All right, it's Thursday. Ship cast going up here.
We got a fun game. Lions and Packers.
We got some Pickems dialed up. Hopefully you guys were able to
grab those when we posted them in the Discord and on Twitter
earlier. Our friend, or dare I say our
foe, Chess Liam, will be joining us in the second quarter.
We tend to like to book a guest who has some kind of relation to
the game happening. Liam famously called the Lions a
budding dynasty, so we'll get his early review.
A few games into this 2023 season, we're gonna have Steph
swing by again. Give us a recap, a week for
waivers and how our high stakes teams are doing.
Spoiler We got one team in the top ten of the main event.
It's the Ship Cast $300.00 giveaway tonight if we can hit
our core picamentry. Let's do it, Pat Fryer homos.
This is what This is What I'm hot Anita.
Hint hand job. Fix your side, Jamar.
And also play chase are. You kidding me?
You can't handle the heat. It looks like we're finally at
this point. You're right.
Did you guys see little Wayne led the the Packers out of the
tunnel just now? Yeah, I always forget I have to
get the game up on my I did not see that.
That's great. If I had like a normie NFL or
fantasy Twitter account, I'd quote retweet it and say Packers
by 1,000,000. By a million.
Dude, I do not. I mean, come on, that was a
missed opportunity. All right, Lions got the ball
first, though Speaking of of by a million, our, our core Pickem
is it's kind of playing the Lions to win, right?
What do we what do we end up? Yeah, I think so.
Yeah. Let me pull this up.
Someone in the chat already asked.
They want to get the behind the scenes of talking about how we
settled on this one. I think we all contributed.
One of these. Yeah, one of these pics I did
you flag the. Actually, no, That was Pat.
I didn't. Yeah, I did too.
Actually. I took one in our larger 5
pickup. I took the David Montgomery
over. That's right.
But this was one I I I started off.
I think the chat when I said. It's a tough one.
It's a tough one to do the Highers and lowers on the
Packers players when we don't really know Aaron Jones and
Christian Watson's full snap share and range of of playing
time. Pat came in with some great
feedback and some great commentary on the game and one
of his thoughts was that that Musgrave was a nice way to play
the Green Bay side. You know for these pickups you
do have to play one from each side.
So we love the Muscat Grave one our five pick pickup.
Is 4 Lions in the Musgrave play because it is tough to take the
Packer side. But Pete you had a great call on
the the Marvin Jones lower as well.
Yeah well partly we we already established I think it was week
one right that you got to throw 1 lower in there to establish
you actually no ball that you're not just a fish.
But like Marvin Jones hasn't had a target since week one.
He was 58% of the routes, week 159, week two and then dropped
all the way down to 29% last week in no targets as we get an
interception here to start the game.
But my my thought here is like it's a it's a painful sweat,
right? Because it's one catch to Marvin
Jones and it's ruined. So we're going to have to sweat
that the whole game. But he seems completely
deemphasized. I mean even like Antoine Green
is out here running more or running some routes here along
Khalif Raymond, Josh Reynolds. So I think we can we can maybe
survive it here. That's dope.
I took the under in this game as well.
So yeah, fantastic to just give Green Bay and part of it was
thinking that Green Bay might not actually be that good or
score very well. So let's just set him up for the
what, the 15 yard line You went out of bounce.
Yeah, that's a great. That's awesome for the Under.
Some of the Lions would get ahead and run the ball and now
they're going to be behind and they're going to go full Lions.
And although the run the ball thing is more for our five,
yeah, here's our five pick 1. So it's the same.
It just has a Manra higher 6 1/2 receptions and David Montgomery
higher than 50 rushing yards. So that's the only thing.
I guess we kind of, yeah, we we want more of a a lion script.
I was trying to figure out why I was so behind on that
interception, but it's because I'm on Prime Vision to get.
You can't be on Prime Vision. You're just.
Late on all the action. Yeah, Prime.
Fiction's great, though. They got to Add all those
graphics, you know, and slows it down.
And slows it down, yeah. What are you guys watching?
I haven't made you jump over to the Spanish broadcast yet.
That might just be a one bit of season kind of thing, but I'm
feeling. I was watching the next Gen.
until you guys both said you didn't love the interception and
golf was dropping back on my screen and I was like, I go into
the other screen. Yeah, I'm watching the regular.
Did you guys think it was weird that Lions were 1 1/2 point Rd.
favorites in the spot, or did you think that checked out?
I thought that checked out personally, and I ended up
taking the Lions as well over stealing lines.
My my thought there was, I mean, the Packers needed a big
comeback last week to beat the Saints at home, and in part
because Derek Carr left the game, they lost to the Falcons.
Their only real win that's been even, you know, moderately
impressive was the Bears win in week one.
But the Bears look. Obviously horrible.
The Lions meanwhile, have been. I mean, it was a little odd to
see the Lions favored to win this division when they haven't
won it in like 30 years or whatever, but they have been
mostly as advertised that the best team in the Division I
think so far. Without question they beat the
Chiefs on the road in the in the opener.
They played a tough back and forth game with Seattle.
They lose that one in overtime, then they win last week.
A nice like, low scoring, comfortable win.
Their line's really good. They've been able to run the
ball and win these, like, low scoring games against the Chiefs
and then last week against the Falcons.
They're good. Like, they're like a legit good.
Did you guys got anywhere? Against the Seahawks, they kind
of got tight there. They were very, very run heavy
in that game and I think could have won it if they weren't.
Yeah. Did you guys worry about any,
like, slight negative correlations on this five pick
entry as far as just like Gibbs, higher receiving yards, more
negative game script, Montgomery more positive?
For sure. I, I I did, yeah.
And I almond rock receptions as well like you just a lot of that
just going to come down to pass attempts, but I mean you can
still see this. Script where they're running the
ball, they're they're having long drives, 1214 play drives.
We're seeing a lot of that are on the NFL, obviously, and Amman
Ross catching some short passes as well as Montgomery racking up
rushing. None of these are really high
lines, Gibbs. Getting over 17 1/2 receiving
yards just seems like a really. Low number for somebody as good
as him. Yeah, yeah.
I think a big part of it was like, I was thinking that the
pass rush might be a problem for Detroit, the Packers pass rush.
And so this is like they get the ball quickly and they run the
ball right. It did seem to like the way
Gibbs is usage work last week. It seems like they were kind of
out of sorts for how they wanted to deploy him.
And then hoping with Montgomery back that they could get him
back and just focusing on funneling him a lot of targets.
Because it seemed like they they've tried to give him a lot
of the between the tackle stuff last week and it wasn't quite
going as well as maybe we would have hoped.
Yeah, I mean. This, this sets up very well for
him to be used as an outlook receiver I think.
So that's that's the way we wanted to play up.
Yeah. Some questions about A J Dillon
in the chat. We did consider taking his
under. Yeah, Patrick Taylor, but it was
very last week it was very low. So we were like, no, it seems
like a bummer of a sweat. So we didn't end up doing it,
but it was like 30, so low. Yeah, it was like 33 yards.
And you mentioned Taylor played last week, but really they, I
think they. The the other backs the Emanuel
Wilson is it also also played a little they they took some
routes as well. Dylan still had 11 carries out
of 16 total running back carries.
So like the rushing under does like so he the the rushing under
I think was 33 1/2 yards. He rushed 11 times for 33 yards
last week. Like 3.0 yards per carry.
Not good, but still was like right at that number.
Like it's just like this is not a fun sweat.
It's not cuz you don't know how healthy Aaron Jones is, right?
Aaron Jones is like healthy then I feel pretty good about that
under. But if he's not then we're like
oh I kinda thought we lost that one.
Yeah, kind of feel like the play was probably the over on Dylan,
just because like all it takes is a 110 yard run and you know,
all this average is like 3 1/2 yards a carry on, you know on 8
carries or something. There's also the like feeling
like an idiot equity where it's like Dylan looks so bad and then
you bet is higher and then you're watching him play bad and
you're like, I just watched him do that.
Why? Why?
And I think this game was going to be different.
That's called playing beat, yeah.
But at least you what you win when you win is so much greater,
right, when you when you're contraried with that versus like
these binary outcomes I. Think I'm gonna have Justin
Fields as a cover Boy of the Walkthrough this week, so love
it. He was.
He's one of my hidden gems. I wrote up for the the Battle
Royale cuz he's going outside the top six Qb's too.
Wow. OK, yeah.
I don't do battle royales till Friday, so I'll be.
I'll be hammering, yeah, it seems.
I feel like that game. It's either.
Is the Broncos defense exploitable?
I don't know. We.
Have some a little leaky and I mean Patrick's like shut down
quarter, you know, just completely shuts down one entire
side of the field so that the entire other side is completely
wide open from Miami. Yeah, no one else is on that.
Side of the field, Unfortunately it's just.
You guys see that picture where there was like 7 Broncos on the
ground at once? Yeah, that's in the walkthrough.
Your tweet's in the walkthrough too, where you're like.
You're just like, what are you talking about when Mike McDaniel
ran out the score? Like, what is he supposed to do?
Yeah, yeah, the whole they just gave him touchdowns.
Like they weren't even trying. Yeah, the the other the other
thing that was hilarious about that stuff.
Although I think that one initial report was from the The
Bad Boy of Scoops. Not necessarily a reliable
narrator. I got a couple bunch of people
mentioned that to me. I was like, you know what?
I should have checked this before, but also this is doing
numbers. I'm gonna leave it up.
I don't care the but it's like Robbie Chosen scored a touchdown
on you. They are trying to play their JV
team. This is like when you're up 30
points with your starters and you like bring in all the
freshmen. Like when I came in the game as
like a 5 foot two guy and they're like, all right, we're
blown about. Peter can come in as a freshman
and like Chuck up a 3. It's like what?
What do you mean? And then you get mad at me for
hitting the three. It's like if Robbie Chosen is
running loose in your secondary. Yeah.
No. Congrats on the three though.
Thank you. Dude, do you know what was so
embarrassing about that? The football team came and like,
put me on their shoulders as like, Rudy after that.
And I was just like, I was excited to hit a three, but it
was also just so embarrassing. That's.
Amazing. Yeah, that's.
That's amazing. You were a.
Freshman at the time, yeah. I mean, that's cool.
As a freshman, I was like the little mascot that got to like,
suit up and then just never went in and let him stop by like 30.
All right, here we go. It's only like 3 yards, but
we're we're making moves. He looked super explosive on a 9
yard run a minute ago and then Montgomery ran for like 2 yards
to get the first down. But Gibbs just.
I mean, he's got a different gear.
Yeah, he really does. Even though we don't have any
direct action on him in our pickums, I am very excited to
watch the continued ascendance of Sam LaPorte tonight.
Yes, the lines are so fun. They have so many fun players.
Like I'm even like vaguely into David Montgomery this year and I
didn't ever like David Montgomery and the Bears.
But it's just the Lions are fun. Doesn't matter who's out there
they are. Although I I can't get there
with like Josh Reynolds, like Khalif Raymond.
Like, yeah they're not fun, but it it is great cuz like.
OK, you have Jared Goff, right? You didn't even want Jared Goff.
You had to as part of the Stafford trade.
Now he's your quarterback, all right?
What do we do? Well, let's get him like a slot
rush sever who just gets open immediately and then he'll baby
kittle. Dude, that I shades of Kittle
right there for sure. That was a Kittle play for sure.
God, he's a beast. He's like George Kittle if
George Kittle earned consistent targets.
That was the old fantasy douche line where it's like you make
the comparison to someone who's like, really good except for
like the one flaw his his quote would always be he's like people
would be like, he's like Jay Cutler but without the mistakes.
And you're like, and you should be like.
That's pretty much the perfect quarterback.
Like if you have Jake Cutler's arm and like accuracy and not
making mistakes. Oh, baby, there's almond Roth.
Yeah. OK, let's go.
That was a fun drive. That'll work.
That was a great drive because Under's not going to have a
shot, but you know the Lions are going to win.
So that'll be fun. Yeah, two big plays right there.
La Porta and Amanra back-to-back.
What was that like? 50-5 yards of chunk plays there
in 2? No, you took the under on the
game total. Yeah, well, that was.
Did he just? Did the cornerback just slip?
Douglas was on the ground. He did a like a curl double move
and he spun it around into like a.
Oh. He was acting like he was going
to do a curl and in the corner trying to jump the route, he
bumped into the is that Quay Walker, the linebacker going
into the flat. He bumped into him, which kind
of propelled them on the spin move.
The double totally just got him to bite on the double move.
That was nice. Well, I man the the only bummer
about this is Liam's going to come in real hot with a lot of
told you so's about this dynasty you.
Know Well, they beat the Chiefs week one.
I mean, that runs hot, you know? Yeah.
He runs hot and we won't. We won't bring up the Bears
dynasty calling there. We'll just bring up the lions.
What? No, just the Lions.
The wheezy running him out of the tunnel video.
I'm just seeing it for the first time.
Somebody tagged us on Twitter with a package by a million
tweet which is fantastic. I it's great.
He's like running like. Very odd.
And then he turns. Around and just to like give
high fives and he's a lot smaller than everyone.
When I first saw that video I thought it was like, I'm not
kidding, it looks so unreal that I thought it was like a green
screen or or like edited in. Post Yeah this is probably the
like Nickelodeon package or something.
Right, right. It looks like like it was like
from a movie or something, You know, like they're like, they're
staging a scene. I'm gonna check this out.
It's in your act. Is that the easiest way to find
it? Yeah, it's in your Twitter
notifications. It's fantastic.
Yeah, we need it. We needed a Monroe to to get
rolling here because the the, the, the, the retrospective
battles about the 1-2 turn picks with a Monroe, Garrett Wilson.
Devonte Adams has been heating up lately.
Friend Mike Leone had a little little vague victory lap of a
tweet about Devonte Adams there. And yet, well, Adams is.
About Gary Ellens. Looks good.
Yeah. Looks pretty good.
I I took kind of an L on Adams and I had a whole thing about
not taking early L's in this week's stealing signals.
But I took a bit of an L on Adams.
I mean I think you he's really good at football.
It's kind of like that's what you're trying to say this
offseason. Pat every time I do want to take
him, you're like he's still on to Adams.
I don't know if you know. He's going in the second round
and he's Devonte Adams. That was the bull case.
It was the whole case. It's pretty good bull case as.
It turns out. Are we getting a Boyer this
week? Wilson's a fucking.
He's amazing. So it just sucks that we lost
Aaron Rodgers for that one. Yeah, dude, we'll just never get
a seat. I mean, I'm already counting
that as a win on the fact that he caught that first.
Game 1TD, like this one, handed it, and then Game 2TD takes a
slant 68 yards of the If he can get touchdowns in consecutive
weeks with Zach Wilson at quarterback, then he's obviously
the best receiver in the NFL. I mean, I think there's just no
question. Yeah, that's objective.
Do you, do you guys have a read? Do you think you think Garoppolo
is going to miss and we're going to get Hoyer?
Yeah, I do. You think he's going to miss?
Seems like it it's. A concussion, right?
Man, if Adams puts up a 30 with Hoyer at QB, because then you'll
have done it. He'll have done it last year
with Car, then Stidham, then Garoppolo, and then it would be
Hoyer. And then they'll move on to
Aidan O'Connell, and then he'll do it with Aidan O'Connell.
That's amazing, Pete. This ends with you throwing the
Devonte Adams. I would love to.
We'll carry you off the field. Yeah, you will, but in a very
different capacity because I will.
By asking the intakes into the ground because you.
Will be broke unconscious. But before as long as you Chuck
it up, Adams will get it. Before your bones are smashed
into dust, please get the ball to Adams.
I would. I would tell you that if I got a
few snaps at NFL quarterback, I would not have a Sam Howell
problem. I would be getting the ball out
well before I took a sack. Now the ball might be hitting
the the hot dog vendor, but the ball would be out before I take
that back. You might be a little Blaine?
Gabber asked. Could you remember that throw
the 49ers where he spun around and threw it, flung it
backwards? And.
I've just hit a DB in the chest. I mean, it was like a contested
play, but that was a I don't know that we want this to be
like a blowout, though. Like, no, I don't.
Yeah. How people are wondering what
you're eating tonight, Pat. That was a pizza.
It was Brittany got. It was like one of these.
I didn't. I hadn't eaten all day.
And then all of a sudden, Brit showed up with a slice of pizza.
I was like, Oh my God, Mom. So yeah.
Happily ate that. And then she came back with
another one. It was some kind of like
Margarita style pizza. We found this pizza spot around
here that's like very good. Nice, so.
Yeah. The Packers are.
They look bad right now. Yeah.
There's a holding on that play. There was a shovel pass to a
player who was blocking. It was AJ Dillon.
The play prior, they took a second first down.
On 2nd down he was trying to throw a slant and Romeo Dobbs
and threw it way behind him and just hit the DB right in the
chest. That was the three of the worst
plays you'll ever see, back-to-back to back.
I don't Danny just had a tweet that just kills me because like
the Packers haven't had like even one successful first out.
But Danny's tweet says I see Aaron Jones is quote, UN quote
active. We are we do live in peak
overreaction age here it's it's really true.
You're muted. Pat I.
Was the same we really do. It's crazy.
Curious. You said he's active and yet he
hasn't touched the ball at your 3 plays.
I went in, I tried to like, blame it on on, not blame it on.
But I turned it into like a generational and societal
conversation. Why is it like this?
Yeah, no, I enjoyed that in stealing signals.
I did too. It is tough though cuz it's
tough not to be like we have all the answers now.
This is it. Yeah, it does.
I mean, I want to do it too. Yeah, difficult to do now.
Yeah, it really is. By like week five or six, you,
you like stop pairing it so much about the new games and you like
you just have like a bigger, higher level picture.
But those first few weeks, it's so hard not to just be like the
answers are here. But while I get that, I felt
like Principal Skinner, like that's the kids that are wrong.
What are you gonna say, Pete? No, there was there was like
between your posts and then I I saw our guy easy from the
Deposit Kingdom Pat. He had look pulled up your
lineup and looked at it last year after four weeks or
whatever and just showing how like if you would have looked at
that team after four weeks, you would have been like, this one's
done $25 donation to to underdogs probably.
That's exactly right. It finished second.
It didn't get hot until. The last three weeks someone,
someone in the summer was like, here's how you go to Best Mania.
Simply score your three highest scores of the entire season in
weeks 1516 and 17. Right.
That is easy game. Yeah, easy game.
That's literally how the tournament works.
Yeah, exactly. That's the whole point.
That's what Pete talks about all offseason, is the the
correlating those, those important weeks.
Yeah, no, but that's that's, I think that's a great way of
looking at it too. I hadn't seen that post yet in
the Posit Kingdom, but looking at what Pat's team was through a
few weeks, I mean, I have that team that's in the top 100 right
now of overall scoring and I'm like not even, I couldn't be
less excited about that team. Like, it's like kind of a cool
little footnote. But there's no way, like, I've
just played fancy football for so long.
There's no way that what's happened through three weeks is
going to hold enough that that team is even remotely close to
the top at the end. Like, it's just that's not how
football seasons go. And I like every time I read
those tweets that you're like, you're talking about.
I'm just like I wanted like I want to building Madison these
people and like. Never grow up like what were you
talking about? Like this is crazy.
The problem is too though is like they venture into because
overreacting is fun. You know it's kind of like
trolley shit posting he And so that if you actually try to
reason with and be like, well you know we're playing a long
season we're our teams were trying to peek and then like I
was just joking man. I was just like I know it's
gonna be fine. I know Eric Jones is gonna get a
snap and on the next drive it's fine man.
It's fine. Yeah, I have people.
So far I've been trolled on Brees Hall as if I'm taking a
Big L on Brees Hall, like which what what?
I didn't draft enough. My friends like to have more
police. Like I feel like process wise, I
didn't draft enough and then like I would still rather have
more than I have. I think even now that that's a
little hope that that something works out quarterback wise, but
I just think talent wise, everything's kind of going the
way we want. But that's one.
And I made a reference to this this week.
But I did bold predictions at the beginning of the year just
because I did them last year and people were asking for him
again. And I don't really like bold
predictions. My specific Breece Hall bold
prediction was he's a top three running back from week 8 on
because they had a week 7 by like.
And obviously I'm not the only one who's saying that.
The point is, like, we were all saying this stuff, right?
Like that was the whole point. He's going to be post Week 7 by.
That's what we're looking at. That's what we're earmarking for
Breece Hall. And through three weeks you guys
wanted to Vic and also Aaron Rodgers stores Achilles, which
obviously doesn't help the offense and the play and
anything. No, that's bad.
It's just very bad. It's crazy, you know?
But you know what? Any part of it is.
I think it's because we get spoiled by some of these
surprise fast starts, right? Like, you watch Puka Nakua, you
watch Tank Del and you're like, why isn't JSN doing that?
Why? Why isn't Breece Hall doing
that? Like, I want to have my cake and
eat it too. I drafted this for the late
season surge and yet I'm seeing some of these guys that are
crushing now and could be crushing at the end of the
season. Why don't I have that?
I'm seeing what you have it and I want that for me.
I love that for you, but I would really appreciate if it was.
Just for me. I'd much prefer it for me.
Who was that? Was that Marvin?
Jones was Josh Rattleston, boy. Look.
It up that jersey. He fell, rolled and then kept
going. Which is why I thought it was
Marvin Jones was the fall of the rolling.
Yeah, I don't now I need to figure out what.
Is an edge. What numbers Marvin Jones these
days? Is it 0 or is it 11?
What? His.
Own feet. That's great. 11 is Khalif
Raymond. Raymond OK, so is he.
Is he 0? Marvin Jones used to be 11 on
the Lions, but it looks like he's maybe 0 now.
He might be 0. That that sounds right, which is
hilarious. Comes back to the Lions and he's
like, hey, khalif, can I get my number back?
There's some. There's a little David
Montgomery, 6 yarder. We need a I mean, I think he's
going to get 14 carries tonight. Keep it this way.
Did you guys see that the number went down on the Marvin Jones
from when we I think it was down like a couple yards?
We thought it might, Yeah, that's 40.
I will say, if you're trying to make sure you get good CLV on
our pickups, we do post them in the Discord ahead of time before
they go to Twitter. We try to give the Discord
peeps. The first number there, the
Musgrave one, moved pretty quickly too.
We got lucky. Cuz.
Your response to that was hilarious, cuz we were talking
through that. We're like, is this gonna move
really quick? Like, whose options should play
in the Marvin Jones thing? And you're like the like famous
last words. But like it's really, Does he
catch a pass or not? Right.
Is it gonna be 13 yards or 14 yard pass?
And it's yeah, it does seem super binary cuz it's gonna be
like a 16 yard catch if he has one.
Yeah, Settlement told us that Marvin Jones was going to start
the game but get pulled at halftime for Antoine Green, so
that's why we felt comfortable with.
That. We got we got lucky with the
Musgrave thing because we when I first looked at it, I was like
38 1/2 ooh Goff showing the wheels.
Oh, the cutback took a big shot for no reason.
Right on his left shoulder, At least not his throwing shoulder.
Yeah, it's so PSX says it went all the way down to 11 1/2.
So we've done 3 yards. That's again, it's probably a
meaningless number, but it is funny that it kept going down.
Nice to see you guys are all tailing us.
Remind me. We will.
So for those of you guys who are maybe new to this, we are doing
a regular giveaway. When we hit our pick 'em core
entry. So our three picks, we're going
to give away this week's $300.00.
But fear not, even if we don't hit it, if Marvin Jones, you
know, miraculously catches a ball, it'll just roll over to
next week. So next week's giveaway would be
$400.00. So the prize pool is always the
same. It's just how it's getting doled
out. Ideally we would like it to be
doled. Out every week in 100.
Dollars. We're doing well, but it's not.
But we also wanted to, we wanted to bring back the Pete GIF going
up, up, up, up, up. So we're just trying to get that
that pot up, up, up, that's right.
We got the the halftime ones as well.
Last week we hit on the big Wandell Robinson three pick.
That was money. We're going to need the chat to
be paying attention. There's a David Montgomery TD.
We're going to need the chat to be paying a little bit of
attention for us and sending out those Nathan Yankee tweets about
how much Christian Watson and Aaron Jones are playing in this
first half, because that's I think that'd be pretty big for
our halftime place. Yeah, great call.
Jared, we have to get a snap timer to sync with you guys.
I I brought like 99% of this show isn't going to be.
Play by play stuff guys, but I understand.
This is a companion. It.
Is you know you can have the you can have the volume of the game
on have also on a little louder and it worked out.
So, Gibbs, let me pull up what we're looking at here so far.
At first, Aman Ross St. Brown catch was behind the line
of scrimmage, so I don't think it it logged as a catch because
he just has one reception on the touchdown.
I think he's only had, he's only caught the ball one time.
The other one was Gibbs, I think.
I thought he had one where he caught it behind the line of
scrimmage, but maybe that was someone else.
Gibbs 3 receiving yards. It looks like Khalif Raymond has
a catch from -2 yards that might have.
Been oh, maybe that's the one I'm seeing.
Gotcha. Yeah.
So yeah, slow, slow going here, but I would say decent script.
It'd be nice if a Manra had a couple more catches.
He's probably the one I'd be most worried about from a game
script perspective. Yeah, they might only throw like
21 passes in this game. They're already at 7:00.
But yeah, if the Packers don't want to play, they're gonna run.
Yep. They've been showing that, Pat.
You were saying that in your little mini walkthrough.
They've been showing a little bit of a willingness to run.
They got a good offensive line. They drafted a running back 12th
overall. They signed another running
back. They're gonna be a running team
when they're leading, yeah, shortened games, a little bit of
a willingness. They're it's like they're right
behind the Falcons and their commitment to the wrong.
Right now, I think they're overly committed to the wrong,
probably. But at the same time, like you
got good runners, you have a good line.
And it's early in the season and you've been able to get some
wins off some of, you know, some of that stuff.
They were able to do it against the Falcons.
They were able to do it against the Chiefs, shorten that game,
keep the ball out of Patrick Mahomes hand.
It's kind of hard to criticize the the couple outcomes that
they've had so far. They'll be games where they're
maybe overcommitted to. You mentioned the Seahawks game
as as the glaring 1 so far that they lost.
Yeah. I mean the the nut outcome for
us is again one of those Luke Musgrave down the seam, big
plays, get that touchdown, get the Lions back with the foot on
the gas. That'd be perfect.
Musgrave feels like a great, great script for that.
Just because we know he's, he's run over 80% of the routes in
all three games so far. He's going to be out there,
right? I mean, they're going to throw a
lot. Yeah part of the the thesis of
play with Musgrave was that Christian Watson might not be
100% mean. It's obviously not he's on a
snap count but maybe he draws coverage away from Musgrave
who's been a downfield threat for the Packers.
You know, and he's he's actually faced a decent amount of double
coverage. Musgrave has.
So and if you're talking about this getting away from the
Packers a little bit, I mean it's still early but if it if it
were to and we're in the second-half and they're.
Chasing in the third quarter like exactly what you just said,
the lines are going to drop back and they're going to cover that
deep stuff even more in the middle of fields going to be
open from us grave, right? Yeah.
So I think Watson felt good for Musgrave to me.
Yeah, he has 50. 25 and 49 yards in his three games so far.
We got him at what, 37? What was the number 37?
Yeah. He's hit that .6 and a half 36
1/2. When we first looked at it, it
was 38 1/2 and we liked it at that and went to want to make
the pick up and it was down at 36 1/2.
So the Packers are establishing it with AJ Dillon right now.
Down down 11, got to establish it.
Thanks for the early night, Green Bay.
I mean, in fairness, they have negative yards of total offense
right now. Jordan loves one for four for 9
yards and has two sacks for 15. And that was their first rush
attempt. So the the 15 sack yardage is
more than his 9 positive pass yardage.
They're still. Talking about the unironically
retweet, Denny's Aaron Jones is active as AJ Still another,
Yeah. Oh, they are in slowest spin
move, positive yards. They're they're into positive
yards. They were at negative.
Negative yards per play, Obviously if they're at negative
yards, but that's just fun. It's about the meanest deal
That's Midwest. Right.
Wow. Kevin Tomkin says A J Dillon is
Midwest Naji Harris? Yikes.
I think that's an insult to Naji Harris, which I don't think I
say a lot of nice things about. All right, look that Musgrave
slips out. Ooh.
I mean, did Dobbs got off his route when he should have kept
going? His love just loves.
Very inaccurate. He's been inaccurate all season.
That's gross. I would like to see if Dobbs
should have kept going on that route, though, because that's
like he's wide open in the middle of the field.
You're pretty clean pocket. Show the receiver.
They're just showing the passer rush.
Come on, guys. How do you miss that on 3rd and
three when he's wide open in the middle of the field?
That's an easy throw. That was bad.
That's bad. I'm going to Prime Vision and
I'm rewinding so I can watch this, so I can know how bad I
think Jordan Love is. Come on, there's in the chat,
there's a tired, but then I'm just sitting here waiting for
someone to put in the wires. You know what I mean?
Here it is. No he did.
He followed it up. Heard me.
Rodgers reaches out to love who he mentored to help him Game
plan wired Rodgers. Cal connection called golf to
give him game plan. There you go.
I think Laird is on that that group message chain with the
with the Cal guys. So there was a photo of Laird
hanging out with Rodgers at some Cal alum event this offseason.
You know who else would be on that wasn't?
Marvin Jones the cow guy. Marvin.
Jones would be on that. No.
Is that right? You tell me.
I think so. Not sure.
Yeah. He went to school there with
Keenan Allen. He went to school there with
Keenan Allen Keen. Allen was like out producing
him. Two years younger than him.
That's Josh Reynolds good. Josh Reynolds Like the the lines
of like 8 guys with the exact same body type and single digit
number and every fucking time I think it's Marvin Jones.
I knew this was gonna be a brutal sweat.
I don't even know what number Marvin Jones is, and I'm he's
the Super. It's not him.
Right. I'm.
I'm feeling pretty great, actually, about this bad beat
because. I mean, this often is really
right now because they're going to play both running backs
sometimes. They're going to play two tight
ends sometimes. I can't imagine Marvin Jones.
I loved your call on the routes, how they've dipped.
Can't imagine he's even playing a lot because they also like to
get Calif Raymond involved. Who's running the ball?
Speaking of. Look at him go.
Man, the problem with these chunk plays is they're ruining
our Yeah Amman rock catches. Midwest, Midwest, Tyreke,
they're calling him. He did.
I didn't know I. Didn't realize Khalif Raymond
had that kind of juice. Yeah, it's fast.
This is dusting, you guys. This is not even Detroit's just
going into Lambo and smacking them around.
They're not facing any resistance.
Guys, First, first quarter stats.
Here's the key stat. Here's the signal from first
quarter. You ready for this?
Yards per play in the first quarter?
Lions 9.7. The Dolphins for the season are
at 8.4. No other teams over 6.2.
That's that's your reference point.
They're at 9.7 in the first quarter.
The Packers are at .10. .194 to one is the total yardage right
now, 194 to 1. Whoo.
That's the kind of dominance I expect from a budding dynasty,
I'll tell you that much. Ooh, this is bad.
This is really bad. Like, why do we have, I mean,
listen, I want to have Lima on the show.
That was always the plan. But why don't we bring him on
for like a boring, you know, like bills upset.
You know bills are getting upset.
We can. We brought him one for him.
Victory lapping. Maybe correctly the Lions
dynasty call. Is there anything better than
when Liam's Victory laughing though?
Like, I don't know if I want to see sad Liam.
I just want to see Liam Victory laughing always.
Yeah, he wouldn't be sad. Has Liam, Has anyone seen Liam
take an L? Like has he taken an L on
anything? I just feel like that would get
awkward too, cuz I don't think he would even.
I'm gonna ask him tonight when Liam comes on, I'm gonna ask him
if he's ever taken an L in his life.
He's got it. He's supposed to be on that one.
When are the Dalton King Cave Bros gonna take to take an L
that they were massive fish. That's right, not drafting Sam
Laporta over Dalton King Cave. Wow.
They're gonna have to be. At the time we're saying just
draft. Sam Laporta is the same bet.
He runs all the routes, so a little counter.
That's what. We'll pin him down on it's true.
We have a lot more Sam Laporta than Kincaid in our our high
stakes portfolio. We have him on the team with
Mike Leone who was trying. He's one of the fish that we're
talking about. Well, the problem, the problem
for Liam and why he got flexed to this show is because it's an
All Star cast of of Bills fans, you know?
The Bills. We got the Go Bills crew.
Lots of competition there, so Liam got flexed to the Lions.
We got flex. I love that we tried.
We tried our buddy Sam Hoppin, who's a Packers fan.
He big timed us. He was going out with friends to
watch the game. He was like, sorry, I already
got plans with friends. I'm like, you gotta cancel those
buddies. What's our game?
Next week. Washington and Chicago was next
week. Oh man.
So we have to have. I told you, you gotta you gotta
reach out to your family too. What'd you say?
Liam on again, Liam on again to talk about the Bears dynasty.
I would say you got to reach out to your boss, Matthew Barrett,
see if he wants to come hang out.
Yeah, Matthew, What other? Who else?
There's a lot of Bears fans. Dink Dink's a Bears fan.
We got all those guys that, yeah, Bears commanders, maybe we
might have to have a drinking game next week.
It'll be a fun one. La porta Sam.
La porta. Oh, I thought we do those.
We do that TV just for our season long bets.
Yeah, yeah, we got we're playing a lot of La Porta.
I looked through our lineups today and I was like just
looking for all the Thursday night stuff, you know, making
sure we got everything set. Obviously steps on top of all of
it. I'm gonna stop doing that pretty
quick, cuz I I'm like still used to checking all this stuff, but
every time I do steps got everything set exactly right.
But we have a. Lot of la porta.
Well, I guess we didn't play La Porta in one league where I
think we played Pitts over, right or no?
Was it was it was Pitts versus Musgrave?
That's right. Yeah.
No, we played. We played Josh Reynolds.
Get out of your break, buddy. I don't think we benched La
Porta anywhere. Good.
All right. Speak of the devil.
The world's? Gonna be mopped up.
Why? Why you laughing Gretch?
I don't know, like, comb your hair.
You're on an important show. What's up guys?
Thanks for having me on this very important show of the.
Stash and your mop top are just funny.
It's a good look. I love it.
I mean, I had to put on the Thursday night best for the the
top show here. Where's your lion's shirt?
Don't own one yet, I will say. The Dynasty take, you know, this
was an offseason program I did with Pat and Davis.
Slow news cycle. I didn't plan that much for that
show. And it was before the NFL draft
where I thought these two teams would eat like I thought the
Lions would go for Richardson. Like, how fun would that be?
Yeah, I would be. So you're you're walking back
your dynasty. Take no, no.
What's great about this is? On the Bears.
My favorite part of this is you're saying you didn't prepare
for a show, didn't have anything ready.
I think most people would be like, I'm gonna keep the claims
kind of pain for a show that I didn't prepare for.
Your answer to that is I'm gonna bring the flamethrower and start
making claims that individual teams are budding dynasties.
I just thought it would be a fun, a fun cycle to try to think
of the the future teams, you know?
It was fun, just not for the reasons you were thinking.
You guys didn't participate? We participated wholeheartedly.
How it's gonna be great when I mean you are.
You sung on everything. How's the Thursday night change
been for you guys? How you liken it or disliking
it? Great.
Yeah. Having glass, yeah.
Do you miss Wednesday waivers or is that a poof?
I don't. We're in a better era.
Everything we did this year was to not.
We hired Steph to run waivers. We moved the show.
We were distancing ourselves from waivers as much as possible
and it's been wonderful. Well, I was happy to.
Why would we miss doing a Wednesday night waiver show?
I mean, God, my life has been so much better through three, three
weeks. We've had some.
I mean, anytime you make a big move, you're gonna have some
people that don't love it. You have a large fan base.
There's gonna be some percentage that, like something I've
learned from doing content for a lot of years, you're gonna have.
10% of your fan base is going to not like it, like any kind of
change and you have to accept that.
And I don't know that we've had even 10% of people not loving
by. You did.
You mean me, you or the like the royal you?
The royal you, anyone, anyone who does anything at any point
just but this. But this is, I don't even really
know where I was going with this other than to say that I feel
like this change for us. I think, and I don't want to
speak for you too, but I think we've talked about it enough
that I can. We are happier with it.
And that's really the reason we did it.
Like, I mean, like not to be like a Dick.
There was a certain level of like we're together in this
miserable thing element of the waver wire show that I do.
You know, I I get why people would miss that because if
you're setting your own waivers and you're kind of grinding the
misery and then we're grinding the misery with you, I get that.
But like, instead of grinding misery, why don't we have fun?
Something you can't relate to anymore, Pat.
That's the thing that was hard, like.
I would not do that, but if you're doing that.
Yeah. No, I.
Mean I get, I mean, we're still, you know, doing teams that have
waivers. But you're right.
I'm not sitting my own leagues. I do for my identity leagues.
And it is. It is misery.
No, I I I tuned in last week. This week I don't.
Pete was like a full minute ahead of my broadcast somehow
and was like telling me like 2 plays I had that interception
was happening. So I was like, all right, well,
that's not, that's not ideal. But no, I think it's fun.
You know, with the Island Games, they can be kind of slow.
And no, it's a fun. It's a fun change.
Yeah, sorry, I'm distracting everyone from this riveting
island game. Yeah, exactly.
I was excited for this game if the Packers were at full
strength. It seems like what I'm watching,
a little bit of All 22 seems like Aaron Jones was.
Active quote, UN quote. You know, like he's not getting
there too much. And Watson's been in and out.
I don't know if he's You're a Christian Watson Bull, right?
You have a ton of him. Yeah, I mean that pick for me at
like the 3-4 turn was just like 50% Watson, 50% Mike Williams.
So RIP Mike Williams, It was looking good for a little bit,
you know and Debo like it was like those three and then
Ramondre ETN like those were like the guys I kind of mixed
in. Oh yeah.
I mean, Oh my God. Oh.
Wow. I am.
Geez. And I will say like as a
Christian Watson bull, there are questions with him, right?
Like, it's not, it's not 100% that he's just gonna be the one
there. It could be this like Reed and
Dobbs and him and Musgrave. I don't know how you guys are
feeling about it. How's your portfolio doing
overall? I don't have a lot of moster,
which was just like. Until like late in the season,
which was just like, you know, like there was some lazy takes
by me, like, you know, oh, I want Mike Williams, not Keenan
Allen. That looks very bad.
Some of that's results oriented. It's being propped up by a lot
of Kyron Williams. I don't have a lot of puka.
I don't know about you guys on the puka train.
No, you're muted, Pat. I.
Didn't know how long, Puka I didn't.
I was out on those guys. Tom Everett Scott got me my only
puka share on one of my last drafts of basketball, man.
Yeah. That's amazing.
I had like a puka week and then I don't know what happened that
week. I had a good week.
You just cycled, grabbed a few times and then just moved on.
Yeah, yeah. I had like 8 puka teams.
I was like, all right, I don't know.
I guess I must have been reading something that week or
something. The the my silver lining on or
my copium on the puka stuff is when I wanted that Rams pick,
whether for like a Stafford or Daniel Jones thing, I was taking
Tutu, and Tutu looks like a really good pick right now,
yeah. I have a lot of.
I'm happy with that, yeah. Yeah, I got.
He was. One of the guys I like late
August was ending drafts with. Oh my God, my God, no one told
you Montgomery was gonna be wearing a dark visor this
season. That's that's a sexy look right
there. Yeah, it is a good one.
Yeah, that's true. I didn't know that either.
Did you put put that into your bottle without a boosted them in
your rank? Slam Now we.
Yeah, that's the, that's a plus on the vibes rank, absolutely.
Sure, yeah. We had many discussions on the
tight ends, the rookie tight ends, this offseason, but one of
the things that came up is that you have your golden retriever
theory of tight ends, which is that you want your tight ends to
be golden retrievers. Famously Kelsey sort of the
archetype of this, you know he. Gronk was.
Gronk is the define golden retriever in this case cuz I I
think I know what you mean but I need your definition.
He's like, he's not that smart. He'll dive over the middle, like
he'll put it all on the line for the team.
Everyone likes him in the locker room.
He's just like really good vibes, you know?
He's like, he's like the embodiment of Gronk, you know,
And you try to, you try to go from the Gronk tree.
And like on the ground tree, Musgrave falls there.
If you look at him a little bit, Kincaid kind of looks like he
looks there, Mayor does not. Mayor looks like evil ski
villain, you know, like he looks like the guy who skis in the
snowboarding movie and is like running over.
It's true. It's true.
Explain what they're they're actual like headshots.
Like what do you mean by like, yeah?
This is this is just looking at headshots and going.
On there. Yeah, no, Mike.
Michael Mayer's headshot is definitely like like, yeah, he's
like a villain in, you know what, this guy's.
Pushing over Johnny Tsunami. You know, like.
Yes. Yeah, this guy's like, yeah,
he's trying to sleep with Johnny.
Tsunami is a great call. He is a villain on some Hawaii
based movie. He's he's like just.
The mean guy. Yeah, OK, so keep going.
Who else fits this criteria? Well, what Pat was bringing up
is and I, although I did. You were very on the fence about
and I think I thought had some some golden retriever vibes, but
you did not seem convinced at the time, and I'm giving you a
chance to revise whether or not Sam Laporta is a.
I drafted a lot of Laporta, so I'm like a mixed feelings here
where I wanted to score a lot of points against.
Me. Even when he's trying to look
serious, he just looks like Jeff Bridges, like every look at all
these smiles. He pull up his first headshot.
This dude is like this dude is his insurance salesman through
and through. Yeah, he does not look like the
football player. No, not at all.
And I mean, good for him, you know?
He's breaking the mold, breaking the breaking long.
Hair. He could be the dude in.
You know, Part 2 of so, but like, you know how we're just
calling him like Baby Kittle because he plays like that.
I mean like George Kittle looks like you would expect George
Kittle to look based on watching and play like George.
LaPorte is not out of Bernie, man.
Yeah. I mean, this is, yeah.
But are we gonna see, like in five years, is Sam LaPorte gonna
look like this? And we're gonna.
Like to go through my? Photos you need What's the early
Kittle pictures? He.
Worked for. Early TJ Hawkinson and then the
current TJ Hawkinson, because that is a transition as well.
Oh man. Yeah, that's.
Right. Oh God, yeah, he's looks
different. TJ Hawkinson right here.
Looks like it's one of those TikTok filters that ages you 20
years, but this is like actually him.
That's a bad picture. Where is TJ Hawkins?
In short hair? Like, what year was he in the
league? Or like what was he a rookie?
20191919 yeah. Oh, look at that first sentence.
I get a. Picture Oh my God, he looks like
reported dude. He looks like.
Reported. Dude.
Yeah. Wow.
So he. Actually looks a lot like
reported. Yeah, he does, man.
He changed a lot. Like look at this.
How it started, How it's going? He's like chubby cheek there and
now he's like, yeah, I don't know, off like a eight day
Bender with Kirk Cousins. Or but Pete, what?
Throw this up, Okay, you had me scared.
Marvin Jones How to. Catch or something too.
What's your What's your guys sweat tonight on the pic?
This is this is George Kittle in in college right here.
I just found on the right #46. OK, George Kittle.
Look at that guy. He looks.
He looks English. He's like an MMA soccer.
Hooligan, yeah. I was George Gittle.
Yeah. I still think a little golden
retriever. Look, he's on his tip toes
there, hugging people. He's like a steampunk, I like.
That that is a good call. Like he can be like in Mad Max
or something, Yeah. We do the Comic Relief though.
Let's see here Liam our sweat. We got Musgrave higher than 36
1/2 receiving yards, Gibbs higher than 17 1/2 receiving
yards, and Marvin Jones lower than 14 1/2.
Like them all. I mean, what would Musgraves
line have been if he had caught any of the touchdowns the past
couple weeks? That he's just like galloping
wide open for you know, and you just barely is missed.
Love brutally missed him down the seam last week.
That would have been like a 40 yard chunk player.
Maybe even a touchdown. You guys ready for the big brain
second-half play? Yeah, yeah.
Christian Watson, Aaron Jones unders.
Because they're down by 21 and they're not going to play.
They're. Going to give up?
That's a. Great big Brain play.
I love that the the underdog team isn't listening to us right
now. Yeah, yeah.
So you're and you gotta you gotta parlay that with the
Samarre to ray over. Right, let's get something to
ray overs, like Reynolds overs. To Ray is 10% owned in the
Showdown slate but his over under on underdog was 3 1/2
yards. So something's gotta give there.
Yeah, man, I know. Those are my.
Favorite sweats for pickhams is
like Jimmy G / 1 rushing yard. You know, like Matt Ryan over a
half a rushing yard where you just like.
Come on, that is a that's a miserable sweat.
I remember way back when, like when the kind of line shopping
tools were first coming out in fantasy labs.
At least that was one of the first ones I was aware of.
And they would, you know, you would sort it by value based on
the available lines. And every single week the
quarterback rushing overs were the ones that would pop, like
every single time. And I was like, all right, like,
you know, at the time I felt like there must be some, like,
hidden edge here that's just exploitable by the bargain.
Just always betting quarterback rushing overs.
I think something was probably just broken with their model or
something. It didn't penalize the hacks or
something, but at the time I'm like, holy cow, no one has
figured this out. No one has figured.
This out Sue Ann mentions that they're booing love in the.
Chat Wow, we obviously. Don't have the sound on, but
that's not great in Green Bay in the second quarter.
That's not how they thought tonight was gonna go, guys.
No, it's not. I thought this Detroit D is a
lot more legit this year compared to last year.
But then they like laid an egg against Seattle.
So that threw me for a loop where you know, like they, you
know. Something good though.
Their secondary, But their secondary was so bad.
And then they signed like a bunch of dudes and drafted some
dudes and Seattle's missing both their tackles that game.
So that that was. Confusing.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Good.
Point. But he did get the ball out in
like 2 seconds like the the Twoa style.
Yeah, Liam, do you play, do you play any of the like inseason
underdog stuff? Do you do like the Battle
Royales and any of that drafting?
Yeah I've I've been doing some of the dog bowls trying to be
like nez my guy party down in Miami.
I didn't do I didn't do last week the four dollar version and
just seem you know I did like two of them but I'll have a
couple in the $50 one. I think it's it's pretty fun the
the Battle Royales I've been doing the pick 'em show just
missed by half a yard on a pick five with a.
Flowers, that was RIP. You know with overtime it's like
what is your process for? For your pickups are just all
vibes. Baby, just scrolling through the
whole lobby and just trying to pick the five we feel best
about. And you know, like it's usually
correlated with with like the other talk like last week my
five was, yeah, it's vibes. It was, let's see, it was Tony
Pauler over rushing yards which hit.
And felt like Manra, you know it was like 70 1/2.
It was over on Jalen Warren receiving yards 15 1/2 that hit
over on DPJ. Like I think the edge early in
the season is to attack these types of lines like the DPJ 27
1/2, rather than choosing a like Justin Jefferson over under like
try to attack these lines of like 15 yards, 20 yards against.
Like spots the markets not adjusted of like Browns will
pass more against the Titans and then over on James Cook rushing
yards. But we missed the flowers by
half a yard rip. All right.
Boots on the ground. Is James Cook ever gonna get a
goal line carry? Liam.
He. Got one So.
So last week he doesn't have one, but last week.
Last week he he got tackled, yeah, he got like tripped and
tackled 3 but also. He had a baby.
He had a baby that week so I thought they were gonna give it
to him and and they did. I think like they they gave it
to him after that and just let him get stuffed.
But then they're like, all right, no, the baby narrative's
not enough and. No, my theory is my theory is as
we move along, the fact that he hasn't scored yet but he's doing
a lot for the team is gonna add pressure.
And he's gonna get more and more opportunity.
So I think that's what the three yard line Kerry was this week
where they wanted to get him one, you know, and I think, I
don't know, I still think he gets five to seven Td's this
year. I don't think it's like he's
gonna get 2 on the whole season. I don't.
Think he'll like get a role like a Chan was getting where he was
like getting like, you know, like the Camaro like flare out.
I think most of his touchdowns are going to be long touchdowns,
but still he'll be in that five to seven range and he's gonna
hit like. I don't know. 15 points per week
without touchdowns, You know, and great.
He also almost had the long TD in the fourth quarter.
He got tackled inside the five. He kind of ran out of steam, but
he had a long run down to like the 2 yard line.
Yeah, he got tripped. It wasn't like.
That close to getting in, cuz there was a bunch of defenders
there, but I mean you get a long run down inside the five like
you could, you know you could at least say that was somewhat
close to a touchdown. And I think part of the, like
running Murray and Harris is like, Buffalo knows those dudes
do not matter, you know, So they're like, OK, let's like
save cook like this played Washington and Las Vegas, you
know, and like destroyed them. So I mean this Dolphins game,
man, that's real, real exciting. How do you guys, this is the
game to play cook. I just did the Score podcast
with Justin Boone and he always closes by asking like an
overlooked player for the week. And I had it.
He ended up because of time because all my answers take so
long not asking that question, but I had James Cook highlighted
as my guy for that question, so now I'm throwing it on ship
chasing. I think he's the Overlook player
for this week, where this has gotta be the week.
It's gonna be a shootout. And he's already been super
efficient. He gets in the end zone on top
of it and has like a huge game. I like it.
That's how do you think it will shake out between most dirt a
Chan? And waddle because I think the
Bills D has actually been better against running backs other than
like 2 missed like assignments against Breese Hall week one.
But then they're also like, slow on defense compared to Miami.
And just like league average, they're like kind of slow.
Yeah. I mean, I oh, that's good for
us, right? And that.
Yeah, yeah. How many yards is that?
It'd be a. Was that like a D?
Yeah. Yeah.
I like Waddle. I mean in the walkthrough I rode
up like. Hills runs down a ton, by the
way. OK, well hit like, his volume is
like so much worse than Tyree kills.
But it's also like elite. So I just, it's like one of the
things where I think by comparison, we're always gonna
be like, I waddle whatever. But Waddle's role is awesome.
It's just not, you know, otherworldly like Terry kills.
Yeah, and the the weird thing is last year, so the Bills drafted
a corner. Kaiyir Elam, who the Packers are
trying so hard to just. Trying.
So. They got it back.
But like, their first round corner is inactive the first two
games this year and he's also their only fast corner.
So like last year, he's the guy who man covered Tyreke and like
that kind of worked with like safety help.
But now they have like Christian Bemford, all of like 45540 land
out there, which I don't know about that.
All right, we got a question. This is amazing.
I'm really thinking hard about this.
This question from Sean. We should all write it down and
then. Yeah, I actually like that on a
BBM four scale of zero to 10, zero being a complete dud.
Intend being an absolute home run league winner, What rating
do you assign to Josh Reynolds? Please use exact numb numeric
designation. Are we using?
Fractional numbers. I'm doing a whole number.
I'm doing the finger system. Okay, you too.
Now we got safety. Oh, I got you.
Do it left-handed. Is that Musgrave?
Yeah, we can. Get a.
Couple yards. All right.
You guys ready? Yeah.
All right. Like Gretchen and I are close.
What's yours is that that's got 6 Davidson.
Williams is coming back. That's I have to run that I
mean. The same here.
Past catcher 5 for the Lions we're talking about.
Then when Will and I don't think he can be closer to a complete
dud, given he's already given you some usable stuff like he he
could be the reason you advance the team already.
But then also like they play the Seahawks Week 17, right?
No, they play the Cowboys. The Cowboys.
Ah, shit. You're thinking of the year Liam
won. Literally.
That was my whole case and that's wrong.
So well the Cowboys D might not be the Cowboys D without their
corner there digs who knows. But I don't know.
Like with Reynolds it's like he's a fast start guy.
He'll have some spike weeks. Is that a league winner?
He's like well, well behind 22 and puka and Kyron and Josh
Kelly and Jerome Ford. There's like so many more league
winner types that emerged from the late rounds that Reynolds.
Cannot be no. You got the right.
And he's behind Gibbs, La Porta, Williams for me.
And I'm on raw when everyone's healthy.
Give us an updated score, Pat. New York Times Stack Correction.
We amended this article. Oh yeah, I'll say four.
I say 4. There you go.
You'd rather have someone else, but you don't.
You don't hate it. Yeah, Jason, I actually slipped
these guys of five to mention that.
Sean, can you follow up and tell me the the back story to this
question? Do you have like 38% Josh
Reynolds and BBM? I'm curious what's going.
On the people of my discord are going crazy for Josh Reynolds
too. And I was like, now he's like,
not illegal in and they're like, look at his weeks.
That's not a representative subset of of rational people,
the people who hang out here. Discord, Leo.
I'm just saying that there's a drum beat.
Trophy from Williams Discord. You're muted, correct?
Still muted. Still still muted.
Maybe he knows he's muted. I I had no idea he didn't catch
a pass last week. Why are we talking about him
this week? That's.
Why I'm asking, that's why. I'm asking and Khalif Raymond
took the end around what? Are we doing well?
That's why I didn't talk about Josh.
This week. It's like.
If you took Reynolds, you were gambling on the pass catcher 5
for the Lions because it could have been Marvin Jones.
It could have been Khalif Raymond, right?
Like, yeah, yeah, Reynolds has some connection to Goff.
And so like, OK, maybe you felt good about that, but you were
still guessing, you know? Bias Jones, says Williams.
Discord is wild. I don't know where you found
those guys you find. These.
Guys who? Are they?
I don't know. Truck stop on the highway.
I'm like, hey Jens. You like fancy?
You wanna watch Cheney, Pickett? Play with me.
You wanna get my discord? Who knew the bad boys of best
ball could be found at the chess tournaments, you know?
Yeah, exactly. Come on, love.
What do you guys think about Dobbs?
Because I thought he was one of the worst price guys in
basketball season. And I still don't think like.
I think without Watson, he's doing fine.
He's like, he's like Hunter Henry in touchdowns, though,
like. 2 red zone targets of you know like just like sun running
touchdowns to me but I don't know what's what's your No I was
high on him and I think you're right.
I think Pat was correctly a little low on him.
We talked about him a little in the offseason.
I think at one point I told Pat when I was looking using his
rankings for some of my first drafts that that Dobbs was the
guy I thought he had most missed Price because he was low on him
and I moved him up a bunch like manually for my own drafts.
But he's to me not impressed again this year and he's had a
lot of opportunity ahead of him. I think you're right.
I think he's just been getting a little bit lucky on TV's and
probably not a great bet the rest of the way.
Jaden Reed also looks like as good, which isn't great given
that he's a rookie so. Have we seen tonight?
Has anyone watched in the All 22?
Because like, isn't the big question who's going to be in
two wide receiver sets with Watson?
And I think it will be Dobbs that, I mean it will be Dobbs
too. Yeah, yeah.
But it still almost doesn't matter, cuz Dobbs is like, I
mean, he earns volume, but he really, he's very inefficient on
it. He's struggling.
Like that's why I was asking on that one earlier where Love
missed the pass. I really wanted to see it, cuz
from my angle you kind of saw Dobbs going out of the screen.
I never did get a good look at it, but it seemed like Dobbs was
moving into that space and just stopped for no reason.
And I actually think it was probably on Dobbs and not on
love. And I don't think like, I'm not
a love apologist by any means, but it's like, why?
Why would you stop moving when your quarterback's about to
deliver to you in open space? He's going to lead you to where
you're going up the field. And I mean, when you're in, when
the guys are in zone, you're supposed to throttle down and
stop in that space and but like, I don't know, he wasn't moving
into any, like, defenders. It was I, I think more probably
on Dobbs on that play. I'm interested to look back at
that play. But.
He's done some grown man things, right?
Like, I love Dk's point. He's Deonte Johnson Midwest.
That's right. He earns volume and he's Deonte
Johnson with it. It's a really good Midwest.
Deonte Johnson. Take Deonte Johnson's been a lot
better. Well, yeah, he earns more
volume. Yeah, he's he's a he's he's like
20% targets for route run. Deonte Johnson, he's not a 28%
targets for. Yeah, I think the Packers do
have comparable to everyone, yeah.
Everyone that's yeah, Aaron. Jones is Galen.
Warren Jordan. Love is Midwest.
Desmond Rutter. Pickens is Watson.
Well and Watson, a lot of people said that the the, the floor
case for Watson was that he was Chase Claypool from yeah, from
the Steelers, right. Did you guys say I I just body
bagged Jordan love. I call the Midwest Desmond
Rutter or Midwest Kenny Picket. I thought you're going to say
Midwest Kenny picket. Wait, Pat, I got you, man.
I will. I don't know if that's a perfect
cop because the Falcons would snap.
Except Jordan Love in return. That's absolutely true.
Jason says he's here to learn ball.
You're in the right place, Jason.
We're teaching people all about ball tonight.
Liam, give the people a lesson. What was your What's your latest
gal? Brain onside kick.
You just drill it at the fattest guy in front of you.
Yeah, that's. I mean, that's got to work
better than some of the shit these teams are doing.
Just just like something you like keep in your back, they
don't put that guys out there on the hands team in obvious
onside. Whatever they can ask your knee.
Try to, you know, try just Toe blast.
Don't do it. I told you.
I told you that would be just. Toe blast it just you know.
It's got easy to kick it at somebody either like it's.
A. It's not working as is.
I mean, that's a good point.
It's not working as is. You might as.
Well, you know, like. And you could just like shock
value, bounce it off of visor or something, you know?
I mean chaos, wild card bitches. It should be easier to onsite
kick. That would be more fun.
Well, of course it's. A nice thing, dude.
I mean he, I mean, we keep saying he doesn't look like a
rookie, but like he's already a top five title in the NFL.
That's why I don't even think it's a hot take anymore.
To say top five title, well it it's so, I mean Pat and I were
talking about this the other day right.
So you go Kelsey Andrews, Hawk. End of conversation.
Waller Kittle No, I'm not saying no, I'm not taking Waller over.
I'm not even in the conversation.
I think if you zoom out with with Waller and you realize that
they got boat raised by. The Niners and Cowboys like he's
had a pretty dumb. Part of defending from people
who chased him up 3 rounds and they I.
Didn't I? Didn't chase.
I just, you know I think better days are going to be ahead for
him. And I think Ingram is in the
conversation with La Porta. But you could side with La
Porta. I mean what do you let's talk
about the Lions and Jameson Williams because I think Jameson
Williams has a great chance to be a solid fantasy asset this
year. Not everyone's with that take.
What do you guys see happening in the line calling in the
league winners is what right when are the probably did on
Tuesday. Then I think.
He could be a smash. Yeah, like a smash.
You know, like that's where I started.
Easy Target and it got deflected at the line.
Man, what you. Wanting next Josh Reynolds Pat 4
* 20 is an 80 on the zero to 10 scale.
It's pretty high. And I the Jameson Williams is
bad vibes. Like OK, the guy gambled on some
like college basketball for 5 bucks or something.
Is that? All from what?
David's tweet where he said the vibes around Jameson.
Was it out everyone since? It's look at the chat.
Pat said it to me. It's in the chat, Davis said.
It. I think Davis originated it,
yes. No, it's it's correct on it.
We're talking we're talking you up right now buddy.
Catch that ball and. Run the thing.
The thing about the big. Moment.
He might have been top three in the NFL after that catch.
I mean, we might have put him like, I don't know, like who
would have went ahead of at that moment?
Oh, you gotta catch that. Little too much insurance.
I love this guy in the chat saying Liam's absolutely right,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Look, I I just want to be very
clear on the hands team. There are people on both sides.
There's no one in the middle for this exact reason.
There's not anybody in the middle.
You can't. You can kick it diagonally and
blast it at them on the hands team, but then it's going to
ricochet out, fucking bounce right?
Like on an obvious onsides kick situation.
They are not allowing this to happen.
It's not. You should rugby kick it then
and try to kick it as high as possible.
That's what they do in the rugby kickoff.
There's like one or two dudes in the middle, and they're
literally watching for this exact thing.
In the in rugby you just try to kick it.
It has to go 10 yards too, or 10 meters, but you just kick it as
high as possible so that when they get the ball you can blast
them. I like why we were having.
A pretty interesting conversation about tight end
rakings, rest of season and then just evolved back into
calibrating. Well, I'm trying to get back to
the Jameson Williams vibe conversation because.
Yeah, I need to defend the Bad Vibes community, which is that
dude. No coaches ever say, yeah, I
don't think this guy can catch. That doesn't happen.
And Dan Campbell was like, yeah, dude, I mean, his hands like
totally blow. I don't wanna pork it.
He said it as like a positive Pat.
He was like, other than the fact that he can't catch, he does a
lot of great things. Yeah, yeah, That's not how
people. Are you guys seeing?
This report to catch here, Yes, that was great.
That was amazing. If you're bad at catching the
ball, you probably catch it, what, 60% of the time?
Yeah, 65 if you're bad, right? If you're bad.
And so if you're gonna be burning by corners, wide open
and whatever you drop a couple touch sounds, but you house a
couple touch sounds, you'll take the touch.
That's easy for you to say, but that's the, well, fuller thesis.
Yeah, that's. Kind of what Christian Watson
was, too. Remember Christian Watson
dropped that one against Rogers Week 1.
Yeah, I just don't like the coach being like cuz the coach
gets decide who plays famously. Yeah, and you don't like
hearing. Yeah, this guy can't catch from
his coach. What's my dream?
To Very good point. Very good point.
I mean, what? So you think Josh Reynolds will
play ahead of him? I would not be surprised if Josh
Reynolds plays ahead of Jameson Williams at points.
This not like the whole second-half or anything.
Yeah, No, they like Josh Reynolds.
Yeah. Well, wait, Aren't all three of
those guys gonna be out on the field in three wide receiver
sets? They'll play together sometimes,
too. Yeah.
Sometimes. Yeah.
And like Goff, is not the best fit for a deep.
Threat quarterback. But if the NFL is like playing
Cover Two against the elite quarterbacks and against Goffin
gang, they're like, you know, let's clog the middle.
That does. That's like chicken and the egg
helping Jameson Williams to my mind, like if you're gonna take
away La Porta and Amano. Yeah, that's true.
The Lions probably have the best trio of like underneath weapons
in the league with those 3. It's like a great fit, right?
Like the someone tell them about Gibbs, please.
This energy, yeah. It would be nice if they knew
they had Gibbs in the passing game.
It would be nice. So Laporta could fly the fiber.
Let's pull it up here. We need Musgrave to get more
than one yard. Yeah.
You guys didn't, you guys didn't get the Laporta over playing
them against me this week? In the In the We already had
enough. We didn't want to rub it in,
dude. We don't want to rub it in,
yeah. You got it.
This time, you've been talking a lot of shit.
You've been talking a lot of shit.
Me, me. Yeah, you've been talking non
stuff. Shit.
Let me tell you how this came to be.
So we ripped the draft. Whatever.
And I I listened to you guys and you were all like, ha ha ha ha.
Our team's so much better. Their team's so bad.
Ha, ha. Oh, let's sniff those farts
together boys, and drink our wine.
Hahaha. We're so great.
Yes. Roshan Johns Classy one that
was, that was. Stream one and then I gave it a
week and I checked in on ship chasing the next week and I was
like alright, whatever and that stream too strays left and right
about our main event team. So you guys brought this on
yourselves? No, that's because you guys, we,
we called your podcast the best piece of content of the summer.
You gave us a lot to react to. We were complimenting you, but
also, you know, you got it's a little bit of positive, a little
bit of negative, you know, that's how it goes.
You're responsible for the two best pieces of content, I think
in the offseason because the other one was, was your rugby
conversation with Davis, which was the most entertaining thing
I may have ever heard. I didn't hear this probably.
That was that was way early. Yeah, not in July.
They had a rugby convo. Yeah, it was.
It was seriously one of the most entertaining things I've ever
listened to. It was me trying to gal brain
rugby and Davis just immediately being like no, no, no.
It was a beautiful argument. All right, I think Montgomery's
already over is rushing yards, so let's get to see.
All right, let me see this. Here we got that.
Yep, just hit we We're in the green there. 50 years this will
no this will be a we both have good teams.
I I have teams like. I only did a couple names, but I
have a team like yours too, which is just like got zero at
running back and is loaded elsewhere.
Well, we each have one really weak spot in our lineup.
We have Matt Breeda in ours and you guys have Kyle Pitts in
yours. Yeah, Matt Breeda and Roshawn
Johnson, you're just going to give Rosh.
No, we're catching our own strays.
No, that was good. Sometimes you got to.
Catch one of your own stray oh God, Muskrat being evaluated for
a concussion. I do not like to see that.
Oh God, they're not going to put them back.
I didn't want graph pits to manage, but so I got 2V1, I got
2V1. That's a bummer.
Is not good. What would you guys do with
tight end if you could go back because that like towards the
end of the season I was thinking for manage the best move was to
try to get one of La Porta Kincaid, Musgrave as you're
tight end one and just punt it off.
But then it's also like Okay, are you?
You mean the thing that we did against you in the league?
No, you took you took Kelsey and La Porta, so that's not punting
at all. We had the nuts.
Is that? I forgot we had Kelsey.
Then in the in the game, The thing is we have so many high
stakes teams. I don't even remember the team
that we have against you. And you keep, like tweeting at
me about it and I'm like, I don't.
Even very related. I haven't paid it.
So you tweeted, you tweeted about the transactions we made
this week, and that's the first time I learned about the people
that. Yeah, this week I had no idea.
Come on, don't make Liam the man of the people here, man.
Your. Guys' team is good.
Were you guys tempted to start Christian Watson tonight?
I was, yeah, I was. But you know, with the with the
report, who I really want to start is Tutu like, God, that
was a. Gibbs target like I think Tutu
is the smash this week and. Like we this This team really
wants an extra flex spot in the league, you know?
Yeah, so do we just not we want to remove 1 running back so we
can start 8 hours or? Yeah man, that was almost a 5
yard catch we needed for Gibbs, but he fell down.
Let's let's Shank this field goal.
It's all What are you guys thinking about the Packers the
rest of the way? Because they've been exciting,
but also definitely sun running almost shanked it.
What do we think? About what, Liam?
The Packers the rest of the way I.
Don't know. Jordan has been very inaccurate.
That's been the big issue and I think they're legit bad.
It's gonna, yeah. The numbers are gonna he's still
gonna look extremely inaccurate. So I think they're they're gonna
I was on team they were kind of a little underrated this
offseason. They have like a good system in
place. Matla Floor's a good coach.
They have. When I say good system, I I
meant like a good organization. They know what they're doing.
They they do things well in the lines and but I I just like have
not been impressed by them through four games and I mean
through three games. I I took the lines in this game
and obviously this has not been a good first half.
It's confirmation bias right now, but I don't, Yeah, I just
think they're like overrated. They've played three really weak
teams so far, and they're two in one as a result.
But I don't think they're very good.
No, I don't think they're great, but I think the way Love is
playing is kind of fun for Christian Watson if he's just
going to be like kind of inaccurate but willing to Chuck
it up deep, you know, AGT, JT, great point they bought TR is
out for the year and that's another like that just came out
yesterday. That's a big.
Deal. No, he's done for the year.
He's gonna get. He had surgery yesterday or
can't today. He had surgery yesterday.
He's gonna have another surgery. His knees that bad And that's
like part of the reason that like I don't think it can get
better before it gets worse for them.
A God Musgrave concussion is confirmed.
Jason saying it seems like. He's being he's being evaluated
as the Shafter report for two minutes ago.
AJ Dillon, 3, rushed 4 yards. Just like, yeah, we should have
taken the rush yards under Pat instead of the Musgrave, yeah?
But well, it's weird because it's better about the Musgrave.
I would feel good about the Musgrave.
Still, they're gonna have to throw.
And now Deguara is getting our Musgrave.
And AJ Dillon is like kind of playing as Darby one, but you
still just are like, can you get 33 yards, man?
That's a bummer. Goodness, the Packers will look
OK. In some games, they're not gonna
be a complete disaster. I shouldn't have said it like
that, but. Playoffs or no, they have looked
Packers in some games. No.
No playoffs. No.
No playoffs. This is a six and eleven team,
or I mean, they're already two in one, so maybe it's a 7 and 10
team. Let's see their schedule next
game. Raiders, then Broncos, then
Vikings. Your schedule is nice.
Then ram hole. And the.
Yeah, I mean, I didn't know that.
Maybe. They're 18.
Chiefs. Yeah, their whole left side of
their old line. Elgton Jenkins is out.
Their left guard as well. Their whole left side of their
old line is gone tonight. And then again Bhaktiari gone
for the year. So this is do you know what I?
Was just thinking about the Lions 11 and five season in
this. Be nice seeing all these
Musgrave and concussion protocol.
Do you know who doesn't pass concussion protocol tests?
Well Golden Retrievers. They that that is the exact type
of dog who is going to come, well very dubbed out of it at a
concussion test. I believe you do.
Basically, it's your own baseline that you're being
tested against. Though so it.
May be great against it. Well the baseline.
Their backup tight end just got like a free 12 yard reception.
Josiah Daggura, we were directionally accurate here.
Their. Backup, isn't it?
The other dude get hurt for the season 2.
The craft did he, Tucker Craft is her.
There. They they drafted 2 rookie tight
ends. Yeah.
The other rookie, I didn't know he was.
I didn't know he was out for the year.
I just didn't know that. I don't know if he's out for the
year, but maybe on IR or something?
Or just sucks? No, he's not on IR.
He's active tonight based on what I'm looking at.
Someone said Kevin said Kraft has played like 1 snap this
season. He's just, yeah, not good.
The You guys haven't had to listen to this, but the
broadcasters are. Very brutal for like.
Why is Al Michaels a big target for Prime?
He's Al. Michaels name.
Brand but dude. No.
But he sounds like tired. He sounds like over it.
I mean, it's late. We're all tired.
Did the Miracle on Ice. You know what we I turned on
Sunday Night Football week one this year and he laughed at the
Miracle Ice. And my wife goes, wait, who is
this? You know she could tell Chris
Collinsworth voice, but she's like, who is this with him?
And I think Mike Trico did last year too, right.
But like, she didn't. She wasn't pleased.
And then we. Or maybe this was last year.
I can't remember what this was. But we turned on Thursday Night
Football and Al was on Thursday night and she just, like, felt
so bad for him. She like for her Al Michaels
voice is the voice of football and that's they make broadcast
decisions for like my wife. I want to be clear, like for the
people who casually watch football in the background, they
don't make the broadcast decisions for us.
Yeah, it's true. Yeah, it's the widest possible
audience. But he's like.
It hits the third quarter and he's like, all right, speed up
the game. Yeah, he does not care.
He wants to go. Home.
It's like, are you supposed to say that I'm seeing?
31 next week 3130. One years.
What do you do for? Your birthday.
Happy birthday. Thanks guys.
Happy birthday. Are you doing any, any plans?
I don't know. I was thinking of doing laser
tag or something. Would be fun if I could get a
crew going for that. That's big gold.
Retriever vibes right there. That's great.
On this helmet. I would be if I lived through, I
would be in Liam. I would fucking be there like.
Back-to-back me versus the local middle school.
You know they never had a chance when.
Was the last time you did laser tag?
I don't know I was like 11 or something 12 but just sounds
sounds fun if. I don't know laser tag.
Next to these are a thing. Where a laser tag joint is, do
you have? You soaked one out.
I don't know. My girlfriend, just like my
girlfriend's birthday, is the week before mine.
So it's a big deal for hers. And then she's like, what are we
gonna do for your birthday? What are we gonna do for your
birthday? I'm like.
I don't know. Laser tag bowling like I don't.
I don't care guys. It's half time.
We gotta OK.
All right, this is time to. It's time to work.
It's time to. Yeah, we gotta, we need, we need
some good vibes on this, Liam, because.
OK, I'll help you guys look at this.
These hackers receiving numbers aren't even up.
They have no they have no numbers on Erin Jones, Oren
Watson, Goth. What do we guys?
We need to grind some defense and and Start learning some of
these defenders too. You can get the Gibbs one again.
We only need 2 1/2 yards. Yeah, let's do this.
We're running that one back, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. That's the third They're just
thinking they're not gonna be thrown to because they're up.
Yeah, yeah, right. LaPorte is only 1 1/2
receptions. I like the under on money.
Do we think they're hard? It's only 12 1/2 yards, like
that's a 13 yard catch. He looks like a beast tonight.
He's catching another 15 yard past right?
He only needs 2 catches if you like that.
Better to hit his over on on receptions.
I feel like the yards is better than the.
Kind of like the yards, how deep he's getting used down, yeah.
Yeah, a 12 yard, 12 1/2 yard catch versus 2 catches.
He's been running in the middle of the field, wide open, 1012
yards. Do you guys want to?
Play a Jordan Love interception. No.
Yes. No.
But we only need one. We only need one.
Yeah. That's what I mean.
I kind of like the Aiden Hutchinson tackle.
He's gonna be throwing a lot right.
So the what was Aiden Hutchinson?
It's it's gonna sacks you got. One for sacks and tackles or
tackles and assists. I'm just gonna get this one
locked in in case this moves. Yeah, yeah, hit that.
No. How did that expire, Jordan
love? Expired.
I kind of like the under on some of the Montgomery stuff.
If we think like, are they going to run him on the hamstring
injury? If they're if they're winning by
a lot, wait, it went down, that's good.
OK, Yeah. Why does it keep doing that?
What's going on? Why is it doing?
They really don't want you to take the Jordan love.
Jordan loved one. Doesn't like the Jordan loved
one, I think. That's a that's a hard one to
hit, too. And it.
Is there? Yeah, that one's the one I don't
love. Jordan loves 6.5 rushing yards.
Current zero. I mean, the lines are gonna be
dropping back too. Is he gonna pass for 130 1/2
yards this? Time you want him over 6 1/2
rushing yards? I was saying over.
Yeah, I like that. The under run is people don't
realize the the quarterback rushing is a real edge.
Yeah, second-half. He's gotta run, right?
Exactly. Vaguely.
I mean, they've been getting to the quarterback too.
He's gotta leave the pocket and scramble at some point.
This show's great. It's got foreshadowing and
everything. All right, fuck it.
I'll tell the I'll tell this one.
These guys in the shadow of sand, they pulled the eye and
seen one. They're like, uh, oh, they're
watching. The show?
Yeah, they did. Wow.
We weren't quick enough. What's changed on me?
What? That was my bet, I thought.
I thought he'd throw 4/2, but he'd already thrown one.
That's all right. The rushing one was.
Everyone can tell the rushing one.
They would have missed the int one if you took it.
Yeah, I feel good about LaPorte and Gibbs.
Like, they're not. It's like they're gonna not pass
in this whole second-half. Like it's.
Yeah, I'd just like to get another one with like a Packers
wide receiver. Yeah, we it's tough that we
can't get any Packers receiving. Yeah.
Yeah, they don't usually post the ambiguous lines where it's
like. Watson could get pulled, you
know. Look at Quay Walker as currently
has 10 tackles plus assists and he's going for 14 1/2.
Like they're just gonna keep running if he's the guy that
tackles everyone on the running, plays you guys.
Want to sweat? Yeah, let's let some Quay
Walker, baby. All right, Quay Walker.
We need a defensive sweat here. I mean, come on, there's gonna
be more of what we saw in the first half.
He already has 10 tackles. I like that one.
Jaden reads up at 15 1/2 receiving yards or higher.
That's. Ooh, Dobbs is up.
Too. Yeah, but that's a big number.
That's 35 1/2, Yes. I want to go under Dobbs and
over Reed. Wait, what's the kicker?
At how many points does he have right now?
He's at 3:00 and it was 4 1/2 for Packers.
Wait, what the Packers kicker has Oh, because they're going to
go for two and everything. Like he literally might not have
another point. The.
Rest of this No. This coach will kick a field
goal not down by 24. No, this is all TD.
If he reaches the red zone, is he gonna go for it on 4th and
10? I don't think we can play the
Packers kicker. That's a sweat.
Leave it on two. I'm not sick enough for that
sweat. 2 touchers. Go for two in fourth downs.
The Packers kicker is not kicking at the goal posts again
in this game. There's no way 2.
Touchdowns or one field goal? Could it could be you know the
TDs are down 24 TDs are conversions.
They're gonna go for two. Yeah, they're gonna go for two.
That's it. That's an easy.
One flat guy over the middle of the field with a Musgrave.
That's good. That's great.
That's. Gonna be a.
Full under slip to prove we know ball OK, we have no our Musgrave
ones. Musgrave was in all our earlier
ones. Those are dead.
So at least we have some new fun ones.
We got more Gibbs action. Under Goff touchdown.
Aaron Jones over 8 1/2 receiving yards.
He's at zero. He might not play.
Yeah, that's that's a dicey one. We're doing all unders.
This is an all undercard. This is all underslere.
Okay, I love it. Who's the under under Christian
Watson? Under.
Christian Watson. Under with 1 1/2 touch.
Pounds Watson 23 1/2 He might not get there.
Yeah, dogs under dogs. You have to go under I think.
Does Watson need to play for this to catch in the
second-half? Jared Goff under under two touch
30 or 1 1/2 pass attempts? No passing Td's?
Does he not throw another TD? Yeah, under.
He's not going to. They're just gonna settle for
field goals like they're they're in a comfy spot, you know?
Yeah, but they're lighting him up.
That one scares me a little under just, alright, go do that.
They can easily throw for another TD projection.
Refreshing on Jordan Loves interceptions.
What's going on there? Back.
There, wait. Let's get some.
Let's take the under on Love Passing Yards.
OK. Yeah, it doesn't correlate 1.
Yeah, 132 1/2 is like because I don't think the Lions are just
going to sit and prevent like they're going to try to get get
to them. Let's, let's.
Get one more in here for a few Jones, right, Jones.
Jones isn't healthy. Yeah.
Jones under Jones. Aaron Jones.
I don't want to. Be under 8 1/2 receiving yards
for him because he's gonna get why he's not gonna catch a pass.
He's not gonna play. I'd rather how about under AJ
Dillon, 4 1/2 receiving yards, because that could take 50
catches. He's gonna play.
He's healthy. Yeah.
Yeah, they don't care. How?
Under something late 21 1/2 rushing and receiving yards for
him. It's a lot of time and if I'd,
I'd rather do the Jones, honestly.
Under the field goal kicker if we don't think he's gonna get
it. Hmm.
Oh, I like that. Under the under the Packers
field goal kickers they can. Under on all the yards.
Yeah, yeah, I don't. Like it over, but rip it, yeah.
Yes, Liam, Yes. No more kicking points.
All right, here we go. All right, all unders,
beautiful. The the all undercard.
Anders Carlson could end this in one.
Flu swoop, but I like it. They're not gonna kick a field.
No, but what can happen is at the end of the fourth quarter,
if they're like way blown out and they need like 11, the chat
knows. The chat knows we know.
All unders this stream nose ball.
Can we? Has anyone seen an update on
Musgrave? Is there a candle to leave on or
is it? Just no, dude.
This is like me hoping that Mike Williams wasn't hurt for the
season. He's out.
I was like, they suspect in ATL.
I did a Twitter search and everyone's just saying he's
being evaluated. That's what I'm yeah, I have a
thing refreshing. His low baseline is helping us,
though, pull up a Luke Musgrave picture because he is not a
confirmed golden retriever. He's a wow, Yeah.
Yeah, huh. Like he's like an artist.
In that this is pretty golden retriever.
Liam, this is real. That might be the most golden
retriever I. See.
Like anyone, this is any relation to Andrew Wiggins here.
Yeah, Speaking of which. You see Andrew Wiggins in his
overalls. Oh, I sure do.
I did not. The heads up for the Packers,
though. Look at this.
That's beautiful. Look at that.
Got the joint, The cowboy hat, the overalls?
That's amazing. Flip between the two pictures
rapidly. Yeah, Liam, I think on this one,
man. This is the human embodiment of
a golden retriever right here. I think you gotta give.
It his headshot for the Packers, though, is like, more like
artist. You can't the headshot, man.
It's like back to school pictures.
Your mom is like making you put on a polo and doing your hair a
certain way. It's not an actual reflection of
who you are. What do you take his mustache
going down like? This is just such a artist move.
Yeah. Pull Pull up Kincaid because
that's Kincaid, like a little mayor versus you versus retreat.
Golden retriever. He's on the fence.
You wanted me to pull up Kincaid.
Where do you? I mean, Kincaid is a golden
retriever like. Yeah, for sure there is.
There's a little bit of a preppy vibe, I will say.
I agree. This is the whole thing.
That's preppy, yeah. Yeah, no, he's preppy with,
like, his, like, weird haircut in in that one, In the middle
one. Yeah, it's a little preppy, man.
What's going on here? I don't know, dude.
It's a little fun and a little, little fratty in a way that's
like it's it's Friday, it's Friday, but that can go.
Look at this. You like to play tight ends
against Miami? Is this the week?
Are you calling your shot? This is the week where you
finally get even. On all of.
Your I don't think this is the week.
This is the week. It was a good week one for you,
man it. Was a good didn't he has six
catches week two. I don't even know his routes are
way down. Yeah.
Do you know what we call that around?
Here. Yeah, but then they were down
last week. How'd you explain that?
That game was tight until the 4th and then it was like way out
of hand. I don't know.
I don't know like he because he got two catches on the 1st Dr.
of the game and they kind of look like he got like bent over
backwards. That one touchdown to Gabe
Davis, it was like either going to him or Kincaid.
I wasn't sure for his knocks. Did.
This is why he's not a good tight.
Yeah, dude, that this seat is not a golden retriever, man.
No. Yeah, Mike was a drop.
Yeah. I mean, where did Julian?
Work come from. That dude definitely works on
Wall Street. That's just a fake football.
Oh yeah. I I almost get like car
dealership. Yeah, like elf Elf at Christmas
Village. Julian Hill is a dude who can
block. Yeah, Julian Hill is down to
block. But he also ran more routes than
than Smite last week. So.
A lot. Mike is Sicky.
Mike. He's got a great locker room
presence. Mike is.
Sicky. Mike is sick.
He's got the Friday look he exactly is that that we should
make that because I I do like the golden retriever but the the
frat bro look is definitely a classic tight end archetype as.
Well, Mike was like, he looks like the soccer dad, or like.
Dude the upper arm sleeves in in these Miami picks the upper arm
sleeve look is like that is the like.
Oh, and sick. He's a frat boy, for sure.
Yeah, it's definitely the case, yeah.
I don't know. He's had the military haircut.
He looks like he's like making kids do up downs, right?
That sounds like. Hey yeah the Friday Cuz like
Kelsey's a Friday guy. Kelsey's pretty Friday I would
say. But like yeah, big Packers
return but it's coming back. No field goals for you guys.
Which of all of these second-half pickups are is our
biggest swag? We need to meet Gibbs.
The kicker is my favorite by far.
Yeah, you're right. It's it's Gibbs and La Porta.
We basically just need one catch from both of those guys.
Yeah. And then we're then we're just
deciding what else we're reading for at that point, Packers
described Implosion. God, that does feel like a nice
thing to root for right now, based on how that first half
went. I mean, we we need them to
continue to play really poor football, but we also need the
Lions offense to just sustain drives and shorten the game the
rest of the way. And then the Packers don't run a
lot of plays like that's. It's not so much a Packers
implosion is like. They just don't get a lot of
opportunities because the Lions are piercing together drives.
They're hitting La Porta and Gibbs on some passes.
They're running the ball effectively.
I was tempted on the Montgomery under because if his like
hamstring is if his hamstrings at all serious, are they going
to run him? That's crap.
They activated him off IR at half.
Yeah, William told. His crap was done for the year
and he miraculously. Activated off IR to rent some
routes. Liam, do you want to speak on
that? No, I I that.
Was his second snap of the year, I think.
We should have got some craft overs.
Where were those? They didn't.
They weren't posted. I I did.
He was like, maybe like. Banged up for a week or
something. I don't know.
I read a lot of like, loose news.
All I know is we never would have taken a Musgrave higher if
we knew Craft was active tonight.
And I wouldn't. Have.
Told us. You guys should have hit me up
before the the Pickum was made then.
Yeah. God.
Musgrave. That's so sad.
Like it really is. Yeah, it's such a bummer when
like. We need 35 yards in the
second-half. That's not hard.
Did you have an ungodly amount of Mike Williams slim?
And Musgrave, yeah, I got, I got a lot of both.
I mean, I don't know, 20%, probably 20 plus percent of Mike
Williams. I ran pretty pure on the other
guys that have been heard Dobbins.
No, I don't. Feel worried about our unders.
The Packers are like coming out with life, like they're like
we're not going to roll over and die type stuff.
You want them to want to roll over and.
We're not here to kick field goals.
Yeah. Yeah, Dobbs looks really fired
up about that 5 yard catch right there.
No, Peter, I just not. Not a lot of chub I didn't have.
Not a lot. I had like a, I don't know, 10%
shit. We already lost the Watson.
What was our they're playing for?
They're playing for pride. We thought they would roll over
and die. They're not rolling over and
die, you guys. That was our five, our five
unders. There may be playing to win.
It wouldn't. Do we make one?
Under ball once and for all, but we'll do that.
We'll do that next week. Yeah, all right, Liam, we're
going to bring Steph on to do a rundown and we can't have one of
The Dirty boys here muddying up. All right, James, I would say
good luck this week, but I I don't mean it, so.
No, thanks for having me on. It was fun.
Good luck. It was a.
Pleasure. Yes, Liam, anything you want to
plug? I know you just did a show with
Pat. I do the best ball leaderboard
show every Tuesday. That's that's really it, I
guess. Peace, all right.
Way to sell it. Way to sell it, Liam.
My guys gets the piece that just keeps staying on the air if I
booted. You I.
Thought you were going to. Remove you.
I didn't know. I'll remove you.
All right. Bye, Liam.
All right, Steph, welcome to the show.
How you doing? I'm great.
I'm sad that I don't get to talk shit to Liam, though.
No, I'm kidding. You could talk shit to him right
now. We know he's still watching.
So what do you want to say to Liam?
I have no idea. It's just, you know, talk a shit
about our waiver bids. Yeah, you got me going on
Twitter a little bit for us. Didn't we add Trevion Williams
in that league? They were asleep at the wheel.
You got Breda too. You got Breda for a dollar and
we we're starting in this week apparently.
Well, have you seen the rest of the running backs?
I have. That was the team we lost
Dobbins on, right? Yeah, we lost Dobbins on that
one. You got hailed too, and it
doesn't look like he's gonna play.
Possibly. So yeah.
Instead. We're not gonna talk about that.
We lost Dobbins, we had Kelsey miss week one, we had Judy miss
week one and we're out scoring Williams team.
Yeah, there you go. I have pulled up.
So as you guys tuned in last week, Steph is our waiver
captain this year. She's been absolutely crushing
it. In addition to running point on
all of our waivers, she's also putting out a weekly newsletter,
which is a very fun overview of waivers for the week.
This has been coming out before waivers, so you guys can get
this on Wednesdays. And on top of that doing a
little recap of our teams. Both FFPCNFFC have been enjoying
these write ups. What were some of your big
takeaways first kind of from this week for waiver run stuff
not as exciting as the first couple of weeks?
No, I mean, Josh Palmer was our biggest, you know, waiver guy
and I'm not really a big Josh Palmer fan.
So that she tells you quite a bit.
Definitely not as good as it was in weeks past.
It was a lot thinner. I mean we were looking at you
know, Latavius Murray taking over as the RB2, you know, in
Buffalo and then the whole Baltimore running back
situation, you know, where now, you know somehow we always get
back to the old, old guys there. That could be starting.
Like I said, someone I saw in the chat said that he'll did
practice today. I didn't get a chance to check,
so that would be really nice. But if not Melvin, it might be
Melvin Gordon and Kenyon Drake and that could be kind of rough.
So we'll have to see, you know, what happens there.
So there's really, you know, some of the bigger pickups.
Brayden was still pretty big pickup in some leagues that he
was available. What, Pat?
Gus Edwards in Gus Edwards practicing.
I think he he was, he had a concussion, but I think he did
practice. But I'm not sure.
I have to double check, Steph, you said some of the bids on
Joshua Palmer were surprising, right?
Because we kind of had price enforcement bids in like little
splashes, what, like 80 to 100 bucks?
And then people were going, what, thirty, 4050% on him?
Easily. I mean I saw bids for 5-6
hundred, think I saw 700 bid in there.
I mean it was, I don't know if they watched Josh Palmer play
last year. You know, when Keenan was out, I
did. And that's not what I want to
spend my entire bankroll on stuff.
Yeah, we the other kind of weird quirk we had.
What in one of our leagues was it our main FFPC main event?
Isaiah Pacheco was dropped, right?
Yeah, it's yours. Yeah.
Just you guys and you didn't have enough bankroll to compete.
He ended up going for 800 ish. I think the second highest bid
was like in the sevens and then I think it was us next and we
bid like about 4:20, but we only had five 500 left.
So it wouldn't matter, you know, if we'd.
Because you know they don't let you do zeros here.
So it makes it harder to. I know.
Sorry. That would have been a fun 1 to
get. That was yeah, our slow draft.
The one we did the mini sewed. So if you guys are the if you
guys watch those either on video feed or audio, that team's 3 and
O, it's in first place. It's the one we started with a J
Brown CD. Lam have both 49ers wide
receivers, also DK Metcalf on that team and then of course
Rahim Moster right? So that that was the huge one.
Both of our teams that are just kicking ass, started Rahim
Moster, including the chasing Go Bills team that we drafted live
in Vegas with Daryl and that team is now in 10th place
overall staff in the main event. That team is beautiful and I'm a
little bit jealous, you know that make that draft because we
get some of them have a lot of the same similar players, but.
Yeah, not in the right spots. And that team.
We we decided to take Cooper Cup in the fourth round because that
was a live draft. After his reinjury, we could
potentially get cut back on this roster.
That's what's nuts. That.
That is, that's the crazy part. Yeah.
This. This team.
That team looks later. Yeah, that that team.
I mean like you say, it might be coming into at the perfect time,
I mean. It looks like it has a
legitimate shot. Steph, the team that we drafted
with you in Vegas, the prime time were two and one 7th place
and this was a team. We knew we were going to get off
to a slow start because we took Kelsey just ten week one.
We had Breece Hall. We knew we were going to be
scrambling, but we're fighting here.
We're fighting. We're fighting, but you know,
deciding to sit Josh Reynolds tonight might not have been our
best decision, guys. So because we have like Tony and
then we got Hill and now Devo possibly could miss and he's
pretty much our best wide receiver at the moment.
So that's not, you know, the best of News's and we got
Kelsey, so hopefully you know Taylor Swift does something
magical and makes him catch. More than one touchdown, yeah,
we we just need him to like separate that could you know put
us over the top, but it's all that in premium over there, so.
That was an incomplete pass. Was that an incomplete pass I?
Guess. God just caught it.
They're. He juggled it.
When he was going to the ground, it was definitely a juggle.
I don't know why Campbell didn't challenge.
It was a fourth downplay. Interesting, That's.
We got Quinn Johnson on that. Team now Musgrave is officially
ruled out. It just came up.
Yeah. Yep.
No more Musgrave, which is definitely disappointing.
Although in the One League and our prime time stuff, you had
asked us before the show, Musgrave or Pitts.
We kept our conviction there with A and Pitt.
Oh, this was the the single bullet, the silver bullet.
So that that's looking like a nice call.
Yeah. Steph, are you nervous because
you were already mentioning like, we're in some of these
spots right now. We're already having to, like
look at practice reports. Will Debo play?
Will he not? The buys haven't even hit yet,
staff, and we're already, you know, backed up against the wall
in some of these spots. Are you ready for the biweek
gauntlet that's coming? I am.
I have been looking ahead. I tried to get, you know, a few
people quarterbacks, but the Stroud bids were also very
popular and a little higher than I anticipated.
And now I know someone Chickfila 'cause I didn't bid enough in my
own main event on CJ Stroud. I said you had a Chickfila side
chat and it was this with. G or with Lutang, who else would
it be? Yes, he wanted to bid quite a
bit and he likes to up the bid sometimes.
And I put in. So I was trying to make him a
little more conservative. And I was like, no, I looked,
you know, he was like an average.
You know, I looked on Roto business.
Thing that showed like the average he went, I'm like, no,
he's going for like 40. People already haven't taken
him. If they wanted a quarterback
they would I'm like, we'll be fine at like 38 or I think
there's something like that. He wanted to put in I think 70
it didn't matter. He still went for over 100 and
he was going for like 200 plus in some leagues, that's.
Debatable if you owe him Chickfila on that.
Well, he goes, if if you, if we, if you don't let me up it and we
don't win. You owe me Chickfila.
Well structured bet very well structured.
That's close to a free roll there for for GI Think.
But the week before I fought with them over if we're going to
start Addison or Myers, and I wanted to start Myers and they
both really wanted Addison. So I would have won that bet as
well, I think, because he outscored him by quite a bit.
I didn't you're guys ahead to make one.
I just hear like the, you know, the second hand information.
It seems like you guys have some epic battles in that group chat
for the team you guys drafted live in in Vegas.
Well, I think me and Gee are both very strong willed and
don't want to bend on our ideas. And then our third partner there
just kind of is along for the ride.
I don't think he wants to get in the middle of either one of us.
So any other interesting notes from you as you did this
exercise this week, whether across our portfolio or just
interesting waiver dynamics that you've been noticing?
I mean. I mean, like I said, this wasn't
super interesting. I mean, I we do have tend to
have a lot of like the same players and a lot of our teams,
you know, So we're looking, you know, at sometimes having, you
know, either a really big week where everybody does great or,
you know, not as great a week. Like you said, the teams with
the Miami guys obviously are killing it.
Anybody with Keenan Allen? Devon to Adams.
I know the boomers have both of them.
I mean, being set up for buys is going to be probably the biggest
challenge in trying to, you know, because it's like the bit,
you know, the water gets thin. Like at this point, you know
there's not a whole lot there that you want, but you still
want to save enough money. You know, to cover your bye
weeks and then in case there's a big injury, you know, once
playoffs hit. So I mean I think now it starts
to get into some of the strategy more where it's like I might
want to look at your matchups and see things of like, OK, I
might just take someone to block somebody, you know once you get
close to who's going to make playoffs or you're in playoffs
and things of that nature too. So you know, and I really want
to just also focus on beating, beating Liam and.
The Dirty Boys or whatever the heck their name is.
I love the this name with which you said that the term Dirty
Boys. It was palpable stuff.
I love that. But yes, it'll it'll be fun and
it is. It is nice because we're pulled.
The. Hair did look pretty dirty.
So it is. It is fun though, like because
we do have a lot of, like early shares of Breeze and JSN which
haven't been producing. But then on the flip side, we
got a ton of Laporta, a ton of like, you know, Miami Dolphins
stuff. So it's kind of like booing some
of these teams that might otherwise be off to slow start.
A ton of two is, yeah, probably our most drafted quarterback,
too, which has been huge. There was a period where we're
like, do we only have Tua, right?
We didn't want to take him anymore to cursify.
Yeah. I was like, yeah, do we need
this much Tua? Like every single draft we're
in, we're like, he's the best value by a mile.
But like, what if he gets a concussion?
Like there's just a real thing like.
And we've had a lot of him so far.
How exposed. We want to be Yep, yeah.
Some of these teams are fun. I was just thinking of that slow
Bros team where we took two of This is one of our stacked ones
actually, in that we had two with Tyriq.
And then we also had Kyron on this team and this running
backroom is pretty fun. Breese, Kendra, Tajay Spears.
One thing where you guys, I mean the Rashad Bateman stuff has
been a little disappointing. It it seems like that might not
happen. Now he's been with the hamstring
injury, he hasn't been practicing this week and.
Johan Dawson, too, is another one we have on a lot of teams.
It's been a huge bust. Yeah, I mean.
I think that's gonna spin back around.
I'm not worried about that. Dawson I'm worried about the
quarterback. I'm not throwing in the towel.
And I and I I've been. The feedback I got when I wrote
signals this week was, aren't you worried about Eric Bienemi's
offense? There was all that talk this
offseason with the tight ends, etc.
I think it's actually a great. It's a great example of one of
those things. It's like Okay, we're through
three weeks. They've been, they have been
throwing the tight ends of time. If you go look at their
positional target shares, they've been throwing to the
tight end position quite a bit. Logan Thomas missed last week it
was both Bates and Colt Turner. But it's not just Dotson, it's
also Terry Mclaurin that are not getting a lot of targets at all.
And like, that's one of those things that, like an offensive
coordinator installs and you try it for a month and then you
realize. Running your offense through
John Bates and Cole Turner when you have Terry Mccorne and Jahan
Dotson is not the way to do it. And then you like somebody,
whether it's howl, whether it's Rivera says to be enemy like,
hey, we need to have more you know, past patterns or the wide
receivers of the first read like we need to, we need to let Jahan
Dotson be the first read on more plays, right.
Like, I just think that's going to shift.
But you can't see Mccorne's down at a like, I think a career low
targets per Outrun right now, 16% targets per Outrun.
Dotson's at 14%. It's it's a systemic thing right
now with what the way they're running their offense that has
to shift to where the strength of their offenses.
Yeah, I don't know. I'm, I'm definitely nervous
about Datsun. Like he had a chance to kind of
establish himself with McLaren out in the same way that like
Pickens, I think has done. Like Pickens hasn't been
perfect, but I feel like pretty good about Pickens.
I think he's like he's shown some stuff without Deontay
Johnson in a way that I think you really want like a breakout
bet to do and Dotson just has not and Mclaurin is turning
towards better health. So I don't, I definitely feel
worse about him. Like I think we got a little
signal on Dotson and it wasn't very bullish.
Gormanji pointing out a brutal thing that happened, Gibbs
losing 5 yards. On a catch, so that 14 1/2 where
we just needed a couple. Now we need 8 yards.
But we got a cute little little baby in in the photo there on
the screen and we got that. Going it is.
Of course, that's the that's always the silver lining.
Well staff, we as always appreciate all of your hard work
in the waiver wire streets battling for our teams and I can
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Yeah, I'm gonna I got a big update from the game.
Everything's gone bad so far except one thing.
The Packers out of 4th and 9:00, and they went for it.
They scored a touchdown and they went for two.
Our kicker under is very soft. That.
That one's already brew it. That's already.
Christian Watson could lose 3 receiving yards.
Like to be against? It that's true, you good?
The kicker under looks live boys.
Can we get a? Can we make another new one in
the middle of the third quarter with a kicker under?
That probably will let us my pet we could.
Yeah, they. I mean, underdog will let us bet
until there's no money left in the account.
Oh, that's a fumble. That's a fumble.
That was a backwards pass. That's at least an 8 yard loss.
Oh yeah, she's got it. The the side judge has that.
She's marking it back there. That was incredible.
OK, I just want the Packers to do bad.
Sorry it's second. Pulled the kicker line, they
pulled the kicker line. They saw, they saw what we just
mentioned. They went forward on 4th and
they went for two and we're not going to leave the kicker line.
So Gretch, I wanted. I'm started.
I mentioned this a couple times in the walkthrough.
I I want to do more with it like create like a visual on it and
and do more for next week. But I started looking at the
quarterbacks, what percent of their throws are on 1st reads.
You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so it's pretty interesting like 2 is number one, you know
and then like how high is this percent, 74%.
Oh, I thought it was over 80. I think you told me that 8
attempts per drop back. So it's per drop, per drop back.
Got it. Per drop.
Yeah. Yeah.
So right. Because I'm trying to the the
the theory here is like, who's executing the offense as
designed and not just the quarterback.
It would be like quarterback plus the receiver.
Like who in is a group executing the offense it's designed two is
#1. Entering the game Love was #2,
which is pretty wild. Dobbs was #3.
Prescott 4, Borough 5, Cousins 6, Purdy 7, Stafford 8, Goff 9,
Watson 10. So there's your top 10.
So one of the things about that. Go ahead, let me, let me go to
the bottom first. Yeah.
So the bottom 10, Justin Fields is last.
When you when you do something like this and two is 1 and field
is last, you're like there's something here.
This isn't nothing. Fields is last.
Then Zach Wilson, this metric has something.
There's something going on in Utah.
Yeah, Bryce Young, 3rd to last. Jimmy Garoppolo which fields
race if get out of here our our linebacker hasn't been on the
field. The Lions haven't had the ball
we picked. We picked Coy Walker.
They oh, he actually has 13 crackles.
He got three more. He's.
We're we need one more or two. He had 10 and half time.
The Lions have only ran like 3 offensive plays, but apparently
Coy Walker got the tackle on all three.
Yeah, I mean, this one is looking incredible.
Minus the Gibbs part. Gibbs is getting there anyway.
Keep going Pat. Yeah so that's the bottom 5
minutes. Stroud, Ritter, Pickett,
Jackson, Howell then actually the homes is 11th.
So sorry, say that again. I I was looking this up so the
the lines really have only had a three and out in the
second-half. Quay Walker tackled David
Montgomery on a run. Quay Walker tackled Jimmier
Gibbs on the five yard lost pass and the third down play.
It doesn't list him as a tackle, but underdog must have him as a
tackle because he's gotten 3 tackles in the second-half.
Oh yeah, but. He's got a nose for the ball.
Pat land the plane on this, but the bottom 10 is Fields, Russell
Wilson, Zach Wilson, Bryce Young, Jimmy Garoppolo, CJ
Stroud, Desmond Ritter, Kenny Pickett, Lamar Jackson, Sam
Howe. And then Mahomes is 11.
Oh wow. Oh, Mahomes on the bottom end,
Mahomes on the bottom. Which kind of makes sense
because like another seat, he doesn't throw his any receiver
so he scrambles around and does other stuff.
Yeah. So I just like there's a thing
of it's it's tough for me to say like what the enemy's offense
even is. Is that because because Howell
isn't one of these, got offense isn't working is intended.
So like yeah, Datsun could be the first three or McMahon could
be the 1st St. on a bunch of these and isn't getting
targeted. OK, but those, that's a good
point. But those low end ones are those
still above like 50%? Yeah, yeah, but they say
everyone but Fields and Russell Wilson are over 50.
OK, So it's still like the majority of plays are going to
the first read. It's not between like 55 and 75.
So yeah, that's a big difference.
I hear your point that is a big difference and that does make a
difference. But yeah it's I mean the the the
we've talked a lot about the first read stuff.
I was. I was.
I've mentioned before the the QB school stuff and I was watching
some of it last night again and he he did a route where he was
like or he did a breakdown where he was like this route is the
alert route and then this is the first read so you have the the
deep post was the alert. If the safety like bites on this
route then you're going. So it's like A it's like a sub
first read read right like this is the alert then the first read
second read third read. He was like writing it out on
this thing. He writes an A for it.
I'm like well I wonder how they chart this on the first read
data like like what about the alert route like that's so now
we have 2 reads that are the first read the alert route and
the first read because like and there's only what I would
imagine is my guess would be that whatever if that maybe does
the alert route basically is a pre snap read.
Is that what that is like I think it's the same area of the
field and you're expecting like on the deep route the safety
we'll we'll take that out and then you're gonna play to the
first read. So this play was an outside guy
was running a post and then like a slot guy was running like a
deep out, like a sale route, I think.
And so it was like the alert route was the post.
They're gonna go with him, though, and then the first read
is the sale. But if they don't go with him,
then you just throw that. That's the alert.
Either of those receivers would be charred as a first read
target, right? And that's why that's some of my
issues have been like, there's sometimes two guys that can be
the first read on the same for sure.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's absolutely
true. Like you can.
The read can be like a defender, right?
Exactly. So it's easier to call it on the
quarterback side. So I do think the quarterback
numbers are really interesting. I'm very excited to see you dig
into that more and write about that more because that's and
like and also like what you said about Mahomes, you've obviously
had more time to think about this.
But it's it is like within the offense, the way that they do
things and and like the strength of his receivers, that makes
sense. Like he would actually be low,
even though he's but he's like so good that he transcends.
He doesn't need it so good. It doesn't matter.
Yeah, right. He's he he would be like, like
if he was at 75% like the they would be putting in 50 a week.
They would put, yeah, they would break records.
Yeah, he probably was when he had the 5050 season, you know,
and that's that's what he did. He had a 5000 passing yard and
50 touchdown season, like when he was a second year player his
MVP year, his first year as a starter, he fell for 5000 yards,
18 year. Yeah, yeah, he threw for 5050.
The only other guy who's done it, No, he's the only guy who's
done that. Or Brady was the other one who
did it. Did anyone?
Has anyone else? Or Manning was the other one.
Maybe there's one other 5050 season Manning.
Maybe, I don't know, 2013 Manning.
I can't remember. Yeah, I don't remember.
But it it was a great season. 5000 yards and 50 touchdowns is
very good. It.
Was. I'm getting drunk, guys.
Oh, Jamir Gibbs got a pass. Yeah.
All right, here we go. You Anna, helping to mush this
in the right direction for us. I think my under on Gibbs is
safe. Right on cue.
Keep it coming to Ann Hayden. Hayden winks.
Put in a Luke Musgrave early, like a early in the first
quarter. He put it in an in game.
Pick him on the over. So you must.
On Gibbs, Yeah, No. On.
Now this is how we win. Walker made the tackle too.
Oh yes. Let's go quick.
Walker Coy's gonna have 20 tackles.
He's just a guy on the ball. Whoever it is on the ball, I
think he's #7. There he is.
Yeah, right there. Seven.
He was late there but we got to give him an assist, right?
I've given him an assist, yeah. Is this like when MMA guys are
like, I had that round 10810, eight, 10/7.
The guy just like, Oh yeah, no, yeah, no.
He was definitely in on the assist there.
I graded that in an assist. Kevin Cole had a great tweet
that I retweeted a bit ago. I now realize when Brad Holmes
called Jamir Gibbs a positionless player, he
literally meant he won't fill any of the positions on the
field. That's triggering.
That's so triggering. What did you like?
You guys were so excited to draft this dude.
Use him. Do something did did give Goff
look like he got hurt on that that he got crunched a little
bit there like his back kind of got.
Did his head get jammed in the ground That didn't look good.
Make an in game MLB pick up I am.
Too far I'm in. I would be in.
It's a long season. Got to keep a little powder.
Yeah. Oh man.
Oh, that was good. They're punting it away.
I have under 45 and I'm. I'm trying to figure out how
that's still going to hit. Mines are going to win this.
The the -2 is going to come in, but if the Packers score, they
got to go for two. If they score and don't get it,
we get to 44 total points. So this game could end at 271744
total points. The under comes in that's what
I'm that's what I'm banking on that third quarter, I mean not a
lot of points in that third quarter, eight points.
I feel good about our under pick them.
If we didn't that Christian Watson catch, I know man 125
yard catch that's I liked that because it was 23 1/2 and I was
like that might be two catches and then he gets one long ass
catch. That was just the, I think doing
the five lowers was just a case of us knowing too much ball, you
know, because you you want to have a couple lowers.
But the all lowers it just it's too much.
It really was. It was.
It was a lot of ball to know. In that situation.
Watson did catch one more pass for a yard and ATV and missed
that. Yeah, and Dobbs 6 for 65 now.
Is he is he coming over? The good for him.
Oh yeah. He didn't catch that one on 4th
down. That's right.
But they gave it to him. Yeah, the TV catch did not hit
the over for Watson. It was already over, it was 23
1/2. He had a 24 yard catch and then
he caught A1 yard pass and now he's at 25.
So he's a yard and a half over. Try just like a fun end around
thing that isn't quite an end around because it's pass and he
catched it, but it's really far back.
Just try it. Just go for it.
Just see what works, what what's, run him a screen and
then have him circle back all the way around and try to
reverse field and lose 10 yards like.
It'll be great. Well, no.
You don't know what's gonna happen.
It could be good. It could be good.
It could be a touchdown. Don't assume you're gonna lose
10 yards. I love that we have a Sean
Tucker in the chat. How you doing?
Sean Tucker? Are you gonna overtake Rashad
White? That's the big question.
I want to know anytime soon. Yeah, it does not seem like it,
but it doesn't seem like it but Rashad White.
Yeah, it's terrible, but he's putting up fantasy points, baby.
I kind of wish I had some more Rashad White.
No, you don't. I mean, it's it's a good version
of all the It's like everyone paid up for the expensive
version of this play with. How's it?
Him and James Connor, those were the answers right there.
Like they were going back-to-back.
Yeah, just just get it cheaper. Yeah, it is so funny how in
vogue that those, like, seventh round running backs became like
that. You were just mentioning Madison
Acres, Damien Pierce, all of those guys.
There's a couple others I'm forgetting too.
Old was the answer in that kind of six round range, but.
He was around ahead of that, Yeah.
He was near Pierce.
Pierce was in the sixth. Yeah.
Who else was there? Oh, Pacheco was kind of the
other one. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, David Montgomery was probably the the only other one
of those. Yeah, looks like a hit.
Yeah. Look, he was even cheaper.
I mean, Madison was like in the the five sixth turn by the end.
What Montgomery is more like 7 more Dobbs.
Yeah, man. Actors moving the ball, trying
to make this a game, turning up to the line.
We definitely, Let's see. I'm trying to see what is like
that was. They did not get that snap off.
Are you kidding me? Oh wow.
Yes, they wouldn't. They didn't.
That's, yeah. That's good for us.
That just hit the higher on the Jade and Reed 15 1/2 that we
had, but didn't we have that with a Dobbs under?
It's no. It's with and Gibbs that's good.
Yeah, they 100% didn't get that snap off.
That was not even close. But dude, we'll take it.
I'm just trying to get my my under on the game to come in as
well. So I'm like, that's the end of
the corner. That's the end of the corner.
We also I mean we everything hinges on the the La Porta and
Gibbs each getting basically one more catch.
I guess could be a couple for La Porta love.
We need him to get that scramble.
Quay's about to take care of business.
He's he's one more tackle that we're going to lock that one up.
Reid just went over. So we, I don't know.
We could sweep some of these three Mans if we get these
lines. Yeah, we just, yeah, we need the
lines to come through here. Yeah, they're gonna come
through. I mean, the Packers are about to
score and make this a game. They're gonna have to come back
out and do some stuff. Yeah, that'd be very nice.
What? What non Dolphins Bills game?
Are you guys most excited for this weekend?
The kind of like the toilet bowl.
Broncos. Bears.
I mean. Yeah they can't stop anything.
Neither team can stop anything. Yeah, that one.
Also their offense as well. No they don't.
I kind of like that they all you want.
The bear sucks. But the the Broncos offense has
not been bad. They've been.
They've been OK yeah I have my little list of that's in my big
into more tomorrow. I had the Chicago like plus 150
on the money line at home, but I'm gonna put the over on that
too for that game. After you said that, there's a
pretty good shot that game, actually, if you want.
I think. I mean, I'd legit think like
Fields, like the Broncos, like, literally cannot stop anyone
fast. We know that, right?
Fields is incredibly fast. Like, if he's going to ever do
anything all season, it's got to be here.
Like this is the spot, yeah. What do you guys set?
If I told you you to take higher or lower Marvin Mims 50% of the
routes on Sunday, I felt very confident.
Lower. But then Scott Barrett had a
tweet with a clip of Cecil. Lamb, 8, talking about how they
changed some stuff up and then the wide receiver rotation is
going to be different and I'm like and then Jerry Judy is got
a knee thing and he's like limited with a knee.
I still, I still think he's like gonna jump because he The thing
is he's like at 28%, so he can jump up a lot and still not hit
50. So I would still take the under,
but I don't feel nearly as confident.
Yeah. I mean, Brandon Johnson last
week at 56%, that's where it has to come from, right?
Like Judy Humphrey, too, He's ahead.
Yeah, man, Read. He's had a bounce though.
But yeah, nice catch. No way.
You got those feeding. What was the game?
I was going to say the Rams at the Colts is kind of intriguing
to me. The Colts have been playing
really fast. I am my other.
One, Yeah. Yeah, I think, no surprise.
But Puka I think is really set up.
It's cuz I think the pass rush is decent on the Colts and let
me get the ball out quick. I think Puca's going to.
Have it in one down week on PUCO.
Like even in the Battle Royale drafts, he is very gettable.
Like, he's not here we go right back.
Let's go rush it in. Love.
There it is. Is that was that 6 1/2 yards?
That's close. How many might have only been 6?
What yard line were they at? Oh my God, I think they're at
the six. Were.
They at the six, it's a six and a half.
Yard. Higher.
Lower. Oh my God.
What yard line were they at? Oh, no.
There's like 9. There's a nine.
I think we'll go. Yeah, there's a nine.
Boom. There we go.
Let's go. All right.
This is I'm just hanging so. Redid it, love.
Did it. We know Quay's gonna do it all.
The Packers are coming through. We just need our lions.
All right, it's LaPorte Mines haven't run any plates in the
second-half. The going for two is a big play.
This is good, people. Really good for like our Lions
past stuff. But we got stoned.
Gosh. In love.
Fumbling it on the two point conversion.
OK. It's 10 points.
The Lions. The Lions gotta.
It's great. I still have my under.
I get that can hold from here. It's possible.
Oh yeah. He's down.
Wow. That's a big boy tackle.
Was that Abe Hutchinson? No.
Who is that? Kaminsky, you just hog tied
them. All right, This, I mean, this
can hold. We need the Lions to move the
ball but not get into field goal range and then punt.
Packers are backed up. They can do some stuff.
They get a turnover on downs. Lions run out the game.
Those are the next three drives and we get, we get, you know,
all the all the line stuff we need.
It's going to be great. The game script has flipped in
favor of these. Look at They're showing it.
Look at how long that was on 000.
My God, they're going back to the Jane Reed play.
It was on 000 for SO. Anyway, we got over on.
Let's see. That was great.
Let's see what the current line is for Gibbs and La Porter,
right? Because we have it at 14 and a
half 68 1/2 because my guess is those have gone.
Is it completely pulled? All right.
Doesn't look like they're offering it.
All right. I was curious what it would be
that's smart, they're afraid we're, we know, they know, we
know ball so well that we might hit it again here in the fourth
quarter. Guys, I'm just pouring
margaritas over here. I'm sipping on God, clearly not
at the pace you're on right now. This is interesting.
We've had God, Ben and I have been rotating on and off.
So last week I was drinking and you weren't Ben, I was sober
last week. This week I'm sober and you're
I'm drinking. Someone has to.
Produce the show and take care of a nine month old around here.
Aren't you drinking? Though yes, but I'm kidding the.
Equivalent of a of a designated driver on this street.
Well, you're drinking again, aren't you?
Drinking. Cheers.
How are you the equivalent of? What doesn't it drive?
Not I am, because I'm literally so far.
Yeah, you're the one. Because you were literally so
far. You're not having to drive
though the amount of screen sharing I'm having to do.
Come on, let's go to Gibbs. Not my, that's not.
That's my Well, that's true. I'm not driving.
You are driving. Yeah, I gotta keep Nick safe the
stream just for the audio listener.
So is that what I wanna wear? God.
Damn it, She had asked for it like three times.
I got like 3 requests for me to Gretch Burp.
I mean, Gretch Burp's over under 1.5 Gretch Burp's.
We're still on the under right now.
Yeah, we are still on the under. Sorry.
I had one coming. So why are you going to
Montgomery and came? Come on, everything's backwards.
I'm drinking tequila right now. I'm not drinking beer.
The beer is where the burps come from.
Yeah, gretcha. What age did you start teaching
your daughters to toss your beers?
I don't know. They're quick.
I I would text my wife and my wife would send her how to toss
is what I'm getting. It started from my wife who's an
Angel. Like I text her, hey can you
bring me a beer? And then she would send the kids
up and they just got a kick out of it.
But like the fact Oh my God another pass to Montgomery
happening. Why?
Quay, the chat is loving way
alright. So all of our Packers have done
their job in these. Just need some.
There they are, three little greens right here.
This is what we're sweating 3 picks for 603 picks for 603,
picks for 600. It all comes down to LaPorte.
It's just a little bit of Gibbs and LaPorte receiving.
Yeah, but Gibbs isn't even out there right now.
I. Know in Montgomery.
Looks like the second coming. A Ladainian Tomlinson right now.
The visor. Dude.
Look, it works, All right. How it looks jogging off so the
second coming of Sean Green can can jog on and run the ball.
Oh my God. Sean Green is a name.
I have not thought of it a long time.
Wow. SHONN.
Sean Green. Yeah, big time dead zone guy.
I'd take a goth. Pick six right now.
Let's reset things. You gotta throw a swing past it,
Gibbs. You got the receiver in.
Why? What?
What is this running back usage. It's so weird man.
What was that fucking. I legit think they're like no
one will think this is what we're gonna do like this is
gonna yeah they're outsmarting themselves.
They're leveling them. They're just Galaxy brain like
to fucking. They look on full like game
theory. Like fucking.
Well, really don't with Dan Campbell has his kicker, Riley
Patterson line drive and onside kick at the fattest guy on the
Packers hands. Oh, this is where the Packers
kicker is going to get his field goal, by the way, that was.
Gone some La Porter, Gibbs. Let's go here.
Oh, great. More.
Time. What is the point of this?
Other than that, it works very well.
That might be the point, but that's not that.
Also got them into field goal range.
There goes the under Unless rather, Patterson just misses
the field goal. Man, this is gonna be a brutal
sweat. It is.
I'm I'm way more concerned about our underdog sweat.
For the record, I've talked way more about the actual under,
but, like, well, they gotta throw.
Why do they throw to La Porta first half?
You're winning 27 to 3 is what is what it.
Is there's La Porta leaks out? Oh, he had him.
Why do you like Josh Reynolds so much?
Because he heard a really good Porter.
On the numerical BBM4 league winner scale.
And he's been. That was a great example of the
layered routes where he could have thrown the La Porta or
Reynolds and it would have probably been a first read in
the charting. Either way, he has both routes
where he's looking, yeah, but he, I mean that's a really good
quarterback play to go take the rip down feel.
I think you're right. I think.
I think that will be charged as the first read and would have
been charged as the first read the other way too.
Yeah, that's why so many of them are probably charged.
If he just takes the check down, like that's just a quarterback
decision. If he comes out of that hand,
that that play fake and he takes the check down like it'll look
just like that's what it was intended to be, was a little
flat pattern. There's no way to know, like
what his actual progression is, you know?
Ultimately, there's no way to know.
Anyway, I love chatting. With you about this, the
audience is like, why do you guys talk about this so much?
Like, I was thinking about this earlier today, Pat, we have done
this type of conversation with Targets per Outrun a couple of
years ago with go all the way back to the first podcast that
we ever did together. We did projections and we would
love the idea of doing these alternate projections where we
would assume things were like a player's injured for the whole
year. It's like we've had so many
conversations about how can we look at things like what the way
that we're looking at stats and things like how do we, like,
adjust them and what's the right way to do it.
And like, we've done a bunch of this weird stuff all the years
that we've done stuff together. It's the same thing that we're
doing right now with the first. Well, I've been obsessed with
First Streets for years. And yes, I had a chance to write
about it last year for the first time, which was nice.
But yeah, it's like what's being charted?
And now, now Fancy Points has put out a bunch of stuff on it
too. So it's like more widely out
there, which is awesome. But the the thing that's being
charted is we can tell who's been targeted as a first read.
But what I would love. Here's here's what I would love.
We have, we're starting to get all this player tracking data
and we're starting to get all this like film tracking data
that's like similar to player tracking data.
You know, where they're actually like sort of charting where the
guys are using the film using like the frames and everything.
We can figure out these playbooks we can knowing what
the plays are is the next is the next thing that they're running,
they're calling this play. You want to figure out their
exact playbook. I want to know what the plays
are. And then on those plays, we know
what the reads are likely to be. Maybe some of the better coaches
will change that over time. Yeah, as people start to figure
it out. But that's the next thing is
what are the plays? How is this play designed to
work? Who's executing it correctly?
Who's taking the aggressive? Who's like?
Because we can. Some of the guys who are doing
film evaluation are doing this. Already they're like, you know,
explaining why you know Stafford is is willing to throw this type
of route when another guy is not willing to throw that he takes
the easier check down or whatever.
But like that type of of knowledge in a giant sample is
like what we could have I think in a couple years with with the
player tracking. Hey you just start.
A blog about that and call it stealing signals.
I think it. Was perfectly titled blog.
That's great. No, I mean that's it's funny too
because when I again, I go back to the QB school stuff.
J2T O'Sullivan does these videos.
I haven't even watched a ton of them.
I've just seen a lot of clips on Twitter.
I just yesterday for the first time went to his YouTube and
apparently has a Patreon as well.
But he, having been at the NFL level, watches these plays and
can pretty quickly identify what the route combinations are, what
the play called was and what the intentional progression was like
this is what it was supposed to be.
And this is he's supposed to go from here to here to here to
here as the quarterback and you know does it with enough
confidence that I believe that he probably has a good idea of
what it is there goes the under, but no he has he like that's I I
think you're right that there are people that can certainly
observe that stuff. But it's interesting because as
you said, some coaches, that's something else I've seen a lot
of over the years, and I remember particularly Peyton
Manning. It was a Wes Welker, Peyton
Manning combination. I remember this getting broken
down. It must have been 2013, 2014.
But Manning at the goal line, I always loved the the dig route.
So they would be like the little like square in, three yards,
square in. So you have the outside receiver
go up and then run right one yard deep in the end zone, run
right parallel to the line of scrimmage, back towards the line
of scrimmage, and you hit these guys coming in and whoever it
was was breaking down on NFL Live or whatever.
And he's showing this formation that they ran this play in week
two and they hadn't run it since.
Or he's telling us they haven't run it since.
And it was Wes Welker out of the slot, ran that little square in
and even out of the slot, Manning would time it so well
right when he breaks in the balls there.
And it was like a cheat code for me.
And it's funny that we don't see that as much anymore.
But the square end of the goal line was a Manning staple.
So he's showing this breakdown, and then it's like Week 6 or
whatever, and it's exact. He shows how it's the exact same
formation, exact same layout, but Welker sells that and then
pivots back out. It's a whip route.
And then the outside guy is clearing out and it's just and
the and the cornerback. He shows how hard the cornerback
bites on it. And the whole point is, the
cornerback's not biting on this just because Welker sold it so
well. He's biting on it because back
in week 2IN film study, they saw this formation, they saw this
route. He thinks he's jumping this,
this route. He knows the Peyton Manning.
But Peyton Manning is a step ahead of you.
He thinks you're going to know this play.
We've not shown this formation at the goal line since week two.
We're going to show it again in Week 6, and we're going to do
the opposite of what you saw on film.
You think you identified something, but we're going to be
a step ahead of you and we're going to do it the opposite way.
And the devil moves going to work perfection.
And it does. And he's wide open, you know,
for this easy toss for a TV. And like, I mean that that's the
kind of stuff that's like, again, in the, in the, in the
cat and mouse game. Like, there's no way for us to
know. Even if we do know, we don't
know. Like, that's what you said when
you were talking about it. They're still going to be
evolving the place. You know, like, for sure some of
the coaches are still going to be evolving.
No, not there. I mean, even the bad coaches are
evolving. They're just, yeah, evolving.
Like they're bad at it. The.
All right, let's see here the the La Porta usage has been
well, Cray, Walker jumped over the center.
Are you guys watching this Cray? Walker I think it's up to 20
tackles now. What?
That What can't that guy do? Oh, first and goal.
They took the points off the board.
The under is. Still locking like content.
Oh, before I forget, I'm going to post the the form here in the
chat. So our giveaway this week is now
rolling over. Be unless Luke Musgrave, you
know, miraculously is unruled out If you already filled out
this form, don't fill this out again.
We'll have to just go remove it. But this is to get your underdog
username, your YouTube username. So next week if we hit our core
pick them, it'll be a $400. Give away but we need to get
your information. Once we win, we will do.
We will spin the wheel and and give one of you underdog users
$400.00. Yeah, a lot of fucking money
there. How about the the court?
This the core of this week? Yeah, I wasn't.
Hit either though. I know.
The Marvin Jones fade that would have been if like Musgrave had
gotten there. This would have been a very fun
fourth quarter. I can't believe we didn't get a
Gibbs or LaPorte to catch on this drive.
That was brutal. The did Montgomery had two
catches, I think, on this drive. Yeah, that was bullshit.
That's what killed us. What?
How did that happen? How did you not throw to LaPorte
after his first half? In the whole second-half so far
guy was open it for play. 5 targets, 4 catches, 56 yards.
The only non catch pass was the one he dropped.
It Hang on, let me clarify this. If you have already filled out
the form, it is the exact same form if you put in your
username. I'm just gonna remove any
duplicate. So save me the time.
Save yourself the time. If you have already filled out
the form any week, it's the same form for the whole for all time,
yeah, yeah. I am just bringing it up for
people who are tuning in for the first time this week and have
not filled it out. 4th and goal, are they going to go for it?
Oh my God, the under is so live guys.
They took the field goal off the board and they're going for it
on 4th down because the field goal doesn't really matter when
you're up 10. Why would you go up 13?
This is amazing. If they get stuffed here with 60
minutes left, the Under is live. They really did go four straight
Montgomery rushes and it worked. Somebody in chat was asking if
they really went for four straight Montgomery rushes, his
third rushing touchdown of the game.
I'm going to go get the other mixer so I can make more
margaritas. It's been it's been real all.
Right. I don't think our I don't think
these pickums are going to get there.
I don't think so either, man. I just don't see how we get the
receptions. And apparently that penalty was
was because of our guy Quay Walker.
You live by the Quay. You die by the quest.
Yeah, he's doing everything we said it.
He's doing everything tonight, man.
I was just, do you know what you what the optimizers are spitting
out a bunch for this week. Fucking Jimmy Garoppolo.
Double stacks. And he's might not even play, I
know. Well, what?
What's the bring back on that? Well, both Palmer and Keenan
Allen are showing up and stuff. Yeah, Puka, you mentioned Puka.
Like, that is going to be a really interesting one, just
because he's so he's like priced up at 6700.
But that looks pretty nice. That's I'm I'm still very
interested. I think he's going to get a
strawberry. Margarita mix.
Looks pretty nice, yeah. This this lady will be
interesting to the Debo Q tag is going to be because if if Debo's
out, I mean like Kittle is going to get crazy steamed.
You think people go to IU? Yeah, that's a good question.
He's out because he's he's off the injury report, right?
Think he's full? I don't know he practiced.
Yesterday and yeah. That should be curse.
Ayuk. Limited.
OK, yeah, ETR Leone has an
aggressive projection on he has a He has pook with a higher
ceiling than A.J. Brown, CD, Liam T Higgins, Mike
Evans. I really think it's a good week.
For him, yeah. I mean, you know, Montgomery's
season long, over 6 1/2 TV's looking pretty good.
Can someone confirm to me that that was his over for the year?
Montgomery 6 1/2 touchdowns. That's like what Jamal Williams
scored 20 and everyone was like, he's going to take Jamal
Williams role. He scored 20 in that role. 6 1/2
seems like a good bet. I don't remember that one.
That's crazy. What do you what do you guys
think about Fields? Oh, I like him.
Yeah, I met on that. Are you going to stack him or
just naked? I think it would have to be with
DJ Moore and I just. I just don't know if I can do
it. Yeah, let me see.
How much is DJ Moore This. I mean, I guess you could do
come at. I feel like he's a pretty good
naked play as far as naked plays go.
Like he can run for 100. You also have no idea who's
gonna get the arts. Like, it could be DJ Moore, but
like, it could be Tyler Scott, man.
It could be command, it could be anyone, yeah.
Probably You know why you you can't do DJ Moore is because the
stat you just said Pat about. Percentages of first read.
He's the lowest in the NFL. He holds the ball so fricking
long. That's one reason to maybe do
it, though, because like, we don't know how many first reads
DJ Moore has been like designed to be.
And the throw didn't go there. So if the matchup lightens up
like against air, DJ Moore's probably the guy he's throwing
to a lot in practice. Like in training camp, he's
throwing the DJ more constantly. So against air he probably the
1st St. all the time, yeah, but then in the game he's not
getting the 1st St. targets. But that could be because
they're not In Sync or feel or it's a tough matchup or
whatever, like you're saying matchup.
So against the bad matchup, maybe all of a sudden it's like
got a 20 percent, 25% first St. target, right?
And you're like, holy shit where this come from?
For sure. But it's a complete unknown.
It's like a stab in the dark, like you don't like.
My argument for is like, is literally just.
We don't know. That's my my Bowl case, All
right, we need a quick Packer score.
Yeah, we do. And their version of like going
up tempo is burning a lot of play clock.
And take they're on 17 now. So I mean, even if they get the
quick score, it's kind of, yeah, we're just running out of time.
Lions are just going to run the ball at that point because
there's still going to be two positions up.
We're done. We're dusted.
It's put in real that that drive, that was our drive and
the Packers couldn't stop shit. And Montgomery was the bell,
Cowboy the. Whole time.
And they've rushed with Jamir Gibbs.
Yep. Cool.
I can't believe LA Porter did not get a second-half target.
That's surprising. Not even one to him.
I did say early golf might end this game with a very low number
of past tense. He will ends with 26, probably.
I don't think he throws again in this game.
I think the line was 31. At half time.
Damn. Yeah, they ended up with 36
rushes, 26 pass attempts. I mean that's a huge it.
It it should be 6040 passes to runs.
Typically, like people think 5050 is balanced.
It's not. In terms of average NFL play
calling 5050 is very run heavy. They were 36 runs, 26 passes.
They were beyond 5050 towards the run obviously.
Yeah, I think I was looking at that.
I think there's been two instances all season where a.
Pick. Oh, he caught that.
I think he was out of bounds. Whoa.
How did that? Bend up in Samar Torre's hands.
They're rushing it up. They don't want that reviewed.
But Dan Campbell's not throwing any challenge for like, said.
Ooh, you got mossed bro. Does he get 2 feet down?
Yeah, it looks like that's a catch.
Nice. That is, it's.
Nice, that was. Right through the defender's
hands, though. Maybe, I don't know, catch it.
I was gonna say there's only been two instances, I believe,
of a team hitting a 45% passing rate or lower.
So, you know, in all the games, what is that?
Branch? Branch is back.
Sorry, branch. Branch left earlier on a cart.
I thought he tore his ACL and it's all his tweets.
He's a rookie, like he's been so incredible and it was so awful
that he's out and it looks so bad and he's back on the field
in this game. Why are they fucking playing
him? Well, I don't think he tore his
ACL. No, he didn't tear his ACL.
That's a good thing. They were carting him off
earlier. I mean, great to see the.
I think they take him up, right? Is that the guy they were?
They must have taped him up. Yeah.
Here. Will Brinson, CBS former
colleague of mine, Brian Branch Got card off.
Zero reason to have him on the field.
Up 17 with 5 minutes left. Yeah, that's strange.
That's weird. What are you doing?
But also great news. For the long.
Term Lions dynasty. Liam will be pumped.
You know that Brian Branch is healthy.
He's not out for the year. It's a good thing you said and
the bears in that in that tape, because if I can't, you know and
I've been. Luckily in the clip I focused
more on the bears. I mostly laughed at the bears
being a dynasty. So when the lines go down as a
dynasty, I will always be able to point to the the bears as as
really what I was objecting to. Liam thought the.
Bears were going to be a dynasty.
When the Lions are like winning their 5th Super Bowl, he
thought, the Bears are gonna be a dynasty.
One of the greatest calls ever on the lions is put a fool.
I can see Liam like stitching together a video that just like
removes and bears like every bed to.
Them you. Just get another clip of me
saying the Lions from elsewhere in the video.
So our our boy Quay. Here's a Here's a tweet Quay
Walker cost his team with a disqualification penalty versus
the Lions in Week 18, then follows it up on Thursday Night
Football with an absurd, unsportsmanlike conduct penalty
in the fourth quarter. Good player, but a total
liability. You can't win games with dumb
penalties like that. Tough scene for our boy who is.
That I don't know. Someone named Warren Sharp
retweeted it. Yeah, cuz they were definitely
winning this game before that penalty, come on.
I mean, what? Don't come a quiz on that.
He has all of their tackles. We've been, we've been sweating
his tackle numbers. No one else has any tackles on
their own. No one else has any tackles.
He's their only player that's doing anything.
I don't make rules guy Paul. Paul Quay droppable.
That's a great. I'm sorry, I think he got it.
I think, yeah, you know. What?
There it is. There's the pick.
There's the pick that. That's why.
That's why Underdog wouldn't let us bet hire.
That's right on the die and. Tea guys.
I'm putting that interception on Quay Walker.
He he's a liability, yeah. You got to drop Quay in your IDP
leagues, guys. Those 20 tackles, listen, he's
not a good team player. He's a liability.
Yeah, we can't. We can't be putting up with
that. Once again, Romeo Dobbs just
takes off and starts like, I mean, I love Romeo Dobbs, but
the whole reason that was a pick is he was open and he was
running away from he like showed himself as open to his
quarterback and then turned around and ran the other
direction and the and then the defender was there and got it.
He played a break, Played a break on his quarterback it.
Was funny. Everyone laughed.
I gotcha. I'm not there.
Don't workout. What are you doing?
If you're open, just stay there. How about a pass that laported
just for, like, shits and giggles?
Just be hilarious. Just like, yeah, just a little
play action. Gives the motion.
OK, there he. Is.
Oh my God, Gibbs. How is this is not helping your
cause, Bud. Stopping the clock that.
I mean speaking. The truth right now, I just, I
mean we we we asked for it. We didn't even deserve an
opportunity to get that. And then he drops it.
Oh God goodness. Stop the clock.
They're never going to do it again.
They're going to run every play from here on.
I mean, like, it was almost a moment.
We almost had a thing. Brittany is texting me about
this game and she's as tilted as any of us so far.
I've got I got at one point Ben and I were having a conversation
and then I got a text from her and this is the only time she's
text me like lasts like 3 hours. It starts with.
Are you fucking kidding me? OK, let's just see what it is.
Is she sweating our pickups with us?
She said six to seven plays in a row that don't include St.
Brown or La Porta, who are both on the field.
Oh my God, I love this. Is this her fantasy team?
I think this is the fantasy team.
Yeah, cuz she has the port, she has the Porta and St.
Brown. So she goes, How many times are
you gonna give the ball to Montgomery?
Why does Goff only give the ball to Montgomery?
I don't think golf knows how to throw the throw a football.
He fucking sucks. That's that's how you know
you're a true ship chaser. If you're tilting, David might
be very. My God, this is this is, oh,
beautiful. Yeah.
So beautiful. Not happy with Jerry Cough right
now. No, I mean, but like, you know,
we all know those emotions very well.
Been there. Her team, it's you guys won't be
surprised. It has Brees Hall, her 90 gifts,
not even out there. Golf takes is this I mean.
How long has she been playing? Is this her first year?
No, she's been playing for. She's been in this league for
like 5 or six years. Oh, nice.
Yeah. But this is about as serious
that I've seen her take it. I mean, once you, I was gonna
say once you win $2,000,000 on this, she's gonna take it a
little more serious. Like her whole life got changed
off fancy football. Suddenly, she cares about fancy
football a little more. Yeah, but.
She gets like way more. About this league.
Than like any of the stuff I'm doing.
Yeah, but like, my wife doesn't really care.
She knows what fancy football is.
She understands the whole thing. She likes them.
Games are on, but she doesn't fucking care about fancy
football. But if I want us $2,000,000, I
think suddenly she'd be like, you know what?
I'm kind of going to get into the Sobby.
This sounds like fun. I can totally see that David
Mike got. So she's doing well.
The feet of Berkeley. The vision of Le'veon Bell.
The strength of Zeke. The athleticism of Sony.
Michelle. That's amazing.
Was Sony Michelle ever athletic? No.
Well, before he lost his knees, yeah, he was like, Aren't there
so many better examples of an athletic running back?
It's super funny because he was in college at Georgia with Nick
Chubb. And Sony Michelle was thought of
as the like lightning to Nick Chubb's Thunder.
That was the way. That's crazy.
Isn't that crazy? Yeah.
It actually is crazy. He was drafted ahead of Nick
Chubb. He was the first shot.
He was drafted ahead of Nick Chubb even though he's a year
older. I believe Nick Chubb, dude.
I actually, I remember where I was when Nick Chubb tours knee
the first time because I remember like I didn't watch a
ton of college. I've never really watched a ton
of college football, but. Nick Chubb was.
I was like, this guy looks like Adrian Peters, like he, he looks
like, insanely good. I'm super psyched about this
dude entering the league and then he tore up his knee.
But I want that must have like, hurt his draft stock because
there's like, he was so clearly that.
Yeah, Dobbs is is Dobbs.
Over 100 yards yet? Keep on racking it up, you guys.
Yeah, Dobbs having him one of those PPR games?
Sure. Grit
this is like. What was the?
Last week we haven't seen any Christian Watson by the way,
like they did actually end up taking those guys off the field.
I think we were directionally accurate.
I mean, you know, we know ball still, let's put it that way.
Look, the Gibbs, the first one that we had right was that Gibbs
catch away and and the tight end stuff.
Didn't we get everything else? Let me see.
Mont. Monty had higher This is just
going to hurt to look at. Yeah, No.
Oh, that was the core. It was.
It was the LA Porta over. They kicked a field goal.
The kicker, the kicker stuff is dead.
The. Fact that kicked a field goal.
The original What was our core pick?
So do you know what's? Do you know what's actually kind
of a blessing If Gibbs didn't have that 5 yards taken off on
that one catch and this would have cleared it and then we
would have just been tilting. No LaPorte usage.
Yeah, the entire second-half we went from, we went from calling
Sam LaPorte a baby Kittle and and then he just disappeared in
the second. Which is just like regular
Kittle. We just like Kittle.
Yeah, just regular. So is it true homage?
What's the? What was the core entry tonight?
The core was the Marv Lower which beautiful Musgrave got
hurt and then Gibbs might he was.
This was the 17 1/2 from the. How does Gibbs not go over that?
Why did you draft Gibbs 12th overall?
Why did you draft him 12th overall if you're not going to
throw him the fucking ball? The guy had like a three plus
yards per outrun in college as a fucking running back.
It's this whole goddamn thing. Ha.
Like, was he not the best running back receiving prospect
of all time? Like, not all time, I wouldn't
say of all time. But he was very he was a very
good running back prospect. But, like, he's legitimately
over the 90th percentile of all time.
Like, obviously not of all time, but like very, very, very high
on this list. And they don't.
They were so excited to draft him way ahead of anyone else,
and they're not using him at the thing that he was fucking good
at. Wish he caught that ball.
Yeah, that's not great. It's not, oh, someone pointing
out Ben Johnson? Not in that video And what
video? The video of everyone
celebrating I don't see. Do you guys?
I need to rewatch it. I haven't seen Ben Johnson in
it. Yeah, it's Campbell and the GM.
Yeah. Yeah, Brad Holmes.
Yeah, they're stoked. Yeah, that would actually make
sense if there's a disconnect there.
I still don't understand how you make a pic of both overall that
you haven't talked to your offensive coordinator about,
Hey, would you like to use this player?
And you're scheming. OK, we'll draft him.
Like, I mean, maybe have that conversation man.
Musgrave, Ben Johnson over here. Hey, would you like to use him?
No, I don't think he's very good.
I'm just gonna hand him the ball up the middle.
Ben Johnson does not look like a golden retriever, guys.
Ben Johnson's the offensive coordinator.
Dan. He looks like an offensive
coordinator. He looks like Dan Campbell if he
didn't lift. Right.
He does actually. Yeah.
He just looks like me showing up for My Portfolio review show on
a Monday morning right there. And then you got this.
I mean, the meatiest of meatheads.
I didn't realize Dan Campbell used to have a little Sam or TJ
Hawkins that flog on. Bit of a golden retriever, yeah.
Oh true, that's a golden retriever if I've ever seen.
It not a bit of a golden retriever.
Look at this man. Whole.
She might be the golden retriever.
He's dude. He's the original.
The OG. Look at Look at the thighs.
That's a golden that guy's. Ready to run?
Every every breed has to have something that you're pointing
to. See is the is the standard goal,
right? Look at this, man.
Wow, that's college era. Wow.
Little La Porta, SI would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Little kittle
ask. College era, too.
They all grow it out in the pros.
That's the move. Wow.
Look at the size of his neck. Dude.
That could be la porta like that could be La Porta's dad.
Why does this headline not surprise me?
Dan Campbell apologizes for anti-gay remark in college.
Jesus. Oh, my God.
Now. Gibbs.
Gibbs.
Gibbs Yeah. It's also just like they really
didn't. They never truly had to be in
catch up mode here. There was never any sense of
urgency needed for this offense tonight.
Yeah, it's true. God, this is this game won't,
won't end. Who took a time at Green Bay?
No, the lions. Why the Lions take a time out?
I feel like Kelsey has gotten enough publicity this past week.
Now search because I because I think there there's a bit of a
debate here. People are saying he destroys
the model. Let's go to let's do Travis
Kelsey at Cincinnati. Let's see what he looked like in
I I think Travis Kelsey falls way more in frat boy territory
than he does Golden Retriever territory.
I agree. Yeah.
Look at Jason Kelsey right there.
Like middle left. Yeah, that's amazing.
Looks like Belushi or something. Yeah, he's got some some man
tits going on there. Yeah, to me, if if we're
slotting him in buckets, Kelsey's firmly in the frat.
Boy One, I mean. For sure.
Yeah. I mean, dude like Taylor Swift's
not dating. Yeah, she's dating the frat boy.
Yeah, let's be honest. Yeah.
What does he's still like? He's wearing designer clothes
his whole career. He's got the dance moves in the
end zone like Kelsey's. He's very GQ, let's be honest.
So who was this hope for Michael Mayer is what you're telling me?
Yeah, that might be hope for Michael Mayer.
So who? What are the other categories
that the tight ends can fall in? If we have golden retriever and
we got Frat boy there, there has to be something like the dad
runner, right? Like the dad.
Runner Jason Winton. Pull up Jason Winton.
Yeah, just straight up Dad runner.
You nailed it. Oh, he He even started the dad
runner. Where did he go to college?
I. Don't remember?
Oh, that's a good question. I knew.
Oh, Tennessee. Tennessee.
I thought it was a Texas school. He went to Tennessee.
God, he's so old. Look at those shoulder pads.
I love when you can, like, tell how old the guy is by how look
at like, look at how huge those shoulder pads are.
It's crazy. Look at this photo.
I mean. It's like they're playing a
different sport. Like, it's great.
I can't find a photo of his helmet off from college.
He's got the frat bro look for sure.
That's what I that's what I was saying.
I think it's more frat bro actually and he just because dad
runner's like a the second evolution of.
Yeah. Jake Ballard, Jake Ballard, I
believe he was one of the one of the guys who started the dad
runner thing with with. I mean, obviously, Denny.
And ohh, that's amazing. That's probably scandal.
Wasn't any giants. So this is a new, this is a new
archetype here. This is like the Prince William
archetype. Elaborate.
He looks like Prince William. Yeah, he does.
He looks like a royalty. He looks like a like fucking
English royalty. You want to play in the NFL?
Like, that's what it is. What is it?
What is Zach Ertz? Oh.
Bad at football? I don't know, frat boy.
Oh, that's, that's. Oh, look at the big golden tips.
Oh God, yeah, Frosted tips. Look at the one right below that
one or two of these. Click the one right below that.
Click the one right below the one you're clicking right now.
I didn't. I've never seen that one.
The Eagles. One right there with the Mohawk.
The Golden Mohawk. My God, yeah.
Do Gronk. Do do Gronk.
Well, that's Gronk is actually a little bit of a hybrid.
He's a hybrid and fat boy. Yeah, he is more retriever
though. Yeah, he's he's more retriever,
but he's both. That's such a good boy.
I want to play fetch with him, yeah, yeah.
So the two, the two best tight ends of at least our era of
football maybe ever, are Gronk and Kelsey.
And they they are kind of the the peak of each archetype
Golden Schultz might be like. The boy next door, yeah.
Probably in Pat's reaction. Cuz you did say that with a
little bit of a you. I know it.
Pat just died. The boy next door.
Yeah, you know, there's something very.
Welcoming It's it's almost got the fantasy podcast.
Yeah. Look at us the headbands a
couple rows down. I mean that's that's very angry.
Barnett the chap puts Garrett Barnett in.
You know what? Actually, this is Kyle Pitts
does have that golden retriever to him.
I actually haven't seen that many interviews of Kyle Pitts,
but like that. Oh wait, that's a that's so
weird, those pictures. Like, that's a very young photo.
Of very prepared to this point, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Why does he's?
Got the stash now. Have you guys seen him with the
stash? No.
Let me see. He currently has a mustache
type. Kyle pits Mustache.
I might just do past month there.
All right, I'll try Mustache. Those aren't face shots.
Ooh, that's more like sophisticated.
Like nerd. Yeah.
Is there a nerd bucket? More the GQ style, yeah?
There you go, Kyle. Pitch was asked if he started.
Click on that one down there, bottom right of the screen,
right now. Bottom right of the screen,
lower, lower there. OK, that like, yeah, I mean, I
don't even know if that's really it though.
He had it like I saw him last week.
He had like a like, he didn't have the beard anymore.
He just has a stash right now. I wish I would have watched this
video before I drafted my teams should listen to the fantasy
doctors. What about about Jared Cook?
Jared Cook, I don't know. He he kind of has a little
little playful golden retriever, too.
Yeah, I think there's a retriever there for sure.
Yeah, I didn't see it, fellas. This.
Was more sophisticated. Wait, what about?
This was kind of a nerd. Dawson Knox is going to be a fat
bro, I think. No, you know what he's like.
White water rafting instructor, bro.
Outdoorsman Outdoorsman's the one we haven't done yet.
Yeah, like. Very clear fly fishing with
Dawson Knox. Which is really what Hockinson
is. When you think about Hockinson's
more an outdoorsman, that's the project carries outdoorsman the
golden retriever. A little bit you care, but but
Hockinson was was always a little shaky as the golden
retriever. Will you do Dallas Got it real
quick. Let me see.
Yeah, I don't even know. I can't even think of what he
freaking looks like at this moment.
Oh yeah. That's an interesting one.
He's Dawson Knox Co instructor in the water rafting.
Yeah, I get. I get the kind of the rugged
outdoorsman vibe. Like he looks like from
something photo. It looks like he just emerged
from like the Appalachian. Trail it really.
For like it really, truly did. Yeah.
He's been gifted a knife.
That's right. He definitely has in his life.
That's happening. Yeah.
He went to South Dakota State. Yeah, no, he definitely has been
gifted a knife. Yeah, yeah, very interesting.
Do you know, man, there's like there's legitimately multiple
players in the NFL. I've never seen what they look
like. Like, I'm pretty sure this is
maybe the first time I've ever seen Dallas Scottard's face like
up close. Like I I don't know if I could
have pointed him out of. Like a?
Do you think you could pick Jake Ferguson out of Leno?
No. Fuck no.
No, I couldn't even think of Jealous Goddard either.
That's why I said him. Somebody mentioned Kobe Fleener.
Kobe Fleener is 100% frat bro. OK, Ferguson.
I'm still not confident. I've ever seen a picture of him.
I don't like no Goddard. I saw and I was like, Oh yeah,
that's what he looks like. Ferguson I saw.
And I was like, who the fuck is that Jake Ferguson?
Looks like Kio's like 10 to 15 years in state penitentiary for
sure. This is the guy that was like
the worst kid in your high school.
For. Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which Kittle Kittle, you could
say, fits into the worst kid in your high school archetype.
He's got a little bit of that. All right, one more and then I
got to go to bed. But we who, who, who we doing
the last one on Kobe? Fleener.
Kobe Flint is just a guaranteed frat Boro.
You can do them quickly. We do get smart.
Jeremy Shockey is a Jeremy Shockey's a fun one.
He's just a frat, bro. He wants to.
Yeah, Kobe. Yeah, dude.
Jeremy Shockey dude, let's finish.
On Jack, Yeah, that'd be all Chucky's.
A good one. He he's a Gronk.
He's a He's like a little Oh my God.
Oh my God. What?
I love that. There's like a hot blonde right
here, dude. Is.
Dating former Bling dude this photo.
Like in his the look on his face and the way he's tilting down.
Would Photoshop so well on the Kevin James meme.
Someone do Jeremy Shockey on the Kevin.
James Meme, Yeah. It's good.
Yeah, like. Oh, it's so good.
This is if if this was me and my team photo, that was going to be
on like every single. I just feel like, man, we got to
do a retake. Like I can't.
He's writing M&MA Letter Buddies terms.
Doesn't that chat, that's good. Yeah.
Cuz these he's definitely in like the George Kittle Quadrant,
as far as kind of like that manic bro.
Yeah, energy. For sure.
Yeah, OK. Oh, it's Jeremy Shockley and
Greg Olson. We haven't talked about yet, but
Greg Olson is frat bro for sure. You got frat bro and man again.
Oh, Greg Olson is the ultimate, I mean.
He's right there. Yeah, 88.
Yeah. No, I know.
I just. I mean.
Oh my God, yeah. Look how good he looks.
He's the best colored commentator in in football right
now. He's the.
Boy next door, please. It looks like it.
It looks like look at that top right picture with his family.
Oh yeah, boy. Next door for sure.
OK. Bone Saw wait time out.
We might need to hang on for a minute because Bone Saw just
started a question or a story. I met Greg Olsen and a Five Guys
just outside of Charleston. I want to know I need I need 5
paragraphs MLA format submitted into the discord.
Topics what happened is that is that's a prompt that I need the
story behind. Yeah, all right, The ship cast
we did, we did not hit our pick up.
But you guys are the winners because next week $400.00
giveaway. We already said it.
Who? Who's playing next week?
Commander Washington and Chicago.
In Chicago, Okay, we're going to get so we can do a lot of.
Sam Howell A lot of Justin Fields we're hitting next week.
400 bucks. Easy, easy, easy.
We appreciate you guys. Also, if you missed it, make
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I've got. Fair amount to still narrate,
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Sean today. Drunk.
Also currently. Yeah.
I was. I thought you were gonna say you
recorded that show drunk with Shawn.
And I was like, I no, Really. No.
Yeah. Yeah.
No. You at this moment, be sober for
that. Appreciate you guys hanging out.
We'll be here. I can't follow what Shawn's
saying when I'm sober. Like, I could definitely not
follow it drunk. We'll see you guys next week.
We'll catch you at the Discord. Have a good one.