Hello everyone and welcome to a special week 7 edition of In
Season 80P Chasing. In week six we saw the debut of
Drake, May, Kamani Vidal. Russell Wilson's calf had
another set back. Tons of interesting things to
talk about. Let's get into it.
ADP chasing is for when you watch ship chasing you go these
guys are just football guys. And the targets for outrun
leagues, that's going to be really nice, actually.
Back in if it's Austinette. It's tear into our crystal ball.
close your eyes. You know all your entries are
going to lose anyway. Yeah, that's fair.
This is a Dusvan show. It's.
Anti cabal. It's anti the best ball thought
leader. I'm obviously lying to some
degree because like, I have a lot of both of these guys.
It's the most disgusting thing you can make.
But man. Hey everyone, welcome to week
seven in season 80P chasing. We're still here, victory
lapping, coping bag defending. We got to start the show with
the debut of Drake May in New England.
Pat, I know that people want to hear your reaction to that.
How did you feel watching him this past?
And this can just double as my my victory lap.
Frankly, he looked great. Like he looks fun.
He had mistakes, right? He threw a bad interception.
It was like an Anthony Richardson, Trevor Lawrence.
See. Like what was that supposed to
go? Type of interception in a clean
pocket. Incredible that Trevor Lawrence
is getting included in that group.
I mean, should he not? Because to me, he's also the
prototype. Yeah.
And so that was, like, very much on him.
He finally got good protection through a pick.
He had another pick that was bad.
It was a good defensive play, but you know, maybe he should
have walked to the pass more. But to me that that was a good
defensive play on the bat and then an incredible defensive
play to get the interception. Don't care about that.
Took some sacks, had a strip sack.
Probably need to to speed up the clock a little bit given the
offensive line he's playing behind.
But also like he scrambled. He has a really good feel for
one to scramble. He had that incredible pass, the
40 yard touchdown pass to bootay.
Obviously, dude. That Pharrell.
Yeah, but but also stuff where he's just like in rhythm, thrown
over the middle to guys like in stride and then they're they're
like running after the catch, allowing guys to get yards after
the catch. Is is like this the offense had
life in it. As I said before the game, I I
was just like, I just want to see him breathe some life into
this offense, make mistakes and then do fun stuff.
And so it's exactly what I was hoping we would get.
Now, obviously I'm going to be excited for more when he faces
the Jaguars to just a terrible defense, but this was the number
one defense on impression rate that he was going up against.
So can I, can I voice my concern?
I mean, obviously that felt great.
I mean, to know if I, if you would have told me, you know,
six months ago that on the Mahomes by I was going to get
what, 23 underdog points from Drake May like my 18% or
whatever would have been more like 35% probably.
Like just the fact that I didn't know if he was going to be
starting in week 6 was like the biggest limiting factor of me
taking more of him. The concern I would have is that
sometimes they're not going to be down 30 in these games.
And the concern I would have would be they didn't really open
anything up until the second-half.
They they didn't really start calling like.
It was the IT was the final play of the first half.
It was the two-minute drill stuff, Yeah.
And you know, these games, these divisional games against The
Jets, these divisional games against the Bills, against the
Dolphins, like these are going to be rock fights.
So there are definitely going to be some weeks where he throws 21
passes. Yeah, like that.
But that is that obviously is a very minor concern because
everything we said on on this show for the last year, which is
that Drake May plays fantasy football in a very fun way.
He he he is not conservative by his nature.
He was not conservative by his nature.
And some of the some of the throws that people are going to
mock on social media, it's like, dude, he was just jazzed up.
I mean, I think you could just tell pretty clearly, like he was
just like the the bad interception if he's still
making those two months from now.
OK. But like, it's a big moment for
you, Drake. Also, I mean like if he goes out
there and as he throws a 40 yard touchdown pass and then he
throws a pick 6, those are not equivalent outcomes for us.
You know, they're equivalent outcomes for points and in some
ways coaches would like, much prefer that you just not throw
either of the passes than than both.
Like they're not, they're not seen as equal.
Pick 6 is worse than a touchdown.
It coaches mine and obviously you can get yourself benched and
all of that. So it's not like who cares?
But going out there and throwing 3 touchdown passes with the two
interceptions and a strip sack in your debut?
Great every time. Yeah, yeah, a couple notes on
that. I think I agree with all what
you're saying. I think everything we thought
about Drake may go into this game was confirmed like the
terrible online. He had 11% sack rate on the
season. That's second highest amongst
all NFL starting quarterbacks, second only to Desean Watson.
Wonder what's going on there. And then the the second highest
scramble rate amongst all quarterbacks behind only Jayden
Daniels. Jayden Daniels is at 15%
scrambler rate, Drake Mays at 13%.
That's as a percentage of drop backs.
So that's really exciting that he's you know, it's only one
week sample, but immediately scrambling nearly as much as
Jayden Daniels and far more than Josh Allen, Justin Fields, Lamar
Jack and that's really exciting for for fantasy value.
So. That was a big part of the
profile too, is that he's not going to have the design run
stuff of a of a dual threat, but he scrambles a lot and he's
really good at it. Yeah, yeah, he's a very good
runner. I thought that certainly passed
the eye test as well. All right, we'll get into our
victory laps and bag defending. I I have a feeling that maybe we
stole Pat's victory lap there, but I'm done.
I'm good. I did want to get to a weekly
segment on this show. The status of Russell Wilson's
calf and how healthy it looked on the sidelines this week.
Davis. Yeah, we'll, we'll give it to
you at first. So Carane made this great point
last week that, like this game against the Raiders was really
an inflection point for Justin Fields.
Like you lose this game and we're talking about Russ is
starting this week and fields doesn't get a contract extension
and is like Blake. Basically Blake Bortles like he
he'll spend a year backing up Marcus Mariota actually probably
is the better the better comp or he just is is going to.
Be Mario is a great comp. Where he's just a A1 year backup
a lot now. I, I, I mean, I would make it
-120 the Steelers sign him to a long term contract, I think.
I think at this point and dude, you just, Sam, you, you are such
a Fields hater. Like you just, it is inarguable,
man. He's playing the football they
want him to play. I'm not going to say he's
playing great football, but they're, he's doing exactly what
they want him to do. And the thing about Fields is
that he's got enough of the mat. The dude, like he converted a
1/3 and 14 on like a quarterback blast, like a play that is
designed to fail and set up a punt.
He converts a first down and like Russell Wilson can't do
that. Very few guys can do that.
He he's not going to get a, the a Tua type, he's not going to
get 160 million. What he's going to get is he's
going to get the Jordan Love contract, the first one.
The first one. Yeah, it, it was like I, what
was it, $28 million a year or something with a team option.
But like he, he's going to be the Steelers starting
quarterback next year, I think is my for sure is my guess.
I, I, I would be pretty surprised.
I mean, obviously he he could not be by by bombing the rest of
the way, but at this point, I would be surprised if he wasn't
their starting quarterback. I mean, frankly, like the
Steelers really lucked out to get Justin Fields for free.
Like that was that was just a huge, like just cell phone by
the rest of the league and they just handed this this starting
quarterback to them. Where else would he be a good
fit and where else would he be the right starter?
I bet, I bet the Dolphins would like to have him right now.
Yeah, but they just paid 2. He was available for backup.
He was available to be a backup. But his contract is big because
he he was a first round pick. So like his contract is more
than an average backup salary. James Bean, the Raiders are a
bad fit. Yeah, I think it's sure about
that. I believe it's 12 and a half,
$1,000,000 off the top of my head.
So here's why the Raiders wouldn't be a good fit.
Luke Getzi was just. No, it's $3,000,000.
You're. Going to cost $3,000,000 against
the cap. I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
It's it's a sick country. Why do I think that?
Well, because the league treated him like he was.
He was like a $50 million bum. I don't know.
Yeah, but I, I mean, I'm, I'm not going to say that Justin
Fields isn't playing decently and is not playing better than
probably what Russell Wilson would give him out there.
But let's just like level set a little bit like the Steelers
wins this year are against that Raiders team, against a chargers
team in the game where Justin Herbert got injured, Joel got
injured. Rashawn Slater got injured
against the Denver Broncos and against the Falcons in that week
one game where the Falcons could only run pistol cause Kirk
Cousins couldn't move or whatever that weirdness was week
one against the Falcons. So again, decent players and and
well coached, well coached teams should beat bad teams.
Like I'm not saying strip all of they're wins away from them.
That's. Ridiculous, but find 8 losses on
their schedule. They get to play home to The
Jets. Win.
They're they're not. They're not losing to that team.
They get to play home to the Giants.
Be so good. They get to play home to the
Giants, That's a win road to the Commanders.
They'll lose that home to the Ravens, they'll lose that road
to the Browns. Easy win.
I mean, just just like the the Browns shouldn't even show up to
that game. It's going to be they're they're
they're going to get two wins against the Browns, yeah,
they're going to get to 10 wins. I.
Don't know man, the. The other thing is that like you
got to remember the organization.
This is the Steelers. This is like culture, you know,
leadership and like maybe getting a win in the wild card
round. Like that's that's the point of
the organization. You know, this is he's the
perfect guy. Like is, is am I saying he's
going to like lead them to Super Bowls?
No, he's not. He's going to like, they're
going to squeak in the playoffs a few times and they're going to
be psyched about it. Yeah, this is like the whole
game for them. I don't know, I, I, I just think
this I think he's playing well, but I think it's like still much
more of a fragile situation. Like there was a play in this
game in the red zone, Justin Fields throws a terrible red
zone interception and they actually I've never seen this on
broadcast on a broadcast before. I've never seen this before.
They actually like zoom in on Russell Wilson's like calf and
you see the health bar on his calf like go all the way up to
100. I've never seen them do this in
the broadcast before. It was really bizarre.
And then they overturn the play and then his calf help declines
it. Drops.
Dramatically so. I'm just saying like, I think
there's a little more fragility in here than like -150 odds that
Justin Fields gets a long term contract with the Steelers.
Who do you? I'm not really who do you?
Think Who do you think is better in EPA per play this season,
Justin Fields or CJ Stroud? It's fields.
I was going to play this. Team fields.
Yeah, it's fields. Fields Here are some
quarterbacks that Fields has better EPA per.
Play I'm I'm mad you looked this up, Davis, because I was going
to ask you Fields or Mahomes. It.
Is Mahomes. It is.
Mahomes, Mahomes, Mahomes has already entered into his 40 year
old Drew Brees arc where you just keep getting mad at how
shitty he is and it just makes him stronger.
The the more angry that everyone gets to the Chiefs, the shittier
they're going to play and the more they're going to win.
It's like they have this game against the 49ers this week and
they're going to throw. They're going to be so bad and
the the, the result of this game is not going to be in doubt for
a moment like it's it's going to be, it's going to be
unbelievable. People are going to be so mad
that they're going to win this game anyway.
Field is playing fine. He.
He's playing fine. I'm not trying to be a player.
He's he's playing fine and it's, it's undeniable.
Like his athleticist. He's playing his athleticist.
He's up there with he's up there with Geno Smith.
He's not far behind Sam Darnold. Like, give the guy credit.
I'm not saying he's going to play.
Maybe in the computers, but I don't know like but but my
problem with Justin Fields again, I was, I was going to
give him credit like exactly. You don't.
You're not into the computers now, Sam on on ADP.
I just don't. I don't believe that.
This is the football for play. Honestly, the football guy stuff
he looks better he he looks better on the field than the
than the numbers would suggest Like like the football guy stuff
works to your disadvantage here I.
Don't know about that. I haven't seen, I've never seen
any more hardened bias than this bias.
This is why I'm not saying this dude is looking good.
He's he's reviving his career and you're just like pissing all
over it. I'm not saying he he sucks.
I'm just saying that like there's very few plays.
You're not going to, you're not going to be finish my point.
So we're just going to move on. Let's move on.
To what is that you don't like Justin Fields and it's been well
made well. Made I've gone, I've gone
halfway through sentence 6 times and you're not let me finish.
So we're moving on victory lapping bag, defending Crane,
you got you're going to go with manage for victory lap.
Yeah, and there was Sam said that he hasn't he hasn't done
enough for me to victory lap him yet.
I think that's he just has in this matchup, right.
We were going to, I thought it was going to have to come on and
cope. It's a victory lap that I'm not
here coping. You look good.
Different. Different Sam.
Sam Sherman. Different, Sam.
Sorry, not you, Sam. One of the Sam, one of the one
of the commenters is nay, Drake May.
Yeah, he scored. He scored more fantasy.
For the same same as the chat first start.
Yes. All right, move on.
We already talked to Drake May. What did you have, Davis for
your victory lap player this week?
I mean, it's got to be, it's got to be Debo, right?
Scores the scores the 80 yard touchdown in another game people
the the the Brandon Naive people had their one moment in the sun
where he had like like 13 dog out points.
I mean, it's just like with with McCaffrey out, there's one guy
on the team who makes the difference that they want to use
and it's Debo. Now obviously Kittle.
Kittle, like if you take in positional value and like
blocking and everything is probably the most important guy
on the 49ers this year. But it, I mean, this is what
insiders have always said, this is what all the 49ers beat
writers have always said, is that Kyle can pretend he's a
genius all he wants, but if you take Debo off the field, he
loses his, he loses the, the, the, the, his, his queen.
He loses the the most important chess piece in his board because
Debo makes you defend vertically and horizontally.
Debo made an incredible play on a shitty Brock Purdy throw, by
the way, to score that to score that well, I mean people, but
the film guys been arguing for like 10 days.
It's tearing people apart on if Purdy made a good throw or a bad
throw on on that play. But yeah, I mean, I, I think in
a specifically in the game that we play where as someone with a
down bad portfolio can tell you the thing you really need is 25
point weeks, like 18 point weeks, 18 point weeks are nice,
but they're really like if you're 40 points behind in week
6, a bunch of 18 point weeks are not going to get you there.
What you need is you need a guy who can get 25.
What you need is a guy who can get 30.
And Debo like started out in May, dude, he's going to like
the 2-3 turn. You know, he's going after a lab
a going after a waddle, just like insane stuff.
So yeah, so I'm doing, I'm doing Debo as my.
Victory lap. I like that one.
And I also wonder now if, like the rushing thesis for Debo, I
actually thought about this last week even before Mason got hurt,
that this Christian McCaffrey lining up and running back stuff
unlock so many things that the 49ers want to do in the red
zone. And I think Debo can like
somewhat approximate that when they line them up and running
back. And now with Jordan Mason banged
up, I wonder if we see even more like schemed red zone stuff for
Debo over the next few weeks. We'll see on.
Another thing all the 49ers guys are talking about is how bad
they've been in the red zone, saying it's McCaffrey and like,
yeah, I mean, Debo is the only one who I mean, no, no.
He's the closest one to yeah, yeah, to McCaffrey.
Yeah. That that while we're here like
any, any quick Gorendo versus Patrick Taylor takes Crane, have
you thought about this at all for like waivers or anything
next week? Any takes on those guys or is
it? Still not.
Not yet, no. Yeah, I mean, runner looked fine
I guess. He had that big run Mason has.
10 days to get back though and they said his injury was not
serious. Yeah, that is true.
So we'll we'll see on that one. Still too early to tell.
I'll do my victory lap take with Kamani Vidal.
Yeah, this. I was huge.
Yeah, I think so. Obviously, like he still is not,
he's not taking over the backfield from JK Dobbins.
I think it's pretty crazy to say that.
But I think kind of the thesis with Vidal was that either one
of Dobbins or Gus Edwards would get out of the way and open up
opportunities for him. I think it was tough to click
him in August, September when it looked like it'd be a healthy
scratch to start the season. There was even concerns is he
going to make the team. I'm glad that I didn't panic too
much on that because I think the thesis has played out that Gus
Edwards, you know, he had a good career, but at his stage of his
career he was not getting it done at all on IR with ankle
injury. I don't think we're going to see
much of Gus Edwards again this season barring injuries to these
top guys. And to me, Vidal look good, like
he he caught that wheel pass down the field, made a pretty
good catch on that for a 30 yard touchdown, Held up pretty well
in pass protection, which is kind of the role he was trusted
in and the role that in college people liked him in and Troy
there. And yeah, I thought like
watching him nothing special as a runner, but he's just seems
like a guy that can do a little bit of everything, like is big
enough to do some interior runs, is capable enough to go out
there and catch some passes. So if a Dobbins injury happens,
I think this could be a big win. And also, I mean, you got it.
It sucks to like even talk about because this this Dobbins come
back story is so awesome but a guy like Dobbins getting 25
carries a game which he got this past.
Week prior career high in rush attempts in the National
Football League. Oh, like. 1617. 17 his his
previous career, he he had reached his previous career high
in the third quarter. Yeah, wow.
So I honestly kind of hope for Dobbins own sake that they even
this out a little bit. We.
Should really try and not do that.
They should really be like we're up, we're up two touchdowns
against the Broncos. Why don't we let the sixth round
rookie, We don't care if he's on the team next year.
Get the ball. Yeah, I agree with that.
Yeah. Grant, anything else to to Adam
Vidal? I know he was someone you were
targeting this offseason as well.
Well, one thing I wish I thought of right, this is like some real
we had to see it for the for for the my my third eye to open
here. But we should have been
correlating by Dahl by Dell, right?
We're betting against Gus Edwards.
Gus Edwards is just a product of the Ravens probably should have
some more Derrick Henry on those teams.
We're we're against by Dell, by Dell, Gus Edwards.
It's just because Lamar could make anyone awesome.
Oh, well, maybe Derrick Henry will have another good year
then. So yeah, didn't didn't think to
do that by Dell. Derrick Henry teams would feel
pretty fun right now. Pretty sure I don't have many of
those. Yeah, I checked my Derrick Henry
exposure and again, as has become famous on Twitter over
the past few weeks, I did not draft a ton of teams underdog
this year. So it's questionable if I even
am allowed to do the show. But of my like 4045 teams, I
drafted an underdog this year. I ended up with like 15% Derrick
Henry. I don't know if that means like
four teams or whatever. It's not not like some crazy
amount, but yeah, happy with that one.
I agree, Pat. Like there was so much talk
about, oh, Gus Adridge is only a product of Lamar Jackson, the
Ravens, but we didn't use that to.
Say, why don't we? Yeah, why don't we draft the
generational running back who is going to play with Lamar
Jackson? The Ravens 'cause.
He's very good. I know, but I but we just said
Gus Edwards. Gus Edwards was.
You know Gus Edwards is. Yeah, I officially I, I
officially do not feel bad about fading Barkley, Henry or Kamara
like I'm I'm going to have a bad.
Seat. I do, I do.
He was cheap. OK, it's fair.
Fair. Yeah, we should have.
We should. Have.
Taken them, but but you know, that's I mean, that's the
annoying thing is no one no one is is saying, Oh, I was so smart
to draft Josh Jacobs. I was so smart to draft Travis
ETN. I was so smart to draft James
Cook. Even James Cook, who like is
kind of kind of breaking out. People are like, you know,
whatever. Berkeley and Henry, I'm not like
kicking myself for but I, you know, I do think.
Kamara, Kamara, you're right. You're right.
Yeah, we should have taken more Kamara.
Especially on DraftKings. Especially on DraftKings.
Well, he was more expensive on DraftKings.
I actually more met myself. Than underdog where he was.
Sometimes, yeah, but he would fall like further on underdog, I
said. I'm I'm more irritated with
myself about that. One.
Yeah, All right, let's move on to bag defending.
We'll let Davis you go first in this one.
Who's the player that you're bag defending this week?
So I was thinking about this and it's going to be a it's going to
be a bit of a weird one, but I'm going to bag defend Blake Corum,
who now is like kind of a popular drop or into we're into
the bye weeks, we're into the injuries.
And so people are just looking at their rosters and they're
like, oh, why do I have why do I have this idiot on my roster?
Right. And I think Kyron's role being
so good is both evidence that Quorum was a great pick and a
bad pick, depending on your view.
Because obviously part of the reason why Quorum was so high
was because there was some thought, oh, this is going to be
a timeshare we're going to get. It's going to be two drives for
Chiron, one drive for Quorum. So that proved not to be true.
Instead, what Blake Quorum is, is just the stone nuts.
Best handcuff in fantasy football.
He already it's it they they came out of the OR they went
into the buy and Ronnie Rivers is gone.
Right. So Ronnie Rivers is is done now.
He he got no, I think he got one offensive snap in the most
recent game. Quorum got his stuff instead.
So now you just have and, and obviously the way people view it
is, oh, well, Kyron hasn't gotten injured yet, so quorum is
a bad pick. Quorum is, is too expensive.
Well, guess what, If Kyron Williams turns his ankle or gets
food poisoning or whatever, then Blake Quorum ends up being the
guy you absolutely had to have like a guy who's averaging like
22 fantasy points per game in the 10th round.
And I just, it's to me, it's just such a we, I'm doing so
much more content this year. I'm writing content, I'm doing
all these videos and everything. So I get much more feedback than
I ever have in the past and the feedback I get is so short
sighted. It's so whatever just happened
and whatever's happened this season was the way it was always
going to go. Jordan Mason was always the best
pick in best ball, right? We just did this with Jordan
Mason. Like we can't.
I can't believe we're taking McCaffrey one O 1.
He's hurt lol. Jordan Mason is the nuts.
But also, why bother holding Blake Cormoran It's.
Yes, but what? How could Blake Cormoran have
possibly been a good pick when you could have just taken Jordan
Mason? How about how about I mean you
want to talk about a a real sliding glass door that is going
to determine who wins a lot of money in fantasy football this
year? This is maybe even more managed
than best ball, but how about Carson Steele getting 17 rushes
and doubling up Samaj P Ryan and routes in the first game without
Pacheco and then immediately fumbling in the next game?
So the, the, the, the cream hunt people, of which there were many
in the FFPC circles, you know they've been doing this.
Dude, you're such an idiot. Why did you not spend all this
fab money on Kareem Hunt? I'm pretty confident.
I, I, I'm with like a 70% degree of confidence.
Steele doesn't fumble in that game.
Kareem Hunt is is getting like 4 rushes a game.
Maybe I maybe. I'm at least about that.
But Steele is still involved. I agree with that at least that
the the takeover wouldn't have been like immediate I I don't
think that it's impossible. Hunt would have found a way to
win the job eventually anyways, but still started that next game
and was getting all the touches and snaps before he fumble.
So that's the thing, like the problem with results based
analysis and fantasy is that like some of these things are so
unpredictable fumbles, these really fragile running back
situations like fumbles to turn the determine the rotation way
more than we want to admit and good luck predicting which these
dust ball. Zack Moss Zack Moss fumble
yesterday like that could Zack Moss's fumble yesterday could
change the context of the rest of the season because I, I
actually did want to make this point.
We could do Chase Brown like minute right here real quick.
So Chase Brown can survive a fumble, which he did in that
game. He fumble and then they gave the
ball back to him. Chase Brown can survive a fumble
because the Bengals offense cannot function without a guy
offering explosives in the running game.
Zach Moss can't really survive a fumble because the only reason
he's on the field is to not make a mistake.
That is the Zach Moss is on the field to just not make a
mistake, right. And if you make mistakes when
you're Zach Moss, it is yeah. And and the the chat, the chat
is correct about saying like the if if Brown loses the fumble.
Yeah, I mean all of that, all that stuff.
True. But anyways, that's a long way
of saying I'm bag defending just the concept of high upside
handcuff running backs basically with Blake Quorum.
I did want to add one thing on Quorum that I thought was
interesting in addition to like the the snaps you got last week.
If you just look at the percentage of snaps, it's not
that exciting. 14% of the snaps, 18% of the rush attempts.
That's not a huge difference from the stuff that Ronnie
Rivers was getting over the first couple weeks.
But he did get two of the three inside the five carries in Week
5. Now he got stuffed on both of
them and then Kyron came in and converted the touchdown.
So not all good news there, but at least speaks to the like the
idea of the interchangeability of Blake Gorham and Kyron
Williams. We saw at least in that moment,
Sean McVeigh when they're on the goal line, didn't panic and say
we got to get Blake out of there.
We got to get in there all the. Time out to send Kyron in.
Exactly. So I think, you know, I'm not
saying I, I believe this, I put the odds of this at, I don't
know, 20%. But post by going into week
seven, I do believe there's a chance we see something closer
to the two drives for Kyron, one drive for Blake, Quorum, maybe
something closer to the 6535 split that we maybe thought was
possible. Like Royce Freeman was was one
drive to Kyron 2 drives. Like we we we literally have
seen McVeigh do this. Yeah, it's not impossible, and
there is a long history of McVeigh using one back, but
there also is a equally long history of him using a committee
that people don't like to admit or talk about now when he has a
back as good as Kyron Williams, as good as Todd.
Yeah. That's what it is.
It's when he doesn't have. It's when he had Daryl
Henderson, he used the committee and pretty much.
Every time. Yeah.
Yeah, but I, I don't think, I don't know, spent a third round
pick on Core. I'm not ruling out the idea of
him forcing a 6535 committee some point this season.
Kyron. Speaking of fumbles, Kyron also
did fumble in Week 5. So.
I'm pretty skeptical that that happens because McVeigh can't
help himself. Like it's, you know, it's like,
it's like Shanahan when he gets like McCaffrey out there, like
he just like plays him way too much.
And then, you know, he gets hurt and it's like, can you just
rotate him a little? But they can't.
They can't help themselves, but that same instinct is why Jordan
Mason's out there all the time and would be why corn would be
out there all the time. So I think like you just got to
it's like to me, I actually am a big believer in that the he's,
you know, going to ride a guy he trusts.
Not that he has to have a one back because if he doesn't trust
anybody, doesn't trust anybody, but if you trust someone, he's
going to stick with them. But I think quorum could be that
guy if if Karen went down. So to me that one back thing is
a double edged. I mean, to spend a third round
pick on a running back with the roster they they have is is
pretty crazy dude. It's pretty crazy.
That that yeah, that's my only thing is that he's not some
nobody Ronnie Rivers type guy. But I I yeah, I'm not saying
that like I'm predicting Blake horms and get 40% on the snaps
versus the season. That's that's crazy.
I'm just saying there, I think there's a chance.
There was just real quick and then we can be done with this.
There was a little bit of chatter from the chat about
Ronnie Rivers. Ronnie Rivers has been on the
Rams for three seasons now. They, they randomly suddenly
started him in one game. He is like maybe the worst
runner on an NFL roster. He, he, he is like insanely bad.
So I I'm pretty confident if Kyron gets injured, we're not
going to see much. Ronnie Rivers.
You see some, it's funny, like when Kyron's in there, like, you
know, if you're like sweating a Kyron performance, like you see
Ronnie Rivers in there, you're like, what's Ronnie Rivers doing
in there? And then you like, look, and
it's like, I don't have like 89% of the snaps.
So like you will see a little, but I think it would be kind of
like that, like Quorum would be out there like 80% of the snaps
pretty much right away. Because yeah, if he doesn't, he
doesn't trust the dude. He's not going to blame him
much. Yeah, and I think it's more
than. I think it's more that when he
trusts someone, that guy displays.
It's not even like, that's why I'm like skeptical of Quorum
works his way on because it's like, I already have a guy I
trust and he's doing his job, so he's staying out there.
We'll move on to my bag defending player yeah I also
thought about this a lot I I couldn't come up with like an
awesome one this week I'll go with one that I feel just very
medium about Audric estimate drafted this is almost.
Going to be mine. Yeah, Drafted about 20% of them
for some reason, because you had to draft Denver Broncos running
backs this year. Everyone, everyone knows that
draft. Everyone knows that you got to
draft Broncos running backs. They're.
Just some of the conventional wisdom in the summer.
They're a gold mine, but any? Only some of it.
Only some of it Corrine. Yeah, anyways, this is just
people probably don't even want to hear this anymore for me, but
like I just don't think Jonte Williams is ever going to come
back from this knee injury. Now he's he's good at something.
He's he's a very good pass protecting back.
I get if you have a rookie quarterback out there, you
probably want the pass pro guy over the inexperienced rookie,
especially early on the season. I just think you watched Devonta
Williams run. There's not much there.
He also had a second second lost fumble of the season this week.
Audrey Guestman only played a handful of snaps but did get
carries when he was out there. So I do think similar to what we
saw with Tyler Bidet, they actually flipped Bidet over
Javante in that game. He got injured.
In terms of the first running back to get carries, first
running back to get touches, I think there's a chance we see.
False False narrative False narrative.
Javante played the first series, the day played the second,
Javante played the third, then the day came back out for the
4th, and then he got injured. You're all you are directionally
accurate, but you are not telling the whole truth.
All I know is that when I checked the box or when he got
injured, he had like 3 touches to Javante's one.
So anyways, bottom line is they were giving him more carries
before he got hurt than Javante. I don't know if you want to
nitpick that statement, but I'm just saying it's not worth
talking about this just just to say that I think we've seen Sean
McVay try to replace a little bit of the Javante roll before.
I think Este will be given a chance to do that.
No idea if he succeeds or not, but for a 20th or whatever round
pick he was for most of the summer, I think he's going to
end up being OK, especially for this Broncos team.
I've got I've got a hotter take on top of this estimate is just
going to start a running back for them next week.
Wow. Dude, the so if you guys do not
subscribe to ceiling signals, it is like honestly, probably like
it's so valuable. I I really love that Ben does
it. I learned stuff like I've
watched the NFL pretty closely. I follow all the stuff, and I
learned stuff reading from Ben all the time.
And Ben wrote this insanely long diatribe in defense of Devante
and reading it, I actually got worse vibes about Devante
reading it. Because basically it all relies
on the fact that Peyton has continued to give this guy the
ball, but the sheer amount of other guys on the team and the
time that Peyton has been the coach has just been like, I
think he basically has sort of decided Javante is the best of a
bad lot. But there's a reason why Tyler
Bidet keeps getting touches. There's a reason why Samaj P
Ryan is playing every 3rd down. There's a reason why Julie
McLaughlin was getting high value touches.
Like there's a reason why this random fifth round pick out of
Notre Dame, who we all thought was a terrible prospect, became
like our favorite pick because the guy do you know how rare
this is for a day three rookie to have a knee scope and miss
mini camp and for the coach to be like, it's all good?
It's all. Good, it's all good dude.
He's. Big fans.
All, all good, you know. So I, I think, I think that, I
think the, the bidet stuff to me, Sam was evidence that you
are right, that like the day being involved at all is
evidence that there's this placeholder part of the offense
for estimate is basically how I took it.
And I think, I think the, the running game has been so bad.
I believe Denver running backs are now averaging 3.5 yards per
carry as a team. Like I think it's, it's a, it's
a real thing where we just like estimate could get 14 rushes
next week. I don't even know who they play.
Yeah, and yeah, I, I think like the scenarios where Javante
holds on to a majority or plurality role for the rest of
season are like totally possible, maybe even like the
most likely outcome. But I don't know, man.
Like we've seen this for 24 games now post ACL.
What does that really get you? I'm pretty sceptical it's much
of value, especially, you know, Bo Nix was letting the NFL on
fire and playing well. Maybe you did get something out
of this Javante stuff, but with the way he's playing.
I think that's, that's the key point, I think is that so I'm
looking at the rush roads over expected because we talked about
this a few weeks ago with his rush roads over expected and he
was just in the tank. And I noted that he's facing a
really high rate of eight man boxes.
And I was like actually less concerned about his numbers
compared to someone like DeAndre Swift or whatever, just because
like, you know, there's been no explosiveness.
Swift has actually looked pretty decent, although he's still
second worst in these numbers, but obviously coming off a good
game. But his, his numbers have
improved Jovante's a little bit, but he's still, he's at -25 so
he's, he's not like in the worst of the worst, like Zeke's down
at -54 a chance at -78. Jovante has a 40% success rate,
which is like totally solid. He's, you know, he's near like
guys like Kyron Williams. Rico Dowdell is not too far
above. Alvin Kamara is not too far
above. Alexander Madison's not too far
above right, like Javonte. Williams is a real Javonte
Williams is a real Alexander Madison ass running back right
now. Yeah, you're not.
You're not looking at him being like, this guy's actively bad.
This is. It's not this guy's so bad that
the team can't prosper with him in it.
It's just that he's not really. He's just not really adding
anything. You know, he he he is fine.
But I think to Sam's point and to our our larger point of
being, I was a big estimate drafter and honestly, big Jaleel
drafter, really just a big Denver running back.
Like I, I should check, I should check right now.
I'm sure I have an absolute ass ton of these guys.
Yeah, I've got 14% estimate, 12% McLaughlin, 10% Javante.
So I clearly, I clearly bought into this Denver running back
narrative. And the, you know, the crazy
thing is that it was all supposed to rely on Nick's being
sharp enough to complete a bunch of passes to running backs and
keep these drives alive. The only thing Nick's has been
good for is actually you should have just taken Nick's
completely naked unstacked because he's an incredible
scrambler. He he like some of these, some
of these scram like he had this third and 13 conversion
yesterday where like the defender like had his legs and
he just was like, Nope, I'm keeping, I'm, I'm going to keep,
I'm going to keep going. But he's been so bad.
He can't even complete screen passes.
He, he can't even complete these, these Drew Brees passes
to the running backs. And that is so, so now that
leads me to being, I mean, estimate is, I mean, what is he
weigh 235 lbs? Like you basically just line up
with Lucas Kroll and Adam Troutman and you just say we're
running, we're running 4.2 yards per carry, let's get something
going on the ground cuz Nicks could maybe succeed.
Nicks could maybe succeed. If you got up against lighter
boxes or whatever, it's probably not going.
To happen yeah yeah and I I think the the point that that
Sam made about Nicks just not lighting the world on fire is
the is the point. The reason I was bringing up the
rushroads over expect is cuz like you could it like there's a
couple ways where Devante would be fine with what he's doing
right now. One of those would be if he was
like a really good receiving back like Camara or if like
there was absolutely no possible competition like with Dowdell or
if the offense was actually fairly functional and he was
really good around the goal line like with Karen Williams like,
but he's not any of it. Like none of those things are
true. And it's also like not an
offense that's just really, really strong and just like
needs a reliable guy because Devante is he actually has been
40% success rate. Like you can kind of count on
him to go out there and do his job, but it's just not enough.
Like you need, they need something.
It's not enough. It's not enough if Peyton
doesn't want it to be enough. You know what I mean?
Like it's, it's not like you got to be benched, but it's also
like if Sean Payton is just looking for something else.
Because the the previous regime drafted Javonte, right?
Yeah, memory serves. So he drafted estimate.
I mean, that's that's classic Sean Payton stuff of being.
Like, yeah. Yeah.
All I'll say to and the conversation is like if you're
looking for an excuse to bench someone, like 2 fumbles is an
excuse Now plenty of good running backs at fumbles.
Like, I'm not saying that's the thing you should be judging
people on, but it gives coaches an excuse to make a change if
that's what Sean Payton wants to do.
So we'll see here over the next couple weeks.
I don't think I've given it to you, Pat for your bag defending
player, is that right? Yeah, what are?
You thinking this week for for your bag defend.
I'll say Hunter Henry to. No, this doesn't.
This doesn't count, dude. He just is a winner.
That that's a big. Is he all right?
Yeah. All right, well, I don't have
another one. You can.
For the. No, I'm not bag defending him.
He he's I was going to I was going to say he was done.
That's I'm over. What's the what's the last one?
Panic, but I was going to I. Was maybe going to bag, I was
maybe going to bag. Defend Polk.
All right, well, talk me into bag depending bag defending
General Polk, because I'm I'm watching him play out there and
he's he looks terrible. He drops every pass he can't get
open. I'm pretty sure that Demario
Douglas is is going to be the dude in New England and that
Hunter Henry will. Also enjoy.
Shocking that the guy who actually was able to generate
positive momentum on last year's Patriots team was actually able
to play a little bit this year. Yeah, I'll give you the bag
defend on Polk Kayshawn boot. I actually don't know if it's
boot or booty, but isn't. It booty.
He is like a lifelong knucklehead, like Light, like
every program and team he's ever been.
And it's been like please stop, please get away from us.
He is like 1 incident away from getting sent to the practice
squad. I don't know, man, like he so he
catches that pass and then he got up there like with all the
confidence of like he he got up there with like, you know, 10
all pro selection confidence and was like you need to throw deep.
He was a five star high school recruiter.
He was ALS like he like, he could have been like neighbors.
I would be terrified if I was ahead of that guy on the depth
chart and not performing. I would.
I wouldn't. No, the the bag defend with Polk
is they only played four wide receivers in the game.
So that's pretty big. OK.
Austin Hooper is not going to earn any targets.
Like Austin Hooper can be on the field, but he's not going to
earn any targets. And may well like, like if Javon
Baker is active next week, then we've got issues.
But I don't, I don't think, I don't think he will be.
So I think Polk will have Polk will have more opportunities to
to not be terrible is is the bag.
Defend OK, all right, we'll move on here to panic button.
I'm not sure where we landed there on on Pat's bag.
Defend. But can I start?
Yeah, yeah, I'll give it to you. I don't even have one, to be
honest. So go ahead.
I'm. Going to panic button Jalyn
Polk. It's guy.
This guy is 0.50 yards per route run.
He last week with May at 0.14 is worst of the season.
He is not He's been really bad an open score.
He drops everything. I know he's out there running
routes, but like this dude is just begging Javon Baker to come
out there and and take some routes away.
So yeah, maybe maybe Davis is right in the, you know, an
easier match up and improve quarterback situation could
potentially get something out of poke.
But I have a lot of poke in baseball and I think even Drake
may playing well is not going to save it.
Yeah, man, I don't. I don't know what to think.
I think as a Patriots fan, my takes on Patriots players are
always clouded by equal parts like cope of wanting them to be
good, but also equal parts like every Belichick wide receiver
that's been drafted since like 1999 has been a colossal bust.
So I can't get over that part as well.
But I don't know man. Like Polk over AD Mitchell just
from a fan perspective. Not this isn't a fantasy take.
That was bad. At the time, that was.
Exactly, yeah. I'm not saying from a fantasy
perspective AD Mitchell is like killing it, but just from a fan
perspective, like he looks at least at his high points, has
something special out there on the field that I'm struggling to
see with Polk. Like his his two highlights from
the season were incompletion almost catches.
Like that's the stage of Pope of Cope.
We're at Frigil and Polk. So yeah, man, I, I don't know,
I, I kind of am in the middle between you and Davis here.
I don't really know what to think.
Also my third highest drafted player so.
Stuff it's like he he like literally cannot focus enough to
be on the football field, but he's so good that they're still
just like, all right, 10 snaps a game, you're going to go run
around because you're that he got he had four targets on 11
snaps this week. And I think it was, I think it
was 7 targets on like 13 snaps last week.
And then like after the game, Reggie Wayne that Reggie Wayne
says 80. Mitchell is the best separator
in the NFL. Oh God, you know what?
You know what's going to happen next year?
Prediction and 9. Mitchell is going to be the
Dontavian Wicks of 2024. Yeah, projected as the 4th wide
receiver to start the year. You can't see the clear path,
the routes. All the film Bros say he looked
awesome. His yards per route run maybe is
awesome by the end of the year, except the problem.
Is. I think it will be pretty good,
yeah. The past volume's gonna be like
18 attempts per game with Anthony Richardson.
That's that's the minor. In this plan the issue is the
issue will be the same as Wix, which is that when he gets full
time role he just doesn't know what to do.
Like he just doesn't know how to play football.
Doesn't know how to catch. Yeah, I'm looking forward to him
being the walkthrough cover boy in Week 5 next year.
We'll, we'll win exactly as much money as we did when Wix was.
Yeah, I will honestly like never recover my credibility in my
home league group chat amongst my friends from high school with
the bid I put on Dontavian Wicks.
My reputation as a fantasy analyst is honestly like
irrecoverable from their perspective.
They all think I'm the biggest idiot ever.
They all think Dontavian Wicks sucks and I don't know.
He hasn't proven them wrong yet this year.
So that's that is a problem. For me not to completely derail
us here, but Sam, you are in the dark.
You were wearing a beanie and we're seeing people wheel stuff
out of this house behind you are are you?
Is this the middle of a robbery? No, it's the bank.
It's the bank examiner. It's the bank, yeah.
Dan K. Dan K, Yes.
If you're getting robbed, then I think he has a point.
No, no, the bank examiner watched Jalen Polk and Roma
dudes last week and he said enough is enough.
Sam, we're we're coming here. You're you're 30% Nico Collins
can't can't save you now, which as a transition, that was going
to be my panic meter. This is just I had nothing to
say. So I'm just going to panic on
30% Nikka Collins and say I was I was too right this year.
I was. I knew too much.
Ball right? If you drafted at 11 or 12, what
was even the right pick at the turn right now with like with
the result, No. Saquon.
Saquon sucks dude. Chase Brown has more touchdowns
than him. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, come on, results wise it was obviously Saquon or?
No, it's Derrick Henry. I mean, the correct answer is is
probably Nico. You know the hamstring thing is
not you got to, you got to assume that doesn't happen in
the we re we reroll. Yeah, it's just, it's.
Just, oh. London.
London.
London or Debo? London, Yeah.
London. London, Debo.
I mean, projecting forward, you guys, if you guys were given a
Mulligan today, not saying it was bad process to fade Saquon.
If you're just given a Mulligan today, you have a time machine
where you can see six weeks in the future, you're not taking
Saquon at the 1-2 turn. I mean, come on.
No, sure. I don't know.
Offense terrible man. The offense looks so bad the the
offense is like the. Mixer yelling at the fans have
to they barely beat the. Yeah, it's like it's like bad
play, bad play, bad play one A.J.
Brown miracle bad play, bad play, bad play Devonta Smith the
miracle bad play, bad play, bad play tush push.
Bad play, bad play, bad play tush push.
Can we, I would like to give ourselves a little bit of a
little bit of crap just as a just as a whole community,
everybody, I think I don't know anyone's exempt from this.
When Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell was first hired and Nick
Sirianni was first hired, we were like, both of these guys
are equally clowns. They're both biting kneecaps and
Nick Sirianni's weird, super weird press conference.
Both these guys and then one of them's like the greatest coach.
I would I would run through a wall.
Do you? Did you read what he said about
David Montgomery? He's like, I wish I could have
played with him. Like what a compliment from Dan
Campbell. Like, unbelievable stuff,
really. It's so good.
Yeah, Dan, Dan Campbell, awesome guy.
Although Craig, you, you do know how this thing goes that if
they're if the the Lions for whatever reason, go on a six
game losing streak, 5 game just for whatever, if just imagine,
then the Dan Campbell thing goes from being charming and and like
real football guy to this fucking guy sucks.
This guy's is just doing he's just doing a bit.
He's he's, he's, he's. No, I don't know.
I don't think so because we came up with Dan Campbell with them
not being very good. Like, I first flipped and was
like, I think this guy's awesome when they were back.
You know, I think he's like just a legitimately really good
coach. Like he, he cares about his
players. He wants to win a lot.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
He accepts buy in from other people because he he
incorporates other people's opinions and stuff.
He's like. Agree more.
He's like a football. He's like the most football guy
in some ways, but also like kind of anti football guy in other
ways, you know? He looks like, he looks like
Carhartt. Andrew Huberman.
They look, they look so similar, it's crazy.
Anyway, Siriani turned out to be a clown after all.
Yeah, Siriani is a clown. Here's a here's a genuine panic
button for me to to get this debate going.
What do you guys think about Jameer Gibbs panic button?
The 1-2 turn? Not that he's been a bad pick,
but we're not. We now have 5 weeks this season.
David Montgomery. Panic button about a guy who's
alive, I think, I think at this stage.
I I was just going to make the point five weeks of the season,
David Montgomery 18 PPR points from rate game.
He got a new contract extension. Jamir Gibbs 15 PPR points per
game. You look at their roles, their
routes, their goal line stuff like I'm not seeing anything
that's saying like Jamir Gibbs, his role is way better than
David Montgomery's. Like did did we miss this?
And just not having them closer together, I guess is my
question. Because to me, like I think they
should go close to back-to-back. I think gun to my head, I still
take Gibbs, but they should be pretty close in rest of season
rankings. I'll start with your thoughts on
on that. And we definitely didn't miss
it, you know, because you have to in fantasy football, right?
You're trying to project what will happen in and you're trying
to capture the upside scenarios, right?
So you got to you got to take some leaps of faith and first
round pick really good receiver in college.
Not such a good receiver as a rookie, but competent explosive
as a rusher. Colton College and right away as
a rookie. And the back behind him is good,
not great or back. You know he's competing with
that. You're hoping he puts behind him
is good, not great. And they already forced to split
as a rookie and already was kind of a league winner in the fourth
round as a rookie. You got it.
You got to take the leap of faith with that guy.
Now it hasn't happened yet, but you know, game logs PPR game
logs 17.417 point 616 point 319.8 12.1 last week.
It's not what we were hoping he's not this is he's not
turning in like the legendary campaign where he's taking the
backfield over, but it's a it's a good team.
They put up points, they play aggressively even.
If they're ahead though, by the way?
Thinking he still could. Speaking of like, you know how
we treat like the thing that has already happened is the thing
that will happen again. Like the the thing with Gibbs
was that he's like a chain level efficiency on an even better
team with an even better line and even better like play caller
and everything around around him.
So like if he just go, if he just rips off a month where he
just super smashes on efficiency scores, scores 6 touchdowns from
outside the 20, then we're going, Oh my God, you idiots.
Like I was this was always going to happen.
It's like Montgomery and Gibbs are exactly who we thought they
were. Gibbs just has not ran hot on
efficiency yet, and Montgomery has ran hot on.
And you're hoping that Montgomery falls off, you're
hoping that Gibbs takes like a clear step forward and is like,
I think he's the best running back in the NFL.
Like you're, you have to, I think, like take on something
like those aren't the most likely outcomes, but when they
happen, the upside is just so massive and like, you know,
earth tilting that you got to, you got to like draft for it a
little bit. And I think in some ways the
reason to take Gibbs is, is that like this is not been the
outcome we wanted. And yet if you were to show up
in a single week tournament next week with Gibbs, you'd feel
fine. You know, it's not ideal, but
but you'd feel fine. So I, I think, I guess like he's
in the middle to me, he's not a, he's not a win, but I don't
think he's a loss. No, yeah, I agree with that.
I think I'm more so just saying that I think maybe we missed
with how low David Long Montgomery was going and he
wasn't someone. I'm not saying like I predicted
this. I think I came out close to even
on Dave Montgomery, maybe even slightly underweight.
And that feels like to with where he was going in like 60s,
seventies, 80s, even at some points.
I forget exactly that feels like maybe I should have had more
Dave Montgomery. But like we talked about you can
you can say that for a lot of running backs.
Yeah. I.
Mean Zach religious is all over that he he really wanted us to
to have more Montgomery move him up the ranks and stuff.
I, I struggle with players like Montgomery because you know, he
is, he is kind of in the Zach Moss Moss.
Thing Really good bet to get 16 a lot of weeks, yeah.
Pretty pretty bad bet to get 25 ever.
Right, so, but you know. This is, I guess my push back on
that is like, is that true though if Gibbs goes out like
we've seen workhorse Montgomery even in Chicago have, like not a
legendary season, but a legendary stretch.
Also, by the way, can you guys hear that background noise?
Yes. OK.
So you're right though, I mean the, the UPS, the, the
contingent upside of Montgomery is actually pretty massive.
So we probably should have had more.
I think the Gibbs ADP was correct.
I think the Montgomery ADP is looking looking like I could do
that. Value isn't the only thing, it's
everything I. Guess it is this year.
Yeah, I think Bixby's going to be illegal there, so I think.
He played 70% of the snaps by Dearness Johnson yesterday.
I think the Tank Bixby people might have gotten over their
skis brother. Well, then, dearness, Johnson is
going to be a legal winner. Those snap rates are gonna are
gonna change once Doug Peterson is fired and left in London.
Bixby is getting. You know what?
OK, this is right now, one of the funniest things in the
history of football is happening, which is that the
Jaguars are stuck in London because they have to play the
Patriots next week. If they were coming back and on
their by right now, Doug Peterson would already be fired.
But basically, I think the team is just decided in a very like
Seinfeldian Curb Your Enthusiasm way.
It's too much of A hassle to fire Doug Peterson and like
figure out all the ramifications of like travel and organizing
practices and everything in another country.
So they're like, whatever, Doug, we'll, we'll handle this when we
get back. Like, literally it it, it, it's
really unlike, imagine the conversations that are happening
between Shad Khan and and Doug Peterson right now.
It would be so funny if they just didn't fly him back from
London after he said they needed a culture change.
Like, well, here's your culture change, buddy.
You were. You were right.
Yeah. So funny.
Yeah, saying it's been some good stuff.
Some of us talk about the team just now has like hang out and
meet like fish and chips with the most fired guy ever.
When, when players after the game are being like, yeah, we
just quit. Not a good sign.
Not a good sign for Calvin Ridley, by the way.
We'll get to my panic button here in a second.
Calvin Ridley, by the way, a player I could not have been
less interested in for fantasy. Absolutely hilarious to see him
being surprised that Will Levis is terrible.
Like, buddy, you signed the contract.
You like get your money. But he's he's like telling, he's
like telling the the team. He's like, we got to give me
some more targets, bro. Like what are we doing?
And I'm like Calvin Ridley. Who did you think you were
playing with, man? You, you you thought you thought
you were getting to play with Jake Browning, brother.
Nope. He also said they were like, you
got targets. The reporter was like, you did
get targets in this game. He's like, yeah, when did they
come? And they're like the fourth
quarter. He's like, exactly like, you got
to give me targets early. But I'm like, I think, I think
Ridley's admitting just like giving up somewhere in the third
quarter, just being like, no. Calvin Ridley's yards per route
run in his career is like Van Jefferson asked what 1.77?
Has anyone, like has anyone's 2019 season carried more weight
than Calvin Ridley's? I mean, this was it 2018?
Was it even 2019? It's, I don't, I don't know, I
it's. In the archives.
Yeah, I've never been a Calvin Ridley guy in my life.
No, that's not true. No, I was a Calvin Ridley guy
last year cuz. Of that.
Fucking training guy I. Was a Calvin Ridley guy by that
By that training clamp. Yeah, I.
Was right there with I didn't I was out.
It felt really for three weeks, but I was fully yeah.
When you go to PFF and you try to look at Kevin Ridley breakout
season, you have to download this extra you.
Have to get it in a CSV. They're not putting it on the
cloud anymore. It's one of those situations
where like, I feel like both the Jaguars and Calvin Ridley look
like idiots. Like trying to replace Calvin
Ridley with Gabe Davis. That's been a disaster, but also
Calvin Ridley. Disaster.
Gabe Davis, they replace with Brian Thomas.
I would say yeah. OK, well, Gabe Davis being on
the like, I don't care about that two touchdown SAT line.
Gabe Davis is looking like one of the worst wide receivers in
the NFL on the field. He he's been atrocious for the
Jags. He dropped two touchdowns last
week. I'm not saying that him and
Calvin really do the same things, but that that contract
prevented them from, I don't know, you don't even have to say
prevented them from signing Calvin.
They prevented them from making another big move at wide
receiver. I don't think the answer was.
They drafted Thomas, so they didn't.
I mean, they did make a big move at wide receiver.
They got their number one guy in the first round.
You know how black is slimming, by the way?
You know what? You know what's not slimming?
The number is 0 #0 number. 0 #0 is so cold it shouldn't it
shouldn't be allowed on Gabe Davis.
It's. Not a good look for Dave.
Davis it looks terrible. All right, we'll move on to
final, final segment. Davis, you're.
I I've got a guy right now I would sell my shares up for for
$0.05. Jermaine Burton.
Why? I am, I mean.
Your bid has been rejected. Like if you if you put up all
the teams I've drafted Jermaine Burton on, it's like more than I
pay it for the mortgage for my house for a year.
And he was this went a little bit unnoticed last night.
I think just a straight up healthy scratch for a team that
is playing Trenton Irwin, Charlie Jones and Andre Yoshi
Vas and I I believe why the reason I'll have to look this
up. I think why they made him a
healthy scratch was so they could get a fourth tight end
active, which is bad. So I guess something.
So I guess something that I've learned is if all the scouts
tell you I'll do this guy would have been a first round pick
would have been a duty so good. Well, there's a real reason why
that guy didn't go in the first round, especially a guy who
Georgia and Alabama had this guy on their teams and he played for
both of them. You know, like, and I guess he's
just got to be the biggest Dick in the world.
I mean, I, I guess that is just really the deal is Oh, and the,
the, the announcers in the preseason game said he needs to
stop sleeping through meetings. Like imagine going into the
league with the Rep of a Dick head and then you sleep through
meetings. Yeah, it's it's brutal with
Jermaine Burton. But Davis, I mean, this is so to
me. I mean, you just have to know if
you're taking this dude, you have to understand the range of
outcomes is wide because this is how we got Josh Gordon.
You know that we do get guys who fall way, you know, he was in
the supplemental draft. But you you you get guys who
like really hurt their draft stock with off the field or
personality stuff. And then they they're either
basically not cut out for the NFL, I'm not saying, or they
could be I'm. Not saying I'll never take a
Dick head again, but this particular Dick head the the
the. Bag, I agree.
No, I agree with that. Yeah, this Dick head has is is
going to be on a new team soon. I mean, I mean, T Higgins was
out like the, the, the thesis of like, oh, he's a contingent play
on Teigen's. Teigen's was out and they said
Yoshi boss learned 4 touchdowns in, in, in a month, you know,
and by the way, I, I was right. So they they they elevated
Tanner Hudson as their 4th tight end instead of having Jermaine
Burton active. Yeah, yeah.
I was about to talk and then I didn't know.
Yeah, now they're everything. I hung up my walls or they're
removing it and yeah, taking it on a truck.
So all the family heirlooms are gone now.
I don't even know what I was going to say anymore.
Roman. Roman Wilson.
Another one, by the way. Roman Wilson, Another one where
it's just like that bag couldn't be deader like he.
Was at least he was activated in week 6 for like 2 snaps.
So there you go, Roman Wilson. Yeah, it's more.
Likely to be more likely to be playing by Week 17, Roman Wilson
or Justin Fields. That's hard.
It's tough. That's how you define playing. 1
snap might be Roman Wilson, majority of snaps Justin Fields.
Yeah, now that's the problem, though I don't know in terms of
takeaways from this. Davis Seiger with you, with what
we know now, Jermaine Burton huge panic button for me.
I don't think he's draftable in a 20 round format, but we do
like to take stabs on these third, fourth round rookies in
somewhat ambiguous good situations.
I don't think the process was wrong on Burton.
Maybe the answer is like once we got the reports that he's like
way behind Yoshi Boss, like behind Trenton.
Erwin training camp saved myself from that because at one point
he was my most drafted player. Yeah.
So I think that was smart. Sent him to 0 but like, so like
I'll I'll phrase it this way to to give some good fantasy
analysts cope. I'd rather have like 18% of
Jermaine Burton zeros, which I do, then 18% of DeMarcus
Robinson's four point fours. I'll continue to play the game
that way. I agree, yeah.
That makes sense. And then another guy, I guess
just to give like the opposite or the somewhat positive side of
this, like if you have 18% Roy Franklin right now, maybe a guy
in somewhat comparable to Burton in terms of being buried on his
team's Jeff chart. He's now the second wide
receiver for the Broncos. Will will that get you anything?
I'm pretty skeptical. But like, that's how it can play
out with these day 2 early day three rookies is that you can
walk into a decent role and then the upside has a chance to show.
So don't think the process on Burton, especially early on, was
like dead in the water. No, I agree.
I mean Burton. Burton to me like had pretty now
it was the landing spot was always a little tough because
they needed a slot and he wasn't a slot.
So it was like, how exactly is this going to work?
But as we know, the NF LS chaotic Juan Jennings has the
best game of the season or they did at one point.
So, you know, weird stuff happens.
He was a talented player. He's with Joe Burrow.
You know, that that alone should be interesting in early drafts.
But yeah, it's just it's it's definitely over for Burton at
the same time. I mean, Franklin are where are
you at on Franklin now? Davis, are you excited?
I guess I'd I'd be excited if Bonex was not Troy Franklin's
quarterback, but he at least appears to be ahead of the
pecking order of he's ahead of Marvin Mims in terms of guys who
weighs less than 210 lbs on the Denver Broncos Wider super
hierarchy. Can I, can I panic button other
people's bags real quick before we get out of here?
I'd like to, I'd like to panic button Josh Jacobs bags.
If Josh Jacobs can't get you there in a 20 point win against
like the second worst run defense in the NFL, what is the
point of Josh Jacobs? Like they're like Emmanuel
Wilson, who who like is about as non prospecty of a prospect as
you could get. It's just been like, well, sure,
I'll just play the snaps that Marshawn Lloyd would have.
Like Jacobs has been so mediocre that your Marshawn Lloyd bags
that should be at absolute zero are are not at absolute 0
anymore. You you could could maybe, you
could maybe buy some back right now.
I don't know about Marshawn Lloyd coming back.
I feel like the team trusts Wilson pretty strongly.
Ahead of Lloyd now would be would be my guess.
I guess we don't know that for sure until Lloyd is activated on
Jacobs. I don't think he's been some
amazing pick by any means. I I was right even with the
field with him. I had 7% of him.
So I guess even slightly underweight, but I I still think
this is a guy like you look at his role, 60% of the rush
attempts, all the inside, the five carries on what should be a
top ten, top twelve NFL offense the rest of the way.
I think the touchdown lock could could break his way.
I don't think he's going to be some league winner like he was
in that year with the Raiders, but.
I'm on I'm on team poke here. I mean, the the offense just put
up what, 4 touchdowns through the air.
So, you know, if the if he scores two of those on the
ground with one yard, the punch insurance were like, Oh my God,
Josh Jacobs is a league winner. So I think it's, yeah.
It's a little bit like the the Bijan thing.
With you like you could have taken, you could have taken
Christian Kirk instead of him so.
Yeah, anytime you can take the slot only wide receiver on the
Jacksonville Jaguars, you just you just got to hammer it a.
Lot of that Trevor Lawrence, man, he's going to eventually
he's going to be good, right? He's a generational quarterback
prospect. He has to eventually be good.
His taking his receivers is good process, right?
It's surely this is not going to blow up in her face again.
The thing about Trevor Lawrence is like, I, I don't really like,
I think I stand in the middle was between the people that say
he's terrible and the people who want to make like an excuse for
him every game. Because you do watch the games
and both last year and this year, Jaguars wide receivers
love dropping the ball on Trevor Lawrence.
They they absolutely love. There were four yesterday, but.
What if he several in the end? Zone 2:00 What if he just throws
the the most dropable ball in the NFL?
Have you thought? Of that wouldn't explain the
interceptions. I think, I think Trevor Lawrence
is going to be in the NFL for 16 years and we will still have
never decided if he's good or bad.
I think he could. Have his that's exactly.
Right, Matt Stafford moment. Eventually, I think there's a
chance of that. He he does not have the arm
talent that Stafford does, but yes.
Yeah, Stafford's a pretty good comp.
Stafford. Stafford's.
I mean, he was, he was the biggest loser.
Like Stafford was like he's always hurt.
His team's always lose. Like when they when the Rams
traded for Goth everyone wanted to say or when the Rams traded
for him with the golf trade everyone said the Rams lost that
trade, said it was stupid. This would be a funny trade.
Trade Trevor Lawrence the lines for Jerry Goff and throw him
back. So like my and my.
Lines are not accepting that trade.
No, no, I'm not saying that's realistic.
I'm just saying that'd be a funny way for Jerry Golf.
See my my my gut instinct to that is oh fucking lines would
be way better. I was just my.
Wives would not accept it. Yeah, well, no, they wouldn't
want to ruin the. Bible No, they of course they
wouldn't accept it. But yeah, I I think something
like that Trevor Lawrence going to a new situation, I don't
know, or like, can they get Ben Johnson to coach the team next
year? Can they get like?
Ben Johnson, the Patriots, man. Come on.
I mean, you don't have to sell me on that.
I'm I'm all in on that. I don't know if Robert Kraft has
enough money, enough cash to pay Ben Johnson.
He's already handed out too many like contract extensions to
Devante Parker and Juju for no reason.
So that might be tricky to get the the cash on hand for that
one. But if he's able to come up with
it, man, we. We should talk about the juju
just miss Shuster 7 for 130 game.
Just just real quick while we're here, is that the most stunning
single game performance you can imagine?
It was like it was like the Richie James 9 for 180 game.
I I couldn't. I was at a.
Concert wasn't even stunned. Man, I'm just like, Oh yeah,
Juju switch history went back to the because I mean, Kareem hunts
leading the backfield. Like they're literally just
going. They're just rewinding the
clock. I don't even know what to think
of it. I will say I I so I'm doing a
waiver show coming up with Hayden and we're going to have
to talk about Juju. Unfortunately, like his big
play, so his like 50 yard play or whatever he ran.
He runs a dig route first man coverage.
The Saints defender completely falls down.
Juju just has to catch the ball and run for 30 yards.
So I don't know if you want to give him credit for that.
And then the rest of it is like all this weird Kelsey Rashi Rice
stuff for like the wide receiver doesn't even run a route.
He just like runs and turns around.
And it's just on the same page with Mahomes and catches the
ball. Like that sort of weird stuff
that you really only see like Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes,
maybe like Matt Safford and Cooper Cup a little bit like
when the wide receiver doesn't even run a route and he catches
the ball. That's the stuff they're giving
to Juju. So I don't know he's until they
make a move at wide receiver. Like I think he's a weekly wide
receiver 3IN fantasy, right? Like.
Juju or or Videl if you have to if you have to pick one up off
waivers this week. I do.
Juju, I mean it depends what you need obviously, but I don't know
like what what's what's stepping in here besides the trade and
stopping Juju from just scamming his way to wide receiver 3
status? Worthy Worthy developing.
Worthy. Just.
But that's only one. Like the thing I guess with that
is Celtic too. Cuz there's now he's the number
three he's because I mean, like we, we know like the number
three on the Chiefs historically has not been like a smash, you
know, So I guess in the number two spot, like that's pretty
good. But I think Worthy will continue
to develop. So like the Chiefs just had
their buy would it really surprise you if they come back
and and worthy starts to get more of these option route close
to the line of scrimmage crosser would not would not surprise me
one little bit now we. Should.
Now you can of course, you also should not take me as a reliable
narrator because that would be good for me.
But I'm just thinking in terms of like, how does this team win
a Super Bowl? How does this team get from the
point here we're like, yeah, they're five and O and it's all
jokes and everything. But like, they, I, they can't
possibly, they can't get away with it.
They cannot think that they can win a Super Bowl.
Would you just miss Shuster and Kelsey getting 16 targets a
game? That's challenge accepted from
Andy Reid right there. He says, watch this, buddy.
I don't know Worthy. I think Worthy can get more
involved. The thing for me that I can't
shake is that they're going to have Justin Watson out there
running 80% of the routes and earning 0 targets.
So even if Worthy earns more, I mean, Cream Hunt's not going to
be a huge target earner. Like it's just like, I, I know
target vacuum and whatever, it doesn't always hold up, but for
this situation, I feel like it applies with Juju.
Like who? Honestly, who else is?
Well, I mean he has value. I must say he doesn't have
value. I just think the bigger upside
swing would be by Dell there, but.
You know. What I generally agree.
Is they just go really heavy on the 12 personnel and it's Noah
Gray, Noah Gray. Noah Gray becomes like a 75%
route share guy, like Likely and Andrew type stuff.
I mean, they were playing, they ran I believe three different
snaps in 14 personnel. It's the first time 14 personnel
had been run in the NFL this season and they ran like 1/4 of
their plays at a 13 personnel, which like no one does, which is
just Andy Reid is just, he is just fucking having a laugh,
man. He is just, he is just having a
laugh. It is hilarious because I I was
looking into this, Davis. Like you look at the route rates
for the Chiefs wide receivers in week five.
You have Yeah, where where are they at 80%?
Then Juju only at 66% and Watson at 70%.
So you're like, oh, OK, three-part time wide receivers.
Like where's the wide receiver four that has 60% of routes as
well to make this all make sense.
And there's no one because it's it's just fucking tight ends.
It's 14 personnel. Wiley and Jodie 4I mean.
Exactly. Yeah, it's, it's absurd.
Jodie Fortson, technically you could he he was a wide receiver
in college, so maybe you could classify him as that guy.
But it is. It is insane.
Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I think a move for one of these
disgruntled wide receivers is still in play.
I don't think it's Devante, though, right, Davis?
I think it would be like it's. Got to be Amari at this stage,
it's got to be because if the Browns, if the Browns are not
going to be serious about their season, they should at least let
Amari be. No, but they're doing the whole
thing that they're pretending. They're pretending it's going to
get better. They can't trade with Amari.
I mean even this week they just they stopped with the Prairie
yards to Amari. I think it's going to be
someone, it could be someone like Gross that we're we don't
really want to talk about too. It could be like Adam Thielen on
the Panthers makes some sense. Kendrick Bourne on the Patriots
makes some sense like. Happened to Hunter Renfro.
This was this was his moment here.
It had to be something non football related because there's
not really an explanation for. We haven't heard from him,
right? Yeah, yeah, I, I am.
I mean, he was in 20/21. He was the wide receiver 9.
I think that there's something to this idea of like the tiny
pop gun slot wide receiver archetype is like a little bit
dying out in the NFL because teams want a big slot wide
receiver that can help with blocking and and stuff over the
middle like bring me bring me trail Beasley like.
Yeah, trail in birds. You don't see a ton of the Cole
Beasley Hunter Renfro types, not like Mondale.
Robins still exists, Pop Douglas still exists.
Like these guys aren't completely dead, but I do think
in this. Element though on a roster?
Man that's so weird to me. I agree.
It's I agree it's weird. It doesn't fully explain it, but
it I think the NFL has shifted a little bit away from so much
heavy 11 personnel, so much like pass heavy looks where they need
like the block they they're looking for, like blocking out
of slot wide receivers more I think explains part of it.
But anyways, we're getting into Hunter Renfro takes that means
it's time for the show to end. I think we've done this two
weeks in a row now. So we'll we'll actually start
the show next week with talking about Hunter Renfro after we
talk about Russell Wilson's calf.
That'll be the second segment on the show.
Anyways, yeah, we'll be back next Monday doing the same
thing. Maybe we'll we'll mix up the
show a little bit. I think this this format has
maybe gotten close to running it's course.
We'll think about some creative ways to spice it up next week.
ANYWAYS, rest of the week on ship chasing channel obviously
got stat chasing sack, who I see is in the chat here and Trico.
They do awesome stuff every Tuesday night going deep into
advanced stats across all fancy relevant positions.
So be sure to check that out and then ship cast obviously every
Thursday at any details on that? You guys still figuring that out
this week still. Figuring it out, but yeah,
it'll, it'll be a good one. And yeah, check out all the
stuff that legendary upside. And yeah, check out the ship
cast on Thursday. Awesome.
And Davis, what do you have going on this week?
I know you have a stream right after this, is that right?
Yeah, so if you just, if you just leave your your cute little
YouTube window open, you will you will head on over to my
channel in 30 seconds. And we will we're going to look
at some data. We're going to look at some ass,
which I expect 80 Mitchell to have the best average separation
score separation, whatever of of the week.
And yeah, we're we're going to we're going to cope.
We're going to bag the time. It'll be a good time.
Awesome, looking forward to you explaining how Jalen Polk looks
so good in that metric because I'm still trying to figure that
one out. Anyways guys, fun show.
We will be back next week. Have a good week everyone.