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Well, everybody, we've got just 
two ADP chasings of the season 

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left. 
Yes, basketball summer is in its

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final days. 
We still, however, got plenty of

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news to discuss with Josh 
Jacobs. 

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Return the Las Vegas Raiders and
several key wide receiver 

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injuries including Terry 
Mclaurin and JSN. 

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We'll breakdown our approach to 
the final days of draft season 

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and maybe even hop in our first 
best ball mania for draft as an 

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AVP chasing team. 
Let's do it. 

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Pat Fryer, homo. 
This is why. 

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This is why I'm hot Anita. 
Hand job fix your side, Jamar. 

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I also play Chase. 
You can't handle the heat. 

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It looks like we're finally fist
boys. 

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You're right. 
So guys, we had this plan all 

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summer. 
We're gonna close out ADP 

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chasing with the high stakes 
drafts. 

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Turns out that's then you. 
Sickos filled all the 

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tournaments. 
God damn sickos. 

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They filled them fast. 
Fill them real. 

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That's a bummer. 
And apparently no more 

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tournaments on the horizon is 
the inside Intel from Underdog 

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that that we're aware of. 
I'm. 

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Not sure if we're gonna get 
another high stakes tournament 

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and if we try to wait out for 
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which we don't have today, then 
that's what we need. 

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We'll probably fill. 
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Next Monday. 
So yeah, so we should just go 

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ahead and draft the BBM is, is 
what we're thinking. 

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With it, should we do risers and
followers first or the BBM 

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first? 
What do you guys think? 

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Should we hit on? 
I think maybe we hit on Jacob, 

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some of the water super injury 
stuff 1st and then hop in a 

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draft and then we can talk 
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draft. 
Anyways, I'll pull up, put the 

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last year, no small talk today. 
Let's dive right into the Josh 

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Jacobs story. 
He returned to camp. 

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I think this was largely 
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even a week before he got. 
I actually haven't looked at the

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details, but he got up to 2 
million extra. 

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I'm not sure if it was 
guaranteed. 

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Kind of irrelevant for his 
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got, but got a couple extra 
$1,000,000 slapped onto his 

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contract. 
Question for you guys, starting 

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with you, Pat, where are you 
taking Jacobs now? 

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What's your approach to him? 
He's risen a little bit, but 

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this is basically what his price
was before the holdout, so not a

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huge increase. 
Are you chasing up any farther? 

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Yeah, I was able to get 
overweight on Jacobs with this 

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third rounds ADP and I think 
that was kind of the the way to 

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play it. 
Like we were thinking basically 

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this is like, say, when Barkley 
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then Jacobs ended up following 
that path, That was sort of the 

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most likely situation to play 
out. 

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But as he comes up now, it 
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go. 
If he's going to be like Derek 

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Henry range, I'm fine with that.
I'm fine to take him over Henry.

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But if he moves into that mid 
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basketball mania, I think that's
just pretty bad. 

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You're getting a guy who I'm not
sure has the like the legendary 

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upside kind of ceiling. 
I mean, we're looking at a guy 

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who was well short of that with 
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He absolutely dominated his 
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He should have a really nice 
lead in that this year. 

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But you know they got a chance 
to look at Zamir White who's 

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very athletic, bigger back. 
He could mix in a little bit 

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more and that would hurt a guy 
like Jacobs who had like an 80% 

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team attempt share. 
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oh he's you know, should be in 
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or something. 
I will be fading at that price, 

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partially because a lot of 
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And partially just cuz I don't 
think he's really worthy of that

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type of pick. 
Davis I've been ETN pilled, so 

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like Sean started making Jamal 
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like, well, don't really want to
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And it just feels like I'd 
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the Raiders. 
And I already have, so much like

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I have My Portfolio is so 
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that if in the three-week Sprint
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You know, multiple 25 plus point
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That probably means Devonta 
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So I'm pretty comfortable being 
below market. 

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I I wonder how much Jacobs I 
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Like, I I bet I probably don't 
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I never expected him not to 
play. 

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Yeah, I was at 8:00. 
Percent, But I have a lot of 

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high stakes stuff, so I kind of 
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kind of the timing of when I was
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That's how it. 
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take Josh Jacobs in the third 
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doing like some comanagement 
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I've got one tomorrow night with
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Gotta think Silva want to be 
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Jacobs. 
You know like it. 

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It's he he seems fine. 
But I prefer the two guys who go

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directly behind him in ETN and 
Ramadre by like quite a bit so. 

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Not that I not that I think he's
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to click him there. 
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Like, it just feels like a 
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people who want to take him. 
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I'm not going to be doing it. 
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Because I don't think it does. 
I think it moves. 

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I mean it did feel to me like 
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calling this a steam valve where
there's there was like there was

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steam that that was captured and
bottled. 

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During this period because. 
I like that analogy, Pat. 

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Right. 
Like lots of kind of more 

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traditional fantasy football 
analysts I think would have been

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talking about Jacobs as a 12 
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Like, he's kind of, he's coming 
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of safe, all that type of 
traditional stuff and but those 

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type of analysts are generally 
not the ones to recommend anyone

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with uncertainty. 
You know, if there's contract 

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uncertainty, it's like, well, 
I'll just wait it out, see what 

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happens. 
So you're gonna get some of that

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now. 
You're gonna get this guy now 

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that this is figured out, he's, 
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Tony Pollard or whatever. 
Like, I certainly wouldn't do 

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that, but I think there's. 
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Taking him over Pollard would be
such a disaster. 

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Well, I. 
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I think someone is gonna step up
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I don't know who, but yeah. 
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anything, anything, any fantasy 
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You can imagine someone out 
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I saw a tweet the other day from
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I don't even remember who it 
was, but they said good morning,

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don't forget to draft Van 
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And I was just like there's a 
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Like if there's a guy out there 
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receiver 64 Van Jefferson, then 
there's someone out there who's 

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flag planted everything, you 
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Jacobs, like I think I'm with 
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to put him over Derek Henry and 
that's a pretty big jump from 

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where he is now, Henry goes to 
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I actually don't really have a 
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I can definitely see the 
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better pick than Henry if, you 
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the elite quarterbacks or at 
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Maybe even if you want to say, 
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Higgins, Devon to Smith now 
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Even that I think is. 
To get a little weird to me. 

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Well, the reason why the line is
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Why you would do that. 
The reason why you would do that

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is that the stacking options you
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Devons on that 2-3 turn a lot 
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So I, you know if it's if you're
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looking at like OK, so I started
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and then I took. 
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but you want an anchor running 
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I don't have any issue with 
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in that no. 
I don't either, but we're 

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talking about late second. 
Does he go? 

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How is he in the late 2nd? 
That feels bad to me. 

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Yeah. 
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I mean, I probably take Devonta 
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the chance at the Jalen Hurts 
stack, but I actually don't have

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a problem. 
If you wanna take Jacobs at 211,

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you wanna take him over like 
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your wide receivers. 
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that. 
I don't think I would be doing 

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that every time. 
I mean, the thing with Jacobs, I

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was trying to channel my inner 
Korean Korean, had a great 

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article on the legendary upside 
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You guys should definitely check
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Pat, I'm curious, like, how you 
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Path just be like, is it that 
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from scrimmage last year, led 
the league and touches 50 

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straight catches in two plus 
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What if he just does that again 
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Like he only had 12 touchdowns 
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I think that's kind of 
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Like, is it that insane just to 
say he does what he did last 

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year and falls in that zone, 
like, in a more lucky way than 

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he did last year? 
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crazy. 
Like, I'm curious what you think

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though, of his like, true true, 
like legendary upside scenarios.

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Yeah, I think. 
It's not it's not a great path 

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because he doesn't have the the 
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down over screwy just. 
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which is well below we're 
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He hasn't been a super efficient
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He was, he was used more last 
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year, which is pretty solid. 
But again, not like not awesome.

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You know, like if he was at 15% 
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I'd be like, well, they used 
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Like this is a different regime.
This is a different Josh Jacobs.

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Like we can count on him to be 
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he's he's more likely to be like
used a fair amount as a receiver

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but not to an elite level. 
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something else. 
And this is not going to be a 

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very good team. 
You know, this is a team that's 

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could be kind of a disaster, 
like if you circle teams that 

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could just like, work. 
Goes to hell like the Raiders 

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are pretty high on the list. 
So I mean it, it did go to hell 

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for the Raiders last year, 
right? 

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To be clear, I mean they benched
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they were a bad team. 
They were. 

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They were a really bad team last
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I don't find that argument 
nearly as compelling, but that 

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might just be Devonte Adams bag 
protecting. 

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To be clear, like I am not an 
unbiased source here on that at 

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all, but what I worry about. 
Is these are the snap shares of 

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his games where he scored more 
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percent, 81% twice to 80% to 79%
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You start to get into 75% being 
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baseline. 
Because Amir White's working in 

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a little bit here, Brandon 
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you know? 
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about a guy whose projection 
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And it's a like he got all the 
Green Zone touches for the Las 

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Vegas Raiders last year. 
I it just he feels to me much 

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more fragile in the sense of we 
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was like. 
Whereas the guys who go behind 

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him ETN from Andre, the market 
is making an assumption that 

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those guys are losing quite a 
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Which I mean, I think there's 
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Ezekiel Elliott gets a chance to
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going to be really bad at it. 
And Belcher is going to be like,

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actually, maybe let's not do 
that, which is not to say Kevin 

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Harris or Ty Montgomery or 
someone can't take that. 

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But for ETN specifically, and 
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point, Gretchen Shawn have been 
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He misses the rookie year with 
injury. 

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There's been this presumption by
like film watchers that he can't

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catch passes like he did in 
college. 

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But like guys learn and add 
skills in the NFL and ETN is 

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like not an all time prospect. 
He's not Bijon or Sequan, but 

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he's like 1 tier. 
Below that I don't really see 

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any reason he can't see his goal
line and long down a distance 

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snaps increase like. 
Tang Bigsby is like the most 

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mediocre creative player running
back prospect ever. 

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Like, he is not a special he 
might as well be during his 

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Johnson urge Michael Hasty. 
You know, in the kind. 

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Of like, Yeah. 
Sure, Yeah, He's not. 

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He's not during. 
His Johnson or Michael Hasty, 

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he's he's like one of these 
backup running backs of the 

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little pop. 
That's how he profiles. 

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Or like if he were to take over,
be like a high end or B2. 

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If ETN went down like that, kind
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him. 
What? 

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But I generally agree. 
I mean, ETM was a much better 

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prospect than big speak. 
So just going back to, I don't 

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really have any pushback on. 
Can I sorry on the full case for

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etn no I. 
Was going on Jacob's circle back

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to something, but you can go 
ahead if you've got something. 

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Yeah, just one thing on Jacob's.
So there's a mere white stuff 

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like I was actually. 
I had this argument with some 

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folks the other week where I'm 
like, oh, doesn't like Samir 

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White kind of get a chance now. 
Like even if Jacobs does come 

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back to like carve out a role, 
maybe he can work in sort of on 

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the short yardage, give Jacobs 
more of a break. 

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And I I do like kind of believe 
that, but well. 

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That's a real football guy take,
right, of being like Zamir was 

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here all offseason working his 
ass off and Josh Jacobs was, you

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know, doing whatever. 
Like, why wouldn't we give Zamir

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White some more work? 
Because to reward his effort in 

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the office. 
Yeah, I caught and I sort of see

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that argument. 
But, I mean, so they knew he was

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back this weekend, right? 
And Amir Abdullah and Brandon 

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Bolden rested and Zamir White 
played with the Aidan O'Connell 

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heal and Cole Phillip Dorset 
group. 

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Again, that doesn't mean he's, 
like buried. 

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I get he's a younger player. 
I get why he'd play. 

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But, like, to me, that's not a 
signal. 

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Like, oh, we want Zamir on ice 
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Week one, it's kind of just like
Zamir still needs to prove that 

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he can even be the backup here. 
Like I'm kind of, you know, I 

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don't think Samir White comes 
out of the gate with any kind of

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real role. 
Jacobs got $2,000,000 guarantee 

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added onto his deal. 
McDaniels used him like a 

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workhorse last year. 
Like that's still my base 

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assumption is that he is going 
to be the workhorse again. 

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I get like the upside with 
offense and stuff isn't there. 

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But I don't know like what I'm 
thinking like Jacobs first like 

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T Higgins. 
It's just like I think the 

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ceiling and the base projection 
are like kind of better for 

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Jacobs, to be honest. 
So I don't know, maybe I'm wrong

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there like on a weekly basis or 
something. 

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You can make that argument. 
But I just think the questions 

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are gonna be so good. 
As we as he moves, and this is 

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kind of coming from we brought 
the legendary running back 

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framing and that framing. 
I write that article about 

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running backs in the first two 
rounds because that's where guys

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who have like, OK seasons that 
don't kill you actually do kind 

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of kill you because. 
You know you get passed by 

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receiver points and then those 
teams especially this year have 

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a chance to get really cheap 
running back production. 

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So you kind of lose twice and 
Jacob's in the third round like 

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it didn't really apply to him. 
You know like you can get if he 

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if he scores a little bit less 
than last year like OK he scored

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19 1/2 points per game in PPR 
last year like you you would be 

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fine you know what half PPR or 
PPR with with the kind of you 

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know with 90%. 
Josh Jacobs from last year in 

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the third. 
But the issue is as he if he, 

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you know, if he moves into the 
middle of the second, which I 

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kind of think he will, then 
you're actually looking for more

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of like a legendary ceiling. 
And that's where, you know, I 

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talk about like the quality of 
the offense and you know, Davis 

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is saying, well, it shouldn't be
any worse than last year. 

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Yeah, probably not. 
But it wasn't good enough last 

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year. 
He scored 19 1/2 PPR points per 

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game last year. 
He's he had 3.1 receptions per 

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game. 
If he's gonna add like 3 1/2 PPR

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points per game, where could 
that possibly come from? 

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He's maxed out on the touches. 
He had 80% of the team attempts 

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last year that was RB one that 
was 5% more than Derrick Henry. 

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I think anything from Zamir 
White hurts a lot, you know, so 

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and is that if it's half a? 
Actually, cuz I I kind of think 

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Zamir White is decent. 
Like, I don't think he, I think 

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he's, I think he's the tank bigs
be equivalent, right? 

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So like a backup running back 
with a little bit of pop. 

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So I I agree with that. 
I think Zamir White had 14 

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carries and 0 Targets last year.
Give him 75 carries and 13 

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Targets and that is coming 
directly out of Josh Jacobs's 

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pie in an offense that doesn't 
have that big of a pie to begin 

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with. 
It's like a Walmart store 

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bought, you know, pumpkin pie as
opposed to, like your grandma's.

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You know, delicious homemade 
pumpkin pie. 

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Exactly. 
So I don't know, I just as he 

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moves up, I think you start, you
start to want to look at the 

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ceiling more and it really does 
feel like last year was the 

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ceiling. 
Can he get there again? 

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Like, yeah, I think so. 
I think he could have another 19

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points a game like, you know, 
like he did last year. 

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But I don't think he's a great 
bet for the truly like getting 

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changing, you know, earth 
shattering type of ceiling just 

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doesn't really like. 
There's no clear path to that. 

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And then when you look at the 
opportunity cost or the kind of 

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the better bets later, like ETN 
on the 4th or Josh Jacobs in the

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second, ETN on the 4th all day, 
right, That was easy. 

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Ram Andre in the late 3rd, I 
would rather take him. 

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Obviously I'm Breese in the late
4th or whatever. 

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Damien, Damien Pierce. 
In the sixth round, I'm 

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starting, I'm starting, I'm 
starting to get very, like, 

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click happy, like it's 510 and 
I'm like, why don't I just take 

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Damien Pierce? 
Why don't I just live a little? 

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I'm going to be drafting some 
Damien Pierce later today too, 

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yeah. 
Have you? 

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This is this is a macro. 
JK Dobbins in the 6th. 

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I mean, there's a lot of other 
ways to go. 

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This is a more macro thing but 
about 10 days ago I was starting

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to get very burnt out on 
drafting. 

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I'm wondering your guys thoughts
on this. 

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But like right now I'm like at 
like I'm like on the clock and 

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all these drafts but I'm like 
excited to pick like I'm I'm 

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getting much more. 
The closer we get the more like 

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excited I am to draft. 
I'm wondering your guys burnout 

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levels. 
The slows have been getting me 

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down, but the other day I I 
think it was Marvin Mims or. 

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Someone fun And I was just like 
isn't this supposed to be fun? 

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I'm just taking cuz I'm in more 
of these high stakes slows where

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I'm trying to like really like 
think about my pics and I was 

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like, I'm just taking Mims let's
have fun again, you know, I mean

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I think I'm in like half of 
those bulldog slows with you, 

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Pat. 
We're battling each other in a 

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ton of those. 
Those have been getting me a 

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little bit because people 
completely like wipe out the 

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like. 
The boring players that I hate 

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to draft are always staring at 
me like 30 minutes past 80P. 

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It's like I've taken 2 shares of
Zeke at like 180 in those. 

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So I'm like, you know what? 
Fuck like I have. 

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Pick Yeah, I'm like fuck it. 
Like I have 0 Zeke, like this 

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seems great, but like I'd still 
hate doing it at the same time. 

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But yeah man those those are 
brutal. 

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Anyways, let's let's get on 
schedule here before we do a 

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draft. 
I do think there are some kind 

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of huge wide receiver injuries 
that have happened the past week

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we have not touched on yet. 
Let's do the sort of Dotson and 

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Mclaurin conversation in tandem 
here. 

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Dotson is up 7 spots and let's 
see Mclaurin is down 7. 

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So people are kind of treating 
that equally just to sort of set

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the table on Mclaurin's injury. 
He suffered A turf toe in the 

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last preseason game and the 
general consensus. 

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Is that it's not that serious of
an injury that he is. 

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There's optimism for Week 1. 
So yeah, Curious. 

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Like your thoughts on Mclaurin 
rising. 

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Sorry. 
Falling in. 

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Dawson Rising. 
Davis, how have you been playing

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that situation? 
I've been not taking Mclaurin. 

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I've been taking Tyler Lockett 
and George Pickens ahead of him,

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and I have been taking Dotson. 
I've been chasing. 

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I mean, I'm in these 100. 
I'm literally making my picks 

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right now. 
I'm in these 120 fucking puppy 

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slows. 
And I yeah, I'm chasing, I'm 

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chasing this team. 
I mean, the other thing is 

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reflected by our next riser, Sam
Howell. 

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But I am also realizing that Sam
Howell is, I mean probably he's 

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a bad pick now and where he's 
going, particularly in 

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basketball mania because so many
people got him in Round 18 and 

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got specifically better prices 
on. 

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You know like you could get 
round five by you Ground 8. 

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John Dotson, round 18 Sam 
Howell, but more in the snapshot

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contest. 
I'm more into it. 

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However, I just, I I've been 
listening to all these Sean 

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podcasts and he is so bullish on
Sam Howell. 

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It's been like infecting me that
I'm like, look if I gotta take 

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around 15 Sam Howell and around 
18 Cole Turner to to back this 

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to get this team through like it
is what it is. 

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I just gotta. 
I just gotta click these 

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buttons. 
Dotson. 

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Feels like everything we love 
though. 

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Like it feels like young guy, 
early declare scored a bunch of 

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touchdowns as a rookie. 
We know that touchdowns as a 

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rookie tend to be pretty 
predictive. 

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He's got this big opening with 
Mclaurin. 

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Probably not ready. 
Also turf toe by the way. 

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I did some Googling on this and 
cuz I was like I kinda had some 

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memories of like. 
You know guys I've liked and 

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fantasy have had this injury 
before. 

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Devonta Adams had it. 
He missed eight games. 

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Julio Jones has had. 
It basically was the beginning 

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of the downfall of Julio Jones 
like wide receivers when they 

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get this turf toe injury with 
10. 

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Charles. 
Woods in a couple of years of 

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his career, really. 
I mean, he was playing through 

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it, but he was kind of that like
when he was at the Raiders and 

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then he went to the Packers and 
kind of revived himself. 

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But he'd been dealing with turf 
toe for like years with the 

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Raiders. 
Yeah, I was gonna say Darren 

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McFadden. 
That was the one I remember. 

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Oh my God, I you know how many 
times I drafted Darren McFadden 

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in like the third round of 
drafts only to like get like 

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literally 0 games out of him? 
There was a year he was on the 

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Cowboys and he was like a 
seventh round pick and I was 

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just like this is the greatest 
gift I've ever gotten. 

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And then he obviously 
immediately got injured. 

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But point being. 
We should say there, I think 

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there are grades to turf toe. 
Yeah, this is so, yeah, I would 

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I would like check with the 
medical experts. 

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I don't think like all turf toe.
Is like the same. 

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So this this could end up being 
mild. 

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I don't. 
I don't really know. 

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It could totally end up being 
nothing, really. 

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The only the persuasive argument
to me about continuing to take 

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Mclaurin as he falls is that 
that 4-5 turn area has become so

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hard to click anyone. 
It's kind. 

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Of bad to get the 101 right now 
cuz the 2-3 turn and four five 

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turns suck. 
It's like yes. 

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You you get that you get the 
Jefferson super boost but then 

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you have to reach on guys at the
at the 2 three turn and at the 

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4-5 turn. 
Now at the 6-7 turn though you 

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end up getting some the 6-7 turn
is good and the eight. 

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Have you gotten an 8-9 turn Kyle
pits yet Cuz let me tell you 

444
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,280
that is I've gotten those. 
I've gotten those in a couple of

445
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,360
these puppies. 
People are People are done with 

446
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,600
Kyle Pits people. 
People are acting like Kyle 

447
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,970
pits. 
Has already disappointed them. 

448
00:23:50,050 --> 00:23:51,250
It's it's they. 
Are they? 

449
00:23:51,410 --> 00:23:53,410
Are they're acting like it's 
2024? 

450
00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:57,130
He's already gonna bet 2023. 
They're they're already. 

451
00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,410
They're all like they saw Parker
Hesse in in preseason week two 

452
00:24:00,410 --> 00:24:01,930
and they were like, I can't do 
this shit again. 

453
00:24:01,930 --> 00:24:04,690
Michael Pruitt ran more outs and
them and they're like, it's 

454
00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:08,010
over. 
We do, Sam. 

455
00:24:08,010 --> 00:24:12,650
We see these Howl and Pickett 
arising together and I feel like

456
00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:15,670
that's basically just. 
These guys looked pretty good. 

457
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:18,870
OK, the picket thing was OK. 
The Steelers were playing 

458
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:20,710
against. 
I forget who they played last 

459
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:24,310
week, but it was like the third 
string players on the Seahawks. 

460
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:26,590
I'm forgetting what team they 
played now, whatever team they 

461
00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:28,190
played, they're playing like the
third stringers. 

462
00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:31,190
And the Steelers just lit, lit 
him up. 

463
00:24:31,230 --> 00:24:32,470
Yeah, but it's like guys, it 
was. 

464
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:34,070
Fun. 
It was fun to watch. 

465
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:35,750
Like, Naji even kind of looked 
good. 

466
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:36,950
Jalen Warren looked like he was 
shot. 

467
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:38,630
There's a. 
Red flag OK, you're touting 

468
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:41,190
picket over this. 
Naji looked good, so be careful.

469
00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:45,180
Be careful on this preseason 
game that I think was in prime 

470
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:46,820
time. 
Whatever like the first 

471
00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:49,540
preseason game is of the week 
that people actually like watch 

472
00:24:49,540 --> 00:24:51,460
before they realize they hate 
preseason football. 

473
00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:53,980
They see a couple highlights and
they're like, ooh, can they pick

474
00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:57,380
it look really good against the 
fourth string cornerbacks on on 

475
00:24:57,380 --> 00:24:58,580
the Seahawks. 
We gotta draft him. 

476
00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:00,980
So I don't know man. 
I'm not saying pick it was a bad

477
00:25:00,980 --> 00:25:03,180
pick. 
So like this one's like. 

478
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:04,060
Pick. 
It's fine. 

479
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,800
I'm buying both of these rises. 
I just want it on the record. 

480
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,880
I'm gonna slap you buying both 
of these rises. 

481
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,040
Let's. 
Talk howl, because this is a 

482
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,080
mistake. 
The way to play howl is go get 

483
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,760
them in some main events. 
Yes, get them in your main event

484
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,520
portfolio. 
You get them in high stakes. 

485
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,960
Manage leagues. 
That's how to play howl, because

486
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,730
you're actually. 
Gonna be able to like start him 

487
00:25:27,730 --> 00:25:30,650
early and then if he ends up 
getting benched, like, So what? 

488
00:25:30,970 --> 00:25:33,050
You can move on. 
Like it's so easy to find 

489
00:25:33,050 --> 00:25:34,610
quarterback points later in the 
main event. 

490
00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:36,770
It doesn't hurt you at all. 
He's so cheap, there's no 

491
00:25:36,770 --> 00:25:40,810
opportunity cost really. 
And if he's awesome, you got him

492
00:25:40,810 --> 00:25:43,290
on some high stakes teams so 
you're gonna be happy. 

493
00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:47,690
But mixing him into my best bowl
portfolio as he's rising as his 

494
00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:49,650
number one receiver is dealing 
with turf toe. 

495
00:25:50,130 --> 00:25:51,290
That seems bad. 
I don't. 

496
00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:54,690
Well, it makes it it actually, 
so weirdly, it makes it easier 

497
00:25:54,690 --> 00:25:56,810
to get him right. 
Because if you catch like a 

498
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:59,930
sixth round Mclaurin, you know, 
and you're like, oh, I didn't 

499
00:25:59,930 --> 00:26:01,890
take any of the top 8 
quarterbacks. 

500
00:26:01,890 --> 00:26:03,890
I don't have a Cowboy to take 
Dak. 

501
00:26:04,050 --> 00:26:06,570
I don't have a Seahawk to take 
Gino. 

502
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:08,690
It it's actually pretty easy to 
do. 

503
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:14,210
The guy that I feel if we're 
taking a quarterback a little 

504
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:16,170
bit, you know if we're going to 
be happier to take a 

505
00:26:16,170 --> 00:26:20,000
quarterback. 
That doesn't have full job 

506
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,280
security. 
I actually feel a little bit 

507
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,320
better about Ritter with Trey 
Lance going to Dallas. 

508
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,880
I think that's like sneak, that 
was like one of the, it was I 

509
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,200
think pretty low odds. 
But that was one of the ways 

510
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,080
this gets screwed up. 
And now that's resolved. 

511
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,000
So. 
When Carson Wentz is when Carson

512
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,640
Wentz is putting on The Dirty 
bird in Week 7. 

513
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,200
No. 
Yeah, you're right. 

514
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,390
You're right, boy. 
I so I don't have anything 

515
00:26:45,390 --> 00:26:47,750
interesting to say about Waller.
I feel like we've already talked

516
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:50,550
about him a ton. 
I did just want to mention this 

517
00:26:50,550 --> 00:26:55,110
on Juwan Johnson as a big riser.
Jimmy Graham's playing more than

518
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:57,950
anyone wants them to. 
I just I just officially want 

519
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:59,590
this. 
On the record Jimmy Graham 

520
00:26:59,590 --> 00:27:03,630
scored a vintage vintage Jimmy 
Graham touchdown in the 

521
00:27:03,630 --> 00:27:07,230
preseason last night and Dennis 
Allen was like jazzed up about 

522
00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:09,830
we we we're doing we're doing a 
press conference. 

523
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:12,010
Pat here. 
He was like, he was like, oh, 

524
00:27:12,010 --> 00:27:14,250
that was really good to see. 
It was really good. 

525
00:27:14,250 --> 00:27:16,330
It was really cool to see him 
out there running routes. 

526
00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:18,130
Like, it looks like he's still 
got it, you know. 

527
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:21,970
Yeah, OK. 
The Jawan Johnson thing, I was 

528
00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:23,890
going to truth him a little bit 
today too. 

529
00:27:23,890 --> 00:27:26,770
Like, I get it. 
He's he's a fun player. 

530
00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:31,970
But like, OK, last year he was 
21st in routes run at tight end.

531
00:27:32,170 --> 00:27:35,330
But that that's fine. 
Whatever you can still, you 

532
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:38,210
know, justify taking the tight 
end 18 at you know who's 

533
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:39,410
running. 
He's a bit of 18th, right? 

534
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:42,060
Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah. 

535
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:43,460
Well. 
He's the wide receiver at 

536
00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:44,940
Oregon. 
Yeah, he's converted wide 

537
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:45,820
receiver. 
I get it. 

538
00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:48,540
But like, if we're gonna nitpick
all these guys like routes, like

539
00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:51,060
we nitpick the shit out of 
Kincaid's routes, we nitpick 

540
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:53,500
Dolsage's routes, man, they 
added. 

541
00:27:53,580 --> 00:27:56,020
Thinking with Kincaid, it's like
a 10 drop pick. 

542
00:27:56,300 --> 00:28:00,780
Yeah, yeah, Okay, whatever. 
I mean, Foster Moreau and Jimmy 

543
00:28:00,780 --> 00:28:03,700
Graham are gonna play a lot of 
these, like, blocking play 

544
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:05,980
action snaps, I think. 
I mean, they basically replaced 

545
00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:08,560
Adam Troutman with Foster Moreau
and Jimmy Graham. 

546
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,440
You can say that doesn't matter 
at all. 

547
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,000
I think you're just chasing, 
like, touchdowns with Joan 

548
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,840
Johnson, which is fine. 
But like, I had a. 

549
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,200
Lot of them last year, which is 
like kind of why you care about 

550
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
him. 
Like if you if you're like what?

551
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,000
Why is Joan Johnson a guy I know
Again, it's cuz he scored a 

552
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,600
bunch of touchdowns last year. 
That's why. 

553
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,200
That's why he's on the radar. 
He did have like a really like 

554
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,440
their car was talking him up is 
you know this. 

555
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,360
Yeah, he's got a lot of hype, 
connection and. 

556
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Yeah, yeah, So that's good. 
But then the route stuff is bad.

557
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,480
So if he's rising, it's probably
not the right time to take him. 

558
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,520
Yeah, I just still like Musgrave
over him. 

559
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,440
He's also rising a crazy amount.
But like, the role feels better 

560
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,800
with Musgrave. 
Maybe I'm like over. 

561
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,760
Musgrave is gonna like run the 
third most routes at tight end 

562
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,600
of any tight end in the NFL. 
Like he's gonna, he's gonna have

563
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,480
run like an A and dummy number 
of routes when it's all said and

564
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,280
done. 
Yeah, I guess I could see that. 

565
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,240
I don't think that's the most 
likely thing to happen, but just

566
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,520
cuz. 
Because this is a true, this is 

567
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,920
a true. 
What are you gonna do to take 

568
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,320
this away from me, from the 
coaching staff? 

569
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,920
Because the other tight end 
options are guys they hate. 

570
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,480
And just side to Guerra, who has
never been a functional part, 

571
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,320
those. 
Are under blocks. 

572
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,160
Is what it is. 
The blocking tight end got hurt,

573
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,560
Tyler Davis got hurt, and then 
the other rookie, Tucker Craft 

574
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,920
has been way behind Musgrave in 
developmental. 

575
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,200
And then you might be like, Oh 
well, they'll just go really 

576
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,800
heavy with the wide receiver 
personnel. 

577
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,440
Will they though? 
Because they don't have anyone 

578
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,560
older than 23 in their wide 
receiver room. 

579
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,150
Like like the. 
It might just fail because Luke 

580
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:45,990
Musgrave is not good and never 
top like 317 yards at Oregon 

581
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:47,670
State. 
Like that's totally a 

582
00:29:47,670 --> 00:29:50,790
possibility that I'm open to. 
But it's not going to. 

583
00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:54,630
It's not going to fail because 
they just decide they hate a mid

584
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:58,270
season, I don't think. 
I think it could with the run 

585
00:29:58,270 --> 00:30:01,790
blocking stuff like if the and. 
I don't know, maybe this isn't 

586
00:30:01,790 --> 00:30:04,630
that big of a concern because I 
don't know much about the bars 

587
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:08,190
run blocking ability, but if 
like they're A-Team, I think 

588
00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:10,510
that's going to want to be able 
to run the ball a lot. 

589
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:15,010
And if Musgrave is not doing 
that for them, like if he loses 

590
00:30:15,010 --> 00:30:17,610
11 personnel snaps at all, cuz 
they can't run the ball out of 

591
00:30:17,610 --> 00:30:19,290
11, that would really, really 
hurt. 

592
00:30:19,290 --> 00:30:21,130
But I don't know. 
I mean, that's at this point I'm

593
00:30:21,130 --> 00:30:23,970
only mentioning stuff like that 
because he is such a riser. 

594
00:30:24,410 --> 00:30:27,410
As you know, he was an awesome 
late round pick. 

595
00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:30,840
Clearly, yeah. 
Let's sit on Judy and GSM 

596
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,680
quickly. 
Judy is a pretty dramatic 

597
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,280
faller. 
His injury timeline is a little 

598
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,560
scary. 
Some Twitter doctors are saying,

599
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,480
you know, he could be fine week 
two, week 3. 

600
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,080
Some are estimating more like 
week six. 

601
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,840
I think the official like 
reporting and team optimism has 

602
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,680
been on the more optimistic side
of that timeline, which it 

603
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,360
usually is. 
I'm a little spooked with with 

604
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,040
Judy. 
I think he is right to fall this

605
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,600
much. 
He wasn't a guy I was high on. 

606
00:30:56,050 --> 00:30:57,890
Earlier I think. 
I think you just hit on it. 

607
00:30:57,930 --> 00:31:00,170
It's that people weren't that 
excited to take him where he was

608
00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:00,810
going anyway. 
I. 

609
00:31:00,970 --> 00:31:03,450
Think he made any sense? 
Remember when we said the 3-4 

610
00:31:03,450 --> 00:31:05,370
turn? 
I was like, what is happening? 

611
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:09,410
It just didn't make sense to me.
But like people I really respect

612
00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:13,570
were on him there. 
And so I was just like okay, 

613
00:31:14,170 --> 00:31:17,450
like I guess we're doing this, 
but then I'd mix him in some. 

614
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:20,490
But like when a guy like that 
then suffers an injury, it's 

615
00:31:20,490 --> 00:31:23,470
like hard for me. 
To go Harmon. 

616
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:26,150
Harmon really. 
Harmon really shit on him from 

617
00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:28,390
like a film perspective, was 
like, this is the most 

618
00:31:28,390 --> 00:31:31,790
aggressively mediocre route 
runner I've ever seen who people

619
00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:36,710
say is like the best. 
Yeah, the Harmon stuff versus 

620
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:38,950
open score stuff. 
There isn't like a player where 

621
00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:40,510
it's more different than Jerry 
Judy. 

622
00:31:40,510 --> 00:31:44,910
So to give Judy like a little 
bit of credit, like obviously 

623
00:31:44,910 --> 00:31:47,590
love Harmon, love his stuff, but
like, there is some film 

624
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:50,830
charting, esque stuff that likes
him I guess. 

625
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:52,620
But yeah, I was skeptical. 
Yeah, the. 

626
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:54,980
Player Jackie, he was wider. 
Super 10, I think the Yeah 

627
00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:56,620
player, Jackie's quite good on 
the player. 

628
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:58,420
Yeah, probably quicker than 
that. 

629
00:31:58,420 --> 00:32:01,740
But couple couple questions. 
I think our listeners will 

630
00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:04,300
probably have this while they're
on the clock the next couple 

631
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:06,700
days. 
Would you guys take Jerry, Judy 

632
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:11,180
or Tyler Lock it. 
Lock it every time it What about

633
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:16,020
Mike Evans or Jerry Judy? 
John Dotson. 

634
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,740
I'm going. 
I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling 

635
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:21,300
down. 
I'm scrolling down three more. 

636
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:28,780
Yeah, that's, that's correct. 
I'm taking Judy to answer the 

637
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:29,700
question. 
I'll take Judy, I'll. 

638
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:32,540
Probably take Judy there, but 
that's about the line for me. 

639
00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:38,580
I think like pick 65 ish for for
Judy is about like maybe, maybe 

640
00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:41,660
that's playing too scared. 
But I think I like Pickens over 

641
00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:42,380
him. 
I like Locket. 

642
00:32:42,380 --> 00:32:44,540
I like Kirk. 
I probably like him better than 

643
00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:49,260
Mike Evans, Gabe Davis. 
So the the something that's 

644
00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:54,180
interesting though is that as it
pertains to basketball mania 

645
00:32:54,180 --> 00:32:59,380
specifically and not these time 
box contest is that if Judy is 

646
00:32:59,380 --> 00:33:03,260
back, even if he's back in week 
three or something like that, 

647
00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:07,180
like you just you've got like a 
really unique combo with Judy at

648
00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:10,740
this stage, right, because there
were 70% of the contest was 

649
00:33:10,740 --> 00:33:13,180
drafted with him in the third 
round more or less, you know 

650
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:16,930
third or fourth round so. 
You getting, you getting him at 

651
00:33:16,930 --> 00:33:22,410
55 or at 60, you have like you 
have a very not only, not only 

652
00:33:22,610 --> 00:33:25,250
like, it's just very unique 
those that grouping of players 

653
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:28,410
is going to be harder to advance
because they're just not going 

654
00:33:28,410 --> 00:33:30,210
to exist that many combinations 
of it. 

655
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:35,370
Yeah, I I have him one spot 
ahead of Evans in my rankings. 

656
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:39,010
Behind Datsun, but ahead or also
behind Gabe Davis would be 

657
00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:42,090
another guy. 
Yeah, I think that's. 

658
00:33:42,170 --> 00:33:46,350
I think that's fair for him. 
It's just like I do get the game

659
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:50,630
theory side of things, but 
sometimes I think we overthink 

660
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:53,470
these injuries and not reacting 
enough. 

661
00:33:53,910 --> 00:33:56,950
The markets clearly react to 
these like Mclaurin, Judy, JSN 

662
00:33:56,950 --> 00:34:00,030
are all down. 
So I'm definitely giving the 

663
00:34:00,030 --> 00:34:03,070
market some credit here, but. 
JSN tilted. 

664
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:07,390
I've never seen a guy more 
tilted than Sam was about Jsn's 

665
00:34:07,390 --> 00:34:10,850
lack of a fall. 
About 3 minutes after his injury

666
00:34:10,889 --> 00:34:12,090
was reported. 
Yeah, his baby. 

667
00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:15,489
If he hadn't moved, he's. 
Not respecting this in a second,

668
00:34:15,489 --> 00:34:19,170
dude. 
And that didn't get it was a I. 

669
00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:21,050
Gotta be. 
I gotta keep it. 

670
00:34:21,210 --> 00:34:23,210
Injury and he still had to move 
an ADP. 

671
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:25,610
I didn't understand I. 
Gotta keep it 100 with everyone.

672
00:34:25,610 --> 00:34:28,330
I'm drafting the shit out of 
injured JSN. 

673
00:34:28,449 --> 00:34:31,730
Mostly because I'm drafting. 
Mostly because I'm drafting in 

674
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:34,650
these puppies where it's like I 
just want to have a sick team in

675
00:34:34,650 --> 00:34:38,449
the final, like if I lose $750 
in the Puppy 3. 

676
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,920
You know it is what it is, but, 
and these are mostly of what I'm

677
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,960
drafting right now, I'm almost 
done on DraftKings and on BBM, 

678
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,280
though I found it very hard to 
say no to round 8JS N on 

679
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,120
DraftKings. 
The thing is, is you can now 

680
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,960
take him as your third wide 
receiver. 

681
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,080
The way I draft, probably 4th 
wide receiver for for a piss 

682
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,200
boy, maybe even a fifth wide 
receiver at that spot. 

683
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:12,630
But you can also do. 2592 builds
or or 33592 in which JSN's 

684
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:14,830
points like, yeah you're getting
zeros for a month. 

685
00:35:14,830 --> 00:35:19,470
Like I'm basically counting him 
out until week 6 but his like I 

686
00:35:19,470 --> 00:35:21,270
think he is. 
I think JSN is going to be your 

687
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:25,990
classic low advance rate, high 
win rate guy in the playoffs 

688
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:29,470
basically. 
I mean the chat is saying, like,

689
00:35:30,330 --> 00:35:32,210
you know, he's always been a 
long play. 

690
00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:37,170
Jsn is what he is like I I get 
what the chat is saying here, 

691
00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:39,250
yeah? 
But we just, we just spent, we 

692
00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:41,850
just spent two months drafting 
him in the fifth round though 

693
00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:43,730
like it's there's no way to 
paint it as good. 

694
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:45,930
It's it's bad. 
Yeah, like you're in front of. 

695
00:35:45,930 --> 00:35:48,610
JSN exposure, don't we? 
So, like, in some ways I'm like,

696
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:50,970
all right, I guess I'm. 
I don't think I'm hammering. 

697
00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:53,770
I'm not going to hammer him now.
I think, yeah, I was. 

698
00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:58,250
I was below 8% on him before and
now I will be I will be way 

699
00:35:58,250 --> 00:36:01,340
above. 
I am taking some cuz I was 

700
00:36:01,460 --> 00:36:04,700
fading him before. 
I'm the best ball like bro 

701
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:09,420
stereotype that Pete had in this
video where I was fading jsn on 

702
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:12,020
underdog and taking him on 
DraftKings cuz the price was so 

703
00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:16,820
different so I was like I at 1. 
Point had 50% JSN on DraftKings.

704
00:36:17,340 --> 00:36:19,860
Yeah, I just took him every time
in the sixth round. 

705
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,380
But like, OK, I'm just tilting 
the chat again. 

706
00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:26,620
I've been tilting JSN all week. 
You can't just say like he was a

707
00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:29,060
playoff play. 
Like it doesn't matter that he's

708
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:32,230
maybe injured for the first six 
weeks, like this is your second.

709
00:36:32,350 --> 00:36:34,710
If the price is different. 
Well, it matters. 

710
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:36,510
It matters to his develop the 
thing. 

711
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:39,630
I mean to go real Football guy, 
it matters to his development, 

712
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:41,190
right? 
And it's going to matter. 

713
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:44,150
It's going to matter to how the 
Seahawks want to deploy him as 

714
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:47,470
well. 
Like those, those tilting penny 

715
00:36:47,470 --> 00:36:50,750
heart snaps are going to be 
happening in Week 7, not in week

716
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:55,350
one now. 
And you're like he he might not 

717
00:36:55,350 --> 00:37:00,000
start running enough routes. 
To be like a managed league play

718
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,880
until like Week 10, that it's 
it's very bad. 

719
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Like I mean I really don't want 
to invoke this name because I'm 

720
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,400
like all the way out on him. 
But they like you could see some

721
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,240
Jameson Williams type vibes here
where it's like where it's like 

722
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:15,840
the rookie year just never 
really gets going. 

723
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,920
Come on, like we did this a 
little bit with Eric's last year

724
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,000
and like, way too. 
Big a Jason back for you to 

725
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,300
start. 
Confident to Williams, yeah, 

726
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:26,420
that's that's a bridge too far. 
But I don't think, like, the 

727
00:37:26,420 --> 00:37:29,820
Burke's stuff is like that. 
Different, like obviously 

728
00:37:29,820 --> 00:37:31,620
different situations. 
Burke's was just like out of 

729
00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:34,500
shape dealing with asthma last 
year and there was like wide, 

730
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:36,860
wide reporting. 
He's gonna, like, start slow. 

731
00:37:36,860 --> 00:37:39,100
He's not starting different 
situations. 

732
00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:41,100
I get it. 
And that's kind of what happened

733
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,500
with Burke's, like, by the time 
his season ramped up and he 

734
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:45,580
started to be useful, it was 
very late in the year. 

735
00:37:45,580 --> 00:37:47,820
He hadn't been useful for a long
stretch of the season. 

736
00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:50,620
And then he, you know, gets 
unlucky and gets a concussion 

737
00:37:50,620 --> 00:37:53,420
and never really materializes. 
But man, like, I don't think 

738
00:37:53,420 --> 00:37:56,420
people are realizing the NFL 
season is 16 weeks. 

739
00:37:56,460 --> 00:38:00,060
And if a guy has a legitimate 
chance to miss six weeks like, 

740
00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:02,700
you can't just say he was a 
playoff play like. 

741
00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:09,380
Well, the the thing that tilts 
it is that their bye week is so 

742
00:38:09,380 --> 00:38:13,380
early that maybe even if he was 
ready to play in week three, I 

743
00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:14,660
think they're gonna hold him 
out. 

744
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:17,970
I would if I was a betting man, 
I'd say it's -110. 

745
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:20,570
He does not appear in a Seahawks
game until after their bye week,

746
00:38:20,570 --> 00:38:22,290
probably, which. 
Is their bye week? 

747
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:24,290
Is what, Week 5? 
Week 5, Yeah. 

748
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:26,570
Yeah. 
So he's gonna miss four weeks of

749
00:38:26,570 --> 00:38:29,170
the season? 
Almost assuredly, yeah. 

750
00:38:29,170 --> 00:38:31,810
But for your lineup, for your 
lineup, he's probably gonna miss

751
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:34,850
six or seven. 
Yeah, but everyone misses their 

752
00:38:34,850 --> 00:38:38,650
bye week. 
Well, yeah. 

753
00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:41,530
I mean, well, you're saying he's
gonna start start slow. 

754
00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:42,610
It doesn't. 
Matter it does. 

755
00:38:45,010 --> 00:38:43,490
It could now maybe. 
It truly doesn't matter. 

756
00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:47,490
It's like the it's I. 
Maybe I'm wrong, right? 

757
00:38:47,570 --> 00:38:50,170
So. 
So I painted the pessimistic 

758
00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:51,930
picture. 
Let me paint the optimistic one 

759
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:54,770
that the beginning of the season
they were gonna play. 

760
00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:58,490
I don't even look D Eskridge or 
Freddie Swain or who I don't. 

761
00:38:58,490 --> 00:39:00,890
I literally don't even know who 
the Seahawks 4th wide receiver 

762
00:39:00,890 --> 00:39:03,490
is because it's so immaterial. 
But they were gonna play that 

763
00:39:03,490 --> 00:39:05,570
guy. 
They were gonna play that guy 

764
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:09,210
instead of JSN anyway, right? 
And that was, that was their 

765
00:39:09,210 --> 00:39:10,810
plan. 
Just like they're going to for 

766
00:39:10,810 --> 00:39:12,810
the first month of the season, 
they're stubbornly going to play

767
00:39:12,810 --> 00:39:15,970
DJ Dallas on 3rd downs, even 
though Charbonne is probably 

768
00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:20,210
better at him than it anyway. 
So maybe he he he gets a lot of 

769
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:22,930
film time. 
You know, it's it's a it's an 

770
00:39:22,930 --> 00:39:24,810
upper body injury, not a lower 
body injury. 

771
00:39:24,810 --> 00:39:27,690
So there's no concern about 
conditioning. 

772
00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:30,370
He's going to be able to run. 
He's going to, yeah, he's going 

773
00:39:30,370 --> 00:39:32,170
to be able to do all that stuff.
He's going to be able to be on 

774
00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:35,730
the sideline at the games. 
Like maybe these would have been

775
00:39:35,730 --> 00:39:39,290
low production weeks anyway. 
While he learned and figured it 

776
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:42,810
out and he actually hits the 
ground running, they don't do 

777
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:44,490
the Ola BC Johnson thing for 
him. 

778
00:39:44,490 --> 00:39:47,050
And in week six he comes out 
first. 

779
00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:49,170
Snap 11 personnel and he's out 
there. 

780
00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:52,090
It's totally possible. 
There's nothing guaranteed about

781
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,370
that, but I think that's more 
likely. 

782
00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:56,410
I mean, everything we heard 
about him out of camp was like, 

783
00:39:57,010 --> 00:39:58,210
total professional. 
This guy's ready. 

784
00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:00,690
He's, you know, it's just about 
him learning like. 

785
00:40:01,550 --> 00:40:05,390
Like fine tuning playbook stuff.
Like there's no becoming an NFL 

786
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:06,950
wide receiver. 
This guy is an NFL wide 

787
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:08,990
receiver. 
And they targeted him a ton. 

788
00:40:09,150 --> 00:40:12,390
And his limited, his targets per
route run and his limited 

789
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:15,230
preseason time was really good. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

790
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:18,750
So you need a discount. 
You need a discount. 

791
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:22,390
He's gonna miss probably four 
games of the season, which is a 

792
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:24,270
lot. 
So you can't just sit there and 

793
00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:27,390
take him in the 5th where you 
were taking him, but you're 

794
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:30,790
getting a discount. 
So I think I'm actually kind of 

795
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:33,830
talking myself back into taking 
some of getting some different 

796
00:40:33,830 --> 00:40:36,350
team textures with him than I 
had before. 

797
00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:40,830
This feels about right. 73. 
Yeah, Feels about right. 

798
00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:42,110
It feels. 
About right. 

799
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:46,150
I guess I'm still just like 
Jordan, Addison, Zay Flowers and

800
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:48,470
Quinton Johnson all go after 
him. 

801
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:52,430
And particularly with Addison, I
think you have to be so 

802
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:57,260
confident in your ability. 
To predict prospects to say that

803
00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:00,500
Jordan Addison who went what, 2 
picks later in the NFL draft? 

804
00:41:00,860 --> 00:41:04,500
Well I think he's in a much 
better situation to get routes 

805
00:41:04,540 --> 00:41:08,020
on his team who when you look at
their prospect profiles I get 

806
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:12,220
Jsn's ceiling is higher that 
sophomore year but there's red 

807
00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:14,900
flags in Jsn's prospect profile.
It's not something like Jamar 

808
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:17,380
Chase like spots I. 
Didn't even really like him that

809
00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:20,820
much as a prospect compared to. 
And then I started listening to 

810
00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:23,700
Shawn, and I just lost all 
objectivity. 

811
00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:29,430
But I I did not giga love him as
a prospect, yeah. 

812
00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:32,150
Again, I'm not saying he's a bad
obviously. 

813
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:33,310
I'm not saying he's a bad 
prospect. 

814
00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:37,590
It's just like Addison and 
Flowers to me who are not, don't

815
00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:40,710
have broken wrists and are not 
going to miss like probably 5 

816
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:44,150
weeks to start the year. 
Like, why should we be taking 

817
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:46,310
JSN over those guys again? 
Like, I guess I just don't. 

818
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:51,430
I don't get why Addison ahead of
JSN now, but I think what the 

819
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:55,280
reason would be that you can 
poke holes in Jason's profile, 

820
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,920
but I don't think you can really
poke holes in his ceiling. 

821
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,760
That he was insanely efficient 
as a super young player playing 

822
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,720
alongside Garrett Wilson and 
Crystal Lave. 

823
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,480
We used to put a feather in his 
cap that Jamison Williams had to

824
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,920
transfer because he couldn't get
playing time over him. 

825
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,320
That might not matter. 
Maybe, maybe, maybe doesn't. 

826
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,160
Maybe, maybe he transferred to 
these. 

827
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Well, maybe. 
I think actually just while 

828
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,400
we're here on Jamison Williams, 
who is a huge baller. 

829
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,360
I actually don't think the issue
with Jameson Williams seems to 

830
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,320
be his ability to play football,
but all the reporting just kind 

831
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,360
of makes him sound like a jerk. 
It just it seems like it's maybe

832
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,520
a personality thing that he just
is not super driven, not a super

833
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,560
team, sport oriented guy and 
that feels like maybe a bigger 

834
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,680
deal than his ability to play 
football. 

835
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,200
Yeah, we we talked about how we 
need analytics for, for the 

836
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,600
personalities. 
We'll be working on that, yeah, 

837
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,600
but. 
But the thing with JSN why I 

838
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,640
wouldn't be taking him 
personally over Flowers is like,

839
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,440
is the ceiling of what this 
profile, you know, could be 

840
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,320
like. 
JSNI Think does have the 

841
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,680
prospect profile of someone who 
could absolutely smash as a 

842
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,920
rookie, and how likely is that 
to happen? 

843
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,320
Far less likely than Jamar Chase
was likely to turn into Jamar 

844
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Chase because there's a lot more
like you got to do more 

845
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,820
squinting for it to to come to 
fruition. 

846
00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:21,900
But he liked the yards per 
outrun you know being able to to

847
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:24,700
be competitive in terms of the 
the dominator rating the market 

848
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:30,140
share yards as what a true 
sophomore with those older guys 

849
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:36,060
there with him is really 
encouraging for when you look at

850
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:40,300
ceiling type of outcomes. 
So I do think like compared to 

851
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,900
Zay Flowers his his potential 
ceiling is quite a bit higher. 

852
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:46,700
Yeah. 
I mean that that's fair. 

853
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:50,940
I just feel like it's like the 
NFL season is so short, you're 

854
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:55,420
losing off a third of the games 
and like JSN might be way better

855
00:43:55,420 --> 00:43:58,380
than Zay Flowers, but like now 
we're talking about just like a 

856
00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:00,820
10 game stretch where they're 
both healthy. 

857
00:44:00,820 --> 00:44:04,060
Like that's such a small sample.
Like I kind of just and I can 

858
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:06,740
squint and see an upside case 
with Zay Flowers, can dust for 

859
00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:09,780
Sean Bateman and Odell and be 
the Ravens clear number one wide

860
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:11,020
receiver. 
Like I think that's firmly in 

861
00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:13,000
the range of outcomes. 
I think even then he's the 

862
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,280
number two behind Andrews, you 
know, and also I think that's 

863
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,800
pretty unlikely that's yeah, 
that's sort of you with. 

864
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I see what you're saying. 

865
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,640
Like if I was playing Dynasty, I
would take JSN over those guys 

866
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,840
for sure. 
But like, I just think it's a 

867
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,360
little bit of Dynasty brain. 
That said, he probably does fall

868
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,520
behind those guys with, I only 
think Dynasty Brain for me to be

869
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,080
honest. 
I think it's Week 17 Brain. 

870
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,380
It's who's gonna absolutely 
crush for me like is is that 

871
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:38,900
changed is the is there any 
downside with this wrist injury 

872
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:40,980
for his playoffs Like no. 
Like he's not. 

873
00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:45,020
It's not lower body like it's a,
you know he'll be totally 

874
00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:48,460
healthy by then. 
So it's more just like who's got

875
00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:50,900
the highest ceiling for the 
final weeks of the season. 

876
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:55,500
To me it's still clearly JSN 
over Flowers and Quinton 

877
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,900
Johnston By the way who we 
should probably touch on. 

878
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,820
Like, doesn't mean people were 
psyched about his, his 

879
00:45:00,820 --> 00:45:02,580
highlights and stuff from the 
preseason, but he was. 

880
00:45:03,310 --> 00:45:05,510
It's not clear he's had a Palmer
right now, which again isn't 

881
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:07,710
like a huge concern. 
But when you start to think 

882
00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:10,910
about like JSN, going in the 
Quinton Johnston range, like 

883
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:13,030
Quinton Johnson might have a 
pretty slow start to the season.

884
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:18,910
Yeah. 
I think that's gonna happen that

885
00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:21,230
Josh Palmer's gonna play over 
him in week one. 

886
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:25,150
I feel pretty strong about that,
which no reason to panic, but 

887
00:45:25,550 --> 00:45:26,750
yeah. 
Yeah. 

888
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:29,190
All right. 
Well. 

889
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:32,060
It sounds like we disagree a 
little bit on JSM, but again, I 

890
00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:33,780
don't think we're actually that 
far off. 

891
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:36,340
If we were like ranking them, 
it's probably just like I have a

892
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:38,820
couple players over JSM and it 
sounds like, Pat, you have 

893
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:41,260
Addison just ahead. 
I have Addison ahead, yeah. 

894
00:45:41,380 --> 00:45:45,140
So that's probably I would maybe
put Flowers ahead. 

895
00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:48,780
I don't even think I put Johnson
ahead because I think he has 

896
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:52,020
playing time risks too. 
It's just so I think we disagree

897
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:54,780
on the margins, but I think this
is largely an appropriate. 

898
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,000
A market reaction to Jsn's 
injury? 

899
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,640
I'm like 2 picks behind ADP 
right now. 

900
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,000
Or like a pick and a half behind
ADP. 

901
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,360
Yeah. 
I think you could nitpick in 

902
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,800
that range, but I think this is 
if you wanna get some exposure 

903
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,520
here. 
I'm not saying this is a 

904
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,120
terrible idea to buy the dip 
here, just to be clear, I'm just

905
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,720
probably nitpicking a couple 
players that go behind him. 

906
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,880
Okay. 
Should we do a draft unless 

907
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,070
there's anything? 
I just think, I think the Kyler 

908
00:46:18,070 --> 00:46:21,190
Murray randomly falling here at 
the end is just really funny 

909
00:46:21,350 --> 00:46:24,230
that like that. 
Like now like, yeah, we just 

910
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:26,910
have decided in the last two 
weeks of drafting that we don't 

911
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:28,670
want the guy who might not play 
it all this year. 

912
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:30,070
Like it's. 
I don't know, it's just kind of 

913
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:32,390
funny, I think. 
It's the Josh isn't the Josh 

914
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:34,990
Dobbs trade that spooked people.
It could be, yeah. 

915
00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:38,030
I mean it really, I I actually 
think what it is, it's that the 

916
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:41,550
market was pricing in a little 
bit of, oh shit, Kyler is back 

917
00:46:41,550 --> 00:46:44,070
on the practice field 10 days 
before the season and then it 

918
00:46:44,070 --> 00:46:46,930
just never came. 
Although to be fair, he could be

919
00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:49,130
practicing with the Cardinals 
and we would have no idea cuz 

920
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:50,650
they have the worst beat writers
in the game. 

921
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:55,370
They have beat writers like, Hey
Athletic, take someone to cover 

922
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:57,210
the Cardinals. 
Why is that not happening? 

923
00:46:58,250 --> 00:47:00,330
They're an NFL franchise. 
Why don't we have beat writers 

924
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:03,130
for them? 
For the Cardinals? 

925
00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:07,850
Yeah. 
All right, let's open a draft 

926
00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:10,290
here. 
We did have this, which will 

927
00:47:10,290 --> 00:47:13,130
very quickly show we can maybe 
touch on this during the draft. 

928
00:47:13,650 --> 00:47:15,970
I think there's some RB2 stuff 
we can talk about, but we'll 

929
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:17,410
probably hit on it I. 
Think I. 

930
00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:19,290
Think Justice Hill is the Ravens
running back, too. 

931
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:20,570
Just while we're Just while 
we're here. 

932
00:47:20,570 --> 00:47:23,290
While we're I have so much Gus 
Edwards from early and I I was 

933
00:47:23,290 --> 00:47:25,250
like, well, what's wrong about 
that? 

934
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:28,530
I don't think, Pat, are you 
manning the ones in the twos 

935
00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:29,650
here? 
Yeah, I'll get this. 

936
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:34,570
OK, got it. 
Yeah, Edward's off completely. 

937
00:47:34,610 --> 00:47:37,810
He's packing to be able to share
his screen with us in his in his

938
00:47:37,810 --> 00:47:40,490
hotel room. 
I believe so. 

939
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:46,510
OK. 
I don't wanna, I don't wanna. 

940
00:47:46,510 --> 00:47:48,910
You know, I don't wanna tax. 
I don't wanna tax your. 

941
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:52,110
Are you are you in a hotel in 
San Diego right now? 

942
00:47:53,110 --> 00:47:57,790
No, I'm in. 
Hang on, I'm trying to use a. 

943
00:47:57,790 --> 00:47:59,710
Nondisclosed location and 
reopen. 

944
00:48:00,550 --> 00:48:01,390
All right. 
I gotta. 

945
00:48:02,350 --> 00:48:05,470
I'll be back. 
All right, class, we can talk 

946
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:11,300
some of these things quickly. 
The one that I think is really 

947
00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:14,220
under the radar is Matt Breda on
the Giants. 

948
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:16,100
Like, we're just bored of him, 
right? 

949
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,220
But he's clearly, yeah, yeah, 
the running back too. 

950
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:19,540
Like why is he? 
Never. 

951
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:22,540
That's one. 
So that's one where I think the 

952
00:48:22,540 --> 00:48:25,660
market actually has this right. 
We're like sure Matt Breda will 

953
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:28,940
play his little snaps per game 
or whatever, but. 

954
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,920
Gray is the one who has the 
chance to actually grow into a 

955
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,680
role that impacts Saquon's 
touches in the year cuz he 

956
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,080
actually might have some juice 
like he he might be like OK, not

957
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:44,120
that I am a Eric Gray truther, 
but that I think the market has 

958
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,360
that one right. 
I think the market has most of 

959
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,880
these right, although Ty 
Chandler should be going, we're 

960
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,960
we're about to be on the clock. 
We have the 103, the sharing is 

961
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,160
being a pain, but who do you 
got? 

962
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,030
It's like a 103. 
Christian McCaffrey. 

963
00:49:02,070 --> 00:49:06,190
CMC Yeah, OK Christian Caffrey. 
I don't. 

964
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:09,510
I don't start divorcing my round
one picks from ADP until after 

965
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:12,230
Kelsey goes. 
There we go. 

966
00:49:13,590 --> 00:49:16,070
Yeah, you can talk me into. 
You can talk me in the cup here 

967
00:49:16,070 --> 00:49:17,630
if like you guys both really 
wanted to. 

968
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:24,510
But I'm McCaffrey 3. 
Yeah, McCaffrey 3 too, man. 

969
00:49:24,510 --> 00:49:26,790
We're just, I think there's part
of us that's just like you could

970
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:28,910
totally make the case for 
McCaffrey. 

971
00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:32,290
That one, like, I'm not saying 
that's what I would do, but 

972
00:49:32,770 --> 00:49:34,850
there's a little bit of us 
that's just like board of 

973
00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:37,530
McCaffrey. 
Yeah, it's still the same 

974
00:49:37,530 --> 00:49:40,570
ceiling outcome, like maybe even
higher in this offense than it 

975
00:49:40,570 --> 00:49:42,250
wasn't Carolina. 
And we're just kind of like, 

976
00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:44,970
yeah, we'll take him at three. 
Like, let's not even think about

977
00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:46,570
it. 
Well, that's what. 

978
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:50,570
When I did the legendary 
scenarios, I was like, we will 

979
00:49:50,570 --> 00:49:55,210
need to have like a debrief on 
why Christian McCaffrey, who I 

980
00:49:55,210 --> 00:49:57,330
believe would be it. 
Was a good line legendary 

981
00:49:57,330 --> 00:49:59,750
season? 
Yeah, it was a good it was a 

982
00:49:59,750 --> 00:50:02,590
good line you had. 
We'll spend, we'll spend about 

983
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:06,390
18 minutes debating on why 
McCaffrey didn't go first 

984
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:08,190
overall. 
Before we start arguing about is

985
00:50:08,190 --> 00:50:10,070
Caleb Williams better than 
Patrick Mahomes. 

986
00:50:12,350 --> 00:50:14,590
This that's such a good. 
This is such a good one. 

987
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:18,390
Caleb Williams is going to be 
the highest drafted rookie 

988
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:22,510
fantasy quarterback of all time.
I my guess right now on Monday 

989
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:26,270
August 28th 2023 is that when 
we're doing the show next year, 

990
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:27,910
Caleb Williams is a fourth round
pick. 

991
00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:34,060
That is my that is my guess. 
Wow, a fourth round pick in 

992
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:40,460
basketball. 
People people love guy people 

993
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:44,180
and and he is really that good. 
But the thing about him though 

994
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:49,860
is Caleb Williams is is a actual
like not like a not like a CJ 

995
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:52,460
Stroud, Bryce Young, Joe Burrow,
Trevor Lawrence Scrambler. 

996
00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:55,820
He is a running quarterback who 
is also. 

997
00:50:56,370 --> 00:50:59,410
The greatest passing quarterback
in college football, Like it's A

998
00:50:59,410 --> 00:51:01,050
and he's huge. 
He is. 

999
00:51:01,050 --> 00:51:04,690
He's like 6 to 225 pounds. 
Like he's a giant guy too. 

1000
00:51:05,330 --> 00:51:08,370
I just went before you said that
from I guess I just wanna have 

1001
00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:11,250
Kenny Caleb Williams to being 
like I'm drafting Caleb Williams

1002
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:14,090
in the foreground next year. 
Sounds good. 

1003
00:51:14,090 --> 00:51:15,970
You gotta. 
Enter those tournaments in in 

1004
00:51:15,970 --> 00:51:18,170
February before he steams up 
that high you gotta take. 

1005
00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:19,490
He had. 
He had. 

1006
00:51:19,570 --> 00:51:23,010
He had 500 rushing yards and six
rushing touchdowns as an 18 year

1007
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:25,090
old true freshman. 
Like. 

1008
00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:29,340
He's nuts, dude. 
He's he's gonna win the Heisman 

1009
00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:31,420
twice. 
He's gonna win the Heisman 

1010
00:51:31,420 --> 00:51:32,620
twice. 
All right. 

1011
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:34,900
So how much better is he than 
Patrick Mahomes? 

1012
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:39,900
It's hard to say. 
Should the Chiefs trade, Patrick

1013
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:42,060
Mahomes should. 
The Chiefs trade Patrick Mahomes

1014
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:43,740
for the Well, the more 
interesting thing. 

1015
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:45,540
Get that rookie contract, dude. 
The two. 

1016
00:51:45,540 --> 00:51:47,500
So I mean, maybe it's maybe it 
makes sense. 

1017
00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:53,980
Man, we're gonna be stuck in 
hell here. 

1018
00:51:54,430 --> 00:51:57,590
We are. 
We're gonna get this impossible 

1019
00:51:57,590 --> 00:52:00,390
2-3 turn pick that you just 
can't cuz like once a lot. 

1020
00:52:00,590 --> 00:52:02,430
Well, I'm gonna want to take 
Derek Henry, and you guys are 

1021
00:52:02,430 --> 00:52:05,150
both gonna say no on that. 
Yeah, you're right. 

1022
00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:08,070
You're right about that. 
I've got enough. 

1023
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:10,510
You used to be. 
Able to get back In my day, you 

1024
00:52:10,510 --> 00:52:12,830
used to be able to get Tony 
Pollard at the 210 every once in

1025
00:52:12,830 --> 00:52:14,910
a while, man. 
Those were the days. 

1026
00:52:15,110 --> 00:52:19,170
Those were the days. 
You can get Chub Pollard, Derek 

1027
00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:21,490
Henry all in like the early 3rd.
Of them we are. 

1028
00:52:21,490 --> 00:52:23,330
We are officially in hell. 
I get. 

1029
00:52:23,330 --> 00:52:25,490
We could take. 
We could take Devon to Smith and

1030
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:27,250
and I take probably Smith in the
spot. 

1031
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:29,090
Yeah. 
I want to take Devon to Smith 

1032
00:52:29,090 --> 00:52:30,690
and see if we can get Hertz to 
come around. 

1033
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:32,170
Yeah, right. 
That's the way to play. 

1034
00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:34,170
It that's the way to play it, 
correct? 

1035
00:52:37,170 --> 00:52:40,530
And then I actually have this. 
I do this a lot. 

1036
00:52:40,530 --> 00:52:43,850
Like I have a lot of these teams
that are Christian McCaffrey, 

1037
00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:45,730
Devonte Smith. 
It's probably one of my highest 

1038
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:48,510
combos. 
Yeah, and then you get sniped on

1039
00:52:48,510 --> 00:52:49,710
Hurts. 
One thing before Every time you 

1040
00:52:49,710 --> 00:52:51,710
get sniped on hurts. 
It was a good process. 

1041
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:54,510
It was a good product. 
It's definitely good process. 

1042
00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:59,430
But there's a couple other guys 
that I I don't mind taking once 

1043
00:52:59,430 --> 00:53:00,590
we get. 
I may not hurt, yeah. 

1044
00:53:01,310 --> 00:53:03,150
Jacobs. 
If you're saying Jacobs is gonna

1045
00:53:03,150 --> 00:53:06,230
rise, it's not a terrible time 
to get your last chance at 

1046
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:08,870
contemflate Josh Jacobs. 
If if Hurts goes. 

1047
00:53:09,110 --> 00:53:11,950
Week Week 17 Who projects for 
more points? 

1048
00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:15,870
Lamar Jackson and Mark Andrews 
or Devonta Smith and. 

1049
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:18,810
Jalen Hertz, who projects 
straight up for more points. 

1050
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:21,490
Yeah. 
All right, there we go. 

1051
00:53:21,490 --> 00:53:25,130
We got, we got Hertz. 
We got Hertz. 

1052
00:53:25,450 --> 00:53:26,730
Hertz is the way to go here, 
right? 

1053
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:29,170
Yeah, yeah, I think. 
I think it's a good question, 

1054
00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:33,570
Davis, but I think Hertz Devonta
projects for more but. 

1055
00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:35,210
I bet. 
I bet. 

1056
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:37,970
I bet it's not. 
If Lamar is healthy in Week 17, 

1057
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:38,810
I bet. 
I bet. 

1058
00:53:38,810 --> 00:53:41,170
You just add, you go to 
establishtherun.com. 

1059
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:43,130
You add the, you add the two 
columns up. 

1060
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:45,930
I bet. 
Lamar Andrews projects for More 

1061
00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:49,650
half point PPR points than 
Devonta and Jalen Hertz. 

1062
00:53:50,090 --> 00:53:53,130
Yeah, well I'm happy with that 
cuz I have so much Lamar. 

1063
00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:55,130
I have so much Andrews. 
Sadly, I don't have them 

1064
00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:57,690
together that much, but I have a
ton of them both individually. 

1065
00:53:57,690 --> 00:53:58,170
You. 
Have to. 

1066
00:53:58,290 --> 00:54:00,290
You have to do it at the 2 three
turn now. 

1067
00:54:00,450 --> 00:54:02,330
If you want it, you have to. 
Yeah. 

1068
00:54:02,890 --> 00:54:06,210
By the way, I was on a stream 
with Liam and he was talking 

1069
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:09,610
about like this unique combo. 
You're reaching for Andrews on 

1070
00:54:09,610 --> 00:54:11,290
Lamar. 
I was like, dude, it's not 

1071
00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:13,830
unique. 
Like, everybody's doing that and

1072
00:54:13,830 --> 00:54:21,950
he goes no dude at the 1-2 turn.
That is unique. 

1073
00:54:23,870 --> 00:54:25,350
See the same thing having to 
meet David. 

1074
00:54:25,350 --> 00:54:30,590
So I was like, right, right. 
What Liam Liam is Liam is the 

1075
00:54:30,590 --> 00:54:34,870
best dude, he is. 
He like Liam is the most vibes 

1076
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:38,750
based drafter of all time. 
But he like, he's like a savant 

1077
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:41,070
in some way, you know, because, 
like, he like. 

1078
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,440
He he what? 
Like, I think it would be very 

1079
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,760
easy for someone who's trying to
nag Liam to be like, oh, he 

1080
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,960
just, you know, he just shipped 
like, whatever. 

1081
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,920
Anyone can ship it once. 
But he literally won the 555 on 

1082
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,080
DK the next. 
Yeah. 

1083
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,400
Like that is. 
That's like it's barium and the 

1084
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,160
2K as well. 
Yeah. 

1085
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,920
Like, it's not. 
Yeah, that's. 

1086
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,680
Not a tournament. 
There's like 12 people in that 

1087
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:03,800
one. 
So we can throw that now. 

1088
00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:11,940
Hey, man, so it's too K You're 
risking me. 

1089
00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:14,700
Maybe. 
That's good that I'm just trying

1090
00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:16,820
to process. 
I'm just trying to process all 

1091
00:55:16,820 --> 00:55:19,980
the points you're giving up 
doing Lamar Andrews at the 1-2 

1092
00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:22,060
turn. 
It's like you like you are 

1093
00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:26,770
losing different combo. 
You're losing, but The thing is 

1094
00:55:26,770 --> 00:55:28,170
is you have. 
To say there's no difference 

1095
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:29,970
between like Amari Cooper and 
A.J. 

1096
00:55:29,970 --> 00:55:32,010
Brown, if you're making that 
argument, that's what you have 

1097
00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:32,450
to say. 
But. 

1098
00:55:32,530 --> 00:55:34,450
But it's like you're fear 3-4 
turn. 

1099
00:55:34,450 --> 00:55:37,090
You're just like shit. 
I have to hope that Ram Andre 

1100
00:55:37,090 --> 00:55:40,090
Stevenson outscores Tony 
Pollard, and I gotta hope that 

1101
00:55:40,090 --> 00:55:42,570
Debo Samuel outscores A.J. 
Brown. 

1102
00:55:42,570 --> 00:55:45,490
It's it's like you're losing so 
many points, yeah. 

1103
00:55:46,110 --> 00:55:49,030
I actually liked the argument. 
I heard a stream with Hayden and

1104
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:50,470
Liam and they were talking about
it. 

1105
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:53,350
An eliminator. 
Like if you just wanted to auto 

1106
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:56,830
draft eliminator and take like 
Lamar Andrews at the 1-2 turn 

1107
00:55:57,110 --> 00:56:00,270
every time, I think in like a oh
wait, sorry not eliminator. 

1108
00:56:00,270 --> 00:56:02,870
Weekly winners, weekly winners, 
yeah, weekly winners. 

1109
00:56:02,910 --> 00:56:06,910
I think that because in any in 
any given week, I think those 3 

1110
00:56:06,910 --> 00:56:09,630
four players could outscore 
those one, two turn. 

1111
00:56:09,630 --> 00:56:12,390
And if you just want to say I 
want Andrews and Lamar every 

1112
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:15,790
single time and you know, see 
what happens after that. 

1113
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:18,060
I think it makes sense. 
A weekly winners, kind of, but 

1114
00:56:18,060 --> 00:56:19,300
I. 
Mean there will be there will be

1115
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,820
one week of the 17 weeks where 
they are. 

1116
00:56:21,820 --> 00:56:24,460
Those are the two highest 
scoring players period and 

1117
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:27,460
fantasy where no other player 
scores more points than them. 

1118
00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:29,580
So if that's your that's your 
baseline. 

1119
00:56:29,580 --> 00:56:32,060
It's just a matter of you know, 
do you get the right combo and 

1120
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:35,020
your other, you know, your other
16 roster spots. 

1121
00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:36,780
All right. 
So we're on the cloud. 

1122
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:40,100
Yet another yet another 
disgusting spot here. 

1123
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:43,460
No Drake, I. 
Don't even like Drake. 

1124
00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:45,190
London. 
It's. 

1125
00:56:45,390 --> 00:56:48,470
I love Drake one. 
It's better than. 

1126
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:50,470
I mean, I like when he falls 
here. 

1127
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:53,550
I have the same concerns about 
Drake London that I have for 

1128
00:56:53,550 --> 00:56:55,190
Kyle Pitts. 
But Drake London has to put up 

1129
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:57,670
wide receiver points and Kyle 
Fitz just has to put up tight 

1130
00:56:57,670 --> 00:57:00,910
end points and and you're 
getting pits 40 spots cheaper. 

1131
00:57:01,190 --> 00:57:03,430
But here's what I don't have 
concerns about that he's not 

1132
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:05,270
gonna have an elite route, 
right? 

1133
00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:07,790
Yeah, you should be out there 
every single snap. 

1134
00:57:07,870 --> 00:57:09,710
Yeah, and that Pitts for 
whatever reason's getting 

1135
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:12,280
rotated out, which is gonna hurt
cuz when the pie's. 

1136
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,800
That small. 
It's not for whatever reason, 

1137
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,520
It's that he's got a little knee
injury right now. 

1138
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,960
Okay. 
Yeah, I mean, he was wearing a 

1139
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,000
brace all off season and so made
the point like, you don't wear 

1140
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,560
knee braces for fun, guys. 
It's all right. 

1141
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,360
So this is I wanted. 
I wanted. 

1142
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,400
To It's Deonte. 
It's Deonte Johnson, yeah. 

1143
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,160
Yeah, I'm probably Deonte here. 
Should we talk, Kirk? 

1144
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,490
Is there any? 
Is Deonte over Kirk? 

1145
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:39,650
I mix them. 
It's interchangeable to me. 

1146
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:41,610
But we already have our We 
already have our quarterback. 

1147
00:57:41,610 --> 00:57:43,690
So we don't have to sweat 
setting up Trevor, do we? 

1148
00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:47,610
Care about week? 
Week six? 

1149
00:57:47,810 --> 00:57:49,730
No, wait, no, I lied. 
That's not a correlation. 

1150
00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:52,490
Forget what I said. 
And this sets us up. 

1151
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:54,930
This sets us up to take the 
falling JSN as well. 

1152
00:57:55,050 --> 00:57:56,090
It does. 
So there you go. 

1153
00:57:56,090 --> 00:57:57,610
Sam. 
Get excited. 

1154
00:57:59,730 --> 00:58:02,790
Ohh man. 
Oh, this also by the way, sets 

1155
00:58:02,790 --> 00:58:04,910
us up. 
This sets us up for, for round 

1156
00:58:04,910 --> 00:58:07,430
15, Michael Wilson. 
We we can set, we can set the 

1157
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:10,070
Max on Michael Wilson and and 
that's all mania. 

1158
00:58:12,850 --> 00:58:16,490
I think with Jason, I think is 
like I saw the worst JSN takes 

1159
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:19,450
on my timeline and now I'm just 
arguing against the straw man 

1160
00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:20,930
and that's what. 
Isn't that what you do though? 

1161
00:58:20,970 --> 00:58:23,650
Is that what that's like? 
My whole brand like, yeah, it's 

1162
00:58:24,570 --> 00:58:27,450
like, I'm not even sure like 
what you saw. 

1163
00:58:27,810 --> 00:58:31,010
Like what did Sam see? 
I would you need to like quote 

1164
00:58:31,290 --> 00:58:35,050
like no more subjects. 
Like, tell us who you're mad at,

1165
00:58:35,490 --> 00:58:38,210
because I'm like, what is Sam 
even tilting right now? 

1166
00:58:38,610 --> 00:58:39,450
Yeah, I don't. 
I don't know. 

1167
00:58:39,450 --> 00:58:41,530
It was hard. 
It was hard to figure out the 

1168
00:58:41,530 --> 00:58:43,970
source of what I was tilting. 
But there were some takes. 

1169
00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:46,130
Like they were just like, ah, 
the injury doesn't matter. 

1170
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:48,650
He's a playoff play anyways. 
It's like, yeah, yeah, the guy 

1171
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:50,730
who broke his wrist and is 
missing six games, like it 

1172
00:58:50,810 --> 00:58:54,850
doesn't matter at all. 45 Sam 
come on. 

1173
00:58:54,850 --> 00:58:56,170
Doesn't matter dude. 
Just got. 

1174
00:58:56,170 --> 00:59:01,090
Exaggerate You got. 
Exaggerate a little bit When 

1175
00:59:01,090 --> 00:59:03,410
you're arguing against. 
When you arguing against the 

1176
00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:08,430
straw man you gotta, you also 
have to become a straw man 

1177
00:59:08,430 --> 00:59:10,750
yourself. 
Exactly, exactly. 

1178
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:12,790
And you have to become a strong 
man. 

1179
00:59:12,830 --> 00:59:15,950
It's only fair if you argue back
with a straw man argument. 

1180
00:59:23,550 --> 00:59:26,230
Do you guys feel like there's 
just no like when you guys were 

1181
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:29,390
drafting in June, I felt like I 
was getting like these awesome 

1182
00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:31,670
picks like this is 3 rounds of 
value. 

1183
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:34,270
Whether it materialized or not. 
Like in my head I was talking 

1184
00:59:34,270 --> 00:59:36,020
myself into like. 
This is a smash. 

1185
00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:38,340
Yeah, there's no value picks 
right now, yeah. 

1186
00:59:38,860 --> 00:59:42,260
I'm just like all. 
And I just straight up will not 

1187
00:59:42,860 --> 00:59:46,140
click like half the guys. 
So I already know who I'm gonna 

1188
00:59:46,140 --> 00:59:50,460
take when I'm on the clock. 
I just just I'm not clicking. 

1189
00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:53,610
Literally half the player pool 
that gets drafted. 

1190
00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:55,850
It's just they're just, they 
just like Alexander Madison. 

1191
00:59:55,850 --> 00:59:57,570
Literally might as well not 
exist for me. 

1192
00:59:57,570 --> 01:00:00,690
I like, I might be so trained 
that I could be like on the 

1193
01:00:00,690 --> 01:00:03,850
clock and around 10 and I just 
am so like never clicking 

1194
01:00:03,850 --> 01:00:06,090
Alexander Madison that I might 
just pass right over him. 

1195
01:00:06,090 --> 01:00:08,250
Cuz I'm like, I don't take that 
guy. 

1196
01:00:08,970 --> 01:00:11,650
I take, I take Madison. 
Do you? 

1197
01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:13,730
I never take him. 
I mean, I would take him around 

1198
01:00:13,730 --> 01:00:15,450
10 obviously, but. 
Yeah, sure. 

1199
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:17,090
I. 
Have no interest in, it's. 

1200
01:00:17,090 --> 01:00:21,690
Just I like kind of Walker. 
Dobbins and Swift more than him.

1201
01:00:21,690 --> 01:00:25,850
So it's just yeah. 
Dobbins over Madison is like an 

1202
01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:29,570
easy one for me, cuz. 
You're I'm not a Dobbins bull 

1203
01:00:29,570 --> 01:00:33,210
either, really. 
I am at the sixth round. 

1204
01:00:33,210 --> 01:00:34,650
Pierce. 
Pierce over Madison. 

1205
01:00:34,930 --> 01:00:36,650
No question. 
Pierce over Madison for sure. 

1206
01:00:37,210 --> 01:00:39,850
Like, I feel pretty confident 
Madison is not good. 

1207
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:41,970
And that's just that's a 
problem. 

1208
01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:45,990
It's more it's more that I just 
don't feel confident that he is 

1209
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:48,470
good and if you don't feel 
confident that he is good the 

1210
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:53,710
the projectable volume vet is 
very fragile like he's he's Luke

1211
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:56,590
Musgrave but at running back is 
just like sure he's the guy so 

1212
01:00:56,590 --> 01:00:57,910
we're giving him the ball but 
like right. 

1213
01:00:58,550 --> 01:01:01,200
Right. 
But I would think that like just

1214
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,760
pushing back on the projection a
tiny bit, like the people who do

1215
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,520
projections like ETR, I think 
they're pushed back there would 

1216
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,800
be like they're probably docking
the shit out of master the 

1217
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,760
ceiling odds and like doing a 
shit. 

1218
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,040
They're probably factoring that 
all in and they still have them 

1219
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,280
ranked at like pick sixty or 
something. 

1220
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,240
So it's like a little Jacob C to
me where I don't think he's very

1221
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,240
good. 
But like the Vikings are playing

1222
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,400
Ty Chandler, like deep into 
preseason games. 

1223
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,520
Like, I don't think the Vikings 
think these other guys are any 

1224
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,790
good at all. 
So I don't know I see how you 

1225
01:01:29,790 --> 01:01:32,870
lose, but the price seems fine. 
We shouldn't think talk about 

1226
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:35,750
we're. 
Gonna he's he's he to me seems 

1227
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:38,110
like a real silent killer type 
season guy that. 

1228
01:01:38,110 --> 01:01:39,710
Yeah, for sure. 
For sure. 

1229
01:01:39,710 --> 01:01:43,310
Just take a receivers honestly. 
The Jovante cuz we like all the 

1230
01:01:43,310 --> 01:01:45,110
wide receivers on the cloud. 
Get. 

1231
01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:46,150
Some Mike on. 
Jsn. 

1232
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:49,110
Here, well, we should take 
Jovante because we like all the 

1233
01:01:49,110 --> 01:01:51,630
next 5 wide receivers. 
What about Arizona? 

1234
01:01:51,870 --> 01:01:54,390
Week 17 and A we. 
Take Michael Wilson. 

1235
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:58,350
We take Michael Wilson. 
Or I mean or Hollywood. 

1236
01:01:59,470 --> 01:02:01,710
We're fine with. 
We're fine with any of. 

1237
01:02:01,710 --> 01:02:03,910
These grab. 
Yes. 

1238
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:04,910
What about? 
Wait, we don't. 

1239
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:08,470
We don't want Goddard. 
Are we gonna take a tight end in

1240
01:02:08,470 --> 01:02:11,910
the next pick? 
Well, I don't. 

1241
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:15,070
Like Dallas Goddard that much, 
Okay. 

1242
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:17,710
I mean, I'm fine with you. 
I think we need the receiver 

1243
01:02:17,870 --> 01:02:20,590
structurally, yeah. 
I mean, I know I would have, I 

1244
01:02:20,590 --> 01:02:22,510
would have wanted to go water 
super tight end. 

1245
01:02:22,510 --> 01:02:23,710
I think, yeah, we could have 
done. 

1246
01:02:23,830 --> 01:02:25,510
It too, yeah. 
Also, Goddard. 

1247
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:28,910
Goddard sometimes randomly falls
too, because people don't really

1248
01:02:28,910 --> 01:02:30,230
like to click him that much 
naked. 

1249
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:32,270
So when you're the Hertz team, 
you kind of drive him. 

1250
01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:34,790
Not that I think we'll get him 
at the 8:10, but it's like, I 

1251
01:02:34,790 --> 01:02:40,110
don't know, 3% possible. 
So I guess we're stuck with 

1252
01:02:40,110 --> 01:02:42,750
Pittman. 
We could, we could take Quinton 

1253
01:02:42,750 --> 01:02:44,270
Johnson, he correlates with 
Jovante. 

1254
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:47,190
I think we're overthinking 
Pitman a little bit. 

1255
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:49,230
If we're taking the Chargers, 
maybe number. 

1256
01:02:49,230 --> 01:02:52,910
I I like, I like Pitman. 
I I felt very invigorated by 

1257
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:54,950
what I saw from the Colts and 
preseason week three. 

1258
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:57,950
There were there were some 
naysayers, but I was like it 

1259
01:02:57,950 --> 01:03:01,510
checked all the boxes for me. 
Yeah, I'm. 

1260
01:03:01,870 --> 01:03:03,310
I think Pitman in the 7th is 
fine. 

1261
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:05,790
Yeah, I'm good with that. 
Got. 

1262
01:03:05,790 --> 01:03:08,310
A lot of got a lot of round five
Pitman mixed in that. 

1263
01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:11,190
So I'm I'm hoping, I'm hoping 
that round 7 Pittman is a league

1264
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:13,710
winner because I need round five
Pitman to be fine. 

1265
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:19,820
The Marquis Brown Dallas Goddard
2V2 seems pretty fun. 

1266
01:03:20,620 --> 01:03:24,860
I kind of wish we did that. 
Yeah, I like Goddard. 

1267
01:03:24,860 --> 01:03:29,500
I like Goddard a lot. 
Just cuz I don't know, I guess 

1268
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:32,380
we already took Devonta so some 
of the ceiling cases gone with 

1269
01:03:32,380 --> 01:03:34,740
him. 
But in a season where A.J. 

1270
01:03:34,740 --> 01:03:37,140
Brown and Devonta were healthy 
the whole year, Goddard paced 

1271
01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:39,420
for like 1000 yards. 
That was also, again, with the 

1272
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:41,860
Eagles like basically not 
playing football in the fourth 

1273
01:03:41,860 --> 01:03:45,040
quarter last year on offense, 
like they were just handing it 

1274
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,760
off to Boston Scott in the 
fourth quarter and enough. 

1275
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,520
Imagine imagine a world where 
Jalen Hertz throws the ball 600 

1276
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,440
times and the target shares are 
the same that they were last 

1277
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,200
year. 
And like, these guys can go so 

1278
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,160
nuclear. 
Yeah, that's what I think for 

1279
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,200
A.J. 
Brown and Smith. 

1280
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,120
It's like the ceiling is priced 
in. 

1281
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,720
But I don't know, like pits. 
That's the thing. 

1282
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,800
I don't have much pits this year
and I can see where I'm wrong 

1283
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,840
just on his talent being much 
better than Goddard's. 

1284
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,020
But like the floor and ceiling 
feels quite good for me, like 

1285
01:04:14,020 --> 01:04:16,900
with God or like his weekly 
ceiling, even in a season where 

1286
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:20,100
his target share is not that 
good, the pass volume is not 

1287
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:21,460
that good. 
Like he's still on the Eagles 

1288
01:04:21,460 --> 01:04:25,420
offense tied to Jalen Hertz 
where his pits like man, the 

1289
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:26,980
floor. 
Some of the floor stuff with him

1290
01:04:26,980 --> 01:04:29,060
gets gets kind of scary for me 
so. 

1291
01:04:30,140 --> 01:04:34,220
The Chad roasting us. 
For for taking Javante when we 

1292
01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:37,380
talked about Jsn's wrist and 
Javante's coming off a major 

1293
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,000
knee injury. 
He. 

1294
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,080
Played in the preseason. 
He played in the No, dude 

1295
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,360
Jovante. 
Jovante never suffered this 

1296
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,680
injury. 
Where is he going? 

1297
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,720
And it's him and P Ryan A2 man. 
Backfield. 

1298
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,120
Where is he going? 
I I still feel like Jovante has 

1299
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,120
negative inertia. 
Keep him down. 

1300
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:55,840
Yes. 
Yeah. 

1301
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,000
And he's he's way ahead of 
schedule. 

1302
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,520
Which is not to say that he's 
100% because I don't think he 

1303
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,400
is. 
But he's way ahead of where we 

1304
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,490
expected him to be. 
Yeah, so strategy was, I'm just 

1305
01:05:07,490 --> 01:05:11,050
gonna float this out. 
I've been tie breaking towards 

1306
01:05:11,050 --> 01:05:15,890
like not picking running backs 
as much now because in the last 

1307
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:19,050
couple rounds of these I want 
Kyron Williams, I want Chris 

1308
01:05:19,050 --> 01:05:20,690
Evans, I. 
Want to do that more from. 

1309
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:24,690
I want to be like three of those
guys that aren't getting drafted

1310
01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:27,130
at the end. 
So yeah, that's what I'm 

1311
01:05:27,130 --> 01:05:27,450
thinking. 
See. 

1312
01:05:27,730 --> 01:05:29,650
I've been doing. 
I've been doing the opposite to 

1313
01:05:29,650 --> 01:05:33,100
unlock that. 
I've been I've been taking more 

1314
01:05:33,660 --> 01:05:37,060
more 0 RB, more elite 
quarterback, a little bit more 

1315
01:05:37,060 --> 01:05:40,020
elite tight end. 
Like I I've been pretty heavy on

1316
01:05:40,020 --> 01:05:42,380
like more running backs earlier 
than you guys early in the 

1317
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:43,780
offseason. 
But I've been kind of like 

1318
01:05:44,100 --> 01:05:47,540
anchor running back, like 0 
running back now to try to take 

1319
01:05:47,540 --> 01:05:50,300
advantage of some of these RB 
twos just for the leverage 

1320
01:05:50,300 --> 01:05:52,820
stuff. 
So that's what I'm trying to do 

1321
01:05:52,820 --> 01:05:56,500
with my last like 20 bullets and
BBM is like a ton of hero RB 

1322
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:58,500
with like see. 
I've literally been doing the 

1323
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:01,180
opposite and just ending every 
draft with Tutu and deontay 

1324
01:06:01,180 --> 01:06:02,860
Hardy. 
I mean you can do it with 

1325
01:06:02,860 --> 01:06:04,340
Waterseeper. 
Too, Yeah. 

1326
01:06:04,340 --> 01:06:11,460
I like both those guys. 
Yeah, this is gonna be an 

1327
01:06:11,460 --> 01:06:17,820
interesting spot. 
Well, I have a the eighth round 

1328
01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:21,700
has become like for a player for
me, so we'll see. 

1329
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:25,140
The eighth round I take Bateman 
and the eighth round. 

1330
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,160
I was gonna say Bateman, 
Bateman, Herbert and Richardson 

1331
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,120
trailing, trailing. 
I like Richardson, I like, I 

1332
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,160
like Richardson. 
And then just being done like 

1333
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,520
obviously at quarterback, I 
would take should we take 

1334
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,440
trailing just because the Wild 
receivers get so gross after 

1335
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:41,360
him? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1336
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:42,560
Let's take, yeah, let's take 
trailing. 

1337
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,630
Let's take trailing We can get a
wide receiver or we can get a 

1338
01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:47,590
running back or quarterback. 
I think we like. 

1339
01:06:47,710 --> 01:06:51,070
And we can, we can eat. 
We can eat two weeks of zeros or

1340
01:06:51,070 --> 01:06:52,470
whatever. 
Well, he gets back from this 

1341
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:55,150
knee too, Herbert. 
Was the guy I was also eyeing 

1342
01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:56,750
there. 
Herbert would have been good 

1343
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,230
there. 
Was anyone else? 

1344
01:06:58,550 --> 01:07:00,030
Really good 5th receivers. 
Nice. 

1345
01:07:00,790 --> 01:07:04,710
Was anyone else shocked that 
Brian Robinson was the top five 

1346
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:09,080
Sean Siegel 0 RB list guy? 
I was every, every name made 

1347
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,160
sense to me, but I was I was 
like no chance to see a Brian 

1348
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,200
Robinson in here. 
I would actually take Anthony 

1349
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:16,680
Richardson here and then we can 
take out Pierce and just be 

1350
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,240
done. 
Yeah, I mean, we already have 

1351
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,600
Pitman too. 
We don't even need Pierce if we 

1352
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,040
want. 
But yes, I forgot we had Pitman.

1353
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,680
Yeah, let's get Richardson. 
Yeah. 

1354
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:31,160
Oh, our quarterback room just 
ran for 2000 yards. 

1355
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:36,110
It feels beautiful. 
I love God damn. 

1356
01:07:36,110 --> 01:07:39,190
Taking Anthony Richardson in the
ninth round feels so good. 

1357
01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:43,190
There's a couple spots that 
still feel weird to me, like 

1358
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:46,350
Anthony Richardson just readily 
available in the 9th, Bateman 

1359
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:50,670
readily available in the 8th. 
Where did Dobbins go in this 

1360
01:07:50,670 --> 01:07:54,590
draft? 
Early, yeah, 6. 

1361
01:07:54,590 --> 01:07:56,470
Yeah, he. 
Wins six, yeah. 

1362
01:07:57,430 --> 01:08:01,590
Dobbins, I do not understand. 
Maybe I'm just like used to kind

1363
01:08:01,590 --> 01:08:03,310
of where guys used to go, but 
like. 

1364
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,720
He doesn't. 
He doesn't catch. 

1365
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,560
He doesn't catch any passes. 
Yeah, but it's you know it is 

1366
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,720
half PPR if you told me Dobbins.
No, you can't. 

1367
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,760
OK, hold on. 
I'm calling foul. 

1368
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,640
We Crane. 
You and I are both terrible at 

1369
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,240
this. 
Like I would say of all 

1370
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,160
analysts, we are amongst the 
three worst offenders of this 

1371
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,880
where a guy we don't like, we 
penalize the shit out of him for

1372
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,080
whatever it is, but a guy we do 
like, we yada, yada, yada it 

1373
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,479
like like JK Dobbins doesn't 
catch passes. 

1374
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:33,479
It's fine. 
It's fine. 

1375
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,720
And it's .5 PPR. 
You know, like we well. 

1376
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,600
But it's also the six Rams. 
Fine, sure, fine. 

1377
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,640
But I would go. 
If you told me that JK Dobbins 

1378
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,160
was on the 4-5 turn, I wouldn't 
be surprised. 

1379
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,200
Sure. 
And then guess what? 

1380
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,279
He doesn't catch passes. 
Dude, you can't take him there. 

1381
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:53,840
So you're right. 
I would flip. 

1382
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,520
I'd flip on him hard. 
But I do think like I kind of 

1383
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,100
wanna. 
I mean, you know, I'm just 

1384
01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:01,819
defending my yadda, yadda yadda 
Ness, but like, I do want to 

1385
01:09:02,020 --> 01:09:05,899
raise the red flags when the 
price is high and talk about the

1386
01:09:05,899 --> 01:09:07,899
upside when the price is low to 
some extent. 

1387
01:09:08,020 --> 01:09:10,740
You know we can all over and 
yeah, micro take on the Ravens. 

1388
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:13,260
Like I don't think the 
difference between Greg Roman 

1389
01:09:13,260 --> 01:09:16,859
and Todd Monken can be like 
overstated enough. 

1390
01:09:16,859 --> 01:09:20,220
Like I think this offense is 
gonna be so different. 

1391
01:09:20,420 --> 01:09:23,260
Obviously Lamar I still expect 
to scramble and that will hurt 

1392
01:09:23,660 --> 01:09:28,149
Dobbins, but this offense was 
using running backs like so much

1393
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:30,510
differently than any other 
offense in the NFL with Greg 

1394
01:09:30,510 --> 01:09:32,310
Roman like super heavy 
personnel. 

1395
01:09:32,310 --> 01:09:34,310
You know Patrick Carr is playing
a ton of snaps. 

1396
01:09:34,310 --> 01:09:39,149
Tons of two tight end stuff. 
Like, you know, I definitely 

1397
01:09:39,149 --> 01:09:41,870
can't say like Dom's is 
guaranteed to catch more passes,

1398
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:43,790
but it's gonna be a completely 
different offensive I. 

1399
01:09:43,790 --> 01:09:46,390
Think he'll run? 
I think he'll run more routes. 

1400
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:48,149
I think. 
I think you could say he don't. 

1401
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:51,590
It doesn't You like you can lead
a horse to water, but you can't 

1402
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:53,790
make a drink like Lamar. 
I think structurally just 

1403
01:09:53,790 --> 01:09:55,310
doesn't like to check down that 
much. 

1404
01:09:56,110 --> 01:09:58,190
But I bet he will run more 
routes. 

1405
01:10:00,270 --> 01:10:03,670
Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying if
we're hyping up James Cook's 

1406
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:07,110
pass catching, obviously Domin's
different prospect, different 

1407
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:10,950
player than James Cook, but I 
think Dobbins has a little more 

1408
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:13,670
pass catching ceiling than he 
did the rest of his career. 

1409
01:10:13,670 --> 01:10:16,190
I'm not saying it's gonna be 
something crazy high, but. 

1410
01:10:16,830 --> 01:10:20,910
There is one very clear pick for
our team here. 

1411
01:10:21,390 --> 01:10:24,190
And I'm just, I'm really, I 
think he's gonna get sniped. 

1412
01:10:24,190 --> 01:10:25,910
I think he's gonna go before we 
get there. 

1413
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:28,150
But there's one guy who we gotta
take. 

1414
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:31,030
All right. 
I have a guy in mind. 

1415
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:33,310
I'm hoping it's same guy. 
It's not. 

1416
01:10:33,310 --> 01:10:35,590
It's not going to be, but 
there's just like a for a 

1417
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:39,350
structural stuff, there's one 
guy who fits our team like a 

1418
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:42,590
glove. 
Nice and it's. 

1419
01:10:42,670 --> 01:10:43,950
Not juju. 
It's not Juju. 

1420
01:10:43,950 --> 01:10:44,470
Smith St. 
It's. 

1421
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:46,230
Not Juju Smith shoes here. 
So that was Sam's guy. 

1422
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:53,980
No, it's my wait. 
Yeah, he got, he got tackled. 

1423
01:10:49,940 --> 01:10:51,780
You guys see feelings, feelings,
preaches and highlights. 

1424
01:10:51,780 --> 01:10:52,660
We don't want to take him on 
the. 

1425
01:10:53,980 --> 01:10:56,340
He got tackled then, yeah, OK, 
Friarmuth. 

1426
01:10:56,380 --> 01:10:58,980
Friarmuth was the guy who 
structurally, we we had the game

1427
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:00,780
stack set up. 
We needed a tight end. 

1428
01:11:01,860 --> 01:11:03,100
Jalen Warren was the guy that I 
was. 

1429
01:11:03,260 --> 01:11:05,980
I don't get why isn't the joke 
we falling like so much. 

1430
01:11:05,980 --> 01:11:07,580
Like I've been scooping him 
around. 

1431
01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:09,820
Pick 120, like I guess it's not 
the most exciting. 

1432
01:11:09,820 --> 01:11:11,780
Like, it's. 
Because we're just bored. 

1433
01:11:12,140 --> 01:11:15,140
It's because we're just bored. 
We're talking about guys with 

1434
01:11:15,140 --> 01:11:17,200
locked in route rates like David
and Joe. 

1435
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,680
Is yeah. 
I mean the next running back for

1436
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,520
me would be like McKinnon. 
So yeah, cuz we can't take P. 

1437
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,720
Ryan, do you want to just scoop 
the value here? 

1438
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:29,920
Yeah, I wanna scoop the Njoku. 
Yeah. 

1439
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,760
Value value handing, baby. 
We talked about how there's no 

1440
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,440
values, but here we go. 
You let us get a value room. 

1441
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:40,370
There's just there's not been a 
single story about him. 

1442
01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:42,490
There's not been like he just 
has not been part of the 

1443
01:11:42,490 --> 01:11:45,730
conversation at all. 
Yeah, he's got some athletic 

1444
01:11:45,730 --> 01:11:48,890
hype, like the beat writers for 
the Browns have really been 

1445
01:11:48,970 --> 01:11:50,570
hyping him up. 
But it doesn't seem to have made

1446
01:11:50,570 --> 01:11:54,410
its way to like the Twitter. 
Didn't he run like every single 

1447
01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:58,050
route? 
With yeah, his role is like 

1448
01:11:58,050 --> 01:12:00,890
gonna be one of the best tight 
end roles in NFL. 

1449
01:12:00,890 --> 01:12:05,570
I'm pretty confident of that. 
Like whether he can, yeah, earn 

1450
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:08,770
targets at like at a high level,
I'm not sure, But pick 120, I 

1451
01:12:08,770 --> 01:12:10,410
mean it seems, seems pretty 
good. 

1452
01:12:11,210 --> 01:12:13,370
So do we want to push running 
back? 

1453
01:12:13,890 --> 01:12:17,650
Because I don't like any of 
these, I'll. 

1454
01:12:17,650 --> 01:12:23,330
Just pull up the 0 running back 
list and there there's there's 

1455
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:25,570
two guys on it who are 
available. 

1456
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:28,850
But can we I? 
Just want to push Marvin Mims 

1457
01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:30,650
here. 
Just honestly who I would push, 

1458
01:12:30,650 --> 01:12:32,170
it's. 
Fine. 

1459
01:12:32,610 --> 01:12:35,810
Yeah, we already got Duvante. 
Yeah. 

1460
01:12:36,330 --> 01:12:39,130
I mean, I would think. 
I think Myers and Zay Jones are 

1461
01:12:39,130 --> 01:12:41,850
definitely like. 
Myers also correlates to Supreme

1462
01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:43,090
We. 
We don't. 

1463
01:12:43,450 --> 01:12:45,290
Myers is fine. 
But do we need? 

1464
01:12:45,370 --> 01:12:46,650
We do. 
We need a stop price? 

1465
01:12:46,650 --> 01:12:51,090
We can go, we can go for more 
upside I guess with them. 

1466
01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:55,850
Yeah, like Myers. 
Myers is my preferred guy in 

1467
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:59,330
that round where I have like 
maybe maybe I took Mclaurin or 

1468
01:12:59,330 --> 01:13:02,120
maybe I took JSN. 
You know, and I just need a guy 

1469
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:06,400
who's going to be like 9 1/2 
half point PPR or whatever. 

1470
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,720
Like I'll take Myers there. 
But when he's your sixth guy and

1471
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,000
you don't have any injured guys 
or any suspended guys, I think 

1472
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,480
it's Mims. 
So I like in this build maybe 

1473
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:19,160
like we're turning towards 2673 
here, like 6 running backs on 

1474
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,720
the Caffrey feels like a lot. 
But if we take them all super 

1475
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,320
late, I think it actually. 
And and our first two running 

1476
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,000
backs have the same bye week as 
well. 

1477
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,370
So hopefully we can get a Mingo 
or someone here that we feel 

1478
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:35,490
good about as our 7th wide 
receiver and then just crank out

1479
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:37,570
running backs and tight ends. 
Maybe we'll see. 

1480
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:44,410
We should have taken Kincade. 
Way more fun to take, Kincade. 

1481
01:13:45,570 --> 01:13:47,770
No, no. 
Come on. 

1482
01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:52,030
We can't let Liam win. 
Listen, Liam's gonna win, Liam's

1483
01:13:52,030 --> 01:13:53,990
gonna win. 
It's gonna be Kincaid is gonna 

1484
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:57,470
score 2 touchdowns like on the 
right week, and somehow he's 

1485
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:59,430
gonna advance some team with 
Kincaid on. 

1486
01:13:59,470 --> 01:14:01,630
He's gonna get to victory lap 
and then Dawson knocks on that 

1487
01:14:01,630 --> 01:14:05,630
same team will score a touchdown
on week 16, and then and then 

1488
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:07,510
neither, and then he'll wash out
in the final. 

1489
01:14:07,510 --> 01:14:09,110
I'm sorry you're you're gonna 
make the finals with that team, 

1490
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:11,070
Liam, but then it's gonna wash 
out because you have two 

1491
01:14:11,070 --> 01:14:13,070
terrible ties. 
Because because Deontay. 

1492
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:15,790
Because Deontay Hardy got 7 
targets out of the slot in week 

1493
01:14:15,790 --> 01:14:16,990
17 against the team. 
Yeah. 

1494
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:19,940
The hardest The guy you need. 
And that's how we get Davis 

1495
01:14:20,100 --> 01:14:20,700
Davis. 
That's how you. 

1496
01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:24,020
If Deontay Hardy is the guy you 
need, I've got to be the most 

1497
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:26,020
well positioned analyst of 
anyone. 

1498
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:27,780
Like. 
Like, I'm not saying there's no 

1499
01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:30,220
one who's drafted more Hardy 
than me, but I got to be close 

1500
01:14:30,220 --> 01:14:33,420
to the number one. 
In fact, to the point that when 

1501
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:37,940
when I people know it's me in 
the draft, Hardy sometimes goes 

1502
01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:42,100
in the 17th round because I just
take him every time. 

1503
01:14:42,500 --> 01:14:45,610
I need to start taking him more.
I'm taking some, Yeah. 

1504
01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:47,930
I have 5%, which feels pretty 
good for guys. 

1505
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:49,490
Been on drafted all year. 
Yeah, it's pretty good. 

1506
01:14:50,290 --> 01:14:54,610
Yeah, I was 3. 103% Shakir I was
never I got. 

1507
01:14:54,610 --> 01:14:58,730
A lot of deonte Hardy. 
I took Shakir for a minute and 

1508
01:14:58,730 --> 01:15:01,650
it's Shakir. 
Is Shakir is dead The the Bills 

1509
01:15:01,650 --> 01:15:04,850
beat writers are saying he might
be a healthy scratch because he 

1510
01:15:04,850 --> 01:15:08,210
doesn't play special teams. 
Yeah, Tyquan Shakir. 

1511
01:15:08,490 --> 01:15:13,550
That's I was really trying to 
get you guys off Taekwon and you

1512
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:17,390
you kept drafting for a couple 
more weeks I. 

1513
01:15:17,550 --> 01:15:19,750
Sometimes take him. 
I sometimes take him in around 

1514
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:24,470
20 on drafters now just because 
it's like, what else am I doing 

1515
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:26,150
with my life? 
I can't take Sean Tucker. 

1516
01:15:26,150 --> 01:15:29,270
He's not on this site. 
Yeah, I mean, honestly, this 

1517
01:15:29,310 --> 01:15:31,790
isn't even the Mike Parker. 
Exposure makes me a little sad 

1518
01:15:31,790 --> 01:15:33,670
because it is. 
It's just that high. 

1519
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:37,070
It's really, there's no way this
works. 

1520
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:39,830
There's no way this works. 
But. 

1521
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:44,960
Yeah, I have 3030% Devante 
Parker, my highest known player.

1522
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,760
It's disgusting. 
I don't really want to tell. 

1523
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:47,880
About it. 
That was truly disgusting. 

1524
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:54,200
I have 17% Parker, so you have 
twice as much Parker as me. 

1525
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:59,880
And I feel gross about my, I 
mean, the choice all offseason 

1526
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:03,120
was like, do you want Devante 
Parker or Khalil Shakir? 

1527
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,480
And I'm sorry, but there was a 
correct answer to that question 

1528
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,520
and I answered the test right. 
It's not gonna work in the end. 

1529
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:11,640
He's obviously gonna get 
injured. 

1530
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,080
But it's a good process. 
Yeah, obviously it's. 

1531
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,760
The correct answer was some 
random running back that we've 

1532
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,840
yet to identify. 
Yeah, fuck Mingo, Mingo goes. 

1533
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,360
That's a bummer. 
And Reed goes. 

1534
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,600
I mean when I get back into a 
corner here. 

1535
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:30,400
We're not back in the corner at 
all. 

1536
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,160
No, no, I'm just saying. 
Really strong picks. 

1537
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:37,710
Yeah, Algeria. 
Gain well, gain well, gain well.

1538
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:39,790
I think it goes well first. 
Gain. 

1539
01:16:39,790 --> 01:16:43,630
Well, first we have Hertz. 
All right, fine with Hertz. 

1540
01:16:43,670 --> 01:16:45,230
Yeah, gain. 
Well, is a no brainer, right? 

1541
01:16:45,230 --> 01:16:47,110
With Hertz? 
Sure. 

1542
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:50,590
Yeah. 
Yeah, it didn't click for me 

1543
01:16:50,590 --> 01:16:53,830
that we had Hertz, but once you 
mentioned that, it's like, yeah,

1544
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:57,890
we gotta take them. 
Yeah, that that's probably good 

1545
01:16:57,890 --> 01:17:00,770
on this bill too, because if 
Javante starts slow, we probably

1546
01:17:00,770 --> 01:17:03,250
just need some like gross like 8
point Kenny gain. 

1547
01:17:03,250 --> 01:17:05,290
Well, what if? 
What if Gain well isn't gross? 

1548
01:17:05,290 --> 01:17:07,250
And what if? 
What if the what if the Eagles 

1549
01:17:07,250 --> 01:17:10,210
beat writers weren't lying and 
gain well actually does have 

1550
01:17:10,250 --> 01:17:13,370
like this like really gnarly 
role in the offense. 

1551
01:17:14,090 --> 01:17:17,490
Everyone, everyone not waves it 
and just says like all three 

1552
01:17:17,490 --> 01:17:19,210
guys are playing. 
Swift plays. 

1553
01:17:19,210 --> 01:17:23,250
Penny gets his work, but like if
you were, if you had to bet. 

1554
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:27,240
On one Eagles back to lead the 
team in touches the first month 

1555
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,040
of the season, I think you would
bet game well. 

1556
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:35,160
If you let me change that to 
snaps then I would be very happy

1557
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,680
to take game well. 
It's just the touches part. 

1558
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,520
Yeah, you know what? 
Fairpoint. 

1559
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,040
Fairpoint. 
I actually think, I actually 

1560
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,840
think you're right. 
Like he's gonna get a lot of low

1561
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,880
value touches. 
I I think Groshon. 

1562
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,040
I think groshon. 
I. 

1563
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,400
Think Groshon too. 
What if I told you that, Roshon?

1564
01:17:51,010 --> 01:17:54,330
Went from being a guy we thought
might not be active until week 4

1565
01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:57,610
to the passing down back for the
Chicago Bears and straight up 

1566
01:17:57,730 --> 01:18:01,610
week one that passing down back 
for the Chicago Bears is a role 

1567
01:18:01,610 --> 01:18:02,650
that you definitely want to 
choose. 

1568
01:18:02,650 --> 01:18:08,170
You really wanted. 
You gotta lock. 

1569
01:18:08,170 --> 01:18:10,250
You gotta lock that up in the 
13th round You. 

1570
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:12,450
Gotta lock you gotta lock. 
Justin Fields, Passing. 

1571
01:18:12,810 --> 01:18:15,490
It's down. 
There's exactly 1 fantasy 

1572
01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:19,490
football analyst who has touted 
Travis Homer this offseason and 

1573
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:24,250
I'm looking at him. 
Hey man, when Donta Foreman gets

1574
01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:27,210
cut because of Travis Homer's 
punt gunner roll, I'm in a 

1575
01:18:27,210 --> 01:18:29,650
victory lap that no, I'll find a
way to victory. 

1576
01:18:29,930 --> 01:18:32,130
That thing? 
Doctor Foreman is getting cut 

1577
01:18:32,130 --> 01:18:36,570
because Roshon proved that he's 
good enough to play right away 

1578
01:18:36,570 --> 01:18:38,770
instead of having to be a 
healthy scratch. 

1579
01:18:39,930 --> 01:18:42,210
I'm capitulating on Roshawn. 
I'm not capitulating on my 

1580
01:18:42,210 --> 01:18:43,170
Travis. 
Homer matters. 

1581
01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:44,770
Take I'm I'm finding a way to 
well. 

1582
01:18:45,170 --> 01:18:47,770
I mean. 
Matters take life is going to 

1583
01:18:47,770 --> 01:18:49,610
make you capitulate. 
Hard on that one, I'm I'm 

1584
01:18:49,730 --> 01:18:50,970
telling you. 
We are. 

1585
01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:52,850
We are going to the foreman 
gets. 

1586
01:18:53,050 --> 01:18:56,250
I was just, I was raising the 
red flags for one of these guys 

1587
01:18:56,250 --> 01:18:58,490
is either going to get cut or be
inactive on game games? 

1588
01:18:58,530 --> 01:18:59,650
That's. 
Part of the trade. 

1589
01:19:00,290 --> 01:19:03,090
That's part of why I'm like 
Rosh. 

1590
01:19:03,130 --> 01:19:04,930
I'm drafting Roshawn now. 
But guess what? 

1591
01:19:05,170 --> 01:19:06,090
Did he? 
Did he rise? 

1592
01:19:06,850 --> 01:19:10,360
Did he rise in price like after 
this news that he's playing? 

1593
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,240
No. 
You can still get him. 

1594
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,760
I know we're. 
CLV guys, But like getting the 

1595
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,000
points is the most important 
thing. 

1596
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,000
And I think having having some 
Rochon bags from earlier in the 

1597
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,320
offseason is even if the price 
doesn't rise, it's still going 

1598
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:26,360
to be good. 
Yeah. 

1599
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:29,080
But I just think there's a point
You chase the ambiguous 

1600
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,160
backfield, I get that. 
But like sometimes you go to 

1601
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,400
like in my opinion like go to 
the next level and like this 

1602
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,350
Bears backfield is going to be 
the one of the lowest expected 

1603
01:19:38,350 --> 01:19:42,030
points back fields in the NFL. 
Like I am very confident in that

1604
01:19:42,030 --> 01:19:44,910
with Justin Fields at 
quarterback not passing to 

1605
01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:47,030
running backs, stealing a ton of
goal line stuff. 

1606
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:51,630
Like it could just be a three 
headed monster that like sucks 

1607
01:19:51,630 --> 01:19:54,110
for fantasy, which is why the 
prices are so low. 

1608
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:55,270
So it's like I don't know, I'm 
fine. 

1609
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:57,590
I was fine waiting out the 
uncertainty and I'll take my 

1610
01:19:57,590 --> 01:20:01,350
Rosh on now and I'll get to 7% 
and I'm fine with that, but. 

1611
01:20:02,230 --> 01:20:04,220
Yeah. 
I didn't hear you make. 

1612
01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:06,580
I didn't hear you mention Travis
Homer there when you were when 

1613
01:20:06,580 --> 01:20:09,700
you it seems like. 
Hey man, he's going to make the 

1614
01:20:09,700 --> 01:20:11,220
roster. 
He's going to make the roster 

1615
01:20:11,260 --> 01:20:13,020
and Doctor Foreman's probably 
getting cut. 

1616
01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:17,340
So that's all I'll. 
Say damn, our tight ends are 

1617
01:20:17,340 --> 01:20:21,340
getting savage right now. 
Yeah. 

1618
01:20:23,580 --> 01:20:25,380
I hate to see it. 
This is going to be a Hunter 

1619
01:20:25,380 --> 01:20:31,260
Henry ahead of ADP team. 
Well, there's there's a couple 

1620
01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:34,130
guys left. 
I mean the. 

1621
01:20:34,770 --> 01:20:38,690
One one guy in particular. 
Gerald I take Gerald Everett. 

1622
01:20:38,930 --> 01:20:43,450
It's it's not fun, but I agree. 
Yeah, we can only take down the 

1623
01:20:43,450 --> 01:20:47,170
Piers and probably be done at 
receiver, but that would be a 

1624
01:20:47,170 --> 01:20:51,370
nice second stack piece. 
I would rather take Josh Downs 

1625
01:20:51,370 --> 01:20:53,130
in the 18th when we already have
Pittman. 

1626
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:55,650
Should we grab Everett then? 
I. 

1627
01:20:55,650 --> 01:20:57,970
Think we go, we go Everett. 
Downs Downs. 

1628
01:20:57,970 --> 01:20:59,930
Did you guys catch this? 
The Downs, another guy I would 

1629
01:20:59,970 --> 01:21:05,290
say is, is Spears real quick cuz
he's, I mean Spears is kind of a

1630
01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:07,490
smash and he's a 0. 
Runback guy? 

1631
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:10,210
Sure, sure. 
Click Spears first. 

1632
01:21:10,850 --> 01:21:13,970
Yeah, I mean this guy from us is
0 tight ends is all say. 

1633
01:21:14,290 --> 01:21:17,090
No, actually, Sam's right. 
Sam's right. 

1634
01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:19,050
Everett, first, this guy is four
runs. 

1635
01:21:19,170 --> 01:21:22,530
I think we need Everettmore. 
It sucks, but we need 

1636
01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:25,930
Everettmore. 
I think we do cuz tight end 

1637
01:21:26,050 --> 01:21:29,490
actually used to be able to get 
smash tight ends in the 18th. 

1638
01:21:29,650 --> 01:21:32,690
Now it's a little. 
I see. 

1639
01:21:32,690 --> 01:21:34,130
And I do like Spears. 
I definitely like Spears. 

1640
01:21:34,130 --> 01:21:35,930
Well, they both have the same 
buy, so we are taking a third 

1641
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:37,970
tight end, but there you go I 
was. 

1642
01:21:37,970 --> 01:21:40,970
Planning that anyways, I think 
if you get in Joku at no, I 

1643
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:42,290
think I think we need it anyway 
too. 

1644
01:21:42,330 --> 01:21:49,970
Yeah, losing Spears hurts. 
Yeah, would have been fun, but 

1645
01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:51,610
again. 
I do wanna take some of these 

1646
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:53,770
undrafted guys. 
Spears has been getting drafted 

1647
01:21:53,770 --> 01:21:55,330
all year. 
I do wanna take some of these 

1648
01:21:55,370 --> 01:21:59,450
Kyron Williams types. 
Should we just grab pears here? 

1649
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,800
Yeah I think we've been done 
that's even take Pierce. 

1650
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,960
What do you guys think? 
I. 

1651
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,320
Like Jeff Wilson thought, 
thoughts on thoughts on Jeff 

1652
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,360
Wilson? 
I guess we have the specter of 

1653
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,360
the Jonathan Taylor trade 
hanging over us. 

1654
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,640
Yeah, that's part of it for me. 
Plus, it's like a correlated. 

1655
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:17,880
Guy, right? 
I like downs. 

1656
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,760
I like downs better. 
But it's fine, Pierce. 

1657
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,640
It's a. 
Round pass, ADP and yeah, it's a

1658
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,480
tough one, but I think we just 
take Pierce for the correlation.

1659
01:22:31,810 --> 01:22:34,690
Cuz now, like I I really do 
think like if you're drafting 

1660
01:22:34,690 --> 01:22:37,730
now, like what's the difference 
really between dev and 

1661
01:22:37,730 --> 01:22:40,130
Singletary and Kyron Williams? 
I think actually Kyron Williams 

1662
01:22:40,130 --> 01:22:42,450
is like projects better on a 
weekly basis. 

1663
01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:44,650
Probably Karen's a better pick 
than Singleton, yeah? 

1664
01:22:45,010 --> 01:22:46,290
Not saying we were gonna take 
Singletary. 

1665
01:22:46,290 --> 01:22:48,530
We would have taken Wilson. 
But like, I do really like 

1666
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:50,650
getting some of these guys that 
have not been getting drafted 

1667
01:22:50,650 --> 01:22:54,890
all year at this point. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1668
01:22:55,010 --> 01:22:56,490
Josh Kelly is a. 
Good one. 

1669
01:22:56,970 --> 01:23:00,010
Kelly's great. 
Let me pull up. 

1670
01:23:00,010 --> 01:23:02,210
I made a little CHEAT SHEET. 
Some other guys we can talk 

1671
01:23:02,210 --> 01:23:04,410
through. 
While you left Pat, we were 

1672
01:23:04,410 --> 01:23:07,570
talking about Breda. 
Like, Davis wasn't into him, but

1673
01:23:07,570 --> 01:23:11,690
he's a guy who's so clearly the 
RV2 for the Giants in my 

1674
01:23:11,690 --> 01:23:15,490
opinion, and he's literally 
gonna get drafted in 0% of 

1675
01:23:15,490 --> 01:23:18,930
these. 
Yeah, that makes me a good pick.

1676
01:23:19,930 --> 01:23:22,600
Right. 
I don't know. 

1677
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,960
It's hard to talk yourself in 
like he's not gonna have a role.

1678
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,360
I'm not like ignorant to that, 
like he's not gonna have a role.

1679
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:31,000
But he's played all the snaps of
the starters in the preseason 

1680
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,760
and like, behind like Deshaun 
Corbin, I think actually played 

1681
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,040
ahead of Eric Gray this 
preseason game. 

1682
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,760
So it's like Eric Gray was also 
like, not a very good prospect. 

1683
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,240
Yeah, it's kind of like a 
middling receiver type dude. 

1684
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:43,880
Like there's nothing. 
There's no real reason to be 

1685
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:48,840
super excited about him. 
Yeah, I mean the thing about 

1686
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:53,620
Brita, right, is that you do 
have to think through it from 

1687
01:23:54,420 --> 01:23:57,780
the best ball mania perspective 
of you trying to one and 16, 

1688
01:23:57,780 --> 01:24:02,780
trying to get through one team 
out of 16 teams in both weeks, 

1689
01:24:02,780 --> 01:24:07,180
15 and 16. 
So the odds that Burrita does 

1690
01:24:07,180 --> 01:24:09,420
anything and either of those 
weeks are very low, but it's 

1691
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:13,420
like probably going to be the 
only team with him if he does, 

1692
01:24:13,700 --> 01:24:15,900
yeah. 
And his his odds of doing it 

1693
01:24:15,900 --> 01:24:20,420
like aren't that much lower 
than, you know, I think that 

1694
01:24:20,420 --> 01:24:23,660
maybe Taiji Spears is a little 
bit better but like Duce Vaughn 

1695
01:24:23,660 --> 01:24:33,620
just got drafted. 
They're higher than Duce. 

1696
01:24:24,380 --> 01:24:26,980
Like yeah, just wants them 
pretty regularly drafted. 

1697
01:24:27,340 --> 01:24:29,900
I think his odds of doing that 
are about as high as Duce 

1698
01:24:29,900 --> 01:24:31,820
Vaughn's. 
And you'll they're. 

1699
01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:36,020
Look, I like Duce Vaughn. 
I love him. 

1700
01:24:36,020 --> 01:24:37,540
I went to the same college as 
him. 

1701
01:24:37,540 --> 01:24:40,780
We're the same size. 
You know I love Duce Vaughn. 

1702
01:24:41,140 --> 01:24:44,100
But Mike McCarthy has no 
interest in giving that dude 10 

1703
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:45,380
plus touches a game. 
None. 

1704
01:24:45,380 --> 01:24:47,180
Yeah. 
Rico Daddle is the one who 

1705
01:24:47,180 --> 01:24:49,620
rested with the starters and 
Duce Vaughn played like it's. 

1706
01:24:49,970 --> 01:24:51,610
It's Rico Daddle as RB 2, by the
way. 

1707
01:24:52,690 --> 01:24:55,130
Malik Davis played behind Hunter
Lepke. 

1708
01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:57,970
Yeah, yeah. 
It's got to eat that one. 

1709
01:24:58,010 --> 01:25:00,370
Gotta eat that one. 
Then drafting some Malik Davis 

1710
01:25:00,370 --> 01:25:03,210
is not happening. 
Yeah, the only way Daddle I 

1711
01:25:03,210 --> 01:25:05,850
think loses that RB 2 role is if
they really think highly of. 

1712
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:07,880
Rojo, I guess we'll learn that 
tomorrow, right? 

1713
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,920
Like they'll cut Rojo if he's. 
Do they have to make a decision 

1714
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:11,920
on Rojo? 
I don't know. 

1715
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,720
I think when you're suspended 
you don't count against the 50. 

1716
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,120
That's why he did it. 
That's why, cuz he did a little 

1717
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,040
for the two games so he'd make 
the roster. 

1718
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,480
He's actually super fucking 
smart. 

1719
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,760
Your daily Rojo update. 
Damn, we are. 

1720
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,920
We are getting locked out of the
late upside tight ends. 

1721
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:33,560
It's all right. 
We got, we got Everett. 

1722
01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:40,780
I think Everett and like having 
Everett and Injoku makes me feel

1723
01:25:41,020 --> 01:25:43,860
like we can get fucking K dot in
their Durham Smythe and I'm, I'm

1724
01:25:43,860 --> 01:25:47,580
alright with that. 
Yeah, yeah, I think you're 

1725
01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:53,780
right. 
What do you guys wanna do here? 

1726
01:25:54,420 --> 01:25:56,140
I. 
Mean I would take like Kyron at 

1727
01:25:56,140 --> 01:25:57,740
this point. 
I would take one of these 

1728
01:25:58,060 --> 01:25:59,380
undrafted running backs, I 
think. 

1729
01:25:59,380 --> 01:26:01,500
We take taste of mill. 
We need some ceiling at tight 

1730
01:26:01,500 --> 01:26:02,940
end. 
I'm being serious. 

1731
01:26:04,380 --> 01:26:06,700
Taste them over in books. 
Yeah. 

1732
01:26:06,940 --> 01:26:10,100
Yeah, it's fine. 
I mean taste. 

1733
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:12,420
Them's a little after ADP and 
I'm fine with it. 

1734
01:26:12,700 --> 01:26:14,940
This is, yeah. 
And there are there are multiple

1735
01:26:15,300 --> 01:26:17,340
running backs that we can take 
here as well. 

1736
01:26:17,340 --> 01:26:19,660
Like there's not just one that I
think is a target. 

1737
01:26:20,620 --> 01:26:23,020
Is there something to the fact 
that if we've taken 2 tight ends

1738
01:26:23,020 --> 01:26:25,220
with the same bye week, we want 
to count on, taste them, 

1739
01:26:25,260 --> 01:26:29,420
whatever we can take them? 
But that's probably overthinking

1740
01:26:29,420 --> 01:26:34,100
it too much. 
It's like any tight end this 

1741
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:38,980
late is probably not very. 
Their likelihood of scoring 

1742
01:26:38,980 --> 01:26:40,780
points in Week 5 specifically is
pretty low. 

1743
01:26:41,620 --> 01:26:44,660
So yeah. 
Yeah, whatever. 

1744
01:26:45,820 --> 01:26:48,100
But yeah, I mean. 
We just need Tasim Spike to come

1745
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:50,380
at the right time. 
Yeah, people are still doing the

1746
01:26:50,380 --> 01:26:54,940
like like other tight ends being
signed with the Saints, like 

1747
01:26:54,940 --> 01:26:56,940
matters for Tasim. 
It's like Tasim's not playing 

1748
01:26:56,940 --> 01:26:59,300
the preseason. 
It's like, yeah, I'm not shocked

1749
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:03,140
that Tasim Hill package isn't 
being used in the preseason. 

1750
01:27:03,180 --> 01:27:05,240
Like why would it be? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1751
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,400
It'd be so weird if it was 
right, yeah. 

1752
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,240
It would be so bizarre for like.
It would be. 

1753
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,160
It would be straight up bizarre 
if that if that if that was like

1754
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,800
what they would be like, why? 
For what purpose? 

1755
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,440
Yeah, here's the trick plays 
we're planning on using this 

1756
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:21,040
year. 
Yeah, Like, why would they? 

1757
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,560
Do that you guys. 
You guys are not ready to hear 

1758
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,840
about the running back that I'm 
gonna tout, but. 

1759
01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:31,620
Clyde over to Lair is starting 
for the Chiefs and week one? 

1760
01:27:31,620 --> 01:27:34,700
It's like no one even cares. 
Cyron. 

1761
01:27:36,700 --> 01:27:39,100
Clyde over to Lair is just Cyron
Williams, but he's on the 

1762
01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:42,420
Chiefs. 
You can't take you. 

1763
01:27:42,420 --> 01:27:45,260
Guys, you guys are you get this 
is bad and wrong. 

1764
01:27:45,380 --> 01:27:47,940
I mean, it's fine because we 
need a running back, but I just 

1765
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:51,660
want it on the record. 
Like Clyde is not going to score

1766
01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:55,260
in Week 17, Clyde is not scoring
in Week 17. 

1767
01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:57,020
But he is. 
Scoring in week one, we. 

1768
01:27:58,460 --> 01:28:05,500
Can't. 
We can't do it with the week one

1769
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:08,980
point had it sold me cuz we have
Devante, but maybe we'll you. 

1770
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:13,020
Are so right that Karen Will Ch 
is just Karen Williams and the 

1771
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:13,700
Chiefs. 
I hate. 

1772
01:28:13,860 --> 01:28:17,420
I'll get a point. 
That was well, I didn't, So I 

1773
01:28:17,460 --> 01:28:22,500
posted this cry for help tweet 
about Ch yesterday and Adam 

1774
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:25,100
Scherer responded and was like, 
yeah, it's just hard for me to 

1775
01:28:25,100 --> 01:28:27,220
take. 
Came over Karen Williams and 

1776
01:28:27,220 --> 01:28:29,580
that was the first thing that 
came to my mind is I was like 

1777
01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:32,860
these are like the same 
unathletic, shitty, like 

1778
01:28:32,860 --> 01:28:35,340
theoretical past catching back, 
but one of them's on the Rams 

1779
01:28:35,340 --> 01:28:37,860
and one of them's on the Chiefs.
But if Jared McKinnon was on the

1780
01:28:37,860 --> 01:28:40,780
Rams, we would never even 
consider taking Karen Williams. 

1781
01:28:40,820 --> 01:28:42,980
Yeah, that's. 
The thing is, is McKinnon is 

1782
01:28:42,980 --> 01:28:44,740
going to do, it's going to be 
the same thing that happened 

1783
01:28:44,740 --> 01:28:46,180
last year. 
McKinnon is going to be kept in 

1784
01:28:46,180 --> 01:28:49,820
the break glass in case of 
emergency until the weather gets

1785
01:28:49,820 --> 01:28:52,860
cold. 
It they're not 31 year old. 

1786
01:28:52,860 --> 01:28:56,250
Jarek McKinnon. 
Is not playing 35% of the snaps 

1787
01:28:56,250 --> 01:28:57,930
from the Chiefs weeks one 
through 17. 

1788
01:28:58,210 --> 01:29:00,210
He will be. 
If they just get an OK running 

1789
01:29:00,210 --> 01:29:07,330
back, why can't they do? 
That special like, all right, 31

1790
01:29:07,330 --> 01:29:09,170
year old Jerry McKinnon. 
We gotta play this smart. 

1791
01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:11,610
Look, you're the Chiefs. 
You're the Chiefs of running 

1792
01:29:11,610 --> 01:29:14,410
back market is the lowest value 
for any of these guys in the 

1793
01:29:14,410 --> 01:29:16,450
history of the league. 
You can't find someone. 

1794
01:29:16,570 --> 01:29:19,580
Frankly, it is very. 
It is unserious. 

1795
01:29:19,580 --> 01:29:23,500
It it is extremely unserious 
that they have continued. 

1796
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:27,180
They've hosted 5A FC Conference 
championship games in a row and 

1797
01:29:27,180 --> 01:29:31,020
their best performance in any 
one of those games, I mean was 

1798
01:29:31,020 --> 01:29:32,900
Darryl Williams. 
Darryl Williams was the only 

1799
01:29:32,900 --> 01:29:35,340
Chiefs running back who has been
good for them in the playoffs. 

1800
01:29:35,540 --> 01:29:37,900
That's it. 
And Damian a long time ago, 

1801
01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:41,620
Damian in 2018. 
But yeah, it's it's it's 

1802
01:29:41,620 --> 01:29:42,740
unserious. 
It is. 

1803
01:29:44,420 --> 01:29:46,820
I think Mckinnon's good at what 
he does still. 

1804
01:29:46,820 --> 01:29:50,500
But to rely on him at this when 
he's this old, it's just like, 

1805
01:29:51,460 --> 01:29:55,260
it's not that expensive. 
Like strategically deploy Jared 

1806
01:29:55,260 --> 01:29:56,940
McKinnon as the Kansas City 
Chiefs. 

1807
01:29:56,940 --> 01:30:00,100
You're fucked up. 
There's like that shouldn't be 

1808
01:30:00,100 --> 01:30:02,660
part of your plan. 
A shouldn't be. 

1809
01:30:02,660 --> 01:30:05,240
Let's manage Jared McKinnon. 
I. 

1810
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,000
Mean four years ago. 
Literally. 

1811
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,480
He's getting roto world blurbs 
that he has dead legs and he is 

1812
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:14,600
the Chiefs out when they get to 
the the playoffs they're like, 

1813
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,840
they're like the dude we the 
trainers are working 24/7 with 

1814
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,200
him. 
He's you know he's drinking 

1815
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,880
electrolyte juice. 
We we we've got him doing yoga 

1816
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:23,960
just to get those legs like up 
and running. 

1817
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:28,200
Should we start putting some 
some of these girls running 

1818
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,360
backs in the queue here and 
start talking about them? 

1819
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,160
I do want to, I do want to 
defend Kyron a little bit, cuz 

1820
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,080
Suean in the chat was pointing 
out that he's like super 

1821
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,120
unathletic. 
And I actually went through the 

1822
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,760
other day and looked at some of 
like these kind of guys like 

1823
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,800
Kyron, like the Jamal Williams 
of the world and almost all 

1824
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,200
these guys are just as 
unathletic as Kyron Williams. 

1825
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:49,800
If you're going for like guys 
who can kind of like make their 

1826
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:53,960
way as like the coach trusts 
them pass blocker, you know, 

1827
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,000
productive in college is like a 
little bit of versatility like 

1828
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,160
Kyron actually looks like a lot 
of these guys who have mattered 

1829
01:31:00,690 --> 01:31:03,890
as contingency rotational backup
type. 

1830
01:31:03,890 --> 01:31:07,490
So I don't think the athleticism
at this price is really, 

1831
01:31:08,050 --> 01:31:09,730
honestly, I don't think it's 
really a red flag. 

1832
01:31:10,890 --> 01:31:12,410
It would be if he was like a 
fifth round pick. 

1833
01:31:12,410 --> 01:31:14,250
I would be hammering it to 
Davis's point. 

1834
01:31:14,250 --> 01:31:15,330
Then I would be holding it 
against him. 

1835
01:31:15,330 --> 01:31:18,490
But to me that's that's price 
I'm using price, not just bias. 

1836
01:31:18,490 --> 01:31:21,730
OK, All right. 
What are we, what are we like 

1837
01:31:21,730 --> 01:31:23,570
here? 
Ch is still here. 

1838
01:31:25,530 --> 01:31:27,570
I'll throw out four sevens and 
Rico Daddle. 

1839
01:31:28,030 --> 01:31:32,670
No, I'm serious. 
Again, more on seriousness, it's

1840
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:35,430
it's it's like he's under no 
threat of being cut. 

1841
01:31:35,670 --> 01:31:38,470
Pacheco has a shoulder injury. 
McKinnon is 31. 

1842
01:31:40,030 --> 01:31:42,990
I don't even like, I hate that 
you guys are like Sean Tucker 

1843
01:31:42,990 --> 01:31:44,950
went ahead of him. 
The third running back from the 

1844
01:31:44,950 --> 01:31:48,470
Tampe Buccaneers goes off the 
board because we're just that. 

1845
01:31:50,430 --> 01:31:54,710
It is what it is. 
It doesn't make me any happier 

1846
01:31:54,710 --> 01:31:57,460
than it makes you. 
Yeah, my, my only thought is 

1847
01:31:57,460 --> 01:32:00,780
like, I just, I kind of like Ch 
has been kind of getting drafted

1848
01:32:00,780 --> 01:32:02,220
all year maybe. 
I think we're on the clock. 

1849
01:32:02,860 --> 01:32:05,820
So Ch. 
I mean, we kind of have to give 

1850
01:32:05,820 --> 01:32:08,100
Dave a CEH. 
Yeah, we got to give him a CEH. 

1851
01:32:08,180 --> 01:32:09,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1852
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:13,180
I would have been on Rico down 
over the sevens for the record. 

1853
01:32:13,420 --> 01:32:18,940
But yeah, I'd be actually 
curious what percentage CEH has 

1854
01:32:19,100 --> 01:32:22,180
gotten drafted in these cuz that
kind of meaningfully influenced 

1855
01:32:22,180 --> 01:32:24,420
my. 
Feelings about them about. 

1856
01:32:24,910 --> 01:32:29,590
Between 70 and 80%, like not 
everyone, but not not like half.

1857
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:30,910
Undrafted. 
We got it. 

1858
01:32:30,910 --> 01:32:32,790
We got it. 
We got an ADP chaser in the 

1859
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:36,870
chat, Deonte Hardy goes. 
That's a good pick. 

1860
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:39,230
It is a good pick. 
Yeah. 

1861
01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:41,230
This is a good team. 
This. 

1862
01:32:41,230 --> 01:32:43,950
Actually, this is a good team. 
This, this came. 

1863
01:32:43,950 --> 01:32:46,390
This came in altogether, yeah. 
Let's, let's recap the team 

1864
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:49,870
here. 
So we got Jalen Hertz, Anthony 

1865
01:32:49,870 --> 01:32:53,670
Richardson, Christian McCaffrey,
Javante Williams, Kenneth Gain. 

1866
01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:56,310
Well, Roshon Johnson, Karen 
Williams, Clyde Rosie Lair. 

1867
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:57,790
We did. 
We talked about grabbing some of

1868
01:32:57,790 --> 01:33:00,710
these late running backs that 
aren't going to be on a lot of 

1869
01:33:00,710 --> 01:33:02,470
teams. 
Damonte Smith, Drake London, 

1870
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:04,430
Deonte Johnson, Michael Pittman,
Trail and Burks. 

1871
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:09,070
Marvin Mims and Alec Pierce. 
And then David and Joku scoop in

1872
01:33:09,070 --> 01:33:11,110
that value. 
Gerald Everett and Tazenhill. 

1873
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:14,870
Thought this is a good, this is 
a good team like this is just 

1874
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:17,430
straight up. 
I think that so our 2V2 would 

1875
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:22,150
have been downs instead of 
Clyde. 

1876
01:33:22,450 --> 01:33:24,570
And then who did we choose 
Pierce over? 

1877
01:33:24,570 --> 01:33:28,850
Oh, it would've been Jeff 
Wilson, Jeff Wilson and Downs 

1878
01:33:28,850 --> 01:33:31,050
versus Alec Pierce and Kleiner 
Solaire. 

1879
01:33:31,050 --> 01:33:32,490
Which side of that do you guys 
like? 

1880
01:33:34,450 --> 01:33:37,450
I mean, honestly, probably the 
downs. 

1881
01:33:37,690 --> 01:33:39,410
Yeah, I like the downs. 
I like the downs. 

1882
01:33:39,410 --> 01:33:42,490
Jeff Wilson, side better. 
But we got Alec Pierce at, like 

1883
01:33:42,490 --> 01:33:44,570
171. 
Like it's so. 

1884
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,480
It's so late there, but I mean 
that the question, the answer to

1885
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:50,960
that is really does JT get 
traded to the Dolphins or not? 

1886
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,960
It's like, so binary. 
Yeah, it's binary. 

1887
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,000
Yeah, I kind of think JT is 
getting traded. 

1888
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:57,560
I kind of. 
It does. 

1889
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,880
It feels very like Miami flashy 
city. 

1890
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,920
They made the you know, they 
hired Michael Daniel. 

1891
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,200
They trade for Tyreke 
immediately. 

1892
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:08,200
Like it feels feels like 
something they would want to do.

1893
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,440
You know, I I I get. 
I get that. 

1894
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,890
But. 
I don't know. 

1895
01:34:13,890 --> 01:34:18,530
At the same hand, doesn't it 
feel like Jim Merseh might be 

1896
01:34:18,530 --> 01:34:20,450
like really serious? 
Like you've got to give me a 

1897
01:34:20,450 --> 01:34:23,010
first round pick to get Jonathan
Taylor, cuz we might be dead 

1898
01:34:23,010 --> 01:34:25,810
tomorrow, you know, I don't 
know. 

1899
01:34:26,130 --> 01:34:29,330
Yeah, there. 
So here's the here's the way it 

1900
01:34:29,330 --> 01:34:33,370
feels to me, right? 
The cults were like, listen, 

1901
01:34:33,370 --> 01:34:36,130
man, no one wants you, and we're
gonna put you out on the market 

1902
01:34:36,250 --> 01:34:37,690
and you're gonna find out no one
wants you. 

1903
01:34:37,690 --> 01:34:40,180
And then all teams are like, we 
would like JT, yeah. 

1904
01:34:40,180 --> 01:34:44,780
And then they're like, oh, OK, I
guess we should, I guess we 

1905
01:34:44,780 --> 01:34:46,220
should think through this a 
little more. 

1906
01:34:46,660 --> 01:34:49,700
And, you know, the Dolphins send
a deal and the deal's getting 

1907
01:34:49,700 --> 01:34:51,660
rejected. 
I don't know, maybe this, maybe 

1908
01:34:51,660 --> 01:34:55,620
all these reports are nonsense. 
But the fact that they're still 

1909
01:34:55,620 --> 01:34:58,740
clearly like some kind of 
ongoing negotiations with these 

1910
01:34:58,740 --> 01:35:01,660
teams, offers have probably been
exchanged and rejected. 

1911
01:35:02,140 --> 01:35:05,380
It's the type of thing that 
happens before someone gets 

1912
01:35:05,380 --> 01:35:07,060
traded. 
Not to say he's definitely going

1913
01:35:07,060 --> 01:35:08,780
to trade it, but like, this all 
feels like. 

1914
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,080
I, I, I can talk. 
We're gonna get straight. 

1915
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,720
I I agree with that. 
Yeah. 

1916
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,520
I think it's gonna take a second
team getting involved to like, 

1917
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:18,640
drive up the asking price. 
I think we've heard that the 

1918
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,160
Dolphins have made like, a 
legitimate offer. 

1919
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,920
There have been some other 
offers made, but I think not 

1920
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,200
that serious. 
So I mean, that's kind of what 

1921
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,560
happened with McCaffrey in the 
end, getting traded to the 49ers

1922
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,000
as the Rams stepped in. 
That kind of drove up the asking

1923
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,200
price to a point where Carolina 
had to actually pull the 

1924
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:35,960
trigger. 
So. 

1925
01:35:36,430 --> 01:35:38,310
That's the teams I'm looking at,
the Bears, I'm looking at the 

1926
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:40,830
Rams, looking at the Dolphins. 
One of these other teams besides

1927
01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:44,550
the Dolphins needs to like step 
in and start ponying up some 

1928
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:46,230
offer to sort of drive up the 
asking price. 

1929
01:35:46,230 --> 01:35:47,670
And that's probably how it gets 
done. 

1930
01:35:47,710 --> 01:35:53,590
But anyways, good show guys. 
I think we'll wrap up here. 

1931
01:35:53,630 --> 01:35:56,150
I think we'll probably, we 
actually haven't talked about 

1932
01:35:56,150 --> 01:35:58,270
this, but I think we'll do one 
more show next week. 

1933
01:35:58,310 --> 01:36:01,750
Final ADP chasing yeah. 
What are we gonna do in season? 

1934
01:36:01,910 --> 01:36:04,870
Are we just done? 
Are people the people don't get.

1935
01:36:05,540 --> 01:36:06,820
There's no way to feed the 
chase. 

1936
01:36:06,860 --> 01:36:07,780
There's no way to feed the 
chase. 

1937
01:36:07,780 --> 01:36:11,140
What do we? 
I yeah, I don't know I was 

1938
01:36:11,140 --> 01:36:14,740
thinking like every week I think
is probably gonna be tough for 

1939
01:36:14,740 --> 01:36:19,100
us but I would love to do like 
maybe some monthly basketball 

1940
01:36:19,100 --> 01:36:22,140
resurrection ADP chasing like 
we'll do something we'll we'll 

1941
01:36:22,140 --> 01:36:23,700
figure it out internally and get
back to you guys. 

1942
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:26,660
But it'd be fun to like do 
something in season. 

1943
01:36:27,380 --> 01:36:31,380
Maybe not hitting you guys every
week live but we'll I'm sure 

1944
01:36:31,380 --> 01:36:32,700
we'll we'll figure out 
something. 

1945
01:36:33,300 --> 01:36:36,690
It's been. 
It's been a blast, but yeah. 

1946
01:36:36,690 --> 01:36:39,570
Anyways, final week, Final 
stretch Pat. 

1947
01:36:39,810 --> 01:36:41,690
Anything else command a 
legendary upside? 

1948
01:36:41,690 --> 01:36:45,450
Are you doing more running back 
upside write ups for some of the

1949
01:36:45,450 --> 01:36:47,370
third round? 
Yeah, my plan is actually to do 

1950
01:36:47,370 --> 01:36:49,930
those now. 
Okay and write those up cuz I 

1951
01:36:49,930 --> 01:36:53,490
have in the hotel room have 
moved out. 

1952
01:36:53,530 --> 01:36:57,690
All my stuff's in. 
God knows what Murphy's doing 

1953
01:36:57,690 --> 01:37:02,370
over there, I don't look like. 
He's just vibing, dude. 

1954
01:37:02,990 --> 01:37:05,390
Yeah. 
So he's doing the lick thing. 

1955
01:37:05,390 --> 01:37:07,750
I'm like getting a little 
nervous about what he's what 

1956
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:11,750
he's planning to do in the bed. 
So anyway, with all the stuff's 

1957
01:37:12,110 --> 01:37:16,270
on its way to San Diego and 
living out of a hotel room, so 

1958
01:37:16,270 --> 01:37:20,070
my work process is not what it 
usually is, but that is the plan

1959
01:37:20,270 --> 01:37:22,390
for me to write up some more 
legendary scenarios for the 

1960
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:24,310
backs going outside of the top 
two rounds. 

1961
01:37:26,030 --> 01:37:29,790
But yeah, that the, you know, 
the kind of classic legendary 

1962
01:37:30,290 --> 01:37:32,250
running back article that I do 
every year. 

1963
01:37:32,330 --> 01:37:34,530
But looking at the guys in the 
first two rounds is completely 

1964
01:37:34,530 --> 01:37:36,410
free. 
So go check that out at 

1965
01:37:36,410 --> 01:37:39,090
legendaryepside.com. 
Awesome, Dave. 

1966
01:37:39,090 --> 01:37:41,090
So what about for you? 
Are you doing the main event 

1967
01:37:41,090 --> 01:37:43,730
with Silva and Thorman that we 
normally do? 

1968
01:37:43,730 --> 01:37:45,330
It's. 
Tomorrow night, Yeah. 

1969
01:37:45,330 --> 01:37:48,050
So that'll be out. 
That should be this week's take 

1970
01:37:48,050 --> 01:37:51,090
cast. 
And then Karine and I, Thursday 

1971
01:37:51,090 --> 01:37:54,850
morning, are gonna do the show 
we've done the last two years, I

1972
01:37:54,850 --> 01:37:58,910
think. 
And we are gonna do our league 

1973
01:37:58,910 --> 01:38:00,310
winners. 
So we're gonna go through like, 

1974
01:38:00,310 --> 01:38:02,470
basically like you're drafting 
this weekend. 

1975
01:38:02,990 --> 01:38:05,910
This is this year's Josh Jacobs.
Smile Sanders. 

1976
01:38:05,950 --> 01:38:08,270
You know, total total breakout 
guys. 

1977
01:38:08,270 --> 01:38:10,230
So that's coming. 
That's coming this week all. 

1978
01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:11,790
Right. 
Looking forward to you guys 

1979
01:38:11,790 --> 01:38:16,310
breaking down Adam Feelings. 
Breakout case do juices. 

1980
01:38:18,670 --> 01:38:20,710
But yeah, that sounds fun. 
Good stuff, guys. 

1981
01:38:20,710 --> 01:38:23,620
I'll be. 
Yeah, I'll be here next week for

1982
01:38:23,620 --> 01:38:25,780
ADP Chasing. 
We'll have a roll announcement 

1983
01:38:25,780 --> 01:38:27,900
soon. 
Some more details about my In 

1984
01:38:27,900 --> 01:38:31,540
Season content plan, but that'll
probably be sometime at the end 

1985
01:38:31,540 --> 01:38:35,740
of this week. 
Anyways, we will see you guys 

1986
01:38:35,740 --> 01:38:37,300
all next week. 
Thanks again to everyone for 

1987
01:38:37,300 --> 01:38:39,620
hanging out in the chat. 
That's a fun show. 

1988
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:40,380
Peace.