All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's the ship cast.
We were not live last Thursday due to Thanksgiving, but we are
back with a vengeance tonight for Dallas versus Seattle.
Hopefully, hopefully we can get a good game, but we're going to
make it fun no matter what we got.
Davis Maddock joining us right here off the rip.
Forget this second quarter shit with Davis Maddox Short King
Summer shows up right at time. We're going to get some pick up
sweats going. We'll have Steph Miller swinging
by in the second-half. To recap some of our high stakes
teams. We advance a lot of the teams to
the playoffs, so we'll talk about that.
It's going to be a grand old evening here on ship chasing.
Let's do it. Pat Fryer helmo this.
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You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're.
Finally, at this point, you're right.
All right, Gretch, Karain, Matic.
How we doing, fellas? Was I not supposed to be here
till later? Well, the JJ.
It's all good though. You're alone.
Really on whenever you want. If I if I don't, if I if I'm
cancelling my plans for the night to hang out with you guys,
I'm not coming on for 37 minutes.
You know what I'm do? Whatever you want, man, you can.
Do whatever you want. Yeah, you can do it that.
CD lamp First play gets a A first down.
That's what's on, baby. Five leggers We do got a.
We do have some housekeeping to do before our guests show up.
Usually we got to show everyone our our picks and everything.
Yeah, go for it. Put that on here.
I this is the part of the show where I remember I have to pull
up the game. I was like Oh yeah, Gretch, I
need to pull up the actual stream.
Gretch, why don't you start this I'll I'll get the screen share
going. Why don't you tell him about our
core entry tonight. That is for the giveaway.
Yeah, we got Tony Pollard over rush yards.
We got the Chardonnay over rush attempts because he's played 85
plus percent of the snaps the last two weeks and weirdly has
come off the field in long down distance stuff he was doing.
He was getting 100% of the long down distance stuff like 3 weeks
in a row. Now that he's the lead back,
they take him off on those spots and they're putting DJ Dallas
in. Kind of makes some sense.
Right. But.
Part of why we liked going for the rush attempts like he's
playing every rushing down. He's playing like 85%.
He's only coming off pretty much for the long time.
Distance like routes. Ferguson higher on the fantasy
points. Some discussion there on whether
we should go receptions, receiving yards, fancy points.
We ended up on fantasy points. It's a fun one.
It is about you had some discussion, yeah the the thing
that we debated was which to put on the three leg between Tony
Pollard. Over rushing yards or CD Lamb
over first downs, which I think we all kind of felt pretty
neutral about. But we originally had it as the
Lamb first downs and then I think Gretchu floated switching
it. And I did switching it, Yeah, if
you look at the Heckle for a second.
Yeah, Heckle, where do you guys getting first down projections
from what it what is the math there?
It's in our fucking brains, bro. Yeah, I mean, I get it when I do
under. When I when I do underdog
pickums, I am literally just clicking.
I mean, I could. Not ignore, just clicking.
Buttons. We're we're at least looking at
at how many times in the past they have gotten first downs.
Did Underdog ask you to come on early?
Is that what? No, I just, I honestly, I
honestly assume that unless you're one of these people
that's worried about getting limited to $27.00 per slip,
you're just clicking higher on things you want to have happen.
Honestly, mostly what I do on Underdog is I take the guys I'm
most overweight on on tournaments on DraftKings and I
just click higher on them like 7 times and then just repeat that.
Just like no hedging, just just throw all the bags.
Double rich, double rich. There's a reason we do almost
exclusively hires because getting the blade on an under
right away is like the most miserable thing for a 3 1/2 hour
stream. It's not a great live slip.
Get the blade. Yeah, don't get the blade early.
We knew that coming in and then we tried it.
The one time with the Broncos we did the under on Javonte
Williams rushing and he got like 2 long runs right away and it
was like well this fucking sucks.
I will say that Javonte Williams, you know missing the
under blade hurts less than the Marc Andrews getting hurt.
Blade those blades, nothing. So the ulvers have the worst
blades. That was the worst mood I've
been in and the whole season. I mean, I just I I in my home
league I had Mark Andrews. I tilt traded away every player
on my roster. I'm down.
I'm sorry. We have.
I had to show the other one. We didn't even get this other we
we put a Ferguson touchdown, we did the the core of the 7.25,
but we did a spin off of the 1.75 X spice in the five leg.
Yeah, so we almost hit the spice on the first drive.
Oh, he has it. Well, Ferguson is he's he's
contractually obligated to get 1.75 end zone targets per game.
I believe he's only I believe he's only converted two of them.
I. Hope he gets that second one.
So I hope it's 2 today. Jake Ferguson is my most own
tight end in Dynasty. Well, he was looking at him
again. There he was, the first read.
He comes back over to Cooks. Damn, I'm behind you guys.
I'm like, I'm like 14 seconds behind.
Are you on desktop or phone, Davis?
The flag could be good for us because we want we want yards
although a touchdown. Oh, you're right.
We don't have Pollard fantasy points.
Yeah, So for the audio listeners, yeah, Gretch already
outlined the core and then the five leg are they're both very
similar. We just wanted to do one that
had the Jake Ferguson touchdown spice instead of the fantasy
points. And then the other two things we
added were Rico Dottel in Tony Pollard rushing yards, basically
just playing this as a Cowboys blowout script in both of those
backs. Oh, that was Turpin.
That was Turpin. Yeah.
Oh, and the lamb. Correct the Lamb over four and a
half first downs but we liked the playing the script of the
both running backs together which I mean they can easily
both hit that that's yeah you've got if you've got Chardonnay
overs though you you do not want early touchdowns for the Cowboys
that that is the death knell you do not want the I mean establish
him for a long time. Yeah, I I agree.
I think they're going to try to keep balance.
Colored stuff is what we need here.
Yeah, let's go to Fergie. I didn't realize Seattle was
wearing the that's the throwbacks are so good.
They're so good. Why aren't they just their
jerseys? They should be.
I'm gonna go get a sweatshirt in a few minutes here that I have a
techno Super Bowl logo sweatshirt.
It barely fits anymore. I've never been a Seahawks fan,
but these make me nostalgic for the early 2000s era.
For your child. For your child, yeah.
Late 90s When? When were these?
When did they make the switch? Yeah, I remember Sean.
Sean Alexander was in these, right?
Fighting Fergie. Fighting Fergie.
Fight. God damn it.
That was too Fergie. Sean Alexander, I think, is a
rookie, probably, but not when they went to the Super Bowl
2005. They were into those, Yeah.
Yeah, that was loose by that point, Yeah.
It was sometime around 2000 me to a place in fantasy that we
don't even acknowledge that Tony Pollard is never, ever
converting that 2 yard carry for a touchdown.
Just like never would not. Yeah, we, yeah, obviously.
No. We know.
That's why we took yards. That was a touchdown.
If that doesn't get knocked down, he's not getting.
He's falling into the end zone there, right?
The the the Fergie touchdown. Dude it is.
It's programmed into tonight. It is.
Seattle loves to give him up. There we go.
He's open. He's open.
Oh no, that was on the the second round play was on DAF,
that was. A plenty of Sharps carries
coming. They're only getting a field
goal in the first draft. Good start.
I like this. How many carries did Sharps get
against San Francisco in the 14? Oh, OK, All right.
Yeah, we we've been alive today, Davis.
I'm getting a lab on these do you guys still play Showdown or
is that is that I I did this I I'm I'm Chardonnay was my was my
flag play at play I'm just all did you captain him.
Yes, yeah. I mean, I I do the I I play like
200 teams and I have like I think 70% sharps.
Nice. That was what I played, a decent
amount of him. I was I was playing.
I have a lot of Ferguson. I played some Ferguson captain
too. The The Sims Sims actually are
like unbelievably good for showdown because you kind of
don't even know what you have. You know because you don't
actually know what your lineups are.
So it's it's kind of like fun. You just kind of like are
checking in the middle of the game.
You're like, oh, all right. Well, it's so sharp that you're
like back to being like a total nude, like you don't even do
some stuff. Yeah, it's a bug and a feature
though, because you cannot fall in love with a single lineup or
you will get the emotional blade very quickly.
Yes. Yeah.
I mean, checking Showdown before the fourth quarter is just like
it's just a recipe for tilting your face off.
That's why I sell this. I couldn't handle like it's not
it's not a fun sweat. Yeah, I don't really play
Showdown because I I can't really.
I used to love it that I it really is only fun in the way
Davis described it where you just get a shit ton of teams and
then like in the fourth quarter you just start to peek and see
like what kind of game script do I want to actually make this
fun? Exactly.
I I think a first drive field goal is actually the nuts for
this game though. You did not want this viewing
experience to be Cowboys touchdown, Seahawks punt,
Cowboys touchdown. That is that that just locks you
into an annoying game. The thing I've been terrified
about today Davis is the the old Cowboys pick six like that's
that's the nut low. What's your favorite what's your
favorite to Ron Blandstadt I I I told one I told one to Jacob
today that I thought he about threw up is this like one.
It's always like he has more or something than Quinton Johnston
or whatever it it's so so the Quinton Johnson one is good.
I also dropped a Jonathan Mingo has 100 more receiving yards
than Quinton Johnston which is just like that's the that's the
ultimate it could not be more jover for Quinton Johnson it
would would I Jonathan Mingo. When I hear like air yards, I I
just think of him literally jumping like.
Flipping so good, I literally think about that.
That's my new Roman Empire. I think about that play like.
Once every hour not stop. I'm like, what the fuck was he
doing? I mean, he was slowed down
enough that, like, I really think it was like there's some
people who can't catch the ball without jumping.
It seems like like you remember that like in high school, the
kids that would always jump to catch and like why are you
jumping does that. QJ can't catch it with his
hands. He's got to catch it with his
body. He jumps.
He is always jumping. He's got to jump and I think on
that Mingo play like he, he could have easily slowed down,
like where his feet take off relative to the sideline.
He's got like two more steps and he jumps.
So far, do you know my honest explanation?
Is that I think he had, he had like football dyslexia where
he's like, I think I should drag my feet and his body just did
the complete inverse. It was like the opposite of
dragging feet is just swinging your feet as far in the air as
possible like he did. Literally the opposite.
Thing of what you're. Supposed to do?
I mean, maybe. OK, while we're talking about
rookie wide receivers, my current Roman Empire is What is
the Venn diagram of CJ Stroud and Tank Dell?
How did CJ Stroud know to tell the Texans to take Tank Dell?
They they did not play each other once in college.
They would not have been at any of the exhibition.
You know, Senior Ball. None of.
Them they would have at the combine.
They might have thrown to each other a little bit because I
know that like the passing and all that.
OK. All right, I guess.
They must have just hit it off quick at the combine and like in
some of that stuff because Tank Tank went to a Community College
even before he went to Houston. So there would have been like
they wouldn't have even played like high school football
against each other. Do you think that's overblown?
Because there's got to also be a connection where like Houston
had a good look at him. Like you know that a lot of
these teams end up taking the day three guys from from their
area. Well, yeah, Dallas.
Dallas always does that. Dallas only takes big Seattle.
For sure. Yeah, Seattle does the same
thing. But it's also like when Mahomes
says he wants chapter, it's like, this is like 1/2 a billion
dollar contract. Dude, you're that's not a
suggestion. You're doing it.
When CJ Stroud is like I like to, that's like a suggestion.
Like. No.
It's. It's a good use of capital on
his part because you're never going to have more capital with
the team than the day you've picked number two overall unless
you end up being better at Mahomes.
Yeah. Like, do you think Like, like,
you know, like Josh Rosen was not getting very many of his
Year 2 requests, my buddy, from the inflatable tub at the,
That's what I'm saying, Dorm room.
Yeah. Think about what Bryce Young
could have asked for and what he can ask for now.
It's different. Full start Panthers are down
bad. They got what?
What? OK, I Gretch, I hire you to be
the GM for the Carolina Panthers this offseason.
What's your move? What do you do?
I fire myself and try to get any other job.
Do I have to be? But I do not want to work under
David Pepper Pepper your goal. Your goal is to make the
playoffs one time before the end of Bryce Young's rookie
contract. What do you do?
I mean, you don't have a first round pick next year, so you
have an early 2nd. You definitely have to address
the past pictures. Oh, DK.
Oh man. There you go, we had to play
Gino in that one spot that we'll take it.
That works, but you don't work. Wow.
I'm really Man, that was not enjoying being behind you guys.
It's miserable. I'm surprised you're behind.
Normally the phone Bros are are on the bleeding edge.
Maybe I maybe I need to click live again.
The NFL sucks. Wait, you're not on Amazon
Prime? No, I didn't even realize I
could do that. Yeah, get on Prime.
Dude. I always just click.
I always just click inside the NFL app.
No, no, go to Amazon Prime. You're going to get there.
The for the Panthers though, I think their defense isn't like
horrendous. They actually have talent like I
I think everything has to be the offensive line in pass catchers
like they're just. Whatever they can in free agency
and in the draft your draft you got to build up an offensive
line and you got it. They're they're receiving core.
We talked about this in the in the summer like it was just it
was going to be awful. Like I wish I would have drafted
somebody. Adam Thielen out on the premise
of like Jonathan Mingo is not a good prospect.
Who else? Like DJ Chuck.
Like there's nothing else here. Like Adam Thielen is just
playing tight end. He's running little 2 yard curls
and and no one's getting open downfield and they're dumping
off to Adam Thielen. And then finally, someone double
teams him last week and he can't.
I mean, he gets nothing either. And they're like, yeah, as soon
as they double teamed him, it was fucking over.
You got to get, you got to get some some receivers, you got to
draft some good receivers. Mingo was a bad pick.
I mean, just like objectively wasn't the right pick.
And what was that? A second round pick?
It was like an athleticism, no, you know, real production track
record pick. Takes a smart receivers.
Yeah, older. You know what, though?
Thielen's not even going to end up mattering for these contests,
which is hilarious. Like, he's really not.
The next 3 receivers gather after Jesgo producing in the
playoffs. Yeah, yeah.
He's not going to matter at all. Well, he matters in that he's
advancing a shit ton of teams to the playoffs.
But I agree, so did. So did.
So did Josh Jacobs yo. He is he's the Josh Jacobs of
this year. Yeah.
The the next three receivers drafted.
Wait next 4 receivers drafted Next 5 receivers drafted after
Jonathan Mingo, Jayden Reed, Rashi Rice, Marvin Mims.
Tank Dell, Jalen Hyatt. I wouldn't take any of those
guys with Bryce Young right now and feel a lot better about like
where the receivers are now and going forward, yeah.
Jonathan Mingo not, I mean, how do you think?
Honestly, though, how do you think we're talking about Tank
Dell right now on the Panthers? Yeah, not as not as favorably.
Yeah, not very favorably. And I wonder, how would we be
talking about Jonathan Mingo on the Texans?
Pretty favorably. I disagree.
I think if they were switched, I was producing for the Texans.
I just, I don't think Mingo would crack.
Like, I think it would mostly be Collins and like, yeah, I think
Mingo would be doing better. But I actually think Tankedel's
good. I think like he's a good.
Yeah, yeah, I think Tankedel's very good.
But I don't we would know how good he is.
I think we kind of would cause like I what I believe's
happening in the Panthers is no one is getting open down field
and Tankedel might actually be doing that and Bryceel might
actually be having a little bit of a better year.
Like it might be the one guy that's actually helping Bryce a
little bit. I think if you flipped them we
might like Dell more than Mingo still it would be closer.
It would be a lot. I think we would, yeah.
I think we probably would still like.
Well, I don't know. I don't know.
Yeah, because Mingo might. I think he might like Mingo
more. Yeah 'cause you'd be how many
screenshots of like Tank Dell? Like just dusting a guy on a
route and just being wide open, waving his hands up in the air.
Would we be dealing with? I think it would be a little
like Marvin Mimsy with Dell where like he the playing time
would kind of be fluctuating and it would be like kind of
annoying. And it's like, yeah, he looked
really good in that one game, but now he's not looking that
good. And is his quarterback good
enough? I think it would be, he'd be
like maybe probably better version of the Mims experience.
What would you guys have rather for our underdog entry on that
drive? What would you have rather have
had four sharp, no, let me say 5 Chardonnay carries.
So puts them on like a 20 carry pace even just in that quarter
or that that touchdown that sets up a really positive game.
It's great for the. Rest of the half.
Great question. Touchdown.
I think I'm taking the early carries just because, like, I
just want to bake them. But we got how how many carries
did we get? We got, I think, just one.
Just one. Yeah.
I thought it was two. I thought it was two.
We got two. Nice.
No? You you would prefer you would
prefer the Seahawks to be immediately, like in the game?
Yeah. Man, you're way.
This is very this is very good for sharps.
This is really good just for overs in general right now, yes.
Yeah, we needed the opposite of what I was worried about, which
is the Dallas pick sex. Like the the dead ass opposite.
Cowboys. That's a sweet place In the
first Showdown contest I pulled up is literally twice as owned
as DK Metcalf. Oh my God, What did what did DK
Metcalf come in right now? I I I pulled up the the the big
120. Thousand person $3 DK is.
Three. There we go.
There we go, Fergie. Move somebody over or just avoid
them through a motherfucker face.
He didn't run that guy over at all.
You're part of the vacation of NFL football.
Just avoid him. Meanwhile, Gretsch is over here
drinking a beer with a mustache, saying Bulldoze.
Him. He ran into a brick wall, but he
didn't run over that guy at all. He got crushed.
No, he didn't want his mustache. That was Bobby Wagner.
Like if Wagner. We played him to be really old
and slow last week for the tackles.
But if you run right at him, he's still big and we'll still
hit hard. Whoa okay.
That was interesting. I don't like that call, 'cause
he's kind of playing the ball and the and the the receiver
jumped into him like, yeah, like he kind of climbs his.
That was a that was a soccer play.
That was what that was what they do.
That was what they. Do right he like initiated the
the receiver initiates contact and the the D BS playing the
ball. But but the way the way I.
Don't think give guys like like the one game suspension for that
shit. They should just review it and
just suspend all those assholes. I hate that so much.
They act like they can't get. You can get out of the game in a
week. Oh, that's a little tug.
Oh, he's not playing the ball either?
Yeah, no, everything I said is wrong.
But the receiver has the. The rule is that the receiver
has the right to the space. Right.
And also, he didn't look back at the ball, He just jumped on his
back. Right.
Yeah, yeah. And I was.
I was. I was talking about soccer, by
the way. Rico Dalco, Pollard.
Pollard could not be any more dead dude.
The backup running back with the dreads comes in and everyone
gets excited, you know? It's just it's a tale as old
this time. Davis we should do a a backup
running back with the Dreads Podcast this this offseason is
there as a Remember that guy theme.
I think we did. We'd literally I want to say we
had like a 45 minute remember that guy this offseason it's
always it's always Ben Tate that gets me there.
Like once I get to Ben Tate, then I'm like, I can remember
Montario Hardesty after that point.
Like I can get to. He unlocks it.
Oh, there. We go if they wanted, if they
wanted to be Dicks by the way they could.
Calvin Johnson rule that they won't.
They'll just call it a touchdown.
But they he didn't. He came up without the ball.
They could totally Calvin Johnson rule him.
They're not going to. They're not going to, but they
could. I think, well, that rule doesn't
exist anymore. I think you're right, but is
that true? I think you're right actually.
Yeah, it's two steps in a football move.
That's all it is. There's no surviving the ground.
They talk about it on broadcast. It's not accurate.
There's no such thing about surviving the ground only exists
if you didn't do 2 steps in a football move before you went
down. Then you have to survive the
ground. What was the game?
Oh, the A.J. Brown play last week.
Do you guys remember that where he dropped it?
But he clearly took two steps with the ball in that.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The punt the the fumble 1.
Yes, he clearly took two steps, but they were like.
You you have to take two steps and make a football move though,
right? Or a third step.
He went two steps and Lam just went two steps.
His knee hit as well and then it's the play's over.
That's it. Like, that's what they were
talking about with the Deontay Johnson.
Tomlin didn't review last week. They went back to it on the next
drive because the next play was a fumble.
Then they went to commercial. They went back to it on the next
drive after commercial because Sterator wanted to be like.
He should have challenged this. There's the two steps.
There's the third step. Play plans here.
He doesn't have to survive to the ground, it doesn't matter.
And as he was going down, they punched it out.
But it was like he had plenty of steps before he went down.
Like the IT was like the play was dead the second he took the
third. Oh, White Lancer remembers.
You have to survive the ground if you're Deontay Johnson.
Apparently, though, what was crazy when we were going
through, I don't know if you guys had the same thing when
we're going through the underdog numbers for tonight and it like
looking at Pollard, Ferguson, Lamb and like, I didn't really
like the yard. I like the touchdown on all of
them, like that would. Be my favorite one is it's like,
you know they're gonna score 3 to 4 touchdowns and you just
want to hope you run here that they go to the best players.
That's what I was thinking. Can you not do multiple Peppers
for the same game? You can.
Oh, I think you can do multiple
Peppers. You can't do like multiple.
Like you can't do stealing touchdown and CD yards like type
shit. And you I don't think you can do
like. DAC passing touchdowns and Lamb.
I had AI had a A5 pepper 1-2 weekends ago like all anytime
touchdowns. Mark I they all hit.
Last one was Marquis Brown and I was like I would sell this for a
dollar. I would.
I don't know. I don't know what possessed me.
I don't know what. Like going back in time.
What possessed? You made.
The ticket. Dollars for a dollar.
What would have possessed me to think that Marquis Brown would
score a touchdown? I don't know.
I don't know what was going through me to click that at the
time, But I just looked at it and I was like, this is the
wedding. There's literally no chance.
Look at look at this one that copper prices from the Deposit
Kingdom Discord badge bro. Hit five weeks for 10,000 Spice,
Tyler Murray TD Stefan Diggs, TD Evans TD, Gabe Davis TV and then
correlating Josh Allen on the higher with Diggs and Gabe
Davis. How much was the was the buy in
on this That's actually a good so it was it was 100 X.
So it was a Wow. Yeah 100 X So what is.
So it was a It was. 100 bucks to win, 10 KA 100 bucks. 100 bucks.
Yeah, yeah, there it is. Confirmed in the chat.
Hell yeah, dude. We need to start living a little
with some more spice, guys. I'm telling you dude, just do
the The Peppers are like, you're going to lose anyway, probably.
So just do the Peppers like it's more fun.
I mean, that's basically playing.
That's like playing the spy and trying to win the the 10K first
prize, but all you all you need is these guys score touchdowns
like it seems easier than than having to be.
That it does. I mean, it does.
It does seem easier the IT, no, But I mean, I wrote about this
when I was writing about why I'm enjoying the pick.
I'm sweat so much because it's like when you're right, you
actually get paid. You don't have to worry about
other fucking game environments. And it's like I was right, but
then this game scored two more extra touchdown.
You don't have to worry about about the CJ Stroud tank Dell
combining for 97 points. Like you just got your points
and it is what it is. I know, I know.
Sam Sherman is just at home watching this game being like I
fucking hope Jake Bobo gets on the board before JSN like he
just says he's got. A tweet.
He's got a He's got a tweet ready.
He's. Got the tweet already written,
Jake. Jake Bobo always popped up
before JSN that's also programmed into Pete Carroll's
play sheet there. Yeah.
Where are we? I've not been.
I've not been listening to to this program.
Where are we? Where are we at?
On on JSN, what's sort of everyone, What's sort of the
collective consciousness like what are we, what are we doing?
What are we doing with Mr. Smith and JIG.
But there he is right here. Get manufactured targets.
We did the, we did the whole chat in the ADP chasing channel
where I was defending, yeah, but that was, that was a that was a
month ago. It was a couple weeks ago, yeah,
maybe, maybe a month ago. That was I I I have not changed
my opinion. The animal offense sucks.
Right. Yeah.
My argument was you shouldn't wait on it.
Yeah. I I'm gonna say.
I'm gonna say he has done nothing to convince me that he's
not Jerry. Judy.
Yeah, I would. Say he's gotten new information
and the new information is bad. No, I I I wow.
Couldn't disagree more. He's done nothing to convince me
he's not the guy that we thought he was from his prospect profile
and everything. He's barely completed his.
Role's been terrible. He broke his wrist in August.
Did you see the catch last week? I mean like the ball tracking.
To. Spin the dive in one handed
catch like this. To Pete's point, this offense
has been terrible. They've been running him on
routes in the flat all season. Early in the year.
The first four weeks, he's had a.
Wrap a wrap on his wrist. And like.
Every opportunity he's actually gotten to make plays, there's
been a couple little mistakes, not a lot of rookie mistakes
from him at all, and he's made some sick plays this year.
Like, I think, Gretch, I think you might be seeing the trees
instead of the Forest single Seattle pass catcher you'd be
excited to go to battle with in the BBM Sprint.
Oh, deep shot DKDK Metcalf. I would be pretty excited to
have DK Metcalf on my I don't want anything tethered.
Yeah. I'm I'm not particularly.
But the problem is, like, so OK, so when we think about, like,
Jax spent the jiggle before the season and where we sit now, I
mean, so much of, like, the appeal of these rookies is that,
like, we just don't know. And and there's like all these
awesome, positive, and we really didn't know about JSN 'cause he
played about 9 1/2 college games total.
Right, right. Yeah.
So he's kind of like this mystery box guy.
But that's fair, like he hasn't had we just well and.
We we have no indication that that ceiling's there.
We got more information about his quarterback.
Turn everything about his profile.
Yes, quarterback turns out to be fucking amazing and could turn
Noah Brown into a superstar, so that's not great.
No, Noah Brown didn't have 100 yard game since high school and
then starts with CJ Stroud and then immediately turns into
Randy Moss. Yeah, this is this is turning
into one of your guys unserious. ADP chasing debate.
So I'm I'm gonna, I'm gonna respect.
I know I'm. To try to make a logical Jack
Jackson, Smith and Jigbus, he's 34th percentile and open score.
He's got 1.33 yards per hour run, which is like he's been run
in the flat. Like you're not you're not
arguing against any of the things that I've argued.
So I agree with you. You're Yeah, but I what?
You're what you're doing with that I see.
Well, you cut me off. You cut me off.
Sonoma. Cut me back off.
What? What?
You're doing when you say stuff like his role sucks is you're
you're like letting him off the hook for that.
Like his role. If he's awesome, his role
shouldn't suck. Like it doesn't mean he sucks.
But there's all these potentials when you're coming into the
season of he's a fucking amazing superstar and getting a shitty
role and not doing well with it. It is not very likely to be
paired up with those outcomes. Like even if you know he gets
more opportunity later, sharp carry keep them coming.
Yeah. I so I agree with you that
there's there's tail outcomes that he could have hit and they
would have been great. The the point Davis made was was
like he's done nothing to prove that he's not Judy and and my my
argument is in the role that he's been in in the ways that
he's been used. And my argument on the role
would be that it's very relevant that he broke his wrist in
August that. Tyler Lockett is 31 and has like
a freaking balloon payment coming next year and it's
probably going to get restructured but it's not going
to be with this team for a long time.
He's clearly been drafted as Lockett transitions out and
right now he's the third receiver in the pre season.
In the offseason the whole debate was they used a ton of
two tight end last year and like one of the arguments I had to
make against the people that were making the two tight end
points was this will transition in season to more 3 receiver
sets. It has.
His routes have spiked. They have like they they brought
him along slowly, Didn't play a lot of football last year.
He broke his wrist in August, brought along slowly.
We're in Week 13. We're not at the end of the
season. I do think we're going to see
stuff by the end of the year. I agree with you.
We could have seen tail outcome, extreme awesome things.
But in terms of like what we've actually seen if you watch every
game. This is where I get frustrated
because, like, the numbers aren't great.
The stuff about the open score is because they've ran him in
the flat all season. Like, they've been doing that a
ton. Like, he's not, actually, I just
don't buy that dude. I just don't buy it.
He wasn't running that many routes and his open score sucks
and he's run a bunch more routes recently.
Like, that's just not very plausible.
He's hit. Most of his routes are not in
that role. I just think, I think the
ultimate point is that guys that are that we thought were that
good, we should see more hints of it.
Like I just Where were all the hints we saw from Devante Adams
as a rookie? Yeah, very different.
Very different players though. Right.
You know, and it took it did take Devonte Adams like three
years to turn into anything, too.
Why are they different players? Why Massive rookie?
OK, that's a Pete. That's actually a great point,
is that we've just gotten very spoiled by guys coming in and
immediately. He's like a really logical one
for it to take a little longer, not just in the rookie year,
maybe multiple years. That's the that's been the whole
point that I've been making is like this whole rush that we
have in the fancy community would be like it's jover for JSN
in Week 12. It makes no sense.
For him other than. I do agree.
It's funny. It makes no sense for his
profile. There's nothing in the data that
says that you shouldn't still care about the Longview, even if
he has a bad rookie year. I'm not denying the numbers
aren't good. I'm not denying the open score
is like, terrible. I think it's in part because of
the usage, but I'm not denying the numbers are bad.
His production has not been bad. It is above the threshold that
you want to see of like 40 yards per game, where it's like a
really disaster threshold, like he's.
He's been good enough, especially since he got healthy
since the bye. He's been fine.
He was really bad the first four games.
But like, there's nothing in his first year to me that is so bad
that I'm like, this guy can't ever be good.
I understand your point again. Yeah, that's not what my point
is. I I agree with that.
That's not my point. Guilty of is not living up to
our expectations of immediately stepping on the field and being
the best wide receiver who commands the most targets in
that offense on day one, That's what.
He hasn't. He hasn't been flashed that
potential right. That was not the expectation.
And his ADP was in line with Locket as a late.
It wasn't. DK Metcalf's ADP was 3 rounds
higher. JSN was even with Locket and it
was because he would he. Would have the late season
ceiling and he has the bigger boom potential and Locket is
like this boring asset. And most people were arguing,
yeah, yeah, sorry, It it wasn't that he was going to step on the
field in week one and command those targets, but there was
this expectation that he could. Emerge as the the target leader
at some point this season and that's just seems that seems
less likely to me now. Yeah the like the other thing
Davis of the Addison point if if the if drafters knew Justin
Jefferson they would they would out they would have gig at him.
She would have been what, 3-4 turn pick?
Yeah, yeah, but I mean obviously you don't know that Kirk Cousins
because the the whole narrative was JSN could ascend to the top
and there was no ascending for Addison because he can't top.
His feeling was next to Jefferson and it just goes to
show we're all pretty bad at this in like different ways.
Like they're all things that we don't know.
I ultimately the the thing with Jay Zen is that he certainly, I
thought in his range of outcomes was he becomes this next
difference making guy. He's scoring 19, 1/2 points per
game. He's ripping off a bunch of
touchdowns. No one can cover him.
He's a total nightmare. And I don't.
I don't. I mean, maybe it's possible, but
whatever. I thought that was possible for
six months ago. I think it is.
That's maybe 2% of his range now for a a run of games, you know?
Wait in In this season specifically 2%, just I just as
his whole range of player. I I will.
I probably will have a very hard time like let's say Lockett gets
cut or or it's cleared, gets restructured or whatever of a
very hard time drafting him as where like Deontay Johnson went
this year in in best Palm Mania probably.
That'll be a tough click for me, I think.
You'll have a hard time drafting JSN next year there at at wide
receiver. With Locket gone, wide receiver
25 or whatever. Wide receiver 24, that'll be a
hard click, I think. I do think.
I will. That's how I feel right now too.
I I that my mind could change on that as as we get more
information like OK, so this is a big point.
This is a big point, because if he actually sticks the way that
he has the rest of the way, I think that we're going to see
some better stuff the rest of the way.
I think we shouldn't have expected an.
Incredible season through the 1st, 8th.
That's my name. Grow.
Why don't you grow long hair or something?
For Christ's sake, wait until you get even confused for McKeon
'cause he also looks the exact same.
Hey guys, are you guys familiar with the Princeton fan narrative
tonight? No.
I saw his name in this showdown CSV.
Who is that? The Cowboys called up Princeton
fan? Who is Noah Fan's cousin?
A little cousin on Cousin Tonight?
It's the mainstream. He will not tell you about two
fans playing in this game. I thought you were saying.
A guy from Princeton, like, copped him.
No offense. That's what I thought.
You were saying. I thought, yeah, that's what I
thought. The funny thing is, is the
reason I know this is 'cause I saw the same thing Davis did,
which was his name and his CSV and I said what the fuck And I
googled it. Little did he know.
Fun family story. Is he also a tight end?
Yeah, yeah, I just excluded him and Showdown, I was like that.
That's got to be wrong. I was like, that's got to be
wrong. So I just, I just had a lot of
double fan lineups just for the kicks.
Anyways, back to JSN Wide Receiver 24 next year.
That's going to be a no for me, dawg, assuming that this is what
his sample looks like and we don't see something different.
I don't think he'll go wide receiver 24 if we don't see
anything the rest of the year. I was just going to say the same
thing. His ADP has yet to be determined
so much. What was What was Rashad
Bateman's ADP Year 2? I was going to bring Bateman up
because this seems like a it feels like a pretty similar run
out to Bateman, and like I've been betting on Bateman the last
two years, so I don't. You know not, not the same
caliber of prospect. Yeah, Bateman was.
A. Jason Jason was a better
prospect. Payton was a really good
prospect, too. He was, but Jason?
Jason was a slightly better prospect, You know, you know
what the better comp, the better comp might be.
Traylon Burks, actually, where there are a lot of excuses you
could have for Traylon Burks's lack of production.
And he was. I'm still.
Not sure what to. Make of Burks?
No, it's it's over. OK, I mean, I I still get the
light on him. We just want to name everyone.
Over like, again, Pete's point about Devante Adams.
I I understand, like not everyone's Devante Adams, but
there are players like that throughout history and we are
rushing. But but here's the thing, dude,
here's the thing. Like if in a lot of the games
that we play, you're better off being early to like the idea
that JSN isn't it, then you are sticking with him because.
You can still like maybe not. I don't know if you had moved
quickly you could have gotten a lot for JSN still but JSN in
this offseason is not going to be all that popular in Dynasty
specifically. Dynasty which is the.
Well that's that's the format where you know other than DFS
where you're assessing the weekly.
Yeah, like what it where does it matter to have an opinion on
them? Right now is is mostly Dynasty
and I think actually it it's better to be quick on that stuff
to understand like these stats are all banked.
And when we look at the profiles after the season, we're gonna
reference season long yards per hour run and season long macro
dynasty take and not so much a JSN take where you need to play
for more floor in general with dynasty than you are.
And yeah, it is partly A macro dynasty, but I don't have any
issue with people being like. Get me the fuck out of this JSN,
these JSN bags. Like I think that's probably.
I just, I just had to trade, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
For a third round pick in a league like because I just.
Needed them off. Totally different thing but to
Pete's point, Dynasty the way that you have to play Dynasty to
be good at Dynasty. I like I wrote about this
recently. It's like why I don't really
like Dynasty. It like I get your point Pat.
You're probably right. It probably makes sense to get
out of JSN if you can still just trade him in for a future 1st
and do it again with the next first round pick next year.
That makes sense. But I don't like, that's why I
don't like Dynasty. But in terms of like whether JS
NS going to be a successful NFL player is sort of the point
because like dynasty's all market based, if you can still
get a first then you can just do that right.
But in terms I do think his it's not just smart, I mean his odds
of being a successful NFL player I think are lower today than I
thought they were before the season.
And I think I'm not going to disagree with that.
I'll. I'll even Gretch.
I'll get you back in Roma, that's all I said.
I said we got new information and the new information is bad.
That's where I started. Where where I started was when
Davis said that he's done nothing to convince me he's not
Jerry Judy. And then you you didn't say I
forget what you said, I said. He's done nothing to convince me
he's not well. I think that's a fair take.
I think it's a. Completely fair take.
I also think it's a fair take to say he's done while
acknowledging what you just said, that his percent chance of
success has come down from a purely probabilistic sense.
I also think he has done nothing, having watched almost
all of his snaps this year and been rooting for him heavily and
been very invested and very disappointed by the way.
Like, I should be a lot more tilted by this player.
I think he's done nothing to show me that he is not exactly
what I think he is, other than like, I'm tilted with the
Seahawks hole offense, which has taken a step back.
I'm tilted. With the way Geno Smith has
played, the way they've used him, the fact that like with his
injury, it's been frustrating. He has run more routes the last
few weeks, but every time he does get opportunities down the
field, like he makes plays on the ball that are very
impressive. That stick catch that that was
pretty awesome and that wasn't and everyone saw the one handed
part. If you see the ball tracking in
mid flight, he had to turn over his other shoulder.
That is skills that a lot of receivers don't have.
It is hard to not be successful. I watch every fucking game every
week. I'm not trying to like use that
as a part, but like he has shown he's flashed skills that like
that are 95th percentile NFL receiver skills already.
Like he has flat. This is the stuff I was saying
about Garrett Wilson last year as to to give a comp and people
were like Chris Olavis had a better year than Garrett Wilson.
I'm like, no, Garrett Wilson's been better on the football
field. Objectively, if you watch him
play, like, it's just that he's been playing with Zach Wilson,
but he's been doing ridiculous things.
And I think Garrett Wilson. I mean, that's not a great
point, 'cause we haven't gotten to see Garrett Wilson at peak,
you know, whatever. This year, Wilson also leads his
team in receiving yards by like 40% over every year.
Wilson was also like, and you know, it's a different thing
because the receiver competition was way worse and it's a better
role. But like, he was immediately
popping as a target earner and he's since shown up as one of
the best route runners in the league.
So that's it's the route running part of it For me.
I'm like, can this dude, 'cause he was dude, he remember he had
that like crazy, short, crazy quick three cone and it was
like, this guy's going to get open.
So easily in in short spaces like he's going to be kind of
that Amen Ross type of thing where it's like and he just but
like I don't really see him as that right now and it's that's
that's frustrating to me. That's fair Pretty quickly it
should it did forget Wilson because he had no competition.
Can I be clear though about one like, there's a difference in
these in these situations when you come into a team with the
Seahawks. I don't have the exact number,
but if you go back the last since the year DK Metcalf was
drafted, their number three target earner has not had more
than like 65 targets in a year. JSN, I think is going to blow
past. It's 63.
Noah Phant last year Gerald Everett also hit that number.
They've not had a third receiver in all these years and and
relatively and and Jason's already at 57.
In 11 weeks he's going to blow past that.
He's not at Metcalf and Lockett's level, but he's way
above everyone else in targets and he's it's not a perfect
situation for for stepping in and getting an immediate volume.
It's been a low volume pass offense.
It's been really consolidated on the two guys that have stayed
healthy. If either of those guys would
have missed a game or two and we could have seen or I guess one
of them maybe missed one game, but.
Like that was a real that was a real Shakespeare.
If you if you let a bunch of monkeys have a typewriter, they
eventually type every sentence you know in in the known
universe. People saying my microphone's
too low. Like literally the first time of
all time. It it is it, you've been, you've
been low. Normally it costs at least a $20
Super Chat to get like a 20 minute debate about a single
player. So you.
Guys, need one on the House tonight, I mean, I guess.
I knew. I knew.
I knew what I was getting into. But I haven't, 'cause I used to
listen to ship chasing the morning after at the gym to,
like be like, God, and I fuck up my waivers.
What do they think? But I I'm already.
I'm already so tilted about whatever happened on Thursday
Night Football that I don't listen to this 3 1/2 hour
podcast. Do you know another?
No. Do you know what another one of
my Roman empires is? Davis I still think about how
last year we're the only team in the main event with a Justin
Jefferson, Derek entry team. Oh man, that's a good Roman
Empire. I I do think about how I had
five teams in the main event this year.
Two of them made the playoffs. Two of them missed combined.
If you combined the two that missed by less than 80 total
FFPC points did. Did your did your like Penta
Reeves Thorman Silva team? No.
By about missed by about 63 points.
Jeez. And you guys were just stroking
each other off after drafting? That one dude, we.
Started we This is how bad it was.
We started Cooper Cup, Tony Pollard and it was still a good
team. Every week like that was our
start and it was still a good team.
Man land is so good. Wow.
Fergie TD, Fergie TD, Come on, that's another great question.
That was a third down. So we got the first down
already. We don't want him to score
there. Right.
Yeah, we should have went with your first downs in the core,
man. That was the debate.
And you, you're looking great. Well, that almost might be
coming back. Yeah.
CD Pollard not looking great. No, he's not Who.
Who could have predicted this? Who could have predicted that
sweating Tony Pollard overs would be?
Busy. It didn't come.
Back. It's there on fantasy points,
'cause he has like 2 touchdowns but has 20 combined yards.
Yeah, he's he's at a he's at 14 rushing yards.
Long way. No, no, the the Lamb one.
What does he have? Oh good call.
Lamb is at 2 first downs, but this will be three once this
updates I believe right? This will be his third.
Has to be he, yeah. It's definitely third.
He had one, OK? Yeah, Sharps is at 5 rushing
attempts. Rico's almost to his 10 rushing
yards to the 19.5. That was Pat.
You wanted to go there too. That would have been.
That was. A play action to Fergie.
There's the play. Action Leak.
Fergie Leak Fergie. It was to Fergie.
Oh my God, he threw. It to him still, he couldn't get
off his block. I mean, he was the only route on
that side of the field. He couldn't get off his fucking
block, Fergie. Oh man.
Bring him back and give Fergie a little more room to cook.
Dak stretched that out as far as he could, waiting for Fergie to
get out. He did.
He's looking out for us, man. He's.
Yeah, he's trying to get Fergie A touchdown.
Ineligible down field. He waited so goddamn long to
throw it. Oh man, they're going to waste.
They're going to waste one play here trying to get Pauler to
touchdown. He won't get it then it'll be,
then it'll be. Ferguson's the only route on
that side of the field. He's the only guy has to.
Cut back in, Look at Mike. McCarthy 's face.
What the fuck was that? Oh man, the guy.
I was thinking about, I was thinking about this earlier in
the day. This is the only time in Mike
McCarthy's career. He's been universally for long.
He's a. Bit come on.
We need it. Someone was open there, DAK.
That was Tolbert, I think. Man, Ferguson, who's going to
try this? This is the only time I can ever
remember him, you know, being universally beloved, like, ever,
where everyone's like, oh, he's doing a great job.
He's doing a great job. Cowboys offense Great.
Yeah. Brian, Brian Schottenheimer and
Mike McCarthy are currently the architects of the best offense
in the NFL. Like, I'm sure there's no way.
I'm sure there's no way that rears its ugly head an
inopportune moment for the Dallas Cowboys franchise.
Oh my God, they just didn't have Granny Cooks.
Well, I mean when there's like. Ferguson.
Someone's going to be open. That's been an MVP, guys.
I mean that. We talked about it.
Yeah, I think so. They probably got to win their
division, yeah. Hertz.
Hertz is the favorite. And yeah, I mean, Hertz is going
to win it. I mean, it's the same thing as
last year. Hertz is going to win it if he
stays healthy. They play head to head in in
Philly next week. If Dallas wins that game, then
they split the season series. They're back to one game
differential. They won't though.
OK. If Phillip comes into in Dallas
and wins, then you're right, it's jover for Dak like then.
I Look, dude, I'm not. We can actually use Jover and
I'll be OK. With it, I am not a Cowboys fan
anymore, but I have known this team intimately since, like
literally as long as I can remember.
They they were born. They were.
They were literally born to lose that game.
They were like Dak was created scientifically in a lab to lose
to Jalen Hertz in the 14 of a season where he's the MVP
favorite. Like straight.
Moore created in the lab to win that game and then get upset in
the wild card right. Yes.
That's what he that's that's.
That's what I used to Josh Dobbs in the division.
Or there are. Like Arthur, miss Falcons that
like squeak it or something. That's why he can win MVP 'cause
he might, it might make sense that they're that good all
regular season. And then there are the bigger
playoff Let down it. Well, that.
Really that. Really.
So if the if the Cowboys win the division, that really throws a
wrinkle in all kinds of stuff for the playoffs, because the
49ers are the Eagles. Could end up getting eliminated
early by having to play an extra game that would That would be.
Or they could have to play each other in the second round, which
then opens up all kinds of crazy shit.
You know what I'm saying? Like if the Eagles and the 49ers
both have to play an extra game, that just means, like, anything
could happen. That means we could have this
the the the Atlanta Falcons in the NFC Conference championship
game or something. Like in and out.
Like, like, for real. That's not happening.
I'm just saying I But if if so, let's say the 49ers have to play
a road game in the divisional round and you know, just
anything can happen if you get to that point, if you if I let
you guys accept Atlanta. The script writers of the NFL
this year need like Arthur Smith winning a playoff game like I
do, you can't have. That it can.
It can. You know what we need guys?
Us jamming Kyle Pitts as a low owned leverage play in the
playoff contest. I'm not doing it, Davis.
They won 24 to 15 last week. They won by 9 points.
That margin of victory. Yeah, Arthur Smith has coached
for 45 games. That margin of victory was the X
largest margin of victory and he's played in the weakest
division and all three seasons I.
Assume the second cuz I think there was one big win at some
point. I think it was the 4th.
But I mean, that's hilarious that you get.
I mean, it's not a great trivial question.
I mean you were you were leading us.
Yeah, 14 is his biggest win. And it's again.
I mean like they don't beat. They can't.
They can't win against good. You are.
You are trying to ascribe. You were trying to ascribe logic
to an NFL season where Tim Boyle is starting games.
Like, it's just like, you just got to, like, joke.
Like the Bengals and the Bills, who were supposed to be building
these dynasties that would be challenging in the Chiefs and
the line. Don't forget the Bills.
Are telling me they're they're not going to make the playoffs,
dude. Like the Bills and the Bengals
are just straight up not going to be in the playoffs.
It's crazy. Well, the Bengals are certainly
not. They're.
Quarterbacks, Yeah. The Bengals are are dead.
Dead. Yeah.
The the other half of that Arthur Smith's that which I
don't have in front of me but or memorized or anything but is is
hilarious, is how many times he's lost by more than one
possession. Like, he's only won, I think
it's five games now by more than seven points in all these games
and he's lost like, you know, 20 times by more than.
Seven points unpopular opinion. I'm done hating on Arthur Smith
until he tilts me again, but the last game he did exactly how I
would have done it. Drake London got 9 targets.
Kyle Pitts ran the second most routes on the team.
Bijan got, I think, 24 total opportunities.
I wrote that up. Yeah, I wrote.
I wrote it up favorably for Arthur Smith this week.
Yeah, but it's because he got to run a million times.
When he gets to run non-stop then it's fine.
He's like everything works out. It's only as he can run the ball
like 40. Five times.
You know what? But if he can't do that stuff
stuff, it's really weird. Him on a curve, the first, the
very first play of the game was like a a design Drake London
play. So I was like, you get it to
some extent. To some extent you understand
what's happening here. Yeah, I I mean, I ended up
writing. I couldn't like criticize him
this week cause. And also Desmond Ritter is like
these. The interceptions that Ritter
threw against the Saints were like the the second one was one
of the worst interceptions I've ever seen.
It was like the Deshaun Watson week 11 where he just forgot
what team he was on. Yeah, Arthur Smith's hatred of
Desmond Ritter. I mean The thing is Arthur Smith
wants to run whenever he can. He comes out of the bye and all.
He's spent all his whole bye week designing new rushing
schemes, new blocking schemes. They probably had some new
pulling guard, something new like he was.
So most coaches come out and they're like excited for some
trick play, some passing play, new route concepts.
Arthur Smith's ready to run. He had the large, the the, I
think the biggest negative PROE he spent the week off figuring
out. How to He spent he spent the
week off thing like how can I get Parker Hesse more involved
in the running. Game I I wrote I was like did
somebody dare Arthur Smith over the bye week to run more because
his his PROE ended up even higher like his like somehow
they're easily the lowest in the NFL in pass right over expected
and he's had his most it's nuts. Negatively.
They like they I talked about this in the walk through like
they like fully like they recommitted to the run heaviness
like it's it's it's striking visually.
The most devoted Mormon couple like renewing their vows.
Like we already know you guys love each other like.
Slippery JSN right there, dude. Fancy Jerry Judy with the first
down. Hey, don't Jerry.
Judy's had some highlights. Brother Jerry.
Judy could do that. Yeah, It's not as much of it.
It's the the reason why the Jerry Judy comp is so perfect is
because. Judy is not a bad wide receiver.
No one would look you in the eye and say he's bad, but if Steve
Smith would, Steve Smith would go on.
National television and look American in the eye, Smith said.
Would Steve Tier 3 so accurate, which is that he's just a guy
and he so is just the guy Steve Smith would not have the balls
to say that about. JSN I'll tell you that much.
No he wouldn't. That's oh, that's that's that
was real Pi. That's a Tyler Lockett special
by the way. It's like this is Zach
Charbonnet getting his 7th carry to put us perfectly on pace and
the touchdown to keep the game script live.
When is the When is the mainstream?
When is the mainstream media going to start reporting that
Duron Bland is actually Booty Cheeks at corner?
But but he just gets takes Texas.
It's so good that you're not single, Davis, because you're
like pick up line at a bar would just be like Duran bland.
Like. It's also good that you're not a
Cowboys fan, since you know everything about the Cowboys.
Well you got to you got to understand one they are at the
forefront of the of the consciousness.
I mean, they are the best offense in the NFL, but I I.
I'll be very happy for my dad. If they win the Super Bowl,
it'll be, it'll be one of the best days in life.
See, that's just throw a good pass and we get a Jason.
We should. Have Jonathan Mango that he
should have. He should have, He should have.
Can we make the Salvation Army bucket still?
Here can we get Can we get Jason in the bucket please just diving
into the bucket my new my new rule.
My new rule is that if Cavante Turpin.
He gets in the bucket on Thanksgiving.
That's it. The game's over.
You let you let Turpin. Oh, is that a carry 30?
3 yard touchdown on you. It's over.
That'll count. That'll be a carry that counts.
Why would that not be a carry? It's not AI was worried he I was
worried he fumble it or that Smith got the ball back.
It's it was it was so immediate. It was very immediate.
But yeah, that was a carry for sure.
Nice seven carries. Honestly, they should count as
a. Yeah, that should.
Be the 8th I believe or no, I just saw I think 7th.
I thought that was the seven. I think you kind.
Of touched that when you play there I was that was already the
seven. This feels like a Geno turnover.
Oh yeah, no thrown away. Let's lock it.
Oh, OK, let's GSN again. Here comes the look at He wants
the flag. He got the if.
Jason New ball. That'd be a touchdown, Stone
Hands. Come on, Frankie.
Jason, I think. I think we're going to see that
he was. He was constricted.
Here Jason. Jason just caught the Quinton
Johnstonitis on that. One I feel.
Davis showed up early just to tilt Gretchen to oblivion.
It's working. It's working.
And Quinton Johnson, not just Jason, He's hitting.
He's hitting. He's hitting.
All of it, yeah. Oh, if you're still leaving the
light on for Quinton Johnson, you got to you got to replace
the whole body with her. Oh, it's tipped away.
You're not even a fucking kid. And dragged and then tipped it
away. Oh yeah, no.
No one's leaving it on for Quinton Johnson.
Come on. Sharps Yeah, it stopped.
And then do it again. See, we wanted.
Two. Hey, we'll take it.
We end this game script we're cooking.
Some of us, some of us, spent six months drafting Zach
Sharpener on underdog.com because we thought he would get
worked into a long down distance role that would be worth half a
shit. So we might we might need these
points. I just feel like it's it's a
very specific. He already paid off his draft
cost after that touchdown. That's the narrative I'm telling
myself. Yeah.
I I no, I literally, I almost did.
I mean Zach sharpening like. Actually might be the.
Guy Zach Sharpening, like might be the guy you need at this
point. He's a great, I think he's great
at this point. I mean, he hasn't scored well
the last two weeks, but you're getting 85% snaps.
Like how many handcuffs are actually getting you 80%?
Snap. Yeah, What do you need?
What do you need in the fantasy world?
Playoffs. You need Zach Moss.
You need Zach Charbonnet. You need Breben, Jordan and Noah
Brown. No one has Zach Moss except
Pete, then that one team with Rich that he talks about every
chance he gets. It is a sick team.
You know who else? Is on that.
He's a fucking net cap. Oh my God.
I wonder if I have any Chardonnay.
I don't have any sharps in a main event team that's alive.
That's a bummer. The Charms is good.
Chuba, I mean, honestly, like, he's not going to do a ton, but
that's a guy Pat was on the whole offseason.
If you have a late run, Chuba like just sitting there, he's
playing a lot like. I think he's my third.
I think he's my third most owned player on underdog, but Michael
Wilson is my #1. So part of part of our whole
offseason with ship chasing for me, like one of the highlights
was Pat, like once a month being like, how was Chuba still going
in the 18th round? He's declared back up like, he's
like, like, how was this happening?
And I finally was like, yeah. Dude, the the Dion Jackson
stuff. This chat has mentioned this.
Samuel White just mentioned this.
I mean the the Dion Jackson stuff, one of the funniest
things in fantasy football history was he was like he went
in the tenth round of my final main event and he was gone.
With the goddamn win, dude. By week two, he was.
They cut him. They was on a different team.
They said you're out, dude. I don't even remember what about
this. He he lived on, 'cause he had
that one game last year, I think it was against the Broncos,
right, where he caught like 12 balls, I would want to say like
10 passes. He sit on that because there was
the one game it wasn't at the early of the year where Zach
Moss was out, right? JT was out and I opened up the
Battle Royale drafts and he was going as like running back four.
Like, people fucking love Dion Jackson.
Like, if they see a path for this guy dude, they're tripping
over themselves to draft this. I got.
I got another good This is a good trivia question.
How many touches did Dion Jackson get in week one of this
year? See.
That's what you probably had like 7.
No, no week, one of this year. He had a bunch. 20 two always
goes over the top. 1/18/22 is a good guess, but that's because
Zach, how many targets? Though how many?
Yes, it was just him. 6 targets, 5 catches, 14 yards, 2.3 yards
per target. Somehow he was worse.
He was somehow worse. Rushing, He did fumble twice, 13
carries for 14 yards. It was one of the worst playing
back performances ever. He's since played for Cleveland
and the Giants, so he's played for three teams now.
Wow, none of them are playing him, are using him.
He's got one more touch the whole season since then.
Moss broke his arm in the preseason chats, forgetting what
happened. He broke his arm so like his
conditioning and everything was fine, but he just couldn't carry
a football because his arm was broken.
But also, Zach Moss has never been good.
And now he's been. No, I think, I think that is.
He's been perfectly cromulent. Before he was ever awesome, he
was willing to wait four years for Zach Moss to break out, but
not eight games for JSN. Dude, if you gave JSN Zach
Moss's workload as a running back, he would be the guy you
needed in Week 17. Whoa.
I just clicked on his page. Did not know this.
He's cousins with both Santana and Senoris Moss.
No way. I didn't know those guys were
cousins. I didn't either.
Yeah, but Santana Moss is sweet. And if I mean now, I think Zach
Moss has got to be a little bit more on the lane.
Aren't they cousins? It'll be cool if they're not
cousins, but they're both cousins with Zach Moss.
With Zach Moss and oh, they're brothers, Santana and some doors
there. You go oh wow.
Let's go, Tony. Yeah, it's a lot more than that,
but it's going to take a while. Yeah, I You need about, you need
to get 62 Tony Pollard rushing yards, you need 24 carries.
So I hope they're gonna need overtime.
I can't think of a guy I'd rather hitch my wagon, my sweat
wagon to than 2023 Tony Pollard. Man, we're good.
We're good. I like to think I've gotten a
lot better about like range of outcome thinking and things like
that. And like not being so black,
white. I truly never for one minute.
Hold the Darnold Washington clip.
Dude, Air Ferguson right there, man.
Nailed that so bad. He's like, he's like, you guys
are going to want to like Darnold Washington.
But let me tell you what, that dude is never going to be
anything. They I literally Crane.
I I shit you not. I actually think it's in the
range of outcomes. They do just turn him into a
tackle like I like straight up. Yeah, he's not.
So on Pollard, I never considered for one second the
possibility that he would fail without injury, that like he
just would not be an efficient player.
Not, not for a moment did I think he would just be a a Josh
Jacobs level Joe. No one did.
No one did that. You're not alone on that.
Why? Why would anyone think that John
had inklings? Because he.
Just quietly wasn't that high. Home.
Yeah. I'm like, wow, comments on him.
Evidence you have for this. He's just like it's he's just is
dude. Like Sean is such a high hit
right on those ticks and they're fucking madding because so ahead
of time you're like, tell me why?
And he's just like it's just what's going on I.
I remember he said on one show, he said, Fergie, guys like that
that don't have a history of being the lead guy have a pretty
low right. It's a big picture.
It's a cohort thing. Like the the the closest I got
to an answer from him on signals on that because I I hammered him
on Paula too Was like when you bet on these efficiency
secondary backs and then they hit and then they rise to the
second round, that's when you don't draft them anymore And so
then you just go to the like he, he said like James Cook is the
next version of that or whatever, right.
And then when he when his efficiency spikes then you fade
it. And so the whole idea was like
the efficiency was so good last year.
Yeah, the efficiency was so good last year.
Even if he's growing into a new role, it's gonna the
efficiency's gonna boost his price to a range that's gonna be
too much. And eventually you have to get
off that ride when the efficiency gets to be like,
crazy. Yeah, for.
Sure. And Coakley?
Coakley cooking us on Devante Adams being terrible too.
That one. That hurts.
Well that was a shot and special too.
Tevin Coleman's another one that it remind I I was trying like
I've I've heard a bunch of these like Lamar Miller stuff.
I Tevin Coleman, Kareem Hunt. If you go look at these guys,
they were efficient, young and they're like, they're like Day 2
picks and Drake was another guy, 1-2 turns that young that.
Year. I remember that, Yeah, Yeah.
Canyon Drake was a 12 turn. That's Canyon Drake 101 with
the. Cardinals right.
When he got, yeah. And then he was gonna be the
full time starter for the Cardinals.
And but the thing was with Pollard was like just so much
better. Like his efficiency was so.
Good. And.
He started multiple times, started multiple times with Zeke
out and never came close to sucking like was always good.
He was always good, so it just felt like mostly last year.
Oh my God, we got a Beanie Wells drop in the chat.
Dude, I just. I've been playing fantasy
football for too long. Beanie Wells Painful.
Beanie Wells was like, He's a big, big boy.
That's the right answer to to hearing Beanie Wells.
I've been playing this for too long.
Like he's still young. In my mind, he's he's 22.
Like in, like, in my mind, in my mind, David Johnson is like a
young, exciting sleeper and he's like, you know.
Get a first CD? Yeah, Dang.
Davis, right now you're heart of hearts.
How many rushing yards does Tony Pollard finish with tonight, 47
1/2. Are you setting a line or are
you saying how you're? Going to get accredited with.
A How I'll I'll round out 40. 8:40 8 and I have.
I just, I I am done like like something I have gotten better
at is like two years ago I would have just kept doing the Pollard
thing. Like every week I'm playing
Pollard and the Spy. This is the week he gets right
like I'm done throwing bad money.
You say you've gotten better at this but it's it's like a a 180
where you you used to be very much a double down person and
now I don't think anyone's movement off takes quicker so
it's it's. Yeah, I had.
Any more Davis he does, it's just different things.
Dude, I just kind of take a look at what The Sims tell me to do
and I sort of just like SIM it out and like follow the
probability. And like, so if The Sims are
kind of like if they're saying the people are out on Pollard,
then you know, like I just trying to SIM Pollard out, you
know? Myself, Myself as Ricky D was
sort of the impersonation Pete doing a Davis Maddock as Ricky.
It was. It was Pete being me what I
think Ricky D sounds like, but me doing it.
Yeah, great bet. -3 yard Pollard rush, by the way, while.
That, yeah, I was just going to make a point that he's had a
couple like 5 yard runs on this drive and he's up over 20 yards
and then he lost 4 yards. Look, it doesn't.
It brings me no joy to report it, but actually it did.
Like Pollard being one of the worst running backs in the NFL
has made the Cowboys much more exciting because they basically
just were like, fuck it, we're going to throw the ball.
Like we're like, you know, like it's not working.
It's and it's not going to work. So we might as well just huck
it. Would you say, Davis, that it's
jover for for Tony Pollard? The thing about saying it's
jover for guys like Pollard is that they can always get back on
you. Just be a be a volume.
We've all done this, right? It's jover for Joe Mixon 5
touchdown game. It's jover for Josh Jacobs. 37
touches in a game. You know, it's just like you
can't. When a guy who can get the ball
22 times in a game, it can't. It can't be truly jover.
It's why. It's why wide receivers go jover
faster. It's why Derek Henry was 40%
owned in contest. Right, right.
Can we that that Brandon Cooks play?
I don't know if you guys are watching that closely.
I love the. Cutter steps.
He did like 7 moves and didn't did like didn't.
He never went anywhere. Imagine Imagine Brandon Cooks
with CJ Stroud. Imagine how good if they just
kept him. Imagine how good the offense
could be with him instead of Noah Brown or Robert Woods.
Remember when Pat posted the round 18 Robert Woods tweet and
we all shamed him and the problem was he actually wasn't
bullish enough that he actually had no problems?
I wasn't drafting Noah Brown or. Should have been taken, yeah, by
the way. I I'm going to take this one to
the grave not being in on like wide receiver 75 Tank Dell when
my whole bit was like you should draft the shortest guy in every
position. It's it's honestly so
inexcusable you you weren't in on him at all.
I mean, I took him a little bit, but like, I think I have.
I think I have 21 percent one day, you know.
Do you know why I love you, Davis?
Because you will say I'm going to take this to the grave and
then unsolicited explain what? The thing is all right.
It was really bad because I even liked him as a prospect too.
Like I was like like in like that version of guy like super
productive smaller school player is a guy that I fall for all the
time. I want you to have been on Tank
Dell. You're like this is you're
giving us firepower. I'm just.
Going to tell you terrible. It's just it's just straight up
terrible. It's it's like inexcusable.
Not good. Well, you want to know why we
none of us got on Tank Dell? It's because one of our buddies
was writing long threads about Robert Woods.
If I'm going to be truly honest with myself and with the ship
chasers, an hour and 10 minutes of the show, Do you know?
Do you know why? Because.
I was pretty convinced he was just like a slappy thing from
him catching one touchdown in the preseason and that he was
going to play behind like John Mechi.
Like just truly, truly the most inexcusable sort of left brain
logic of our left left curve logic.
Just not good. No.
I mean, Mechi was definitely in a lot of people's, yeah.
He was hurt. He heard it.
He heard his hamstring in training camp.
That should have been the Canary in the coal mine.
Yeah. Also different, different
regime. Well, that's that's the other
thing too. We talk about like the whole
dead roster spots thing and it was like when we knew Kyron
Williams was going to be the backup, like we started to
bounce because you had clarity. You never got clarity on like is
it fucking Tutu Atwell or Puka? Is it fucking tank?
No, no, no, that's not, that's not true.
That's not true. They rested Tutu in the first
preseason game. It's true sake that it was Tutu.
Yeah, Davis is right. Yeah, and then they rested Puka
for the second game it it was clear what does.
That mean what was clear? They rested one one game and the
other the other and it was clear?
No. Then they both rested in
DeMarcus Robinson played, and it was clear they were the
starters. What were the computer?
That Puka and Tutu were the starters.
It was clear that it was Cup, Atwell and Nakua.
And then everyone, I think my point stands, which is
deciphering like wide receiver 3-4 fives on the depth chart is
a lot harder than who the running back to is on a depth
chart. That's true.
I do think that one thing I want to do more of next year is make
sure I'm taking these wide receivers that were date, you
know, let's say like third round, fourth round and 5th
round picks and guys who I think are like mildly interesting
slash I've gotten some positive indication that they're going to
have a role. So not like hammering Cedric
Tillman types 'cause he we didn't hear shit about Tillman
all summer. But like anyone who's making
noise, you know, even tomorrow with Douglas, So what?
He's a. Fit around that right.
That could lead you down a Taekwon Thornton hole, though,
Yeah, but Taekwon Thornton like the He's one of the reasons to
do it right? Because even though he sucks as
a rookie, you have to get him on the field to know that he's
Jonathan Mingo. There are misses on that logic,
like you remember the hits, but he was expensive.
So we knew I'm talking like 18. Round.
So we knew Mingo was gonna play, but I don't remember them saying
good shit about him. I don't remember one report
being like Mingo. Looks awesome.
Trust me, I know the Taekwon Thornton arc and he absolutely
demolished OTAs. No one would stop talking about
him at OTAs. Every fucking beat reporter.
And Sean was like we got to take him in the tenth round ever.
It was like 2 like once the pre season started it was like he
faded to obscure. It was like literally a tale of
two halves. His summer.
It was like the best thing ever and the worst thing ever.
But I'm talking specific about him as a rookie.
Like I I want to be drafting these guys that are rookies
because you you do get pretty big hits there, I think.
And it's one of those spots where we're not like the market
because the nature of the position, because these guys are
like not amazing prospects. But the fact that they weren't
drafted all that highly and they're wide receivers, they're
probably going to take a while to make a good impression
anyway. We're never going to get that
information except for the guys who, you know, slipped the
cracks and are are superstars right away, right?
But like, that information is probably not available in the
summer. It's information we'll get in
season. So if you just are kind of
overweight, the cohort with your cheapest picks, you know, I
think you're getting upside and you're probably getting less
downside than at the running back position if you're just
taking total dart throws. Because a lot of those are
zeros. Like a lot of those like that's
your Chase's Chase Browns and those types of guys.
Plus, did we know at the time that CJ Stroud said take Tank
Dell? Or was that like a revision?
No, We knew that at the time. That was a story at the draft.
Dude that. Was.
None of us wanted to think CJ Stroud was gonna be good, So we
didn't? Yeah.
Just, yeah. But to be fair, can we talk
about what CJ Stroud has done? Because this is an atmosphere
there is we have elite the whatever the defenses are doing
with the cover 2 shells and everything, most quarterbacks
can't figure it out. Even the good ones are
struggling, right? Like even like we don't even
have MVP candidate. No one's putting up big numbers.
Nothing good is happening anywhere in any passing game and
a rookie in that environment. It's the lowest scoring season
in however long Last year was low scoring.
This is even more low scoring and a rookie in that environment
is having the best rookie passing season.
I've got to take. I've got to take on that.
These quarterbacks, the ones we all think of being as really
good, they knew. They remember what the NFL was
like before the cover, too. They cut their teeth before
that. Stroud is now just coming in and
being like this is just what the NFL is.
And I can figure that out because this is a problem for
me. He doesn't have the old habits
to unlearn. This is.
To him the problem is, as it exists now, he doesn't have to
uncode whatever Mahomes and Allen and Burrow and Hertz were
having to do before. You know, he's just coming in.
And also the back wide receiver is 5 seven which I said this
before and people thought I was joking, but like that's the type
of guy who beats the zone. The five seven guy with with who
could, you know do all that phone booth turn around type
shit that beats the cover too. Is that a hold?
Yeah, we're going to kick a field.
Goal seems like it's coming back.
Paul V also I mean like. What about every other QB draft
for the last three years? They all stink.
So they just are all, they're all bad.
So they're super bad. Yeah.
I mean, it's been a weird season because Allen's efficiency has
actually been super strong. But they can't catch a break on
in these one of these games. So he's going to miss in the
playoffs. He's going to go.
Down it's 100 point differential.
Who? Yeah, Al.
Josh Allen. Josh Allen's been amazing this
year. Like he's been super fucking
efficient. But if you go to league wide
numbers, the the scoring is down.
Everything is down. Like of course, of course, yeah,
I mean we've but we've got, we've lost a bunch of
quarterbacks. I think the quarterback play as
a whole is definitely worse. But I don't know that it's, you
know like for the top ten. I think it's worse.
Yeah, even for like the elites in the league, I think it's it's
not good. Mahomes has been a little bit
worse, for sure. Mahomes.
Mahomes like stinks. He's struggling.
On he doesn't think he doesn't have any fucking receivers like
receive Rice. But he was better last year with
like arguably worst receivers last year.
He. Doesn't, But the whole thing is
like Mahomes is supposed to be like one of.
Two quarterbacks in the league? That's an elevator, right?
He's supposed to turn Julian Edelman and Wesenoker.
Into superstars. He's eligible.
That feels that. Feels rude that you would say
that to me, but I'm sorry I took a shot at your second team.
My bad. Don't be that guy.
So the Chiefs play on Thursday night.
We could bring Davis back for another night of fandom.
The thing is, is that the Chiefs, well OK, but it's just
we're being robbed as football fans that he's having to figure
it out with Justin Watson, Marquez gambling and a just a
continual parade of clown slot wide.
Well, how about Rashi Rice looking like a fucking sick wide
receiver that they've been playing 50% of the snaps on
right? What are they doing?
What the fuck are they doing? They have routes for everybody.
Andy Reid is completely out outsmarted himself and this guy.
Everyone's got their own little sub package routes.
It's like, here's an idea, Andy. It's it's totally no.
It's good for whole game you don't need.
A bunch of sub packages for I. Think Eagles wide receiver coach
that we hated who we thought was was jobbing Jalen Reger.
But it turns out Reger wasn't good.
I owe this guy, like, a bunch of apologies.
I forget his name. He was.
I was like, this guy. This fucking guy won't play Jim
Rager. What's his problem?
He's like, just trying to, like, get by.
He's like, he's starting Travis Fulgum, like he's probably the
best wide receiver coach in the league.
And I was like this idiot. This was back when.
Pat was looking the. Pewter Report Like daily busting
back podcast updates. Just play raver.
It's not horror report. Yet.
Real ones don't even. There's like people who don't
even know what the daily Rd. Joe Named came from.
That came from Bat, literally giving daily updates about
Ronald Jones. This was back.
This was back when Pat would take Zach.
It's a hashtag on Twitter. The 8-9 turn, The 8-9 turn.
Every time all my Internet went out, Guys, sorry, we just took
Zach Moss. And Jill, dude, if you hashtag
Daily Rd. Joe, I just did it in 2020, you
can get a. Push.
Good, good Rd. dude. Who would use that hashtag too?
So it'd be like Pat's updates on Ronald Jones and like this
shirtless dude and. Oh my God.
See the shirtless dude He must be.
He would TI take shirtless picks every day.
It's been daily. I think he only did it two days,
though he pretty quickly daily. My daily Rd. show experience
didn't last that much longer, but I made it further than that
guy. These, these were the moments
that I was like, I want to, I want to do a show with these
guys. Like, I've seen this.
Video You're like, even I'm a little annoyed without confident
I am that we'll land Rojo here. This is August 2020.
I started like later in the years when I started coming,
coming on in in late 2020. But I was like, yeah, I want to
go draft Rojo these. Guys, the Jayla Raigar, the
Jayla Raigar and Zach Moss thing was literally, would we all
collectively had the come to Jesus thing of like, all right,
we slightly. Prefer this wide receiver to
this one, but maybe we shouldn't have 100% exposure.
To this one. In 0% to all of the others,
especially one of the other wide receivers, Justin Jefferson,
That's not a good process, no? Wonder you were sending letters
to the Philadelphia receivers wide receivers code.
Really. Honestly.
To A to a worse man that would have turned them into the Joker.
Like you would have actually become the Joker for for getting
the Joan Rager spot So wrong. But like, you know you
rebounded. You figured it out.
Luckily I luckily I did like both and in dynasty I I have
some Jefferson. I also have some rager, but the
rager rager he's elsewhere now. Well.
That means what? Pat sold us back then.
He's like, I want to take all my Rhaegar, the more volatile pick
in season long and I want to play it a little safer in
dynasty with Justin Jefferson. Well, he was more volatile,
Pete. I know he immediately lost his
job. Who's your favorite TCU wide
receiver prospect of all time and why is it Darius Thing?
Josh Dachshund? I forgot about him.
Wow. So they just.
Have they're oh, they're oh forever in good wide receivers.
I don't really have one yet. I give Fantasy Douche a lot of
props still to this day. But he wrote a piece about Josh
Dachshund and why he was gonna be good.
I I feel like it was about him being good.
Or maybe it was about him being bad.
I can't really remember. He wrote a long piece about.
I don't want to ruin the fantasy.
I was pretty out on Josh Dachshund and reading Rode of
his every single day at that point.
So I'm I'm going to guess he's probably out.
No. So it was here's what it was.
It was like, these are all the reasons he should fail, but he's
probably going to succeed. Was like, it was like a weird
like was like the last year he was doing.
That's kind of your classic Rotavizzi and piece where it's
like there's no fucking way you can old tanks expose this
because I'm still waiting to old tanks exposure.
Ladarius Green article on there Davis dude.
He would have got, he would have gotten there.
But the concussion? What in Year 7?
Generational Route by JSN? Wow, that was the easiest third
down conversion I've ever seen. I mean open score that.
It's. Probably pretty fucking open to
me on that one. Fellas.
Take Take that for Jada Karaine. Take that for the day off.
I don't know. It was he was along the
sideline. Was he in the flat?
Is that kind of? Did Ladainian Tomlinson go to
TCU? Yeah, yeah, he wants to TCU.
OK, so he that's the greatest Torn Frog player of all time,
yeah? Well then it's running back for
you, dude. They just can't produce wide
receivers, OK? Michael Parsons jumped off sides
and then oh, Jason caught that. No, Wow.
Michael Parsons jumped off sides and then the the offensive
lineman still kind of got in front of him and then he just
put that dude into blender. It was fantastic.
Speaking of, Speaking of things we got wrong like. 567 weeks ago
Remember how excited we all were to pick up Kendra Miller on our
NFFC Primetime Team? We were like, Oh my God, we
can't. Not as excited as I was to draft
him all summer long. More carries or more times Pete
took him on stream. Do your bland Yeah, you got a
fun fact for him and Kendra Miller drawn blank.
Got more beat for more touchdowns in this game then?
And then Carrie's Kendra Miller has the season, I think.
Man, I'm triggered, dude. What was the Nick Underhill
quote? He said.
He's like if he gets, he's like he could be the guy if he gets
run or something. I forget what it was.
Yeah. He had that.
It was like in the replies and we all fucking ran with it.
It wasn't even a public tweet. I mean here's the thing you can
only, you can only you can only take from Underhill what filters
through Silva. Silva knows kind of how to speak
Underhill. So, like if you're getting the,
if you're getting the Underhill from Silva, it's the good stuff.
You don't, you don't need to. You don't need 100%
unadulterated Underhill. Does Silva just like sit in his
lazy boy and text beat reporters all night?
Is that like? I feel like?
I feel like. I feel like he just facetime's
Underhill really. He's like I just, I need.
I need some that seems. I mean, I have no way of
knowing, but that seems like we would too.
I'm I'm calling Andrew Tina Silva and I'll call Andrew Tina
Silva, he messaged earlier today about connection.
I I'm sorry I can't. I'm not going to I'm not going
to break this here. But about a connection I did not
know he had and a player that I did not expect him to say that
he really wants us to add because like we got to add him
for Sunday. So I'm not.
I'm not telling you guys who would?
My my experience with, I'll tell you behind the.
Scenes. My my my experience with that Co
managing. With Silva is that it's always
some guy you have to pick up who does nothing and then you can't
cut him and he gets mad when he checks back in on the team later
And you cut him? Yep.
Can we can we talk about that throw to DJ Talis?
That was incredible. Balloon ball.
I mean, that was one of the best passes or worst passes in NFL
history. I'm not sure 'cause it was like
right in stride in the end. What was that?
Another offside jumping off side every play.
Are they trying to just like run the clock down and and waste?
They're like wasting time 5 yards at a time.
See, This is why you don't know a ball.
But Pete Carroll actually thinks if you get to 48 runs plus
completed passes in a game, that's successful, So he's
simply getting to the magic number.
Ben, if you think Pete Carroll's like, Twitter account, it's just
like retweeting things. That's like when the Seattle
Seahawks run the ball 38 times in a game.
They're undefeated. No.
Do you not know that about Pete Carroll?
He really believes that? Oh yeah, he does.
Bill Walsh's Bill Walsh's Magic Number.
He's like 75. Of course he believes it.
Well, tonight it's my magic number.
If we can get Zach Charbonnet to 14 carries, what would you guys,
what would you guys sell the ticket that has Tony Pollard
over rushing on it? For right now, I would trade it
for your Marquis Brown ticket. That's already dead.
That literally already dead. I think that's a more fun
ticket. I will go.
There to people I've already done the mental gymnastics on
like, well, maybe he'll break one and all we need is one.
We need 160 yard run. Half time sweats here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll definitely get those.
We gotta. See you gotta ball.
Well, I mean you guys definitely you gotta.
I mean Gretcha's got to be like brother we got to go over on on
JSNI mean. That's all.
Someone replied to our pick EM entry and called us a false flag
channel for not having JSN in one of the entries.
So we did. I mean that's a valid point.
Yeah, I mean that is false flag. I think we should go to JSN.
I'm feeling like it's this breakout game.
I don't know about you guys. I'm not getting that same
feeling, but I encourage you. Where he just got that stash,
it's. The breakout game, Davis says,
with the mush of all they're trying.
To say the guy knows how to play.
Ball. Oh my God.
Nick. Mark that time stamp.
One minute 29. Davis makes Jason great again.
Immediate capitulation? That's a catch.
If they overturn it doesn't move.
NFL That doesn't move. Oh, it's it's not a catch, but
they're going to give it to him because they called it.
I think the ball doesn't move. He's got it pinned right?
No, it does move, but they're going to give it to him on the
field. I think it's not a catch either,
but I think it moves a little. I think by the letter of the law
it is not a catch, but God this should.
Be God. We need this to be a catch
though. No, it's it's it's a touchdown.
They could that's pinned before it hits.
They might call this. It does slide.
It definitely slides, but it's pinned before it hits.
I don't think they need the ground to make the.
I don't think he needed the ground to make the catch.
Yes, it's coming back. If the call in the field they'll
they're they will stick with the call in the field they'll.
I think this one stands. I'm not confident this comes
back because they always talk about it when they have the the
refs on didn't need the ground to secure the catch and he
already had it pinned. It does slide a little.
What are they saying on? They're probably talking it, but
I think it comes back. No, they all this.
This is one that always gets. They always stick with the
field. Scam 's in the chat.
My entire reputation's on the line during this.
We'll see him up. We gotta get him.
What are they saying with the
referee on the on the on the stream?
Are they saying Davis? Bushy gets Bush.
I would, Dave says. It's a touch, a touchdown.
I'm like, fuck, it's not. These guys are saying there's no
way that stands in the chat and I I just disagree.
There's definitely a chance to stand.
I don't think it's. Certain like that on Sunday or
it was Monday Night Football. It was 1-2 where it was like
that. Two where it got pinned on the
ground but and they and they upheld it this, he's still
looking at it. It's.
I mean, this is where you're getting closer to stands.
It's they this is always where they stay.
When it's in my opinion would be it's whatever is on the field
stands. I think it's I I agree with you
guys. For the record, I don't think I
hate when people say sorry David, but I hate when people
say no one knows that it catches.
There are rules and there's always going to be questionable
ones on those rules. Like that's just the reality of
the game. There's going to be Gray area
ones like I'm sorry we had that on every other play, but on on
on this play they did and there's still regardless, I
agree they did and there's still going to be some that are Gray
area and they're going to do the best they can on those.
But like, I don't think I I, I don't know.
I kind of hate the whole thing about the like.
Nobody catches. You know what a catch is?
Having a tough time. This Rep is having a tough time.
See, I like what Trev's saying. What the fuck happened to Clear
and obvious? It's been 5 minutes.
You can tell this Rep, in this moment, literally does not know
what he's going to say. He has no, he doesn't know
because this is one that's right on the fence where if this was
ruled incomplete, I think they could have already moved on.
But it's like. Kent, are we sure enough to
overturn it? That's where you get into the
Gray area, right? But it has to stand.
He didn't. Wow, what?
Wow. That's a really tough oh oh.
Man. I think that's the.
Time stamp. I think that.
Honestly, I know. It would have been, it would
have been better content. I think that's a bad call.
And also, I just immediately went to go check my drafters
teams where I have 69% Jackson's at the Jigpa.
So I was hoping to see a nice little Sam Samuel White.
That wasn't easy. That took them 7 minutes bro.
That was a 5050 coin flip that could have went either way.
It was. I mean, in your opinion, maybe,
but this could be good for us if we get a sharp scare here.
You don't know how you can watch that and not agree.
They didn't agree. They weren't sure.
Sam Sam just had his his letter of resignation for the waivers
at ETR and he just got to delete it right there.
Dude, Princeton, fan's cousin just scored ATD.
No. Why did they Why did they just
flash Colby Parkinson on this? Yeah.
No, that was. Definitely no a fan.
Coby Parkinson. God, I'm so tilted.
I'm a guy that says all numbers look the same, and even I knew
that was Noah Fayette, not Coley Parkinson.
How am I not winning money in Showdown?
I feel like I have the good plays.
I guess I don't have enough Brandon Cooks.
Wait, they call the time out. Jesus tits.
What is happening in this game? Man, we called the time out.
Let's get in the lab. Let's get in the lab to pick
him. Lab.
We've got to have JSN on there now, so.
Tilted you definitely. JSN I I just he's not Jerry
Judy. He showed it to me.
He's good now. We played him in two.
It's all I do guys. We played him in two main events
this week where we had. Some I know that that's so
brutal. Liam Liam benched JSN on a team
with Jacob for Jalen Guyton. Now now, that's just fancy flay
syndrome right there. Now there's a flay.
All right, guys, I'm going to bed.
I wish you well. The only play that I would
request from this game is that you guys do not take a Tony
Pollard rushing over. I know it looks good.
I'm pretty sure we got our, I'm pretty sure we got our exposure.
To that. Already, Dave?
Yeah. You're good.
I I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
I wouldn't go there. And if you need a pepper, always
take the Raashi Rice Touchdown Pepper.
It's literally understood. All right.
Well, Davis, we're doing picks that are playing tonight, but I
appreciate that. But thanks so much for hanging.
Out Dave Davis Thank. You for calling.
Take Cats Sports Grid TV. Dave is fucking Matic and the
Seahawks are up. I did the Take Cats today with
Davis, by the way. Dude, how did they take?
What were the topics? Check that out.
Yeah, the top that you we talked about the the idea of that study
that came out that said if you make 30% more money, you'll be
everyone thinks they'll be happier.
You brought me on asking about it.
Did he Did he ask you if you won't be happy until you make 5
million? So you wanted to find out if
that's this is true? He said.
Do do you wish you won 2.5 million?
Oh. Man.
That's incredible. It was fun.
I enjoyed the conversation that I I don't know that I've been
more tilted than I am right now. Like laugh on his show
especially. Like trying to watch it.
I I I'm blanking on it right now.
It was on Monday night and it wasn't as big of a play.
It was like a third down. And I want to say it was Jordan
Addison and it was the exact same thing caught.
But completely dragged on the ground.
But because the ball didn't move, they they upheld it.
Like, you know how if the ball shifts then they're like, OK,
not a catch, but generally when the calls on the field is a
catch, if the football doesn't move, they allow the contact on
the ground, which is what I thought they were going to do
there. Yeah, I also feel like.
One called both ways. I agree.
I've seen that called both ways.
I but I do. I feel like reps have been not
not only are the rules and the penalties shifting towards
offensive play, but because like, the stats are down and
everything. I feel like they, like have been
letting some plays stand, 'cause you want the yardage instead of
like the penalty yardage. Like like legitimately like a
weird thing, but like we want we want this to be a long passing
TD in the stat book kind of a thing.
I just, I don't know, man. I I thought they were going to
let that stand for sure. That was wild, I think.
I think it was clear enough that it slid.
And, you know, and once you see that little slide, it's like
they're gonna have to explain some bullshit about why that
slide's not a real slide. I guess what they should say is
it just wasn't clear and obvious.
So we let it stand, right? I mean, everybody, I'm, I'm
scrolling through Twitter. I'm seeing a bunch of people
that are like, this just took forever.
A lot of other people think it actually was caught and I I
don't think he needed the ground to make the catch and he never
loses control. The thing Gene's territory
always says when it slides a little bit is he didn't lose
control, he maintained control but it slid.
He said this before when the ball slid like he maintained
control throughout the slide. Like it's still good.
Like, yeah, just that's a Alright guys, let's get to work.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's get to JSN over.
It is. And they have it.
Receiving yards. Yeah.
I I honestly don't mind. That that's a good.
It's 20. It's 20 yards.
For the. Geno is at 173, so that's still
a decent chunk. We need like a It means one more
touchdown. One more touchdown the attempts.
He is right on pace. Charbonnet is at 22 rush yards
and they have it set at 51 1/2 his rushing attempts.
We got it in good there because we had the 13 1/2.
It's now set at 16 1/2. We got Bobby Wagner, 5 assists.
Currently 6 1/2 is the number 6 1/2.
They're going to be running in the second-half.
I like it. Let's do that.
We need two more. Beautiful.
Bobby Wagner, How about this one?
So two I was looking at here. Zach Charbonnet receiving yards.
This feels sneaky because he hasn't had a catch yet, but love
it. I feel like the second the
Cowboys get get up here and they start flipping it, isn't he
going to catch a couple shutdowns?
Or is it DJ Dallas that we're worried about or something?
Well, we're worried about it, but he won't get phased out.
He was brought in as the third grade guy.
He won't get fully phased out. I agree.
Do you guys like that? Yeah, and like it.
I don't know if I love it, but I like it.
A little. Trickier, 'cause he could catch
one ball. It's only a half a lot of the
receiving, running back. Receiving lines are only like 15
yards, so like 10 yards for 1/2 doesn't actually feel like it's
that low 'cause he can catch like a 5 yard pass.
Yep. But I like it.
I feel ya. I feel ya.
So the Dallas stuff, just tabbing through it seems a
little tricky here. I don't, man.
They're not giving us like. Tony, Paula rushing over how
many How many routes have has Gallop or Tolbert run?
Do we have that? Did, did?
I will say I've seen Tolbert on the field far more than gallop,
but I don't know if that's backed up by the actual route.
Where is Yankee when we need him?
It's such a a concentrated passing attack though to to Lamb
and Ferguson. I I would hate to go that low.
I mean, it's one catch. Yeah, it yeah, it's definitely
one catch. Tolbert Tolbert, I like more
than Gallup. He's been, he's been trending
up. Yeah, it's a good question.
Has he has Tolbert run some some in the first half?
I think it's been about split. I would still take Tolbert.
Tolbert's been pretty good lately.
My question is this, guys. If we're betting on 2 Seahawks
receiving hires, then. We want to run.
Do you think Gino continues to have success?
Can he throw another 125 yards? Oh, maybe.
But Rico Dowdell's at 10 rushing yards and then line's 18 1/2.
Yeah, I. Like that, yeah.
That's that's the same one that we have it at.
This is what it is in our main one.
They haven't adjusted it like this is what it was at the.
So let's go and throw it back in.
Yeah, he's going over that, right?
Yeah, I think as long as like Dallas gets up at some point.
Yeah, let's do it. Depending on JSN Higher and
Chardonnay. And they've been moving the
ball. DK Big plays JSN big plays.
Let's go, Gino. You want to go past TD?
Yeah, or. Oh, sorry, I accidentally
clicked that. What do you like better?
I I think I'd probably just prefer the passing yards out,
but. What about the attempts?
Well, this is the one I wanted the under on at the start of the
game when it was 34 1/2. He's I just feel like the way
they his A dot or his, you know pushing it down the field
tonight has been really nice. You get the DK Metcalf yards
after catch. I mean, not that that we can
bank on that again, but they have been taking shots.
They have, they have. All right.
Yeah. I mean, we've got it correlated.
Why do I kept clicking? Do you guys have any favorite?
Would you want to do a pared down three leg version of this
or you want to rip the five? I think the five is pretty sick.
It's like it's a it's a it's all script relative the the Dowdle
and Wagner stuff correlates like the rushing with the linebacker
tackles and then all passing on the other side.
It's saying Dallas is going to get out ahead and that's sort of
what we expect. And I mean it's all correlated,
right? All same game script.
I love it. What?
How much do we want on this one? I want to go 100 at least.
I'd love this at least. Let's go.
Let's go 500. Wow.
All right, there's the, there's the link to this one.
Should we do a pared down version of that though?
Well I was just going to say, do you want to do like a like a
Geno JSN Dowdle or something? Like that, Yeah.
Yeah, like that. Yeah, just pare it down.
I do like that. Dowdle there.
The Dowdle's great. All right, let's do it.
We'll lock this one in. Nice.
I love it. All right, there's the, the.
Anything else you're seeing, Pat?
Let's look at the Dow stuff a little more.
I mean, I think, I think that one Tolbert catch is sort of
interesting. Oh yeah, I would play the
Tolbert gotta be on A5. Like it's not.
We shouldn't run a three with them.
Well, it's probably like, do you want to build out like a Dak
passing onslaught? Like, hey, we got the script,
they're just gonna keep chucking.
Yeah, I like that. The Tolbert Lamb Lamb is only
he's had 82 in the first half. Only has 40 more lamb with him.
I think Furgy too. I mean, only they.
Yeah, Furgy for sure. And you like the Tolbert?
Yeah, Tolbert. Oh, all four of them.
Let's do it. Just just onslaught.
Because if if he's getting another 140 yards, I mean.
What's our bring back? Yeah, we need to bring back.
Do you just want to do the JSN? I kind of feel like the Wagner
one is the like, like, that's the running a lot of plays, I
know, but that's two assists. That's a lot of completions, a
lot of yards, a lot of plays for Dallas's office, this gives us a
shootout. This gives us a shootout out if
we go JSN, as opposed to them just smacking them in the face
or the passing in, which is awesome.
Let's just let's just put JSN in all of them.
Might as well. Fair enough.
We had to rectify our sins of not including him in the first
batch. That's right.
There it is.
All right, we're locked. We're locked and loaded.
We're locked. I was just like we already did
Jason in the 1st 2:00, so do we really like?
I mean, I've been. Arguing for Jason all first
half, I realized. But like, how much do I want to
be? How much boil do I really know?
You know? Yeah, no, no one really knows
what an assist is, but it just it feels good to put it in your
entry. For sure.
Gets people going. It's provocative.
You know, we got another Dallas fan.
Who's that? Oh yeah, we got Steph coming on
here in a. Second, Steph coming on a
another Dallas fan coming on a little treat, Little double dip
Dallas fans. What's nice about locking JSN in
is, you know, you think about the air yards by Loman, I'll
normally have to wait till later in the week and then you're
trying to like capitalize on those unrealized.
Air yards. We just try to realize it right
away, Right away He's got 100 unrealized area.
We are going to realize them in the second-half this quarter.
Look, it's this breakout game. It's literally happening.
I I'm so mad. We got robbed at that clip.
God, it was going to Davis with just the chefs.
Kiss mush at the century of the day.
Call it incomplete. It's so so tilting.
I'll be right back. My God.
What? Just that overturn I'm I'm
tilted I'm I'm I'm like you can't take that long and not let
it stand you. I I legitimately am like really
upset about that, especially well, I guess like the the Long
was maybe talking about. The administration of the
penalty and stuff, I don't know, but Chad's asking what I'm
drinking. I grabbed a a combo pack of
Ninkasi Brewing. It's from oh God, it's from
Eugene, OR. I didn't realize that.
That's my Huskies are playing the Ducks tomorrow.
The the Ducks are based out of Eugene.
These are probably Duck fans. I'm probably drinking their beer
right now. I need to like pour this out a
combo pack of some different Ipas from them.
How am I feeling about the Washington Oregon rematch
tomorrow? Let's say that I have been.
This UW season has been permeating in the background of
my fantasy analysis. I've been a fan of UW since I
was like 11 years old and I've been going to games like I'm
still a huge ass fan. And this is the year we've been
waiting for basically for that. I've been waiting for my whole
life. Like they're 12 and O, they're
really good. They do stuff intelligently,
they're aggressive on 4th downs, all that stuff, but they've won
a bunch of one score games and so they're getting hated on not
just by the media but by the market.
They're like 9 1/2 point favourites at 12 and O tomorrow
night against Oregon, who they beat in Washington.
So yeah, I mean, I'm feeling a lot of things.
Like I they have a chance to do some really awesome shit.
Why are they 10 point underdogs? They're not at home.
They're in Vegas. The 10 point underdogs, they're
9 1/2 point underdogs. Holy shit.
Because they've won every like their last like 8 games by 10
points or fewer. And Oregon's been crushing
everyone since we beat them. And so like it's all margin of
victory based, all this stuff. But we've played a gauntlet of a
schedule. So there's a strength of record
metric which like includes the fact that you are 12 and O but
also who you beat to get there. We have the number one strength
of record in in all of NCA football.
Like we have a really, it's not a weak schedule that we've gone
12 and O against, but people are really obsessing over the the
close wins and we have been fortunate.
But I have this take where like if UW would have lost one of
those games. I don't think they're as big of
underdogs. Like, it's one of these things
in the like the 2023 space that we're in where people are
rushed. So hard to to.
They over regress right? Like they they were like this
team has won all these one score games and gotten so lucky I got
to bet against them and then you get like even in the market
itself. I honestly believe like if we
would have lost early and gotten upset early and then been this
plucky 1 lost team that was able to come through and all these
additional games. I kind of feel like we would be
looked at more favorably going into this, this, this Oregon
game. But we're not as good
defensively as Oregon. Two really good offenses.
It's going to be, I mean I'm going to be hammered, Gypsy
State. Washington's going to get
smoked. I legitimately.
I legitimately think that's wrong.
I legitimately like and I I hesitate to give advice on teams
that I root for, but I legitimately think that they are
the better side to bet. Should I go bet 9?
And a half. Should I go bet that no, I don't
want you to put your Bunny on it.
I do think it's a mistake. I think it's an overreaction.
There's a lot of stuff. So we should bet it.
I'm not gonna blame you like Gretch, You know me.
I'm not the kind of guy that'd be like, oh, you had me bet
that. But I'm.
I'm going to bet it. And you can't stop me.
Yeah, OK, fine. My my analysis is it's it's a
bad line. It's a bad line.
That's my getting it at plus 10 right now.
How you feel about that? That's good.
That's easy. Like you get the, you get the 10
on top of it I think. It's a Pete.
There's a lot we can't control in this, but we can't control
getting the best number. That's all I care about.
I don't even care about the game.
I just shopped around at 19 different books and I got.
The Robert Robert makes a great point.
It's as if Gretch is also talking about the Eagles.
It's so similar to that where the Eagles are a one loss team,
but a lot of people are like, oh, they don't actually look
that strong. But it it in in a small sample
data sense where they've only played twelve games, they don't
look that strong. In a predictive sense, do you
guys really think the Eagles are bad?
Like, I I'm gonna probably take them against the Niners this
week. They're fucking underdogs at
home. That is kind of wild.
They're a good team. Like, I don't care about the 12
games. It's a small sample, like that's
a good football team. They match up against the
Niners. Looking into it, I was like, I
don't love this for the Niners offense.
I think that the Eagles defense is kind of viewed as like a
really shitty D, but they've got a good pass rush and they don't
have the blitz, so. Have you can get to Brock party
without blitzing. I think that that that affects
him a pretty big way, because isn't that Isn't that saying
that on a neutral field the Niners would be 6 point
favorites against the? Eagles.
That's nuts, no? No, 9.0 Yeah, six.
Sorry, sorry six. But they wouldn't be 9 point
favorites at home. Maybe the home field advantage
is only worth wait. Am I doing that?
I thought it was worth 3. I know, but I I think it's worth
a little bit less than it used to be.
So that might be part of it. It's it might be shifting closer
to a neutral field than, so maybe it's only worth 2.
This comet. Home field's not worth three.
Oh yeah, home field's more like 2 1/2 now.
Yeah. So that that's probably part of
it. All right, Sharps carries.
Let's fire it up. What are you ahead or you're
hoping for? Yeah, I just watched Sharp get
his carry. Oh shit.
How did you get ahead? What the fuck?
How do you think I knew to bet Washington plus ten?
Man, I. Already know they won.
Why didn't? You have more conviction then
you know I can't reveal that I'm a fucking dive traveler.
My take on Washington, So look, they've struggled.
But so we talked about the Cover 2 shell stuff.
The first like four or five games.
They were really, really good. They were blowing everyone out
and explosive plays down field. And they have a top ten overall
pick. Roma.
Doom's a wide receiver who's fucking good and I've I've been
wrong on like John Ross before. I've also said that a lot of UW
guys that went to the pros are bad.
Jason. Yeah, oh.
Yeah, baby. Oh yeah, we'll take the yard.
Hey Ben, guess what? In the flat.
We love to see it. But Roma Dunesay from UW Legit
contested catch rate really high.
This is this is financial advice Early 2024 best ball draft.
Roma Dunesay. He's going to go on the top ten.
His I just mentioned his contested catch rate because I
saw a stat this week somebody shared.
But it's like through the roof. It's incredible.
But he's made a ton of incredible plays and the last
couple weeks our number two has got has had no catches 2 weeks
in a row. And and all the attention's been
on doomsday. He's gone 100 plus and two TDs,
three straight games and we've been winning by one score.
He keeps, he keeps like us in games right now.
Like he is a legit number 1A in big games right now.
Steph. Steph Miller in the house.
Not a Davis Maddock fake Dallas Cowboys fan.
You You bleed, you bleed. What are your guys's colors?
Blue and silver. Real stuff right here.
Got my Parsons jersey on. Nice.
Can you put a Tony Polar jersey on?
We need some good mojo. For him too.
I I don't have a Polar jersey. Sorry, this is the only one I
have. Well, I have a DAC one, but it's
signed by Brandon Cooks. Don't ask.
That's a funny story. So, I mean, not Brandon Cooks.
Stephon Gilmore. Oh wait, I saw the photo of this
right when you met him. Yeah, that's outside of my
apartment. I live right by * that you were
asking him to sign a DAC. Jersey.
I don't think he even noticed. I mean, like I was just trying
to get anybody's attention because I thought I was there
before anybody else. But of course, I lined up at the
wrong side of when they where they're all coming in, yeah.
So I passed. How do you feel about your
beloved Dallas Cowboys Down 1 to this dusty Seahawks team?
Well, all I really care about right now is my main event team
and our. Prime Time Team.
So I wanna, you know, win some money, but yeah, tell the people
about our prime. It's hard.
It's hard with the fandom. So yeah, so we had to pick if we
were gonna start Gino or Matthew Stafford, you know, 'cause
neither match up is great. But Gino, I mean, I am.
I'm impressed. He's holding his own, you know,
I said we are, Yeah, we had already.
Like we're talking about. We'd be happy with like 15
points and we were already like there at the half.
So I'm like, yeah. We're at 202 we'll take 202 six
point passing touchdown over there on on on NFC well we'll.
Take that. Well, we're close to like, you
know, we have two more weeks there to seal a spot and it's
like we're in the mix with several other teams.
And then because unfortunately, we lost last week and so did the
team. That was one ahead of us because
we had the 2nd Test record. Yeah, who else?
Who else? Let the people know who else is
on that squad? Who?
We're sweating this week. Oh gosh.
We have Kelsey, we have Jason, We have QJ.
We don't. We didn't start them, though.
We did start Marquis. Scrap.
The two players were sweating. Don't say all the Dusty players
were benching this week. We got we got Gibbs, Grace Hall,
Garrett, Wilson, Devo, Samuel. DeAndre Swift.
So funny because we had we took Gibbs there and it was after the
the Thursday night game and he fell much further than he was
usually falling. It was like oh, this is sweet,
but we took him over Travis, Etienne and there was like weeks
or it's just like I think about that that was that was my Roman
Empire. I was just think, I really was.
I just think about us. I was like why don't we just
take Etienne, who we also really liked and we just got wrapped up
in the Gibbs value. But then I I'd rather have
Gibbs. Rather Gibson.
Oh, I'm sure. Definitely.
And we have Priest too. Yeah, Aaron Rodgers?
No. And we well, we, well, we had
Aaron Rodgers to start. Peter, right.
Was that you? The newsletter today?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was.
It was pretty good. I wrote about in the.
I was just like. I was still thinking, 'cause I
was like, I. Can write the newsletter at like
1:00 in the afternoon because I know that's gonna be the biggest
story that happens today. But I also just so frustrated
having to write about Aaron Rodgers again.
Pete, We're up to dude. Zach Chardonnay higher on 13 1/2
free money, dude. Are we up to 13?
No, no, we're up to 12. You're right.
I. Think you guys are gonna be
starting. Chardonnay. 13 They just
updated. Nice.
Right.
One more. Oh, am I behind?
Was it? Did they run on 2nd and goal?
Oh God, that's what it is. Ben, you and I are both behind.
How do we get behind Pat? I don't know, man.
Have we always been behind And Pete's just now, Pete 's I'm
way. Ahead of you guys, what did you
just see I? Don't know the app.
I'm reopening my app, I'm just putting the clothing Parkinson
TD stuff. No.
I think Bezos. I'm.
Like, well, I'm usually I went behind because I didn't know the
phone thing, so I was always like 30 seconds behind you guys
and then now. I'm like, oh.
JSN on the field, JSN Motion. Let's go.
Yeah, I I had Dan Quinn talking. JSN inside RAP we know No.
All right. We'll take it.
We we started it. We just.
Talked. Now I see.
Micah, can we just? Appreciate.
Because we get a lot of shitty Thursday night.
This is a fun ass game. That's what I've been saying.
I was like, I mean, I was always excited that what touchdown?
See, I'm ahead. I didn't believe it.
I was celebrating that about four minutes ago.
Oh, am I that far behind? Oh shoot, I'm not alive.
Penalty declined Legacy game. When I switched over to get on
the stream, I guess I got off the live.
So no, I am no longer ahead of you guys this.
Game rules. I'm it's loving last game,
Steph, how you wrote up, because there's a difference in like the
playoffs with how they're working with a lot of our NFFC
and FFPC. This was the end of the their
true regular season for FFPC. Let the people know how our
overall portfolio did through 12 weeks here.
So we had seven. You guys have seven teams and
five of them got through, right? Cool.
I think it was 4I. Think you or four of them got
through four of them. Four, but the rear auto bids
into the to the Sprint. Yeah, already walked into one.
Was barely not in auto bid too right?
The yeah. And then yeah, my main event
through. But I'm in the four seed, so I
have to win my. Yeah.
Tournament here. Yeah.
Well and Steph, I I know we we gas you up a lot when you're on
here. But we truly all like attribute
so much of the success this year to the teams in our playoff
advancement to the grinding you did on the waiver wires.
And it it's one of those things right where each micro decision
in itself isn't what does it for you.
But you stack those up over the course of the season, and that
collectively adds one win, or adds, you know, 50 some points
or whatever it is. And that is the margin of
getting even one extra team into the playoffs.
And so kudos to you, for you're directly responsible for helping
us have our best year in high stakes.
So far so. This is your best year.
Well, Congrats. That's awesome.
That makes me feel even better. 100%, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, you're the. Shit, it's not just that we have
four of the seven in the playoffs in the three auto bids,
is that we've got the NFC teams are doing well.
So like there's this whole other crop of teams that's coming in
that we're expecting big things from too.
So be one thing. If, like our FFPC teams were
good and the NFC teams were a struggle that that hasn't been
it. Yeah, I'll pull up this week's
edition of Fabulous Football. This is Steph's free weekly
newsletter posts, a couple editions, a general home league
edition for the normies out there who still have Josh Downs
available in their league. And then we have the sicko
edition here. So Steph, tell us a little bit
here about. What you I'm going to, I'm going
to chime in real quick. It's not just us saying this
every week because we do say this every week.
I have, I've heard more feedback about this newsletter and every
single thing has been glowing then I think anything else that
I've heard feedback on this year.
I mean, everyone loves this newsletter who is getting it and
it's not just we're not, it's just not just the biased people.
So make sure you're getting the newsletter.
Well, I appreciate that guys. So, yeah, yeah, let's, let's do
a quick walk through here of the the, the teams that we can do a
little Week 13 waiver stuff here.
So how we looking in NFFC stuff? Well, you see on top there, the
Boomers are killing it. They're in first place and you
know they could get, I get they get a sweet bonus, I think in,
in both, right. You can get a sweet bonus if you
get the highest points and the best.
Record. I'm not sure if that's only an
FFBC thing. I'll have to look at the money
payouts. But yeah, that team should have
it locked and loaded. I mean, they're in the top 100,
they're 53rd overall, and not just, you know, their league,
but the whole entire contest. So that team is awesome.
Ship taking might be done, unfortunately.
Talk to Davis about ship taking. Steph, though, is still grinding
the waivers. She she'll ask a stuff and Davis
will go. Steph, Steph, you got to let
this team go. No, I didn't ask.
I just put in. So you didn't 'cause you had a
it was a kicker. It was a kicker or defense on
by. And I was like, look, I'm
already on the site. Halloweens.
No, Steph, you're like, you're like me, like when I when I'm
locked in on it too, like I see it to the bitter end.
And you you also don't want these other teams to have a
slightly easier path to victory, right?
You want to make them fucking earn it too?
Yeah, like they can't just sleep and think that it's going to be
there, 'cause? No, no.
Yeah. So Davis, we always combined the
drafts, the shittiest teams, but our ship chasing TV or 4th
place, 170 or 17120 points here. Can this team do some damage,
Seth? Yeah, I mean, like you're in the
mix. I mean, there's like 3 teams I
think that are like all within just a few points and a lot of
our team like leagues here are like super competitive.
It's gonna come down to the very like bitter end like anybody,
like anybody can win it. Honestly, Shark jumping is way
ahead. That's that one.
It's not even, like, really close.
The Leoni drafts with the anniversary Davis.
Whenever we pair up on Leoni, we draft nutted teams.
And the the Leoni teams are funny because like sometimes
I'll like, I remember when we were drafting this team being
like, if this team's like the best team.
I was like, there's going to be some, I'm going to have some
pretty bad teams. I guess it was enough different
than my usual stuff. And I do, I do have some pretty
bad teams, you know. Luckily there was enough overlap
with what I was generally doing. I like when Leoni goes and gets
his own projections, though. That's true.
It's true Silver Bullet team, our single entry team here.
Rough week but still in the mix with two weeks to go because a
bunch of teams bunched up here and then our our main event team
here Chase and go Bills. We got the two seed our ship
chasing minisodes team that was the team we did.
We drafted the slow draft back in July.
We we have DK Metcalf on the bench in that league tonight
because we have so many good wide receivers.
On on that one stat chasing rest in peace that our mahomes Kelsey
Stack did not hit this year. Crack rock ever since he came
down with COVID and couldn't make it out to Vegas.
That team was cursed. Slow Bros man.
This was a Tony Pollard team with Tyree Kill that man.
When you told me at the beginning when we got Tyree Kill
and Tony Pollard, I was like, this team's going to Cook.
Tony didn't do his part stuff. I mean that scene had a shot
till the end, like there was, it was a long shot, but they
weren't total. Like, I mean, you know, because
Paul already had, you know, it was a little bit better.
But you know, we couldn't not, you can't not start your stunts.
No, it's hard. It's like, who else are you?
Gonna. I'm live.
I I saw that now. There you go.
IA Little banged up. Shake it off, buddy.
No chasing stolen bananas. This is the team with Sean that
we just narrowly missed the auto bid ETN getting stuff at the
goal line twice last week, really starting to stink a
little bit. Couple $1000 swing on on the.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, and you have Puka on
that team too. Yeah.
You know, so there's been, there's been like it's been a
kind of a rough couple weeks on that team, 'cause I it did look
like it was, yes. In line to get first or second.
Seed And then I was. Surprised about your 4-5
horsemen because that one could have gone either way.
Like it? Like it got a win, those wins
and all of a sudden got the one seed because enough stuff like
fell right? But like, it could have easily
fallen out for sure this one if you just checked the scent.
Like if you just read our DMS with Hassan and Blair all off,
you'd be like this team is like 3 and 10.
Is the biggest pessimist I've ever like.
I'm a pessimist and I'm constantly like Hassan, dude,
like. This is gonna be OK.
But if you tell Hassan, you'll be like, yeah, you're right,
team sick. I I legitimately thought this
team was like, dog shit. That stuff's like, Oh yeah, you
got the one seat. I'm like, wait, what?
Last week I was like, I was pushing back.
He was like, oh, we're we're headed for a loss After
Thanksgiving. He's like, oh, this looks like a
loss. I'm like Hassan.
We're fine, dude. We're like like projected to be
within like 2 points at this point.
Like, we'll see what happens. Like, I was blinding it down all
weekend in our chat, like, hey, we're still in this.
We're still looking good. Good.
Speaking of good, Steph, we we got to get a bow on your regular
season here. Round one playoffs.
Scott. Fishbowl.
You're sitting in 16th place here.
Yep, and I did start JSN 'cause I had some week 13 buys there,
man. They screwed.
You're with us, you're with. So what was the playoffs?
That was a touchdown, was it not?
As a Cowboys fan, you're you're not your objective.
So they take your average. From the season and then it adds
for the first round, it adds that week your points.
So then they it's a certain percentage are eliminated and
then but then in the next ones, which I I didn't realize, I
thought it was just your season average, they actually re
average it. So now the season average will
include week 13 and then add on or I mean exclude week 12 'cause
that was the first week. And then it keeps doing that
that way, which I thought was kind of interesting.
'Cause I guess it 'cause I guess it rewards you a little more if
you're doing really good in the playoffs that way, which, you
know, I mean a lot. I think I might be able.
I'm hoping that some of the teams ahead of me might be like
Josh Allen teams or you know, teams with a stud in Week 13
that I could jump ahead 'cause I have Hurts in Purdy, so I'm
still pretty strong there. Thanks.
Yep. The only guy I have is
Hawkinson. That's a big one on by Yeah,
what stuff did. You think JS NS touchdown should
have? Stood.
Yes, because I because I have an obscene amount and we play Gina.
So I'm a little biased. Yeah, let me be objective on
this, but I thought it could. Have and I did think they were
discussing. It wasn't clear and obvious, I
mean. To turn over.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Exactly.
I'm with you. And he was open.
He got open. He did get open, he.
Got. We'll see a little uptick.
It might be even 40 percentile next week.
But what was somebody sent you? Something about like open score,
not liking slot receivers as much I saw.
I think there might be something to.
That I didn't look. Yeah, it it looked, it's OK.
I need to look further into that too, I think.
Just anecdotally, that checks out like Aman Ross saying Brown
doesn't rate well. Oh, that seems like a problem.
Maybe it's not like it's not universal because some of the
guys like Keenan Allen is number one in the metrics, so that.
That was Pi. They didn't throw a flag.
Well there, there have been so many fucking flags in.
This I know, but he like Bobby. Are you Dallas?
On his back, Yeah, he can't do that.
He's throwing his hands. Up Always a bunch of flags in
Dallas games. I swear we get like those
officiating crews every time. Pete, we were talking about
Ferguson's action here. He has now gone over the
receptions and the yards, but is .15 if I'm not listed yard?
Oh, I was looking at the halftime one.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's that it's the touchdown equity.
We paid for the touchdown equity, which I feel like was
the correct decision, 'cause he's gotten so much, he's gonna
get there, yeah. He's gonna get there one more
catch and we're there on all of it.
That was sort of my point is like, you get there, you know,
correlatedly sometimes. But you could get there without
all that stuff. If he just gets here, it is.
Oh, he was open. I thought they're.
Gonna. Oh no.
Are you watching the All 22 that's.
Acting. She knew that for 10 minutes.
I I don't have the All 22. I've never actually watched the
All 22. I don't want to have to read and
stuff. I'm like, let me just relax.
Yeah, I mean once you just give in that all numbers look the
same, you don't need someone pointing.
No, but writing, you know, writing stuff now, it's like, I
am, I'm watching like games and I'm like, oh, why am I working
while watching games and like trying to like look for things
and look at usage and snaps. And I'm like, Oh no.
Come on, Fergie, you got to. What's happening?
Oh, oh. Oh, you had him.
You got to put that on him. Another flag.
Why is that a high oh, another flag?
But also, it's Danny Kelly just last a really long time. 16
penalties for 212 yards combined.
Yeah, but look, we're getting a lot of of, you know, recording
time here. We're gonna go 4 hours tonight.
Yeah. Are you Are you gonna be sad
when you don't get to grind waivers anymore?
Are you like when the when it comes to an end?
A little. Bit I I think there might be
like. I mean, I I'm like not going to
know what to do with all this. You know extra time not writing
this article every week and spending all this time and.
You know, looking. At routes and parsing through
probably relax and draft baseball team.
No, I was just going to say. You're going to draft baseball?
Teams. Playoff teams, Yeah, I haven't
yet. One carry over 3 yards.
No, I mean one that's not losing yards.
He just lost 3 yards. I'm ready to sacrifice Pollard
and just let's make it Rico, Susan.
I was so, I'm so excited about Pollard.
Now I'm like I'm out. Of.
It was, really. It was.
It was very it was well and Seahawks have been getting
dusted by running backs over the past.
I think they've given up a 5.2 yards per carry over the past
five games. Right.
Yeah, it was a lot Burgie. Burgie Burgie Doesn't even
matter. Oh, score.
We'll take the TV. Yeah, he did.
He did. He.
Didn't.
Score. Uh oh.
The problem is we need. I'm like one on how far had.
You. He was almost fighting. 35 ish
yards on Pollard. I mean like he's got to get,
he's got to hit a 20 yard run. He he's got to hit a big one,
yeah. Yeah, I don't think he's hitting
a 20 yard. Steph, let us.
Have. It let me the.
Oh, that's a long debate. The terms that Mike McCarthy
isn't a huge donkey like that. He somehow over the bye week has
figured out how to call place is.
Paul is Lamb over on the I don't think he's over yet.
I think we need one more. I do.
That was our debate was Lamb or Pollard?
I I kind of pushed this towards Pollard, dude, And then
Pollard's stone hands dropped that TD.
Are you? How was he so bad at football?
He used to be good. Remember when he used to be
good? That was a good throw, I think.
Right. We need.
He was a replay, but. Didn't he play wide receiver at
Memphis? PAT?
Isn't that the whole thing? Oh no, that's Antonio Gibson.
But I. Think he?
Had good. He had good hands.
I mean, I don't know what happened.
Well, he can catch for sure. But we don't use him as a.
Receiver at all anymore. It's like he forgot everything.
He threw it. Behind, but it did hit him right
in the face. Hit him in.
The face. Yeah, that.
That should have been caught. Give it to Fergie.
Go to the real Fergie. No.
We won't land we. Won't land for those, Yeah, OK.
Yards, yards, yards. Baby, all are gone.
Yards. And yeah, we still need so many
more yards. You need so many more.
I wish we took fantasy points. What What was that?
I would do. It was too high.
It was like 14 point. Five It was really.
High, yeah, it was really high, 'cause I, when my phone, you
know, didn't. Put in the Pollard pick because
that line was gone when I got home and tried to do the pick.
Em's and I looked at the other things for him and I was like,
oh, those are really high. I'm not taking that.
I'm like, I'll stick with the four.
Yeah, they are. They are running the ball like
they're they. But they were down this way now.
Pollard ran down 8. So, Steph, so.
Steph has our five without. The discord there was a period
of like 5. Minutes before the Pollard
number. And Steph was so impatient that
she just kept clicking and mashing buttons.
And so she got it without Pollard.
That's so sick so well. I I have two, I have two.
Without it, I don't know. I haven't.
Looked. I haven't pulled it up and then
I but then I went and put Pollard back in, so I have two
of the threes. He's only in the.
Well, you know, it's funny because I said I was driving
through like a torrential downpour in Dallas earlier, Like
when, you know, I have a long drive to work and, like, you
couldn't see the hand in front of your face.
And I was scared and I was like, oh, Lord, please protect me.
And then when I got home, I was like, man, he was trying to
protect me. And I didn't listen to me.
Paul protecting you by keeping Pauline down to your pickup.
Thank you, Jesus. And I was like, Nope, got to go
back and fix this all. Right, so Powler's averaging 2.5
yards for carry. He's at 35 yards.
What do we need? 62 and. 1/2 The good news is
it's a close game and they're not going to pull him.
Yeah, that touchdown was was good.
That was really good because we need them to be.
You need them to get the ball back and just run it down their
throats. For did they get the conversion?
They kicked an extra point. Mike McCarthy, ladies and
gentlemen, they kicked. The.
Extra point Why? Why am I seeing 2827?
I'm down here texting people back while I I took the the game
off my phone so I could. I see a commercial, so I have no
idea. Yeah, it's 2827.
They kicked an extra point. Insane.
So my main event team, I'm going against somebody that played
Dallas defense and the Dallas kicker.
There you go. Cooking.
Well, I'm against them. I'm.
I don't have to wait, but what? What's the Dallas?
Has the Dallas defense done? Much.
I don't know. I'm hoping not.
I I'm scared to look. Shout out Ben Cummins who just
pointed out this is not a traditional Thursday Night
Football game because both teams have had a week off to prepare.
They both play on Thanksgiving. Hell, man.
They should do this. They should like just make cause
what? How many?
Like let's say you're gonna get like 3 prime time games.
They should just be like your Thursday.
This year all your prime time games are Thursday which would
probably reach the TV deals. But it would be so much better
be such a better. It's like they give these teams
buys when they come back from Europe and it's it's like it's
the same concept. I mean playing on.
The right They should do their buy.
Yeah, around the Thursday night. I don't know why they don't.
It's crazy. Or they should just schedule
good teams for Thursday night well.
You know what they should do? They should cabin play Thursday
coming out of the buy, right? Yeah, that's the idea, yeah.
That makes sense. And then you get an extra 10
days on the backside of that you can do, the teams don't want to
do that is what I've heard like like essentially like when you
think about like the like talk to the teams and they don't want
to do it. And like they've asked the teams
about the London thing, if they want to have the buy all around
their London game and most of them decline, like they don't
want to do it. They I don't know why.
'Cause like the buy is like a sacred thing where they just
like, take the time off, yeah. It makes sense, all right?
Since we already hit our sharps, we're we're now rooting for the
the JSN Gino air it out. Oh yeah.
Oh well. There's yeah, we we JSN I I
took, I took all this half time stuff with you guys.
You give Pete a one point lead, he will run the ball.
Let me tell you, he's gonna run the ball.
Does he? Does he need a one point lead to
run the ball? Maybe.
Maybe McCarthy's playing chestnut checkers.
He kicked the extra point because he knows that's going to
make Pete think that he's honestly, honestly, it might be.
I mean, it might be really sharp because Pete's like it might be.
He will hold Pete's eyes. Right now he's like, holy shit,
dude, holy shit. We're about to do, not tied.
It's a one point game. No, I was watching NFL Network
before the game and they were talking about the magic number
of runs to win. I laugh every time I hear that.
Wagner 6 assists Isn't that what he was?
What was he at when we he was at 5:00?
We got five, so. We we got one of, we got one of
the two we needed. He was at 5 and 6. 1/2 was the
number. Gino is We need 95 more passing
yards from Gino for that one. That feels.
It feels doable. Doable.
I don't. I don't mind the punt here,
though. Yeah, no, that's great.
Get some Pauler. Wow.
What a was that? It was an INT.
Oh yeah, yeah, it was. Yo, can we talk about?
I like the short field, but is Tyler Lockett washer.
Is Tyler Lockett play? No.
Yeah, I I kind of feel like, I mean, Lockett's been like.
He's not done anything this year, has he?
Like I haven't even really thought.
About it. I wanted to do Locket lowers
tonight, 'cause I just feel like I've just been feeling him
getting so squeezed in this offense.
This dude has always been highly efficient.
Like, his yards per target have always been way above average.
There's 7.3 this year. Like that's that's real bad.
And I mean, he he's 31, like he's not.
He's like Adam Thielen's age. Like, I'm talking about Adam
Thielen being washed at 31. Like I.
Oh, there. You go.
There's the Adam Thielen, though.
But now, Jay said. The one point?
5-9 years per album. Is that interception?
With good or bad? Is that just, like, fucking
neutral? I don't know, Gina.
Was not good for us. We want the script to flip.
Oh, Feeling's 33. Oh.
Yeah. Yeah, I just wish Dallas had a
bigger field. Me too.
Yeah, me too. But I still think it's good for
us. Like if we can get like, yeah,
20 yards, yards. That'd.
Be so sweet. They're already in field goal
range. They'll come out running.
We need them to come out running, you know.
Take take showing up fashionably late.
Rewind about two hours. We need to get all the JSN talk
you. Need some JSN talk bud?
This whole podcast is basically it's sponsored.
But literally just JSN. How?
How how about JSN? Do you guys have in Best Ball?
Stuff let's just. Not more than we should.
I think he's my highest drafted guy on DK, 19 percent.
I I look if he doesn't break his wrist in August.
Then we would have more Jesus. Man.
I guess the last time we were about to end the JSN
conversation, he dearly scored like a 50 yard touchdown.
That's. I'm like, you gotta get the
vibes like he needs. He needs us talking about it.
Such a good luck, Davis goes. I am not sharing that same
feeling, but I. But what was the exact?
I'm not sharing that same feeling, but I encourage it.
That's what it was. And.
Then he, we thought, caught a long touchdown.
It's so perfect. Shout out to producer Nick with
us in the hopper tonight, always keeping time stamps here so we
can get some good clips made. And he does already have this in
real time. If you're just tuning in and you
don't want to hear a sweat this gave in real time, and you want
to hear us argue about JSN for literally 25 minutes, you can go
to 2715. JSN is polarizing.
When when he originally broke his wrist, Sam Sherman was in
our our ADP chasing chat and it was like, he was like, I'm just
like he was so tilted that JS NS Price was not going to change.
That's evolved like because of us and how much we're going to
keep touting him. He's just like he was free.
I was like, you have to wait. You have to wait might change.
You can't be tilted. Yeah, that was so good.
Come on Rico, we need more from you on those carries.
But in hindsight, good take I mean.
Broken. Broken.
Well, he did. He did actually drop.
I think he dropped enough. He did he.
Dropped them, yeah. Yeah.
Then I just started like drafting more Drake London and
other people I shouldn't be drafting done.
Drafting JS in at those prices and then I was like well now.
He's cheaper, these guys, Rico, Rico got the first down carry
there after the turnover. Yeah.
I think we only we didn't need that many yards from Rico.
I mean, I feel like he should be there, right?
Yeah, I don't know what Jover means, but it's Jover for
Pollard sends Jover 7 times tonight at least.
Adam wonders if we're hype for Steelers Pass next week.
I know this feels like, oh, it's going to be a gross game, but
dude, I get to. Drink and watch football and
play fantasy with my friends on camera for 3 1/2?
Yes, I'm my first. Yes, next week.
Literally. Always fun.
Like always a good time. Honestly, I am too.
Like we get some debate. You know, Baileys, appy or
whoever the Steelers end up drafting is the best.
You'll find ways to know what earlier tonight in.
Our in our. Slip I got, I got.
Ellen, Warren and Naji. I mean, it's going to be great.
I got to read a Pat Curran quote from earlier tonight and let's
find it. Did you guys see the underdog
tweet Pickett? Pickett carrying us to the
playoffs is too funny of a bit not to happen.
What team? Is it on when I was?
Doing the right now, it looked like it might happen.
That's labor, Is it? No, it's.
Which one is it in? It's in our one of our teams,
Ben. Yeah, I don't know the the, the
NFC ship chasing prime time. I believe we're looking at it.
Did you guys, 'cause we have, we're dropping Levis.
We have Levis, yeah. Oh yeah, you don't have much
money is the problem. Yeah, that's that's the one
that's super close. You were just talking about
Steph. I was gonna message you Pickett.
This is this Pickett. Yeah, I think, I think pick,
yeah, Pickett's in a really good spot.
I tried to put him on a couple of teams and I got outbid,
'cause I wasn't aggressive in the house, 'cause I mean, I feel
like he was a spot for me, like I wasn't ever gonna play him
again that first. Down buddy.
Was that 4th down. Yeah, yeah, in field goal range.
Particular lead. Did you guys OK?
They don't need the field goals. Did you guys see the underdog
tweet that was like how many yard, 15 yard carries Naji
Harris has and all that was? An underdog tweet that was a
Nens tweet. Nens tweeted that?
Not a. It was the.
Oh, did he? Oh, OK Yeah, yeah, OK.
I thought he just came. Up.
So it's so funny too because like the I think the the Naji
fans are having like a hard time separating the fact that like
Naji can be quote UN quote good. But a bad pick like you can go
look at his advance Ray, his backfield partners outperforming
and the opportunity cost of picks in that range.
But they just they're so desperate to have anything to
validate taking. But it is funny.
It's especially funny because Naji Harris, so like he has a
bunch of 15 yard carries but he a lot of those carries are for
like, you know they're not for 40 yards.
Like, I think it's one carry over 25 yards.
So he's, you know, he's a he's getting chunk plays but he's not
getting like his success rate isn't isn't all that good.
And the really the only thing you can point to because he's
been completely phased out as a receiver.
So really only thing you can point to is that he's now this
explosive running back. But you kind of have to frame it
in this very specific way for for him to look super explosive
and that was his biggest red flag like as a prospect.
So it's like Naji here, we know he's not that explosive, that's
like who he is. So.
The whole dodgy discourse is is completely jump the shark.
But literally the entire point was he was a 7th, 8th round pick
that was being taken in the fourth round.
Like full stop. Like that.
That's all it ever. Well I I would say you know as
someone who is pretty anti Naji, he clearly was not and is not
the best running back in his own backfield.
So don't don't tell me he's a fourth round pick, but I think
you know there's that has aged like very well he's Warren has
outplayed him all season. Now if the Steelers, you know,
refused to to give Warren the backfield even in a 2/3 split
favoring Warren, that wouldn't shock me.
You know, he was a first round pick.
But yeah, they're going to. Cannibalize each other in a way
that's going to make It's going to be a one.
Thing. This is why you'd be price
conscious, because a a 5050 backfield split for a 13th round
pick is nowhere near as devastating as it is for a 4th.
No, Warren's been Warren's going to pay off his ADP.
Easily. Oh, you could go look at the
Yeah, it's already doing that. But.
I'm excited. Why by Warren teams, to Pete's
point, even if he's bad, it it like in the 13th round, it's OK.
Like, I mean, it's not great, but yeah, I mean, one of the
things I've been thinking about this here is Kyle Pitts asked
you so much of it is. If you just told me for a like
100% that a guy was going to stay healthy, he would be.
Kristen Princeton fans, Cousin is having himself a game.
Tonight. I remember when we used to like
Noah Fant, or we thought that Noah Fant was going to be
something before he. You know, I was in.
The fell off the face of the earth.
Still drafted some Noah, Fant shares this offseason.
I've always liked, I think Noah Fant still could be good.
I I did. Tight ends take a long time to
break out, right? Career arc.
He could be. He could have Jared Cook's
career arc. OK, He could have Eric Ebron's
career arc, right? You go find a team that's going
to use him. No, they don't.
He's good. Yes, Pat, this is another one
where he's. Clearly good go, DJ.
In Dallas, what's happening? Well, one of my dynasty teams,
everything about fan from like a a per route run basis has always
been good. Just no one's ever.
They don't play. Some teams don't do that.
It might be a fan thing, but it might just be the teams that
he's played on like he's had a weird career.
He's also like you know he came in as kind of a hybrid Y kind of
guy kind of the Kyle Pitts big receiver type of mold and some
teams don't want they don't want that or they shouldn't say they
don't want it but they don't want it in a full time capacity.
So you know that can that's one of the dangers actually.
A lot of times I think fantasy we gravitate toward the big wide
receiver archetype, but sometimes those guys get kind of
pigeon holed as part time players and routes are really,
really important to tight end where it's like slim margins.
Yeah, Jacob Sanderson just retweeted himself.
Normally deplorable behavior, but I'll read it because it's
funny. Noah Phant makes the type of
play that transcends the tight end position every third time he
touches the ball, but for some reason, he's eternally locked
into a beachfront timeshare with big Montana Zach Sharpen Egg
Cookie. That that was explosive.
Start of that play. That was a rush, not a checked.
Out I I didn't see. The part of it.
Either I didn't see it either with the pass, yeah.
We have the. We need that, Oh.
Yeah. Oh, yes.
That is very. Good for us.
I forgot we took the passing from the second-half.
Oh no, that was a pass. Yeah, I forgot about that.
Let's. Go How many yards was that?
That was huge for the Gino too. I mean, he smashed the the
receiving yards, 39 receiving. Nice.
Gino is now a little less than 30 off 32 more yards from Gino
here in the whole fourth quarter.
We're getting there. I mean JSN.
I'm not expecting him to hit or do anything, you know.
And if Jason blows up this ticket for us, we're gonna,
we're gonna have. To have a harsh Why not put him
on every halftime ticket We got some we have some new
information the. The game script for this one is
is man, Rico, I need another beer.
Yeah, I'm gonna get some wine. We're gonna get back into Jason
Doc. Oh my goodness.
I just hate how long that third quarter took.
I feel like we didn't get much action there.
My goodness. All those penalties.
I know. Seriously, is it?
What is it for Cowboys fans, staff?
Is it Super Bowl or bust? Or would you guys take an NFC
Championship game? I think it's Super Bowl or bust.
I mean they. The realistic, you know, Cowboys
fans are like, I think some of the most unrealistic fan base.
I mean, they still won't say that DAC is good like any
anybody, you know, that's like a Cowboy fan.
They're all like they can't appreciate anybody good.
I'm like, I don't hear that kind of rhetoric about any other
quarterback in their schedule talk so much.
It doesn't matter what the man does, you know, it's something.
He's playing. He's playing so, so well.
Like that's how you know you have so many damn bias.
Like if you're if you're telling me there are Cowboys fans that
aren't able to enjoy what DAF is doing this year because they're
still so blinded by their priors.
But. They're still saying good for
years, they're. Asking for Trey, Lance.
I'm getting serious, yeah. I I I can't be.
I have people on my Facebook. I have people on my Facebook
page that are like, well, he still has to beating anybody you
know. The with the winning schedule
and then they're like he. And then I had somebody arguing
with me about if he was a good deep ball passer.
I'm like, dude, I'm looking at PFF stats.
He's #2 right now and he's like. No.
He's. Showing unhinged.
I'm like. What's?
Wrong with you right now and you want.
Madness you don't like. Yeah, they are insane.
They are insane. Not me.
I believe any kind of cowboy chat group or things 'cause I'm
like these people do not know ball, they suck.
But, but what's so like? I understand if like fans just
like front run, whatever's happening.
But like what's happening is DAC is playing at an MVP level.
They should be saying DAC is the best quarterback in the league.
That's a more like. No.
They're like, oh, until we get the playoffs and play somebody
worth a damn, we're going to lose.
I mean, they have the most pessimistic group of people.
It's ridiculous. Well, that part I get.
I get that. The feeling like we're going to
just blow it in the playoffs, like that's kind of a team level
stink and that's been around for a while.
Now, yeah, I'm not going to lie. Like, it's like whenever we do
something good, too many times I'm like, yeah, it's coming.
Yeah, that's a lot of like teams.
It's hard not to feel that way. You know, like the team lets you
down enough times. You're just like.
I know what you're going to do to me.
I feel like they like let their guard down when they play, like
easy wins sometimes or certain things not divisional as much
they seem to do OK. But you know, like with the
Cardinals. And.
Stuff like I don't know what they were doing.
DK blow up week? Nah, I don't have enough.
DK You guys got them on your bench.
You got them on your bench? Yeah, we have them on our bench.
And I'm Lily. I prefer DK Metcalf in Best
Ball. We did not take DK Metcalf in in
Best Ball because of that price. A little bit, but I'm probably
under 8. But Rich and I do have them.
God, this is rich team. This is the fucking nuts Every
team. Why aren't why aren't you
allowed to talk about the rich? Team.
That fucking team talks about it all the time.
Oh God damn time. I can't.
Stop talking about it, I posted on Twitter.
It's a good team, man. It's got Zach Moss, DK Metcalf.
I was repulsed when he floated Zach Moss, but I was very
respectful to my guests. I was like, fine, rich.
Whatever you want Bud. Buck spend another $25 on a bit.
I've spent more on bits before Bud and it worked.
That was a great bit. I don't think I have a single
share of Zach Moss. I know there's one.
There's one that's. All you need is 1.
Unfortunately. It's.
Also the team. Although the Puka stuff, yeah,
where where are you guys at on Puka like rest of the season?
That's an interesting feeling. Good, I feel.
Pretty you're. Feeling, I mean.
Yeah, I mean. Oh gosh, how banged up is Cup
'cause I kind of Puka's. Puka's underlying stuff is
amazing and I know a lot of it was driven by the early season
stuff with without Cup, but I mean, he's.
He's been really, I mean, the Cup hasn't been doing as good.
So that's what I'm, you know, wondering.
I'm like, it seems like Puka has a better shot of finishing up
strong. Yeah, I mean that.
Doesn't seem like he's 100% healthy.
Yeah, yeah, Cup's never been that great, but he's way down
this year, which I which I just kind of choke up to health.
But you know, it doesn't. It's not great.
So. No.
At his age, battling through an ankle injury well.
That's what I'm saying. And at his age, I was worried
about that decline a little bit, kind of they close with the
Commanders, which, I mean, that's pretty sick.
And then they get the Saints, which is not great.
And then they close with the Giants, which is really up to
them. But you can obviously put up
points to the deer. Yeah.
So I think that's an OK. It's an OK way to close.
Yeah. This.
How do you feel? It's slightly concerned like you
think about how they were operating, I guess, I guess some
of those big games with Puka. As Tony.
Paulard finally gets like 7 yards.
Some of those the the Puka's big games occurred with Kyron in the
offense, but not with Cooper Cup.
I'm just trying to think like with all three of them there,
Kyron dominating touches. Like do all of their touches get
not Kyron's? But you know Cups and Puka's get
diluted enough or it's hard for them to have really big in some
games, for sure in some games. But I think he's good enough and
they either well coached enough that he's got some some good
games left in him. Kyron Cook.
CD. Kyron I feel good about.
Oh, and another Flags we. Need These flags are killing our
yards. Oh, maybe we'll get a chance,
Kyron. I stole someone's stat for
stealing signals. I can't remember who off
Twitter, but it's, you know, it's in.
Stealing signals has not run against a loaded box all year.
I saw this. This is incredible way back to
the day. Todd Gurley in one of his really
good years, was the only back with 200 plus carries or 250
plus carries that had more than 50% of his carries against light
boxes and he was up around 75%. So he was like 25 percentage
points higher than any other back that was a high volume
back. Like the only other backs around
him were third down backs that you know carry against light
boxes cause teams are in nickel and dime and stuff.
But this has been a staple of the Sean McVeigh off.
No. Oh.
He escaped he. Escaped.
Wow. Is that Tolbert?
That's Tolbert. Yeah, they.
Yeah, yeah. Because they just blasted
Tolbert before that play. I didn't want to mush him.
I was like, oh, did giving him his camera time?
It's going now. No, but we were talking about
the Tolbert stuff. I mean, he was running the same
like last week. He was running the almost the
exact same amount of routes, I think, as Gallup.
But he's being targeted now a lot more.
He was targeting like Gallup only had like 2 targets and he
Tolbert is definitely working his way and it.
The point is trying. To make him long.
I mean he he's got a deep ball. Yeah.
The point I was trying to make on Kyron is essentially that if
he continues to crush, I think defenses will actually try to
stop the run eventually, right? And I don't think he's actually
talented enough. Like I do think it is a little
bit scheme with him to a certain degree.
Well, has the. Least sack boxes of any running
back. Yeah, that's what I was just
talking like. It's like a Sean.
It's a Sean McVeigh like staple of his offense that you don't
face. You face light boxes since
Gurley. Like even when Gurley the Super
talented back would face would face these light boxes at a
really high rate. So the whole thing about Puka
getting back to that point and the three of them being active,
like, I mean, Puka is like, it's harder to win as a receiver
consistently. That.
Is that a run? Oh no, it doesn't matter.
It's a catch, dude. It's.
It's a catch, but it's like, hard to watch Pollard now.
He used to be so fun. Sad.
I I'm. I'm also starting to like Angle
for an overtime script here. Yeah.
We're not out of it on Pollard. He's at 41 yards.
We're not in. Good.
It's just it's just a bummer to watch, that's all.
It is, you know, I'm. I want to believe I'm like maybe
it's the ankle and he'll come back next year, you know, I know
it's on ACL but I'm like you know the two year thing, you
know, it'll get stronger again. But I don't know, third and 12,
let's get this, Let's get ATV Ferguson.
Oh no. Oh, I.
Was into like triple coverage. Man, this is going to blow up my
overtime script. That that will make some time,
Linda, because there's. Any ball to go for a field goal
here? No.
You win with a touchdown, 4th and 12, and there's a lot of
time left. You're probably going to kick
it. I'm going to just 8 is.
I really don't want them to kick it.
I cannot face those points. They are Kevin, Zach.
They're running trouble coverage, man.
It's time for Trey Lane. Oh God.
If there had been a pick, if somebody had, like, tipped that.
I've never heard the end. All right, so now we're going to
get a fucking three and out from the Seahawks.
I I can't believe the Seahawks are up, though.
How are you feeling about your Cowboys?
Right now, Steph. I mean, they won too many games
in a row. It was time.
But. Hopefully we'll come back here.
I mean it. It's still close, They're still
playing pretty good if they maybe don't give the ball to
Pollard, but we need them to. I know.
I'm. I'm wrestling.
With it's kind of like one of those those.
We have multiple pick him entries that are live but are
based on different scripts. Yeah, we got the passing ones.
Well, I. Mean.
How are those two and how many? I'm pretty silly.
Let's hit something. How?
How far are we off? So, so the Tobert one that we
got which is you know that was a big one to.
Hit and I told you to get Tolbert he.
Was. I was.
I was yelling for that one in the chat.
That touchdown would have been big, right?
To CD that he just dropped 'cause that would have been
about another. What was that?
About 20 yards? Yeah.
There, there was a couple. 113. Yards.
Yeah, there's been more than one.
We need a lot from Dak. I mean, we need 80 yards.
Look, Dak used to be a fourth time, you know, fourth quarter
hero like he can, he can do stuff sometimes at the end
there. We need the Gino to JSN on this
drive Like that is by far our our biggest rooting interest
here is Gino, and I'm just a little worried about them
running it three times in a row here.
I mean, can they, you know, just give Gino or give?
Jason, wait, this is showing 2820 third quarter on the bottom
there. Did you refresh this?
It's 3530. Yeah, it's it's same numbers.
Yeah. Nothing's happened.
Oh boy. None of our other stuff's
looking great, huh. Down towards the bottom.
Down here. Well.
I mean, the core is, is. It's like it feels so much
further. Oh, wait, let me get everything.
Oh good. I have those.
Just those two on my core. It's.
Literally 22. Rushes running.
It feels like we'd need eight quarters to hit that for sure.
Rico, we just need 5 CD. Lamb needs one first down, like
that CD. Lamb touchdown.
There in so many ways stings. It gets us the first down.
It gets us the Seahawks throwing.
It gets us another chunk of yardage for Dak and CD.
Like would have done so many things for us.
Yeah, and they're not going to play.
They don't play Rico as much when they're down either, so
that would have put him pulling back on the field.
I. Don't know.
I mean, this game, it has a lot of like, playoff implications
for both teams and stuff. So I mean, it's like they're
playing hard. Yeah.
Because I didn't think the Seahawks are very good, I was
surprised. I didn't hear that, I thought I.
I was so wrong on that I thought they were going to get smashed
tonight. I guess gino's elbow's better.
Man, we need. I don't even know what I mean.
We need. Locking up JSN would feel good.
I'm so pissed about losing the nice overtime out there with the
score. Yeah, I mean, Seattle couldn't
kick a field goal. Yeah, that's how we get it back.
Yeah, the problem is we weren't playing for Seattle to play from
ahead the whole second-half, and they have been.
No, but you would have thought they would have.
The passing could have gotten there.
And that if. Yeah, I don't know why they
didn't go for too early. That's ridiculous.
That's still that's pissing me off because those are the type.
See, that's the thing. Dallas likes to shoot itself in
the foot like they do a bunch of little mistakes that always add
up to. Big things, you know, whether
it's time management or just some decisions that don't make
any sense. We don't talk about Taco Bell
until we start. Shipping some entries.
I'm ready for some Taco Bell. JSN.
Go, baby. Here we go.
We'll take 6 yards. That's a first.
Down. Mark that shit short.
Can I just point out peak Seattle after a long Dallas
drive wasted a bunch of time. They get the ball back, they
they give it to Charbonnet for a three yard run, and then they
have to call time out on 2nd and seven.
How the fuck do you not have the second down play figured out?
I mean, if you're you're running it on 1st down, OK, fine, you
got 3 yards. You're confused now, like you
had the whole last drive to figure out what the fuck.
You're doing and then and then. How about their version of the
tush push there, which is Geno Smith hopping 2 yards behind the
line of scrimmage and then leaping to try to get the first
down? Oh God, he's running the option.
But nobody else is aware. Here comes a run.
And hate when the clock's working against us.
Let's get let's get JSN here what we need so we're we're 9
yards off of JSN. I got a rule change for
underdog. If you know ball so well that
you crush your line, all these extra Charbonnet carries, they
should count towards something else.
You want the points bet you want overflow.
I want. I want overflow like the change
over to somewhere else. I do love like the the concept
of like the ladder bet stuff is very fun.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there it is.
Ladder pickums, they could, they could do it right where it's
just the it's spice, right. So you have like sharps 13 1/2
and then you know 15 1/2 carries, 1.25 spice, 17 and a
half 1.5 spice or whatever. Find him.
There he is, there he is. Go go.
Wow. It's gonna be about 1/2 yard
short and they're gonna play. Because Pete Carroll's a coward.
That's OK. No, it's the first down.
They're marking it. They're marking it in the first
down. All right.
Oh, that that time. It's the first down.
We'll take it, Steph. We will take it.
That was. 2nd down. That was the other one of the
second down. Oh man.
Jayas heads up to 44 receiving yards.
He's he's 1 1/2 off. No.
Gino 16 off for this the the three pick one we did Oh what
do? We have on that.
Yeah, both of them, yeah. Dowdle he.
And he's he's 4 yards off. JSN, come on, get him.
Get him. Oh, he's named him on the field.
Fuck. What?
Did we? Needed those.
Gino, there's your 16. Oh my God.
Oh my. God, lock it, Tyler.
Tyler, buddy. OK, well maybe now they're going
to get rid of Tyler because look, he sucks.
He's washed. Stand back in.
Washed. Dude.
Geez, dude, we. Don't we?
Don't take it easy on guys that are keeping our rookies off the
field. He's been fun his whole career,
but like he. Was thinking about another
walkthrough. Walkthrough for one of his real
estate clients right now. His head's.
Just JSN season aren't in all the targets.
Oh no, Gino, oh. What was that?
That's. Interesting if.
I've ever seen it. I actually think that might work
out. DJ Dallas was in the area.
Allowed to just like, ditch it at the.
Hash. Usually, I mean there.
There were people been. Allowed to do that.
I'll Do we lose points for that? He was not trying to complete
that pass. Come.
On. They're not throwing the flag
on. That he's played fetch with his
dog here, he's like go get it. Tried, tried to skip it off the
ground to charms. Wow.
Oh, Bobo's on the field. Oh no, Bobo.
Third and ten. Oh, come on, Break a tackle.
Meet man. Bobo just doesn't have that dog
in him to stretch out for the first.
You got to go for it, Pete. Come on.
He don't be. A dude kick the kick the field
goal and set up the. They can't.
They're not on field goal. We got to get the first down,
then we'll go kick it and then and we got to get the rest of
Gino stuff and then we'll get. The tablet stuff.
And Myers has an absolute missile of a leg.
Gretch let him cook From here. We're talking about 64 yards
from here. It.
Could happen. A lot.
It's a lot of yards. Yeah.
But the roof is on. I mean, it's in the doll, you
know? Oh, wow.
We need a. We're still.
There strike to CD land. Yeah, they're going to play
fast. We actually kind of want them to
play fast. OK yeah, play fast back and get
the field goal. Yeah, we want to touchdown, so.
If the if if Dallas. Scores.
Do they go for two? They have to, right?
They have. To you would think.
There's no question. Yeah, there's no advantage or.
Not need to get fired if they didn't go for two, right?
Yeah. Yeah, they'll go for two.
God, that that kind of bummed me out.
That idea what's happened? No, this is like a now.
Now we have Dallas playing aggressive and then if they give
it to you in the conversion that we need and then Seattle playing
aggressive to go get their field goal.
So like it, it's everything should speed up.
Now we actually don't want Seattle have the ball with the
lead. We want everyone to be down when
they have the ball. Yeah, so.
So they have to score and can't. Yeah, just salt the clock away.
Right. Man, I mean, over time the guys,
I'm telling you, like we get the passing scripts and regulation.
And then Tony Pollard comes in and ices the game in overtime
with a 40 yard. TD Run.
And I fucking order six Crunch Wrap Supreme.
Oh my God, I will get so much Taco Bell.
For your old house, like everyone, everyone will have
Taco Bell. Speaking of that, Gretch, we
haven't gotten a chance to on stream congratulate you for your
big gretch.com. When have you paid out the
dividends to the Chad after your big win?
Well, I would have, but only two of.
The losers. Only the two of the losers have
paid me. I'm still waiting on payment
from I need to pay this guy, this guy down here.
Maybe you can find some of the couch cushions.
I'm. Telling you to draft in Florida.
I mean, I think I should just get all of it.
Nothing. Can you fucking imagine A2
millionaire not paying his $50 debts?
Like, good Lord, you know, I was.
Just the one that prompted everyone to drop the Venmo.
I mean, come on guys, Listen, I just don't.
I Is it a legitimate site? I I don't know.
Show me your gaming license and then I'll pay you all my money.
Stopped right up in bonds. I don't know what to do.
I. Was talking to Davis on the Take
cast and realized I'd be much happier with 5 million and
thought I didn't have $50.00 to spare anymore.
God, I got to send everyone in the chat.
Doritos Locos Tacos. According to Tompkins Jesus, who
orders Doritos Locos Tacos. My.
God. All right, let's cook, Jack.
All right, CD. There we.
Go, there we go. 1st we have that first down too please.
Well, he made it. We'll take it.
We'll take the first. Well, we're over the first now,
right First and 10, we're over the. 1st so we still.
I'm oh, sharp. Just hurt.
The overtime locks everything, Unlocks everything.
Overtime on, literally could ring.
We're there. I'm just, I already.
We're already at 3838. We're already at 3838.
I can feel it in my bowels. Go, go, go, baby.
Oh. My gosh.
Let's get 17 yards. How would the ghost?
Yards. He'd run for the whole game,
probably. Wow.
We needed a 17 yard run like
that. You're now like 5 yards away.
We're 5 1/2 yards away, I think. We're literally 5 yards.
That was 17. We're 5 yards away.
Let's. Go and then they're showing 57.
OK, we need. Yeah, Yeah, Yahoo was at 57.
Oh, they just adjusted it. You're right.
Still 16 yards was big. Let's go.
That's like 17 runs. Usually for him, what instead of
instead of taking 17 carries, it's like 1.
Now we only need three more carries in.
There, look at. How close we are on the five leg
with the Pollard Rico. It's like 1 carry for despite
being in the negative script that was supposed to be the
positive script for Dallas. Come on man, we got this.
Come on, let's go. Run the ball.
Perfect.
Third and three. You're going to go for it on
4th. You've got to run on 3rd and
three. This is actually a like a real
football take. You run this to set up, but also
a run on 4th. Potentially biased real football
takes. Yeah, there's multiple ways to
do this. But we're going to be.
Good. You totally could pass.
If he's fine to pass, there's nothing against passing, but
he's. Also, run the ball here.
You have to. He's under center.
No, he's shotgun. Damn it.
They're going to throw twice. Run it inside.
Run. All right, Lamb, more first
downs. Got out of bounds.
Extra for the extra first down we just got.
That's right. I want to I want to convert that
into Tony Paul rushing yards. How do I where do I Click to do
that? Who else do we need receiving
yards we can't even. Rest if he gets it, he can still
get negative. Oh God.
That's crossed my mind. That is crossed my mind.
I've. Crossed my I I was not there.
I I was not thinking of. Ferguson TD.
Oh no, I got faked by it. Oh no, we should take it.
DAC Rushing. No, dude.
I saw a DAC rushing line. So we we need all to be Pollard
or none to be. We can't have any.
Yeah guys. I think we're playing.
I'm we need the overtime out. What, dude?
OK, well, 6 yard rushing touchdown would do it.
Yes, 6 yard rushing touchdown would do it.
We just hit second and one and second and one.
They could potentially go for the first.
Why didn't he give that to Pollard?
I mean, I know it was a nine yard game, but like also give
that to. Pollard, That's why.
What? It's a replay.
The guy crashed. That's why I did it.
Oh, second and two. They put it at the seven.
All right, we'll take 7 yards. We'll take 6 yards to the one
and then a Ferguson touchdown. That's what we want.
It's a perfect run out. 6 Yard carry to the We need that extra
yard, dude. We need that yard.
I'm not confident, but I also want the Ferguson spicy pepper
to get in here. Oh yeah, that's true.
What's the spicy pepper? Oh, it still needs Pollard on
the spicy pepper. Yeah, yeah, everybody says
Dowdle and Dowdle. OK, Yeah, yeah, All right.
Because we did the, so we just want Pollard.
We just want Pollard. We want to give someone three
$300.00 tonight. Yeah, Pollard.
Second and seven. They just lost yards.
Run the ball. You got to run the ball.
You want to run some clock now? Oh, don't throw.
No, incomplete. Fergie, Fergie, we got the
spice. Dude.
OK, we need the overtime guys. I'm telling you, overtime for
fucking conversion is. Everything the spice.
Oh boy. Show me this conversion.
You got to get this conversion. Wait, everyone watches the Spice
converts in real time? The Spice hit got to want the
Fergie they wanted. The Fergie TD was coming.
We knew it was coming. They were trying to get him the
ball. Come on, man, we got to give
this. To you, I am going to be
devastated if they don't get this.
Come on. Easy.
Yes, yes. Oh, boy, we are.
It's already 3838. Pete.
Yo, kiddo. Taco Bell.
I haven't ordered Taco Bell in 20 years, so y'all will have to
tell me what to get. Oh, we got orders.
Don't worry. Yeah, I don't eat anywhere near
the amount. Y'all do.
I'll be like a soft Taco with a ticket or something, no?
All right. Jason Meyer Sizzen.
It's it is it is very Jason Meyer Sizzen.
And and you know who's going to get him there?
Gino and JSN. Yeah, look, if I if we get this
much money, I'll be excited. I'll order whatever the hell
y'all want me to. Pete, will you open up the Will
you open up the Gino and JSN 1 real quick?
What does that need? Anything else?
Let's see. Oh, Lynn.
Oh yeah, no, that's a dark one. Where's the Gino?
This one this also has the dowel dowel and Bobby Wagner only got
one assist the whole second I was so sure.
Of that. Well, like Gino and JSN are
going to get there on this drive.
Yeah, together. I'm telling you OT unlocks
everything. Yeah.
The other thing that would be if I'm trying to think if if Dallas
gets the ball back tied with what let's say like a minute on
the clock. Do they just rip it or does Mike
McCarthy, kind of turtle shell, do a few run plays head to
overtime like they're on their own?
2040 seconds left I I could see him.
I feel like he might take the overtime because he's worried
about that throwing an interception and doesn't want to
like, ruin his streak of like home game wins.
I don't know. I'm hoping.
Because that's. You never know.
Doubt on the Dowdle, right? He brings Dowdle out.
With 40 seconds left for a couple carries to head into
overtime. Because, yeah, because, I mean,
he does weird things sometimes. He'll go for it on 4th when like
he shouldn't, and then he won't go for it when he should.
You know those are those calls. You can't always predict what
he'll do and it's not always what he should do.
Usually it's what he should not do.
So I think deep down though, he's got some cowardness.
I don't. I think he'll try to play for
overtime. Pete's plan for our team?
We know this. Pete's plan for?
We're we're all blind for overtime.
It's. Not in doubt.
Pete, our incentives and Pete Carroll's incentives are very.
Much aligned. Oh, you guys are talking about
if the fuel bowl happens too fast.
That's right. I was talking about you.
I just wonder what, what was in your plan?
Yeah, I was. 25 seconds left. Which one?
Bella. Oh, Bella.
Bella's barking at the TV. She's watching the game.
Can we get a Bella sighting for some vibes?
Yeah, if you'll let me catch her.
Bella. You gonna make me?
I'll be right back. Let me get her.
I Should I order Taco Bell now? Just.
Like, I don't know if that's made a station or a mush.
Yeah, it might be a mush. Sounds delicious.
Let's get a JSN catch. Let's just get this started.
Nice and clean. He's one-on-one.
Oh no. Plenty of time.
That's it. We're cooking, Jason.
Oh, yes, yes. We did it.
Holy cow, man. OK.
So what is that? The second I picked her up is
when you all said Jason. Jason, that's right, let's.
Go literally second I picked her up.
She came and sat off. The back.
Man, so, so, this one. That had the Jason Geno just
hit. It's Doudon Wagner.
Oh, DJ Dallas isn't. So Sharps is actually hurt.
Yeah. Sharps, I think, went to the
locker room. Yeah, he went out.
He was ten, yeah. And then locker room, I guess.
I think we started Sharps a few places, possibly Bella.
Well, he's, he's been good. How?
Are you doing Bella? He's been good.
It's like, I don't know what's going on.
The dog look. Did I see on?
I don't know if it was Discord or Twitter.
Was Bella beefing with someone? Was it on Thanksgiving?
Was it another dog? That's my parents dog who is
terrified of Bella. It listens to her.
The hundred 100 something pound shepherd is like, I mean, Bella
will growl and take her bones and she will just like give them
to Bella. And she just, like laid in the
other room in the hallway, like when it comes sit with us all,
like when we were watching the game, because Bella was like on
the couch in my mom's, in my grandma's lap and gave Sonny the
evil look. And that was that.
Is charged out for the return hurt?
Yep. Hurt the knee, he's knee, yeah.
The 3rd and four guys isn't. It big.
I don't want to do a fourth and four from midfield.
Oh, that's PII don't want it. I don't want to do 4th and 4th
from midfield. I don't want to either.
Pete, this is what my Huskies do every game.
It's that's a hit early man. He went through him before, like
give us a better angle. That was bullshit guarantee.
That was before the ball got there.
Couldn't see it from that replay.
Come on, Gino, buddy. Come on, Gino.
We ain't writing you off. You ain't writing back.
Let's go. Oh, the Blitz is on.
What is he just? Chucking it up.
Oh man. All right.
Hey, we got timeouts, we.
Got it. We got.
It we got it. We're OK, right?
We. We're OK.
We're. OK, we just need Tony.
We're OK if Pete didn't waste all these time outs, but like,
let's get some rushes. Let's get a We just need.
Yeah, dude. I mean, we need like 11 combined
rushing yards, you know, from Doudal and Tony, right?
Yeah, I I don't know what that was.
Yep, that's that's the biggest thing we need, right, Those two,
yes. Rushing by far?
OK, show the third down play. This is the This is the right
script for that. What are you mad about Gino?
How was that on JSN? Was this route to go 70 yards up
field? Was he supposed to warp?
All right, Tony. All right.
Come on. Tony.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
OK. That one was was that there's
four or five? Yeah, that was about 3 or 4.
Well, you're good luck. You're not going anywhere.
Sorry. Since I got you, everything
started hitting. I think it was a four there
four, but we're 1 1/2 away if it's 461.
OK. Oh my gosh.
Yeah, it says.
Chardonnay is doubtful to return.
Guys we. Need 2 yards.
I can't believe this. We need another beer.
Yeah, I can't reach my beer with her.
Oh, no, no, no. All right, all right.
They still have timeouts. 2 minute warning.
They got to give it to Paul Art again.
We need 2 yards. Man, I thought maybe we could
have threaded the needle of getting us there a little.
Punch. Yeah, CD Just throwing moves in
the open field. Good Lord.
CD's just too good. two-minute warning.
We still have two timeouts, so the whole thing is like, Dallas
needs to get another first down because if they have to kick
this field goal after the timeouts, they could, they could
send the ball back to Seattle with about a minute left up six.
You don't want to do that because you could lose by one,
right? So they need to get one more
first down. Now, will they come out
throwing? Probably not.
They'll probably run on 1st down.
I mean, you think you're running on 1st down to Pollard.
That's the play. Like we got to get 2 yards on
1st down. We got to get this Corvette here
because on 3rd down I think they throw.
See, I was going to use their timeouts.
I don't think they're going to waste 40 seconds.
I mean if they don't get the yardage, if they're if they get
the yards we need, then they're third and short, then they might
run again, but we won't care at that point.
But if they don't get it, if you get stuffed and then they get
stuffed again and then it's third and long, I think they
throw to get the 1st. Down to kneel it out.
So we got to get Paula on 1st down, getting these two yards.
That's, that's. Yeah, you're right.
We need to get it. Yes.
Because then they, yeah, the first down play is going to be
like it's huge kind of the whole thing.
Yeah. Yeah.
They might even throw on 2nd down if he loses like a yard,
you know? Oh God.
Because it's like Bella's excited by the Taco Bell
commercial she's watching. She feels, Oh my God, Taco Bell
commercial. Mm hmm.
Good vibes are in the house all. Right.
Joe King is here for OTI don't know how we're getting that.
I guess a missed field goal. Aubrey has not missed a field
goal yet in his career. But I guess look, look, we're
going to get a three and out and a missed field goal and then
Seattle kicks the the, I mean, we're there.
I mean, we can get there. We're there, there.
It's already 3838. It's already 3838.
Oh my goodness, I. Want to see how many points Gino
has? I can't believe there's 73
points scored in this game or whatever the hell it is so far.
Let us know what. He.
What? He.
Has holy. 38 and. Do you know what?
He's 35. Holy shit.
No, I'm real glad you, if you would.
Have started Matthew Stapper. I agree.
Such a gut pun. I will hate myself.
I'm so. Fat.
Oh my God, that is ridiculous. DK Metcalf has six for 1:34 and
3:00 touchdowns, guys, and we benched him.
Oh my God, we've been. Playing both people know who we
benched it for was. We started CD Lamb, A.J.
Brown, Brandon Iuka Debo, Samuel Pollard, Pollard.
There it is. Push down with a hit it.
Let's go. We hit the ball.
Baby. Are you popping or parking Bring
to do it. Bell the people now you know
what let down will get a crack. Yeah.
Also, Pete, we got to spin a wheel tonight because somebody
just won three. $100 I'm going to drop the as usual.
Guys, so can I win? In the chat.
If you've already filled this out, please don't fill it out.
I'm literally just going to go remove your name and it's going
to create. I'm going to remove it no matter
what. So just save me the time.
Here's the form. If you haven't filled this out,
you got to put your underdog username in your YouTube
username and I'll do the drawing here at the end of the show.
Rung the bell. Let's go.
I'm poor. Can you please write it?
Yeah, we got you. David.
Devin Davis. Devin Davis.
All right, now stuff them. Oh, but not stuff them.
We need the missed field goal. We're ready for the missed field
goal. Let's go.
Actually, you don't. If you make some, who cares?
Like they're going to throw. Coming back.
What do we need coming back? We don't even need overtime,
necessarily. What do we need?
We don't. Have any on here so let me find
it there. We have downloads for this one.
Oh my God. Yeah, I'm like, we can hit
everything if we get overtime. Oh, this one.
And the spice. The spice also only needs Rico.
Yeah, we just need Rico, dude. Rico punch it in Rico 5 yard.
Oh. My God, Rico.
In Rico. Pollard's in there.
Shit. Pollard sucks.
Get down all in there. We just.
The. Guy sucked all.
Year. Come on, we need a stuff here
and a field goal. I mean, we can't run the clock
out with the first, yeah? There we go.
We'll take. That that's just good defense.
That's just good defense. That's clean.
As clean gets. Oh, they got to kick it, right?
Or the the three, the three-point to six point thing
is. This is a.
This is a maybe go situation. Teams don't like to just go from
1 possession games to 1 possession games and that could
be 3830. Eight.
You go for it. What?
Side draw Is Doudal in? He's going not all.
Right you. Gotta stop him.
Stop him. Stop.
Him. Are they just?
Trying to draw them off, They're just trying to draw.
Them off might. Be.
Yeah, they might be good. Yeah.
But so going from three to six is almost in some scenarios is
not great because then if you're down six, they go for it on 4th
down and you're asking them to to play for a touchdown, you in
regulation, right, as opposed to tying in regulation.
Yeah, it's not a it's not like an obvious thing, but like it
might be a thing that would tip you on 4th and three towards
going in a high scoring affair where you feel like you can
convert. Man, this Rico one, this guy has
not missed. He's 2525 this season, can we
jinx them? Like I've never seen a kicker go
26 in a row. Can we bring Cavis?
On. Long.
Somebody. Somebody Bella's gonna ice him,
fella. Make this intended, Bella.
She's gonna. Do.
Anything. He missed this in a single.
Thing she's watching. She's watching.
Shank it, Shank it best. Now that one in.
All right, we can still, we can still play for missed or missed
a extra. Point do we just do we just want
to Seattle? Or can they down it?
Or could we get a Rico Terry on a quick turnover?
I don't know about the Rico stuff, but what about like our
other halftime stuff? Is our halftime stuff live at
all? No, it should.
Well, none of it cuz we needed Wagner.
Rico, dude. Rico.
Rico gets us like. Close to five figures tonight,
Rico. Gets us close to.
Five figures tonight. If we could just have one Rico
catch. OK, let me set this up for you.
Rico goes for four yards on this halftime one for $2000.
Rico goes for four yards here for $17150.
Rico goes for five yards here for $1000.
Every Rico goes here for four yards for $600.00.
Everything comes back to Rico Dowdall, but he's not.
Gonna get. Let's scratch it.
For Rico. Wait.
Scroll back up. What's at the top?
Do we have anything that isn't on Rico here?
CD Lamb didn't get there and Dak didn't get there?
No. No no that's it's it's all Rico.
It's all Rico. But how do how does that happen
What do we we need to touchdown. I missed extra point.
I missed extra. Point as well, right?
Yeah, because they don't have timeouts.
Dallas kneels and any turnover. If they had timeouts, maybe Rico
gets a carry. But well, we hit the core.
I'm going to, I'm going to hit the belt because, I mean, we we
hit the. Core.
You're hitting the belt for the core.
Where are we at the court? Look at our standards here,
buddy. The people love it, You dog.
Why are you so exposed to Rico? I don't know, Luke.
I wish we weren't right now. OK I.
Don't wish we doesn't recall her.
We're gonna, we're gonna, Luke. Great question.
We should have asked ourselves before the game.
My phone was at 4% and I also realized I was watching the game
on my phone. So I'm no longer ordering PAL
right now. I got to watch this.
What would you guys rather have? Just like a pick right now?
And they kneel it and they move on or you get strung along, You
get the joy of Seattle scoring. They block the extra point.
We go to overtime and Rico doesn't get it.
I'd rather have that. That's so brutal, I.
Want the ladder? I want the ladder I.
Want to live? We do this to live.
Are you? Yeah.
No, no, it's not like, I guess I like the highs and the lows.
I like the emotional investment. That's the whole reason we do
this, like I need to lose. The dude, Princeton fans.
OK, listen. Used to just smash.
For somebody who won $2,000,000 doing this, like yeah, you just
want it to be chill from here on out in the rest of your life.
For the rest of us, it's not about the money.
We're just trying to fucking feel something.
Gretch wants justification. To be up top with no warning,
that's. All he wants, yeah.
Baby, string me the fuck up. I like what?
Just string me the fuck up. Who do you think you are?
I am PDW over here. Chad's killing tonight.
Great show tonight from chat. Loving it.
Oh, JSN do you do? You know what I want to give?
Shout out the chat tonight I just went to remove duplicates
in our Google sheet giveaway. No duplicates to be found.
Thank you guys for being honest, upstanding citizens.
Let's do this giveaway. Keep the vibes high.
Yeah, it's 4th and two. Don't do it right.
Now I won't, I mean. Keep the vibes high, man.
Yeah. 4th down. I'll keep the vibes high.
Yeah. Say hi, Ben.
Wow, what if? Direct snap to Rico.
You can't risk that getting hurt on a kneel down, he.
On the wheel, God damn it, Do you know is so bad on 4th man?
Look at this. I just want.
The people. To know how?
Selfless we were tonight we had all of these.
Pickums to win literally thousands of dollars and the one
we decided to hit was the core for the people.
That's for you. And and the reason you know I
personally kind of sabotaged Rico via my Rico Dottel voodoo
doll is 'cause I didn't want Pat to inch closer to being
$5,000,000 richer and finally reaching his happiness index.
Dude is Rico on the field. Rico's on the field.
They can't call timeouts. Dude, I'm telling you this.
Is how? This is how you put your.
Nuts on the table. As a Super Bowl contender, you
fake deal. Pitch to Rico.
Fake deal pitch. All right, chat.
Let me know. You can see right now it's in
alphabetical order by username. Let me know how many shuffles.
This was the sickest fucking game on Thursday night.
Come back, Dallas. Win.
What a game. I didn't take any notes for
stealing signals, so. You guys who read that?
Good luck all. Right, I see 8 shuffles, 8
shuffles, 12345678. All right, I will be spinning
the wheel. Winner will be getting $300.00
in underdog bonus credits. So it'll be dropped into your
account tomorrow. How do I know it'll be dropped
in tomorrow? Because the people at Underdog
are on top of their shit. I really hope they are after I
made that proclamation. Here we go.
Who's going to win? Big money.
Big money, Big money. BG.
Lakers 10 Congratulations. BG, Lakers 10.
You are the winner of $300.00. Bonus cash.
Everyone. Everyone who didn't win, be
happy. For one of your peers, it's a
bad. Look.
And you're just. Jealous.
Pete, are you ordering the bell? Are you ringing the bell time?
No, I'm not ordering the bell. I only ordered the bell.
When we sweep, it must be A5 pick.
I can't. The bell.
Not bringing the bell either. Yeah, I need for the Coraline
leg. He's Pete's about to shut this
this down and we're not going to ring the bell.
I just want everyone to know that I'm going to be ringing the
bell, so we got to look at the camera when you say.
You just look down. It's got it's got to be special.
I'm ordering it. I'm ordering.
I'm my possibility. We didn't.
Earn it tonight. Yes, we did.
Let the man eat the bell waist my audio, dad.
Good. Steph, congratulations to your
Cowboys. That's what this is really
about. It's not about fantasy.
It's not about money. It's about the teams we grew up
watching getting the win. The Cowboys won.
We got. That was 40 Gino points for our
team. Oh yeah, that could put us some
money. Let's fucking go.
That's right. Anything else you guys would
like to say? Gretchen, read off your Taco
Bell order for the people. My audio died.
I didn't get a chance to order it yet.
I'm going to do it. I need a crunch that's that's
coming. No crunch.
Wrap supreme. That's for, you know, wimps.
Chalupa Supreme Sub Nacho cheese Nacho cheese.
Chalupa important. Let's see.
What else am I going to do? I'm working on that right now.
No sour cream. Got to sub the Nacho cheese for
the sour cream. We got that.
That's an $8 chalupa. Couldn't ward, I thought.
You. Were going to stay because the
sour cream was too fattening or something.
Don't. Like sour cream.
I think, I mean, I might get like a like a quesadilla or
something. I don't know, the the Gordita
crunch and the chalupa are the the mainstays.
I got to think about the rest of it.
What should I get? Sell me on something.
I mean, I get the same thing every time.
You get the Crunch Trap Supreme, You get the Mexican pizza, you
throw in the cinnamon twist, You get a couple double Decker tacos
if you do want to do a little Nacho love.
I don't begrudge you on that. If you want to do the gordita,
you want and truthfully. The one of the things that is
kind of synonymous for me and Taco Bell is a Mountain Dew.
I do like to toss in a Mountain Dew there.
I like to do this the freezes the Baja OK.
Freeze. Yeah.
I mean, I don't feel like we earned A Baja bath.
Freeze tonight. But.
Whatever you want. Man.
I used to like the Mexican pizzas.
I do remember that when I was in college.
Pete, I'm gonna get a Crunch wrap supreme.
I've been talking all sorts of shit about him.
I'm gonna. I'm gonna try.
Talking shit about Crunch Trap. Where?
Where have you been talking shit?
Yeah, like Bob. I guess I missed me with that
bullshit bud. Pat, do you have like 8 hours of
recording the narration for the walkthrough?
I do. I'm gonna about to start that
and check out. Legendary upside.
On Monday, I'm going to be doing a podcast on Playoff Best Ball,
so I'm going to be kicking off content on that, going to be
joined by sacrilegious Daniel Razz, Kyle Dvorak or me talking
some playoff basketball stuff. I hate to hate to, you know,
scoop you on your own thing, but I I'm going to be having
sacrilegious on best ball after dark, BFS after dark on on
Saturday night as well. So if you want a lot of
sacrilegious. TuneIn over the weekend, which
by the way, also check out Stat chasing Draco.
Sacrilegious every Tuesday. It's the good stuff.
Gets you prepared for. All next week, Pete filling in.
Yeah. Are you?
I think I might as well. We might also, yeah.
Draco is going across the pond. I don't know.
It's something about like a pot of lucky gold over there.
Shut it down. Shut the stream down, Jesus,
man. Goodnight.