Well, everybody, we've got just two ADP chasings of the season
left. Yes, basketball summer is in its
final days. We still, however, got plenty of
news to discuss with Josh Jacobs.
Return the Las Vegas Raiders and several key wide receiver
injuries including Terry Mclaurin and JSN.
We'll breakdown our approach to the final days of draft season
and maybe even hop in our first best ball mania for draft as an
AVP chasing team. Let's do it.
Pat Fryer, homo. This is why.
This is why I'm hot Anita. Hand job fix your side, Jamar.
I also play Chase. You can't handle the heat.
It looks like we're finally fist boys.
You're right. So guys, we had this plan all
summer. We're gonna close out ADP
chasing with the high stakes drafts.
Turns out that's then you. Sickos filled all the
tournaments. God damn sickos.
They filled them fast. Fill them real.
That's a bummer. And apparently no more
tournaments on the horizon is the inside Intel from Underdog
that that we're aware of. I'm.
Not sure if we're gonna get another high stakes tournament
and if we try to wait out for another high stakes tournament,
which we don't have today, then that's what we need.
We'll probably fill. For.
Next Monday. So yeah, so we should just go
ahead and draft the BBM is, is what we're thinking.
With it, should we do risers and followers first or the BBM
first? What do you guys think?
Should we hit on? I think maybe we hit on Jacob,
some of the water super injury stuff 1st and then hop in a
draft and then we can talk through some other stuff as we
draft. Anyways, I'll pull up, put the
last year, no small talk today. Let's dive right into the Josh
Jacobs story. He returned to camp.
I think this was largely expected, was sort of reported
even a week before he got. I actually haven't looked at the
details, but he got up to 2 million extra.
I'm not sure if it was guaranteed.
Kind of irrelevant for his fantasy outlook what he actually
got, but got a couple extra $1,000,000 slapped onto his
contract. Question for you guys, starting
with you, Pat, where are you taking Jacobs now?
What's your approach to him? He's risen a little bit, but
this is basically what his price was before the holdout, so not a
huge increase. Are you chasing up any farther?
Yeah, I was able to get overweight on Jacobs with this
third rounds ADP and I think that was kind of the the way to
play it. Like we were thinking basically
this is like, say, when Barkley kind of provided the path and
then Jacobs ended up following that path, That was sort of the
most likely situation to play out.
But as he comes up now, it depends how far up he's going to
go. If he's going to be like Derek
Henry range, I'm fine with that. I'm fine to take him over Henry.
But if he moves into that mid second, then especially in
basketball mania, I think that's just pretty bad.
You're getting a guy who I'm not sure has the like the legendary
upside kind of ceiling. I mean, we're looking at a guy
who was well short of that with a career year last year.
He absolutely dominated his share of team attempts.
He should have a really nice lead in that this year.
But you know they got a chance to look at Zamir White who's
very athletic, bigger back. He could mix in a little bit
more and that would hurt a guy like Jacobs who had like an 80%
team attempt share. So if he's, I've seen stuff like
oh he's you know, should be in the middle of the second round
or something. I will be fading at that price,
partially because a lot of people have mid third.
And partially just cuz I don't think he's really worthy of that
type of pick. Davis I've been ETN pilled, so
like Sean started making Jamal Charles comparisons and I was
like, well, don't really want to be missing on that guy.
And it just feels like I'd rather buy on the Jaguars than
the Raiders. And I already have, so much like
I have My Portfolio is so concentrated in Devonte Adams
that if in the three-week Sprint it's Josh Jacobs posting.
You know, multiple 25 plus point games.
That probably means Devonta Adams isn't.
So I'm pretty comfortable being below market.
I I wonder how much Jacobs I even have.
Like, I I bet I probably don't even have that much even though
I never expected him not to play.
Yeah, I was at 8:00. Percent, But I have a lot of
high stakes stuff, so I kind of felt like it just ended up being
kind of the timing of when I was drafting.
That's how it. Not that I not that I wouldn't
take Josh Jacobs in the third round, particularly like I'm
doing like some comanagement events.
I've got one tomorrow night with Silva.
Gotta think Silva want to be pressing the button on on Josh
Jacobs. You know like it.
It's he he seems fine. But I prefer the two guys who go
directly behind him in ETN and Ramadre by like quite a bit so.
Not that I not that I think he's bad, but it's just hard for me
to click him there. Basically.
Like, it just feels like a perfectly fine ADP for the
people who want to take him. I don't think it's bad, but I
I'm not going to be doing it. But does it stop here?
Because I don't think it does. I think it moves.
I mean it did feel to me like there was this sort of, I'm
calling this a steam valve where there's there was like there was
steam that that was captured and bottled.
During this period because. I like that analogy, Pat.
Right. Like lots of kind of more
traditional fantasy football analysts I think would have been
talking about Jacobs as a 12 turn type of pick.
Like, he's kind of, he's coming off this amazing year, he's sort
of safe, all that type of traditional stuff and but those
type of analysts are generally not the ones to recommend anyone
with uncertainty. You know, if there's contract
uncertainty, it's like, well, I'll just wait it out, see what
happens. So you're gonna get some of that
now. You're gonna get this guy now
that this is figured out, he's, you know, I'll take him over
Tony Pollard or whatever. Like, I certainly wouldn't do
that, but I think there's. Like that would be a disaster.
Taking him over Pollard would be such a disaster.
Well, I. Agree, but I don't.
I think someone is gonna step up to that plate.
I don't know who, but yeah. Well, that's The thing is
anything, anything, any fantasy football take.
You can imagine someone out there, like that's their thing.
I saw a tweet the other day from someone.
I don't even remember who it was, but they said good morning,
don't forget to draft Van Jefferson today.
And I was just like there's a fantasy take for everything.
Like if there's a guy out there who's who's Flag planning wide
receiver 64 Van Jefferson, then there's someone out there who's
flag planted everything, you know, Yeah, the thing with
Jacobs, like I think I'm with you guys that yeah, if you want
to put him over Derek Henry and that's a pretty big jump from
where he is now, Henry goes to pick 20, Jacob's up pick 27.
I actually don't really have a problem with that.
I can definitely see the argument for Jacobs being a
better pick than Henry if, you know I want to take him ahead of
the elite quarterbacks or at least mix him in that range.
Maybe even if you want to say, hey, I'm taking them over like T
Higgins, Devon to Smith now even.
Even that I think is. To get a little weird to me.
Well, the reason why the line is right, the reason.
Why you would do that. The reason why you would do that
is that the stacking options you used to be able to get Hertz
Devons on that 2-3 turn a lot and now you can't.
So I, you know if it's if you're if you're just sitting there
looking at like OK, so I started Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase
and then I took. Take your flavor, wide receiver,
but you want an anchor running back.
I don't have any issue with Jacobs at 3, two or three, one
in that no. I don't either, but we're
talking about late second. Does he go?
How is he in the late 2nd? That feels bad to me.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I probably take Devonta Smith there because I do like
the chance at the Jalen Hurts stack, but I actually don't have
a problem. If you wanna take Jacobs at 211,
you wanna take him over like that Olave Duvanta T Higgins to
your wide receivers. I'm personally like fine with
that. I don't think I would be doing
that every time. I mean, the thing with Jacobs, I
was trying to channel my inner Korean Korean, had a great
article on the legendary upside scenarios.
You guys should definitely check it out.
Pat, I'm curious, like, how you think, Like, couldn't Jacobs
Path just be like, is it that crazy to say Jacobs had €2000
from scrimmage last year, led the league and touches 50
straight catches in two plus years?
What if he just does that again and gets 20 touchdowns?
Like he only had 12 touchdowns last year?
I think that's kind of underperforming his yardage.
Like, is it that insane just to say he does what he did last
year and falls in that zone, like, in a more lucky way than
he did last year? Like, to me that's not that
crazy. Like, I'm curious what you think
though, of his like, true true, like legendary upside scenarios.
Yeah, I think. It's not it's not a great path
because he doesn't have the the receiving element really locked
down over screwy just. He has 2.7 receptions per game,
which is well below we're looking for.
He hasn't been a super efficient receiver, although he's not bad.
He was, he was used more last year at 12% target share last
year, which is pretty solid. But again, not like not awesome.
You know, like if he was at 15% last year.
I'd be like, well, they used them differently.
Like this is a different regime. This is a different Josh Jacobs.
Like we can count on him to be the receiver now, but I think
he's he's more likely to be like used a fair amount as a receiver
but not to an elite level. And then you need elite
something else. And this is not going to be a
very good team. You know, this is a team that's
could be kind of a disaster, like if you circle teams that
could just like, work. Goes to hell like the Raiders
are pretty high on the list. So I mean it, it did go to hell
for the Raiders last year, right?
To be clear, I mean they benched Derek Carr for Jared Sidham like
they were a bad team. They were.
They were a really bad team last year.
I don't find that argument nearly as compelling, but that
might just be Devonte Adams bag protecting.
To be clear, like I am not an unbiased source here on that at
all, but what I worry about. Is these are the snap shares of
his games where he scored more than 20 points, 89 percent, 83
percent, 81% twice to 80% to 79% to 75%.
You start to get into 75% being his baseline or 65% being his
baseline. Because Amir White's working in
a little bit here, Brandon Bolden stealing a couple here,
you know? And then then you're talking
about a guy whose projection each week moves down a tier.
And it's a like he got all the Green Zone touches for the Las
Vegas Raiders last year. I it just he feels to me much
more fragile in the sense of we saw what peak Josh Jacobs usage
was like. Whereas the guys who go behind
him ETN from Andre, the market is making an assumption that
those guys are losing quite a bit of their high value touches.
Which I mean, I think there's going to be two games where
Ezekiel Elliott gets a chance to play goal line stuff and it's
going to be really bad at it. And Belcher is going to be like,
actually, maybe let's not do that, which is not to say Kevin
Harris or Ty Montgomery or someone can't take that.
But for ETN specifically, and and this is not my original
point, Gretchen Shawn have been all over this all offseason.
He misses the rookie year with injury.
There's been this presumption by like film watchers that he can't
catch passes like he did in college.
But like guys learn and add skills in the NFL and ETN is
like not an all time prospect. He's not Bijon or Sequan, but
he's like 1 tier. Below that I don't really see
any reason he can't see his goal line and long down a distance
snaps increase like. Tang Bigsby is like the most
mediocre creative player running back prospect ever.
Like, he is not a special he might as well be during his
Johnson urge Michael Hasty. You know, in the kind.
Of like, Yeah. Sure, Yeah, He's not.
He's not during. His Johnson or Michael Hasty,
he's he's like one of these backup running backs of the
little pop. That's how he profiles.
Or like if he were to take over, be like a high end or B2.
If ETN went down like that, kind of, you'd be psyched to have
him. What?
But I generally agree. I mean, ETM was a much better
prospect than big speak. So just going back to, I don't
really have any pushback on. Can I sorry on the full case for
etn no I. Was going on Jacob's circle back
to something, but you can go ahead if you've got something.
Yeah, just one thing on Jacob's. So there's a mere white stuff
like I was actually. I had this argument with some
folks the other week where I'm like, oh, doesn't like Samir
White kind of get a chance now. Like even if Jacobs does come
back to like carve out a role, maybe he can work in sort of on
the short yardage, give Jacobs more of a break.
And I I do like kind of believe that, but well.
That's a real football guy take, right, of being like Zamir was
here all offseason working his ass off and Josh Jacobs was, you
know, doing whatever. Like, why wouldn't we give Zamir
White some more work? Because to reward his effort in
the office. Yeah, I caught and I sort of see
that argument. But, I mean, so they knew he was
back this weekend, right? And Amir Abdullah and Brandon
Bolden rested and Zamir White played with the Aidan O'Connell
heal and Cole Phillip Dorset group.
Again, that doesn't mean he's, like buried.
I get he's a younger player. I get why he'd play.
But, like, to me, that's not a signal.
Like, oh, we want Zamir on ice because he has a role.
Week one, it's kind of just like Zamir still needs to prove that
he can even be the backup here. Like I'm kind of, you know, I
don't think Samir White comes out of the gate with any kind of
real role. Jacobs got $2,000,000 guarantee
added onto his deal. McDaniels used him like a
workhorse last year. Like that's still my base
assumption is that he is going to be the workhorse again.
I get like the upside with offense and stuff isn't there.
But I don't know like what I'm thinking like Jacobs first like
T Higgins. It's just like I think the
ceiling and the base projection are like kind of better for
Jacobs, to be honest. So I don't know, maybe I'm wrong
there like on a weekly basis or something.
You can make that argument. But I just think the questions
are gonna be so good. As we as he moves, and this is
kind of coming from we brought the legendary running back
framing and that framing. I write that article about
running backs in the first two rounds because that's where guys
who have like, OK seasons that don't kill you actually do kind
of kill you because. You know you get passed by
receiver points and then those teams especially this year have
a chance to get really cheap running back production.
So you kind of lose twice and Jacob's in the third round like
it didn't really apply to him. You know like you can get if he
if he scores a little bit less than last year like OK he scored
19 1/2 points per game in PPR last year like you you would be
fine you know what half PPR or PPR with with the kind of you
know with 90%. Josh Jacobs from last year in
the third. But the issue is as he if he,
you know, if he moves into the middle of the second, which I
kind of think he will, then you're actually looking for more
of like a legendary ceiling. And that's where, you know, I
talk about like the quality of the offense and you know, Davis
is saying, well, it shouldn't be any worse than last year.
Yeah, probably not. But it wasn't good enough last
year. He scored 19 1/2 PPR points per
game last year. He's he had 3.1 receptions per
game. If he's gonna add like 3 1/2 PPR
points per game, where could that possibly come from?
He's maxed out on the touches. He had 80% of the team attempts
last year that was RB one that was 5% more than Derrick Henry.
I think anything from Zamir White hurts a lot, you know, so
and is that if it's half a? Actually, cuz I I kind of think
Zamir White is decent. Like, I don't think he, I think
he's, I think he's the tank bigs be equivalent, right?
So like a backup running back with a little bit of pop.
So I I agree with that. I think Zamir White had 14
carries and 0 Targets last year. Give him 75 carries and 13
Targets and that is coming directly out of Josh Jacobs's
pie in an offense that doesn't have that big of a pie to begin
with. It's like a Walmart store
bought, you know, pumpkin pie as opposed to, like your grandma's.
You know, delicious homemade pumpkin pie.
Exactly. So I don't know, I just as he
moves up, I think you start, you start to want to look at the
ceiling more and it really does feel like last year was the
ceiling. Can he get there again?
Like, yeah, I think so. I think he could have another 19
points a game like, you know, like he did last year.
But I don't think he's a great bet for the truly like getting
changing, you know, earth shattering type of ceiling just
doesn't really like. There's no clear path to that.
And then when you look at the opportunity cost or the kind of
the better bets later, like ETN on the 4th or Josh Jacobs in the
second, ETN on the 4th all day, right, That was easy.
Ram Andre in the late 3rd, I would rather take him.
Obviously I'm Breese in the late 4th or whatever.
Damien, Damien Pierce. In the sixth round, I'm
starting, I'm starting, I'm starting to get very, like,
click happy, like it's 510 and I'm like, why don't I just take
Damien Pierce? Why don't I just live a little?
I'm going to be drafting some Damien Pierce later today too,
yeah. Have you?
This is this is a macro. JK Dobbins in the 6th.
I mean, there's a lot of other ways to go.
This is a more macro thing but about 10 days ago I was starting
to get very burnt out on drafting.
I'm wondering your guys thoughts on this.
But like right now I'm like at like I'm like on the clock and
all these drafts but I'm like excited to pick like I'm I'm
getting much more. The closer we get the more like
excited I am to draft. I'm wondering your guys burnout
levels. The slows have been getting me
down, but the other day I I think it was Marvin Mims or.
Someone fun And I was just like isn't this supposed to be fun?
I'm just taking cuz I'm in more of these high stakes slows where
I'm trying to like really like think about my pics and I was
like, I'm just taking Mims let's have fun again, you know, I mean
I think I'm in like half of those bulldog slows with you,
Pat. We're battling each other in a
ton of those. Those have been getting me a
little bit because people completely like wipe out the
like. The boring players that I hate
to draft are always staring at me like 30 minutes past 80P.
It's like I've taken 2 shares of Zeke at like 180 in those.
So I'm like, you know what? Fuck like I have.
Pick Yeah, I'm like fuck it. Like I have 0 Zeke, like this
seems great, but like I'd still hate doing it at the same time.
But yeah man those those are brutal.
Anyways, let's let's get on schedule here before we do a
draft. I do think there are some kind
of huge wide receiver injuries that have happened the past week
we have not touched on yet. Let's do the sort of Dotson and
Mclaurin conversation in tandem here.
Dotson is up 7 spots and let's see Mclaurin is down 7.
So people are kind of treating that equally just to sort of set
the table on Mclaurin's injury. He suffered A turf toe in the
last preseason game and the general consensus.
Is that it's not that serious of an injury that he is.
There's optimism for Week 1. So yeah, Curious.
Like your thoughts on Mclaurin rising.
Sorry. Falling in.
Dawson Rising. Davis, how have you been playing
that situation? I've been not taking Mclaurin.
I've been taking Tyler Lockett and George Pickens ahead of him,
and I have been taking Dotson. I've been chasing.
I mean, I'm in these 100. I'm literally making my picks
right now. I'm in these 120 fucking puppy
slows. And I yeah, I'm chasing, I'm
chasing this team. I mean, the other thing is
reflected by our next riser, Sam Howell.
But I am also realizing that Sam Howell is, I mean probably he's
a bad pick now and where he's going, particularly in
basketball mania because so many people got him in Round 18 and
got specifically better prices on.
You know like you could get round five by you Ground 8.
John Dotson, round 18 Sam Howell, but more in the snapshot
contest. I'm more into it.
However, I just, I I've been listening to all these Sean
podcasts and he is so bullish on Sam Howell.
It's been like infecting me that I'm like, look if I gotta take
around 15 Sam Howell and around 18 Cole Turner to to back this
to get this team through like it is what it is.
I just gotta. I just gotta click these
buttons. Dotson.
Feels like everything we love though.
Like it feels like young guy, early declare scored a bunch of
touchdowns as a rookie. We know that touchdowns as a
rookie tend to be pretty predictive.
He's got this big opening with Mclaurin.
Probably not ready. Also turf toe by the way.
I did some Googling on this and cuz I was like I kinda had some
memories of like. You know guys I've liked and
fantasy have had this injury before.
Devonta Adams had it. He missed eight games.
Julio Jones has had. It basically was the beginning
of the downfall of Julio Jones like wide receivers when they
get this turf toe injury with 10.
Charles. Woods in a couple of years of
his career, really. I mean, he was playing through
it, but he was kind of that like when he was at the Raiders and
then he went to the Packers and kind of revived himself.
But he'd been dealing with turf toe for like years with the
Raiders. Yeah, I was gonna say Darren
McFadden. That was the one I remember.
Oh my God, I you know how many times I drafted Darren McFadden
in like the third round of drafts only to like get like
literally 0 games out of him? There was a year he was on the
Cowboys and he was like a seventh round pick and I was
just like this is the greatest gift I've ever gotten.
And then he obviously immediately got injured.
But point being. We should say there, I think
there are grades to turf toe. Yeah, this is so, yeah, I would
I would like check with the medical experts.
I don't think like all turf toe. Is like the same.
So this this could end up being mild.
I don't. I don't really know.
It could totally end up being nothing, really.
The only the persuasive argument to me about continuing to take
Mclaurin as he falls is that that 4-5 turn area has become so
hard to click anyone. It's kind.
Of bad to get the 101 right now cuz the 2-3 turn and four five
turns suck. It's like yes.
You you get that you get the Jefferson super boost but then
you have to reach on guys at the at the 2 three turn and at the
4-5 turn. Now at the 6-7 turn though you
end up getting some the 6-7 turn is good and the eight.
Have you gotten an 8-9 turn Kyle pits yet Cuz let me tell you
that is I've gotten those. I've gotten those in a couple of
these puppies. People are People are done with
Kyle Pits people. People are acting like Kyle
pits. Has already disappointed them.
It's it's they. Are they?
Are they're acting like it's 2024?
He's already gonna bet 2023. They're they're already.
They're all like they saw Parker Hesse in in preseason week two
and they were like, I can't do this shit again.
Michael Pruitt ran more outs and them and they're like, it's
over. We do, Sam.
We see these Howl and Pickett arising together and I feel like
that's basically just. These guys looked pretty good.
OK, the picket thing was OK. The Steelers were playing
against. I forget who they played last
week, but it was like the third string players on the Seahawks.
I'm forgetting what team they played now, whatever team they
played, they're playing like the third stringers.
And the Steelers just lit, lit him up.
Yeah, but it's like guys, it was.
Fun. It was fun to watch.
Like, Naji even kind of looked good.
Jalen Warren looked like he was shot.
There's a. Red flag OK, you're touting
picket over this. Naji looked good, so be careful.
Be careful on this preseason game that I think was in prime
time. Whatever like the first
preseason game is of the week that people actually like watch
before they realize they hate preseason football.
They see a couple highlights and they're like, ooh, can they pick
it look really good against the fourth string cornerbacks on on
the Seahawks. We gotta draft him.
So I don't know man. I'm not saying pick it was a bad
pick. So like this one's like.
Pick. It's fine.
I'm buying both of these rises. I just want it on the record.
I'm gonna slap you buying both of these rises.
Let's. Talk howl, because this is a
mistake. The way to play howl is go get
them in some main events. Yes, get them in your main event
portfolio. You get them in high stakes.
Manage leagues. That's how to play howl, because
you're actually. Gonna be able to like start him
early and then if he ends up getting benched, like, So what?
You can move on. Like it's so easy to find
quarterback points later in the main event.
It doesn't hurt you at all. He's so cheap, there's no
opportunity cost really. And if he's awesome, you got him
on some high stakes teams so you're gonna be happy.
But mixing him into my best bowl portfolio as he's rising as his
number one receiver is dealing with turf toe.
That seems bad. I don't.
Well, it makes it it actually, so weirdly, it makes it easier
to get him right. Because if you catch like a
sixth round Mclaurin, you know, and you're like, oh, I didn't
take any of the top 8 quarterbacks.
I don't have a Cowboy to take Dak.
I don't have a Seahawk to take Gino.
It it's actually pretty easy to do.
The guy that I feel if we're taking a quarterback a little
bit, you know if we're going to be happier to take a
quarterback. That doesn't have full job
security. I actually feel a little bit
better about Ritter with Trey Lance going to Dallas.
I think that's like sneak, that was like one of the, it was I
think pretty low odds. But that was one of the ways
this gets screwed up. And now that's resolved.
So. When Carson Wentz is when Carson
Wentz is putting on The Dirty bird in Week 7.
No. Yeah, you're right.
You're right, boy. I so I don't have anything
interesting to say about Waller. I feel like we've already talked
about him a ton. I did just want to mention this
on Juwan Johnson as a big riser. Jimmy Graham's playing more than
anyone wants them to. I just I just officially want
this. On the record Jimmy Graham
scored a vintage vintage Jimmy Graham touchdown in the
preseason last night and Dennis Allen was like jazzed up about
we we we're doing we're doing a press conference.
Pat here. He was like, he was like, oh,
that was really good to see. It was really good.
It was really cool to see him out there running routes.
Like, it looks like he's still got it, you know.
Yeah, OK. The Jawan Johnson thing, I was
going to truth him a little bit today too.
Like, I get it. He's he's a fun player.
But like, OK, last year he was 21st in routes run at tight end.
But that that's fine. Whatever you can still, you
know, justify taking the tight end 18 at you know who's
running. He's a bit of 18th, right?
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Well. He's the wide receiver at
Oregon. Yeah, he's converted wide
receiver. I get it.
But like, if we're gonna nitpick all these guys like routes, like
we nitpick the shit out of Kincaid's routes, we nitpick
Dolsage's routes, man, they added.
Thinking with Kincaid, it's like a 10 drop pick.
Yeah, yeah, Okay, whatever. I mean, Foster Moreau and Jimmy
Graham are gonna play a lot of these, like, blocking play
action snaps, I think. I mean, they basically replaced
Adam Troutman with Foster Moreau and Jimmy Graham.
You can say that doesn't matter at all.
I think you're just chasing, like, touchdowns with Joan
Johnson, which is fine. But like, I had a.
Lot of them last year, which is like kind of why you care about
him. Like if you if you're like what?
Why is Joan Johnson a guy I know Again, it's cuz he scored a
bunch of touchdowns last year. That's why.
That's why he's on the radar. He did have like a really like
their car was talking him up is you know this.
Yeah, he's got a lot of hype, connection and.
Yeah, yeah, So that's good. But then the route stuff is bad.
So if he's rising, it's probably not the right time to take him.
Yeah, I just still like Musgrave over him.
He's also rising a crazy amount. But like, the role feels better
with Musgrave. Maybe I'm like over.
Musgrave is gonna like run the third most routes at tight end
of any tight end in the NFL. Like he's gonna, he's gonna have
run like an A and dummy number of routes when it's all said and
done. Yeah, I guess I could see that.
I don't think that's the most likely thing to happen, but just
cuz. Because this is a true, this is
a true. What are you gonna do to take
this away from me, from the coaching staff?
Because the other tight end options are guys they hate.
And just side to Guerra, who has never been a functional part,
those. Are under blocks.
Is what it is. The blocking tight end got hurt,
Tyler Davis got hurt, and then the other rookie, Tucker Craft
has been way behind Musgrave in developmental.
And then you might be like, Oh well, they'll just go really
heavy with the wide receiver personnel.
Will they though? Because they don't have anyone
older than 23 in their wide receiver room.
Like like the. It might just fail because Luke
Musgrave is not good and never top like 317 yards at Oregon
State. Like that's totally a
possibility that I'm open to. But it's not going to.
It's not going to fail because they just decide they hate a mid
season, I don't think. I think it could with the run
blocking stuff like if the and. I don't know, maybe this isn't
that big of a concern because I don't know much about the bars
run blocking ability, but if like they're A-Team, I think
that's going to want to be able to run the ball a lot.
And if Musgrave is not doing that for them, like if he loses
11 personnel snaps at all, cuz they can't run the ball out of
11, that would really, really hurt.
But I don't know. I mean, that's at this point I'm
only mentioning stuff like that because he is such a riser.
As you know, he was an awesome late round pick.
Clearly, yeah. Let's sit on Judy and GSM
quickly. Judy is a pretty dramatic
faller. His injury timeline is a little
scary. Some Twitter doctors are saying,
you know, he could be fine week two, week 3.
Some are estimating more like week six.
I think the official like reporting and team optimism has
been on the more optimistic side of that timeline, which it
usually is. I'm a little spooked with with
Judy. I think he is right to fall this
much. He wasn't a guy I was high on.
Earlier I think. I think you just hit on it.
It's that people weren't that excited to take him where he was
going anyway. I.
Think he made any sense? Remember when we said the 3-4
turn? I was like, what is happening?
It just didn't make sense to me. But like people I really respect
were on him there. And so I was just like okay,
like I guess we're doing this, but then I'd mix him in some.
But like when a guy like that then suffers an injury, it's
like hard for me. To go Harmon.
Harmon really. Harmon really shit on him from
like a film perspective, was like, this is the most
aggressively mediocre route runner I've ever seen who people
say is like the best. Yeah, the Harmon stuff versus
open score stuff. There isn't like a player where
it's more different than Jerry Judy.
So to give Judy like a little bit of credit, like obviously
love Harmon, love his stuff, but like, there is some film
charting, esque stuff that likes him I guess.
But yeah, I was skeptical. Yeah, the.
Player Jackie, he was wider. Super 10, I think the Yeah
player, Jackie's quite good on the player.
Yeah, probably quicker than that.
But couple couple questions. I think our listeners will
probably have this while they're on the clock the next couple
days. Would you guys take Jerry, Judy
or Tyler Lock it. Lock it every time it What about
Mike Evans or Jerry Judy? John Dotson.
I'm going. I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling
down. I'm scrolling down three more.
Yeah, that's, that's correct. I'm taking Judy to answer the
question. I'll take Judy, I'll.
Probably take Judy there, but that's about the line for me.
I think like pick 65 ish for for Judy is about like maybe, maybe
that's playing too scared. But I think I like Pickens over
him. I like Locket.
I like Kirk. I probably like him better than
Mike Evans, Gabe Davis. So the the something that's
interesting though is that as it pertains to basketball mania
specifically and not these time box contest is that if Judy is
back, even if he's back in week three or something like that,
like you just you've got like a really unique combo with Judy at
this stage, right, because there were 70% of the contest was
drafted with him in the third round more or less, you know
third or fourth round so. You getting, you getting him at
55 or at 60, you have like you have a very not only, not only
like, it's just very unique those that grouping of players
is going to be harder to advance because they're just not going
to exist that many combinations of it.
Yeah, I I have him one spot ahead of Evans in my rankings.
Behind Datsun, but ahead or also behind Gabe Davis would be
another guy. Yeah, I think that's.
I think that's fair for him. It's just like I do get the game
theory side of things, but sometimes I think we overthink
these injuries and not reacting enough.
The markets clearly react to these like Mclaurin, Judy, JSN
are all down. So I'm definitely giving the
market some credit here, but. JSN tilted.
I've never seen a guy more tilted than Sam was about Jsn's
lack of a fall. About 3 minutes after his injury
was reported. Yeah, his baby.
If he hadn't moved, he's. Not respecting this in a second,
dude. And that didn't get it was a I.
Gotta be. I gotta keep it.
Injury and he still had to move an ADP.
I didn't understand I. Gotta keep it 100 with everyone.
I'm drafting the shit out of injured JSN.
Mostly because I'm drafting. Mostly because I'm drafting in
these puppies where it's like I just want to have a sick team in
the final, like if I lose $750 in the Puppy 3.
You know it is what it is, but, and these are mostly of what I'm
drafting right now, I'm almost done on DraftKings and on BBM,
though I found it very hard to say no to round 8JS N on
DraftKings. The thing is, is you can now
take him as your third wide receiver.
The way I draft, probably 4th wide receiver for for a piss
boy, maybe even a fifth wide receiver at that spot.
But you can also do. 2592 builds or or 33592 in which JSN's
points like, yeah you're getting zeros for a month.
Like I'm basically counting him out until week 6 but his like I
think he is. I think JSN is going to be your
classic low advance rate, high win rate guy in the playoffs
basically. I mean the chat is saying, like,
you know, he's always been a long play.
Jsn is what he is like I I get what the chat is saying here,
yeah? But we just, we just spent, we
just spent two months drafting him in the fifth round though
like it's there's no way to paint it as good.
It's it's bad. Yeah, like you're in front of.
JSN exposure, don't we? So, like, in some ways I'm like,
all right, I guess I'm. I don't think I'm hammering.
I'm not going to hammer him now. I think, yeah, I was.
I was below 8% on him before and now I will be I will be way
above. I am taking some cuz I was
fading him before. I'm the best ball like bro
stereotype that Pete had in this video where I was fading jsn on
underdog and taking him on DraftKings cuz the price was so
different so I was like I at 1. Point had 50% JSN on DraftKings.
Yeah, I just took him every time in the sixth round.
But like, OK, I'm just tilting the chat again.
I've been tilting JSN all week. You can't just say like he was a
playoff play. Like it doesn't matter that he's
maybe injured for the first six weeks, like this is your second.
If the price is different. Well, it matters.
It matters to his develop the thing.
I mean to go real Football guy, it matters to his development,
right? And it's going to matter.
It's going to matter to how the Seahawks want to deploy him as
well. Like those, those tilting penny
heart snaps are going to be happening in Week 7, not in week
one now. And you're like he he might not
start running enough routes. To be like a managed league play
until like Week 10, that it's it's very bad.
Like I mean I really don't want to invoke this name because I'm
like all the way out on him. But they like you could see some
Jameson Williams type vibes here where it's like where it's like
the rookie year just never really gets going.
Come on, like we did this a little bit with Eric's last year
and like, way too. Big a Jason back for you to
start. Confident to Williams, yeah,
that's that's a bridge too far. But I don't think, like, the
Burke's stuff is like that. Different, like obviously
different situations. Burke's was just like out of
shape dealing with asthma last year and there was like wide,
wide reporting. He's gonna, like, start slow.
He's not starting different situations.
I get it. And that's kind of what happened
with Burke's, like, by the time his season ramped up and he
started to be useful, it was very late in the year.
He hadn't been useful for a long stretch of the season.
And then he, you know, gets unlucky and gets a concussion
and never really materializes. But man, like, I don't think
people are realizing the NFL season is 16 weeks.
And if a guy has a legitimate chance to miss six weeks like,
you can't just say he was a playoff play like.
Well, the the thing that tilts it is that their bye week is so
early that maybe even if he was ready to play in week three, I
think they're gonna hold him out.
I would if I was a betting man, I'd say it's -110.
He does not appear in a Seahawks game until after their bye week,
probably, which. Is their bye week?
Is what, Week 5? Week 5, Yeah.
Yeah. So he's gonna miss four weeks of
the season? Almost assuredly, yeah.
But for your lineup, for your lineup, he's probably gonna miss
six or seven. Yeah, but everyone misses their
bye week. Well, yeah.
I mean, well, you're saying he's gonna start start slow.
It doesn't. Matter it does.
It could now maybe. It truly doesn't matter.
It's like the it's I. Maybe I'm wrong, right?
So. So I painted the pessimistic
picture. Let me paint the optimistic one
that the beginning of the season they were gonna play.
I don't even look D Eskridge or Freddie Swain or who I don't.
I literally don't even know who the Seahawks 4th wide receiver
is because it's so immaterial. But they were gonna play that
guy. They were gonna play that guy
instead of JSN anyway, right? And that was, that was their
plan. Just like they're going to for
the first month of the season, they're stubbornly going to play
DJ Dallas on 3rd downs, even though Charbonne is probably
better at him than it anyway. So maybe he he he gets a lot of
film time. You know, it's it's a it's an
upper body injury, not a lower body injury.
So there's no concern about conditioning.
He's going to be able to run. He's going to, yeah, he's going
to be able to do all that stuff. He's going to be able to be on
the sideline at the games. Like maybe these would have been
low production weeks anyway. While he learned and figured it
out and he actually hits the ground running, they don't do
the Ola BC Johnson thing for him.
And in week six he comes out first.
Snap 11 personnel and he's out there.
It's totally possible. There's nothing guaranteed about
that, but I think that's more likely.
I mean, everything we heard about him out of camp was like,
total professional. This guy's ready.
He's, you know, it's just about him learning like.
Like fine tuning playbook stuff. Like there's no becoming an NFL
wide receiver. This guy is an NFL wide
receiver. And they targeted him a ton.
And his limited, his targets per route run and his limited
preseason time was really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you need a discount. You need a discount.
He's gonna miss probably four games of the season, which is a
lot. So you can't just sit there and
take him in the 5th where you were taking him, but you're
getting a discount. So I think I'm actually kind of
talking myself back into taking some of getting some different
team textures with him than I had before.
This feels about right. 73. Yeah, Feels about right.
It feels. About right.
I guess I'm still just like Jordan, Addison, Zay Flowers and
Quinton Johnson all go after him.
And particularly with Addison, I think you have to be so
confident in your ability. To predict prospects to say that
Jordan Addison who went what, 2 picks later in the NFL draft?
Well I think he's in a much better situation to get routes
on his team who when you look at their prospect profiles I get
Jsn's ceiling is higher that sophomore year but there's red
flags in Jsn's prospect profile. It's not something like Jamar
Chase like spots I. Didn't even really like him that
much as a prospect compared to. And then I started listening to
Shawn, and I just lost all objectivity.
But I I did not giga love him as a prospect, yeah.
Again, I'm not saying he's a bad obviously.
I'm not saying he's a bad prospect.
It's just like Addison and Flowers to me who are not, don't
have broken wrists and are not going to miss like probably 5
weeks to start the year. Like, why should we be taking
JSN over those guys again? Like, I guess I just don't.
I don't get why Addison ahead of JSN now, but I think what the
reason would be that you can poke holes in Jason's profile,
but I don't think you can really poke holes in his ceiling.
That he was insanely efficient as a super young player playing
alongside Garrett Wilson and Crystal Lave.
We used to put a feather in his cap that Jamison Williams had to
transfer because he couldn't get playing time over him.
That might not matter. Maybe, maybe, maybe doesn't.
Maybe, maybe he transferred to these.
Well, maybe. I think actually just while
we're here on Jamison Williams, who is a huge baller.
I actually don't think the issue with Jameson Williams seems to
be his ability to play football, but all the reporting just kind
of makes him sound like a jerk. It just it seems like it's maybe
a personality thing that he just is not super driven, not a super
team, sport oriented guy and that feels like maybe a bigger
deal than his ability to play football.
Yeah, we we talked about how we need analytics for, for the
personalities. We'll be working on that, yeah,
but. But the thing with JSN why I
wouldn't be taking him personally over Flowers is like,
is the ceiling of what this profile, you know, could be
like. JSNI Think does have the
prospect profile of someone who could absolutely smash as a
rookie, and how likely is that to happen?
Far less likely than Jamar Chase was likely to turn into Jamar
Chase because there's a lot more like you got to do more
squinting for it to to come to fruition.
But he liked the yards per outrun you know being able to to
be competitive in terms of the the dominator rating the market
share yards as what a true sophomore with those older guys
there with him is really encouraging for when you look at
ceiling type of outcomes. So I do think like compared to
Zay Flowers his his potential ceiling is quite a bit higher.
Yeah. I mean that that's fair.
I just feel like it's like the NFL season is so short, you're
losing off a third of the games and like JSN might be way better
than Zay Flowers, but like now we're talking about just like a
10 game stretch where they're both healthy.
Like that's such a small sample. Like I kind of just and I can
squint and see an upside case with Zay Flowers, can dust for
Sean Bateman and Odell and be the Ravens clear number one wide
receiver. Like I think that's firmly in
the range of outcomes. I think even then he's the
number two behind Andrews, you know, and also I think that's
pretty unlikely that's yeah, that's sort of you with.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you're saying.
Like if I was playing Dynasty, I would take JSN over those guys
for sure. But like, I just think it's a
little bit of Dynasty brain. That said, he probably does fall
behind those guys with, I only think Dynasty Brain for me to be
honest. I think it's Week 17 Brain.
It's who's gonna absolutely crush for me like is is that
changed is the is there any downside with this wrist injury
for his playoffs Like no. Like he's not.
It's not lower body like it's a, you know he'll be totally
healthy by then. So it's more just like who's got
the highest ceiling for the final weeks of the season.
To me it's still clearly JSN over Flowers and Quinton
Johnston By the way who we should probably touch on.
Like, doesn't mean people were psyched about his, his
highlights and stuff from the preseason, but he was.
It's not clear he's had a Palmer right now, which again isn't
like a huge concern. But when you start to think
about like JSN, going in the Quinton Johnston range, like
Quinton Johnson might have a pretty slow start to the season.
Yeah. I think that's gonna happen that
Josh Palmer's gonna play over him in week one.
I feel pretty strong about that, which no reason to panic, but
yeah. Yeah.
All right. Well.
It sounds like we disagree a little bit on JSM, but again, I
don't think we're actually that far off.
If we were like ranking them, it's probably just like I have a
couple players over JSM and it sounds like, Pat, you have
Addison just ahead. I have Addison ahead, yeah.
So that's probably I would maybe put Flowers ahead.
I don't even think I put Johnson ahead because I think he has
playing time risks too. It's just so I think we disagree
on the margins, but I think this is largely an appropriate.
A market reaction to Jsn's injury?
I'm like 2 picks behind ADP right now.
Or like a pick and a half behind ADP.
Yeah. I think you could nitpick in
that range, but I think this is if you wanna get some exposure
here. I'm not saying this is a
terrible idea to buy the dip here, just to be clear, I'm just
probably nitpicking a couple players that go behind him.
Okay. Should we do a draft unless
there's anything? I just think, I think the Kyler
Murray randomly falling here at the end is just really funny
that like that. Like now like, yeah, we just
have decided in the last two weeks of drafting that we don't
want the guy who might not play it all this year.
Like it's. I don't know, it's just kind of
funny, I think. It's the Josh isn't the Josh
Dobbs trade that spooked people. It could be, yeah.
I mean it really, I I actually think what it is, it's that the
market was pricing in a little bit of, oh shit, Kyler is back
on the practice field 10 days before the season and then it
just never came. Although to be fair, he could be
practicing with the Cardinals and we would have no idea cuz
they have the worst beat writers in the game.
They have beat writers like, Hey Athletic, take someone to cover
the Cardinals. Why is that not happening?
They're an NFL franchise. Why don't we have beat writers
for them? For the Cardinals?
Yeah. All right, let's open a draft
here. We did have this, which will
very quickly show we can maybe touch on this during the draft.
I think there's some RB2 stuff we can talk about, but we'll
probably hit on it I. Think I.
Think Justice Hill is the Ravens running back, too.
Just while we're Just while we're here.
While we're I have so much Gus Edwards from early and I I was
like, well, what's wrong about that?
I don't think, Pat, are you manning the ones in the twos
here? Yeah, I'll get this.
OK, got it. Yeah, Edward's off completely.
He's packing to be able to share his screen with us in his in his
hotel room. I believe so.
OK. I don't wanna, I don't wanna.
You know, I don't wanna tax. I don't wanna tax your.
Are you are you in a hotel in San Diego right now?
No, I'm in. Hang on, I'm trying to use a.
Nondisclosed location and reopen.
All right. I gotta.
I'll be back. All right, class, we can talk
some of these things quickly. The one that I think is really
under the radar is Matt Breda on the Giants.
Like, we're just bored of him, right?
But he's clearly, yeah, yeah, the running back too.
Like why is he? Never.
That's one. So that's one where I think the
market actually has this right. We're like sure Matt Breda will
play his little snaps per game or whatever, but.
Gray is the one who has the chance to actually grow into a
role that impacts Saquon's touches in the year cuz he
actually might have some juice like he he might be like OK, not
that I am a Eric Gray truther, but that I think the market has
that one right. I think the market has most of
these right, although Ty Chandler should be going, we're
we're about to be on the clock. We have the 103, the sharing is
being a pain, but who do you got?
It's like a 103. Christian McCaffrey.
CMC Yeah, OK Christian Caffrey. I don't.
I don't start divorcing my round one picks from ADP until after
Kelsey goes. There we go.
Yeah, you can talk me into. You can talk me in the cup here
if like you guys both really wanted to.
But I'm McCaffrey 3. Yeah, McCaffrey 3 too, man.
We're just, I think there's part of us that's just like you could
totally make the case for McCaffrey.
That one, like, I'm not saying that's what I would do, but
there's a little bit of us that's just like board of
McCaffrey. Yeah, it's still the same
ceiling outcome, like maybe even higher in this offense than it
wasn't Carolina. And we're just kind of like,
yeah, we'll take him at three. Like, let's not even think about
it. Well, that's what.
When I did the legendary scenarios, I was like, we will
need to have like a debrief on why Christian McCaffrey, who I
believe would be it. Was a good line legendary
season? Yeah, it was a good it was a
good line you had. We'll spend, we'll spend about
18 minutes debating on why McCaffrey didn't go first
overall. Before we start arguing about is
Caleb Williams better than Patrick Mahomes.
This that's such a good. This is such a good one.
Caleb Williams is going to be the highest drafted rookie
fantasy quarterback of all time. I my guess right now on Monday
August 28th 2023 is that when we're doing the show next year,
Caleb Williams is a fourth round pick.
That is my that is my guess. Wow, a fourth round pick in
basketball. People people love guy people
and and he is really that good. But the thing about him though
is Caleb Williams is is a actual like not like a not like a CJ
Stroud, Bryce Young, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence Scrambler.
He is a running quarterback who is also.
The greatest passing quarterback in college football, Like it's A
and he's huge. He is.
He's like 6 to 225 pounds. Like he's a giant guy too.
I just went before you said that from I guess I just wanna have
Kenny Caleb Williams to being like I'm drafting Caleb Williams
in the foreground next year. Sounds good.
You gotta. Enter those tournaments in in
February before he steams up that high you gotta take.
He had. He had.
He had 500 rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns as an 18 year
old true freshman. Like.
He's nuts, dude. He's he's gonna win the Heisman
twice. He's gonna win the Heisman
twice. All right.
So how much better is he than Patrick Mahomes?
It's hard to say. Should the Chiefs trade, Patrick
Mahomes should. The Chiefs trade Patrick Mahomes
for the Well, the more interesting thing.
Get that rookie contract, dude. The two.
So I mean, maybe it's maybe it makes sense.
Man, we're gonna be stuck in hell here.
We are. We're gonna get this impossible
2-3 turn pick that you just can't cuz like once a lot.
Well, I'm gonna want to take Derek Henry, and you guys are
both gonna say no on that. Yeah, you're right.
You're right about that. I've got enough.
You used to be. Able to get back In my day, you
used to be able to get Tony Pollard at the 210 every once in
a while, man. Those were the days.
You can get Chub Pollard, Derek
Henry all in like the early 3rd. Of them we are.
We are officially in hell. I get.
We could take. We could take Devon to Smith and
and I take probably Smith in the spot.
Yeah. I want to take Devon to Smith
and see if we can get Hertz to come around.
Yeah, right. That's the way to play.
It that's the way to play it, correct?
And then I actually have this. I do this a lot.
Like I have a lot of these teams that are Christian McCaffrey,
Devonte Smith. It's probably one of my highest
combos. Yeah, and then you get sniped on
Hurts. One thing before Every time you
get sniped on hurts. It was a good process.
It was a good product. It's definitely good process.
But there's a couple other guys that I I don't mind taking once
we get. I may not hurt, yeah.
Jacobs. If you're saying Jacobs is gonna
rise, it's not a terrible time to get your last chance at
contemflate Josh Jacobs. If if Hurts goes.
Week Week 17 Who projects for more points?
Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews or Devonta Smith and.
Jalen Hertz, who projects straight up for more points.
Yeah. All right, there we go.
We got, we got Hertz. We got Hertz.
Hertz is the way to go here, right?
Yeah, yeah, I think. I think it's a good question,
Davis, but I think Hertz Devonta projects for more but.
I bet. I bet.
I bet it's not. If Lamar is healthy in Week 17,
I bet. I bet.
You just add, you go to establishtherun.com.
You add the, you add the two columns up.
I bet. Lamar Andrews projects for More
half point PPR points than Devonta and Jalen Hertz.
Yeah, well I'm happy with that cuz I have so much Lamar.
I have so much Andrews. Sadly, I don't have them
together that much, but I have a ton of them both individually.
You. Have to.
You have to do it at the 2 three turn now.
If you want it, you have to. Yeah.
By the way, I was on a stream with Liam and he was talking
about like this unique combo. You're reaching for Andrews on
Lamar. I was like, dude, it's not
unique. Like, everybody's doing that and
he goes no dude at the 1-2 turn. That is unique.
See the same thing having to meet David.
So I was like, right, right. What Liam Liam is Liam is the
best dude, he is. He like Liam is the most vibes
based drafter of all time. But he like, he's like a savant
in some way, you know, because, like, he like.
He he what? Like, I think it would be very
easy for someone who's trying to nag Liam to be like, oh, he
just, you know, he just shipped like, whatever.
Anyone can ship it once. But he literally won the 555 on
DK the next. Yeah.
Like that is. That's like it's barium and the
2K as well. Yeah.
Like, it's not. Yeah, that's.
Not a tournament. There's like 12 people in that
one. So we can throw that now.
Hey, man, so it's too K You're risking me.
Maybe. That's good that I'm just trying
to process. I'm just trying to process all
the points you're giving up doing Lamar Andrews at the 1-2
turn. It's like you like you are
losing different combo. You're losing, but The thing is
is you have. To say there's no difference
between like Amari Cooper and A.J.
Brown, if you're making that argument, that's what you have
to say. But.
But it's like you're fear 3-4 turn.
You're just like shit. I have to hope that Ram Andre
Stevenson outscores Tony Pollard, and I gotta hope that
Debo Samuel outscores A.J. Brown.
It's it's like you're losing so many points, yeah.
I actually liked the argument. I heard a stream with Hayden and
Liam and they were talking about it.
An eliminator. Like if you just wanted to auto
draft eliminator and take like Lamar Andrews at the 1-2 turn
every time, I think in like a oh wait, sorry not eliminator.
Weekly winners, weekly winners, yeah, weekly winners.
I think that because in any in any given week, I think those 3
four players could outscore those one, two turn.
And if you just want to say I want Andrews and Lamar every
single time and you know, see what happens after that.
I think it makes sense. A weekly winners, kind of, but
I. Mean there will be there will be
one week of the 17 weeks where they are.
Those are the two highest scoring players period and
fantasy where no other player scores more points than them.
So if that's your that's your baseline.
It's just a matter of you know, do you get the right combo and
your other, you know, your other 16 roster spots.
All right. So we're on the cloud.
Yet another yet another disgusting spot here.
No Drake, I. Don't even like Drake.
London. It's.
I love Drake one. It's better than.
I mean, I like when he falls here.
I have the same concerns about Drake London that I have for
Kyle Pitts. But Drake London has to put up
wide receiver points and Kyle Fitz just has to put up tight
end points and and you're getting pits 40 spots cheaper.
But here's what I don't have concerns about that he's not
gonna have an elite route, right?
Yeah, you should be out there every single snap.
Yeah, and that Pitts for whatever reason's getting
rotated out, which is gonna hurt cuz when the pie's.
That small. It's not for whatever reason,
It's that he's got a little knee injury right now.
Okay. Yeah, I mean, he was wearing a
brace all off season and so made the point like, you don't wear
knee braces for fun, guys. It's all right.
So this is I wanted. I wanted.
To It's Deonte. It's Deonte Johnson, yeah.
Yeah, I'm probably Deonte here. Should we talk, Kirk?
Is there any? Is Deonte over Kirk?
I mix them. It's interchangeable to me.
But we already have our We already have our quarterback.
So we don't have to sweat setting up Trevor, do we?
Care about week? Week six?
No, wait, no, I lied. That's not a correlation.
Forget what I said. And this sets us up.
This sets us up to take the falling JSN as well.
It does. So there you go.
Sam. Get excited.
Ohh man. Oh, this also by the way, sets
us up. This sets us up for, for round
15, Michael Wilson. We we can set, we can set the
Max on Michael Wilson and and that's all mania.
I think with Jason, I think is like I saw the worst JSN takes
on my timeline and now I'm just arguing against the straw man
and that's what. Isn't that what you do though?
Is that what that's like? My whole brand like, yeah, it's
like, I'm not even sure like what you saw.
Like what did Sam see? I would you need to like quote
like no more subjects. Like, tell us who you're mad at,
because I'm like, what is Sam even tilting right now?
Yeah, I don't. I don't know.
It was hard. It was hard to figure out the
source of what I was tilting. But there were some takes.
Like they were just like, ah, the injury doesn't matter.
He's a playoff play anyways. It's like, yeah, yeah, the guy
who broke his wrist and is missing six games, like it
doesn't matter at all. 45 Sam come on.
Doesn't matter dude. Just got.
Exaggerate You got. Exaggerate a little bit When
you're arguing against. When you arguing against the
straw man you gotta, you also have to become a straw man
yourself. Exactly, exactly.
And you have to become a strong man.
It's only fair if you argue back with a straw man argument.
Do you guys feel like there's just no like when you guys were
drafting in June, I felt like I was getting like these awesome
picks like this is 3 rounds of value.
Whether it materialized or not. Like in my head I was talking
myself into like. This is a smash.
Yeah, there's no value picks right now, yeah.
I'm just like all. And I just straight up will not
click like half the guys. So I already know who I'm gonna
take when I'm on the clock. I just just I'm not clicking.
Literally half the player pool that gets drafted.
It's just they're just, they just like Alexander Madison.
Literally might as well not exist for me.
I like, I might be so trained that I could be like on the
clock and around 10 and I just am so like never clicking
Alexander Madison that I might just pass right over him.
Cuz I'm like, I don't take that guy.
I take, I take Madison. Do you?
I never take him. I mean, I would take him around
10 obviously, but. Yeah, sure.
I. Have no interest in, it's.
Just I like kind of Walker. Dobbins and Swift more than him.
So it's just yeah. Dobbins over Madison is like an
easy one for me, cuz. You're I'm not a Dobbins bull
either, really. I am at the sixth round.
Pierce. Pierce over Madison.
No question. Pierce over Madison for sure.
Like, I feel pretty confident Madison is not good.
And that's just that's a problem.
It's more it's more that I just don't feel confident that he is
good and if you don't feel confident that he is good the
the projectable volume vet is very fragile like he's he's Luke
Musgrave but at running back is just like sure he's the guy so
we're giving him the ball but like right.
Right. But I would think that like just
pushing back on the projection a tiny bit, like the people who do
projections like ETR, I think they're pushed back there would
be like they're probably docking the shit out of master the
ceiling odds and like doing a shit.
They're probably factoring that all in and they still have them
ranked at like pick sixty or something.
So it's like a little Jacob C to me where I don't think he's very
good. But like the Vikings are playing
Ty Chandler, like deep into preseason games.
Like, I don't think the Vikings think these other guys are any
good at all. So I don't know I see how you
lose, but the price seems fine. We shouldn't think talk about
we're. Gonna he's he's he to me seems
like a real silent killer type season guy that.
Yeah, for sure. For sure.
Just take a receivers honestly. The Jovante cuz we like all the
wide receivers on the cloud. Get.
Some Mike on. Jsn.
Here, well, we should take Jovante because we like all the
next 5 wide receivers. What about Arizona?
Week 17 and A we. Take Michael Wilson.
We take Michael Wilson. Or I mean or Hollywood.
We're fine with. We're fine with any of.
These grab. Yes.
What about? Wait, we don't.
We don't want Goddard. Are we gonna take a tight end in
the next pick? Well, I don't.
Like Dallas Goddard that much, Okay.
I mean, I'm fine with you. I think we need the receiver
structurally, yeah. I mean, I know I would have, I
would have wanted to go water super tight end.
I think, yeah, we could have done.
It too, yeah. Also, Goddard.
Goddard sometimes randomly falls too, because people don't really
like to click him that much naked.
So when you're the Hertz team, you kind of drive him.
Not that I think we'll get him at the 8:10, but it's like, I
don't know, 3% possible. So I guess we're stuck with
Pittman. We could, we could take Quinton
Johnson, he correlates with Jovante.
I think we're overthinking Pitman a little bit.
If we're taking the Chargers, maybe number.
I I like, I like Pitman. I I felt very invigorated by
what I saw from the Colts and preseason week three.
There were there were some naysayers, but I was like it
checked all the boxes for me. Yeah, I'm.
I think Pitman in the 7th is fine.
Yeah, I'm good with that. Got.
A lot of got a lot of round five Pitman mixed in that.
So I'm I'm hoping, I'm hoping that round 7 Pittman is a league
winner because I need round five Pitman to be fine.
The Marquis Brown Dallas Goddard 2V2 seems pretty fun.
I kind of wish we did that. Yeah, I like Goddard.
I like Goddard a lot. Just cuz I don't know, I guess
we already took Devonta so some of the ceiling cases gone with
him. But in a season where A.J.
Brown and Devonta were healthy the whole year, Goddard paced
for like 1000 yards. That was also, again, with the
Eagles like basically not playing football in the fourth
quarter last year on offense, like they were just handing it
off to Boston Scott in the fourth quarter and enough.
Imagine imagine a world where Jalen Hertz throws the ball 600
times and the target shares are the same that they were last
year. And like, these guys can go so
nuclear. Yeah, that's what I think for
A.J. Brown and Smith.
It's like the ceiling is priced in.
But I don't know, like pits. That's the thing.
I don't have much pits this year and I can see where I'm wrong
just on his talent being much better than Goddard's.
But like the floor and ceiling feels quite good for me, like
with God or like his weekly ceiling, even in a season where
his target share is not that good, the pass volume is not
that good. Like he's still on the Eagles
offense tied to Jalen Hertz where his pits like man, the
floor. Some of the floor stuff with him
gets gets kind of scary for me so.
The Chad roasting us. For for taking Javante when we
talked about Jsn's wrist and Javante's coming off a major
knee injury. He.
Played in the preseason. He played in the No, dude
Jovante. Jovante never suffered this
injury. Where is he going?
And it's him and P Ryan A2 man. Backfield.
Where is he going? I I still feel like Jovante has
negative inertia. Keep him down.
Yes. Yeah.
And he's he's way ahead of schedule.
Which is not to say that he's 100% because I don't think he
is. But he's way ahead of where we
expected him to be. Yeah, so strategy was, I'm just
gonna float this out. I've been tie breaking towards
like not picking running backs as much now because in the last
couple rounds of these I want Kyron Williams, I want Chris
Evans, I. Want to do that more from.
I want to be like three of those guys that aren't getting drafted
at the end. So yeah, that's what I'm
thinking. See.
I've been doing. I've been doing the opposite to
unlock that. I've been I've been taking more
more 0 RB, more elite quarterback, a little bit more
elite tight end. Like I I've been pretty heavy on
like more running backs earlier than you guys early in the
offseason. But I've been kind of like
anchor running back, like 0 running back now to try to take
advantage of some of these RB twos just for the leverage
stuff. So that's what I'm trying to do
with my last like 20 bullets and BBM is like a ton of hero RB
with like see. I've literally been doing the
opposite and just ending every draft with Tutu and deontay
Hardy. I mean you can do it with
Waterseeper. Too, Yeah.
I like both those guys. Yeah, this is gonna be an
interesting spot. Well, I have a the eighth round
has become like for a player for me, so we'll see.
The eighth round I take Bateman and the eighth round.
I was gonna say Bateman, Bateman, Herbert and Richardson
trailing, trailing. I like Richardson, I like, I
like Richardson. And then just being done like
obviously at quarterback, I would take should we take
trailing just because the Wild receivers get so gross after
him? Yeah, yeah.
Let's take, yeah, let's take trailing.
Let's take trailing We can get a wide receiver or we can get a
running back or quarterback. I think we like.
And we can, we can eat. We can eat two weeks of zeros or
whatever. Well, he gets back from this
knee too, Herbert. Was the guy I was also eyeing
there. Herbert would have been good
there. Was anyone else?
Really good 5th receivers. Nice.
Was anyone else shocked that Brian Robinson was the top five
Sean Siegel 0 RB list guy? I was every, every name made
sense to me, but I was I was like no chance to see a Brian
Robinson in here. I would actually take Anthony
Richardson here and then we can take out Pierce and just be
done. Yeah, I mean, we already have
Pitman too. We don't even need Pierce if we
want. But yes, I forgot we had Pitman.
Yeah, let's get Richardson. Yeah.
Oh, our quarterback room just ran for 2000 yards.
It feels beautiful. I love God damn.
Taking Anthony Richardson in the ninth round feels so good.
There's a couple spots that still feel weird to me, like
Anthony Richardson just readily available in the 9th, Bateman
readily available in the 8th. Where did Dobbins go in this
draft? Early, yeah, 6.
Yeah, he. Wins six, yeah.
Dobbins, I do not understand. Maybe I'm just like used to kind
of where guys used to go, but like.
He doesn't. He doesn't catch.
He doesn't catch any passes. Yeah, but it's you know it is
half PPR if you told me Dobbins. No, you can't.
OK, hold on. I'm calling foul.
We Crane. You and I are both terrible at
this. Like I would say of all
analysts, we are amongst the three worst offenders of this
where a guy we don't like, we penalize the shit out of him for
whatever it is, but a guy we do like, we yada, yada, yada it
like like JK Dobbins doesn't catch passes.
It's fine. It's fine.
And it's .5 PPR. You know, like we well.
But it's also the six Rams. Fine, sure, fine.
But I would go. If you told me that JK Dobbins
was on the 4-5 turn, I wouldn't be surprised.
Sure. And then guess what?
He doesn't catch passes. Dude, you can't take him there.
So you're right. I would flip.
I'd flip on him hard. But I do think like I kind of
wanna. I mean, you know, I'm just
defending my yadda, yadda yadda Ness, but like, I do want to
raise the red flags when the price is high and talk about the
upside when the price is low to some extent.
You know we can all over and yeah, micro take on the Ravens.
Like I don't think the difference between Greg Roman
and Todd Monken can be like overstated enough.
Like I think this offense is gonna be so different.
Obviously Lamar I still expect to scramble and that will hurt
Dobbins, but this offense was using running backs like so much
differently than any other offense in the NFL with Greg
Roman like super heavy personnel.
You know Patrick Carr is playing a ton of snaps.
Tons of two tight end stuff. Like, you know, I definitely
can't say like Dom's is guaranteed to catch more passes,
but it's gonna be a completely different offensive I.
Think he'll run? I think he'll run more routes.
I think. I think you could say he don't.
It doesn't You like you can lead a horse to water, but you can't
make a drink like Lamar. I think structurally just
doesn't like to check down that much.
But I bet he will run more routes.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying if we're hyping up James Cook's
pass catching, obviously Domin's different prospect, different
player than James Cook, but I think Dobbins has a little more
pass catching ceiling than he did the rest of his career.
I'm not saying it's gonna be something crazy high, but.
There is one very clear pick for our team here.
And I'm just, I'm really, I think he's gonna get sniped.
I think he's gonna go before we get there.
But there's one guy who we gotta take.
All right. I have a guy in mind.
I'm hoping it's same guy. It's not.
It's not going to be, but there's just like a for a
structural stuff, there's one guy who fits our team like a
glove. Nice and it's.
Not juju. It's not Juju.
Smith St. It's.
Not Juju Smith shoes here. So that was Sam's guy.
No, it's my wait. Yeah, he got, he got tackled.
You guys see feelings, feelings, preaches and highlights.
We don't want to take him on the.
He got tackled then, yeah, OK, Friarmuth.
Friarmuth was the guy who structurally, we we had the game
stack set up. We needed a tight end.
Jalen Warren was the guy that I was.
I don't get why isn't the joke we falling like so much.
Like I've been scooping him around.
Pick 120, like I guess it's not the most exciting.
Like, it's. Because we're just bored.
It's because we're just bored. We're talking about guys with
locked in route rates like David and Joe.
Is yeah. I mean the next running back for
me would be like McKinnon. So yeah, cuz we can't take P.
Ryan, do you want to just scoop the value here?
Yeah, I wanna scoop the Njoku. Yeah.
Value value handing, baby. We talked about how there's no
values, but here we go. You let us get a value room.
There's just there's not been a single story about him.
There's not been like he just has not been part of the
conversation at all. Yeah, he's got some athletic
hype, like the beat writers for the Browns have really been
hyping him up. But it doesn't seem to have made
its way to like the Twitter. Didn't he run like every single
route? With yeah, his role is like
gonna be one of the best tight end roles in NFL.
I'm pretty confident of that. Like whether he can, yeah, earn
targets at like at a high level, I'm not sure, But pick 120, I
mean it seems, seems pretty good.
So do we want to push running back?
Because I don't like any of these, I'll.
Just pull up the 0 running back list and there there's there's
two guys on it who are available.
But can we I? Just want to push Marvin Mims
here. Just honestly who I would push,
it's. Fine.
Yeah, we already got Duvante. Yeah.
I mean, I would think. I think Myers and Zay Jones are
definitely like. Myers also correlates to Supreme
We. We don't.
Myers is fine. But do we need?
We do. We need a stop price?
We can go, we can go for more upside I guess with them.
Yeah, like Myers. Myers is my preferred guy in
that round where I have like maybe maybe I took Mclaurin or
maybe I took JSN. You know, and I just need a guy
who's going to be like 9 1/2 half point PPR or whatever.
Like I'll take Myers there. But when he's your sixth guy and
you don't have any injured guys or any suspended guys, I think
it's Mims. So I like in this build maybe
like we're turning towards 2673 here, like 6 running backs on
the Caffrey feels like a lot. But if we take them all super
late, I think it actually. And and our first two running
backs have the same bye week as well.
So hopefully we can get a Mingo or someone here that we feel
good about as our 7th wide receiver and then just crank out
running backs and tight ends. Maybe we'll see.
We should have taken Kincade. Way more fun to take, Kincade.
No, no. Come on.
We can't let Liam win. Listen, Liam's gonna win, Liam's
gonna win. It's gonna be Kincaid is gonna
score 2 touchdowns like on the right week, and somehow he's
gonna advance some team with Kincaid on.
He's gonna get to victory lap and then Dawson knocks on that
same team will score a touchdown on week 16, and then and then
neither, and then he'll wash out in the final.
I'm sorry you're you're gonna make the finals with that team,
Liam, but then it's gonna wash out because you have two
terrible ties. Because because Deontay.
Because Deontay Hardy got 7 targets out of the slot in week
17 against the team. Yeah.
The hardest The guy you need. And that's how we get Davis
Davis. That's how you.
If Deontay Hardy is the guy you need, I've got to be the most
well positioned analyst of anyone.
Like. Like, I'm not saying there's no
one who's drafted more Hardy than me, but I got to be close
to the number one. In fact, to the point that when
when I people know it's me in the draft, Hardy sometimes goes
in the 17th round because I just take him every time.
I need to start taking him more. I'm taking some, Yeah.
I have 5%, which feels pretty good for guys.
Been on drafted all year. Yeah, it's pretty good.
Yeah, I was 3. 103% Shakir I was never I got.
A lot of deonte Hardy. I took Shakir for a minute and
it's Shakir. Is Shakir is dead The the Bills
beat writers are saying he might be a healthy scratch because he
doesn't play special teams. Yeah, Tyquan Shakir.
That's I was really trying to get you guys off Taekwon and you
you kept drafting for a couple more weeks I.
Sometimes take him. I sometimes take him in around
20 on drafters now just because it's like, what else am I doing
with my life? I can't take Sean Tucker.
He's not on this site. Yeah, I mean, honestly, this
isn't even the Mike Parker. Exposure makes me a little sad
because it is. It's just that high.
It's really, there's no way this works.
There's no way this works. But.
Yeah, I have 3030% Devante Parker, my highest known player.
It's disgusting. I don't really want to tell.
About it. That was truly disgusting.
I have 17% Parker, so you have twice as much Parker as me.
And I feel gross about my, I mean, the choice all offseason
was like, do you want Devante Parker or Khalil Shakir?
And I'm sorry, but there was a correct answer to that question
and I answered the test right. It's not gonna work in the end.
He's obviously gonna get injured.
But it's a good process. Yeah, obviously it's.
The correct answer was some random running back that we've
yet to identify. Yeah, fuck Mingo, Mingo goes.
That's a bummer. And Reed goes.
I mean when I get back into a corner here.
We're not back in the corner at all.
No, no, I'm just saying. Really strong picks.
Yeah, Algeria. Gain well, gain well, gain well.
I think it goes well first. Gain.
Well, first we have Hertz. All right, fine with Hertz.
Yeah, gain. Well, is a no brainer, right?
With Hertz? Sure.
Yeah. Yeah, it didn't click for me
that we had Hertz, but once you mentioned that, it's like, yeah,
we gotta take them. Yeah, that that's probably good
on this bill too, because if Javante starts slow, we probably
just need some like gross like 8 point Kenny gain.
Well, what if? What if Gain well isn't gross?
And what if? What if the what if the Eagles
beat writers weren't lying and gain well actually does have
like this like really gnarly role in the offense.
Everyone, everyone not waves it and just says like all three
guys are playing. Swift plays.
Penny gets his work, but like if you were, if you had to bet.
On one Eagles back to lead the team in touches the first month
of the season, I think you would bet game well.
If you let me change that to snaps then I would be very happy
to take game well. It's just the touches part.
Yeah, you know what? Fairpoint.
I actually think, I actually
think you're right. Like he's gonna get a lot of low
value touches. I I think Groshon.
I think groshon. I.
Think Groshon too. What if I told you that, Roshon?
Went from being a guy we thought might not be active until week 4
to the passing down back for the Chicago Bears and straight up
week one that passing down back for the Chicago Bears is a role
that you definitely want to choose.
You really wanted. You gotta lock.
You gotta lock that up in the 13th round You.
Gotta lock you gotta lock. Justin Fields, Passing.
It's down. There's exactly 1 fantasy
football analyst who has touted Travis Homer this offseason and
I'm looking at him. Hey man, when Donta Foreman gets
cut because of Travis Homer's punt gunner roll, I'm in a
victory lap that no, I'll find a way to victory.
That thing? Doctor Foreman is getting cut
because Roshon proved that he's good enough to play right away
instead of having to be a healthy scratch.
I'm capitulating on Roshawn. I'm not capitulating on my
Travis. Homer matters.
Take I'm I'm finding a way to well.
I mean. Matters take life is going to
make you capitulate. Hard on that one, I'm I'm
telling you. We are.
We are going to the foreman gets.
I was just, I was raising the red flags for one of these guys
is either going to get cut or be inactive on game games?
That's. Part of the trade.
That's part of why I'm like Rosh.
I'm drafting Roshawn now. But guess what?
Did he? Did he rise?
Did he rise in price like after this news that he's playing?
No. You can still get him.
I know we're. CLV guys, But like getting the
points is the most important thing.
And I think having having some Rochon bags from earlier in the
offseason is even if the price doesn't rise, it's still going
to be good. Yeah.
But I just think there's a point You chase the ambiguous
backfield, I get that. But like sometimes you go to
like in my opinion like go to the next level and like this
Bears backfield is going to be the one of the lowest expected
points back fields in the NFL. Like I am very confident in that
with Justin Fields at quarterback not passing to
running backs, stealing a ton of goal line stuff.
Like it could just be a three headed monster that like sucks
for fantasy, which is why the prices are so low.
So it's like I don't know, I'm fine.
I was fine waiting out the uncertainty and I'll take my
Rosh on now and I'll get to 7% and I'm fine with that, but.
Yeah. I didn't hear you make.
I didn't hear you mention Travis Homer there when you were when
you it seems like. Hey man, he's going to make the
roster. He's going to make the roster
and Doctor Foreman's probably getting cut.
So that's all I'll. Say damn, our tight ends are
getting savage right now. Yeah.
I hate to see it. This is going to be a Hunter
Henry ahead of ADP team. Well, there's there's a couple
guys left. I mean the.
One one guy in particular. Gerald I take Gerald Everett.
It's it's not fun, but I agree. Yeah, we can only take down the
Piers and probably be done at receiver, but that would be a
nice second stack piece. I would rather take Josh Downs
in the 18th when we already have Pittman.
Should we grab Everett then? I.
Think we go, we go Everett. Downs Downs.
Did you guys catch this? The Downs, another guy I would
say is, is Spears real quick cuz he's, I mean Spears is kind of a
smash and he's a 0. Runback guy?
Sure, sure. Click Spears first.
Yeah, I mean this guy from us is 0 tight ends is all say.
No, actually, Sam's right. Sam's right.
Everett, first, this guy is four runs.
I think we need Everettmore. It sucks, but we need
Everettmore. I think we do cuz tight end
actually used to be able to get smash tight ends in the 18th.
Now it's a little. I see.
And I do like Spears. I definitely like Spears.
Well, they both have the same buy, so we are taking a third
tight end, but there you go I was.
Planning that anyways, I think if you get in Joku at no, I
think I think we need it anyway too.
Yeah, losing Spears hurts. Yeah, would have been fun, but
again. I do wanna take some of these
undrafted guys. Spears has been getting drafted
all year. I do wanna take some of these
Kyron Williams types. Should we just grab pears here?
Yeah I think we've been done that's even take Pierce.
What do you guys think? I.
Like Jeff Wilson thought, thoughts on thoughts on Jeff
Wilson? I guess we have the specter of
the Jonathan Taylor trade hanging over us.
Yeah, that's part of it for me. Plus, it's like a correlated.
Guy, right? I like downs.
I like downs better. But it's fine, Pierce.
It's a. Round pass, ADP and yeah, it's a
tough one, but I think we just take Pierce for the correlation.
Cuz now, like I I really do think like if you're drafting
now, like what's the difference really between dev and
Singletary and Kyron Williams? I think actually Kyron Williams
is like projects better on a weekly basis.
Probably Karen's a better pick than Singleton, yeah?
Not saying we were gonna take Singletary.
We would have taken Wilson. But like, I do really like
getting some of these guys that have not been getting drafted
all year at this point. Yeah, yeah.
Josh Kelly is a. Good one.
Kelly's great. Let me pull up.
I made a little CHEAT SHEET. Some other guys we can talk
through. While you left Pat, we were
talking about Breda. Like, Davis wasn't into him, but
he's a guy who's so clearly the RV2 for the Giants in my
opinion, and he's literally gonna get drafted in 0% of
these. Yeah, that makes me a good pick.
Right. I don't know.
It's hard to talk yourself in like he's not gonna have a role.
I'm not like ignorant to that, like he's not gonna have a role.
But he's played all the snaps of the starters in the preseason
and like, behind like Deshaun Corbin, I think actually played
ahead of Eric Gray this preseason game.
So it's like Eric Gray was also like, not a very good prospect.
Yeah, it's kind of like a middling receiver type dude.
Like there's nothing. There's no real reason to be
super excited about him. Yeah, I mean the thing about
Brita, right, is that you do have to think through it from
the best ball mania perspective of you trying to one and 16,
trying to get through one team out of 16 teams in both weeks,
15 and 16. So the odds that Burrita does
anything and either of those weeks are very low, but it's
like probably going to be the only team with him if he does,
yeah. And his his odds of doing it
like aren't that much lower than, you know, I think that
maybe Taiji Spears is a little bit better but like Duce Vaughn
just got drafted. They're higher than Duce.
Like yeah, just wants them pretty regularly drafted.
I think his odds of doing that are about as high as Duce
Vaughn's. And you'll they're.
Look, I like Duce Vaughn. I love him.
I went to the same college as him.
We're the same size. You know I love Duce Vaughn.
But Mike McCarthy has no interest in giving that dude 10
plus touches a game. None.
Yeah. Rico Daddle is the one who
rested with the starters and Duce Vaughn played like it's.
It's Rico Daddle as RB 2, by the way.
Malik Davis played behind Hunter Lepke.
Yeah, yeah. It's got to eat that one.
Gotta eat that one. Then drafting some Malik Davis
is not happening. Yeah, the only way Daddle I
think loses that RB 2 role is if they really think highly of.
Rojo, I guess we'll learn that tomorrow, right?
Like they'll cut Rojo if he's. Do they have to make a decision
on Rojo? I don't know.
I think when you're suspended you don't count against the 50.
That's why he did it. That's why, cuz he did a little
for the two games so he'd make the roster.
He's actually super fucking smart.
Your daily Rojo update. Damn, we are.
We are getting locked out of the late upside tight ends.
It's all right. We got, we got Everett.
I think Everett and like having Everett and Injoku makes me feel
like we can get fucking K dot in their Durham Smythe and I'm, I'm
alright with that. Yeah, yeah, I think you're
right. What do you guys wanna do here?
I. Mean I would take like Kyron at
this point. I would take one of these
undrafted running backs, I think.
We take taste of mill. We need some ceiling at tight
end. I'm being serious.
Taste them over in books. Yeah.
Yeah, it's fine. I mean taste.
Them's a little after ADP and I'm fine with it.
This is, yeah. And there are there are multiple
running backs that we can take here as well.
Like there's not just one that I think is a target.
Is there something to the fact that if we've taken 2 tight ends
with the same bye week, we want to count on, taste them,
whatever we can take them? But that's probably overthinking
it too much. It's like any tight end this
late is probably not very. Their likelihood of scoring
points in Week 5 specifically is pretty low.
So yeah. Yeah, whatever.
But yeah, I mean. We just need Tasim Spike to come
at the right time. Yeah, people are still doing the
like like other tight ends being signed with the Saints, like
matters for Tasim. It's like Tasim's not playing
the preseason. It's like, yeah, I'm not shocked
that Tasim Hill package isn't being used in the preseason.
Like why would it be? Yeah, yeah.
It'd be so weird if it was right, yeah.
It would be so bizarre for like. It would be.
It would be straight up bizarre if that if that if that was like
what they would be like, why? For what purpose?
Yeah, here's the trick plays we're planning on using this
year. Yeah, Like, why would they?
Do that you guys. You guys are not ready to hear
about the running back that I'm gonna tout, but.
Clyde over to Lair is starting for the Chiefs and week one?
It's like no one even cares. Cyron.
Clyde over to Lair is just Cyron Williams, but he's on the
Chiefs. You can't take you.
Guys, you guys are you get this is bad and wrong.
I mean, it's fine because we need a running back, but I just
want it on the record. Like Clyde is not going to score
in Week 17, Clyde is not scoring in Week 17.
But he is. Scoring in week one, we.
Can't. We can't do it with the week one
point had it sold me cuz we have Devante, but maybe we'll you.
Are so right that Karen Will Ch is just Karen Williams and the
Chiefs. I hate.
I'll get a point. That was well, I didn't, So I
posted this cry for help tweet about Ch yesterday and Adam
Scherer responded and was like, yeah, it's just hard for me to
take. Came over Karen Williams and
that was the first thing that came to my mind is I was like
these are like the same unathletic, shitty, like
theoretical past catching back, but one of them's on the Rams
and one of them's on the Chiefs. But if Jared McKinnon was on the
Rams, we would never even consider taking Karen Williams.
Yeah, that's. The thing is, is McKinnon is
going to do, it's going to be the same thing that happened
last year. McKinnon is going to be kept in
the break glass in case of emergency until the weather gets
cold. It they're not 31 year old.
Jarek McKinnon. Is not playing 35% of the snaps
from the Chiefs weeks one through 17.
He will be. If they just get an OK running
back, why can't they do? That special like, all right, 31
year old Jerry McKinnon. We gotta play this smart.
Look, you're the Chiefs. You're the Chiefs of running
back market is the lowest value for any of these guys in the
history of the league. You can't find someone.
Frankly, it is very. It is unserious.
It it is extremely unserious that they have continued.
They've hosted 5A FC Conference championship games in a row and
their best performance in any one of those games, I mean was
Darryl Williams. Darryl Williams was the only
Chiefs running back who has been good for them in the playoffs.
That's it. And Damian a long time ago,
Damian in 2018. But yeah, it's it's it's
unserious. It is.
I think Mckinnon's good at what he does still.
But to rely on him at this when he's this old, it's just like,
it's not that expensive. Like strategically deploy Jared
McKinnon as the Kansas City Chiefs.
You're fucked up. There's like that shouldn't be
part of your plan. A shouldn't be.
Let's manage Jared McKinnon. I.
Mean four years ago. Literally.
He's getting roto world blurbs that he has dead legs and he is
the Chiefs out when they get to the the playoffs they're like,
they're like the dude we the trainers are working 24/7 with
him. He's you know he's drinking
electrolyte juice. We we we've got him doing yoga
just to get those legs like up and running.
Should we start putting some some of these girls running
backs in the queue here and start talking about them?
I do want to, I do want to defend Kyron a little bit, cuz
Suean in the chat was pointing out that he's like super
unathletic. And I actually went through the
other day and looked at some of like these kind of guys like
Kyron, like the Jamal Williams of the world and almost all
these guys are just as unathletic as Kyron Williams.
If you're going for like guys who can kind of like make their
way as like the coach trusts them pass blocker, you know,
productive in college is like a little bit of versatility like
Kyron actually looks like a lot of these guys who have mattered
as contingency rotational backup type.
So I don't think the athleticism at this price is really,
honestly, I don't think it's really a red flag.
It would be if he was like a fifth round pick.
I would be hammering it to Davis's point.
Then I would be holding it against him.
But to me that's that's price I'm using price, not just bias.
OK, All right. What are we, what are we like
here? Ch is still here.
I'll throw out four sevens and Rico Daddle.
No, I'm serious. Again, more on seriousness, it's
it's it's like he's under no threat of being cut.
Pacheco has a shoulder injury. McKinnon is 31.
I don't even like, I hate that you guys are like Sean Tucker
went ahead of him. The third running back from the
Tampe Buccaneers goes off the board because we're just that.
It is what it is. It doesn't make me any happier
than it makes you. Yeah, my, my only thought is
like, I just, I kind of like Ch has been kind of getting drafted
all year maybe. I think we're on the clock.
So Ch. I mean, we kind of have to give
Dave a CEH. Yeah, we got to give him a CEH.
Yeah. Yeah.
I would have been on Rico down over the sevens for the record.
But yeah, I'd be actually curious what percentage CEH has
gotten drafted in these cuz that kind of meaningfully influenced
my. Feelings about them about.
Between 70 and 80%, like not everyone, but not not like half.
Undrafted. We got it.
We got an ADP chaser in the
chat, Deonte Hardy goes. That's a good pick.
It is a good pick. Yeah.
This is a good team. This.
Actually, this is a good team. This, this came.
This came in altogether, yeah. Let's, let's recap the team
here. So we got Jalen Hertz, Anthony
Richardson, Christian McCaffrey, Javante Williams, Kenneth Gain.
Well, Roshon Johnson, Karen Williams, Clyde Rosie Lair.
We did. We talked about grabbing some of
these late running backs that aren't going to be on a lot of
teams. Damonte Smith, Drake London,
Deonte Johnson, Michael Pittman, Trail and Burks.
Marvin Mims and Alec Pierce. And then David and Joku scoop in
that value. Gerald Everett and Tazenhill.
Thought this is a good, this is a good team like this is just
straight up. I think that so our 2V2 would
have been downs instead of Clyde.
And then who did we choose Pierce over?
Oh, it would've been Jeff Wilson, Jeff Wilson and Downs
versus Alec Pierce and Kleiner Solaire.
Which side of that do you guys like?
I mean, honestly, probably the downs.
Yeah, I like the downs. I like the downs.
Jeff Wilson, side better. But we got Alec Pierce at, like
171. Like it's so.
It's so late there, but I mean that the question, the answer to
that is really does JT get traded to the Dolphins or not?
It's like, so binary. Yeah, it's binary.
Yeah, I kind of think JT is getting traded.
I kind of. It does.
It feels very like Miami flashy city.
They made the you know, they hired Michael Daniel.
They trade for Tyreke immediately.
Like it feels feels like something they would want to do.
You know, I I I get. I get that.
But. I don't know.
At the same hand, doesn't it feel like Jim Merseh might be
like really serious? Like you've got to give me a
first round pick to get Jonathan Taylor, cuz we might be dead
tomorrow, you know, I don't know.
Yeah, there. So here's the here's the way it
feels to me, right? The cults were like, listen,
man, no one wants you, and we're gonna put you out on the market
and you're gonna find out no one wants you.
And then all teams are like, we would like JT, yeah.
And then they're like, oh, OK, I guess we should, I guess we
should think through this a little more.
And, you know, the Dolphins send a deal and the deal's getting
rejected. I don't know, maybe this, maybe
all these reports are nonsense. But the fact that they're still
clearly like some kind of ongoing negotiations with these
teams, offers have probably been exchanged and rejected.
It's the type of thing that happens before someone gets
traded. Not to say he's definitely going
to trade it, but like, this all feels like.
I, I, I can talk. We're gonna get straight.
I I agree with that. Yeah.
I think it's gonna take a second team getting involved to like,
drive up the asking price. I think we've heard that the
Dolphins have made like, a legitimate offer.
There have been some other offers made, but I think not
that serious. So I mean, that's kind of what
happened with McCaffrey in the end, getting traded to the 49ers
as the Rams stepped in. That kind of drove up the asking
price to a point where Carolina had to actually pull the
trigger. So.
That's the teams I'm looking at, the Bears, I'm looking at the
Rams, looking at the Dolphins. One of these other teams besides
the Dolphins needs to like step in and start ponying up some
offer to sort of drive up the asking price.
And that's probably how it gets done.
But anyways, good show guys. I think we'll wrap up here.
I think we'll probably, we actually haven't talked about
this, but I think we'll do one more show next week.
Final ADP chasing yeah. What are we gonna do in season?
Are we just done? Are people the people don't get.
There's no way to feed the chase.
What do we? I yeah, I don't know I was
thinking like every week I think is probably gonna be tough for
us but I would love to do like maybe some monthly basketball
resurrection ADP chasing like we'll do something we'll we'll
figure it out internally and get back to you guys.
But it'd be fun to like do something in season.
Maybe not hitting you guys every week live but we'll I'm sure
we'll we'll figure out something.
It's been. It's been a blast, but yeah.
Anyways, final week, Final stretch Pat.
Anything else command a legendary upside?
Are you doing more running back upside write ups for some of the
third round? Yeah, my plan is actually to do
those now. Okay and write those up cuz I
have in the hotel room have moved out.
All my stuff's in. God knows what Murphy's doing
over there, I don't look like. He's just vibing, dude.
Yeah. So he's doing the lick thing.
I'm like getting a little nervous about what he's what
he's planning to do in the bed. So anyway, with all the stuff's
on its way to San Diego and living out of a hotel room, so
my work process is not what it usually is, but that is the plan
for me to write up some more legendary scenarios for the
backs going outside of the top two rounds.
But yeah, that the, you know, the kind of classic legendary
running back article that I do every year.
But looking at the guys in the first two rounds is completely
free. So go check that out at
legendaryepside.com. Awesome, Dave.
So what about for you? Are you doing the main event
with Silva and Thorman that we normally do?
It's. Tomorrow night, Yeah.
So that'll be out. That should be this week's take
cast. And then Karine and I, Thursday
morning, are gonna do the show we've done the last two years, I
think. And we are gonna do our league
winners. So we're gonna go through like,
basically like you're drafting this weekend.
This is this year's Josh Jacobs. Smile Sanders.
You know, total total breakout guys.
So that's coming. That's coming this week all.
Right. Looking forward to you guys
breaking down Adam Feelings. Breakout case do juices.
But yeah, that sounds fun. Good stuff, guys.
I'll be. Yeah, I'll be here next week for
ADP Chasing. We'll have a roll announcement
soon. Some more details about my In
Season content plan, but that'll probably be sometime at the end
of this week. Anyways, we will see you guys
all next week. Thanks again to everyone for
hanging out in the chat. That's a fun show.
Peace.