Hello, everyone, and welcome to a special late July edition of
ADP Chasing. Sorry we're running late today.
We've got special guest Kyle Dvorchak from Rotor World
joining us, and we're going to break down a bunch of training.
Kiev news, Kendra Miller, is it over?
DJ Shark rising for some reason. And we'll find out which wide
receiver we're going to compare to T Higgins to today.
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Close your eyes, you know all your entries are going to lose
anyway. Yeah, that's fair.
This is a Deuce vant show. It's.
Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought
leader. I'm obviously lying to some
degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys.
It's the most disgusting thing you can make, but man, how are
we doing, fellas? I love coming on the show
because I only listen to it in podcast form so I don't get to
see the any of the video stuff. And truly, this is a visual art
form as I'm learning when I get to watch the intro.
Oh man, the intro's really good. It's.
A good. It's a good reminder.
It's too good. It's a good reminder to study
your listeners for us. Exactly.
Yeah. And I think we're the only
podcast that consistently talks about the intro to the podcast.
So I'm sure the audio listeners are really loving that one.
But yeah, we're not going to stop.
Constantly talking about how good our the opening bit is
always just man. It's a good intro to our
awesome. Man.
Is the YouTube, are YouTube views more valuable though?
Because like maybe this is just a good conversion metric to get
the audio listeners to come to the video listener.
I'd hope David you're nodding her head.
So I assume they're more like. You know, much like probably 10X
is valuable as an audio listener.
There you go, have a good one. Wow, a good little teaser.
Shade Crane, do you have the analytics on how many what what
the breakdown is of audio to to video listeners on the show I
never looked into. That I I don't.
I need to log into the the YouTube and.
I can. I'm really serving our audience
we have. More well, I can tell you, I can
tell you from I can tell you from my stuff that it's about
about 10% of the people listen to the stuff audio only from my
stuff compared to a YouTube stream.
So it's enough. It's enough that you know
they're still there. They're still there.
You got to service the. Audio, I think we're I think
we'd be much higher than that would be my gut on this because
you know, ship chasing did start as a true podcast.
Yeah, I I'm the same way. I listen to Ship Chasing as a
podcast. I forgot about ship chasing.
Yeah. No, I think I, I mean I was an
early ship chasing adopter, but I wasn't, I don't think I was
early enough that I started one was only podcast form.
I think I started as a video listener in ship chasing.
That makes sense. Yeah, 'cause I mean, we've been,
we've been kind of video primary since for for several years, 3-4
years, maybe more. Yeah.
Well anyways to service audio listeners, little preview of
today's show obviously we have with Kyle joining.
He does great work at Rotoworld and helps Pat out over at Leg Up
with the rankings and that sort of thing.
So excited to get his perspective today.
We're going to be just doing a classic risers and fallers ADP
chasing show. Nothing special today.
So we'll start here diving in to the risers.
And before we even talk about the players, you know, getting
back to always talking about our intro, it's funny when you look
at the intro and you see like the percent change in AD PS,
there's like, you know, from the, the preseason stuff, it's
always like -50% change in ADP, like plus 60%.
Like there's that on the graphics.
We're getting to still like a pretty stable point in the ADP
movement where like none of these are, are massive
movements. So wanted to start off with
that. These are all like relatively
minor movements still in ADP. But the first news here, Patrick
Mahomes up a couple spots. I don't have an exact reason for
the news behind this. Davis to get inside the head of
a Chiefs rafter. What's, what's the what's the
rationale here for Mahomes? I, I actually think, I think
it's a couple different things. I mean, the 1st is is chiefs
training camp is starting and and the highlights are all him
throwing the ball like Mahomes rolling left off his wrong foot,
launching at 70 yards over an outstretched defender to, you
know, your favorite wide receiver.
There's been a good Hollywood 1. There's been a good worthy one.
There's been a good Rice one. There's been a good Kelsey one
for all of them. I also think it's you get in
that range and you're like, there's been a macro trend has
been a little bit of push back to the insane rise of the wide
receivers. We'll see that as we go through.
They're good wide receivers who are falling.
So instead of taking Christian Kirk, instead of taking Amari
Cooper, you're like, why don't I just take the quarterback who's
going to throw for 5000 yards? That that seems fun.
But I, I think it's correlated to the Rashi Rice rise as well.
I think, I think those are kind of the the inputs there.
Yeah, that makes sense. And I've been kind of on board
generally with that strategy of like once you get, you know,
once Tank Dell is off the board, maybe once Stefan Diggs is off
the board and you're in that Kirk Amari range of wide
receivers, I've been pretty pro like grabbing the elite
quarterback, grabbing the Jalen Hurts, the Patrick Mahomes,
those guys. I think the opportunity cost
there is not as bad. But yeah, curious, Kyle, your
take. What has been your approach to
Mahomes and maybe the cluster of elite quarterbacks that kind of
go around that, you know, fifth round, fourth round range there
on underdog? Yeah, I was going to say, oh, I
still draft a lot of the wide receivers in that range, which
is true. But I was like, I also do draft
the running backs or I do draft the quarterbacks.
And then it was because I couldn't name you what running
backs go there. I have diverted like 100% of
what would be like a normally distributed.
I just take players at ADP, my running back potentially
drafting, moving it to both wide receiver and two quarterbacks
specifically like the Lamar type of stack where you can get that.
The same with the Josh Allen stack that the tight end plus
quarterback stacks that go right around that range.
So to me, I I still think the wide receivers are fine picks.
I do think you start to like lose some real fun upside once
like tank Dell basically is off the board.
I think that's the the right. That's exactly.
Yeah, that's the kind of the the cut off, Yeah, but.
Kirk is actually like that's maybe not troops like, you know,
Pickens is young, really talented and going to have like
a 45% air yard share. You have to squint to see it
because like Jesus Christ, I don't want to draft Arthur Smith
players, but like he seems young and good at football and those
guys tend to have a lot of upside.
But I I do agree that in general, like the grouping of
those guys is Amari Cooper. Lock him in for never more than
1200, but like never less than 1000.
It's probably true again this year.
Like I'm out on the idea that Deshaun Watson can never be what
he was again, but he can probably still be good enough to
make Amari Cooper, who's extremely talented, a 1200 yard
receiver. You know, Christian Kirk, he's
good. He's pretty good at football,
but he's probably not ever going to.
I mean 100% is never going to be great.
So even though the upside is gone, the way receivers are
drafted, the floor is also gone in like 2 more rounds where
you're like, oh. Yeah, but that two more rounds
thing is kind of the important part of it where I think Mahomes
is very defensible in the fourth with Kelsey in the third because
it and I think you want to start receiver, receiver, but then you
go Kelsey Mahomes and you have the 5th and 6th to now you're
not going to get the 7th right? You're you're the 7th is maybe
you can get Jameson. Keon used to fall there.
I don't think that's going to keep happening.
He's had some positive buzz. So you're like you're kind of to
Sutton or whatever. And that's to me a clear tier
break. So you have to go.
It kind of only works as receiver, receiver, Kelsey
Mahomes, receiver, receiver. Hopefully one of those next two
receivers is a Chief, but I think that.
Works. Let me tell you that works.
Let me tell you, if you draft that team 900 times, you're
going to find a winner in there somewhere.
At least that's my, you know, that's my operational.
Thesis There's a lot of things we won't know for sure this
season, but that's one of them we will know that will have been
fully explored that part of the game.
Tree, if that part of the game tree is what you need.
I am extremely well positioned in the slow puppy.
Like really couldn't be, really couldn't be better positioned
slow puppy if that's what you need to.
Win, yeah, but I mean, I, I think because Mahomes has been
it's been a struggle for me. I was like, look, and I was
like, I think I'd like 3% Mahomes or something in all my
drafts. Now I'm higher in basketball
mania because I've made a I've made getting some of him a
priority. But even then I was below market
and I was like, I don't like this.
It's a good price on Mahomes even in the 4th.
It's totally fine. I'm expecting them to bounce
back to really lean into the past a lot more than it did last
year. So I am.
I did last night. I did one where I went Kelsey.
Now I got sniped on both Worthy and Rice coming back which is
annoying and I think actually Rice who'd.
You take who'd you take in in Round 18?
The people need to know who was your Round 18 shitter on the
Kansas City. Chief and Eric Prince.
Over instead of Tony. Oh, yeah.
Over, over Tony. Yeah.
I thought I thought we were to get the 1st.
Odd. Oh the hell no, it wouldn't have
taken there. Let's see, I might have even
done 17th rounds. Generic Prince.
Let's see. Let me see if I can.
Have you guys heard of this Nick Remigio guy?
What's they like? No, So I I have been sadly
trying to learn Nico Remigio. I I think this is a real Justin
Watson ass player. Like not not gonna be a guy who
is Yeah, OK, he could he could make the roster.
I do. I do want.
To it was eighteenth round, but I did, I did grab Prince on
that. I'm just worried that, like with
the Tony thing, what I'm worried about is like his tryout at
running back is like the last thing you see before you get
cut. And I'm stealing stealing that
joke a little bit from. What percent is that?
But. That was 3%.
Cadarius, Tony. It's way too high.
That's so. Much so that tells you that
tells you that that 3% of the time I've gotten there with the
Mahomes team at the end, without with without having Rashi,
Worthy, Brown, Pacheco or Kelsey and then like.
But I had Kelsey, so I was good. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, OK.
Then I was fine, but I added Prince as a as an additional bet
and I think Prince is kind of interesting right now, so.
Yeah, Prince I think is a is a really good round eighteen guy
right now. Like, I mean, I think the death
of Ceh little overstated, you know, the the idea of like he's
like he's going to make the team.
He's just going to be kind of your your very boring.
Yeah, that's The thing is there's no one could possibly
get excited about Claudette Richelayer at this stage,
including the Chiefs themselves. You think the death of possibly
the worst running back in the league has been overstated?
Let's let's table we'll. Get to CEH.
We'll get to CEH in the fall or stuff.
We'll we'll have that full today.
Let's table that for a second. I'm curious, going back to
Mahomes, like what do we think the odds are that Mahomes can
get back to the 5000 yard 45 plus TD seasons that we saw a
couple times early in his career because he was like very far
away from that last year? Curious, Kyle, like, do you
think this wide receiver upgrade that we got in the offseason is
good enough that Mahomes should be, like, considered, I don't
know, a favorite or a decent odds bet to make it back to that
type of ceiling? Yeah.
I mean, I guess like if you're, if the question is the over
under is set at 5000 yards and like what odds am I taking the
under? Like I'd probably confidently
take the under, but that's because that's a crazy high
number. What are his odds relative to?
I mean, I mean he has to have the highest odds of like anyone
in the league to hit 5000, right?
Like given that guys like. I got to correct Sam here real
quick. Just he he said earlier in his
career, like Mahone said, 2022 did not throw up for 5300 yards
and 41 touchdowns and went MVP. Literally 2.
Seasons ago, I was thinking of his 2018 because I think that
was the touchdown peak. But yeah, you're right.
He got he got to 5150 his first year as a starter.
So yeah, that those are like the retro like Drew Brees, Tom
Brady, Peyton Manning type numbers and like, I don't know,
you're right. It hasn't been that long since
Mahomes basically did that in 2022.
But it almost feels like because no one really got close to that
last year, in my head, I'm like, oh, it's, it's so hard to do
that, but I don't know. What this is another thing I
wanted, I've been wanting to talk about on the show.
Gretsch talked about this on his when he went on the athletic
show, but like the idea that all of these incredibly talented
quarterbacks are just going to be happy to dink and fucking
dunk all over the field. Like, so they've been talking
about this with Burrough. Obviously we saw this happen
with Josh Allen last year. We super saw it with the Chiefs.
I, I really wonder like, does the NFL want this?
Like it just like another year of this just seems so
depressing. Is there anything we can do?
Like could Joe Biden sign an executive order or something?
Like do you think these teams are?
I think the Chiefs are clearly not planning on playing that
way. No, I don't think so either.
Yeah, agree. But I'm I'm wondering the
corresponding thing with the Bengals and, and the Bills
specifically, like do you guys, I kind of get the sense that
these quarterbacks are sick of playing that way too, but that
might be. Well, I also think that my my
feeling on this stuff, even it's kind of the height of the too
high, you know, apocalypse, apocalypse.
Apocalypse. Yeah, which was really more like
the end of the 2022 season. I feel like it's when we have
the true too high apocalypse, we're kind of coming out of it a
little bit. And I my feeling is that the
offense always has the advantage because they dictate what's
going to happen and the defense has to react.
Now, the defense got really good at reacting to a specific type
of thing that was, that was happening very successfully for
years. But like some of this, you know,
like the cheap motion isn't like that's a tactic.
It's not like, you know, going to solve everything.
But I think it's like an example of like, Oh yeah, they're going
to come up with stuff that keeps, you know, they're the
wrinkles aren't going to stop. And like, what's Andy Reid going
to do? Like what's Xavier worthy cheat
motion going to look like in an Andy Reid offense?
Is that going to help unlock explosive plays?
You know, like the offense is always going to be looking to
unlock explosive plays in a lot of creative ways.
We don't know what those ways are, but I'm I'm going to count
on Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay to come up with new
ways year over year. And I know that there's gonna be
like down swings when the defense kind of has the upper
hand, but I don't. I just think like the nature of
what's happening where one side is scheming up stuff and the
other side is then scheming up the way to stop, that will give
the offense kind of advantages at various points of that cycle.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's like undeniably true about about
the progress of football as a whole is that it's not a
perfectly linear trend. But like you look at the way
that point scoring is gone and the trend is upward, even if
there is always going to be these like little local minimas
where defenses make good adjustments and they can truly
find an advantage that they didn't have over offenses.
But those can only last so long given the structure of football
as a competitive game. I.
Think that's a good, I think that's a good point.
I mean, last year just felt so horrible because like the bills
were getting terrible results. Joe Burrow got injured, Mahomes
was not playing well. Lamar kept getting, you know,
the Ravens were so good. The Ravens definitely belong in
this discussion, but we don't talk about them that way because
their defense has been so good. Well, they've had Lamar for for
most of it. I'm wondering if that doesn't
happen this year. I'm wondering if very sneaky.
The Cardinals are part of this as well.
Like that. I I've been, you know, for
obvious reasons, tracking Cardinals camp very close and
they everyone around the team seems like insanely hyped about
the offense. Like the offense seems to be
clicking on all cylinders very early for the Cardinals.
So I, I'm hoping that we get out of these local minimums and that
we, we find, you know, like and I feel part.
Of it might just be optimism for me like that.
I want to kind of, you know, be optimistic about offense, but at
the same time, like some of what we talk about is like a good
offensive season versus a bad offensive season.
Like the Chiefs, you know, not having any receivers leaning on
the run down the stretch. Travis Kelsey not being 100% and
they're saving him for the playoffs.
Like that. Just that alone, like the Chiefs
not being the Chiefs, kind of has an impact on our perception
of things. It does.
The fact that Mark Isvald is scantling like might not be
ahead of Tyrell Shavers now on the Bills gives you a sense of
how bad things really were for the Chiefs last year.
I mean the the three wide receivers who led them in snaps
last year outside of Roshi Rice are like on the like might not
make the roster like like Sky Moore might not make the roster.
Harbin might not make the Ross. On a rookie deal, like guys
might get cut on rookie deals. It's so bad.
Yeah, it it really it.
Really, I, I agree. I think like, you know,
individually you can definitely poke holes and and where the
Marquis brown, even Roshi rice, you can you can poke holes in
all of them. Like none of them I expect to
be, you know, top twelve NFL talents, but it's just
undeniable that their massive upgrades.
But but in. The end last year, yeah.
And if one of them hits big, I mean, that's all you need.
Plus plus Kelsey was so banged up last year.
So yeah, I think it's going to be hard for Mahomes to be as bad
as he was last year. It's not like he was terrible
last year. It's just that the weapons were
really like, I don't know, there's not a starting NFL team
that has really worst weapons of what Mahomes had last year
besides maybe the Patriots or the Chargers this year.
Like it was, it was really, truly awful.
And he won a Super Bowl. And he won a Super Bowl.
Like. That's the other.
Part of this is that he's still Mahomes.
Like they did not go away from Mahomes.
They went away from Cadarius Tony playing volleyball and, you
know, batting the ball to the the opponents.
Like it's it's it's pretty clear.
Like why last year played out the way it did and they kind of
ran bad on some stuff too. Like Tony is athletic and can
get separation. Unfortunately he's not a good
receiver, but like they they bet that he was.
It didn't work out like. Did you, Corinne, did you read
the article that they, there was a, a Tony kind of feature this
week and there was an anecdote about them.
I don't remember which game it was the one that he blew.
Yeah, it doesn't really narrow it down.
It was the IT was the Chargers game that he blew, I believe.
But there was an anecdote about how Mahomes in the huddle is
telling everyone. Yeah.
Oh, I saw. This like all you got to do.
And then Tony gives it to the defense and there's the clip of
him on the sideline going, I just fucking said it.
I mean, really incredible stuff. Yeah, really incredible stuff
from K Tony. I don't know that I've ever seen
Mahomes that angry. He's he's pretty like level
headed. He's pretty, Yeah.
He is pretty, yeah. I don't know.
It's so I'm hoping for we that's, that's your your weekly
schedule cheese stock. I mean, we don't have to do much
more than that. We all, I think we all know
where where we're at there. How How hyped are you on generic
prints? Can we get that?
Let's let's save that. We have CHA.
We're gonna. Save it.
Let's. Save.
It let's save it yeah yeah. So second biggest Roger here.
Audrick estimate up 12 spots. This is kind of like a lag from
last week's news. He's back healthy, practicing in
camp. The Javonte news cycle has kind
of been up and down. Javonte is going to be a riser
when we do this next week. I'm sure he probably will, but
yeah, I don't know. I've said my my two cents on
this situation. I'm curious, Kyle, how you've
been playing, starting with estimate.
Do you think he's? At Target in the one 90s you
think it's too fragile of a pick.
You know, as a fifth round rookie that hasn't proven much.
Curious how you're approaching that situation.
Yeah, I've been mostly hammering Devante.
He seems absurdly cheap for the likely role he has and then we
get the positive comments from Sean Payton, the report of him
and P Ryan fighting for roster spot all I mean, I shouldn't
even call it a report. That's not sort of a fair with
the speculation is really what it was seemed not entirely
improbable, but pretty improbable.
And it seems to be that that's the case.
I think the beat writers of all kind of been circling the drain
on like it does make sense to them to cut P Ryan.
It's not that it's a guarantee, but it does seem at this point I
would say it is more like. Wagons.
I think they were circling the wagons there.
Well, I certainly, I think that. P Ryan's time in the OH with the
team is circling the drain, let me tell you.
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, P Ryan's circling the
drain. Yeah, so I mean, it's not
impossible if you say this with the team, but I would take
better than 5050 that he is gone.
And I, I think I've questioned you like in our, in our discord
on this Pat and I think Roto Pat started questioning me on the
last Roto world football shows like what do you win when you
win with Javonte if P Ryan's out of the question.
Feels like there's a. Lot, you win a lot there.
I do think if Javonte stays or if P Ryan stays on the roster,
yeah, maybe there's not as fun of a win scenario because they
trust P Ryan in pass pro and he was legitimately efficient in
the confines of what they're asking him to do in terms of
yards per outrun. If he's out of the picture,
Javonte is healthier and like in better shape.
They were talking about him like just staying up late and eating
snacks all night. And he's like, yeah, I stopped.
I started treating my body like I'm a professional athlete and
now I've lost some weight. Like, yeah, maybe that's going
to work out in the long run given that you are quite
literally a professional athlete.
I I now see that there's a very clear what do you win when you
win path? Because as you know, Scratch has
talked about this is an offense where we know the backfield as a
whole will have a ton of fantasy points.
We just need them to be distributed in the right way,
where last year they're distributing the most unexciting
way, where P Ryan was locking you in for eight points and
never more than 12, but Javonte wasn't efficient enough to do
much else. I think there's a real potential
for a shift in the way the points are just distributed this
year. The other thing is.
Was getting a bunch of the high value touches to to ruin it even
more. Yeah, And I mean, the other the
other thing about Denver is that last year they were in this
situation where, you know, they they couldn't like lean on the
quarterback to really truly carry the offense and the
receivers weren't very high caliber.
Then they replaced a veteran quarterback with Bo Nix and the
receivers got worse. They got, they lost Judy, which
I think you have to say, you know, going from Judy to a a
fourth round Troy Franklin, even though I'm excited about him and
Josh Reynolds, that's a downgrade.
So there's even more incentive this year to pass to the running
backs a bunch and you have a quarterback in nick suit.
Like what is his biggest knock? It's that like he just does
short designed throws a lot of screens.
I mean, this this is set up for there to be a ton of running
back targets. So I agree with P, like if P
Ryan's gone, who's doing the pass protection?
I think it's Devante. I think he's the guy because
otherwise it's a rookie day three, two down banger and
estimate that really makes no sense.
Or Julio McLaughlin, who they talked about is the biggest
impediment to him even seeing the field was pass protection.
And he's an undersized back and I think he can get better in
pass protection and earn more trust.
But is he going to be the dedicated pass protector?
Like no, he's not. So Javonte, if P Ryan is cut,
you have this potential to to get the the third down back plus
maybe the early down lead back. That's that's the high value
touches right there. Yeah.
That it makes sense.
I I I certainly agree with the point that like when you dig
into the details, the Denver backfield is more attractive
than it looks on the surface. But I still think it's important
to remember, like especially on 1/2 PPR website, we're talking,
we're talking about a team that's, you know, by projected
team totals to score the second lease in the NFL this year.
And it's still, I think even if P Ryan is gone, quite likely to
be a three-way split. So I do understand like there
there's ways that plays out for Devante.
You know, maybe his role is bigger than expected.
They phase out, you know, estimate or McLaughlin, maybe
one of those guys get hurt and you can absorb the touches, But
I don't know. I, I think like at the end of
the day, like you can get the Dallas backfield at cheaper
prices than Javonte. You can take stabs at the
chargers backfield. You can take stabs at the
Bengals backfield and chase Brown at cheaper than Javonte.
I just think there's like more I, I.
Actually, don't even think that's true.
Like if you want Chase Brown today, you got to take him over
Javonte. Well, OK, yeah.
But Dallas, you can get multiple rounds like I think at the end
of the day, like. Why is that?
Cowboys running backs The Cowboys running backs are going
to be a much better half PPR fantasy target than the Broncos
backs like. Well, maybe, but I mean, yeah,
the pie if we can, if we're if we're playing Dallas running
back as a as a player, then yeah.
But I mean, who consolidated Dowdell's like my third or
fourth highest drafted player. So I'm praying it's Dowdell.
But I mean, you do have with Javonte of old backs that we're
talking about on the two teams, he's the the best bet to
consolidate, right? Yeah, he's also just the best
bet to be good where like obviously like like running
back, you know, is not nearly as like talent driven of a position
as wide receivers. So I don't want to rely solely
on the fact that he's probably of the sort of guys we're
talking about right now. The talent ceiling is highest,
but like it is the highest by a meaningful margin, like by
probably an extreme margin. And the guys, the guys who have
the highest talent ceiling that aren't him are on his team.
So that would be there could also be a winner somewhere else
on that team. Like there's really just not a
universe in which Zeke is a extremely talented player
anymore. I mean, it just is not possible.
Maybe like Chase Brown, but we're talking like he ain't
going to be this cheap. He's not this cheap by the time
you're listening to it. So, you know, among just the Gus
Edwards, that backfield and the Dallas backfield, and also
that's only two of 32 backfield. So I I actually think all of
these teams are targets when you can consolidate a lot of touches
on any of these teams for extremely cheap.
I do want to be targeting all these.
I think the more apt comparisons like, well, do we really want to
be consolidating touches for Rashad White, who's probably not
good on the Bucks? No, if those guys are that
expensive, like like, yeah, he's probably going to get a lot of
touches. He's also not very good.
Like when you have to pay that much for a guy and your argument
is he could consolidate touches. I don't love it when it's
Javonte who's cheap or Zeke, who I also think is a perfectly fine
pick. Like those are the guys I want
to cheaply consolidate touches with.
I just don't want to do expensively.
And I don't think it has to be Javonte versus Zeke.
Like teams I think are really strong when you do this multiple
times. Yeah, I think the only way to
kind of misplay Javonte is to then not take Julio and then not
take any estimate. And you know, just like 0.
Julio is the one that I'm out on now.
Jalil like running back 45 or whatever.
I mean he is a fun player and he definitely is going to have a
couple giga spikes but like I don't even know if he's.
I. Mean honestly if you're right
about that then he's a smash at ADP.
Like that's what you if. What is a giga spike for Julian
McLaughlin like? I think it's like just for 46.
Yeah, like it's, it's like a Wandale spike, like 19, like
19.4. You had me at six catches.
I was like go on. Estimate.
Estimate is clearly to me right now the best pick of them on on
underdog. I mean he is huge.
He weighs 225 lbs. This is cheating.
I mean, that's the exact same weight as Javante, to be clear.
Like it's 5 lbs heavier but. Yeah, not.
Anymore Javante dropped a bunch of weight.
No, Peyton said. He got down to 2/22/21, which
means he was playing. How much was?
He before was he playing at like 2:40?
Good. I know, Peyton said.
The target weight for him is in the like it was 220 or 221 is
what he said. So like he was playing large
last year? Do you guys, do you guys want to
do some classic Davis Matic cheating?
OK, for a point, Sam, can you present my screen?
Yeah, this is some classic Davis Matic shooting.
So these are the Rotovis SIM scores for estimate with his
draft capital not plugged in. Oh wow.
TJ Yeldon, Jonathan Stewart, Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry,
David Montgomery, Sean Green, Jeremy Hill.
Like Just like Classic for classic goal linebacks, you
know, early down grinders. Whatever, these pass the vibe
tests like these absolutely. Like yeah, I could.
I mean, no, obviously. Plug in the draft capital here,
Davis. No, no, for the draft capital
doesn't matter anymore. Just plug it in, just we'll see
real quick. No, like in 2024 is like a
second round pick. And OK, plug in, plug in, plug
in, a late third round pick from and we'll just plug that in.
Is that not enough? I'll put in 80, I'll put in 80
and just see what it does. Is that I think it'll be
interesting, not as good. This is all oh, Kendra Miller's
on this list, Doctor. No, these were these were these
were these were a couple guys who had had moments, which is
all you want from estimate you want, you want like you want.
Yeah, it's on Haskins. I'll never forget that.
Moment here's Here's the deal with Audrick Estimate.
You want Audrick Estimate to qualify for Remember that guy
when we're doing this show in six years?
That's what you want from Audrick Estimate.
Honestly, Stephen Ridley would be a pretty big.
Hit pretty big. Yeah, I would take Stephen
Ridley, although I don't know that he did anything as this
list is kind of interesting because even Mike these.
Guys hit his rookies. Yeah, it took he was he got
there on volume, but he was like real bad.
And then his second year he he added some efficiency.
So it's kind of interesting, kind of interesting list makes
you makes you wonder a little bit if maybe the play is is
ultimately just Devante, but we can move on.
Yeah, let's, let's move on. I feel like, like even Broncos
fans have to be so weirded out by how much the fantasy
community talks about their backfield.
They're like, are you guys? You guys Sure we should be.
Davis is new 30 minutes on every show talking about the Denver
Broncos backfield. Are you sure about this?
We we lucked into this they're. So.
Confused. They are.
I've been DM ING Denver beat writers and they're like, I
mean, you guys know the quarterbacks can't complete a
pass, right? You're aware that this is a
quarterback competition that Zach Wilson is involved in, by
the way. I've been I've read every report
that has come out of Broncos camp for this exact reason.
There the the amount of Zach Wilson might start week one.
It's it's a lot higher than you want it to be.
It is a lot. Peyton just said they're about
to narrow the quarterback competition.
That strikes me as guys, we've done it.
We've ruled out Zach Wilson. Yeah, that's that's good.
That's gotta be ruling out Zach Wilson, but yeah, now I'm I'm
sure the offense designed around screen passes to Devonte
Williams from bow Knicks. That's going to that's going to
work really well. It's.
Going to work really well for Devon St.
Williams. Yeah, no, yeah, he'll be the RB.
2712 points for you. Great.
It'll be really cool. It will be cool.
Yeah, you're getting. Them like 115?
Yeah, no, that'll be great. I'm sure that'll be a really fun
pick. Let's move on to talk about DJ
Shark, who was up 12 spots for some reason.
Well, the reason is that he's running ahead of Quinton Johnson
in three wide receiver stats right now for the SO.
This is not this is not 100% accurate.
By the way, this is another team that I've completely been
scouring on. So that's not 100% true.
QJ has been with the ones plenty The way Harbaugh's doing.
Thing is the starters are playing snaps with Easton stick.
Also, the Chargers beat writers seem to be one of the few teams
that follows the NFL rule that technically beat writers are not
really allowed to say who is with what.
Guy Nate Yankee tweeted this out the other day that technically
like beat writers are not allowed to be like.
These are the depth charts right now.
They kind of have to make vague allusions to it.
The real reason why Shark is up is because Quentin Johnson just
is so ass. I mean he is so so ass.
That's like a pretty clean way to put it.
Like you don't need to say much more on it.
He's he ain't it, man. Yeah.
Do you know like are we actually taking like I can't bring myself
to collect DJ chart? I guess if if you have Justin
Herbert, I'm never gonna fault you for taking sure a stacked
player with your quarterback. Like that's that's always fine
for me. But like.
I like to take. I like to take my zeros with
style points, so I take Brennan Rice.
Yeah, I just can't. So I don't know.
DJ Shark, to me, he's on this like sacrificial X receiver
axis. Yeah, yeah, totally.
He's somewhere on the M, you know, I obviously I wanted to
compare him to. T Where's T Higgins?
I couldn't. I've got AT Higgins chart T.
Higgins is just the right of Gabe Davis on this chart.
I couldn't quite squeeze him on here, but yeah, DJ.
Shark, I mean failing issues. In his last three seasons, 13%
targets for Outrun. That includes a season last year
where he was quote UN quote competing for targets with
Jonathan Mingo and Adam Thielen, and he was at like 11 percent,
12% targets for Outrun. Like all this dude does now is
he just lines up on the line of scrimmage on the outside.
They tell him to run deep. They occasionally throw him the
ball, sure. Jalen Gaytan, remember him?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like Jalen Guyton, buddy.
I don't even think like you watch DJ Shark.
He's not even like really fast anymore.
I don't know, man, it's it's kind of sad compared to the
player he used to be, But I just I don't think he's an NFL wide
receiver at this point. So I'm I'm pretty.
Also, Johnston's going to play some, he's going to mix in.
So yes. So Sharks rap participation is
70% sixty five. Like it's not it's not a profile
we're excited about from a talent perspective.
I don't even know how much opportunities really here from
the routes can't earn volume. I mean it's like a stack thing
where you're saying he's got a deep A dot.
I just need him to catch a long bomb in the right week.
Like that's OK, like I guess as a as a Herbert stack, but I
still am not that excited about. No, I mean I actually think
that's like the perfect way to put it is the the sacrificial X,
Like the first report we got was DJ Shark was playing with the
ones he can fill that X role, but it should have said he can
be the X parentheses derogatory. Like we don't mean this in a fun
he's that dude way. Yeah, it's not a fun X Davis.
Share my screen. You've looked into some powerful
stats, yeah. I have some deep analytics here,
sophomore seasons for DJ Shark and.
You make this a little bit bigger.
I can't see nuts are for these players.
How do I make this bigger? I can I can zoom in.
I can zoom in my screen. Yeah, you.
So we just we're just looking here at T Higgins and DJ Shark.
15 games versus 16 games. This is sophomore season for
these two More touchdowns, more yards, more yards per reception.
1 Pro Bowl nomination for. DJ.
Shark and more and more fancy points for DJ Shark.
You do. I mean, you can't argue with the
numbers. When was this for chart?
This was like 2020 that. Was that out of nowhere?
This was each of their second season. 2019 This was forever
ago, right? Yes, no, this was like a whole.
Differently. It wasn't that sharks fall off
was so rapid. This wasn't even that long ago.
2020 he got hurt, right? I mean I I don't really remember
but. He he had an ankle injury.
I think it was pretty serious. I think he had like a serious
ankle injury. Here's something I uncovered
today. Did you guys know that DJ Shark
played for the Lions in 2022? Yes.
Yeah, yeah. I've, I've, I, I relearned that
today. That was like the most forgotten
extent I've I can ever. That's why Breakout.
Season was in 2019. You're citing pre pandemic stats
right now. And then by the way, he was on
the exact same team the next year no real changes and he got
like out yards per targeted by keelan Cole and Leviska Chanel
and Chris Conley. It it it went it went S fast for
for shark. Yeah.
Shark. Well, at least at least we know
Like that's where I'll draw the line with D Higgins.
I will not compare him to DJ Shark, but Davis will so.
There you go. That's actually that's a bit of
an upset. I I I wouldn't affect that.
Yeah, I just I, I, I knew, I knew there was a way to make his
second season funny in this context.
So that and just that was playing to the bit of the show.
No, I, I am brackets 100% serious about this.
I am actually just straight up taking Brennan Rice over DJ
Shark. I mean, OK, you know, I'm not,
I'm not really doing it because I don't think Bryce is a lot to
make the team, but he. I, I think he's not going to be,
he's going to be a practice squad guy week one.
Well. That's good.
Take him over. That's definitely someone I want
to hammer in basketball then. I'm not hammering him.
I'm not hammering him, but I'm. Just I think he's on the
practice squad. I'm taking zero because I don't
think you can score, as far as I know when you're on the
practice. Squad not on What is DJ?
What is DJ Shark doing for you in Week 4?
No, I agree. I mean, I'm not drafting chark
really. But don't put me in a position
to defend DJ Chark. The idea is that, yeah, he's
like MVS from 2022, when he had two usable games and like.
Yeah, that's not, I mean the the one like minor thing I'll say in
favor of Chark is NFL coaches like view him as a full time
player at least they have the past three years like he's
hasn't done anything with on the field, but it's basically three
straight years of 80% route participation.
That's true. So that again, I, I think like
he's, yeah. You should be all in on him.
Like he's like basically Corey Davis and Devante Parker.
He's Devante. He really is.
He's a memorial. Devante Parker.
He is. Devante Parker is way better
than DJ Shark. We don't.
Do that but. Rashad Bateman, Speaking of
terrible wide receivers, he's up eight spots now.
I actually liked Rashad Bateman. He's up eight spots from 171.
Just just in time for his yearly training camp injury.
Exactly. Yeah, So this time it counts
with the Sean Bateman. He he limped off the field
today, I guess. So maybe this will throw a
wrench in things. But yeah, he's just, he's
consistently gotten camp pipe throughout the whole offseason,
like almost in the same way that Jameson Williams has.
But I guess people are just not willing to go that far with
Bateman anymore. Like we've been burned one too
many times. Whereas with Jameson, it's like
we've only been burned two times, so we can be burned a
third before we relegate him to the 15th round and.
I but I'm not that into Jameson, but I think his excuses are, you
know. Way more legitimate.
Much more legitimate. I mean, coming off the ACL, the
gambling suspension, maybe not having, you know, the right
attitude and then and then he's entering year three and it was
positive at the end of last season and now it's been
positive all offseason. And you know, he's a year
earlier in his career. Bateman is entering year four or
year five. I think you're 5I.
Think you're 4. OK, you're four, I believe.
Because he got an extension so anyway.
But his his path already is more concerning because he's a year
older. But then also the end of last
season, he wasn't good. So like I'm, I'm like, and he
wasn't getting on the field a ton and, and they weren't
playing Odell Beckham. So I think there's a lot more
reasons for for caution here. I I have been drafting some of
them but. That's.
Rising, I think you got to say goodbye to be.
Clear Well, you got to take him. You got to take him with Lamar.
Like what are you going to do? Like you like, I don't, I mean,
I guess you don't have to, but I think he's a very good selection
with Lamar and I would, I really only ever take him, but I I
think the right way to play this, if we're talking about
round 18 guys who might give you 0 is Devantez Walker is is.
I take a lot of Walker. Yeah.
Yeah, I have. I have 8% Bateman, so I'm not
out, but I'm a 13% Walker and yeah, price adjusted just the.
Much. I think I've got 16% Walker.
I think he's now that Dortch is like a 17th round pick.
He's the best 18th round wide receiver.
Yeah, I think maybe the hope for Bateman is that we saw last year
they signed Odo Beckham to way too much money and then seemed
to like need to give him something to do.
So they schemed him up a lot of first read targets.
Like he had a pretty reasonable target for Outrump.
That's just because they would put him out there and be like,
this is a play for you and then he wouldn't do all that much
with it. But they did seem to really have
a desire to get this guy involved in the offense.
And now that guy is gone and they have signed someone else to
probably like more money than they're honestly worth.
And Bateman, maybe Bateman is a guy who they now see as we need
to start scheming you plays that are are to get you the ball.
Will he actually do anything with them?
There's also the cut UPS of him not being, you know, not being
targeted when he's wide open and not being on the same page with
Lamar. And he this is his first like
healthy offseason, I guess before today and, you know, his
entire career basically. So, you know, there's something
to the idea of this dude finally gets like an offseason where
he's on the same page of this quarterback and the team finally
kind of saying, all right, it's time for you to step up.
This is like a really weird comp but maybe it's like a little in
Joku ish where like they like had him behind.
I was thinking Agalore, how like Agalore did the team switch and
was finally good, but it's just like you just needed a
refresher. Basically what they've been
needed. You can't.
I mean, the team being like, all right, we, we are expecting this
guy to step up and we're playing it like he will step up is is
big. You don't want to like pay too
much for that, but I think there is something to it.
So he's kind of getting to the point though, like every time
I'm like, all right, I'm starting to warm up to Bateman
now. He rises in price.
And so I I've been even with the field, I think I'll probably
fall behind the field as he as he continues to rise.
Yeah. And those like to the point of,
again, you don't need to compare it to Jameson Williams, But in
terms of the excuses, Bateman's excuses are maybe less like
obvious. But he did have that Liz Frank
injury two years ago. And then he was battling that
all offseason last year, came to the season not healthy.
And people were saying by the end of the year that he was
running his routes a lot better. You know, it did not translate
into fantasy production, that's for sure.
But there at least is some alibis for Bateman and why he
hasn't produced throughout the start of his career.
And yeah, I just think the prices is right for Bateman.
Like if you're going to bet on like a guy who hasn't really
done much all of his creating, you're just kind of betting on
him for the routes in the offense.
Like I think 165, whatever. ADP is totally fine.
Like I'm definitely taking him on Lamar teams and I've been
taking him as a standalone player as well on that range.
I think I think he's a pretty solid value.
Yeah, you're getting a piece of the Ravens offense which you
know, we know can put a big weeks so.
Yeah, and there's, yeah, there's not a whole lot.
Again, they you know, Duvernay is gone, Odell is gone.
There's there's some room there for a little bit more
consolidation maybe it's not just sort of the the three man
rotation between those three and Bateman really earns a full time
role this year. Dobbins is the next guy who's up
here. He's up eight spots by ADP,
another sort of injury situation that's thrown drafters for a
lead, but he is healthy. I'm not falling for it, dude.
I'm not falling for it. He isn't.
He isn't healthy. Again I.
Think well, I put healthy in quotes on the slide because.
So, so I don't know if you guys have some coach speaking X had
some some clips from Harbaugh. Harbaugh is going to be
extremely annoying. Like he's the way he's answering
questions on injuries. He's like Rashawn Slater had
something and he wouldn't say what he was like.
I'm not gonna categorize it. They're like, what?
Because. He is used to the college rules
where you don't have to. Yeah.
He's like, I'm not gonna categorize what it is.
He kind of like, at one point they got him to act it out and
he kind of like grabbed it. His legs, it's probably hammy.
So he actually kind of accidentally gave it away.
But he's like refusing to say what he injured.
Really, he wouldn't. Answer the timeline.
They're like, how long? Like is it a day?
Is he is he going to be out? You're going to be managing this
for weeks. And he's like, I'm not going to
categorize it. And that's that's what I that's
what I'm saying. That's that is the words that
I'm saying. It's like the great this, this
is going to be a lot of fun. Now JK Dobbins is one of these
players who missed, I think yesterday.
Gus isn't practicing. He said he wasn't aware that he
had off season surgery, but I think he did.
So I don't know what's going on there.
Are you guys familiar with The Secret Life of Walter Mitty?
That movie a, a, a, a Ben Stiller movie?
It's, it's this guy. He, he loses this photograph and
he has to go. And he's kind of like this
wallflower type of dude. He, he's been like real reserved
and he has to go out and he, he searches all over the world for
this photographer, this elusive photographer for this valuable
photograph. That's I'm about to start doing
that for some combining, Videl reports.
I'm ready. I'm ready to go.
To I've got it. Afghanistan.
I'm ready to go to Norway get I'm.
Doing well. Someone offered to be a beat
reporter for your website and you turn them down.
That's a little. That's a little less.
Fun I I've been, I've been, I've been pounding the pavement for
Videl. I've got all of it that's out
there. And I'll just tell you, nothing
good. Not not one good enough.
No working with Herbert in practice know Greg Roman being
like, oh, you know, he's doing everything.
We've asked him that the the kindest thing that's been out
there is that Roman says that he's excited to see how Videl
plays with the pads on, but Jarrett Patterson has been ahead
of Videl with. Herbert.
So it's not great. It's not great.
I'm not. I'm also not putting too much
stock into like first week of training camp depth chart stuff.
Yeah, I don't really care, but. But I agree, it's not like I
would be nice if he was a head of Isaiah Spiller and Jared
Patterson clearly and that's that's not the case.
But again, I don't want to bury him too much for that, like last
year with Von. E frustrated with Sorry, but
it's like Dobbins and Gus Edwards didn't practice
yesterday and I can't I'm not hearing anything about who the
running backs were like what did?
Can you just tell me like a running back?
I know like there might be some restrictions, but you can be
like nice cut by Jared Patterson while working with the ones.
Can we get that? That would be really nice.
They're not even out there. Dobbins And who is?
All it takes grain is you pay that guy fifty $50,000 annual
salary to be a charger's beat up your own personal charger.
'S beat back out, wait's back out a little more.
Like you're this is a fixable problem for you.
You can you can hire one of your own.
But for what it's worth, Dobbins and Gus are back out there
today. This is from Hayden Winks again,
we're in order of running back through drills season.
Today it was Dobbins, then Gus, then Spiller, then Videl.
Again. For what it's worth, that's not
necessarily the depth chart order maybe means something
though. And at least at least those guys
are out healthy. But let's get back to the
Dobbins part of the conversation.
I think we've talked a lot about the doll, like are we leaving
any, you know, flickering candle of hope on for JK Dobbins or are
we just like completely ruling him out?
Because I've been, I've been a little bit torn on what to do
with him. Start with you, Kyle.
I'm fine drafting him here because it I know if I draft him
now if I took him in every draft I couldn't even get up to like
6% because I have 0 to this point like stone cold.
There aren't ton of players that if I search in both of my apps
they do not come up. He is one of them.
And this price versus where it was two weeks ago is a
difference in like 1 auction dollar versus $1.20 and auction
dollars like a denomination you can't even count.
And he'd like he started camp not on pop slash NFI.
Like he's out there. And I think, I don't even think
he missed practice. I think they limited to limited
him to individual drills, which like also for a veteran coming
off of a big injury, I mean, like literally as careers worth
of big injuries probably are just going to keep pulsing him
in practice. Like, yeah, you're you're not
going to get a ton of full practices this early in the
summer. And everything we've said so far
points to this backfield being wide open.
Like we cannot find Crane. I think someone tagged us in a
video of Vidal taking a hand off a super grainy far away video of
Vidal taking a hand off from Herbert.
Now I can't even find it. Like the media is suppressing
the Vidal video, but like, Vidal's a whatever, 5th, 6th
round rookie. Like he could get cut Like that
stuff just happens to these guys.
The 49ers cut a third round rookie every year.
It's like Chargers can do it, but the six round guy and Gus
Edwards is like a total Jag coming off offseason surgery.
Like we got to buy someone here. I I do think like you have to
buy someone and they're all cheap.
If if I mean when, when Dobbins, you know, steams up 30 picks
because he makes a long run fine.
I took him five times and and that's all I'm going to get.
But at the dollar and 20 price, I think we have to be drafting
someone here and he's fine at this.
Point. Yeah, I mean, the thing with all
these guys after Gus is are they even going to make the roster?
You know, and Fidel, it's like, maybe not, but man, he could be
really fun if he does. You know, we see a lot of years
an unheralded guy step into opportunity and kind of become
one of the guys you need. And Fidel has has take an
opportunity to be that guy if he's good, but maybe he's not.
And so that's that. That would suck.
Limiting factor. Limiting factor yeah, Dobbins
has the same setup. He's coming off the Achilles and
you know, two years off the ACL. So like is he going to be able
to to be good enough to to take over the role?
But I think we should be open minded to him being able to do
that. And then if he's in like less of
a risk to get cut, which he seems like less of a risk,
right? Like that would be the the thing
I've changed on the most. How likely is it the JK Dobbins
gets cut? I think a lot less likely than I
thought like 3 weeks ago. So I'm starting to warm up to
him as an OK pick and maybe maybe he's even a good pick.
Like I was willing to take on this risk with Bidel because of
the situation. Why not take on the risk with
Dobbins a little bit before he gets, you know, I mean, if he
rises a lot in price then I'm not interested, but he's still
so cheap. Yeah, I mean, like you said,
three weeks ago I was like, Dobbins might not be in the NFL
anymore. Like, they certainly aren't
paying him. Like he's a meaningful part of
their team and no one else is willing to do that.
And probably the only reason they did it is because he's a
Nebo baby. He knows the Greg Roman offense,
but he's out there. He's practicing.
He looks fine enough like. No, he looks fine.
His calves are different sizes. The gate is weird.
I haven't seen, I haven't seen the weird gate like the iconic
weird gate video from a few years ago is.
Bad. So what'll what'll happen?
The calf The calf picture does look pretty damning.
What'll happen is he'll get injured in week four and then
all the the Twitter docs are going to be like, we told you
dude, we told you compensation injury, you know?
Yeah, that's what I'm, that's what I'm thinking.
Like even if he starts the season as a starter, like we've
just seen this so many times with these Achilles guys, like
they just don't, they don't last.
Week Cam Akers was a playoff hero in the same year he tore
his Achilles. He put up I think it was Week
16. He put up a massive score that
Week 16. It was 'cause he knocked like
two or three of my teams, I was like, I only need to fade 30
from Cam Akers. There's zero way he does this to
me and I had like two teams that got knocked out of finals
contention. At this price, one game like
that would be way more than enough and and I don't even know
that it needs to happen in the. Playoffs.
Dobbins is vegan. Dobbins is vegan.
I'm out. I'm.
Out Wasn't Aaron Foster vegan? He was, yeah, when he sucked.
He. Went he went vegan, he went
vegan and then hurt his Achilles and was done.
Can we get a Can we get a chart of when Aaron Foster went vegan
and just just craters? Not to nitpick the details of
that crane, but that was so Akers tore his Achilles in the
offseason of the 2021 season, then returned for the playoffs
in 2022, and then it was that regular season after that where
he had that huge Week 16 game. So.
But that would be this season for Dobbins.
No, no, it would be No, it was like a full no, it's like a full
8 month difference. He toured his Achilles and then
he returned later that season, which would have been last
season for Dobbins. No, he and that weird.
He did not return in the regular season.
He returned in the NFL playoffs that year.
Right. But then the following year was
the the spike week that I'm talking about, right?
2022 what he would have been, he would have been about 18 months
removed from the Achilles when when he had that crazy run from
week 1516 and 17. And Dobbins would be like 17
months removed or 16. No, no.
No, Dobbins will be like 11 months removed.
Yeah. Oh.
I think. I think what Karine you're
saying though is if Dobbins does it in, I thought?
He tore his Achilles. I thought he tore his Achilles.
Yeah, I'm talking about the fantasy playoffs.
So I thought, yeah, Dobbins wouldn't be 11 months removed.
He, he tore his Achilles like week 1.
So he'd be he's. A year he's like 12 or 13
instead of 18. Crane is saying in the playoffs.
In the playoffs. In the playoffs.
Oh. Sure, you know the weeks we care
about. You know those.
Yeah, I still, I still think that I'm, I still think that
it's a nitpick, but I think I'm right that it's like a four
month difference, but. I don't think it is because it
was. It was bizarre.
Maybe, maybe, yeah, it was like July versus September, so.
Yeah, this is hurting my brain. I I see your point though.
He could. He could just like the point.
You're talking about the difference of like two months.
Yeah, the point you're making, which I think is a good one, is
that Dobbins at this, especially at this ADP, but he doesn't have
to be good if he just like has the role and is getting that
many touches. Like Cam Akers in 2022 was
pretty terrible all season. He just kind of completely
locked boxed into a huge spike totally because he had the role.
So yeah, I think that's fair. I mean Dobbins again, he has the
multi ligament ACLNCL hamstring tear before the Achilles so.
He just has more checkered injury in.
History than Cam Akers so I don't know.
His lower body stuff is like, man, I would retire.
You must have like he must have a lot of dog in him.
He he has broken his leg. He's done both his Acls and he's
got the Achilles. I mean, it's really rough stuff.
Here's my 60 IQ take. I I even at these prices, I have
basically no interest in Dobbins on underdog.com.
If I want to start taking JK Dobbins, I'll take him in a
redraft league where I can cut him after he hurts his knee
again. Yeah.
And I should say I'm at 1% Dobbins.
So this is like mostly a me trying to stay open minded kind
of take of like am I missing something?
Am I trying, you know, should I be willing to mix this guy in
now that the Bidel stuff well. We all kind of missed something
because we thought this was impossible.
Like this ADP, we were like, he's making $50,000.
He's not. He's like, it's not like we all
were playing this the opposite way the whole time.
Exactly. So it's like if the Videl Steam
does not seem to be materializing so far, maybe it
does later. Gus is like, not someone it's
going to be easy to get excited about ever.
I mean, if Dobbins just kind of keeps on track to make the
roster, it's like a handcuff, you know?
He would be worth considering at this price, so.
Honestly, might be better that he's a handcuff, Let him
continue to like, heal up. And that timeline we talked
about where like, yeah, I don't know if this guy can play a full
NFL season anymore, but if he's a backup running back who can
play a few games for me at the cost of pick 164, like that guy
is valuable. Yeah.
Yep, Yep, Last thing I'll say and then I'll move on.
I I do think like this this, the headline here is that it's good
news that Dobbins is much more likely to make the team than we
originally thought. I still think we have to be wary
of this is the first week, second week of training camp.
These veterans are almost always going to be, you know, the quote
UN quote starters. And I would not rule out
Spiller, Patterson, these other guys from carving out a role
ahead of Dobbins. Like the Pads haven't really
come on yet. We haven't seen the preseason.
So I'm not saying that like he's a lock to make the roster.
I do think it's much more likely he's going to make it than what
I thought originally, which is certainly good news.
Yep. Well, not for me, but sure.
Not actually not for me either because I have none of him, but
good. Good for Dobbins, good that he's
coming back healthy. Chase Brown this is.
I'm actually surprised this ADP rise is so small.
He's only up three spots after reports that.
There's no Fast Puppy open right now.
Is that, Yeah, Is that what's going on?
But yeah, I'm curious, Kyle, how you're reacting to this news
that Chase Brown is working with the ones depending on who you
talk to. Charlie Clifford, who I was not
familiar with his game, but this has been the report that's going
around that he continues to take the majority of the reps at
running back with the ones. Curious if you've been adjusting
your stance on Chase Brown. I mean, no, but most excited.
I've been drafting a ton of him and until he really steams up,
I'm like, yeah, I'll just continue to draft this guy.
Like I don't even want to say extremely talented, but just
like Spike week, potentially explosive guy who plays on an
offense we want to target whose competition is like veteran
grinder Zach Moss, who's making like fine money.
But actually the the money kind of reminds me of what we saw.
Like Alexander Madison got extended right before Dalvin
Cook left. It was like 2 years, 7 million,
I think. And, and Zach Moss is 2281, if I
remember correctly. Like, yeah, a guy making 44
million on average is probably a good bet to see snaps.
But like, is he a good bet to lead a team's backfield in
carries when the other guy is potentially really talented?
I don't know if he's a great bet to be that guy.
And obviously he's the one who's more expensive right now.
Wouldn't, I guess we probably won't see this, but in my mind,
it would be totally rational to just flip Chase Brown and Zac
Moss, ADP. Like which one of these guys do
I think is more likely? To we're gonna see it.
That's gonna happen. If you think it's going to
happen like we need to start, we need to get the last grasp of
this guy. Is a great how do you think I'm
literally entering drafts before Chase Brown and then getting
sniped. I'm going in trying to get 100%
exposure to Chase Brown and getting 33% exposure.
That's that's the environment we're in right now.
All right, Davis, take your take your victory lap on Chase Brown.
You've been showing great restraint so far, but.
You know, people are saying this might be my Liam year where all
my cakes just completely sun run and I hope they're right.
Who are those people? Davis just.
People, and people have. Been saying it, it's more like
in the ether. It's in the orange.
Yeah, you can kind of feel it. You can.
Feel it. So Chase dodged the big bullet,
which was that they didn't select Trey Benson or even even
a Braylon Allen type like a big bodied guy.
Even if Videl or like Isaiah Davis was a bangle, you'd be a
little bit concerned. As it's July 29th, this could
always change. Samaj P Ryan is not a Cincinnati
Bengal yet. So kind of every day I wake up
and and sort of thank the various deities across the earth
that that is true. This is where I I've ultimately
landed on this situation. The team decided Chase Brown is
good enough as a rusher and a receiver to replace Mixon, but
they needed to have a better insurance policy in case he
can't hold up in pass pro and that's why Zach Moss is there.
Moss is there if they get to week two and Joe Burrow has been
sacked 7 times through two games and Burrow and Brown just keeps
getting blown up In pass pro Joe Goodberry stated exactly what
you think, which is Moss is going to be Samaj P rhyme.
Plus like Brown is not going to have Joe Mixon's workload where
he's getting 18 carries and six targets a week, but it'll
probably be more like 14 rushes and four targets a week.
And the other thing is, for me personally, this is probably not
something that applies to everyone, but I've got so much
Chase Brown and so little Zac Moss that this actually is kind
of nice for me because now I'll be able to get Moss at a price
that I think is appropriate. Whereas like running back 25 Zac
Moss I had no interest in. So I think the way to play this
now is to, I mean, definitely keep keep taking Chase Brown.
Now, if Chase Brown gets more expensive than like James
Conner, maybe we can chill out now.
But Zach Moss at like running back 33 pricing is going to be
really strong. So that's that's how it is,
yeah. Yeah, I was.
I was looking at the contracts for an article I'm working on
for Austin Echoler and Antonio Gibson and very similar, which
is one of the reasons I'm pretty high on Brian Robinson.
I think you know that these guys, this is a type of contract
you bring in for kind of a a solid reliable.
Exactly what it is. Passing down kind of backup
type. Yep.
Well, Zach Moss got that exact same contract, so.
Actually, actually less than than both of them.
Yeah. And at the time when I was first
writing this up, I was like, well, I guess, you know, one
counter to this point I'm making on Robinson is that, you know,
Zach Moss looks like the starter in Cincinnati with this
contract. Well, maybe he was never lined
up to be this. Maybe they always kind of
unbeknownst to us, viewed Chase Brown as the 1A and and Moss
exactly like Davis laid it out as kind of a a really solid
backup plan slash, you know, guy they can trust and pass pro
until they signed Samaji P Ryan once he gets cut so.
Just can we just can we not could just whatever you believe
in personally, who are you? You listening, you watching?
Send it to your various people that you do not want Samaj P
Ryan to be a Cincinnati Bengals. You prefer him to be a Jet,
You'd prefer him to be a Buccaneer.
Buccaneer would maybe be perfect for me because I I'm not all the
way bought in on a buck ear ring, but just anywhere but the
Bengals. Davis is going to unite the
various faiths of the globe just to just to make sure that Chase
Brown stays the the unquestioned.
And I like Samaj P Ryan, he's a easy he went to the University
of Oklahoma. He's a good dude but just can
just not a not of the Bengals even the.
Weather like it's it's ugly in the Midwest that time of year
anyways, go go to Florida. Even the Chiefs.
He makes more sense for the Chiefs than he does for the
Bengals that he does. Yeah, I think also with the
advantage you have on him not going to the Bengals is, you
know, this Bengals for an office like they don't know how to do
contract restructures, like they never sign people to extensions.
Like I don't, I don't trust them to like be able to get the money
together to pay. Something.
Becomes a free like, I don't think they've ever done like an
offseason like that late in the offseason edition before.
So I, I really thought about you the other day.
I I was reading the comments of the Bengal the most of the
Bengals training camp recap on the athletic just to see what
people were saying about Moss and Brown and the entire comment
stream was the fans being like this fucking front office does
not understand contracts. Why would they not just pay
Jamar Chase? Why are we acting like this is a
family owned hardware store in 19?
3. Like please can we just and we
just figure this out? Well, here's a concern, how we
consider they are not extending Jamar Chase because there is a
potential soon to be free agent running back from Denver who
wouldn't they got to make money for the Bengals.
They got to make that money. Worse, they're saving.
They're saving the T Higgins and Jamar Chase money for Samaj AP
run. That's that's.
True. Let's get here to some fallers.
I think this is the most dramatic rise either way.
Rising our falling ADP Kendra Miller down 15 spots.
Pick 145 to 160 based on Dennis Allen, head coach of the Saints,
basically saying that he needs to fight for a roster spot.
He's so pissed off at Kendre for always being banged up.
Start with you Kyle, as the guest.
Is it? Is it Jover for Kendre Miller?
Yeah, a minister over this guy. Dennis Allen hates this guy.
And like, it's not like he's so good.
Like, it's not like, Oh well, Kendry flashed so much as as a
rookie, we. Was.
Going to leave the candle on for him.
He didn't play as a rookie like and that was part of the reason
why Dennis Allen hates him is he didn't play as a rookie.
So yeah, like your coach tells, he's telling us he doesn't think
you are on the field enough to make the roster.
Cool. Done.
Didn't need to hear anymore. Well, I if you want to hear
more, he's talking glowingly about Taysom Hill.
You guys. I mean, like Dennis Allen hasn't
said a kind word about anybody all offseason on the Saints and
he won't stop talking when they bring up Taysom Hill.
They're like, do you have a concrete plan for this guy?
He's like the concrete plan is he's going to get the ball.
That's the concrete plan. He's going to be back there.
Sometimes he'll pass the ball, Sometimes he's going to be
running around. Sometimes he's running around
from the backfield. Sometimes he's getting the
handoffs from the backfield. Taysom Hills getting the ball.
He's done everything we asked me to do and they asked about
Kendry Miller. He's like, yes, hamstring got
injured again and I don't even know if he's going to make the
team now. I've, I've never heard the
coach. I've never, I don't think I've
ever heard a coach talk about a second year, third round rookie
pick by being like, he's like talking to them.
Like how about how I talk to my dynasty teams?
He's like, you know, availability is the best
availability. I mean, it's crazy to just be
like, I'm done with him. I'm I'm done with this guy.
Here's a note that Sacrilegious shared in our Discord for the
rankings. Jordan Mints practicing ahead of
Kendra Miller. Yeah, here.
Here's another step. Learning.
Jordan. Mints.
I don't even know who. Jordan.
Mints I don't. Either it was a name learner for
me. Yep, it's a name learner.
No state with Ronnie Rivers together.
Forgetting name learners, I mean this is this is bad.
This is like doghouse guy who didn't play his rookie season.
I, I mean, I think we like we're 10 spots behind ADP as we sit
here right now and I'm like figuring out exactly.
How much I, I'm just like, there's actually not even a
price to yeah on these vibes. Like I'm taking, I'm taking
Dylan Lauby over Kendra Miller. JK Dobbins or Kendra Miller.
Oh JK Dobins, no. Question I I just after that
whole conversation I just was on the clock in a slow draft.
I just took Dobbins for like one of the first times like 3
minutes ago. But like Roshan Johnson or
Kendra Miller. Roshan not going.
Oh, Herbert. Yeah.
Herbert, Elijah Mitchell, all those guys are so much.
Will Shipley or Kendry Miller. Okay, that's a good line.
That's a good. Line, I think that's where
we're, yeah, we're in that range now.
Yeah, here's another funny one. Okay, so week three.
Last year both Kamara and Jamal Williams were out, unavailable
to play. Who led?
Kendra Miller was healthy, active.
Who led the team in SNAP? I I know this and it's not.
It's so annoying that I'm. Making that Saints.
Saints Nepotism. Tony Jones.
Tony Jones, Tony. Jones.
They trusted Tony Jones with the.
Style. Let's go dig deep.
That was crazy. Andre Miller.
That's a blurber right there. That's a professional blurber.
Yeah, I think so. Kendra was hurt.
I don't know even know if he was like hardly available for that
game because he was hurt all last offseason too.
He. Played.
Yeah, he played 33% of snaps in that game and then played in
week four after that, so I assume he's healthy.
Yeah, I don't know about healthy.
He was active and then he hurt his ankle.
But like, this is the problem. Even when he's active, not like,
I don't mean to be mean to the guy as well to he's got enough
people being mean at him. But like, This is why Dennis
Allen doesn't like him and he got hurt again.
He had an ankle injury later in the year.
Kendra, I thought, was a pretty intriguing prospect and there's
a lot of opportunity there. But like, we just have to listen
to the guy who's ultimately in charge of deciding whether or
not he sees the field. Like disseminating how often he
gets the ball. Yeah, it's because it's not like
he's, you know, with some of the stuff like, hey, a guy's going
to be out there. He's and he's like really
talented and he's flashed and it's like, is there a question
of whether or not he'll be the one or the two?
Like I'm willing to bet on that guy, You know, I just described
Jalen Warren kind of thing. But if it's like, no, no, no,
he'll be the trusted backup because he's better than the
coaches think. Like that is a dangerous bet.
Yep. Yeah.
And the other side of this is Kamara, he's up a couple spots.
I think that's just the other side of the coin of Kendra being
down. People are reacting by putting
Kamara up a little bit. I think you guys on your ranking
spot, Crane had a great conversation, Kamara.
So I don't want to go into too much detail there.
I will say, like in PPR sites, I am open to Kamara assuming he's
around 60 to 70 like in certain builds.
And the only reason for that is just like as bad as he looks in
the efficiency metric, efficiency metrics, I think his
role is like much safer than his age and declining efficiency
suggests just because of this team.
And you can point to some positive notes with the new
coaching staff with Clint Kubiak coming over for San Francisco.
He did a really good job of scheming up Christian McCaffrey
with pre snap motion lining him up in the slot, you know, in San
Francisco if you give him any credit for the Shanahan stuff
over there there. So I just think like it's ugly,
it's disgusting. But in PPR, like there is a
ceiling with Kamara at the right price.
I'm not so sure about 100% PPR, but.
I would never say this before the hour mark of this show, but
I have taken Kamara a couple times.
Yeah, I mean, I've taken him a couple times.
I think it's a. Terrible pick.
And I think it's likely to be one of those things where I
like, I got a team through to the semifinals and I'm like
frantically checking if the team is any good.
And I see that Kamara is one of my running backs.
And I'm like, well, you know, you just had to diversify, you
idiot. You could have just taken a good
player instead, you know? But I am taking him a little.
Bit I mean he had he had 18 PPR points a game last year, more
than most are a chain grease hall.
At some point you just got to like say it's not that bad a
pick at cost, especially in PPR like.
Well, just always remember what they took from us.
You know, Taysom could be eligible at tight end on
underdog and they the the deep state shut it down so.
Yeah. Honestly I don't know man, I owe
it on underdog but I but what if Taysom goes back to tight end at
on on FFPC? Well The thing is is he
specifically is so much less valuable in a format that
rewards extra points to tight it.
Like obviously he's still, you still want him on the way more.
Easy. But I mean, but, but he's not
going to have that many receptions.
Taysom's value is all touchdown related.
He's a running. Can we all just come together
and list Taysom as a running back please?
Yeah, he, he is literally a running back.
I, I I don't know why. Like sometimes you got to
optimize for fun listening to the tight end.
It's kind of. Fun.
Listening as a quarterback is no fun at all.
Yeah, no, I mean that's. The that's the only.
Yeah, yeah, let's have a little. I I had a I'm trying.
To bring the people together, you know?
Sam, real quick before we move on, I had a commenter open my
3rd, 4th and 5th eyes on on YouTube.
The tweaks Oh. Shit, guys, this is the most so
you know, like the Saints list him as quarterbacks basically to
cheat. It's like, you know, so listen
to this shit. You guys are not the commenter
was like, what if their way of cheating doesn't have anything
to do with the third quarterback emergency rule?
What if it's to have another guy on the field who's got the mic
in his helmet? Oh, is that legal?
What? Yeah, I was.
I don't know. I don't.
Know, I don't think that's. What happens?
Very not. But what if?
Have you thought about it? Because we don't know.
But I'm saying it's, I'm saying I don't think.
We'll look into the the mic. Rolls.
There's one guy with the mic. I don't think you're allowed to
just like put right? Well, wouldn't all the
quarterbacks have the functionality in their helmets?
I don't. No, I guess it's literally not
allowed to wear the helmet. All right, all right.
Only one green dot per team on the fields, says Nez.
All right. My third eye was open and you
guys closed it. Close, close that 5th eye.
That 5th eye doesn't need to be open.
It's it's. Closed.
Can they switch? It can they switch it back and
forth between car and taste them depending on the play the play
call yes they. Probably.
Yeah, probably. And maybe there's a little
toggle in there, you know they. Turn Yeah, they taste some
toggle. They taste some toggle.
Also notice. There's just a little switch
that says this. Is the team that is caught for
cheating though This is the same organization that is on the
record as getting punished for cheating.
I like the the ideas that, Oh yeah, we're comfortable
cheating, but we still have to listen as a quarterback, like we
don't want to go that far. Yeah, Thank you.
Thank you, Scott. I'm I'm trying desperately here.
Yeah, this train is long off the rails.
Yeah, yeah, Ch, we got to talk about him.
This this was, I think, like some of the most concrete news
of the last two weeks that it is not an open and shut case for
the she's running back two jobs. And Eric Prince has been, I
think pretty consistently taking snaps for the first team before
CEH. Now, CEH has still been taking
snaps for the first team, but it has been prints first, according
to reports. We'll kick it to our Chiefs
correspondent Davis Maddock, who looks like he's trying to screen
share something. Davis, what's your?
Bring the screen share in. These are these are these are
the generic prints comps. Let's stop would stop when we've
heard of someone. Let's just stop when we've
heard. Of someone Marshawn Lloyd.
Marshawn Lloyd. All right, We've got one guy
that we can comp him to. Did.
You put the draft capital in here or not?
There is. None 00.
Wow, it'd. Be zero.
Can you give him? 80 Let's give him the same 80 as
as we gave what's. That you know what that's a good
that's a good bit. So let's just let's just do
that. That is Karina.
I like that some other guys. Oh.
God, some other bad players. Bad players.
I have heard of Damien Harris. Damien Harris.
Is Amir White? Amir White.
Niall Davis was honestly railroaded.
Now Davis could have been a good.
Now Davis could have been a good NFL player.
He got railroaded this. Is love man I I've drafted.
Same. Same.
Honestly, same. Oh.
That one hurt. Ryquil Armstead was gonna be
James Robinson before he got COVID, people.
Before he got long COVID, yeah. This is what I say a ton of I
mean. Christine Michael is the the cop
I've heard floated in the ether for generic.
Christine Michael is why I'm not a tape guy.
Basically cuz that guy no one has ever looked better to me on
tape. Because I.
Was like I better stick to the stats.
I'll I'll just say this. I think the reports are to me,
like consistent enough that it's real that like they probably are
planning on having Prince be their second running back.
But also we did do this last year and they got into games and
Prince stunk so bad in pre season.
Like was whiffing on every pass block.
Like could not gain a yard. Like it was really bad.
And that would vibe with what he did at Tulsa University, where
he was unable to significantly outproduce guys named Steven
Anderson, Shamari Brooks, Like, like, like to the point that he
I don't believe he ever LED his college team in rushing, which
is weird. But yeah, I, I mean, I think, I
think we, we are all familiar with a running back guy who's
not a prospect. But then it just doesn't matter
because he ends up in a favorable situation.
This could very much be an Eric Prince I.
Mean that was literally. I mean, that was Erica's client.
But and Pacheco and Pacheco at least was like the leader of his
team. It's just that the team was so
bad, right? It was like slightly.
Different. A real a real ball melting
situation, if you will. Yeah, I mean his his college
profile I thought was pretty bad, but then he had the the
four three speed and lands on the chiefs.
And so you're kind of just be like, I guess maybe.
And then obviously it's been a it's been a smash.
But yeah, I don't know. I mean, Prince just not being Ch
has made me intrigued. Like you're not Ch and you're
running ahead of Ch so but it sounds like because I was going
to ask if this, the fact that CEH looked like a locked in two
made Pacheco look like more of a target to me.
If it's anyone but CEHI, get a little more nervous about
Pacheco. But if you're what you're saying
about Prince makes me less nervous about Pacheco.
I I. Think cut him last year.
He is definitively probably not good at NFL football.
We just. Don't know.
I mean he was a UDFA, didn't make the team his rookie season,
then he gets brought back. He's the number 2.
That guy could be good. I don't know, UDFA didn't make
him as a rookie sounds. Bad.
Yeah, that that part sounds bad. But then if he gets brought back
and is the number 2. No, dude, they were playing
Lamichael. They played Lamichael P Ryan
over him in a playoff game. I I I'm wondering if I'm
wondering if maybe this is? It does feel like a SIOP generic
Prince feels like a bit of a it does.
SIOP, yeah, it's been. Two years in a row of this.
And they're doing all the the Tony at running back Roshi Rice
is getting carries. Like to me that that sounds like
we have one good running back we like and our cap situation is so
miserable. We literally would, just like we
can't bring in a veteran and pay him $3.2 million.
Yeah. He's the only reason Ronald
Johnson get brought back. Exactly.
Yeah, I think he is he not on the the practice squad he.
Might. There's no way, no.
No, we would have heard that name.
So my take on this in terms of like actionability and and how
you play it is I, I don't want to take either of them right
now. Like if I, if I was like gun to
my head, maybe 20th rounded DraftKings, like Trey Sermon's
gone, Tank Bigsby's gone. I think I'm still going CEH over
prints but it's like. Well, that's that's close.
You can't do that anymore. People are taking prints now.
Yeah, but I don't know, man. Like it.
It just feels like I think the Chiefs kind of know what they
have in CEH and they just kind of want to like try out these
other guys. To see that's how I've evaluated
it. Yeah, that's how I did.
I was evaluating it that way, but now I'm starting to think
it's just print. He keeps rotating in a head like
seems like he's like, it's not like chapter is getting his days
and then Prince is getting his days and then they're trying
someone else out. Like, I think that's still
possible, but I. How many days I want to say
Prince being the number 2 until he just is the number 2 would be
the question that you're toeing around because like, yeah, sure,
one or two times. Let's see what we have in
Prince. Three or four, five or six, two
weeks. It's week four and we're like
they'll bring Chapter and is the RB2.
Soon enough, the playoff stretch comes around.
Like there is a number of days in which I will believe Prince
is just clearly the RB2 and given how bad Chapter is, that
number should kind of be low. Then Eric Prince or Kendry
Miller Prince. Oh God, probably Prince.
Yeah, it's Prince. Yeah.
Ronald Jones No, Kadari's Tony. Kadari's Tony's really my answer
to this question. And I don't care, don't care.
I think they're, I think they're serious about it.
I, I, I really think they are going to be like, we just got to
get something out of this guy. Chiefs RB2, certainly still
worth monitoring. That's like the number, not
number one, but one of the top 10 things I want to see in
preseason. See how that shakes out?
I just pulled up Kedarius Tony and I have a note in my rankings
and the note I think must be from last year.
It says try to stay at 6% at most.
Good note. Right about that's right about
where I'm going to. That's right about.
Tony, yeah, Tony last year was, I mean, that's the the Jameson
Williams memorial pick, Kadarius Tony in the seventh round last
year. Let's talk about Ricky Pearsall.
He's down seven spots. He was on the NFI list.
I think if I remember correctly he was activated off that maybe
a couple hours ago. Yeah, literally today.
So I expect this to be a temporary dip.
But yeah, curious Crane, what's like the what's the stance on
pure Sol now? I know we've talked about him a
bit earlier in the offseason. Are you still bullish on him at,
you know, this price? You know you were when he was
more expensive, so I assume you still are.
Yeah. I mean, I don't think pure Sol
is like you got to got to get him, but I do think he's a
pretty good pick in a format where you're trying to marry
floor and ceiling. Is Pierce all going to, you
know, make the team 100% his first round pick, right?
Is he going to like be kind of the next man up if there was an
injury, Like I think pretty clearly would have would have a
role if there was an injury to any of these other guys, Is
there a chance that he gets scheme stuff throughout the
season? Yeah, He was their first round
pick. So you've got like a floor of,
you know, he could do some interesting stuff.
You have the ceiling of contingency.
I don't think IU gets traded. I think that's a very low
probability. But I mean, obviously if that
were to happen, pure Sol's stock shoots way, way up.
So if you're getting them in around like 150, I just think
it's hard to see exactly how it plays out.
But it's in retrospect not going to be that difficult to be like,
oh, right, Kyle Shanahan's first round receiver who gets open in
the intermediate part of the field and is good after the
catch, was a good pick at 1:50. So I'm trying to just like.
Zoom, you know both exactly how it beats you and why it's the
dumbest pick imaginable. Like on on both hands, you're
like Ricky Pearsall hand up. I lost, I get it.
And I had 70% Ricky Pearsall and he had zero score.
But weeks, I get it. You know that's the way she
goes. Right.
Yeah. But I mean, it's cheap enough,
right? I just think I'm I'm, I'm like
13% Pierce all. I'm not, he's not like a huge,
huge part of My Portfolio, but I I just I'm like, yeah, I'm going
to, I'm going to be overweight. A first round pick at this
price. Yeah.
Kyle, is there leg up rankings team consensus here on Pierce
all or what are your thoughts on him?
Yeah, I mean, that's how that's where I'm at with him.
It it's kind of like a different flavor of like the Xavier
leggette. Yeah, man, I didn't like his
profile. He can't get separation or
training camp. I post all this stuff in the leg
up this court and like, should we move him down?
I'm like, Nope, it's fine. We should still draft him.
Like the end of the day when you can get players who the NFL in
mass thought was extremely talented and are young, super
cheap, you kind of just got to take your medicine even if
you're like, I don't like Xavier Leggette.
I don't think Ricky Pearsall is going to play much.
It's as Karine said, it's not easy to see how you win.
But looking back in retrospect, be like, oh, Debo Debo, never
healthy. He tweaked his ankle, and Ricky
Pearsall played a bunch. Yeah, that, as it turns out,
makes sense. Something like that.
But. Here's one way.
Small out, small percentage chances that all add up to where
Ricky Pearsall's probably just a good bet it cost.
Here's one way to think about why Pearsall I think is a good
pick in redraft. Is Pearsall a good pick?
No. He's going to, you're going to,
he's a roster clogger. You're going to hold him
forever. You're going to, you're going to
need to turn that spot, right? But he's like.
A you're going to have you're going to have the worst debates
with your Co managers too about whether you should cut them or
not. Like it's going to waste hours
of your life. Sam week two is going to give us
his route participation and tell us that we can't we can't be
drafted, but we going to have you know, when we get to this
part of the draft in best ball, you can start to think about who
which players are likely to be the biggest priority waiver wire
ads over the course of the season.
And Pierce All is at the very top of that list of a guy that
you could see if things break right.
People spending $400.00 in FFPC, $500 to get Pierce All so.
Absolutely. As a non running back like
that's that's not super common. So that's where I talk about the
floor of like, yes, it's probably in a lot of cases he
doesn't really do anything for you.
So in that sense the floor isn't that great.
But like he he is a good bet to be relevant over the course of
an entire season. And when we're trying to fill
our roster with, you know, non zeros taking shots on those
guys, we think like, man, this guy could be like the waiver
wire out of the season in an in a locked roster format is kind
of interesting. Yeah, I agree with all that on
pure Sol. I think, yeah, pick 150.
I think he's definitely a good pick.
I just say like, maybe pay attention to what type of wide
receiver room you have at that point.
I think there's certain builds where he makes a ton of sense.
If you already have a lot of solid, you know, veteran wide
receivers that project for a lot of routes, I think pure Sol is a
great addition. If you maybe have a rookie heavy
wide receiver start, maybe you have some more like question
mark guys like Jamieson Williams, stuff like that.
You need more stability. You might want to look
elsewhere, but again, yeah, pick 150.
It it seems like the price is certainly right there for
Beersall. Let's talk here.
Calvin Ridley. He I I don't want to attribute
too much of his fall to news. I think this is sort of just
like a market trend overall. You see Christian Kirk also on
this list, Terry Mclaurin also on this list, kind of the mid
range wide receivers across the board are moving down a couple
spots as probably more casual running back heavy drafters get
on the platform. I did want to have a little bit
of a Ridley discussion here. I know like kind of the
consensus amongst our bubble is that we're out on Ridley.
Start with you, Kyle. Like, is there a point, you
know, he's only fallen two spots here, but is there a point maybe
in the 60s or 70s where you're more interested in him or what's
your overall stance on on how to play this fall for Ridley?
Like you said, the fall isn't enough.
It's a few spots and like, I just think DeAndre Hopkins like
a meaningfully better pick because I think he's a
meaningfully better player. Hopkins was really good last
year. And Ridley, maybe you want to
say it was scheme. Maybe you want to say it was the
having not played football in a very long time.
But that also means he hasn't been like meaningfully good in a
long time. He wasn't terrible last year,
but he looked like a team's, like he should be a team's
distant #2 receiver. Like he did not look like he's
capable of being a team's number one.
DeAndre Hopkins looked like a certified stud #1 on a really
bad team. So to me, he's I, I doubt he
falls to a place where I ever think like I'm going to be
drafting even 8% of him. You know, if he falls 6 spots,
the amount of him I have will go up.
But he's so far from where I think he is a meaningfully good
pick, or at least a meaningfully average pick that it, it's going
to be real tough for me. And he's just going to almost
certainly be a player I leave the summer with as a fade.
Yeah, I generally agree that Ridley is a fade.
I did want to dive in a little bit to the Ridley versus Hopkins
discussion because I think a lot of it comes down to you look at
Ridley versus Hopkins stats last year and Hopkins targets for
Outrun was a lot higher. I do just want to point out that
these are the guys that were on the field when DeAndre Hopkins
is running routes. It was Chega Conquo, Nick
Westbrook, a Keen, Treylin Burks, Chris Moore, like all
these other wide receivers were sub 14% targets for route run
guys. And again, this is a little bit
circular. Like you could argue that's
because DeAndre Hopkins is so good, or you could argue it's
because those guys are so bad. But I think it's pretty
undeniable. Calvin Ridley still at 20%
targets were out around like, I think that's pretty solid, but
he did have much stiffer competition in Evan Ingram,
Christian Kirk, Zay Jones and like those guys are world
beaters, but they're certainly just like way, way better wide
receivers than what Hopkins had to deal with.
So again, I, I think like I, I think Ridley and Hopkins should
be priced like side by side and they're not.
So I do agree with you guys that Hopkins is the better pick at
ADP. I'm just not entirely sold that
the book is shot that Hopkins is a better wide receiver than
Ridley. Also, last year, like Ridley was
asked to line up on the outside on the line of scrimmage, like
for much higher percentage of his routes than even Hopkins
was. So the offense was not like
schemed around him in a friendly way.
And and maybe it is this year in Tennessee, but yeah, I just want
to show that side of things. And I think that the targets
were outrun stuff on these guys last year is like a little bit
misleading when you just look at the the raw numbers I.
Mean it makes sense. I just, I think Ridley is
overpriced, although I did, I did actually get him on a team
the other day, open up a slow draft and he was still there at
like pick 73 or whatever. So he finally was where I had
him ranked and I was like, sure, whatever.
I'll I'll, I'll take you. But to me he should be going
after Hopkins and a Doonese and he doesn't.
So I'll that. After, like, Deonte Johnson,
Yeah, you know. No, this might seem crazy but I
actually have more optimism that Levis is him than I do Bryce
Young. I think Bryce Young's him
percentages are like sub .05%. I think Lev I mean we we did
this on the show last week. Like the Bortle season from
Levis is so tantalizing that I I find myself selling it like I
just am. Like man, really might happen.
Yeah, or even like a Trubisky season, like a but like a fun,
fun bus season I'm with. Fun bus season.
I think Levis has fun bus seasons in in him for sure.
Bryce does not. Bryce probably doesn't, but I
think he has, you know, feeds a number one season seasons in him
and you know, like, could he be like could Bryce kind of be like
an Andy Dalton type where he just get starting to get the
ball out? I think he could probably could
do that. It's not going to be that fun
for Bryce, but it could be really good for Deonte.
I'm starting to come around on Deonte as the coach speaks been
really, really bullish on, you know, him being the number one
guy, which was I wasn't 100% sold on when they brought him
in. Like is he going to get fed
targets the way he's always been fed targets in Pittsburgh?
And it seems like the answer is yes there.
So Ridley, to me, like Sam, I think your argument on Hopkins
is convincing. As far as the targets per outrun
goes, I still like him a lot because the routes are going to
go up so much. So you get a drop in targets per
outrun. We get a lot more routes.
We know he can produce with this quarterback, which is nice given
that the quarterback is not very good.
We're hoping, we're like literally saying I hope he's
Mitch Travisky. So that's obviously not that
great, but but Ridley's the guy like he's going like, I don't
know is does this is this target competition that much weaker?
Hopkins can earn targets clearly.
And Tyler Boyd is, I don't know, like is he an Evan Ingram level
target earner as a wide receiver?
I mean, if Boyd had, Boyd had tight end eligibility, if Boyd
had tight end eligibility, we'd just be.
Interested. No, no, wrong.
And you would be. You would be slamming the button
on Tyler Boyd's projection. There we go.
I mean.
Evan Ingram had 114 receptions last year.
What did Tyler Boyd have like 50?
50 receptions, let me tell you. In yards per out run behind just
ahead of Elijah Moore, Nick Westbrook, a teenage but.
Where would he be at? Where would he be at amongst
tight ends in yards per out run? Probably that's still bad.
Sure. The other thing for Ridley that
again, like I'm just calibrating to how I hear people in like our
bubble talk about him where it seems like Ridley's the worst
pick on the board. The other like sort of positive
thing for him is that I think the Titans are one of the teams
that's going to have the biggest increases in rate of pre snap
motion from last year to this year.
Like Rabel's offenses were not running any pre snap motion to
bring over Brian Callahan from Cincinnati.
It's actually really interesting.
If you look at the Jake Browning offense compared to the Joe
Burrow offense, there was a huge increase in rates of motion and
they basically schemed like Jake Browning to be a top ten
quarterback by EPA for play. People.
Forget Danny Carter doesn't
forget. Yeah, Danny.
Carter does not. Forget and I think that was like
fully scheme, but I think we have to give Callahan like a lot
of credit for that and the way he's talked the way he's talked
about Ridley now this these are Callahan's words.
You're looking at a very similar role that Tamar chase played in
terms of Ridleys ability to move around the formation, use them
in motion. I think people took that quote
and railed on it 'cause they're like Ridley in the.
Show, I think they took that quote and ran with it.
I mean, that's the only reason to be drafting him where he's
going. Exactly, but I don't think it's
like, again, I think this this pre snap motion stuff is is
fairly important. And the fact that the head
coach, again, that was very successful and using pre snap
motion in Cincinnati is talking about Ridley like that.
I do think they have a vision for him and scheming up touches,
not using him the way he was used in Jacksonville where he's
just lined up X wide receiver. Go beat your man deep.
Like that's how Ridley was used last year.
I think it's just going to be way different.
So using last year's stats is just like, not quite the right
way to look at Ridley this year in my opinion.
I mean O OK but like if you're using last year's stats like he
should be like a 9th or 10th round pick.
Yeah, well use his 2022 stats. Is there anything we could?
Oh no, he didn't play football like we well, 20/21.
He hardly played football then. Again though, like was it last
year he had what, like five or six games of 20 plus PPR points?
Like he was a good spike week player.
He led the league in yardage on defensive pass interference.
You know that. He obviously doesn't.
I get credit for statistically like I don't know, I'm just, I
don't really buy the argument that he was that bad last year.
Rachel says Judy is a better pick than Ridley.
Like that's on it. Like if we're just looking at,
if we're not baking in optimism around, you know, he's in a he's
in the Jamar Chase role and he's actually still really good from
2020 stats and all this stuff. Like that's where we're talking
about him. You know, I think to me, we're
paying a pretty big premium on the optimism.
If we just look at like the profile, what he's done when he
did it and what he's done recently, he really should be
going around Judy. Now.
I'm not saying like we shouldn't bake in any of the optimism, but
it to me it seems more than priced in, like way more than
priced in. Yeah, I mean, the guys who beat
him in yards per outrun, I get like he was competing with
meaningfully better target competition.
Like that was a a pretty good team in terms like the depth of
guys. But it's like Adam Thielen,
Tyler Lockett, Jerry Judy, Courtland Sutton, favorite of
the show, T Higgins, DeMarcus Robinson, like he's in a list of
just total. They're not bad.
Like I don't think those guys are bad at football, but they're
like true number two and three receivers.
And now his quarterback, the median outcome for his
quarterback, 'cause he's like really bad second round pick.
You look bad. Right.
Yeah, but but I just think like the yards for route one was
Ridley like he had to be top seven in the NFL and routes last
year. So like you're kind of a little
bit counting a volume set against him.
And again, just like games of more than 20 PPO points last
year at a game of 24 of 21 of 31202623.
Like I would guess there's only five other wide receivers in the
league last year that had 6 plus games of, you know, over 20 PPR
points a game. So at some point I'm just like a
little bit skeptical of like counting the yards for route
route against him. Like you add in the defensive
pass, interference yardage and. I think we might have looked
back forward into how we're wrong about Ridley, which is
that he just literally runs about 97% of the routes he run.
Like because because Nick Westbrook, Akane and and all
these other guys are like literally so brutal.
So they just they throw the ball 577 times and Ridley generates,
I don't know, you know, 187 targets on those throws or
something like it's just, it's just insane.
I was. Like we just said that last
year, we're penalizing him because he ran so many routes.
That's why he wasn't efficient. But now what if he ran a lot of
routes? Hear me out well.
If you could just duplicate. Like yeah, I'm just saying like
results based last year, like Calvin Ridley was a better asset
to your team than like Jalen Waddle just in terms of like
percentage of times he he hits 20 plus points in your roster
and like. That's an Infowars ass, yeah.
I know, but like, yeah. You're shocked you didn't have
that chart already made. Just clicked the real the real
miss one. The, the, the thing I will say
about Ridley is like, I don't in an environment where like if we
were to get a, a hit on a wide receiver in the sixth round or
the fifth round, it would be very valuable because they're
hard to find. I think, you know, like all
these guys are probably a little overpriced.
Ridley, I think is very overpriced, but it's not like he
can't do it. And if he does it, it's going to
have a big impact on your teams. So it makes me nervous to be
this far out on Ridley. Like I can see him burning me,
but it's still just really difficult for me to click on
this guy where I'm like the like the type of arguments you're
making, Sam, are like the types of things we normally reserve
for double digit round picks for at least and sometimes for like
last round picks. Like, you know, this is like,
hey, this guy might have a little juice left.
Like don't give up on him completely.
Like this is an expensive player for us to be talking about
adding back in defensive pass interference yardage.
Like I don't really want to hear about that in round 5.
I mean tell me the 18th round picks that had 6 plus games of
20 PPR? I'm just saying I don't like
you're talking about DPI yardage in round five.
Like that is a lot. That is a lot to pay.
I'll admit the DPI yardage I probably shouldn't that that
looks bad in. Retrospect.
That's you. That's you doing a bit.
But I mean, yeah, I don't know, man.
Again, like, this is just classic me playing devil's
advocate. I definitely have a fate on
Ridley, but I I decided to push back like he's talked about a
little bit too disparagingly. I don't, I mean, I think the
reason you're hearing the disparaging is because we're, I
feel like, you know, I don't know who the Ridley drafters
are, but they are a stubborn bunch.
They. They are all in this chat room.
They are all in. They are in the chat of ADP, JC.
They are. They are adamant, Yeah, adamant
that right. So you're hearing about it, but
it's not moving the market at all.
Like his price has stayed consistent.
So you're hearing from people who don't like the Ridley price
because it's generally people do podcasts, but the people who
don't do podcasts are like, you guys are wrong, I'm drafting
Ridley. Yeah, but I have to, I have to
speak for the silent majority, you know.
I guess well they they are wrong.
Is this how it feel? Is this how it felt when I was
like we should move Brandon Cooks from 20 spots below EDP to
816, except now I get to be on the other side of the window?
You could feel way better to be over here, to be honest.
My main point is just like sometimes you go too far with
the the yards for route run stuff.
And just like again, it, it's a dumb point.
I mean Davis. All the call is coming from
inside. I was the first guy to invent
looking at box scores. Just just go check out some of
the box scores. No one thought to do this before
Sam. Yeah, no one, no one's looked
into box scores before me there. There's some good box scores in
there. Yeah, that's definitely not
moving the price. That's, you know, it's no, I
guess what I'm saying only the Sharps saying is like it better
be true because he's going to the fifth round.
The fifth round, yeah. It's baked in.
I have, I just checked, I have 3% Ridley right now.
So but I'm guessing you guys have like literally 0?
I have. I have literally zero, yeah.
Yeah, OK. I don't think which I.
Which I can see burning me pretty bad so.
I'm Will. I'm willing to take the four.
Percent of those. I think Sam's probably right.
We should have exposure blankets, but it's hard to.
Instead of any Ridley, I just have another Chiefs wide
receiver. And so if I just have another
Chiefs wide receiver, then I'm not going to lose.
You're you're coming. You're coming to war with Will
Levis, wide receiver Two, I have Rashi Rice.
Guess what? I'm going to win.
Honestly, like I I listen to chip chasing and I laugh at
Davis''s theory of just draft the same team 12 times or draft
the same 12 teams. But with this one, like, I
actually don't feel like that Will Levis's wide receiver two
can really destroy me at this cost.
Like I'm fine, I'm not. What about it's wide receiver
one? Yeah, we.
I'm sure the the coach that. Made well, I take his wide
receiver one I select his wide receiver.
One, I'm saying if we're wrong, like how bad can it get?
Because I do have 0%, I have $22.00 of Ridley through like
717 drafts. So that's.
A weird That's such a weird dollar.
Now how do you even get to? 20 I don't know.
I don't know. That's there must have been a
$7.00 in there or something. What did I do?
Maybe, maybe three puppies and a seven dollar thing, I don't
know. I can't believe I didn't have
this one ready either. That's what I thought.
Ridley versus Higgins, yeah. All right, guys, that'll do it
for today's show in terms of Riders and fallers, let's before
we close out, let's do the closing line value game.
Kyle, I did not tell you to prepare this, but do you have
something prepared here for the largest closing line value riser
by the end of draft season? If you don't, it's fine.
Yeah, I'll go. I thought about this a little
bit. I'll go with Kyle Pitts.
I think maybe this was I was like looking and I was like, oh,
Don Kincaid clear faller. But I do think this is
environment where people who do podcasts are saying elite tight
ends, elite tight ends, and then we're getting the Kyle Pitts
erase the last two years narrative.
He's just clearly a better pick than Dalton Kincaid.
And he seems like a guy who once he goes out and we're like, oh,
he can turn. Which direction can't you turn?
Can you not turn left or right the first time we see this guy
turn whatever direction he's not allowed to turn for the last
year because some ligament his knee was busted.
Like seems like a clear riser based on the ceiling.
And that in this environment, all we want to do is be chasing
ceiling like all of the all of the dork strap in these
basketball teams. Like, how can I win $1.5
million? And the more we look at it like
it doesn't seem like a guy like Dalton Kincaid is the guy that
is going to win you that like we're getting all of the like,
you know, if this is a Fowler segment, boy, I'd have really
crushed with Dalton Kincaid. But I do think it will.
It's not quite a 0 sum game, but as he falls someone like Kyle
Pitts, who seems like the very obvious, like, well, if you
ignore the bad stuff, which we love to do, we're doing it with
Calvin Ridley to ignore the bad stuff.
There's a real fun ceiling like I.
Do love to ignore the bad stuff. Kyle Pitts is that kind of guy.
That makes sense. I like it.
He's already pretty high, but he's definitely.
I think he flips Kincaid. I think that's gonna happen.
So, and he was, yeah, he was close to producing Cadarius Tony
when they're at Florida together.
He didn't quite do it, but that definitely shows A level of
untapped upside that he definitely want a tight end.
That ruined my show. I will.
I've been. Waiting.
I've had that shot in the back. I'll run, just just look the
ball in and just smooth. That's going to crush you right
out of the park. That was a beautiful.
I will, I'll bum everyone out. No, you don't have to.
We just did that. It's fine.
Ezekiel Elliott. Oh man.
Jeez. Oh.
Man, Steven Jones. Steven Jones doing the radio
today. What does he say?
Royce Freeman killing it. You know, we'll see which one of
Rico Dowdle or Malik Davis makes the team.
Come on man. See which one of Rico Dowdle or
Malik Davis makes the team. But who said that?
Stephen Jones, the executive vice president of the Dallas
Cowboys. You're, you're stretching the
quote a little bit, but he said something kind of like that.
Can you give us the real quote please?
I will. I will give you Korean.
You think it's gonna make you feel better?
It's not. Well this is making me feel
better than what you just. Said how Executive Vice
President said on 1053 The Fan that better running back Rory
Freeman has really impressed. They were surprised he was
available when they signed him to a one year deal in April.
We were just talking about it last night at the scout dinner.
What in the hell was he doing out a round out there?
An interesting guy to just be sitting there.
He's a great 2-3 combination in terms of what he can do as a
backup. He's a big thick guy, plays
special teams as well. He'll be a good addition and
great compliment to Zeke. And then we'll let those young
guys between Rico Dowdell and Malik Davis and those other guys
battle it. That means that basically to
him, Malik Davis and Rico Dowdell and like Hunter Lupke
and these, these undrafted free agents are like all kind of
battling for like 2 spots It it, it's not good.
That didn't sound very good, you're right.
It did. I promise you the whole quote is
not any better than what I said originally.
It's really not. The IT does make you a little
less worried about P Ryan, but but maybe they already.
Got their P Ryan. It makes me a little bit less
worried about P Ryan. 100% yeah. No, man, that's.
A good one. All right.
Can I, can I make us not bummed out?
I'll take Chase Brown. Oh, sick.
I should. I should have done that.
Yeah, I waited for you. I I let you have them.
If you wanted them, you had to take Zeke Elliott.
Gross. Well, I mean.
Chase Brown, brother. Who's going to end up?
Who's going to be higher in a week?
Chase Brown. Zeke slappies.
Zeke slappies just need a a smidgen of daylight.
Unlike how Zeke runs, they just need a sliver.
All right, I'll also capitalize on today's news.
Not a pick I advocate for taking, but Alvin Kamara.
I think the casual drafters are going to log in and see Alvin
Kamara at pick 76 and say. That's a good take.
Say, what is this? I think, I think he's going to
get a lot more expensive. So yeah, not not a fun one, but
that's my guess. No, that's really not fun.
That is kind of peak on fun. Crane, why don't you just do
another 30 seconds on Chase Brown like we think maybe.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've we've had the rug
pool on a guy like Chase Brown. He's got.
No, that's not what I meant. I good.
A thin resume? Hang on a thin resume.
I was a little bit more bearish than the general consensus
because I feel like we've burned ourselves a bunch of times on
this exciting young back who's going to have a big role year.
Too. Probably they go out the 1-2
turn though. They go the 1-2 turn or they
don't have the role. It's so rare that it's like the
coaches are like, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
We love Chase Brown, we love our like starter.
Like we can't wait to get him out there.
Like what? Like in the one 20s, like you
guys felt this. Way no normally.
Normally it's literally the exact opposite.
They ask about the guy going in one 20s and the coach is like, I
fucking hate that guy, that guy. Just happened to me with Dowdle.
Like I was like, I've been hammering Dowdle in the one 20s
and then you're like, yeah, Dowdle, Malik Davis.
I don't know. They're all fucking same, but
they're both behind Royce Freeman, like, oh, right to the
like I'm bleeding out like that is so deadly.
I can't handle that. And then you get you're reviving
me with Chase Brown, where they're actually like, yeah,
he's like our starting running back.
You guys knew that, right? He was our starting running back
this whole time. It's it's it's just pure life.
It's just, it's bottled life. But I'm still happy, all right?
Better wrap things up, Kyle. Thanks again.
Tight show. Yeah, nice.
Tight show this. Was a nice that was a nice tight
90. Let me.
Tell you that. One, you nailed it.
Kyle, thanks again for joining us.
You guys are doing great stuff over at Rotoworld.
We've been really enjoying the podcast over there.
Yeah. Anything else you want to to
plug? Yeah, I tweet out all my stuff
on on Twitter, but I have probably by the time most people
listen to this training camp article coming out recapping the
the first week. So if you like what you got here
more of that Rotor World Football show.
Yeah, that about does it. Both Davis and and Crane have
been on the Rotor World football show.
So if you're seeking more ship chasing adjacent content there
in the the broader network. Yeah, that's, that's definitely
one of my go to weekly listings. Pat, what else do we have?
Come on up on leg up. Leg up we've got, I'm working on
an article on the running backs that I'm hoping to have about in
the next couple days. Running backs in like around 7
through 12 kind of range. Daniel Raz is also working on an
article we're hoping to have about later this week, kind of
also about how to attack the running backs in that in that
pocket. Kind of a key part of drafts
this this year. So that'll be fun.
And the Sidekick, we've got custom rankings we're going to
roll out as a beta in the next couple days.
So if you want to kind of experiment with custom ranks as
we make sure we have all that dialed in, we'll have news on
that very shortly. And also DraftKings is fairly
imminent. I think maybe maybe next week,
this week if everything just goes swimmingly in our in our
death process. So yeah, those are the big
updates that at leg up Best ball rankings updated daily.
Dynasty rankings updated weekly, legendaryupset.com.
Awesome and Davis, bunch of a bunch of streams coming up this
week. Yes, the The Badge Bros and Drew
Dinkmeyer are gonna be on tomorrow and I have not gotten
to Thursday yet, so that could just be a mystery.
I mean, literally, who knows? Could be, could be anyone, could
be. Anyone.
Could be, could be anyone, could the call could be coming from
inside the house, so I'll be on be on the lookout for that.
Awesome. And yeah, only thing I have to
plug, obviously ADP chasing. We'll be back next on Monday.
I'm trying to remember we have both Levitan and Rotopat coming
up the next couple weeks. I think it's Levitan next week,
Rotopat maybe the week after that.
So that should be a good show. And also I spent a lot of time
looking at the pre snap motion data from the past couple years.
I have an article up there on establish the run that dives
into that and dives into sort of the fantasy implications of pre
snap motion, which is really spreading rapidly across the
league, especially last year. So you can check that out if you
have the ETR draft kit, I believe.
But anyways, guys, thanks for joining us.
We will see you next week.