1 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,000 We've got another week of preseason data to discuss, and 2 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,520 we're joined by Etr's chief spreadsheet, Socialist Michael 3 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,480 Leone. Break it all down, this is best. 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,840 Ball brunch, I mean. Let's go. 5 00:00:30,370 --> 00:00:33,170 Pat Fryer Helmo. This is why. 6 00:00:33,690 --> 00:00:35,730 This is why I'm hot. Anita, hint a hand. 7 00:00:35,730 --> 00:00:39,890 Job fix your side, Jamar, and also play chase. 8 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:45,410 You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally 9 00:00:55,340 --> 00:00:58,020 welcome everybody. Leonie, welcome to the show I 10 00:00:58,020 --> 00:01:01,500 saw you were drafting with Silva last night at 555. 11 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:03,780 Have you mentally recovered from that yet? 12 00:01:04,019 --> 00:01:07,500 No, there is no mental recover. We'll never get back to 100%. 13 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:09,940 Guys, take Dalvin Cook in the sixth round. 14 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:14,620 We did not, but we'll we'll just do the best we can to get to 15 00:01:14,620 --> 00:01:17,420 99%, but there's no return to my previous form. 16 00:01:17,940 --> 00:01:21,900 Where where is Dalvin Cook and Evan Silva's top 150? 17 00:01:22,580 --> 00:01:24,500 Is he like, is he like running back 19? 18 00:01:26,580 --> 00:01:28,260 We need that. I need that, I need that 19 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:30,380 information. Cuz his immediate reaction was 20 00:01:30,380 --> 00:01:32,500 like, so bullish. Like, I couldn't believe how 21 00:01:32,500 --> 00:01:35,220 bullish it was, why I was having, yeah. 22 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:38,620 He's got him around 70th overall. 23 00:01:38,980 --> 00:01:40,980 I love that. Just he's the best. 24 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:44,960 Yeah. We were talking about before we 25 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:48,680 went live here, how we're feeling a little bit burnt out 26 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,280 of drafting. It's kind of the final stretch. 27 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,960 We're also had a debate on multi tabling, drafting what Davis 28 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,960 Davis was pro multi tabling. You know, I'm definitely burnt 29 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,520 out on multi tabling. My multi tabling days are behind 30 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,240 me I think. Here's the thing though. 31 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,200 Here's the thing. If you're gonna dedicate the 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:08,960 time to drafting and not reading or or whatever, whatever your 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,190 thing is. Really, dedicate that time to 34 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:12,470 drafting. Don't be, don't be. 35 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:15,750 Look, don't be doing one draft and and on Discord and on 36 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:19,510 Twitter or whatever, just sit down and knock the drafts out 37 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:23,030 that that is my thesis on it because I still want to be a 38 00:02:23,070 --> 00:02:24,550 human being. Just said sit down there. 39 00:02:24,550 --> 00:02:27,350 You said you take your dog for a walk and do 5 drafts at once, so 40 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:30,150 there's no sitting there. How do you do two things that is 41 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:31,510 that isn't? Really difficult. 42 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:33,990 I want to be rich. You're multi tabling it while 43 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:36,270 like doing something active at the same time. 44 00:02:36,670 --> 00:02:38,710 Yes, I'm I'm enriching my dog's life. 45 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:41,620 I'm getting my steps in and I'm hammering. 46 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:43,860 I'm hammering. Hammering drafts. 47 00:02:44,660 --> 00:02:47,420 Yeah. See, my thing is like when I 48 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:52,580 wanna do a draft, I feel like if I'm multi table, I just do a 49 00:02:52,580 --> 00:02:55,140 worse version of all those drafts than I would have done if 50 00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:56,500 I just did one draft. So then. 51 00:02:56,620 --> 00:02:59,380 Yeah, but multiply. Those drafts and I'm exhausted. 52 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:02,140 So you're not wrong, but you have to multiply. 53 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:07,220 So let's say you're EV in basketball mania, let's say. 54 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:09,610 Get your expected value in each draft. 55 00:03:09,890 --> 00:03:11,970 Napkin math. Let's make it $50.00 and then 56 00:03:11,970 --> 00:03:15,450 let's say you're 20% or so worse on every draft. 57 00:03:16,170 --> 00:03:20,330 Well, would you rather have a bunch of $50 EV drafts stacked 58 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:24,170 on top of each other, or would you rather have exponentially 59 00:03:24,170 --> 00:03:28,290 three times more drafts of $38 of expected value? 60 00:03:28,370 --> 00:03:32,250 I would rather have like. I would rather have like 700 61 00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:35,410 teams drafted by week one of the season to to. 62 00:03:36,990 --> 00:03:40,470 Get as much I have 7. 100 teams drafted though, It's just that I 63 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:41,990 just didn't pull the table them very much. 64 00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:44,230 He's just, he's just cut into my life more often. 65 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:47,750 Yeah, that's that, says. I'd rather have like a horrible 66 00:03:47,750 --> 00:03:51,070 hour of drafting and have it be miserable, but like, yeah, knock 67 00:03:51,070 --> 00:03:54,430 out three or four then. Yes, Leone, Leone and I agree. 68 00:03:54,910 --> 00:03:56,270 Because I still wanna do other stuff. 69 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:58,030 I still wanna, I still wanna go golf. 70 00:03:58,030 --> 00:04:00,790 I still wanna skateboard. Like I I I don't wanna just be 71 00:04:01,270 --> 00:04:05,470 drafting 14 hours a day. I'm like 95% slow drafts though 72 00:04:05,510 --> 00:04:08,470 is how I get around. That's even worse for me. 73 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:12,310 I I can't do the the mental. I mean, it depends how many just 74 00:04:12,310 --> 00:04:15,350 a minute at a time, but. Davis Davis just did the You 75 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:17,149 gotta turn off the underdog notifications. 76 00:04:17,310 --> 00:04:19,269 You just no no, I I see. I did. 77 00:04:19,310 --> 00:04:20,430 I did. No, I did. 78 00:04:20,430 --> 00:04:22,750 The other thing. I have every notification on my 79 00:04:22,750 --> 00:04:26,190 phone except for text messages. Underdog, DraftKings and 80 00:04:26,190 --> 00:04:27,710 drafters just turned off on my phone. 81 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:31,310 So the only notifications I get right now are. 82 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:33,530 When I'm on the clock or if someone texted me. 83 00:04:33,970 --> 00:04:36,850 No, the move. The move is you You burn through 84 00:04:36,850 --> 00:04:38,770 all the. Because I've I've been in slow 85 00:04:38,770 --> 00:04:39,770 draft hell. OK, I've. 86 00:04:39,890 --> 00:04:41,010 I've gone. I've gone there. 87 00:04:41,410 --> 00:04:44,210 The move is you get all the drafts done or you get as many 88 00:04:44,210 --> 00:04:48,690 as you can and then you set a timer for like 10 minutes before 89 00:04:48,690 --> 00:04:52,330 the next time you'll time out and then you turn off the 90 00:04:52,330 --> 00:04:55,050 notifications on underdog. So you're not gonna get, you're 91 00:04:55,050 --> 00:04:56,890 not gonna get bugged. You just have the timer going. 92 00:04:56,890 --> 00:04:59,050 When the timer goes off, it's time to go check your app again. 93 00:04:59,790 --> 00:05:02,110 No, no. If anything, if anything I would 94 00:05:02,110 --> 00:05:05,710 turn my phone on do not disturb, but I just made three picks. 95 00:05:06,070 --> 00:05:08,590 I just made three picks while you were talking like that. 96 00:05:08,590 --> 00:05:11,830 That's that's that's. This is like the opposite of 97 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:14,310 your multi tabling point though the point like it cuts into your 98 00:05:14,310 --> 00:05:16,110 life more if you're doing it that way, correct? 99 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:19,190 I'm I'm just on a I'm on a fantasy football podcast right 100 00:05:19,190 --> 00:05:23,310 now it would be it would be sure more it would be less efficient. 101 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:25,830 Be focused and be present with us, please. 102 00:05:26,620 --> 00:05:28,380 I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do my I'm not fast 103 00:05:28,380 --> 00:05:29,460 drafting. During the show up I was. 104 00:05:29,660 --> 00:05:31,380 Doing your best. While I was talking, you were 105 00:05:31,380 --> 00:05:34,540 drafting. But I got the gist. 106 00:05:34,580 --> 00:05:38,220 I got the gist. You understood the third of the 107 00:05:38,220 --> 00:05:39,340 words you said. That's fine. 108 00:05:40,540 --> 00:05:44,020 Let's move on here to the risers and fallers. 109 00:05:44,180 --> 00:05:45,620 There's a lot to chat through this week. 110 00:05:47,140 --> 00:05:51,940 Here's the 10 largest risers from this past week, a bunch of 111 00:05:51,940 --> 00:05:53,460 big movement. I think the past. 112 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:58,900 Before P season hit, we weren't seeing 10% increases in ADP from 113 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:01,180 many players. This week we have 10 of them at 114 00:06:01,180 --> 00:06:04,500 least that increase in ADP by at least 10%. 115 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:08,580 So a lot of movement here. I wanted to start with talking 116 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:13,060 through Zeke, and I think also Ramondre fits in this discussion 117 00:06:13,060 --> 00:06:15,220 as well. He's on the list of the fallers. 118 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,760 Zeke for me, is someone who I was drafting the free agent 119 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,200 running backs. I was not drafting Zeke for 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,240 whatever reason. Maybe that's a leak and I've had 121 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,760 a hard time stomaching this new price. 122 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,920 So start with you Leone. What do you think about Zeke 123 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,560 ranked now at sort of the 150 range for a DP? 124 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,680 It hasn't felt like a good Click to me, but curious what your 125 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,400 thoughts are. I mean, it seems outrageous I 126 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,920 was drafting some Zeke. Passed his original ad like his 127 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,000 original ADP was probably correct. 128 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,280 Like like nothing really changed except we know he's on a team 129 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:54,480 now. But like that was. 130 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,160 I mean what were the likelihood he wasn't gonna sign with 131 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,600 someone? Like he was probably pretty low 132 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,920 that he wasn't gonna sign at all. 133 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:04,080 So I I don't really think that much has changed for for Zeke. 134 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,140 Yeah. Anybody want to make the pro? 135 00:07:08,500 --> 00:07:10,260 Zeke Case, I'll make a slight pro. 136 00:07:10,260 --> 00:07:13,700 Case it's very it's very easy. He gets, he gets the goal line 137 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:16,900 work and Pierre Strong and Kevin Harris don't play at all. 138 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:21,100 And he he he fat guys his way to 550 combo yards but eight 139 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:24,220 touchdowns. Yep. 140 00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:26,020 Yeah. And that's, that's it. 141 00:07:26,020 --> 00:07:30,060 Like I think you know if you need some early season running 142 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:33,420 back help in particular where like I mean he's not going to be 143 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:34,980 super productive in the early season, but. 144 00:07:35,460 --> 00:07:38,660 So it's like he'll be the least dusty in the early part of the 145 00:07:38,660 --> 00:07:43,300 year and you just hope any falls in the end zone a couple times. 146 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:47,020 I think around pick like 150 is is okay. 147 00:07:47,020 --> 00:07:50,660 I mean, I'm certainly not going to be excited to take him, but 148 00:07:50,660 --> 00:07:54,140 it's when you're building out these running back rooms, you 149 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:57,740 know you get to that range and you're like, do I want to reach 150 00:07:57,740 --> 00:08:00,020 a bit for Taji Spears? Cuz I want the upside or 151 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:03,320 whatever or. So I have upside. 152 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,080 I have a Javante, right? I've got maybe a briefs hall or 153 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,760 someone like that. And what I'm really looking for 154 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,240 is somebody just helped me get along in the early part of the 155 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,040 year or just a guy that I know will have some kind of role for 156 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,720 most of the year. So this is part of a larger 157 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,720 discussion and maybe we can get into it a little bit later, but 158 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:26,200 I've really noticed, starting right about after the Qb's go 159 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,440 Dak, Kirk, Gino and Daniel Jones. 160 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,040 There's basically no one I want to pick. 161 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:35,470 You know, it's like horrible. So honestly, I can't believe and 162 00:08:35,470 --> 00:08:37,510 no one lets Soccer Dave know that I'm saying this. 163 00:08:37,510 --> 00:08:41,390 I'm just taking guys I like. I'll take Jalen Warren 10 spots 164 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:44,110 ahead. I will take Rashi Rice 15 spots 165 00:08:44,110 --> 00:08:46,390 ahead. I will take, and especially once 166 00:08:46,390 --> 00:08:49,550 you get to the van Jefferson, KJ Osbourne, Rondell Moore, 167 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:52,710 Jonathan Mingo, like literally, those guys are just not 168 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:55,430 clickable for me. I'm never clicking Adam. 169 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:59,350 I will just take. I will just take Jalen Wyatt or 170 00:08:59,350 --> 00:09:01,560 Jalen Hyatt. 20 spots ahead of ADP. 171 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:05,200 I don't care because I'm not clicking these total dust balls. 172 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,680 I I I know Leone is cringing right now, but like DJ Shark, 173 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,320 what does DJ Shark do for this team? 174 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:11,720 Nothing. Nothing. 175 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,240 I. Here's here's what I did. 176 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,640 So I was in a Pitbull right before. 177 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,920 It's the Pitbull slow and I am sitting there and I only have 178 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,560 four wide receivers and I had Stefan Diggs and Gabe Davis. 179 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:24,560 I didn't. I don't have Josh Allen on this 180 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:25,720 team. I forget. 181 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,280 I think I have Deshaun Watson or Dak or someone like that. 182 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,720 So I'm going to need maybe maybe two more quarterbacks, right? 183 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,880 At least one more. And I've got this Bills thing 184 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,560 built out. So what's the what's the smart 185 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:41,160 thing to do when I need that fifth wide receiver? 186 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,200 I ended up taking Juju. I I did it. 187 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,080 I took Juju's misuse there and it was the grossest thing ever. 188 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,240 But to your point, there was so there's no one in. 189 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,840 I was like literally like 20 pics of you're. 190 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,320 You're just scrolling, you're scrolling and you're like, 191 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,890 you're like. Like so, like Donovan Peoples 192 00:09:57,890 --> 00:09:59,490 Jones. What does Donovan Peoples Jones 193 00:09:59,490 --> 00:10:00,650 do for this team? Like, not. 194 00:10:00,730 --> 00:10:01,850 Like, I just. I don't know. 195 00:10:02,090 --> 00:10:04,410 I kind of. Like TVJ too. 196 00:10:04,930 --> 00:10:09,010 I like a few of these guys. You guys are talking about you 197 00:10:09,010 --> 00:10:11,570 guys. Like, I'm just taking Luke 198 00:10:11,570 --> 00:10:14,570 Musgrave 20 spots ahead. I'm taking Michael Wilson in the 199 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:17,250 16th round. Like, I just, I'm not. 200 00:10:17,290 --> 00:10:21,530 I'm not taking these dust balls. Wow, this is like full on live. 201 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:24,010 A little capitulation from from Davis right here. 202 00:10:24,170 --> 00:10:24,810 It is. It is. 203 00:10:24,810 --> 00:10:28,410 Wild How bad Round 10 is? Round 10 is like the worst 204 00:10:28,410 --> 00:10:30,610 round. In the juju as wide receiver 5 205 00:10:30,610 --> 00:10:33,530 is like completely fine you guys are. 206 00:10:33,730 --> 00:10:36,730 So. Just jump the shark on juju like 207 00:10:36,930 --> 00:10:39,530 you guys are acting like you're being poisoned. 208 00:10:39,530 --> 00:10:42,690 To take Juju as I am, I'm that's like how you should be building 209 00:10:42,690 --> 00:10:43,810 is like. Not overdoing. 210 00:10:43,970 --> 00:10:45,690 I know, Leone, but I fucking hate it. 211 00:10:45,690 --> 00:10:47,050 I did it, OK? Jesus. 212 00:10:48,620 --> 00:10:51,820 That's why honestly, like structurally, that's why I have 213 00:10:51,820 --> 00:10:56,060 so much Gino Smith and Anthony Richardson, because they're, 214 00:10:56,060 --> 00:10:58,980 they're going in a range where I do not like the skill position 215 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:01,460 players. So it's just so and it's so easy 216 00:11:01,500 --> 00:11:05,020 to take Anthony Richardson round 10 and then you're like, all 217 00:11:05,020 --> 00:11:07,660 right, I can take Alec Pierce or I can take Josh Downs and it's 218 00:11:07,660 --> 00:11:11,250 completely fine. Yeah, I I kind of agree with 219 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:13,090 that. I think some of these guys like 220 00:11:13,170 --> 00:11:17,490 Myers, Juju, I like Myers. I like Myers is good. 221 00:11:17,530 --> 00:11:19,250 Yeah. Some of these guys I like, but I 222 00:11:19,250 --> 00:11:22,170 I kind of agree with you. Like, I don't know, I've been 223 00:11:22,250 --> 00:11:24,890 when I get to the running backs and it's like P Ryan and a 224 00:11:24,890 --> 00:11:27,130 chain. I've been like saying I just 225 00:11:27,130 --> 00:11:29,890 kind of want Warren over those guys and reaching like 10 spots 226 00:11:29,890 --> 00:11:31,850 of ADP. Maybe maybe that's dumb, but 227 00:11:32,010 --> 00:11:33,370 I've been doing some things like that. 228 00:11:33,850 --> 00:11:36,100 No, I think it's fine. I just learned my. 229 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:37,900 Most warrants ahead of those guys. 230 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:40,140 I think that's fine. I mean, you still want to mesh 231 00:11:40,140 --> 00:11:43,300 your rankings with the ADP. So I don't think it's like 232 00:11:43,540 --> 00:11:45,260 you're not like. I don't think anyone's 233 00:11:45,260 --> 00:11:47,180 suggesting to blindly draft off ADP. 234 00:11:47,180 --> 00:11:50,100 It's like there's a balance between the two, right? 235 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,140 Like you don't want to. You don't want to like double 236 00:11:53,260 --> 00:11:55,740 count and be like. More, More So what I'm saying 237 00:11:55,740 --> 00:12:01,540 Michael is like round 14. Do I need to take Adam Phelan 238 00:12:01,540 --> 00:12:05,460 because Adam Phelan is is the ADP guy there or do I take a guy 239 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:07,700 who I like really like his range of outcomes better? 240 00:12:07,700 --> 00:12:12,340 Like is is reaching in round 14 structurally really like, I 241 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:14,260 agree. I'm not reaching in round seven. 242 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:17,860 I'm not taking I'm not taking Guys in the top 100 picks, you 243 00:12:17,860 --> 00:12:21,180 know, 10 spots ahead of ADP. Honestly, probably hardly ever. 244 00:12:21,540 --> 00:12:24,260 But round 14, like I just do not. 245 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:25,500 I do not care. I do. 246 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:27,900 I I'm taking. The draft capital doesn't, 247 00:12:27,900 --> 00:12:30,450 really. Matter as much at that. 248 00:12:30,450 --> 00:12:33,050 Point and we're getting new information right now, so being. 249 00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:35,170 $3 on a $1.00 guy like, I don't know. 250 00:12:35,770 --> 00:12:38,650 Yeah, I think it's fine. I I mean, some of it depends on 251 00:12:38,650 --> 00:12:41,970 like how you're structured like dealing might just add nothing 252 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:46,170 to your team, right? Like, but I do think acting like 253 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:49,370 a guy like him is completely unusable and best ball is like 254 00:12:49,370 --> 00:12:51,130 in manage. Sure, like you're just crossing 255 00:12:51,130 --> 00:12:54,570 Adam Feeling off Like there's no situation on the planet where 256 00:12:54,570 --> 00:12:56,690 you're drafting Adam Feeling in a managed leak, right? 257 00:12:56,690 --> 00:12:58,970 Like. Yeah, this was just all this was 258 00:12:58,970 --> 00:13:01,650 all This was all a long con to get you on the show and explain 259 00:13:01,650 --> 00:13:03,810 to everyone why you need to be drafting Adam Feeling. 260 00:13:04,130 --> 00:13:06,930 Well, I I barely have any. But like, you're acting like a 261 00:13:06,930 --> 00:13:08,650 start. I mean, a starting wide receiver 262 00:13:08,650 --> 00:13:11,210 in best ball is is worth being picked at something, yeah. 263 00:13:11,770 --> 00:13:13,930 No, I I agree. I just think feeling's been 264 00:13:13,930 --> 00:13:17,890 egregiously priced all year and I it's very difficult for me to 265 00:13:17,890 --> 00:13:19,490 select him. But I did take him over the 266 00:13:19,490 --> 00:13:22,250 weekend once because he felt so like a lot. 267 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:24,480 I I barely, Yeah. I'm. 268 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:25,720 Yeah, I'm. I mean, I'm. 269 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,040 He fell to me in a like a Davis gave. 270 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,840 But yeah, he fell to me in a bulldog like I think 30 picks 271 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,560 past ADP. And at that point when it's like 272 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:37,280 him versus like, I don't know, Khalil Shakir, like those were 273 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,480 some of the odd receivers available. 274 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,880 I'm like, I'm just taking like, this is fine for this is where 275 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,080 feeling should go here, right? Like, that's totally. 276 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,960 It's one of the things you were like 2. 22 Atwell versus Adam 277 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,680 Thielan I know, I know where my chips are placed on that one. 278 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Well, fair enough, but I mean, I. 279 00:13:52,490 --> 00:13:55,250 Actual ceiling on 2/2 Atwell like I mean you guys talk about, 280 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:58,610 I mean David you talk about ceiling a lot, but like what is 281 00:13:58,610 --> 00:14:01,090 the? Scores he scores 270 yard 282 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:03,170 touchdowns in the three-week Sprint and. 283 00:14:03,170 --> 00:14:05,210 What if he's the guy you need, Leon, think about that. 284 00:14:06,330 --> 00:14:08,050 All right, let's keep this. Let's keep this thing on track. 285 00:14:08,410 --> 00:14:10,930 We're already talking about two, two Atwell and and then at 13. 286 00:14:10,930 --> 00:14:14,130 Let's I do want to say with the with like there is something to 287 00:14:14,330 --> 00:14:18,290 to Leon's point on dealing like because Theon's been expensive 288 00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:21,170 enough that that we have to like think about the talent. 289 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,280 Case we like I've I've often made the case that he's watched, 290 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,520 but like I have a ton of Devonte Parker and like Devonte Parker 291 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,720 rates terribly and a lot of the other things that I that I like. 292 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,320 It's just that he's priced at a level where you're like he's 293 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,520 just starting my receiver. So as soon as dealing does get 294 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,120 to the point where all you need to make the case for him is that 295 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,640 he's just starting my receiver, then I do think we should be 296 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:44,880 open to taking him. It's just that. 297 00:14:45,730 --> 00:14:47,450 I just think he hasn't been priced like that for most of the 298 00:14:47,650 --> 00:14:50,050 Yeah, he's been priced above Mingo, which to me has made 299 00:14:50,050 --> 00:14:53,490 absolutely zero sense. That's why I've had none of him, 300 00:14:53,490 --> 00:14:55,930 cuz it's like, why would I ever click dealing over Mingo? 301 00:14:55,930 --> 00:14:58,690 But now that he slides, Sure. Anyway, So what? 302 00:14:58,930 --> 00:15:03,050 Was with the chart slander. I mean, I think Chart's fine. 303 00:15:03,050 --> 00:15:05,810 Well, so Chart, I think he's okay too. 304 00:15:05,810 --> 00:15:08,810 But man, I'm a little worried about Chart with the injury 305 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:11,300 stuff. And again, this is just one data 306 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:13,700 point. But if you look at Harmon's like 307 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:16,900 reception perception stuff, he was literally like the worst 308 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:19,220 wide receiver that Harmon charted like last year. 309 00:15:19,220 --> 00:15:22,140 And it wasn't even close. Like his, I think he's kind of 310 00:15:22,140 --> 00:15:25,020 known as this like athletic guy that can win deep. 311 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:26,700 And he did do that a little bit last year. 312 00:15:26,700 --> 00:15:29,660 Like, his yard for route run aren't terrible, but his yard 313 00:15:29,660 --> 00:15:31,780 for route run is like worse than Devante Parker's. 314 00:15:31,780 --> 00:15:34,700 But he goes like 40 picks earlier and he's paid less than 315 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:36,180 Devante Parker. And then you don't have to 316 00:15:36,180 --> 00:15:38,300 compare every pick to like somebody goes late. 317 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:42,530 But it's just like if I can get the routes like deep threat guy 318 00:15:42,970 --> 00:15:46,330 that like maybe doesn't have anything left in the tank, I can 319 00:15:46,330 --> 00:15:48,130 just wait a while and get them onto. 320 00:15:48,170 --> 00:15:51,970 Yeah, I also think. Take Michael Wilson Than him if 321 00:15:51,970 --> 00:15:54,570 I'm betting on a guy running 9 routes on a crappy team. 322 00:15:54,890 --> 00:15:57,170 I'll I'll bet. Did you charge against Michael 323 00:15:57,170 --> 00:15:58,930 Wilson? I'll bet you will. 324 00:15:59,610 --> 00:16:04,770 I'll sure 5050 bucks. 50 bucks. Michael Wilson. 325 00:16:04,890 --> 00:16:08,570 More Fantasy Points Week 15/16/17. 326 00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:15,950 Half point PPR. I mean, you've changed the bet, 327 00:16:16,190 --> 00:16:17,510 but yeah. Sure, that's the bet. 328 00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:19,190 That's the bet. That's the bet we're making. 329 00:16:19,950 --> 00:16:22,750 That's. Not the only consideration, but 330 00:16:22,750 --> 00:16:25,030 make it make it second-half of the season or something like 331 00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:26,390 last last 16. Sure. 332 00:16:26,390 --> 00:16:28,670 Week 8 to 17? Sure, Sure. 333 00:16:29,390 --> 00:16:31,310 OK. OK, Let's keep this on track 334 00:16:31,310 --> 00:16:33,070 here. DJ Moore, I want to talk. 335 00:16:33,070 --> 00:16:35,230 About It's not on track, Sam. It's long enough. 336 00:16:38,370 --> 00:16:40,890 DJ Moore is up 6 picks. Why? 337 00:16:40,890 --> 00:16:42,290 I don't really. I don't really know. 338 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:44,050 What Congrats. Congrats to him on catching a 339 00:16:44,050 --> 00:16:45,090 screen pass can. You get. 340 00:16:45,090 --> 00:16:48,010 So yeah, it's it's purely off that camp highlight. 341 00:16:48,370 --> 00:16:52,970 Yeah, like this one. OK, I will have like so close to 342 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:55,770 zero of any pick in the first five rounds. 343 00:16:56,530 --> 00:16:59,050 I think I will have the heaviest fade on. 344 00:16:59,050 --> 00:17:01,410 DJ Moore. I I wouldn't necessarily have if 345 00:17:01,410 --> 00:17:04,890 he was at like pick 50, but now that he's rising like, man, I'm 346 00:17:04,890 --> 00:17:09,839 gonna have like 00. I've got more. 2% on 285 347 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:14,680 underdog teams, yeah. Let me like a really high stakes 348 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,319 team randomly, because those are the drafts where he he falls. 349 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:20,200 Before he falls. Let me make the bear case, 350 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:21,760 because I'm, I think I'm the more bold. 351 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,280 So I have 11 1/2 percent DJ Moore, and I thought he was a 352 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,520 pretty strong pick at the 4-5 turn where you could pair his 353 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,320 potential breakout with Fields. Yeah, and I have some there. 354 00:17:35,020 --> 00:17:37,700 I I that's the. Reason was reasonable. 355 00:17:38,020 --> 00:17:40,420 I mean that's. Yeah and and you know you could. 356 00:17:40,700 --> 00:17:43,260 I wrote an article about like, how it was pretty easy actually 357 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:46,580 because borough the dynamics of the draft for really until 358 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:51,860 Borough's calf strain meant that often because of the late second 359 00:17:51,860 --> 00:17:53,780 round Adp's. Someone has my home. 360 00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:55,900 Someone might have Alan, some might have Hertz on the front 361 00:17:55,980 --> 00:17:59,060 half of the board so you could push fields around and you had 362 00:17:59,060 --> 00:18:00,940 borough was covered. The chaser Higgins drafters 363 00:18:00,940 --> 00:18:02,180 usually there without a quarterback. 364 00:18:02,180 --> 00:18:05,010 They'll take borough. Fields will come back to the mid 365 00:18:05,010 --> 00:18:08,010 5th if you just go ahead and reach for DJ Moore in the late 366 00:18:08,010 --> 00:18:10,290 4th. And I have a bunch of teams 367 00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:13,490 constructed like that. If you're taking more in the 368 00:18:13,490 --> 00:18:16,170 early 4th, there's no chance you're getting in with Fields 369 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:19,690 and I do really. It's like not. 370 00:18:19,810 --> 00:18:24,330 And here's the other thing, I do have some more teams with Drake 371 00:18:24,330 --> 00:18:27,130 London, where I took Drake London in the 4th and then Moore 372 00:18:27,130 --> 00:18:29,890 came around to the early 5th and now I've got that little mini 373 00:18:29,890 --> 00:18:31,970 going. But there's no correlation. 374 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:34,240 That's really. I mean I guess you could get 375 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,800 pits at the end of the OR the beginning of the OR the end of 376 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,000 the seventh, sorry. Pits pits has been falling. 377 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,000 I've I've got some yeah I did. I did a a basketball mania this 378 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,400 morning on a Kelsey team but I took Kyle pits in the eighth 379 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,600 round cuz I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna so. 380 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,360 You could do a more eighth, more 4th pits, eighth thing, but I 381 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:55,880 don't know. I mean, I just think he's so 382 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,840 much less appealing if I know I'm locked out of fields and I 383 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,360 don't understand why he's risen up. 384 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:02,480 I thought he was like an early fifth round value. 385 00:19:03,260 --> 00:19:08,300 That I was OK reaching on in the late 4th to get that stack, but 386 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:10,580 now in the early 4th he just feels it coming recently. 387 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:14,620 I think it's worth keeping in mind that he started where he's 388 00:19:14,620 --> 00:19:17,500 going now, right? Like, he started there, yeah, 389 00:19:17,540 --> 00:19:20,820 And he dropped. Like when when when it was only 390 00:19:20,820 --> 00:19:24,380 nerds, when it was only nerds drafting off of the the 391 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:27,340 spreadsheets, he went down. And now that now that people are 392 00:19:27,340 --> 00:19:30,580 seeing real football and we have more like bachelors drafters, 393 00:19:30,580 --> 00:19:32,560 he's going back up. Yeah. 394 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,080 And I mean you've just got the highlight and I I think it 395 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,760 didn't take people much to move them back up because the market 396 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,400 kind of initially wanted him here anyway. 397 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,520 Like for a while there like you had to, it was like 3-4, you had 398 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,400 to stack fields and more like early, like very early. 399 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,800 And then it got to four or five, which was like as you said, Pat, 400 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,080 like that's totally fine. Like that makes a lot of sense. 401 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:58,840 And then, I don't know, I don't want to like it doesn't take. 402 00:19:59,370 --> 00:20:01,730 Anyone who does very much projections work to just be like 403 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:05,050 the past attempts just aren't there unless he earns a 30% 404 00:20:05,050 --> 00:20:07,250 target share. And he's never been a 30% target 405 00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:08,330 share guy. So it's just. 406 00:20:08,330 --> 00:20:11,650 I mean he he could be there multiple ways that the that the 407 00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:14,570 fade loses, yeah. He could be loses. 408 00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:18,370 It's just I'm fine making that. I I wouldn't say I'm not scared 409 00:20:18,370 --> 00:20:20,890 by it because I love DJ more like I think he's awesome but 410 00:20:20,890 --> 00:20:26,370 like the it's just kind of like you you need some outliers 411 00:20:26,370 --> 00:20:27,730 things to happen. Yeah, for sure. 412 00:20:28,370 --> 00:20:31,370 I think what people the Bulls will point to is that Justin 413 00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:34,970 Fields was a very good passing prospect in college when he, you 414 00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:36,770 know, was surrounded by stud wide receivers. 415 00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:41,650 So you know, I can squint and excuse some of Fields stuff from 416 00:20:41,650 --> 00:20:44,010 early in his career cuz he was dealing with, you know, Darnell 417 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:48,250 Mooney as his wide receiver. One like, I kind of get it but 418 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:51,530 it still feels like way too priced up. 419 00:20:51,770 --> 00:20:54,690 Like I I don't know. And also like DJ Moore, he's 420 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:58,950 he's what like? The 20th best receiver in the 421 00:20:58,950 --> 00:21:00,430 NFL. Like, I don't think he's like a 422 00:21:00,430 --> 00:21:02,910 top ten, even top 15 wide receiver. 423 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:05,670 If I was to go through him and rank him like he's good. 424 00:21:05,670 --> 00:21:08,830 But is he really that? Is he really that good? 425 00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:12,230 That's a good point. I'd probably say he's top 10 to 426 00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:14,910 15. But even still, like, you've got 427 00:21:14,910 --> 00:21:18,510 to, I mean, make a big leap on his it's not. 428 00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:23,750 To draft him where it is really not a criticism of DJ Moore, who 429 00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:25,390 all of us have loved for a long time. 430 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:29,150 It's just the reality of the situation that he's in and the 431 00:21:29,150 --> 00:21:32,230 fact that they added other talented guys to theoretically 432 00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:36,830 catch passes at the same time. Like you, you may be in a way. 433 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:37,990 I don't know if this is true or not. 434 00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:40,950 You'd maybe be more bullish if it was like DJ Moore on an 435 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:44,440 island with Justin Fields. But like the fact that like, oh, 436 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,320 Mooney is like this guy who's earned targets and Chase 437 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,280 Claypool is this total unknown and they have Cole Command who 438 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,240 they're gonna run up there for 90% of the snaps. 439 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,520 Like I Sam, I do agree, like it definitely has been forgotten 440 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,320 that Fields was this like Uber talented he he was not drafted 441 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,240 to run for 1000 yards as a quarterback. 442 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,320 This is not like an Anthony Richardson situation. 443 00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:07,490 I guess with Fields too, though, it's not so much an indictment 444 00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:11,130 that like, like, I'm not saying Fields sucks and can't pass, but 445 00:22:11,130 --> 00:22:14,170 I'm saying they're not going to call a lot of past plays, right? 446 00:22:14,210 --> 00:22:17,290 And he takes a lot of sacks and he scrambles a lot. 447 00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:21,210 Like those things are who he is. Like, not even necessarily like 448 00:22:21,210 --> 00:22:25,090 those the it's just hard to get to the past attempts even if he 449 00:22:25,090 --> 00:22:27,650 is good. Yes, yeah. 450 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,480 Yeah. And I just think you know not 451 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,160 not to pick on this comment in the chat. 452 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,800 You know he's making the comparison to to Diggs and 453 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,080 people are making the comparison to A.J. 454 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,640 Brown. Like I think that's the problem. 455 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,200 Guys like DJ Moore is not in the same tier of wide receive. 456 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Even Diggs in Minnesota like looked way better by Harmon's 457 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,040 like chartings like Harmon, you know likes more and you know the 458 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,320 advanced metrics like more but it's not the same tier as Digg. 459 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,680 Yeah, it's like it's it's a stretch. 460 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,870 It's like. Like we we were on Diggs. 461 00:22:56,910 --> 00:22:58,990 So like it's not like we're not aware of this stuff. 462 00:22:58,990 --> 00:23:02,070 Can't like, like, I think like Davis, we had a silver bullet 463 00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:04,150 team that almost won that year with Josh Allen and David. 464 00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:06,550 Diggs was also a like a sixth round pick that year. 465 00:23:06,550 --> 00:23:08,550 He he switched teams, right? Like, wasn't he like? 466 00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:10,030 Yeah, yeah. But that was a I had. 467 00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:12,590 I had Josh Allen. I had Josh Allen and Diggs. 468 00:23:12,670 --> 00:23:13,830 That was a different time. Yeah. 469 00:23:13,870 --> 00:23:14,350 That's true. Yeah. 470 00:23:14,350 --> 00:23:16,430 Yeah. It's probably similar wide 471 00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:19,070 receiver range that DJ Moore is going out and like. 472 00:23:19,070 --> 00:23:21,910 The comparison to the Hurt stuff too, to me is like Wild too. 473 00:23:21,910 --> 00:23:23,510 Like it's just it's not to say like. 474 00:23:24,690 --> 00:23:26,530 It's not the same. All right, let's. 475 00:23:26,610 --> 00:23:29,330 Move on. I think I don't know if I if I 476 00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:35,410 was I'm happy now to basically take none but I have 11% so I'm 477 00:23:35,410 --> 00:23:38,810 gonna maybe I'll float down to 7% or something by the end of 478 00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:42,050 the summer and I think I I'm perfectly happy. 479 00:23:42,050 --> 00:23:44,010 Like I'll be very pleased with the way I played it. 480 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:48,810 If I was in your guys shoes like and I saw DJ Moore in the middle 481 00:23:48,810 --> 00:23:52,770 of the 4th, I probably take some because I do think he's got the 482 00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:56,550 potential to. Combine the best, you know, the 483 00:23:56,550 --> 00:23:59,590 best quarterback play that he's ever had, a clear number one in 484 00:23:59,590 --> 00:24:03,910 an offense and Justin feels takes a step forward and like 485 00:24:04,550 --> 00:24:08,270 you really couldn't take him over Christian Watson, you just, 486 00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:09,510 you couldn't do that, you know, Right? 487 00:24:09,910 --> 00:24:12,350 Like, yeah, I mean, based on that, I guess in big Packers 488 00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:14,710 they play. Prerequisites, you know. 489 00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:18,390 Yeah, but I think he pays off pretty nicely. 490 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,840 At the middle of the 4th if he. Like all three of those things 491 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,440 could happen and he'll just be like, OK, that that's why. 492 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,480 That's the part I don't, I don't agree. 493 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,840 I think you're going to be very happy with a fourth round 494 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,840 receiver who is a clear number one and his quarterbacks to step 495 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,760 forward cuz they're going to throw more if that happens. 496 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,920 I'm projecting. They better. 497 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,120 I mean they better. I'm protecting to throw like way 498 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:44,760 more already. So yeah, but what do you have 499 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,280 his target chair? Probably something reasonable, 500 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,920 right? 25%, probably like 25% with like 501 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,480 a ceiling of like 30%. Well, in that ceiling outcome, 502 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,480 you see he's not, he's not paying off pretty easily 30%. 503 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,920 Oh, I'm sure he is. But like when you mix like the 504 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:06,160 bats on, like, yeah, yeah, but like just the mouth is so 505 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,560 against him in targets like it's hard to even like, I mean for 506 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,200 him to like he might have like 100 targets like, oh God. 507 00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:20,820 I mean look, I mean that is that is so, that is so dire. 508 00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,860 Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, maybe. 509 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:25,860 Maybe. I'm off on that. 510 00:25:25,860 --> 00:25:31,820 But I mean, no, no 100 target season for him could be a 30% 511 00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:34,340 target. I mean that's point that's 25% 512 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:37,460 of 400. So, like, it's it's not really 513 00:25:37,460 --> 00:25:40,220 that far off, yeah. Justin Fields's passing line 514 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:42,780 last year was not that much better than Cooper Cups 515 00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:52,650 receiving line in 2021. I'm that serious, Leone, That is 516 00:25:53,050 --> 00:25:56,330 people, people say, we people say, people say Leone has his 517 00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:57,850 nose buried too far in the spreadsheets. 518 00:25:57,850 --> 00:26:02,050 But that is, that is evidence of just a sharp analytical mind, 519 00:26:02,050 --> 00:26:03,690 right? It is about once in a while. 520 00:26:05,290 --> 00:26:06,810 Let's move on to Darren Waller here. 521 00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:12,570 He's also kind of a just preseason hype highlights. 522 00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:15,310 Riser to some extent. It's not like we learned new 523 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:20,430 information about his role. I am kind of out on him at this 524 00:26:20,430 --> 00:26:24,950 rising ADP just to age concerns like I am chasing, I'm chasing. 525 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:25,830 You're chasing. Yeah. 526 00:26:25,870 --> 00:26:28,910 I mean, I see the ceiling. I see the ceiling on the target 527 00:26:28,910 --> 00:26:32,390 share. I can see how he is just the 528 00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:34,350 Giants clear number one wide receiver. 529 00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:36,470 I think he'll play in the slot. I think he'll play on the 530 00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:37,910 outside. They'll kind of move him around 531 00:26:37,910 --> 00:26:41,730 and ski stuff for him, but. For months we've known this, but 532 00:26:41,730 --> 00:26:46,290 this is so the the the ADP change is just, you know, I mean 533 00:26:46,290 --> 00:26:49,010 it's it's that old fantasy adage like, oh, I gotta see it, you 534 00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:50,290 know. And now people have seen it. 535 00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:53,130 They've seen that all this stuff that the guys at training camp, 536 00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:56,450 you know, there was that there was that story that the the 537 00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:59,050 giant sent him home from practice one day because Daniel 538 00:26:59,050 --> 00:27:01,460 Jones wouldn't throw to anyone else in practice. 539 00:27:01,460 --> 00:27:03,580 And then we saw it in the game and everyone's like, oh shit, 540 00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:06,140 it's, it's real. And then the other thing with 541 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:08,780 Waller is that people have been so snake bitten with him. 542 00:27:08,780 --> 00:27:11,580 I think that was a huge part of why he was so cheap to begin 543 00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:13,980 with. Is that every, like everyone's 544 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:17,380 got a Darren Waller story, like oh, I drafted this great team, I 545 00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:19,700 got a sick value on Darren Waller and then I just held him 546 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,340 on the bench forever and he did nothing, you know, or whatever. 547 00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:25,180 He still. Kyle Pitts last year, Davis, 548 00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:29,100 just say just say no because I think we had a bet on that one. 549 00:27:31,540 --> 00:27:33,580 No, I think you and I had a bet on that one lately. 550 00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:37,580 I'm pretty indifferent on Waller right now. 551 00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:39,260 I don't know. It seems fine, like Pat was 552 00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:41,300 making a good point about like the correlation stuff. 553 00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:43,620 Like, I really do like Daniel Jones at Bell. 554 00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:46,740 Used to like, yeah. To just structurally take like 555 00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:49,900 elite tight end and know you can get Daniel Jones at good. 556 00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:51,700 Stack seems like I was doing that a lot. 557 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:54,810 When he was in the 7th, I would do that a lot like I'd be like, 558 00:27:54,850 --> 00:27:57,810 oh sweet, I'll just take and you have Cooper Cup and then you'd 559 00:27:57,810 --> 00:28:00,690 reach for Dan for at the time, reach for Darren Waller a little 560 00:28:00,690 --> 00:28:03,410 bit in the you know, like the 704 or whatever. 561 00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:05,690 Then you go back and get Jones. It was a lot of fun. 562 00:28:06,050 --> 00:28:07,810 But this new price is nuts to me. 563 00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:11,010 Yeah, you do. You do have to take him here. 564 00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:15,410 I don't know over some nuts but. It's definitely he went in FFPC 565 00:28:15,410 --> 00:28:18,330 main slow that I'm in right now. He went in the third round, like 566 00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:19,490 middle of the third, so he's definitely. 567 00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:21,250 I haven't seen him not go in the third round. 568 00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:28,020 Yeah, if you was, it's. Been two years of kind of poor 569 00:28:28,020 --> 00:28:30,460 performance from, I mean, mostly due to injury, like you can 570 00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:34,380 chalk it up to injury, but it has been since 2020 that he's 571 00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,820 really been good. So yeah. 572 00:28:38,060 --> 00:28:40,740 Like, like as a market, like you're weighing the risk reward. 573 00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:44,380 And like, early on it was like, oh, people don't realize that 574 00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:47,230 like Waller. Can get down the field and it's 575 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:48,630 gonna be like the wide receiver one. 576 00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:51,070 And now it's like people have totally forgotten what you said, 577 00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:53,390 Sam, That like, yes, I've been good for a couple years and he's 578 00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:58,670 kind of older, like. Yeah, the thing with him too, my 579 00:28:58,670 --> 00:29:02,550 last point on on Waller is just if the Giants wide, like I do 580 00:29:02,550 --> 00:29:05,670 want exposure to Daniel Jones. So if the market was forcing me 581 00:29:05,670 --> 00:29:09,470 to pay a premium for Jalen Hyatt, Darius Layton, Isaiah 582 00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:12,310 Hodgins, then I think I would capitulate and take some Waller 583 00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:15,190 cuz I want some Jones stacks. But man, those wide receivers 584 00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:16,940 are just. Completely free. 585 00:29:16,940 --> 00:29:20,180 So I do understand like it can be Week 17 and and Waller is the 586 00:29:20,180 --> 00:29:21,900 guy and not those wide receivers. 587 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:25,180 But just like cost adjusted, I'm just like, man, let me let me 588 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:29,100 stack up two of those wide receivers for nothing and pass 589 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:33,260 on Waller. Look, I will eventually have 590 00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:38,620 probably like 25% Darren Waller because in two years everyone's 591 00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:41,830 going to be like he's dust. And he's going to be an 18 592 00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:44,430 round. And yeah, and it's like, yeah, 593 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:46,550 but he's a big wide receiver, place tight ends. 594 00:29:46,590 --> 00:29:49,030 And he still can do that even though he's going to, you know, 595 00:29:49,030 --> 00:29:51,670 get a rotational usage now because he's because he's old. 596 00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:56,030 But at this, I don't want to be in on the guy who's got a rising 597 00:29:56,030 --> 00:30:01,630 price, who wasn't good in 2021, like leaving aside 2022. 598 00:30:01,630 --> 00:30:04,110 And he had this really deep a dot and was kind of used to like 599 00:30:04,110 --> 00:30:07,270 clear space for Devonte Adams. And I mean that's that's a big 600 00:30:07,270 --> 00:30:11,450 red flag in its own right, but. 20/21 was also a down year and 601 00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:14,450 he turns 31 in September and he's dealt with the number of 602 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:16,610 soft tissue injuries over the course of his career. 603 00:30:16,610 --> 00:30:19,970 Like this just strikes me as a very fragile, like elite tight 604 00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:23,210 end is already kind of a lower advance rate, more of a playoff 605 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:25,450 bet. But if it's a playoff bet and 606 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:27,530 I'm taking an older player, that also worries me. 607 00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:31,770 So brutal for my pro I I was just checking stuff this morning 608 00:30:31,770 --> 00:30:34,930 and I I did get a little bit of cold sweats seeing. 609 00:30:34,930 --> 00:30:37,570 I had just didn't realize how much Kyle Pitts I had. 610 00:30:37,770 --> 00:30:43,730 Seeing $997.00 of entry fees associated with Kyle Pitts just 611 00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:46,970 to this point, with a lot more drafts left to go, is like kind 612 00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:50,850 of making me feel feverish that that's a lot of it's a lot of 613 00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:53,410 Kyle Pitts. I have stopped taking Rashad 614 00:30:53,410 --> 00:30:57,890 Penny but every time I I refresh my my exposures to he goes out. 615 00:30:57,930 --> 00:31:03,890 He's still at the top. It's the slow drafts where you 616 00:31:03,890 --> 00:31:05,330 took him a month. It's the slow draft. 617 00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:09,920 That's finishing up. I actually didn't realize what 618 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,600 it was until now. You're right, it's all my. 619 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,760 I have Pat. I have that same problem. 620 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,040 I keep trying to get Penny off the top of my exposure list, but 621 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,640 he just keeps. You can't get him off there. 622 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,720 It's brutal. I got a little bit of, I got a 623 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,600 little bit of alpha here before we move on to to do spawn on 624 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,640 draftking slow drafts. So when you enter them, that's 625 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,200 the ADP and the ranks that stays in that individual draft. 626 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,080 So I just entered like, let's say you entered 10 slow drafts 627 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,360 on Monday. It is Monday. 628 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,840 You enter tensile drafts today. Whatever ADP changes happen over 629 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,520 the next 10 days will not be reflected inside of that. 630 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,400 So you're drafting off of stale ADP. 631 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,680 So that's just something to keep in mind as you're doing the 632 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,400 DraftKings drafts. Draftking slows are a nightmare 633 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,360 and I won't do them. I'm in 31 right now. 634 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:04,640 Been 26. I feel like the $10 ones like 635 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,200 it's so plus EV that like if I auto's got half the rounds I. 636 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,280 Have That's the only way I have a chance of finishing the $10 to 637 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,680 do the slows, so I might do it. Could you just put in like ETR 638 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,210 ranks and auto draft? You gotta I still don't know 639 00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:23,850 where to adjust my positional settings on DraftKings. 640 00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:25,770 You gotta adjust something there cuz I ended up like 4 641 00:32:25,770 --> 00:32:27,850 quarterbacks on a team or something like I ought to draft 642 00:32:27,850 --> 00:32:31,130 when I was in Italy. I I'm gonna do that on drafters. 643 00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:35,330 I'm gonna I'm gonna upload ranks and just and set click enable 644 00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:37,810 auto pick to fire cuz I won't be able to finish. 645 00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:41,010 I did the star trick on and sometimes like, you don't know 646 00:32:41,010 --> 00:32:43,450 how far, how far down to go on the stars. 647 00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:46,250 So I did like a Bears Falcons thing and I went all the way 648 00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:47,530 down. I starred Matt Collins. 649 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:50,290 So I got to the level Round 8. Matt Collins. 650 00:32:50,570 --> 00:32:53,530 Yeah well I got no, so I'm in round 20 and I had Anthony 651 00:32:53,530 --> 00:32:56,490 Richardson and I was like oh, I actually could use another tight 652 00:32:56,490 --> 00:32:58,290 end. So I'm gonna get Jelani Woods. 653 00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:00,770 But Matt Collins was higher in the queue so I was like going to 654 00:33:00,770 --> 00:33:03,770 change the queue and I didn't succeed. 655 00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:06,810 So now I'm just like stuck with Matt Collins in my 20 drop pick. 656 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:10,050 But the DraftKings positional limits, I don't know how they 657 00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:12,250 work but they gave me Jelani Woods. 658 00:33:12,250 --> 00:33:13,730 They wouldn't let me auto Matt Collins. 659 00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:15,570 So. Thank you for DraftKings, the 660 00:33:15,570 --> 00:33:18,750 positional limits are. I don't even know where to 661 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:20,390 change them. I don't know. 662 00:33:20,390 --> 00:33:23,390 I only have like 7 receivers and they were like that's enough. 663 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:25,590 That's enough. Yeah, they're way too low on 664 00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:27,710 like running back, wide receiver, The positions you want 665 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:30,230 to draft the most, that's. So brutal bunch. 666 00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:33,310 They're a bunch of like, you know, you draft like Will Levis 667 00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:36,070 and Trey Lance in the 20th. Round, yeah. 668 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,790 Well, anyways, let's let's move on here. 669 00:33:40,790 --> 00:33:42,470 James Cook. Leoni. 670 00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:46,030 The Bills Homer in the house. Are you chasing up this, this 671 00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:48,450 James Cook's team? I don't know. 672 00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:52,650 Initially I was not. I I'm a little worried that, 673 00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:57,130 like, I just don't know what the workload, you know, potential 674 00:33:57,130 --> 00:34:00,090 for him really truly is. I was drafting a ton of him 675 00:34:00,090 --> 00:34:04,090 early in the offseason, but I know Levitan likes him a lot. 676 00:34:04,090 --> 00:34:07,210 I know Gretsch called him a target, even with his ADP 677 00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:09,730 rising. So maybe there's more there than 678 00:34:09,730 --> 00:34:12,489 I'm seeing. I'm just a little concerned that 679 00:34:13,170 --> 00:34:15,969 where he's going, he just can't see the. 680 00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:18,909 I guess the opportunity cost isn't huge at running back 681 00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:21,070 there. So this is my question and I'm 682 00:34:21,070 --> 00:34:24,110 pretty like indifferent. This is my question to you. 683 00:34:24,909 --> 00:34:28,030 Let's say this role that he's had in the preseason, which is 684 00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:31,110 like super bullish, remains in the regular season. 685 00:34:31,389 --> 00:34:35,630 Like theoretically James Cook with 70% of the touches, both 686 00:34:35,630 --> 00:34:38,550 carries and targets out of this backfield for the Bills. 687 00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:42,630 How valuable is that, right? Is it like I? 688 00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:46,250 Mean You're taking him? Earlier than where he's going 689 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:50,370 now, if that's for sure. But the thing, so the thing 690 00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:53,330 that's a little bit weird though, and I remember this from 691 00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:56,850 doing stat chasing last year, is that you would see these weeks 692 00:34:56,850 --> 00:35:01,250 where Devin Singletary would get 70% snap rate, like run a bunch 693 00:35:01,250 --> 00:35:05,170 of routes and it was still worth like no fantasy point like the 694 00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:07,770 Bills, just structurally just like don't. 695 00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:10,820 Really do much with their running backs, even if they're 696 00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:12,820 out there running routes, you know, maybe James Cook, I think 697 00:35:12,820 --> 00:35:15,180 is a better pass catcher, you know, route runner than Devon 698 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:16,580 Singletary. So maybe things can change. 699 00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:19,460 But you know, with the addition of Dalton Kincaid, with the 700 00:35:19,460 --> 00:35:21,900 addition of Deontay Hardy, I think actually like the tight 701 00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:24,260 ends and wide receivers are better now. 702 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:26,260 So like, are they really, is this the year they're gonna use 703 00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:27,540 the running backs in the passing game? 704 00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:29,580 Like we haven't seen it for two years. 705 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:32,580 So that's where I'm like, if James Cook, even if he's out 706 00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:36,060 there a bunch, like I think we're overrating it slightly. 707 00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:39,340 And I do think. Either Damian Harris or Latavius 708 00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:41,580 Murray is going to be the goal line back. 709 00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:55,580 When, to your point too, about Singletary, when he did finally 710 00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:58,340 hit that ceiling for a stretch, they were just running the ball 711 00:35:58,340 --> 00:36:01,380 super efficiently and like kind of grinding and like, I don't 712 00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:03,940 know if he would get the carries that Singletary got in that 713 00:36:03,940 --> 00:35:43,540 stretch. Like I don't think Cook is going 714 00:35:43,540 --> 00:35:45,380 to win that over one of those two guys. 715 00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:48,660 So to me it's like I I just think it could be a lot of empty 716 00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:49,660 snaps. Like we've seen that with the 717 00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:51,940 Bills running backs for two years in a row, so. 718 00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:06,260 Like, I'm pretty skeptical he would. 719 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,280 No. It's a bit of a leap of faith 720 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,440 that they're gonna use the running back more in the passing 721 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,560 game. And I think it's not that far of 722 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,520 a leap because yeah, Singletary sucks as a receiver like he is 723 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,440 not even he's not even gonna be the Texans third down back it's 724 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,920 it's hilarious like they they're gonna have he was like a passing 725 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,920 down back for the Bills and they're gonna have like Dari, 726 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,400 Gumba, Wally or something play third down steps and Singletary 727 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,800 just like an early down back up there. 728 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,040 So the fact they didn't use him in the passing game just like 729 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,280 indicates they know what they're doing. 730 00:36:35,890 --> 00:36:38,450 And they they tried to get Janie Mckissick right. 731 00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:40,810 Remember, they tried to sign him and Washington signs him back. 732 00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:43,810 They traded for Nihem Hines. They drafted James Cook in the 733 00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:46,130 second round. They've signaled in a number of 734 00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:50,130 different ways that they would like to have a back who can do 735 00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:51,570 something for them in the receiving game. 736 00:36:51,970 --> 00:36:54,810 And that could be part of, like them trying to punish these 737 00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:57,770 defenses for, you know, sitting back and and playing too high on 738 00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:59,890 them like they they are definitely one of those teams 739 00:36:59,890 --> 00:37:01,770 that needs to come up with with solutions for that. 740 00:37:01,770 --> 00:37:03,410 So I think Kincaid goes to that too. 741 00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:04,650 So they get more power personnel. 742 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,280 So the the receiving side of it is easier for me to like, Yes, I 743 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,280 don't, I haven't seen it before, but like we have lots of 744 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,960 evidence. In addition, you know when you 745 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,320 look at James Cook and what his skill set is like, he looks like 746 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,400 an exciting receiver. So you know that part of it I 747 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,120 get, I do worry about how many touchdowns he could 748 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,640 realistically score. You know that's that's for 749 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,880 specifically for under ugh. That is what I'm worried about. 750 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,320 I think DraftKings full PPR, like you could tell me he has a 751 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,280 50 catch season or whatever or a 60 catch season. 752 00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:37,780 Especially if the cover high the the the two high safeties 753 00:37:37,780 --> 00:37:41,700 continues to be a problem. But like projecting A12 754 00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:44,940 touchdown season for a Bills running back, I mean they would 755 00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:48,660 really have to commit to this you know Josh doesn't get to run 756 00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:51,020 around the goal line type stuff, which he might. 757 00:37:51,020 --> 00:37:54,460 He might just be like, sorry dude, I'm calling my own number. 758 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:56,540 The other thing that concerns me? 759 00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:59,460 Like, if you look at them historically with backs, they 760 00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:01,820 haven't really been great and what they've done in terms of 761 00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:04,460 drafting them and utilizing them, like they've spent a lot 762 00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:07,220 of draft capital on running backs over the years and they 763 00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:08,980 did want to bring him the Kissick and Heinz. 764 00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:11,740 But the Bills are a team that will bring players in for like 765 00:38:11,740 --> 00:38:15,260 really specific things like. So I don't know if that signals 766 00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:17,620 that they want to throw to the running back a lot or they just 767 00:38:17,620 --> 00:38:20,340 want to have that type of running back for like specific 768 00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:22,380 situations, if that makes sense. I don't know if I'm like, 769 00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:23,780 articulating that right, but like. 770 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,920 So like, like Heinz, they barely played after they traded for, 771 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,120 right. Like, and I could see a 772 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,080 situation where the base game plan is not to throw a ball to 773 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,800 James Cook. They just want to have that 774 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,560 option for like a few plays a game here and there. 775 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,760 Yeah, But I I mean, I I mean, it's it's ultimately like an 776 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,680 explosive player on a really good offense. 777 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,040 So, like, I get it, but I'm a little bit worried, yeah. 778 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,000 Yeah, I forget who made this call, but I think it was maybe 779 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,920 the Ringer Fantasy Football Show that I was listening to and. 780 00:38:53,570 --> 00:38:57,010 They they compared like trying to get Josh Allen to use a pass 781 00:38:57,010 --> 00:38:59,650 catching running back is like trying to get your dad to like 782 00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:01,810 wear the shirt that you bought him And he just doesn't like 783 00:39:01,810 --> 00:39:05,530 like you give your dad some gift and he's just like keeps wearing 784 00:39:05,530 --> 00:39:07,490 like the same shitty, like you know polo. 785 00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:09,010 He'll do it once many years. Yeah. 786 00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:15,210 Yeah, as a very apt comp. Yeah, it's just. 787 00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:17,450 I'm just skeptical. Yeah, I agree with Leonie. 788 00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:18,890 Put it well. Like, good. 789 00:39:18,970 --> 00:39:20,890 I think A talented player and a good offense. 790 00:39:20,890 --> 00:39:23,610 I'm just like. Skeptical of how all the pieces 791 00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:26,330 come together and Josh Allen like all of a sudden starts 792 00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:27,970 using this pass catching running back. 793 00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:31,490 But I I think it's OK. It's not completely unreasonable 794 00:39:31,490 --> 00:39:34,250 Steam, I don't think. Well, do you think it continues? 795 00:39:34,290 --> 00:39:36,810 Like, do you think he goes? Yeah, I think he used to. 796 00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:40,330 Rise because you. Yeah, I do too. 797 00:39:40,330 --> 00:39:44,490 Because when you look at the high stakes ADP, he's quite a 798 00:39:44,490 --> 00:39:45,890 bit higher than this. Yeah. 799 00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:49,050 And I I think that's an indication like of who I took 800 00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:50,730 him. I took him in the sixth round of 801 00:39:50,730 --> 00:39:54,690 a main event. I I don't think I can do that. 802 00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:57,250 I don't think I'm there I. Don't think I'm there either. 803 00:39:58,850 --> 00:40:02,050 And I was like 7. Turn, I mean, I was drafting, I 804 00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:04,490 was drafting with some guys who get very nervous about our 805 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:07,010 running back to every year we're like starting like Phillip 806 00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:09,170 Lindsay at running back to and these guys just get really 807 00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:10,810 nervous. So they were like, let's just do 808 00:40:10,810 --> 00:40:12,930 James Cook. Yeah, whatever. 809 00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:16,290 I mean we have them I think in the eighth round of a main 810 00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:19,810 event, which I'm obviously like very pleased with, but so I sure 811 00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:22,870 I like. I liked him before. 812 00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:25,110 I'm overweight, I have like 12% cook. 813 00:40:25,110 --> 00:40:28,270 But he's like one of those players where like some some of 814 00:40:28,270 --> 00:40:30,550 these guys we're gonna just like, have to say goodbye to, 815 00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:32,350 right? We had a nice July together, but 816 00:40:32,350 --> 00:40:34,910 like we're it's time to move on. It's a summer. 817 00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:37,350 It was a summer fling. It was a summer fling. 818 00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:41,950 I mean, I'm probably personally, I'm swinging on Javante Williams 819 00:40:41,950 --> 00:40:43,070 before. Yeah, James. 820 00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:45,850 Yeah. Yeah, and then I mean, I could, 821 00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:48,010 I'm almost afraid to say, the other person I'd rather take 822 00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:49,210 because you guys will just make fun of me. 823 00:40:49,210 --> 00:40:51,210 But like, I'd rather take David Montgomery. 824 00:40:51,330 --> 00:40:52,690 I knew James. I knew no. 825 00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:55,130 David Montgomery is a good pick. Don't, don't let these. 826 00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:56,650 Don't Michael. Do not let these guys. 827 00:40:56,650 --> 00:40:57,930 I'm a little. Nervous. 828 00:40:58,330 --> 00:41:00,530 I'm Montgomery. Just like, even Gretch likes him 829 00:41:00,530 --> 00:41:01,850 this year. And I'm like, something's up. 830 00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:06,690 It's because it's because it gives us a we are all at our 831 00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:10,290 core, the people who were doing, you know, spreadsheets like by 832 00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:13,810 hand and excel on all this work at Rotovis in 2014. 833 00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:17,010 And one thing we know is that running backs who weigh 220 834 00:41:17,010 --> 00:41:20,090 pounds get more work than running backs to weigh 195 835 00:41:20,090 --> 00:41:22,770 pounds. And Jamir Gibbs weighs 195 836 00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:24,810 pounds. David Montgomery weighs 225. 837 00:41:24,850 --> 00:41:26,210 It's it's really that simple. Let. 838 00:41:26,890 --> 00:41:28,010 Me. Take it much, Montgomery. 839 00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:32,290 But he's he's not that gross like he he's he's not priced 840 00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:33,930 high enough to where I can really be. 841 00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:35,770 Like it's disgusting. Yeah, I feel like. 842 00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:38,410 James Luck should be in between like that tier and then when you 843 00:41:38,410 --> 00:41:40,680 get into like. I don't know, like Dalvin, 844 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,600 Rashad White, DeAndre Swift. Like I take cook ahead of those 845 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,280 things. Do not put Dalvin in this tier. 846 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,960 Do not capitulate. That's not in that tier. 847 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,240 Get out of here. He's not even in that tier by 848 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,920 ADP. He's in the 90s. 849 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,720 Yeah, Okay. Well, I mean, that's not far. 850 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:58,480 I mean, those guys are. We'll get to Dalvin. 851 00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,840 We'll talk about Brees and the flowers. 852 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,200 We'll get to the Dalvin discussion. 853 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:05,590 Let's quickly talk Musgrave. This is Steam I'm buying. 854 00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:08,310 Yeah, you can't get high. You can't get him high enough 855 00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:10,150 for me. Yeah I tweeted this out. 856 00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:13,870 So the route, sorry the the role looks really good from us Grave, 857 00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:16,990 which I think you can kind of think of as the floor for a tie 858 00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:18,870 down. He's run nearly all the routes, 859 00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:21,390 played nearly all the snaps with Green Bay starters. 860 00:42:21,590 --> 00:42:23,750 Even if you think that regresses a little bit once we get like 861 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:26,470 full games, like it still looks like a very good role. 862 00:42:26,910 --> 00:42:30,910 And then he's earned 5 targets on 17 preseason routes. 863 00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:33,350 Again, very small sample but like. 864 00:42:33,850 --> 00:42:36,170 Like, I think we're seeing everything we want to see from 865 00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:38,690 an exciting late round rookie tight down. 866 00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:41,610 He's a freak athlete. Obviously his prospect profiles 867 00:42:41,610 --> 00:42:42,970 like a Little Mix. He was injured. 868 00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:47,810 But man, like, I I don't see why he goes like 30 picks after La 869 00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:49,450 Porta. Like I would take La Porta over 870 00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:52,290 him straight up, but I think that should be like a very close 871 00:42:53,370 --> 00:42:55,770 grouping there. So I'm still buying Musgrave. 872 00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:58,090 We only curious what you think on on Musgrave. 873 00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:01,050 Yeah, I I'm still buying, but I think it's. 874 00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,420 Like James Kirk is just gonna keep going up. 875 00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:06,980 I don't know how it is. How long the opportunity is 876 00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:09,220 gonna last? I mean, LaPorte is up to tight 877 00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:12,260 end 14, I bet. I bet Musgrave can get to tight 878 00:43:12,260 --> 00:43:15,580 end 15, but in like a week. Yes. 879 00:43:15,580 --> 00:43:17,300 OK. Couple questions then for for 880 00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:21,980 people Luke Musgrave or Gerald Everett Musgrave? 881 00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:24,100 Pretend ADP doesn't exist. Just. 882 00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:25,820 I don't know. I think I'd probably see Gerald 883 00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:30,340 that right, but. I mean offense. 884 00:43:30,580 --> 00:43:33,460 I mean the offense. The discrepancy in offenses is 885 00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:36,380 enough for me at A at a the tight end position, Everett will 886 00:43:36,380 --> 00:43:37,820 be. Everett will be way more 887 00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:42,780 efficient, but Musgrave has like he's #5 in the pecking order in 888 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:45,500 Chargers targets. Probably Musgrave might be #2 in 889 00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:46,940 in. Yeah, I guess I just like, I 890 00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:48,220 don't. I don't know, maybe. 891 00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:52,620 Maybe I'm too bearish on. Just like still, like, how many 892 00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:55,180 targets are rookie tight ends going to get? 893 00:43:55,740 --> 00:43:56,940 Even though like it looks really good. 894 00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:58,420 Looks like he has a job. I just don't know if that 895 00:43:58,420 --> 00:44:02,620 translates to just because there's if you got if if you got 896 00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:05,980 Kyle Pitts's rookie season, which obviously I know is like 897 00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:07,700 an insane wish casting. This is kind. 898 00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:09,820 Of Season of a Titan ever? Yeah, that'd be correct, right? 899 00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:11,460 So this is like this is like 90th. 900 00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:15,380 This is like 90th percentile. 90th, 90th. 901 00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:17,700 It wasn't the best. 90th percentile. 902 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:21,980 They usually keep drafting Muskrat, Bronx scored, Bronx 903 00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:25,230 scored like 11 touchdowns. Yeah, Pitts could have one 904 00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:26,550 touchdown this rookie year. It wasn't. 905 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:27,950 From a fantasy perspective, it wasn't. 906 00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:31,030 I guess I was just thinking like the volume of the yards. 1000 907 00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:33,110 Yards is a rookie. The yards, Yeah, yeah. 908 00:44:33,110 --> 00:44:35,430 But not total points. I think it's not alright with 909 00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:37,110 tight ends. It's always gonna be more about 910 00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:40,830 the touchdowns anyways. I don't know. 911 00:44:40,830 --> 00:44:43,270 So I like. Gerald Evers gonna score more 912 00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:45,630 touchdowns. Here's here's my rookie tight 913 00:44:45,630 --> 00:44:47,070 end rant. Like, quickly. 914 00:44:47,110 --> 00:44:50,150 I I do think, like you talk about Muscave's target earning 915 00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:51,470 Leoni. I agree with that. 916 00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:53,050 Like. I'm a little bit skeptical of 917 00:44:53,050 --> 00:44:55,850 rookie tight ends, but I think historically the problem with 918 00:44:55,850 --> 00:44:59,450 rookie tight ends has not been like per route efficiency in 919 00:44:59,450 --> 00:45:01,330 terms of earning targets. It's been that they're always 920 00:45:01,410 --> 00:45:03,250 blocked. They're always blocked by like 921 00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:06,770 an Austin Hooper type, like Chickakoko was last year at Greg 922 00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:09,330 Dulcich was last year. Like those guys earned targets 923 00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:12,050 at a really high rate last year. They're just barely on the field 924 00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:13,890 because some veteran is blocking them. 925 00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:18,570 So I'm actually like, I think I, you know, I'm a little bit 926 00:45:18,570 --> 00:45:20,810 fading this narrative that rookie tight ends can't. 927 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,000 Do it. I really think it's that has to 928 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,240 do with some competent blocking veteran like blocking them from 929 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,160 seeing the field more than them not being able to catch some 930 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,240 passes. So that's my thought and why I'm 931 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:32,760 sort of more bullish. I also think. 932 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,160 We also take the. If you're gonna make this bet on 933 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,680 a guy and you're like, how many targets can really have, are 934 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,560 they gonna really even pass that much and all that? 935 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,680 It is nice that he's a downfield threat. 936 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,920 Like that's the role they're gonna have him in as a seam 937 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,800 stretcher. So it is. 938 00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:50,810 He's not, I don't think gonna do what Kyle Pitts did but it's 939 00:45:51,010 --> 00:45:53,610 somewhat similar. We're like they'll probably 940 00:45:53,610 --> 00:45:58,570 split him out wide like they'll they'll like use him downfield a 941 00:45:58,570 --> 00:46:01,650 fair amount. Got someone was telling me they 942 00:46:01,970 --> 00:46:03,490 they were using him on an end around. 943 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:05,410 Yeah, he's gone. This is. 944 00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:10,330 This is this is Liam because Liam Kyle. 945 00:46:10,330 --> 00:46:13,330 And I wanted to take, we wanted to take Hunter Henry instead of 946 00:46:13,330 --> 00:46:14,770 Luke Musgrave and our main event. 947 00:46:14,810 --> 00:46:16,850 And Liam has like, not let us live it down. 948 00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:19,150 That that is what it was. He was. 949 00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:21,830 I was talking to Liam and he was like Hunter Henry's never run an 950 00:46:21,830 --> 00:46:26,750 end around his goddamn life. Yeah, so yes, Luke Musgrave. 951 00:46:27,150 --> 00:46:29,870 But the other thing I like about him, you know, if I didn't have 952 00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:32,550 any correlation tiebreakers, I'd probably go Musgrave over 953 00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:34,910 Everett. Just cuz like, I don't think 954 00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:37,950 Romeo Dobbs is that good. Jaden Reed's kind of a whatever 955 00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:42,070 prospect this is, the total bull case is that he could see 109 956 00:46:42,070 --> 00:46:44,950 targets as the second pass catcher on the Packers. 957 00:46:45,390 --> 00:46:48,030 Yeah, it's not just the tight end competition, which is broken 958 00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:50,430 heavily in his favor. Like Tucker Craft now looks like 959 00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:53,390 the tight end three behind the guara, right? 960 00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:55,470 So. To guara Tyler Davis who played 961 00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:57,990 Tyler Davis who played snaps from last year, tours ACL. 962 00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:59,310 So that was actually sneaky, I think. 963 00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:04,510 Kind of big for for Musgrave. I feel like a lot of times I got 964 00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:06,310 heat. I get heat with projections of 965 00:47:06,310 --> 00:47:08,270 like just giving guys volume, cuz it's there. 966 00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:10,150 And I kind of feel like I'm on the opposite end of this 967 00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:12,930 argument, where like. I have no dispute that like the 968 00:47:12,930 --> 00:47:15,610 target opportunities there in Green Bay, but like I think 969 00:47:15,610 --> 00:47:19,090 we're getting a little optimistic and well we're we're 970 00:47:19,090 --> 00:47:21,850 up, we are absolutely getting optimistic because he has the 971 00:47:21,850 --> 00:47:23,410 buzz. So that's what your brain wants 972 00:47:23,410 --> 00:47:25,850 to project is like. Sure, if everything goes his 973 00:47:25,850 --> 00:47:28,930 way, he could see 110 targets. He could also see he could play 974 00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:31,930 all these snaps and see 60. In which case all of our 975 00:47:31,930 --> 00:47:35,370 excitement was worth nothing. All right, Leon. 976 00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:36,650 A couple. I'm trying to get see where 977 00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:38,290 Leonie's out on this. Would you take him over? 978 00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:40,290 Arab Smith? Yes. 979 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:47,720 That guy Dulcitch. I don't know that feels about. 980 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:51,040 Fair enough. I mean I think he'll get to that 981 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,680 range. I don't think he, I don't think 982 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,080 like he's, I would take ever over him, but I don't think it's 983 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,840 like absolutely. Yeah I do like I'm not trying to 984 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,160 be anti jailed effort. I think he's he's a pretty good 985 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,280 bet where he goes to last thing on Musgrave. 986 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,560 I was reading about Dan Brugler's prospect. 987 00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:14,090 Profile on the Beast and Musgrave's background prior to 988 00:48:14,090 --> 00:48:19,570 football was in ski racing and he talked about how some of his 989 00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:23,090 moves kind of look like doing slalom on the ski course. 990 00:48:23,090 --> 00:48:25,330 And when I read that I was all the way in after that. 991 00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:30,730 So pretty insane background. How have we not gotten that 992 00:48:30,730 --> 00:48:32,370 nugget till now? That's amazing. 993 00:48:32,890 --> 00:48:36,290 Yeah, he was like really good. A total civic Northwest bro. 994 00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:38,650 He was like a lacrosse player, a skier. 995 00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:40,850 Like I'm I'm all in on this much great thing. 996 00:48:42,010 --> 00:48:44,050 Let's let's do the briefs Dalvin thing. 997 00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:45,690 I think everyone wants to hear about that. 998 00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:50,370 Briefs is down 10 spots. Pretty big drop. 999 00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:52,490 Just yeah. Curious. 1000 00:48:52,770 --> 00:48:55,330 Starting with you Leonie. Let's start on the briefs side 1001 00:48:55,330 --> 00:48:56,890 of this discussion. Then maybe we can get to delve 1002 00:48:56,890 --> 00:48:58,780 in. Pick 44. 1003 00:48:58,780 --> 00:49:02,700 That means Breece is kind of in the same range as running backs 1004 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,460 like Joe Mixon, Naji Harris actually slightly after those 1005 00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:07,900 guys. And then with wide receivers 1006 00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:12,580 like Terry Mclaurin, Mike Williams, DeAndre Hopkins, Drake 1007 00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:16,700 London, what is your stance on Breece in that range? 1008 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:23,630 I think that's about fairly valued in that range but anytime 1009 00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:25,990 he slips further than that I'm pretty excited to get him and 1010 00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:28,590 the variants on him's been pretty high like on DraftKings 1011 00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:30,950 you can get him in around 5 a lot, which to me is just like 1012 00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:34,350 absolute auto pick. I think in general these running 1013 00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:38,870 backs that fall, I'm not as much on Ram Andre, but like Jacobs 1014 00:49:38,910 --> 00:49:41,950 when he was falling like just if you're drafting these basketball 1015 00:49:41,950 --> 00:49:44,470 tournaments, you can build these insane teams if you take these 1016 00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:47,150 running back risks and it's not like super high stakes that 1017 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:50,050 like. I've just been trying to the 1018 00:49:50,050 --> 00:49:52,530 last week or two like build around guys like Breece and 1019 00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:54,570 those other running backs that are falling cuz people are 1020 00:49:54,570 --> 00:49:59,850 scared. Yep, Davis, we only knows the 1021 00:49:59,850 --> 00:50:02,850 secret, which is that our entries are gonna lose anyway. 1022 00:50:02,850 --> 00:50:05,250 So you might as well try and build things that can really 1023 00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:07,050 think for you when it goes right. 1024 00:50:07,050 --> 00:50:11,520 Like I mean I feel like this is a little bit under discussed in 1025 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,800 in fantasy Twitter Breese literally at practice before 1026 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,360 Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook has a shoulder 1027 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:24,560 injury and is having his child was born and he has a legit 1028 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,240 potential domestic violence suspension. 1029 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,800 Now it's probably not going to convey based on what I've read 1030 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,320 and had his worst, had his worst advance match. 1031 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:38,450 So like, really, what it comes down to taking Alvin and and 1032 00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:41,410 letting Breese fall 10 spots in a DP right now it's literally 1033 00:50:41,410 --> 00:50:44,210 just we're getting Aaron Rodgers the power. 1034 00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:46,810 We're saying we're saying Aaron Rodgers just commands it to be 1035 00:50:46,810 --> 00:50:49,730 so and therefore it will be so. But I mean, I don't know, like 1036 00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:52,770 Rodgers is not dumb. He's going to see these guys in. 1037 00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:57,090 OK, well yeah, he is. I mean, this is the same guy who 1038 00:50:57,530 --> 00:51:01,010 completed a, this is the same guy who completed 101 yards to 1039 00:51:01,010 --> 00:51:03,570 Jeff Janis on one drive and then ran him out because he, like, 1040 00:51:03,570 --> 00:51:05,730 brought him the wrong type of coffee one day or something. 1041 00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:07,870 So maybe he is. Maybe he is. 1042 00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:11,190 Yeah, but Rogers is also like 40 years old and he's trying to win 1043 00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:14,630 a Super Bowl. And you know, maybe he's dumb, 1044 00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:18,190 but I don't think he's like stone cold moron like where he 1045 00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:23,510 can't see what's in front of him like for 8-9 weeks at a time. 1046 00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:27,270 Like eventually if Breese is back to 100%, he's going to run 1047 00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:31,670 circles around Dalvin. I will say like I have been 1048 00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:35,460 surprised. That ETN is still so cheap. 1049 00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:39,780 Like I so hard agree. I I've been you know, as I've 1050 00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:43,300 been looking at what how I play this as someone who is very high 1051 00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:45,780 on briefs before the Dalvin Cook signing and I have a ton of 1052 00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:48,300 them. I would love to be taking briefs 1053 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:51,340 still cuz now I get this discount and I don't mind having 1054 00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:54,620 a really big position on this Uber talented young running back 1055 00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:56,820 in the middle rounds. But. 1056 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,240 I'm like, you know, it's kind of nice that I can actually sit 1057 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,920 here in the middle of the 4th and take ETN and if I'm going to 1058 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,880 try to play for for fifth round breeze ever, like that's the way 1059 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,920 I can do it. I've been like legitimately 1060 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,480 shocked that ETN, who has no issues with injury, is going to 1061 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,160 be healthy for the very beginning of the season. 1062 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,000 You don't have to worry about, oh, is he going to be a low 1063 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,880 advance rate player? Like if he hits he's he's going 1064 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,080 to be a high advance rate player. 1065 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,280 I don't really understand why he's available. 1066 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,640 Is it just the is it just the Bigsby stuff? 1067 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:25,640 I mean, is that? Is it really? 1068 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,680 So yeah, is it just that? Yeah, but like to me like mixing 1069 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:36,000 you know Harris, those guys over briefs like to me it's get out 1070 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,160 of here. I have no interest in that. 1071 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,080 But ETN, I think as much as I like briefs, I mean it's hard at 1072 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,120 this point to say ETN should go behind briefs all. 1073 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,400 I've had that same thought with. I really get that. 1074 00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:49,040 Yeah. I've had the same thought with 1075 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,320 ETN and RAM. Andre, I'm like. 1076 00:52:51,930 --> 00:52:54,730 I guess like from Andre, the pass catching up side, you can 1077 00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:56,570 sell me on that being a lot higher. 1078 00:52:56,570 --> 00:52:58,850 I guess same with Breese, right? Like those guys have higher pass 1079 00:52:58,850 --> 00:53:02,770 catching ceilings in ETN. But man, I'm just kind of like 1080 00:53:02,890 --> 00:53:06,530 leaning into the safety a little bit and I'm etn over both those 1081 00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:08,930 guys right now. Heavy ETN over both those guys 1082 00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:10,610 too. Yeah, like, I just think the 1083 00:53:10,610 --> 00:53:13,250 upside with ETN is hot. Like, I don't know the Tank 1084 00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:15,450 Bigsby stuff. I'm like sure he's gonna play a 1085 00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:17,820 little bit, but. Again, I did this rant last week 1086 00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:20,540 so I don't wanna do it again but every running back has a backup 1087 00:53:20,540 --> 00:53:23,020 that's gonna play a little bit like we don't need to freak out 1088 00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:26,180 about Tank Bixby. Also that that one goal, that 1089 00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:29,100 one short yardage carry. People forget in that game that 1090 00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:32,660 they had like a first and goal from the three and ETM was on 1091 00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:35,140 the field, he didn't get the carry but he was on the field in 1092 00:53:35,140 --> 00:53:37,660 that situation. Bixby got like a third and one 1093 00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:40,220 like on the 40 yard line or something and people are saying 1094 00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:42,420 oh short yardage roll, it's Bixby's, it's over. 1095 00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:44,660 It's like, I don't know about that so. 1096 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,760 Yeah. Leone what what are your 1097 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,200 thoughts in that debate of those those 3 backs like Ramondre? 1098 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,080 No, I I'd have ETN first probably. 1099 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,040 I mean I think the pass catching is a little bit of a concern 1100 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,600 that they just might not throw to running backs and they also 1101 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,320 want to use Hasty a little bit. But ultimately, you know, it's 1102 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,440 just a really explosive player that I think sometimes when guys 1103 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,280 don't hit their ceilings in a year, we get like more 1104 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,000 disappointed than we should. Like I don't think our. 1105 00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:17,140 You know like the main take away from a lot of people from his 1106 00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:19,060 first years. Oh he didn't catch catch passes 1107 00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:21,740 and we thought it would but like the offense is gonna be really 1108 00:54:21,740 --> 00:54:22,980 good. He's an explosive player. 1109 00:54:22,980 --> 00:54:26,060 He's a young player. I I don't think you really have 1110 00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:28,300 to overthink it too much. Like guys are gonna miss. 1111 00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:29,740 So like is there some risk? Yeah. 1112 00:54:29,740 --> 00:54:34,980 But I I probably take him ahead of breeze and I'm I'm kind of 1113 00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:38,020 bearish on Ramondre. So definitely over reminded. 1114 00:54:38,020 --> 00:54:41,940 We talked about that because I've been weirdly bearish on 1115 00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:44,620 Ramondre, but in a way where I'm mad at everyone about it. 1116 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,400 Because I don't want to be bearish on Andre and I thought I 1117 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:54,360 wouldn't be like, I have them at the I'm at 37 in my ranks, but 1118 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,320 that's below ADP and it's like, what? 1119 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,600 What are we doing? They did sign someone who's 1120 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,680 going to potentially take goal line work like that has to 1121 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,680 factor in some, right? Yeah. 1122 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,360 I mean the new prices like decent like we were just kind of 1123 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,200 factoring from the beginning that they were going to sign 1124 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,380 someone. Shout out Pat Thorman. 1125 00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:10,660 He was like really on top of that. 1126 00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:13,060 So we had we've had Ramadre basically where he's been 1127 00:55:13,060 --> 00:55:16,300 drafted now all offseason except for very early. 1128 00:55:16,740 --> 00:55:19,900 But I'm concerned with a couple of things. 1129 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:23,260 One, I think he has some dead zone characteristics. 1130 00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:25,780 Like people don't want to say that because he's a young back 1131 00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:28,220 that they like. But the team that has a tough 1132 00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:31,260 schedule, that could be a really shitty offense like, which is 1133 00:55:31,260 --> 00:55:33,700 bad. And it's a player that, even 1134 00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:37,100 though he should pass, caught a ton last year. 1135 00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:40,260 Wasn't super efficient. I saw the the Jacob tweet and 1136 00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:42,260 like I'm not trying to hold it against him because it's good 1137 00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:45,300 that he got those targets. But yeah, then you bring in Zeke 1138 00:55:45,460 --> 00:55:49,780 who like he can take goal line touches and pass block. 1139 00:55:49,780 --> 00:55:52,180 Those are high value touches. So not not if you're going to 1140 00:55:52,180 --> 00:55:54,940 lose some high value touches and you're going to play on an 1141 00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:58,780 offense that's not good. It could go bad. 1142 00:55:59,060 --> 00:56:02,740 It could that like I don't know. I just I I have much stronger 1143 00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:05,390 preferences for. Other player like I'd rather 1144 00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:07,270 take Jamir Gibbs for sure, I think. 1145 00:56:08,830 --> 00:56:11,350 Yeah, Stevenson has also never been hyper efficient. 1146 00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:13,630 Like he's been good. I like Stevenson. 1147 00:56:13,710 --> 00:56:17,630 He's a good player. It's not what he's volume 1148 00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:19,270 dependent. I mean he's volume dependent. 1149 00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:21,710 Yeah, like most running backs, most running backs are volume 1150 00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:24,230 dependent. But he's, I don't think he like 1151 00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:27,070 there's certain guys who I think kind of rise above that where 1152 00:56:27,070 --> 00:56:29,070 I'm like like Jonathan Taylor, right. 1153 00:56:29,070 --> 00:56:32,190 Like, yeah, obviously you have issues there with with a high 1154 00:56:32,190 --> 00:56:35,940 place, but like. I'm willing to like overlook 1155 00:56:35,940 --> 00:56:37,980 some of the volume red flags with Jonathan Taylor, cuz it's 1156 00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:40,860 like it's Jonathan Taylor. I don't feel that way about 1157 00:56:40,860 --> 00:56:44,380 Ramondre Stevenson. I think that's very fair, yeah. 1158 00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:48,300 I'm with Pat and like Breece and Etienne, you do feel a. 1159 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,140 Little bit that way, right? Yeah. 1160 00:56:50,180 --> 00:56:51,980 Yeah. Those guys are crazy explosive. 1161 00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:52,940 I feel that way. Yeah. 1162 00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:56,620 Yeah, I probably, yeah, I definitely have ETN over 1163 00:56:56,620 --> 00:57:01,040 Ramondre, I think with Breece. It would be close. 1164 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,440 And just the fact that Breese is like falling in some drafts, I'd 1165 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,480 probably still go from Andre. I don't know, Again, like I have 1166 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,440 plenty of Breese. I think like Dalvin signing was 1167 00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,680 the worst case scenario. I know people are saying, oh, it 1168 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,800 doesn't impact Breese's ceiling that Dalvin signed there. 1169 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,480 I sort of see where people are going with that argument. 1170 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,920 But like I think it inherently impacts the ceiling that Dalvin 1171 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,570 signed there just because. There's plenty of times in NFL 1172 00:57:26,570 --> 00:57:30,370 history where the worst backup running back just sees the field 1173 00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:33,010 a lot because the coaches want them to, the quarterback wants 1174 00:57:33,010 --> 00:57:36,690 them to like Thomas Jones for Jamal Charles in Kansas City. 1175 00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:39,250 Yeah, you know, Zeke first, Pollard last year. 1176 00:57:39,250 --> 00:57:43,090 Like, I don't think we can say Breese doesn't impact like Cook 1177 00:57:43,090 --> 00:57:45,330 sealing. Even if Cook like is not good 1178 00:57:45,330 --> 00:57:47,930 and Breese is way better, he could be on the field a bunch 1179 00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:49,490 and that impacts Breese's ceiling. 1180 00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:51,850 Yeah, it's like one of these things where I don't like. 1181 00:57:52,610 --> 00:57:53,810 There's two things. It's. 1182 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,480 What is his ceiling outcome and is that now fundamentally 1183 00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,560 changed by the signing Devin Cook To that I say no, I don't 1184 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,680 think it's fundamentally changed. 1185 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,320 I think he can still get to a similar ceiling outcome. 1186 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,280 How likely is that outcome to occur? 1187 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,200 Yes, yes. I think he's now lower. 1188 00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:13,590 Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. 1189 00:58:13,590 --> 00:58:17,350 That's what I'm saying, yeah. That's yeah, I I I think we all 1190 00:58:17,350 --> 00:58:20,190 fully agree. And I mean, I don't think 1191 00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:22,390 Dalvin's the worst pick at its current ADP right now. 1192 00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:23,990 Like, I think he's OK right there. 1193 00:58:24,070 --> 00:58:26,350 Yeah. I'm definitely not taking Dalvin 1194 00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:28,030 now. No interest. 1195 00:58:28,070 --> 00:58:30,910 He did still have some pretty explosive runs last year. 1196 00:58:31,150 --> 00:58:34,350 I mean, I guess I'm most concerned that they shoulder 1197 00:58:34,350 --> 00:58:39,270 still an issue because and I I saw some research and stuff on 1198 00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:41,370 him that like. One of his biggest issues last 1199 00:58:41,370 --> 00:58:43,970 year was like with contact because the shoulder injury, 1200 00:58:44,090 --> 00:58:46,330 like the explosive speed was still there so. 1201 00:58:46,330 --> 00:58:50,050 His success rate was horrendous and in a couple of True Media 1202 00:58:50,050 --> 00:58:54,090 and NFL Next Gen. both had him. All the Twitter doctors when he 1203 00:58:54,090 --> 00:58:56,450 had the surgery the first time said this is going to be an 1204 00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:57,690 issue for the rest of his career. 1205 00:58:57,690 --> 00:59:00,330 This isn't really something that ever goes away for a dude who 1206 00:59:00,330 --> 00:59:03,090 gets tackled for a living. So that's fair. 1207 00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:05,650 I think if you think that and and I think it's a reasonable 1208 00:59:05,650 --> 00:59:08,330 take then. You don't want him, but I think 1209 00:59:08,330 --> 00:59:10,690 if you're just like, oh, he's dust, like I'm not drafting him 1210 00:59:10,690 --> 00:59:12,850 that that that's kind of the wrong opinion. 1211 00:59:13,530 --> 00:59:16,210 Yeah, I he's a he's a little mispriced for me. 1212 00:59:16,210 --> 00:59:19,410 If I if I knew he had this role and he would have retained like 1213 00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:21,810 if it was like Hammer Khalil Herbert, I don't know maybe I 1214 00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:22,650 would have take. I don't. 1215 00:59:22,650 --> 00:59:24,450 I probably still wouldn't have. Just because I'm stubborn, 1216 00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:25,890 honestly. I still want Herbert, man. 1217 00:59:26,130 --> 00:59:28,850 I want Herbert over Dalvin Cook. Herbert could be good like he's 1218 00:59:28,850 --> 00:59:31,370 the he could just. If Herbert is good he could be 1219 00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:33,250 the Bear. Starting running back all year 1220 00:59:33,970 --> 00:59:36,160 like it's, that's pretty simple. He's good. 1221 00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,880 He's a starting run. If Dalvin's good, then first of 1222 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,840 all, I think it's a higher chance that Herbert's good than 1223 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,520 Dalvin. But even if Cook is good, he's 1224 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,760 still going to have to deal with Breese Hall, who's going to be 1225 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,320 100% by roughly Week 5, and by the end of the year he will be 1226 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,240 100%. Coming back from the clean ACL 1227 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,480 tier like that, he's been on track. 1228 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,480 He's practicing now like he's on track for that. 1229 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,520 That's a problem. That's a problem for Dalvin 1230 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,480 Cook's late season upside so. I don't know. 1231 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,640 He can. He serves a purpose like he 1232 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,240 definitely. He's kind of like an expensive 1233 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:11,600 version of Jamal Williams. Samaji P Ryan, I think he, you 1234 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,360 know, and you could say he's better picked than those guys, 1235 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,560 cuz he'll probably have a longer stretch of usefulness. 1236 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,880 But to me he's like in that archetype where if I really need 1237 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,920 the running back help early, he's like a worse version to 1238 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,280 Dave Montgomery kind of thing. I'm like, all right, yeah, I'm 1239 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,490 gonna, I think that's fair. But I think, like the high value 1240 01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:28,930 touches for The Jets are going to be better than for the Bears 1241 01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:30,490 at the running back position overall. 1242 01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:32,530 So it's not like a one to one. That's we have to worry about 1243 01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:35,810 that contact stuff, right? Like if he's if he sucks at 1244 01:00:35,810 --> 01:00:38,370 contact. Yeah, if you think the shoulder 1245 01:00:38,370 --> 01:00:41,090 injury like that's it, you're out. 1246 01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:43,010 You know what I mean. But I'm just saying like if if 1247 01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:48,290 you're like more unsure on that and think it's possible, if 1248 01:00:48,290 --> 01:00:51,010 shoulder's not an injury, the high value touches for The Jets 1249 01:00:51,010 --> 01:00:53,010 are going to be better, both receptions and. 1250 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,800 Yeah, I mean, Rogers has made. How many dudes has Rogers made? 1251 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,800 Like Total Fantasy Football studs. 1252 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,160 He's so good at that. The other thing too is, I mean, 1253 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,200 contingent value does work both ways. 1254 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,480 Like, we always look at it from the lens of the player we like 1255 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,560 more. But like Breece is coming back 1256 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,920 from an ACL injury or he could just randomly get hurt having 1257 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,800 nothing to do with that. And Dalvin Cook is like like 1258 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,840 that. He could suck and be amazing in 1259 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,560 in that. Case yeah, yeah, yeah. 1260 01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,320 And I think we can feel really good that. 1261 01:01:23,130 --> 01:01:26,370 Dalvin completely ices the likes of Carter and Son of the Night. 1262 01:01:26,370 --> 01:01:29,330 Like The Jets are not high on these guys at all Like and yeah 1263 01:01:29,410 --> 01:01:31,890 and yeah, the the last thing we'll say on Dalvin and then we 1264 01:01:31,890 --> 01:01:35,370 can move on like we were drafting AJ Dillon in like the 1265 01:01:35,370 --> 01:01:38,690 6th last year on basically the same thesis. 1266 01:01:38,690 --> 01:01:41,650 Like he had a way more talented running back ahead of him in 1267 01:01:41,850 --> 01:01:45,050 Aaron Jones. That wasn't really the thesis. 1268 01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:47,130 OK is. Dylan's talent. 1269 01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:52,130 Yeah, but is AJ Dillon good? Yes. 1270 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,160 If you asked someone drafting him in 2022, they would have 1271 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,640 been like, yeah, dude. Yeah, they would be like, you 1272 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:02,760 see those quads, brother. I'm on Team Dalvin Cook is 1273 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,680 better than AJ Dillon, but whatever, Even if I'm not, even 1274 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,080 if you completely disagree with that, it's like kind of the AJ 1275 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,440 Dillon bet, but three rounds later, right? 1276 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,980 Like, that seems fine. I think it's fine. 1277 01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:20,340 Where, again, if you think this shoulder is a permanent problem, 1278 01:02:20,340 --> 01:02:21,700 you're out. But if you don't think the 1279 01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:24,300 shoulder is a permanent problem, like, it's hard for me to see 1280 01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:26,260 where he's not, like, a pretty reasonable pick. 1281 01:02:26,740 --> 01:02:28,900 Yeah. You know, he was still like, you 1282 01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:31,380 know, just outside the top 10 fantasy points for game last 1283 01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:35,580 year. Like, he's not dead, you know? 1284 01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:38,540 I mean, he's not terrible. He's not. 1285 01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:41,180 I still probably won't take him because I'm stubborn, but like 1286 01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:43,940 you have outlined, a very reasonable and rational argument 1287 01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:46,900 for why he still can be a good pick where he's going. 1288 01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:48,820 Yeah. Yeah, and I think he can serve a 1289 01:02:48,820 --> 01:02:51,220 purpose for your team. Like if you were like thinking 1290 01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:53,860 about drafting James Conner because you need early running 1291 01:02:53,860 --> 01:02:57,860 back points, like maybe take someone else and go get Cook in 1292 01:02:57,860 --> 01:03:00,300 the next round or whatever. Like, I think you know, he can, 1293 01:03:00,420 --> 01:03:03,220 he can serve a purpose. I have him on one mastiff and I 1294 01:03:03,220 --> 01:03:06,060 think I'm good, but you know. I got, yeah. 1295 01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:07,380 I've got him in some high stakes like. 1296 01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:10,350 Crazy to low, like one 20s, One 10s. 1297 01:03:10,350 --> 01:03:13,430 Yes, I got him and I'm just like, yeah, that seems great. 1298 01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:18,030 Let's go to Miles Sanders. Here he is falling off the 1299 01:03:18,030 --> 01:03:21,390 growing issue, even this new ADP71. 1300 01:03:21,590 --> 01:03:24,590 I think that understates where he's like, actually going in 1301 01:03:24,590 --> 01:03:26,070 drafts now. Maybe it's a small sample from 1302 01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:27,430 what I'm doing, but I'm seeing him. 1303 01:03:27,710 --> 01:03:31,430 In the late. 80s, like late 70s, Like every draft I'm in now. 1304 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,200 Man I was not. And Pat we had this argument in 1305 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,760 our in our chat yesterday. I was I think both of us were 1306 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,000 out on Sanders. You were even more out on him 1307 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,360 than I was. But man like pick eighty. 1308 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,520 I think the math starts to look pretty like irrefutable on 1309 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,520 Sanders being a good pick there. I guess we'll start with you 1310 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,120 Leone. I know you guys like just 1311 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,840 projections wise and your rankings would be quite high on 1312 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,240 Sanders at pick 71. Are you actually drafting him or 1313 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,600 you are you following the ETR ranks there or how you how you 1314 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,950 dealing with this? I'm probably drafting him a 1315 01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:07,350 little bit later, but I'm definitely not out on him. 1316 01:04:07,550 --> 01:04:11,870 Like you guys know me, I'm a I'm a value drafter in general, and 1317 01:04:12,750 --> 01:04:15,750 I think he's not like that. You know, I think he's in that 1318 01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:17,830 David Montgomery range right now. 1319 01:04:19,390 --> 01:04:23,150 He just got a low key. He just got a low key boost too, 1320 01:04:23,350 --> 01:04:26,270 because Shuba Hubbard has played every running back snap with 1321 01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:29,870 Bryce Young in the preseason and. 1322 01:04:30,730 --> 01:04:33,970 Shuva Hubbard's ankle got rolled over on and I was doing a little 1323 01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:36,450 bit of digging because Hubbard is one of my biggest positions. 1324 01:04:36,450 --> 01:04:39,930 I've just been hoovering him up. So he had an ankle injury in 1325 01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:44,130 2020 that caused him to miss a bunch of time and he also 1326 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:47,810 suffered an ankle injury to the same ankle last year. 1327 01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:50,770 There hasn't been an update yet. I'm going to guess we'll get one 1328 01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:54,690 probably this afternoon from Panthers training camp, but. 1329 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,160 If it would like I thought it was projecting like Sanders was 1330 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,480 going to be in a split with Hubbard based on the stuff that 1331 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,360 I was reading from Panthers training camp. 1332 01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,800 And if Hubbard is going to be dinged up, not ready for Week 1 1333 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,560 or or you know comes back too early and he's just suffering 1334 01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,320 from this ankle thing. Like it's. 1335 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,320 I think they've really broadcasted Blackshear Sanders 1336 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,320 or a Blackshear Spencer Brown. None of these guys are not a 1337 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,720 part of their plans at all. So if Hubbard's ankle is a 1338 01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,920 problem? What would have maybe been a 1339 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,800 6040 with Hubbard and losing a lot of the long down and 1340 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,000 distance stuff is actually going to go Sanders his way. 1341 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,720 Now you can tell I've really been thinking about this a lot, 1342 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,040 because I went back and looked more at Miles Sanders stuff as a 1343 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,580 result. Such an interesting profile. 1344 01:05:39,580 --> 01:05:42,340 The Eagles clearly drafted him with the idea that he was going 1345 01:05:42,340 --> 01:05:44,380 to be a good, long downed distance guy. 1346 01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:47,700 Saw 65 targets as a rookie. He was so bad. 1347 01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:50,380 He was so inefficient and got more inefficient. 1348 01:05:50,620 --> 01:05:52,100 He was inefficient. You're one. 1349 01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:53,460 He was not. You're one. 1350 01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:54,100 He was good. You're. 1351 01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:56,900 One, he was good as a receiver. Actually, if you guys go to 1352 01:05:56,900 --> 01:05:59,460 Chris Towers his profile, he tweets about this like once a 1353 01:05:59,460 --> 01:06:03,260 year because it's so startling. There's this play where Sanders 1354 01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:06,580 messes up his route. Gets the target anyways and 1355 01:06:06,580 --> 01:06:08,500 drops it. And then basically ever since 1356 01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:10,940 this play the Eagles stopped throwing in the ball to the 1357 01:06:10,940 --> 01:06:14,820 point that I think, I think it was 25 targets for 78 yards was 1358 01:06:14,820 --> 01:06:16,580 his line as a receiver last year. 1359 01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:20,620 So I don't think the Panthers signed him to be this long down 1360 01:06:20,620 --> 01:06:21,780 a distance guy. I. 1361 01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:25,500 I still like playing it the Hubbard route, especially 1362 01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:28,300 because normally when you see the starting running back fall, 1363 01:06:28,300 --> 01:06:31,780 you'll see a corresponding jump in the handcuffs ADP, but there 1364 01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:33,540 is not been a corresponding jump for Hubbard. 1365 01:06:33,580 --> 01:06:37,300 I I don't really know why that is, but I still prefer to play. 1366 01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:39,540 It. That way, Yeah. 1367 01:06:39,740 --> 01:06:42,460 I I yeah, I just mentioned that he's got this ankle injury now. 1368 01:06:42,980 --> 01:06:44,380 We'll see what happens with this ankle. 1369 01:06:44,380 --> 01:06:47,140 If it ends up being nothing. I still like it playing that 1370 01:06:47,140 --> 01:06:48,620 way. If not, I will be. 1371 01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:53,450 Bag defending. So I saw, I saw Frank Reich give 1372 01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:55,970 a press conference little quote on this thing and he was like, 1373 01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:57,930 they were like, what's the deal basically? 1374 01:06:57,930 --> 01:07:00,770 And he was like, listen, like these guys are going to be fine. 1375 01:07:00,930 --> 01:07:04,970 And like we talked to the talk to the medical staff about their 1376 01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:07,210 path to being able to play week one. 1377 01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:10,210 And you know, even if they're not fine, we'll be fine. 1378 01:07:11,010 --> 01:07:12,410 What the fuck does that mean, man? 1379 01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:16,060 That is the literal fucking king of press conferences. 1380 01:07:16,060 --> 01:07:19,300 I mean, every week this guy has something from the he's so good 1381 01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:21,900 at it, yeah. Well, you know what it makes me 1382 01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:25,780 worry about is could they be a team that signs Cream Hunt, 1383 01:07:26,380 --> 01:07:28,460 right? Or or something like. 1384 01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:30,140 That because they. Literally might not have a 1385 01:07:30,140 --> 01:07:33,620 starting running back. They don't like Spencer Brown or 1386 01:07:33,620 --> 01:07:36,020 Blackshear at all. These guys have been like total 1387 01:07:36,020 --> 01:07:38,540 mop up duty second-half of the second preseason game. 1388 01:07:38,540 --> 01:07:40,580 Like they do not care about these two guys at all. 1389 01:07:41,530 --> 01:07:44,050 Yeah. So I would have a hovered ankle 1390 01:07:44,330 --> 01:07:47,490 update that would make me feel a lot better. 1391 01:07:47,490 --> 01:07:50,730 The Sanders thing for me, like where he's slipping now, like we 1392 01:07:50,730 --> 01:07:54,050 haven't projected I think for like 37 targets on the year, but 1393 01:07:54,050 --> 01:07:57,330 like, I think he could catch 50 balls, you know? 1394 01:07:57,730 --> 01:07:59,530 He could. And that's like we're not 1395 01:07:59,530 --> 01:08:02,090 projecting anywhere near that. And we still kind of have them 1396 01:08:02,090 --> 01:08:05,530 as OK and like we've cratered his ceiling odds we've cratered 1397 01:08:05,530 --> 01:08:08,880 his ceiling efficiently like we've done all these things And 1398 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,480 I guess it just comes back to a base assumption as if you think 1399 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,360 he's the starting running back when healthy or not. 1400 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,720 Like if you think he's kind of the the started you think if 1401 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,920 it's like a 2 to one ratio with him versus Hubbard then like 1402 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,240 he's a pretty good pick at where he's falling now especially when 1403 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:27,279 he falls after the new ADP. I think there's a little bit 1404 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:31,880 more upside than people think where it just you know he it's 1405 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,720 it's hard to parse like you said Davis. 1406 01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,479 The Philly stuff, like they did not throw running backs much and 1407 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,359 in base last year, right? But. 1408 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:42,160 Like, but they were, the more is probably gonna throw to running 1409 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,640 back in. The more damning thing was that 1410 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,840 they specifically just drafted Kenneth Gainwell to like remove 1411 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,359 that work and entirely I guess, but the, as we saw with Ramondra 1412 01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,439 last year, just getting a bunch of bullshit and base. 1413 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,840 Yeah, totally. Yes, it does. 1414 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,760 It does. We we saw, you know, with Joe 1415 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,240 Mixon to an extent last year too, you know, obviously much 1416 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,439 better offense. So it's like not a one to one, 1417 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:11,560 but like he was able to get a 10% target share just in base, 1418 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,319 you know, because of checkdowns and stuff. 1419 01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:17,880 And I think that outcome for Sanders has been a little bit 1420 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,640 under appreciated. The issue for me with Sanders as 1421 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,960 he goes down into this range is that like. 1422 01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:29,630 OK you're you're making kind of a status quo bet with Sanders. 1423 01:09:29,630 --> 01:09:31,270 Like this is the guy they brought in. 1424 01:09:31,270 --> 01:09:34,189 This is the guy that kind of dubbed the starter and you're 1425 01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:37,069 you're sort of being like you know he's he's going to get the 1426 01:09:37,069 --> 01:09:41,390 first crack for as long as he's you know not terrible but he 1427 01:09:41,390 --> 01:09:45,830 enters the season injured. We don't have like a ton of 1428 01:09:45,830 --> 01:09:48,870 confidence that he's playing week one which that alone. 1429 01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:51,149 I mean, if he's missing time early in the season, potentially 1430 01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:54,229 that needs to be factored into the ADP, but then like. 1431 01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:57,630 I don't really feel confident that he is better than Hubbard. 1432 01:09:57,990 --> 01:10:00,830 Like I think they're pretty similar as far as their talent 1433 01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:03,350 goes based on what Hubbard did. Hubbard was very efficient last 1434 01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:05,150 year like he was he, he. Runs. 1435 01:10:05,390 --> 01:10:09,110 The format was very similar. Amazing college player Hubbard 1436 01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:10,910 was. Yeah, like we're counting that. 1437 01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:12,630 Yeah, and Sanders was a backup in college, Yeah. 1438 01:10:13,230 --> 01:10:15,310 I got some got some breaking, breaking news. 1439 01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:17,310 Sanders is in practicing pads today. 1440 01:10:17,310 --> 01:10:21,610 Wow. Breaking news, All right, was 1441 01:10:21,610 --> 01:10:23,890 it? Hubbard had twice the amount of 1442 01:10:23,890 --> 01:10:26,770 carries his rookie year as he did last year and was at 3.6 1443 01:10:26,770 --> 01:10:28,010 yards per carry. So like. 1444 01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:32,090 I don't think Hubbard is too recency biased on like oh, he's 1445 01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:34,370 a. I do not think Hubbard is like, 1446 01:10:34,370 --> 01:10:38,050 a really good NFL player either. Like he was getting Alex Sanders 1447 01:10:38,050 --> 01:10:39,370 very. I mean, yeah. 1448 01:10:39,970 --> 01:10:42,010 I I would say like, I think. I'm just gonna get one of the 1449 01:10:42,010 --> 01:10:44,820 league out there. Like, I mean, I don't know who 1450 01:10:44,820 --> 01:10:46,500 the fuck's battered between the two of them. 1451 01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:48,940 I don't really care. I don't know that if I had. 1452 01:10:49,380 --> 01:10:52,980 I care if Sanders isn't. I mean, the the practicing in 1453 01:10:52,980 --> 01:10:54,380 pads thing kind of blows up my argument. 1454 01:10:54,380 --> 01:10:56,620 But if Sanders doesn't get the first crack of the job, then it 1455 01:10:56,620 --> 01:10:59,500 definitely matters who's better. Yeah, sure he is. 1456 01:10:59,660 --> 01:11:01,660 He is going to get the first crack on the gym where like 1457 01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:05,500 basically what I'm saying is like if the base assumption is 1458 01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:07,420 he's the starter, it's hard for him to be a bad pick. 1459 01:11:07,420 --> 01:11:10,540 If you think that assumption's wrong, we're on a different 1460 01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:12,500 plane, and like, I can see where you would like him. 1461 01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:14,340 But like, if you're under that base assumption, there's not 1462 01:11:14,340 --> 01:11:16,580 really much evidence to support that, like. 1463 01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:19,420 I am once again under that base assumption now that he's 1464 01:11:19,420 --> 01:11:22,460 practicing, but like if he was potentially missing week one, 1465 01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:25,100 then like he by definition would not get the first crack at the 1466 01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:27,340 jump. So yeah, that, that, that's 1467 01:11:27,340 --> 01:11:30,220 fair. I think with him practicing now 1468 01:11:30,220 --> 01:11:32,820 is actually like pretty huge, Huge. 1469 01:11:32,860 --> 01:11:35,860 I do this like I think this is your buying window like him. 1470 01:11:35,980 --> 01:11:39,060 Him practicing with Hubbard banged up is a nice. 1471 01:11:39,490 --> 01:11:40,370 Window for sure. Yeah. 1472 01:11:40,610 --> 01:11:41,730 I was just saying that's the other things. 1473 01:11:41,730 --> 01:11:44,090 Like Hubbard's hurt too. It's not like just Sanders 1474 01:11:44,170 --> 01:11:45,930 that's banged up. Yeah, yeah. 1475 01:11:46,170 --> 01:11:48,170 And we haven't said it. We haven't said his name yet, 1476 01:11:48,170 --> 01:11:50,970 but Levis Kushnal, running back, one season. 1477 01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:55,290 Let's move on. Let's move on. 1478 01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:57,970 I wanted to call it a couple players that aren't on risers or 1479 01:11:57,970 --> 01:12:00,450 fallers, but I think had some pretty interesting preseason 1480 01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:03,680 usage stuff to discuss. The first one is Giovante 1481 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:04,960 Williams. We've mentioned him a couple of 1482 01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,720 times, I think just awesome news. 1483 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,120 Like I know he was in a timeshare with P Ryan, I don't 1484 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,720 care about that right now. Just awesome news that he could 1485 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,200 play in a preseason game off this multi ligament ACL tear. 1486 01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,920 Like that's awesome to me. I think this price is pretty 1487 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,000 fair now. I know he's risen quite a bit 1488 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,120 from he was going in the hundreds in May, maybe 110 ish. 1489 01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,200 I'm fine with this pic. I don't think it's like a smash. 1490 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,000 I still somewhat concerned about the injury, but it seems about 1491 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:32,560 right to me. Yeah. 1492 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,880 And anybody have thoughts on Jamalte's ADP at? 1493 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,400 75 I kind of think he's a guy you buy almost all the way up 1494 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:43,040 because a lot of these things like one. 1495 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,800 I think the cool thing about Chavante is that he's kind of 1496 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,600 always earned early down target. So even if he is in this sort of 1497 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,920 timeshare with. P Ryan where P Ryan's handling 1498 01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,400 the long down and distance, I still think Javonte will earn a 1499 01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,520 good bit of actually, weirdly enough, in a very similar way to 1500 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,960 Alvin Kamara with the Saints and Drew Brees and Sean Payton where 1501 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,200 Kamara would actually get replaced on long down and 1502 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:10,200 distance by like just a panoply of of dusty running backs 1503 01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,320 through New Orleans Saints. I mean he was losing third downs 1504 01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,360 to Mark Ingram, all these different guys, and it never 1505 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,400 really mattered because he earned targets on early downs. 1506 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,060 But also if we're just looking. In the pocket of drafts where 1507 01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:24,700 he's going, I think there are so few guys you can tell yourself a 1508 01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:28,060 story about like, oh, this is the guy you need, right? 1509 01:13:28,340 --> 01:13:31,420 Like, so we're looking at. I like these guys. 1510 01:13:31,420 --> 01:13:33,820 I like James Cook and I like David Montgomery. 1511 01:13:33,820 --> 01:13:37,540 But I think Javante's odds, and especially compared to Miles 1512 01:13:37,540 --> 01:13:40,900 Sanders and Cam Acres, I think his upside is way better. 1513 01:13:40,940 --> 01:13:42,500 Like way, way. I mean, he could. 1514 01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:46,500 I think there are seasons where javante catches like 70 passes. 1515 01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:49,580 And I don't think that about really anyone else who goes 1516 01:13:49,580 --> 01:13:53,220 around him. Yeah, I like Ciovante a good 1517 01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:55,620 bit. We were way behind on him early. 1518 01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:59,260 We thought the injury risk was understated and it's gone the 1519 01:13:59,260 --> 01:14:02,860 exact opposite way where he's come back even earlier than 1520 01:14:02,860 --> 01:14:04,780 expected, which I'm surprised by. 1521 01:14:04,780 --> 01:14:08,080 But given that information, yeah, I think he's a pretty 1522 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,480 strong pick at where he is. I'm probably not quite as 1523 01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:12,800 bullish as Davis because I still think like you've got a coaching 1524 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,600 staff change, you've got an offense that we're still a 1525 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,760 little bit unsure about and and the injury risk, I want to say 1526 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,800 is gone. It's like really positive news. 1527 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,240 But like we had positive news on guys last year and then they 1528 01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,480 just couldn't quite do it and they had setbacks and stuff. 1529 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:29,920 But yeah. Godwin. 1530 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,920 Godwin is the guy I'm thinking of who came back from the ACL 1531 01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,480 and immediately injured his hamstring. 1532 01:14:34,930 --> 01:14:36,970 I mean, Dobbins too have. Dobbins too. 1533 01:14:36,970 --> 01:14:39,410 Yeah, that's, you know, which was his injury was most 1534 01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:41,930 compared. To Jovantes and I think that's 1535 01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:45,490 the because it is still that multi ligament tear that more 1536 01:14:45,490 --> 01:14:49,370 serious knee injury that the the interview that Levitan did was 1537 01:14:49,370 --> 01:14:52,490 Stefania Bell I thought was really interesting or like there 1538 01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:56,370 is just like a it's your knee like it's not like you can just 1539 01:14:57,730 --> 01:15:00,850 be awesome and like power through like your knee recovery 1540 01:15:00,850 --> 01:15:04,050 like you at some point are going to. 1541 01:15:04,570 --> 01:15:07,730 Brought up against like just the structural issues with with the 1542 01:15:07,730 --> 01:15:10,130 knee itself if you're putting too much on it. 1543 01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:13,770 So like I kind of hope that they do use P Rhino but I'm actually 1544 01:15:13,770 --> 01:15:18,450 still drafting P Rhine because my hope is that they bring back 1545 01:15:18,690 --> 01:15:22,530 Javante somewhat slowly and then he crushes down the stretch. 1546 01:15:22,570 --> 01:15:25,250 But I still get I can use P run early in the season. 1547 01:15:25,250 --> 01:15:28,290 So I'm drafting P Ryan but also to the your down the cook point 1548 01:15:28,290 --> 01:15:30,530 I mean I think P Ryan still has contingent value in that way. 1549 01:15:31,570 --> 01:15:33,570 So I I'm going to be a little bit more. 1550 01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,960 I'll probably be like at ADP or a little bit behind on Jovante 1551 01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,720 the rest of the way. He's not someone I wanna be like 1552 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,480 leading the charge on. Yeah and the this one like 1553 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:50,240 strategy tip on Jovante. And I know it always isn't this 1554 01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,080 clean in your drafts, but I would recommend trying to get 1555 01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:57,120 exposure in the snapshot tournaments rather than BBM 1556 01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,820 because. Again, I don't think it's like 1557 01:15:58,820 --> 01:16:01,900 egregious to take him in BBM. He's only risen like 3 rounds, 1558 01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:04,740 but you are competing with a ton of teams that have gotten him at 1559 01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:07,420 pick 100. So if you can make that 1560 01:16:07,420 --> 01:16:10,780 distinction in your drafts, I would recommend being a little 1561 01:16:10,780 --> 01:16:13,980 bit selective in in where you're taking Jimantu Williams. 1562 01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:18,700 Let's talk to your Chig econ quo. 1563 01:16:18,980 --> 01:16:21,620 This one I think is like going a little bit under the radar cuz 1564 01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:25,340 he's actually fallen in ADP, which is wild to me. 1565 01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:28,420 He has a little background like CHIGGS ADP. 1566 01:16:28,580 --> 01:16:32,260 He was kind of in the 121 thirtyish range for a lot of the 1567 01:16:32,260 --> 01:16:33,900 off season. He's just kind of like slowly 1568 01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:36,780 drifted down. I think you know obviously the 1569 01:16:36,780 --> 01:16:40,140 the DeAndre Hopkins signing had something to do with that. 1570 01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:43,460 I think people pointing out that he played sort of a limited bit 1571 01:16:43,460 --> 01:16:45,300 role last year has something to do with that. 1572 01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:50,320 But man his his usage in. The preseason so far has been 1573 01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,280 really good. He's playing at 11 personnel 1574 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,200 that's like absolutely critical for for tight ends and both in 1575 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,120 terms of floor and ceiling to play in 11 personnel. 1576 01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:04,120 He's out there doing that. So I I I guess like you can say 1577 01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,080 he was maybe overpriced before we knew that and like I don't 1578 01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,800 know you can make the argument multiple ways. 1579 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,760 I'd really like jig at at 153 I I would be chasing him up a 1580 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:17,200 couple rounds just based off what he did last year. 1581 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,290 Curious Leone. How how does the math shake out 1582 01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:22,210 here with with the Titans tight end? 1583 01:17:22,290 --> 01:17:24,530 Even if you sort of bump out his role, do you think he has enough 1584 01:17:24,530 --> 01:17:27,650 upside at this cost? Yeah, I feel like you described 1585 01:17:27,650 --> 01:17:29,930 it well, like we were maybe a little too aggressive before we 1586 01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:32,690 knew he'd be playing more. But now that we've seen at least 1587 01:17:32,690 --> 01:17:35,770 the potential that he's playing in 11 personnel, that's really 1588 01:17:35,770 --> 01:17:38,610 strong sign. And I mean you guys talked about 1589 01:17:38,610 --> 01:17:40,650 with Musgrave like available targets. 1590 01:17:40,970 --> 01:17:46,220 You know with Oconque we have more I guess proof that he's 1591 01:17:46,220 --> 01:17:49,860 good at the NFL level and we have all the available targets 1592 01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:52,980 too like even if they have Hopkins and a healthy trail in 1593 01:17:52,980 --> 01:17:54,940 bergs, like there's just nothing else. 1594 01:17:54,940 --> 01:17:59,140 So I like a conquer quite a bit And I'd also like at the new the 1595 01:17:59,140 --> 01:18:03,140 tag he's at right now too is like it doesn't preclude like a 1596 01:18:03,380 --> 01:18:06,340 late round tight end strategy. Like, it's not like he's going 1597 01:18:06,340 --> 01:18:08,620 where you have to take two tight ends, like you can take three 1598 01:18:08,620 --> 01:18:10,660 tight ends with. Yeah, you can take really 1599 01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:13,980 easily. You can take Jake Musgrave and 1600 01:18:13,980 --> 01:18:16,580 then Jake Ferguson and you're. Like, yeah, you're feeling. 1601 01:18:16,580 --> 01:18:19,180 So that's that's beautiful. Pat, you're on. 1602 01:18:19,180 --> 01:18:20,940 I'm. I can take three tight ends and 1603 01:18:20,940 --> 01:18:23,180 he doesn't even have to be the the first one. 1604 01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:24,980 He could be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1605 01:18:25,420 --> 01:18:29,620 Yeah, yeah, I've come around and Chig pretty significantly. 1606 01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:32,900 I'm I'm pretty high ahead of ADP now on him. 1607 01:18:34,180 --> 01:18:37,140 I was just shocked when I did my write up on the tight ends that 1608 01:18:37,740 --> 01:18:39,940 how much he had played on play action. 1609 01:18:40,590 --> 01:18:43,350 Which I I kind of thought he was going to be this like rotational 1610 01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:47,510 receiver type but cuz he's he's like short right He's he's like 1611 01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:50,190 kind of more of like the move tight ends in my mind. 1612 01:18:50,190 --> 01:18:53,110 But he's like, I think he can play the traditional tight end 1613 01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:55,990 in 11 and stuff. And to your point about them not 1614 01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:58,790 having anyone, Leoni, like, I think they know that, like I 1615 01:18:58,790 --> 01:19:00,950 think they're well aware they don't have anyone else. 1616 01:19:01,310 --> 01:19:03,750 Kyle Phillips got hurt in their preseason game, too. 1617 01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:05,030 Yeah. Yeah. 1618 01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:08,030 So I mean that that kind of directly impacts Jake, cuz they 1619 01:19:08,030 --> 01:19:10,480 probably be. Earning targets in the same part 1620 01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:14,560 of the field, but they're gonna run plays for him too, like they 1621 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,880 did at the end of last year. Like even if he does, like they 1622 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,800 manufacture stuff for him. Yeah, 100%, yeah. 1623 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,400 Yeah, and they don't throw to the running back that much. 1624 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,600 Like when they Derek Henry got what? 1625 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,090 Like. 35 catches last year or something. 1626 01:19:27,090 --> 01:19:29,490 We were like, hell yeah, it's like. 1627 01:19:29,570 --> 01:19:33,810 Hey, we don't need, we don't need to slander Derek Henry on 1628 01:19:33,810 --> 01:19:35,050 this program. No, I'm just saying like. 1629 01:19:35,050 --> 01:19:36,570 Do you know? Do you know who he plays in week 1630 01:19:36,570 --> 01:19:38,690 17? Brother Dude, that was not 1631 01:19:38,810 --> 01:19:40,850 slander. That was like an objective 1632 01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:42,050 truth. We were at pumped. 1633 01:19:42,050 --> 01:19:46,770 He got 35 catches. Yeah, there's there's there's 1634 01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:49,370 not competition. It's not like Mccaffrey's here 1635 01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:51,090 soaking up targets out of the backfield or something. 1636 01:19:51,090 --> 01:19:51,810 So. Yeah. 1637 01:19:52,570 --> 01:19:54,810 Last thing I'll say, I'm Chig and I think I kind of want to be 1638 01:19:54,810 --> 01:19:57,450 more on this. Last year is like tracking where 1639 01:19:57,450 --> 01:20:00,130 like the gross blocking tight ends are moving around the 1640 01:20:00,130 --> 01:20:02,330 league. Jeff Swain, like no one wants to 1641 01:20:02,330 --> 01:20:04,850 talk about Jeff Swain on a fantasy show or Austin Hooper. 1642 01:20:05,050 --> 01:20:08,410 But both those guys leading is like absolutely massive for. 1643 01:20:08,410 --> 01:20:10,650 Chig So Bullish? Because they were replaced with 1644 01:20:10,650 --> 01:20:13,930 like absolute nobodies, like Josh Weil was like a fifth round 1645 01:20:13,930 --> 01:20:16,730 pick, the Titans took Trayvon. Wesco is basically like a 1646 01:20:16,730 --> 01:20:18,490 fullback. I think he played on the Bears 1647 01:20:18,490 --> 01:20:20,970 last year. He's he's in there, Jet. 1648 01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:25,310 Yeah, like these guys, even though like Swain and Hooper are 1649 01:20:25,310 --> 01:20:27,390 bad and no one wants to talk about them, they're so much 1650 01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:29,790 better than these other guys that are placing them with that. 1651 01:20:29,790 --> 01:20:32,910 It's just huge for Chig's role to have those backup tight ends 1652 01:20:32,910 --> 01:20:35,790 like switching out. So I was kind of late on like 1653 01:20:35,790 --> 01:20:37,310 paying attention to this, but I think the. 1654 01:20:37,820 --> 01:20:40,860 The bear case for Chig wasn't thinking about, like, who the 1655 01:20:40,860 --> 01:20:43,020 hell are they gonna play over him if he's not playing 11 1656 01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:45,100 personnel? Like there's nobody who's like a 1657 01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:48,220 proven NFL blocker. Well, you know I would, I would 1658 01:20:48,220 --> 01:20:53,380 give you 1 cautionary tale on that because Andrew Beck was 1659 01:20:53,380 --> 01:20:58,420 playing over Albert O last year. Eric, Eric. 1660 01:20:58,660 --> 01:21:00,460 Eric, Robert. Eric Tomlinson. 1661 01:21:00,540 --> 01:21:05,290 Like I I would Albert. O They were making up Eric's I 1662 01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:06,770 would be making. Up They're making up guys who 1663 01:21:06,810 --> 01:21:07,850 wanted hair. Dulcitch. 1664 01:21:08,050 --> 01:21:10,050 There was like a bunch of dudes with long hair that weren't 1665 01:21:10,130 --> 01:21:13,690 dulcitch around there. I live with this, yes, and Beck, 1666 01:21:13,930 --> 01:21:16,010 Beck and Saubert had long hair, I think. 1667 01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:18,810 But I just, I've lived the wanting to make the young tight 1668 01:21:18,810 --> 01:21:21,410 end happen thing and then being like look at all these jabronis 1669 01:21:21,410 --> 01:21:24,970 on the depth chart and then cut to week one and the jabronis are 1670 01:21:24,970 --> 01:21:29,160 are playing 50% of the snaps. The the irony is after week one, 1671 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:30,680 it was like wheels up for Albert. 1672 01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,160 Oh, he had, he had five targets and we were like, oh, it's, it's 1673 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,480 over. Like Alberto, Albert Osison is 1674 01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:39,240 here, yeah? Yeah, all right. 1675 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,880 Anyways, I still think I'm in on Jake at Jason up a couple 1676 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,640 rounds. Let's move on to Michael Wilson. 1677 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,680 He is up justifiably. I think he's just kind of a 1678 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,560 clear starter. And usually when rookies are 1679 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,560 clear starters in the beginning of the year, they don't. 1680 01:21:55,940 --> 01:21:57,900 Lose that role. Maybe we can think of some 1681 01:21:57,900 --> 01:22:00,340 examples of guys that were bad enough that they lost the role, 1682 01:22:00,340 --> 01:22:02,780 but it's kind of hard for a rebuilding team. 1683 01:22:02,780 --> 01:22:05,780 It's kind of hard to imagine them going away from Michael 1684 01:22:05,780 --> 01:22:10,220 Wilson once he has that role. Anyways, I would take, I think, 1685 01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:12,260 Michael Wilson. I don't love his talent, don't 1686 01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:15,540 love his prospect profile, but. He's running routes, he's in the 1687 01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:17,740 18th round. Is there anything else to say on 1688 01:22:17,740 --> 01:22:19,980 my I've had to. I've had to consciously. 1689 01:22:20,420 --> 01:22:22,900 I've tried to. People have tried to tell me 1690 01:22:22,900 --> 01:22:25,460 things about Michael Wilson's college career and like his 1691 01:22:25,460 --> 01:22:26,980 production. And I've had to just be like, I 1692 01:22:26,980 --> 01:22:31,700 don't wanna know, do not tell me because the situation that he's 1693 01:22:31,700 --> 01:22:36,990 in right now is like I think one it's bullish because he is just 1694 01:22:36,990 --> 01:22:40,950 clearly ahead of of Ron Daley and and Greg Dortch. 1695 01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:43,710 Like he just clearly is a starting he's played every snap 1696 01:22:43,710 --> 01:22:48,110 with the starting offense in in their two preseason games and 1697 01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:50,950 he's got that. And you can tell yourself this 1698 01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:53,870 with every Cardinals player, but he's got the upside that Kyler 1699 01:22:53,870 --> 01:22:57,790 comes back and Week 8 and their offense like resembles something 1700 01:22:57,790 --> 01:23:01,470 like You might just have gotten a massive discount on a guy who 1701 01:23:01,470 --> 01:23:05,300 could see 50 targets from Kyler, Murray or something in the back 1702 01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:10,020 half of of the season. Yeah, I don't think about. 1703 01:23:11,820 --> 01:23:14,380 I don't know much about Wilson's profile or anything, but I kind 1704 01:23:14,380 --> 01:23:17,500 of just blindly think that any rookie wide receiver who's 1705 01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:20,700 earned his way into starting you should be taking in Route 18. 1706 01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:27,540 And he was. 16 maybe? Like, yeah, I take him in around 1707 01:23:27,540 --> 01:23:29,850 16. I don't have nearly enough. 1708 01:23:29,890 --> 01:23:32,010 I should have more. I think like a lot of the ETR 1709 01:23:32,010 --> 01:23:35,730 guys aren't on them, but I think just maybe that's like 2 micro 1710 01:23:35,730 --> 01:23:37,730 thinking and it's just like a macro like. 1711 01:23:38,250 --> 01:23:41,370 You gotta remove your prospect biases when like literally like 1712 01:23:41,410 --> 01:23:45,090 look at pick 200 like how many guys project for more routes and 1713 01:23:45,090 --> 01:23:47,890 Michael Wilson it's like maybe Mac Hollins you could tell me 1714 01:23:47,890 --> 01:23:51,130 projects more routes like maybe Robert Woods projects more 1715 01:23:51,130 --> 01:23:54,530 routes but besides that like I don't care. 1716 01:23:54,570 --> 01:23:56,380 He could suck and. Whatever. 1717 01:23:56,380 --> 01:23:58,100 Pick two. Like I I just all right. 1718 01:23:58,540 --> 01:24:00,540 I don't get the micro analysis of his profile. 1719 01:24:00,540 --> 01:24:02,980 Pick two. Well, we also don't the micro 1720 01:24:02,980 --> 01:24:07,300 analysis of his profile I think is like it's not it's not that 1721 01:24:07,300 --> 01:24:09,460 bad of a profile. Like it's not like there's no 1722 01:24:09,460 --> 01:24:11,700 reasons to think. It reminds me of weirdly almost 1723 01:24:11,700 --> 01:24:15,820 of like, Demian Pierce. Like Demian Pierce was he He 1724 01:24:15,820 --> 01:24:17,900 flashed a little bit. That's such a good point, 1725 01:24:17,900 --> 01:24:19,260 actually, yeah. Right. 1726 01:24:19,260 --> 01:24:21,900 He didn't get used a ton. He didn't do enough to where we 1727 01:24:21,900 --> 01:24:25,180 were, like, you know. We should be really excited 1728 01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:27,460 about this guy, but the team spends a little bit of draft 1729 01:24:27,460 --> 01:24:31,020 capital on him and signals the entire offseason that they're 1730 01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:33,420 going to be utilizing him right away. 1731 01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:36,060 And also the team's terrible and should be utilizing their 1732 01:24:36,060 --> 01:24:37,300 rookies right away to see what they have. 1733 01:24:37,740 --> 01:24:41,860 So as he moves up, I don't think we should be like shouting like 1734 01:24:42,260 --> 01:24:44,700 he never broke out. He's a fifth year player like 1735 01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:48,420 they're planning on playing him and he's athletic and he's going 1736 01:24:48,420 --> 01:24:50,620 to run a ton of routes, so I don't know. 1737 01:24:50,620 --> 01:24:52,260 The other thing is I would note that. 1738 01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:54,380 You know he only played six games. 1739 01:24:55,060 --> 01:24:58,900 In 20/22 he had 30% dominated rating, though he had a 26% 1740 01:24:58,900 --> 01:25:02,660 dominated rating is a is a sophomore, 29% only. 1741 01:25:02,660 --> 01:25:05,260 In four games as a junior he was a fifth year player. 1742 01:25:06,220 --> 01:25:10,260 He's definitely like not a good prospect, but he's a third round 1743 01:25:10,260 --> 01:25:13,580 pick who flashed a little bit. He's athletic and is now a 1744 01:25:13,580 --> 01:25:17,220 starting wide receiver and has dominated the summer as far as 1745 01:25:17,220 --> 01:25:19,860 like team reports go. Why would you not? 1746 01:25:19,860 --> 01:25:22,860 Take a chance on that. He was like, actually very 1747 01:25:22,860 --> 01:25:25,060 similar to Rashi Rice. He was like one of these guys 1748 01:25:25,060 --> 01:25:28,500 who got drafted because he fit. Mingo actually is like a good 1749 01:25:28,500 --> 01:25:31,340 comp of like, not that good of a prospect, but got overdrafted 1750 01:25:31,580 --> 01:25:34,580 because every wide receiver in this class weighed 170 pounds. 1751 01:25:34,820 --> 01:25:37,180 Like it was a situation where like the Cardinals are like we 1752 01:25:37,180 --> 01:25:41,260 very specifically want a guy who can do this one thing and they 1753 01:25:41,260 --> 01:25:43,460 got this guy in the building who can do the one thing. 1754 01:25:43,660 --> 01:25:46,900 He shows up the training camp, the thing they think he can do, 1755 01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:50,980 he can do starting job. I mean this is it's really as 1756 01:25:50,980 --> 01:25:56,460 simple. And now I like I was so very 1757 01:25:56,460 --> 01:25:59,540 famously. I was a Doors pro and I had very 1758 01:25:59,540 --> 01:26:04,980 little and I am up to 15% Michael Wilson, like I just am 1759 01:26:04,980 --> 01:26:07,620 hammering him. I'm at 10 1/2 percent on 1760 01:26:07,620 --> 01:26:10,660 Underdog and I feel, I feel like I'm missed the boat. 1761 01:26:10,660 --> 01:26:13,460 If anything, I'm at 16% on DraftKings, which is nice. 1762 01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:16,900 So this is Sam. You actually pointed this out on 1763 01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:19,260 Twitter a couple weeks ago. The DraftKings algorithm is like 1764 01:26:19,260 --> 01:26:21,500 pretty clearly broken when it gets to the later round. 1765 01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:26,000 Stuff like it doesn't filter it. So round 20, you can take 1766 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,080 Michael Wilson, you can take Josh Downs, you can take two to 1767 01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,760 Atwell because these got, for whatever reason, maybe they're 1768 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,080 not picked in every draft. I don't. 1769 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:33,800 Know what? No ADP. 1770 01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,000 Kyron Kyron has no ADP. Rico Dowell, who we're about to 1771 01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:42,320 talk to talk about has no ADP like there are there Deontay 1772 01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,840 Hardy has no ADP like there are, you know. 1773 01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:49,000 What I think it is, I bet in the $10 drafts no one is bothering 1774 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,240 to They don't go. They don't. 1775 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,410 Go so, so the. It's like the volume of drafts 1776 01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:56,010 is most of the $10.00, so it keeps those Adp's super low. 1777 01:26:56,930 --> 01:26:58,850 It could be. To me, it honestly looks like 1778 01:26:58,850 --> 01:27:01,090 something's broken, cuz sometimes like and it changes 1779 01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:03,130 each week. But sometimes, like this guy, I 1780 01:27:03,250 --> 01:27:05,050 forget his name. He was some guy who's literally 1781 01:27:05,170 --> 01:27:08,370 Charleston Rambo. Charleston Rambo had an ADP like 1782 01:27:08,370 --> 01:27:12,250 quite high in in the rankings above like tons of guys who were 1783 01:27:12,250 --> 01:27:14,570 like legit player. He's a guy from the USFL that 1784 01:27:14,570 --> 01:27:16,370 was on IR and he had like an ADP. 1785 01:27:16,610 --> 01:27:19,170 Like, I honestly think there's there's something wrong with 1786 01:27:19,170 --> 01:27:20,850 algo, but anyways, we don't need to go with that. 1787 01:27:22,180 --> 01:27:24,780 I do think we're gonna stay and talk through some of these dusty 1788 01:27:24,780 --> 01:27:27,380 RB 2 situations. Leoni does have to run out 1789 01:27:27,380 --> 01:27:30,740 before we do that, so we'll say bye to Leoni. 1790 01:27:30,860 --> 01:27:37,020 Before you go, give us your favorite closing line value pick 1791 01:27:37,180 --> 01:27:40,580 that's on the board right now. Right now we. 1792 01:27:41,660 --> 01:27:43,340 Can give you a second to think about it. 1793 01:27:43,420 --> 01:27:43,860 Hey, yeah. Yeah. 1794 01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:45,420 Give me a second here. OK. 1795 01:27:45,900 --> 01:27:49,620 Yeah, that's a good question. I can give mine. 1796 01:27:51,940 --> 01:27:56,060 So I am going to say that it's going to be Jeff Wilson with 1797 01:27:56,060 --> 01:28:00,620 this Devon a chain shoulder injury and Gaskin and Achmed 1798 01:28:00,620 --> 01:28:02,260 playing with the first team offense. 1799 01:28:02,260 --> 01:28:06,140 I think that's so clear to me. The way I read that Gaskin and 1800 01:28:06,140 --> 01:28:09,140 Achmed playing is not that the coaching staff likes them, it's 1801 01:28:09,140 --> 01:28:13,100 that they know exactly what they have in Jeff Wilson Junior and 1802 01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:15,500 most has just stayed in the role that he's going to play. 1803 01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:18,760 But Jeff Wilson, junior is going to be, it's going to be a week 1804 01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,960 from now and he's going to be, he's going to be a 12 round 1805 01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,520 pick, right? I mean, that's just the way this 1806 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:25,840 goes with the chain because McDaniel said a chain is week to 1807 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,520 week with the shoulder injury, which for a guy who was playing 1808 01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:32,640 special teams in the second quarter of his second preseason 1809 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,200 game like it, it seems that their plans were not to use a 1810 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,200 chain immediately. Yeah. 1811 01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,720 That's a good pick. That is a good pick. 1812 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:40,760 I'm. That's really good pick. 1813 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,080 I don't know. I'm struggling here to find like 1814 01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:46,040 one guy. I think it's like classical moni 1815 01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,260 can't make his hands. Feel free to. 1816 01:28:48,300 --> 01:28:52,380 Give I mean, Johnston has got has a chance to like rise up a 1817 01:28:52,380 --> 01:28:54,380 decent bit. I like that. 1818 01:28:54,380 --> 01:28:56,460 I just don't know. I think it's kind of capped, so 1819 01:28:56,460 --> 01:28:58,340 it's not really the best pick for this exercise. 1820 01:28:58,340 --> 01:29:00,620 But I think the close line value on him could be pretty solid, 1821 01:29:01,820 --> 01:29:03,420 especially in these managed leagues. 1822 01:29:03,620 --> 01:29:07,620 Maybe not as much underdog. Yeah, I could see that. 1823 01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:10,340 If he if he's like clearly had a Palmer in some preseason game, 1824 01:29:11,220 --> 01:29:14,020 I'd definitely see him rock like he's, I think he's slate sliding 1825 01:29:14,020 --> 01:29:16,460 a little bit recently, but I like that one. 1826 01:29:16,820 --> 01:29:18,140 Knew it was the only thanks for joining us. 1827 01:29:19,460 --> 01:29:21,340 Kincaid's gonna keep Verizon too. 1828 01:29:22,100 --> 01:29:23,980 Yeah, you're right. Liam's gonna make you guys. 1829 01:29:23,980 --> 01:29:26,260 William's gonna get there. I know, I know, I think. 1830 01:29:26,380 --> 01:29:29,740 Liam's gonna get there, I think. I capitulated, I capitulated. 1831 01:29:29,740 --> 01:29:32,870 And I take that in Kincaid. This all I just want for the 1832 01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:35,830 record, I yelled at Liam because he took Kincaid and Knox on the 1833 01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:38,230 same team. OK my my point all along is 1834 01:29:38,230 --> 01:29:39,470 they're not gonna pay all together. 1835 01:29:39,670 --> 01:29:40,230 I've. I've I've. 1836 01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:41,670 I. Actually think that's fine 1837 01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:43,110 because I think they're both can be on the field. 1838 01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:45,510 I don't think that a time. That's the part I don't really 1839 01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:46,310 buy. I think. 1840 01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:48,870 I think Kincaid's got to eat Knox and then he can pay off in 1841 01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:50,110 a big way, but I don't think that. 1842 01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:54,310 That's like 3. It wasn't. 1843 01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:55,630 All right, fine. Got you. 1844 01:29:56,630 --> 01:29:58,870 Time to pick. The lawyer Time to pick a pitch. 1845 01:30:01,020 --> 01:30:02,420 All right, we did wanna talk through. 1846 01:30:02,500 --> 01:30:04,020 I know we're running a little bit late here. 1847 01:30:04,380 --> 01:30:06,460 I do wanna talk through these Rbts. 1848 01:30:06,460 --> 01:30:08,580 I talked about early in the off season keeping track. 1849 01:30:08,580 --> 01:30:10,340 Should we? Just give our rising picks now 1850 01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:12,380 so we don't forget. Yeah. 1851 01:30:12,380 --> 01:30:14,180 Let's do that and then we'll talk to RBTS. 1852 01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:16,900 Pat, you have one. I'm gonna say Rashad Bateman, 1853 01:30:17,740 --> 01:30:21,060 who's back on the field practicing now and everyone's. 1854 01:30:21,460 --> 01:30:24,140 Everyone's written his obituary. It's Odo Beckham, guys. 1855 01:30:24,140 --> 01:30:26,860 Odo Beckham's the starter. Zay Flowers is the best rookie 1856 01:30:26,860 --> 01:30:28,100 pick. You know you gotta take him in 1857 01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:30,180 the third round. Didn't you hear Jack Settleman 1858 01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:33,220 on on the Soul cast last week saying that Odell is the guy you 1859 01:30:33,220 --> 01:30:34,780 need? That's what I'm saying. 1860 01:30:34,940 --> 01:30:36,940 All the slappies are out there talking to Odell. 1861 01:30:37,420 --> 01:30:40,060 That's exactly my point. Thank you for for reinforcing my 1862 01:30:40,060 --> 01:30:42,220 point. All the slappies are Odell. 1863 01:30:42,220 --> 01:30:46,620 You gotta take Odell. But you know Bateman's now back 1864 01:30:46,620 --> 01:30:48,620 out there. He had the cortisone shot that 1865 01:30:48,620 --> 01:30:51,020 everyone freaked out about, but doesn't seem like that's gonna. 1866 01:30:51,390 --> 01:30:55,430 Cost him any plank time in the season and not even completely 1867 01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:57,870 remove his practice reps in the offseason. 1868 01:30:57,870 --> 01:31:01,150 So I think we're going to start to get, Oh yeah, Bateman's good 1869 01:31:01,150 --> 01:31:04,990 stuff coming out here before week one and people are going to 1870 01:31:04,990 --> 01:31:07,870 stop being so nervous about it. So give me a shot, Bateman at 1871 01:31:07,870 --> 01:31:10,470 the pick near 100 now I think I'm getting. 1872 01:31:10,780 --> 01:31:12,700 I think I'm scooping the bottom here or close to the bottom 1873 01:31:12,740 --> 01:31:17,100 where I when I have a Lamar team now, I I push him to the 9th. 1874 01:31:17,140 --> 01:31:19,980 So if I'm sitting there like pick 84, whatever, I push it. 1875 01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:21,540 I wait. I wait to see if I get him. 1876 01:31:21,540 --> 01:31:24,260 We're on the next pick. I think that's fine, but I think 1877 01:31:24,260 --> 01:31:26,620 that's you're gonna start getting sniped on that, you're 1878 01:31:26,620 --> 01:31:28,780 gonna get annoyed and you're gonna start prioritizing in the 1879 01:31:28,780 --> 01:31:30,380 8th and everyone else is gonna start doing that. 1880 01:31:30,380 --> 01:31:31,740 And that's how we get that ADP rise. 1881 01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:33,580 I think yeah I think that's smart. 1882 01:31:33,620 --> 01:31:36,660 I I've I've been just reaching on him in Lamar stacks because I 1883 01:31:36,700 --> 01:31:38,980 did get sniped once trying to do that strategy. 1884 01:31:38,980 --> 01:31:40,600 I'm like, literally it makes. You. 1885 01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,600 I'm not taking it. It makes you insane because then 1886 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,000 because then you're. Like and you have to say go 1887 01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,560 dude, then you gotta do you don't. 1888 01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,880 You actually don't. No, you gotta do it. 1889 01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,040 You gotta do it. I am on track. 1890 01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,160 Kings where he go, where he what goes. 1891 01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,720 Even later I took Odell, I went took Flowers, Odell to try to 1892 01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,160 get the triple because we want the triple. 1893 01:31:58,160 --> 01:31:59,120 That's the only way you can do it. 1894 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,720 And I didn't get Bateman and I I mean, I've already mentioned 1895 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,760 this on the show like 3 weeks ago, but I think about that team 1896 01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,230 all the time. I could. 1897 01:32:06,230 --> 01:32:08,110 It's a 555. It could have, could have 1898 01:32:08,110 --> 01:32:10,910 Bateman. So annoying, yeah. 1899 01:32:11,390 --> 01:32:13,990 I I don't like being this argument cuz I think it's like 1900 01:32:14,390 --> 01:32:17,270 it's so hard to predict. But like if I was gonna say like 1901 01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:20,990 one group of players are the low advance rate, high ceiling 1902 01:32:20,990 --> 01:32:22,670 players, I think it's Ravens wide receivers. 1903 01:32:22,670 --> 01:32:25,670 Like I think it's gonna be really frustrating and like 1904 01:32:25,670 --> 01:32:27,910 maybe none of them are really gonna separate during the 1905 01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:31,070 regular season. But man, just sneaking a Lamar 1906 01:32:31,070 --> 01:32:34,190 Bateman stack into the playoffs just seems so, so funny. 1907 01:32:34,190 --> 01:32:35,310 What if they're? What if they're? 1908 01:32:35,350 --> 01:32:37,630 What if they're high advance rate, high win rate player? 1909 01:32:37,630 --> 01:32:39,790 I think that's what they are. Lamar, they could be both. 1910 01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:41,190 I'm taking a I'm taking a bunch of them. 1911 01:32:41,190 --> 01:32:45,150 So I hope that yeah, but. Yeah, Lamar seems like he could 1912 01:32:45,310 --> 01:32:47,470 pretty clearly be one of the answers to the test this year. 1913 01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:51,070 Dude, I'm reaching on Lamar so much in the third. 1914 01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:55,670 Not reaching a ton, but like once, like the couple players 1915 01:32:55,670 --> 01:32:59,870 are gone, like, I'm just, I'm just taking Lamar over like 1916 01:33:00,070 --> 01:33:02,910 Ramadra and taking over. Yeah, all those guys. 1917 01:33:03,070 --> 01:33:06,520 I am too, and by the way. Comment on why are we so out on 1918 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,480 Adele? I am actually on Sam's side of 1919 01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:11,040 this work. I'm so in on Lamar that I will 1920 01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,200 take my I'll eat my Odell vegetables at times. 1921 01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,560 I'm definitely gonna be underweight, but I'm not out. 1922 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:22,040 I have a I've got some some slow draft wisdom for my fellow 1923 01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:24,680 Slappy's out there, which is that actually people are so 1924 01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,960 hyper fixated on their stacks. You were actually much more 1925 01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,760 likely to get the 3-4 Lamar Andrews in slow drafts, 1926 01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,720 especially in the Puppy. So like I'm in a bunch of these 1927 01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,400 right now and I I I think I have 3 Andrews Lamar teams going 1928 01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,480 right now. Like you know, obviously not all 1929 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:45,160 of them are to the third round yet, but people are just so 1930 01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,720 hyper fixated on there that they don't catch the followers. 1931 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,920 As like obviously if it's egregious of guys 10 spots past 1932 01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,240 or whatever, but people are so hyper fixated on their stacks 1933 01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,480 that you're you're more likely to get it in these slow drafts. 1934 01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:02,840 I wish I had some more, some more of those. 1935 01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:04,360 Lamar Andrews It's It's tough to do. 1936 01:34:04,910 --> 01:34:09,030 Anyways, let's wrap here. Did I? 1937 01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:11,550 Oh, in my head I thought I did. Did I not say one out loud yet? 1938 01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:14,390 I don't think you did, unless we really weren't paying attention. 1939 01:34:14,590 --> 01:34:15,750 Whoa, yeah. No, I didn't. 1940 01:34:16,230 --> 01:34:19,150 I'm gonna go with wow, I already, I already have, like, 1941 01:34:19,150 --> 01:34:21,550 outlined the the argument in my head that I forgot. 1942 01:34:21,550 --> 01:34:25,110 I didn't actually say it. I'm gonna go with Josh Jacobs 1943 01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:28,390 here. We got kind of the news today 1944 01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:31,630 that he's back. It's kind of sketchy reporting, 1945 01:34:31,630 --> 01:34:35,720 but I trust it. Here's the weird thing on 1946 01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:37,760 Jacobs. I I see it going two ways. 1947 01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,120 I think there's this perception that we're getting this huge 1948 01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,360 Jacobs discount now since he's been holding up. 1949 01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,760 That's actually not true. His ADP was like stubbornly like 1950 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,600 28 through all of like May and June. 1951 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,400 Because I think like all the wide receivers, sickos were 1952 01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,960 drafting then maybe the market was like sharply baking an 80 1953 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,120 holdout risk then. I don't actually think it was. 1954 01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,560 I think it was just like sickos. You don't like Josh Jacobs. 1955 01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:03,320 We're just not clicking him well, so. 1956 01:35:03,930 --> 01:35:06,770 They've done OK so far. Sure, they've done OK so far. 1957 01:35:07,010 --> 01:35:09,650 So that's the weird thing though is that with his holdout, he's 1958 01:35:09,650 --> 01:35:13,770 only fallen like 2-2 picks. Yeah, so I was actually making 1959 01:35:13,770 --> 01:35:16,570 the argument to some people other day that like if he 1960 01:35:16,570 --> 01:35:19,250 reports is the market even that excited about Josh Jacobs like 1961 01:35:19,250 --> 01:35:21,650 they weren't before. But I think the market always 1962 01:35:21,650 --> 01:35:23,250 double counts and reacts to news. 1963 01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:25,730 So like ultimately when he reports, I think people are 1964 01:35:25,730 --> 01:35:28,210 gonna be like, you know, reminding you of Josh Jacobs 1965 01:35:28,210 --> 01:35:30,850 stats last year. Whatever he's gonna shoot up to 1966 01:35:30,850 --> 01:35:33,330 the end of the second round, he'll pass Jonathan Taylor. 1967 01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:36,740 I think especially if Taylor's like injury stuff is still like 1968 01:35:37,780 --> 01:35:41,380 knocking him down, so. That's that's holdout ends. 1969 01:35:41,380 --> 01:35:42,660 You think he goes ahead of Taylor or not? 1970 01:35:43,780 --> 01:35:46,180 No, no, probably. Probably not. 1971 01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:51,420 Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah, to me, like, and I don't 1972 01:35:51,420 --> 01:35:54,460 know, I'm speculating here, like the Taylor like holdout stuff 1973 01:35:54,460 --> 01:35:57,180 feels like worse than the Jacobs Holdout stuff. 1974 01:35:57,180 --> 01:35:59,260 But people have made arguments both ways. 1975 01:35:59,910 --> 01:36:02,230 To me, the Taylor thing just feels like more personal. 1976 01:36:02,230 --> 01:36:05,110 Plus you also have this like legitimate injury thing that's 1977 01:36:05,110 --> 01:36:07,430 like, I don't think we can completely ignore the injury 1978 01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:12,190 thing with with Taylor. So anyways, that's my stance on 1979 01:36:12,190 --> 01:36:13,710 Jacobs. Let's talk through these running 1980 01:36:13,710 --> 01:36:17,910 back situations. There's there's a couple things 1981 01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:21,830 that we learned here in the preseason on these running 1982 01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:23,270 backs. We don't need to spend a ton of 1983 01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:27,510 time on each one individually. I think how I'd summarize it. 1984 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:33,640 Is that like Kyron Williams and Kiante Ingram are like very 1985 01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:38,160 clearly the running back twos on their team, but they're on 1986 01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,360 really like gross teams or just like talents we're not sure 1987 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,120 about. Whereas Rico Dowdle and Chris 1988 01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:47,120 Evans are in much more exciting situations. 1989 01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,600 But I think there's still like uncertainty as to whether 1990 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,880 they're actually the running back twos on their teams. 1991 01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,160 And then Josh Kelly is like in the middle where like we don't. 1992 01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,750 He's like his. I think Josh Kelly is pretty 1993 01:36:57,750 --> 01:37:00,030 clearly the running back to. I just think it does. 1994 01:37:00,150 --> 01:37:01,950 He might be the clear running back to you right now. 1995 01:37:01,950 --> 01:37:04,870 But I think the chances of him holding that for 17 weeks are so 1996 01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:07,350 low because he's not very good. And this is what the Chargers 1997 01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:10,030 always do or they have done the last three years. 1998 01:37:10,030 --> 01:37:11,990 They've had one guy they thought was going to be the running back 1999 01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:15,430 to and then it ended up being Caitlin Bellage or Sony Michelle 2000 01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:17,990 or whoever, just because these guys are, are no good. 2001 01:37:19,550 --> 01:37:23,270 Dowdle, it is interesting. So he didn't start in the 2002 01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:25,470 preseason last week. Malik Davis did. 2003 01:37:25,470 --> 01:37:29,630 Then Dowdle started this week. I would be surprised if Dowdle 2004 01:37:29,630 --> 01:37:33,830 holds the running back to job over Malik Davis, but I think 2005 01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:36,230 the the weird flying the ointment here is that Deuce 2006 01:37:36,230 --> 01:37:38,870 Vaughn seems like a lock for the 53. 2007 01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:41,230 So there's really only and and deuce. 2008 01:37:41,230 --> 01:37:43,550 Vaughn's role is sort of separate from Pollard and 2009 01:37:43,550 --> 01:37:47,160 separate from the handcuff so there's only one of Dowdle or 2010 01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:49,600 Davis can make the roster. I really thought it was going to 2011 01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,840 be Malik Davis. I feel less confident in that 2012 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,800 now especially because the athletics Cowboys writers 2013 01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,680 project Dowdle to make the 53 ahead. 2014 01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,680 Kyron is like such a I have a 0 running back team and I just 2015 01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:03,960 need someone. I think he's going to be on the 2016 01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,040 field in week one. Like you took a 0 running back 2017 01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,720 team with with Brees Hall and Alvin Kamara and you're like I 2018 01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,680 just might not have to I might not have a running back to who's 2019 01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,440 active. So I got to take Kyron Ingram. 2020 01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,600 I actually think is kind of exciting because the Cardinals 2021 01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,520 are gonna run a ton and you really are a James Connor ankle 2022 01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,400 turn away from like an 80% snap share guy. 2023 01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:28,800 Like, like truly, like, they they they're running back, dude. 2024 01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,760 They signed and then they immediately hurt Marlon Mack. 2025 01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,800 So Corey Clement is the running back three, and he was just 2026 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,080 playing in the fourth quarter of the second preseason. 2027 01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,880 Yeah, it looks like he's behind like Amari de Marcado now. 2028 01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:43,240 He like, got fully, Yeah. He's done, yeah. 2029 01:38:43,930 --> 01:38:45,770 So that's my take. And then Chris Evans is a good 2030 01:38:45,770 --> 01:38:46,890 pick. Those are my take. 2031 01:38:46,890 --> 01:38:50,290 I think Chris, yeah, Pat, what, what, like, who are you taking 2032 01:38:50,290 --> 01:38:52,810 out of this group, if anybody? I think you do. 2033 01:38:52,850 --> 01:38:55,730 You want, listen, you want to take a guy who actually has the 2034 01:38:55,730 --> 01:38:57,290 role. If you're diving into, it's like 2035 01:38:57,290 --> 01:39:00,490 otherwise just like go take Jeff Wilson or Kenneth Gain. 2036 01:39:00,490 --> 01:39:03,930 Well, you know, or like reach a little bit for Jalen Warren or 2037 01:39:03,930 --> 01:39:07,170 you know, like all these dudes. I mean Jill Warren's like if 2038 01:39:07,170 --> 01:39:08,370 you're reaching, you're not taking the 10th. 2039 01:39:08,370 --> 01:39:09,450 So maybe that's not a good sample. 2040 01:39:09,450 --> 01:39:11,730 But there's there's other guys where I'm. 2041 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,880 Pretty confident that I have something and I don't have to 2042 01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,760 spend like that much more and then I can spend my last round 2043 01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:20,840 pick on two to Atwell or that Michael Wilson. 2044 01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,920 That's the other thing I wanted to say is my favorite 18th round 2045 01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,400 picks now are all wide receivers, which was not true 2046 01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,240 among the tightest. So it's totally different. 2047 01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:31,920 Yeah, the two V twos at tight. Like if you take the 13th round 2048 01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,680 tight end and the 18th round running back. 2049 01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,000 I'm almost always prefer the reverse of that where I've got 2050 01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,360 the 13th round running back and the 18th round tight end. 2051 01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:41,480 Or maybe it's 12th and 18th instead. 2052 01:39:41,480 --> 01:39:42,120 Or whatever. But. 2053 01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:46,600 Like if I'm going to dive into these very late round running 2054 01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,800 backs, I would really prefer that they have a role because I 2055 01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,160 don't think any of them are particularly good. 2056 01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:51,480 Like I don't think Chris Evans is good. 2057 01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:55,200 I don't think any of these guys have ever shown me anything to 2058 01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,160 make me think they're good. I mean even Ingram who was like 2059 01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,400 mildly interesting, was the 7th round pick they signed Marlon 2060 01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,840 Mack to be the backup. Like when Marlon Mack came in, 2061 01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,080 it was like, yeah, he'll be the number two now and they got 2062 01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,720 hurt. So I don't mean, I don't know. 2063 01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,750 I just like. If I don't have a like a 2064 01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:13,990 definite role with these guys, what is the point? 2065 01:40:14,030 --> 01:40:17,830 And that makes me actually the most interested in Josh Kelly 2066 01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:21,710 and Kyron Williams. So it's the grossest of the two, 2067 01:40:21,710 --> 01:40:24,710 I think in terms of the talent. But like, I don't know like 2068 01:40:24,710 --> 01:40:27,670 they're the guys, like they're clearly the number twos there 2069 01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:32,070 that's, that might change. But right now I think I have by 2070 01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:34,470 far the most confidence that Kyron Williams and Josh Kelly 2071 01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:37,630 are actually the number twos. After that would probably be 2072 01:40:37,870 --> 01:40:42,710 Ingram and Dowdle. But I don't know I I don't know 2073 01:40:43,150 --> 01:40:45,150 how much confidence to have in doubt all I guess you guys could 2074 01:40:45,150 --> 01:40:47,470 like talk me into doubt all I don't even know that much about. 2075 01:40:47,470 --> 01:40:48,390 Him I see. I like. 2076 01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:51,750 I like Malik Davis better. Yeah, I thought Malik Davis kind 2077 01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:54,830 of flashed so. Yeah but he's been he's he was 2078 01:40:54,830 --> 01:40:57,510 clearly behind him in last week's pieces in game. 2079 01:40:57,510 --> 01:41:00,590 Again he I think he played ahead of him in the first pieces in 2080 01:41:00,590 --> 01:41:03,310 the game. So it's a little weird, but man, 2081 01:41:03,310 --> 01:41:06,590 I don't know and maybe ultimately like these, I think 2082 01:41:06,590 --> 01:41:09,030 these are now awesome guys on your managed. 2083 01:41:09,470 --> 01:41:13,070 League radar, especially like Chris Evans, like on my manage 2084 01:41:13,070 --> 01:41:17,150 league radar, I would be pretty pumped about taking Chris Evans 2085 01:41:17,150 --> 01:41:19,230 and just seeing if he has the running back two role in 2086 01:41:19,230 --> 01:41:22,510 Cincinnati Treyvion. Yeah, you can take Treyvion too. 2087 01:41:22,510 --> 01:41:27,190 Like, man, I don't know. I guess one last question like 2088 01:41:27,470 --> 01:41:28,910 that. That is why I agree with that 2089 01:41:28,910 --> 01:41:31,910 like take the bigger swings and manage like don't don't. 2090 01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:34,390 Ohh I think it's Josh Kelly so I'll take Josh Kelly like that's 2091 01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:37,270 a best ball take. Yeah, to be clear, like bet on 2092 01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:38,950 talent and manage because you can cut the guys. 2093 01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:42,510 Yeah. The thing is though, like in 2094 01:41:42,510 --> 01:41:46,550 basketball mania and maybe the best thing to say is like maybe 2095 01:41:46,670 --> 01:41:49,670 maybe wait another week, another 10 days on these guys. 2096 01:41:49,670 --> 01:41:52,630 And I think the situations will become a little bit clearer with 2097 01:41:52,630 --> 01:41:55,110 some of them. So not take like, I'm not saying 2098 01:41:55,110 --> 01:41:59,990 you have to take them now. I do think like in 10 days I do 2099 01:41:59,990 --> 01:42:02,550 want to be taking some Dallas RV2. 2100 01:42:02,550 --> 01:42:05,190 I do want to be taking some Cincinnati RV2. 2101 01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,880 Just because man like they these guys have not been drafted all 2102 01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:13,640 of best fall mania and imagine like Joe Mixon tears his ACL. 2103 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:18,120 Like aren't you so pumped to have like the 50% snap share guy 2104 01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:19,520 instance? Even if it's like a full blown 2105 01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:21,600 committee? Like, isn't that such an awesome 2106 01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,480 role to have shares or your team? 2107 01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,960 Like like, let's just say for example, Joe Mixon. 2108 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,480 Like, let's let's say he gets arrested for whatever for this 2109 01:42:29,480 --> 01:42:31,520 incident where he was brandishing a gun before a 2110 01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,400 playoff game. Like where does where does Chris 2111 01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,240 Evans and Trevion Williams? And Chase Brown go like they all 2112 01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:41,680 get spiked up. Yeah, but like you only make a 2113 01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,960 bet on one of those guys in Best Ball and you don't get to change 2114 01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,800 the bet later. So like there is there's what 2115 01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,960 are the chances that happens multiplied by what are the 2116 01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:51,760 chances you actually drafted the right guy. 2117 01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:59,040 And that's to me, like in the comment here, Sueann said that 2118 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,280 he's not played that common women's hasn't played a 2119 01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,920 preseason game, which is one of the reasons maybe his ADP hasn't 2120 01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,760 changed. I think that's pretty bullet. 2121 01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:11,400 Not that's it. That's funny that, like for a 2122 01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:14,080 Ram, not playing in a preseason game means you're playing in the 2123 01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:15,920 regular season. Means you're like a starter. 2124 01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,800 Means you're like, obviously he's not a starter and Cam Inch 2125 01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:20,760 is a starter, but he hasn't did. You guys catch? 2126 01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,600 Did you guys catch that 22 rested Week 1? 2127 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:28,120 But Puka Nakua also rested in Week 2 with with that well. 2128 01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,720 So Nakua is like won the 4th wide receiver job probably. 2129 01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:33,800 Yeah, the Rams have pretty clearly signaled who their top 2130 01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:35,560 four wide receivers and top 2 running backs are. 2131 01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:37,400 Like, I don't even think it's a question that Kyron's like, 2132 01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:40,000 clearly the running back to you. It's just like, man, it's you 2133 01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,920 have to be pretty confident. He sucks and he's a pass 2134 01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:44,440 catcher. I know he's not athletic, but he 2135 01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:47,510 was productive. And that's The thing is he's not 2136 01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:49,270 athletic. But he was good at Notre Dame 2137 01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:51,350 like he was good. Yeah. 2138 01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:54,350 And look, if I'm betting on a guy who's not athletic, I would 2139 01:43:54,350 --> 01:43:56,830 really strongly prefer that he catches passes because that's a 2140 01:43:56,830 --> 01:43:59,990 more skill based activity where you can actually, right. 2141 01:44:00,510 --> 01:44:03,390 If you're overcoming athleticism you want to do or lack of 2142 01:44:03,390 --> 01:44:06,110 athleticism, you would like to be doing it with highly skilled 2143 01:44:06,110 --> 01:44:08,430 stuff. And he's got that, like, I think 2144 01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,720 I'm, I'm gonna get more. I don't have a ton of Kyron on 2145 01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:13,840 an underdog. I've got 5% of them on 2146 01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,280 DraftKings. I've got a bunch of them on 2147 01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:18,560 DraftKings, yeah, but I'm. I'm gonna start drafting him. 2148 01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,040 We've gotten the information we need on Kyron. 2149 01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:22,680 I think he's clearly the number two. 2150 01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:26,400 I only have 2% on Underdog, and I think not that that's a leak 2151 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,080 because we didn't have this information. 2152 01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:30,280 We've had it for maybe about a week and I sort of slept on it. 2153 01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,680 But I think it's time. I think it's time to take Kyron. 2154 01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:36,200 These are sort of the microedges that can be gained though, by 2155 01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,200 the way, is stuff like taking Kyron Williams and Round 18 2156 01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,560 right now. Because also from like a roster 2157 01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:44,280 construction perspective, having that in your back pocket is 2158 01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:45,680 nice. And it does. 2159 01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:49,720 Like for example, you'd be kind of locked out of Michael of 2160 01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,560 Michael Wilson right now if you didn't really know what you were 2161 01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,000 doing with those eighteenth round picks. 2162 01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:57,920 Now like you'd have to be like, well, I got to do XY&Z, but now 2163 01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:00,920 you can if you can take Kyron or you can take. 2164 01:45:01,350 --> 01:45:04,670 Jake Ferguson, who's weirdly still available in round 18 2165 01:45:04,670 --> 01:45:05,870 sometimes. Or two, two out. 2166 01:45:05,870 --> 01:45:08,990 Well, or whoever it actually gives you buys you a little bit 2167 01:45:08,990 --> 01:45:11,510 of flexibility back to take some of these risers. 2168 01:45:12,030 --> 01:45:14,670 Yeah, it is tough. And Pat made this point because 2169 01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:17,990 structurally I'm like so rarely looking for running back in 2170 01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:21,930 Round 18 because, yeah. Jalen Warren's available as my 2171 01:45:22,050 --> 01:45:25,770 running back five in round 11 or whatever and I'm just like let's 2172 01:45:25,770 --> 01:45:28,290 be done at running back and get a guy with the role like and 2173 01:45:28,290 --> 01:45:30,370 then I can get, you know, whatever tight end. 2174 01:45:30,530 --> 01:45:33,650 I can find tight ends and wide receivers so easily in around 18 2175 01:45:33,650 --> 01:45:37,850 that I know have roles. But it's like I think some 2176 01:45:37,850 --> 01:45:41,930 percent of the time like I do want to embrace the uncertainty 2177 01:45:41,930 --> 01:45:44,050 with these late round running backs who aren't being drafted 2178 01:45:44,130 --> 01:45:46,050 at all. Like Chris Evans. 2179 01:45:46,050 --> 01:45:48,770 I don't know how many PBM teams he's been drafted on, but like. 2180 01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:52,680 1% of teams like again. That's that's a really good 2181 01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:55,440 point. It's like, yeah, the leverage 2182 01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:58,480 piece there is interesting. Can I ask you guys some because 2183 01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,400 this is like almost a new topic. It is a new topic, but I just, 2184 01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:06,640 I'm so intrigued by what's happening with the 5-6 turn 2185 01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:11,840 where all these wide receivers who are like features of the 2186 01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:17,270 six, seven turn are coming up. Pickens, Evans, like all those 2187 01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:20,830 guys, Waller not a wide receiver but you know non running back 2188 01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:25,150 kind of moving up to the 5-6 turn and it's actually like 2189 01:46:25,230 --> 01:46:29,750 still creating this. It's like even more running back 2190 01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:33,430 value maybe than we had previously where I thought we 2191 01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:36,190 were going to get this these like running back values this 2192 01:46:36,190 --> 01:46:39,270 time of year. But it's kind of the opposite. 2193 01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:43,450 It's gotten even more wide receiver heavy to my mind. 2194 01:46:44,090 --> 01:46:45,890 It has, yeah. It's just it's actually, it's 2195 01:46:45,890 --> 01:46:48,970 very surprising to me and I don't quite know what to make of 2196 01:46:48,970 --> 01:46:51,890 it. Yeah, it's it's led me to like 2197 01:46:52,570 --> 01:46:55,930 it's weird. It's led me to more like true 2198 01:46:55,930 --> 01:46:58,530 hyper fragile builds than I was doing before. 2199 01:46:58,530 --> 01:47:01,210 I was doing a lot of like running back early but then 2200 01:47:01,210 --> 01:47:03,970 still ending up with five cuz I'd take a couple early, wait a 2201 01:47:03,970 --> 01:47:06,450 bunch, take some of the Jalen Warren range and up with five. 2202 01:47:07,190 --> 01:47:10,590 This ADP shift has like made me look at like the Sanders, the 2203 01:47:10,630 --> 01:47:13,150 Acres guys like a little bit more and then so I'm just 2204 01:47:13,150 --> 01:47:16,390 stopping at 4:00 which like I don't. 2205 01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:18,670 You can argue if that's good or bad, but yeah, I agree with you 2206 01:47:18,670 --> 01:47:19,070 Pat. I don't. 2207 01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:22,830 I gotta think more about it cuz I honestly don't have a good 2208 01:47:22,830 --> 01:47:27,230 answer whether that adjustment I'm making is is sharp or or or 2209 01:47:27,230 --> 01:47:30,350 stupid. It's just like it feels like it 2210 01:47:30,350 --> 01:47:33,790 feels like to me. I can the the quantity over 2211 01:47:33,790 --> 01:47:37,020 quality at wide receiver thing. I think I have enough answers 2212 01:47:37,020 --> 01:47:40,180 about why receivers late that I feel like I'm OK with doing with 2213 01:47:40,180 --> 01:47:45,860 the 24102 or 2493 thing and like being OK, but certainly feels 2214 01:47:45,900 --> 01:47:47,940 gross. So I don't know, it's it's 2215 01:47:47,940 --> 01:47:49,180 weird. I'm surprised that that's 2216 01:47:49,180 --> 01:47:52,260 happening because like Pickens, you know, I think Pickens is a 2217 01:47:52,380 --> 01:47:55,300 OK breakout bet. But it was one I was kind of, 2218 01:47:57,140 --> 01:48:00,180 you know, mostly in on in the early 7th round, but wasn't 2219 01:48:00,180 --> 01:48:02,020 super excited. Now he's like in the early 6th 2220 01:48:02,060 --> 01:48:06,150 and it's like, yeah, what is the difference between him and 2221 01:48:06,990 --> 01:48:09,790 Bateman? You know, like I I think I'd 2222 01:48:09,790 --> 01:48:12,750 prefer Bateman. Well, Sean put Sean put Pickens 2223 01:48:12,750 --> 01:48:14,830 in his 2024 second round preview. 2224 01:48:14,990 --> 01:48:16,790 That's the difference. Well, that that is the 2225 01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:19,510 difference. But, but I guess I'm like, I'm 2226 01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:21,710 kind of leaning more towards what you're saying Sam. 2227 01:48:21,710 --> 01:48:25,110 We're like, shit, I I'll take Damien Pierce or JK Dobbins. 2228 01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:28,550 Yeah, in the early 6th instead. And that's my RB 3. 2229 01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:30,750 And then maybe I grab one more and I'm done. 2230 01:48:31,660 --> 01:48:34,060 So yeah, I kind of I've, I've been swimming against that 2231 01:48:34,060 --> 01:48:37,340 current because I just, I mean, but I what I'm wondering is, am 2232 01:48:37,340 --> 01:48:40,860 I just anchored to those previous Adp's that Jordan 2233 01:48:40,860 --> 01:48:44,780 Addison should be a early 7th round pick and not a mid 6th and 2234 01:48:44,780 --> 01:48:49,540 Mike Evans should be in the 7th? That's actually a pretty that. 2235 01:48:49,660 --> 01:48:52,700 It's very good to be cognizant of that and not anchor yourself, 2236 01:48:52,700 --> 01:48:55,460 because then you're just gonna end up drafting a bunch of teams 2237 01:48:55,460 --> 01:48:58,700 with of followers, which I we don't really want actually, you 2238 01:48:58,700 --> 01:49:01,110 know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2239 01:49:01,270 --> 01:49:04,950 You gotta know when you're taking ADP value, you gotta know 2240 01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:08,270 if it's like real ADP value or if that guy is a syncing. 2241 01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:10,630 Or if that's the direction the guy is going. 2242 01:49:10,710 --> 01:49:14,790 Yeah, which I think I've had mixed success with that this 2243 01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:18,650 year trying to scoop ADP value. I think usually I do it right, 2244 01:49:18,650 --> 01:49:20,370 but like Michael Pittman is an example. 2245 01:49:20,610 --> 01:49:23,130 I have a ton of Pittman, just cuz I was scooping Pittman 2246 01:49:23,130 --> 01:49:25,850 earlier I was scooping value and then it turned out. 2247 01:49:25,970 --> 01:49:29,530 I don't think it was, really. Bad I I so I'm in this spot. 2248 01:49:29,530 --> 01:49:32,050 I'm in this spot with Pittman where I don't even actually like 2249 01:49:32,050 --> 01:49:36,730 Michael Pittman, but just structurally pretty sure I fit 2250 01:49:36,730 --> 01:49:38,050 around Pittman and I was getting. 2251 01:49:38,450 --> 01:49:39,770 Those for. Sure I do. 2252 01:49:39,890 --> 01:49:41,250 Yeah, it was good value couple of. 2253 01:49:43,090 --> 01:49:47,630 I've got. I've got 12% Michael Pittman 2254 01:49:47,630 --> 01:49:50,990 because I get in a spot in a draft where I'm like my 2255 01:49:50,990 --> 01:49:52,670 quarterback isn't figured out yet. 2256 01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:55,950 So I'll just take Pittman and then take Richardson and that'll 2257 01:49:55,950 --> 01:49:58,790 figure out quarterback for me. Like, I actually, I actually 2258 01:49:58,790 --> 01:50:00,990 think Pittman's probably a pretty shitty bet, honestly, 2259 01:50:01,190 --> 01:50:04,070 where he where he goes. But it's like structurally I 2260 01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:06,830 need to give myself a high upside quarterback, wide 2261 01:50:06,830 --> 01:50:09,350 receiver pairing. Well, here's the other issue for 2262 01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:12,830 me with that cuz I I caught myself doing that on a pick 2263 01:50:12,830 --> 01:50:15,950 where I was like, you don't even remotely like Pittman better 2264 01:50:15,950 --> 01:50:17,390 than this guy. You're about to take him over. 2265 01:50:17,390 --> 01:50:20,150 Like, wait, for me, it's Dotson and Pittman. 2266 01:50:20,150 --> 01:50:24,030 I'm like, I like Dotson way better, but I don't like taking 2267 01:50:24,030 --> 01:50:26,390 how nearly as much as I like taking Richardson. 2268 01:50:26,750 --> 01:50:30,030 Yeah, so I have. I'm at 13, 1/2% Pittman. 2269 01:50:30,270 --> 01:50:33,670 Yeah, on underdog. But the the alternate structure 2270 01:50:33,670 --> 01:50:35,710 there is if you still need that quarterback and then you just 2271 01:50:35,710 --> 01:50:37,790 take Richardson anyway and you go get Alec Pierce. 2272 01:50:38,110 --> 01:50:42,150 But I have 19% Pierce. So I'm exhausted, that strategy 2273 01:50:42,150 --> 01:50:43,940 as well. Maybe I'm just taking too much. 2274 01:50:43,940 --> 01:50:47,220 Richardson is my fourth most drafted player, but he's he's 2275 01:50:47,220 --> 01:50:50,900 someone I thought about doing for the riser because I think it 2276 01:50:50,980 --> 01:50:53,180 will occur to people he's the weak one starter eventually, 2277 01:50:53,260 --> 01:50:56,780 right? Yeah, it should, yeah. 2278 01:50:56,940 --> 01:50:59,780 I don't know. Pittman, like, I think where he 2279 01:50:59,780 --> 01:51:04,660 goes now is totally fine. But yeah, it was a mistake for 2280 01:51:04,660 --> 01:51:07,900 me to, like, not think about. He's a guy who's going to fall 2281 01:51:07,900 --> 01:51:11,140 once people do projections, blah blah blah. 2282 01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,360 Man pick 75. The way I've been coping with my 2283 01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:19,000 Pittman exposure is he's DJ Moore about 45 picks later. 2284 01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,120 The way you cope with it is you just tell yourself there's no 2285 01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,680 way I have it real cope. No your hope. 2286 01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,520 Your hope is you tell yourself there's no way I have him 2287 01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,280 without Anthony Richardson. Even if it's not true. 2288 01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:34,070 Even if it's not true. You definitely do, but just tell 2289 01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:35,790 you can't. You can't look at those teams. 2290 01:51:35,870 --> 01:51:36,550 Don't go. Back can't. 2291 01:51:36,630 --> 01:51:39,510 Look, you gotta just tell yourself, I only have him with 2292 01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:41,390 Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson's gonna start 2293 01:51:41,390 --> 01:51:43,710 from week one. He's gonna grow into the job. 2294 01:51:43,790 --> 01:51:47,950 And by Week 17 in that Dome game against the shitty Raiders, it's 2295 01:51:47,950 --> 01:51:50,590 gonna be all ironed out. And it's gonna be beautiful. 2296 01:51:51,110 --> 01:51:53,790 Yeah, I mean, load man's right. High win rate. 2297 01:51:54,230 --> 01:51:57,310 Pittman's got Michael. UN ironically, that actually 2298 01:51:57,310 --> 01:51:59,430 might be Michael Pittman. That's that's good. 2299 01:51:59,670 --> 01:52:01,670 That's yeah, that's a good way, good way on the show. 2300 01:52:03,460 --> 01:52:05,540 Good stuff guys. I think we'll be back next week 2301 01:52:05,940 --> 01:52:08,900 doing whatever the high stakes tournament is. 2302 01:52:08,900 --> 01:52:12,060 An underdog that is out at that point might be a bulldog, might 2303 01:52:12,060 --> 01:52:13,900 be whatever they move on to next. 2304 01:52:13,900 --> 01:52:17,780 But we'll be doing that draft live here, so we'll send more 2305 01:52:17,780 --> 01:52:20,780 details out about that. But if you want to draft against 2306 01:52:20,780 --> 01:52:22,780 us, if you want to, you know, draft against the losers that 2307 01:52:22,780 --> 01:52:26,100 just scoop ADP value and end up with 15% Michael Pittman, you'll 2308 01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:30,460 have a chance to do that. But yeah, this was a good show. 2309 01:52:30,460 --> 01:52:32,420 Davis, Pat. Anything you guys have? 2310 01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:36,400 Coming up their respective sites. 2311 01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:40,240 JJ is going to be on the Take Cast and the Sports Grid Fans 2312 01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:43,480 Football Podcast this week. We're going to do the last two 2313 01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:48,200 years we've done just like if you're not a super virgin and 2314 01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:51,200 you're just starting to do your fantasy football drafts now, 2315 01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:55,600 like kind of like a draft guide. So that I got that coming up and 2316 01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:57,000 then Crane and I are about to have. 2317 01:52:57,570 --> 01:53:01,730 Maybe the most virginal, virginal discussion in the 2318 01:53:01,730 --> 01:53:03,970 history of best ball. We're gonna talk about how 2319 01:53:04,450 --> 01:53:07,730 dynasty drafting and dynasty rankings can help you draft best 2320 01:53:07,730 --> 01:53:12,250 ball teams, which is, I mean, that is down the fucking that is 2321 01:53:12,250 --> 01:53:15,450 down the rabbit hole. It was Eric's idea. 2322 01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:18,810 So, maybe surprisingly, I don't know that he would have been the 2323 01:53:18,810 --> 01:53:20,530 favorite to be the most. Virginal, but it's not. 2324 01:53:20,530 --> 01:53:21,730 I don't even understand. I don't. 2325 01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:23,610 I'm not even a virgin enough to understand with it. 2326 01:53:23,610 --> 01:53:24,330 What is it? Wow. 2327 01:53:24,410 --> 01:53:30,400 Look at Sam's big. It's the idea of, I don't know, 2328 01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:31,360 we're gonna, we'll figure it out. 2329 01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,680 We'll discuss what the topic even means once we get on there. 2330 01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:35,000 Check it out. Cool. 2331 01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:35,880 Legendary. Anything else? 2332 01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:39,800 Anything else for you? Yeah, my legendary running back 2333 01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:41,440 article. I'm going to have out later this 2334 01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:43,520 week. And it's free. 2335 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,960 Guys, It's completely free. So sign up for 2336 01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:50,040 legendaryupside.com, Get on the newsletter. 2337 01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:51,760 Get that delivered right to your inbox. 2338 01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:55,100 If you do want to sign up for the paid version, you can hear 2339 01:53:55,100 --> 01:53:59,100 me narrate this thing and that'll cost you 99 bucks for 2340 01:53:59,100 --> 01:54:00,860 the year. But you can get a $50 underdog 2341 01:54:00,860 --> 01:54:05,140 credit on the on the main site there, there's a form you got to 2342 01:54:05,140 --> 01:54:07,220 fill out to give me your username and then you get that 2343 01:54:07,220 --> 01:54:09,060 $50 underdog credit. So pretty sweet deal. 2344 01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:12,980 And I think because of the way running back ADP is gone, I 2345 01:54:12,980 --> 01:54:14,740 think I'm actually going to do a followup article. 2346 01:54:14,740 --> 01:54:17,580 Traditionally I've only done like the legendary running back 2347 01:54:17,580 --> 01:54:20,740 article through the first you know, two rounds or so. 2348 01:54:22,250 --> 01:54:25,410 But there's so many high upside guys going in like round four 2349 01:54:25,410 --> 01:54:28,810 now that I think I'm going to do a follow up article exploring 2350 01:54:28,810 --> 01:54:30,250 the upside of the dead zone this year. 2351 01:54:30,250 --> 01:54:34,170 So lots of good running back analysis on the site in the next 2352 01:54:34,250 --> 01:54:36,930 week or so. Sounds awesome. 2353 01:54:37,810 --> 01:54:41,010 We'll be back next week doing high stakes. 2354 01:54:41,290 --> 01:54:43,930 Until then, good luck in your drafts.