1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,700 Then we'll be done with this and then I'm going to give you one 2 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:05,600 more thing next week on this on this whole general idea. 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,400 And then we're going to move on to something else. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:12,300 But the first thing that Josh Tyson, and I'm using his name 5 00:00:12,300 --> 00:00:15,000 because he is kind of the de facto leader of this Neo, 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,400 Independent Baptist movement. That's what we would call it. 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,500 It's not what they're calling it. 8 00:00:18,900 --> 00:00:20,700 They're calling it the new Independent Baptist movement, 9 00:00:20,700 --> 00:00:24,100 but they he says, they're obsessed with the gospel and, 10 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:26,700 and again, I know like we said last week, it might sound a 11 00:00:26,700 --> 00:00:29,400 little bit picky, but you become obsessed with anything and 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,200 you're going to end up. Up in a ditch on one side of the 13 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:37,400 road or the other. But it's we have to be all about 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,700 the gospel but they're not the only ones that are doing that 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,900 right there. Defining this new movement as if 16 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:49,300 the old movement was not worried about getting the message of the 17 00:00:49,308 --> 00:00:51,700 Gospel out. And again then he kind of re 18 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:54,300 said that again in the second point which he said that they 19 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:57,800 were committed to preaching the gospel and the term that he used 20 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,200 was that the old independent? Fundamental Baptists are 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,099 prostituting the Bible and that can happen in whatever movement 22 00:01:05,099 --> 00:01:07,700 you choose to hang out with. So we have to guard against that 23 00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:12,100 that beam that that you know, as they point out the moats. 24 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:15,200 But ultimately what alarms me is a movement that's afraid to make 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,500 application to the truth and that's exactly what they're 26 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:19,200 doing. They're afraid to make 27 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,500 application to the truth because that would mean that they would 28 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:24,700 have to preach these things that they don't want to preach. 29 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,100 And we're not about that. We need to preach the gospel. 30 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:31,300 We need to apply the The gospel. We need to preach the Bible. 31 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:34,300 We need to apply the Bible. And then we finished up last 32 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:36,600 week by talking about the fact that he said, they are men of 33 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,700 unity who despised hyper separatism, which you could 34 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:42,300 really Define a saying men who don't like standards. 35 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:43,800 That's really what it comes down to. 36 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,200 And if you do then you're, you know, you are a hyper separatist 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,400 and all of these other things, we talked a lot about that 38 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:52,500 because he said it doesn't matter if you do get up on the 39 00:01:52,508 --> 00:01:56,300 stage and you're in a pair of jeans or a tie or doesn't matter 40 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:59,100 if you decide to use hymns or contemporary Christian music and 41 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:01,000 it does matter. It does matter. 42 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,200 And I'm not going to read re-preach. 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,700 A re talked about everything that we talked about last week. 44 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,800 So we're going to move on to the third thing or the fourth thing 45 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,200 that he said. And he said that they are turned 46 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,900 off by denominational politics. And I think the simplest thing 47 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:18,100 to say is I too am turned off by denominational politics. 48 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:22,600 It's not about how big my Ministry is compared to yours. 49 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:26,200 It's not about how you know it's not about self-promotion or 50 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,800 Pastor worship. It's not about what school I 51 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,400 went to versus what's School. You went to, right? 52 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:36,100 There's good men. If God wanted every single 53 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:38,800 person to go to the same school, there'd be one school in the 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,900 United States. Right there are other schools 55 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:46,200 there for a reason. God, God had them and and good 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,000 men, that established colleges in different places and 57 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,700 established different Ministries in different places. 58 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:54,800 There would be a one Church in the United States. 59 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,100 If God wanted everybody to go to that church, but he's got 60 00:02:57,100 --> 00:02:59,200 churches all over the place. He's got different things, all 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,000 over the place. I grew up at Fair Haven. 62 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,900 And it was a good church with a good pastor, dr. 63 00:03:04,900 --> 00:03:06,800 Volgman, I thought he was the most famous man in all of 64 00:03:06,808 --> 00:03:10,900 America and I started traveling. And on deputation. 65 00:03:10,900 --> 00:03:13,600 I traveled in the Ensemble and we came into churches who had 66 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,600 never heard of them before and I thought, what bubble are these 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,300 people living in either, they're just got saved or they, they're 68 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:22,600 living in some kind of bubble, but what I found out was I was 69 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,800 living in a bubble. There is a life outside of Fair 70 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,500 Haven that I didn't know anything about right, and 71 00:03:28,500 --> 00:03:29,800 nothing wrong with that as I'm growing. 72 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:33,700 Growing up in it necessarily. But I realized there was more to 73 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:37,300 Christianity than Fairhaven and just because you didn't go to 74 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:40,200 Fair Haven, doesn't mean that God can't use you just because 75 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,000 you didn't go to Fair Haven and you don't do it. 76 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,900 Exactly. The way they do, it doesn't mean 77 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,700 that God can't bless your ministry. 78 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Right? And I think I had that mindset, 79 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,200 you know, if you're not a Fair Haven and you're in the wrong 80 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,200 Church, you know, and God opened my eyes up to that to see it. 81 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,400 Look, there's a lot of churches in a lot of places that are 82 00:03:56,408 --> 00:03:59,100 doing a lot of good things for the cause of Jesus Christ, but 83 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:03,300 for Most part my experience traveling in churches around 84 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:05,100 this country. Over a period of probably about 85 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:09,200 six years between traveling with the ensembles and, and sing in 86 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,900 the singing group and then deputation and all his stuff 87 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:15,500 pastors, young and old. There's a lot of good churches 88 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:16,700 out there. Now there's a lot of churches 89 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:19,399 that are compromising and I'll be honest with you, just in the 90 00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:26,200 seven or eight years since I've been here and, and looking back 91 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,400 at some of the churches that we were in they've compromise since 92 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,500 then. A lot of them I was in 15 or 20 93 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:33,500 years ago and they've completely changed since then. 94 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:37,500 So, you know, not all of them are sticking by the stuff. 95 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:38,900 Not all of them are doing what's right. 96 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:42,900 But to me it seems that originally Josh theis was was 97 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:47,400 praising the old ifb guys. But then he started you know to 98 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,100 suddenly attack all of them you know by only pointing out some 99 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:54,400 of the worst case scenarios in some of these churches. 100 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,900 And I'll be honest with you, there are a lot of old 101 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:59,100 independent fundamental Baptist Churches, who did a lot of 102 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:01,500 things that were wrong. That really hurt the cause of 103 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,300 Christ just because you claim to be independent fundamental 104 00:05:05,300 --> 00:05:07,900 Baptist does not automatically make you right. 105 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,400 And there are a lot of churches that cause a lot of harm to 106 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,200 people but those cases can be found in every group of people 107 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,800 anywhere on the face of the planet. 108 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,700 It's not only in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,900 Look at the what the Catholic church is dealing with right 110 00:05:22,900 --> 00:05:25,000 now. They don't have the truth but 111 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,600 they're dealing with Scandal amongst their priests. 112 00:05:27,700 --> 00:05:29,700 You go into some of these nondenominational mean. 113 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:33,200 Look at, look at Hillsong right? The, the very well-known 114 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,900 collapse of that whole thing. We have problems in any 115 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:39,800 denomination but I felt like, I felt. 116 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:45,600 Like Josh Titus is calling people like me a non gospel, 117 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,500 non-textual thieving legalist, whoever who only ever wants to 118 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:52,200 get everybody to look like me because I claim to be a Bible 119 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,800 believer that does not look like him, right? 120 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:02,200 And so, I mean that's kind of in that whole hyper Hyper 121 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,700 separatism label that he's putting on people but where I 122 00:06:06,707 --> 00:06:10,400 would disagree with him on this point is that to say that all 123 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,900 ifb churches and I don't even like the term ifb but instead of 124 00:06:13,907 --> 00:06:16,100 saying independent fundamental Baptist every time I'm going to 125 00:06:16,108 --> 00:06:19,300 use that for now. But but that all of those 126 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:22,600 churches or even the majority of those churches have been that 127 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,200 way and and that only the new ifb churches are different. 128 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:30,500 That's an unfair assessment and honestly it sounds Very prideful 129 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:33,500 for him to say that there was a lot of good churches out there 130 00:06:33,500 --> 00:06:37,400 that are still doing that are still doing what's, right? 131 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,700 And the thing is most of them are small and that's why you 132 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:42,500 don't hear about it. But all over this country dotted 133 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:44,700 all over the place. There are small churches that 134 00:06:44,700 --> 00:06:48,200 are still sticking by the word of God that are still doing it. 135 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,800 The way that God says, it needs to be done. 136 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:52,300 And my father-in-law was a perfect example of that. 137 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:55,000 He was in the ministry for about 50 years. 138 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,000 As a pastor of an independent fundamental Baptist Church that 139 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,200 he actually took out of the Southern Baptist Church, the 140 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,900 Southern Baptist convention. They realized pretty early on 141 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:06,800 after he became a pastor of Gil, Grove Baptist Church. 142 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,100 Gill Grove was a Southern Baptist Church. 143 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,500 Well, it was actually started in 1843. 144 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,400 He was the first full-time Pastor that they had came in, in 145 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,600 1974 part time and then they hired him and brought him in 146 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,200 full time in 1976, but it was a Southern Baptist Church and he 147 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,600 realized pretty early on that. The southern Baptists were not 148 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,500 going in the right direction. So he pulled it out of the 149 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:29,700 Southern Baptist convention and became an independent Baptist. 150 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,700 Church. And, you know, I realized that 151 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:35,500 there's been a lot of man following and Pastor Worship in 152 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:38,200 certain churches, but I think it's unfair to say that that's 153 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,700 characterized our movement in the past to be lumped in with 154 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:45,400 some wacko who's a dictator and his church, you know? 155 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,900 And everybody has to go to him before they buy a car or, you 156 00:07:48,900 --> 00:07:51,000 know, get a job or something like that. 157 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:55,300 That's you know, that does not characterize the, the average 158 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:59,700 independent fundamental Baptist pastor so somehow saying that my 159 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:03,000 Standards are old-fashioned and that I'm causing division by 160 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,800 living and talking and writing and preaching. 161 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,700 What I believe is biblical when isn't that exactly what he's 162 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:12,900 doing in his article, right? He's doing the exact same thing 163 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,600 that he's accusing us of and that that's and that article is 164 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,600 caused a lot of division itself. So don't just think that because 165 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,300 you're a young independent, fundamental Baptist, pastor that 166 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:26,800 you couldn't fall into to the pride of self-promotion through 167 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,700 tweets and Facebook pages and Instagram. 168 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,600 Post and everything else. There's a lot of that that's 169 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,700 going around and, you know, they're using these, they're 170 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:38,400 using these platforms which I'm not against somebody using a 171 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,799 platform for, you know, like Facebook or Instagram, or some 172 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:43,700 of these other things, nothing wrong with using that as a 173 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:47,100 platform but they use this platform to try to tell 174 00:08:47,100 --> 00:08:48,300 everybody else what they're doing. 175 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:50,900 Wrong to make themselves. Sound humble. 176 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,300 But in actuality what they're doing is just trying to build 177 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:56,200 their own Empire and try to get trying to get a following behind 178 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,000 them and I could give you names. And I mean I'm thinking of All 179 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,900 right, now that I know who are exactly like that who fit right 180 00:09:02,900 --> 00:09:08,000 into this category of this new new or Neo Independent Baptist 181 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:14,500 movement who are literally criticizing the older pastors 182 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:18,600 that whose churches they came out of and they're doing exactly 183 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:21,200 what they're criticizing these older pastures of doing. 184 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,100 And that is just trying to gather a following. 185 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,100 Now, it may not be that they're trying to amass, you know, 186 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:29,200 massive church but there are trying to get a massive 187 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,200 Following on On Facebook in these other places. 188 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,400 And how is it any different, right? 189 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,800 May God judge all our motives and find them to be pure. 190 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000 That's what I have to say about being turned off by 191 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,600 denominational politics. Every one of us is going to 192 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,100 stand before God and we're not going to be judged by what 193 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:47,400 everybody, you know, viewed on the outside or perceived on the 194 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,300 outside. We're going to be judged by God 195 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:53,300 himself, who knows exactly what our motives are on the inside. 196 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:57,700 May God judge our motives and find them to be pure number 197 00:09:57,700 --> 00:09:59,300 five. He said that they are dedicated 198 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:02,500 to fiscal accountability. And again, here's one that I'm 199 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:07,300 in complete agreement with a word to the wise though, to 200 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:11,400 think that because you might brand yourself as a new or an 201 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,600 old independent fundamental Baptist, preacher means that 202 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,800 you're any safer from giving in to temptation of fraud. 203 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,400 When it comes to money or being greedy or having Financial 204 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,000 improprieties, in your church would be unwise But by the grace 205 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,100 of God, we all live a life of character in this issue. 206 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:31,000 The fact that fiscal accountability by a pastor 207 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,300 hardly makes him an Neo or a new independent fundamental 208 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:36,800 Baptists. There have been plenty of men 209 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,700 over all these years and never got accused of stealing money 210 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:41,400 out of the offering plate, right? 211 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,600 Never got accused of financial misappropriation or something 212 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,900 like that but I will say that's a Temptation for anybody, 213 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:53,400 really? I mean you don't be a pastor, 214 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,800 you don't know. You, you know, you have a giant 215 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,400 wad of cash that you're dealing. With the Temptation is always 216 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,400 there to snag some of it, right? I mean, obviously by now and 217 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,400 being being mature Christians, we ought to be able to say no to 218 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,500 that and it's not even really a temptation, but you make that 219 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:14,400 happen by putting things in place to make it so that you're 220 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,300 not even in a position to take it, right? 221 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:20,600 I don't handle any of the money and our church. 222 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:26,300 My wife does all the budget. Josh and Brian do the counting. 223 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,200 Sarah takes the money to the bank. 224 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,400 It never touches my hands. And, and for good reason, I'm 225 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,600 not tempted to steal the money, but I don't even want it to look 226 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,900 like there is any possible way that I could get my hands on the 227 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:40,800 money, right? And, and again, if there's if I 228 00:11:40,808 --> 00:11:43,200 know that there's no chance that either, there's any place where 229 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,300 I can even grab it, then the Temptation is not even there. 230 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:49,500 So Financial accountability is absolutely important. 231 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:51,600 In many Ministries have been destroyed. 232 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:57,100 By people who have who have been financially unaccountable and 233 00:11:57,100 --> 00:12:00,100 financially. I mean, at the very least, 234 00:12:00,700 --> 00:12:04,900 financially irresponsible at the very, you know, at the worst 235 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:08,800 purposely stealing things and taking it from God's house, you 236 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,900 remember, Joel Osteen member, they had six hundred sixty 237 00:12:12,900 --> 00:12:14,500 thousand dollars that went missing. 238 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,400 You remember that? It was like after an Easter 239 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Service or something six hundred and sixty thousand dollars that 240 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,900 just went missing. I mean, could you imagine that's 241 00:12:22,300 --> 00:12:26,900 On Sundays offering you know? And and and I still don't know 242 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:29,600 if they ever found out who actually took it, but they found 243 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,700 that money. You know what I found it, they 244 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:35,600 had a leak in their bathroom and they had to take the wall apart 245 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:38,400 and they found all of that. Money in the wall in the 246 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,900 bathroom. I have no idea how they got it 247 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:42,800 in their, or how they were planning, to get it back out, 248 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,800 but somebody snuck it in there. And and that's how they found 249 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,300 it. They got all the money back but 250 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:51,300 anyway, just just to make sure that we are dedicated to that 251 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:53,800 fiscal accountability. Again, the fact that he is 252 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,800 saying that this is what defines our movement is essentially 253 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,800 saying, none of those old independent fundamental Baptists 254 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,900 were fiscally accountable, right? 255 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:05,900 And that's just it's false, it's false number six. 256 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:09,600 He said that the new independent fundamental Baptists are. 257 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,400 Well read and I should hope that. 258 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,300 No one would argue about being a well, read in the scriptures, 259 00:13:14,300 --> 00:13:15,600 right? We all should be. 260 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Now, I will say they're well-read in the wrong version 261 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,400 of the scriptures. A lot of these guys are all 262 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,600 turning away from I'm the King James Bible. 263 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,400 All right, and I call it the King James Bible because it's 264 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,500 not just a version of the Bible. It is the Bible and things that 265 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:31,900 are different, cannot be the same, right? 266 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,600 I just read an article today about the message, the message 267 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,700 became a very, very popular bible, with a lot of these Neo, 268 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,700 not even independent, fundamental Baptists, just the 269 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:46,100 Neo crowd, you know, a lot of these, a lot of these that you 270 00:13:46,108 --> 00:13:48,200 kind of see their names and faces and, you know, they're 271 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,300 speaking in all these big national conferences and things 272 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:54,500 like that, but I mean, read through some of that message, it 273 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:57,500 is, it is. I mean, there's and I'm not 274 00:13:57,500 --> 00:14:00,300 lying when I say this or exaggerating or stretching the 275 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:03,300 truth. There is cursing in there in the 276 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:09,100 place where Peter denied Christ and they said that he vehemently 277 00:14:09,100 --> 00:14:11,600 denied it and everything else and I think the Bible even says 278 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,100 that he cursed to make them say, you know, so that they would 279 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:19,700 know they put a curse word in there, you know as quoting Peter 280 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,700 you know, and all these people were just all The message is 281 00:14:22,708 --> 00:14:26,900 such a wonderful version of the Bible is such a easy to read and 282 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:28,300 blah, blah blah and all this stuff. 283 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,700 It is it changes the Bible so much that it doesn't even say 284 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:35,900 what the Bible says but anyway we should be well read in the 285 00:14:35,900 --> 00:14:38,300 scriptures. But on the other hand, I'm all 286 00:14:38,300 --> 00:14:40,200 for reading. I have a very large Library. 287 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,000 I've way too many books, but I appreciate the Council of older 288 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,400 Godly men to be careful what I read. 289 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Especially if you're a new Christian or if you're not very 290 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,800 well grounded in what you believe you got to you, you have 291 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,300 to be very careful who you read and what you read Because very 292 00:15:01,300 --> 00:15:04,000 easily. You will be swayed because a lot 293 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,600 of these guys that right are very persuasive writers, that's 294 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,500 why they're writing books and they can persuade you on any 295 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:14,200 topic about anything. And if you don't know what you 296 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,700 believe, then you can be very easily swayed on those things, 297 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,500 if you don't know. Well, what do you think about 298 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:20,600 this? Come asking me. 299 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,800 I'm not I'm not the, you know, I'm not the, I'm not a library 300 00:15:25,900 --> 00:15:29,000 or a bookstore, but I do know who's good and who's not for the 301 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,600 most part. And if I don't, I'll find out, 302 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,900 you know, once you know what you believe, then there's nothing 303 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:40,400 wrong with reading some of these books and finding out what other 304 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,900 people are saying about it. So you know how for me. 305 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:47,700 So I know how better to to oppose what they're preaching 306 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:49,200 and teaching and a lot of of instances. 307 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,900 But I'm not saying that you can't read something to see what 308 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:54,300 the other side might say, you know, I mean, it's kind of the 309 00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:57,200 same thing as reading like CNN or something like that and just 310 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,200 seeing what the Liberals have to say about this topic or whatever 311 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,900 else. And it kind of works the same 312 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:05,300 way, you know, just to hear what the other side is saying. 313 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:09,800 But I also realized that there will be there, most likely will 314 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,000 be something about something that I disagree with. 315 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,700 And just about every book that I read. 316 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,700 So I'm not reading the book saying, telling me what I need 317 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:22,200 to know, I'm reading these books and I'm comparing them with 318 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,200 scripture and making sure that what they're saying is correct. 319 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,500 Now there are certain authors that I've read enough of their 320 00:16:28,500 --> 00:16:32,900 stuff that I will trust anything they write for the most part and 321 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:37,100 you know where I'm kind of trying to figure out a topic for 322 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:40,500 myself. And I'll go to them first 323 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:42,800 because I know that they're going to have a solid view on 324 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,300 that. There's authors that are like 325 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:47,900 that and there's all that. There's also authors who are 326 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:51,300 pretty good on some things and terrible and other things. 327 00:16:51,700 --> 00:16:54,000 So you have to be very, very careful what you read. 328 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,800 I'm more fearful that this new independent fundamental Baptist 329 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,600 movement is making a full-blown three-course of meal out of the 330 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,800 reading material that the other side is producing. 331 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,200 And that's what's happening. They've stopped reading all of 332 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,200 these old men. They stopped reading Spurgeon 333 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:17,099 and deal Moody and Andrew Murray and all of these men of God that 334 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:20,200 wrote for a lot of years. And now all their reading is the 335 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,300 new stuff when that's all your diet is. 336 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:25,200 That's exactly what you're going to become. 337 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,700 Right? It's like somebody eats nothing 338 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:29,300 but carrots. Eventually, you start seeing 339 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:31,200 their skin turn orange and everything else. 340 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,100 Right. And the same thing is true when 341 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:36,500 it comes to this, this reading, if that's all you're taking in 342 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,400 that's what you are going to become and so you have to have a 343 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,500 very fine balance and balance in the Christian Life, Is 344 00:17:43,500 --> 00:17:48,400 everything right? A ditch on the other side is 345 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,600 still a ditch and so you have to be very, very careful. 346 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,400 God warns us about entertaining vain. 347 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,800 Philosophies I had you turn to Colossians chapter 2 and There 348 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,800 was a little bit ago. But if you're still there, 349 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:03,000 verse, number 8, beware lest any man, spoil you, through 350 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:08,100 philosophy, and vain deceit. After the tradition of men after 351 00:18:08,100 --> 00:18:11,300 the rudiments of the world and not after Christ, turn over the 352 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:16,400 first Timothy chapter 1 but that verse is exactly what many of 353 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,100 these new ifb churches and pastors are doing. 354 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:25,900 They're being spoiled through philosophy, and vain deceit. 355 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,200 And what's happening is they're reading these megachurch pastors 356 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,400 who are writing books on how to build mega churches. 357 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,100 You know, you build a megachurch you compromised. 358 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,000 You your soft on sin, you change your Bible version, you have 359 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,900 contemporary music, you have all these things. 360 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:48,700 So if that's what you're reading. 361 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:54,100 Well what's what is vain deceit? Talking about vain, deceit is 362 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,000 hey, look what you can have? This is what we have in. 363 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,900 This is exactly how we did it and we did it in three weeks. 364 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:02,900 We went from zero to nine hundred and three weeks. 365 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:06,300 And I mean, that's, I know it's that, you know, it's a little 366 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:09,700 bit of an exaggeration but not much Get emails from these 367 00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:11,800 places. All the time, we went from zero 368 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,400 to 200 on our first anniversary and then we grew a 700 by our 369 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,200 second anniversary. Here's how we did it. 370 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,900 And all you have to do is pay $59 and we'll teach you how we 371 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:23,400 did it, right? And people are like, only $59, 372 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,300 let me see what they did and now they're digesting all of that 373 00:19:26,300 --> 00:19:30,700 information from these Neo churches who are telling them 374 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:33,300 everything that they have to do to try to get people in. 375 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:35,100 And it's not about the gospel, it's all about. 376 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:37,700 What do I got to do to get people in right? 377 00:19:37,900 --> 00:19:40,100 First, Timothy chapter 1 and verse number 5. 378 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,500 Now, the end of the Commandment is Charity out of a pure heart 379 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,300 and of a good conscience, and a Faith unfeigned from which, some 380 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:53,900 having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling. 381 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,100 I'm young as ministers, go. I'm only 40. 382 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:03,300 And, you know, you talk about, you know, people who are 60 or 383 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:05,800 70 years old, been in the ministry for 50 years and 384 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,200 whatever else I'm young compared to a lot of those guys. 385 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,500 But I've seen many pastors who have swerved Away from the 386 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:16,300 truth. And that's exactly what this Neo 387 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,500 ifb movement is doing. There's swerving away from the 388 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:22,000 truth, they're following after like the Bible says, they're 389 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,800 turned aside unto Vain jangling and it's not charity out of a 390 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,500 pure heart. It's not out of a good 391 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:30,600 conscience. It's not out of Faith unfeigned 392 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,700 because of what kind of reading diet they adapted and that's why 393 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:37,400 it's very, very important that you're that you care for what 394 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,000 you read, careful what you read careful who your friends are 395 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,600 careful who you Listen to, that's who that's what you're 396 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,000 going to become, you're going to become who your friends are, you 397 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,400 can become what you read and you going to become what you listen 398 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,400 to and what you watch. Here's this the seventh thing in 399 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,200 the last thing that they say is that we're just getting started 400 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,500 as like a couple of the other points that we talked about. 401 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:00,900 I'm not sure how this point defines the new Independent 402 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:03,200 Baptist, right? We mean just getting started. 403 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,000 I suppose I'll just have to be left wondering where this new 404 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,600 Independent Baptist movement is going. 405 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,500 But it's been around for probably. 406 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,000 I don't know. Less than 10 years. 407 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,500 We're probably Probably the majority of 10 years now, I 408 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,800 guess. And already we can see the 409 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,000 direction that it's going in, and it's not good, what they're 410 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,400 producing and the product that is being put out of some of 411 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,800 these colleges. Especially, and, and the young 412 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:32,100 men that are being produced in these churches is, is troubling 413 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:35,800 And there's a certain look, right? 414 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,900 You got to have a floppy little mop of hair and shaved side. 415 00:21:38,900 --> 00:21:41,800 You gotta have skinny jeans on that are tight at the ankles 416 00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:44,600 that that's what you have to be. If that's who you're if you're 417 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,100 going to be a modern Pastor today, right? 418 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:51,200 And I mean I know clothes don't Define everything. 419 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,400 There's probably some good Christians mixed into that group 420 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,900 and I'm not, I'm not saying that all of them are bad Christians, 421 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:59,900 but what I'm saying is their desire is not to be as much like 422 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:03,100 Crisis, they can be their desires to be as much and as As 423 00:22:03,108 --> 00:22:05,500 well liked as they can be. So they can get the most people 424 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,100 in that they can get in the ends. 425 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:10,200 Justify the means, and we'll do whatever we have to do to be 426 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,200 able to get the gospel to somebody. 427 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,200 And yes, we should be doing everything we can get to do to 428 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,100 get the gospel to somebody, but God is going to bless it more 429 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,200 when we do it his way versus trying to do it our way. 430 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:25,200 And I'm not it's not so much for me personally, even though I'm 431 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,100 always learning. But by God's grace, there's some 432 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:30,500 things that are set in stone. We're not, we're not changing 433 00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:33,000 those things, but I'm more concerned about the up. 434 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:37,600 Upcoming generation. The generation. 435 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,500 Now let's just say that we started changing things here, we 436 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,700 change the standards and we change the music. 437 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:47,400 Can we change the Bible version? And most of the most of the 438 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,400 adults in this room are not going to go but so far and, and 439 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,300 me as a pastor, if I start changing things, I'm only going 440 00:22:55,300 --> 00:22:58,600 to go so far. But you know who that effects. 441 00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:04,500 In a dramatic way. The Next Generation and what we 442 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:09,800 allow in small doses, they are going to do in excess and even 443 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,200 though we might not be dramatically compromising, we're 444 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,800 training another generation to be completely compromised 445 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,100 because they don't even know what it used to be. 446 00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:24,300 Like to be a strong independent fundamental Baptist, all they 447 00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:28,700 know is this week, you know, soft Neo, independent, 448 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:31,600 fundamental Baptist, and then they take that and they take it 449 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,900 a step. Step farther, and they're going 450 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:35,200 to train a generation. That's not even saved if they're 451 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:41,100 saved themselves. So, one of these days and these, 452 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:43,700 especially these training institutions, where our kids may 453 00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:48,100 possibly go and find a mate, or get a diploma, but then I'm 454 00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:50,600 concerned about the next generation of preachers, as well 455 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,500 as the other preachers out there who are, like, I am. 456 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:55,400 But may feel the pressure to go this route, you know, because 457 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,600 because it's portrayed, as the only kind level-headed 458 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,900 scholarly, Rated bible-believing, you know, 459 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,700 passionate Soul conscious accountable Fellowship, that 460 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,700 that's in, you know, that that the that that type of 461 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:12,300 independent fundamental Baptist can enjoy. 462 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,800 So I pray that God allows me to be all of those things and 463 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,800 though many other brothers who desire, the same, but who do not 464 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,600 desire to Veer down that path. And it's a path and you've got 465 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,100 to start walking it to get there. 466 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:28,300 It's not something that happens overnight. 467 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,600 Because could you imagine if I came in here Next Sunday. 468 00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:37,700 And I was in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt and I got up here on 469 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:42,600 Sunday morning Could you imagine what you would think and 470 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,600 probably what you would say? Right. 471 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,000 Especially then if I combine that with you walked in and 472 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,700 instead of a piano, we had a drum set And instead of these, 473 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,900 you know, these nice lights and all this other stuff, we had all 474 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:57,300 these purple lights all over the stage and everything else. 475 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:01,000 Most of you would probably walk out and say I went into the 476 00:25:01,008 --> 00:25:02,700 wrong place. What you know and make sure 477 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:04,700 you're going to check the sign and make sure you walked into 478 00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:08,600 the right building, right? Because you don't do that in one 479 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,000 giant leap. It's gradual changes that take 480 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,300 place over five 10, 15 years. And then all of those people who 481 00:25:17,300 --> 00:25:21,300 are just being more and more brainwashed that this is okay. 482 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,400 And I don't really like it, but, whatever. 483 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,800 And then eventually, you get used to it to the point where 484 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,600 man, if you could see where you were 15 years ago and where you 485 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,200 are now, you would be shocked but because those changes happen 486 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,900 so gradually you're not shocked by it and now you're training a 487 00:25:36,908 --> 00:25:40,700 new generation who that's not only are they not shocked by it? 488 00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:44,000 That's all they know. And they're just going to take 489 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,700 that and run with it even farther from their and your 490 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:51,400 pragmatism your ends justify the means is going to be a whole lot 491 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,900 farther. They're going to take it a whole 492 00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:56,000 lot farther than you would ever take it and you'll be shocked at 493 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 what they allow, but you can't help it because that's exactly 494 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,600 what you did. And you can't say anything about 495 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,100 it because that's exactly what you did. 496 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:07,100 I know we could have church growth and I this it's not equal 497 00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:09,900 to spiritual growth, but if we were just preach truth and then 498 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:12,800 not make any application to it. That's what a lot of, that's 499 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,100 what a lot of these churches are doing, all right, I know that we 500 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:21,900 could ignore bible-based, Holy Spirit convictions to have more 501 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:25,900 man, perceived results. But if I did that, I just happen 502 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:28,800 to think that that it would adversely affect the level of 503 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,100 discipleship in my life and the life of lives of all of those 504 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:36,300 that I have the leadership responsibilities to. 505 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,000 I know it's hard to carry across No, it's unpopular to carry 506 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,900 across. I know the cross is heavy 507 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:46,500 sometimes and it's difficult to convince others to do that. 508 00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:49,300 I know that it will cause you to look peculiar in the world's 509 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:51,300 eyes. Real crosses are looked down 510 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,900 upon not just by the world, but by a lot of Christianity. 511 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,500 Nobody wants to pick up their cross and carry their cross. 512 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,700 And honestly, we're living in these pop culture politically 513 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:06,500 correct days. And what happens is when you get 514 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:11,800 a soft Church, who is not used to any kind of hard preaching, 515 00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:14,900 you can't preach on things that go against Pop Culture. 516 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,200 You can't preach against things that are socially unacceptable, 517 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,700 because you got a whole church full of people who have 518 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:24,700 socially, accepted, everything and who are nothing but pop 519 00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:27,400 culture and the The minute you say something about that. 520 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,600 You're the one that's gone. They're not going to change it. 521 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:35,300 They outnumber You by far but you cultivated that you brought 522 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,500 all those people in and you didn't bring them along. 523 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,500 Right. People who get saved now 524 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,700 probably do have some of those pop culture ideas, right? 525 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,000 They may be very on board with abortion or very okay with 526 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,800 homosexuality, but the job of the church is not to be soft on 527 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,700 those things. The job of the church is to 528 00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,900 teach them that those things are wrong. 529 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200 And here's why they're wrong. And this is what's right. 530 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,300 And this is why it's right. And what I found is that, for 531 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:07,500 the most part, people want to be led, they want to be fed. 532 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,900 They want to know the truth. They're just, they just don't do 533 00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,400 it and they don't believe it because they've never heard it. 534 00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:17,600 You show it to me from the Bible and I'll believe it. 535 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,600 That's what most people's mindset is. 536 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,300 But if you never show it to him from the Bible and then all the 537 00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:23,900 sudden, one day, you're going to get up and preach. 538 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:28,200 These hard messages, they're going to push back against it. 539 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,800 You're in the minority at that point because you've trained 540 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,800 them that way. And so it's so important that we 541 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,700 make sure that we take a stand in these areas and I also know 542 00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:41,800 that to change in some of these areas. 543 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,400 This new group is encouraging pastors. 544 00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:45,600 To change in what effect? The well done. 545 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,800 That I want to hear God. Say, when I get to heaven, when 546 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,100 I stand before it, I'm not changing. 547 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,100 And I hope you don't want to change on those things. 548 00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:57,400 Either to adopt Conformity to this world in my life and in the 549 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,600 church would affect the outcome of my Works, after they passed 550 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,100 through the Judgment. When I stand before God someday, 551 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:05,700 we're all going to go through the fire. 552 00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:10,800 When we stand before, God, the Bible says that every man's work 553 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,700 will be Tried by fire to see what sort it is. 554 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,000 Everything that's wood. Hay, and stubble is going to be 555 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,200 burned up. The only thing that's going to 556 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,600 last is the things that are silver and gold, right? 557 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:23,100 I'm not trying to say that. I'm the only one carrying across 558 00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:26,700 not trying to say that josh Tyson is not a disciple of Jesus 559 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:28,800 Christ. I trying to say that you have to 560 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,400 draw have address standard or a music standard or anything, but 561 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,900 the grace of God to be saved. Still only a sinner saved by 562 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:37,500 grace. Right? 563 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,700 Even if I have those standards but I'm not interested in 564 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:44,200 comparing myself with others because of those standards, none 565 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,000 of that. I'm really only speaking for 566 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,400 myself and for the ones to whom God has called me to pastor and 567 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,800 God has called me to lead and God's called you to be here or 568 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,500 you wouldn't be here, right. I have said this many times and 569 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,700 I believe it is as much as I did. 570 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,600 The first time I said it, when we had 10 people here, God has 571 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,400 people that he wants to be in this church and I mean we're 572 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,800 doing everything we can to have people live help people live as 573 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,800 closely to the word of God as we can. 574 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,000 But I also understand that this is not the church that God wants 575 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,500 every single person in the world in Right, there's other good 576 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:27,200 churches out there and that might be where God wants 577 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,900 somebody else to be plugged in. We want the people here that God 578 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:34,500 wants to have here. But once you get here and you 579 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:37,400 tell me that you believe, God LED you here, then you need to 580 00:30:37,408 --> 00:30:40,000 be willing to be led. You need to be willing to 581 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,100 change. What needs to be changed. 582 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:44,700 You need to be willing to follow the word of God and you'd be 583 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:47,800 willing to follow the pastor as I follow Christ. 584 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,800 Right? And the moment that I move away 585 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,400 from that, you either leave and go somewhere else or you bring 586 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,400 it to the attention and say, hey, I think we're getting off 587 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,700 in this area, right? So God will reveal one day. 588 00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:05,900 How all of us carried our crosses and to what level, and 589 00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:09,300 to what lengths we are willing to carry those God's God's going 590 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:10,800 to reveal. And it may not be far away. 591 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,300 Whether our works were pure and whether they were right, and 592 00:31:14,308 --> 00:31:16,700 I'll leave that up to him. I'm not fearful. 593 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:18,500 And I'll be honest with you, as I was reading. 594 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,900 And through some of these responses in this, you know, 595 00:31:21,908 --> 00:31:24,800 like the he this article that he wrote and reading some of those 596 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,300 responses that was a little word of the used, a lot. 597 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:32,500 Fearful, I'm not intimidated to try to try to change things or 598 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:34,900 to try to not do these things for the cause of Jesus Christ. 599 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:37,900 The only thing that I would comment on is the fact that he 600 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:40,900 says, we're just now inheriting the established pulpit. 601 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:43,600 That's what we said and is article. 602 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,300 We're just getting started. We're just now inheriting, the 603 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:49,400 established Pulpit. Let's not throw away the 604 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,300 foundation on which that inheritance was built. 605 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,000 We have a rich history. As Independent Baptist, we have 606 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,300 a rich history as Baptists and it doesn't mean the same thing 607 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600 to call yourself a Baptist today that it used to mean, doesn't 608 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,400 mean the same thing to call yourself an independent 609 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,100 fundamental Baptist today than what it used to mean. 610 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,800 But there's a lot of men who gave a lot of blood and sweat 611 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:20,000 and tears to hold that high. And just because a lot of people 612 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,600 have perverted that does not mean that we need to try to 613 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,800 change it while we're not taking. 614 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,800 Baptist off the sign. That's why we're not going to 615 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,300 stop calling ourselves. Independent fundamental Baptist. 616 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,100 Temptation is there because again, it doesn't mean the same 617 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:34,700 thing used to be that when you saw this was a Baptist Church, 618 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,500 you could go there for church on a vacation and you can trust it 619 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,400 can't anymore used to be that. If it said independent 620 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,100 fundamental Baptist underneath the bat, you know their name on 621 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,200 their sign, that you could trust it, you can go in there and you 622 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,900 would be fine. Now you don't know what you're 623 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:50,500 going to get. It so it doesn't mean the same 624 00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:55,000 thing that it used to mean but we can hold the line on what it 625 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,700 used to mean and we can continue doing what the Bible says, we 626 00:32:57,708 --> 00:32:59,000 ought to do and continue living the way. 627 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,000 The Bible says, we ought to live now. 628 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400 This is a this is kind of a long response and I'm going to close 629 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,200 with this but dr. Earl Jessup. 630 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,300 He was actually the founder of Baptist church planting 631 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:11,500 Ministry. Jeremy Rowland is the director 632 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:13,400 of that now, and they were a help to us. 633 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,800 When we were getting started, they gave us 25,000 John and 634 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,800 Romans to help us pass out. And they had A lot of a lot of 635 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,400 knowledge that we needed when they helped us get started. 636 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,300 But when we first started that whole process. 637 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,400 Dr. Earl Jessup was alive and he was the director still. 638 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,700 He got cancer and he was kind of in the middle of that. 639 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:35,600 I met him at a conference and we we hit it off really well and he 640 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,500 went say that he begged us to start a church with their 641 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,500 Ministry, but he really wanted us to depart. 642 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:44,400 He really wanted to partner with us and do that. 643 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,300 And so, we started that but then he died, but this article was 644 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200 Actually written. I don't know if 56 years ago 645 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,700 probably and and and like I said so many people that responded to 646 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,300 it. But he actually wrote I guess 647 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:01,400 you would call an open letter and rather than try to 648 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,000 paraphrase his words or take a little bits and pieces and give 649 00:34:05,008 --> 00:34:07,300 them to you as mine. I want to read what he said. 650 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:11,900 He is essentially answering this this this article that Josh Tice 651 00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:12,900 wrote. Here's what he said. 652 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,100 I guess many would categorize me as the old ifb likely because of 653 00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:20,699 what I believe in practice, however, that characterization 654 00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,100 would be mistaken. In fact, the majority of 655 00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:28,500 independent Baptists are not old ifb, nor are we the ni B new 656 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:30,699 Independent Baptist? We are just men of God, 657 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,300 fulfilling the will of God in our lives with little interest 658 00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:37,000 in what the old or the new do or think we are more interested in 659 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,500 what God thinks we're not nor ever have been part of a 660 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,300 movement. We realized that Christ died for 661 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,600 the Church. And our responsibility is to 662 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,199 Christ to his word and to the leading of the holy spirit in 663 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,900 our lives and the lives of those to whom we Minister. 664 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,600 We find no place in the scripture but there should be 665 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,200 any loyalty beyond the word of God and the local church. 666 00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:01,100 Let me explain the word movement seemed to be prevalent in the 667 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,200 posting and comments. Yes, there is a movement that 668 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,700 has been called the ifb. This movement is just like the 669 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:12,200 denominations of the SBC. The BBF Ghar Ghar, BC. 670 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:15,000 Just to name a few As denominations need leaders 671 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,000 movements need leaders these leaders because they are men 672 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,400 make mistakes and in some cases fall even Moses fell in numbers 673 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,000 20 when he struck the rock David Fell in second Samuel 11 good 674 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,600 men are still men. Now there is a new movement 675 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,000 called the N IB. This movement, our word for a 676 00:35:31,008 --> 00:35:33,700 denomination will have its leaders in these leaders are 677 00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:36,100 just men and they will make mistakes lead him properly and 678 00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,600 some may fall if history proves true and it usually does this 679 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,200 movement will degenerate just like the previous ones have and 680 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,600 maybe Wise to forget the movement and just be the pastor 681 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,900 God wants you to be. If you do, you'll follow many 682 00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:52,200 pastors who are just Faithfully following the Lord. 683 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,100 And pastoring, the people God has given them. 684 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,900 They are letting men answer to God for their Ministries and 685 00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,200 they don't care about the older. The new they care about their 686 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,100 flock and their faithfulness to God. 687 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,700 There's a word that is conspicuously missing from what 688 00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:08,400 I read in the post in the comments, it's the word balance, 689 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,100 balance, men don't need any leader or movement, they have 690 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,800 Christ in his word. Ali, there are majority of 691 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,600 Pastors in this country who are balanced in their Ministries and 692 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,600 quietly go about shepherding their flock. 693 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,700 Protecting them from those who have become biblically 694 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:25,000 unbalanced in either direction, these men are more concerned 695 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,200 about Holiness, which is another word missing in the post, except 696 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,800 for a - mention early in the post, you see balance men don't 697 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,100 harp on issues, like dress, they preach and how God wants us to 698 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:37,800 be holy and give him our best. It's not about specific. 699 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,500 It's about principles. All churches have standards. 700 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,800 I remember one preacher saying to me, that his church didn't 701 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,900 have any dress, Standards. I asked him if it was all right 702 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:47,600 for a lady to wear a bikini to church. 703 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:51,200 His answer was absolutely not. I then told him that he had 704 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600 standards but they were just lower than mine balance men have 705 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,800 standards and those standards are based on the Bible. 706 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,400 For example, when The Prodigal Son came home, what did the 707 00:36:59,408 --> 00:37:02,500 father put on him? Luke 15 20 to bring forth the 708 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:05,300 best robe no he didn't put on a suit shirt and tie. 709 00:37:05,300 --> 00:37:08,200 He put the best on him. This seems to be very simple 710 00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:10,500 when meeting with the father we ought to wear our best. 711 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,400 Best is different in clothing but the same in principle. 712 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,800 All years ago, we were in a meeting back up in the mountains 713 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,300 of West Virginia. My son said, to a man dressed in 714 00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:22,100 a very neat coveralls. Where's the pastor, men replied? 715 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:26,300 I'm the pastor son, he was dressed in his best balance men, 716 00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:27,800 teach their people to look their best. 717 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,700 When coming to church, why? Because God deserves our best 718 00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:32,800 weather in Las Vegas, Kenya or the mountains of West. 719 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,200 Virginia balance men are on the side of Holiness and modesty 720 00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:40,600 rather than on the side of unholiness and in modesty and 721 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,300 that makes sense for every preacher for balance men. 722 00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:45,600 In this, in the character of God, dictates our style of 723 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,500 worship the songs. We sing. 724 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,400 What we wear etcetera. The Lord made it clear to the 725 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,800 children of Israel to be careful about the worldly worship of 726 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000 those in the land of Canaan. He won them several times about 727 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,100 this and gives a list of Bible verses. 728 00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:01,000 The result of their failure is found in judges 2 and the 729 00:38:01,008 --> 00:38:03,000 remainder of the book. It's sad ending for their 730 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,100 failure. You mentioned in artificial list 731 00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,700 of Holiness. Josh God made a list of 732 00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:11,300 standards for the Old Testament. Priest in Leviticus twenty one, 733 00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:14,900 this list was for those serving. The physical sacrifices in the 734 00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:16,900 Tabernacle. If God expected, the Old 735 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:19,400 Testament, priests have certain standards, then you would surely 736 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,300 agree that the New Testament, priests who offer up spiritual 737 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,800 sacrifices in First Peter chapter 2, should abide by 738 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,600 certain standards. In fact, one can take the 739 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,600 standards listed in Leviticus and correlate them to verses in 740 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,900 the New Testament for us today. It is true. 741 00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:35,500 Isn't it that the Old Testament scriptures were written for our 742 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:40,400 learning what it says in Romans 15 balance men have preached 743 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,700 expository messages for years. Because some leaders who thought 744 00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:47,800 that everyone followed them, read a verse close, their Bible 745 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,700 and ranted for 45 minutes. Doesn't mean that thousands of 746 00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:52,900 Godly men across this country did the same. 747 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,700 If that were the case there wouldn't be good churches 748 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:57,900 scattered throughout this land with good people and them 749 00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:59,500 serving the lord and living holy lives. 750 00:38:59,700 --> 00:39:02,600 Remember you are the third generation not the second the 751 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,000 second old followed men who gave up so much to become independent 752 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,300 Baptist. These were men who lost their 753 00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:12,100 churches, their friends and many times their Financial Security 754 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,400 they left the Of this church to begin churches without any ties 755 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,600 to the denominational structure. However they brought with them 756 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,900 remnants of the denomination. They still remain with us today. 757 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,600 They started fellowships and associations thinking that these 758 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,100 would be needed to hold them together. 759 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,000 These became the movements, the Camp's, the denominations of the 760 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,700 ifb, they're still with us today and the old I have be developed 761 00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,100 these movements with their leaders and these leaders and 762 00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,500 followers separated from anyone who disagreed with them. 763 00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:40,800 This is what you already crying and you should. 764 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,700 However if you're not careful, you will fall Into the same 765 00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:47,700 scenario, you're labeling a new movement called the NIV. 766 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,600 This will follow the same track as before and the things you 767 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,300 would be crying. Now will become will come back 768 00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:54,800 to haunt you. One day, there will likely be an 769 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,100 n and IB which will stand for the new new Independent Baptist. 770 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,000 These young preachers will criticize you for your failures. 771 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,600 Yes, you will have them and start the process. 772 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,700 All over again. Who knows what sorts of media 773 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:07,700 they'll have? Wouldn't it be better to Simply 774 00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:10,300 have the movement to the Holy Spirit and our churches rather 775 00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:13,100 than some man-made title for unbalanced men to follow? 776 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:15,900 There have been good, Godly balance, Independent, Baptist 777 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:17,300 down through the years that have done this. 778 00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,900 We need no old ifb leaders. And we didn't know, new new 779 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:24,000 independent Baptists leaders. We need God in our attention to 780 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400 his Holiness and character and nothing else. 781 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:29,600 The denominational politics, you mentioned is exactly what I'm 782 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,300 talking about. As the ifb tried to dictate 783 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,000 philosophy and standards. Now, there is the NIV and this 784 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,200 new denomination is going to do the same balance. 785 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,900 Men don't need nor want you or anyone else to lead them they 786 00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:42,900 have a leader. Who is the chief Shepherd these 787 00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,600 men didn't Listen to the ifb and they aren't going to listen to 788 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,700 the NIV. Yes, there will be those who 789 00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:49,800 follow this new movement. Just as there have been men, who 790 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,800 followed the old movement. Thankfully most won't, they're 791 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,300 too busy studying the scriptures and caring for their flock to be 792 00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:57,700 on the internet reading and writing about such things. 793 00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,600 Yes, there have been men, some leaders and some followers who 794 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,000 Miss manage their finances, and there will be others, even in 795 00:41:03,008 --> 00:41:04,500 the new Independent Baptist. Why? 796 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,300 Because men are wicked flesh and like, the power that comes with 797 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:10,200 the pulpit and like the power that comes with the pulpit. 798 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,400 However, they are and will be a minority. 799 00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:15,400 Thankfully, the Jordy of pastors are Faithfully leading their 800 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,200 flocks. Not lording over them. 801 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,400 These men understand their answerable to God and he will 802 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,500 bring into light that which is done in darkness. 803 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,400 They're Faithful Men Who sadly have been overshadowed, but 804 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,800 those who have get by those who have gained the headlines 805 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,200 because of their pride and arrogance. 806 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,900 Josh, surely you don't believe that the NIV are the first ones 807 00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:34,200 to be well read. I really don't think that is 808 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,900 what you intended, but it came across that way. 809 00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:38,200 Look at the ministries of men who are balanced in their 810 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,000 Ministries. These men have spent time in the 811 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,600 word of God and studying, the wisdom of men of the past, their 812 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,200 libraries are Filled with volumes and volumes of books, to 813 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,100 prepare them for the pulpit, they prepared for Sunday by 814 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,900 hours of study, sadly many of the ni many of the NIV are 815 00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,700 spending their time on the internet, with some getting 816 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:56,000 their messages from sermon central or some other internet 817 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000 source and getting up on Sunday and preaching warmed-over truth. 818 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,100 That someone else got from God. Yes you are just getting 819 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,800 started. But in fact you're not It was 820 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,100 started for you by many who sacrificed more than you will 821 00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:10,600 ever know. They fought the fights so you 822 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,300 don't have to fight them. You've been given a great 823 00:42:13,300 --> 00:42:16,500 heritage and one that you should not take for granted yes, men 824 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,100 failed and there will be failures in the end. 825 00:42:18,100 --> 00:42:21,300 I be to Any Time men are involved in Ministry, there will 826 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,700 be failures and it's on men, follow leaders rather than 827 00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:25,000 Christ. In his word, there will be men 828 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,400 who fail. They always have and they always 829 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,600 will, sadly unbalanced. Unbiblical men chose to cover 830 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,700 those failures rather than facing them biblically. 831 00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:37,800 Hopefully the ni We'll learn from their error and I encourage 832 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,900 you to be faithful to his word and not some philosophy or ideas 833 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:42,400 of men. They always produce failure. 834 00:42:43,300 --> 00:42:45,400 There's another word that seem to be prevalent in your post in 835 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,400 the comments. It's the word preference, Maybe 836 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,700 I'm Wrong. There seems to be a major 837 00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,600 emphasis on this word. When we when relating to the ni 838 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,000 be. Could we possibly be looking at 839 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,500 this from the wrong perspective? We seem to be looking at it from 840 00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:02,400 our preference and what he's person would prefer, thus giving 841 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,200 them Liberty to do, as they see fit, maybe we should look at 842 00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:07,900 This from God's perspective, what does God prefer? 843 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,700 What he prefer our best dress or casual dress for worship? 844 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,800 What he prefer, modesty or in modesty? 845 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,100 What? He prefer music that has nothing 846 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:20,000 to do with the world or music that has a worldly connotation. 847 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,700 Maybe it would be best if we started to look at it a bit 848 00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,700 differently and make a difference in our worship style 849 00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:26,900 or dressed in our walk with the Lord. 850 00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:30,400 If we can to seek what? God prefers I also noticed that 851 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,100 the word fundamental is missing. Maybe you should consider nif be 852 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,100 sadly. The old missed, not the word, 853 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,200 but the truth of the word, it's not just the word, but the truth 854 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,600 behind it that are important as time progressed, the ifb got 855 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,700 sidetracked by side issues for getting the fundamentals and 856 00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:50,200 where they came from. If you chose to eliminate the 857 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,200 fundamentals, you two will end up where they ended up 858 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:55,200 fundamentals, are simply the basics. 859 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,800 If you ignore the basics of our faith, you two will fail, all 860 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,700 you need to do. Ask any manager of any team, 861 00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:02,500 what happens when they get away from the fundamentals of the 862 00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:03,800 game? They manager coach. 863 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,100 They'll tell you that any team not concentrating on. 864 00:44:06,107 --> 00:44:09,400 The fundamentals will end up in last place while some of the 865 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,400 outspoken leaders of the camps and movements and denominations 866 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,800 got away from the fundamentals. Good balance. 867 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,500 Men of every decade. Didn't they quietly stood true 868 00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:20,900 to the fundamentals of the scripture without influence from 869 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:23,000 anyone? Josh I want you to know. 870 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,900 I want you to be as successful in your ministry as you can be, 871 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,200 your success will not be based on how many you You have or how 872 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,000 many influence it will be based on how we Faithfully follow the 873 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,700 word of God. I encourage you to be a balanced 874 00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:39,400 preacher if you do. You'll follow in the steps of 875 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,400 many Godly preachers who have gone before you. 876 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:45,800 They're not the old ifb. They are not the NIV are 877 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,800 balanced preachers holding forth. 878 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,300 The truth to the flocks. God has given them are waiting 879 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:53,900 for the chief Shepherd to appear when they shall receive a Crown 880 00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:57,300 of Glory that fadeth not away. Great article. 881 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,200 I know it's long but men so well written. 882 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,900 We have a lot to fight for We really do. 883 00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:09,000 We've been given so much and so many people that have stood for 884 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,400 the truth, for so many years, they just get swept under the 885 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,600 rug as if they never did it by this new Independent Baptist 886 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,700 movement. But we have to do it with the 887 00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:20,100 right Spirit. We have to do it with the power 888 00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:23,500 of God, or anything that we're trying to do is going to fail. 889 00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:27,900 I think he in a lot of the ways, Earl Jessup. 890 00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:30,200 As he's writing this describe exactly what we're trying to 891 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,000 accomplish in our church. We don't have a lot of 892 00:45:32,008 --> 00:45:34,500 connections. We don't have a lot of people 893 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,400 in, don't have a lot of churches that we fellowship with and 894 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,900 things like that. It's because we don't have time 895 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:43,500 to focus on that as much as we have to focus on what God is 896 00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:47,400 trying to do here, what God wants to do in us and what God 897 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,600 wants to do through us, he's given us the responsibility to 898 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,900 influence and impact this area for the cause of Christ. 899 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,800 And If all we're doing is worried about what everybody 900 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,500 else is doing around us. Then we're going to miss out on 901 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,500 that. And I don't want to miss it, 902 00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:05,100 God's doing great things here and and and not just not just 903 00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:08,700 growing in numbers. I believe that a lot of a lot of 904 00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:12,800 you are taking great spiritual steps, don't ever don't ever 905 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,200 stop. Don't ever quit doing that. 906 00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:20,700 But the moment we stop preaching the truth of the word of God. 907 00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:22,900 And the moment we start being soft on sin. 908 00:46:22,900 --> 00:46:26,600 In the moment, we stop start caring more about what other 909 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,200 people think than what God thinks is. 910 00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:33,000 Moment that all of us as a church, whether we grow in 911 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,400 numbers or not are going to backslide and God cannot bless 912 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,300 that. I'd rather be 40 people. 913 00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:43,700 That God has got a hold of, that is doing something for the cause 914 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:45,900 of Christ. And before hundred people who 915 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:49,900 don't have God's power. There's a lot of churches that 916 00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:53,400 are 400 people that don't have God's power and they're 917 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,900 absolutely worthless in the eyes of God. 918 00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,600 I'm thankful we have more than 40 people. 919 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,100 But let's have people that God can use because we're given over 920 00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:05,700 to him. And we're more concerned about 921 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:10,100 living lives of Holiness, in line with him, and in line with 922 00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,500 his word, then would care about what everybody else thinks about 923 00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,800 us, when anybody else is doing, anybody else's growth strategy, 924 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,900 or whatever else, you know, the best best growth strategy, go 925 00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:24,600 out and win souls for Christ. We don't have a growth strategy 926 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,700 here. We're going out and trying to 927 00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:30,000 win souls for Christ. And the more souls you in for 928 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,700 Christ, the more people come in and want their lives to be 929 00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:36,700 changed and God will change them and you're going to grow and the 930 00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:40,900 more you grow, the more you grow spiritually, the more you'll get 931 00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:43,100 out there and tell other people about Christ. 932 00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,600 The more you tell the people about Christ, more people are 933 00:47:45,607 --> 00:47:48,000 going to get saved in the more people get saved, the more they 934 00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:49,900 have to influence other people as well. 935 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,700 We have to worry about how do you get more people in through 936 00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:54,700 the door? I'll tell you how, give them the 937 00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:56,700 gospel. They'll come in. 938 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,000 God will bring him here. And that's what our Focus ought 939 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,900 to be. We're done for tonight, but I'm 940 00:48:01,908 --> 00:48:03,400 going to, I'm going to give you one more lesson. 941 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,500 Not doesn't have anything to do with this new, Independent 942 00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:07,000 Baptist movement, and all that stuff. 943 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,200 One more kind of just to wrap up everything about the Baptist in 944 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,900 the Independent Baptist and all that stuff. 945 00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:16,600 Then we'll move on to a new topic but let's pray and we'll 946 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,800 be done. Father, we love you again. 947 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,500 We thank you so much for what you have given us in the 948 00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,100 Heritage that we do have. And for the men who have stood 949 00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:25,800 for the truth of the word of God and have stood strong on those 950 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,500 things for all those years, many that are gone now. 951 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,500 Now who ran their race and no doubt heard you say, Well done 952 00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:35,500 thou good and faithful servant. God, I pray that you'd help each 953 00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,600 one of us to run our race in the same way and that our church 954 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,400 would not be not, not comparing us to anybody else or with 955 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,000 anything else, but only to your standards of Holiness and to 956 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,200 living the way that you want us to live God. 957 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,000 I pray that you'd be pleased with this church. 958 00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:55,400 Maybe we do everything, we can to reach souls for the cause of 959 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,300 Jesus Christ. With the time we have left. 960 00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,500 Thank you for all you do for us in Jesus name. 961 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,300 Amen.