We could talk ourselves into him taking on more of a third down
role if the OC wasn't like, yeah, I'm not doing that so
right. He's actually descending.
He's actually descending at this point.
He might he. Might he's he's really good at
it. Like I actually think it's
rational. Like Ty Johnson's great at that
stuff. He's a good bass blocker.
He was like converting these high adopt throws and like he
it's he's an annoying person to have on your team if you're a
running back. Ty Johnson is a Ty Johnson.
Is a good player. Ty Johnson is a good player,
which complicates a little bit. We've got some, we've got some
breaking news that is going to change strategy for almost no
one other than me, which is that Mason Taylor has a high ankle
sprain, Joe. Deleted them off the ranks.
I was gonna say literally, literally, literally off my
board and I really liked him and that's gonna be bad for my teams
that already exist. But you know, it is it.
Don't, don't compound that issue and also don't compound that
issue. I'm looking at you,
legendaryupsiderankings.com/korain. Don't compound that issue by
taking too much Josh Reynolds, either.
Oh, Josh Reynolds is who I was going to take too much of.
Harold I I get. That's who I'm going to take too
much of. That that I.
I'm actually. I'm actually done.
I'm actually done fighting that one with you.
Are you done? Why?
And why is that Davis? It's cuz cuz vans gonna crush.
Because Deonte Johnson came in a training camp, Fat.
Which, it's just like if you're gonna be Deonte Johnson, how
dare you show up to your literal last chance fat.
There's only like so many times like there's always gonna be a
counter argument against like what what you're proposing is
gonna happen. And when the counter argument is
not dude, Deonte Johnson, you know, you're in a good spot like
that. That's that's well, that's one
of the best ones to be the. The counter the counter
argument, the counter argument for Fannin is like I don't third
round rookie tight ends who are behind an incredibly good like
like David and Joku is. Just go on.
He's not competing with Ninjoku. He's.
He's not. Competing with Ninjoku, this is
this is well worn territory. Crane and I have had this
argument 17 times and we don't we don't need to have it
anymore. I think Crane is going to be
proven correct by by history here.
He he's on the right side of history and I'm I'm happy to tip
my cap to him. How much do you take fan in an
underdog? I take him.
I don't take him a non-stop or. Anything right But he's like
double digits. Yeah, let me check.
It's probably not double digits cuz decent amount of those guys
go on. I take fired up to take him on
FFPC stuff and I'm pumped. I don't really do much draftings
until very, very late, but I will definitely take a lot of
them on. The 20 round draftings I just
like I can't really get there on.
OK. I meant not as not as much as I
thought. I, I have, I have 2%, but I have
648 teams. So like the raw amount of teams
that is. But not 9%'s like a like a 1516%
are for not, you know, for guys who go and draft it like, you
know, you're not expected to draft 8%, Harold Fanning because
it doesn't get drafted in every draft.
So yeah, yeah, it's a little higher than it seems.
But the types of builds that I take him on is if I have like
Hunter Henry and Zach Ertz I take Harold Fannon, you know, a
decent amount there. Cuz I'm like, give me, give me
some, give me some juice here. I need I need some some.
I take, I take another rookie tight end who's behind walking
tight ends. I I take I take a Rondae
Gadsden. Oh, I take a third rookie tight
end. I take Terrence Ferguson.
Ferguson, Gadsden. I I am not.
I'm not too hip to Terrence Ferguson because he of of all
these guys, he has the most significant roadblock ahead of
him. I.
Refuse to acknowledge Tyler Rigby A.
Significant I I know, I know you.
He He's very much an inconvenient truth.
For for the slaps Mason Taylor to.
To me, Tyler Rigby does not exist.
I'm also. I'm also.
That's Sean McVeigh. I'm also very familiar with
Terrence Ferguson's work and I actually just don't think he is
a particularly good player. He's not it.
Mason Taylor is a real blow. I mean these all these fields
teams were all drafting tons of fields and just sitting there in
the 16 rounds. Mason Taylor.
Is bad for for me. I'm at 17% on him.
Oh, really? Joey B said he's a Jets fan, but
he was still terrified because he thought we meant Jonathan
Taylor. So even even as a Jets fan
relief. Also, by the way, it.
Could be worse. I I'm.
Only I Rod Taylor injured too. I.
Dodged. Dodged that bullet.
While we're on Taylor's Tyrod Taylor knee injury at the same
press. Someone just mentioned that
Breece Hall was helped off by trainers, so that's not great.
Either what? No.
No, no, no, no, Breece. Hall.
That was fake. That was he.
Went and he came back. No, that was before was fake.
It's not fake, it's just no longer real because he he went,
he left rags with trainers and then he returned to practice
later. On now I've asked the chat to to
let's wait until we get some news.
We don't need this isn't this isn't the ship cast we don't
need you are by blow. Putting you are the 1, putting
the chat on well. It's in the, it's in the chat,
OK. Wait.
Until a resolution high ankle sprain.
Great. We want to hear about that.
That's a diagnosis, OK. We had Davis for that.
Davis. Guy guy drinking Gatorade for a
second. Not not as important.
I've already I've already updated the sidekick without
Mason Taylor in it. Terrible fallers ready.
Mason Taylor. Let's do it.
Hey, Taylor. Raid James Cook, Khalil Shakur
Wait till next week. Quinchon Judkins, Joe Mixon,
Marshawn Lloyd Yikes Likely Juwan Jennings Naji Harris,
Terry Mclaurin, Darren Waller, Travis ETN Most interesting name
Jennings I think is the most interesting name here for me.
I was going to say, I'm, I'm, I'm Diporino slurping on on
Jennings. You are you guys.
Hear that Kyle Shanahan quote because that was real bullish
for. Jennings in my opinion, yeah,
let me let me read it in its in its entirety so that I don't get
it wrong. I'm almost certain I haven't
memorized, but you go right. OK.
Kyle Shanahan was asked about Jennings's absence, if it's
definitely health related, not business related, and said,
quote, you could ask him that, but he tells me it's his calf.
Got to be delicate with those calves, which is absolutely.
I signed a document saying that I'm mad.
And now I've escalated it to the second tier of being angry,
which is now I would like to be compensated for my time, not my
calf is injured. It's now I find the document
saying that I injured my calf. Yes, now, now I I officially I
signed the official. Document sign here if you're
calf is sore. Sign here if you're calf is
sore. Yeah my my.
I do not think this is a serious injury.
Yeah, I don't know. I read it a little differently
because it's it's Shanahan and he's so kind of like, yeah, man,
I don't know, like we all might die tomorrow.
Like he's like, yeah, I get like it.
Could you have to talk to Jawan if you want to know?
What if this is him holding in? He tells me it's his calf.
We're treating it like it's his calf.
Calf injuries are serious or whatever.
He's he technically reinjured it, so yeah, like maybe he
doesn't fully believe. Shit posting phrase.
Yeah, he's definitely trolling a little bit, but that doesn't
mean that. We could all be, we could all be
dead tomorrow if we don't take care.
Of our cows. So he's talking about cows.
It's I I just he's always kind of got that that kind of trolley
attitude a little bit. So I just don't know if we to
me, I didn't, I just I kind of threw it out like I'm like, I'm
not sure. Yes, he's sort of hinting that
maybe he's holding in, but it also could be him just being
pissed off. A guy's not out there.
This is not a hint. This is not a hint.
He he is telling us. No, it's not a hint.
He's telling us. He's saying he's not available
for because because he's holding out.
He's implying he's implying he didn't come right out to.
Say it because of the. Implication.
Well, you can't say it because of the implication, yeah.
You can't say it. Also the.
Reason you're saying that word a lot.
What are you? Yeah.
Like, you know, even if you just expand right, the reaggravation,
it's like, yeah, earlier he had a calf issue and then we thought
we were back from that calf issue.
I think he's re. Aggravated that calf issue and
we expect it to be cleared up in a couple of weeks.
Yeah, I'm I think I respect that read.
I just didn't on this. I I might need to go watch it.
It might be a watcher for me because that's I could see how
you'd read it that way for sure. I, I don't, I think, I think
you're being a little obtuse, Corrine.
I I think it's very evident what he's saying.
Look, Davis, if if he's not with you, go ahead and keep slurping.
Just take advantage of the of the extra slurp.
Yeah, put him down, leg up. Well, it's actually really
interesting what has happened, which is that Jennings is like
pretty key if you are a wide receiver heavy drafter because
you're getting into that range and most of the picks there that
you like are running back. So you're getting RJ Harvey
there, Trevion Henderson there. So if you decide that Jennings
is a tear down, you move him into the pure Sol Golden Reed
tier then and you are like. It kind of changes the texture
of the board if you are. Not wanting to.
Take Jennings there and I, I am happy because I because my prior
would be he signed the document saying his calf is hurt, not
that the calf is actually injured.
Well, I agree with you on the read, but I guess I still see it
as so clustered that I still actually moved him down like a
lot. Because it was like once I
started moving down behind a couple of names, then it was
like, well why wouldn't I move him down?
Like to me it's like I almost. Had Kobe Myers.
Move him down at all or I have to move him down behind like 15
names because they're like kind of all the same there to me.
Jacoby Myers or Jennings? Maybe I'll move him back up, but
I have him in the mid 7th right now.
I have him right behind Jacoby Myers.
Judy. I have John Judy.
Jayden Reid, yeah, I would say I would take Jennings at that
point. I'm trying to push him to the
7th. Jayden Reid.
Jayden Reid got the Jayden Reid got the just coffin just stuck
in a freaking sarcophagus at Packers family night.
I mean, if there was any hope that he was going to have this
new fangled role, it I I think it is.
He's not like not going to play and then he did play and so then
maybe we shouldn't read into all that much.
Or am I just I just Co posting? I I you are you are Co posting.
Right now. You're.
You're you're pile. The Borchak posting right now
because this is good we're an hour into we're 90 minutes into
the show. I can I can do a conspiracy
theory here. So finally.
I like checking the time before doing.
Sitting here waiting. So as as the comments are
telling me that I'm reading way too much into Family Night,
well, I wish I would have read way too much into Family Night
last year when Dante and Wix played four snaps.
Malik Keith, I played the second most snaps of any wide receiver
and played them all on the boundary like he played all
outside. And I'm wondering, and I need
you guys, I need you guys to shut this down immediately so it
doesn't hinder me. Dante Vianwicks did not play on
family night. I'm what, because he was
injured. I'm wondering if Malik Keith was
the Dante Vianwicks placeholder and there actually is more of a
boundary role for for one Mr. Slappy seal himself.
Oh my God, Davis. Hey Davis, you accused me of Co
posting and then you just you just did that.
I'm coping. I'm coping, Davis.
I'm more worried. About your your eyesight than
than Najee Harris, you have gone blind.
Yeah, For, for whatever, for whatever it's worth.
I, I, I don't, I don't actually think that's true.
I, I, I, I think it's this, I don't know, I, I believe that
like 4% or whatever, but I, I do actually believe that Jaden Reed
is still a fairly good mid 7th early eighth round best ball
fantasy football pick. But I think that to draft Jaden
Reed over Matthew Golden is now just looking at reality in the
face. Yeah, we, we changed that.
That was one of the changes yesterday, the golden see.
Like I I made that same change and I have golden head but I
still get aggravated hearing it from other people even though I
now agree. Even though you now that that's
we got to come up with a name for that.
That's that's the. It's a good thing you.
Actually agree on, but you don't.
Want to hear it? Kind of the whole exercise of
basketball because like. In my heart, if you gave me true
serum who's going to score more points this year, I 100% would
still say Jaden Reed. But I just like don't really
have any evidence to support that assertion other than.
Well, Jaden Reed. Jaden Reed will definitely have
two really good games at some point, like 2 like 30 plus
pointers. But he also didn't I I believe
the final eight weeks of the season last year, Jayden Reid
had 190 yards. I got that from a Leone tweet.
That might be that might be off by like a couple yards here or
there, but he basically, he basically like did not exist.
Yeah. Let me let me, let me pull it up
so I can actually get the the correct amount of yards so that
I don't shortchange him because I'm going to guess that it is
not very many. I mean, Jayden Reid, I mean,
didn't even have that many yards total last year.
Well, I did want to mention that in the Family Night stuff, as
Jacob pointed out, he wasn't going to play and he did play.
Savion Williams got 4 snaps and you know, it's such a natural
one for one replacement for Reed's stuff that I actually
wonder if we should we should give those to Jaden Reed.
And they were in the slot they. Were out wide.
Don't worry about that. In fact, that's actually bullish
because it means Reed. So Jaden Reed, Jaden Weed, Jaden
Weed, Jaden Reed from week we're.
Firmly in the Jaden weeds. Right now.
We are in the Jaden. Weeds 2 for 23/3 for 26, three
for 24, zero for 05 for 34, three for 76, one for 6/2 for 48
on the back half of last season, so.
OK, but he was he was still what was he in half DPR points per
game? I'm willing to bet it.
Was pretty pretty good. Higher than his current ADP.
I would. I would not take that bet
because I'm sure you're right. Like I think people in the chat
are like, are we just hoping for a trade to bail us out?
Like not no, I just I don't really understand the big issue.
He's currently going at the end of Round 7.
Is he going to play in 12 personnel?
Probably not. I don't think anyone actually
thinks there's a threat to his 11 personnel.
He's he's a, he's a totally cromulent pick.
Where he goes, he's just is worse than golden.
But like, Golden might just suck.
Golden does fucking suck. Like I, I, I'm, I.
I graphed. I don't know, man.
I gave him. I gave him.
Sucks. Look, I understand the range of
outcomes, OK? I like, can intellectually
understand why Matthew Golden's a good pick and I do it.
But I don't actually think he's any good.
Like Jaden Reed is going to be fine.
He's going next. To Josh Downs.
Who also plays? He's Co posting.
You can, you can like you can
understand why someone could not suck and draft accordingly.
But can you make me in my heart believe that Matthew Golden
doesn't suck? No you cannot.
You're gonna, you're just gonna have to, you're just gonna have
to watch ball. I just think I'll watch it.
I'll watch it with an 11%. Exposure they took her in the
first round and they're like, all right, dude, you're gonna be
our number one outside receiver here's here here's all the stuff
it's on your plate and he's just he seems like he's he's doing it
it it's working out pretty well they seem.
Matthew Golden. Matthew Golden ran too quickly
for Jacob. And I think it's it's as simple
as that. Now let's do.
Let's do something well. Let's do some.
Game. Don't leave the package.
Eight, I have, 8% I have. 8% Queen yours, man.
We we can't take anything. Queen, yours is a Is a wide
receiver destroyer Xavier Worthy No Amy.
Mitchell Jordan winning look. Like you can say a lot of things
about Xavier Worthy, but Xavier Worthy earned targets from Queen
yours. So did Matthew Golden once they
decided. Did he catch them defense that
way? All the deep targets fell to the
fell to the earth, No? No, Yeah.
And I I'll tell you what when you get convinced that savior
worthy is good, but I'm. Well, that's true too, but he
also might not be all right. I'm I'm so.
I'm I'm, I'm sick. But look, if I'm willing to
draft savior worthy, who I think socks in round three, who am I
not to draft Matthew Golden, who I think socks in round six.
There you. Go where?
Where are you guys taking Judkins now?
Are you are you taking on? At all one 40s.
Yeah, one one 40s is where I start thinking about it.
But it's it's, it's so dark, like ground only running back on
the likely worst team in football who 30 days away from
the start of the season, is not an employee of the team.
I don't think he's ground only is one thing.
I mean, he's well, literally watched him in the national
championship game running, running rounds and catching a
touchdown. So I I don't think he's ground
only. Didn't Henderson score the
touchdown in the National? The receiving.
Touchdown the. Long one.
It was like over the middle. It was a it was like a not a it
was not a check down type of thing.
But he yeah, his his receiving profile is an ideal, but he he
shared a backfield with Henderson and still got used
some as a receiver. I think he's I think he could be
like, you know, he can be out there.
You can kind of check down to him.
He can be Josh Jacobs, E Yeah. He could be, he could be
Jacobsy. I, I'm, I'm fine with that.
I just think that Ford is Ford is probably better at that than.
He is probably probably, but it's it's more like he he's
probably not playing a ton of like true passing down
situation, like, you know, the long down and distance stuff.
I wouldn't expect him to be the guy, but can you can you check
down to him one second down? Like absolutely you can.
So I don't think he's, you know, pure 2 down or you know, pure
rushing in that way. And then I think he's he's a
really talented runner, So and he's a bigger dude.
It makes sense for him to be the goal line guy.
They clearly drafted him to be a huge part of their offense.
Things have changed a lot. And who knows?
But when you get down into that range, you just start to get to
really speculative running back guys anyway.
And it's like, hey, if this dude plays six games at the end of
the year, I think I win this bet at this point.
That's that. That's where I start thinking
that. Obviously it's like difficult to
know the odds of anything in this situation, but that's why I
take him there. Yeah.
Let's see what I have them ranked.
I have 134. So I guess in theory I would
take him in the one 40s. It's just that I often like
he'll be there and then there's like some other person I have
ranked even ahead of him even when he falls.
So I don't, I don't know if I've clicked him yet, but in theory,
one 30s, one 40s, I think it's fine.
But it's, it's tough to have to find a lot to like on on that
situation at the moment. But I, I think he'll just keep
falling right. So he'll probably, he'll
probably get into a round where we would draft him within a week
or two unless something good happens.
I see him there and I I take him some in the one 40s like he's
he's there. You guys, you guys.
Dipperino slurping on 4th round Mclaurin.
Yes. No, Yeah, late.
Fourth round, I'm definitely Dipperino.
Slurping. I'm using it to get back because
like I was not taking him at all in the third round, so I'm kind
of using it to like get back. To catch up.
To. Yeah, to.
The my bet has always been that'll take a long time, but
they will not possibly go into the season without them, at
least for more than a couple of weeks, So no.
There's there's like no way. I've drafted them once or twice.
I don't know if I'm as excited to to slurp as you guys, but
I've I've I've taken them a couple times.
Man, Mason Taylor is bad. I'm still still stuck.
No, it's, it's really, it's really bad.
It's so, so unfortunate. Hate to hear it.
He was like, especially in early drafts when I was just like,
dude, the The Jets don't have anything.
And he was good, they were. They were loving him.
Yeah, they. Were loving him and and Fields,
who maybe has not been that good, you know, independently,
but there was something to like there.
That's a bad injury And Tyrod Taylor, I don't know.
We're not obviously drafting him, but that could be the kind
of thing where if he has a knee injury that takes him into the
season, he ends up getting IRD and somebody else.
Let's see, Let's see. Amongst our panels.
I don't have it pulled up yet. Can any of us name The Jets
quarterback 30? My God.
Well, the one guy retired the. One, that's Tim Boyle.
It's not, it's not. Tim Boyle is on another team.
Nope. I'm gonna guess.
Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater just signed
with the Buccaneers this morning.
I'll just get David Blow for the laughs.
It's it's Adrian. It's Adrian Martinez, UFL
absolute stud. Absolute stud and did.
He play like Nebraska. He did play and and and at my
college, Kansas State University.
And then Brady Cook from the University of Missouri is the
quarterback 4A truly terrible quarterback who I can't even
believe is like hitting like training camp.
It's not like just really bad. Can't even believe he's taking a
quarterback. 4 reps If Adrian Martinez played 17 games that's
I do. I do just want to see what it's
like. I I'm very intrigued.
This dude was scoring like 37 fantasy points per game in the
UFL. Neither.
Here love having somebody in my life who knows fantasy points
per game in the UFL. That's that's very.
Sad just messaged me that I'm I am being obtuse about the
Jennings quote and that it's like it's like your buddy who
doesn't know a girl is hitting on him.
You look so good today. Well, maybe she just means my
shoes. She actually likes you.
I just don't get it.
It's. Like a girl like softly bullying
Pat, like the whole night, just like cozying up to him.
And he's like, man, she was kind of mean.
This girl's a bitch. Were there any women around on
the cruise? Were there any women anywhere on
that weekend? You guys just had Pat.
Daff. I mean, a couple they were.
Steph Miller was there. Steph Miller was there and a
couple couple wives. JB Phil brought his wife
Catherine and Chris brought his wife Sarah so.
Was there any sort of magnetic force you guys were, you know,
working with in the bars? I mean, I'm not saying anybody
independently if you've married married men here mostly, but was
was the scene sort of working for the there's there's no.
There's no chance. There was 1 moment where we were
all at it. We we went to a tapas bar in
Miami and we're, we're kind of, you know, hanging out.
It's a good, it's a good crew. But Catherine there the only
woman, and we all jumped in a six man badge Bros brawl.
There were five guys at the table and every single one of us
was just staring at our phone for like 10 minutes.
Yeah, this probably isn't the best.
That didn't probably pay off in that way.
Oh well. Shocking last call.
Are we ready? So Zach tells us that this is
our 20th round. Wow.
We're almost done. We could end it, or we could
take it all the way up to week. 10 No, we're, we're taking it.
We're taking it all the way now, Pat, I'm worried about your
quarterbacks. I'm I'm worried about it.
I'm worried. About it, but the I tried to fix
it should be. Worried about his quarterback?
I tried to fix it with Dylan Gabriel, but then I had to trade
him for the best pick that anyone's made, so.
Far we also almost gave him Richardson that one week when he
was off and Richardson was sitting there and you know that
that was put to a stop that was not allowed, but we almost did.
Yeah. I'm worried about mine.
Mason Taylor for Jacob. So I am worried about Jacob's
tight ends. Oh no.
Well, he'll be back by Week 15. Maybe.
Anybody want to go first? I'm ready, I need to figure it
out. Yeah, I I'm trying to figure out
cuz I'm, I'm really weak at, I'm really weak at running back.
So I'm trying to figure out if there's someone that I'm
missing. There's someone we talked about
early today. You might like you.
Can you can probably take Amari Cooper off the OR No, never
mind. That was an Adam Scherfler tweet
that he retired. I just thought it was real.
Yes. And then I forgot that it
wasn't. I'll take if I if I may, I'll
take Renfro. That's a good one.
Yeah, that is. That that could be a good deal,
right? That could be real.
Yeah, yeah. Offense, maybe he's, maybe he's
still got something. Yeah, my running backs are so
shopes. Shopes running backs.
How about how about JCM and Brashard Smith I?
Know. Theo Mafa hat tipped to Zach.
Feel Mafa. Feel Mafa.
I'm trying to see if the guy OK Pat has Kyle Manungai.
Has anyone selected? Yes, Jordan James has been
picked. We are we.
It's thin. It's thin here.
Has Mr. Tucker been picked? Mr. Tucker, Elastic.
Nobody for the guy we talked about right off the top.
How about demon? How about I don't want Damien
Pierce? How about Ty Johnson?
Has he been picked? Has Ty Johnson been picked?
I will select yours. I will select Ty Johnson.
That works. All right, I'm racing to the
podium on this one. Newly clocked in with an ADP of
201.6 despite easily winning the RB2 job.
We can't. I'll take DJ Giddens.
I can't believe you got to Giddens before me.
It's that hour he picked up on the on the time zones by going
to win a extra hour of prep. The the chat, by the way, was
hating on my wide receivers. I I wouldn't be so quick to hate
on my wide receivers. A lot of drum beat there for
Horton, Royals and KLS. We didn't really talk about KLSI
think we should. That should be our closing.
Oh yeah, we should talk about KLS.
Pat, you're going to make a pick.
Right. I'm just trying to make sure.
I don't think someone has been taken.
All right, I'll take a new addition.
Who's falling? Maybe not.
He's in a new edition. I'll take, I'll take Marshawn
Lloyd. It's only the weeks.
I just need him to do something by the very end of the year.
Very end. I wanted to mention one more
name when when Davis was in on the Packers and that's Christian
Watson. Has he been mentioned once all
year on this show? I mean, they he's recovering.
We know the history late in the season.
I thought about him for this but I didn't pick him.
Didn't want him to go unmentioned though because
there's a little bit of buzz. Maybe that's too strong.
Yeah, I I mean. I can scary.
This is the first weekends it was eligible and I let Jacob go
first like a nice guy. Yeah, that's what it got me.
Well, I do. I know exactly what Pat always
does. He always does the.
Let's look who just got into the 2. 100, yeah, of course.
So I I knew if that got, I knew if that got to Pat, I knew
exactly where he was going. All that, that, all those long
flights, no time for the for the last call prep, that's all
right. That's.
Right, we'll run this through the last week of the regular
seat, the preseason rather, and or the week after that.
There's a week after that before the regular season starts.
Davis, the Chargers. So they are going to sign Keenan
Allen sounds like they're just figuring out the money on that
today. I agree with Jacob that it's not
the best use of their resources, like that shouldn't be their
plan. But hard to tell if I'm just Co
posting or lost in the sauce or whatever.
But I kind of feel like Keenan Allen's signing doesn't really
do much to the odds that KLS impacts your fantasy football
teams because the boundary for him impacting your team is the
same, which is he's got to play better than Trey Harris
regardless. He he wasn't, he wasn't going to
be given snaps over Trey Harris if he was playing poorly.
So I think it's basically the same thing.
Maybe there's fewer rotational wide receiver for snaps, but I I
that is kind of my read because. He now has to play better than
Quentin Johnston too. Well, that I feel is quite a low
border. That's fair.
You know, like sharp teams will sometimes clear out these like
older veterans that are just going to block the young guys.
No, the Chargers do the exact opposite, always.
Keenan can only play in the slot now, right?
Like you're not going to put, are you going to put Keenan out
out wide? So that means lad's out wide
now. Lad should be in the slot a lot.
Like lad, lad is lad. 79% of his routes to Georgia for were from
the outside. I I kind of think that's sure,
no? I I because NFL he can, but I
don't know, like if you're doing anything that isn't maximizing
what Ladd is doing on that play, you're you're not designing an
offense optimally. Like don't If you bring in a guy
that forces you to change Ladd Mcconkey's usage, then don't
bring him in. I mean, it's so strange to me.
Yeah, that's what I was saying on Twitter and and people the
the haters disagreed. But yeah, I think this
legitimately makes your team worse.
I would much rather have Ladd in the slot surrounded by whatever
two of the fast outside receivers they think are best
and then just cater everything to Lad and if he gets locked up
then you have one on ones on the outside.
But everything should be flowing through Lad.
Bringing in Keenan to play Lad's position that he just thrived in
is so silly and yeah, I agree. It makes the most sense is like
he's he's a handcuff, he's a LAD handcuff that if lad misses
time, we'll play Keenan. But yeah, any snaps that
Keenan's in the slot and and lad is, is actually, you know, less
likely to get targeted or bad snaps.
You guys trying to think Keenan Allen?
Yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah, I.
Like as much as I think as much as I think that he is not a very
good real life player, my view on Keenan Allen is just that
like he's a player where he's just a lot of empty calories.
Like the lowest percentage possible of his production for
fantasy is useful to an NFL team.
But like he will still, I think produce like if he's on the
Chargers and he plays a lot of snaps, I I think he'll probably
earn a lot of targets. He did on the Bears last year
too. I don't think he was a better
real life player than Roma dunce, but he was he was more
productive. So we'll see.
I the the last note I'll make on that.
I've seen a lot of people cite that his yards per route run is
higher on the outside than it is in the slot.
I think that that is misleading information in that he plays in
a Greg Roman offense that plays a ton of 12 and 13 personnel and
Lad would be in the slot every time they would play 11, he
would move outside in 12 and 13. So the snaps he was getting
outside, we're all snaps. That was like, we have three
tight ends and Lad on the field. So it's not that shocking that
his yards per out run was extraordinarily high on those
snaps. I don't think that means you
don't want to play him in the slot.
I think you would rather slot. So I guess I'll be the Keenan
Bear here in that, you know, you're saying if he, if he's on
the Chargers and he, he's getting a lot of routes, he's
going to earn targets. But just 'cause he's on the
Chargers, we know he's getting a lot of routes.
He, he played 54% of his snaps on the slot last year.
He was at 59% his last year with the Chargers lad was at 69% in
the slot last year. So this could be a signal that
because Keenan Allen was available and by the way, he's
been available the entire offseason.
They just decided in August that actually they want to move Lad
Mcconkey to the outside all the time, right?
Or Keenan's going to play outside, which seems now that
changed the Keenan back completely.
Because I don't think he's going to be able to beat the corners
on the outside, especially if Lad's in the slot, like he's
going to get those targets, he's getting the easy targets or
Keenan is a rotational player and he's not going to be playing
like he's he's, he's out there for like half the snaps or, or
even less. And then we also are now at the
point, as we talked about before, we're like, we're trying
to draft guys who weren't drafted early in the season who
can actually crush and be the league winners.
Keenan's not going to be a league winner.
He can maybe he can maybe help you out here or there.
He can be a chaperone if you're, if you're taking like a Brandon
Iuke or something. But like he's not going to have
this huge impact. And there's actually a decent
amount of downside still because the the deployment could be
pretty weak. Also, he might be washed.
So you've got that going against you too.
So I, I don't know, I mean like a guy like Kyle Minung guy, I
think I'm more interested in than than Keenan Allen.
Like he might, he might be the downhill runner by the end of
the season. That could, that could matter a
lot more to me than 33 year old Keenan Allen, who might be in a
part time role. And Keenan Allen, by the way,
he's been drafted the entire way.
This is not a guy who's going undrafted and now and now will
be drafted. He's he's on teams.
He's on teams for May, June, whatever.
Very interested to see what happens with Elijah Moore here
in the next couple of weeks in Buffalo just with the Shakur
injury. Maybe that that actually pops
too for guys, you know, like you're talking about Pat and
that same context not being drafted at all.
OK, final thoughts, Jacob, we'll start with you.
What have you got coming up this week?
Yeah, I'm back from my Manitoba bachelor party weekend tomorrow.
Not my bachelor party. As as Pete noted on Twitter, I'm
at no risk of a real life relationship threatening my
fantasy productive. So this week we'll be starting
up the preseason Hitchhiker's Guide, so we'll be doing
extended pieces on every backfield.
I would basically expect to have handful of backfields out every
couple of days until the end of August from now, so keep posted
there. The best ball ranks update
basically every day at this point, and I will update the
redraft and dynasty ranks less frequently, but as frequently as
I can. Pat.
Going to have an article out later today.
I'm going to get it up basically as soon as we get off here on.
I looked into the breakout wide receivers from 2018 through last
year and kind of looking at some factors that were interesting.
Not all of them like had all of these these factors, but they're
sort of different paths to how these guys became the league
winning receivers in like the rounds 4 to 6 range.
And then I'm going to have a series of articles looking
individually at the receivers going in that range this year
and talking through, you know, their potential paths to being
this year's league winning mid round breakout at the wide sewer
position. So basically rolling those out
every day for the next couple weeks is is my plan there.
So first one will be out today. The next one is on Zay Flowers.
That'll be out tomorrow. We've got the sidekick rolling
legendaryepisode.com/sidekick and working on redraft rankings
as well. Hoping to go get those out by
the end of the week. Davis, time's up.
I'm guessing the jersey over my shoulder is that of Rick Tooten,
the Bills punter. Someone in the chat, Did they
have it? Someone in the chat, someone in
the chat had it, they knew it, which I was very impressed by.
I I thought, you know, Tooten is a sort of a, you know, that's a,
that's a buzzy name right now. And also his son-in-law, I
believe is Tyler Bass, who was not yet kicked for the bills
this camp. He's got a pelvic issue.
So I don't know what, where that'll end up.
What? What have you got coming up
today, this week? Tomorrow, marathon stream, 9:00
AM Eastern to probably 5:00 PM Eastern.
It's going to be a subathon. So from the start of the stream
to the end of the stream, for every person who Subs, I'll give
away $1.00. So I don't think I'm going to
Max it at like 1000. I don't want anyone botting me
and making me give away $13,000 or whatever.
Crane's going to be on, Pete's going to be on.
Silva's going to be on Nick, our boy Nick Erkolano is going to be
on. Dink is going to be on.
You know all your all your, all your favorites are, are going to
be there. So looking forward to seeing you
guys hop in tomorrow. Very good.
I I may want to crash. I'm off all week.
I'll be mowing the lawn and fixing things and running my
kids around. Up to Whitby Jacob for under 17
box lacrosse provincials in Ontario the rest of the week.
So thank you for today. Provincials, you can't sport, by
the way, people think it's hockey.
It's actually lacrosse is our official national sport.
Wow. Wow.
It's almost entirely of the indoor variety in Canada.
We have, you know, players who play outdoors in Western New
York. But league wise, it's all it's
all box. It's also the oldest.
Organized sport in North America.
Yeah, because the the native population played it.
That's correct. Yeah.
Raiders game very good. Thanks to you guys and for
everybody watching and listening.
We'll see you next week here on ADP Chasing Goodbye.