We're back back-to-back FFPC main events.
We had Sean Siegel last night and tonight we got our guy Ben
Gretch from stealing Signals, the ship chasing OG member back
in the saddle. We're drafting from the One O 2.
Who knows what can we possibly select at One O 2 on an FFPC
beta Bet Pete with Pat and Ben. Let's RIP it.
Pat Fryer, Helmo Anita. Hand Job.
Fix your sight. Jamar and Alpha play chase.
You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're.
Finally pissed boys. You're right.
All right, We got Gretch back, Pat looking like he's ready for
a night out. Hopefully you guys are ready for
a. Night fucking James Dean hair.
My God. It's wet.
I, I literally I just was at, I did a stream, ran to the gym,
got back like 3 minutes before I need to be on here.
Just took the world's quickest shower, but I'm meeting with
Vivian's. Oh, we're on the clock.
OK. We really are on the clock.
This is the thing about the one O 2 Jamar Chase goes Gretsch
talk us out your. Why is the?
Process here. So you asked me earlier the
clock's not running, which is weird.
You asked me earlier my thoughts.
It's to me it's it's pretty clearly Bowers.
That said, in the time since we talked, I did one with Sean at
noon and we got the one O 4 and built our second Bowers team.
If you guys any, I think you mentioned that you guys have
been getting a lot of Bowers. You guys want to build a
different way. I'm open to it, but.
I want, I want. The point tonight is to draft
the Ben Gretch 2025 team. If this was the one draft you
were doing, I I want to know who who's the one O 2?
That's the pick we should make. I I absolutely love Jameer
Gibbs, but the pick is Brock Powers in in Titan premium one O
2 the pick is Brock Powers. People forget this is Titan
Premium. I had to remind some people in
the chat last night they they thought we way over.
Someone told us we overdrafted Sam LaPorte to buy 30 picks by
ADP and I had to remind them it was in fact Titan Premium.
This God does all right, now we can.
Now we can settle in. We got the one O 2.
Another Brock Bauer share. I need this man to stay healthy.
I need this man to catch a fucking million balls.
I'd be Yeah, man, be the second coming of Travis Kelsey.
OK, but as far as needing that, there's never really been a bet
that I'm more comfortable with being this exposed to.
There's the entire point of fantasy football is to seek
outliers like league winning ceilings, right?
He was an outlier his freshman year at Georgia on a national
championship team. Led the team with 800 plus
yards. Lad Mcconkey, Adonai Mitchell,
Jermaine Burton, future NFL receivers are all in the 400
yard range. He's doubling them up.
He goes on to be better in yards per game.
Is next year better? His next year has like 5 rushing
TDs and 200 rushing yards on like 20 career rushing carries.
The receiving profiles off the charts comes into the pros and
and breaks the NFL record for receipt that Pukuku had just set
for receptions by a rookie at any position, wide receiver or
tight end. 116 catches or whatever it was like where's the
Brock Bauer's dip year? Where's this like what?
Where would the sophomore slump come from this guy?
He's so much better than Travis Kelsey was going into year 2.
He's way better as a production profile.
Kelsey got hurt as a rookie. There's never been a tight end
that's anywhere close to this profile at this point in their
career. He's he's maybe the best tight
end of all time when we're all. Set because even Gronk, I mean,
I think with the rookie season that they had, because heading
into Year 2, even Gronk kind of flashed some touchdown scoring
potential. He definitely was like a
breakout candidate type of guy heading into year 2, but not
like this at all. No, yeah, he.
Wasn't he? Wasn't.
Prospect profile, Yeah, if you do the like the Longview of four
years from from the freshman year, we like age adjusted
production. I mean, maybe he gets hurt.
Maybe the route stuff, people are the route stuff that's been
going around in the, the, you know, the Nathan Yankee, they're
not. Yeah, yeah, he, he famously is
lowering him because he split some snaps with Michael Mayer
and. And so first.
Of all the first play of the game they threw to him, because
this is what happens when you actually watch the games they
threw to him. He elevated Fort, he landed
hard, he sat out. The next two pass plays, they
only had eight drop backs. So he ran, he ran 4.
The the thing was, he only had a 50% route share.
He ran 4 routes on 8 drop backs. 2 of the four that he sat out
were immediately after he made a like a 35 yard catch and landed
hard. And it's pre season and he went
off the field for the second snap and the third snap of the
game. I think like that's relevant in
the 8 snap sample. So it's not a 50%.
Like that's when you get to a 50% number and people freak out.
It's not a legitimate 50% number.
The second thing is if if that number is low in week 1, it's
going to be not low for long like they're going.
To correct right? Right, he's going to correct in
Week 3. Yeah, I, I, I fought a war with,
with my guys, 'cause I was like, let's we had Bowers basically
input like he was God and I was like, let's input him like he's,
you know, Jesus, you know, he can be like there's some man in
there and that I had to, I had to go to the map.
But like after we, so we lowered him slightly on that.
But like we still, I think we're the highest, best ball site on
him. So, you know, and he's still one
O 1 in my my FFPC ranks. So it's, I don't know, it like
didn't not concern me like at all, But I cause 'cause teams
have done Dumber things than that.
It's crazy, as crazy as that would be new coaching staff.
Maybe they have some stupid idea about, you know, what, what they
want to do out of 12 or, you know, they like mayor's blocking
ability at 11 or something like that.
But it's just like such a. It's such a fragile.
Concern. You know what I mean?
Like the The concern won't stand up to the chaos of the season
because Bowers is so much better than that usage.
What it is funny the way you think about it, right, because
often we're we're trying to target these tight ends who can
be the number one option on their their own team, right?
It's like we don't like Brock Bowers is the number one option
on his team, so it almost seems silly to worry about the other
tight end. It's like we're so far beyond
caring about Michael Bayer. Like we've already said, he's
better than Jacoby Myers, whatever these rookies brought
in, like he is the offense. So I, I, I think that stuff is
fair. If you're like, hey, if we want
to pick knits about Mike Kasicki versus Noah Phant, like I'm all
there for sure, but not with. Brock Bowers, well, he had 84%
round participation last year and like McBride was at 91.
So like my my knit was kind of like is see, I want to see him
get to where McBride is, you know, is that going to happen?
Yeah, that's just isn't consistent with that.
So that's that's all I'm like, there's a chance that he
actually like doesn't really increase in route participation
now, which would suck. So that's that was my argument.
But also he led all tight ends and routes by a ton.
Like they had way more drop backs and so he's rotating a
little more because of that. He had a ton of routes.
I already thought his routes were going to come down a little
and I still think he's counting for that.
You're like you're, you're, you're expecting the touchdowns
to go up. You're expecting year 2 growth
in target earning and route running in those elements.
Like why can't he get better? Everyone's like, well, Kyle
picks. Us to get better.
Really good and was worse the next year.
Laporta was really good and then was worse the next year.
We've only seen three good rookie seasons all time and
we're at 100% hit rate of sophomore slumps, so he's
probably going to just get worse, right?
But why are we comparing him to to tight ends?
Why not compare him to a guy like Puka?
Right. Exactly that's He's closer to
puka than, you know, Sam Laporta.
Let's be honest. Yeah, exactly.
All right, I'm back in 100% Brock Bowers.
Let's go back and tell Sean that we shouldn't take CD Lamb last
night. We should have taken Brock.
We should have if you guys missed that one.
Go ahead. Your draft with Sean was
awesome. I, I had a blast watching
through it this morning. I was like, man, I got to follow
this. I better get a giant.
Mandela and just get. Hammered.
I mean, I think this is the best thing I could bring to the show.
I'm pretty sure Sean was just completely wasted on some $2.00
chalk. Was kind of the vibe.
Yeah, it. Seemed pretty lit.
Yeah, if you guys missed that last night, check that out.
Like we said, we've been doing a ton of main events.
Sean, last night, last week was Ron Stewart.
On Tuesday. Gretsch will be back.
We're doing the high stakes league with Leone.
That's really fun because it's a 5K self-contained league, so
none of the tournament, you know, game theory dynamics.
They're always have fun drafted with Leone and then of course,
our finale a week from last night.
We'll be with with Crack Rock having some fun.
But yeah, appreciate all of you guys joining us for main event
season. We're about to be picking here
the back into the second round. I'm trying to see if there's
been anything surprising here. HN goes at 27 or sorry to the
seven hole. We got him to slide all the way
last night to 28 I believe it was.
But what do you guys kind of eyeing up?
Here at two O 7 is like a slide. These days he's been going so
high. It's true, yeah.
Bucky goes as well. Gretsch, I'm in the applet so I
can work the queue. Are you in the applet as well?
I have the board up over here, but I guess I'm looking at the
board on on our screen as well. So I'll I'll let you put in the
pics. That's always been our.
I'll put in the pics so you kind of keeping tabs on your own
rankings and stuff. I am, yeah.
Yeah, I'll know who's who's kind of my top guy Kittle goes.
So that was part of our our discussion about one or two,
just a really brief one just between me and me and Pete.
Pat where you were, you were probably busy earlier, but.
I saw. No, I, I saw.
I caught up, but I, yeah, I didn't contribute.
Yeah. The idea for I don't love Kittle
at this price, and so the idea was if we went a different
direction, we'd probably be looking at Kittle 2-3.
And part of the reason I like Bowers there is just I don't
know that I love coming back with Kittle.
If we went away from Bowers, for me, it's probably you guys did
the port around the 4-5 turn. Maybe it's the 6-7 at this
point. If you can, try to get Tyler
Warren or Evan Ingram there. I've come around on Ingram.
It's tricky though. So we're on the clock.
A.J. Brown goes.
I would say best available are Jonathan Taylor and Lad
Mcconkey, right? There's another name those.
Those would be my two guys, yeah.
It's one of those two. I think it comes down to tactics
and like what you guys want to think about multiple rounds
ahead. I'm very comfortable with both
picks. Are we are we comfortable with
the the three O 2 that we discussed?
Because that's, I would probably say Taylor here, yeah.
I'm comfortable with the three O 2 that we discussed.
Yeah, let's see. Taylor though.
Yeah, I think Taylor's, I believe this is our first Taylor
pick. This seems like a great price
for him. It does free us up from, you
know, we just know how much running back or sorry, wide
receiver value there is over the next 3 or 4 rounds.
Yeah, let's do Taylor here. I like.
That slightly smaller or slightly larger chance that the
guy at the turn doesn't take a lad either.
I noticed I was looking at some ADP lad's been going about three
O 1 so you know who knows maybe maybe we're looking at loud on
the way back. Yeah, we'll see possible we
start Brock Bowers JT this is definitely like over the years
like the for us, just knowing how many wide receiver targets
we love in the mid rounds, like getting the elite tight end,
getting the bell Cal running back just like really sets us up
for, you know, maximum flexibility to.
Yeah, you guys had already kind of learned that lesson when I
joined up with you guys in 2020. But I, and I think the first
year I was like, I don't know if I fully agree with this, but
over the years, I love that. I mean, I think it's, I repeated
it as much as you guys in recent years.
I think it's a really sharp way to think about FFPC.
It was a good framework that you guys got to.
So we are back on the clock and we we talked about the spot, we
talked about it with Sean last night.
This is like choose your own adventure for for what you you
want to do here. Every target you have is not
coming back. Stuff can feel like a reach, but
what are we thinking here guys? Well, Ben, you threw out a name
that I want you to throw out here.
Yeah, so he's not even the top receiver on my board because
that is Jackson Smith and Jig, who you guys took earlier.
My team with Sean that I mentioned earlier today was a
Bowers, Taylor, JSN team. So I don't want JSN on this team
at all. The guy that I I want to get
more of is Tatura McMillan, who looks absolutely.
JC, I'm here who looks absolutely fantastic.
I think early in, in camp, I he, I think he belongs here.
He's I said I have JSN next. I have McMillan right behind
him. I have McMillan ranked straight
up ahead of Harrison, Garrett Wilson, T Higgins, Devonta
Adams, Tyree kill all of those guys.
And I think it's like fairly easily defensible.
I I didn't have it there until very recently, but in the second
preseason game, it's not the only thing that, you know,
tipped me over that over this line.
But the fact that he went and burned Derek Stingley vertically
and we would we should have had a 55 yard touchdown highlight
that would have probably put him here.
But Andy Dalton's hand got hit on the throw and then he
immediately did the the surrender cobra.
He went like this because you had the had the 55 yarder, the
double move, Mcmillan's break outward, he got Stingley to
stumble and then he broke up field.
And I mean, that's the thing, like when I was on with you guys
before the draft or right after the draft, we talked about
McMillan. That's the thing we talked a lot
about Pat was like, that's the part of the profile that looks
like it's a weakness, but we don't necessarily know if it was
a quarterback or the scheme. And he's so good in the
intermediate that he still was a three-year early declare with
monster production metrics, all those things.
And none of it was Gimme stuff. None of it is the like Nikhil
Harry or Leviska Chanel concerns.
It's all I'm going downfield and I'm winning on in Breakers and
outbreakers 10 yards downfield. But can I win vertically?
And the size suggests that he should be able to.
But the concern was he didn't create enough separation this
that he literally just went up against the highest paid or now
he's the second highest paid corner in the league.
Sauce Garner just got his extension, but second highest
paid corner in the league, arguably the best corner in the
league. A lot of people think that about
Derek Stingley and just roasted him and apparently roasted him
in in split squads or whatever in in camp like 2 days earlier
on a, on a deep crosser. Like he's really good at
football. He's really, really good at
football. Last year I was into Deonte
Johnson because Dave Kanalis was talking about how he builds his
offense around a number one wide receiver and Deonte is that guy.
It was part of why I was into him.
He had done it with Mike Evans the year prior.
He did that with Evans, yeah. Yes, that was his whole thing is
if we had Mike Evans last year, Deonte is going to be that guy
for us this year. And obviously didn't work out
with Deonte. They ended up moving on from
him. He goes out and drafts this dude
8th overall when there was talk that he might slide to 20 or
whatever. Goes out and drafts him 8th
overall. Has been playing them all pre
season. Like the number one Bryce
Young's throwing to him like that.
He's the Mike Evans in the offense.
Like what more do you need to know?
They're talking about trading Adam Phelan.
Like what more? This is where he belongs in
drafts. Yeah, I'm excited.
I believe Pat, this is our first.
I think it is our first share because we don't have any picks
on the back half of the board. So as as Ben was, Ben was like,
you know, I came back and I was catching up on the conversation
that you guys had and I, I saw that you'd thrown him out there
and I was like, hell yeah. Like we, we talked about him
last night. Sean floated him after we we
picked and I was like, I would have said yes to that, but we
you know, we don't have from for me, it's like almost a little
selfishness of like we don't have any picks on the side of
the board where you get them. So let's reach for him.
But to see Ben wanting him here, I was like, well, that's that's
a win win. We get we get a Tetaroa McMillan
share and Ben gets to making a passing case that that this is
where he should be going anyway. Yeah, yeah.
And it is crazy. Like we're, we're very
fortunate. I think we're going to end up
doing, you know, 789 total drafts, high stakes drafts.
But it this year, I think we are like quite literally 8085% top 6
picks. The the draft with crack rock
next week is from the 12 holes. So we'll have finally one back
there. But like No 8, No 9, No 10, No
11 this year. So it gets to that point where
you can you can play the ADP game, you can try to, you know,
eke out as much value. But at some point we want to go
get some of our fucking guys this year.
That's right. Have some of these guys, and Ted
Arroyo is one of those guys. Right.
And a big part of this that I love as well is we talked about
flipping the build and all these things in best ball.
The best ball fields are so massive and there's enough
people doing it because it's low dollar value.
There's a smaller field, high dollar value.
There's guys that go and get their guys.
But I I doubt there's a lot of McMillan with Bowers and I doubt
there's a lot of McMillan with Taylor.
There's probably some from the very early drafts when it was a
little bit more spread out and he was falling in the fourth.
He's falling, yeah. Yeah, But he's been at the 3-4
turn. Taylor's been at the 2-3.
Bowers has been in the top half of the first.
You're probably getting a fairly unique combination of McMillan
is as good as I'm obviously talking about him being, and I
think you guys think he could be.
I think there will be more of this as we close.
I think we'll see McMillan go in the upper part of the third.
He's just rising more and more and every analyst loves him and
everyone I talk to loves him. I don't understand why he
wouldn't because it is so flat there.
So they're they're we may close with more of these.
I don't think this is going to prove to be odd or, or, or a too
high of a price to pay by any means.
This is where Malik neighbors was going last year.
And the big thing that solidified this for me is Sean
and I did our, our, you know, 2026 first and second round
stuff. And I started going through it
and I mean, I ended up higher on it than than he did.
But a lot of the times when I'm doing that, I'm thinking, God,
Sean's going to have some stuff ranked really, really high.
And I'm going to look stupid if I don't have some stuff.
Like I was trying to, you know, not not, I'm obviously doing the
exercise for myself, but I am part of me thinking about where
Sean's going to have stuff when I'm doing it.
And I put McMillan one O 9 next year, right where neighbors is
going basically after his year one right where Brian Thomas is
going. Yeah, and he ended up kind of
saying that I was a little bit too exuberant because a lot of
those wide receivers are. So I had him ahead of CD Lamb at
1:10. I mean, like that's but McMillan
has less target competition this year and I think that will be
part of the discussion. There you go.
There's only three of of this particular start so far.
So yeah, anyway, I think yeah. And there's probably a ton of
Brock JT So I mean that really is tat.
That's the one that's making that three but.
It's also funny, last night we were thinking that our Lamb HN
start would be unique and that at this draft Lamb slides to
seven, he drafts HN and then he he comes back around and takes
who we took in the third round with JSN.
So that's a dupe of of our start last.
Night. Wow, I.
Didn't even notice that. I didn't either.
That's the same start you guys had.
Yeah. Yeah.
I keep forgetting you guys had Lamb yesterday.
That's right. Like I was thinking you guys had
Bowers. What I keep hearing references
in the chat and from stuff with a a Silva draft.
Did you guys live stream something?
Me and we didn't live stream, we pre recorded.
Me and Silva and Leone did a team together this year and pre
recorded it. There was just a couple nights
ago. Me and Silva famously have done
some teams together over the last like 3 years and then
famously like to to fight with each other a little bit.
But we got it recorded this time and it wasn't that bad or
anything, but I was super hyper during during it.
I'm I'm kind of rattling off some thoughts right now.
I watched it back as some people had some comments on and I was
like, man, I was pretty chatty. But it was.
It was a fun, fun, fun draft. People were giving me a lot of
crap because I wouldn't let Selva have Mike Evans in the
4th. But the way that we've kind of
always done it is we both kind of veto each other stuff and
then come to compromises and our teams have won money every year.
One of them finished top ten overall in the FFPC Maine.
We've done 1 Maine together for three years.
They've they've made the Sprint all three years and it's
basically off just vetoing each other like not it's pretty
great. It's like if if we could agree
on something then it then it tends to work.
I mean everyone was mad at me for not letting him have Evans.
We didn't get any of the players I wanted in the 1st 5 rounds.
The player I would have taken by myself in any of the 1st 5
rounds was not our eventual. Sword.
Wow, was bullying you. He wasn't even bullying me.
I don't think anyone really like noticed that.
But it was just like like I would have taken McBride in the
first over Saquon, which is aggressive, but they both wanted
Saquon, so we won't Saquon. Second round we had a Chan or
Nico. We went a Chan.
I would have probably went Nico. That one is more like 5050 for
me. Third round, I wanted McMillan.
In the late 3rd. They wanted to try to push him,
so we took Lamar Jackson. He didn't come back.
Then I wanted Worthy when he wanted Evans and we landed on.
We both vetoed and we landed on Marvin Harrison.
Harvey fell. That's such a funny that's.
Such a really like empty. The compromise there is
hilarious. He really is the blend of the
two. He's a really.
Good guy. You guys were on the left axis
to the right axis and then centered in the in the middle
there. I'm pretty.
Sure that he's he's, he's right wing slappy, isn't he?
So you got you went over to the slappy side, but over to the
right. Oh, that's so good.
And then Harvey fell and I wanted him in the late 5th and
we took Zay flowers for the stack or something.
And it was so a couple of those were, you know, obviously you
guys know how I like to draft. A couple of those were tough to
pass up, like the Harvey value was tough to pass up.
But we, we usually build good teams and it's, I think it's a
good team, but it's, you know, it was, it was a fun stream.
People really like the stream. Well, that that's kind of been
our our teams over the years with crack rock too, right where
we approach it very differently. We kind of do these compromises.
He pulls us slightly to his side, we pull him a little bit
to our side and generally build some pretty fun, unique teams
that do well. Yeah, that's what happens.
And I I mean, you got to be open to that kind of stuff.
I think like it's fun to that's what I love about Co managing is
like you get a lot of you get a lot of your own guys, but you
also mix in a lot of guys that you maybe weren't going to be on
and it spreads things out. I don't, you know.
You also sometimes take Bobby trees when you should take.
Right, that's the the issue at. The the Lee winner.
Right, yes, I don't love doing all the.
All the comments. Sometimes you get vetoed by one
man when the three of you want another guy.
Yeah, I. Am I, Am I like concentrating
more of my drafts with mostly with Sean and getting enough
exposure to the guys that I really want to get enough
exposure to because that's important too?
Yeah, so we do start here. Brock Bowers, Jonathan Taylor,
Ted Arroyo McMillan. Someone accused me of just
wanting T Mac to see if I could practice my swear jar rules,
which is, of course, not saying the nickname he doesn't like.
So, but I have my work cut out for me tonight saying his full
name. Pretty slow draft tonight.
Everybody's using the the clock to its full extent.
Xavier Worthy. I'll, I'll read since since we
put Ted Arroya, Higgins Jacobs, Kyron Garrett Wilson, JSN,
Kenneth Walker, Trevion Henderson.
That was another guy we had considered maybe pulling up
there if we went say, wide receiver in the 2nd instead.
Josh Allen, Tyree Kill, Lamar, Xavier Worthy, James Cook,
Marvin Harrison, The ultimate compromise, Breece Hall and
Jaden Daniels here. Yeah, it's hard to know even
here what the the decision will be at 411.
You're still kind of, I mean, I think there's several different
ways that you'd consider going depending on what happens in
these next 5 picks and so. How, how out are you on those
veteran receivers? Cuz I I tend to, you know.
Don't tell Sylva, but yeah, don't tell Sylva.
But after the fact, I felt like I should have just gave him Mike
Evans probably. Yeah, like I was thinking like,
if Mike Evans were to fall, I'd be pretty into it.
But you know, he's not the the most exciting pick of all.
Time I mean the issue with him is that he has missed games
every season other than one since like 2021.
You do have him at you know, 32. You have this ascending player
in Abuka, right? You have Godwin coming back mid
season. You have Liam Cohen getting both
Godwin and Evans to career high yards per out run last year.
But then leaving like I I'm I'm really into I saw when Sean was
on with you, Pete, that was a really fun video as well that
you you just released this week or did live.
No, you released the video this week and his whatever his
favorite play or best value was Brian Thomas that he mentioned,
among a lot of other things about strategy and great things
Video very much worth checking out.
But I love that I love Brian Thomas and I love Travis Hunter,
who is a potential discussion point in this range for us as
well. But like Liam Cohen was able to
get the ball to his guys in a in a meaningful way last year.
But I think that could be a problem for Evan.
So there's just a lot of things that are working against Evans
having a ceiling. So Hertz would have been a
really fun pick and he ends up going one pick ahead of us.
Yes, we see Adams is kind of the crazy slime here.
Where are you at on Adam's Ben? Because I, I would be open to it
as a, as a value pick and you know, kind of pairs with the
rookie pretty well. So when we were in Miami
together, I was, I got to do with some of my first best ball
drafts. The answer to not wanting T
Higgins or Garrett Wilson or any of these guys instead of taking
McMillan at the beginning of the third was I was taking Adams and
every one of the first best ball drafts I was doing this year.
And then I've moved him way down, but he's still the top
receiver in my rankings. Stafford's back at practice.
I can't give you a reason why we wouldn't take Devonte Adams here
at all. I think he's the highest in my
rankings now too. You know the remaining guy.
So that would be my vote. Yeah, no, it's it's my vote as
well. If Pickens was here, we could
have had a a fun. Yeah, Pickens would have been
another one I liked. There's two guys that really
like. I mean, the only argument would
be to try to get both of the other two guys.
But man, I mean, Adam's just from the like the the fall and
the ADP value perspective. Stafford's just going to look
healthier. He's not one that's going to
keep falling, right? I don't know, maybe Stafford's
going to be hurt all year. There is this element of like
you have Adam's age Cliff and you have Stafford age Cliff
risks, which isn't great you. Know right?
It is. It is honestly bizarre because
like to your point, Ben, there was this movement where I
thought Adam's was gonna hit the like 2-3 turn, like as
enthusiasm started building, which is what happened last year
kind of with Cooper Cup in like that similar spot where the
enthusiasm built. Now all the, you know, whatever,
we can talk about it after this pick.
So we're back up. Sutton and Burrow go after us.
Neither of those were going to be targets.
Who were? Who was the other name You were.
In yeah, so I I really like Hunter, but the two the receiver
would have been Jameson Williams, who I know you guys
talked about last night and the running back was is RJ Harvey,
who you did take last night. I think you could have taken
both of them and then let Adams go, but it just feels like
getting a little cute when we already pulled up McMillan.
So I like taking Adams. I structurally, I guess I kind
of like Harvey more because 6-7 feels like the wide receiver
range. But you guys had the same kind
of thing and last and it was like hard to pass on Jameson.
What do you think? I'd be Harvey I.
Like. Both yeah, I it Gretsch I will
say do not do not worry about do biggity pigs from last night it
is. You want to.
Draft the best, yeah? No, I no, I I hear you, but
Williams is a guy that I haven't gotten yet and I've gotten
plenty of Harvey, but let's take Harvey.
I I agree, I think and and Pat I I'm genuinely torn on this
because I really like the Harvey thesis and pick here.
So like, let's just take Harvey. I also just took up a shot again
a minute a minute ago. So I I this is my second Bowers
Taylor Harvey build but of the day, But I have different
receivers and different. It's a it's going to end up
being a whole different team and I'm glad that I have two of
those because those are great players.
So I streamed this morning with Jacob Sanderson and he he shared
a a conspiracy theory with me that's anti Harvey, which is
that they like Dobbins so much that they functionally rested
him during. That they hit his helmet and
they. They only put him out for pass
protection where he's trusted, but they didn't want to bother
having him run because that that's how much they like him
so. So I suppose that could be.
No, I and I actually, honestly, I think there's probably truth
to that. I think there.
The way. I wrote it up in the pre season
signals write ups was that Dobbins also got lost for the
for the season a couple years ago in a pre in pre season
action. And it wouldn't be surprising if
he's the veteran behind the scenes.
He's like talking with Peyton and he's like, hey, man, I don't
and I don't want to lose. I've had enough injuries in my
career. I don't want to lose my whole
season in games that don't matter kind of a thing.
And they only did play them for, you know, protection for Nicks
Harvey. The fact that Harvey played a
lot in both games doesn't surprise me because Peyton plays
as young guys in the preseason. It's not like this is my
argument would be that we should not have read into the this is
one of the ones like Pete was saying.
Some of them we shouldn't read into.
This is one of the ones we should not have read into it
all. Sean Payton does weird stuff in
preseason. Last year.
You remember when he played Marvin Mims the first snap and
then sat him so he was a starter, then sat him the rest
of the first half and then played him in the in like the
third and fourth quarters. And then the next week he played
him with the first team. And it was like everyone was
like, what does this mean for Marvin Mims?
And ultimately, it meant who the hell knows what.
It meant or they sat. They sat Vele because he's a
starter. Oh no, it's because they're
actually trying to trade him. Right.
There's all these weird elements of Peyton, but the fact that a
rookie like RJ Harvey would play some in the preseason and get
some carries, some live game action is not weird.
It's like, no, no, I thought that was good.
I thought that was really bullish for him that he, that he
started the game. I think Jacob's saying maybe
it's not as bullish. We don't want to over read into
it. But I still think like Harvey
has had a really strong camp and whether or not he's like the
starter or not the starter, he's going to have a, he's going to
have an important role out of the gate.
I would not surprise me at all if he outtouched trivia on
Henderson in week 1. Like he's going to have a really
strong role. And I both think they're both
really talented. So I I just continue to think
Harvey's underpriced with Henderson rocketing up, which I
get because Henderson looks awesome.
But Harvey I think is really good too.
And you know, you, you still get him in this fifth round price
like. For sure.
And so The thing is I'm going to write the last couple years I've
done it my like, you know, my high value touched at the
receptions and and Green Zone touches, touches inside the 10
yard line. The last a couple years ago,
somebody asked me to try to do like predict or project the team
high value touches because I add those in the in season stealing
signals every week. You know, I talk about like
which backfields have the most team high value touches.
And so I I built like a little model and from my actual
projections to turn like running back touchdowns into like
expected Green Zone touches and then added in the receptions.
And then I just said this is what my projections say about
what I'm projecting for team high value touches.
I did this two years ago and last year and they both were
like really fucking accurate actually.
Like they were pretty good. Like we we do have a good idea
what backfields are going to have strong high value touch
like elements to them. And I haven't done it yet this
year. I'm going to do it again.
I'm going to do it next week. Pretty confident the Broncos are
going to be like top three because I was projecting them to
catch a lot of balls. Everything that we were talking
about last year when it was like get every piece of the Denver
backfield. They still finished top five in
running back targets even though Marvin Mims was a wide receiver
getting targets out of the backfield towards the end of the
year, right. Jevonte Williams had 70 targets
last year. Jevonte Williams That's crazy
man. At 70 targets, it's insane.
Money backs don't get 70 targets anymore.
Like this conversation, RJ Harvey or JK Dobbins For me it's
like it's the why not both me like I'm they're gonna probably
split is my take. I don't necessarily know that
I'm as high as you in terms of Harvey like consolidating.
It sounds like you're maybe a little higher than I'm thinking,
but I don't. Think I think I might be a
little lower on Henderson week one too.
I I think people, OK, people need to just like settle in for
for a little bit of a, a rough go as far as of like early down
roll goes for the beginning of the season.
That's it's like my Trayvon Henderson PSAI think he takes
that backfield and crushes down the stretch.
But it's going to take a minute. That makes sense, The like as a
take. I don't know if I necessarily
agree with it, but. It makes sense.
I think enters, it's going to get kind of a lot of work right
away. But similar to what you were
saying for Harvey, I do agree on on the Harvey side of it, which
is like, if everything I just said, people might say, well,
why not just take Dobbins? Well, Harvey's the one that
they're going to proactively get the ball to in space that like
the first and second down targets that people have talked
about like they're going to throw to him those swing passes
where it's like getting the ball load running back while he's
moving on the run, catching an into space.
They that's what Peyton's always done.
It's not a check down where the guy standing there as an outlet
and then has to like create, right.
It's like I'm throwing the ball to him on the run to get him.
That's what they did with Marvin Mims last year, like throwing on
the ball on the run, getting him out, moving wide as like a first
read. And Harvey's going to get those.
Those touches are going to be Harvey.
So he's going to have plenty of receptions even though he can't
pass block and he's going to lead in rushes.
I think, I mean, that's the tough thing is like, does
Dobbins get the goal line work early?
But he's usually split the goal line stuff, Peyton.
Like last year when I wanted Javonte Williams to be a thing
when he wouldn't score on 1st down, they'd bring in Julia
McLaughlin on 2nd down early in the year and I would be pissed.
I'd be like, just give him every goal line carry so I can get a
touchdown for the love of God, which probably wouldn't have
ever scored because it was Javonte Williams.
But. That's what they're.
Going that's what they're going to do this year is they're going
to have like Harvey on 1st down, Dobbins on 2nd, Harvey on 3rd,
Dobbins on 4th. That's what they used to do with
Camara and Ingram, you know, and one of them eventually punches
it in. They're both double digit T DS.
I mean, yeah, Camara had touchdown equity like right
away. So yeah, the committee works in
his favor, but I think it works in Dobbins.
His favor. That was my, I don't know, it
wasn't, it's not even really a bold take anymore because both
of them have gone up in ADP. But I did the Fantasy point show
in July and my thing was like a draft of Denver running back in
every draft. Get these guys like sixth round
cuz that was when Hardy was falling on the Dobbins signing
and Dobbins you could still get in the one 20s.
The way this it probably functions in reality, right, is
like you slightly overpay for RJ Harvey here relative to his week
one through 7 or eight production and then you get a
fucking massive windfall value for his week 9 through 17
production like that. That's the game you're playing
with these guys. Same with the Trevi on
Henderson. You're just paying a slightly
bigger tax on that lack of pre season usage.
But the the thesis does not change for when we care about
it. The point is, can you get enough
wins? So you still got to get there
bro kind of thing. Yeah, but I do think Harvey's
going to get, I guess I the part I do agree with Pat on is I bet
Harvey has a higher scoring floor.
I do think those the high value touch stuff in the Broncos
backfield is going to be because Peyton didn't have running backs
to use last year. That's why you're not talking
about it so much. We were talking about all last
season that he's always used his backs, but even despite not
having any running backs to use, he didn't like any of them.
That's why he was still playing Jovante so much.
He's still they still were top five in running back targets and
that was Bo Nix's thing in college.
Remember his A dots too low. All he did was throw to his
backfield in college, short completions, all this stuff.
Then they went out and acquired 2 good running backs.
JK Dobbins had 20 plus catches all three years at Ohio State.
He's never been in an offense that actually throws to the
backs. He's always been in Greg Roman
offenses like they're he's going to catch balls, Harvey's going
to catch balls. Bonex throws to his backs, Sean
Payton throws to his backs. He's finally got backs that he
actually likes here in Denver. They have one of the best
offenses offensive lines in the league.
Like this is this is a great spot, All the high value touch
stuff you're saying, but like, this is an offensive going to be
really effective. You have Bonex going to be
taking a step forward. They're scored a ton of points.
Yeah. And yeah, I mean, it's not like
they have a dominant wide receiver core.
It makes a lot of sense for them to use the backs out of the
backfield and kind of it'll, you know, probably be a bit spread
out, but that's, that's good for running backs 'cause they don't
ever running backs don't have like 28% target shares.
You know what I mean? If you're spreading the ball
around, that's that's good. That's the other part of this
that that's getting masked. Sorry.
One last note is that they threw because their running backs
suck. Last year we were saying they
score a bunch of points. They only had 12 rushing TDs as
a team. They threw 30.
When I was going to the projections and looking at Sean
Payton's other teams, that's that's uncommon.
His running backs rush for touchdowns.
They're going to rush for TDs this year.
The the that's where. That's where people are missing
the running back value as well on that side.
In retrospect, it's kind of bearish that he took Javonte
Williams aside, showed him film of what he used to look like,
and said could you look like this again, an actual thing he
did. Not good, not good.
Go ahead. Here, Yeah, Here's the lay of
the land since we're going to be picking in a couple picks here.
So Brock Bowers, Jonathan Taylor, Ted Arora, McMillan,
Devante Adams, R Slider grab, RJ Harvey about to pick here at the
end of the sixth. We've seen a ton of wide
receivers and also some tight ends come off the board here.
Jamo's gone, Ricky's gone. Ridley, DJ Moore, Ibuka Flowers,
Mclaurin Hunter, Devante Smith slides all the way to the mid 6.
Jerry Judy goes and then the tight ends that went Hawkinson,
Laporta, Kelsey and Warren there at six two I.
Assume this is going to be a a wide.
Receiver pick for us unless there's a a running back jumping
out to you guys. Yeah, this would be receiver for
me. Yeah.
Is Terry Mclaurin not gone? He did go, he went, but he he
went, he hung around for a while.
He did didn't. He was like is.
He yes, we're. On deck here by ADP, we're
getting you know Rashi Rice has been sliding.
He just went. He just.
Went oh, he just went, sorry I missed that.
There's one. There's one guy, yeah.
There's one dude that we. Would there's two guys for me
that I'm happy with? There's one guy, would be really
fun. Yeah.
So we'll see here 20 seconds I think.
I'm the same I. Think we're thinking the same.
I, I, I would be surprising if we weren't.
Yeah. Yeah.
After we get. Through this I want to talk
about Ricky Pearsall at five O 5 because that.
Let's talk about that after this too.
Yeah, I want to talk about that. I'd like to discuss.
Is it is Waddle if he's? Yeah.
Waddle goes. I knew that was so we kind of
have the decisions we did last night, right?
You got you got Alave, you got Golden, you got Debo, you got
Jawan, Jennings, Addison. OK, that wasn't I was thinking
the other guy you were talking about was a lava because you
sounded less excited about the other guy.
But. Well, I wanted waddle.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I think in my rankings it's Addison, Alave, then Golden and
I'm not like I'm not out on Golden by any means.
I I but probably would give the same line Sean did last night,
which is like, I kind of like just playing the veteran.
You know, you can get Jade and Reed at the next turn, but we
could take them both, yeah. I also, I also wouldn't I would
really like to get an Addison too, so I don't mind like taking
Addison and then seeing like. He's probably 7 O2.
OK, we could. Get him seven O 2 I think.
What I'm saying, yeah. Yeah, let the room dictate it a
little bit because we're low on clock.
Or do you? Let's do that.
Let's let's go, Addison. OK, All right.
Yeah, let's go Addison. I'm the guest now.
So I get AI get a do that. Yeah, it's nice.
Isn't it? It's.
Very nice to be in this scene that's early for Addison, but I
mean, I love Jordan Addison. He I mean he might have came all
the way back around to us in the 8th, but whatever.
What are you going to do? I?
Don't know I mean. There's probably not.
So much yellow coming off the board in these rounds.
Yes, this has been a a receiver heavy draft.
I I saw you guys talk about Addison quite a bit last night,
so I'll save the whole spiel. But Pat, what I was going to say
is with this team with only two receivers and if we were
thinking about Addison coming back that I kind of like we
don't have enough time for this kind of like a lot of more with
Addison. If we were going to do Addison
at seven O 2. That's why I.
Kind of. I see.
I see. 1st and talk about it, but I'm comfortable taking
Golden as well like I, I, I am I don't have a lot of exposure to
golden. We're going to say I.
Just think Golden, he's had a really strong camp.
He's a three-year guy. It's like some of you know, I
think he's a very kind of boom bust prospect.
The floor is low but the ceiling is high.
Like we've seen some of these incomplete 3 year guys actually
break out very quickly. Be awesome.
Right. The film guys had it right.
The the draft capital told us the story and he's been
installed as their number one. Seems like he's running with
that opportunity. He's making plays every day.
You don't have to pay the tax that you have to pay on a buka.
I think it's a big upside swing. And I don't know, I don't think
we've taken yet or have we taken once, Pete?
We did golden. We did didn't we do golden last
night? Which or no, we didn't.
We did a lava and yeah, but I'm I'm good with either a lava or
golden here. So feel free, Greg.
I'm I'm I'm completely torn. I think I I have more lava and
I've been moving a lava back because that offense sucks.
Let's take golden. I I think golden yeah, more fun.
Let's take golden Lava's The offense looks gross.
Shaheed actually looked pretty good in the preseason part of my
lava take earlier. Like I I liked that you guys
took him last night and I've been talking about to Sean
enough that Sean's been saying he's taking him a little, but he
you saying on the pot he's like, I'm I'm getting your guy a lava.
I'm like, I don't know if I like the economy, my guy in the
league. Like.
But I'm. Sean looks kind of pained last
night when we took a lava. I think maybe a little bit.
I talked to him today because we did the draft and he made it.
I asked him how the draft went. We talked a little and he did
make a comment. He was like, I wish you know, it
would have worked out where that you got.
You said said something like that you.
Guys got a lot, you got a lot. Tonight, yeah, it was very
funny. I was like, Oh yeah.
We took Judy and then Alave came back around so.
He and he didn't go to take Addison, who's more his guy than
me and I and I get to take Addison, which is very fun, but
I've been super into alave. But the part I'm sorry, I'm I'm
figured if I were to make this point, but part of it is that
Shaheed's coming back from a you know, not a not an ACL, but a
significant knee injury. And I thought, you know, target
competition, be super weak Shaheed like be like closer to
on par with the lava then I want him to be a lava has got a lot
better long term track record. But if she if she gets close to
that and they trade for a Pele. Yeah, the meniscus, I think it
was a meniscus. So that's not like as serious, I
guess, depending on the severity.
But yeah, it's not like he tore A ligament and he's it's down to
like he's been pretty healthy at camp.
The veil things, I almost think view the veil thing is bullish,
though, where it's like, OK, if you trade for veil, you're going
to pass the ball. I guess you're thinking you're
good enough to trade fourth round pick, which are definitely
not. But I kind of like that you
think that you are, you know, like they're they're not like
full on. I don't know.
There's some belief in the room, which I suppose is good.
I don't know what's creating the belief because their quarterback
situation is somehow worse than the Browns, but you know, I'm
happy that they think they can throw it.
Gretsch. What were you gonna we also you
said you wanted to talk about the the pure Sol selection there
at 55. What was your thoughts on that?
Ride is is that insane or am I? Am I crazy?
I'm not in on it, yeah. That's what I was just gonna
say. That is where he's going like
he's he's going in the fifth round and in underdog drafts
right now. I mean, obviously you get the
tight end push up here. So even adjusted that's even
higher than that, but that's that's where the market is.
So I feel like at this point with him.
So when Maine's is the middle of the six, sorry, Leonie and Silva
wanted to talk about about the 5-6 turn and I was like, that's
just too early for the student. So to see him go in this at five
O 5 was pretty shocking to me. But the main thing is like the
way that Leon is talking about is like the off seasons broke
right for him. I get that.
But that's a week 1 argument, right?
Like Juan Jennings contract and calf stuff is concerning.
He was way better last year on a per out basis.
Like I understand that Pierce all had a good end of the season
and I understand he's a year two guy and he's looked good.
But all the stuff from camp is consistently like this dude
doesn't get out of his brakes, He's not where he needs to be on
time. We got to just keep working with
him to make sure that Purdy knows that like he's going to be
where he needs to be on time. He's got to keep getting better
at that. Like maybe This is why he's
never run strong targets numbers even in college or last year
unless they're like featuring him.
His first couple games back from the gunshot, he got a lot of
targets. Then he went like 4 games with
nothing while running a lot of routes.
And then he closed the season when their season was over, when
they got eliminated with two really strong games, when they
were sort of featuring him and building him up again.
They've been featuring them all camp.
I think they'll feature him at times this year.
Brandon Iuke was a second round pick last year.
Like when they were talking about trading him, everyone in
the league was like, this dude's one of the top ten wide
receivers in the entire NFL. And then the 49ers paid him.
When he comes back, like down the stretch, that guy's going to
land on top of you. And you had a 14% targets per
out as a rookie and your breakout's going to be so good
that that's not going to matter. Christian McCaffrey ran 91
routes last year. He's going to be a part of your
passing game. He runs legitimate routes and
gets open. George Kittle still there.
Juwan Jennings had a better season last year, meaningfully
almost double the targets per out.
Where's the Ricky Pierce all like legit ceiling come from?
Like that was the other thing I was when I was talking about
Evans. He's.
Good. But where's the ceiling?
Because if I'm taking him in round 4 around 3 or whatever, I
want to know that he can be like a legit ceiling guy and not just
like, oh, he scores a lot of touchdowns.
I just I don't know, man, some of these picks, it's like this
is not going to win the main event or win you your league
like this is and and pure salt here.
I feel like you're going to, you're hoping for a really good
first month. Well, I'll make the pro pure
salt case because I'm always making the anti pure salt case
because I think he's undervalued and I have a mega fit Samsung
and best ball. So overvalued, right?
Yeah. Yeah, Sorry.
I think he's overvalued. Yeah.
But if you're a first round pick and then they get rid of Debo,
Iuke tears up his knee and Jennings is dealing with calf
contract stuff, then you get a whole training camp to get
installed as the number one option.
Looking at the first read stuff last year, Juan Jennings was at
a 20% personal target rate, which is really good.
But he's Juan Jennings. Like does that mean it's
probably that they were just he was the guy they trusted but he
to get out of his brakes? To get out of his brakes, Yeah,
but you know. Pierce was a rookie, so maybe
come on, let me. Let me finish.
Let me do it. I've never done it.
You know, I'm I'm making it up as I go.
But. But Jennings is, you know,
tapped to be the. Number one guy and.
He immediately goes for over 2 yards per outrun because that's
how efficient this offense is. If you're the number one guy in
the Shanahan offense, you can be the dude.
And if Pierce all gets anointed as the guy steps up, performs in
that role for a month, IU coming back from a multi ligament knee
tear might not be 100% all season.
He might have trouble displacing what Pierce all's doing.
And Jennings certainly might have trouble kind of working
back into Shanahan's good graces.
And this offense has has supported multiple guys.
I mean, you mentioned IU being a second round pick.
Well, Debo's going right in that same range too, because this
offense is traditionally, you know, been one that can support
multiple wide receivers. So I think that there is some
upside to the pure Sol bet and I get why people are excited.
I think he's just really overpriced for the talent based
bet that you're getting. It feels very opportunity based
and I, I agree with everything you're saying about kind of
being not only opportunity based, but front weighted
opportunity based, which is weird for a second year player.
But so I have a really hard time with the price, but I would, I
do think there's a ceiling. Like if he's good, he could run
away with a job here. Well, it's kind of funny, right?
Because it's almost the inverse. Of the dynamic we were talking
about with Trevion Henderson where you're paying a tax for
like the later season, you know, breakout, you're like paying the
premium for the front loaded breaking pure Sol stuff because
he gets really murky after that if he's not a superstar and like
Joe says in the chat, if pure Sol is a superstar, the setup is
there for him. No one is arguing with the setup
like no one it's that first part it's like no one thinks his
profile indicates he's a superstar.
That's my concern. But I do think.
Patrick's made a Really. I, I, I'm going to, I'm going to
say that you just convinced me that.
I hope I didn't convince you because I have none of this.
Guy yeah, it's one of my biggest fates.
But that. I'm that I'm that I'm looking.
At him too negatively, which was the point where you made where
when Jawan Jennings got into the number one role that the the
first retarget share in the way that he was scoring.
And like you're right. If if if Pierce all becomes that
clear. Number one.
I just I think it's crowded, man.
Like that was last year. That's the other thing I dislike
about his rookie number so much is I uke was hurt, CMC was hurt.
Debo had pneumonia, they needed someone to do all that, so
Jennings stepped up and did all that.
But if you can't earn targets in that environment, what about if
CMC stays healthy? What about if IU comes back and
is good this year? And I think IUK is?
It's weird. That his situation has.
Not really changed and his price is just like really falling.
Draco and I took him in a in a basketball in the end of the
13th earlier and then Sean, I took him today in the end of the
12th and I'll talk about it on stream because I don't want to
take him again at the end of the 12th.
Somebody take him before then. It's absurd.
He's too he's too talented. He'd be 12 months removed when
he. Comes.
Back they're already factor in the multi ligament stuff with
the six week timeline. I just, I mean, I don't think
he's going to be amazing, but he's probably a lot better than
Ricky Pearsall. Like a lot better.
Yeah, if healthy, I think it's. It's be hard to argue.
Yeah, we are. About.
To be on deck, we are on the clock, Ferguson, Lovelink off
the board, Keon Coleman, Joan Jennings gone is well, looking
at ADP. You're looking at some running
backs like Caleb Johnson, Jordan Mason, ETN Dobbins.
What do you guys see in here, Mason?
Went I don't. Like Caleb Johnson, Very.
Much right? Now I'm seeing Josh.
Downs. Potentially, but.
Down read. What do you see, Pat?
Well. We could do Bill again.
I'd be fine. This is Yeah.
I was going to ask if this. Is where you guys take him the
only? Guys that have have ahead of him
in my rankings are Dobbins and Caleb, but I don't like Caleb
enough to take him. Yeah, I don't love Caleb either.
But I love Downs, you know, and I think Downs is a really good.
Peck with Daniel Jones. Winning the job, The two rookies
under suspended Addison. We could use them.
Yeah. All right, let's do downs.
Well, Grimes downs here. Going to be ready for week.
One the the hamstring is not a massive issue.
He was already massively underpriced and then he he was
going to rise, but he didn't because Anthony Richardson was
going to win the job. And then Anthony Richardson
didn't win the job and now he's just going at 8:11 for reasons
that are there. He's one behind Keon Coleman.
It doesn't make any sense. Deon Jones is good enough to
make Josh Downs into a star. Josh Downs is good enough.
To be a. Star Even with Daniel Jones.
Let's put it that way. Yeah, I do like that pairing
with. Addison assuming you know, Downs
is is good to go for the start of the Yeah.
And I was going to ask about. Pitman because maybe we could
have just went Pitman ahead of Downs, but I think both the
cultures, I think Downs is just better than Pitman though,
right? That's why I didn't ask.
I was like I. Kind of just want to do the
Downs thing. So Reed was the other.
One and then Pitman. On my receiver side, I've been.
Low man on Jacori. Kroski Merit in a lot of places.
I was talking with Jacob Sanderson about it yesterday and
he ends up writing the whole article and talking about the
text that I sent him. And I tweeted about it a little
bit earlier. But I guess I, I can't justify
why we wouldn't take him at this point.
I, I, I feel like I've ranked him low and I still have him in
this rank. Do you have him ahead of Caleb?
Oh. Caleb goes so that that comes.
I do have Caleb ahead of him, but I don't really.
Want to take Caleb, and it's probably just cause of ADP.
The only guy I have ahead of him at this point is Dobbins, who I
do really like. But we have RJ Harvey, so yeah,
that makes that. Makes sense.
We can't take Dobbins so. It's either and.
Then we don't want Jay Reid. We don't want Jay Reid.
We Holden. Yeah, I kind of want to start
the goal. You could also stash Godwin on a
team like this. He's only.
Expected to miss three to four weeks at this point.
You could do that. I think we just take.
I think we just take cross key. Merritt at this point.
I think won't come back. Take him.
Yeah, I mean I, I. I find it a little.
Bit strange that people aren't like the dots are so connected,
but it's like, oh, they, they just didn't like Brian Robinson.
But you know, I guess they're you got to figure out what
they're going to do with running back.
It's like they're going to play the guy who took his job.
Like what do you mean? Like maybe not 100% right away,
but like it's, it's going to be his job.
I'm in, I'm in. I want him, yeah.
I want him. He's behind ADP now in the last
three days in big Girl as in main events, he's going at the
eight O 9 we get him. At the nine O 2, we actually get
him. This is this is called the
slide. In case you guys.
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Very. So I'm going to.
Do the weird thing and talk negatively about the pick we
just made. But my.
With. Bill is what I.
Tweeted earlier is that they traded Johan Dodson right before
the start of last season, and then it wasn't for anyone.
It was just to move on from Dodson and to kind of let him
have a new whatever, a new home, change of scenery, whatever.
Luke McCaffrey didn't step into anything.
Nobody stepped in anything. I do, I do believe the the hype
about the really good offseason for for Bill.
I think what that's meant is they now have a roster issue
because they were always going to have Eckler, they were always
going to have Chris Rodriguez and they were always going to
have Jeremy Mcnichols because of the ways that those guys help on
special teams in the different roles that they fill.
And so when Bill forces way onto the roster, at minimum, now I'm
not saying this is the only thing, but at minimum that made
Robinson expendable. And then eventually, you know,
there's some behind the scenes discussions and Robinson, I
mean, probably it could have. Been Chris Rodriguez, who's.
Expendable but I'm pretty sure Chris Rodriguez plays a little
bit on special teams and people have talked about how he's been
cut in these things Rodriguez, I just.
I don't know, I. Don't know that I buy into.
That stuff, it's late season, whatever you kind of have to do.
Certain roster things late. Season, but they brought him
back this offseason and I think they know what they have and
they had planned to to do stuff with him.
Yeah, he does plan special. Teams every active.
Game he played at least one snap on special teams in as many as
13. So I just, I, I guess I think
that like he's going to be a part of the back foot now and
then. I, I have concern about the
overall scoring environment, particularly the receptions.
His profile's not good for receptions.
And Daniels doesn't throw to the backs.
They do RPO quick hits to the wide receivers and Debo's going
to get that stuff and Jalen Lane may get that stuff and then then
he runs. There's no like check downs
either. Eckler's one of the best
receiving backs this generation, had what, like 20 catches last
year, had basically nothing compared to the rest of his
career numbers. Kneckler was good last year, not
just as a runner or a receiver, but as a returner.
He looked explosive last year. At times.
He looked like he had a little bit of his burst back after
being hurt in his last year with the Chargers.
So like, I think he's still a big part of the backfield.
I do think Jakor Crossing merits.
Probably going to be ahead. Of Chris Rodriguez and Mcnichols
and be the other guy that's like playing a lot, but like, if he's
in. A committee.
I never really liked the Robinson play, as you know, Pat,
I've always kind of poked you about it.
But like if you're in a committee.
In a backfield that doesn't really.
Throw the backs, it's kind of an issue, but Daniels does allow.
You to get some. Explosive runs, that's what he
does provide you with these mobile quarterbacks, provide,
you know, rushing lanes. Yeah, but I mean, Robinson has
always. Been for me at the kind of a
best ball thing where like, hey, I don't know, this guy's like
nominally the starter. He's going to get some rushes,
you know, and he's just it's just underpriced for where he
goes and he's getting a slot in my lineup whenever he scores a
touchdown. Jacori Kroski Merritt is like
maybe really explosive. Like to me, he's more like
Pacheco where like he's actually adding something to the offense
that they're like, oh, the other guys don't do this.
Like what if we play this guy more?
So I think, you know, he's he's very much back weighted to me,
but we're going to see him right away.
Like he's going to get carries week 1 for sure.
Is he going to have the starting roles?
You're going to be startable? Maybe not, but who cares?
Like we have RJ Harvey with Jonathan Taylor.
That's right, he can work. Into a bigger role.
That's the bets we're making in these ranges most of the time
anyway. That's what Caleb Johnson is.
Because Caleb Johnson's not going to play a ton early.
I don't think he's not. Yeah, Caleb Johnson's not going
to play a. Ton early I I would not be
surprised at all if Jacory crossing Merritt has more
carries than Caleb Johnson. We want that's not that.
That wouldn't be. Shocking, I actually.
Feel like that's probably, well, I might be it might be it might
be the best, yeah. It might be the best.
Even money on a it's probably. Even money the only.
Reason it won't be if. It's not is because Arthur
Smith's offense will have 30 rushing running back carries
total. The running back.
Rush share Running back rush share is the.
Better bet that's the sharp. Bet I love it, Yeah, but I mean,
it just feels weird. It feels crazy, but it's like,
hey, this guy is probably even money for Carrie's Week 1 and is
on the much more exciting offense and has worse
competition for early down carries going forward.
Like he can spread his wing so easily.
So yeah, I'm I'm very in. Someone asked if there.
Is a bill clip in production? Absolutely not.
The way these things work is once we have like over 50%
exposure to a player, we no longer have them clip eligible.
It's just it's not. You're lucky you got fannin
people. Thought Fannin was going to be
this like this guy that Pat was way too into and we didn't have
a ton of exposure and now we starting to show up on a lot of
teams so it's getting close. The thing is, is though, it
feels a lot. Can I say that I'm so honored?
That I made the clip. Even though I haven't been dark
wing. Duck.
We talked. Man and I started doing some
singing. I love it.
I appreciate it. It's so good.
No, I. Mean the the thing.
Is though is like mushing. Your ninth round pick is a lot
different than mushing like your 16th round pick.
We can survive a 16th round mush.
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For Bill in this range at this. Point the next conversation
becomes, is he a better bet at all of those things than Jaden
Blue? Is he a better bet at all those
things than Cam Scataboo? Because those are the guys that
I had a hard time moving them ahead of.
I did just do that in the last couple of days, but originally
when I moved him up I had him behind Blue, behind Scataboo.
Behind the other ones, I'm not going.
To name because I think. For me, yes, on blue, Blue
hasn't. I've I just have had a harder
time with blue kind of the profile being more of like the
past. Oh yeah, I've been using the.
I've been using the sidekick. For my.
Slows from Miami and Jayden blue I got to scroll to find Jayden
blue you. Guys.
Hate him over there. Well, the.
The thing about the Cowboys? Backfield is it it seems like
the answer might be no one because they they want to play
lipke. They want to throw out a turp in
they're going to they're going to have Williams.
They all they're talking to Mafa.
You know, Sanders was the way we were playing.
He might get cut now. So there's just like it's a
million ways to get hurt. It's just how the Cowboys
backfield is starting to feel to me, where Merritt seems like
like their their plan is to I think it's to basically handed
hand the early down stuff to bill over time and they'll use
they'll use Rodriguez to help ramp him up.
But but that that will be his job.
And I just I don't I don't know that that's the Cowboys plan
like at all with blue. I think he could maybe force
that to be the plan with good enough play.
But yeah, that's where I'm at on him.
And then scataboo feels like more all or nothing where he I
think he can just straight up take that job.
But Tracy's like the clear cut starter to begin the season and
is does he kind of devolve into a bit of a roster clogger where
you're not even like seeing him like is he good?
You know, he's still like a black box and it's week 4 and
we're cutting him. So that's that's what would be
the concern with scataboo. I like Scataboo a lot, but
you're just going to get more information on on on Bill.
Yeah, I like Scataboo a ton. Too.
I think there's just the the elements of like the multi leg
parlay. It's like got to beat Tracy.
We need the quarterback play to be good enough.
You know, we need him, you know, to like, I see it coming
together. All right, we're on the clock
here. Luther Burden's gone, Godwin's
gone. But I'll toss out, you know,
Higgins. And there's some running backs
that are interesting, too. I threw I threw in the private
chat. Who?
I what who I would have had in the queue like 4 picks ago and
then the others went off and there wasn't any of them.
I think the pick kind of has to be Jaden Higgins.
We only have 5 receivers through 9 rounds.
This is it's a big tear break, I think.
Like it's a huge tear break after he closes sort of the
wide. Receiver window and he shouldn't
go this late, right? Is there any reason you guys
would be out on him? No, I'm I'm not out on him at
all. He's the only reason I.
Wouldn't want to take him. Is because I'm so excited about
some other guys, but let me but I think the the correct move is
probably to take Higgins who's actually the highest in my
rankings right now yeah, let's take him about other wide.
Receivers or other. Running.
Backs. Back running backs.
No, I agree with you. I think there's been a big right
here. He's the last of the tier.
Yeah, great. And we're on the same page on
the way back too. Because I don't, I don't think
the guy in the one hole is listening to us based on some of
his picks. I don't.
The other name is, is is Drake May all these Q BS go off and
Drake may doesn't go off. But I don't think you can take a
QB. It's not flat enough.
You take Q BS when it's flat. You know what I'm saying?
It's not flat. It's not flat.
We have to. Take it might be flat if this
between what this guy does, but it's not flat yet it could
flatten out a little bit yeah, there's.
Yeah, there. Yeah, so we grab.
Higgins there. Yeah.
It's not flat. Yeah, well, I.
Think Samson or Tuten. Yeah, I.
Would I? I would have.
Dylan Sampson in the same tier, but I'm pretty sure you're
saying Tooten, and I'm going to go ahead and change my rankings
because I still have Samson ahead of Tootin, but I'm just
going to put Tootin ahead while we're on the air because he
belongs ahead. You're talking about Tootin,
right, Pat? I'm talking about Tootin.
Yeah, Tootin's. Taking that job, I don't know.
You saw the Yeah, I haven't moved from Nate Tice or he's
like, I don't think Tootin just straight up takes this job you
got. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't.
Move him ahead of Samson yet. We did the first and second
round and I had been seeing some of the hype.
We just did that this week and I, I haven't looked at this
range of my rankings this week yet.
I go, I make a list of the guys that I kind of think could be in
the discussion. Jayden Higgins was in the, you
know, honorable mentions. I want to put Tootin.
At 2:12 as. Like the one fun guy that you
get in there that like people wouldn't expect next year, which
is obviously not this year you're talking about probably
ETN and Bigsby are just not only the question or in the equation
or in the picture anymore. Baseball Tootin is just the guy
in the Liam Cohen offense at that point, but this year I.
Think that also happened. That's the one that transition
happens. That's how he winds up as a
second year or second round pick next year.
So the fact that I I had him at 2:12 in 2026 ADP, I'm pretty.
Excited to get him at 11 O 2IN. This Yeah, that seems good
Travis CTN is an. Unrestricted free agent.
To your point there and then big BBD on the last year was deal is
the clear backup and it's just, it's just clearly Basil Tootin's
backfield. I can, I can see that.
I mean, you know, the easiest thing is to just think of him as
this year's Bucky Irving. He's got the exact same coach as
Bucky Irving. He's kind of somewhat similar to
Bucky Irving, you know, so it's an easy one.
And then it's super. Where's Bucky going?
Bucky's. Going and like Dulu 9.
So why, when, if anything, you might be low.
We brought that question up on bananas.
Somebody asked us or something or I don't know if Siegel posed
it like right after the draft and I was like, it's obviously
facial tune. He took Jarquez Hunter, who he
still is constantly talking about.
He we, he did. AI keep mentioning.
We did a draft together earlier today and we recorded it and we
took Jarquez Hunter on that and I asked him a lot, kind of
grilled him about Jarquez Hunter.
So if you're curious about Sean's takes on Jarquez Hunter,
we went through it quite a bit on today's episode of of
Stealing Bananas. We'll probably post like
tomorrow. But anyway, the tooting's been
that like obvious answer to that question.
It feels like too obvious answer to that question the whole
offseason. His his profile is so good.
His draft capital is way better than even Bucky's was.
I mean, obviously he's not he's not directly Bucky and what
Bucky did is an outlier and it's exciting and you can't always
have that. There may not be Bucky this
year. Like you want access to this
rookie running back class. We've been saying it since
freaking like February and March and and April.
Like we now have RJ Harvey, Jacory Croskey, Merit and Bashel
Tooten who are like 3 of the like 5 most exciting ones.
Right? Like it's I'm very excited about
having access to the rookie running back class.
That's the big macro thing you have to do this year.
Agreed. For sure, and it's a deep.
Rookie running back class like I I think the there's just a lot
of. Ways to play because.
It's it's good at the top, it's incredible at the top with Ash
and Gente. There's there's a bunch of guys
who are all, you know, very strong prospects.
But yeah, the guy I've been fading, Ben is Caleb Johnson
because I think he, he belongs more with tootin.
I actually have Tootin and Scataboo and my and my stuff
ahead of them. Like his pure prospects, even
with the draft capital, I think, I think they come out ahead
because of the pass catching element they bring.
But that's, you know, when you when you have that break, which
Caleb Johnson is kind of split the, the, you know, in between
those tears. And I think he belongs with the
the guys below him. But once you get down there,
those prices are so good. Scataboo, especially now that
he's back at practice and and healthy.
He's a great, great pick too. But yeah, Tooten's my highest
drafted player. I I think he's just like that.
That could be an explosive offense.
The offensive line isn't great, but I still think they can they
can put up points. They can just be so, so improved
compared to last year. And they this, this team has no
ties to these running backs. No ties.
I I think if, if Tootin doesn't get banged up in training camp,
he probably he. He's probably going like 2 or. 3
rounds higher by now because because he would have, he would
have already started to be pretty clearly the guy they're
going to hand it to. Gretch, can we get?
Your. Take on the, you know, the Jaden
Higgins pick. I think, you know, he's sliding
just a smidge here because of the, you know, slot demons
playing in, you know, 2 wide receiver sets with Nico.
There was a lot of enthusiasm for Higgins I think at the start
of the summer when he first landed there.
And now everyone's like, oh, what if, you know, he's kind of
odd man out. There's this Xavier Hutchinson
comments, etcetera. So sell, sell the people on
Jaden Higgins at this tenth round price tag.
Yeah, well, I mean, he was. Incredibly good last year if you
look at the college like you know, yards per out run profiles
and stuff. I know people have mentioned
I've I've seen people like I saw Madison Park Hill, who I think
is really sharp, make a, a case on on for Jalen Noel somewhat
recently. And I, I see people say that
they were both good. And that's just not the way that
I would articulate it. In 2023 when Higgins was in his
first year in an offense that Noel had been there in for a
couple years, he had a Higgins had a much higher A dot little
bit lower yards per target, but it gave him like really similar
weighted targets per route. When I when I look at that stuff
or sorry, I said yards per target, I meant targets per
route, but it gave him very similar weighted targets per out
in terms of like the air yards and stuff.
And then Higgins was just way better in yards per target.
So he had like a three yards per out run.
Knowles good at like 2.55, but Higgins at 3 point O next year
it flips. So Knowles targets per out.
Goes. Down Higgins goes way up and
Knowles A dot also rose but and so the yards per out run kind of
actually his yards per target went up.
The yards per run sort of converged, but the target
earning is what I mean that flipped suddenly Higgins at the
high A dot was earning 29% targets per out, which is
really, really good. And then the big thing that
everyone says about him that I really like about him as a
rookie is that he's got incredible hands.
And so then when I was watching the like the film on him, dude
is like it really good at playing the ball in the air.
And I don't think drops matter, but I do low key really love the
guys that just always bring the ball in.
And so like Pat, you've done the the research on the rookies who
like it's they they succeed because of efficiency, because
they don't always get a ton of routes.
The, the way that I think Higgins succeeds is a is on
efficiency, which he had in both years at Iowa State and in, you
know, in prior during his college, wherever the hell he
transferred from, I can't remember.
But he's got incredible hands. So when he gets on the field and
he actually runs the routes and stuff, he's going to play the
ball well. He's going to, he's going to
make those plays and I think they're going to rely on him.
People are worried that he's like too redundant with Nico and
I think they'll just play them together and he'll get a work
off Nico. They're going to play plenty of
three wide receiver sets. I'm not super concerned about
like 2 wide receiver sets being a major.
I mean, they're going to do some of that a little bit more of
that under the new offensive coordinator, new offense is is
like trending that way a little bit.
They like cage Stover, their second tight end, all that
stuff. But we know that with rookies,
like some of that's going to be there in the first few weeks and
those things as the season goes along, man, I just think he's
going to be really, really good. The the Noel thing, the other
thing I'll point out is just a draft capital.
They took Higgins right at the top around 2.
Like this is a really good draft capital.
They took Noel end of around 3 and Noel also contributes on
special teams and they had already like drafted Kirk or
signed Kirk. My read on Knowles that they
brought him in as like receiver depth heir apparent to Kirk and
as like a kick returner, which a lot of these teams are actually
prioritizing kick returners this year.
Like the the eagles really sharp team paid Avery Williams like 4
million guaranteed, not not 4 million, sorry, like 400,000
guaranteed to come and be their their kick returner.
The guy from from Atlanta, he's been a, he's been a backup
running back in Atlanta for a few years.
They paid AJ Dillon like 150,000 guaranteed to come in and
compete for the RB2 job. So this is like a depth RB, but
it's 'cause he's the kick return, he got like much
guaranteed. I think that happened in the
draft a decent amount more than people are realizing that like
some of these some of these guys are going to plan on special
teams and like you, you start to get the special teams picks in
about round three, round 4. I don't think Noel's like a bad
pick late, like he could definitely work his way in, but
I don't think they're on like level footing by any means.
They drafted Jaden Higgins really high.
Like you just said, it's a really good draft capital and
and Noel, I think. Is slot only like even if and I
I kind of like him. I think he's a decent prospect,
but I I think Higgins is definitely a better prospect and
he's slot only and so he's the guy I'd be worried about with
the slot team and stuff, not Jaden Higgins, who's definitely
an outside guy. I guess like Xavier Hutchinson
might play some to begin. And I think the thing to me with
with Higgins, like early on, everyone was excited because it
felt like you get to win twice. Like you get this dude who's
actually going to contribute right away because he because
they were calling him a starter. He's working, you know, in with
the first team right away. But then obviously he's back
weighted because, you know, he'll get more and more and
maybe he gets better and better down the stretch.
But then it was like, oh, we're going to have to wait, actually
probably a little for his like role to fully materialize.
Not that I don't think he'll start or like have like
significant role right away, but he probably, you know, it might
be a little inconsistent out of the gate, but So what?
Like if he's, you know, at this price, it got to me like where I
when I have the decision between him and burden, I'm sometimes
just taking Luther burden and best ball because I I love
Luther burden. I think he's awesome.
The really high ceiling, but burden's long gone now.
Burden went up the other side of the turn.
So we get Higgins to fall all the way back to us.
I think it's a no brainer to to take the upside there.
Agreed. We are about to pick here at the
end of the 12th round. We've seen a ton of running
backs coming off the board here since we last picked Tootin.
Still kind of in this long flat tier at wide receiver.
Marvin Mims comes off the. Board.
What do you guys see in here? I'm seeing Drake Mitt.
I'm looking at oh did. Drake may make it all the way
back. Yeah, this is where we took him.
Last night 12O was it 12 O 8 that we took him?
I'm too busy still I'm. Looking up stuff on Jaden
Higgins and and Xavier. What's his face?
No, I think we take Drake back. Well, the guy on the.
Turn's taking 2 QBs. What were the other options?
So there's a couple. Running backs like there's your.
Algiers. Obviously.
Gorendo's not as interesting. Shipley goes to be like a Keaton
Mitchell or an Algier Keaton Mitchell would be.
I'm going to have a bad. Time if we don't get.
May so I would just say let's take unless.
There's a guy, you guys. Really want here that we're
actually I don't want to push him just because like best
practice, we should push the guy around the like, let's just take
the guy we want so I don't feel sad.
Let's take may I? Mean, I mean, yeah, I was gonna.
Let's take May. I don't want to lose May after
that, but I was going to, I was going to say that I do really
want to get Mitchell onto this team, but I I'm happy to take
Mitchell. Whoever you want, man.
Once we got Drake, man, once we have Drake May on the team.
I'm getting a little itchy. I just, you know, a guy taking.
Two quarterbacks on the 1st 11 rounds doesn't make me feel
great about his decision making. OK, that's a fairpoint.
That is a fair. He could do anything.
Yeah. So he goes the turn.
Goes Tillman and Douglas, so neither of our targets there.
I'm I'm definitely down for for Keaton Mitchell here.
Didn't Sean call him the best running back in football?
Yesterday or he he did. I think he called him like.
Christian, was it Chris Johnson and the best running back in
football. I can't keep up with all the the
platitudes. They're the the superlatives.
Were were called Bashful Toot and Jamaal Charles and I.
Blacked out after that so I I'm not sure what he said about
Keaton Mitchell. Keaton Mitchell actually looked
like Jamaal Charles. I want Keaton Mitchell if he
does kind of look like Chris Johnson.
No, I'm happy with. Mitchell yeah, the.
I went through the preseason stuff right and Keaton
Mitchell's drum beat has been as loud as Jacori Krosky merits,
but people just aren't talking about it as much.
When I went to the when I watched the first preseason
game, he got like 9 carries. He had like a 20 something yard
touchdown run and I think people were like, that's the one I saw
getting circulated and it's not that impressive of a run.
It's kind of it's kind of like Corey Croskin merits run where
like there was I saw some people saying a high school running
back could have scored this, which is like, you know,
whatever. I mean, yeah, it was well
blocked. He outruns the.
Safety, though, give him some credit Come.
On yeah, he does the the run prior.
For Keaton Mitchell, he gets a little bottled up and he jump
steps and it looks like he warped like 4 yards just out.
He's behind like the guard and now he's outside the tackle and
running full speed and he gets a 20 yard run right before the 20
yard TD run. That was way more impressive.
How he sidestepped into space was insane.
Then so earlier than that, his first carry was off the left
side. He just blew through the hole
for like an 8 yard gain and you're like dude, I've never
seen anybody go into the lineman and out of the lineman faster.
It was the IT was insane. Then a little.
While. Later.
There's a defensive, this is all in like 9 carries.
Defensive tackle is coming off a guard, wraps his arm around his
right over his shoulder, right. And it's like his hand on his
chest and you're like Kate Mitchell's a small dude.
He's about to yank him down. He throws off the arm.
Tackle from. AD tackle and turns A1 yard loss
into like a 2 yard gain. It's not amazing, but it was
impressive for a little dude and a little while after this.
He's running like an outside. Carry and the unblocked
defenders right in front of him, he just does a spin move toward
the outside, toward the way he's going and gets to where the play
is designed by evading. The guy doesn't even get a hand
on him. It's an untouched, like it's
still yards before contact evading an unblocked defender in
front of him and he doesn't have to like go back the other way.
He still goes to where the play is designed and gets like a 7
yard carry on that play too. It was insane.
It was like 6 carries that were the best 6 carries I saw.
I watched every game in the pre season.
It was like the best 6 I ever ranked the top 10 carries.
I think I would have 16 Mitchell carries in it.
It was crazy. His pre season we feeling is.
Insane. Go watch it.
You could do. I feel like you.
Could do some YouTube content that would do numbers there.
You just rank the top 10 carries of preseason.
There is the market for that. I would watch that top 10.
Countdown and aside Keith Mitchell.
Mitchell I mean, that would be sick.
That would be so fun. So here's a quick.
Rundown of the team now. Through 13 rounds we got one
quarterback, 5 running backs, 6 wide receivers in a tight end,
Brock Bowers holding it down up top Jonathan Taylor, Ted Arroyo,
McMillan, Devante Adams, RJ Harvey, Jordan Addison, Matthew
Golden, Josh Downs, Bill, Jaden Higgins, Bashel Tooton, Drake
May and Keaton Mitchell In the 13th round.
Here people are looking on a price check on Brian Robinson
post trade. Today he went at 12 five, just
after Trey Benson and before Rashad White.
What was your guys's take on the Brian Robinson trade, What that
means for his value? Obviously we've discussed the
Bill side, but anything on the Niners for you guys?
Well, pissed me off that I had just.
Taken. This has happened to me like 6
times this year. I just took.
Gorendo in my big dog. Slow like 2 hours prior.
I was not envisioning that Grendo was about to get a bomb
dropped on him. It's not good for Gorendo.
That's that's my take on the Niners.
It's bad for Grendo. I think a huge bummer.
Otherwise not a huge deal. And I didn't really move.
I had moved Brian Robinson way down.
I didn't really move him up very far.
I moved him ahead of Grendo. I moved Grendo.
I think it's bad for Robinson for, you know, like.
You goes to the Bears, OK, He goes to the Texans, great.
He goes to the the Cowboys, like all those types of destinations
where he would have a role. I mean, he's just a pure
handcuff now. I don't think it's like a
guarantee that if McCaffrey goes down like Week 11, it's
Robinson. It might be Gorendo.
I wouldn't draft Gorendo anymore.
You know, whatever Grendo you have is enough.
But it might be Gorendo. Could I?
Sell you a $500. You can't make dog share.
You cannot but it. But that team is still alive.
You know, I wouldn't I wouldn't draft the more he drafted him
now, but it's not like he's dead.
Robinson just got traded for a sixth round pick.
Like, you know, he's like. Hey.
Hey, Brian. We're we're actually not going
to bother having you on the team.
We're sending you San Francisco for 1/6 round pick.
That dude's not guaranteed anything.
Yeah, I agree. I think it's a.
Great point. I think it's really bad for
Jordan James. If you were, if you had dynasty
or anything like no, no, there's your next Kyle Shanahan, you
know, drafted running back that does nothing because that's
that's a remember that guy where the answer is.
I don't remember that guy. That's a very non.
Memorable name Tyrion Davis Price.
I can remember, and I don't remember that guy.
Yeah. I was going.
To float Ollie Gordon if he came.
Back around he has risen quite a bit.
He would have been the other one.
Honestly, I think that should have gone right around Keaton
Mitchell and and I think Algier was in that discussion too, but
that was the last of a tear for me, those three.
Ollie Gordon. Looks like.
He's in a good spot. Yeah, everything's broke.
Right for. Him.
Yeah, it has. Yeah, there's still some.
Interesting running backs you start to.
See some of the rookies come off.
Woody Marks comes off as we start the 14th.
Round Rashad Bateman. Was kicking around there for a
while. He goes the tight ends for
people here trying to keep track.
You know, in the 11th round we saw Goddard, Henry Kincaid. 12th
round was strange Ertz Chig and Janu, and then likely at the
start of the 14th, so starting to get into this bottom tier of
tight ends. We got, let's see, 141516178.
So we have 7 more picks, two of them obviously kicker in
defense. So five more skill position
players here to land the plane. It's going really well.
I. Mean it is.
You guys need to be right on Matthew Golden.
I'm gonna hold Pat to that one. We got Dante Adams.
Is the other one that I'm like, I mean, please just be right,
but the rest of the team is like, if those things are right,
this team is really. Good.
It's a nice mix. Of of big reaches and value
scoops. Slurps, yeah.
Dipperino slurps. Yeah, that's right.
Yeah. The the the atoms.
Getting those like the atoms type pick and the JT pick to
give you that foundation when you, you know, RIP a ton of
rookies is is comforting. I guess it's sort of like we're
the blind seals. Right, We got to go get the
bread crumbs, stare in the sun. But then, you know, you got to,
you got to rest and recover. You go slurp some dipperino and
you get back out there and slap it up.
Yeah. I don't see, you know, we're at
the point here where the ADP is just like, yeah, it doesn't mean
completely irrelevant. Yeah.
So it's it's going out and getting our targets now.
I like what Mac Nova said. Here, if the players are good,
this team should be very good. It's, you know, put it that way.
Does make a lot of sense, yeah. Hollywood Brown, Roshan Johnson,
JJ McCarthy. We also have seen our first
kicker in defense off the board. You're not allowed to accuse
anyone of reaching for players once kickers and defenses come
off the board. That's kind of the rule here.
Brandon Aubrey and Denver defense in the the 13th round.
Oh, I just realized we're in. So this, this comment just said
Jayden Higgins to the moon. Texans passed so much.
That's another thing I didn't say, but I do think.
What we have to realize is they don't have.
Running backs so this whole thing about is he going to play
in 2 receiver sets or anything like I mean he's.
Probably their second best offensive.
Player or third best they don't have running backs so we're.
On the clock. Like the one running back like
still, that just seems to me like such a clean bet would be
Giddens with all these these, but we'd be hand cooking here.
Oh fuck, we have Taylor. Thank you I.
Completely. Forgot about the Taylor.
So we only have. We only have 6 receivers.
Yeah, we could do. Kyle Williams.
Right, he's still. That's who I was going to float.
Yeah, I think he makes a lot of sense on this team with the
Drake, Drake Maystack. Yeah, he does.
And he's the highest on my rankings, but I don't even want
to take him. What I want to take is Jalen
Coker right now. I don't want to make Bad Tech
Chile. Cocker.
No, I like Coker. I mean, I was.
Down on Coker when I then there's like buzz that he might
have liked the team. I'm in on Coker now.
I think Williams makes more sense for the team with the May
stack but well the other one was to roll the clip.
We could roll the clip and then. And then see what happens on the
turn. Yeah, All right.
I don't know if I'm going to be able to get this.
In in time because I did not have him in the queue all.
Right, sorry, I. Got I had.
Kyle Williams in the queue. So that's just maybe we'll get
it coming back. Yeah, yeah.
And I put a couple other. Wide receivers that.
I'm definitely interested in as well, but we had Kyle Williams
here. Obviously makes sense on a Drake
May team getting a pretty nice discount on him.
I feel like it's been like kind of quiet from him at camp.
I guess what Jalen Polk just got placed on IR.
Not that that was going to affect things, but I just
haven't heard a lot of Kyle Williams.
Yeah, he's been, I think. There's been.
Some ups and downs. I listened to Ollie Connolly
breaking down the the tape on some of these rookies from
preseason and his take was basically like, he's still kind
of doing like too much. Like you'd want to talk about,
OK, let's make our pick, I'll talk about him.
We want a bunk. Wing Duckett.
Or do you want to Coker? There's trouble you.
Call deep, right? I don't have a.
Coker, he's duck footed. He looks really weird when.
He runs if it walks like a duck. Wasn't his run like?
Compared to like a duck toad good, duck footed bad.
There's. Trouble you call DW.
Duck. Maybe it's.
He's losing like a round of draft.
Capital, because of the direction of this beat point,
I'm taking the duck footed discount.
Would he be better if he wasn't Duck?
Footed probably, but like he just was happening offense.
I'm pretty sure. He can fucking move.
You're right. The.
Running. Style is crazy, like Russell
Wilson. It's not good.
I love. The way rotopad.
Says it's like Russell. Wilson it's not good and his
tone of voice is so funny. I love that the clip is sort.
Of it's like only. 60% positive. It's it's like kind of half.
Oh no, he runs. Weird.
Well. That's it is funny like.
Dangerous. Did I sing that part?
Where in the song they go, let's get dangerous.
Like you need that in the clip too dangerous.
I mean that we could. There you go, there you go.
It's the first clip we've ever had.
It's not just like pure hype. There's like so much skepticism.
In fact, this guy can't even walk correctly.
He's not worried. We are.
Yeah, you can. Tell the clips have not been.
Working out. Yeah, like this clip?
Is done. Amazing.
I also like. Just just rotopat.
In there, just being negative about everything is always so
funny. I was going to say.
On Williams, the Connelly's breakdown with the I just took a
second defense to the it's that it's a timing based offense that
Williams is still kind of doing like too much.
He needs to kind of clean some stuff up, be where he needs to
be on time more. But like he's like clearly more
talented than the guys ahead of himself.
Pretty. You.
Know hopefully we get a little more like I would love if he has
like 30% of the routes in week 1 and we get some eyes on him and
then you know, he gets up to 50% by like week 3 or 4.
That's how he that's how he stays on our roster.
Where were you with him? With his profile, because I
looked at it like his routes and his like per route stuff,
especially that Year 4 season after he'd come over to Wazoo
and he's playing with Cam Ward and it's like his worst season.
He's like not able to play well. And then the year after Campbell
leaves, he has a strong fifth season.
And he had some earlier production when he was at
wherever, Nevada or whatever, UNLV.
But like, where are you at? The the profile's not that
strong. It's not that strong.
It's. Mostly bet.
On, you know, he gets the third round draft capital in a
situation where he can get, you know, second round opportunity
basically. But he is like a, he's like a
route. The, the thing he does really
well, the reason people like him, if they like him is because
because of route running, he gets open, he gets separation.
And so that's to me exciting. Like, that's probably the thing.
I've changed the. Most on as far as wide receiver
evaluation over the years, like they going back to like where
I'd be in 2011 versus where I am now.
It's like guys who can get open and draw targets consistently
has so much more ceiling than I would have told you back then.
And so I think that makes him a really exciting prospect in some
ways. Like, you know, like lad
Mcconkey last year was kind of boom bust.
It's like can he get he's undersized?
Can he get open and draw targets consistently?
Because again, if he has a really high ceiling in the
situation, but you know, is he good enough?
Kyle Williams is like a lower tier version of that type of bet
I would say. Yeah, yeah.
And I do just like the. The correlation with May I, I
do, I mean, May has a floor for sure with his, his rushing
upside. But if he hits that Uber ceiling
like it's, it's got, I mean digs of course, but I think Kyle
Williams is really the one that that takes him being a hit.
Like that's where you get those super high in May outcomes.
Yeah, Yeah, I think you're right.
Unless. Treyvion.
'S just like that's true. Just wheel route.
Like 40 yard wheel routes every game, 1000 yard receiver.
Yeah, which I mean at this. Point.
So yeah, after we get our duck footed King here, the running
backs continue to come off the board.
Kendra went right before Fannin Bershard, Smith, DJ Giddens.
We get a couple more defenses here.
Kyle Minungai goes, Chris Rodriguez goes, Sean Tucker
goes, Jatavian Sanders is well someone asking, is Judkin still
on the board? He's gone.
He went. He's way early.
Yeah, for Dylan Sampson, which is weird.
Yeah, yeah. Judkins is gone.
Yeah. So we have, yeah, we have four
more picks or five more. Picks.
Three more skilled position players here we.
Got one quarterback one. Of really good.
I have a pick that I really want to make.
On this team. I mean, yeah.
I definitely. Like the wide receiver?
Flyers the most of everything right now.
That's right, me too. I.
I think you were right about Giddens that.
Giddens was kind of the last guy that really jumps out to me is,
you know, clear cut contingent. Value and.
I guess some other good guys you could talk yourself into, but
it's just not that much left. I don't.
I'm not quite. As in on.
Well, I'm not out on the guys. That.
Pete, you said I have, I have them ranked here.
But Mark, there's so many good wide receivers.
Yeah, it's the wide. Receivers, yeah, This is why you
just have to go get. The the running backs because I
mean. There has been.
Like you look at so after the round where we took Higgins and
Slot Demon and Godwin went, you had like Keenan Allen and Iuke
in round 11 and now we're getting like Dante Thornton.
We had like Bateman go like 3 to 4 rounds later.
Like it there's just like you look on underdog, right, Like
Rashad Bateman and Keenan Allen, like Bateman goes ahead of
Keenan Allen on underdog. And I get the half point thing,
but you see like a four point gap here or a four round gap.
It just shows how how long that tier is once it breaks wide
receiver and you know, it feels like a little.
Weird coming from best ball to take like a Keaton Mitchell in
the 13th or whatever. But like that's that's last call
for these running back bets. And you take Cedric Tillman
there, the guy at the turn, like what's the difference between
him and, you know, a million other guys that we're going to
take now? So I think the yeah, you got to
you got to get the running backs before they go.
Yep. More defenses coming off
Houston. Darren Waller.
I have not heard an update on Waller recently.
Is he is he healthy? I don't know what.
Yeah. He just dropped a single today
so. I'll never.
Forget us rushing to the. Podium in our I know in the like
last. Round of our first slow.
Draft when he immediately signed with the dolphins, which I I
think was the play at the tie, but man it has been pretty quiet
on that sorry Ben ghost no that's.
OK, I'm not. That worried about getting him
because there's some good so there.
Is 1. There's one running back that
shouldn't still be here in. My opinion which is Taj.
Brooks, I had him in. In in the queue.
Too, I had him in the two Denver wide receivers along with Coker.
Taj Brooks has been going in the 14th.
Round and I. I kind of really like.
The play like Semaj Pierine's not going to be a three down
back if Chase Brown goes down. He may even just play some on
passing downs. They really seem to like him.
The only thing I would say is that if we.
Were to take a Denver receiver we get information on what's
going on there quickly where I think Brooks is is someone we
churn back like unless we're going to hold him all year as a
contingent bet but. Yeah, we still also have what?
2 1/2 weeks until the season I guess.
I mean, that's that's true, but I.
Gretchen, if you like Brooks. I mean, I, I, no, we can take
Franklin. It would be Franklin.
Or Bryant. It would be Frank.
You're Franklin. OK?
I'm hard Franklin. You're hard Franklin.
I I got. Franklin I I.
Think Bryant? Bryant looked.
Really. Interesting.
But I think he was playing in like the Sutton role in the
second. I, I don't know, I, I'm not, I'm
not that hard of Franklin, but I was trying to help Pete out
because we are really low. I'm I, I have Franklin ahead of
Bryant. I am too.
Yeah, I. Just I think I don't know what's
going on there and I would like, but I think there could be some
opportunity and I yeah, Bryant's probably the one that.
Gets more routes, but I just I feel like he's more like the
backup X receiver to Sutton somewhat.
I feel like Vailey's trade opened up the slot routes for
Ingram. Franklin's probably rotating
with Mims still. I mean, the whole thing is still
going to be a rotation, but I'll also say too like.
Like you, Gretch said, this is last call for running back.
There's still going to be some interesting wide receiver darts.
That's right, there's a lot of interesting.
Receiver darts. That's why I was, I was kind of
thinking we could go Brooks, Jarques, Hunter.
Do you guys like Hunter? Brooks or Hunter?
I I would be fine with. Either of those, I think they're
similar. Yeah.
It's hard. You choose, Seagull is telling
me. A bunch of.
Stuff about Hunter? A day that's and Hunter's fun.
Like we could get. He's a guy you could get early
information. On right where, like Hodge,
Brooks isn't going to have a weak one role, but Jark was
Yeah, take Hunter. Yeah.
Seagull. Was making.
A case that, like Hunter, may actually play a lot more than
people realize. So we're.
Doing Hunter Hunter's per touched up.
Is pretty pretty damn good. So this team is pretty.
Light on. Backs like we do have Taylor
Harvey, but if Krosky Merritt is in a little bit of a rotation,
Tootin Mitchell are like backups.
But we'll be right. But hunter Hunter I think is
more likely. At least I I think to kind of be
someone that we're like spot starting in Week 2 and we
realize we you know, right, right, right.
I think Hunter was a better. Pick for that than Brooks Yeah
but I think we. Maybe could have taken them?
Both instead of Franklin, but I don't mind.
The Franklin Pack I I really don't.
Yeah, I'm just I'm. Not like I'm.
Too sceptical probably that that's the offense is going to
be really good. We talked about it.
Really good. Yeah, yeah.
I've been like that. Has been.
Just like every slow draft, I've just been Franklin, Franklin,
Franklin, Franklin. Yeah, me too, man.
Because he hasn't been. Drafted in those tournaments
either. So yeah, that's part of the
appeal. Yeah, right.
Like when the. Sidekick starts.
Suggesting Dante Thornton. That's when I'm like, all right,
That's when you start taking friends.
Check on that's when I take Coker or anyone other than
Dante. Thornton.
Yeah, and then Coker. Coker.
'S so fun in like the Eliminator too, because you get the week 14
by, you know, you get the Super late by.
Yeah, it was just, it was just nice.
I got. Quentin Johnston being.
Recommended. Now let's see if I can take
Franklin. That's one.
Yeah, the one thing the most. Bullying I've had to do on the
sidekick. This, it, it wants me to take
Tua just every. Too much Tua every.
Time I do it sometimes the the 175.
Tua sitting at the top. I'm like I do it.
This does seem I have a conversation with the sidekick.
Where I'm like if it's. After 150 let's talk cuz I gave.
It just kill. It's got to be.
It's got to be late enough. Yeah, that's it all.
Right here's the squad here with. 32 starts looking You know
how like 2. Start looking like eights later
than the parking about to. Close.
Not late enough? Give me another hour, yes?
Exactly. I call this an old John Mulaney
Nick Kroll sketch because there's too much to not tuna
Brock Bowers, Jonathan Taylor, teddy Roy McMillan, devante
Adams, RJ Harvey, Jordan Addison, Matthew golden, Josh
Downs, bill Jaden Higgins, bashel tooton, Drake may keep
Mitchell, Kyle Williams, Harold roll the clip fan and Troy
Franklin and jar quiz hunter here.
Drafted a main event team with Ben Gretch.
Gretch, what do we need to do with?
With this. Last non kicker DST pick like we
we got the it's not tight end. We could take a second QB.
I put a QB in the in the chat. You would put a wide receiver
you like both those guys? Oh, that's right, we only get
one of. Those crap, I was hoping we'd
get them. I'm not, I mean.
We don't have to. Get the.
The QB 2. But I I definitely like him just
considering how this team shook out so the the.
I'll try to pitch you guys on the receiver.
I don't really care if someone takes them.
If they take them and they take them, it's, it's well.
Should I not say? It, I don't know it's it's your.
It's your call, take a peek and I think the idea.
Of a take. A peek would be we have McMillan
and Adams and Addison is our wide receiver 3 and he's
suspended. We have Taylor and Harvey, so
we're starting. Golden.
And Downs as it starts at Flex, JCM and Higgins and Tootin are
then the next players. I don't think we can start any
of them. Maybe we could start Bill week
1. We're kind of in a situation
where we're our week 1 lineup is a little bit weak.
And so I do actually like a good take a peek for this particular
team. If you had 15 plus points, I
think we would slot him in right away over 1 of golden or downs
and just you know, I'd like to see golden for a week probably.
Although I think you can start golden like Jayden Reid's got a
foot thing like he he might just be the stud right away.
But and Royals. Goes there at the turn he does.
Yeah. Other one, yeah.
Yeah, Roy. Yeah, Pat Bryant goes.
Torrey, Horton, Royals, I think all of those guys in the
conversation for these these flyer picks here.
Yeah, I'm, I'm down with the quarterback too.
Yeah, he's a good pick. Gretch, do you?
Do you? Got kicker and defensive ranks
ready to go. How much scrambling do we need
to do here? I've done enough.
Of these that I have a couple. Targets, that's it.
So hopefully we get them. Yeah, I I haven't, honestly.
This is the Co manager. Thing where?
I have not once thought about a kicker or defense in these
drafts. So it gets there goes my, there
goes my pre my. Prime yeah, Defense.
I know. Arizona.
Yeah, I know. That was a good one.
How did Silva still doesn't know that we.
When Silva left early, he told us he didn't know.
He knew the draft was the other night, but then the day came
around and he said he was too busy.
And so he only did. Like 15 rounds with us or
something. And then he had to go to get his
art done. And so when he left, the only
thing he said was he's like, hey, last thing I'm going to
say. Though before I.
Go Cardinals defense round 17 and me and Leonie started
talking about her like we're not taking him in round 17.
We'll take him in round 18 on the turn.
We were like one O 8. So we're like, we'll bring we'll
take him out and when they come back around and round 18,
they're going in the early 19th, like screw this.
So round 17 we took actually the guy that I put in the chat and
then in round and then he goes to the turn the. 17 And we were
like, Oh no. He starts going Oh no, Oh no,
we're dead. Oh no.
Very funny. Well, So what?
What? Defense, did you?
End up taking. The only said that the Rams.
Defense has a really good D line and a good Week 1 match up.
So we took the Rams. The other one that never goes
because our defense is bad is the Bengals.
But they play Joe Flacco weak one and they're I mean, they're
bad. They are bad, but yeah.
Rams. Rams home Texans is like good
for a. Couple throws to to nowhere, you
know, I mean, he's going to he's going to Chuck it.
He's not going to take a bunch of sacks.
He's just going to throw it around.
There could be some pick sixes there so.
We are on the clock and it's a tough, I mean.
Your QB. Makes it all the way back.
He's a really good pick. I think he goes undrafted.
The the take a peek is Keandre Lambert.
Smith, he played with Herbert ahead of Harris.
He caught a flag route from Herbert.
Couple plays later, he got an end zone shot from Herbert.
I know Quentin Johnson got a concussion in there.
I do like, I feel confident. Keandre Lambert.
Smith's going to run routes in the opener and he's going to get
air yards and he's a perfect type of take a peek where he
could catch a couple of long balls and they're going to throw
him shots. He's been really big.
All through camp. I think he's a really like the
way that this team is at receiver.
That said, I mean, if you guys really like just lock up the KB,
I'm totally fine with that too. Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to take Rams. Defense 1st and then let's keep
talking about this. How about that?
Yeah, that's good. That sounds good.
Yeah, I probably Eileen Bryce Young where we I don't think.
Are very likely. To use Keandre Lambert.
Smith. In the, you know, in the take a
peek, obviously the point of the take a peek is you get to find
out and then use the points if you want.
But we're strong enough at receiver that I, I, I kind of.
Doubt that we'll use. It so I'd I'd probably rather
just take Bryce Young stacked up with with Tedoro Millen and that
could end up being like a a really nice Sprint stack for us.
But I think both are good picks. I think it'd be fun to get get
young. Here, just like with the most
likely scenario being we cut young and are like putting a bid
in on on a QB 2 anyways, you know like week 1 or Week 2
waivers. Well, that's what I was thinking
about the Lambert Smith. Thing.
Is if young doesn't go you're. Cutting Lambert Smith after the.
Thursday nighter anyway, and then you're picking up young
before Week 1. Yeah, let's see so.
Quarterbacks left Young is the top quarterback by ADP and then.
Ward is next. I don't know is is young going
undrafted? ADP of 1. 98 over the past week.
Yeah, he's been going. On the 17th round.
Actually, we we can take young. That's fine.
I've got I've got enough take a peek shots with Lambert Smith.
I I do find the the point. Let's take young I'm I'm
definitely an onion. OK, I do find the point Pat
about the wide receivers that were strong enough at receiver
like weirdly reassuring because I don't think we are.
We have McMillan and Adams. And we're hoping Stafford plays
Week 1, we're playing Adams with Garoppolo, Addison is the three
and he's suspended Week 1. And then we have Golden and Josh
Downs. I kind of would love it's to set
him as well because he hasn't been practicing.
Supposed to be ready week 1. And we don't really have.
Another flex. Because we're not.
I mean, unless we play Bill at flex, which we could do.
I mean, we'll probably just play Fannin.
Just start fannin. Week 1 is that with the starter?
No, I mean it's. I agree that it's that last
decision is a little tricky. I think it's definitely downs if
he's healthy and then otherwise, yeah, it's probably like Bill or
even. Yeah, I guess I'm maybe more
comfortable with downs. I I think we'll have downs like
downs. Seems like it'll be.
I got a question then though. Is there a?
Waiver run. Before yeah, there is Thursday
night. Can we cut the?
Kicker before Thursday night for Keandre Lambert.
Smith if he goes. Undrafted and then recut Keandre
Lambert Smith for a kicker. I'm pretty sure you always have
to. Have the full line up.
You always have to have a kicker on the roster.
I don't. Think you're allowed to ever?
Not have a kicker in defense. So we add Bryce Young.
As our QB two in the 19th round definitely can get some really
nice prices on some of these QB twos.
Like if you're coming over from playing basketball, you get
Pennex here in the 17th, Jordan Love in the 18th, and we get
Bryce wait in the. So Henry says you always have to
have a. Full line up, Alex P Keaton
says. You don't have to have a kicker.
I would. I know that you don't.
Have to have a full. Lineup because like Sean, when
he gets mad at our team, he'll take the players out of the
lineup. No, no, I mean.
On the roster? No.
He beats on the roster on the.
Roster, I'm sure, but. I'm just saying like you can.
You can physically take like, oh, you can have no one in the.
You can bench on the. Line, you can bench, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, sometimes. People do that, you just go and
they. They don't want to show you who
they're going to play, so there's there's something.
I love this heated. Discussion.
Then there's just a random shot punt kicker lol funny thing to
say. Nice little double entendre.
There, yeah, but you reconvinced me that maybe we're.
Not strong enough for wide receiver, but we're obviously I
think if we need to be now. Yeah, if DeAndre and Lambert.
Smith. Had a like a 15 point game, I
think we would start it, which I think he can do if he has like a
long touch now, you know like he could have a 2 catch game and
have two for 60 and a TD is like you know, 14 points, right.
Yeah, that, that is like going. Back you know, that's the kind
of decision that the Downs. Not if Downs isn't healthy for.
Week 1 that sucks because then you look back and say like
between Addison golden downs, you want to flip one of those to
a lava basically right? But that's right, if you get
downs if. You get downs healthy then you
you feel fine about it. And I think that when you take
Golden over a. Lava, you're just saying you're
you're just committing to the yeah.
He's the number one on an offense that.
Can actually score points is what you're saying.
We took Addison. Early.
This is what happens when you take Addison early.
I I want what I did just realize.
Though guys, we're worried about our Week 1 lineup.
What if I told you we have Week 1 correlation between Drake May
and Brock Bowers just going back and forth week?
1. At.
Foxboro. There you go.
Couldn't, couldn't be happier. That's a fun week.
One match up for the Patriots. Like they did also a good start
there. It's it's so funny you say that
cuz. This morning or?
Just like before the draft, Lauren and I and April were
walking to get our mail and we get like, you know, one of those
like magnets that they send you from some real estate with the
Patriots schedule on it. And we were looking at the the
schedule and Lauren was looking at it too.
And I was just like, man, the start for the Patriots is really
nice because you get the Raiders, they are on the road in
Miami, which they've never historically played well there
when it's hot early on in the season.
But then home versus the Steelers, who are going to be
bad, home versus the Panthers, like those are pretty nice
start. And their overall schedule is
like pretty light. Like it's like it's very easy.
Yeah, in. Ravens and otherwise, it looks.
Really good. Well, have you seen like the the
Warren? Sharp.
Graphic is like, it's like 49ers are like up at the very easiest
possible part of the chart and then it's a pretty steep
decline, but Patriots are next. And then it's like they're
paired with somebody. And then there's like everybody
else in the league, like the Patriots have a very easy
schedule. Yep.
Hang. On Let's Get in the Mood.
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Let's get some fucking kickers. Siren is is demented I also.
There's there's a Justin. Tucker Pick in there.
And then it also made me realize we're never doing the Ave.
Maria because we talked about that last.
Night where? Even our our kicking or our clip
mushes extend to the Oh my God, yeah.
The only we used to frequently. Talk about the only clip that
didn't kill somebody was it was Justin Tucker.
Yeah, if anything it was. The.
Worst one of all, it was the worst of all, we didn't.
Know it yet? It.
Just wasn't public. Knowledge yet?
So we're on the clock. Casey sent in a.
Dollar 99 super chat for us to take the Ravens kicker Tyler
Loop. Can you come up with an idea
better than that? No, I don't have it.
Was going to be Jake. Elliott but also so Henry was
saying we can't cut our kicker, but then he went into the saying
that we have to draft the kicker, which we knew we had to
draft 1. I think whoever we take, we
should cut. So if we want the Ravens kicker,
we should re add. I'm going to make the case that
we should cut him before Thursday night and then re add
on Sunday morning. I'm.
I'm not. OK.
So just take, not the. Kicker that we want actually
take a little bit of a worse kicker someone's cool there in
case I don't well then talking about Minnesota we'll.
Take. We'll take Will Riker.
Yeah, Riker's a good one. Take care.
There you. Go beautiful.
Yeah, people. Yeah, it's always a.
Race to the volume before the red.
X Here's the thing, you know, now we have real professionals
who make these clips. Like actually trained video
editors. This was me on a MacBook.
Just like hacking things together.
No sound mixing. Fucking worst editing you've
ever seen. Well, jokes on our editors
because. That's the best clip we have.
It's incredible. It's.
So good. Kazy.
Kazy, you know. We didn't draft your guy so that
we can add him later. Yeah, yeah.
Oh. Yeah, I'm making stuff, so we're
cutting the. Other guy, we want to cut the
kicker we drafted for Ben's look ahead, yes, who are then going
to cut because he's not going to add points and then we're going
to take the kicker, correct? Or if he does have points, we'll
cut some off and then he has points and we have to cut.
Like, I don't know, Jack was Hunter.
It's going to suck if he has points.
Yeah, it's going to suck if he has points.
I didn't think this far ahead. Whatever different works.
Oh my goodness. All right, let.
Me let me get this back up here let's get a let's get a final
recap. I want to get Gretch's full
thoughts on this team. FFPC main event.
People do forget it's tight end premium.
We drafted 2 quarterbacks, 6 running backs, 8 wide receivers,
2 tight end, kicker and defense. Let's go to the team view here
so we can see how this looks. Drake May at quarterback.
Jonathan Taylor, RJ Harvey, Devante Adams, Ted Arroyo.
McMillan. Brock Bowers.
Matthew Golden. We're going to have to get
Jordan Addison out of the starting lineup.
He is suspended. Bryce Young, Basil Tooton, Bill
Keaton. Mitchell Jarquez Hunter, Josh
Downs. Get healthy Brother.
Jaden Higgins, Kyle Williams. Troy Franklin.
Harold Fannin this is a ship chasing ass team.
I had a blast. Draft it sure is.
This team fucks. That's that's what it does,
Yeah. I enjoy this team.
Quite a bit. It's gonna, we're gonna have to
scramble a little bit in the early season, but like, isn't
that half the fun of doing an FPZ main event?
You scramble a little in the early weeks and then it all
comes together. What what we have here is we've
got running back production out of the gate.
Maybe not everyone will be super comfortable with RJ Harvey's the
RV 2IN Week 1, but I am I'm excited about that.
And then we have, you know, we've got some receiver stuff to
figure out, but we have Jordan Addison coming back and he's
going to be a huge boost. I think 10 or Oak Mill and it's
going to be productive right away.
And I think Golden might be as well.
So it's one of those things where we're taking a little leap
of faith, but I think we'll be rewarded.
What do you think, Gretch? I love it.
I think this team's fantastic. I like a lot of the upside
pieces that we were able to jam into the build.
I do think, I mean, it's nice now looking back that we have
Taylor and Adams, like you said, you need those pieces.
I mean, if I'm not like you guys know, I was a little bit
indecisive on golden, but I ultimately you get, you have me
decided I'm the one who decided it.
I, I think, I don't think I would take a lava over Golden
here, but I, I'm thinking about it from the perspective that if
a lava was there instead of golden, I think I would feel
better, which is, you know what I mean, kind of
counterintuitive. Downs is healthy and he's going
to go in there for Addison. The week 1 lineup is going to be
fine. We don't need to take a peek.
If that doesn't work out, if he doesn't play for any reason, I
think Bill is then the next guy that could come in and I think
that's fine. You could start Bill in week 1
if you needed to. And then I mean, so you have him
on here, you have Tooting on here, you have Higgins on here,
keep Mitchell. Shawn keeps talking about jerk
was Hunter. I'm not as sold on it, but we
get him after like everyone else is gone.
Isaac Gorenda went the round prior and we talked a little bit
about Taj Brooks, but every other like meaningful rookie bet
was gone as you guys were talking about like that window
kind of closed. Harold Fannon.
On this team. I mean, there's a lot of guys
that you really like giving Drake Mays, our quarterback on
this team is really funny. That's fun.
The best quarterback bet? When?
You, you know, push. QB a little bit.
It's got all the pieces, like it's a Bowers team, it's a May
team, you know the stuff. Look.
Like Taylor? There's a world to be right.
This is a fun team. There's a world where there's a
guy at the one. Hole with three quarterbacks and
I'm having a bad night, so I appreciate you guys, not Keith
Mitchell anyway. Who had six of the top ten?
No, no. Didn't we take Drake May before?
We gave him a chance to take 3 quarterbacks.
We didn't. We did.
No, I'm saying there's a there's.
Another world if we don't do that, where he just takes Drake
May and I'm thinking about that for a while.
So I loved that when I was like, he's got.
Two Q BS and you're like I'm still worried if.
We don't get Drake May I'm. Going to have a bad time.
Pat's very. Lucky that there was like.
Literally no. There was no one compelling.
Me to click. Over Drake may Well that's
that's partly why I would have. Had a bad night is because like
I'm like what did we gain like we we.
End up taking. A guy that would have been there
for sure. Couple things here.
Appreciate these. Comments in the chat.
Michelle is a trio. Great heaven.
Gretch back. Agreed.
We're going to get Gretch back on Tuesday as well to draft with
Leonie. That's always one of the
highlights of the year. Leonie gets us off our bullshit.
Alpha plays only good stuff there and Samuel love that This
is on my b-day. Bang Bang.
Happy birthday Samuel here today.
Gretch, you mentioned you got main events firing over there
with Sean on stealing bananas. Obviously stealing signals posts
around the clock these days in the lead up to the season.
Got to get subscribed there. What else should people keep an
eye out for? Yeah, the signal stuff.
It was tears week. I wrote up all the different
positional. Strategies.
Basically and how to approach the different tiers within those
positions. I haven't published the running
back one yet. I'm going to publish it tonight.
All the other three are already out there.
There's full, you know, rankings and a bunch of strategy stuff at
the newsletter. And then, yeah, stealing pianos
with Seagull, bunch of drafts, that kind of stuff going on.
That's it. I mean, that's all I'm really
doing these days. I'm missing you guys.
That's the other. That's what I do with the rest
of my time. It's just fun, man.
I sit like that Wolverine meme, you know?
Picture of the three. Of us.
I just. I just stare at it.
I'm excited. So what's going to happen is.
This team's going to win the main event and then I'm going to
take my portion and buy my family a new dad and then come
back to shit I. Buy your family a dad.
Oh my God that is. That sounds like some disgusting
Black Mirror episode. Guy buys his family a.
New dad. So he can draft more Pat,
Anything else you'd like to mention before we log off for
the weekend? Matt Irby's gonna have an
article. Out on the site pretty soon.
Recommend checking that out. I've had a free article out this
morning that looked at DraftKings discounts with the
queue tag. Now Travis Hunter goes in like
the late 6th round now because he's got AQ tag on because of an
upper body injury that people are like, see, this proves you
can't play two ways in the NFL. It's like this is there's never
been more free money in the whole world.
So so he's he's the cover boy, but there's a few other guys and
legendary running back article. I'm I'm in the lab on that.
I'm having a ton of fun. I've really I'm excited for
people to check that out. I I have a Mike McDaniel quote
in there. I ran it by coach Big index.
He told me I fucking nailed it. So there's a there's some good.
Is it the one where he says we? Are all inching toward death.
No, no, it's, it's in the future.
And it's after after a nice play by Devana Chan.
And he tells reporters after the game something.
So we need to make sure that was all dialed in.
But we're we're yeah. That that Oracle.
I'm I'm going to get it out hopefully this weekend, maybe
Monday. But yeah, as soon as it's done.
But that's, that's the thing I'm putting all my time into right
now. Beautiful.
I love before Pete before. You run your stuff down.
I love. This comedy just wrote Week 14's
The League playoff final, and I don't think there was like a
conversation about that. I'm trying to figure out why he
was saying that one might have. I was like, maybe.
Oh, we have McMillan. No, both of our quarterbacks
have Week 14 buys. So we do hold Bryce Yoga Direct
Bay all year. We're gonna need to pick up a
third. This is what I say whenever.
Anyone brings up week 14, we are gonna have a buy and actually
no, we will need them in week 14.
You're gonna need to be 13. Let me see.
What's my in zone here? The team is so good that we have
a buy that we can win without a quarterback in Week 14.
This is the beauty about not having.
High. Investment, though, in
quarterbacks, easy come easy go on the waivers there, all right,
Yeah, For me, I'm doing a stream on Sunday night that's going to
be available to everyone. It's after dark going to do a
guillotine league. So the three of us did a
guillotine league down in Miami for a ship chasing meet up.
Had a ton of fun with that. Going to host another one of
those over on my channel. And like I said, back for a high
stakes draft on Tuesday. The ADP chasing crew will be
back for a normal episode Tuesday morning.
So you get a double header on Tuesday, ADP chasing high stakes
draft in the evening and then our Thursday night finale and
then also getting in the works. We'll announce, I think the
plan, my guy. Zach's going to make a little
video for us, but we'll announce next Thursday our plans for the
ship cast in season. So the ship cast is coming back.
Slight little twist. We'll have that announced on the
crack Rock episode. I think that's it for
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