Tonight on ship chasing a little worn winner's circle episode we
had multiple community members have some big scores This past
week in season long best ball tournaments.
We're going to be welcoming in the 3rd place finisher in Best
Ball Mania, Chris Carlton who took home half $1,000,000.
We got a guy, Draco, who finished second in the FFPC
Superflex Challenge. And we're also going to have
Kyle Dvorchak who had a nice finish in the 555 on DraftKings.
I'm Pete with Pat and Gretch. This is ship chasing.
Let's do it. Pat Fryer, Helmo.
This is why. This is why I'm hot.
Anita hand job. Fix your sight.
Jamar and Alpha play chase. You can't handle the heat.
It looks like we're finally at this.
Point here right? All right, guys, it is tempting
to let this week, you know, set our focus on cash games, playoff
best. Ball.
We gotta look. We gotta look at the rearview
Beer, I think. Wasn't it last year this show?
Did we have Zach Toyo on to talk about his win?
Sounds right. And was it?
I thought it was after the main. Event and then we had him on.
But I don't think we had him on until after he also won the
playoff contest. Am I wrong about?
That is that true? Maybe it was.
Maybe. Because he won.
Both and then he and then yeah. That sounds right also, yeah.
Well. You.
Both. You.
Both like compelling points. Last time we gathered here it it
It is wild that a week ago we were watching one of the worst
football games of all time, or about to at this time.
How was your guys's New Year's? Better than that.
That game sucked. I can't believe that the
Thursday night streams are over though.
Like, I mean, early in the year we we were running just God
awful. Multiple potential huge weeks by
literally half a yard and you're like, you know, you're going to
get it, you're going to get a roll.
And we had a couple good weeks in there.
But I mean, it's over. I want to keep, I want to keep
rolling. I want more Thursday night
games. I mean last week was horrible,
but I want more. Yeah, it was on on New Year's
Day. I, I, I, I wrote a tweet about
it, but it did feel like a day where Rodger Goodell really
wanted to squeeze in like 3 week 18 New Year's Day games to just
like stick it to, to college football that.
Would have been great. But yeah, like I said, we're
going to have a, a, a parade of guests swinging by tonight.
Chris Carlton's going to be joining us here in a a second.
How did how did week 17 wrap up for for you guys?
Yeah, I mean, I I guess we can kick off the winner's circle
here by talking about the quarantine auction league, our
dynasty. I defeated Ben.
Get the. Fuck out of here.
Oh yeah, you brought that up last week, that.
That doesn't even know he's on his team.
I brought him I. Did know he's on my team.
He. Pulls it up here in the show.
He's like, oh, you know how I know?
I pay attention to this team. I got DeAndre Swift on it and
I'm like. You don't even fucking care.
So I I sweat the. Thing the whole weekend, because
I'm kind of into it. I don't have a whole lot of
dynasty championships under my this team's kind of fun.
Has Chase Brown, has Bucky Irving, has Tray McBride, some
of my guys that I was on kind of all year and I'm like the teams,
but I don't have any good sweats for Week 17.
It's like how cool got this dynasty team has got these guys
on it. I want to root for these dudes.
My team does really really well, scores 230 points in this
format. It's a lot.
It's hard to score more than that.
And I had a lead coming in because it's weeks 15 to 17
combined and the regular season average.
And Pat rattled off 240 something. 2:45.
Yeah, it was. Not that anyone's keeping track,
it sounds. Like I was sweating too.
You act like you're the only one sweating this thing.
Of course that's sweating it. You're a Dijon.
I had Drake London, I had Laporta and Kittle.
So yeah, it ended up being a very strong finish.
But yeah, Marvin Mims went nuts. That was one of the ones that
was. I had Chase Brown who didn't
score TD and hurt himself and then that ended up leading to OT
because they were going to kneel it out and kick a field, a field
goal. And I was like, and I also had
Sutton. And so at the time I was like,
all right, well, if they go to OTI got Chase Brown and Sutton,
but but Brown like legit hurt doesn't play.
Sutton doesn't catch another ball.
You had Higgins and Mims in that game.
So that was like a huge turning point on Saturday.
But then I got a McBride performance Saturday night and
Bucky and Baker and I, Jaylen McMillan, I had the stack of
Tampa, Tampa Bay stack. So then I was back ahead
meaningfully and and like look like I.
Thought pretty yeah, I thought you're going to win too before
because the the Falcons did a little bit at the end to get I
needed Drake London and Bijon to have like good games, maybe not
amazing games, but good. And it looked like that wasn't
going to happen. Then they did so.
That was all your guys dude. That's what was killing me.
So you're you mentioned in our chat that your QBs were hurt and
they were all you had is Jordan love and he had like no points
they. Didn't hurt they they were bad.
It was like Deshaun Watson and someone else bad and fields.
Yeah, but you had love and he had single digit points and he
was your only quarterback and then he they come all the way
back and almost win that game against the Vikings.
You had Jerry Judy in the afternoon window who had 12
catches and like all of them were in the fourth quarter.
That game was nothing until the end of the game.
Then you got the late, the Sunday night, late production
out of London particularly. They kept converting 4th downs.
And then on, on fucking Monday night, you got both Kittle and
Laporta just like rattle off all these after my team was done to
come back from like 100 points. I'm I'm annoyed.
Well, well, as much as it would be fun to talk about this
dynasty league, it would be better to talk to someone who
won a half, $1,000,000 as much as I would.
What's up to listen you guys go? It is Chris.
Carlin, Congrats. AKC skeleton man.
Welcome to the show, dude. It's been that surreal.
I don't think it's even hit me yet, but still got a ways to go
to catch up to Pat and I think I have to do that five more times
so. You're still chasing Korain,
Yeah, you gotta have five more 3rd place finishes.
Yeah, how does it feel to win 1/5 of a terrain or?
Whatever. It's only a fourth, guys.
Look at that and talk about a flex coming on the ship chasing
stream in the year of the running back with a Derrick
Henry framed poster over your shoulder, man.
I feel school owned right? Had to make sure this was in the
background but big Titans fan so you know, Henry being on the
team too really just put it over the top was great.
Henry and the the ship chasing Slappy McMillan guy so.
Well, yeah, what is it like to to watch ship chasing and then
draft Eric Henry? Like what's the feeling it gives
you? I mean it kind of feels like a
betrayal every time, you know, I don't think that like like over
8 or 9% of any of those like top three round running backs
throughout the entire thing. But and especially it was a
little bit more balanced on underdog DraftKings.
I just got absolutely naked. I think I advanced like 4 total
teams because everyone was 0 RV or something crazy like that.
So the commitment's the bits there.
This one just had to sneak through but.
It's a hero RB build. We we support that, yeah.
And look at that. So I did, I did pull up the the
team here and we talked about that in the summer like you pair
picks that are not, you know, typically paired like the
Derrick Henry drafter normally is it the Bucky Irvig drafter,
the George Kittle drafter as it necessarily always.
Seems you got, you got. Bucky and Doonsay and Jalen
McMillan all on this roster. Yeah, I just got to jam as many
rookies in there to balance out the age gap with Zach Ertz bring
it down. Dude, we got, I mean, there's
lots to ask you about, but I do want to start with that one.
The Sunday night, the Zach Ertz touchdown.
I I think you were in the discord and and you replied to
someone you were like, do not slander Zakhar.
So I was like, oh boy. Yeah.
Good for you. So I think all that whole day,
you know, like I thought I was kind of live with Higgins and
Henry coming in, you know, Buck using a smash spot.
So I was feeling pretty good at running back, you know, I just
needed a couple good performance.
I was out of, you know, Monroe, London, something out of Jameson
or Rome or not Rome. I guess he already played.
But just like anything from the guys that you'd expect to do
well, and I thought it was live for maybe like top 30 or
something like that. And then, you know, you get the
Juba out and Connor out and all of this.
Everything's just like breaking the right way.
So I'm kind of feeling good Sunday.
And then, you know, this whole team basically played Sunday
night and Monday night. So it's just like plummeting
down, down, down this whole time and just getting mad.
And I end up going to the bar with a buddy Sunday night.
And Jane didn't have a very good first half.
London, I think had like one or two catches, something like
that. And the game just kind of like
popped off in the second-half and just standing there before
the last Zachary touchdown and I turned my friend over, like, if
he catches this, I'm going nuts tonight.
It's gonna be a little, actually a little, I think.
And then of course, I thought he dropped it for a second, 'cause
he kind of like tumbled over it. But.
Yeah, that's incredible. That's awesome.
So real quick, are you are, are you based in in Tennessee?
How did you become a a Titans fan?
So I'm in Chicago, but so I guess the the long story is, you
know, my dad's a big Steelers fan and you know, your dad or
whoever brainwashed you to become like their favorite
teams. The best team got root for them.
And I think the first ever game I were watching was a Titan
Steelers divisional playoff game.
And being a little shit kid, the first game I ever watched was my
dad's team losing. So that then became my favorite
team and I've been cursed with like 20 plus years of losing
after that. So.
So you're responsible for the Titans failures?
So I didn't realize how much of this team was on Sunday and
Monday, but you both your quarterbacks like several of
your receivers and and tight ends.
So you you say you're tumbling way down, but you I mean, up
until Sunday night, you were kind of just meaning you have a
quarterback score. You're kind of just like, we'll
see what happens. Yeah, I, I mean, that's
definitely the logical way to think about it.
But you know, like as you're watching yourself fall down,
you're not like thinking about it like that.
But yeah, that's definitely, definitely makes sense.
How far down any of you was? Like how far down were?
You. Maybe like 200 ish?
I think so. Because you already had the
Henry score and you had the Higgins score, but then you're
down to like 200 and then you climb all the way up to finish
top five. That's that's pretty cool.
It was it was like going into the Monday night game for sure.
And, and I bet one of the biggest questions you had was
like, will I have enough wide receiver firepower, especially
after the Rome one where you're kind of looking and you really
do need a couple 20 balls from the back end of your roster?
And it's like, well, yeah, Jameson Williams and Jaylen
McMillan, they could have a good game, But you don't really
envision, you know, A2 touchdown game for Jaylen McMillan in Week
17. Yeah, the Jaylen McMillan lock
box was all time. Him and Jamo coming through for
the squad as the young receivers was pretty crazy.
And then Jamo didn't even get there with like actual receiving
touchdowns too. It was like the junk trick play
stuff right at the beginning. So that was kind of fun too.
Just like instantly alive, not just like oh Jamo please catch 1
pass. It's not a 5 yard crosser.
It is funny how like basketball goes where you have Drake
London, you have George Kittle and it's like the heroes are
Jaylen McMillan and Zach Ertz you know, it's just like, it's
not like you didn't have a good 5 receiving a good tight end to
to put up points, but neither guy hits the roster.
Well, and so. You finished third with Almond
Raw barely hitting your lineup. I mean, London could have like
pretty easily hit it. You got a couple.
I mean, this is the worst score on your flex.
Like Kittle could have hit it and the guys in first and second
were chasing Jefferson teams that didn't have those guys hit
their line UPS either, correct? It was wild and heroes, McMillan
and Pearsall, but Zach Ernst. Finally, yeah.
So yeah, Jayden Daniels to ertz with the London bring back.
Jared Goff to a Monroe and Jamo with the George Kittle bring
back. Is Week 17 all that matters,
Chris? Week 17 is definitely all that
matters. Beautiful.
I think I can definitively say that now.
After this, yeah. Listen, you can draft running
backs, but as long as you're you're saying week 17.
Right. Yeah, you got to be correlated.
Yeah, that's right. What was this a team?
I remember when we asked Pat on on his crazy team, was this a
team that you had earmarked along the way in the fantasy
playoffs of like, oh, this one might have some juice?
I'm starting to get excited about it.
Or did it just come out of nowhere once it made the the
finals? I think he did pretty well in
the regular season, but none of my teams are really crushing it.
You know, being mostly 0 RV build.
This one is a little bit less so, but so this was one of the
stronger ones going in. But you know, you just kind of
like prey gets through. I think this barely got through
only because of the like the junk time at the end of that
Dolphins San Fran game where a Chan hit the monster run and
then Kittle got another catch or two on the drive after that.
Wow, wow. Yeah.
Because I was. Looking at your running backs,
like Taiji really bubbled up in the playoffs, which was helpful,
but he didn't do a ton. Algier didn't do a ton.
Obviously Bucky was awesome. Derrick Henry's awesome.
I think it's funny you took Taiji, by the way, as a as a
Titans fan. Derrick Henry leaves.
I'm going to get Henry and I'm going to get the new guy.
But Aaron Jones had a stretch where he wasn't very good.
I mean, you're like really? I mean, it was Henry and Bucky.
Jones was good early and I mean, he had some other good games,
but also like your receivers don't look like like you have
Josefash and McCaffrey at the back end.
They don't have like like dudes that didn't have an amazing full
season. It's not like the deepest
regular season team. So it doesn't surprise me that
as you were just saying like it, it kind of needed a little help
to get through. Yeah, trying to like get through
O'Hare to go see my parents, all that, and I'm watching on my
phone. Like come on, just give me one
more kiddle catch. Get through here.
In week 14. You were sweating that week 1516
or week 1616. Oh, that's we need.
We had the 8 Chan. We, we wanted the 8 Chan run on
our on our sweat to get to the final and we got it.
But then we didn't have enough to get us over it.
But that got you in. Yeah, and around the.
That was the semi I misunderstood.
I thought you were saying you needed something in week 14 just
to make it out of your. Pod.
Or out of your initial. I think I think 1415 are pretty
clean. 16 was the hairy one. Got it.
Yeah, and at the thing too, you know, you look at A Monroe,
Drake, Len and T Higgins, those guys all had really nice floors
throughout the year, right? Like they were always giving you
some score. They weren't necessarily going,
you know, for 30 balls, but like you always were, were in the mix
there. And then it's just like, you
just give me enough to get to the playoffs and make some
noise, right? Tripping a chair kind of thing,
yeah. And that's that's what like, I
mean, Pete, you've been doing the Week 17 stuff for years, you
know, multiple years now. I mean, that's what this team
story is, right? Like you were just saying with
all the stacks. But I mean, yeah, a good team in
the regular season, but it wasn't like the best team in the
in the. And it's and it's so like at the
beginning of the year, how many times I even remember on this
show, like with with Ricky Pearsall, Pat, like people just
could not wrap their heads around how could this guy
possibly matter? And it's like, well, a rookie on
a good offense can often matter. And.
It's a long season. Like you, you asked.
Someone if Ricky Pearsall would have mattered 3 weeks ago.
They've been like, obviously not right, but it's.
Been like, no way. Yeah.
But Chris, you just said it a second ago.
Like McMillan and and Williams coming through for the I mean,
Pierce, all's not on this team, but you get these young players
who have the week 17 back, you know, back weighted production
like this. Nailed it.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that really is
massive. Got lucky that obviously the two
games kind of went off too, but. Did Yoshiba score for you in 16?
I know on my Yoshiba 16 team that advanced he he scored for
me. I think so.
He might have been the flex. I'm not positive.
OK, Yeah, I think he had like 16 or something there, which again
it goes back to like you use these random scores, you know,
on on your team. Did when did you draft this
team, Chris? This was late August I think.
I think it was actually multi tabling.
I went back and looked so definitely it might have been
the star. Not that I don't know.
Just like nagging players in both quarterbacks.
Incredible random, random points that you use Pete Leonie's in
his manifesto, he looked at dead players, right?
And there's no dead players here.
And now he defined it by players that scored zero in Week 17.
So when he does that next year, this will show too because of
McCaffrey and Henry. Is Henry out?
Maybe he's banged up. No, I think he's got a 0.
Yeah, and Mccaffrey's healthy, but so there's a couple guys
that work, but I mean, most of this team is pretty healthy.
And so that's definitely. Helpful.
Yeah, that's big. Yeah.
What was you know, I know I'm gonna, I'm gonna provide you a
safe space here because every, you know, a lot of people be
like, you can't complain. You won half $1,000,000.
But like the mentals that come along with being in contention
to win 1.5 to being in the mix for 2nd place to actually being
in 2nd and then dropping like, how are you handling those
swings in that sweat on on Monday night?
Or was it truly just like, man, this is all gravy.
I'm just going to enjoy what happens.
I mean there's definitely a little bit of both.
You know, I I went into it, I think with a good mindset of
there's a very good chance I finished top five and my floor
is like 200 grand here, which is insane, like incomprehensible
amount of money for playing fantasy football.
And as the night goes on, you know, and I'm basically just
fading Ricky Pierce all our need, like two more catches from
J MO and then it started to be more like, OK, this is within
reach can actually do this. And then there's a little bit of
disappointment involved too. But I mean, as soon as it ended,
you know, it's still amazing. Hit was really happy about it,
obviously, so can't be complaining at all.
But there's definitely an aspect of like this was within reach.
Yeah. What?
What did you need to take it down specifically?
Like what were you sweating towards the end?
It was the big pure Sol fade. I think the guy in second had
pure Sol and then the 1st place team had Kittle hit his line up
at the very end on that last drive to boost him up a little
bit. Yeah.
So you're you're an anti sweating kittle even though you
had it? Right.
If Kittle was splashed then he could have got into my lineup
and I could have gotten second, but I was sweating Kittle to get
to 1st so it was kind of a weird it.
It, it was a weird sweat because I, I was experiencing the same
thing because like on my team, the finals, I had the Piersol,
the Kittle, the Purdy. And you like want that element
to go off. But then you're like, shit, all
of these Jameson Williams, all these Gibbs teams are coming and
you want two things to happen. You're like, I want this game to
go off for the points, but I also can't have the other side
of it chasing me down. Oh yeah, and neither team could
get any semblance of a stop either.
It was just who's gonna have the ball last and score The last
touchdown here is gonna be hugely impactful.
But then it ended up being Gibbs, which I don't think
anyone in the top ten had. But as soon as that happened,
it's death, obviously. But.
I was glad they're. Hunting me down with Gibbs.
I would have been pretty brutal to see that happen, but.
Yeah, it's just crazy for these two teams to get that score from
Pierce Hall in that in that final week.
The 24.7 is just a wild score for him.
Yeah, I mean, if you, if he gets, I mean, I guess I was just
thinking in my head like, well, if he gets 15 like you're,
you're in an incredible position.
Like you said, if Kittle scores more, he's about to hit your
flex. He was right behind almond raw
so he could suddenly is helping you.
But if if Pierce all gets 15 and presumably the 9 some other
niner scores and it was the way you're just talking about it,
you're like, well, does some other niner then leapfrog you
right. Like I mean, was like Debo
anywhere on here or I mean? I don't think so.
Debo was the only one I wasn't really sweating.
OK, was there Gorendo hanging out behind you?
There was a Gorendo team I think desely far back.
Gorendo would have had to really smash, but an issue if I
remember. Yeah.
So there's a Debo team in 12, but you know so far although a
Debo Gibbs team. So that did this team really
charged up? Yeah.
But Debo was quite a ways away from hitting that lineup.
Yeah, yeah. So.
That's all points went to Debo. Yeah, yeah.
That would have been a safe place to store for sure.
I'm just surprised that a Mens Higgins team wasn't top five
being correlated to and Mens being the late round smash guy.
Yeah, yeah, that is true with that week 17 there.
Yeah. What?
There was only two teams that had it in the 6th place team.
But man, this is what killed them.
You know, having the opportunity cost of not having like another
early pick, you know, with Alan, I think probably ends up really
hurting there just in the finals specifically.
Yep. It's actually if you're around.
It is crazy going through these teams.
We've just been tabbing through even like the, you know, fast
farts or whatever. How many dead players are on
some of these teams? You know, you get fields.
Benson, Roman. Wilson.
That's about one St. Yeah, finishes second.
Like has to have a Jaden Daniels score.
Yeah, crazy. So what the whole?
The whole second-half of the year has to have like week 14
took a zero at quarterback. I mean like this this.
Team. Yeah, What was the 1st place
roster? Again, I just wanna see the. 1st
place is here. It had it was like you when you
had the Daniel Jones and Tom Brady scores and you could only
use one having the Burrow and and Brock, like if Brock doesn't
get hurt, Brock is jumping the Burrow Mayfield teams because I
think he scores on that last drive that Dobbs scores on and
he's hitting, hitting, hitting lineups with like a 3738 point
score. Man, it's crazy.
What what? What was the celebration like?
I know you mentioned you were at the bar Sunday night.
You elected to stay in on Monday night.
Did you then go celebrate once the scores had settled?
Honestly, there wasn't really a whole lot of celebration.
You know, I had had a little bottle of champagne I cracked
and just kind of FaceTime with a couple of buddies, but saved the
celebration for New Year's Eve. Went out with the group people
and did it that way, but kept it pretty low key.
Are you gonna do a Did you play it like with them Fareed where
you didn't tell them you had just won 500,000 because.
Then they were gonna want you. Picking up bottle service on on
New Year's Eve. No, so only only a handful of
them know. I didn't even.
I did do the Fareed thing where I haven't told my family yet.
I'm not sure if I will or not. Amazing.
Well, on any any other plan. Someone in the chat earlier said
they already saw you in in a draft.
You were drafting something here earlier, just back on the grind.
Yeah, I mean, gotta gotta keep the donations rolling back to
the community so a little bit. Come on.
I picked the wrong one in fairness.
I do remember that. I was like does it say $5.25?
But either way, like your practice Rep did.
You push the plate on the $5 bits there.
When she realized. No, I don't know.
I don't. Feel that anytime you do a
little mitten from now on, people are going to be like, oh
he's doing little mitten like this guy want.
To have a. Million.
No, I don't know. You got to own it.
I'm in there. I'm in the.
Mini smells I'll be. In the Cow 5 next year,
whatever. Yeah, you just play it all.
Yeah. Now, now that you're on, you've
been on ship chasing. You know, I had a ship chaser
tell my family that I was about to win.
So maybe that's how your family finds out is the ship chase.
What? What was this story, Pat?
One of my sister's coworkers husbands.
So. This.
Yeah, Someone she works with, her husband was like, you know,
your brother's about to win $2,000,000 and she's like, I
didn't know that. What are you talking?
About was this during the like post game cancellation in?
The Yeah, this was during the weeks of the game, you know?
I've played. You told us this then, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I vaguely remember this.
That's that's wild. Because when I called her, she
was like, hey, so. Told me hey brother that I love
so much. So, so payouts hit earlier
today. Are you leaving it in for a
little screenshot equity, a little playoff basketball
liquidity? Or did you, did you yank it off
already? I'm going to yank off almost all
of it. I'll I'll Max out the the
gauntlet. I'll do that maybe a couple of
big bins or whatever it's called and that'll be my celebration
donation back to the community. Those and that's APCC playoff
challenge ones are always fun too.
So we'll actually do that. We'll be.
Doing that.
River Hops here wants to know how many teams you drafted I
assume in basketball mania. I did 150 in BB Ave. and then
150 on DraftKings too. I guess total probably like 700
and change but maxed out the two main ones.
And if you had not had that third place finish, would you
have lost money on the year? Definitely yeah I got actually
smoked on DraftKings but so the 3rd place really saved the year
for sure. It sounds like yeah in.
Fact that'll that'll happen when you wake up.
Probably good for the year. That's right.
So what you'll you'll do some playoff best ball and then
you'll you'll be back in those in those streets ready to go
next year. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. Gotta be firing up.
Yeah. Here's what I want to drop.
Oh boy, there you go. No rush.
That's how we know. That's how we know you're not
creating content, Chris. I'm like, let's probably gave it
till I put the Super Bowl, you know?
Yeah, You got the 700 teams. Did you have anyone like Pat's,
Taekwon Thornton that was on this team that you didn't really
have a lot of other exposure to? Or is it mostly guys that you
were? Exposed to Zach Ertz, I think I
only had like 3 iterations of throughout all the BBS Amazing.
And he hit the line up. I don't think I had a lot of
Henry teams, maybe like 5 or 6, but wow.
So. It's a lucky combination for
sure. Even with the frame jersey, you
weren't drafting him a whole lot.
I know it's it felt sacked once you're.
Telling him to defeat him. Yeah.
That's a guy. Who were the guys that you were
really, really high on that you know, also hit this team you had
a lot of? I had a lot of Rome.
I had a lot of McMillan. So ship chaser.
You said. Everything this is being the
curse is broken, by the way. I was thinking about that, yeah,
the curse might be. Broken Chris, can you?
Can you stay? Can you say roll the clip for
me? Roll the clip.
Jalen McMillan is my official guest, University of Washington.
A touchdown for. Macmillan go dogs.
There it is, there it is. One, one last time for 2024
draft season right there. What do you, if you don't mind
me asking? What do you, what do you do for
your your day job? Have you contemplated giving
your two weeks notice and becoming a full time baseball
professional? No, I have not thought about
launching my version of Legendary Upside or whatever
Liam's calling his site, you know.
So. Really beat bestball.com
dropping sip. Yeah.
I told them I'm going to take a little bit of time off, just a
couple long weekends, but I do, it's like a mix of finance
consulting, kind of do evaluation work for companies,
bankruptcy or litigation related.
So we'll go ahead and help them figure out how much the company
A was worth after Company B does something to them or something
along those lines. But.
I think you just figured out how to transport that over to
Bestball. You kind of give assessments of
people's teams halfway to the year and tell them if it has any
value left or if the team is just completely bankrupt and and
dead on arrival. That could be that could be your
great, your business idea. There you go.
Yeah, could work. Yeah, we need to bring you one
when we're saucing teams this. Is.
Yeah, get. Into it build a model this team.
Is now worth negative $4.30. Sounds like the value of the
entire draftings portfolio right there.
Incredible. Well, dude, it was super fun
having you hang out in the in the Discord on, on Sunday night
when you were sweating that it was, it's this weird dynamic
where everyone's sweating their own things.
Lots of people had different things and that everyone just
kind of rallied and coalesced around your sweat where it's
like, OK, you're sweating for a billion and a half dollars.
Let's all put our collective energy towards getting you some
Jameson Williams catches here. So that was a very fun
experience on Monday night. Yeah, that was really cool.
I really appreciate that from everyone because obviously, like
you said, everyone has their own sweats rooting it for different
things. So it was cool.
Didn't nice for everyone just kind of rally around that for
sure. Well, awesome, I think I tagged
you on on Twitter if people want to follow follow you there.
Is there anything else you'd you'd like to plug or shout out
here? I don't think so.
Thank you guys for having me on. Yeah, man, good luck.
We'll see you in the streets, in the little mittens, the big
boards, all all that good stuff. Awesome man.
We'll catch you later. There goes Chris Carlton, 3rd
place finisher in Basketball mania.
Incredible, incredible stuff, love.
To see it. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's the
dream. Yeah, you know, we couldn't.
I, I still haven't seen the the winner come out of the woodwork
anywhere. I don't know if they had a
Twitter account, if they've done anything.
So, you know, Carlton, same with Fast farts.
Has Fast Farts come forward and revealed himself themselves?
Not that I know of. I have not.
What was your name? Would you?
I think. You would what would.
That was the other big sweat is everyone who didn't know Chris
was rooting for Fast Farts because they all wanted Josh
Norris to have to do advertisements saying Fast Farts
the winner of Basketball Mania 5 over and over again.
Makes sense? There you go.
Oh yeah, this is yeah. People have started to do some
digging into these teams. Fast Farts drafted four teams
the day BBM opened and then stopped drafting.
No. And then one fucking second
place. Yeah.
Oh, my goodness. Let's see here, Pat.
I know we had Kyle. Is Kyle set to come on?
Yeah. Because I think Kyle's coming
on. I just sent him the link.
Pete, talk about your team a little bit and you're sweat.
You're, I mean, you finished 10th in the chow chow.
It's pretty. Soon yes, but the ship chasers
are are bad at me because we had multiple shift chasers finish in
the top ten of the chow chow. Actually three of us did
Jonathan achievers and myself were all top 10.
Jonathan actually had three or two top 15 teams.
But yeah, I it was a fun night because I didn't think I had
much going. And then I had Pierce all and
Kittle who both ended up hitting my lineups and I was a little
tilted 'cause I had the Brock and I was like, man, if Brock
doesn't get hurt and one of those goes there, I was like,
I'd probably jump up, you know, into, you know, 5th or 6th place
there. So we had a little sweat.
And yeah, shout out to Achievers and and Jonathan there for for a
nice finish as well. All right, Kyle Dvorchek here,
fresh off of a nice finish in the 555.
Where did you finish? 7th I believe 7th place.
Very nice, very nice. Do you do you have the did you
post the roster on on Twitter? I posted the starting roster
like not the full thing. Embarrassed about how weak your
bench was? It was not a good team.
Like, we, we ran good getting to where we got to at every stage.
Like it was one of those teams where you're like, like, who
cares? I'm missing like Deonte Johnson
wasn't doing anything anyways. And like, oh, Dave Montgomery's
a backup running back and you lose half your team.
And you realize, like all the guys who project for like, I
mean, Dave Montgomery projected for more.
But like, oh, Jalen Waddle, like, oh, the Dolphins weren't
doing anything anyways. They don't even throw to wide
receivers. Having a lot of guys who just
project to play some football really helps.
It helps you more than you think.
We had all those dudes on this team.
Yeah, Dave Montgomery, Jalen Waddle, Gabe Davis, Trevor
Lawrence, I'm sure forgetting others.
So you really did just hide the bench.
You. Just you.
Just well, I was going to say with your.
Humor, like your tweets throughout the year are mostly
like, yeah, I drafted a lot of this guy who's doing really
terrible. My God dude, they did so well.
What was the what was the structure, the pod structure,
the 555 like? How many teams did you have to
beat each week? I think it was the first one
was. Like.
The yeah, the initial I, I maybe it will pull it up.
The initial one was top 2. The final one was first out of
seven. I don't know what the middle one
was. I think it was somewhere in the
middle of like a 12 to 14. There you go.
And what was? Six to advance week 15 because I
maybe it was more than six. It might have been two of a
larger number than that. Two of 12 or two of 10.
Two of 12 Yeah, yeah, that you're right.
You're. Right.
Yeah, you're. Right, yeah, 'cause I had I had
one were buying part beat me out not.
So, and how much was up top in this one, Kyle?
Either 1 or 1.5 million, I think 1.
One OK, And that's why Rasif says Rotoworld was shaking in
its boosters and. Lost the analyst what?
I don't play over on DK lot, what are the the ownership
percentages are just in the final.
Correct. Yeah, yeah.
So there weren't a lot of chase teams.
That's interesting. And there was like the top was
being. Weird.
There was very little, very little Gibbs.
He was like 7% in this. So like three teams out of 38
had him, I think, which it was insane.
But I wonder, I mean, there was just one the the final round was
one out of seven. So you had a lot of ways to get
from the final, like the penultimate round was one out of
seven. So you had a lot of avenues to
get from week 16 to week 17. If you didn't have Taylor A1 and
there's only seven teams in your pod.
Taylor wasn't that good this year, so a decent chance you
didn't face any and two, if you had Connor, Jamir Gibbs, which
it was, it made sense to get those guys there.
You, you hang, you know, you're hanging tight, right?
Because those guys both got high 20s or maybe even 30 points in
the second to last round. So although having Taylor in
like the larger field stuff was a guy that really helped you
advance from 16 to 17 in the smaller field, you probably just
didn't run into him. Like, I, I mean, I know I was
the only one who had Taylor in my little pot of seven.
There you go. How many?
How many of these bullets do you have in this contest?
This is the only one I had in the 555 actually.
That's really yeah, yeah. Wow, wow, and.
This is I was going to. Draft a few of them and it
filled way quicker than I thought.
I thought I would get to draft it in the final week and it also
filled like 10 days ahead or five days ahead or something and
I didn't get to fire even three teams.
I'm not super familiar with the DraftKings ADP or what it was
either. Was Higgins the third round pick
or was it's? Probably wattle or wattle.
Where does the port go? Over there.
Maybe, maybe could have been Laporta too, I don't know.
No way to find out. Unfortunately, why didn't she?
Was all. One much later over there.
Yeah, you're under interrogation here.
How did you end up with four third round picks?
How do? You think of the change of
mediocre players like we just don't get it.
I just love that Taylor and LaPorte, like I mean, obviously
elite tied in was the dominant strategy this year and Jonathan
Taylor was the the second round running back you needed.
That's what I learned. Yeah, it had to be something
like Chase Taylor, La Porta WADA or WADA Laporta.
And then Higgins would be like. Higgins at 5:00.
Yeah. And then there there's Rico.
Tell me you work at Leg Up without telling me you work at
leg Up. So you got to have that.
Hit the line up. Hey, man.
Help to get there? Really.
Uh, you? Know literally exactly what Pat
wrote about too. Is like you just you don't have
to actually be good, you just got to be good enough.
Maybe 13.8 in the final. The rest of my team will take
care of it. Let's go run for 100 yards a
couple times. That's all I'm asking.
He did it. Did you, did you have a sweat
from 15 to 16? Because I feel like one of the
defining storylines of the fantasy playoffs was Jonathan
Taylor, you know, bungling that touchdown in Week 15 and then
going scorched Earth 1617 for a bunch of teams that didn't get
him there. Yeah, none of the sweats were
too horrific to get there, but they were.
They were all close. Like I didn't.
I didn't have the best team by far because like 3 or 4 weeks
left in the season, I was running thin on active players.
So I I know in the one where you finished, you needed to finish
top two or at least both of them where you need to finish top
two. I mostly had it wrapped up well
before like the final Monday night game or whatever.
But none of them were blowouts. Like none of them were spots
where I was like, oh, I clearly have this locked up until maybe
the final game. Yeah, that's.
Beautiful. And then, yeah, what?
What? I guess you had Laporta going,
so you did you did you charge a good bit on Monday?
No, the game scored 60 points. I had one player.
OK. That was the only one you added
that game, All right. Yeah, I mean, I had Dave
Montgomery. He didn't play and that was it.
So. Yeah, goodness.
I forget who's, I don't remember who's on the call.
It was Aikman and whoever broadcast with Aikman.
Joe Buck, right? Yeah, it was Joe Buck was like,
oh, look at this Troy first game of the year where they score 5
consecutive touchdowns to open the game and I only have one
player. I'm like oh thanks, thanks Joe
Buck. Really like hearing that buddy.
Who you? You had another tight end in
your starting line up, right? And then you.
Have. Oh yeah, the flex is in the
picture here. It's Jono, I think.
Jono OK, Because that was a huge pick, yeah.
That was bad for you, right? Sorry, God.
Wasn't, weren't you in a similar sort of sweat with Chris with
with as he had with Kittle, where like you wanted him to do
nothing or a lot? Yes, absolutely.
There was a team like one spot behind me that had 0 or maybe it
was a four and a four tight end and Laporta.
So they are cracking the line up at at 4.1 points, which is well
before Laporta was cracking my line up, which happened at like
12 or 10 or something like that. Whatever Jonny's points were at
10 points. So they get to gain 6 points on
me and then we move up together and they they had fewer than six
points to go to pass me. So yeah, no points scored by
Laporta. 8th, let's just call it 8th place.
It might not have been at the time. 8th place doesn't pass me
medium amount of points scored by Laporta 8 passes me, but I
don't make any headway on the teams ahead of me.
And then starting at like 12, if I remember correctly, I start
making headway on the teams ahead of me again.
So yeah, it was like the the really dumbest sweat like
luckily I wasn't really sweating it with anyone.
But like trying to explain that it's like you're at the bar with
your friends and you're like, well, actually here we're
looking at a range of 0 to 4.1 is it's good.
It could be better, but. It's good.
Laporta's good again. He's good again.
I know, yeah. Luckily the Laporta touchdown
just skipped that range entirely so I didn't have to like smite
that. Out.
I was. Thinking yeah, then Shady was
in. Someone was asking how Shady
finished because we did a stream that night with Shady and he I
think finished around 15th or so, if I'm remembering right.
OK, yeah, he needed, he needed a lot of Gibbs.
So the Gibbs touchdown at the end I think was somewhat.
Helpful the the that game had to have been so surreal for people
who had Lions pieces, because the entire refrain from the
announcers the whole game and a lot of people watching is like
when are they going to pull the starters?
Like when are they going to be dealt with this?
And you know everyone that has Javis said and Ivod Rod, I was
just like, shut the fuck up and let Dan Campbell cook right now.
All right. I kid you not, if you go to the
DraftKings app right now, go to recent to look at your past
lineups and filter to best ball no contest in the last seven
days. It doesn't work.
Wow, really? So I'd have to like, yeah, I'd
have to like log on to desktop and like go to my pull my CSV
for it. Stupid ass.
Incredible. Oh man, it's nice to see how
that the money hasn't changed your loyalties.
You know, you're still, you're still going to roast them.
I'm trying really hard to talk about how great your baseball
product is, where I want a bunch of money, but you're making it
impossible. Yeah.
Make that product better. Yeah, the rest of the show is
just going to be us trying to guess the rest of his roster
that was. I could probably, I could
probably rattle them off if I needed to.
I think I get close. Who are the other quarterbacks
on this team? I was a Drake made team and
Trevor who was not playing, who hadn't been playing.
OK, Yeah, you have a. Lot of shitty players on this
team dude. I told you lost a good team.
Yeah. Rough year for ship chasing when
Kyle makes the cut for the winner's circle with this team.
I can pull up my mini schnauzer five team.
It finished 98 to be one of the best ones we had in the discord.
There you go. There you go.
We're going to have Draco's going to pop on here in a
second. We so we do.
We're showing love to all three of the sites.
We got an underdog winner, a DraftKings winner and FFP.
We did have so this is a while ago now 846.
We had a comment from River Hops claiming to be fast farts in the
chat. Really.
Oh, no. Yeah.
I think that was like AI am Robert Paulson thing.
We were saying who's who is he? And like right at that moment he
was like, I am. He's like I'm.
Fast farts so. Is river harps Would would fast
farts be sending us $10 super chats?
Maybe. I mean, he's got money to blow,
you know? You would have to be a weird
ship chaser to watch the show. Draft 4 baseball teams and then
I did not draft anymore in the rest of the summer.
That's true. Although maybe we're watching.
You're like, this isn't for me. And then you win and you're
like, I don't know, maybe it is. Hey, so.
Where where are my where are my drafters screenshots Everyone
everyone playing all your drafters volume.
You know what Pat was like the big three?
Everyone drafters somewhere. Some drafters employee out there
is like no Pat. Please, the big four, the.
Someone someone tagged me in the drafters finished top ten in
that one. I think they they did shout out
the small gas river hops says he would now.
I feel like I'm being gas lit by river hops here with this.
He well listen river hops just well, you know if you if you do
want to make more comments claiming to be fast parts we.
Keep. Let's just keep debating it and
see how many $10 we can get out of it.
Let. Me try this guys if if fast
farts really won 750,000 I think he'd be doing $100 super cheap.
That's how he would I. Mean it'd be really was fast.
For us, yeah, I mean that's that's that would be proof we
are going to bring on Drico here with us as well.
Kyle, feel free to to hang out here.
Draco, second place in the Superflex FFPC contest.
How we feeling today? Yeah.
I, I, I really like that contest and I, I really like the
flexibility. I like how you and the Super
flex and the tight end premium gives you a lot of leeway and
how you go with your draft. I don't appreciate the drop off
from first place 100K to 2nd place 10K Yeah.
That was. Fun.
Brutal and let people know how close because you were sweating
you had. A Oh, so here here, here.
I I didn't tell anyone about this so the the one annoying
thing about the FFPC app, so the scores update much quicker than
than underdog, but one thing that.
Goes about that app the only annoying thing.
About that app, but the the the the one the one really annoying
thing is that it's very slow to add players to your lineup.
And so I thought I was sweating against DES above here and I
just needed a kittle catch to to catch him.
I get the kittle catch and it was the one right at the end
right before the touchdown. I think I win.
I'm waiting for the app to update.
I see Oh, I'm ahead of desert buff, but what's this guy up
here and Jamir Gibbs just hadn't ended his lineup when I was
sweating. And so then when it updated, I
was actually in second place. Because you both had.
Gibbs. Yeah.
And so I had him going. I mean, going into the night, I
was in probably like 40th, 50th place.
But I had I, Jared Goff, I George Kittle, I Jameson
Williams, and I had what's his name?
And Kittle, Kittle, Kittle. Yeah, yeah.
And and so I was like looking up, I I was looking up the the
morning before, like how many points do I need to win this?
How likely of that is a parlay? And it was super tin.
And so like I was, I spent the whole day trying to coach myself
and like, hey, just enjoy the game, try to have it be fun.
But then the minute, the minute the game actually starts, I'm
like just a nervous fucking wreck.
Like none of my coaching like played true.
Pat asked me to come on whatever show he you were doing with
shady and Zach and someone else, and I didn't see it till the
game had already been going any like you guys have been on, so I
probably wouldn't have gone anyways, but I saw it and I was
like I saw it at half time sometimes, like no, I'm
miserable, like I don't I'm not gonna be fun content.
I could just be swearing profoundly every time someone
will look more to catches like let's not go.
I, I I'm I was watching the game.
I learned. Didn't watch any of the game
except for the bid at the end. I'm watching like the final
drive and she's like, Connor, I'm like, worried about you.
Just fucking. I'm exactly like you, Kyle.
Like I when we did it when Pat was going for for two mil and
that was just the first couple drafts, Pat was really calm.
I was like, I don't know how, like I would just be a nervous
fucking ride. I would be able to do what Kyle
was doing. I've never wanted like when you,
when you have to like sweat in front of family and stuff for
whatever reason, like with these Christmas games and stuff.
Oh man, we're at my in laws on Christmas.
It's the first. Game that's the worst routine
it's like come on yeah, that's the worst rule like you have to
people have to like ask you questions about like this or
that or like you got to like like yeah this guy's been there
running back for three years like.
Fuck up and let me watch the players.
I am I I had somebody over for one of the games and that I was
sweating. I think it was the, the, the the
Bengals game, the Bengals Broncos game.
And then it's a good he's a good friend.
And but like halfway through the game I was like, I'm sorry, I'm
not talking to you. I'm sorry.
I'm staring at my phone waiting for the scores update and like I
was just like OK I I that that was my fault for inviting him
and just being like a shitty fucking host.
It is it is a weird phenomenon like even at the the dog Bowl,
I'm sure the DraftKings live final similar where you know
there's like 5 people in the room that are having an awesome
time and. Oh, that's gonna be so awkward.
Disappointed. And it's supposed to be like
this fun celebratory thing. Even today I was talking about
with Brian on Lols How a week 17 like sweat show on Monday night
would be a lot of fun. But everyone who would host it
is like exhausted for making content, doesn't want to do a
four hour stream on Monday. And everyone who's actually
sweating it with meaningful money on the line doesn't want
to go on camera and just have all of their emotions laid bare
in front of fantasy nation. So it doesn't really ever come
together. The the scenario I'm thinking of
is there's one guy who got exactly what he got.
The big play jumps in the 1st that's.
Fucking go. And it's like right in the face
of the guy who he passed at who got bumped in the second.
That's got to be like a weird dynamic.
That's Rico. That's so funny 'cause I was
imagining on the on like the DraftKings live final too.
They've got like the 30 TV set up and you're like close, you're
on like couches next to each other and stuff from like the
video stuff I've seen. So like imagine like you're,
you're like you won $1,000,000. Some of them are more like the,
the NFL one this year. I think it was like 2 or 5
million or something crazy. It's like you are pumped, you
are screaming, spits flying out of your mouth and every droplet
is just hitting the person who just lost 1.5 million right in
the face look. To go wrong.
So, yeah, Drake, are you gonna be leading a petition to smooth
out the payout structures? Yeah, I understand where we
complain because you knew the contest when you entered it,
right? I mean, if I won, if I was in
first, I would be saying that exact same thing.
I wouldn't, I would just say whatever was most beneficial.
Hell, 7 places I. Think, no, that's what I'm
saying. He's like, if I was in, it was,
I was in the 1st place. I'm like, well, yeah, I won the
money. People complaining about are
just bitter. Like you knew you knew the, the,
the payout structure. I, I know, I know you guys are
like kind of like in awe of river hops.
He only said fifty though. You said 100.
River is. River Hops bid is either the
worst $70.00 he's ever spent or this really is fast parts.
It's, it's appropriate because it's, it's not 100, which I
think basically would have confirmed it that he's fast
parts. But it's enough to where I'm
like maybe he's fast parts. He did have that Bucky Irving on
his team, so he is getting in character if he's in character.
Yeah. You you guys, it's kind of like
a fantasy stripper thing where like they they throw in money
and you pretend to be their friends.
I'm sure they. Actually like you guys.
Oh my. God, we we just like the quiet
part out loud a little bit. I think the same.
Thing we need like the best ball equivalent of when the
celebrities do the Reddit AM as and they like hold up their name
on the paper. We need like fast parts with the
selfie with his phone and like his underdog name, like who's
showing on a like a banker held up.
Like his Social Security like. Some of the like.
Really are fast parts. You do not want to be sending
pictures from your ID on the Internet, you know.
Is this true Draco? You're going to be battling in
the FMPC playoff streets with all of your Ted K and tickets.
No. Well, hold on Draco, we do have
a commitment next year at the main event team not.
Yeah, yeah, we, yeah, we did a couple of fantasy pros teams and
we did win. We did win a main event team
from our tickets. So we're pretty, pretty happy
with that. Who did?
Draco and Kyle, both of you and Daniel.
Yeah. And Daniel, yeah.
Nice. And Daniel, would you guys be
interested in bringing on Liam as a fourth Co manager to?
Make things up. Please make a podcast.
Of that that that never came up in conversation.
I promise we. Never talked about this.
Wait, Kyle, don't you, you do one with is it with who?
Is it with Davis right? We did it with Davis and Liam
for maybe we only did it one year.
We didn't do it this year. They didn't reach out to me
again. I don't know what I did.
But. I feel like in our tiny circles
we should have like a ultra niche from other content
creators of war, but that was probably the most popular
podcast of that summer. So amazing.
It's like a cult classic film, which everyone's like.
What are they gonna make another one of those like the Nice Guys,
the movie The Nice Guys. It's like Russell Crowe and some
other actor really famous director and it's a very cult
classic movie that was like too fun and cute and a great time to
never get a second one. Like it will just never happen
or mine Hunter on Netflix. Mine Hunter the Great.
It will never get a third season, right?
Like discontinued. Yeah, it's like that.
And it doesn't seem like we'll ever get a second season of this
because they didn't reach out to me again.
Mine Hunter. That was brutal.
What that they have a? Whole like background story with
the the what is it the BTK killer or whatever that they're
going to get to? Yeah.
Yeah, I know. It's terrible, man.
Netflix was just like you didn't watch it fast enough, so we
cancelled it. Keep doing that.
I hate it. So here's I got a point.
So there's a comment in the chat here.
Let's see. So someone said river hops if
you are really fast farts, explain how you got your
username. I just want to say that his
response is going to prove nothing.
Question who? Hey I.
Also want to see his response. I mean, I also think it's
important that we get a response here.
Only fast farts. Would know.
Would know yesterday. I like it though.
Everyone's turned into little detective journalists around
here, he says. The farting propels you.
You know, I didn't know I was locking into a name.
I'm starting to believe it. I'm starting to believe him.
That was quick. That was a pretty quick
response. All right, here.
So, Draco, OK, now this, now that's a super chat.
My gosh. Oh my God.
This who? Who at first place?
Brian Hodgman here. I believe that this is Brian
Hodgman. I believe that.
I like believe he actually went and adjusted his YouTube name
before sending this super chat just to make sure there were no
issues about his identity. Is it 1 Millie?
Yeah, how, how well did. You do really well did.
Your chat would indicate you did very well.
That's not Brian Hodgman, That's fast.
My goodness. Congratulations, Brian.
That's very that's. Very nice man you Congrats.
We will. We will put this towards an FFPC
playoff entry here for sure, which by the way, we haven't
announced our schedule for that, but we'll have multiple shows
next week. We will.
Just because we figured out our schedule, Pete.
Right. What's that?
And so that's we haven't announced it.
That's because we haven't figured it out.
We haven't, but I feel like it's just so you know, some shows we
just have every year at this point.
We got the dink Leone finale. We're gonna we do our show with
Draco and sacrilegious kind of a a poo poo platter of playoff
basketball content. We got to get the boomer opto.
Boomer opto, man. Boomer opto reveal.
Yeah. And then we get, you know, Pat
gets in the lab and does his ownership projections.
Yeah, contest. So there you go.
Week of programming. Bada bang, bada boom.
So it makes itself, you know. Pete's been too busy grinding
the cash game shell. I mean, he hasn't got.
The shell figured out then. Pieces of the shell are starting
to come together. Pieces of this shell.
Make sure your I. I wouldn't be.
Better you pick your quarterback now, whatever.
You think he's like taping? Together right now?
No. Brock Curtis.
Humpty Dumpty. Didn't get a chance to adjust
the pricing on Joshua Dobbs. Wouldn't want to say free
square. Wouldn't want to say free
square. Look, imagine Pete with like an
iPhone in a glass bottle and he's got the tweezers in there.
Like it's a little ship, like a little ship you make in the
glass bottle, but it's just the cash game shell.
He's just in there. Don't make that.
It's just a little shell inside a bottle.
Who are the has anyone ever actually ever met anyone that
does those as hobbies? Those little.
Ships inside the bottle? How does that even work?
I've never understood the I think.
You go in with like the little tools and.
Yeah. That would piss off.
Those are true nimble, nimble fingers.
Do you like? Do you dip it in glue outside
and then like go in and then try to glue it on and then hold it
in place till it sticks I think. That's probably exactly right.
Fuck that. Yeah, they're so it's not going
to happen tonight, but I just want you guys to know there's a
reality where we all get really stoned right now and pull up a
YouTube video on how do those. Get a.
Great. Time I'm really ship tasing
right? I mean back in back literally
get hit a dispensary yesterday. I am in.
So did I, Gretch. Nice dispensary.
Broker No, I think I. Think his went out of business.
I I apologize crack if it didn't feel free to let us know.
We'll give it a plug, but I don't believe it exists anymore.
Draco, how did you because you you did a lot over on FFPCI know
you drafted with with sacrilegious.
What other sweats did you have in those contests?
So I finished them. I finished 15th in the BBT with
sack and then I had a team that finished 13th with Colin Kelly.
The the team with Colin Kelly had only it had Matthew Stafford
and Trevor Lawrence as quarterback.
Wow. And so Trevor Lawrence obviously
injured for for a long, long time and that could have scoring
like 7 points the whole fancy playoffs.
Yeah. And, and we're hoping like he he
gets the plus match matchup against the Cardinals, he gets
the long rest. And so that was the late game on
Thursday. And, and like all, all the stuff
leading up to that, which so we had, we had Xavier wordy, we had
him like a sickie. So we had like nice pizza and we
had Marvin Mims. So we had nice pieces leading up
into that Cardinal Rams game. And and then we're like, if it's
African, just fucking score some points and, and, and they, they
just absolutely brick. They absolutely turtle and
brick. We were both very disappointed
and but we ended up then we, we had a we, we outside a
quarterback, the team was stacked.
So we had Jamir Gibbs, we had Brooke Irving, we had Brian
Thomas, we had Brock Bowers, George Kittle.
And no, we actually didn't have that.
We didn't have Bowers, but we we end up having a lot of nice
pieces, but just very disappointing.
And the the sock team. We we had the the Bengals like
megastack. We had Joe Burrow, we had T we
had Jamar Chase. We had the Chase, the other
chase, the running back and then that part did very, very well.
But we were absolutely relying on running back points from
James Connor. And so that that was kind of a
that was, that was a big blow there.
What was your take on the team? That was pretty sick and I went.
We were taught we we've got bounce a week 15 by like 5
points, but I kept following this team because it was like it
was the best team that I had the whole year.
And I went back to because we we streamed it on the stealing
signals YouTube and went back to it.
And I mean Drake was just so damn sharp.
He got us on like all the good picks, but this team was just
like and you, you lose out in your pod, you know, like it.
We got third out of 12 or something.
Had a really good week, lost out, but it scored like 217 in
week 17. It was a Lamar team and had both
McBride and Bowers, had both Rasheed Rice and Diggs and was
still super good. I had Ladd and Brian Thomas, had
Marvin Mims on it and it was a Bijon Chase Brown Bucky team at
running back too. Like I had fucking all the
dudes. I mean Congrats on winning your
14 league bud, but I think. I think nuts.
I was literally just about to share this team on the screen,
but Kyle has commented like I'm too.
I'm too embarrassed to know. Yeah.
Good Chico we didn't talk a ton about superplex this year.
What what's your takeaways kind of from from this year about
like the right ways to have played it or, you know, what
were your. Strategies in terms of the yeah,
like I said, the, the, the best thing about Superflex is there's
so many viable starts or way to start the draft based on what,
what your opponents do. Like you have the tight end
premium. So tight ends are great.
Like there's only, yeah, there's only two wide receivers And so
running back that that helps running backs.
And obviously it's full PPR. So that helps the wide receivers
do and in super Flex, so it's QB, but I my, my big thing on
super flex is actually playing chicken at quarterback.
So very, very often I'll either take one in the first two
rounds, like I'll I'll, I'll, I'll like my my absolute
preferred strategy would be like, let's say you start with
Josh Allen and then you just wait and wait and wait.
And I, I attacked a lot of the the rookie Q BS.
So the Superflex team I had had Bo Nix and you had a.
Skeleton key in Superflex this year.
Yeah, yeah, 100%, absolutely. But what I try to do is I try to
get as many first and second round picks or single QB first
and second round picks on my team as possible and then figure
it out a quarterback. Because more often than not,
what will happen is the draft starts off super QB hungry, but
then everybody's done. And then you, you just get these
like mini followers like Bo Nicks will fall, Drake may will
fall or you'll get a random like Geno Smith falls.
Or it, it, it could, it could be any, it could be any of the like
starting quarterback, everybody's kind of filled out
and, and, or the guy who has the stock with the quarterback is
filled out and, and he just falls.
And, and so I try to be very value oriented.
I, I taught last year that was my strategy was a lot more
contrarian. I did see a lot more teams do
that this year. People are a lot more conscious
and I'm curious to see how how it evolves next year.
I I I'm hoping that my strategy still stays valid, but we'll.
We'll see. Yeah, the cat's definitely not
out of the bag. I think you should be good.
Yeah, hopefully, yeah. No, hopefully nobody.
Nobody. Who goes on here just feeling
this whole chasing? Yeah, exactly.
Well, it is, it is so funny with I mean, you see it in any super
flex draft where everyone like thinks they're going to be like
calm and cool about. Quarterback, I know and.
It's like the end of round two and it's like I need Derek Carr
now. It's it's hard to stay in the
pocket because they when they're going off ticking, ticking fast,
like you feel nervous about it. Yeah, how many?
Like I don't do. 20 rounds. OK.
You guys, I don't do any and there's no way to get like money
down on it. But like auction drafts where
you're like, I'm going to let all these idiots spend way too
much early and then you're like shit, 40% on Courtland Sutton in
like 30 minutes later. Right.
Yeah. And all it takes is one click
where you're like, I think I need to, I think I need to bid
up on this guy. Oh fuck my.
Whole yeah, that that's a tough thing to cost and plus like
you're like, oh, it's a value, but it's not that much of A
value and you're like, I spent my I I wave around their values
just to get like 2 valued dollars on like a guy I don't
like like hell. Well, the worst is in auctions.
You think you're taking that strategy and then you realize
that everybody's actually been underbidding the players, and
then you and everybody else who hasn't actually spent enough
money has too much money for all these fucking jokesters.
And I don't. Get all your money down before
the drop dead, yeah? That's the biggest thing in
auctions is you have to keep track of how much money's been
sucked out of the room or or he's in the room that should no
longer be in the room and like because it's just going to
players either going to get inflated or deflated going
forward. Yeah.
Yeah, the we, we should one of these years.
I mean, we have enough chaos doing snake drafts live.
We should do a group auction. Draft auctions are fun, man.
They are really fun. That would be nuts.
I really hard to do an auction draft where I was in the room.
Davis is in the room. Liam's in the room and demons in
the room. I'm just.
Maybe doing a chaos debate about the auction bids?
Every. Single fucking bid.
Oh. Man, we need we need the the
sequel as an auction. I would I've.
Tried to do it just with one call manager and it's really
hard to do. Oh yeah, I mean, we could we
could probably crowdfund for Davis and Liam to do 1 live
together and I'll I'll get a fucking production crew to you
have. A reality show.
Just both of them going rogue on certain picks.
Chase Brown $100 And the problem would.
Be that they both go rogue. And be out of money so quick
that I don't. I do wonder if you would like,
if you put too many kilks in the kitchen, if your budget would
get blown, right. Yeah, absolutely.
You you need for for the dynamic.
You need one guy who's actually doing the counting and like it's
it's either Lemur Davis saying like, no, we have to spend $100
and then actually guys like the budget in the room says we can't
do that. That sounds.
And just like. Absolutely fucking overruled.
No, no. Here's my thought.
There's one guy with his finger on the trigger.
He actually does the auctioneer. Like he's the one who's like,
OK, I'm gonna put in the bid. There's one.
Person doing that? Well, hold on, there's a third
tier. Yeah, that that one has to be.
Liam will be Davis, I'll tell you that.
I think Liam would want to be that one.
I think there would be some controversy over that.
So I was going to pencil that one in for Liam.
Then there's someone who, this sounds like it'd be me, but I
wouldn't do it would be the person like with a spreadsheet
just counting how much auction dollars have been sucked out and
preferably at what positions, things like that, like the
useful information, the accountant of the team.
You're not. And then there's no, no, I'm not
doing that. Sounds awful.
I would. Like do you?
I want to be the accountant for Liam.
For all I always. Say I'm not doing that.
And then everybody just looks at me, awkward silence until I'm
like, fine, I'll do it. There's a third member of the
team with a baseball bat and that's me.
And I scream really loud and I threaten the rest of our team.
If we don't do the right thing, bad things will happen.
Because that's what it felt like doing the last one.
Because. I'm not the bat.
Maybe this is what we need to do on our because we've been
talking about, you know, doing some a little different for our
ship chasing meet up next year could be anywhere, you know,
maybe we host a few ship chasing auction drafts.
Oh. Man, that would be very fun.
Mix it up a little bit. Yeah, we, we're already talking,
you know, about, you know, a different location.
We'll we'll keep you guys posted on that.
Hopefully we can get our our shit together on that, but yeah
man. We'll Congrats about like July
31st, Yeah. No, no.
Let's get it. The ball's gonna get rolling.
Earlier this year, I already laid the groundwork, which is
like, if everyone wants to go out for the the Vegas drafts, by
all means, like people should still do that, but let's plan on
hosting our own ship chasing party somewhere else.
Perhaps I I. Really appreciate that because I
I though I hate like I'm not being forced to go to Vegas, but
that Vegas was the place and I actually don't like Vegas.
Yeah. And.
I don't. I don't love Vegas either.
Yeah, it's kind of. Grand and we've been to Vegas so
many times too, right? You do you do the same trip.
So it's it's kind of fun to mix it, mix it up.
I will say doing the Friday night game at Circa was very
fun. That was.
It was a very. Fun.
Yeah, that was a great time. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, well, sweet guys.
Yeah, shout out to to everyone in the ship chasing community.
I know a lot of you guys had other wins.
I know our guy Gobbler had a nice finish.
There was there was a bunch of screenshots in the discord that
the chow chows if if you guys took stuff down this year,
congratulations. It was cool to see all you guys
posting your WS there over the over the the night on Monday.
Anything else up for you guys and we'll let them know our
schedule for next week, but we'll probably have what, three
to four shows I would imagine, like usual, assuming you guys
are up for? It yeah, yeah, I was assuming
that's what we're doing. I'm I'm doing the ownership
projections again. We'll reveal those.
I'll have those on leg up in the ship chasing Discord and we'll
go through them. It's just fun, honestly, it's
it's a really fun thing. So yeah.
Yep, Gretsch, anything else you got going on in your neck of the
woods before playoff week? Nope, just looking forward to
playoff week. Should be fun, yeah.
Gonna be very fun, Pat, you want to let people know?
Leg up sidekick stuff for conversations heating up about
playoff best ball. Yeah, I mean, this is like I'm
about to, I would say I would, you know, I'm just going to
draft a ton of teams tomorrow, kind of play catch up a little
bit from last week where I wasn't drafting much, but
psychics cooking right now. Lots of lots of Ravens stuff
wasn't so hot on the Ravens before, but the Ravens are
really popping as a really strong team.
legendaryupside.com/sidekick if you want to check that out.
Hoping to do some streams as well.
I might jump on with Davis at some point in the next couple
days, do some streams with him. He's been streaming with the
Sidekick if you want to check it out over on his channel.
But yeah, we'll be like I said, we'll be doing the playoff
baseball content over on Legup as well.
And Steph mentioned she did a article on auctions.
If you you know, if you're, you talked about auctions, that's
she had a really good intro article on it over at legendary
episode as well. Kyle, Draco, anything you guys
want to plug here? No, follow me on Twitter, I post
all my stuff there. I've I've learned not to even
hint, not to even hint our content this year.
OK, All right. Yeah, you don't.
You got a. Under promise, if I actually if
I write something, I'll write something.
There you go. You'll be lucky to read what I
have to say. I'm.
Going to have mine. Too.
Well, it's going to be it's going to be hard to get anyone
to read your super flex strategy articles when you already gave
the milk away. Yeah, send me a head to head if
you want to, you know, reduce your 2025 tax liability this
week. Revert Z top on DraftKings will
have the usual not usual shows. No JM to win GPP show Derek
Cardi, a cash game thought leader coming on the show
tomorrow. I'll see how his Dome boner is
looking for week 18 and then with the badge Bros we'll have
off and on the clock. They'll want to talk about the
best Scroll down plays. I'll only be talking about the
best plays at the top of the board and and then yeah, playoff
week next week here on the channel.
We'll we'll get a schedule posted up on Twitter, let you
guys know in the discord what to expect, but multiple shows get
your houses in order for playoff week.
Appreciate you. Congrats again to everyone in
the ship chasing verse on their wins.
We'll see you guys next week for playoff basketball content.