1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,300 I was to Isaiah chapter 46, we're going to get there 2 00:00:04,300 --> 00:00:08,000 probably closer to the end of what we're going to talk about 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,400 tonight, but I'll give you a place to start. 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:12,800 May want to take some notes here. 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,400 I've got a decent number of things that I want to read to 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,100 you from we're going to talk about the Presbyterian church. 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,500 And some of the other denominations that we've talked 8 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:25,200 about have sort of been this way as well, but you're talking 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,000 about 500 years of History, where a lot of stuff has 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,300 happened in Third years. And so trying to put all of this 11 00:00:33,300 --> 00:00:35,200 together in a way that makes sense. 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:41,400 And without giving you too much is a pretty difficult task. 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,900 And so, what I think I'm going to end up doing is probably 14 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:48,300 splitting this up between three weeks, we're going to get into 15 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:51,200 some of just in talking about their history. 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,200 We're going to get into some of their Doctrine tonight and then 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,400 look at a few of the things from the Bible on why we don't agree 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:03,300 with it, but I think I think and I'll probably wrap up with this 19 00:01:03,300 --> 00:01:05,099 when we get to the end of all of it as well. 20 00:01:05,099 --> 00:01:08,200 But I think I think the Presbyterian Church started off 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,100 like a whole lot of others. They have some doctrine that 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,300 that we don't agree with as Baptist that separates us from 23 00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:18,400 the Presbyterian church, but I think very early on especially 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:23,600 they were preaching the gospel and you still have certain sects 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,700 within the Presbyterian Church that are still preaching. 26 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:31,300 The gospel I believe but they in To continue doing that, have had 27 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:33,800 two separate from the main line Presbyterian church. 28 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,900 And so we'll find some of those perhaps you've heard of Ian 29 00:01:38,900 --> 00:01:42,700 Paisley and some of the other guys in the same vein as he is 30 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:48,400 in, in Ireland and Scotland and some of those areas I've heard, 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Ian Paisley, preached, many messages and he's very, very 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,900 solid on the gospel that he probably had some other 33 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:57,300 doctrines that I don't necessarily agree with him on. 34 00:01:57,300 --> 00:02:03,100 But again I think I think Early on the Presbyterians were very 35 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:07,000 much like us in a lot of ways - a few of the doctrines that we 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,300 do disagree on which we're going to talk about and why we 37 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:13,800 disagree on them. But late 1800s, early 1900s, 38 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,400 mid-1900s really the Presbyterian Church as a 39 00:02:17,408 --> 00:02:22,100 denomination took a hard left turn and anytime a denomination 40 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:25,700 does that doctrinal? You're going to get way off on a 41 00:02:25,700 --> 00:02:29,800 lot of other things as well, and now Presbyterian Church USA. 42 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:35,500 Say, a lot of times, it's just, you know, the PC USA is very 43 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:41,000 liberal and has adopted a lot of the, you know, acceptance of 44 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:47,000 homosexuality and homosexual. Marriage is bye-bye Presbyterian 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,500 clergy and abortion. In a lot of ways in a lot of 46 00:02:51,500 --> 00:02:53,500 other things that they've accepted, of course, you know, 47 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:57,000 honestly, I think, I think one of the first things that they 48 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,800 started getting off in was, Allowing, women preachers 49 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:06,600 ordaining, women clergy late, 1800s. 50 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,800 When that started and by the 1900's, they started allowing 51 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,700 more and more and more of that. And then by the 1950s, they 52 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:16,200 completely redid their entire catechism. 53 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,700 If you will, or whatever it is, they're booked that they use. 54 00:03:18,700 --> 00:03:22,300 That kind of that kind of directs the denomination 55 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,900 completely rewrote it, because they had so many things that 56 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:27,900 were so liberal that they had they couldn't just continue on 57 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:29,200 with what they were doing. They had to rewrite. 58 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,300 So I do To get too far ahead of myself, but I want to give you a 59 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:35,800 quick synopsis of the presbyterianism before we get 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,800 into the nuts and bolts of the denomination. 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:43,800 But Presbyterian is part of the reformed tradition which is or 62 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,900 within the Protestant, you know, within product protestantism 63 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:50,000 that traces, the origin back to the church of Scotland. 64 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,200 And we're going to have to go all the way back to the five and 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,900 six hundreds to get back to this. 66 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:59,100 But really, it arose out of the Reformation, but reformed 67 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,700 theology, Is something that is really making a return In 68 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:06,200 America, which is basically Calvinism. 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,400 And it's starting to get starting amongst certain 70 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,100 denominations in certain groups to really start to make a push 71 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:13,900 again, and that's kind of what we're going to talk about 72 00:04:13,900 --> 00:04:16,100 tonight. But Presbyterian churches. 73 00:04:16,100 --> 00:04:19,700 Derive their name from the Presbyterian form of government. 74 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:26,000 It's the Presbytery that runs or represents the Assemblies of 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,900 Elders. And that's, that's called a 76 00:04:27,907 --> 00:04:29,900 presbyterian. So Presbyterian. 77 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,300 Is where that comes from. But a lot of reformed churches 78 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:34,800 are organized that way. But the word Presbyterian when 79 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,200 you capitalize that word is often a very, very often applied 80 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,500 uniquely to churches that Trace their roots to the Church of 81 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:45,400 Scotland, or to English the center groups that formed during 82 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,000 the English Civil War, which we're going to talk about as 83 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,300 well. And that was all the way back in 84 00:04:49,300 --> 00:04:52,400 the 1640s and 50s. And that's honestly, that's, 85 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,800 that's about the time that it came to the United States 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,400 because of that as well. But presbyterian theology, 87 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,200 typically emphasizes the sovereignty of God, the 88 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,600 authority of the scriptures and the necessity of grace through 89 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,000 faith in Jesus Christ. Which again, I believe that 90 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,900 especially early on and then those that are holding to the 91 00:05:11,900 --> 00:05:16,400 fundamentals of presbyterianism are preaching the true gospel. 92 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:20,300 I think there's there's a possibility that many people 93 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:22,200 within presbyterianism are saved. 94 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,200 They get off on some other doctrines that that again, that 95 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,800 we don't agree with, but that's where our disagreement is, is 96 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:32,400 Not necessarily with their authority of scriptures they 97 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,200 believe in the authority of scriptures and honestly the 98 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,300 Presbyterian, the fundamental Presbyterian Church holds to the 99 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:44,900 King James only as their as their source of Doctrine. 100 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:48,300 So they're like us in a lot of ways - a few of these other 101 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:49,500 doctrines that we're going to talk about. 102 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:52,400 But this is according to the website of the Presbyterian 103 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,700 Church USA. By the way, you can find a whole 104 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:57,200 lot about a denomination by going to their website. 105 00:05:57,300 --> 00:06:04,600 They They essentially they had their website, is their official 106 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,000 statement on all of these things. 107 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,800 And if you go to the Presbyterian Church, USA website 108 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,200 they have a list, a long list of where do we stand on these 109 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,000 issues and they just have one issue after another and they 110 00:06:16,008 --> 00:06:17,400 have a statement about each one of them. 111 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,700 And a lot of those come from their their their books of, you 112 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:23,900 know, directing doctrines and so on. 113 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:27,000 But they say this presbyterianism and a wide sense 114 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,400 is the system of church government by representative 115 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,100 assembly is called President Aries in opposition to 116 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:35,300 government by Bishops, which is the Episcopal system or by 117 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:38,000 congregations, which is congregationalism, by the way, 118 00:06:38,100 --> 00:06:41,100 we'll see congregationalism and presbyterianism running together 119 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:45,300 a lot but in its strict sense. Presbyterianism is the name 120 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:47,700 given to one of the groups of ecclesiastical bodies that 121 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:51,200 represent the features of protestantism emphasized by 122 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,400 French lawyer, John Calvin, whose writings crystallized, 123 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,700 much of the reformed thinking that came before him. 124 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:58,600 So that's that's from their website. 125 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:02,800 And kind of gives them in a quick nutshell, but 126 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,300 presbyterianism in Presbyterian Church, government was was 127 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,400 solidified. I guess you could say in 128 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,700 Scotland by the acts of Union in 1707. 129 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:16,400 And again this is something that we could really get into the 130 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,300 Weeds about you'll just have to trust me on this and and you can 131 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:22,500 go back up and look acts of Union if you want to. 132 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:25,000 But it actually created the Kingdom of Great, Britain 133 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:28,900 created the kingdom of Scotland, as well at the same time, but in 134 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:31,900 Fact, most Presbyterians found in England. 135 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:34,900 Can trace a Scottish Connection in the Presbyterian. 136 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:39,000 Denomination was was also taken to North America, mostly by 137 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,500 Scots and scots-irish. They were the ones who spread 138 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:44,500 that in America and we'll talk about that a little bit more 139 00:07:44,500 --> 00:07:47,500 next week, but Presbyterians in the United States. 140 00:07:47,500 --> 00:07:50,400 Also came from New England, Yankee communities, that had 141 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,600 originally been congregationalists but change 142 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:57,100 because they had an agreed upon was called the plan of Union of 143 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:00,000 1801. And they They did that the 144 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,300 congregationalists in the Presbyterians came together for 145 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:07,000 the sake of reaching the frontier areas with the gospel. 146 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,000 And, you know, obviously the American frontier was just wide 147 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,700 open then, and they were very much on the cusp on the, on the 148 00:08:13,707 --> 00:08:17,500 cusp Leading Edge of getting out into those Frontiers with the 149 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:19,900 gospel. So, Presbyterian, denomination 150 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:23,200 in Scotland, all those denominations that are there in 151 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,700 Scotland that are Presbyterian, hold to the reformed theology of 152 00:08:25,700 --> 00:08:29,000 John Calvin and his immediate successors, but there's a range 153 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:33,400 Of theological views within each one of those denominations. 154 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,200 And there's, there's there's a good number of them that 155 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,200 actually are relatively decent in size and they disagree with 156 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,700 each other, on a. On a lot of issues there, still 157 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:46,000 Presbyterian mainly because of their form of government. 158 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,500 But local Congregation of churches that use Presbyterian 159 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:51,500 polity, which we're going to talk about again next week, but 160 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,200 they're governed by sessions that are made up of 161 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,800 congregations which they call, you know, their elders and then 162 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,100 it's a Earlier approach, which consider your means that it's 163 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:06,200 they adhered to councils whatever the council decides. 164 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,900 That's what they go with as a whole and then they have 165 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:13,600 government by Synod and by general counsel general assembly 166 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:18,300 and and that's that's where all the levels of decision making 167 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:22,200 are that decide what the Presbyterian Doctrine is going 168 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,300 to be and that's what runs the whole thing. 169 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:27,600 So, according to Wikipedia, there's there's roughly 75 170 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,900 million Presbyterians in the world. 171 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,300 That's a lot. Obviously, there's eight million 172 00:09:31,300 --> 00:09:35,400 people is in the world, but 75 million is a lot of, a lot of 173 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,200 people in the United States. And this is according to the the 174 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,100 Presbyterian Church USA website. They're the largest denomination 175 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:46,600 within the Presbyterian Church kind of by far. 176 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:51,300 But according to them, they had as of 2021 1.1 million people in 177 00:09:51,300 --> 00:09:56,800 their in their denomination. So they had 8,000 congregations 178 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,300 on top of that. So, You know, give or take, 179 00:10:00,300 --> 00:10:02,900 there's probably five or six million Presbyterians in the 180 00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:05,700 United States. 75 million in the world. 181 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:08,900 So you can you know obviously it came here from Europe and other 182 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:14,400 places but it's remained big in other parts of the world. 183 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,700 Well the twentieth century and this again is where a lot of 184 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:20,600 them got off. Some Presbyterians played a very 185 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,400 important role in The ecumenical movement, including the World 186 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,400 Council of churches, which is something that we mentioned. 187 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,000 I think I mentioned this when we were talking about Out 188 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,400 Lutheranism the World Council of churches is something that you 189 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,900 that we will never touch with 100-foot pole that is trying to 190 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:40,700 bring all of the denomination's together and Roman Catholic 191 00:10:40,700 --> 00:10:42,400 Lutheran, Methodist Presbyterian. 192 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,600 Let's all come together for the sake of the Gospel. 193 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:50,200 Well, I'm sorry but most of them are not preaching the gospel and 194 00:10:50,208 --> 00:10:53,000 we don't need a World Council of churches to try to do anything. 195 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,900 But but there was a lot of Presbyterians who were helpful 196 00:10:55,900 --> 00:10:58,500 in getting them involved in that ecumenical movement. 197 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,900 Ain't it a lot of Presbyterian denominations have found ways of 198 00:11:01,900 --> 00:11:04,300 working together with other reformed denominations and 199 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:07,800 Christians of other Traditions quote-unquote, especially in the 200 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,400 world, communion of reformed churches. 201 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,100 And again, not something that we want to have anything to do 202 00:11:13,100 --> 00:11:14,500 with. But some Presbyterian, churches 203 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:16,400 have entered into Union with all the churches, like, 204 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,100 congregationalists and Lutheran's and anglicans and 205 00:11:19,100 --> 00:11:21,000 methodists. And we've talked about a lot of 206 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,700 those things. There is nothing that we have in 207 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:27,400 common with them, other than that we, you know, have this the 208 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,800 quote on quote same Jesus, right? 209 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:32,900 I mean, a lot of them are going about all of this stuff in the 210 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:36,300 wrong way, as far as trying to get to heaven, and they've got 211 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:37,900 their own ideas about how to get to heaven. 212 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:40,700 It's not by Jesus Christ Alone, even though many of them would 213 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,500 say that, that's what it is. And I think for the most part 214 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:48,600 likelike, A lot of the Presbyterian Church where much 215 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,800 of the Presbyterian Church like a lot of the other Mainline 216 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,600 denominations has moved away from its Foundings in its 217 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,400 doctrines, it's practice and it's and I don't I mean from The 218 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Sixteen Seventeen eighteen hundreds, I don't think it's 219 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,500 anything like it today. Like it was back then and a lot 220 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:07,700 of the names that we know in Christianity. 221 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,300 A lot of the really well-known preachers of the past were 222 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:15,200 Presbyterians, I say a lot but there's a good number of them 223 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,500 that if I started listing some of these names you'd say wow I 224 00:12:17,508 --> 00:12:20,900 didn't know that guy was Presbyterian again because they 225 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:24,100 were preaching the gospel and they Standing for the truth of 226 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:28,400 the word of God, often a few doctrines but standing for the 227 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,400 truth of the word of God. So let's get into it. 228 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,400 We're going to look at their history and then we'll look at 229 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,300 some of their doctrines. Like I said, we'll take a few 230 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:36,400 weeks by the way. Here's what I'm going to do. 231 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:41,800 We did this maybe three or four years ago, but we've talked 232 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,500 about all these other different denominations and all of these 233 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:48,800 other Cults and everything else. And what I want to do when we 234 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,200 finish up with this, in a few weeks is to go back to What it 235 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,500 means to be a Baptist and and go through a lot of those things 236 00:12:57,500 --> 00:12:59,500 and then talk about some of the differences, even amongst the 237 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:01,600 Baptist was talking to Kevin. Where's that, what's the 238 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,300 difference between independent Baptists in southern baptist? 239 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:06,600 There is differences, otherwise, we'd be Southern Baptists, 240 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,600 right? So what sets us apart, what what 241 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,200 sets Baptists, apart from all of these other denominations. 242 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,800 And then what sets, the individual Baptist apart, there 243 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,500 is, there's a lot of different denominations of Baptist. 244 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:22,300 Probably a lot of them that you've never even heard of. 245 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:25,800 You know obviously Reformed Baptist is one of the ones that 246 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,400 I mentioned that is getting very big but you have American 247 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,600 Baptist, you have Southern Baptist, you have Primitive 248 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,700 Baptist. You have, you have to two seed 249 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:38,500 in the spirit baptism. We have all kinds of stuff that 250 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:42,000 are that actually are part of the Baptist Church, right? 251 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:44,300 What's the difference? And we don't have time to go 252 00:13:44,300 --> 00:13:45,700 through all of them. But I'm going to, I'm going to 253 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:49,000 try to take a few of those and go through them but again to get 254 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,900 back to the history of the Presbyterian Church, The roots 255 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:55,300 of Presbyterian. Presbyterianism are found in the 256 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:58,500 Reformation in the 16th century, which the example of John, 257 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:01,200 Calvin's Republic of Geneva. Again, another thing that you 258 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,400 could really go back and look into, it's pretty interesting, 259 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:09,300 but that was very influential. And here's another thing, you 260 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:11,700 know, a lot of these denominations that came out 261 00:14:11,700 --> 00:14:14,700 during that time that I guess that you could say, came out of 262 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:18,700 breath out of the Reformation, which again is protestantism 263 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:21,800 because they were protesting the Church. 264 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,900 Right? And a lot of these guys came out 265 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:27,600 of the Catholic church and so they still had a lot of those 266 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,300 Traditions that they were holding onto. 267 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,000 That's why they're Protestant. Baptists are not Protestant. 268 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,600 We're not part of the Protestant movement. 269 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:37,300 We were never part of the Catholic Church to be able to 270 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:40,800 protest anything against it. They were always Protestants if 271 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,900 you want to call it that, right? Because we've always protested, 272 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:47,000 the Catholic Church. The term Baptist didn't come 273 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,900 around until the 1600s by the way. 274 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:55,900 But well, Talk about that later as we get into it, but a lot of 275 00:14:55,900 --> 00:15:00,800 these guys Presbyterians and so on ended up doing their best to 276 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:06,200 make that denomination part of the state religion, if you will, 277 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:09,400 and Geneva was one of those, the Republic of Geneva. 278 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,700 I've got a lot of quotes that I'm going to read to you, 279 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,100 that'll hopefully. Make it go a little bit faster 280 00:15:16,100 --> 00:15:20,000 but this comes from the handbook of denominations and it says 281 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,900 this originating between 1534 and 1560 with the Protestant 282 00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:27,300 theological program of John Calvin and France and 283 00:15:27,300 --> 00:15:30,700 Switzerland Presbyterian. Refers to a church governed by 284 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:33,300 presbyters which is Representatives this 285 00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:35,200 denomination. Places great emphasis on the 286 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,000 Theology of God's sovereignty over the world. 287 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,600 In people's lives, K was French and trained in the law turning 288 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,300 to theology. His Keen legalistic mind and 289 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:45,800 Lust For Freedom from the rigid confining forms of Roman 290 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,300 Catholicism. Drove him as a fugitive to 291 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:53,000 Geneva, where he quickly grasped the reins of leadership in the 292 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,300 reformed sector Resolute and often harsh, with his opponents, 293 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,300 he established his theological system in the Swiss Capital, 294 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:03,100 making it according to McCauley the cleanest and most wholesome 295 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,500 city in Europe. K whole thought revolved around 296 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:08,000 the concept of sovereignty sovereignty of God and his 297 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,300 Universe, the sovereignty of Christ and salvation, the 298 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:12,800 sovereignty of the scriptures and faith in conduct the 299 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,700 sovereignty of the individual. Is in the interpretation of the 300 00:16:15,700 --> 00:16:18,900 will and word of God. Again this this one also comes 301 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,200 from the handbook of denominations, but strictly 302 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,100 speaking John Calvin did not find presbyterianism. 303 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,400 He merely laid the foundation upon which it was constructed in 304 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,100 Switzerland, Holland, France, England, Scotland, and Ireland 305 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,100 from France came to huguenots. And by 1560 there were in that 306 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:36,100 country to thousand churches of Presbyterian. 307 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:38,900 Complexion people of Holland, establish a Dutch, Reformed 308 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:41,200 Church British Presbyterians gained courage and their 309 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,300 struggle against Bloody Mary Tudor and from Scotland came the 310 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,600 Vernon tears and John Knox. So she a lot of things that came 311 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,500 out of that, but most of them were all part of this reformed 312 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:54,800 theology. And we'll talk about what that 313 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,900 is in just a little bit and hopefully all understand it. 314 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:59,000 But let's talk. Let's go, let's go way back and 315 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,500 look at the early history of that Presbyterian tradition. 316 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:07,000 Particularly Let the Church of Scotland traces, its roots to 317 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000 the early. Christian Church founded by st. 318 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,900 Columba through the 6th Century. Hi Bruno, Scottish Mission. 319 00:17:13,099 --> 00:17:16,400 So we're going all the way back. The 500s that they actually can 320 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,599 kind of Trace their history back to but tracing their Apostolic 321 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:23,900 origin all the way to st. John the col deze practice 322 00:17:23,900 --> 00:17:30,200 Christian monasticism which is a key of of key feature of Celtic 323 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,700 Christianity. In that region, where the 324 00:17:32,700 --> 00:17:36,200 presbyter quote, exercising Authority within the 325 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,300 institution. While the different monastic 326 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:40,200 institutions were independent of one another. 327 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:44,500 So a church in Scotland, the church in Scotland, kept the The 328 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:48,800 Easter tradition, right? The the celebration of Easter on 329 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,300 a different day than the Roman Calendar did, which is, you 330 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:53,800 know, what we follow for the most part. 331 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,100 But, and then which is kind of interesting as well. 332 00:17:57,100 --> 00:18:00,200 The way that they distinguish themselves was that they're 333 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,500 monks, you know, the traditional picture of a monk, right? 334 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:06,300 With the hair, that's all the way around their head in the 335 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:08,500 big, you know, the big bald part in the middle. 336 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:11,900 That's I mean, it's not that all the monks were bald, they shave 337 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:15,400 their head that way and so to Themselves from these other 338 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,800 different denominations, the monks would shave their heads in 339 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,500 different ways. So that you could tell the 340 00:18:19,508 --> 00:18:22,100 difference between what, you know, which Monastery they were 341 00:18:22,100 --> 00:18:24,700 a part of and everything else, which I thought was funny, they 342 00:18:24,700 --> 00:18:28,500 call that tonsure, but it's just the unique style of tonsure. 343 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:31,100 They would shave their hair or clip, their hair in different 344 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:32,700 ways. So, you know, they have that 345 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:35,700 little ring around the outside of their head, but the Shaving 346 00:18:35,700 --> 00:18:38,800 was different and the size was different, everything else. 347 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:44,200 But anyway, the Synod of Whitby In 1664 ended that distinction. 348 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:47,500 Ian and said, quote, that Easter would be celebrated according to 349 00:18:47,500 --> 00:18:49,100 the Roman date, not the Celtic date. 350 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:53,300 So although the Roman influence came to dominate the church in 351 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:56,600 Scotland, certain Celtic influence has remained in that 352 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,600 Scottish Church. Which remember we said that a 353 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,500 lot of the Presbyterian came from Scottish and scots-irish 354 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:06,800 descent, right? So the influence of this Celtic 355 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,200 Church in Scotland continued on and so the singing of metrical 356 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,800 hymns, many of them set to the old Celtic Christianity, 357 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,600 Scottish Shhhh traditional and folk tunes later became a 358 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,900 distinctive part of the Scottish Presbyterian worship. 359 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:24,500 Well according officially to them Presbyterians, Trace their 360 00:19:24,500 --> 00:19:27,200 history to the 16th century and the Protestant Reformation. 361 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,600 So all of those things that happened in the five six. 362 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,500 Seven hundreds were important to them but a lot of that was lost 363 00:19:34,500 --> 00:19:38,400 as it went through and of course the 500s to the 1500s. 364 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,300 Most of the world was mired in Catholicism and a lot of that 365 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:46,900 stuff, got lost until the Reformation happened and those 366 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:50,300 things started to be reborn. The beginning of presbyterianism 367 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:53,300 as a Stink movement occurred really during the late 16th 368 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:57,200 century Protestant reformation. And so, as the Catholic Church 369 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,900 started to resist the reformers, which remember you had the 370 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,400 Spanish Inquisition, you had all those things where they were 371 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,800 just they were torturing and killing anybody. 372 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:09,700 That dissented to the Catholic church in an effort to wipe out 373 00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:12,400 this Reformation. But the more they tried to wipe 374 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,700 it out the stronger it grew in the more people started opening 375 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:18,600 their eyes and saying hang on. They're so desperate to keep 376 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,900 this power why you know, and so several different theological 377 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:26,300 movement splintered from the church in different 378 00:20:26,300 --> 00:20:28,900 denominations were born throughout that time which again 379 00:20:28,900 --> 00:20:32,000 we've talked about the Methodist and the Lutheran's and the 380 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,300 Presbyterians in some of these other denominations all got 381 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:39,600 their birth around that time presbyterianism was especially 382 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,200 influenced by John Calvin the French Theologian, and he's 383 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,800 credited with the development of reformed theology which again 384 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:50,300 when talking about but you have a picture of him their brother 385 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:53,900 Josh I put that before that are we going John Calvin they all 386 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:56,300 look the same. They all had those those 387 00:20:56,300 --> 00:20:58,500 funny-looking hats and long beards, right? 388 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,200 We'll see a picture of John Knox in a seconds. 389 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,000 I'm going to mention him. In fact, you can go ahead and 390 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,700 put that picture up there brother Josh, but John Knox was 391 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:10,400 a Scottish Catholic priest who studied with Calvin in Geneva 392 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,300 and he brought back reform teachings to Scotland. 393 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,300 So again, he looks the same that's a wood carving of him. 394 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:19,900 They obviously didn't have pictures back then but I mean if 395 00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:22,400 you were to see those Two pictures you probably wouldn't 396 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,100 really be able to tell the difference between John Knox and 397 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:26,200 John Calvin. They look very similar but they 398 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,500 work together and then John Knox ended up, bringing that Doctrine 399 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:33,400 back to Scotland which again is going to come up big here in 400 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,600 just a minute but the Presbyterian Church traces its 401 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,300 ancestry back primarily to Scotland well in August of 1560. 402 00:21:41,500 --> 00:21:43,000 All right. You have to follow follow 403 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,100 closely with this. If you can the parliament of 404 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:51,300 Scotland adopted What's called the Scots confession as the Read 405 00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:55,000 of the Scottish Kingdom. Again, you have to remember that 406 00:21:55,100 --> 00:22:00,500 a lot of these nations were very much used to Catholicism as 407 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:04,200 their form of not just religion, but their form of government. 408 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:09,100 So many of these nations when they, when they threw off, 409 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:12,900 Catholicism didn't know what to do other than to, and I'm not 410 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:16,200 giving them a pass, but this is what they knew instead of, you 411 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:21,500 know, well, we're not Catholics anymore, were were So we're 412 00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:24,700 going to adopt that as our national religion and that's 413 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:27,800 what a lot of them did. And, and again, if you didn't 414 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,800 accept presbyterianism, you were tortured, you were, you know, 415 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:34,900 you were imprisoned, you were whatever until you accepted it. 416 00:22:35,700 --> 00:22:39,200 Presbyterianism wasn't as bad maybe as Lutheranism and some of 417 00:22:39,208 --> 00:22:41,400 these others, but, but it was still the same way. 418 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:44,600 That's why they say, John Calvin was not a very nice guy to his 419 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,900 opponents. People who opposed John Calvin's 420 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:52,300 theology, many of them were not. Just, you know, he didn't just, 421 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:54,400 you wouldn't just mean to him, they killed him. 422 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:58,600 And so you know, that still has that same mindset that if you 423 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,700 don't agree with me, then you deserve to die until you say 424 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:07,800 that you agree with me, it's not Christianity but again in this 425 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,000 parliament of Scotland, adopted the Scots confession in 426 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,200 December. So just later on that year of 427 00:23:13,208 --> 00:23:16,600 1560, the first book of discipline as it was called was 428 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,600 published outlining important doctrinal issues, but also 429 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,000 establishing regulations. Church government including the 430 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,800 creation of these 10 ecclesiastical districts with a 431 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,400 pointed superintendents, that later became known as 432 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 presbyteries and that's where presbyterianism really started 433 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,400 to get its birth. But it came out of this form of 434 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,200 government in Scotland. And in time, the Scots 435 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,300 confession would be replaced by the Westminster Confession of 436 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:43,300 faith and the larger and Shorter. 437 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:45,500 Catechism is those were formulated by the Westminster 438 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:50,500 assembly between 1643 and 1649 but again that's where this 439 00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:52,700 idea. Dia of the Presbyterian form of 440 00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:55,700 government started, to formulate, the doctrine of the 441 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:58,400 Presbyterian. Church is traced to the 442 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,300 Westminster assembly. That was held in England from 443 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:07,100 1643 issue, 16, 48 49 and this assembly of ministers, was 444 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:09,000 called by the English Parliament, to establish a 445 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,400 government in the Church of England that would do away with 446 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,400 Bishops. And again, they were trying to 447 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,500 throw off the Catholic. This church and throw off the 448 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:19,700 Catholic doctrines and all of those other things and there was 449 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,700 tremendous Us at the time, was the king, who was Charles the 450 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:26,700 first? He was the successor to James. 451 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Who was the King James King, James of the King James version 452 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,800 Fame, if you will. But one of the Chief Products of 453 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,200 this assembly, was the Westminster Confession of Faith, 454 00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:41,200 which I'm going to read, fairly extensively from here in a 455 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,400 little bit, to show you exactly where they stand on a lot of 456 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,900 those things, but, that Westminster Confession of Faith, 457 00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,800 really was the embodiment of everything. 458 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:56,200 Thing that John Calvin and his successors were teaching and 459 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,900 they express the doctrinal platform of Presbyterians in 460 00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:01,000 England, Scotland in America. That's what this Westminster 461 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,600 Confession of Faith was so this assembly also produced shorter 462 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,600 and longer catechisms which together became the Westminster 463 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,100 Confession and they're called the Westminster standard. 464 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,800 And again this is the type of church government where the 465 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:21,300 Westminster Confession of faith is what runs The denomination. 466 00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,700 This is what we go by to determine what we should and 467 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:28,000 should not do what we do and do not believe what we agree and do 468 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,700 not agree with. And so on that's the type of 469 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:32,400 church government that we're talking about but this 470 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,300 Westminster Confession of Faith stood for a long time and 471 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:39,100 according to their website again that details their history, it 472 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:41,900 says this most important standards of Orthodox. 473 00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:44,600 Presbyterianism are the Westminster Confession of faith 474 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:49,200 and catechisms of 1647 the chief distinctive features set forth 475 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,500 in the Westminster. Declarations of belief are 476 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:54,400 Presbyterian Church government calvinistic Theology. 477 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,900 And the absence of prescribed forms of worship. 478 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,900 That's that's it in a nutshell but there's a lot in that 479 00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:05,000 Westminster Confession of faith and the Westminster Confession 480 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,000 of faith has statements in it that that a bible-believing 481 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,700 Christian cannot agree with and has to oppose and has to reject. 482 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:19,200 But the Westminster Confession of Faith exalts Jesus Christ as 483 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,600 the Saviour ER, in in a particularly precise in a very 484 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,800 well worded manner, if you will, but other denominations have 485 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,600 have based their confessions off of this Westminster Confession 486 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:39,500 of Faith because of how precise and how well-worded if you will 487 00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:41,800 that it was. But let me let me give you some 488 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,800 excerpts from this. Just to give you an idea of what 489 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,800 this Westminster Confession of faith is about and just, just 490 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:57,700 think about how much Like us this is all right. 491 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,500 Under the name of Holy Scripture or the word of God, written are 492 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,200 now contained all the books of the Old and New Testament, which 493 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,300 are these listed all 66, books of the English Bible all which 494 00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,900 are given by inspiration of God, to be the rule of faith in life, 495 00:27:11,300 --> 00:27:14,600 but a great statement, the Bible is the rule. 496 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,900 Here's another one, the authority of the Holy scripture 497 00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:19,000 for which it ought to be believed and obeyed. 498 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,900 Dependence not upon the testimony of any man or church 499 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,600 but wholly upon God, who is truth itself. 500 00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:28,200 The author thereof and therefore it is to be received because it 501 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,500 is the word of God. There's another we may be moved 502 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,400 and induced by the testimony of the church to an high and 503 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,100 Reverend esteem of the Holy Scripture and the heaven heaven, 504 00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,400 leanest of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine, the 505 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,000 Majesty of the style, the consent of all the parts, the 506 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,000 scope of the whole which is to give all glory to God, the full 507 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,400 Discovery, it makes of the only way of man's salvation. 508 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:55,600 The many other incomparable excellencies in the Perfection 509 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,200 there of our arguments whereby. It doth abundantly evidence 510 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,400 itself. To be the word of God yet, 511 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,700 notwithstanding our full persuasion and Assurance of the 512 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:07,000 infallible, truth and divine Authority. 513 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,900 There of is, from the inward work of the Holy Spirit bearing 514 00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:13,300 Witness by in, with the word in our hearts, great statement 515 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:16,000 about the Bible, here's another one, the whole counsel of God, 516 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,000 concerning all things necessary for his own Glory man, 517 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,200 salvation, faith and life is either expressly set down in 518 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,700 scripture or by good and necessary consequence. 519 00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:28,700 May Be deduced from scripture on to its nothing at any time is to 520 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,100 be added whether by new revelation of the spirit or 521 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,300 traditions of men. Now, that is in direct 522 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:36,700 opposition to a lot of the other doctrines that were, that were 523 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,600 popping up during that time, especially the Catholic church. 524 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600 And then, of course, A lot of these other Cults that came 525 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,700 along after that, the Old Testament in Hebrew, which was 526 00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:50,000 the native language of the people of God, of old, and the 527 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,300 New Testament in Greek, which at the time of the writing of it 528 00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:54,900 was, most generally known to the nation's being a me. 529 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,100 Inspired by God and by his singular care and Providence, 530 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,500 kept pure in all ages are there for authentical. 531 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:05,100 So as in all controversies of religion, the church is finally 532 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:07,400 to appeal unto them. But because these original 533 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,100 tongues are not known to all the people of God, who have right 534 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,200 onto the interest in the scripture and are commanded in 535 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,700 the fear of God to read and search them. 536 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:16,000 Therefore, they are to be translated into the vulgar 537 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,100 language of every nation unto which they come. 538 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:20,700 Now, the word of God dwelling plentifully and all they may 539 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:23,900 worship Him in an acceptable Manner and through patience and 540 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:27,300 comfort of the scriptures. I have hope again, the Supreme 541 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,800 judge by which all controversies have religion are to be 542 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,000 determined and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient 543 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,100 writers, doctrines of men and private Spirits are to be 544 00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:37,400 examined. And in whose sentence, we are to 545 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,100 rest. Can be no other but the Holy 546 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,000 Spirit speaking in the scriptures, here's what they say 547 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:46,600 about God, there is but one only living and true God who is 548 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,200 infinite and being in Perfection. 549 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,800 A most pure Spirit invisible without body parts or passion, 550 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,800 immutable immense Eternal incomprehensible. 551 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,600 All Mighty most wise Most, Holy most free, most, absolute 552 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,800 working, all things, according to the counsel of his own 553 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,200 immutable, and most righteous will for his own Glory, most 554 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,800 loving gracious, merciful long-suffering, abundant in 555 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,000 goodness, and Truth forgiving iniquity transgression and sin. 556 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,400 The rewarder of them that diligently seek Him and with 557 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000 almost just and terrible in his judgments hating all sin and who 558 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,000 will by no means, clear the guilty but a great statement 559 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,500 about God, right? Here's a statement about the 560 00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:24,800 trinity in the unity of the godhead there be three persons 561 00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:26,900 Is of one substance power in eternity. 562 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,200 God the Father God, the son and God the Holy Ghost. 563 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Father, it is of none. Neither begotten or proceeding 564 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,900 the sun is eternally begotten of the father. 565 00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,000 And the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the father and 566 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,400 the son. Great statements and again a lot 567 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,000 of that Westminster Confession is written that way and very 568 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,900 much lines up with with our Doctrine and what we believe. 569 00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:51,100 But I want to point out also that the Westminster Confession 570 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:55,100 had a lot of statements that purposefully rejected, the 571 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:58,100 doctrine of the Catholic church and made it made it a point to 572 00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:00,900 reject those things. It contains statements that 573 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:06,800 denied the inspiration of the Apocrypha explicitly, cut it out 574 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,300 of the bye. Because it's not a part of the 575 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:12,300 Bible and and to take it a step further. 576 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:15,200 And I remember, okay, the Catholic church had a 577 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,100 Stranglehold on everything for over a thousand years until the 578 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:23,100 mid 1500s. This is only the mid-1600s at 579 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:25,700 the latest, and this is what they said. 580 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,800 There is no other head of the church, but the Lord Jesus 581 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,100 Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome in any 582 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:33,600 sense, be had thereof. But is that Antichrist? 583 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,100 That man of Sin and Son of Perdition that exalteth himself. 584 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200 Elf in the church against Christ and all that is called God, they 585 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,500 called the Pope the Antichrist. And I mean that's a bold 586 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:46,400 statement especially during that time. 587 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,700 So the Westminster Confession of Faith was a very bold courageous 588 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,000 stand for the word of God and everything that the word of God 589 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,700 espouse is when it comes to Doctrine. 590 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,100 During that period in England's history in which the Westminster 591 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:04,900 Confession was being defined. There was a Civil War was waged 592 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:09,700 against the British crown, Oliver Cromwell. 593 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,000 That's probably a name that you recognize at least, but he was a 594 00:32:12,008 --> 00:32:15,000 Cavalry commander that led the opposition Force to the ousted, 595 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,200 the king attempted to establish a commonwealth. 596 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,600 In England in the late mid to late 1600s but those efforts 597 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,700 failed. The monarchy was eventually 598 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:27,000 re-established which you know that to be true because by the 599 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:32,300 1700s and by the late 1700s, even that's what America was 600 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:34,300 fighting against and trying to gain her freedom. 601 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,900 From was a king that was telling them what they had to do, right? 602 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:41,400 But tens of thousands of Presbyterians and Puritans. 603 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,600 Now think about when this is 1600s right? 604 00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:49,300 The mid-1600s. What do you know happened in 605 00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:53,800 1620? Plymouth Plantation, the 606 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,100 pilgrims came over. I saw a lot of that stuff was 607 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,400 happening and and I'm trying to try to put this together in your 608 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,200 mind to try to help make help it all make sense, right? 609 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,500 But you had the Presbyterians the Puritans independent 610 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:11,400 Independence that fled to America in search of political 611 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,200 Liberty, but also in search of religious liberty because they 612 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,800 were not allowed to practice these things. 613 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,400 The Westminster Confession of faith. 614 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,000 And so on that they were espousing because the church 615 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,200 England was not Presbyterian, right? 616 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,900 It was an Anglican and that was the official religion, and you 617 00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:32,500 were not allowed to be anything, but that they weren't Catholic, 618 00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:35,900 but you didn't have a choice. You were Anglican, and you paid 619 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:38,700 into the Anglican church and all of that stuff or you were 620 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:41,100 persecuted. So, we'll talk more about that 621 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:44,800 in a little bit, but since we're on the topic, let me address it. 622 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,200 Now, rather than bringing up later, one of the errors in this 623 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,900 is what we'll end with tonight. but one of the errors of the 624 00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,200 It's late. I need to stop. 625 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,000 I don't want to get into all of this and then take you till 8:30 626 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,100 tonight. And that's probably what, 627 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,200 probably, what it will do. So let me stop there for 628 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,000 tonight. All right, we'll get into this 629 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,600 later. Let me let me tell you what the 630 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,100 error is, and then we'll talk about it next week. 631 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:16,500 One of the errors of the Westminster Confession is that 632 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:21,699 it reflected John's K, John Calvin system of predestination 633 00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:26,400 theology, which is a lot of what reformed theology is about and 634 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:30,600 that Destination theology is known as Calvinism and has been 635 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,699 summarized in the Tulip Theory. All right, I'm gonna give it to 636 00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:36,199 you right here so you can see what it is. 637 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,500 We'll talk about it next week, but the Tulip Theory stands for 638 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,400 the total depravity of man, which means that man is 639 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,500 incapable of responding to the gospel on his own. 640 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,400 If God does not give you the ability to respond to the 641 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,199 gospel, then you cannot respond to the gospel. 642 00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:54,300 That's the total depravity of man unconditional election. 643 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,900 Mean, God means God chooses, who will be saved. 644 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,600 Saved, and who will be lost. And again, we're getting into 645 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,500 this without without being able to explain these things. 646 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:07,500 But limited atonement means that Christ died for only those who 647 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:09,300 will be saved. He didn't die for the whole 648 00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:12,200 world. He only died for those who 649 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,900 actually will be safe. That's what limited atonement 650 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,200 means. I hope these things are throwing 651 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,100 up red flags to you and that you're thinking of different 652 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:25,100 verses in the Bible that really fly right in the face of this 653 00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,300 Doctrine. Limited atonement. 654 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:29,600 Jesus Christ. Death was not for everybody. 655 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,800 It was only for those who actually will be saved. 656 00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:37,400 No, that doesn't, that doesn't go with John. 3:16 for God. 657 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,000 So loved the world that he gave his only begotten, son, that 658 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,100 whosoever Her believeth in him should not perish but have 659 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:45,100 everlasting life. That doesn't sound like a 660 00:35:45,100 --> 00:35:49,400 limited atonement to me. The eye is irresistible Grace 661 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,400 means that that a sinner cannot resist, God's call to Salvation. 662 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,200 If God is calling you to Salvation, you don't have a 663 00:35:56,207 --> 00:35:57,900 choice. You're going to accept it. 664 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:00,600 That's irresistible Grace. And the last one is perseverance 665 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,500 of the Saints means that those who are saved are going to hold 666 00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:04,600 out. Faithful to the end. 667 00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,300 That means if you're not faithful to the end, you never, 668 00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:11,100 you never got saved, essentially, you can lose your 669 00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:15,800 salvation because if you got saved and you were faithful and 670 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,300 you didn't stay faithful to Till the end and you die, and you 671 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:24,500 were in your sin so to speak. Then you either lost your 672 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:26,500 salvation or you never had in the first place. 673 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,600 And you never had in the first place because you didn't 674 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,900 persevere till the end. So, there's a lot of things 675 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,700 about the this, this that K Calvinism and this this 676 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,600 predestined Aryan theology, that's Reformation theology. 677 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,900 Reformed theology is what is known as today? 678 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:47,000 It's right in a lot of areas but the Westminster Confession 679 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,900 Chang's in those areas are contrary to the word of God, and 680 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:53,800 we're gonna have to wait till next week till we get into them. 681 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,700 I was planning to get to it tonight and hit the leave you 682 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,000 hanging on that, but I'll do it. What the Sunday School teachers 683 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,100 always do when they get to a point in the story where they're 684 00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:07,300 about to tell you what happened and then they say, come back 685 00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:09,700 next week and you'll find out what happened, right? 686 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,100 We'll look at some of these verses a lot of these verses 687 00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:13,400 next week when we get back together. 688 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,400 All right, let's pray. It will be done. 689 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,000 Father, we love you, give me. Thank you so much for your 690 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,300 goodness to us. Thank you for an opportunity. 691 00:37:20,300 --> 00:37:23,400 We have to study your word. I thank you for the fact that we 692 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,200 have your word and that we can rely on it for everything that 693 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,500 we need in faith in practice Doctrine and got operated. 694 00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:31,800 You don't put to stand on the truth of the word of God and not 695 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,200 on man-made doctrines or theology or any of these other 696 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,000 things. Thank you for all that you do 697 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,900 for us in Jesus name. Amen. 698 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:17,200 It will be done. Father, we love you, give me. 699 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,700 Thank you so much for your goodness to us. 700 00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,300 Thank you for an opportunity. We have to study your word. 701 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:24,500 I thank you for the fact that we have your word and that we can 702 00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:27,600 rely on it for everything that we need in faith in practice 703 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,400 Doctrine and got operated. You don't put to stand on the 704 00:37:30,408 --> 00:37:33,000 truth of the word of God and not on man-made doctrines or 705 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,600 theology or any of these other things. 706 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200 Thank you for all that you do for us in Jesus name. 707 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:37,900 Amen.