The fellas talked AD PS last night and now we're going to see
where these guys are going in drafts.
How far can Josh Jacobs fall? How far can Bucky go?
That's what we're going to find out in a best Ball Mania draft
today. I'm Pete with Davis and Pat no
Jacob Sanderson. He's chasing squirrels, chasing
the ruins in Peru. This is ship chasing.
Let's do it. Pat Fryer, Helmo Anita Handjob.
Fix your sight. Jamar Alpha play Chase.
You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at
this point. You're right.
All right, how are we doing, fellas?
You guys said right before we went live that a new Josh Jacobs
update has hit the timeline. What is it, Davis?
So his lawyer just released a statement rap sheet tweeted this
out quote. We are extremely pleased that
Josh has been released from custody and that no criminal
charges have been filed against him.
As we previously stated, we encourage everyone to keep an
open mind while the matter is fully reviewed.
We remain confident once all evidence is gathered and
evaluated, it will confirm no charges should be brought
against Josh in the future. So my first instinct was that
it's gone. It's it's done, it's over that
then then Karain said no. So I at the end of that is
probably right. Pat is Pat is probably correct
that it's not like over over. Sorry, yeah, I muted.
It's not over. And Trico was sharing a a
release from the district attorney's office.
That's basically like, it's kind of like this is something that
they do. They they said the standard for
arrest is probable cause. When the District Attorney's
Office makes a decision to issue criminal charges is bound to
apply a higher standard, that is whether there is admissible
evidence available that rises to the level of proof beyond a
reasonable doubt. The decision to issue criminal
charges is a responsibility that Brown County District Attorney's
Office takes seriously. Therefore, it is common for
office to review referrals where law enforcement has made a
mandatory arrest for domestic abuse, but our office chooses to
release the individual from custody and request further
investigation before making a formal charging decision.
So it seems like this is not, you know, like he's in the
clear, but it is good that they don't have this open and shut
case against him to where they, they filed charges immediately.
So I, I think it's bullish, but not, you know, it, it's, we're
still, we're, we're still waiting to see.
So was he released on on bail or just the because?
He's not charged. He's not charged with anything.
He's. Not charged with anything yet.
He's. Not charged with anything yet,
so yeah, I guess I. Don't understand how you can get
arrested without being charged for anything in the first place.
I mean, you could get arrested, Yeah, you can get arrested for.
You can get arrested, you can get arrested all the time.
You can get arrested for nothing, right And.
Then they then they'd be like, actually, we shouldn't have
arrested you, but you know, sorry about that day we wasted
goodbye. Maybe you can do maybe it's a
little different. I think it's a mandatory, I
think it's a mandatory arrest on probable cause of domestic
violence in Wisconsin is my understanding.
So but they have to have a higher standard to actually
formally issue charges. But they could issue charges at
a later date. That's the thing.
Correct. Man, imagine the first fucking
offseason when we don't. When no one is arrested for for
being violent. Just imagine.
Imagine the first offseason where I like love Drew
Davenport, does good work. But imagine the first offseason
where we never have to mention Drew Davenport's name.
I mean that sucks for him. We appreciate you, Drew.
We appreciate you. But.
Hey buddy, I really appreciate you.
Like you were my go to like shout out to Drew Davenport for
like really doing the work and like doing it for free on
Twitter too. But man.
It really is. It is like there's just such a
Deja vu with all of this stuff that we do this over and over.
Like something horrific happens or is claimed to happen and then
literally nothing ever happens. And yet we have to be on high
alert because it's like, well, what if this is the time?
But but things, things even no. But even in the best ball Mani
era, things have happened. Guys have been suspended for
lengthy periods of time. But I but I like give me an
example of one that wasn't like it's been concrete of like
Jameson Williams, you know, this is like very.
Rushy Rice was suspended for six.
Games I would say. I would say Rushy Rice is
probably the the most like was we never really knew what was
going to happen until it happened up to if I remember
correctly, we didn't even know about Rashi until August.
Right, that that the the the suspension came down for six
games. And Shawn Watson missed like
multiple. Shawn Watson Well.
Even the Rashi one, right? Like the initial stuff was like
he's never going to play football again.
And then it like kept coming down.
It was like 8 to 12 weeks and then it was like he might get 6.
I remember the big one that ended up in the in in nothing
ever happening was 2021. Tyree kill was the big nothing
ever happened where like there was audio recordings, there was
photos, there was all kinds of stuff on Tyreek.
The Chiefs took Nicole Hardman at pick 40 or whatever they did
because they were like, Tyreek is going to be banned from
playing football. And then he didn't miss a snap.
Yeah, yeah. We were digging into some comps
and stuff on, you know, previous situations and it is like if he
ends up getting charged, that's like he's in a a smaller group
of players than players were stuck.
Something has come up and like he was at the guys never
actually charged. But.
But there's been guys who have never actually been charged and
still been suspended. That's true.
But those guys generally, I
mean. Jabril Jabril Preppers 20/20/24
charged. Peppers was charged.
But he was. He was.
He was acquitted, though. He was acquitted, but he was
actually never suspended. He was put on the commissioner's
exempt list because it happened in season and then he was exempt
listed for seven games. And then they decided, well,
he's now been exempt listed for more games than we typically
suspend a guy. So he's allowed to play and then
he was acquitted in January after he'd already returned to
play in November. So one of the other dudes was
Greg Hardy, who was, he was like, actually I think, I think
the charges were dropped or the charges, I forget.
I forget what happened. I think he was sentenced.
He was sentenced and then he requested a trial and then the
witness didn't show up. I think is right.
But anyway, the Panthers put him on like the I was gonna say.
A. Personal example.
List I'm gonna say didn't he miss a whole season?
He missed a whole season, but it was 'cause kind of the Panthers
were like, we're good, we're good.
And then he played the following year.
But he was suspended after the the criminal process played out.
NFL hit him with A10 game suspension, arbiter brought it
down to four and then he played for the Cowboys the following
year. So like it's just it's messy
because the NFL could look at this after like let's say
charges aren't filed and still suspend them for like 4 games.
That's that. What is so messy about it is the
exempt list and the personal conduct policy.
Now, by and large, I think in the most recent iteration of the
CBA to what? For whatever it's worth, I think
the the shield has tried to not act because let's be honest,
dude, they don't want to, They don't want to be suspended.
Guys Like it's, it's, it's messy.
It creates, you know, animosity between the NFL and the NFLPA.
Nobody gives a shit about. Addison.
Oh my God. I I, you know what?
You know what this? Year just going to be all the
same stuff from last year just all over again.
I probably, they'll probably be more about about quarterbacks.
I, I think, I think you're going to, you're going to be dealing
with a lot more quarterback stuff somehow.
But you know, you want to know the the comp that is most there
are two comps depending on how the Packers feel about Josh
Jacobs. Because if they are looking to
get out of paying Josh Jacobs his money, they can use they
could use this to do that. I don't think they're that's,
that wasn't their plan, right? Like correct.
Yeah. So I agree with you.
So the alternative comp would be Ezekiel Elliott or remember Zeke
multiple accusations. No, never, never, never even
went to court, right. But he got suspended six games.
As Shope reminded me last night on the show in the middle of the
season. He he like it was he he played
four games and then was suspended six games and then
came back. It's pretty I'm I'm leaning on
the side of nothing ever happens like Peter but I'm not at a 0
on. No, I'm, I'm well above 0, but I
think at this point it's probably less likely that
something happens then, you know, I think he's yesterday I
thought he was more likely to not get to get suspended.
Now I think he's more likely than not to not get suspended.
Yeah. But I still still there's a
pretty decent chance he does. I, I, I would say it's like, I
would say right now my probability would be like 10%,
six games, maybe 10%, two games and then the rest of that
probability 0 games. That's that's my guess.
I mean, it would basically be that there comes some more
concrete evidence that is really bad PR for the league and they
feel like they have to make a ruling.
You know, the classic there's the video, there's the photos,
something like that leaks or comes out.
That's where they really get pressure.
But otherwise, they're going to let the legal process play out.
And it sounds like this could be a long, lengthy thing.
For sure, but I mean what I would say that it was also kind
of like the Peppers ones kind of interesting because I was
talking like last night, I was talking to sacrilegious about
it. Like isn't he kind of like this?
Isn't he's in a tough spot if he's charged, like especially
because he wasn't charged today, right?
They do an additional investigation and then they like
decide to bring charges, you know, three weeks from now.
Is he up against it? Like if he isn't charged, then
he's in good shape because the NFL now has plenty of time to
like do their investigation And the whole thing's probably like,
you know, if he's never, if charges are dropped, like maybe
maybe he gets like a one or two game or, you know, maybe if they
want to bring the hammer, it's 4.
But like without any charges, you know, they'll have, you
would think time to complete an investigation into that and
we'll kind of know ahead of week 1.
But if he is charged, and if it is like in June, mid June, let's
say, then all of a sudden you need a trial to complete before,
because the NF, LS, if he's on trial for domestic violence,
he's not playing, right? Like they're not gonna, if he
'cause this, it's a felony domestic violence charge that he
was arrested for. So if he's on trial for that,
he's not playing. So can they complete the trial
1? 110 days to the start of the
season. Yeah.
So there's like the Peppers case is interesting 'cause he was
charged in October and acquitted in January, which would be about
if he was charged like today, then that would be he probably
have a. Chance of being I'm.
Gonna I'm gonna get if he's innocent.
I I'm just going to guess the way that this resolves charges,
no charges court, no court is it?
It resolves before there is a trial like he.
This is not this is not a situation.
I mean, we just don't know, you know, we just, we just don't
know. Like it to me, it's like, do
they bring charges? Right.
That's like the big, big thing. Yeah.
Because if they bring charges, these are serious charges.
So then all of a sudden you're like, you know, who knows?
Yeah, yeah. But is it?
It's interesting that they. God, I can't, I can't believe
this is like what we do on fantasy football shows now.
But like that, they dropped the DA said the evidence there was
not high enough for them to charge.
So right now they don't have anything.
If the DA doesn't have enough, then the league certainly
doesn't have enough to do anything with it.
So there would have to be new information that comes out.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they're still
putting together their investigation is the you don't
you need a, it's a a lower standard of evidence required
for arrest than for filing the charges.
So they're basically like go, get, go gather more evidence
before we're going to officially charge this dude.
But they might find enough evidence to do that.
Yeah. And I will wait for those tweets
to come, I guess. Did did either of you guys do
any drafts last night? I did.
I did a couple because I was curious.
Jacobs, I was seeing him go in the third round.
What, so he wasn't even dropping out of the third last night?
No, last night he was he was third.
I did AI did the top guy Tuesday mailbag stream right when the
charges broke and I was about 30 minutes behind and and hit him
with the gritty grabbed Jacobs in the second round saving me
from from early third Round Top guy Jacobs.
But. But but last night, yeah, he
was. He was like mid mid late 3rd.
So what tell me the the the boomerang then for your guys's
ranking, because weren't you guys were talking last night on
ADP like early fifth round, mid fifth round for it.
Now where do you? Put it I I have him late third
now. He, he just was not really like
a target for me. It was more like a eat your
veggies. And now if I'm going to eat my
veggies, I eat my veggies with a little bit of Cajun seasoning
from New Orleans, or I eat my veggies steamed in a bag with no
seasoning with Kyron Williams. What about what about steamed in
a bag with like a a bunch of seasoning cause 'cause you went
down to the Chinatown market in the in drafted Breeze Hall in
New York? It's New Jersey, so I was saying
more steamed in lake. Gross river water.
There are a lot of. Ways we got their mail in New
York too, my friend. True, we know.
We know Davis isn't riding the subway without a buddy in New
York. Correct, correct.
All right. You guys want to draft?
You want to do our where we each get 6 picks?
Yes, let's do it. Yeah, that's fun.
OK, All right, I'll hop into Bestball Mania draft.
For those of you who haven't seen us do this before, we are
gonna spin a wheel before each pick. 18 rounds, we each get 6
picks. You know, the other people can
make their case if they'd like, but ultimately whoever's name
comes up on the wheel, they get to determine the pick.
And hopefully this team turns out better than the one I
drafted yesterday on the Swole cast where I had to draft only
players on McVeigh coaching tree teams which did include Lafleur
and did include Josh Jacobs as part of.
That squad OK, let me let me actually toss this to Crane
cause the only the only thing that I gave him was I just said
he could draft Mcshanny tree offenses that those are my
instructions. It's pretty good.
Like it's not a good, Yeah. What what Peter did, what Peter
did to make it annoying was he only did head coaches.
So like, he didn't include, he didn't include.
No, wait. First of all, you're wrong.
I included Mike McDaniel, who's not a head coach.
I we only included the original 2013 Washington tree, not the
expanded universe. Which is the freaking.
League. Well, well, you did that to
yourself. I did.
Not that to Kevin O'Connell counts.
He's shanty tree. We don't believe I believe
Steiken. I believe Steiken counts.
Does he I it might No, no, sorry.
The the the the surprising one that I found when I I did
because I did that exercise myself for a video, a surprising
one. Whoever and I forgot his name,
but whoever is currently the offensive coordinator for the
Pittsburgh Steelers is a Mcshaney tree guy.
Really. Yes, yeah, down downstream of
downstream of it. What is this wheel, Peter?
He's going to be so so that you're saying that guy's going
to land on his feet when the Steelers trade for Nathaniel
Hackett. Correct.
Yeah, Nathaniel Hackett is is is on the he's the Arizona.
He's on the Cardinals, right? Yeah.
Yeah, because that's why, that's why they got a trade for him is
Rogers wants. His no my the whole thing was
the the prompt. If I can pick half the league,
it ceases to be a good prompt. The challenge has to be
something difficult, so narrowing it down to 5 or 6
teams actually made it difficult.
What's up with the badges? New badges.
Where are they now?
It's basically tiered even further.
So it's not just, you know. There are there are five
different badges the the standard badge, so it's it's
tiered out bronze, silver, gold, emerald, purple, whatever the
fuck that final cut teal. 2000 Drafts 5010 thousand 20,050
thousand 100,000 There for the emerald.
Looks like I'm rocking a yellow. What are you at, Davis?
You have to be, I gotta say, I gotta say, absolutely fucking
dunked on myself because I am also only a gold badge.
I'm a silver badge, a gold can I can you do 1 where like you, you
get the good one if you win, see.
Pat, maybe you're never gonna catch up.
You don't play dailies. You gotta play dailies.
Give me a good badge. Please I I assume because I've
only done 2 years of BRS and I do not do NBABR.
So those guys are getting what 10,000 drafts a year just in
NBABRS? 1010 thousand individual ones.
Yeah, and because they're a lot of those guys are just uploading
ranks and you know, we're manually drafting in FL teams.
Correct. But yeah, I I would have thought
you would have been at least green.
I thought you would have been at.
I'm, I'm, I'm bummed out. I'm bummed out about it.
I I feel dunked on. So who's up first?
Yeah, we're going to spin, OK. Are we doing, are we turn picks?
Because that's going to make it difficult.
We are. OK, so you know.
Davis first, just give me back the backs here.
Put put Gentie in the queue for myself.
OK, Gentie, he went. Just went give me whatever, fuck
James Cook, fine, whatever. So.
Why do you hate? James I I couldn't believe.
I couldn't believe in James Cook any less.
You just took him on our team. Yeah.
Do you not know that? Her Walker we can do Barkley.
I think you could believe in him less because you just selected
him. Well, if I take if I take Walker
there, the whole chat goes, oh, David, Judy never learns.
It's just a change, brother are. You not immune to that by now?
I'm, I'm a little, I'm a little immune to it.
Is that that's that's your heart of heart pick in that spot is is
Ken Walker. Heart of heart of hearts, Yes.
Heart of hearts. Like if I had one draft in best
ball mania for, for and that was all I got to do.
Heart of hearts. Walker, Yeah.
Who do you? Who do you pair with him in your
heart of heart? Draft there in this spot.
Heart of hearts Draft. Probably Barkley, yeah.
Is this a new bit for you, Pete? Heart of heart, the heart the
people are not going to understand, is it?
It's a hard, a hard draft. They're just going to give you a
take that they won't shut up about anyway.
What's going to happen? Well, you know, at, at this
point in our streaming careers, you know, there's seven
different levels of of meta games that are being played.
And you're trying to manage your own personal brand, your
persona, your portfolio. And so it's trying to dig at the
core of if Davis wasn't dealing with any of those things and the
one draft, you got the one draft, what are you actually
doing? There and and and that is my
heart of hearts, no bit not managing portfolio like whatever
like truly like what I expect to happen if I'm trying to make
money is Kenneth Walker at the Kenneth Walker right.
After well, this is what I would say isn't the dream in Kansas
City for Kenneth Walker is for him to do what James Cook has
done? About three years in Buffalo,
yeah. Except James Cook has a
quarterback who scores 15 rushing touchdowns a year like
Kenneth Walker could. This is so annoying because this
shit's going to get clipped and thrown back at me.
I mean, he could legitimately. It won't.
If you stop pressing. This is going to be clipped now.
It's for sure going to get clipped.
I, I just am, I'm gun shy about. I'm obviously a little gun shy
to. I mean, he could legitimately
score like 23 touchdowns if the Chiefs decide that's what they
want to do. Like if, like if Andy Reid, if
Andy Reid decides that that Kenneth Walker is as good of a
short yardage runner as Kareem Hunt and he also gets like his
normal the Ken Walker stuff cuz he's Ken Walker, then Ken Walker
can like just just be a total fantasy football anomaly.
Can you pull up the cycle? I want to see where where Josh
Jacobs is showing now cuz I we have new Sims gone.
We're scrolling. We're scrolling.
Is that far down? Far down.
Waddle and Devante Adams behind
Bucky, who might not even play until next.
I ran new Sims today with the, you know, updated more bullish
odds for him, so we'll see. Well, what?
What was it? What was it doing last?
Night it's also it's it's for us.
We have two running backs so this isn't like a clean look at
it. OK, let's spin again.
We start. Davis grabs Cook.
I grabbed Barkley. Pat, you were gonna have this
next pick. And then let's see who has the
pick in the fourth round. Looks like it is going to be oh
double Pat or Davis double Pat. Double pat 2 Pats they're
calling him. All right, let's see here.
Josh Allen falling in this draft a little bit.
I feel like I've been seeing him go.
Early in the recent. Drafts.
Yeah, Josh Allen is here. Kick Likes is refreshing.
Jovante and Zay doesn't like Allen and Cook.
Let's do Tedoroa. OK.
See, that's, that's funny because I, I just always snap
Josh in this spot because I'm going to have so little of him
that my only chance of getting him is to take him in these
falling spots. You just said you don't like it.
Yeah. I'm just fading Josh Allen this
year. Foley.
Yeah, basically, let me, let me take say, let's take say.
Well, what about 'cause I, you know, it's the age-old thing,
right? The the negative single game
correlation between Cook and Allen.
Obviously you get the the positive season long
correlation. Do you, I assume, would The Sims
have liked Allen there if we didn't have Cook Pat?
I mean, it's Allen is really like swimming against the
current, right? It's an uphill battle for Allen
because you have the ability to like skip quarterback here and
then potentially get Lamar Jackson at the next turn or get
Jaden Daniels or get, you know, I mean, if you probably not
going to reach for like the Drake Mays on on that side, the
other side of the board. But it's just like I, I don't
know it, it's, it's really hard to justify Allen even a 3-4 turn
with with Cook. I think he probably got boosted
there with Cook, not her. You can.
You can get Lamar Jackson at the 5-6 turn.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
No, I'm I don't think I've selected Josh Allen maybe once
with a with a Co manager, but I am just thinking through like am
I going to be on the paddock stream of a full fade or am I
going to have a comfy 4% exposure blanket?
I just, yeah, I mean, I'm kind of with like Jacob usually makes
this case not me, but you know, it's like, what if I mix in, you
know, like a few? I guess if I was going to hedge
it and maybe I would like take Josh Allen on a couple like high
stakes teams so that if like, you know, in a small sample of
teams he does something that'd be a higher chance of it like
mattering to me. But it's like tough for me to be
like, yeah, I'm going to like have like 2% of Josh Allen
across, you know, this portfolio where I just think he's not a
good pick. It it cost what certainly at the
four O 4 it's it's it's at least easier, but.
I mean, four O 4, I think he's a jam.
I think he's a jam if you're taking him over a Mecca, Ibuko.
Yeah, I get. It I mean there for sure what I
think we I don't remember what show it was, but I think we
talked about it at the beginning of drafting season at some
point, which is like how how why did Josh Allen end up here?
Like why is his PR team so much I?
Don't know. Lamar's PR team.
Well, I mean, Lamar had a really rough season last year and kind
of flopped in some big spots, but Allen was was not scoring
well down the stretch either. So that's the part I don't get
Like the last time we needed Josh Allen for fantasy, he like
didn't show up. So that that's that's the part
that's strange to me. He wasn't, it's not like Josh
Allen would like one people leagues.
He kind of lost people leagues if you were starting him in the
the fantasy playoffs. Yeah, but he had the 50 point
game in the regular season, so. All right, Pat's blown his load
early. He's going to be halfway done
with his picks after Round 5. Which is, which is great,
because that means Dijon Stribbling's not going to be on
the team. And I go next.
No, I need one pick David I. I was going to say, I've been,
I've been taking, I've been taking a lot of Stribling
actually. The funny thing is I'm not
taking that much stribling now because he's like in the one
60s, because it's because it's. Appropriately priced.
He's I was like going nuts when he's in the two hundreds, like
this is crazy. That that's how touting works.
You pound the table at 1 price, the price changes and then
you're like, why did this? Why are people taking it this?
High. We don't.
We don't hate players, we hate
prices. No, I'm not.
I'm not complaining that he rose.
I'm just saying like, I'm not. Actually.
I never wanted to be the Stribbling guy, you know?
All right, Pat, this one's you. Rome.
Rome.
I like, I like getting Rome now in the at the 5-6.
I think it's. I think it's pretty fun.
Yeah, it's it's. Totally.
It's totally fine, but it it. I wouldn't call it fun.
I'm. Going to grab Christian.
I think it's borderline fun. Christian Watson's also nice.
We're debating if Rome is a fun pick or not.
I think in the sixth round or the very end of the 5th Rome
Roma Dunze qualifies as fun. I for me it's like more
cromulent. I don't know if I I feel joy.
I I'm concerned, I'm concerned that at the end of the season
our our guy Roma Dunze is going to get fitted with his actually
never been good badge that. That I have a little concern
about that too. Yeah, yeah, but but I also think
I get a chance to get exposure to a Bears offense that's, you
know, generally pretty pricey, correct.
And I might get the guy who leads the the team in routes,
you know, and. He'll probably lead, probably
lead the he'll probably lead the team in routes.
He could lead the team in touchdowns if variance just goes
his way. Because like, the thing you have
to remember is a ton of the good stuff that Caleb did last year
was off script, right? Like it was, it was, it was
like, I'm running, I'm running. I made a guy miss and I flung
the ball 65 yards down the field and hope for something good to
happen. And something good did happen.
The Doonesday is probably more likely to be on the receiving
end of those than Burden, and certainly more likely to be on
the receiving end of those than Loveland, who's just going to be
closer to the line of scrimmage in general.
Yeah, is an outside wide receiver.
I think he's probably well positioned for the, you know,
Rome's down there somewhere targets.
Rome's, yes, correct. Yeah, Rome's down there
somewhere. James Cook, Barkley, Tedder,
Roy, Azay Flowers, Roma Doonesay, Christian Watson.
I do like these starts from the from the back half where.
You get the the it's, it's if you're not going to, if you're
not going to get a top three pick, just give me, you know,
give me the the 11 or the 12 because the, the 11-12 starts
are so sick. You can get Gente, you can get
Jefferson, you can get Lamb sometimes you can get St.
Brown. I did just notice A.J.
Brown went 14th here. Yeah, there's a.
Few of these, I mean as far as like the round two guys or round
one and round two Genti's the other one that I see like a wide
range. Like there's guys who love Genti
that'll take him like one O 5. Yeah, I've seen that, yeah.
Yeah, and and A.J. Brown, who who else in these top
2 rounds has the biggest like band for their ADP distribution?
Jefferson has a little bit of a band like I've seen.
McBride is a huge I. I've seen McBride go 14.
I've seen McBride go 30. Yeah, that's a good one.
Henry. Henry.
Henry Chase Brown has a band. Yeah.
He went really early here. I guess neighbors these days
too. Neighbors for sure.
I mean, I've, I've seen Henry go at the 1-2 turn right because
you just guy, Guy logs in. He's like a fucking club, Derek.
And yeah, Silva does draft some of these, yeah.
All right, Davis, you are going to be back.
All right, well, I get to make the boring quarterback pick,
which is whatever. Well, this is the other thing
people have started doing. The Derrick Henry Chase Brown at
the 1/2 for the Week 17. Oh.
Yeah, although do you really want 2 running backs in the same
game? Yeah.
Not those two either. Maybe if they both catch passes.
Like if you were giving me, you know, H and DMC in the same
game, Sure, whatever. Will you show me the will you
show me the quarterbacks? I guess none of these are stacks
for us, huh? Nope.
So we just both go extremely on Bran Davis.
But Justin Herbert over Patrick Mahomes, I think the kick is
spoken. And Davis?
Yeah, give me, give me, give me, give me, give me Pat.
Pat Pat's sidekick top pick. No.
What are? You doing?
No, I said. Give me Pat.
What the fuck are you? Doing look at the board.
Are you going to not trust my nipple figures?
Pat, your turn all. Right, I'll do you know a guy.
I'm sorry, Davis, but let's do Harold Vanda quick.
Harold Vanda. I know, I know, Davis is going
to have a hard time with this one.
But I said it before you. So, Davis, in your heart of
hearts, you take Patrick Mahomes there every time.
No, no, I, I actually, because I frankly, if we're, if we're, if
we're being honest on these programs, frankly, I am so
worried about Justin Herbert absolutely fucking sticking it
to me in fantasy football this year.
Like a 7A7 win season but he's averaging 23 fantasy points per
game that I I'm getting closer to the 8% on on Herbert.
What would what would tilt you more?
I I guess they'd be somewhat correlated but him sticking it
to you in fantasy or him winning NFLMVP?
I actually think him winning NFLMVP is the funniest possible
outcome for the season. Can you imagine Sam Monson in
that scenario? Him him winning MVP would end up
what? If Sam votes for someone else,
that that's the best he. Does heal on his own take?
But Sam's like, I think it's Jordan love, man, I just.
Really. Jordan Love had slightly better
EPA. Like I don't know what you want
me to say. No, what what would be what
would be most funny about that would be that guys like that,
that brand of like football guy would actually say, Oh well, now
that he has a good offensive coordinator, his offensive line
is healthy, he can't win MVP. Like like the things that they
were using to argue as his team was playing like dog shit last
year to give him MVP they would no longer be impressed by.
Yeah, it'll be like Cam Ward for MVP.
Yeah. Or or who's It wouldn't be Cam
Ward because they wouldn't win enough games.
I'm trying to think of like a more obvious football guy one.
Yeah, the the Chargers weren't exactly crushing it last year
either. Nine win Titans.
Chargers. Chargers.
Are they? I mean, everyone, I'm sure, I'm
sure it's never happened before where everyone has crowned the
Chargers and the offseason is offseason.
Champions. And then they showed up and they
fucking. It's never it's.
Never once. Happened.
No, it's never happened where the Chargers have won the
offseason. It's a yeah.
So and go ahead, no. No, I was just going to say we
we talked about Patty, but any other thoughts on on pulling up
fan in there, Pat? I mostly just wanted to make a
joke, make a joke. But I do think Fannin's a pretty
solid pick there. Yeah, the the sidekick like just
double tapping quarterback, which is probably the more the
more prudent move. But Fannin's fun and yeah, I
think he's decent fit for the team where we have 4 receivers,
2 running backs. Yeah.
All right, let's spin here and see what we're going to do.
Why this is spinning. We got a 1241, just added our
first quarterback Patrick Mahomes in our first tight end,
Harold Fannon. I will have the next pick at
9:12 and let's see who has the pick at 10.
It's. Going to be amazing when Peter
has to click Savior worthy and not me.
I I like clicking Xavier Worthy. Everyone showed he what's
happened is the the negative Xavier worthy bias.
So like when I had all that Xavier worthy, it was laughing
in the face of the math. Now everyone has so much
negative. Maths on board I.
Was going to say there's so much negative Xavier worthy bias that
the math is now firmly in favor of him being a target for like
Leone will have Xavier worthy at these prices.
You're right. Yeah, he goes one O 3 here.
I mean, yeah, we were talking about it on, off and on the
clock. I mean, I'm surprised he hasn't
risen more. It's it's literally because he's
Xavier worthy. Dude.
It's it's like if, if you, if you just got to draft him as
Jalen Royals or whatever, he would, he would be higher.
Yeah. I mean, I don't think Jalen
Royals was the best example you could have used there, but.
What if if it was if it was Parker, WA?
Or something. Yeah, No, There, there.
There you go. Let's see what I'm going to do
is I'm going to take Jordan Love.
I like that stack with Christian Watson.
And then I would like to get a running back here and I'm I'm
going to also play Kenny Gainwall as a little bit of a
riser. Oh interesting, you're not
worried he's the worst pick on the board?
Who? Who said that?
Jacob Jacob about a month ago. I was going to say, did he say
that last night? I think I missed.
That no, no. And then he and then he
clarified that he was being hyperbolic.
Yes, and then and then. We did 3 weeks, 3 weeks later on
the show. He was the highest on gain well
of the three of us. He still is.
I think he was slightly higher now.
Yeah, he's higher than I am. The what now?
Now is it Chris Rodriguez is the worst pick on the board.
Well, that's when we can all get behind I'm.
Trying. I don't mean Chris Rodriguez
could mog on like 9 touchdowns. I don't know if he's the worst
pick on the. Board, I don't know did you did
you see the the quote that yeah, the no, the.
The injury report will come out eventually.
No, that's a different that's that is a a quote worth
discussing. But I was talking about coach
speak index on ARPADA on Monday shared a quote that they like
Chris Rodriguez because he keeps them in, he puts them in second
and seven. He's a guy you can count on to
get you second and seven. That's fucking.
That's fucking crazy. What a quote.
Man, yeah, he said. That was like, it was a good
thing. He's like, the thing I love
about Chris Rodriguez is he gets us to 4th and 1:00 every single
every time. And then we bring in Tooting to
move the chains. 2nd and seven is so.
Is so good. It's such a cell phone.
Well, it's just it's one of those, it's one of those
football coaches view the game in such a different way than we
do. Like second and seven is good to
them. They like that.
It's but it's like objectively bad.
It's object. Well, Crane, if you ran for
three yards every time, you'd get a first down every
possession. No, they.
But they're punting on 4th and what?
Because they're they're too. That's.
True, that's true. He says he finds ways to make
run successful or at least productive.
He finds a run a way to make run successful.
And then it means they're like, well, not always successful, but
at least productive. That may or may not look to be
productive plays by the time he's getting the ball in his
hands. And that's a rare trait for guys
at any level that will not only benefit us in the run game and
in the offense, but that benefits you in the screen game
and the play action game because now I'm in second and seven
instead of 2nd and long. They might as well just come out
and say we love the theoretical idea of Chris Rodriguez as a
running back. Like, on paper, we love this
guy. You're in. 2nd and seven.
Well, Pete, you don't. You don't watch college
football, so you don't even know this, but Chris Rodriguez was
like Liam Cohen's guy. You don't have to condescend to
me like with that anecdote, you could just say Chris Rodriguez
was Liam Cohen. Well, I know this from yesterday
when I was trying to give you a lot of hints for my my challenge
on this whole cast and none of them were landing.
There's there's only one of us on this whole cast who was good
at giving interesting challenges for the show, and it's not you
or Dave. Dave, Dave gave me a good
challenge. It was, it was, it was quite
good. You were.
You were a hater. I am all right, Davis.
And was the first one I don't even remember.
What the first one was, first one was.
Davis saying yeah, yeah, and then Pat.
All right, so we got the 2341 going.
I added Jordan Love and Kenny Gainwell.
Davis is about to be on the clock.
He is on the clock. I'll get the.
Side stick up. Oh, he just went.
Fuck, he just went. Ferguson.
Ferg Ferg, our second tight end
here. Pat is on the clock at 12/1.
Yeah, I'll do. Travis Hunter.
Yeah. That's, that's really annoying
because I was about to just give us our first stack with Stephon
Diggs and Holmes, and then he just went, that's annoying.
When Stephon Diggs like I can't, well I'm very excited for him to
sign with the Raiders. Jump up like 30 picks in ADP and
then Davis be like oh fuck I'm so fucked.
In did you? Did you?
Did you see the Chiefs just freed up $4.4 million in salary
cap yesterday? I didn't see that.
Why? Why would they be doing that?
Pat I. Mean they might need to eat
Rashi's cap hit. So they can cut him.
I I, so I, I actually believe this is true.
I would like to be corrected on this, but I, I believe that
there are generally when a player is arrested or like dies
or something like I, I remember this coming up in the Aaron
Hernandez thing. The the what's the?
Precedent for the players dying. Well, Aaron Hernandez was.
I mean, he wasn't, yeah. I mean, he'd been in jail for a
while, I think. But they're they're generally
are hardship exceptions like you, you, you.
That does not. It doesn't.
It's not always one to one against the cap.
I want to, yeah, let's let's bring in a cap expert for those
types of questions. Yeah, the first.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying I'm not
saying I I know, but I, I, I have a hunch.
I mean, this is this happens. Hardship exemption exemptions in
the NBA are 1 to 1. So if a guy misses the entire
season in the NBA, you basically get his cap dollars back for
that season. OK.
Yeah, I don't like where this is going.
It involves like someone in the Chiefs organization putting a
hit out on Rashi Rice to free up the catch.
That's a bad idea because I think like if that happened now
you're looking at like a like a John Wick situation.
You know where like that, like the final scenes, like Mahomes,
like you know, he's got like Kelsey Garden him I.
Do I do think it's I do think it's insane that Mahomes is
maniacally rehabbing his ACL injury to the point that he is
literally participating with no limitations in OTAs like four
months after tearing his ACL and his dipshit teammates cannot
just get their shit together to help him win another Super Bowl.
Like, it's got to be so frustrating.
All right, let's spin again here.
The team Mahomes and Jordan Love, James Cook, Barkley
Gainwell at running back, Ted Arroyo, Zay, Rome Watson, Travis
Hunter at wide receiver, Harold Fanon and Jake Ferguson.
Pat is going to have this next pick and this is gonna be Pat's
last pick. Davis and I have 3 and 2 picks
respectively. This next one's gonna be Davis.
How, how many how many rounds would a draft have to be before
the sidekick would recommend me Taekwon Thornton?
I think in FFPC in the 28 round drafts he's popping up towards
the end in the mix. Good, good to know.
Just the just the sidekick workout FFPCI was gonna say.
I was like, that's news to me. Is that is that like an API tech
tech issue? Yeah, it's it'd be, Yeah.
We'd have to build out additional support.
Yeah. You know, I don't know, it would
just. Pick It's Pat Pat's last pick
here. Let me go Taiji all.
Right. Are you or Yeah, let's let Davis
do this pick. Brian Robinson, junior.
Yep, he's another guy I'm surprised hasn't moved up more.
I it's, it's one thing that it doesn't matter how many times
the math Rose explained to me why the handcuffs are bad picks.
It's that sign doesn't bother me because I can't read like the
sidekick. The the sidekick is very adamant
not to take those guys. Easy has been doing some Sims
and it's like, hey, never take these guys they're zeros and I'm
just like I get it, but why imagine?
Why would we think Brian Robinson is a 0?
This is the same team that gave Algier plenty of non 0 work.
I mean, even if you give him 400 yards and four touchdowns.
I mean, to be honest, it's not the same team.
Like, I mean, the the coaches are completely different and and
I think Algiers probably better than Brian Robinson too.
And it wasn't a good thing to it was not smart to be giving those
judges to Algier. They should.
Have been agreed, agreed on, agreed on all counts.
Which is why I said that sign doesn't bother me because I
can't read. Yeah, I guess I would just say
I, I don't think it's cut and dry that he's like a DJ Giddens
level 0. Oh for yeah.
I mean, he's he's like Brian Robinson.
Junior got 97 rushes for the 49ers last year.
It's probably how many he's going to get this year if if
Bijan does not go down, but he is I would I would argue that
after Blake quorum, he is the clearest guy in the entire NFL
that if the starter goes down he is getting 21 touches a week.
Name name the Falcons running back three right now.
I, I dare both of you, it's. Probably like someone who's been
on the take cast before. No, I have no fucking clue.
I have. No, it's my job.
I have no idea. I don't know, Is it like a, a
Michael Carter? Ass Who's that guy that.
I'm telling you, I literally don't know Peter.
I know and I'm just playing along.
According to our lads, it is. Tyler Goodson I was right on
Carter, but it's it's. Actually not the worst guy it
could have been who I was trying to think of that that big
fullback dude that they. Quadre Ollison who they had for
like 900 years. Knowing it was wrong, I still
wanted to guess Quadre Ollison, but I couldn't think of his
name. So point being is like the the
thing that you you can model this, which is, you know,
basically percentage of a time a running back suffers a season
ending injury, percentage of time a running back suffers a
four week injury, whatever. And then what those points are
worth for Brian Robinson junior? All I would say is that I don't
know how much I trust the modeling based on.
I don't know if prior injury data is clean enough in terms of
a large enough sample to trust it inherently.
But further than that, just in like running back is so thin
anyway like after like pick, I don't know what would.
You have to well, this is partly why I don't think we've seen in
the sidekick is, is that like generally the sidekicks like
hey. Done at running backs.
Seems like you want to make this team about getting Brian
Robinson later. What if we didn't do that?
Yeah.
Yeah, that that's probably like the biggest thing with the
sidekicks, like kind of not becoming dependent on a Brian
Robinson type of pick. And then the other thing is that
the sidekick does have a pretty strong preference for, you know,
guys that have the potential for standalone value in a in a real
way where I think Dylan Sampson was was showing up there,
Robinson wasn't. Samson could have like a pretty
decent pass catching role and you do get contingent value.
So it's like, you know. I I think.
Samson Materialize. I think Samson is a good pick
too. The thing that I am, I don't
even know if I disagree, but just the the way that I am
playing the the strategy that I'm applying to my own drafts is
I'm going to have way more of these shitter running backs at
the end versus the shitter wide receivers.
I'm going to have more Brian Robinson junior than Denzel
Boston. Probably I I'm going to have
more Adam Randall than Elijah Sarath.
Which is definitely the opposite of like what the meta and how
people are generally building teams.
Most people are taking wide receivers there.
I don't mind you have this next pick.
Yeah. Is Ted Hurst available?
No. Here Is he gone.
Wait, he Nope, he went yeah. Show me, show me tight end.
Oh, give me gunner helm. Give me Gunner Helm.
You want tight end 3 gunner helm here.
All right, I will. I love the Sidekick suggestion
here because first of all, Wisconsin Dells.
I love stack and my guy tank.
Capitulated. I capitulated on Wisconsin
Dells. You had no choice it be, it was
just stuck in your head like you didn't have it stuck in my.
Head I'm not ever gonna. That's the one I remembered the
most. Now it's the easiest one for me
to remember. It it really is the here you
poke you, you smoke 1 Wisconsin Dells cigarette and you're like,
yeah. You.
Smoke the whole fucking pack and you will always remember that
experience. Yeah, you made me help.
You made me smoke the whole pack.
One St. Dude, I'm still getting comments
on that short of people like they're they're all these,
they're all comments like my family and I spent a lovely
summer in the. Wild people love Wisconsin Dell.
My my wife has a very good story about the Wisconsin Dells.
Her sister, two older sisters, got to go to Italy for a month
for like an exchange program through their school.
And instead of going to Italy for a month with the mom, she
and her little brother got to go to the Wisconsin Dells for a
weekend. That was her.
Italy of America, we went to the Olive Garden to really simulate
the experience. Oh man.
All right, two more picks. We got a 2563 Mahomes in love at
quarterback, James Cook, Barkley, Gainwell, Spears, Brian
Robinson At running back, six wide receivers, Ted Arroyo, Zay
Rome, Christian Watson, Travis Hunter, Tank Dell Ultimately
Jake Ferguson, Gunner, Helm. So ultimately this is the trade
off that I'm making that Shady's math disagrees with that the
percentage chances that your tank Dells, your Chris Bells,
your Trey Harris's, your Chris Brazos, your whatever that the,
let's call it 40% probability of the money weeks.
These guys are projecting for meaningful half PPR points,
right? Like what is what is what is
Leone going to have Chris Brazzo for assuming he wins 70% of the
routes? What's like his week 15
projection 9.8. So that sounds fair.
That would. Be pretty bullish.
Yeah, that, that sounds fair. So I'm saying that I think
getting another getting my getting another wide receiver 4
on my collection of shitty wide receiver fours on a given team,
even if that happens at a greater frequency the the money
in my opinion, which is mathematically wrong as
everyone's telling me getting the one in 10 chance that Brian
Robinson, Dylan Sampson, Sean Tucker, James Conner, whoever
getting them projecting for 13 1/2 in the playoff weeks, which
they will right. James Connor is a starting
running back for someone he's going to project for more points
than Chris Brazil or Brian Robinson junior is going to
like. Brian Robinson Junior, if he
starts a week for Atlanta, is going to be projected for 14
points. Maybe more.
Some teams, you're going to need the spike week from the rookie,
yeah. It's not, it's not like I'm not
taking any of these guys. And it's not like I'm doing it.
I'm not doing it religiously. I'm not doing it every time.
The problem is that you're looking at, you know, a lot of
these teams where you like did it you you drafted an awesome
team and then all you need actually is like 14 points.
Yeah, right. Something that a guy projecting
for 9.5. I'm probably.
The guy protecting for like 3 1/2 points is not going to get
you that. I I am probably drafting a
little bit less of these really really running back heavy teams
than the sidekick users. Like 4 running backs through six
round type stuff. But those running back teams,
most of those teams, if you just go, you know, top guy all the
way, you stop it four, stop it 5.
So there's not 100%. I do have teams that are like.
Give can you show me the running back tab real quick?
Yeah, give me is Kaylin Black there?
Give me, give me, give me Jordan James.
No, whatever. Give me Wix.
Actually give me Wix. That's.
More fun. Just click it.
I know I did. I was looking for the running
backs. It this.
It was so funny because you just talked about how I want to take
the running backs here in the full cycle.
It was just all wide receivers in.
Your legs. Wix.
Wix is. Wix is which is fun cuz we have
the cuz we have the the teammate stuff.
You know what? Just just because I like a good
bit, if we're gonna have an extended conversation about
Chris Brazil, let's do it here. Let's.
He's he's like over. He's like overwhelming the guy
that I'm taking because I'm like, this is the same thing as
Denzel Boston, but Denzel Boston's a 14 round pick.
Yeah, I think Brazil's a solid pick for sure.
The so last night I decided I I did JSN and then Drake London
and A.J. Brown in the in the third and
then I was like I was like you know what?
I'm kind of lean into this and do like a true 0 running back
team. I went Waddle Adams, then Drake
May, then Mackay Lemon and I grabbed Harold Fanon and then I
so I don't have a running back through 8 rounds.
I end up with Dobbins, Jonathan Brooks.
I took Kincaid. Then I took Jonah Jonah Coleman,
who I I KB to just to be like, let me just get a Broncos guy.
Let me let me see if I can get Broncos, not, you know, bet
against Harvey. Then I took Keaton Mitchell.
I ended up attacking on Emma Johnson and Katron Allen.
I wanted Nick Singleton. He got sniped.
But the way I was playing it is I was like thinking like, what
if we're wrong about, you know, some of these running backs and
these are like not total, total dart throw long shots like an
AK, Tron Allen, like that's fairly open backfield.
Emma Johnson's got a path to being the the pass catching guy
for the Chiefs. Keaton Mitchell's have been
talking him up is having a role. I've got 2 running backs from
the Broncos. I just need RJ Harvey to suck.
Jonathan Brooks is kind of like the 0 running back guy in the
double digit round still. So I was like, when I'm thinking
about, OK, I'm going to go against the math a little bit
here and and kind of force and, you know, the psyche was like
top guy was JK Dobbins because I hadn't hadn't drafted a running
back. You know, it kind of it kind of
like boxed it in a little bit early.
So then I was like beating me some of these running backs.
I don't see a ton of later. And I, but I was thinking about
it more like ambiguity, like guys who I actually would be
drafting higher later this summer as opposed to just
banking on injuries throughout the season when I don't have any
running backs that that's those are the profiles that appeal a
little bit more to me, which, you know, is more like Taiji
Spears, Dylan Sampson, those types of guys, Sean Tucker,
those guys where it's like not purely contingent, they could
actually matter. Of course, of course, those are
better bets. The guys like the the Emma
Johnson's, the Adam Randall's, the Keaton Mitchell's like of
course, I absolutely agree. I mean, this is this is
something that we've been talking about with our FFPC
teams for years that you know, we have so many of these dead
weight guys that we don't want to cut on a lot of our teams.
I mean famous like Keaton Mitchell is going to become one
of one of them. But you getting guys who like
can grab us 9 points in a week. I mean, not so probably it
should be very interesting to see what our group strategy is
going to be this year in the main event because if we kind of
had one very dominant strategy in years past and I'm not sure
how viable it's going to be, but well.
The prices are a little different over there.
I think so. I just did.
I just did my first 350 the other day and and I actually, I,
I did not take a running back into the fourth round and I
ended up loving my running backroom.
So it is a little bit different. But yes, like, like even even
someone like Rashad White, who like, I hate, I hate that guy.
But if you are going to do these early wide receiver builds,
Rashad White is kind of the Chris Brazil of running backs.
We're like, I might just need 9 1/2 points in a given week.
Yeah, and and Rashad White can maybe eke me out 9 1/2 points.
The other thing about this team? Oh good.
Oh no, I was just going to say he's like a throwback to that.
I always reference Naheem Hines, but that guy you could plug in
that would give you the reception floor and allow the
chaos of the season to propel one of your handcuffs or rookies
the end of the line up. They're just there's not as many
of those guys anymore to do that with.
Yeah, the other thing with this, this team and some of the when I
do, you know, go 0 running back or or you know, maybe hero
running back and have a thinner running back room.
This team was 3 quarterbacks, 3 tight ends in and it was a
basketball mania team. And you know, I had Drake May
and and Herald fan, so a fairly early guy at each position and
it still went 3 onesies, you know, with each onesie.
So I think like it is, I think one thing the math is kind of
pointing to this year is like it is, at least right now.
Maybe there's guys we start to get excited about.
But like it's like, hey, you're probably not going to be awesome
at running back. You didn't take any running
backs and so it's going to be hard for you to be awesome at
running back. So what if you are awesome
everywhere else? And then yeah, it would be great
if like Jonathan Brooks is an absolute league winner.
But even if he's not, you can kind of like keep pace and then
you're like, you're winning. The team's winning because of
the other three positions. So it's not just completely
dependent on wide receivers because you are probably giving
up ground at running back. Let's do a quick post mortem on
this team. 2583 Mahomes Love Cook Barkley gainwell Spears
Brian Robinson Ted Royes a Rome Watson Hunter Dell Wicks Brazil
Titans fannin Ferguson helm naked Patrick Mahomes.
I guess the other thing I would say in retrospect, would you
guys flip this to A3 quarterback build if you could?
Like say we took Herbert instead of Fannin I guess Obviously it
tilts like where stuff ends up, but how do you guys feel about
this build? It's probably a little stronger
if I go Herbert instead of fan in there, yeah.
I, I am, I'm kind of, I'm kind of woke to Jordan love this
year. Like I, I think a lot of what
they have been telegraphing is that they would maybe like to
tilt a little bit more pass heavy, like a little bit more, a
little bit more aggressive, right?
Because that's, I mean, that's how they flamed out last year
was they, they tried to lean on the run like they they've done
so much of limiting Jordan love over over time and.
I'll see it when I believe it. Yeah, I'll see it when I believe
it. I well, what I what I see.
It when I believe it. What I what I think is the the
genesis of that is the fact that they really only have the three
wide receivers like I, I think that signal.
No, I think the genesis that Matt Lafleur is kind of a
coward. Well, he is, but I what I'm
saying, the genesis of me believing that is just in their
roster construction. That is a huge departure of
approach for what they've done for the entirety of the Lafleur
era. Yeah, Lefleur, I think he he
designs a a great offense, it's efficient.
And then he plays a very conservative brand of football
that leaves a lot of meat on the bone.
And like you can say you're over that.
But like, I think that's kind of who you are if you if you've
done it this long. And there's something like Kevin
O'Connell tends to play like a, a more aggressive brand of
football and like pretty consistently has for years.
So I kind of trust that to be who he is, you know?
It's like kind of hard for you to just like switch that type of
stuff up. I think I would like them to.
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm skeptical.
Pat how many I I know you had probably a bunch in the pre
draft stuff too but with the sidekick liking Mahomes a good
bet I guess it like it preferred Herbert over him that spot.
But are are you going to end up with a ton of naked Mahomes or
unstacked? Mahomes I'm definitely, yeah,
I'm definitely an absent naked Mahomes.
I mean, I think the thing, one thing with it is like so I did
yesterday. I did 2 top guy Tuesday teams in
a row just you know, straight top guy all the way.
And the first one was naked Mahomes and people were like
dude, what about stacking what's going on?
And then the next one I got my home.
I had Rashi Mahomes, Xavier Worthy and Kelsey all on the
team and I ended up with with stack strout and stacks Gina
Smith with Garrett Wilson. So it just, it kind of like
basically I think what The Sims are saying is like the Holmes is
a smash where he's going, he's probably not going to go.
This is more me saying this, but he's probably not going to go
here all summer because he's clearly like on track to play
Week 1. He could have a set back or
whatever. It's not 100%, but he's just a
great pick. And you have the chance to
backstack him with Xavier Worthy and Travis Kelce.
Yeah. And I think it's a it's like
it's a worthwhile play. You're not going to you're not
going to have it land for you every time, but like you can sit
there and get worthy and Kelsey after you take Mahomes without
reaching like a decent amount of the time.
And when you do, those teams are going to be pretty sweet.
If if Mahomes have this has a season he's capable of you know
and and beats the ADP as much as he can.
I wonder though, if you know, so we took Mahomes at pick 84 and
just knowing that the Worthy ADP and the Kelsey ADP are on the
other side of the board and they would have to fall a pretty good
bit for you to get them at these picks.
Like I think if you really gained out where you're taking
Mahomes, I think it just works so much better.
Kelsey was available to us. I mean, if we wanted Kelsey, we
wanted to reach. 127 We would have had to take him out. 109
Yeah, you're right, You're right.
I'm saying you have to pull these guys way up if you take
Mahomes on that side of the board.
Well, you know, in fairness, we IKB to to Mahomes there Herbert
was the that's the top recommendation.
So yeah, I mean. You.
So are you setting up, are you setting up Trey Harris or
Gadsden there most of the time? Probably Gadsden.
Yeah, yeah, I take, I take a lot of, I take a lot of Gadsden.
I'm I'm not that afraid of of David and Joku.
Yeah, yeah, the I mean, the other thing is like, I don't
think that The Sims definitely don't have a problem with builds
like this where we have you know, we we have Mahomes, we end
up with a stacked love, you know, we could have had Herbert
and back stacked him where you're like, yeah, like maybe
it's just good to get Patrick Mahomes, you know, way under
priced. And then like we'll figure we'll
figure it out. You know, ideally we have a, a
stack that blows up later, but this dude adds a lot of points.
So, you know, he can still be the best pick there.
As again, it's like stacking, as we've always talked about, it's
like, hey, it's a, it's more of a tiebreaker.
And like, what if it's not a tie?
You know? And I think Mahomes, at least
with, with the way we, we have it, like Mahomes is often like
not a tie. He's just like a really, really
good pick where he goes. And yeah, so I have a bunch of
Mahomes. I think he's probably my highest
drafted guy. Yeah, he's my highest drafted
player right now. I don't expect him to be nearly
as high of a percentage as I have currently, but that's
because I think the market probably stops letting me have
him at this price at some point. Davis, are you in on the homes
at this price or is it? Just no one in your heart.
Alerts. It's I just find this this
Mahomes thing very funny because it's so tied to the fact that
they were bad in terms of win losses last year.
Like you can't find a a chiefs buyer outside of people who are
serious about projecting fantasy football.
But like the the vibes based drafters are out.
Vibes based drafters are out. They do not want Mahomes.
They don't want Rice. They don't want where they don't
want Kelsey math based for like for the first time in my life,
math based drafters are all in and it's the vibes based
drafters who are out, which I just think is very funny.
Well, shout out to Rashi Rice for keeping the vibes.
Piss poor. The vibes.
Math Yeah, I I was actually going to ask you guys a version
of this, Inconsiglator says. Are there any guys that weren't
taken that we think need to be taken in every draft?
I was going to ask, like with the Brazil stuff and we
mentioned Hearst rising, guys like Jeremy Bernard going in
every draft. At what point are you guys going
to start thinking about ownership percentages for some
of these back end rookie wide receivers specifically?
Not yet. I mean, the contest's only 16%
full, I think. Yeah, not, yeah, not for a
while, not for a couple months. Probably what what I think when
I think we'll start thinking about it is when we get to like
real training camp and Bill's beat writers are like, oh, dude,
Skyler Bell's just going to play.
Or the Ravens beat writers are like Jacoby Lane is like clearly
going to beat out Rashad Bateman.
To be honest, I don't think I'll really be thinking about the
ownership percentage of the wide receivers so much.
Like I certainly, if they're like Jacoby Lane's going to be
Rashad Bateman, then I'll want to take Jacoby Lane because he's
a good pick. But it's like, you know, he's
not necessarily be like some huge smash.
He's just like, oh, this is a good way to use my 17th or 16th
round pick now. But it's probably more the
running backs that weren't drafted that are like, Oh my
God, like this guy, this guy's a chance to be like a straight up
league winner. And he wasn't drafted for much
of the contest. So it it probably more is the
running backs. Yeah, and I agree with you guys
that it's we still have a ways to go until that becomes
remotely relevant. But like let let's say these
contests did you know lock in a week or you're playing in some
of the time box. Like I just even searched, you
know Bell on the ETR projected ownership and it's Chris Bell
has an 89% estimated ownership, Skylar Bell's at 27% right now.
I mean, there's gonna be some spots like that that I think are
gonna look pretty drastic as far as who's the better target in
the vacuum. One guy that like it's I mean, I
definitely have a bit of a bias here.
You know, we have a clip for Greg Dulcich, but but he's
someone where I'm like, you know, he doesn't get drafted a
lot and could be the number one target on his team.
I. I like Greg Dulcich more than
Malik Washington, that much is for sure.
Yeah, so I mean, I I struggle with Dulcich because it's like
the floor is like definitely it's low for a few reasons.
Like they could, they could just be really, really bad.
They could be really, really bad and not throw the ball.
And then like Dulcich was kind of on his way to being
completely out of the league before he revived himself a
little bit last year and he could get phased out reasonably
easily. But there's like pretty good
upside for him from the from a tight end perspective.
And he's often not drafted. So yeah, he's someone I he's
probably like more so than the wide receivers.
I think he's the one that I'm like, yeah, I'm going to, the
math doesn't fully support me on adults.
It just supports me like halfway.
I I I like mixing him a little bit more than.
It it seems like such a good way to play the Dolphin stuff right
where it's like you don't really want to stack Malik Willis or go
out of your way to do it. But if you were going to get
correlation it would be with a super cheap piece that one of
the lowest scoring positions like that though that stack
seems like the way to play correlation with with Miami.
Yeah. I mean, I think like naked
Dulcich too, You're like, hey, you know what's helpful if like,
he ends up having like a 23% target share, like, you know,
for free, for free and not 100% drafted.
But yeah, we don't always get him all the time because
sometimes it's like he he's useless.
He's their number one target and useless.
And sometimes he's like on his couch.
Yeah. We got one from dreaming of
Sunday's here, are we not? A little worried about Mahomes
rushing production coming off an injury?
Five points per game from rushing last year.
Think his career average is closer to three points per game.
Thoughts to the Mahomes Bulls? The Mahomes running is a symptom
of a sick offense. If you see Mahomes running 7 * a
game, it means that Andy Reid is not doing his job.
Rashi Rice is not doing his job. Xavier Worthy is not doing his
job. Travis Kelsey is not doing his
job. If you guys think those
collected group of men are not going to do their jobs this
year, you shouldn't be drafting Mahomes.
You should be doing something else with your money and your
time. That's not what I think, but
you're a lot of opinions that you can find out there on on the
Internet. I just think like, think about
Mahomes from the perspective of being ahead of schedule or
behind schedule for the fantasy playoffs, not for week 1.
And like, this dude is like, super, super ahead of schedule
for being Mahomes again in the fantasy playoffs.
And that's where I really care about, you know, is he going to
have some rushing juice or not? I think it'll be fine.
Also think about think about Mahomes as like greatest fantasy
games. They've not been.
They've not been with 111 rushing yards.
It's been. It's been 4046 pass attempts, 32
completions, 333 passing yards, 4 passing touchdowns.
The other thing is that like, they have Eric the enemy now and
you've got Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, like in a league that's
kind of more and more like moving towards like, you know,
the tight end meta. You got to play four of them,
dude. Why even have a receiver on the
field? Dude, why even have a running
back on the field? What about 05 personnel?
Have you thought about it, brother you?
Go goal line set on the 50. They got to play the run.
You pass that on dude, No one sees it coming.
You know the Chiefs aren't doing that.
The Chiefs are still the God damn the Chiefs.
The Chiefs. Would dead ass.
They would dead ass rather play Juju Smith Schuster than Noah
Gray, bro. Yeah.
I mean, they probably will do that.
So yeah, I mean. Buddy, buddy, they will they.
I I saw I saw a good video Juju Smith Schuster working out in
his Chiefs gear yesterday. They got to take that chief
scare away from him. It's like I.
Believe he's on the team. I I think he's on the team.
That's crazy. Actually, I I think Mahomes is
kind of a bad pick. I'm wrong.
Juju.
Juju technically not on the team right now.
All right. Good.
I'm still we're back in on
Mahomes. We're back in.
People, people I I know nothing about him so don't take this for
me. I've seen people tell me this
Cyrus Allen guy is good. Not not sure I'm buying it but
but people say. That I just had a jump scare
seeing Jalen Royals name because I had not thought about him
since last draft season. I I believe Jalen Royals
actually holds an NFL record. It's most amount of orbit routes
ran without receiving a target I I think.
I think he was averaging about 6 orbit routes per game.
No targets ever. Oh my goodness.
Yeah, I mean, I think if you want to, if you want to think
about Mahomes as being not fully Mahomes to begin the season, you
know, there's still being some chance he doesn't even play in
week 1. Like then you're thinking like
I'm thinking that's like that's how we have it in the sidekick.
And he still shows up as a as an absolute smash because you know,
he the the money weeks are for aren't for a long time and you
know, everything's tracking. Really nice, I do have I do have
some breaking news on the program.
Josh Jacobs is back in jail. No, Stephon Diggs just liked
Patrick Mahomes's most recent Instagram post.
My. God, was it was it of Mahomes
slightly bending his arms with the weight on his back?
He's he's got, he's doing the same workout.
So the post is just a. Him working out.
Mahomes. Yeah, playing, playing football,
all right, the haters told. Maybe, maybe takes just a golf
fan, you know? The haters, the haters told me
it wasn't happening, man. The haters.
The haters told me he's not playing.
Yet no, it it really is. It's just like it's the dude who
likes every girl's Instagram post thinking that it's actually
flirting. He's also he's also liking all
of Drake May's post. He's liking Fernando Mendoza's
post. He's played the field for sure.
God Digs and Mendoza would just be such a funny combo.
Dido would be way better though. I mean digs is this notorious,
you know, ladies man. Of course there's the infamous
Vikings locker room video. He strikes me as someone who
more slides into the DMS then even the likes.
Like what are the messages sending to these guys privately?
You me, imagine. That's hard.
It's hard. I mean, imagine what?
Imagine what's. Those legs are not good for
women. Imagine.
What he would say to be on the Chiefs?
Like imagine Stefan Diggs in the scam role that Rashi Rice is in.
Like let's say Rashi gets suspended and Diggs gets those
scams. I mean, he could get another
contract, he could get one year, $10 million from the Chiefs.
Then he could scam another team after an 1100 yard season, just
like $30 million available for. Him still where?
Where does digs as ADP end up if he signs with the Chiefs?
Seventh round, right about right about where he was going in the
big board. Seventh round.
That's where, I mean, that's where he was going.
That's where he was going. Yeah, right.
When he was still on the Patriots, they weren't linked to
A.J. Brown, they hadn't seen Roman
dodge and they hadn't cut digs. Dude, I think here's the thing,
Davis is absolutely right. If the rice stuff goes really
bad and digs signs there, if the rice stuff holds serve and digs
signs, then maybe it's like ninth round.
But. Yeah, if the rice, if it, if
they OK, yes, that's it's it's more like, it's more like where
QJ goes now. Yeah, but if the rice stuff goes
South and they sign digs, yeah, seventh round.
If if the sure I'm thinking that rice is, you know, still
involved, you know, and it's kind of like the the.
We know. We've seen your free Rashi Rice
signs. We we know.
What you say about this? The people were worried I was
gonna get arrested. They asked for a sidekick promo
if free Pat sidekick promo. No, the, it's like, yeah, if,
if, if Rashi's gone, then that kind of changes things a lot.
But I'm, I'm thinking he's, he's playing and we're not 100% sure
he's playing, but you know, kind of like we feel now.
Well, who who goes does digs flip flip worthy in the
scenario? Where rash?
Well, that's what David is saying.
No worthy gets naked Yeah, they sign they sign digs.
I I think them signing digs with Rashi rash no suspension out of
jail and he's fine. Is is probably an indictment on
Worthy from the team? Isn't more an indictment on
Rice? I was going to say is it doesn't
digs have way more? Digs was playing out of the slot
with. Rice, yeah.
It's just more, it's just more about like not thinking that
Worthy can hold up to 140 targets season.
I I would think because if you sign digs, you sign digs to give
him give him the Dang ball. You can't like digs is not like
bringing in DeAndre Hopkins or like Hopkins is going to be a
good soldier and like not 'cause like Hopkins came in, played 50%
of the snaps, never complained, was very complimentary.
The coaching staff, like after leaving Kansas City, has not had
anything bad to say about anyone.
Yeah, what a loser. Get let's get, let's get digs in
here to digs. In digs comes in and he's he's
telling Andy Reid, throw me the damn ball.
And maybe he's not the best signing they could make then,
you know, I don't know. Seems like that's not what they
need in their lives. Yeah, All right.
Yeah, I I don't know. I mean, I don't know what is
best for them at this point. I don't know how good digs.
I mean, he's 12th in the NFL in Yardsborough outrun last year,
but. Yeah.
I guess the question is, do you think digs obviously Diggs would
be like no Rashi Rice like sign me up for playing that role in
the. He.
Grew over the moon for that. But if it was just like, you
know, the Rashi stuff's gonna be fine, we'd love for you to, you
know, have you seen what DeAndre Hopkins look like in our offense
for a few years? Would you like to come and do
that? Like, does he really want to do
that? Digs has never won even a
conference championship, correct?
Yeah, correct. I think that's probably right.
Yeah, He. He might.
He probably at this stage is not.
Well, hang on, he went. He went to the Super Bowl this
past year. Oh, he did that Super Bowl.
That Super Bowl was so. That Super Bowl was so.
Unmemorable. It was literally the the last
Super Bowl we saw. Him was I already forgot that
game happened. You guys remember one play from?
That game you remember. One play well.
You asked Pat if he's remembering his favorite team of
all time, playing in the Super Bowl.
He probably remembers. OK, OK, Name a play.
Anyone? Name a play from from from
Seahawks Patriots. Walker had some good runs.
Did he? I wasn't.
I wasn't watching. That was the news.
I remember Drake May running for his God damn life for.
This is a classic Chiefs fan shit.
You're like, oh, there was a Super Bowl this year.
They still had it. They still had the still.
They still had it. Oh, cool.
That's cool. No, that's good for them.
I'm glad. Good.
For them, yeah, it's fun. It's fun that they like still
had it. It's nice for the Seahawks and
Patriots that they still have the Super Bowl.
It's like Davis's version of doing the Redmond bit, where
it's like they always make it about us.
Dude, Rudman. Rudman insisting that it's
always about the Patriots is the it's the best bet on Twitter.
I love it. It's so funny.
Oh my God. Yeah.
No, it is nice that they did still have it last year, though.
That's nice. It's nice.
It's nice they still did it. I wasn't.
I wouldn't watch any of it, but it is nice that it was on.
For David. You know what, I don't think you
even have to say please don't clip that because it probably is
going to get clipped. Regardless.
Well, that is. That's funny because I stand by
that. That was an unwatchable game.
To be completely fair, I did not immediately flag it because like
you, I started racking my brain for the Bills era digs and I was
trying to think through it, completely forgetting yeah.
Well, because he it's because he got cut by the Patriots and then
we almost like deleted him from the Patriots.
Last year, You know what? You know what, I, I this truly,
do you remember he was on the Texans.
I mean that to me, the eight games, the eight games he was on
the Texans, that to me, I, I, I remember him throwing a
touchdown and that's about it. Do you remember the the that
drafting summer where we were ripping in CJ Stroud triples
with Nico Diggs into the third? Round tanked round.
Yeah, it was. Oh.
My. God and people.
Were posted screenshots of it. I think I might have done it
once myself. I'm sure I'm I.
I I I actually. Remember, I remember doing a
draft with Leone. It was the first year that I was
streaming. I remember Leone came on and we
took digs over a Chan and Leonie's logic was well.
Now we control the Stroud dynamic.
We control the Stroud dynamic like we we are now.
We are now in charge of where CJ Stroud's going to go in the
fourth round. It's a shame the Stroud dynamic
didn't make best ball Bros that year.
That's pretty good. I just, I remember it being one
because obviously I had like 25% HN or whatever that year and I
just remember, I remember being like, this is fucking terrible.
Taking Dicks over Devon Day chanted to control who got to
take DJ Draft. It reminds me of the infamous
John Paulson line. Pat What the The Star of the
Beast. Star of the Beast, Yeah, it's.
Just like in this meta game, within the I can, I can.
Answer this trivia question from Mick Nixon in the chat.
Name the Texans wide receiver destroyed tank.
I was like, do you guys remember?
No, I always forget cuz it's some Jared Wayne Jared.
Wayne. What I don't even.
He was he was like a ninth string practice squad guy who
was called up to play special teams, and he is the one who
like, obliterated Tank Dell's leg.
Crazy. All right, dudes.
Davis, what did we just set you up with a redirect?
What are people gonna watch here in a second?
My my hard way team, I did the I just I did the I pulled the
draft board up went through my wait is this.
WAV Team The Boot versus the Boomers.
Versus the this is so this is against Go, Bills, Abib, Theo
Greminger and and then all the, you know, all the the high
stakes FFPC guys. Yeah, nice.
Did you make sure to obscure their their names?
On the draft board, not only not only is it not obscured the
whole draft boards in it, so you can basically get go bills
rankings in this video. I can copy a beeps draft
strategy for the rest of the summer just by watching your
video. Correct.
Yeah, you, you're gonna be able to, you're gonna be able to get
all the, all the takes exactly like everyone who's anyone in
the FFPC space is in this video and you're going to basically be
able to copy their big board. Do you remember that?
Do you remember? Like, so this is like we, we
have so won this war versus the boomers.
Like this used to be a thing like the boomers of being like
these fucking guys just doing it for the content.
And now, like now they all have their own shows and everything.
Like it's, it's so funny, man. We, we want to be them in the
sense of we'd like to be Rich Crane excluded, obviously, and
they still want to be us. Can you speak for yourself and
wanting to be them please? I think to be rich, Peter.
Pat, what do you have going on? Well, before we dive into that,
are we, we got to sign up for our slow draft, right?
We I mean. Normally we do that around the
4th of July. Really they're they're going
though. I'm seeing people in the
streets. I believe you that they're
going, Joe is saying. Normally we do it.
Like Frankie Frankie Frankie hit with a with a big Stephen A last
night in a in the chat. He was like I'm on the round
15th, 15th round in a main. Am I taking Chris Brooks here?
I will say crack rock legit DM to me two nights ago and said
FYI put a placeholder for Thursday August 27.
That's. What I'm saying man, it's
starting to be main event season.
I still haven't drafted a single team off stream.
I am easing into the the 2026. So you so you think you so you
think you can tout is a fucking disaster for Peter giving a shit
about football this offseason. It's a fucking dude this guy
does not give a shit about by shell shooting right now man no.
And do you know what's even worse, Davis is we still have
the same badge on Underdog and I'm not even drafting.
Right. That's I'm gonna dude, I'm I'm
gonna start auto drafting MLB dailies.
I this is enough. I got to have.
I got to have the emerald. Davis, Are you ready for for
Pete's new newest contest? So you think you can bid where
he gets you to do our waivers? Dude, I think, you know, the
maybe everything just becomes a reality show and we have Frankie
and Steph, you know, head to head.
Who's the best waiver wire Cap did?
So you think you can bid, I mean.
Yeah, I love it. All right.
Anything else though for you, Pat?
Yeah, that's fair. Tomorrow I'll be back on with
Sam Sherman. If you missed it, he was on ADP
Chasing yesterday for an episode there and then back on after
Best Ball Breakfast with you on Monday.
I'll be doing another episode of Legendary Coach speak with Greg
Branos. Check that out.
Check out the Sidekick over at legendaryupside.com/sidekick and
all the rankings and articles over at Legendary Upside.
Beautiful. I tomorrow two shows a lols is
going to be back. We're going to talk some
prediction market stuff. Golden Pants from the Risk
Takers podcast is going to come on.
It's been some fun topics a conversation and involving Matt
Kalish as well. So we'll discuss that and then
Basketball bash tomorrow at noon.
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you can hop on. Other than that, yeah, we're
hard at work on this next episode of So You Think You Can
Tout. Probably coming out very early
next week. Otherwise we will be back on
Tuesday. I believe Sam's going to
continue to fill in right for a couple of weeks.
Or was that a one off for Jacob? I think next week again, yeah.
OK. One one of these weeks, Jacob
said. He has like a down day where
like he's just going to be hanging out in his hotel room
anyway, so he was going to come on then, OK.
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clip in the hopper when there's a hundred of them there.
Pat, where is it? You played this recently?
Look at that here. Where is the clip in here?
Rojo, David Bell kicker chasing Zeke, Flacco, Silva, Leviska.
Why can't I don't say? Oh my God, look at that hair.
Oh my God.