1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,440 Hello, everyone, and welcome to a special late July edition of 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,119 ADP Chasing. Sorry we're running late today. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,240 We've got special guest Kyle Dvorchak from Rotor World 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,840 joining us, and we're going to break down a bunch of training. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,880 Kiev news, Kendra Miller, is it over? 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,360 DJ Shark rising for some reason. And we'll find out which wide 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,400 receiver we're going to compare to T Higgins to today. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Let's do it. ADP chasing is for when you 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,680 watch ship chasing you go these guys are just football guys. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,880 And the targets for outrun leagues, that's going to be 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,680 really nice, actually. Back in, if it's Austinette, 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:35,920 it's. Stared to our crystal ball. 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,160 Close your eyes, you know all your entries are going to lose 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,240 anyway. Yeah, that's fair. 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,600 This is a Deuce vant show. It's. 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,440 Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,600 leader. I'm obviously lying to some 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,200 degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys. 19 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:59,040 It's the most disgusting thing you can make, but man, how are 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,040 we doing, fellas? I love coming on the show 21 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,840 because I only listen to it in podcast form so I don't get to 22 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,760 see the any of the video stuff. And truly, this is a visual art 23 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,960 form as I'm learning when I get to watch the intro. 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,960 Oh man, the intro's really good. It's. 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,480 A good. It's a good reminder. 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,840 It's too good. It's a good reminder to study 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,800 your listeners for us. Exactly. 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,160 Yeah. And I think we're the only 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,160 podcast that consistently talks about the intro to the podcast. 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:32,240 So I'm sure the audio listeners are really loving that one. 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,680 But yeah, we're not going to stop. 32 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,920 Constantly talking about how good our the opening bit is 33 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:39,720 always just man. It's a good intro to our 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:40,680 awesome. Man. 35 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:43,760 Is the YouTube, are YouTube views more valuable though? 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,040 Because like maybe this is just a good conversion metric to get 37 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,920 the audio listeners to come to the video listener. 38 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,360 I'd hope David you're nodding her head. 39 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,080 So I assume they're more like. You know, much like probably 10X 40 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,360 is valuable as an audio listener. 41 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,000 There you go, have a good one. Wow, a good little teaser. 42 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,960 Shade Crane, do you have the analytics on how many what what 43 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,080 the breakdown is of audio to to video listeners on the show I 44 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,360 never looked into. That I I don't. 45 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,520 I need to log into the the YouTube and. 46 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,720 I can. I'm really serving our audience 47 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,240 we have. More well, I can tell you, I can 48 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,840 tell you from I can tell you from my stuff that it's about 49 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,560 about 10% of the people listen to the stuff audio only from my 50 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,720 stuff compared to a YouTube stream. 51 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,200 So it's enough. It's enough that you know 52 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,760 they're still there. They're still there. 53 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,520 You got to service the. Audio, I think we're I think 54 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,880 we'd be much higher than that would be my gut on this because 55 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,120 you know, ship chasing did start as a true podcast. 56 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,800 Yeah, I I'm the same way. I listen to Ship Chasing as a 57 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,080 podcast. I forgot about ship chasing. 58 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:45,400 Yeah. No, I think I, I mean I was an 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,440 early ship chasing adopter, but I wasn't, I don't think I was 60 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,720 early enough that I started one was only podcast form. 61 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,720 I think I started as a video listener in ship chasing. 62 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,400 That makes sense. Yeah, 'cause I mean, we've been, 63 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,960 we've been kind of video primary since for for several years, 3-4 64 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,000 years, maybe more. Yeah. 65 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Well anyways to service audio listeners, little preview of 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,200 today's show obviously we have with Kyle joining. 67 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,760 He does great work at Rotoworld and helps Pat out over at Leg Up 68 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,080 with the rankings and that sort of thing. 69 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,240 So excited to get his perspective today. 70 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,200 We're going to be just doing a classic risers and fallers ADP 71 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,840 chasing show. Nothing special today. 72 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,640 So we'll start here diving in to the risers. 73 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:33,840 And before we even talk about the players, you know, getting 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,760 back to always talking about our intro, it's funny when you look 75 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,720 at the intro and you see like the percent change in AD PS, 76 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,760 there's like, you know, from the, the preseason stuff, it's 77 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,680 always like -50% change in ADP, like plus 60%. 78 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,200 Like there's that on the graphics. 79 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,880 We're getting to still like a pretty stable point in the ADP 80 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,080 movement where like none of these are, are massive 81 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,800 movements. So wanted to start off with 82 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,520 that. These are all like relatively 83 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,360 minor movements still in ADP. But the first news here, Patrick 84 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,880 Mahomes up a couple spots. I don't have an exact reason for 85 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,200 the news behind this. Davis to get inside the head of 86 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,560 a Chiefs rafter. What's, what's the what's the 87 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,240 rationale here for Mahomes? I, I actually think, I think 88 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,560 it's a couple different things. I mean, the 1st is is chiefs 89 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,200 training camp is starting and and the highlights are all him 90 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,240 throwing the ball like Mahomes rolling left off his wrong foot, 91 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:31,280 launching at 70 yards over an outstretched defender to, you 92 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:32,840 know, your favorite wide receiver. 93 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,040 There's been a good Hollywood 1. There's been a good worthy one. 94 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,400 There's been a good Rice one. There's been a good Kelsey one 95 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,680 for all of them. I also think it's you get in 96 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,480 that range and you're like, there's been a macro trend has 97 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,840 been a little bit of push back to the insane rise of the wide 98 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:49,720 receivers. We'll see that as we go through. 99 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,280 They're good wide receivers who are falling. 100 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,320 So instead of taking Christian Kirk, instead of taking Amari 101 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,480 Cooper, you're like, why don't I just take the quarterback who's 102 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,120 going to throw for 5000 yards? That that seems fun. 103 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,960 But I, I think it's correlated to the Rashi Rice rise as well. 104 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,440 I think, I think those are kind of the the inputs there. 105 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,120 Yeah, that makes sense. And I've been kind of on board 106 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,000 generally with that strategy of like once you get, you know, 107 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,400 once Tank Dell is off the board, maybe once Stefan Diggs is off 108 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,120 the board and you're in that Kirk Amari range of wide 109 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,600 receivers, I've been pretty pro like grabbing the elite 110 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,040 quarterback, grabbing the Jalen Hurts, the Patrick Mahomes, 111 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,360 those guys. I think the opportunity cost 112 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,280 there is not as bad. But yeah, curious, Kyle, your 113 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:34,640 take. What has been your approach to 114 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,000 Mahomes and maybe the cluster of elite quarterbacks that kind of 115 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,880 go around that, you know, fifth round, fourth round range there 116 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,520 on underdog? Yeah, I was going to say, oh, I 117 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,480 still draft a lot of the wide receivers in that range, which 118 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,960 is true. But I was like, I also do draft 119 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,040 the running backs or I do draft the quarterbacks. 120 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,920 And then it was because I couldn't name you what running 121 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,920 backs go there. I have diverted like 100% of 122 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,760 what would be like a normally distributed. 123 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,120 I just take players at ADP, my running back potentially 124 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,960 drafting, moving it to both wide receiver and two quarterbacks 125 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,600 specifically like the Lamar type of stack where you can get that. 126 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,240 The same with the Josh Allen stack that the tight end plus 127 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,800 quarterback stacks that go right around that range. 128 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,040 So to me, I I still think the wide receivers are fine picks. 129 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,880 I do think you start to like lose some real fun upside once 130 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,480 like tank Dell basically is off the board. 131 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,400 I think that's the the right. That's exactly. 132 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,480 Yeah, that's the kind of the the cut off, Yeah, but. 133 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,240 Kirk is actually like that's maybe not troops like, you know, 134 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Pickens is young, really talented and going to have like 135 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,360 a 45% air yard share. You have to squint to see it 136 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,640 because like Jesus Christ, I don't want to draft Arthur Smith 137 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,120 players, but like he seems young and good at football and those 138 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,640 guys tend to have a lot of upside. 139 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,640 But I I do agree that in general, like the grouping of 140 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,160 those guys is Amari Cooper. Lock him in for never more than 141 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,320 1200, but like never less than 1000. 142 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,320 It's probably true again this year. 143 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,560 Like I'm out on the idea that Deshaun Watson can never be what 144 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,160 he was again, but he can probably still be good enough to 145 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,440 make Amari Cooper, who's extremely talented, a 1200 yard 146 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,040 receiver. You know, Christian Kirk, he's 147 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,600 good. He's pretty good at football, 148 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,040 but he's probably not ever going to. 149 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,640 I mean 100% is never going to be great. 150 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,360 So even though the upside is gone, the way receivers are 151 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,760 drafted, the floor is also gone in like 2 more rounds where 152 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,120 you're like, oh. Yeah, but that two more rounds 153 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,720 thing is kind of the important part of it where I think Mahomes 154 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,760 is very defensible in the fourth with Kelsey in the third because 155 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,960 it and I think you want to start receiver, receiver, but then you 156 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:34,160 go Kelsey Mahomes and you have the 5th and 6th to now you're 157 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,600 not going to get the 7th right? You're you're the 7th is maybe 158 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,480 you can get Jameson. Keon used to fall there. 159 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,160 I don't think that's going to keep happening. 160 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,400 He's had some positive buzz. So you're like you're kind of to 161 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,640 Sutton or whatever. And that's to me a clear tier 162 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,640 break. So you have to go. 163 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,080 It kind of only works as receiver, receiver, Kelsey 164 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,160 Mahomes, receiver, receiver. Hopefully one of those next two 165 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,040 receivers is a Chief, but I think that. 166 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Works. Let me tell you that works. 167 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,600 Let me tell you, if you draft that team 900 times, you're 168 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,120 going to find a winner in there somewhere. 169 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,520 At least that's my, you know, that's my operational. 170 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Thesis There's a lot of things we won't know for sure this 171 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:17,440 season, but that's one of them we will know that will have been 172 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,760 fully explored that part of the game. 173 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,680 Tree, if that part of the game tree is what you need. 174 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,320 I am extremely well positioned in the slow puppy. 175 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,480 Like really couldn't be, really couldn't be better positioned 176 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,040 slow puppy if that's what you need to. 177 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,520 Win, yeah, but I mean, I, I think because Mahomes has been 178 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,159 it's been a struggle for me. I was like, look, and I was 179 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,440 like, I think I'd like 3% Mahomes or something in all my 180 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,039 drafts. Now I'm higher in basketball 181 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:43,679 mania because I've made a I've made getting some of him a 182 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,840 priority. But even then I was below market 183 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,040 and I was like, I don't like this. 184 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,680 It's a good price on Mahomes even in the 4th. 185 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,160 It's totally fine. I'm expecting them to bounce 186 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,560 back to really lean into the past a lot more than it did last 187 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:57,720 year. So I am. 188 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,760 I did last night. I did one where I went Kelsey. 189 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:05,320 Now I got sniped on both Worthy and Rice coming back which is 190 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,200 annoying and I think actually Rice who'd. 191 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,560 You take who'd you take in in Round 18? 192 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,040 The people need to know who was your Round 18 shitter on the 193 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,560 Kansas City. Chief and Eric Prince. 194 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,840 Over instead of Tony. Oh, yeah. 195 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,760 Over, over Tony. Yeah. 196 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,520 I thought I thought we were to get the 1st. 197 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,400 Odd. Oh the hell no, it wouldn't have 198 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,800 taken there. Let's see, I might have even 199 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,760 done 17th rounds. Generic Prince. 200 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Let's see. Let me see if I can. 201 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,200 Have you guys heard of this Nick Remigio guy? 202 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,160 What's they like? No, So I I have been sadly 203 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,760 trying to learn Nico Remigio. I I think this is a real Justin 204 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,440 Watson ass player. Like not not gonna be a guy who 205 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,640 is Yeah, OK, he could he could make the roster. 206 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,520 I do. I do want. 207 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,720 To it was eighteenth round, but I did, I did grab Prince on 208 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,080 that. I'm just worried that, like with 209 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,000 the Tony thing, what I'm worried about is like his tryout at 210 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,600 running back is like the last thing you see before you get 211 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,000 cut. And I'm stealing stealing that 212 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,440 joke a little bit from. What percent is that? 213 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,200 But. That was 3%. 214 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,240 Cadarius, Tony. It's way too high. 215 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,160 That's so. Much so that tells you that 216 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,160 tells you that that 3% of the time I've gotten there with the 217 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,040 Mahomes team at the end, without with without having Rashi, 218 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Worthy, Brown, Pacheco or Kelsey and then like. 219 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,760 But I had Kelsey, so I was good. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, OK. 220 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,080 Then I was fine, but I added Prince as a as an additional bet 221 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,800 and I think Prince is kind of interesting right now, so. 222 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,120 Yeah, Prince I think is a is a really good round eighteen guy 223 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,760 right now. Like, I mean, I think the death 224 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,680 of Ceh little overstated, you know, the the idea of like he's 225 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,160 like he's going to make the team. 226 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,040 He's just going to be kind of your your very boring. 227 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Yeah, that's The thing is there's no one could possibly 228 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,240 get excited about Claudette Richelayer at this stage, 229 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,240 including the Chiefs themselves. You think the death of possibly 230 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,720 the worst running back in the league has been overstated? 231 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:01,960 Let's let's table we'll. Get to CEH. 232 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,160 We'll get to CEH in the fall or stuff. 233 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,400 We'll we'll have that full today. 234 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,440 Let's table that for a second. I'm curious, going back to 235 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,920 Mahomes, like what do we think the odds are that Mahomes can 236 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:17,120 get back to the 5000 yard 45 plus TD seasons that we saw a 237 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,600 couple times early in his career because he was like very far 238 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,160 away from that last year? Curious, Kyle, like, do you 239 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,880 think this wide receiver upgrade that we got in the offseason is 240 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,920 good enough that Mahomes should be, like, considered, I don't 241 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,800 know, a favorite or a decent odds bet to make it back to that 242 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,600 type of ceiling? Yeah. 243 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,640 I mean, I guess like if you're, if the question is the over 244 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,600 under is set at 5000 yards and like what odds am I taking the 245 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,040 under? Like I'd probably confidently 246 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,280 take the under, but that's because that's a crazy high 247 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,880 number. What are his odds relative to? 248 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,680 I mean, I mean he has to have the highest odds of like anyone 249 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:54,880 in the league to hit 5000, right? 250 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,040 Like given that guys like. I got to correct Sam here real 251 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,600 quick. Just he he said earlier in his 252 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,760 career, like Mahone said, 2022 did not throw up for 5300 yards 253 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,800 and 41 touchdowns and went MVP. Literally 2. 254 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Seasons ago, I was thinking of his 2018 because I think that 255 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,520 was the touchdown peak. But yeah, you're right. 256 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,880 He got he got to 5150 his first year as a starter. 257 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,720 So yeah, that those are like the retro like Drew Brees, Tom 258 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,200 Brady, Peyton Manning type numbers and like, I don't know, 259 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,160 you're right. It hasn't been that long since 260 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,160 Mahomes basically did that in 2022. 261 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,000 But it almost feels like because no one really got close to that 262 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,720 last year, in my head, I'm like, oh, it's, it's so hard to do 263 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,600 that, but I don't know. What this is another thing I 264 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,640 wanted, I've been wanting to talk about on the show. 265 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,640 Gretsch talked about this on his when he went on the athletic 266 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,000 show, but like the idea that all of these incredibly talented 267 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,680 quarterbacks are just going to be happy to dink and fucking 268 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:53,760 dunk all over the field. Like, so they've been talking 269 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,240 about this with Burrough. Obviously we saw this happen 270 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,320 with Josh Allen last year. We super saw it with the Chiefs. 271 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,040 I, I really wonder like, does the NFL want this? 272 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,040 Like it just like another year of this just seems so 273 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,000 depressing. Is there anything we can do? 274 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,920 Like could Joe Biden sign an executive order or something? 275 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,000 Like do you think these teams are? 276 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,720 I think the Chiefs are clearly not planning on playing that 277 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,960 way. No, I don't think so either. 278 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,920 Yeah, agree. But I'm I'm wondering the 279 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,240 corresponding thing with the Bengals and, and the Bills 280 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,720 specifically, like do you guys, I kind of get the sense that 281 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,320 these quarterbacks are sick of playing that way too, but that 282 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,400 might be. Well, I also think that my my 283 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,600 feeling on this stuff, even it's kind of the height of the too 284 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:39,000 high, you know, apocalypse, apocalypse. 285 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,520 Apocalypse. Yeah, which was really more like 286 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,800 the end of the 2022 season. I feel like it's when we have 287 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,600 the true too high apocalypse, we're kind of coming out of it a 288 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,920 little bit. And I my feeling is that the 289 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,080 offense always has the advantage because they dictate what's 290 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,880 going to happen and the defense has to react. 291 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,720 Now, the defense got really good at reacting to a specific type 292 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,280 of thing that was, that was happening very successfully for 293 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,840 years. But like some of this, you know, 294 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,280 like the cheap motion isn't like that's a tactic. 295 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,880 It's not like, you know, going to solve everything. 296 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,920 But I think it's like an example of like, Oh yeah, they're going 297 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,000 to come up with stuff that keeps, you know, they're the 298 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,280 wrinkles aren't going to stop. And like, what's Andy Reid going 299 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,160 to do? Like what's Xavier worthy cheat 300 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,160 motion going to look like in an Andy Reid offense? 301 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Is that going to help unlock explosive plays? 302 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,600 You know, like the offense is always going to be looking to 303 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,440 unlock explosive plays in a lot of creative ways. 304 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,760 We don't know what those ways are, but I'm I'm going to count 305 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,000 on Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay to come up with new 306 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:46,240 ways year over year. And I know that there's gonna be 307 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,640 like down swings when the defense kind of has the upper 308 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,880 hand, but I don't. I just think like the nature of 309 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,960 what's happening where one side is scheming up stuff and the 310 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,320 other side is then scheming up the way to stop, that will give 311 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,640 the offense kind of advantages at various points of that cycle. 312 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Yeah, I mean, I think that's like undeniably true about about 313 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,640 the progress of football as a whole is that it's not a 314 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,960 perfectly linear trend. But like you look at the way 315 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,520 that point scoring is gone and the trend is upward, even if 316 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,560 there is always going to be these like little local minimas 317 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,320 where defenses make good adjustments and they can truly 318 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,880 find an advantage that they didn't have over offenses. 319 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,120 But those can only last so long given the structure of football 320 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,320 as a competitive game. I. 321 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Think that's a good, I think that's a good point. 322 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,800 I mean, last year just felt so horrible because like the bills 323 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,960 were getting terrible results. Joe Burrow got injured, Mahomes 324 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,840 was not playing well. Lamar kept getting, you know, 325 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,360 the Ravens were so good. The Ravens definitely belong in 326 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,640 this discussion, but we don't talk about them that way because 327 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,800 their defense has been so good. Well, they've had Lamar for for 328 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,920 most of it. I'm wondering if that doesn't 329 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,160 happen this year. I'm wondering if very sneaky. 330 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,960 The Cardinals are part of this as well. 331 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Like that. I I've been, you know, for 332 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,440 obvious reasons, tracking Cardinals camp very close and 333 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,840 they everyone around the team seems like insanely hyped about 334 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,440 the offense. Like the offense seems to be 335 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,120 clicking on all cylinders very early for the Cardinals. 336 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,120 So I, I'm hoping that we get out of these local minimums and that 337 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,840 we, we find, you know, like and I feel part. 338 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Of it might just be optimism for me like that. 339 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,120 I want to kind of, you know, be optimistic about offense, but at 340 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,120 the same time, like some of what we talk about is like a good 341 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,320 offensive season versus a bad offensive season. 342 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,960 Like the Chiefs, you know, not having any receivers leaning on 343 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,800 the run down the stretch. Travis Kelsey not being 100% and 344 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,240 they're saving him for the playoffs. 345 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,040 Like that. Just that alone, like the Chiefs 346 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,080 not being the Chiefs, kind of has an impact on our perception 347 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,320 of things. It does. 348 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,480 The fact that Mark Isvald is scantling like might not be 349 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:55,000 ahead of Tyrell Shavers now on the Bills gives you a sense of 350 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,000 how bad things really were for the Chiefs last year. 351 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,120 I mean the the three wide receivers who led them in snaps 352 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,960 last year outside of Roshi Rice are like on the like might not 353 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,480 make the roster like like Sky Moore might not make the roster. 354 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,480 Harbin might not make the Ross. On a rookie deal, like guys 355 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,359 might get cut on rookie deals. It's so bad. 356 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,240 It's so bad. Yeah, it it really it. 357 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:18,240 Really, I, I agree. I think like, you know, 358 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,079 individually you can definitely poke holes and and where the 359 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,640 Marquis brown, even Roshi rice, you can you can poke holes in 360 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,880 all of them. Like none of them I expect to 361 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,880 be, you know, top twelve NFL talents, but it's just 362 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,920 undeniable that their massive upgrades. 363 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,160 But but in. The end last year, yeah. 364 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,440 And if one of them hits big, I mean, that's all you need. 365 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,240 Plus plus Kelsey was so banged up last year. 366 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,240 So yeah, I think it's going to be hard for Mahomes to be as bad 367 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,760 as he was last year. It's not like he was terrible 368 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,360 last year. It's just that the weapons were 369 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:51,080 really like, I don't know, there's not a starting NFL team 370 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,120 that has really worst weapons of what Mahomes had last year 371 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:57,160 besides maybe the Patriots or the Chargers this year. 372 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,520 Like it was, it was really, truly awful. 373 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,120 And he won a Super Bowl. And he won a Super Bowl. 374 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,520 Like. That's the other. 375 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,880 Part of this is that he's still Mahomes. 376 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,360 Like they did not go away from Mahomes. 377 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:14,520 They went away from Cadarius Tony playing volleyball and, you 378 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,880 know, batting the ball to the the opponents. 379 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,360 Like it's it's it's pretty clear. 380 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:23,760 Like why last year played out the way it did and they kind of 381 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,640 ran bad on some stuff too. Like Tony is athletic and can 382 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,080 get separation. Unfortunately he's not a good 383 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,800 receiver, but like they they bet that he was. 384 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,760 It didn't work out like. Did you, Corinne, did you read 385 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,520 the article that they, there was a, a Tony kind of feature this 386 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,920 week and there was an anecdote about them. 387 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,040 I don't remember which game it was the one that he blew. 388 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,640 Yeah, it doesn't really narrow it down. 389 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,080 It was the IT was the Chargers game that he blew, I believe. 390 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,760 But there was an anecdote about how Mahomes in the huddle is 391 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,240 telling everyone. Yeah. 392 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,440 Oh, I saw. This like all you got to do. 393 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,040 And then Tony gives it to the defense and there's the clip of 394 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,680 him on the sideline going, I just fucking said it. 395 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:10,880 I mean, really incredible stuff. Yeah, really incredible stuff 396 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:12,960 from K Tony. I don't know that I've ever seen 397 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,960 Mahomes that angry. He's he's pretty like level 398 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:16,760 headed. He's pretty, Yeah. 399 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,200 He is pretty, yeah. I don't know. 400 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,800 It's so I'm hoping for we that's, that's your your weekly 401 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,720 schedule cheese stock. I mean, we don't have to do much 402 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,280 more than that. We all, I think we all know 403 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,920 where where we're at there. How How hyped are you on generic 404 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:29,760 prints? Can we get that? 405 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:31,800 Let's let's save that. We have CHA. 406 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:32,560 We're gonna. Save it. 407 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:33,160 Let's. Save. 408 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,400 It let's save it yeah yeah. So second biggest Roger here. 409 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,520 Audrick estimate up 12 spots. This is kind of like a lag from 410 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,040 last week's news. He's back healthy, practicing in 411 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,400 camp. The Javonte news cycle has kind 412 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,360 of been up and down. Javonte is going to be a riser 413 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:55,160 when we do this next week. I'm sure he probably will, but 414 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,680 yeah, I don't know. I've said my my two cents on 415 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,800 this situation. I'm curious, Kyle, how you've 416 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,680 been playing, starting with estimate. 417 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,720 Do you think he's? At Target in the one 90s you 418 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,520 think it's too fragile of a pick. 419 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,720 You know, as a fifth round rookie that hasn't proven much. 420 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,640 Curious how you're approaching that situation. 421 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,480 Yeah, I've been mostly hammering Devante. 422 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,440 He seems absurdly cheap for the likely role he has and then we 423 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,320 get the positive comments from Sean Payton, the report of him 424 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,600 and P Ryan fighting for roster spot all I mean, I shouldn't 425 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,240 even call it a report. That's not sort of a fair with 426 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:33,480 the speculation is really what it was seemed not entirely 427 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,400 improbable, but pretty improbable. 428 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,000 And it seems to be that that's the case. 429 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,760 I think the beat writers of all kind of been circling the drain 430 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,080 on like it does make sense to them to cut P Ryan. 431 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,240 It's not that it's a guarantee, but it does seem at this point I 432 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,080 would say it is more like. Wagons. 433 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,400 I think they were circling the wagons there. 434 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,880 Well, I certainly, I think that. P Ryan's time in the OH with the 435 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,440 team is circling the drain, let me tell you. 436 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,560 Yeah, there you go. Yeah, P Ryan's circling the 437 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,320 drain. Yeah, so I mean, it's not 438 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,280 impossible if you say this with the team, but I would take 439 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,200 better than 5050 that he is gone. 440 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,040 And I, I think I've questioned you like in our, in our discord 441 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,880 on this Pat and I think Roto Pat started questioning me on the 442 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,480 last Roto world football shows like what do you win when you 443 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,360 win with Javonte if P Ryan's out of the question. 444 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,840 Feels like there's a. Lot, you win a lot there. 445 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,160 I do think if Javonte stays or if P Ryan stays on the roster, 446 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,720 yeah, maybe there's not as fun of a win scenario because they 447 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520 trust P Ryan in pass pro and he was legitimately efficient in 448 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,800 the confines of what they're asking him to do in terms of 449 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,040 yards per outrun. If he's out of the picture, 450 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,840 Javonte is healthier and like in better shape. 451 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,120 They were talking about him like just staying up late and eating 452 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:39,640 snacks all night. And he's like, yeah, I stopped. 453 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,920 I started treating my body like I'm a professional athlete and 454 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,400 now I've lost some weight. Like, yeah, maybe that's going 455 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,440 to work out in the long run given that you are quite 456 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,680 literally a professional athlete. 457 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:51,480 I I now see that there's a very clear what do you win when you 458 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,600 win path? Because as you know, Scratch has 459 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,760 talked about this is an offense where we know the backfield as a 460 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,960 whole will have a ton of fantasy points. 461 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,960 We just need them to be distributed in the right way, 462 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,920 where last year they're distributing the most unexciting 463 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,880 way, where P Ryan was locking you in for eight points and 464 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,880 never more than 12, but Javonte wasn't efficient enough to do 465 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,440 much else. I think there's a real potential 466 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,800 for a shift in the way the points are just distributed this 467 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,040 year. The other thing is. 468 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:18,000 Was getting a bunch of the high value touches to to ruin it even 469 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,000 more. Yeah, And I mean, the other the 470 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,640 other thing about Denver is that last year they were in this 471 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,320 situation where, you know, they they couldn't like lean on the 472 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,560 quarterback to really truly carry the offense and the 473 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,480 receivers weren't very high caliber. 474 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:41,000 Then they replaced a veteran quarterback with Bo Nix and the 475 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,120 receivers got worse. They got, they lost Judy, which 476 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:47,200 I think you have to say, you know, going from Judy to a a 477 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,560 fourth round Troy Franklin, even though I'm excited about him and 478 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,440 Josh Reynolds, that's a downgrade. 479 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,200 So there's even more incentive this year to pass to the running 480 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,720 backs a bunch and you have a quarterback in nick suit. 481 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,240 Like what is his biggest knock? It's that like he just does 482 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,760 short designed throws a lot of screens. 483 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,720 I mean, this this is set up for there to be a ton of running 484 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,280 back targets. So I agree with P, like if P 485 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,880 Ryan's gone, who's doing the pass protection? 486 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,040 I think it's Devante. I think he's the guy because 487 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,760 otherwise it's a rookie day three, two down banger and 488 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,120 estimate that really makes no sense. 489 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:29,560 Or Julio McLaughlin, who they talked about is the biggest 490 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,960 impediment to him even seeing the field was pass protection. 491 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,200 And he's an undersized back and I think he can get better in 492 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,560 pass protection and earn more trust. 493 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,520 But is he going to be the dedicated pass protector? 494 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,280 Like no, he's not. So Javonte, if P Ryan is cut, 495 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,000 you have this potential to to get the the third down back plus 496 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,240 maybe the early down lead back. That's that's the high value 497 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,480 touches right there. Yeah. 498 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,000 Yeah. That it makes sense. 499 00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:01,520 I I I certainly agree with the point that like when you dig 500 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,760 into the details, the Denver backfield is more attractive 501 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,080 than it looks on the surface. But I still think it's important 502 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,960 to remember, like especially on 1/2 PPR website, we're talking, 503 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,880 we're talking about a team that's, you know, by projected 504 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,520 team totals to score the second lease in the NFL this year. 505 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,320 And it's still, I think even if P Ryan is gone, quite likely to 506 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,600 be a three-way split. So I do understand like there 507 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,760 there's ways that plays out for Devante. 508 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,760 You know, maybe his role is bigger than expected. 509 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,840 They phase out, you know, estimate or McLaughlin, maybe 510 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,200 one of those guys get hurt and you can absorb the touches, But 511 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,240 I don't know. I, I think like at the end of 512 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,200 the day, like you can get the Dallas backfield at cheaper 513 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,120 prices than Javonte. You can take stabs at the 514 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,720 chargers backfield. You can take stabs at the 515 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,480 Bengals backfield and chase Brown at cheaper than Javonte. 516 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,320 I just think there's like more I, I. 517 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,120 Actually, don't even think that's true. 518 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,560 Like if you want Chase Brown today, you got to take him over 519 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,720 Javonte. Well, OK, yeah. 520 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,440 But Dallas, you can get multiple rounds like I think at the end 521 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,760 of the day, like. Why is that? 522 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,360 Cowboys running backs The Cowboys running backs are going 523 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:11,000 to be a much better half PPR fantasy target than the Broncos 524 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,240 backs like. Well, maybe, but I mean, yeah, 525 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,320 the pie if we can, if we're if we're playing Dallas running 526 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,920 back as a as a player, then yeah. 527 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,200 But I mean, who consolidated Dowdell's like my third or 528 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,120 fourth highest drafted player. So I'm praying it's Dowdell. 529 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:32,400 But I mean, you do have with Javonte of old backs that we're 530 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,080 talking about on the two teams, he's the the best bet to 531 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,600 consolidate, right? Yeah, he's also just the best 532 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,440 bet to be good where like obviously like like running 533 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,400 back, you know, is not nearly as like talent driven of a position 534 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,520 as wide receivers. So I don't want to rely solely 535 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,400 on the fact that he's probably of the sort of guys we're 536 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,840 talking about right now. The talent ceiling is highest, 537 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,080 but like it is the highest by a meaningful margin, like by 538 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,160 probably an extreme margin. And the guys, the guys who have 539 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,960 the highest talent ceiling that aren't him are on his team. 540 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,320 So that would be there could also be a winner somewhere else 541 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,920 on that team. Like there's really just not a 542 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,360 universe in which Zeke is a extremely talented player 543 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,280 anymore. I mean, it just is not possible. 544 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,560 Maybe like Chase Brown, but we're talking like he ain't 545 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,920 going to be this cheap. He's not this cheap by the time 546 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,480 you're listening to it. So, you know, among just the Gus 547 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,760 Edwards, that backfield and the Dallas backfield, and also 548 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,560 that's only two of 32 backfield. So I I actually think all of 549 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,760 these teams are targets when you can consolidate a lot of touches 550 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,160 on any of these teams for extremely cheap. 551 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,960 I do want to be targeting all these. 552 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,160 I think the more apt comparisons like, well, do we really want to 553 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,040 be consolidating touches for Rashad White, who's probably not 554 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,720 good on the Bucks? No, if those guys are that 555 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,440 expensive, like like, yeah, he's probably going to get a lot of 556 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,280 touches. He's also not very good. 557 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,160 Like when you have to pay that much for a guy and your argument 558 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,400 is he could consolidate touches. I don't love it when it's 559 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,160 Javonte who's cheap or Zeke, who I also think is a perfectly fine 560 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,280 pick. Like those are the guys I want 561 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,720 to cheaply consolidate touches with. 562 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,040 I just don't want to do expensively. 563 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,680 And I don't think it has to be Javonte versus Zeke. 564 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,760 Like teams I think are really strong when you do this multiple 565 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,760 times. Yeah, I think the only way to 566 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,920 kind of misplay Javonte is to then not take Julio and then not 567 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,360 take any estimate. And you know, just like 0. 568 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,920 Julio is the one that I'm out on now. 569 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,840 Jalil like running back 45 or whatever. 570 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,760 I mean he is a fun player and he definitely is going to have a 571 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,040 couple giga spikes but like I don't even know if he's. 572 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,880 I. Mean honestly if you're right 573 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,640 about that then he's a smash at ADP. 574 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Like that's what you if. What is a giga spike for Julian 575 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,840 McLaughlin like? I think it's like just for 46. 576 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,000 Yeah, like it's, it's like a Wandale spike, like 19, like 577 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,680 19.4. You had me at six catches. 578 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,320 I was like go on. Estimate. 579 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,000 Estimate is clearly to me right now the best pick of them on on 580 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,200 underdog. I mean he is huge. 581 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,600 He weighs 225 lbs. This is cheating. 582 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,280 I mean, that's the exact same weight as Javante, to be clear. 583 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,440 Like it's 5 lbs heavier but. Yeah, not. 584 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,200 Anymore Javante dropped a bunch of weight. 585 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,520 No, Peyton said. He got down to 2/22/21, which 586 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,920 means he was playing. How much was? 587 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,240 He before was he playing at like 2:40? 588 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,400 Good. I know, Peyton said. 589 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,640 The target weight for him is in the like it was 220 or 221 is 590 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,880 what he said. So like he was playing large 591 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,320 last year? Do you guys, do you guys want to 592 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,720 do some classic Davis Matic cheating? 593 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,920 OK, for a point, Sam, can you present my screen? 594 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,960 Yeah, this is some classic Davis Matic shooting. 595 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,480 So these are the Rotovis SIM scores for estimate with his 596 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,200 draft capital not plugged in. Oh wow. 597 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,440 TJ Yeldon, Jonathan Stewart, Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry, 598 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,680 David Montgomery, Sean Green, Jeremy Hill. 599 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,760 Like Just like Classic for classic goal linebacks, you 600 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,200 know, early down grinders. Whatever, these pass the vibe 601 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,880 tests like these absolutely. Like yeah, I could. 602 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,480 I mean, no, obviously. Plug in the draft capital here, 603 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,240 Davis. No, no, for the draft capital 604 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,840 doesn't matter anymore. Just plug it in, just we'll see 605 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,120 real quick. No, like in 2024 is like a 606 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,680 second round pick. And OK, plug in, plug in, plug 607 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,280 in, a late third round pick from and we'll just plug that in. 608 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,440 Is that not enough? I'll put in 80, I'll put in 80 609 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,720 and just see what it does. Is that I think it'll be 610 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:23,960 interesting, not as good. This is all oh, Kendra Miller's 611 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800 on this list, Doctor. No, these were these were these 612 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,400 were these were a couple guys who had had moments, which is 613 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,920 all you want from estimate you want, you want like you want. 614 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,680 Yeah, it's on Haskins. I'll never forget that. 615 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,000 Moment here's Here's the deal with Audrick Estimate. 616 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000 You want Audrick Estimate to qualify for Remember that guy 617 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,680 when we're doing this show in six years? 618 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,480 That's what you want from Audrick Estimate. 619 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,440 Honestly, Stephen Ridley would be a pretty big. 620 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,680 Hit pretty big. Yeah, I would take Stephen 621 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,440 Ridley, although I don't know that he did anything as this 622 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,560 list is kind of interesting because even Mike these. 623 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,040 Guys hit his rookies. Yeah, it took he was he got 624 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,360 there on volume, but he was like real bad. 625 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,800 And then his second year he he added some efficiency. 626 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,880 So it's kind of interesting, kind of interesting list makes 627 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,280 you makes you wonder a little bit if maybe the play is is 628 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,600 ultimately just Devante, but we can move on. 629 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,000 Yeah, let's, let's move on. I feel like, like even Broncos 630 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,560 fans have to be so weirded out by how much the fantasy 631 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,880 community talks about their backfield. 632 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,000 They're like, are you guys? You guys Sure we should be. 633 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,080 Davis is new 30 minutes on every show talking about the Denver 634 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,560 Broncos backfield. Are you sure about this? 635 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,880 We we lucked into this they're. So. 636 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:30,840 Confused. They are. 637 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,320 I've been DM ING Denver beat writers and they're like, I 638 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,280 mean, you guys know the quarterbacks can't complete a 639 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,680 pass, right? You're aware that this is a 640 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,320 quarterback competition that Zach Wilson is involved in, by 641 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,920 the way. I've been I've read every report 642 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,760 that has come out of Broncos camp for this exact reason. 643 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,000 There the the amount of Zach Wilson might start week one. 644 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,200 It's it's a lot higher than you want it to be. 645 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,960 It is a lot. Peyton just said they're about 646 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,600 to narrow the quarterback competition. 647 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,960 That strikes me as guys, we've done it. 648 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,640 We've ruled out Zach Wilson. Yeah, that's that's good. 649 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,600 That's gotta be ruling out Zach Wilson, but yeah, now I'm I'm 650 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,960 sure the offense designed around screen passes to Devonte 651 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,640 Williams from bow Knicks. That's going to that's going to 652 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,640 work really well. It's. 653 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,160 Going to work really well for Devon St. 654 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,040 Williams. Yeah, no, yeah, he'll be the RB. 655 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,720 2712 points for you. Great. 656 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,800 It'll be really cool. It will be cool. 657 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,800 Yeah, you're getting. Them like 115? 658 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,040 Yeah, no, that'll be great. I'm sure that'll be a really fun 659 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,640 pick. Let's move on to talk about DJ 660 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,640 Shark, who was up 12 spots for some reason. 661 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,080 Well, the reason is that he's running ahead of Quinton Johnson 662 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320 in three wide receiver stats right now for the SO. 663 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,720 This is not this is not 100% accurate. 664 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,480 By the way, this is another team that I've completely been 665 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,440 scouring on. So that's not 100% true. 666 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,160 QJ has been with the ones plenty The way Harbaugh's doing. 667 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,120 Thing is the starters are playing snaps with Easton stick. 668 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,280 Also, the Chargers beat writers seem to be one of the few teams 669 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,200 that follows the NFL rule that technically beat writers are not 670 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,840 really allowed to say who is with what. 671 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,560 Guy Nate Yankee tweeted this out the other day that technically 672 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,920 like beat writers are not allowed to be like. 673 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,280 These are the depth charts right now. 674 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,400 They kind of have to make vague allusions to it. 675 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,760 The real reason why Shark is up is because Quentin Johnson just 676 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,920 is so ass. I mean he is so so ass. 677 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,120 That's like a pretty clean way to put it. 678 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,320 Like you don't need to say much more on it. 679 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,880 He's he ain't it, man. Yeah. 680 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,800 Do you know like are we actually taking like I can't bring myself 681 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,880 to collect DJ chart? I guess if if you have Justin 682 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,000 Herbert, I'm never gonna fault you for taking sure a stacked 683 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,640 player with your quarterback. Like that's that's always fine 684 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,320 for me. But like. 685 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,600 I like to take. I like to take my zeros with 686 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,360 style points, so I take Brennan Rice. 687 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,360 Yeah, I just can't. So I don't know. 688 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,320 DJ Shark, to me, he's on this like sacrificial X receiver 689 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,800 axis. Yeah, yeah, totally. 690 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,120 He's somewhere on the M, you know, I obviously I wanted to 691 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,720 compare him to. T Where's T Higgins? 692 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,760 I couldn't. I've got AT Higgins chart T. 693 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,280 Higgins is just the right of Gabe Davis on this chart. 694 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,400 I couldn't quite squeeze him on here, but yeah, DJ. 695 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,320 Shark, I mean failing issues. In his last three seasons, 13% 696 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,000 targets for Outrun. That includes a season last year 697 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,080 where he was quote UN quote competing for targets with 698 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:34,440 Jonathan Mingo and Adam Thielen, and he was at like 11 percent, 699 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,000 12% targets for Outrun. Like all this dude does now is 700 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,920 he just lines up on the line of scrimmage on the outside. 701 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,320 They tell him to run deep. They occasionally throw him the 702 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,120 ball, sure. Jalen Gaytan, remember him? 703 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like Jalen Guyton, buddy. 704 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,360 I don't even think like you watch DJ Shark. 705 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,760 He's not even like really fast anymore. 706 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,960 I don't know, man, it's it's kind of sad compared to the 707 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,880 player he used to be, But I just I don't think he's an NFL wide 708 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,080 receiver at this point. So I'm I'm pretty. 709 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,640 Also, Johnston's going to play some, he's going to mix in. 710 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,000 So yes. So Sharks rap participation is 711 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:17,000 70% sixty five. Like it's not it's not a profile 712 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,600 we're excited about from a talent perspective. 713 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,080 I don't even know how much opportunities really here from 714 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,040 the routes can't earn volume. I mean it's like a stack thing 715 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,040 where you're saying he's got a deep A dot. 716 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,679 I just need him to catch a long bomb in the right week. 717 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,600 Like that's OK, like I guess as a as a Herbert stack, but I 718 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,000 still am not that excited about. No, I mean I actually think 719 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,960 that's like the perfect way to put it is the the sacrificial X, 720 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,679 Like the first report we got was DJ Shark was playing with the 721 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,280 ones he can fill that X role, but it should have said he can 722 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,679 be the X parentheses derogatory. Like we don't mean this in a fun 723 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,320 he's that dude way. Yeah, it's not a fun X Davis. 724 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,800 Share my screen. You've looked into some powerful 725 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,560 stats, yeah. I have some deep analytics here, 726 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080 sophomore seasons for DJ Shark and. 727 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,200 You make this a little bit bigger. 728 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,640 I can't see nuts are for these players. 729 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,760 How do I make this bigger? I can I can zoom in. 730 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,520 I can zoom in my screen. Yeah, you. 731 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,000 So we just we're just looking here at T Higgins and DJ Shark. 732 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,840 15 games versus 16 games. This is sophomore season for 733 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,920 these two More touchdowns, more yards, more yards per reception. 734 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,000 1 Pro Bowl nomination for. DJ. 735 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,880 Shark and more and more fancy points for DJ Shark. 736 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,320 You do. I mean, you can't argue with the 737 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,840 numbers. When was this for chart? 738 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,640 This was like 2020 that. Was that out of nowhere? 739 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,280 This was each of their second season. 2019 This was forever 740 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,200 ago, right? Yes, no, this was like a whole. 741 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,920 Differently. It wasn't that sharks fall off 742 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,040 was so rapid. This wasn't even that long ago. 743 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,920 2020 he got hurt, right? I mean I I don't really remember 744 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,360 but. He he had an ankle injury. 745 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,320 I think it was pretty serious. I think he had like a serious 746 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,000 ankle injury. Here's something I uncovered 747 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,920 today. Did you guys know that DJ Shark 748 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,640 played for the Lions in 2022? Yes. 749 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,840 Yeah, yeah. I've, I've, I, I relearned that 750 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,880 today. That was like the most forgotten 751 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,040 extent I've I can ever. That's why Breakout. 752 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,040 Season was in 2019. You're citing pre pandemic stats 753 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,640 right now. And then by the way, he was on 754 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,760 the exact same team the next year no real changes and he got 755 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,800 like out yards per targeted by keelan Cole and Leviska Chanel 756 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,800 and Chris Conley. It it it went it went S fast for 757 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:43,880 for shark. Yeah. 758 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,840 Shark. Well, at least at least we know 759 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,720 Like that's where I'll draw the line with D Higgins. 760 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:52,760 I will not compare him to DJ Shark, but Davis will so. 761 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,520 There you go. That's actually that's a bit of 762 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,120 an upset. I I I wouldn't affect that. 763 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,720 Yeah, I just I, I, I knew, I knew there was a way to make his 764 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,360 second season funny in this context. 765 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,360 So that and just that was playing to the bit of the show. 766 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:12,080 No, I, I am brackets 100% serious about this. 767 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,680 I am actually just straight up taking Brennan Rice over DJ 768 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,800 Shark. I mean, OK, you know, I'm not, 769 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,480 I'm not really doing it because I don't think Bryce is a lot to 770 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,680 make the team, but he. I, I think he's not going to be, 771 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,280 he's going to be a practice squad guy week one. 772 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:26,800 Well. That's good. 773 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,920 Take him over. That's definitely someone I want 774 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,000 to hammer in basketball then. I'm not hammering him. 775 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,200 I'm not hammering him, but I'm. Just I think he's on the 776 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,960 practice squad. I'm taking zero because I don't 777 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,880 think you can score, as far as I know when you're on the 778 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,400 practice. Squad not on What is DJ? 779 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,480 What is DJ Shark doing for you in Week 4? 780 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,600 No, I agree. I mean, I'm not drafting chark 781 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:45,920 really. But don't put me in a position 782 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,120 to defend DJ Chark. The idea is that, yeah, he's 783 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,240 like MVS from 2022, when he had two usable games and like. 784 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,400 Yeah, that's not, I mean the the one like minor thing I'll say in 785 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,440 favor of Chark is NFL coaches like view him as a full time 786 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,640 player at least they have the past three years like he's 787 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,680 hasn't done anything with on the field, but it's basically three 788 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,440 straight years of 80% route participation. 789 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,200 That's true. So that again, I, I think like 790 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,520 he's, yeah. You should be all in on him. 791 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,720 Like he's like basically Corey Davis and Devante Parker. 792 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,440 He's Devante. He really is. 793 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,080 He's a memorial. Devante Parker. 794 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960 He is. Devante Parker is way better 795 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,920 than DJ Shark. We don't. 796 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,040 Do that but. Rashad Bateman, Speaking of 797 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,920 terrible wide receivers, he's up eight spots now. 798 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,200 I actually liked Rashad Bateman. He's up eight spots from 171. 799 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,160 Just just in time for his yearly training camp injury. 800 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,680 Exactly. Yeah, So this time it counts 801 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,400 with the Sean Bateman. He he limped off the field 802 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,360 today, I guess. So maybe this will throw a 803 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,120 wrench in things. But yeah, he's just, he's 804 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,280 consistently gotten camp pipe throughout the whole offseason, 805 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,200 like almost in the same way that Jameson Williams has. 806 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,760 But I guess people are just not willing to go that far with 807 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,880 Bateman anymore. Like we've been burned one too 808 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,600 many times. Whereas with Jameson, it's like 809 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,160 we've only been burned two times, so we can be burned a 810 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,480 third before we relegate him to the 15th round and. 811 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,320 I but I'm not that into Jameson, but I think his excuses are, you 812 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,680 know. Way more legitimate. 813 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,760 Much more legitimate. I mean, coming off the ACL, the 814 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,240 gambling suspension, maybe not having, you know, the right 815 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:31,440 attitude and then and then he's entering year three and it was 816 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,000 positive at the end of last season and now it's been 817 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,360 positive all offseason. And you know, he's a year 818 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,960 earlier in his career. Bateman is entering year four or 819 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,280 year five. I think you're 5I. 820 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,880 Think you're 4. OK, you're four, I believe. 821 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,800 Because he got an extension so anyway. 822 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,840 But his his path already is more concerning because he's a year 823 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,360 older. But then also the end of last 824 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,040 season, he wasn't good. So like I'm, I'm like, and he 825 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,480 wasn't getting on the field a ton and, and they weren't 826 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,720 playing Odell Beckham. So I think there's a lot more 827 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,240 reasons for for caution here. I I have been drafting some of 828 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,080 them but. That's. 829 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,160 Rising, I think you got to say goodbye to be. 830 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,160 Clear Well, you got to take him. You got to take him with Lamar. 831 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,720 Like what are you going to do? Like you like, I don't, I mean, 832 00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:20,600 I guess you don't have to, but I think he's a very good selection 833 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,920 with Lamar and I would, I really only ever take him, but I I 834 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,800 think the right way to play this, if we're talking about 835 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,040 round 18 guys who might give you 0 is Devantez Walker is is. 836 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,600 I take a lot of Walker. Yeah. 837 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,000 Yeah, I have. I have 8% Bateman, so I'm not 838 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000 out, but I'm a 13% Walker and yeah, price adjusted just the. 839 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,880 Much. I think I've got 16% Walker. 840 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,920 I think he's now that Dortch is like a 17th round pick. 841 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,040 He's the best 18th round wide receiver. 842 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,280 Yeah, I think maybe the hope for Bateman is that we saw last year 843 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,000 they signed Odo Beckham to way too much money and then seemed 844 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,080 to like need to give him something to do. 845 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,960 So they schemed him up a lot of first read targets. 846 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,800 Like he had a pretty reasonable target for Outrump. 847 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,640 That's just because they would put him out there and be like, 848 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,840 this is a play for you and then he wouldn't do all that much 849 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,120 with it. But they did seem to really have 850 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,400 a desire to get this guy involved in the offense. 851 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,360 And now that guy is gone and they have signed someone else to 852 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,120 probably like more money than they're honestly worth. 853 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,280 And Bateman, maybe Bateman is a guy who they now see as we need 854 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,160 to start scheming you plays that are are to get you the ball. 855 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,760 Will he actually do anything with them? 856 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,640 There's also the cut UPS of him not being, you know, not being 857 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,680 targeted when he's wide open and not being on the same page with 858 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,560 Lamar. And he this is his first like 859 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,200 healthy offseason, I guess before today and, you know, his 860 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,440 entire career basically. So, you know, there's something 861 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,760 to the idea of this dude finally gets like an offseason where 862 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,280 he's on the same page of this quarterback and the team finally 863 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,720 kind of saying, all right, it's time for you to step up. 864 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,640 This is like a really weird comp but maybe it's like a little in 865 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,360 Joku ish where like they like had him behind. 866 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,200 I was thinking Agalore, how like Agalore did the team switch and 867 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,640 was finally good, but it's just like you just needed a 868 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,640 refresher. Basically what they've been 869 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,440 needed. You can't. 870 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,520 I mean, the team being like, all right, we, we are expecting this 871 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,080 guy to step up and we're playing it like he will step up is is 872 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,320 big. You don't want to like pay too 873 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,240 much for that, but I think there is something to it. 874 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,440 So he's kind of getting to the point though, like every time 875 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,320 I'm like, all right, I'm starting to warm up to Bateman 876 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,920 now. He rises in price. 877 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,760 And so I I've been even with the field, I think I'll probably 878 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,800 fall behind the field as he as he continues to rise. 879 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,800 Yeah. And those like to the point of, 880 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,600 again, you don't need to compare it to Jameson Williams, But in 881 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,040 terms of the excuses, Bateman's excuses are maybe less like 882 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,800 obvious. But he did have that Liz Frank 883 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,320 injury two years ago. And then he was battling that 884 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,160 all offseason last year, came to the season not healthy. 885 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,600 And people were saying by the end of the year that he was 886 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,160 running his routes a lot better. You know, it did not translate 887 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,120 into fantasy production, that's for sure. 888 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,240 But there at least is some alibis for Bateman and why he 889 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,440 hasn't produced throughout the start of his career. 890 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,160 And yeah, I just think the prices is right for Bateman. 891 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,920 Like if you're going to bet on like a guy who hasn't really 892 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,240 done much all of his creating, you're just kind of betting on 893 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:11,200 him for the routes in the offense. 894 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,800 Like I think 165, whatever. ADP is totally fine. 895 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,600 Like I'm definitely taking him on Lamar teams and I've been 896 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,120 taking him as a standalone player as well on that range. 897 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,080 I think I think he's a pretty solid value. 898 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,840 Yeah, you're getting a piece of the Ravens offense which you 899 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,040 know, we know can put a big weeks so. 900 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:32,880 Yeah, and there's, yeah, there's not a whole lot. 901 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,400 Again, they you know, Duvernay is gone, Odell is gone. 902 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,160 There's there's some room there for a little bit more 903 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,640 consolidation maybe it's not just sort of the the three man 904 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,360 rotation between those three and Bateman really earns a full time 905 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,880 role this year. Dobbins is the next guy who's up 906 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,480 here. He's up eight spots by ADP, 907 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,000 another sort of injury situation that's thrown drafters for a 908 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,600 lead, but he is healthy. I'm not falling for it, dude. 909 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,720 I'm not falling for it. He isn't. 910 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:03,520 He isn't healthy. Again I. 911 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,320 Think well, I put healthy in quotes on the slide because. 912 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,880 So, so I don't know if you guys have some coach speaking X had 913 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,120 some some clips from Harbaugh. Harbaugh is going to be 914 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,880 extremely annoying. Like he's the way he's answering 915 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,360 questions on injuries. He's like Rashawn Slater had 916 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,640 something and he wouldn't say what he was like. 917 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,320 I'm not gonna categorize it. They're like, what? 918 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,640 Because. He is used to the college rules 919 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,120 where you don't have to. Yeah. 920 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,360 He's like, I'm not gonna categorize what it is. 921 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,520 He kind of like, at one point they got him to act it out and 922 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,480 he kind of like grabbed it. His legs, it's probably hammy. 923 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,680 So he actually kind of accidentally gave it away. 924 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,600 But he's like refusing to say what he injured. 925 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,880 Really, he wouldn't. Answer the timeline. 926 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,840 They're like, how long? Like is it a day? 927 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,680 Is he is he going to be out? You're going to be managing this 928 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,120 for weeks. And he's like, I'm not going to 929 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,960 categorize it. And that's that's what I that's 930 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,800 what I'm saying. That's that is the words that 931 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,360 I'm saying. It's like the great this, this 932 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,000 is going to be a lot of fun. Now JK Dobbins is one of these 933 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,760 players who missed, I think yesterday. 934 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,920 Gus isn't practicing. He said he wasn't aware that he 935 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,120 had off season surgery, but I think he did. 936 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,600 So I don't know what's going on there. 937 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,840 Are you guys familiar with The Secret Life of Walter Mitty? 938 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,960 That movie a, a, a, a Ben Stiller movie? 939 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,560 It's, it's this guy. He, he loses this photograph and 940 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,920 he has to go. And he's kind of like this 941 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,800 wallflower type of dude. He, he's been like real reserved 942 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,520 and he has to go out and he, he searches all over the world for 943 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,600 this photographer, this elusive photographer for this valuable 944 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,160 photograph. That's I'm about to start doing 945 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,800 that for some combining, Videl reports. 946 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,040 I'm ready. I'm ready to go. 947 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,840 To I've got it. Afghanistan. 948 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,080 I'm ready to go to Norway get I'm. 949 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,240 Doing well. Someone offered to be a beat 950 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,080 reporter for your website and you turn them down. 951 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,240 That's a little. That's a little less. 952 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,000 Fun I I've been, I've been, I've been pounding the pavement for 953 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000 Videl. I've got all of it that's out 954 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,640 there. And I'll just tell you, nothing 955 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,600 good. Not not one good enough. 956 00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,280 No working with Herbert in practice know Greg Roman being 957 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,960 like, oh, you know, he's doing everything. 958 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,560 We've asked him that the the kindest thing that's been out 959 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,680 there is that Roman says that he's excited to see how Videl 960 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:15,240 plays with the pads on, but Jarrett Patterson has been ahead 961 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,320 of Videl with. Herbert. 962 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,840 So it's not great. It's not great. 963 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,440 I'm not. I'm also not putting too much 964 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,560 stock into like first week of training camp depth chart stuff. 965 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,880 Yeah, I don't really care, but. But I agree, it's not like I 966 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,040 would be nice if he was a head of Isaiah Spiller and Jared 967 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,000 Patterson clearly and that's that's not the case. 968 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,720 But again, I don't want to bury him too much for that, like last 969 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,680 year with Von. E frustrated with Sorry, but 970 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:50,040 it's like Dobbins and Gus Edwards didn't practice 971 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,720 yesterday and I can't I'm not hearing anything about who the 972 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,160 running backs were like what did? 973 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,840 Can you just tell me like a running back? 974 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,160 I know like there might be some restrictions, but you can be 975 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,600 like nice cut by Jared Patterson while working with the ones. 976 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,120 Can we get that? That would be really nice. 977 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,720 They're not even out there. Dobbins And who is? 978 00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,520 All it takes grain is you pay that guy fifty $50,000 annual 979 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,240 salary to be a charger's beat up your own personal charger. 980 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,200 'S beat back out, wait's back out a little more. 981 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,560 Like you're this is a fixable problem for you. 982 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,520 You can you can hire one of your own. 983 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,920 But for what it's worth, Dobbins and Gus are back out there 984 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,640 today. This is from Hayden Winks again, 985 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,080 we're in order of running back through drills season. 986 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,240 Today it was Dobbins, then Gus, then Spiller, then Videl. 987 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,280 Again. For what it's worth, that's not 988 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,320 necessarily the depth chart order maybe means something 989 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,000 though. And at least at least those guys 990 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,920 are out healthy. But let's get back to the 991 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,120 Dobbins part of the conversation. 992 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,720 I think we've talked a lot about the doll, like are we leaving 993 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,120 any, you know, flickering candle of hope on for JK Dobbins or are 994 00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,880 we just like completely ruling him out? 995 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,160 Because I've been, I've been a little bit torn on what to do 996 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,640 with him. Start with you, Kyle. 997 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:09,280 I'm fine drafting him here because it I know if I draft him 998 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,960 now if I took him in every draft I couldn't even get up to like 999 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,520 6% because I have 0 to this point like stone cold. 1000 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,360 There aren't ton of players that if I search in both of my apps 1001 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,800 they do not come up. He is one of them. 1002 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,240 And this price versus where it was two weeks ago is a 1003 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,480 difference in like 1 auction dollar versus $1.20 and auction 1004 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,000 dollars like a denomination you can't even count. 1005 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,880 And he'd like he started camp not on pop slash NFI. 1006 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,520 Like he's out there. And I think, I don't even think 1007 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,560 he missed practice. I think they limited to limited 1008 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,200 him to individual drills, which like also for a veteran coming 1009 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,040 off of a big injury, I mean, like literally as careers worth 1010 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,760 of big injuries probably are just going to keep pulsing him 1011 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,160 in practice. Like, yeah, you're you're not 1012 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,880 going to get a ton of full practices this early in the 1013 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,480 summer. And everything we've said so far 1014 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,480 points to this backfield being wide open. 1015 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,960 Like we cannot find Crane. I think someone tagged us in a 1016 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:04,920 video of Vidal taking a hand off a super grainy far away video of 1017 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,280 Vidal taking a hand off from Herbert. 1018 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,040 Now I can't even find it. Like the media is suppressing 1019 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,800 the Vidal video, but like, Vidal's a whatever, 5th, 6th 1020 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,720 round rookie. Like he could get cut Like that 1021 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,280 stuff just happens to these guys. 1022 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,200 The 49ers cut a third round rookie every year. 1023 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,120 It's like Chargers can do it, but the six round guy and Gus 1024 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,800 Edwards is like a total Jag coming off offseason surgery. 1025 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,120 Like we got to buy someone here. I I do think like you have to 1026 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,480 buy someone and they're all cheap. 1027 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,880 If if I mean when, when Dobbins, you know, steams up 30 picks 1028 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,000 because he makes a long run fine. 1029 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,600 I took him five times and and that's all I'm going to get. 1030 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,720 But at the dollar and 20 price, I think we have to be drafting 1031 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:44,040 someone here and he's fine at this. 1032 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,160 Point. Yeah, I mean, the thing with all 1033 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:52,080 these guys after Gus is are they even going to make the roster? 1034 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,320 You know, and Fidel, it's like, maybe not, but man, he could be 1035 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:02,040 really fun if he does. You know, we see a lot of years 1036 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,840 an unheralded guy step into opportunity and kind of become 1037 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,600 one of the guys you need. And Fidel has has take an 1038 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,320 opportunity to be that guy if he's good, but maybe he's not. 1039 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,760 And so that's that. That would suck. 1040 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,160 Limiting factor. Limiting factor yeah, Dobbins 1041 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,960 has the same setup. He's coming off the Achilles and 1042 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,800 you know, two years off the ACL. So like is he going to be able 1043 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,080 to to be good enough to to take over the role? 1044 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,840 But I think we should be open minded to him being able to do 1045 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,760 that. And then if he's in like less of 1046 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,560 a risk to get cut, which he seems like less of a risk, 1047 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:43,400 right? Like that would be the the thing 1048 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,160 I've changed on the most. How likely is it the JK Dobbins 1049 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,160 gets cut? I think a lot less likely than I 1050 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,880 thought like 3 weeks ago. So I'm starting to warm up to 1051 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,760 him as an OK pick and maybe maybe he's even a good pick. 1052 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,960 Like I was willing to take on this risk with Bidel because of 1053 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,560 the situation. Why not take on the risk with 1054 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,600 Dobbins a little bit before he gets, you know, I mean, if he 1055 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,800 rises a lot in price then I'm not interested, but he's still 1056 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,400 so cheap. Yeah, I mean, like you said, 1057 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,600 three weeks ago I was like, Dobbins might not be in the NFL 1058 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,480 anymore. Like, they certainly aren't 1059 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,960 paying him. Like he's a meaningful part of 1060 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,400 their team and no one else is willing to do that. 1061 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,600 And probably the only reason they did it is because he's a 1062 00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,560 Nebo baby. He knows the Greg Roman offense, 1063 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,480 but he's out there. He's practicing. 1064 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,480 He looks fine enough like. No, he looks fine. 1065 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,760 His calves are different sizes. The gate is weird. 1066 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,920 I haven't seen, I haven't seen the weird gate like the iconic 1067 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,600 weird gate video from a few years ago is. 1068 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,840 Bad. So what'll what'll happen? 1069 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,400 The calf The calf picture does look pretty damning. 1070 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,960 What'll happen is he'll get injured in week four and then 1071 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,400 all the the Twitter docs are going to be like, we told you 1072 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,560 dude, we told you compensation injury, you know? 1073 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,800 Yeah, that's what I'm, that's what I'm thinking. 1074 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,680 Like even if he starts the season as a starter, like we've 1075 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,240 just seen this so many times with these Achilles guys, like 1076 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,880 they just don't, they don't last. 1077 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,040 Week Cam Akers was a playoff hero in the same year he tore 1078 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,040 his Achilles. He put up I think it was Week 1079 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,280 16. He put up a massive score that 1080 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,960 Week 16. It was 'cause he knocked like 1081 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,320 two or three of my teams, I was like, I only need to fade 30 1082 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,600 from Cam Akers. There's zero way he does this to 1083 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,760 me and I had like two teams that got knocked out of finals 1084 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,920 contention. At this price, one game like 1085 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,880 that would be way more than enough and and I don't even know 1086 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,240 that it needs to happen in the. Playoffs. 1087 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,640 Dobbins is vegan. Dobbins is vegan. 1088 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:34,840 I'm out. I'm. 1089 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,160 Out Wasn't Aaron Foster vegan? He was, yeah, when he sucked. 1090 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,280 He. Went he went vegan, he went 1091 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,320 vegan and then hurt his Achilles and was done. 1092 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,600 Can we get a Can we get a chart of when Aaron Foster went vegan 1093 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,640 and just just craters? Not to nitpick the details of 1094 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,840 that crane, but that was so Akers tore his Achilles in the 1095 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:02,800 offseason of the 2021 season, then returned for the playoffs 1096 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,800 in 2022, and then it was that regular season after that where 1097 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,960 he had that huge Week 16 game. So. 1098 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,640 But that would be this season for Dobbins. 1099 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,600 No, no, it would be No, it was like a full no, it's like a full 1100 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,680 8 month difference. He toured his Achilles and then 1101 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,800 he returned later that season, which would have been last 1102 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,960 season for Dobbins. No, he and that weird. 1103 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,520 He did not return in the regular season. 1104 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,520 He returned in the NFL playoffs that year. 1105 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,720 Right. But then the following year was 1106 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,560 the the spike week that I'm talking about, right? 1107 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,160 2022 what he would have been, he would have been about 18 months 1108 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,160 removed from the Achilles when when he had that crazy run from 1109 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,480 week 1516 and 17. And Dobbins would be like 17 1110 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,040 months removed or 16. No, no. 1111 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,880 No, Dobbins will be like 11 months removed. 1112 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,360 Yeah. Oh. 1113 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,800 I think. I think what Karine you're 1114 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,160 saying though is if Dobbins does it in, I thought? 1115 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:54,520 He tore his Achilles. I thought he tore his Achilles. 1116 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,000 Yeah, I'm talking about the fantasy playoffs. 1117 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,000 So I thought, yeah, Dobbins wouldn't be 11 months removed. 1118 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,640 He, he tore his Achilles like week 1. 1119 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,960 So he'd be he's. A year he's like 12 or 13 1120 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,480 instead of 18. Crane is saying in the playoffs. 1121 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,400 In the playoffs. In the playoffs. 1122 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,960 Oh. Sure, you know the weeks we care 1123 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,960 about. You know those. 1124 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,840 Yeah, I still, I still think that I'm, I still think that 1125 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,880 it's a nitpick, but I think I'm right that it's like a four 1126 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,440 month difference, but. I don't think it is because it 1127 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,600 was. It was bizarre. 1128 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,520 Maybe, maybe, yeah, it was like July versus September, so. 1129 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,560 Yeah, this is hurting my brain. I I see your point though. 1130 00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:33,280 He could. He could just like the point. 1131 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,720 You're talking about the difference of like two months. 1132 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,840 Yeah, the point you're making, which I think is a good one, is 1133 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,560 that Dobbins at this, especially at this ADP, but he doesn't have 1134 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,840 to be good if he just like has the role and is getting that 1135 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,160 many touches. Like Cam Akers in 2022 was 1136 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,680 pretty terrible all season. He just kind of completely 1137 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,360 locked boxed into a huge spike totally because he had the role. 1138 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,880 So yeah, I think that's fair. I mean Dobbins again, he has the 1139 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:05,480 multi ligament ACLNCL hamstring tear before the Achilles so. 1140 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,360 He just has more checkered injury in. 1141 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,320 History than Cam Akers so I don't know. 1142 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,200 His lower body stuff is like, man, I would retire. 1143 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,680 You must have like he must have a lot of dog in him. 1144 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:21,680 He he has broken his leg. He's done both his Acls and he's 1145 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,080 got the Achilles. I mean, it's really rough stuff. 1146 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,520 Here's my 60 IQ take. I I even at these prices, I have 1147 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,200 basically no interest in Dobbins on underdog.com. 1148 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,520 If I want to start taking JK Dobbins, I'll take him in a 1149 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,120 redraft league where I can cut him after he hurts his knee 1150 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,720 again. Yeah. 1151 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,560 And I should say I'm at 1% Dobbins. 1152 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,120 So this is like mostly a me trying to stay open minded kind 1153 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,640 of take of like am I missing something? 1154 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,200 Am I trying, you know, should I be willing to mix this guy in 1155 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,640 now that the Bidel stuff well. We all kind of missed something 1156 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,680 because we thought this was impossible. 1157 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,960 Like this ADP, we were like, he's making $50,000. 1158 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,400 He's not. He's like, it's not like we all 1159 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,080 were playing this the opposite way the whole time. 1160 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,880 Exactly. So it's like if the Videl Steam 1161 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,400 does not seem to be materializing so far, maybe it 1162 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,600 does later. Gus is like, not someone it's 1163 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,560 going to be easy to get excited about ever. 1164 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,200 I mean, if Dobbins just kind of keeps on track to make the 1165 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,080 roster, it's like a handcuff, you know? 1166 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,920 He would be worth considering at this price, so. 1167 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,800 Honestly, might be better that he's a handcuff, Let him 1168 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,160 continue to like, heal up. And that timeline we talked 1169 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,920 about where like, yeah, I don't know if this guy can play a full 1170 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,440 NFL season anymore, but if he's a backup running back who can 1171 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,240 play a few games for me at the cost of pick 164, like that guy 1172 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,080 is valuable. Yeah. 1173 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,120 Yep, Yep, Last thing I'll say and then I'll move on. 1174 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,800 I I do think like this this, the headline here is that it's good 1175 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,560 news that Dobbins is much more likely to make the team than we 1176 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,760 originally thought. I still think we have to be wary 1177 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,880 of this is the first week, second week of training camp. 1178 00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,200 These veterans are almost always going to be, you know, the quote 1179 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,360 UN quote starters. And I would not rule out 1180 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,400 Spiller, Patterson, these other guys from carving out a role 1181 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,360 ahead of Dobbins. Like the Pads haven't really 1182 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,920 come on yet. We haven't seen the preseason. 1183 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,080 So I'm not saying that like he's a lock to make the roster. 1184 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,600 I do think it's much more likely he's going to make it than what 1185 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,760 I thought originally, which is certainly good news. 1186 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,880 Yep. Well, not for me, but sure. 1187 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,400 Not actually not for me either because I have none of him, but 1188 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:42,960 good. Good for Dobbins, good that he's 1189 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,400 coming back healthy. Chase Brown this is. 1190 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,040 I'm actually surprised this ADP rise is so small. 1191 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,320 He's only up three spots after reports that. 1192 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,120 There's no Fast Puppy open right now. 1193 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,560 Is that, Yeah, Is that what's going on? 1194 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,680 But yeah, I'm curious, Kyle, how you're reacting to this news 1195 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,600 that Chase Brown is working with the ones depending on who you 1196 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,280 talk to. Charlie Clifford, who I was not 1197 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,920 familiar with his game, but this has been the report that's going 1198 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,960 around that he continues to take the majority of the reps at 1199 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,360 running back with the ones. Curious if you've been adjusting 1200 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,080 your stance on Chase Brown. I mean, no, but most excited. 1201 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,200 I've been drafting a ton of him and until he really steams up, 1202 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,880 I'm like, yeah, I'll just continue to draft this guy. 1203 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,320 Like I don't even want to say extremely talented, but just 1204 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,200 like Spike week, potentially explosive guy who plays on an 1205 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,920 offense we want to target whose competition is like veteran 1206 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,360 grinder Zach Moss, who's making like fine money. 1207 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,400 But actually the the money kind of reminds me of what we saw. 1208 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,160 Like Alexander Madison got extended right before Dalvin 1209 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,040 Cook left. It was like 2 years, 7 million, 1210 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,480 I think. And, and Zach Moss is 2281, if I 1211 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,600 remember correctly. Like, yeah, a guy making 44 1212 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,560 million on average is probably a good bet to see snaps. 1213 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,920 But like, is he a good bet to lead a team's backfield in 1214 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,080 carries when the other guy is potentially really talented? 1215 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,560 I don't know if he's a great bet to be that guy. 1216 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,800 And obviously he's the one who's more expensive right now. 1217 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,680 Wouldn't, I guess we probably won't see this, but in my mind, 1218 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,880 it would be totally rational to just flip Chase Brown and Zac 1219 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,120 Moss, ADP. Like which one of these guys do 1220 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,680 I think is more likely? To we're gonna see it. 1221 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,440 That's gonna happen. If you think it's going to 1222 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,200 happen like we need to start, we need to get the last grasp of 1223 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,520 this guy. Is a great how do you think I'm 1224 00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,440 literally entering drafts before Chase Brown and then getting 1225 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,200 sniped. I'm going in trying to get 100% 1226 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,160 exposure to Chase Brown and getting 33% exposure. 1227 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,160 That's that's the environment we're in right now. 1228 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,600 All right, Davis, take your take your victory lap on Chase Brown. 1229 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,320 You've been showing great restraint so far, but. 1230 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,000 You know, people are saying this might be my Liam year where all 1231 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,480 my cakes just completely sun run and I hope they're right. 1232 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,880 Who are those people? Davis just. 1233 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,560 People, and people have. Been saying it, it's more like 1234 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,720 in the ether. It's in the orange. 1235 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,360 Yeah, you can kind of feel it. You can. 1236 00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,360 Feel it. So Chase dodged the big bullet, 1237 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,560 which was that they didn't select Trey Benson or even even 1238 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,360 a Braylon Allen type like a big bodied guy. 1239 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:14,680 Even if Videl or like Isaiah Davis was a bangle, you'd be a 1240 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:19,480 little bit concerned. As it's July 29th, this could 1241 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,040 always change. Samaj P Ryan is not a Cincinnati 1242 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,960 Bengal yet. So kind of every day I wake up 1243 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,080 and and sort of thank the various deities across the earth 1244 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,400 that that is true. This is where I I've ultimately 1245 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,560 landed on this situation. The team decided Chase Brown is 1246 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,480 good enough as a rusher and a receiver to replace Mixon, but 1247 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,200 they needed to have a better insurance policy in case he 1248 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,960 can't hold up in pass pro and that's why Zach Moss is there. 1249 01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,440 Moss is there if they get to week two and Joe Burrow has been 1250 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,520 sacked 7 times through two games and Burrow and Brown just keeps 1251 01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:02,160 getting blown up In pass pro Joe Goodberry stated exactly what 1252 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,280 you think, which is Moss is going to be Samaj P rhyme. 1253 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,920 Plus like Brown is not going to have Joe Mixon's workload where 1254 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,080 he's getting 18 carries and six targets a week, but it'll 1255 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:17,320 probably be more like 14 rushes and four targets a week. 1256 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,160 And the other thing is, for me personally, this is probably not 1257 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,720 something that applies to everyone, but I've got so much 1258 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,080 Chase Brown and so little Zac Moss that this actually is kind 1259 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,280 of nice for me because now I'll be able to get Moss at a price 1260 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,680 that I think is appropriate. Whereas like running back 25 Zac 1261 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,520 Moss I had no interest in. So I think the way to play this 1262 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,400 now is to, I mean, definitely keep keep taking Chase Brown. 1263 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,240 Now, if Chase Brown gets more expensive than like James 1264 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,360 Conner, maybe we can chill out now. 1265 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:53,400 But Zach Moss at like running back 33 pricing is going to be 1266 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,760 really strong. So that's that's how it is, 1267 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,120 yeah. Yeah, I was. 1268 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,520 I was looking at the contracts for an article I'm working on 1269 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,560 for Austin Echoler and Antonio Gibson and very similar, which 1270 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,920 is one of the reasons I'm pretty high on Brian Robinson. 1271 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,000 I think you know that these guys, this is a type of contract 1272 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,480 you bring in for kind of a a solid reliable. 1273 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,120 Exactly what it is. Passing down kind of backup 1274 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,320 type. Yep. 1275 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,240 Well, Zach Moss got that exact same contract, so. 1276 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,640 Actually, actually less than than both of them. 1277 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,440 Yeah. And at the time when I was first 1278 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,760 writing this up, I was like, well, I guess, you know, one 1279 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,480 counter to this point I'm making on Robinson is that, you know, 1280 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,600 Zach Moss looks like the starter in Cincinnati with this 1281 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,800 contract. Well, maybe he was never lined 1282 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,200 up to be this. Maybe they always kind of 1283 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,520 unbeknownst to us, viewed Chase Brown as the 1A and and Moss 1284 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,480 exactly like Davis laid it out as kind of a a really solid 1285 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,080 backup plan slash, you know, guy they can trust and pass pro 1286 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,400 until they signed Samaji P Ryan once he gets cut so. 1287 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,160 Just can we just can we not could just whatever you believe 1288 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,240 in personally, who are you? You listening, you watching? 1289 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,240 Send it to your various people that you do not want Samaj P 1290 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,960 Ryan to be a Cincinnati Bengals. You prefer him to be a Jet, 1291 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,320 You'd prefer him to be a Buccaneer. 1292 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,600 Buccaneer would maybe be perfect for me because I I'm not all the 1293 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,120 way bought in on a buck ear ring, but just anywhere but the 1294 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,320 Bengals. Davis is going to unite the 1295 01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,480 various faiths of the globe just to just to make sure that Chase 1296 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,600 Brown stays the the unquestioned. 1297 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,480 And I like Samaj P Ryan, he's a easy he went to the University 1298 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,680 of Oklahoma. He's a good dude but just can 1299 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,880 just not a not of the Bengals even the. 1300 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,960 Weather like it's it's ugly in the Midwest that time of year 1301 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,720 anyways, go go to Florida. Even the Chiefs. 1302 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,600 He makes more sense for the Chiefs than he does for the 1303 01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,000 Bengals that he does. Yeah, I think also with the 1304 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,280 advantage you have on him not going to the Bengals is, you 1305 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,440 know, this Bengals for an office like they don't know how to do 1306 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,680 contract restructures, like they never sign people to extensions. 1307 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,160 Like I don't, I don't trust them to like be able to get the money 1308 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,240 together to pay. Something. 1309 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,000 Becomes a free like, I don't think they've ever done like an 1310 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,960 offseason like that late in the offseason edition before. 1311 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,280 So I, I really thought about you the other day. 1312 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,720 I I was reading the comments of the Bengal the most of the 1313 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,920 Bengals training camp recap on the athletic just to see what 1314 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,360 people were saying about Moss and Brown and the entire comment 1315 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,920 stream was the fans being like this fucking front office does 1316 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,200 not understand contracts. Why would they not just pay 1317 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,640 Jamar Chase? Why are we acting like this is a 1318 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,000 family owned hardware store in 19? 1319 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:30,200 3. Like please can we just and we 1320 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,560 just figure this out? Well, here's a concern, how we 1321 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,200 consider they are not extending Jamar Chase because there is a 1322 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,360 potential soon to be free agent running back from Denver who 1323 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,240 wouldn't they got to make money for the Bengals. 1324 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,920 They got to make that money. Worse, they're saving. 1325 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,560 They're saving the T Higgins and Jamar Chase money for Samaj AP 1326 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,040 run. That's that's. 1327 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:52,480 True. Let's get here to some fallers. 1328 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,040 I think this is the most dramatic rise either way. 1329 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:59,160 Rising our falling ADP Kendra Miller down 15 spots. 1330 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:04,480 Pick 145 to 160 based on Dennis Allen, head coach of the Saints, 1331 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,760 basically saying that he needs to fight for a roster spot. 1332 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:12,120 He's so pissed off at Kendre for always being banged up. 1333 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,080 Start with you Kyle, as the guest. 1334 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,240 Is it? Is it Jover for Kendre Miller? 1335 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,960 Yeah, a minister over this guy. Dennis Allen hates this guy. 1336 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,280 And like, it's not like he's so good. 1337 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,080 Like, it's not like, Oh well, Kendry flashed so much as as a 1338 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,160 rookie, we. Was. 1339 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,400 Going to leave the candle on for him. 1340 01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:31,080 He didn't play as a rookie like and that was part of the reason 1341 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,280 why Dennis Allen hates him is he didn't play as a rookie. 1342 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,040 So yeah, like your coach tells, he's telling us he doesn't think 1343 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,040 you are on the field enough to make the roster. 1344 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:41,480 Cool. Done. 1345 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,280 Didn't need to hear anymore. Well, I if you want to hear 1346 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,520 more, he's talking glowingly about Taysom Hill. 1347 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,640 You guys. I mean, like Dennis Allen hasn't 1348 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,760 said a kind word about anybody all offseason on the Saints and 1349 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,880 he won't stop talking when they bring up Taysom Hill. 1350 01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,800 They're like, do you have a concrete plan for this guy? 1351 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,560 He's like the concrete plan is he's going to get the ball. 1352 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,720 That's the concrete plan. He's going to be back there. 1353 01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,840 Sometimes he'll pass the ball, Sometimes he's going to be 1354 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,080 running around. Sometimes he's running around 1355 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,560 from the backfield. Sometimes he's getting the 1356 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,920 handoffs from the backfield. Taysom Hills getting the ball. 1357 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,760 He's done everything we asked me to do and they asked about 1358 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,280 Kendry Miller. He's like, yes, hamstring got 1359 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,800 injured again and I don't even know if he's going to make the 1360 01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,760 team now. I've, I've never heard the 1361 01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,760 coach. I've never, I don't think I've 1362 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,360 ever heard a coach talk about a second year, third round rookie 1363 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,960 pick by being like, he's like talking to them. 1364 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,880 Like how about how I talk to my dynasty teams? 1365 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,120 He's like, you know, availability is the best 1366 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,200 availability. I mean, it's crazy to just be 1367 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,120 like, I'm done with him. I'm I'm done with this guy. 1368 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,800 Here's a note that Sacrilegious shared in our Discord for the 1369 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,840 rankings. Jordan Mints practicing ahead of 1370 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,200 Kendra Miller. Yeah, here. 1371 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,280 Here's another step. Learning. 1372 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:50,640 Jordan. Mints. 1373 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:51,960 I don't even know who. Jordan. 1374 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,600 Mints I don't. Either it was a name learner for 1375 01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:54,920 me. Yep, it's a name learner. 1376 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,640 No state with Ronnie Rivers together. 1377 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,640 Forgetting name learners, I mean this is this is bad. 1378 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,640 This is like doghouse guy who didn't play his rookie season. 1379 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,200 I, I mean, I think we like we're 10 spots behind ADP as we sit 1380 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,680 here right now and I'm like figuring out exactly. 1381 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,480 How much I, I'm just like, there's actually not even a 1382 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,600 price to yeah on these vibes. Like I'm taking, I'm taking 1383 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,840 Dylan Lauby over Kendra Miller. JK Dobbins or Kendra Miller. 1384 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,680 Oh JK Dobins, no. Question I I just after that 1385 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,200 whole conversation I just was on the clock in a slow draft. 1386 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,720 I just took Dobbins for like one of the first times like 3 1387 01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,760 minutes ago. But like Roshan Johnson or 1388 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,760 Kendra Miller. Roshan not going. 1389 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,400 Oh, Herbert. Yeah. 1390 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,320 Herbert, Elijah Mitchell, all those guys are so much. 1391 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,880 Will Shipley or Kendry Miller. Okay, that's a good line. 1392 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,040 That's a good. Line, I think that's where 1393 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,680 we're, yeah, we're in that range now. 1394 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,560 Yeah, here's another funny one. Okay, so week three. 1395 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:52,360 Last year both Kamara and Jamal Williams were out, unavailable 1396 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,680 to play. Who led? 1397 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,800 Kendra Miller was healthy, active. 1398 01:07:56,080 --> 01:08:01,280 Who led the team in SNAP? I I know this and it's not. 1399 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,920 It's so annoying that I'm. Making that Saints. 1400 01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,360 Saints Nepotism. Tony Jones. 1401 01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:07,240 Tony Jones, Tony. Jones. 1402 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,680 They trusted Tony Jones with the. 1403 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,680 Style. Let's go dig deep. 1404 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,560 That was crazy. Andre Miller. 1405 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,400 That's a blurber right there. That's a professional blurber. 1406 01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,160 Yeah, I think so. Kendra was hurt. 1407 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,240 I don't know even know if he was like hardly available for that 1408 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,359 game because he was hurt all last offseason too. 1409 01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:22,840 He. Played. 1410 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,399 Yeah, he played 33% of snaps in that game and then played in 1411 01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:28,960 week four after that, so I assume he's healthy. 1412 01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:30,319 Yeah, I don't know about healthy. 1413 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:31,880 He was active and then he hurt his ankle. 1414 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:35,200 But like, this is the problem. Even when he's active, not like, 1415 01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,399 I don't mean to be mean to the guy as well to he's got enough 1416 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,279 people being mean at him. But like, This is why Dennis 1417 01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,200 Allen doesn't like him and he got hurt again. 1418 01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,479 He had an ankle injury later in the year. 1419 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,080 Kendra, I thought, was a pretty intriguing prospect and there's 1420 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,920 a lot of opportunity there. But like, we just have to listen 1421 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,920 to the guy who's ultimately in charge of deciding whether or 1422 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,800 not he sees the field. Like disseminating how often he 1423 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,840 gets the ball. Yeah, it's because it's not like 1424 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,319 he's, you know, with some of the stuff like, hey, a guy's going 1425 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,399 to be out there. He's and he's like really 1426 01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:05,479 talented and he's flashed and it's like, is there a question 1427 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,439 of whether or not he'll be the one or the two? 1428 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,840 Like I'm willing to bet on that guy, You know, I just described 1429 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,840 Jalen Warren kind of thing. But if it's like, no, no, no, 1430 01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,120 he'll be the trusted backup because he's better than the 1431 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,319 coaches think. Like that is a dangerous bet. 1432 01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:20,960 Yep. Yeah. 1433 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,640 And the other side of this is Kamara, he's up a couple spots. 1434 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,760 I think that's just the other side of the coin of Kendra being 1435 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,240 down. People are reacting by putting 1436 01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,560 Kamara up a little bit. I think you guys on your ranking 1437 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,080 spot, Crane had a great conversation, Kamara. 1438 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,800 So I don't want to go into too much detail there. 1439 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:44,479 I will say, like in PPR sites, I am open to Kamara assuming he's 1440 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,640 around 60 to 70 like in certain builds. 1441 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,640 And the only reason for that is just like as bad as he looks in 1442 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,240 the efficiency metric, efficiency metrics, I think his 1443 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,520 role is like much safer than his age and declining efficiency 1444 01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,280 suggests just because of this team. 1445 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,440 And you can point to some positive notes with the new 1446 01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,120 coaching staff with Clint Kubiak coming over for San Francisco. 1447 01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:12,160 He did a really good job of scheming up Christian McCaffrey 1448 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,600 with pre snap motion lining him up in the slot, you know, in San 1449 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,880 Francisco if you give him any credit for the Shanahan stuff 1450 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,640 over there there. So I just think like it's ugly, 1451 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,440 it's disgusting. But in PPR, like there is a 1452 01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:27,000 ceiling with Kamara at the right price. 1453 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,560 I'm not so sure about 100% PPR, but. 1454 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,560 I would never say this before the hour mark of this show, but 1455 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,920 I have taken Kamara a couple times. 1456 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,160 Yeah, I mean, I've taken him a couple times. 1457 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:39,800 I think it's a. Terrible pick. 1458 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,080 And I think it's likely to be one of those things where I 1459 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,800 like, I got a team through to the semifinals and I'm like 1460 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,760 frantically checking if the team is any good. 1461 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,000 And I see that Kamara is one of my running backs. 1462 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,080 And I'm like, well, you know, you just had to diversify, you 1463 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,920 idiot. You could have just taken a good 1464 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,640 player instead, you know? But I am taking him a little. 1465 01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,800 Bit I mean he had he had 18 PPR points a game last year, more 1466 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,880 than most are a chain grease hall. 1467 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:07,520 At some point you just got to like say it's not that bad a 1468 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,360 pick at cost, especially in PPR like. 1469 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,640 Well, just always remember what they took from us. 1470 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:14,880 You know, Taysom could be eligible at tight end on 1471 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,520 underdog and they the the deep state shut it down so. 1472 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,240 Yeah. Honestly I don't know man, I owe 1473 01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:27,080 it on underdog but I but what if Taysom goes back to tight end at 1474 01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:30,920 on on FFPC? Well The thing is is he 1475 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,840 specifically is so much less valuable in a format that 1476 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,280 rewards extra points to tight it. 1477 01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,480 Like obviously he's still, you still want him on the way more. 1478 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,760 Easy. But I mean, but, but he's not 1479 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,120 going to have that many receptions. 1480 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,320 Taysom's value is all touchdown related. 1481 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,000 He's a running. Can we all just come together 1482 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,400 and list Taysom as a running back please? 1483 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,720 Yeah, he, he is literally a running back. 1484 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,400 I, I I don't know why. Like sometimes you got to 1485 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,080 optimize for fun listening to the tight end. 1486 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:55,640 It's kind of. Fun. 1487 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,520 Listening as a quarterback is no fun at all. 1488 01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,080 Yeah, no, I mean that's. The that's the only. 1489 01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,680 Yeah, yeah, let's have a little. I I had a I'm trying. 1490 01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:02,920 To bring the people together, you know? 1491 01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,200 Sam, real quick before we move on, I had a commenter open my 1492 01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,240 3rd, 4th and 5th eyes on on YouTube. 1493 01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,680 The tweaks Oh. Shit, guys, this is the most so 1494 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,160 you know, like the Saints list him as quarterbacks basically to 1495 01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,800 cheat. It's like, you know, so listen 1496 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,720 to this shit. You guys are not the commenter 1497 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,800 was like, what if their way of cheating doesn't have anything 1498 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,080 to do with the third quarterback emergency rule? 1499 01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,720 What if it's to have another guy on the field who's got the mic 1500 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,680 in his helmet? Oh, is that legal? 1501 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:35,480 What? Yeah, I was. 1502 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:36,560 I don't know. I don't. 1503 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,400 Know, I don't think that's. What happens? 1504 01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:39,680 Very not. But what if? 1505 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,760 Have you thought about it? Because we don't know. 1506 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,960 But I'm saying it's, I'm saying I don't think. 1507 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,680 We'll look into the the mic. Rolls. 1508 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,400 There's one guy with the mic. I don't think you're allowed to 1509 01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,120 just like put right? Well, wouldn't all the 1510 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,520 quarterbacks have the functionality in their helmets? 1511 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,680 I don't. No, I guess it's literally not 1512 01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,560 allowed to wear the helmet. All right, all right. 1513 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,600 Only one green dot per team on the fields, says Nez. 1514 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,520 All right. My third eye was open and you 1515 01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,120 guys closed it. Close, close that 5th eye. 1516 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,440 That 5th eye doesn't need to be open. 1517 01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:09,560 It's it's. Closed. 1518 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,040 Can they switch? It can they switch it back and 1519 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,040 forth between car and taste them depending on the play the play 1520 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,560 call yes they. Probably. 1521 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,040 Yeah, probably. And maybe there's a little 1522 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,560 toggle in there, you know they. Turn Yeah, they taste some 1523 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,560 toggle. They taste some toggle. 1524 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,120 Also notice. There's just a little switch 1525 01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,080 that says this. Is the team that is caught for 1526 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,040 cheating though This is the same organization that is on the 1527 01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,360 record as getting punished for cheating. 1528 01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,880 I like the the ideas that, Oh yeah, we're comfortable 1529 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,720 cheating, but we still have to listen as a quarterback, like we 1530 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:42,680 don't want to go that far. Yeah, Thank you. 1531 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,680 Thank you, Scott. I'm I'm trying desperately here. 1532 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,800 Yeah, this train is long off the rails. 1533 01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,840 Yeah, yeah, Ch, we got to talk about him. 1534 01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,960 This this was, I think, like some of the most concrete news 1535 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,280 of the last two weeks that it is not an open and shut case for 1536 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,440 the she's running back two jobs. And Eric Prince has been, I 1537 01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:07,080 think pretty consistently taking snaps for the first team before 1538 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,200 CEH. Now, CEH has still been taking 1539 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:13,200 snaps for the first team, but it has been prints first, according 1540 01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,600 to reports. We'll kick it to our Chiefs 1541 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,720 correspondent Davis Maddock, who looks like he's trying to screen 1542 01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,040 share something. Davis, what's your? 1543 01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,360 Bring the screen share in. These are these are these are 1544 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,480 the generic prints comps. Let's stop would stop when we've 1545 01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:29,960 heard of someone. Let's just stop when we've 1546 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,240 heard. Of someone Marshawn Lloyd. 1547 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,520 Marshawn Lloyd. All right, We've got one guy 1548 01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,440 that we can comp him to. Did. 1549 01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:37,840 You put the draft capital in here or not? 1550 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:39,960 There is. None 00. 1551 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:41,600 Wow, it'd. Be zero. 1552 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,720 Can you give him? 80 Let's give him the same 80 as 1553 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,920 as we gave what's. That you know what that's a good 1554 01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,040 that's a good bit. So let's just let's just do 1555 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,280 that. That is Karina. 1556 01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,880 I like that some other guys. Oh. 1557 01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:57,160 God, some other bad players. Bad players. 1558 01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,920 I have heard of Damien Harris. Damien Harris. 1559 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,160 Is Amir White? Amir White. 1560 01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,800 Niall Davis was honestly railroaded. 1561 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,120 Now Davis could have been a good. 1562 01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:07,840 Now Davis could have been a good NFL player. 1563 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,840 He got railroaded this. Is love man I I've drafted. 1564 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:11,920 Same. Same. 1565 01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:12,920 Honestly, same. Oh. 1566 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,240 That one hurt. Ryquil Armstead was gonna be 1567 01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,080 James Robinson before he got COVID, people. 1568 01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:22,000 Before he got long COVID, yeah. This is what I say a ton of I 1569 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,000 mean. Christine Michael is the the cop 1570 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,800 I've heard floated in the ether for generic. 1571 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,800 Christine Michael is why I'm not a tape guy. 1572 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,640 Basically cuz that guy no one has ever looked better to me on 1573 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:31,600 tape. Because I. 1574 01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:33,680 Was like I better stick to the stats. 1575 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:40,200 I'll I'll just say this. I think the reports are to me, 1576 01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,360 like consistent enough that it's real that like they probably are 1577 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,480 planning on having Prince be their second running back. 1578 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,360 But also we did do this last year and they got into games and 1579 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,080 Prince stunk so bad in pre season. 1580 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,200 Like was whiffing on every pass block. 1581 01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:58,240 Like could not gain a yard. Like it was really bad. 1582 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:04,480 And that would vibe with what he did at Tulsa University, where 1583 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:08,120 he was unable to significantly outproduce guys named Steven 1584 01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,440 Anderson, Shamari Brooks, Like, like, like to the point that he 1585 01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,880 I don't believe he ever LED his college team in rushing, which 1586 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,960 is weird. But yeah, I, I mean, I think, I 1587 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,160 think we, we are all familiar with a running back guy who's 1588 01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,800 not a prospect. But then it just doesn't matter 1589 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,640 because he ends up in a favorable situation. 1590 01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,320 This could very much be an Eric Prince I. 1591 01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,600 Mean that was literally. I mean, that was Erica's client. 1592 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,640 But and Pacheco and Pacheco at least was like the leader of his 1593 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,000 team. It's just that the team was so 1594 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:40,560 bad, right? It was like slightly. 1595 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,040 Different. A real a real ball melting 1596 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:45,320 situation, if you will. Yeah, I mean his his college 1597 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,400 profile I thought was pretty bad, but then he had the the 1598 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,240 four three speed and lands on the chiefs. 1599 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,280 And so you're kind of just be like, I guess maybe. 1600 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,520 And then obviously it's been a it's been a smash. 1601 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:57,240 But yeah, I don't know. I mean, Prince just not being Ch 1602 01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,320 has made me intrigued. Like you're not Ch and you're 1603 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,800 running ahead of Ch so but it sounds like because I was going 1604 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:09,600 to ask if this, the fact that CEH looked like a locked in two 1605 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,720 made Pacheco look like more of a target to me. 1606 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,160 If it's anyone but CEHI, get a little more nervous about 1607 01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,840 Pacheco. But if you're what you're saying 1608 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,440 about Prince makes me less nervous about Pacheco. 1609 01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,440 I I. Think cut him last year. 1610 01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:27,760 He is definitively probably not good at NFL football. 1611 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:28,520 We just. Don't know. 1612 01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,560 I mean he was a UDFA, didn't make the team his rookie season, 1613 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,080 then he gets brought back. He's the number 2. 1614 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,440 That guy could be good. I don't know, UDFA didn't make 1615 01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:37,000 him as a rookie sounds. Bad. 1616 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,160 Yeah, that that part sounds bad. But then if he gets brought back 1617 01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,560 and is the number 2. No, dude, they were playing 1618 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,040 Lamichael. They played Lamichael P Ryan 1619 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,200 over him in a playoff game. I I I'm wondering if I'm 1620 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:53,280 wondering if maybe this is? It does feel like a SIOP generic 1621 01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,080 Prince feels like a bit of a it does. 1622 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,480 SIOP, yeah, it's been. Two years in a row of this. 1623 01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,440 And they're doing all the the Tony at running back Roshi Rice 1624 01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:05,360 is getting carries. Like to me that that sounds like 1625 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,560 we have one good running back we like and our cap situation is so 1626 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,600 miserable. We literally would, just like we 1627 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,320 can't bring in a veteran and pay him $3.2 million. 1628 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:16,760 Yeah. He's the only reason Ronald 1629 01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:17,880 Johnson get brought back. Exactly. 1630 01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,640 Yeah, I think he is he not on the the practice squad he. 1631 01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:22,880 Might. There's no way, no. 1632 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:24,880 No, we would have heard that name. 1633 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,240 So my take on this in terms of like actionability and and how 1634 01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:32,000 you play it is I, I don't want to take either of them right 1635 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,080 now. Like if I, if I was like gun to 1636 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,640 my head, maybe 20th rounded DraftKings, like Trey Sermon's 1637 01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:42,240 gone, Tank Bigsby's gone. I think I'm still going CEH over 1638 01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,840 prints but it's like. Well, that's that's close. 1639 01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,000 You can't do that anymore. People are taking prints now. 1640 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:50,600 Yeah, but I don't know, man. Like it. 1641 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,800 It just feels like I think the Chiefs kind of know what they 1642 01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,640 have in CEH and they just kind of want to like try out these 1643 01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,840 other guys. To see that's how I've evaluated 1644 01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,280 it. Yeah, that's how I did. 1645 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,040 I was evaluating it that way, but now I'm starting to think 1646 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,240 it's just print. He keeps rotating in a head like 1647 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,360 seems like he's like, it's not like chapter is getting his days 1648 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,960 and then Prince is getting his days and then they're trying 1649 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,920 someone else out. Like, I think that's still 1650 01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,560 possible, but I. How many days I want to say 1651 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,880 Prince being the number 2 until he just is the number 2 would be 1652 01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,280 the question that you're toeing around because like, yeah, sure, 1653 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,680 one or two times. Let's see what we have in 1654 01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,320 Prince. Three or four, five or six, two 1655 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,840 weeks. It's week four and we're like 1656 01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,600 they'll bring Chapter and is the RB2. 1657 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,720 Soon enough, the playoff stretch comes around. 1658 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,520 Like there is a number of days in which I will believe Prince 1659 01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,320 is just clearly the RB2 and given how bad Chapter is, that 1660 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,680 number should kind of be low. Then Eric Prince or Kendry 1661 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:48,400 Miller Prince. Oh God, probably Prince. 1662 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:49,920 Yeah, it's Prince. Yeah. 1663 01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:56,520 Ronald Jones No, Kadari's Tony. Kadari's Tony's really my answer 1664 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,880 to this question. And I don't care, don't care. 1665 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:02,480 I think they're, I think they're serious about it. 1666 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,720 I, I, I really think they are going to be like, we just got to 1667 01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,720 get something out of this guy. Chiefs RB2, certainly still 1668 01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,800 worth monitoring. That's like the number, not 1669 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,600 number one, but one of the top 10 things I want to see in 1670 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,080 preseason. See how that shakes out? 1671 01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:19,040 I just pulled up Kedarius Tony and I have a note in my rankings 1672 01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,920 and the note I think must be from last year. 1673 01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:26,320 It says try to stay at 6% at most. 1674 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,440 Good note. Right about that's right about 1675 01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:31,920 where I'm going to. That's right about. 1676 01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,640 Tony, yeah, Tony last year was, I mean, that's the the Jameson 1677 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,560 Williams memorial pick, Kadarius Tony in the seventh round last 1678 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,960 year. Let's talk about Ricky Pearsall. 1679 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,680 He's down seven spots. He was on the NFI list. 1680 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,440 I think if I remember correctly he was activated off that maybe 1681 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,640 a couple hours ago. Yeah, literally today. 1682 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,640 So I expect this to be a temporary dip. 1683 01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:05,040 But yeah, curious Crane, what's like the what's the stance on 1684 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,560 pure Sol now? I know we've talked about him a 1685 01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,760 bit earlier in the offseason. Are you still bullish on him at, 1686 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,200 you know, this price? You know you were when he was 1687 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,240 more expensive, so I assume you still are. 1688 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,360 Yeah. I mean, I don't think pure Sol 1689 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:21,080 is like you got to got to get him, but I do think he's a 1690 01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:25,800 pretty good pick in a format where you're trying to marry 1691 01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,840 floor and ceiling. Is Pierce all going to, you 1692 01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:33,280 know, make the team 100% his first round pick, right? 1693 01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,880 Is he going to like be kind of the next man up if there was an 1694 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,360 injury, Like I think pretty clearly would have would have a 1695 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,480 role if there was an injury to any of these other guys, Is 1696 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:44,600 there a chance that he gets scheme stuff throughout the 1697 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,360 season? Yeah, He was their first round 1698 01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,520 pick. So you've got like a floor of, 1699 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,920 you know, he could do some interesting stuff. 1700 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,320 You have the ceiling of contingency. 1701 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,280 I don't think IU gets traded. I think that's a very low 1702 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,480 probability. But I mean, obviously if that 1703 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,520 were to happen, pure Sol's stock shoots way, way up. 1704 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,040 So if you're getting them in around like 150, I just think 1705 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,480 it's hard to see exactly how it plays out. 1706 01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,800 But it's in retrospect not going to be that difficult to be like, 1707 01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,320 oh, right, Kyle Shanahan's first round receiver who gets open in 1708 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:20,960 the intermediate part of the field and is good after the 1709 01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:24,640 catch, was a good pick at 1:50. So I'm trying to just like. 1710 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,720 Zoom, you know both exactly how it beats you and why it's the 1711 01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,320 dumbest pick imaginable. Like on on both hands, you're 1712 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,560 like Ricky Pearsall hand up. I lost, I get it. 1713 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,120 And I had 70% Ricky Pearsall and he had zero score. 1714 01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,400 But weeks, I get it. You know that's the way she 1715 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:41,400 goes. Right. 1716 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,680 Yeah. But I mean, it's cheap enough, 1717 01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,360 right? I just think I'm I'm, I'm like 1718 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,760 13% Pierce all. I'm not, he's not like a huge, 1719 01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,080 huge part of My Portfolio, but I I just I'm like, yeah, I'm going 1720 01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,720 to, I'm going to be overweight. A first round pick at this 1721 01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:57,840 price. Yeah. 1722 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,320 Kyle, is there leg up rankings team consensus here on Pierce 1723 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:03,680 all or what are your thoughts on him? 1724 01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,000 Yeah, I mean, that's how that's where I'm at with him. 1725 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,920 It it's kind of like a different flavor of like the Xavier 1726 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,680 leggette. Yeah, man, I didn't like his 1727 01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,680 profile. He can't get separation or 1728 01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,680 training camp. I post all this stuff in the leg 1729 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:15,880 up this court and like, should we move him down? 1730 01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,760 I'm like, Nope, it's fine. We should still draft him. 1731 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,560 Like the end of the day when you can get players who the NFL in 1732 01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,720 mass thought was extremely talented and are young, super 1733 01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,960 cheap, you kind of just got to take your medicine even if 1734 01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,000 you're like, I don't like Xavier Leggette. 1735 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,040 I don't think Ricky Pearsall is going to play much. 1736 01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,400 It's as Karine said, it's not easy to see how you win. 1737 01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,760 But looking back in retrospect, be like, oh, Debo Debo, never 1738 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,680 healthy. He tweaked his ankle, and Ricky 1739 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,400 Pearsall played a bunch. Yeah, that, as it turns out, 1740 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:45,680 makes sense. Something like that. 1741 01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:46,400 But. Here's one way. 1742 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,480 Small out, small percentage chances that all add up to where 1743 01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:52,440 Ricky Pearsall's probably just a good bet it cost. 1744 01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,520 Here's one way to think about why Pearsall I think is a good 1745 01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,400 pick in redraft. Is Pearsall a good pick? 1746 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,760 No. He's going to, you're going to, 1747 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,280 he's a roster clogger. You're going to hold him 1748 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,000 forever. You're going to, you're going to 1749 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,080 need to turn that spot, right? But he's like. 1750 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,400 A you're going to have you're going to have the worst debates 1751 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,600 with your Co managers too about whether you should cut them or 1752 01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:13,840 not. Like it's going to waste hours 1753 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,000 of your life. Sam week two is going to give us 1754 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,800 his route participation and tell us that we can't we can't be 1755 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:23,840 drafted, but we going to have you know, when we get to this 1756 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,760 part of the draft in best ball, you can start to think about who 1757 01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,640 which players are likely to be the biggest priority waiver wire 1758 01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,440 ads over the course of the season. 1759 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,960 And Pierce All is at the very top of that list of a guy that 1760 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,760 you could see if things break right. 1761 01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:46,440 People spending $400.00 in FFPC, $500 to get Pierce All so. 1762 01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,080 Absolutely. As a non running back like 1763 01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:53,680 that's that's not super common. So that's where I talk about the 1764 01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:57,760 floor of like, yes, it's probably in a lot of cases he 1765 01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,080 doesn't really do anything for you. 1766 01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,920 So in that sense the floor isn't that great. 1767 01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:06,000 But like he he is a good bet to be relevant over the course of 1768 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,840 an entire season. And when we're trying to fill 1769 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:13,280 our roster with, you know, non zeros taking shots on those 1770 01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,160 guys, we think like, man, this guy could be like the waiver 1771 01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,720 wire out of the season in an in a locked roster format is kind 1772 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,840 of interesting. Yeah, I agree with all that on 1773 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,720 pure Sol. I think, yeah, pick 150. 1774 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,080 I think he's definitely a good pick. 1775 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,520 I just say like, maybe pay attention to what type of wide 1776 01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,440 receiver room you have at that point. 1777 01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:34,960 I think there's certain builds where he makes a ton of sense. 1778 01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,240 If you already have a lot of solid, you know, veteran wide 1779 01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,000 receivers that project for a lot of routes, I think pure Sol is a 1780 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:45,160 great addition. If you maybe have a rookie heavy 1781 01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,680 wide receiver start, maybe you have some more like question 1782 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,600 mark guys like Jamieson Williams, stuff like that. 1783 01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,560 You need more stability. You might want to look 1784 01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,880 elsewhere, but again, yeah, pick 150. 1785 01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,280 It it seems like the price is certainly right there for 1786 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,120 Beersall. Let's talk here. 1787 01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,640 Calvin Ridley. He I I don't want to attribute 1788 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,400 too much of his fall to news. I think this is sort of just 1789 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,720 like a market trend overall. You see Christian Kirk also on 1790 01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,600 this list, Terry Mclaurin also on this list, kind of the mid 1791 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,240 range wide receivers across the board are moving down a couple 1792 01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,840 spots as probably more casual running back heavy drafters get 1793 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,880 on the platform. I did want to have a little bit 1794 01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,520 of a Ridley discussion here. I know like kind of the 1795 01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,360 consensus amongst our bubble is that we're out on Ridley. 1796 01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,320 Start with you, Kyle. Like, is there a point, you 1797 01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,600 know, he's only fallen two spots here, but is there a point maybe 1798 01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,680 in the 60s or 70s where you're more interested in him or what's 1799 01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,560 your overall stance on on how to play this fall for Ridley? 1800 01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,320 Like you said, the fall isn't enough. 1801 01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:50,480 It's a few spots and like, I just think DeAndre Hopkins like 1802 01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,000 a meaningfully better pick because I think he's a 1803 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,440 meaningfully better player. Hopkins was really good last 1804 01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:55,760 year. And Ridley, maybe you want to 1805 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,760 say it was scheme. Maybe you want to say it was the 1806 01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,080 having not played football in a very long time. 1807 01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,000 But that also means he hasn't been like meaningfully good in a 1808 01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,600 long time. He wasn't terrible last year, 1809 01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,480 but he looked like a team's, like he should be a team's 1810 01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:10,440 distant #2 receiver. Like he did not look like he's 1811 01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:11,960 capable of being a team's number one. 1812 01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,440 DeAndre Hopkins looked like a certified stud #1 on a really 1813 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:19,280 bad team. So to me, he's I, I doubt he 1814 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,040 falls to a place where I ever think like I'm going to be 1815 01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:26,040 drafting even 8% of him. You know, if he falls 6 spots, 1816 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,280 the amount of him I have will go up. 1817 01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,400 But he's so far from where I think he is a meaningfully good 1818 01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,880 pick, or at least a meaningfully average pick that it, it's going 1819 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,880 to be real tough for me. And he's just going to almost 1820 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,960 certainly be a player I leave the summer with as a fade. 1821 01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,880 Yeah, I generally agree that Ridley is a fade. 1822 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,400 I did want to dive in a little bit to the Ridley versus Hopkins 1823 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,560 discussion because I think a lot of it comes down to you look at 1824 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,760 Ridley versus Hopkins stats last year and Hopkins targets for 1825 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,280 Outrun was a lot higher. I do just want to point out that 1826 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,800 these are the guys that were on the field when DeAndre Hopkins 1827 01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,000 is running routes. It was Chega Conquo, Nick 1828 01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,560 Westbrook, a Keen, Treylin Burks, Chris Moore, like all 1829 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:12,480 these other wide receivers were sub 14% targets for route run 1830 01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:14,000 guys. And again, this is a little bit 1831 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,360 circular. Like you could argue that's 1832 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,000 because DeAndre Hopkins is so good, or you could argue it's 1833 01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,480 because those guys are so bad. But I think it's pretty 1834 01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:23,520 undeniable. Calvin Ridley still at 20% 1835 01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,760 targets were out around like, I think that's pretty solid, but 1836 01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,800 he did have much stiffer competition in Evan Ingram, 1837 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,760 Christian Kirk, Zay Jones and like those guys are world 1838 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,040 beaters, but they're certainly just like way, way better wide 1839 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,600 receivers than what Hopkins had to deal with. 1840 01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:42,120 So again, I, I think like I, I think Ridley and Hopkins should 1841 01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,080 be priced like side by side and they're not. 1842 01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,200 So I do agree with you guys that Hopkins is the better pick at 1843 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,920 ADP. I'm just not entirely sold that 1844 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,560 the book is shot that Hopkins is a better wide receiver than 1845 01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,920 Ridley. Also, last year, like Ridley was 1846 01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,280 asked to line up on the outside on the line of scrimmage, like 1847 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,680 for much higher percentage of his routes than even Hopkins 1848 01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,520 was. So the offense was not like 1849 01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:09,000 schemed around him in a friendly way. 1850 01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:13,200 And and maybe it is this year in Tennessee, but yeah, I just want 1851 01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,440 to show that side of things. And I think that the targets 1852 01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:18,440 were outrun stuff on these guys last year is like a little bit 1853 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,160 misleading when you just look at the the raw numbers I. 1854 01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,680 Mean it makes sense. I just, I think Ridley is 1855 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,320 overpriced, although I did, I did actually get him on a team 1856 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,040 the other day, open up a slow draft and he was still there at 1857 01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,400 like pick 73 or whatever. So he finally was where I had 1858 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,200 him ranked and I was like, sure, whatever. 1859 01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:43,000 I'll I'll, I'll take you. But to me he should be going 1860 01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:48,200 after Hopkins and a Doonese and he doesn't. 1861 01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,120 So I'll that. After, like, Deonte Johnson, 1862 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:55,720 Yeah, you know. No, this might seem crazy but I 1863 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,680 actually have more optimism that Levis is him than I do Bryce 1864 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,240 Young. I think Bryce Young's him 1865 01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:07,720 percentages are like sub .05%. I think Lev I mean we we did 1866 01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:11,000 this on the show last week. Like the Bortle season from 1867 01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:16,000 Levis is so tantalizing that I I find myself selling it like I 1868 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,120 just am. Like man, really might happen. 1869 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,480 Yeah, or even like a Trubisky season, like a but like a fun, 1870 01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:24,960 fun bus season I'm with. Fun bus season. 1871 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,560 I think Levis has fun bus seasons in in him for sure. 1872 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,640 Bryce does not. Bryce probably doesn't, but I 1873 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:37,280 think he has, you know, feeds a number one season seasons in him 1874 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:41,880 and you know, like, could he be like could Bryce kind of be like 1875 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,200 an Andy Dalton type where he just get starting to get the 1876 01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,200 ball out? I think he could probably could 1877 01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:47,440 do that. It's not going to be that fun 1878 01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:49,200 for Bryce, but it could be really good for Deonte. 1879 01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,760 I'm starting to come around on Deonte as the coach speaks been 1880 01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,800 really, really bullish on, you know, him being the number one 1881 01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,960 guy, which was I wasn't 100% sold on when they brought him 1882 01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:01,240 in. Like is he going to get fed 1883 01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,920 targets the way he's always been fed targets in Pittsburgh? 1884 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,360 And it seems like the answer is yes there. 1885 01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:09,920 So Ridley, to me, like Sam, I think your argument on Hopkins 1886 01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,480 is convincing. As far as the targets per outrun 1887 01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:15,160 goes, I still like him a lot because the routes are going to 1888 01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,920 go up so much. So you get a drop in targets per 1889 01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:18,040 outrun. We get a lot more routes. 1890 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,360 We know he can produce with this quarterback, which is nice given 1891 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,040 that the quarterback is not very good. 1892 01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,240 We're hoping, we're like literally saying I hope he's 1893 01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:28,360 Mitch Travisky. So that's obviously not that 1894 01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:33,720 great, but but Ridley's the guy like he's going like, I don't 1895 01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:38,560 know is does this is this target competition that much weaker? 1896 01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,400 Hopkins can earn targets clearly. 1897 01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:45,640 And Tyler Boyd is, I don't know, like is he an Evan Ingram level 1898 01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:47,080 target earner as a wide receiver? 1899 01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,720 I mean, if Boyd had, Boyd had tight end eligibility, if Boyd 1900 01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:52,560 had tight end eligibility, we'd just be. 1901 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,560 Interested. No, no, wrong. 1902 01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,960 And you would be. You would be slamming the button 1903 01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:03,040 on Tyler Boyd's projection. There we go. 1904 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,800 There we go. I mean. 1905 01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,360 Evan Ingram had 114 receptions last year. 1906 01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,040 What did Tyler Boyd have like 50? 1907 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,400 50 receptions, let me tell you. In yards per out run behind just 1908 01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,240 ahead of Elijah Moore, Nick Westbrook, a teenage but. 1909 01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,080 Where would he be at? Where would he be at amongst 1910 01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,400 tight ends in yards per out run? Probably that's still bad. 1911 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,240 Sure. The other thing for Ridley that 1912 01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,240 again, like I'm just calibrating to how I hear people in like our 1913 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,400 bubble talk about him where it seems like Ridley's the worst 1914 01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,040 pick on the board. The other like sort of positive 1915 01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:39,440 thing for him is that I think the Titans are one of the teams 1916 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:43,160 that's going to have the biggest increases in rate of pre snap 1917 01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,160 motion from last year to this year. 1918 01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,480 Like Rabel's offenses were not running any pre snap motion to 1919 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:51,360 bring over Brian Callahan from Cincinnati. 1920 01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:52,600 It's actually really interesting. 1921 01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:56,360 If you look at the Jake Browning offense compared to the Joe 1922 01:32:56,360 --> 01:33:00,680 Burrow offense, there was a huge increase in rates of motion and 1923 01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,560 they basically schemed like Jake Browning to be a top ten 1924 01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:06,560 quarterback by EPA for play. People. 1925 01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,760 People. Forget Danny Carter doesn't 1926 01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:09,960 forget. Yeah, Danny. 1927 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,880 Carter does not. Forget and I think that was like 1928 01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,800 fully scheme, but I think we have to give Callahan like a lot 1929 01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,040 of credit for that and the way he's talked the way he's talked 1930 01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:20,840 about Ridley now this these are Callahan's words. 1931 01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,800 You're looking at a very similar role that Tamar chase played in 1932 01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,720 terms of Ridleys ability to move around the formation, use them 1933 01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:29,200 in motion. I think people took that quote 1934 01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,360 and railed on it 'cause they're like Ridley in the. 1935 01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,440 Show, I think they took that quote and ran with it. 1936 01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,920 I mean, that's the only reason to be drafting him where he's 1937 01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,360 going. Exactly, but I don't think it's 1938 01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,520 like, again, I think this this pre snap motion stuff is is 1939 01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,600 fairly important. And the fact that the head 1940 01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,520 coach, again, that was very successful and using pre snap 1941 01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,960 motion in Cincinnati is talking about Ridley like that. 1942 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:55,120 I do think they have a vision for him and scheming up touches, 1943 01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,920 not using him the way he was used in Jacksonville where he's 1944 01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,680 just lined up X wide receiver. Go beat your man deep. 1945 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,480 Like that's how Ridley was used last year. 1946 01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,800 I think it's just going to be way different. 1947 01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,280 So using last year's stats is just like, not quite the right 1948 01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,120 way to look at Ridley this year in my opinion. 1949 01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:15,280 I mean O OK but like if you're using last year's stats like he 1950 01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,200 should be like a 9th or 10th round pick. 1951 01:34:17,480 --> 01:34:20,080 Yeah, well use his 2022 stats. Is there anything we could? 1952 01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,200 Oh no, he didn't play football like we well, 20/21. 1953 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,880 He hardly played football then. Again though, like was it last 1954 01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:31,560 year he had what, like five or six games of 20 plus PPR points? 1955 01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,200 Like he was a good spike week player. 1956 01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:36,920 He led the league in yardage on defensive pass interference. 1957 01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:37,880 You know that. He obviously doesn't. 1958 01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:42,800 I get credit for statistically like I don't know, I'm just, I 1959 01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:46,600 don't really buy the argument that he was that bad last year. 1960 01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,040 Rachel says Judy is a better pick than Ridley. 1961 01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,560 Like that's on it. Like if we're just looking at, 1962 01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,600 if we're not baking in optimism around, you know, he's in a he's 1963 01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,320 in the Jamar Chase role and he's actually still really good from 1964 01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:03,040 2020 stats and all this stuff. Like that's where we're talking 1965 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,960 about him. You know, I think to me, we're 1966 01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,360 paying a pretty big premium on the optimism. 1967 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,840 If we just look at like the profile, what he's done when he 1968 01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,760 did it and what he's done recently, he really should be 1969 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,040 going around Judy. Now. 1970 01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,560 I'm not saying like we shouldn't bake in any of the optimism, but 1971 01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:22,240 it to me it seems more than priced in, like way more than 1972 01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,120 priced in. Yeah, I mean, the guys who beat 1973 01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,120 him in yards per outrun, I get like he was competing with 1974 01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:28,800 meaningfully better target competition. 1975 01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,680 Like that was a a pretty good team in terms like the depth of 1976 01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:33,600 guys. But it's like Adam Thielen, 1977 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:37,400 Tyler Lockett, Jerry Judy, Courtland Sutton, favorite of 1978 01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:41,640 the show, T Higgins, DeMarcus Robinson, like he's in a list of 1979 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,280 just total. They're not bad. 1980 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,360 Like I don't think those guys are bad at football, but they're 1981 01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:48,600 like true number two and three receivers. 1982 01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,960 And now his quarterback, the median outcome for his 1983 01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,320 quarterback, 'cause he's like really bad second round pick. 1984 01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:54,680 You look bad. Right. 1985 01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,280 Yeah, but but I just think like the yards for route one was 1986 01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,520 Ridley like he had to be top seven in the NFL and routes last 1987 01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:02,840 year. So like you're kind of a little 1988 01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:04,640 bit counting a volume set against him. 1989 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:09,320 And again, just like games of more than 20 PPO points last 1990 01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:15,560 year at a game of 24 of 21 of 31202623. 1991 01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:19,240 Like I would guess there's only five other wide receivers in the 1992 01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,880 league last year that had 6 plus games of, you know, over 20 PPR 1993 01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,720 points a game. So at some point I'm just like a 1994 01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:28,960 little bit skeptical of like counting the yards for route 1995 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,960 route against him. Like you add in the defensive 1996 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:35,040 pass, interference yardage and. I think we might have looked 1997 01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,920 back forward into how we're wrong about Ridley, which is 1998 01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:43,800 that he just literally runs about 97% of the routes he run. 1999 01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,960 Like because because Nick Westbrook, Akane and and all 2000 01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,680 these other guys are like literally so brutal. 2001 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:56,280 So they just they throw the ball 577 times and Ridley generates, 2002 01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:00,520 I don't know, you know, 187 targets on those throws or 2003 01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,720 something like it's just, it's just insane. 2004 01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,880 I was. Like we just said that last 2005 01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,680 year, we're penalizing him because he ran so many routes. 2006 01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,680 That's why he wasn't efficient. But now what if he ran a lot of 2007 01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,040 routes? Hear me out well. 2008 01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:14,280 If you could just duplicate. Like yeah, I'm just saying like 2009 01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:18,120 results based last year, like Calvin Ridley was a better asset 2010 01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:20,600 to your team than like Jalen Waddle just in terms of like 2011 01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:24,360 percentage of times he he hits 20 plus points in your roster 2012 01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:27,920 and like. That's an Infowars ass, yeah. 2013 01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,320 I know, but like, yeah. You're shocked you didn't have 2014 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,560 that chart already made. Just clicked the real the real 2015 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:37,560 miss one. The, the, the thing I will say 2016 01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:41,800 about Ridley is like, I don't in an environment where like if we 2017 01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:46,080 were to get a, a hit on a wide receiver in the sixth round or 2018 01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,600 the fifth round, it would be very valuable because they're 2019 01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,200 hard to find. I think, you know, like all 2020 01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,720 these guys are probably a little overpriced. 2021 01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:54,920 Ridley, I think is very overpriced, but it's not like he 2022 01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,560 can't do it. And if he does it, it's going to 2023 01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,440 have a big impact on your teams. So it makes me nervous to be 2024 01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:04,480 this far out on Ridley. Like I can see him burning me, 2025 01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,040 but it's still just really difficult for me to click on 2026 01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:11,720 this guy where I'm like the like the type of arguments you're 2027 01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,920 making, Sam, are like the types of things we normally reserve 2028 01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:18,600 for double digit round picks for at least and sometimes for like 2029 01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,200 last round picks. Like, you know, this is like, 2030 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,280 hey, this guy might have a little juice left. 2031 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,080 Like don't give up on him completely. 2032 01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:28,080 Like this is an expensive player for us to be talking about 2033 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,480 adding back in defensive pass interference yardage. 2034 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:32,480 Like I don't really want to hear about that in round 5. 2035 01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,000 I mean tell me the 18th round picks that had 6 plus games of 2036 01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:37,880 20 PPR? I'm just saying I don't like 2037 01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,120 you're talking about DPI yardage in round five. 2038 01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:42,760 Like that is a lot. That is a lot to pay. 2039 01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:46,200 I'll admit the DPI yardage I probably shouldn't that that 2040 01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:47,080 looks bad in. Retrospect. 2041 01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:48,840 That's you. That's you doing a bit. 2042 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,200 But I mean, yeah, I don't know, man. 2043 01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,680 Again, like, this is just classic me playing devil's 2044 01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:56,000 advocate. I definitely have a fate on 2045 01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,840 Ridley, but I I decided to push back like he's talked about a 2046 01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:03,400 little bit too disparagingly. I don't, I mean, I think the 2047 01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:07,360 reason you're hearing the disparaging is because we're, I 2048 01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,040 feel like, you know, I don't know who the Ridley drafters 2049 01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,080 are, but they are a stubborn bunch. 2050 01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,000 They. They are all in this chat room. 2051 01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,920 They are all in. They are in the chat of ADP, JC. 2052 01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:20,000 They are. They are adamant, Yeah, adamant 2053 01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,400 that right. So you're hearing about it, but 2054 01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:25,240 it's not moving the market at all. 2055 01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:26,840 Like his price has stayed consistent. 2056 01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,560 So you're hearing from people who don't like the Ridley price 2057 01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:31,920 because it's generally people do podcasts, but the people who 2058 01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,360 don't do podcasts are like, you guys are wrong, I'm drafting 2059 01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:35,880 Ridley. Yeah, but I have to, I have to 2060 01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,000 speak for the silent majority, you know. 2061 01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:40,720 I guess well they they are wrong. 2062 01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,160 Is this how it feel? Is this how it felt when I was 2063 01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,480 like we should move Brandon Cooks from 20 spots below EDP to 2064 01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,840 816, except now I get to be on the other side of the window? 2065 01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,800 You could feel way better to be over here, to be honest. 2066 01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:58,160 My main point is just like sometimes you go too far with 2067 01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:59,800 the the yards for route run stuff. 2068 01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:03,400 And just like again, it, it's a dumb point. 2069 01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,480 I mean Davis. All the call is coming from 2070 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:07,360 inside. I was the first guy to invent 2071 01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,720 looking at box scores. Just just go check out some of 2072 01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:11,440 the box scores. No one thought to do this before 2073 01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:13,000 Sam. Yeah, no one, no one's looked 2074 01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,520 into box scores before me there. There's some good box scores in 2075 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,600 there. Yeah, that's definitely not 2076 01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:19,640 moving the price. That's, you know, it's no, I 2077 01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,400 guess what I'm saying only the Sharps saying is like it better 2078 01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,080 be true because he's going to the fifth round. 2079 01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,680 The fifth round, yeah. It's baked in. 2080 01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:28,920 I have, I just checked, I have 3% Ridley right now. 2081 01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:33,320 So but I'm guessing you guys have like literally 0? 2082 01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,560 I have. I have literally zero, yeah. 2083 01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:38,040 Yeah, OK. I don't think which I. 2084 01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,480 Which I can see burning me pretty bad so. 2085 01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,160 I'm Will. I'm willing to take the four. 2086 01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,400 Percent of those. I think Sam's probably right. 2087 01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,280 We should have exposure blankets, but it's hard to. 2088 01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:48,720 Instead of any Ridley, I just have another Chiefs wide 2089 01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,640 receiver. And so if I just have another 2090 01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,040 Chiefs wide receiver, then I'm not going to lose. 2091 01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,040 You're you're coming. You're coming to war with Will 2092 01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,040 Levis, wide receiver Two, I have Rashi Rice. 2093 01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:01,240 Guess what? I'm going to win. 2094 01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:06,120 Honestly, like I I listen to chip chasing and I laugh at 2095 01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,680 Davis''s theory of just draft the same team 12 times or draft 2096 01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,920 the same 12 teams. But with this one, like, I 2097 01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,520 actually don't feel like that Will Levis's wide receiver two 2098 01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:16,320 can really destroy me at this cost. 2099 01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:18,480 Like I'm fine, I'm not. What about it's wide receiver 2100 01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:19,160 one? Yeah, we. 2101 01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,760 I'm sure the the coach that. Made well, I take his wide 2102 01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,560 receiver one I select his wide receiver. 2103 01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,680 One, I'm saying if we're wrong, like how bad can it get? 2104 01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:29,000 Because I do have 0%, I have $22.00 of Ridley through like 2105 01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:30,680 717 drafts. So that's. 2106 01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,560 A weird That's such a weird dollar. 2107 01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:34,200 Now how do you even get to? 20 I don't know. 2108 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,160 I don't know. That's there must have been a 2109 01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,640 $7.00 in there or something. What did I do? 2110 01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:43,800 Maybe, maybe three puppies and a seven dollar thing, I don't 2111 01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,280 know. I can't believe I didn't have 2112 01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:46,840 this one ready either. That's what I thought. 2113 01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:52,520 Ridley versus Higgins, yeah. All right, guys, that'll do it 2114 01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:56,280 for today's show in terms of Riders and fallers, let's before 2115 01:41:56,280 --> 01:42:00,760 we close out, let's do the closing line value game. 2116 01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:04,920 Kyle, I did not tell you to prepare this, but do you have 2117 01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:09,560 something prepared here for the largest closing line value riser 2118 01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:15,680 by the end of draft season? If you don't, it's fine. 2119 01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:19,040 Yeah, I'll go. I thought about this a little 2120 01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:20,840 bit. I'll go with Kyle Pitts. 2121 01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:23,560 I think maybe this was I was like looking and I was like, oh, 2122 01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:25,440 Don Kincaid clear faller. But I do think this is 2123 01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:29,120 environment where people who do podcasts are saying elite tight 2124 01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:31,960 ends, elite tight ends, and then we're getting the Kyle Pitts 2125 01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:33,680 erase the last two years narrative. 2126 01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,200 He's just clearly a better pick than Dalton Kincaid. 2127 01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,240 And he seems like a guy who once he goes out and we're like, oh, 2128 01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,240 he can turn. Which direction can't you turn? 2129 01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:43,760 Can you not turn left or right the first time we see this guy 2130 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,240 turn whatever direction he's not allowed to turn for the last 2131 01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,880 year because some ligament his knee was busted. 2132 01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:52,320 Like seems like a clear riser based on the ceiling. 2133 01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,240 And that in this environment, all we want to do is be chasing 2134 01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,320 ceiling like all of the all of the dork strap in these 2135 01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,440 basketball teams. Like, how can I win $1.5 2136 01:43:00,440 --> 01:43:02,600 million? And the more we look at it like 2137 01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,920 it doesn't seem like a guy like Dalton Kincaid is the guy that 2138 01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,560 is going to win you that like we're getting all of the like, 2139 01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,960 you know, if this is a Fowler segment, boy, I'd have really 2140 01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,560 crushed with Dalton Kincaid. But I do think it will. 2141 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:17,880 It's not quite a 0 sum game, but as he falls someone like Kyle 2142 01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,520 Pitts, who seems like the very obvious, like, well, if you 2143 01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:23,360 ignore the bad stuff, which we love to do, we're doing it with 2144 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,080 Calvin Ridley to ignore the bad stuff. 2145 01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:26,240 There's a real fun ceiling like I. 2146 01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,440 Do love to ignore the bad stuff. Kyle Pitts is that kind of guy. 2147 01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,040 That makes sense. I like it. 2148 01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,960 He's already pretty high, but he's definitely. 2149 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,600 I think he flips Kincaid. I think that's gonna happen. 2150 01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:42,600 So, and he was, yeah, he was close to producing Cadarius Tony 2151 01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:43,680 when they're at Florida together. 2152 01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:46,520 He didn't quite do it, but that definitely shows A level of 2153 01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,520 untapped upside that he definitely want a tight end. 2154 01:43:55,640 --> 01:44:00,680 That ruined my show. I will. 2155 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:01,320 I've been. Waiting. 2156 01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:06,560 I've had that shot in the back. I'll run, just just look the 2157 01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:10,560 ball in and just smooth. That's going to crush you right 2158 01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,800 out of the park. That was a beautiful. 2159 01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:19,240 I will, I'll bum everyone out. No, you don't have to. 2160 01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:20,480 We just did that. It's fine. 2161 01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,960 Ezekiel Elliott. Oh man. 2162 01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:25,400 Jeez. Oh. 2163 01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,520 Man, Steven Jones. Steven Jones doing the radio 2164 01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:29,840 today. What does he say? 2165 01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:33,080 Royce Freeman killing it. You know, we'll see which one of 2166 01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,680 Rico Dowdle or Malik Davis makes the team. 2167 01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:40,440 Come on man. See which one of Rico Dowdle or 2168 01:44:40,440 --> 01:44:42,760 Malik Davis makes the team. But who said that? 2169 01:44:43,480 --> 01:44:45,960 Stephen Jones, the executive vice president of the Dallas 2170 01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:48,480 Cowboys. You're, you're stretching the 2171 01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:51,920 quote a little bit, but he said something kind of like that. 2172 01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:54,960 Can you give us the real quote please? 2173 01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:58,440 I will. I will give you Korean. 2174 01:44:58,440 --> 01:44:59,920 You think it's gonna make you feel better? 2175 01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:02,040 It's not. Well this is making me feel 2176 01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,200 better than what you just. Said how Executive Vice 2177 01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,520 President said on 1053 The Fan that better running back Rory 2178 01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,640 Freeman has really impressed. They were surprised he was 2179 01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:13,000 available when they signed him to a one year deal in April. 2180 01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:15,920 We were just talking about it last night at the scout dinner. 2181 01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,840 What in the hell was he doing out a round out there? 2182 01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:20,560 An interesting guy to just be sitting there. 2183 01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:23,920 He's a great 2-3 combination in terms of what he can do as a 2184 01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,400 backup. He's a big thick guy, plays 2185 01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,880 special teams as well. He'll be a good addition and 2186 01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,760 great compliment to Zeke. And then we'll let those young 2187 01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:35,640 guys between Rico Dowdell and Malik Davis and those other guys 2188 01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,200 battle it. That means that basically to 2189 01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:42,200 him, Malik Davis and Rico Dowdell and like Hunter Lupke 2190 01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:45,760 and these, these undrafted free agents are like all kind of 2191 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,440 battling for like 2 spots It it, it's not good. 2192 01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,040 That didn't sound very good, you're right. 2193 01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,080 It did. I promise you the whole quote is 2194 01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:54,840 not any better than what I said originally. 2195 01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:58,440 It's really not. The IT does make you a little 2196 01:45:58,440 --> 01:46:01,240 less worried about P Ryan, but but maybe they already. 2197 01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:03,320 Got their P Ryan. It makes me a little bit less 2198 01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:06,960 worried about P Ryan. 100% yeah. No, man, that's. 2199 01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:09,800 A good one. All right. 2200 01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:13,040 Can I, can I make us not bummed out? 2201 01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,320 I'll take Chase Brown. Oh, sick. 2202 01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:17,680 I should. I should have done that. 2203 01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,520 Yeah, I waited for you. I I let you have them. 2204 01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,480 If you wanted them, you had to take Zeke Elliott. 2205 01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:23,840 Gross. Well, I mean. 2206 01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:25,680 Chase Brown, brother. Who's going to end up? 2207 01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:27,000 Who's going to be higher in a week? 2208 01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:29,200 Chase Brown. Zeke slappies. 2209 01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:32,800 Zeke slappies just need a a smidgen of daylight. 2210 01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:35,560 Unlike how Zeke runs, they just need a sliver. 2211 01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:45,520 All right, I'll also capitalize on today's news. 2212 01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:49,040 Not a pick I advocate for taking, but Alvin Kamara. 2213 01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,440 I think the casual drafters are going to log in and see Alvin 2214 01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:55,960 Kamara at pick 76 and say. That's a good take. 2215 01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:58,200 Say, what is this? I think, I think he's going to 2216 01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:03,400 get a lot more expensive. So yeah, not not a fun one, but 2217 01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,840 that's my guess. No, that's really not fun. 2218 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:09,840 That is kind of peak on fun. Crane, why don't you just do 2219 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,240 another 30 seconds on Chase Brown like we think maybe. 2220 01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:16,520 Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've we've had the rug 2221 01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,400 pool on a guy like Chase Brown. He's got. 2222 01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:20,560 No, that's not what I meant. I good. 2223 01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:23,040 A thin resume? Hang on a thin resume. 2224 01:47:23,480 --> 01:47:27,200 I was a little bit more bearish than the general consensus 2225 01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,680 because I feel like we've burned ourselves a bunch of times on 2226 01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,600 this exciting young back who's going to have a big role year. 2227 01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:34,360 Too. Probably they go out the 1-2 2228 01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:38,440 turn though. They go the 1-2 turn or they 2229 01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:41,000 don't have the role. It's so rare that it's like the 2230 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,200 coaches are like, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. 2231 01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,600 We love Chase Brown, we love our like starter. 2232 01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:46,920 Like we can't wait to get him out there. 2233 01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,360 Like what? Like in the one 20s, like you 2234 01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,160 guys felt this. Way no normally. 2235 01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:52,920 Normally it's literally the exact opposite. 2236 01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:55,560 They ask about the guy going in one 20s and the coach is like, I 2237 01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,600 fucking hate that guy, that guy. Just happened to me with Dowdle. 2238 01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,720 Like I was like, I've been hammering Dowdle in the one 20s 2239 01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,440 and then you're like, yeah, Dowdle, Malik Davis. 2240 01:48:02,440 --> 01:48:03,600 I don't know. They're all fucking same, but 2241 01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:07,480 they're both behind Royce Freeman, like, oh, right to the 2242 01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,840 like I'm bleeding out like that is so deadly. 2243 01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,440 I can't handle that. And then you get you're reviving 2244 01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:16,160 me with Chase Brown, where they're actually like, yeah, 2245 01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:17,320 he's like our starting running back. 2246 01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:19,120 You guys knew that, right? He was our starting running back 2247 01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:22,280 this whole time. It's it's it's just pure life. 2248 01:48:22,440 --> 01:48:27,520 It's just, it's bottled life. But I'm still happy, all right? 2249 01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,520 Better wrap things up, Kyle. Thanks again. 2250 01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,040 Tight show. Yeah, nice. 2251 01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:35,880 Tight show this. Was a nice that was a nice tight 2252 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:36,760 90. Let me. 2253 01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,200 Tell you that. One, you nailed it. 2254 01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:41,600 Kyle, thanks again for joining us. 2255 01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,760 You guys are doing great stuff over at Rotoworld. 2256 01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,520 We've been really enjoying the podcast over there. 2257 01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,560 Yeah. Anything else you want to to 2258 01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:54,160 plug? Yeah, I tweet out all my stuff 2259 01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:58,320 on on Twitter, but I have probably by the time most people 2260 01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:01,360 listen to this training camp article coming out recapping the 2261 01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:03,080 the first week. So if you like what you got here 2262 01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,000 more of that Rotor World Football show. 2263 01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:08,560 Yeah, that about does it. Both Davis and and Crane have 2264 01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:09,880 been on the Rotor World football show. 2265 01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,360 So if you're seeking more ship chasing adjacent content there 2266 01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:16,560 in the the broader network. Yeah, that's, that's definitely 2267 01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,800 one of my go to weekly listings. Pat, what else do we have? 2268 01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:24,800 Come on up on leg up. Leg up we've got, I'm working on 2269 01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,600 an article on the running backs that I'm hoping to have about in 2270 01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:29,880 the next couple days. Running backs in like around 7 2271 01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:33,320 through 12 kind of range. Daniel Raz is also working on an 2272 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:36,080 article we're hoping to have about later this week, kind of 2273 01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:38,680 also about how to attack the running backs in that in that 2274 01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:41,440 pocket. Kind of a key part of drafts 2275 01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:43,200 this this year. So that'll be fun. 2276 01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:48,160 And the Sidekick, we've got custom rankings we're going to 2277 01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,240 roll out as a beta in the next couple days. 2278 01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:54,440 So if you want to kind of experiment with custom ranks as 2279 01:49:54,440 --> 01:49:57,200 we make sure we have all that dialed in, we'll have news on 2280 01:49:57,200 --> 01:50:01,480 that very shortly. And also DraftKings is fairly 2281 01:50:01,480 --> 01:50:03,440 imminent. I think maybe maybe next week, 2282 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,960 this week if everything just goes swimmingly in our in our 2283 01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:10,600 death process. So yeah, those are the big 2284 01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:13,640 updates that at leg up Best ball rankings updated daily. 2285 01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:16,920 Dynasty rankings updated weekly, legendaryupset.com. 2286 01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,560 Awesome and Davis, bunch of a bunch of streams coming up this 2287 01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:25,000 week. Yes, the The Badge Bros and Drew 2288 01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:29,120 Dinkmeyer are gonna be on tomorrow and I have not gotten 2289 01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:31,880 to Thursday yet, so that could just be a mystery. 2290 01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:34,960 I mean, literally, who knows? Could be, could be anyone, could 2291 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:35,560 be. Anyone. 2292 01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:38,880 Could be, could be anyone, could the call could be coming from 2293 01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,360 inside the house, so I'll be on be on the lookout for that. 2294 01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,400 Awesome. And yeah, only thing I have to 2295 01:50:43,400 --> 01:50:48,040 plug, obviously ADP chasing. We'll be back next on Monday. 2296 01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:51,400 I'm trying to remember we have both Levitan and Rotopat coming 2297 01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,320 up the next couple weeks. I think it's Levitan next week, 2298 01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:55,760 Rotopat maybe the week after that. 2299 01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:59,120 So that should be a good show. And also I spent a lot of time 2300 01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:03,280 looking at the pre snap motion data from the past couple years. 2301 01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:07,920 I have an article up there on establish the run that dives 2302 01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:11,240 into that and dives into sort of the fantasy implications of pre 2303 01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:14,400 snap motion, which is really spreading rapidly across the 2304 01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:17,040 league, especially last year. So you can check that out if you 2305 01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:20,240 have the ETR draft kit, I believe. 2306 01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,280 But anyways, guys, thanks for joining us. 2307 01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:23,880 We will see you next week.