1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,600 I want to go in a little different direction as we 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,800 continue on this series of what it means to be a Baptist, we 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,300 went through the entire acronym of what the Baptist distinctives 4 00:00:09,300 --> 00:00:12,000 are and then we talked about what, you know, we talked about 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,600 what makes a Baptist a Baptist. But then we talk specifically 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,500 about what it means to be an independent Baptist. 7 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:19,500 But we really were looking at that from the perspective of 8 00:00:19,500 --> 00:00:22,300 somebody who is looking at it from the outside, looking in 9 00:00:22,300 --> 00:00:26,100 somebody who is looking at the Independent Baptist Church, if 10 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,000 you will, but I want to sort of look at it from the perspective 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,600 of those on the Inside looking at ourselves for a couple of 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,800 weeks. And then we're going to move 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,300 into a different topic, a different series. 14 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:41,200 But second Timothy chapter 3, and verse number 10 will use as 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,500 a jumping-off point here tonight says this, but they'll has fully 16 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:48,300 known my Doctrine manner of life. 17 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:53,500 Purpose, Faith, long-suffering, charity patients persecutions 18 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:57,400 afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch at Iconium lystra, 19 00:00:57,700 --> 00:00:59,200 what persecutions? I endured. 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,500 But out of them. All the Lord delivered me yea 21 00:01:01,500 --> 00:01:04,599 and all that will live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer 22 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:08,300 persecution, but evil men, and seducers shall wax worse and 23 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:11,500 worse deceiving and being deceived, but continue. 24 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:15,200 Thou in the things, which thou Hast learned and Hast been 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,300 assured of knowing of whom thou Hast learned them. 26 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:21,300 And that from a child thou Hast known the holy scriptures, which 27 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:25,100 are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith, which 28 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:28,200 is in Christ Jesus, all scripture is given by 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,600 inspiration of God and It is profitable for Doctrine for 30 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,200 reproof for correction for instruction, in righteousness. 31 00:01:35,500 --> 00:01:38,900 That the man of God may be perfect throughly, furnished 32 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:41,900 unto all good works. Now, great passage. 33 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:44,800 And obviously, those last couple verses talk about what our basis 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,100 of everything we do ought to be, and of course, that is the word 35 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:49,400 of God. Everything we do ought to be 36 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:54,600 based on the word of God, but I think we look back at verse 10 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,100 and 11, really, though, verse 12 and 13. 38 00:01:57,100 --> 00:02:02,500 And you see that that The Closer the Coming of Christ is and the 39 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:06,600 closer we get to his return, the closer we get to going home to 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,800 heaven, the more we're going to see people turning away from the 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,200 faith, more. We're going to see people 42 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,100 turning away from what they know to be right, or what they've 43 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:17,700 always taught and what they've always always learn and always 44 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:21,300 been taught and what Paul is telling Timothy in verse 14, and 45 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:26,200 in verse 15 is continue doing the things that you learned 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,100 because you learned them from the word of God. 47 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:31,700 Continue doing what you've done. Done because you know who you 48 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:36,700 learned them from and and, and you've seen that, you've seen 49 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:38,800 God work in your life. You seen God work in other 50 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,400 people's lives. Why would you change from the 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,900 from where you were and for some time now we had there's a 52 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:47,600 movement that's been growing among Independent Baptist that 53 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,800 would push the Independent Baptist Church in particular. 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,200 And I say that in a with a broad stroke but Independent Baptist 55 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,600 Church is In a contemporary direction. 56 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:03,400 And you know one of the things one of the beauties of the 57 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,500 Independent Baptist Church is where independent, right? 58 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:10,000 We're not we're not based basing what we do on something that 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,900 somebody in a hierarchy system tells us we have to do or 60 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:16,500 whatever else we do, we feel God wants us to do in this church 61 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:21,100 and other independent Baptists are free and have the freedom to 62 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:23,200 do, what they feel. God wants them to do and their 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,800 church. And we've talked about that a 64 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,200 lot because just because They have that freedom does not mean 65 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,100 that we have to fellowship with them if they're going in the 66 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:31,900 wrong direction. And that's what that's what 67 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:33,900 we're seeing really across the board. 68 00:03:33,900 --> 00:03:36,900 In a lot of these Independent Baptist Churches, is this push 69 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,400 in a contemporary Direction, it's not just well, they do 70 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,300 things a little bit differently than we do. 71 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:46,700 It's a desire to move in that direction, and I think you could 72 00:03:46,700 --> 00:03:50,200 arguably say that it's Loosely grouped around, Josh Tice, you 73 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,600 might not even a heard that name. 74 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:54,600 He's certainly not the first one that's ever gone in a 75 00:03:54,608 --> 00:03:57,300 contemporary Direction, but he kind of made It mainstream. 76 00:03:57,300 --> 00:03:59,900 He took what was? What was an independent Baptist 77 00:03:59,900 --> 00:04:02,400 Church. His dad is a pretty well-known 78 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:04,700 relatively. Well known at least Independent 79 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:07,600 Baptist, pastor and has been for a long time and has always kind 80 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,100 of stood you know for the truth of the word of God and stood on 81 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:15,200 the King James Bible and stood for the things that 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,000 traditionally Independent Baptist and for and Josh Titus 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,899 really took all of those things and just completely went in the 84 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:23,600 opposite direction with him, still claims to be an 85 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,800 independent Baptist Church, and many people have asked him, why 86 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,500 are you independent? Obvious when you were not really 87 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:30,200 anything like Independent Baptist and he his answer is 88 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,300 well there's a lot of problems in the Independent Baptist 89 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:34,600 Church but there's a lot of problems in other denominations 90 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,100 to. So we're just going to stick to 91 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:38,500 being an independent Baptist, but it doesn't stand 92 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:41,200 traditionally for what Independent Baptist and for he 93 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,300 is one of the first ones, honestly, as an independent 94 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:46,600 Baptist to to start using a different version of the Bible. 95 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,600 Another one of the of the of the, you know, more mainstream 96 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,800 independent Baptists. Anyway, to start using the 97 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,500 contemporary music and the drums and all of that kind of stuff. 98 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,200 F in the in the church services. And so I'm not saying that he is 99 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,600 the leader but he's kind of the de facto head of this Neo 100 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,800 Independent Baptist because a lot of these young pastors are 101 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,700 following him. He has every year what's called 102 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:11,100 idea day. And he brings people from all 103 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:14,300 across the Spectrum from all different denominations and 104 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:18,000 brings them all together in his church and they have, you know, 105 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,600 just sharing of different ideas and things like that. 106 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,300 And so essentially, what ends up happening is your Crossing all 107 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:26,900 these different boundaries and you are your cross All these 108 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:28,900 different lines that should never be crossed. 109 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:31,700 And now, you becoming good friends with people who are in 110 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:33,900 these other denominations. And I'm not saying that you 111 00:05:33,900 --> 00:05:37,000 cannot be friendly to these people who are in other 112 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,000 denominations. And I'm not saying that you 113 00:05:39,008 --> 00:05:42,600 can't even be a friend to them, but when you become friends with 114 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,900 them, it becomes very hard for you to stand up against the 115 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:48,500 things that they are doing that are against the word of God and 116 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:50,800 this idea days really bring in a lot of that together. 117 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,900 But this movement and I mentioned it, but I've heard it 118 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:57,900 labeled the Neo Independent Baptist But it Embraces this 119 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:00,800 philosophy and and direction that really gives me. 120 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Pause again, we don't have to agree with everybody and 121 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,800 everything but they're moving in that direction very quickly and 122 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,700 a lot of those that are coming out of this movement. 123 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:13,700 Many that honest are coming out of West Coast Baptist College. 124 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:20,000 I think Paul Chapel is the pastor of the church there and I 125 00:06:20,008 --> 00:06:23,600 think Paul chapels church is pretty solid and has been for 126 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,300 quite some time. But you look at the product of 127 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:29,900 what In produced out of that college at almost every one of 128 00:06:29,900 --> 00:06:34,200 them that's coming out of that college is running in a, in a 129 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,000 liberal contemporary Direction. So, you know, they're leaning in 130 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,500 that direction are gravitating for it but there's a whole host 131 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:42,200 of others that are doing the same thing. 132 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,800 And so the goal really of this, it's just going to be kind of a 133 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,300 short little series here a couple couple weeks, maybe 134 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:50,300 three. But the goal is really to 135 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:54,600 address the underlying errant philosophies that are driving 136 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,600 these people in that direction and and the approaches that 137 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,500 these Neo independent Baptists are taking. 138 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,000 And if we can't name it and point it out, then we can't 139 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 protect against it. And I'm not, you know, I'm not, 140 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,800 I'm not controversial, just for the sake of being controversial 141 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,100 and I don't like, I don't like confrontation and all that 142 00:07:12,100 --> 00:07:17,000 stuff, but it's, it's, we are in danger of it. 143 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,300 Changing us completely as Independent Baptist, and we're 144 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:24,200 typically, you said, you were Independent Baptist. 145 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,000 It meant that you stood for something. 146 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,700 Now, It's got it's gotten to the point where it doesn't really 147 00:07:28,700 --> 00:07:31,000 mean that anymore. Same way when it used to mean. 148 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,100 If you said you were Baptist that you stood for certain 149 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:37,000 things doesn't mean that anymore and it's sad to see it. 150 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Moving in that direction, The Independent Baptist were 151 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:42,700 independent fundamental Baptist. We're literally independent, 152 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:44,800 fundamental Baptist for all the things that we talked about over 153 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,600 the last few weeks, we stood for the fundamentals of the faith, 154 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:51,000 and many are moving quickly away from that. 155 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,800 Now, let me give you a little bit of a background turn over to 156 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Matthew chapter 22. But growing up, I was privileged 157 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,200 to attend an independent Baptist Church, an independent 158 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,000 fundamental Baptist Church. And from the time that I was 159 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,700 born until I was 23 years old, I went to the same church. 160 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:10,500 Dr. Roger vogon, was my pastor, he started for him, Baptist 161 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:14,600 church in Chesterton. Indiana in 1970 and within a 162 00:08:14,608 --> 00:08:17,200 decade of the church being planted they had, they had seen 163 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,800 some tremendous growth and and to some, it was kind of 164 00:08:20,808 --> 00:08:24,100 considered one of the leading churches in the in Independent 165 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:29,700 Baptist circles. But as a child, all I knew was 166 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:32,600 that of the Independent Baptist world, it was kind of a bubble 167 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:33,900 that I grew up in. I didn't know, there was 168 00:08:33,900 --> 00:08:36,299 anything outside of that and I'm not saying that that's a bad 169 00:08:36,299 --> 00:08:38,299 thing. I'm glad for that opportunity 170 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,900 when I when I calculate God's blessings on my life near the 171 00:08:42,900 --> 00:08:45,900 top of that list is my upbringing and independent 172 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:49,200 fundamental Baptist Church. But I've read a lot of people, a 173 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,000 lot of books and things of people who look down on that and 174 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,900 some who even despise their independent Baptists Heritage 175 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:57,900 more and more. Are being written of people who 176 00:08:57,900 --> 00:09:02,000 are escaping The Independent Baptist movement, and the 177 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,500 Duggars are kind of the newest addition to that crowd. 178 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:08,200 And, you know, I forget which one it is they all start with J 179 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,400 so or to think they do but there's like 40 of them but one 180 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,800 of the one of them is making the rounds. 181 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,000 Now, doing, all these interviews with all these talk show, you 182 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,800 know, liberal media talk show, host not even not in the 183 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,800 Christian world at all about how, you know, stifled Feeling 184 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,100 it was to be growing up in a home that had standards and that 185 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:32,400 stood on the King James and all of these other things and wrote 186 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,300 a book about it, making the rounds about how difficult it 187 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:38,500 was and how she found Grace. I find it so interesting that 188 00:09:38,500 --> 00:09:42,400 the people who find the grace of God, really are just using that 189 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,900 as an excuse to drop all the standards that they grew up 190 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:47,200 with, it's amazing how that works. 191 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,000 But I read a book. It's been a couple of years ago 192 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,000 that I read it but it was and I wouldn't even recommend it for 193 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 the spirit of the author. But Called I fired, God. 194 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:03,200 It was a woman who actually grew up independent Baptists and her 195 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,100 husband actually, wrote a bunch of songs for the wilds, and 196 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:10,200 then, and then they left, they left the movement, got out of 197 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,800 it, you know, escaped in the middle of the night type thing. 198 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,600 You know, it's just it's amazing to me how these people, how 199 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,200 these people think, but I mean not only did she turn on 200 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,200 Independent Baptists? She turned on God. 201 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,000 She turned against everything that Is, you know, that is that 202 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,600 is right and good and everything else, wrote a book called I 203 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,000 fired, God. And I rarely, rarely have I ever 204 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,600 done this, but I threw the book away when I got finished reading 205 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,800 it, her spirit was just so horrible in the way that she 206 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,700 talked about all these things and, and but now let me pause 207 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:45,800 here and say that that some of these, some of these people have 208 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,800 legitimate reasons for feeling the way that they do. 209 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:51,800 And I do hurt for those who experience because there are 210 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,300 there has been many Independent Baptist Churches over the years. 211 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:58,700 Especially in the 70s and 80s and 90s who are horribly 212 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:03,500 mistreated people and should never have treated people the 213 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:07,700 way that they did and those people that were treated that 214 00:11:07,700 --> 00:11:12,300 way, you know, I understand, even though obviously, you know, 215 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,800 I know people who were treated that way and are doing just fine 216 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,700 today. So you can use any excuse that 217 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:19,700 you want to to get away from God. 218 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:22,300 And that's really just what it is is an excuse. 219 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:27,400 But you know, Do they experience some kind of abuse or 220 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,600 manipulation or some other horrible experience within the 221 00:11:29,608 --> 00:11:31,900 confines of an independent Baptist Church and that happened 222 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:34,000 a lot. And the sad thing is a lot of 223 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,800 that was covered up and a lot of it was swept under the rug or 224 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,900 they were just shuffled to another Independent Baptist 225 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:45,000 Church and and you know it was hidden and and and that's why I 226 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,400 made this very very clear in our workers training that we did a 227 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,200 couple weeks ago. That anything that happens 228 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,100 that's even remotely similar to that. 229 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:57,700 Here is going to be It's not going to be covered up and, and, 230 00:11:57,700 --> 00:12:00,700 and we're going to protect our kids as much as we can, from any 231 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:04,500 of that kind of emotional abuse or physical abuse. 232 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,200 But I can say that, that was not my experience. 233 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,900 I didn't experience any of those things, I can't say that that's 234 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:13,100 the same for everybody that grew up in Fairhaven. 235 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:15,600 I don't know every one of their experiences, but I didn't 236 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,400 experience that at all and I'm, you know, Fairhaven, obviously 237 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,600 was not perfect during the formative years of my life. 238 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,900 In fact, there are, there are few things that I look back and 239 00:12:23,900 --> 00:12:26,600 say that I'd probably never do that and And in our church. 240 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,100 But there are several things that made a profound impact on 241 00:12:30,100 --> 00:12:32,000 me, then, and still shape who I am today. 242 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,300 One of them is that I was blessed to attend a church where 243 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:39,000 people loved God and each other. And that's significant because 244 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,700 Christ was asked in Matthew chapter 22 and verse number 36 245 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,200 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law. 246 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,000 Verse 37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt 247 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,500 love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul. 248 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:55,300 And with all thy mind, this is the first thing. 249 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:58,000 Right commitment and the second is like unto it. 250 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:00,700 Thou shalt love thy Neighbour as thyself. 251 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:04,200 I think it's so funny that you know, this whole really the 252 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,600 lgbtq and all these other people in the crowd, you know. 253 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,500 They stick that verse out in their yard, Thou shalt love, thy 254 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:13,000 Neighbour as thyself and they completely ignore the rest of 255 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,600 the Bible, but it's true. It's an it is in the Bible. 256 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,200 Thou shalt love thy Neighbour as thyself, right? 257 00:13:18,300 --> 00:13:20,400 And who's your neighbor? It's not the person that just 258 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,100 lives right next door to you, on either side? 259 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:24,700 It's your fellow, man. It's your fellow Christians. 260 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:26,600 At your fellow. Whoa, everybody, right? 261 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,300 We ought to love people and I think we make a huge mistake 262 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:33,300 when we don't, but I was blessed to attend a church where people 263 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:36,600 love God and loved each other and love people and right along 264 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,900 with that, I was blessed to attend a church where Souls were 265 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:42,900 saved and baptized regularly and that makes a huge difference 266 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:44,900 Christ. Commissioned his church to go 267 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:47,400 into all the world and preach the gospel to Every Creature, 268 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:50,400 right? And then baptized them and help 269 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,900 them grow and disciple them. And of course, our church, the 270 00:13:53,900 --> 00:13:56,200 church that I grew up in used a The different tools to 271 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,400 accomplish that saw Souls get saved in nursing homes. 272 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,600 I saw Souls get saved on door to door. 273 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,600 Visitation. I saw him get saved in the bus 274 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:08,300 ministry as so I'm get saved in summer camp programs and almost 275 00:14:08,300 --> 00:14:11,500 every week in the regular meetings of the church Souls 276 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:14,300 were saved regularly, turn over to Jude. 277 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,400 Because the third thing is, I was blessed to attend a church 278 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,600 where the pastor taught me to take a strong stand for the 279 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,200 truth and not just taught that but actually lived it. 280 00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:26,900 Dr. Vogel and lead in battle, Battles across the United States 281 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:30,800 for Religious Freedom, for Christians, schools from 282 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,800 morality. And for other things, he took 283 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,100 seriously, the admonition in Jude is only one chapter, but 284 00:14:36,100 --> 00:14:39,100 verse number 3. He says in the second half of 285 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:41,900 that verse, it was needful for me to write unto you and exhort 286 00:14:41,900 --> 00:14:45,100 you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith, which was 287 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:48,900 once delivered unto the Saints. Dr. Folkman spent time in prison 288 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:50,900 because he was willing to stand up for his beliefs. 289 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:56,800 They didn't know it at the time. But Hillary Clinton actually 290 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:02,500 made her pilot program. Basically, we're forget what it 291 00:15:02,508 --> 00:15:03,900 was called. What's the pilot? 292 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:05,100 Do you remember what it was called? 293 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:06,900 Anybody remember what it's called? 294 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:09,800 It was some program that she came up with were basically the 295 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,400 parents could call the state and they would come and and, you 296 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,700 know, take the kids out of that situation and all this stuff. 297 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:20,500 Oh, that's a parents kids could call the state but it was, I 298 00:15:20,508 --> 00:15:22,800 forget what it was. If some program that she 299 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,300 started. I mean, this was way back in the 300 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:28,200 70s and so Hillary Clinton was not a known name really, at that 301 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,200 point. Like she is now, but they ended 302 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,900 up, putting him in jail and he spent he spent a while in jail 303 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:37,200 there and then of course, they went to court over the whole 304 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,200 thing and and they won the court case Hillary Clinton and her 305 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,400 whole Camp lost that court case. But he spent time in jail for 306 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,500 that because he was standing for the The truth of the word of God 307 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:50,500 and standing for the rights of parents, to be able to 308 00:15:50,500 --> 00:15:53,500 discipline their children in line with the word of God. 309 00:15:54,500 --> 00:15:56,900 But I also enjoyed growing up in a church where the members 310 00:15:56,900 --> 00:15:59,700 sacrifice for one another and for the needs of the church in 311 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:05,300 2001, I graduated high school in 2001 and literally the night 312 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,800 after graduation. They started tearing the 313 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,900 auditorium down and because we're planning to remodel it and 314 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:16,000 remodel the entire Auditorium in the summer before the school. 315 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:20,900 Started again in the fall and our church completely remodeled 316 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:24,200 that Auditorium 2005, they broke ground on a multimillion-dollar 317 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,200 education of building but over all those years, all the men in 318 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,800 the church and they had some some things that were done by 319 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,200 outside contractors but the majority of the work was done by 320 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,900 the men in the church. And I mean just every single 321 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:38,500 Monday night, they called it work party. 322 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,300 Every Monday night for years on end, the men in the church would 323 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:47,200 get off of work at 5:00 or 5:30 and Come straight to the church 324 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,000 and, you know, eat a little bit of food there and then get busy. 325 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,500 And they had all these different Crews of men that would work and 326 00:16:52,508 --> 00:16:54,700 do different things and they got that building all done. 327 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:58,300 And I was, I mean, I worked all the way through high school. 328 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:00,700 I mean, all the way through college and then some after that 329 00:17:00,700 --> 00:17:03,400 as well. But, you know, they work all day 330 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,400 and then spend hours there at night on Mondays, just working 331 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,900 together to get that that work accomplished. 332 00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:12,500 And so, for those reasons, a lot of other reasons, I look back on 333 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:16,000 my Heritage as an independent Baptist with great appreciation. 334 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:20,300 And honestly, that's why that has a lot to do with why I'm an 335 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,800 independent Baptist today. But in the last few years, 336 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,000 there's been a movement to discard, or explain away our 337 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,600 past, and to start fresh and to start new. 338 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:33,800 And, of course, you can, you can go look it up. 339 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,700 If you want to the guy's name. That I mentioned is Josh Tyson. 340 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:40,500 Spelled te, is he's the pastor of Southern Hills, Baptist 341 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:45,100 Church in Las Vegas, but he kind of got this movement started. 342 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:48,300 He wrote A Blog Post that was called the new independent 343 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:50,400 Baptists. And essentially what he was 344 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,400 doing, was trying to redefine everything that Baptists are and 345 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,000 you can you can go look that up. You can go look that article up. 346 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,400 I think it's still available but and then more recently there's a 347 00:18:00,408 --> 00:18:03,300 group of what you know guys that are known as the millennial 348 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:06,700 Independent Baptist. Nate Calvert is the guy that's 349 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:09,500 kind of leading that but he wrote A Blog that was called an 350 00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:12,400 open letter from Millennials and that's why I'm saying you know, 351 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,000 like the openly called themselves millenniums but I see 352 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,400 he's 20 And 30-somethings, you know, that are now. 353 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,000 Pastoring churches, who most of them all grew up in pretty 354 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,300 strong, independent Baptist Churches, who took a stand on 355 00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:29,300 the word of God and for a lot of these other things but mostly 356 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:34,100 what you notice in both of those articles you know there were 357 00:18:34,100 --> 00:18:37,900 some points that resonated with me because I do think in fact 358 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:40,300 you want to you want to read a tremendous book especially if 359 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:43,600 you've been in the Independent Baptist Church for any length of 360 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,900 time. Tom Brennan. 361 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 A guy by the name of Tom Brennan, wrote a book called 362 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,200 schizophrenic and he grew up in Independent Baptist, still an 363 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,000 independent Baptist today. But basically what he did is he 364 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,900 took here's all the things that are good about the Independent 365 00:18:56,900 --> 00:18:58,600 Baptist Church. Here's all the things that are 366 00:18:58,608 --> 00:19:00,700 not so good about the Independent Baptist Churches. 367 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:03,700 Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. 368 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:06,100 Let's just change the bath, water change, the things that 369 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:09,800 are not great stick to the things that are good and that 370 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,100 have worked for years and years and years and strengthen those 371 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:15,900 and get rid of the things that don't work. 372 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:18,700 That are not things that are strong about the Independent 373 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:21,000 Baptist movement and so great book. 374 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,200 But so, when I say that some of the things that they say that 375 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,800 they say in and what they wrote some of them resonate because 376 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,200 there are some problems within the Independent Baptist 377 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,700 movement, I hate using the word movement, but that's, you know, 378 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:35,700 that's kind of how it's become known. 379 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:39,200 But mostly what you notice in there in the things that they 380 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,800 wrote and have written and honestly are continuing to write 381 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,900 is this this Wanderlust or this dissatisfaction? 382 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:51,900 With, with the Heritage, the of these men, and I found that hard 383 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:55,100 to take, but why bring any of this up? 384 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,400 We're going somewhere with this. And honestly, the introduction 385 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,400 here is the longest by far, the points aren't that we have 386 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,300 tonight or not going to be that long but I can assure you that. 387 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:08,100 I'm not. I'm not confrontational, I'm not 388 00:20:08,100 --> 00:20:10,400 you know I'm not a guy who likes to stick my nose into things 389 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,500 that aren't my business but and honestly, I don't make it a 390 00:20:13,508 --> 00:20:15,900 habit to get into theological discussions on Facebook. 391 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,200 At all, I don't think I've ever done that. 392 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,000 You know, I'll see some things from time to time and, you know, 393 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,700 I'll want to say something about it, but it doesn't do any good. 394 00:20:25,708 --> 00:20:27,800 You're not going to change their mind, they're not going to 395 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,000 change your mind and all it does is get you frustrated and get 396 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,300 them frustrated and, you know, whatever else. 397 00:20:33,300 --> 00:20:37,000 But I think a lot of the men who are sincere, who are seeking for 398 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,400 something different than, the, than what they've seen or what 399 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,700 they've experienced. I think they have a genuine 400 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:44,500 desire to do, what's right? I'm not. 401 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:47,700 I'm not questioning their. Dave's necessarily but there's 402 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:51,500 this younger generation that really has more fully embraced 403 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:55,200 writing and blogging and you know, Facebook and Instagram and 404 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,000 all these other things, as really a kind of an effective 405 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,600 means of communication and they've attracted a large 406 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,100 audience, that's growing. And that's, you know, in some 407 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:09,200 ways they're just the loudest voice and so more people are 408 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,000 following them, but I feel that it's necessary. 409 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,900 I feel it's important to warn those who are being influenced. 410 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,400 Are these men and a lot of others that there are serious 411 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,800 dangers involved with the Neo Independent Baptist movement and 412 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,300 there are some who may not quite be in that Neo Independent 413 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:28,400 Baptist camp, but they're moving very quickly in that direction 414 00:21:28,700 --> 00:21:31,800 and it's a very dangerous dangerous direction to go in. 415 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,700 You only have to follow these men for a short time and that's 416 00:21:34,700 --> 00:21:38,400 all I've followed them to see the radical change that they're 417 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,400 making. And I followed them long enough 418 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,300 to know that it's not something that I want to have anything to 419 00:21:44,300 --> 00:21:47,600 do with. But you know it's honestly and 420 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,700 you can maybe call some of these things Innocent. 421 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:52,400 But you know this innocent casual look that we're seeing in 422 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,100 churches. Now you know as people are 423 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:59,100 leading from the platform and and honestly that casual look 424 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:02,200 many times, just turns itself to completely full-blown 425 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,800 contemporary music and worship and all of these other things 426 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,700 and and abandoning positions on the Bible versions I mentioned 427 00:22:09,700 --> 00:22:12,000 this not too long ago but they just they just had a whole 428 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,800 conference on translation transition how to take your 429 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:18,900 Heard from a King James Church to one of these other versions 430 00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:24,500 and you know, a couple guys that are kind of leading that charge 431 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:28,600 but really you know bragging about the fact that you know, 432 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,900 this church was a strong independent Baptist, King James, 433 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:34,200 only church. And thankfully we've been able 434 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,200 to take it from that position to this position. 435 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,800 Well essentially what happens is, most of all the people who 436 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,800 are strong, King James people left, because you came in and 437 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,500 started taking it in a Neo Direction. 438 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:47,000 And then you started attracting, NG what you are. 439 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:50,000 So it's two different churches. You just took their building. 440 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,200 Is basically what you did. But, but, but that's happening a 441 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,500 lot. It's happening a lot and then 442 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:57,600 they're still calling themselves, Independent Baptist 443 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,400 and still trying to say that they are standing for the 444 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,300 fundamentals of the faith and they're not, they're not and so 445 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,300 that concerns me and leads me to believe that that greater change 446 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:09,500 is on the horizon. The longer it goes, the more you 447 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:12,000 can see those changes and you're seeing those changes very 448 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,600 obviously. Now in a lot of these churches 449 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,300 and they're affecting the Raishin, that's coming up in 450 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:21,900 those churches where you you have your strong independent 451 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,600 Baptist churches that these guys grew up in and they've taken 452 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,600 those strong stands in a weakened them. 453 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,700 The generation that's growing up in those churches is not going 454 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:32,700 to know anything about the strong stand and the Heritage 455 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:36,000 that they came from and they're just going to take it into a far 456 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,400 weaker Direction and it's going to end up full-blown, you know, 457 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,800 Hillsong and Bethel and all of these other things. 458 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,800 And and that's not, it's not an exaggeration to say that. 459 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:49,300 At this crowd is extremely context-driven. 460 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,300 If we don't give people what they want, then they won't come. 461 00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:54,700 And if they don't come, then we can't influence them. 462 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:58,700 That's their mindset. It's what's known as pragmatism. 463 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,900 The ends. Justify the means as long as we 464 00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:04,100 can get people in. It doesn't matter how we have to 465 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:06,300 get them in, it doesn't matter what we have to do to get them 466 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:09,700 in as long as we get them in, and we can influence on. 467 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:11,700 The problem is, you're getting them in, but you're not 468 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:16,800 influencing them for Christ. And if you have to drop every 469 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,700 standard that you have to get those people in, then you cannot 470 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:23,100 preach the truth or they're going to walk right back out the 471 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:26,800 door and go to another church. That is not preaching anything 472 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,200 and that's what we're seeing. A lot of these huge 473 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:34,300 non-denominational churches, but granted context is important. 474 00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:36,800 But the word of God creates new context in the lives of people 475 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,500 that makes the old context obsolete. 476 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,200 You don't need something new, you just need a new Fresh 477 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,800 anointing of the Holy Spirit. That's what you need. 478 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,400 And if the Holy Spirit comes and is freshly anointing, the people 479 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,000 in the church that gives you the motivation that gives you the 480 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,300 excitement that most of them are looking for by moving in this 481 00:24:57,300 --> 00:24:59,200 contemporary Direction. So I want to talk about where 482 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,500 all this ends, what our response should be to those who label 483 00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,900 themselves new or Neo Independent Baptist. 484 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:07,600 So I suppose maybe we should ask the question. 485 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:11,300 Why should we even have this conversation tonight? 486 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:13,300 I want to give you four reasons why we have to have this 487 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:15,000 conversation. Ation, why it truly matters. 488 00:25:15,300 --> 00:25:17,800 And again like I mentioned just a little bit ago, the 489 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,200 introduction is far longer than the actual points. 490 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,700 The first one is this. We should be having this 491 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:26,100 conversation because it's important, it is important. 492 00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,600 These changes that we've looked at and discuss are going to 493 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,400 potentially transform who we are and what we're going to become. 494 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,600 And I don't even know if potentially is the right word, 495 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,200 they are going to transform who we are and what we are going to 496 00:25:36,208 --> 00:25:39,800 become the church. I described at the beginning 497 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,500 doesn't need to be fundamentally transformed right there. 498 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:46,500 It said I grew up in is doing things the right way. 499 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,200 Even though again, we don't have to agree on everything but 500 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,400 they're doing things the right way. 501 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,900 And they're seeing God do great things in that way. 502 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:55,300 It needs to keep doing what it's always done and to be 503 00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:58,400 strengthened but it doesn't need a seismic shift in a New 504 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,300 Direction. And so the this conversation is 505 00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:04,100 necessary because it's a very important conversation. 506 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,200 We are literally talking about the direction of the next 507 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,000 generation of Christians. It's a very important 508 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,600 conversation that we have to have. 509 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,500 But the second reason is because you're paying And perhaps this 510 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,900 movement toward the new Independent Baptist mindset is 511 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:20,400 catching on so rapidly because these men are are doing a great 512 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,300 job at articulating who they are and why they're doing what 513 00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,700 they're doing. It's the same thing with a lot 514 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:29,800 of these younger guys who are who are starting to write and 515 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,900 who are influencing people away from the King, James and who are 516 00:26:32,908 --> 00:26:37,100 influencing people away from good solid Christian music and 517 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:41,100 who are influencing away, people away from standards in dress and 518 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:44,200 all of those other things. And I believe there are others 519 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,800 who could benefit from hearing from those who don't see the 520 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,200 need to radically shift and transform, we are and what we're 521 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,000 doing. Now, one of the weaknesses 522 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,500 within the Independent Baptist movement has been a hesitancy 523 00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:58,100 to, right? I think what Josh Tyson they 524 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:04,200 Calvert are doing is is good in their willingness to write down 525 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,100 their thoughts and try to get that to the the generation that 526 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:11,400 they're trying to influence. That's how you do, it is through 527 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,700 writing and having those conversations. 528 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,400 Let me add, I don't think it's necessary. 529 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:22,300 I don't think that that a young man should necessarily, right? 530 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:25,300 They need a lot of ministry experience. 531 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,600 Since before they start trying to tell everybody else how to 532 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,500 run their Ministry and that's what we're seeing. 533 00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,100 A lot of is these guys are young and they're trying to tell 534 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:33,700 everybody else how to run their Ministries. 535 00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:36,700 But what's happening is they're not influencing everything in a 536 00:27:36,708 --> 00:27:38,500 good direction, they're influencing all these other 537 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:41,200 guys, these younger guys who want to be like them. 538 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,700 But the problem is these older men who have experienced in the 539 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:50,900 ministry and who have seen God do great things and who have 540 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:53,000 stood for the faith? For all these years are not 541 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,300 writing. And there is a, there is a 542 00:27:56,300 --> 00:28:00,300 dearth of good solid, independent, fundamental, 543 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:05,000 Baptist books out there and so naturally people who want to 544 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,100 read and who have a desire to learn and whoever desire to know 545 00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:11,800 are going to seek out information somewhere and they, 546 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,300 if the only information that's available is from people who are 547 00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:19,400 in this Neo, Independent Baptist Camp, that's who they're going 548 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,100 to read and that's who's going to influence them because you 549 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:24,300 are who your friends are and what you read. 550 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,100 And what you watch that. I mean, it's what it comes down 551 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:31,500 to. But this this little series that 552 00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:34,700 we're doing, essentially comes from a desire to allow you to 553 00:28:34,700 --> 00:28:37,100 hear from a side of the Independent Baptist world that 554 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,700 is not trying to fundamentally transform. 555 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,700 It's not dissatisfied with who we are. 556 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:44,100 And is concerned about where this new movement could 557 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:46,300 potentially lead folks, who decide to follow them. 558 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,400 So, number three, The reason why this is important is because I 559 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,100 have three children who need the church to be more committed to 560 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:59,400 the biblical principle than to worldly context. 561 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:04,100 Their names are Jackson, Alex, and Riley, and your kids might 562 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:09,000 do Go by different names but your kids are just as important. 563 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,800 And they're growing up in a radically changing world. 564 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:16,600 Every year new technology is coming onto the scene. 565 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,600 That is that is a presents A new challenge. 566 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,500 Challenge that quite honestly, most of us never had to deal 567 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:25,800 with when we were growing up. New ideas are discussed all 568 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,500 around them from from, you know, new currency to new genders and 569 00:29:29,500 --> 00:29:34,200 everything else and and and so, you know, they're facing a world 570 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,200 that we never had to face and if we don't stand on what we know 571 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:45,000 to be the truth and if we don't stand for these Godly principles 572 00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:49,000 and we start to bend on those on those things then, Going to be 573 00:29:49,008 --> 00:29:52,800 very easy for them to bend and all the things that that matter 574 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,500 in that area to, they need a church that doesn't change. 575 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:59,000 They need a Bible that they can depend on by the way, there's so 576 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000 many one of these not too long from now. 577 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,300 Hopefully I don't know if this year but maybe at the very 578 00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:07,600 beginning of next, I'm going to get into a series on why we hold 579 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,600 to the King James version of the Bible, but just a very practical 580 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,100 side of it is if you're constantly changing your Bible 581 00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:16,600 or if you have and one of these guys that was talking about this 582 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,600 translation transition, You know, he was saying that well we 583 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,700 settled on five versions that we believe are you know are 584 00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:27,300 beneficial and helpful. Well you got five different 585 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:28,900 versions floating around in your church. 586 00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:32,400 Number one, how do you memorize verses number two? 587 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,100 How is anybody on the same page? When you're reading verses in 588 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:39,800 the church service, right? Number three every one of those 589 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,500 translations is saying something different. 590 00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,300 So, you're reading one thing and getting this out of it this 591 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:49,300 guy's reading something else because it says Else and he's 592 00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:52,200 getting something completely different out of it words mean 593 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,400 things. And so when you change words, 594 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,400 you're changing doctrines and you're changing everything, 595 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,500 right? So, if you don't have a standard 596 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,500 that you can use as the guide for you to follow, then you're 597 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:07,800 going to waffle and everything. And if you don't like what this 598 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,800 version says, then go find it a different one. 599 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,400 And you can find something that you like, the way it's 600 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,100 pronounced or you like the way that it tells you, it's okay to 601 00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,100 do this. And and believe me, that's what 602 00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:21,900 those translations are doing. And they are, they're making 603 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,700 making things acceptable that are not and so on. 604 00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:29,900 But they need a pastor was going to preach the truth, clearly to 605 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:31,900 them. Regardless of what the context 606 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:34,600 is that they may be living in children noticing 607 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,100 inconsistencies and the jury is still out on a lot of these 608 00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:41,800 young pastors, but I think their children, it'll be their 609 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,600 children and the children of their church that are gonna be 610 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,000 the most affected and you're going to see it and you already 611 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,300 are seeing it. You know, I've noticed too that 612 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:55,500 the a lot of these pastors that preached against things or four 613 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,000 things, all the sudden, they're not against him anymore. 614 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,100 When their kids get to be in high school and start telling 615 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:05,000 their their Pastor father's. What they're going to do or not 616 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,800 going to do all the sudden the things that they used to preach 617 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,800 for and the things that they used to preach against all the 618 00:32:10,808 --> 00:32:14,100 sudden don't matter anymore. And I mean, a lot of these guys 619 00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:17,100 wrote books on the topics that now they don't even believe 620 00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:19,900 anymore and it happened. When their kids got old enough 621 00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:22,600 to start telling them, this is what I'm going to do, and you 622 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,700 can either like it or I'm going to ruin your ministry. 623 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:28,800 They may not say it that way, but but they're too weak to even 624 00:32:28,808 --> 00:32:31,800 stand up to their own children on a lot of these things. 625 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:36,600 And so, you know, these pastors have taken direction from their 626 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,100 kids. It's the word of God and not our 627 00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:40,800 kids, that should determine what's right? 628 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,500 And what direction we have to go in and it's so important that we 629 00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,900 do that. But our children are the next 630 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:50,400 generation of Jannetty. And if we don't give them 631 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,500 something strong to hang on, to their going to change, they're 632 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:57,300 going to change. And the last reason is because 633 00:32:57,300 --> 00:32:59,100 this has happened before. Why is it? 634 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:00,700 Why is it important to talk about it? 635 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:04,100 Because it's happened before. Every denomination and every age 636 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:08,000 has experienced drifts and changes and shifts. 637 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,100 The Southern Baptist convention is dealt with it right there in 638 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:13,200 the middle of a battle right now. 639 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,100 In the Southern Baptist convention between a very 640 00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:18,200 liberal faction of the Southern Baptist and a conservative. 641 00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:21,100 Of the Southern Baptist. And there's, I mean, they're 642 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,000 talking about the fact that there's probably even going to 643 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,900 be a split and they're going to go in two different directions 644 00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:28,900 because they're so far apart on these things. 645 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,800 And boy, if you know anything about the Southern Baptist 646 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,400 convention, the Southern Baptist Church over the last few years. 647 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,600 They've taken a nosedive in the wrong direction but there are 648 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,800 conservatives and liberal Methodist churches. 649 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,000 There's conservative and liberal Presbyterian churches, so every 650 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,300 denomination has that. And in fact, it will be Naive to 651 00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:51,200 assume that we're the only ones who have dealt with that kind of 652 00:33:51,208 --> 00:33:54,800 pull from within a lot of pastors have written about this. 653 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,100 That, I mean, a lot of pastors that are dead now have written 654 00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:01,600 about this but it strikes me as funny that a lot of these new 655 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,800 independent Baptists are changing and moving toward more 656 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,200 worldliness becoming more liberal and they think that the 657 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,900 only ones have ever done it, you know it really is. 658 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:14,500 It's like we're coming up with something new, that you're not. 659 00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:17,000 It's been tried before. It's been done before and it's 660 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,500 always failed. That's why people don't. 661 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,500 Remember, and that's why you think you're doing something 662 00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:24,100 new, they think they're coming up with something new and that 663 00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,500 they're being Innovative and how they reach the world. 664 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,500 It's been tried before in the reason, it doesn't last because 665 00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:32,300 it doesn't have the power of God on it. 666 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,000 I'm not saying that we can't use new methods. 667 00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:39,100 There are new methods, I mean, Facebook and Instagram, and the 668 00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:41,600 internet have changed a lot of things. 669 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,699 And I'm not saying that we shouldn't use those as tools 670 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,300 back in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s. 671 00:34:47,300 --> 00:34:49,400 Those were not even tools that Available. 672 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,100 So you have some of these, you know, 70s and 80s and 90s 673 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,199 pastors who are preaching against all this kind of stuff. 674 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:56,600 And, and I don't think that's helpful. 675 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,600 Either you use the tools that were available to you, and, and 676 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,200 this new generation is using the tools that are available to 677 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000 them, who had to be wise in how we do it. 678 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:10,100 But the methods may be a little bit different, but the, the 679 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:15,400 purpose is not new. And the the stand is not new and 680 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,500 does not need to change. A lot of those things. 681 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,600 That they're changing are not just methods. 682 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,100 It's the doctrines. It's the philosophy, it's all of 683 00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:25,900 those things. And I'm not, I'm not 684 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:29,300 old-fashioned, merely for the sake of being old-fashioned. 685 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:33,100 But neither am I for change simply for the fact that we need 686 00:35:33,100 --> 00:35:35,100 to change? We don't need to change. 687 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,300 We can we can be up to date without being modern, right? 688 00:35:40,300 --> 00:35:46,000 We can be, we can be relevant without compromising and I think 689 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,800 that's what we need. We need a relevance without 690 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,100 compromise. If we're not relevant, then 691 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,300 we're not reaching our communities in our world. 692 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:55,700 We have to be relevant, but we don't need a compromise to do it 693 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,800 and a lot of these Neo independent Baptists are trying 694 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,400 to be relevant, but they're compromising at the same time to 695 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,800 make that happen. So what I've enjoyed throughout 696 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,000 my life has blessed me and countless others and I'm not, 697 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,100 I'm not in a hurry to discard it for something new. 698 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,600 We don't need something new. The men that I've mentioned, and 699 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,500 countless others who are promoting a new way of doing 700 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,300 things aren't the enemy and they never It will be if they're 701 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:23,900 preaching the gospel, then they're not the enemy but and I 702 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,100 pray for them and I hope that they'll decide to stick to the 703 00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,200 real independent fundamental Baptist stands. 704 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,800 I don't have a lot of Hope but I pray that that that will see 705 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,500 some of these young guys come back around and realize that 706 00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:37,700 they're going in the wrong direction. 707 00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:39,800 I'm thankful that we don't have people pushing Us in that 708 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,800 direction. Either, there's a danger in 709 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,100 compromise for the sake of something new, that will get 710 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:47,300 others in. We just have to, we have to slow 711 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:49,300 down. We have the truly We seek the 712 00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:52,200 Lord and ask ourselves if what we have and what we've done 713 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,300 really needs to be transformed, or should we just be seeking 714 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,400 God's power? That's what we need more than 715 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,000 anything. We cannot manufacture God's 716 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000 power, and I believe that that's what a lot of these. 717 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,300 A lot of this new generation is trying to do the trying to 718 00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:11,900 manufacture Revival and the trying to manufacture God's 719 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,300 power. And neither one of those things 720 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:18,000 can be manufactured. We just need God's power. 721 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,600 We can stick to the old old fashioned independent, 722 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,600 fundamental Baptist truths and doctrines and philosophies and 723 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,200 everything else and they will work. 724 00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:33,100 If we have God's power, it doesn't matter what you change. 725 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,500 It may seem like it's working and it may work for a little 726 00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:41,200 while but eventually it's going to stop when they realize that 727 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,200 there is no power on it. And that's what we need more 728 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,600 than anything is just God's power. 729 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,200 So we're going to talk about this over the next couple weeks 730 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,700 and you'll see as we as we get into it, kind of the direction 731 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:53,200 we're going to go with it but it's important. 732 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,300 It's important that we pointed out, it's important that. 733 00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:59,900 We make sure that as a church here, at Mount Victory, Baptist 734 00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:01,900 Church. At least we're not going in that 735 00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:04,600 direction. We are trying to stand for the 736 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,700 truth of the word of God, and more than anything. 737 00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:10,500 We want God's power on it because when God's powers on it, 738 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,800 then it doesn't matter. Who does it, nobody cares? 739 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,800 Who gets the glory, nobody cares. 740 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,800 Who gets the credit, and God gets all the glory for it and 741 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,300 that's what we want. That's what we want. 742 00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,800 At least that's what our motivation should be. 743 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,300 So we'll talk about that over the next few weeks but let's 744 00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,500 pray and we'll be done tonight. Father, we love you and we thank 745 00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:31,100 you for your goodness and thank you for again the truths that we 746 00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:33,800 have in the word of God and the stand that we're able to take. 747 00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:37,800 Because we know that what we have is the truth and I pray 748 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,600 that you'd help us to not change for the sake of change, I pray 749 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,500 that you help us to to be relevant but that we wouldn't 750 00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:46,100 compromise for the sake of relevance and that you'd be able 751 00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,700 to use our church because we want your power more than 752 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:50,100 anything. God, I pray that you would give 753 00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:52,100 it to us. I pray that you give us souls 754 00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,300 for your sake and gotta pray that you would again be with 755 00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:56,800 Miss Barbara in the hospital tonight. 756 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,300 God, I pray that you would just help the doctors to get her 757 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:01,800 stabilized and everything to get back to normal. 758 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,800 And I pray that you just bring us all back here together on 759 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,500 Sunday. Thank you for all that you do 760 00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:08,300 for us in Jesus name. Amen.