Guys, I'm back from vacation and I don't know if you heard but
Lavista Chenault, just got a lot cheaper.
Guys, we're back. Levesque is free and drafts.
The agency is flying. It's good to be a lot.
Pretty good to be alive. Yeah, welcome back buddy.
I'd also confuse everyone says with you guys gonna do a eulogy
of like our favorite player is now is cheap, their players.
I was mad last year when you guys Beaming of into the sixth
round that. All right, this is joyous I saw
your Tweet when you got back, those like you needed a tldr and
I'm just not realizing the right response would have been.
Just literally ten days of people, Victory lapping, the
visca peak dead. It like, people get such a kick
out of it. I was gonna say it like you.
I saw some like, residual tweets of it, which meant like it had
to have been insane. When that news was going down,
it was every, like I was like, it's not even about this.
It was very funny. I'm glad people could find some
solace in a dancing on. Viscous grave.
What, uh, how was the show last week?
I, I honestly haven't got a chance to catch up on it, but it
looked like it was a good time. It was a good time.
Yeah, there's some draft on time for talk some prospects.
I, yeah, I was, I was poking in there just today because I like
just put the show notes in there.
Belated because I saw Pat got really lazy.
This has shown out to, you know, you gotta go thanks.
And I know, it doesn't make sense.
The monkey all baby on the podcast on the YouTube.
It's all good. Oh, I probably screwed up on
YouTube, you know, but right, when I had just like tab to the
like, a real quick part and it was at the end and you guys, I
think we're talking about maybe making a switch where you didn't
take a quarterback early enough and you're like, yeah, grab
Lawrence here and so I hopped into one of the slow drafts the
other day when I got back and I had the save what had to have
been to save decision where Travis Kelsey was staring at me
of the third round. And I said to myself, I know, I
should take Trevor Lawrence here because I'm going to get,
squeezed if I don't, but I fucking took Travis Kelce.
So, I've gotten squeezed in, like, every one of these drafts
that I've done, I have one with, like, Matt, Ryan and Baker.
Mayfield, another both potentially out of a job is
like, which one of them is gonna get crushed by the Watson news?
Well, that's the funny thing from last week to this week that
some people might get a kick out of that.
I know, a couple people message me on was Tom, Brady coming back
because Like I might have said three or four times that we
should take Brady. Yes, I do.
Yeah, great. Like thank you sir.
Take pretty much directly. This is a bit, I think.
Are you serious? I'm like I'm kind of serious.
Yeah, he's begged us and we just wouldn't do it because that has
to abandon. We're going to look tonight at
some of kind of the ATP movement and I know Sam hoppin sent me
over kind of the 444 screener on, they have the superflex ATP
movement and Brady. Obviously, the biggest mover,
you know, went from Um, basically not having an ADP to
an ATP of 23. So what what round were you
pushing for him ingreso? Like the 12th or something?
Starting in like the probably like the hey, because we were so
boxed out. But yeah, it was, it would have
been amazing if we took them. He hung around till at least
like the 12th to 13th or something.
Yeah, yeah, I know. I thought I was buying for it,
was pushing it was you? It was me.
I kept. So what, when did you guys?
Take your. I know.
This is bad content. Me asking what you guys did on
the show last week. Where did you take your first
QB? Fields right fields in, like the
third toast fields and then we took, we took like Jimmy G or
something kind of gross like that.
Yeah, we did because we had taken Jonathan Taylor in the
first round. We were like if he lands with
the Colts which was sort of the idea, but now might be Baker
with the Colts. But yeah, we were thinking we
were going to get a call like, baked with the called sakhalin
awkward, but it was after taking both of those.
So, Jimmy G was our second maybe in like the eighth or something.
I don't know and then we ended up taking Matt Correll, right?
And then we are going to take Minshew but even he went we
ended up to our fourth QB is somebody Real gross.
Who was it was it was it zappy? I mean
I don't know. What is the deal with Baker?
I guess. I've missed that news item or he
just sent out an email post and was like, I've Loved all my time
in Cleveland. It's been a great place.
It's over everyone in. Everyone is like he's not going
to be quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, they talked to
Watson and that was like the last straw I think.
In. What's the, who was that?
I was listening to Silva. Say, who is he was saying,
Watson is connected with the Seahawks really strongly?
No, no, no. That there was that but that has
since evaporated pretty much completely, I can't imagine.
Now it's the same things. No, it's down to the Saints, the
Panthers, the Falcons, and the Browns, okay.
I'm surprised nothing's happened yet, but Yeah.
And the Niners were sort of a Dark Horse a little bit but
they're they've said no right. I don't think they're in the mix
now. Yeah, because it because there's
the Panthers in the Saints. Both have 3.
Plus first round picks on the table like they put out offers
that are at the asking price. So it comes down to the that
suggested, it was going to be the Saints today, our fourth key
because Ryan Fitzpatrick. That's right, because that yes,
we are Don't forget that Derek says, he got Watson to the
Saints at plus 900 on Sunday. That seems like a nice
risk-reward. I mean, that was my thought.
When you guys were talking about passing on Brady in that draft
and I definitely have a blind spot with those guys.
Whether it's the off, the field issue.
Guys, the retired, the Gronk guys where I just want to
automatically pass over them and yet not really thinking through
the risk-reward proposition and at those atp's, like the reward
is clearly outweighs the risk. It's not like you're using a
third one. I'm so mad at myself because
Aryans got me in Aryans is like the least trustworthy source of
news in the entire Leaf, but he was just like, so clearly like
he's not coming back. Like, basically he was, I think
he thought Brad was cooking up. Not gonna retire in the first
place and then got all like downtrodden about it.
He like threw me off the scent fucking Darian.
Yeah, if there's one thing we've learned we can't we can't trust
him the harmful for to go. Yes, I thought I was most
interested, obviously we have a shit ton of free agency news,
but I was kind of interested in how this is impacting, you know,
drafts. I know the, the superflex draft
on Underdog and then, Michael Dubner.
Also sent me over some of just kind of the fan ball ATP, which
probably not quite the volume as we'd have on other sites, but
has a bunch of the 12-team league.
So I'll toss out a few of the risers here and I can pull these
up on the Screen. But as I do this, are there any
guys? Who for?
You guys have jumped the most in value relative to where they
were going before? Hmm.
You know, I don't know them come to my garage.
I'm trying to think through the big moves.
I think it's a lot of small stuff.
I can't think of someone that I'm like, yeah.
I feel really different about that player because of Isaiah
MacKenzie's back with the bills, baby.
I mean, sucks. Nothing's probably the biggest
riser. Right?
Because we have different, we were to talk ourselves in a
Judy, again, no matter what to some extent, but Sutton now.
Connor, James. Connors the biggest Riser, James
Conner, is a huge Riser, he's got to be the biggest.
He should be like a fourth or fifth round pick which I don't
necessarily want to take him there, but he was going in like
the 12th. He's defensible there though.
If we didn't have a grudge against Graham against Connor
for getting hurt, he probably like a third round pick Yeah.
Yeah he's definitely defensible. Yeah I was thinking about Connor
today actually and it was breaking my heart because I'm
like he's going to land in a Zone where I'm just not going to
ever want to take him and I'm going to be loading up on.
Whoever the running back 2 & 3 is in Arizona, I might be under
selling how hi Connor would go. If we weren't like if you didn't
have the injury-prone tag because remember when Kenyan
Drake, After that run a very similar situation, right?
Kenyan Drake was there for a short period and then he signs
with Arizona for like one year in what 2020 and his ADP that
year was like mid s. Yeah.
Was it I don't remember that. Yeah, it was like mini second.
You just go, everybody, that mixing and stuff.
Yeah, we're taking Kenyan Drake that.
Well, the other thing I think you have to be careful about
what this stuff and this is actually illustrated by the
Dolphins. Just signing moster which I
believe that news just broke a few minutes before we got on.
But like even though it looks like a clear want runway for
James Conner and I know they don't have a lot of cavities but
like they could still bring in an impact rookie or what the
Dolphins if you Rafting, you know, Chase Edmunds because you
were super excited about that. Well then they bring in most
right now. It looks like some crazy
timeshare. They're potentially so, but I
don't know if I agree with that in.
I think in a lot of cases, it Connors is Connors is
interesting. In the regard that they had a
choice. They let Emmons walking kept
Connor, you have to imagine they did.
So in part because of last year, where Edmonds got hurt and
Connor stepped into a really big role when I men's got It hurt.
We were hoping we might see a little bit more, you know,
Benjamin we didn't like honor played a ton and then they just
signed him to like a pretty comfortable multi-year deal.
Last year they had a one-year to Miller, whatever.
They just gave him. What three years and quite a bit
guaranteed, I'm looking it up now. 13 and a half million
guaranteed. Looks like he's got dead money
into 2023. They like a lot more dead money.
So he's at least two years, the third year, they could get out
with only 22 mil of dead money, but they almost 10 mil of Money
into 2023. So like they just signed this
dude for two years to be their lead back.
I think based on what we saw last season.
I don't know if he holds up, that's sort of where my concern
is. Yeah, he's not one where I'm
particularly concerned about them, grabbing somebody or take
a spot. I do think they'll had somebody
like, in the draft like a day three guy, probably.
But there's not that many guys like, there's really not and to
the point that that's like a good outcome, right?
I'd much rather have like, one of These like jeans cook types
or something compared to like Rahim most right there.
Most your might be really good there.
If he's got any. Yeah, there's there's like, five
guys in the whole draft that would, I mean, there's the three
guys briefs all Kenneth Walker, Isaiah Spiller.
Richard white Chiron Williams. If it's not one of those five
guys, I don't care, right? I think I'm speaking even more
macro in that you. We know how these atp's work for
these, you know, Dead Zone running backs where you're
paying. A projected touch premium on
that and there's lots of different factors that could
take away from that or take the Shine off of it.
So I'm just like, I don't want to buy the top on James Conner.
I'd rather let them bring a guy in then slide.
Yeah. I see what you're saying.
Yes. Susan, scooped them but purely
just on like his usage and everything last year.
I mean I yeah I agree with Pat were like the injury-prone.
Stuff is maybe going to make him cheaper in the contract and
everything. I mean his specific situation
does look. And the way they like we look at
the TD's last year, we talked about him as potentially being
that role that Canyon Jake role last summer, right?
We are drafting a lot of him, he did that, he got that and then
he actually played like you guys are just talking about pass
catchers. I don't Nick just mentioned
Richard white in the chat but like They gave Connor the
routes. Like that's what happened last
year when Evans went down they have you know, Benjamin who's
got a great past catching track record in college that they gave
Connor the routes and he was good.
He's like I was wanting to catch him stuff.
Yeah, he was legitimately really good.
So he like just looking at like what he did last year and then
their decision to bring him back and let him and walk.
I mean I think you can make a case for him for sure.
Yeah, no and he's definitely more attractive than like you
said like a Josh Jacobs type where we kind of, we know what
he is. Where you could actually tell
yourself a story and we've already seen it of what a Bell.
Cow James Conner. Looks like, yeah, we saw it in
Pittsburgh and it looks awesome. There's an actual ceiling.
That's a great Point. Most of them was actually like
what's the ceiling? But with Connor, I get
completely the ceilings touchdowns the ceiling, its high
value touches, the ceilings, a bunch of high-value touches in
it and it offense, the generates them.
It's pretty good, pretty good. I also would like and maybe you
could say, depending on where his ATP Settles.
I'd almost want a little bit of an Arizona looked rough at the
end of the season discount because like I do want to be on
it in on Arizona right now. So I will be really curious to
see where his his 80 peace settled shark you pulled up
outside that. I just tapped over to the okay,
the 4441, but yeah, I can pull up the fan ball when I mean it
seems like whatever it is. It seems like he didn't go up as
high as I was expecting. Like where is he going this chat
now? Who's draft in the last couple
days. Yes, this was from like to 18.
Let me put in like what? I don't know when did that
happen. So yeah, he was going at like
pick 70 in these fan ball and jumped up about 20 pics.
Yeah, he's in the yeah, fourth round now.
And then it still feels about. I think he's fine.
They're in best ball. Like it's fine.
Yeah. But yeah, it's not it's not like
a clear value or anything. He's.
Yeah, probably fairly valued actually.
I kind of now, I see what you're saying in that like if the jump
was from him being valued like a, you know, where he was kind
of going last year and then jumped all the way up to like
the late, fourth, and early fifth.
But the difference here, I feel Like the the role change for him
should actually probably warrant a bigger jump.
Yeah. Then this even I think it will I
think because it's like one of those things was like Why, why
isn't James Conner after this news, a like the to 10?
Like, why isn't he? And mostly, it's because like
that makes all of us feel a little queasy.
But that's that's basically the only reason because when you do
the projections and stuff, it's going to be hard, I mean, unless
of course, the other is they could bring in someone but
that's completely changes the situation.
And he's got the the injury prompts us Fair, he's 26.
Like, I don't want to invest in 26, year-old backs, early,
that's sort of what I'm saying, why?
He's fairly prices and Pete. You just said it well with the
ceiling thing it's just like like he you can make the case
for second rounder, a lot of the fourth round backs, you can't.
But in right I mean that's why I like I feel like in some cases
you can tell yourself, you're getting a bit of a discount.
I'm not going to be jumping at the opportunity to take him but
I don't think he's off limits at the fourth.
Yeah, just feels more fair. It feels like he's only there
because people aren't treating running backs away.
They used to with like the advanced version of The Dead
Zone. All that kind of stuff.
Yeah. And I, oh, go ahead to be clear.
I don't think he should be a second round pick, but I think
we've seen guys like him go and this right before and actually
like three four years ago? No doubt.
Right. Yeah and I do think you're
getting a discount relative to where he could end up in the
future. So I kind of like that.
And then to Evans point he's saying we were not gonna be
touching the fourth round the main event.
I agree. Yeah also I think in the main
event good luck getting them in the fourth round.
That's not how that works. Oblivion that they're there.
But but anyway, I think it's more of a best ball thing where
it's like I can structure. My team, get my running back
such as move on right eye because I was thinking the same
thing where the opportunity cost in the main event.
I mean we know the fourth round just year after year is one of
the juiciest rounds for wide receiver values and also
represents where the wide receiver Cliff for a leaf Elite
Talent starts happening. Whereas like you're saying,
invest fall, I'm starting to get excited.
Okay. You start three wide receivers
if you go with the hyper fragile, James Conner acre.
Knowing he has that upside. I've been then you can I have a
little fun. But I guess what I'm wondering
is if we are headed towards broadly, a year and maybe a
future where the fourth round isn't what we have.
You have used to think is that, you know, amazing sweet spot for
wider. She was basically that that
becomes the third round and some of these backs that like we're
just about used to be late s, we're seeing going the fourth
net, like Erik Erik Jones is going in the fourth round and
Rogers. Like I know IG Dylan was good
and everything but like there's a couple backs like that to me a
couple of years ago would have been second rounders.
I think we are getting more receivers pushed up and so I
agree with that. Take it also feels like this
almost two year, correction on some of these specific running
backs who are going super high, where they're almost now at,
they're like, true efficient ATP.
Yeah, like I think Aaron Jones is, I guess you could say things
change for And Jones with with AJ Dylan without AJ, Dylan
around, he clearly had the upside to deliver their.
He's got the high-value touches, he's got the explosiveness, he's
got stuff that I want. If you give me a fourth-round
price, I mean, if there's a good comparable receiver but we've
been in drafts, we took him last week and it was in part because
there wasn't really a great receiver on the board at that
spot. I think we were debating him or
lucky another key be or something like that.
But what round did you get him in superflex?
Is that like a sixth event? Okay.
Yeah, yeah. Speaking of those guys, I mean
Nick, Nick asked ranking the all backs.
I assume kind of going in this, you know, third to fifth round
range. Connor Acres, Gibson Dobbins,
Aaron Jones, do you guys have takes on that?
I think you could make a case for Aaron Jones just because
like, it's kind of the bet on talent.
And, you know, we're not like I mean I guess Dylan could be
coming for him but the role is like pretty well-established
where's Connor? You're kind of doing the classic
DeadZone thing where you take like some really nice efficiency
from the year before and you extrapolate it out over the next
season. The guy who maybe doesn't
deserve that I would do. I think take Connor ahead of
Jones, I just I think he's the only guy that really has a case
not. And that's I mean that's an
interesting five names because you also have Acres Gibson,
Dobbins Air. I mean I think I think there's a
lot of reason to like diamonds. I think I might have hate kurz
lowest there, which I know he's gone.
He was like, going one to turn in January.
Like people were really, really excited about him but like the
bad playoff run. Not really looking that great
coming off the Achilles and the fact that they had other packs
that were actually somewhat productive last year.
Like if he's not able to get it done in the next year, I'm a
little bit more concerned about him.
Actually, like maintaining his, you know, his projected.
Which has over the course of a year just from a Izzy, explosive
enough standpoint based on the injury.
I'm I mean I don't I'm not saying gonna be completely out
on him I think this is five running backs that are all
pretty interesting. Yeah I mean looking at these I'm
kind of into the three cheapest ones they're like I'd pass your
gift in acres and you know Dobbins Jones and Connor start
to look in. Yeah in that vacuum I almost
have them. I think I would rank them in
reverse order of price. Which is pretty wild, right?
We started. We started this show saying,
James Carter was, you know, soaring Into the Dead Zone and
overpriced and now we're full bullying.
No, I'm not. Well, I mean yes, I'm not says
he's basically last year's Joe Mixon.
How is he wrong? Yes, I yeah.
If like it's my cycle, there's if things hold true and they
don't bring in any other impact stuff.
I think his value should probably be there.
I just think there's a lot of risk to get to that point in
mid-august and you guys, it sounds like think there might be
a little less risk. But last I think it'll bust
risk. Although there's a lot of
running backs that have yet to be signed.
There's literally no running backs.
Have been signed Kudos the NFL, by the way, I mean the
Jacksonville Jaguars are screwing everything up but
otherwise like they're holding off.
They're not making any dumb. Big deals with these running
backs for years ago, they would have been like, who cares of
Watson's available. We gotta sign this running back
to a four-year contract. What, what happened to our
Dolphins? You know, for two years I'm
sitting here saying, look at these guys, they don't spend
any, you know, significant capital and free agency or the
draft on running backs and now they signed Chase Edmunds and
moster I guess I haven't seen what the deal is for me.
Yeah, they're not bad. The most are one's got to be
small. I don't know if it's the details
have come out. The Ed Norton's.
I didn't see the most or one I was mentioned.
I was like, it's right before we went on.
Yeah. Okay I like that.
That's pretty great. Yeah, he said the agent tweeted
it out and said he one year 3.1 milk.
So yeah. That's a very affordable.
Yeah alterations. But wanted to stick with
McDaniel the Edmonds deal to me like right when it came off, I
was like okay well I mean this is fine but like I think people
get sicker shop shock a little. It's two years 12 point 1
million base 6.1 guaranteed. So basically six million a year
for a veteran running With the cap.
Having gone up, that's not like a massive deal or anything.
It's a comfortable deal, but it's not a crazy investment in
most circuits, three mil, they get two backs for, you know,
under 10 Milli year. There's, there's backside of
making 10 mil? Yeah, and like, the system does
rely on, you know, the kind of a specific style of running back
and like you want to if they are going to run a lot.
I mean, Mike McDaniel, has talked about that it's probably
going to be pretty annoying how much they run.
But Look at me, like I said, it's not a good draft class for
running backs. I think one of the things with
the Jacksonville Jaguars like why the free-agent moves are
like kind of mind-numbing Lee bad, is that they've made enough
of them now where it's hard to imagine that they take a wide
receiver, a pic 33 and so it's like they've actually box
themselves out of a super deep wide receiver class Miami's kind
of the opposite, where they've like box themselves out of a
very thin running back class. I think it's totally fine, like,
they're not going to And a second-round pick.
Now unlike res hall or Kenneth kind of Walker.
That's, that's fine. That's a lot to spend on a
running back. So if this means, they're going
to put a lot of emphasis, on wide, receivers, in a d-class
offensive, line help which they need, you need a ton of
offensive line. Help.
There were 30, s and pass, blocking rank 30th and run
blocking rank. I mean, they like get the cheap
running backs and improve the offensive line, the draft,
that'd be perfect. Kenyan Drake Still last year,
for the Raiders that we all kind of laughed at.
But because they had Josh Jacobs.
But like it was two years. 11 million is basically the same
deal that I managed to sign. It had more Gary, it was 11 and
a half mil lesson total value, but two million morning
guarantees that eight and a half million guarantees but like
Miami situation is different. They didn't have Josh Jacobs.
They needed actually probably bring someone into past Point
either. They're drafting freeze hall or
somebody or else they had to sign someone you know.
The mic asking a question that is kind of breaking my brain
here, but odds on most carries for Miami and I'm just trying to
think about how that backfield could play out, obviously their
stuff with health and hot hand, and rolls, and all of that
stuff. But where do you guys fall on
that? Probably admins asthma because
of most of its Health. But like I think Mozart's likely
to be the early down back when he's healthy and Evans is kind
of playing on third downs and mixing in unhurriedly Downs.
Yeah. I don't know.
I mean, you've got most, most certain old speed player, you
know, you probably want to save him as much as you possibly can
at like Edmonds is going to add less the offense than most dirt.
So in a sense given his age of probably like just feed Edmonds
as much kind of Touches as I could, and not give those to mr.
Yeah, I guess it also depends on.
Yeah. How much of kind of the 49ers
run philosophy carries over there?
Well, they just went and signed Alec ingold, the Raiders full
back to the second-biggest. Fullback contract, in the league
behind only cow juice. Jackie as I was been fucked
before that news check. So they so my quick data, what
God has full back to replace juice box?
Yeah, she's Fox. Ha ha ha.
You got three different. What's it?
Like one of the Little Giants their nickname juice box or
something? It feels like it was a nickname
for a kid and as a child yeah, it is tough because I do think
I'll be the thesis right with the 49ers backfield is that you
want to take shots on the cheapest of those guys knowing
that they'll Ride the hot hand and stuff like that.
So I'll still be interested in if Edmonds becomes like, do you
think the adp's could settle in a way that the Edmonds Connor
atps settled last year where it was like Edmonds, seventh eighth
round and then Connor was like, what was he going like 11th?
12th round guy most of the time. Yeah he was those about right?
Yeah. Seems right.
That seems about right. Yeah.
And so do you could you see that Happening.
You know, this time around again, or do you think the
public will be more on chasing away?
They'll feel comfortable with him at say like the 45 turn and
not your damn. Oh no.
I don't think I don't think that's going to be heavy buying
on either of us. Maybe most hurts a little bit
later but just because people don't trust the health and he's
older but I don't think it's going to be huge buying on
Edmonds. I thought that Edmonds was going
to be a dead zone guy, kind of like Gaskin was last year, but
after the most resigning, I think that has to change.
I mean, he's probably like a seventh round or I think.
Yeah. As as someone who is loading up,
most dirt was my most drafted player.
In the first Underdog Big Board draft, I even had a bet with our
guy, Chris G, where I was willing to take him head to head
against any any running backs after his ATP.
I feel like this is Stu the nut. Landing spot for most ER yeah.
It's I think it is the not landing spot.
Yeah coach that is familiar with him a lot of vacated touches
shifting to perhaps a run Focus scheme, it seems well for him.
It Elena Atlanta might have been better.
Yeah, a lot more touches, their more touches similar.
I mean, it's Arthur Smith, it's the same scheme.
But how many touches can you take?
I mean, I kind of liked it. Yeah.
Is it a similar scheme? That's what's gonna say.
Yeah, kind of Like that. It's the same scheme.
But yeah, but he's from the Shanahan tree.
Okay, I didn't realize that. Hmm, yeah, I think we I don't
know, maybe he's not truly from the shin injury but he has
crossover. So got it.
Did the mckissack stuff broke since the show last week.
Right. You guys didn't hit this one
last week. You guys hit mckissack to
Buffalo. Well I mean my kids that was
basically today because he yesterday right back of my mind
I'm still jet-lagged. He went to work and came back.
He was writing the bills, he went to the Beast, he was
reported, he was going to the bills.
I wrote up that he's going to the bills and now he's back in
Washington. Wait what?
He's done with Washington. What is with washing?
No treaty. Mckissack went back on the
contract with the bills and is now with the Washington
commanders again what? Yeah wow I missed that today.
Davis fellas here. Oh yeah that was today.
Yeah, my brains broken. I can't keep track.
Wow, this hot ionized miss this. That's why I was talking about
Gibson and stuff with you know, The lowest, hey Pete still on
vacation Gretchen still on vacation to what he was with me
on this one. It is crazy because I was
looking at this one think about all the poor souls who are you
know chasing mckissick steam here forever a day.
No he's Carson Wentz. Check down option.
Wow, yeah. Wow, unbelief.
Yeah, how much, how many millions of dollars difference
was there? Because you'd have to pay me
about like four million dollars, more year to go back to the
committee? He was out, he was with Joe,
Josh Allen in the bills. Goodness.
Yeah, I guess I would I was I was excited to have the
conversation about that relative to Singletary.
I mean, what does that say to you though about the bills
intentions perhaps resta free agency or in the draft?
That's a good question and there's a guy.
The mckissack is Rashad white. He's, he's like a big mckissick
and then there's also Chiron Williams who's like really big
red flags in terms of the athleticism, kind of bomb the
combine but a receiving back. He's I think he would be
available potentially like the fourth round.
So if they had either one of those guys that would make a ton
of sense, and I think probably Be worse news for Singletary if
they added white and probably be the slight, probably slightly
less impactful if they added Williams than if they had
mckissick. Yeah, because that was always
the Allure for Singletary. Has, okay, he's going to be the
back on the field in third-down situations, hurry up, you know,
two-minute offense stuff with one of the best offenses in the
league. You throw a mckissick, a cask
wrench in that. Then you really start to worry
about singletary's role because now he might not have the goal
line roll. And now You know where?
What is he doing on this team? Yeah.
That is. What kratsov isn't that?
Your ex is still processing. And it's such a weird situation.
Like he announced he was leaving he got a good deal from like
potentially the biggest Super Bowl contender in the league.
Like their odds are right there with the Chiefs and then he
decided to go back to Washington for the same price.
I mean, I get it, like, already living there.
Probably has a family, but like why are you choosing Washington
for the same price? I was just reading that.
Apparently they didn't offer him Washington, offer him until they
heard that he was going to go elsewhere.
Yeah. Like, oh, yeah, we'll give you
that contract. Like, what?
Why do you go back to that? Was it, that was it, it Antonio
Brown that was signed with the bills for like, two hours or
something treasure, that's ready to retire.
And then it makes the drain. It was reported to be agreed on.
He said he'd retired And an exit.
Oh man. Poor, I want to hear some
stories. Like, do you think there was any
bills Mafia sickos? Who ordered like a custom-made
JD mckissick bills ba Jersey? Like, during that period?
I want to hear these stories Buffalo Bills, Legend, JD
mckissick. I was just scrolling through the
Twitter. What Twitter comments on this.
This one was, meanwhile, I was Otto blocked by Adam schefter
for calling JD mckissick, a moron.
Okay. I don't know what happened
there, but not a lot of good info here also Gretsch.
Now, I got really confused, you know, that there's a Twitter
account called yards per pass. Hmm.
No, and I was scrolling through it.
I thought was Gretsch actually in this conversation here but
yards per pass, 20,000 followers.
And the owner of the first-ever bills in Ft, this is the guy who
bought the JD mckissick bills Jersey.
There you go, grach. You have competition in the
yards per Twitter handle sphere. Look, man, it's it's rough in
the streets. Oh, he already probably out of a
kissick tattoo hurts, but it's worth it.
There's a whole like yards per fantasy site.
Now that I've seen pop up, which is cool for them, three?
Huh? I gotta do a joke, I had
bookmark this when I was catching up on Twitter the other
day and now I finally have my meme for you.
So here he goes. When you find out that the Bill
signed JD mckissick, you find out that he signed with watch
kids. Yeah.
And then you find out, you gotta get a tattoo.
Removed. Would you just crashed through a
folding table for nothing? Well, I didn't even know what
we're all those guys doing down in Nashville.
I thought it was there. I mess up.
I don't know. I so kitchen was taking around
Leona, was there some I think there was a basketball live
final or something, mmm-hmm. Okay, we didn't get shit done.
We are invites. Got lost in the mail.
Yeah, somehow that didn't he? Let's hear some of these other
ones. I mean, I think you guys
probably already talked about true Biscay last week, right?
No, that hasn't happened. Pete, when do you think free
agency started? Men did it start like today?
No, one day. I don't know if you guys
actually heard but true Biscay actually went back on.
It is now what so why didn't your Biscay is ATP is one of the
top risers are people excited about him as a backup stabbed.
Like, well, there's things like To be the starter unless they
draft a rookie. Yeah, probably will.
Do you? I mean they have to draft a
quarterback, right? Have to you have to And then it
just is what kind of how many games did they capture, mr.
Former second overall pick, I've been working on some quarterback
stuff and sure Biscay. Just like, no matter what, you
look at Stats, wise is just just a dog shit pick.
This is like nothing about him profiles.
Well, no matter. I mean I was told that you can
slice data in any way possible to make a favorable case
Venture. Yes, terrific, Let's see if any
of these other Riser. I mean, what are we doing with
Isaiah? Mackenzie, is he going to get to
frothy? Is he getting frothy?
Where is he? By the way grunts?
You got us on member, you got us on Mackenzie one of our early
drafts. Yeah, pretty nice.
It's gonna that's going to age well.
Hey I mean, we have no idea what this means.
You could just be back for special teams in the same role.
But if they do cut Beasley who they haven't cut yet that I've
seen have they he has a cuttable contract.
Then Mackenzie could be pretty nice in the slot.
He's up almost 50 pics here on think they've given him
permission to seek a trade. Oh, that's right.
Yeah, I don't think he'll be back.
Yeah, I think Mackenzie is going to become an incredibly Trend,
but they were talking to Christian Kirk Because we saw
Josh Allen had dinner with him and they were rumored for some
other receivers, right? Like I they could they could
still draft a receiver. I mean, I just don't want
Mackenzie to get too expensive because I want to take some of
them. I'm not going to chase him up to
like the 12th or anything, right?
I mean Gabriel Davis still seems pretty nicely priced.
Yeah he's well priced because people are kind of waiting for
the other shoe to drop on Gabriel Davis and it's like it's
not dropping because even if they draft like Trail on Burks
or something. Awesome.
I mean, it's a rookie and Gabriel Davis is going to be on
the field, right? Like I don't know they're
probably playing Burke's over Mackenzie.
Wouldn't you think well what do you what do you think of this?
I miss this rumor. Landry would put landrieu's
rumored for the Falcons. I was the last I heard you're
the one. That works for big peacock, man.
I don't know. I think free agency just
happened yesterday. Two weeks ago, I can't keep you
think it happened two weeks Galen.
Well then you talk about the job.
They're going to add someone and Landers been rumored air to
right. Landry's been rumored to the
Chiefs. Yeah, I think it'd be fun with
cheese. It'd be very fun.
Yeah, Landry can still play. I think later would become a
perfect for the Chiefs. They need like a capable guy.
So I assume some of these guys. They're atp's are just kind of
staying flat, I guess I'm Mari here.
Maybe you should be on the rise. Yeah.
Shan ji mentions Cedric Wilson. Now in Dallas, I was so I
thought that was. I mean, I don't know what the
Financial stuff was but it just seemed weird to me losing Amari
that they'd also let Cedric Wilson walked.
Do you think they they draft someone.
Yeah I do. Yeah I think they do and I mean
there's lots of guys to choose from as well.
I mean the really is like this this wide receiver class doesn't
really have a ton of guys like a man could canaries.
Tony looks pretty good but still is like a prospect profile.
He was he was a land mine or he profiled as a strong bed of
being a land mine. I should say there.
Aren't really guys like that. Olave is an upperclassman.
It wasn't all that productive, but he's playing with super,
super good, tart competition. The Scouting stuff on him is
really good and then there's a lot of underclassmen who were
productive. So I don't love Jahan Dotson if
he ends up being a first round pick.
But outside of that I feel like, you know, they're kind of good
with whoever they go. Yeah, Gretch.
Where you at on Cowboys wide receivers You know, honestly, I
haven't given it a much. Much thought was bummed that
Cedric Wilson left. I don't think like, I'm going to
be super stoked on him in Miami. And it's, I mean, it obviously
leaves a lot there for the guys that are left.
But I mean, Islam going to get too pricey sort of my concern.
I think Schulz is going to be an ice pick this year did.
Yeah I feel like it's almost hard for lamb to get Even any
more pricey. I mean he was even before this
was still going at the two three turn.
And sometimes, you know, mid-to-late second round, like I
don't know how much higher he can get.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's good point.
So maybe maybe a Slappy's who are still taking him there,
early got bailed out a little bit.
I mean, what are they gonna have early in the year?
These three. Yeah, but for zcl late last year
like he's not going to be there early in the year.
So it's really those two lamb and Schultz and like they used
to have a lot of guys and they're going to be like thin
early next year. I mean right?
Noah Brown out on a bunch of routes.
Yeah. The chat wants calling Burke's
to Arkansas a little Jerry love for his Arkansas players there.
That makes a lot of sense at all so he should be available to
them. It sounds like, you know,
probably like Wilson olave and Drake London could all go ahead
of Burke's in the draft. So wow, a latte over Burke's
now. Just that's how bad his it's
possible. It's possible.
I don't know. I mean, hola be scouting stuff
is like you know terms of like High character NFL teams just
like being like this is a guy we want.
It's like I've heard nothing but awesome things about Allah by.
So you know that that usually goes a long way and then Burke's
was, like, people thought he'd be really explosive athlete.
I think, the combine and probably people are making too
much of it, but like, the reason we care about the combine is for
draft position. So if it does end up hurting his
draft position, we need to factor.
But how much would it hurt? I mean, he's not gonna be a sec,
probably not that much. No, he'll be first pixel.
Yeah. What a, how are we feeling about
the other? Big risers were obviously the
Broncos. We mentioned Sutton quickly at
the top but I assumed I was going to come back to just tons
of Albert. Oh love.
Is that been happening? I've missed that on.
He was immediately going ahead of your Fayette right after the
tree. So yeah, yeah.
And I jumped on a pot with Davis and we called him a top.
I think we agreed was the dynasty tied in.
Six of those bags. Davis has been every League.
I'm in with Dave's, like, I'm, yeah, it was literally just
pumping Davis's bags for the people, I mean out.
Where do you think Alber, 0f F, PC Main Event time.
What round? You think he settles in?
A fifth or sixth 100 ffp, see ya?
Yeah, that's fair Titan premium. Yeah, yeah.
I mean I get it it definitely is steep there.
I mean because that was like it wasn't Dallas got hurt was going
after that this year, right? When did you get Thomas and your
Pros vs. Joseon?
You get him in like the 612 and we were like, oh this is nice.
Is this is this your way of bringing up our Logan?
Thomas first know if Aunt bet that I lost.
No, that's not so. So then I think he'd probably,
maybe, maybe you'll be more like this 6 7 turn, because I
remember us being like, loving Thomas isn't really a Target,
but here he is or whatever. I feel like that's too.
Ugh. I still like isn't that where
Fant when I got Phantom like the seventh last year and one main
event? He wasn't usually going that
late. But yeah.
But I mean honestly if you go higher than last year, yes I
think he should okay unless something changes unless they
bring in another guy or whatever.
But I would rather have Alberta mean Alberto has been more
efficient than fan yards per outrun since a very small
sample, very small sample, but not even if we would expect
Right? We would expect that he runs all
the routes though and he's got Russell Wilson his quarterback
now. So yeah, what does he have like
to? I think it's like 225 routes or
some like that over the two years, which is, I mean first
nothing though, it's not nothing, it's like half a year.
Like you'd want at least like 500 routes if you're picking him
there for this next year, but He's been very good.
We've made. We've made stronger predictions
on less. Yes.
Yeah and it was no, I mean he's a good athlete.
It was a good Prospect. So I'm not like, I'm not
knocking that. I don't think ya know.
Take, do you guys have? I like, honey, I was just going
to say I'm interested in all these guys and so I was trying
to say like is there a guy? I'm going to be going out of my
way with or is this just going to be a team?
I'm just always trying to grab one or two and then you end up
with so much Handler because he's the cheapest.
Yeah. Well, and Tim Patrick's going to
be really cheap too and I've never Benefiting Patric fan, but
he's exactly the kind of guy that I think, like, I think he
might be one of the, like, low-key best fit for Russell
Wilson. Like, he's freaking David Moore.
Yeah. Or like, he's all those dudes,
like he's gonna get a few more tedious because of it.
He's like he struggles. Maybe he's the Tyler Lockett,
you know, struggles to earn targets at a high rate but he's
actually pretty decent as a receiver but Russ extends plays
which helps those types of guys. Then Target's like, get open,
basically. Like this is the guy that could
randomly have a decent year, I feel like, but I like Handler a
lot to. I mean, I honestly like Judy's
the one I don't love for us is not a guy who steps you know
hits the back of his dropping throws timing routes and Judy
was like you know route running timing over the middle of the
field type stuff for me it was like it was Sutton Himmler and
Patrick that I was immediately like oh this is really
interesting not even necessarily Alberto because I mean I think I
wonder if it's a good fit for him but I don't know that
Russell's like ever been like a big tight end guy, you know.
But remember Judy was operating, he had an eight out of 14.5 is a
rookie is after something went down and he was operating deep
downfield. Like, I don't think he has to be
kind of a shorter underneath guy.
He had 67 percent of his snaps out wide as a rookie wasn't all
that efficient but he wasn't bad.
I think soft top of his believe is one point six, six yards per
outrun, solid not great. So I don't know.
I think Judy could be that guy, but ilike, I like getting Tim
Patrick to. I'm actually happy to hear you
say that because I was on with with Josh and Hayden the other
night and I had trailing Burke's lined up to take in our draft
and I we had Russell Wilson and the superplex draft forgot.
That I put Tim Patrick in the queue and I'll let the clock
tick down and took Tim Patrick by accident.
When I met to take trailing Burke's 30, spots ahead of
atp's. So I need that Patrick to pay
off. I do like your colon Judy and
just to be clear, like I'm definitely taking to Pete.
I think you put a perfectly. I want exposure to all five of
those chasms. Yeah, well that's what I was
just thinking through ART the Broncos, going to be the most
fun team to backdoor, stack invest ball, you get Ross.
And then you know you have Alberto hamler-fugitt, Rick lay
in like you think about how those best ball.
Playoff shake out where We can get the Handler bomb next week.
You get the Patrick bomb. Like that seems like a very fun
cheap back. Yes, we had a team.
This fun to backdoor stack. I don't think I'll its ills were
kind of fun last year. Yeah, their digs all those guys
were cheap. Even the running backs.
Yeah, good calls true. You could do it Sanders Beasley
Davis, but they got a little bit more expensive.
I wanted that happen. So wonderful, even Hamlin's up
in like a 13th Ron Gambler. I mean, I know in our corner of
the internet, we all liked him but he never Even when he became
a trendy late round, pick, he never got too high up there,
like he never got steamed a couple rounds and it's going to
be hard when he is the fourth receiver, too many people think
he won't get on the field enough and that could be true.
Patrick signed a pretty good deal in season last year, which
kind of boxes Himmler out in some, in some regards.
I just like, I think the optimism is that they rotate
enough. And he's this vertical threat.
That provides something that keeps I'm on the field, a decent
amount. And obviously if there's any
type of injury or anything, it can create opportunity.
What about like, where are we at now on Metcalf and lock it, I
mean, just totaled us like what are we doing with these, guys?
My cows can be fun to take. I think I was trying to take him
last week, but we didn't really talk about him.
I mean, he had a really interesting year where it was
his third year, right? Yeah.
His first two seasons. He didn't actually earn targets
at a really high High rate. Like I'm always breaking yard
Sprout, run up into Target Spot, Run yards per Target.
He had great yards per Target, both of those years, not
particularly Elite targets per outrun, last year and Russ Smith
sometime, right? So it's different quarterbacks
yards per Target kind of cratered for his profile.
Downfield guy, big body. Obviously can do stuff after the
catch, it was like very average yards per Target but his Target
Sprout. One took like a pretty
substantial jump. You actually showed like a alpha
type Target learning. Profile, as a downfield guy,
obviously the quarterback changes terrible, but he could
be good enough. If you can earn enough targets
to also still be efficient. I mean, I'm not like completely
out on any silly young receiver that we like for, you know,
valid reasons how he also might not be in Seattle.
There's a chance he goes and if they bring in a quarterback
maybe you know and now there's another quarterback potentially
in Baker Mayfield. Yeah be on the Move.
We don't know his quarterback plays going to be bad.
Like right now looks like it's Drew lock.
They could draft somebody as well at night and I mean that
was the first thing right after the trade was they're going to
take some 19 with us, Malik Willis or can we talk about how
Twitter is going to have to like literally it's going to be like
two shifts of like workers like passing each other.
At a factory of like switching camps on Pete, Carroll.
If they sign Colin Kaepernick, everyone's going to switch
teams, we're going to be like oh I guess pretty girls pretty
good. So you're saying he Carol Pete
Pete Carroll's, a PR agent, should be telling him to side.
Colin Kaepernick everyone who doesn't like be careful now will
I When everyone who likes them. Now won't like wow, it'll be
incredible, please do it. I think I've said today that he
doesn't think he said something like, Kaepernick deserves a
second chance, but he doesn't think that's what, Seattle,
which I was like, why the fuck not?
Why not excited. Because, because he's lying
about the first part. Yeah.
Yeah, I am looking at that. I was just looking real quick at
the underdog and the fan ball and it looks like Metcalf is
only dropped a handful of spots. But Lock, it is dropped about
around and a half on both Underdog and fam.
Also people reacting a little bit more to lock it than
Metcalf, which I don't know. Makes sense to me.
That seems pretty efficient does to me too.
Yeah yeah. And lock it stuck there.
They can't. They can't deal him.
Yeah. Contract doesn't make it.
I don't really want anything to do with lock it.
I mean, the Metcalf thing is like, maybe he's just really
good. I'll I mean, I love Tyler
Lockett, but like he's always just thrived on efficiency that
him and Russ have been so good together for a long time.
And you talked about, like the extra time and the guy getting
open like that's that's what is walking a lot.
Yeah. What do I mean, is this just
they're probably going to be one of the worst offenses in the
league, depending on the quarterback situation.
What do we do with Richard penny in this context?
Knowing I mean, he's a free agent.
Oh yeah. Yeah, I did the same thing the
other day. I forgot it's free agents.
I mean I think I don't know I've been like, struggling with what
to do with Penny because I don't know where he's going to land
but like he looked really good. Like yeah, man, it could you
imagine if he had gone to Miami, that would been fun Richie's.
I mean, you know, I mean Pete Carroll is he just, you know,
foaming at the mouth to draft a couple of running backs, if they
let Penny Go, I mean there's no way he's going into this, it'll
get Gretsch, so dejected because your rice all.
Yeah. Well, the joke was Was a that,
you know, he would just take. I think it was me and Davis.
Yeah, yeah. We were joking.
That he would then turn around and draft briefs Hall at night.
We could just be the most Pete Carroll thing ever got.
Yeah, I just I if I was Pete, Carroll, I'd be I'd be looking
to retire about now. I mean, I would not want to deal
with this roster heading into this, you know?
Yeah. And then they said, well this
lie to a three-year extension seven, fucking million a year.
What like what was that? About.
I mean the block or use a good blocker that's that's the
correct. That's true.
That's the that's why he's a good walker.
Yeah, I asked for my tldr on Twitter and this is how I found
out about the distally signing, was a Levitan sending me his
tweet that says the fuck is going on here, right?
And we'll just lie is resetti with Seahawks three-year 24
billion. We got Silva here.
They also gave a 30 35 year-old to down situational, run,
stuffy, nose, tackle out, Woods, a two-year, nine million deal,
perfect guy to spearhead to rebuild.
I wish I got that joke. It seems like it's a funny joke
for guys who know trench players but I do not.
Yeah, I don't know. Yes, this is, you know, in the
same way Rohan has said, Top Shot is a 100 year project.
Pete Carroll is dead, the Seattle.
Yeah so no. All right,
Let's see any of these other interesting risers and fallers
that we have not talked about. We haven't talked much about the
Box. What you guys think of the
Russell. Gage signing I get the smart
real life son. Yeah, that's a good call.
He had a surprisingly good bounce-back year.
I gave him a lot of shit last year and said he was just a guy.
And it was interesting earlier, this offseason, I noted this in
the Target Spot Run. Right up I did and on on the
newsletter that he started out this offseason going later than
last year, just I guess because he got hurt but like when he
played he was actually showed something more.
He had taken a step forward. Now, one of of the huge parts of
that, is he had no target competition.
He had a young Kyle pits and no one else and that's going to
help Target Sprout, run for sure.
Now, he goes to one of the most crowded situations.
He could be in where he's going to be running routes alongside
Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. And those guys II mean he prior
to last year, had not shown a lot of Target earning potential.
He's certainly not Antonio Brown in that regard.
Antonio Brown starts per hour on were massive last year and so
the way I looked at that was like, This is good for Evans and
gotta like, especially one God, one gets back healthy.
This is going to be good for those guys to potentially
consolidate a lot of volume but I mean it won't be too
surprising after. He had a decent year last year
of gauge. Got some volume there to I mean
he's he be interesting Lee good. Yeah I think he's interesting
lie for sure. I mean he he was pretty capable
last year and like A lot of situations there's a lot of
situations where they're like, isn't anybody there?
You know what I mean but like member every agent Brown gets
hurt Julio Jones is hurt. It's like Nick Westbrook
Joaquin. He's going to get a lot of
targets like nope he doesn't, you know like Khalif Raymond was
projected for a bunch of targets because there weren't any liens
ride wide receivers. They went to someone else like
there is still even when there's no one around some skill in
getting those targets and at least being better than bad
competition which he was. The other thing is that he
played about half of his routes in the slot last year.
He's been like typically kind of a 2/3 and in the two-third snaps
in the slot guy down about half last year and that's a good sign
because he can play in the slot. They might actually roll out
perriman on the outside and then gauge in the slot when Godwin
isn't healthy and then when God won't gets back you can put
gauge on the outside. Maybe he only runs like 50% of
Route 55 and then they rotate impairment for some deep threat.
Stuff. But you know, I think it's
versatility is going to help the offense just kind of chug along.
They also just signed God went to a bunch of bunch of money,
they did? Yeah.
Nice like while we're on the show, Yeah, I feel like Gage is
going to be a tough one to Think Through, you know, for Fantasy,
where he could be a total smash when Godwin is out.
And then really not add a ton fantasy wise when God when is
healthy. But yeah, I guess you could, you
could make a case that Brady can can definitely support.
You know, three pass catchers. I guess what happens with the
tight end situation will be interesting to our we just all
working under the assumption Gronk is coming back.
Yeah and apparently he said it a barber shop or something.
Like that came out today because they, because Howard is gone,
right? And so, otherwise is breit is
bright. Still under contract.
I think great is under contract. I think so too.
This is my kind of. Yeah, gross deal.
A couple of years ago, where he's actually making a decent
amount of money. I'm not mistaken.
Tommy, you're in the right place.
Tommy has been hammering, Russell.
Gauged thinking it was in Atlanta and no idea is a free
agent. We're all Anything son tonight.
Show topic, Sean says, how many targets for Kyle pits this year.
200, I mean talk about going to get a vacated Target Premium
jump in his ATP. I mean Kyle pits.
It's hard to make a case against his Target.
What are we gonna do? You know any competition last
year if you couldn't beat out Russell gauge?
Just kidding. Obviously, I like pets but I
mean I don't think Russell Gates leaving suddenly makes his
competition. They're going to add someone
either in the drafter. The end of free agency here.
It actually like his atp's gone down a little bit and I know
that Matt Ryan was another one of the big risers and fallers
here, 32 pick fallen in Daily ATP.
So people are definitely worried and probably rightfully so about
the Falcons offense in general. Yeah, but I think like you know,
they've been talking about Jarvis Landry there and maybe
they maybe they get like a JuJu or something instead, I don't
know they need someone, of course, they might end up with
Watson so there's a ton of stuff still up in the air, Rob, I've
heard a Rob. Hey Rob, yeah, I should like
connecting the dots there too. That'd be fun.
I guess Fuller would be people talk about Fuller if they get
Watson but either way I think pits is like no one's The kind
of usurp him, he's going to be basically the number one wide
receiver. So I don't I hope they signed
somewhat like writing is worst-case scenario is they
don't sign anybody and it's like pits as a tight.
End pits basically operating as a number one wide receiver.
But a disadvantage because he's a tight end and he's second year
player and he's surrounded by absolute scrubs in the defense.
Just like you're not going to beat us with how pits.
What's your what's your counter punch?
You know what's your second reaction?
I want a guy like a Rob, that at least has some potential to earn
earn some attention across from ya.
Something it also, I'm sure people know the stats and maybe
even you guys, but just anecdotally watching Kyle pits,
it seems like they were using him a ton on the outside and
just having him try to beat, you know, one-on-one coverage, which
he's capable of doing, but it didn't seem like they were
scheming him. A ton of looks like over the
middle like getting him in motion those little tight end
rub routes, like that is what? Concerns me like if you start to
get the Dez Bryant treatment where it's like you're a freak
but we don't ever actually do anything to get you the ball and
creative ways, right? Yeah, I guess that is kind of a
concern. It's just I think the bar has
been set really, really high for pits and that made me a little
overly cautious last year, but I feel like now the markets a
little over look overly cautious.
Like what he did last year was like stunningly.
Good for a rookie tight end and combine that with the prospect
profile, we should be like super psyched about him.
So I don't know maybe won't be perfect but there's just a lot
of upside with a player profile like pits doing.
What he did as a rookie. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm still excited about him and at least on Underdog.
His ATP never got too out of control there.
So I still I still like taking him in that you know, mid to
late, 3rd Ranger wherever you kids are getting him these days.
I'm so out of the drafting streets I feel like I'm Flying
Blind on post free agency. Adp's here any other chat let me
know if there's any other players.
I saw someone mentioned, where do we thought Julio Jones?
Jones was going to go. He got released by the Titans.
Was that a surprise or was that expected else?
Present, there's a little bit of surprise you I mean, is he, I
mean, is there any juice in the gas left in the tank there for
him? Are there any spots?
We'd get excited about him? I was making the case for.
I think there's juice left in the tank by the way.
Shout out to Josh Norris who I believe is like yeah, those last
night I honestly like every day feels like a thousand years ago.
I think it was literally last night.
I was on the spot and he said he was like I think that Titans are
less likely to sign Deonte Foreman.
Then dr. Hilyard then deontic Foreman was
signed by By Carolina today. And he was like many also
mentioned how much they just don't like Julio and Tennessee
and then they cut up Josh. Just crushed it.
But I've been drafting Julio and I'm gonna keep dropping her
late. Like I said this on the good
football shows a couple hours ago but it's like imagine if
Julio had been a free agent and then signed with the Titans
would be like, I don't know about that.
There's not a ton of passing boy.
So now that he's a Titan and moves to being a free agent like
Happy good. Like I feel like that improves
his Outlook is me. Most places will be a little bit
better than the Titans were. We definitely got to take into
consideration. This atom to a two-year deal
last year and intended. I think to have them for two
years and he was gonna try to picks for him.
Are they? They traded for him last week?
Yeah, two years left. Alright, and it was like, okay,
he's two years. Yeah, yeah.
And he gets hurt and he doesn't doesn't really perform well, one
healthy and they decide that you're going to Give up on that
after one year. So that's kind of It's not a
great sign but like this guy's been in the league since 2011.
He's been a star, he washes out with, you know, this one
coaching staff he was good when he was on the field but he was
hurt a lot but he was good. When he's on the field one point
eight four yards per hour run which is actually pretty good.
He was awesome the year before that with 2.6 and he was Elite
in 2020. He kind of watched out with with
that Administration but it was a new coaching staff.
So I don't know. Maybe he's like become a
malcontent in his 30s that seems less likely to me though, than
like he was hurt. They didn't like what they got
out of them, they felt like it was time to move on and that
stuff. I feel like those situations
with the kind of wide receivers who lean toward Diva.
They can get exasperated quickly.
Like if you don't have the super Elite quarterback, you go a few
drives without getting a touch. All of a sudden you start
getting angry and that stuff just snowballs not making
excuses for him but I can't see how things could have soured for
him. Quickly in Tennessee plus,
apparently, I don't know, this might just be a total rumor, but
someone was saying that as a Mackenzie was, was trying to
recruit Julio to the bills. Like that's one reason, you
know, Pete talks about the blind spot that I have to of like you
know, being like out Tom Brady's not coming back while we drive
to him but like at least with Julio.
Now you do have the outs to the juicy stuff like he could he
could win with the bills. Like that's plausible.
Yeah. Um, we had a couple people
talking about out the Michio Kaku with Austin, Hooper gone.
It seems like he has a clear Runway there.
Now, although, we don't just going to quarter back then
though, right. Do you guys have any feeling on
that? I don't know man.
You just check the PSM model. You don't really worry about the
quarterback. Alberto some modeling and Joko
is not, he's a grown-ass man. Dude, we might need some, some
measurables on that. Why?
I'm just saying he's athletic. But the the efficiency hasn't
really been there. Okay.
I thought you were like making a reference to like, there's a
dong shot of his that was leaked or something.
What are you talking about? I don't think the psf model
gives one shit about efficiency. Well, this thing, the PSM model,
you know that there are so I don't know what the inputs are,
what left hands got as far as the input.
I'm just saying the inputs might not be correct.
I think Adam would admit that the inputs are correct on that
one. I would, I would argue that.
None of the models that levitate floats have correct.
Yes. I've is quite a time is the hell
of a week but the chat also bringing into mine Harrison
Bryant who has been solid at times.
I could see that being a thing Nick circling back on the Devin
Singletary stuff. Yeah Nick we touched on that a
bit at the top. I was mostly concerned about
what it means about their intentions for bringing someone
in and if it is a past catching back at curbing Singletary, but
you guys have any other take on that.
I mean, singletary's whole thing is snaps like yeah, he's just
snaps, but yeah, 100% is snaps against the Chiefs in the
playoff loss. Like that's, that's why he ended
up being value, but the end of year.
So I think it's just an incredibly fragile situation
where basically, anything screws that up kind of a perfect storm
last year for him to get 100% of snaps in a playoff game?
I mean, that's pretty well. Yeah.
Yeah and I mean I will it's another one of those things
where Singletary not a guy you want to be drafting you know
Prix news like this where you're paying as if he's a Bell cow
back with you know no competition.
I'd rather wait for them to bring in somebody then get his
ATP back. I mean he was one of the best
ADP values last year and droughts he was going 13, 14, 15
round. No one wanted to draft him, I'll
be really curious to see where sentiment settles on them when
they inevitably We be bringing inevitably bring in another
back. I can't imagine they go into the
season again. Would just Mawson Singletary.
Yeah, probably not. I mean, to the comments point
there, I mean, they've indicated several times.
Now, that's not what they want to do.
Yeah. I mean it could you see the
bills? I mean where did the Bills pick?
Like could they do the Chiefs thing?
And they're like, we're just one, incredible running back
away from From taking this all down and you know taking a
running back in the first or second round.
Yeah I could see that. I mean that it's a new GM right
there, not any gym. What did I don't know if it'd be
the first round but I mean would it be crazy if they took if like
Kenneth Walker fell and they got them in the late s?
Do they have a second? I assume they do.
You could get a really good running back in the third, like
if whites available in the third.
I mean, I think he probably worth drafting He has like his,
some legit up. So he's basically everything we
liked about Kenny gain, well, but he's like, 20 pounds heavier
and he didn't just bomb his rookie season.
So simple, there is going to be the exact same pic as last year,
but just like eight rounds higher.
Instead of Zak Moss, it's going to be someone else but it's
gonna be the exact same situation.
Yeah, graduate. You sold have you been drafting
or not drafting on fan. But we have van Jefferson here.
He's a he's a huge fall or 23. Why?
I don't know, that was surprised me would would dump him.
Now, you guys listen to me. You finally, he finally got the
people fading bad Jefferson here.
I try to get to to out well from Davis and Dynasty and he
wouldn't he wouldn't trade him. So I don't know maybe it's to to
steam. What about what about?
Cristian Kirk. How are you guys feeling about
him? Denny had a good point onwards,
like it's some point. The projections are going to
come in and we're going to realize is atp's like, you know,
15 spots behind his Target projection.
We're gonna have to be like, all right, we got to take Cristian
Kirk but until then, I think maybe one of the people just be
like, not yet. Yeah.
I mean the, the Jegs discussion has been so exhausting.
I mean, that was another one where Twitter just freaking
loves to say the same stuff that everyone has already figured
out, like, on Kirk. It was like, everyone was just
kind of laughing and having a good time about how big the deal
was and then like, you have like 50 Twitter, sluice being like,
Oh, but what about the guarantee?
So it's only two years, it's only, you know, it's only two
years and there's only this amount and it's like it's still
20 million a year for two years. Like it's still the same.
Like the Kirk discussion was exhausting but like, my my point
is like, I think everyone knows. Now you look at guaranteed money
with these deals and yet, every time you see a new contractor
going to get like, six people chiming in, on your timeline
that are like, we got to see the guarantees.
It's like, yeah, we know that. Now we've known that for like
five years, like that was, that's not Nothing.
That is like yeah the sticker. The sticker value on a full
contracts isn't great. But anyway, you just want to
know about Cristian Kirk and face football peacefully asleep.
He's like, what are you doing now?
I'm still, I'm wide awake. I'm just thinking about how much
stuff I missed while I was gone. Well, but I'm just thinking
through the Christian Kirk's. I was trying to think of, like
an ATP comp or a player type comp.
Obviously, he's not as good as Brandon Cooks, but do you think
he kind of surprised Like research Arc from last year.
He's going to plan their slot but like he's going to be a
similar spot in like a crowded Jegs room but probably is the
best option. Yeah, DJ shark was, I don't
think it's very similar to Brandon Cooks because the target
competition is like, you know, like I don't know he's not
looking at her condo Closer to what closer to Kershaw, go level
okosan Kirk skill. Level.
Yeah, exactly exactly. It's closer to Kirk skill.
Oh, that's perfect way to put it because even like Evan engram,
you're like, okay, you know, he was being used like Jason
Witten, like he might, there might be something to Evan,
engram, this is a tight end, very tight in Friendly system.
It's actually not a very wide receiver friendly system, at
least, you know, it wasn't in in Philly, and they also have a
pass catching running back in etn.
So, So I don't know. Like it's not like there's just
no one there and he's the only remotely capable wide receiver.
I'm an only half kidding when I say this, but the answer is just
to draft. This gig honestly visca has been
like decently efficient, given the circumstances and the route.
C is no path to the routes, but if you're gonna give them to us
for free, we're gonna draft him. We're going to do it.
We're gonna do have physical. You can't stop us.
I don't know how you could have the show at anything, but that
we are going to draft visco and you can't fucking stop.