1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,400 I just a couple minutes, it's gonna be a little bit different 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,900 tonight. Obviously, we're talking about 3 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:08,600 the Neo Independent Baptist Movement. 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,400 We spent a lot of time talking about what we what it means to 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,000 be a Baptist. Then we moved into specifically 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,100 what it means to be an independent Baptist. 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,300 And now last week we kind of started into this this idea of 8 00:00:21,300 --> 00:00:25,900 the Neo Independent Baptist movement and really just a lot 9 00:00:25,900 --> 00:00:28,100 of a lot of churches, if you will. 10 00:00:28,100 --> 00:00:31,300 But even even people pastors Those who want to change the 11 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:35,200 Independent Baptist movement from the inside we and looking 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,300 at what, it means to be an independent Baptist really 13 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:40,800 looked at at what it is from. Somebody outside looking in. 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,300 And what we're doing here is really taking a very hard 15 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:50,000 introspective look and there's a lot within the Independent 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,200 Baptist movement that want to change it into something that it 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,500 was never meant to be. And something that's very 18 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:58,500 dangerous thing. So I'm going to do a lot of 19 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:01,200 reading tonight and that's why I say it's A little bit different 20 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,800 mostly because I want to use the exact words of those who are 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,900 leading this Neo, Independent Baptist movement. 22 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:11,100 I'm going to give you what they Define as this new movement. 23 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:15,900 And that's what they're trying to do is start a new movement 24 00:01:16,900 --> 00:01:19,300 and and how they Define it. And then next week, we're going 25 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:21,500 to look at an answer to each one of these points. 26 00:01:21,500 --> 00:01:25,300 Its kind of I'm going off of one article in particular that was 27 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:28,200 written by Josh Tice. I mentioned his name last week 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,500 he is one. That is really He's not the only 29 00:01:30,500 --> 00:01:33,800 one by any stretch but he's one, that's kind of headed up this 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,300 idea of the Neo Independent Baptist movement and he wrote an 31 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:40,800 article that listed out all the things that define the Neo 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Independent Baptist movement. So I'm gonna I'm gonna base it 33 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,600 off of that article and give you a lot of what he said in that 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,700 article tonight. But then the next week, we're 35 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:52,600 going to look at each one of those individual points and talk 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,800 about talk about it from, from our perspective. 37 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,300 And from a perspective of there is no need to change. 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,700 Other than maybe some some different philosophy type things 39 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:06,300 or you know, practical type things maybe. 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,699 But as we get into this I think it's important for us to 41 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:15,300 understand a couple things in any serious theological 42 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:16,800 disagreement and make no mistake that. 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,300 That's exactly what this is. It's a theological disagreement. 44 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:22,500 We have to keep several things in mind. 45 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:25,200 The first one and the most important one is that we always 46 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,300 have to make the scripture the basis for anything that we Say, 47 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:33,000 or do or stand on, or anything else? 48 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:37,000 It's also helpful. I think to make sure that we 49 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,200 keep our emotions in check and to think an argue from an 50 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:46,300 intellectual standpoint rather than from the intellect to the 51 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:49,200 emotions to the will and it has to be in that order and 52 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,200 hopefully you'll understand that as we go through it. 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,500 But I think in addition to those two, I would also add that it's 54 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:58,200 necessary to make sure we can tell the difference between 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:04,200 friend and foe. For treating a man or a group as 56 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,600 the enemy. When in fact, they're not, and 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,800 vice versa has done a lot of harm to the cause of Christ over 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,600 the years. And I don't want to make that 59 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,100 mistake as we go through here, but Jude tells us to earnestly 60 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:17,700 contend for the faith, right? And that's something that we 61 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:20,600 stand on a lot earnestly contend for the faith and I think that's 62 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,100 absolutely, it's very, very important that we do that. 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,800 But as I understand the last two words of that phrase, the faith, 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,400 it implies. All the doctrines. 65 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:31,600 That are taught in the word of God that we're supposed to 66 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,600 believe. Now primarily, if you were to 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,600 kind of list some of those things out, well let me ask you 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:38,800 this. Let's let's have a little bit of 69 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,800 interaction tonight. What do you think some of the 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,600 primary doctrines of the faith would be? 71 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:46,700 Maybe you could call them fundamentals of the faith. 72 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,400 And again, there's those last two words, the faith. 73 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:51,900 What do you think? They would be give me a couple 74 00:03:51,900 --> 00:03:54,200 ideas of some things that you think would be the fundamentals 75 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,500 of the faith? Death, burial and resurrection 76 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:59,300 of Jesus Christ, fundamental of the faith. 77 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:00,900 What else? The Virgin? 78 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:03,500 Birth of Jesus Christ. If Jesus Christ was not born of 79 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:08,200 a virgin, then we have we don't have a savior, he was not 80 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,800 perfect. If he was not born of a virgin 81 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,600 because that means he came through the, the Earthly line of 82 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,900 Adam and wherefore. As by one man sin entered into 83 00:04:15,900 --> 00:04:19,500 the world and death by sin and so death passed upon all men for 84 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:20,399 that. All have sinned. 85 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:23,100 Jesus Christ could not have borne of been born of anything 86 00:04:23,100 --> 00:04:25,400 other than a virgin and still be sinless. 87 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,000 That's another One, what else? Second coming of Jesus Christ. 88 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:31,300 Yep. What's another one? 89 00:04:32,100 --> 00:04:36,000 Jackson Let the deity of Christ. Yeah. 90 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:39,400 What's another one? Yeah. 91 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,800 Death burial and Resurrection. Yep, very good. 92 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,100 Anything else? I already mentioned one of them 93 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:50,400 just a little bit ago. Jackson. 94 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,800 The inerrancy of the Bible, right? 95 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,400 So a lot of those you're hitting on a lot of different things. 96 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,200 The, the literal, Resurrection, the atoning death, the Virgin 97 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,600 birth, you know, the second coming salvation by grace, 98 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,500 through faith. Those are the doctrines that are 99 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:09,800 critically important to Eternity and between all of us, we hit 100 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,000 all of them. All right? 101 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,600 Tom Brennan, wrote a book. I think I mentioned it. 102 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:16,700 It's called schizophrenic and I think it's an excellent. 103 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:18,600 Excellent book. He's, he's an independent 104 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Baptist and has been since since he was born essentially because 105 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,100 Dad was an independent Baptist, pastor, obviously, he came to 106 00:05:25,100 --> 00:05:27,400 the conclusion. A lot of these conclusions on 107 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,100 his own and God called him into the ministry and he's been a 108 00:05:30,100 --> 00:05:32,400 pastor for quite some time himself. 109 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,000 But he wrote a book called schizophrenic. 110 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,700 That basically says, this is everything that's right, with 111 00:05:36,700 --> 00:05:38,000 the Independent Baptist movement. 112 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,400 This is everything that's wrong. We don't need to throw the baby 113 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,500 out with the bathwater. We need to change the things 114 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:45,500 that are wrong and Shore up the things that are right and 115 00:05:45,500 --> 00:05:47,900 there's a whole lot more things that are right then that are 116 00:05:47,900 --> 00:05:50,200 wrong but in that book schizophrenic he kind of 117 00:05:50,207 --> 00:05:54,300 mentioned some of these Fundamental doctrines. 118 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:57,700 And then he said this beyond that, as an independent Baptist, 119 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:00,100 I hold the other doctrines that I think the Bible clearly 120 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:02,000 teaches and that are also important. 121 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,900 But at the bare minimum, the man who holds these doctrines is my 122 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:07,700 brother in Christ. We share. 123 00:06:08,100 --> 00:06:11,100 We shall share Heaven someday. He is not my enemy, though. 124 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:14,100 I may differ with him on a veritable plethora of other 125 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:18,000 things is an Orthodox, Christian not in a denominational sense, 126 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,800 but in a doctrinal sense. So to put it plainly, Josh 127 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,600 Tyson, In these other guys and and really I'm not I'm not 128 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,600 really using any other names. He's the main one that is 129 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,300 leading this independent Baptists Neo Independent Baptist 130 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:34,600 movement so he's the de facto head if you will but Josh Titus 131 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,700 and the movement that he represents are not the enemy and 132 00:06:38,700 --> 00:06:40,300 I want to make sure that that's clear. 133 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:44,500 If Jesus tarries his coming, we're both going to die someday. 134 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,000 And we're both going to stand before Christ and we're both 135 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,500 looking for to hear God. Say Well done thou good and 136 00:06:49,500 --> 00:06:51,200 faithful servant. Right. 137 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,600 Are, you know, everything about our lives, that tail of Our 138 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,400 Lives, if you will, is not told yet. 139 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,700 But it's reasonable to expect that that he along with us. 140 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:07,500 Well, hear well done, thou good and faithful servant the my, you 141 00:07:07,508 --> 00:07:10,300 know, the pastor across town. Whoever that happens to be that 142 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:12,500 is that is morphing. His traditional Independent 143 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:15,200 Baptist Church into something other than what we've always 144 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,900 stood for something that he thinks is new or that he thinks 145 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:21,900 is better is going to walk the same golden streets that we do. 146 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000 Now he's going to eat from the same, you know, tree with 12 147 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,900 fruits that we do. He's going to you know, he's 148 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:29,000 going to kneel before the same Throne of God that we do. 149 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,500 So we have to understand that they're not the enemy. 150 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:33,800 They're not the ones that we're fighting against. 151 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,600 He they are not the enemy there, there are Brethren. 152 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,800 The devil is the enemy. There's nothing that he would 153 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:46,500 like to do more than completely separate Christians, amongst 154 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:50,800 each other, because the divided force is not going to stand now. 155 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:53,600 Not only are these men, not the enemy. 156 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,300 I think there are some things that, that, that are that there 157 00:07:56,300 --> 00:08:00,300 are two like about them. You start, especially you get to 158 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:02,600 know some of these guys and I know, so I don't know, Josh 159 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,900 theis personally have never met him, only things that I've read 160 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:09,200 that he's written and only things that I've read about 161 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,400 that. You know, some of these other 162 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,400 men that have participated in some of the things that he's 163 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,900 done, and I've read them. So I feel like I have a pretty 164 00:08:15,900 --> 00:08:18,200 good understanding of who he is, even though I have not met. 165 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,100 But I know a lot of guys who are just like him and who really 166 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:24,200 look up to him and really have that same kind of mindset and on 167 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,700 a personal level. Most of these guys are 168 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:28,800 relatable, they're not arrogant, you know, there. 169 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,100 And that's one of the things that kind of makes them 170 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,799 influential. They're nice guys, you know, and 171 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:42,000 and they really have a genuine heart for people and and I think 172 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,500 some of those kind of things are what makes them a little bit 173 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:46,300 disarming? You know, man, how can they be 174 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:48,500 that wrong? They're so nice, you know, and 175 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:50,000 they are a lot of them are that way. 176 00:08:50,300 --> 00:08:52,600 They're very friendly, they're Approachable that they're just 177 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,800 as willing to listen as they are to speak. 178 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,500 But I think like like a lot of younger men in the Independent 179 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:03,000 Baptist movement, they've seen the damage that's been reached 180 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,400 on families by men of the previous generation who were 181 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,700 married to the church and they were to their wife and let their 182 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:12,600 kids essentially grow up and live. 183 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,800 However, they wanted to didn't train their children. 184 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,700 And the sad thing is we this is not just 70s 80s, 90s thing. 185 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:20,600 This is something that you see that goes all the way back to 186 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,700 the 40s and the 50s. 50s. And I mean, you know, Billy 187 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:26,500 Sunday, Billy Sunday's, kids and Billy Sunday was really 188 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:28,100 well-known, really Sunday's kids. 189 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:30,100 I don't even know if they were saved. 190 00:09:30,900 --> 00:09:34,900 Others, who were very well-known evangelist and very well-known 191 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:38,000 pastors throughout the the, you know, the really the 20th 192 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,200 century had kids, who never grew up and lived for God because 193 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,300 they were more married to the ministry than they were to their 194 00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:46,600 wife and more concerned about what happened in the church, and 195 00:09:46,608 --> 00:09:49,300 they were about what happened with their family and forgot, 196 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:51,300 their primary Ministry is their family. 197 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:55,300 But Josh, tell you so I think, you know, leads in that I can't 198 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:58,900 find fault in the way that he handles himself with his family 199 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:01,000 and and, you know, I can't speak for how? 200 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Well, he's rearing his family, if you will. 201 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 But you know, seems like he and his wife get along. 202 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,600 Well, they have a loving relationship, and and that's not 203 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,300 something that you can fault them for looking at it. 204 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:15,400 On the ministry side, I think there's a commitment to really 205 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,200 to an accurate knowledge of history and and I think they're 206 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,300 trying to do their best with some of these things. 207 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,400 That they have. And I think at the end of the 208 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,500 day, I do think that they have a passion for Souls where they're, 209 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:28,900 where they're off and where they're wrong, is in the way 210 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:30,400 that they go about it. And that's what we're going to 211 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,000 talk about, a lot of these different things. 212 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,700 But so if they're not the enemy and they have things to like 213 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:36,700 about them, then why bring division where there ought to be 214 00:10:36,700 --> 00:10:38,600 Unity, right? There's a lot of people that 215 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,000 would ask that question. Well, if they're, they're so 216 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,500 nice. And if they have a passion for 217 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:45,700 souls and everything else, then why even bring this stuff up. 218 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:49,600 Why even why even caused a division where there should be a 219 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,100 Unity? And I think this is where we 220 00:10:52,108 --> 00:10:55,500 come to Galatians Chapter 2 and as soon as I mentioned this, 221 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:56,900 you're going to know where we're going with this. 222 00:10:56,900 --> 00:11:01,800 But Peter and Paul were brothers to write, they share the same 223 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,900 Heritage, the same Doctrine. The same Faith, they were 224 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:05,300 co-laborers, they were serving God. 225 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:09,100 Together with great ability with great sincerity with great 226 00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:11,200 devotion. But the Bible says, in Galatians 227 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,900 Chapter 2, and verse number 12, but when Peter was come to, 228 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:17,500 Antioch course, Paul speaking here, I withstood him to the 229 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:21,900 face because he was to be blamed For before that certain came 230 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:25,200 from James, he did eat with the Gentiles but when they were 231 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,700 come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them, which 232 00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:30,800 were of the circumcision and the other Jews dissembled likewise 233 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,700 with him insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their 234 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:36,200 dissimulation. Well, they Brothers. 235 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:38,800 Yes, where they enemies? Absolutely not. 236 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,800 They were working together for the cause of the gospel and Paul 237 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,500 had power. I think in a lot of ways, Peter 238 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:50,100 had power, Barnabas had power, but Paul felt it was necessary. 239 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,900 Not to just disagree with Peter, but to actually do that 240 00:11:53,900 --> 00:11:56,100 forcefully. He withstood him to the face. 241 00:11:56,100 --> 00:11:59,500 The Bible says, and publicly essentially what he's saying is, 242 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:02,900 I said this to Peter before everybody because he needed to 243 00:12:02,908 --> 00:12:06,500 be rebuked publicly because of what he was doing, why was that? 244 00:12:06,500 --> 00:12:09,900 Because there was a lot of other Jews that dissembled likewise 245 00:12:09,900 --> 00:12:12,700 with him. Even Barnabas was taken away in 246 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,800 what Peter had done. And basically, if you didn't 247 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,700 catch what, what Paul was saying is, you know, Pete I had no 248 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:20,700 problem heat within the eating with the Gentiles, the way that 249 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:23,200 he was you know, that he should because Jesus Christ came to 250 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,300 save the Gentiles. Well, when James came all the 251 00:12:25,308 --> 00:12:27,300 sudden Peter didn't want anything to do with the Gentiles 252 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:29,800 anymore. He would only eat with the Jews, 253 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,200 right? And Paul was saying you're dead 254 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,200 wrong in that. That was that a doctrinal issue. 255 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,600 No, not necessarily, it's not a doctrinal issue at all, but the 256 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,500 problem doesn't just lie in the disagreements that I may, or may 257 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:45,900 not have with somebody that's in another church or another 258 00:12:45,900 --> 00:12:49,500 Pastor, or what another brother in Christ does in his church, 259 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:52,600 it's the influence that spreading out from those 260 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,400 churches and amongst those men, and who they are influencing. 261 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:59,800 And it's the Next Generation, especially, but it's even those 262 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,700 in their same generation that they're influencing, as well as 263 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:06,000 so, it's eventually going to take over. 264 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,200 So the movement that Josh Titus is forming around himself and 265 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,600 other like-minded men really holds the potential to carry a 266 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,700 tremendous really carry away a tremendous number of solid men 267 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:21,100 and strong churches. And I think I should add that 268 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:24,000 probably not even the just a potential that it's actually 269 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,500 happening. They are carrying these men away 270 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,200 and we're seeing it happen. Amongst men that have been in 271 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,800 the ministry for even even 4 years, 20. 30 years changing 272 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,100 Bible versions and changing the way that they're doing. 273 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,600 Everything in their churches to the point where they really 274 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,300 don't even look like a Baptist Church anymore, let alone an 275 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:44,900 independent Baptist Church. But in just a short time, we've 276 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:47,800 really witnessed a very radical changes and it's not just about 277 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,800 where the Neo Independent Baptist movement is at its, 278 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,500 where is this Neo, Independent Baptist movement going? 279 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:56,300 And who are they taking with them? 280 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,700 Where is it heading the number of God's people that are that 281 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:02,000 are going along with it. And that's why this is not some 282 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,300 little disagreement that we can, you know, sit down and discuss 283 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:07,700 in private between. In two people, this is something 284 00:14:07,700 --> 00:14:11,900 that has very, very big implications and the longer this 285 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:14,600 movement goes on. The more we are seeing the 286 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,300 impact that this movement is having, because what happens is, 287 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,400 You have these churches, let's just take a charge. 288 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,600 For example let's say this church has 300 people in it and 289 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,100 we're seeing this happen all over the place. 290 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:28,900 I can think of right now. Five churches off the top of my 291 00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:32,800 head that are in this situation right now, have 300 people in 292 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,200 the church, the pastor starts to really jump in. 293 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,300 On these ideas of, you know, what we need to be more, we need 294 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:44,800 to be less biblical truth and more, you know, pragmatic the 295 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,500 ends justifies, the means so some things that we May really, 296 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,500 you know, it's a gray area on whether we should do it or not. 297 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,500 Well, if it's going to get people in, then we'll do it. 298 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:56,900 So they start changing everything. 299 00:14:57,100 --> 00:15:00,300 They relax all the services. And now, you know, now you have 300 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:02,900 people up there leading in skinny jeans in a collared 301 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:07,500 shirt, untucked right. And then and then next thing, 302 00:15:07,500 --> 00:15:10,200 you know there's a band up on the stage and and you know 303 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,600 there's seven or eight people standing up there with 304 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,500 microphones on the stage and then the, you know, then the 305 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:20,000 standards of dress start to change and Then the next thing, 306 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,000 you know they don't look any different than a some 307 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:28,000 nondenominational church, right? And then the Bible changes and 308 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,600 then everything else just follows right behind that, okay, 309 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:33,700 that church changed, but guess what? 310 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:36,400 You have 300 people in that church. 311 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,300 Now, you're strong ones who believe only in the King James 312 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:41,300 and who are not following that contemporary crowd and 313 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,300 everything else. Down that path or going to 314 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:47,900 leave, they're going to get others in who are in strong. 315 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:50,400 Churches who don't like the Wrong stand who are going to end 316 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,200 up going over to that church and joining and every whatever else 317 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,600 and they probably will even grow and that church. 318 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,900 That was 300 is now 350 or 400. But what happens is all the 319 00:15:59,900 --> 00:16:02,200 young people that are growing up in that church? 320 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,500 Don't know about the stand that used to be. 321 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:08,700 So where some people might say, well that's a little farther 322 00:16:08,700 --> 00:16:11,600 than I'm willing to go with it and this is, you know, that 323 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,200 church is going in that direction. 324 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,000 But this is not as far as we're going to go, but we're going to 325 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,200 stay here that that next generation of kids is being So 326 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,900 influenced by that and does not know the heritage of where they 327 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:25,700 came from and they're going to be full-blown contemporary 328 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:28,900 churches if they grow up and even stay in church. 329 00:16:28,900 --> 00:16:31,300 But if they grow up and get called into the ministry, that's 330 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:33,600 what they're going to start. It's not going to be anything 331 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,800 close to an independent fundamental Baptist Church. 332 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:38,200 It's going to be a non-denominational Neo 333 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,500 contemporary church at the beginning and then who knows 334 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:44,400 where it goes from there. And we haven't been far enough 335 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,200 into this yet to see where it's all going to lead, but you can 336 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,400 look at it and say, this is where it's going and this is the 337 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,500 danger in it. So it's very, very important 338 00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:56,600 that we have. This conversation is a 339 00:16:56,608 --> 00:17:00,500 conversation that's not only worth having, but it must be had 340 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,000 if we're going to save that next generation and be in the in the 341 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,200 direction that God wants us to go turn over to Second 342 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,400 Chronicles, chapter 12. Because the consequences of a 343 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,700 departure from our traditional approach to church and Ministry 344 00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:16,700 have to be examined and they have to be weighed. 345 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,700 And to fail in this is to fail in our responsibility, to each 346 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:23,599 other, to the truth, to Future generations. 347 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,599 To the very God at whose feet were all going to Bow someday. 348 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,500 God gave the same responsibility to the men of the tribe of 349 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:35,700 issachar and second Chronicles chapter 12 and verse number 32. 350 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,200 And of the children of is sekar, which were men that had 351 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,500 understanding of the times to know what Israel ought to do. 352 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:46,600 The heads of them were 200 and all their Brethren were at their 353 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,800 commandment. Now I'm not trying to set up set 354 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,100 up, set us up as some kind of Spiritual Authority, but we do 355 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:55,700 have to be spiritual Watchman and that involves paying 356 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,800 attention to what's going on in the independent fundamental 357 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,500 Baptist world and in these other churches and pointing out the 358 00:18:02,500 --> 00:18:05,800 errors in it. I just want to see our church 359 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:11,100 church is do well in the eyes of God, and in the lives of a 360 00:18:11,108 --> 00:18:14,300 desperately need Humanity. There's no long-term. 361 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:17,900 Good to be gained by heading down these this. 362 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:21,100 Now well-worn path of the Contemporary movement. 363 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:23,700 No, good. And a lot of grief and I've seen 364 00:18:23,700 --> 00:18:26,300 that happen in just a very short time that this contemporary 365 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:30,200 movement has been around. And I don't know if I make 20 366 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,600 years, might even be too long you know but it's still a 367 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,500 problem. Started back around that time. 368 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:39,700 But within the last 10 years, really, you've really seen a lot 369 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:43,300 of these churches moving in that direction and it's these solid 370 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:45,300 Independent Baptist Churches, who started weakening their 371 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:47,600 stand. And now that generation, who was 372 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,400 growing up and almost grown. During that time moved and 373 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,400 started their own churches. And now, they've taken that semi 374 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,900 strong stand. And we can add even more. 375 00:18:58,300 --> 00:19:00,800 And now they're the pastor's of those churches, who are 376 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,400 weakening that stand even more to where the, to the Point where 377 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:05,800 the generation that they're raising. 378 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,900 Now is going to be so weak, they won't even be able to stay in 379 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:11,500 Period, let alone be able to stand on the truth of the word 380 00:19:11,500 --> 00:19:13,300 of God. Having said that this is a 381 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:14,900 quote. And in fact, here's what I want 382 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:18,200 you to do, as we go through this tonight, I'm not going to take a 383 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:23,100 lot of time tonight after this, but We're going to go through 384 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:26,500 all of these points next week and look at them from a Biblical 385 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:28,700 perspective and you'll see where we're going with this. 386 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:31,400 Once I start into it here in just a minute but I want you to 387 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,600 see if you can discern for yourself and I told you that 388 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,200 we're going to do. I'm going to do a decent amount 389 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,400 of reading tonight. And I am because I want you to 390 00:19:37,408 --> 00:19:42,800 hear it from them from just ice and for you know as really the 391 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,500 de facto leader of this Neo, Independent Baptist movement, 392 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:48,000 but see if you can discern for yourself, some things that are 393 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,100 wrong with what this group is defining. 394 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:52,800 As their Neo Independent Baptist group. 395 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,400 All right? Having said that this is a quote 396 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,900 from Josh theis. He said this, I'm optimistic 397 00:19:57,900 --> 00:20:00,500 about the future of the Independent Baptist movement. 398 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,100 I'm excited when I meet the next generation of men who are 399 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:05,700 currently inheriting pulpits from their accomplished 400 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:07,800 predecessors. A thrill that every young Church 401 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,700 planter who shares amazing stories of God's grace in their 402 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:13,200 local Ministry. Young evangelist who refuse to 403 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,200 engage in denominational politics. 404 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,600 Inspire me, I'm encouraged by Young missionaries who are 405 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,800 decidedly. Not Preferring rather to 406 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,800 contextualize the gospel ministry as taught by the 407 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,100 Apostle Paul. These are the new Independent 408 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:31,000 Baptist and they are and here's the points that he lays out and 409 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,000 that's what we're going to go through. 410 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,500 So the first thing is he says that they're obsessed with the 411 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:39,400 gospel. Romans 1:16 he quotes there. 412 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,700 I'm not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for it is the power of 413 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:44,800 God and salvation to everyone. That believeth this is this is 414 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,200 what he says, people do not change because they start coming 415 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,900 to our church. People change because they have 416 00:20:48,900 --> 00:20:52,100 a supernatural interaction. Gospel of Jesus Christ. 417 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,900 This is the power that transforms a person's Destiny 418 00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:57,100 from Hell To Heaven. This is the power that brings 419 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:59,900 life to the dead spirit. This is the power that slowly 420 00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:02,400 conforms an individual into the image of Christ. 421 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,900 It is the preaching of the Gospel. 422 00:21:03,900 --> 00:21:06,900 That brings true change. This is why we bristle at 423 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:10,700 preaching that minimizes God's work and maximizes man's effort. 424 00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:12,900 We understand that true change will only come to an 425 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:16,400 individual's life as they quote, grow, in Grace, and in deeper, 426 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,700 understanding of Jesus, not when they are subjected to an 427 00:21:18,700 --> 00:21:21,800 artificial list of Holiness based on personal preferences. 428 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,800 Now again, this is what I want you to try to do tonight guy. 429 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,200 That's that's the first point that he says, they're obsessed 430 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,000 with the gospel. And I'm not saying that every 431 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,400 one of these is wrong or all wrong at least. 432 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:35,500 So what I want you to do is think about these things as I've 433 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:38,600 read through them. And as we list these points and 434 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,800 see where you stand on those things, see what you can discern 435 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,800 from those things. See what you think is right 436 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,000 about those things and what you think is wrong about those 437 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,900 things, all right? I'm asking you to to 438 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:51,900 spiritually. CERN if you will. 439 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:53,800 Okay. And then I'm not going to tell 440 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,700 you what you have to believe next week but I'm going to give 441 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:58,100 you some things that I see that are that are right and some 442 00:21:58,100 --> 00:22:00,400 things many things that are wrong with what he's talking 443 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,300 about here. But the second thing then that 444 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:05,200 he says this new Independent Baptist movement is Neo. 445 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,900 Independent Baptist movement is is committed to the preaching, 446 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:11,900 the Bible and he quotes 2nd, Timothy 4:2, preach the word be 447 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:15,200 instant in season out of season reprove rebuke, exhort with all 448 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,600 long-suffering and Doctrine. And by the way, maybe I should 449 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,400 point out that what he's saying in his definitions of these 450 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,500 things, is that this is what we are, essentially. 451 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:29,300 This is what the old independent Baptists are not. 452 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,000 Okay. But he says this wheel of 453 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,300 expository preaching, we desire to expose what the Bible is 454 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:39,600 actually saying we loathe, the practice of twisting a scripture 455 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,700 to fit a preconceived idea, some of us expose the scripture 456 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:47,100 through sequentially preaching through entire books of The 457 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:50,300 Bible, taking great care to understand each passage within 458 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:53,800 its proper context. Others prefer a systematic 459 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,500 approach that allows for sermon series. 460 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:58,900 That comprehensively deals with a specific topic or doctrine. 461 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,400 In both cases, the new Independent Baptist takes great 462 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,100 interest in being true to the original intent of the author. 463 00:23:06,700 --> 00:23:09,800 This is why we dismiss preachers who continually misappropriate 464 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,200 the very word of God at best. These men are naive at worst. 465 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,800 They are knowingly, prostituting the word for personal profit. 466 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,400 I want to say a lot but I'm not going to for the sake of saving 467 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,700 it for next week. But think about that. 468 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:25,100 Think about think about how he's saying, I know we're going 469 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:28,400 through it kind of quickly but think about what they're talking 470 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,800 about in speaking and talking about the word of God 471 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,800 contextually. And you know the the idea of 472 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,100 being true to the original intent of the author. 473 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,800 I'll tell you exactly what that does. 474 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:45,800 It opens it up for you to take any version of the Bible that 475 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,400 you want to take? Because now you're being true to 476 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,000 the intent. Not to the very words of God. 477 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:55,900 The third thing that they say is that they are men of unity who 478 00:23:55,900 --> 00:24:01,200 despise hyper separatism men of unity who despise hyper 479 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,000 separatism. A quote John. 13:35 by this 480 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,100 shall all men know that ye are my disciples if you have love 481 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:12,100 one to another, sadly he says. Our movement has been identified 482 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:15,600 by a misappropriation of one passage about separation while 483 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,800 ignoring so many others about Unity. 484 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,300 These are the hyper separatist. Not only do they separate from 485 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:23,600 Godly leaders outside of our denomination. 486 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,000 They actively attack fellow Independence. 487 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,400 This has led our movement to divide into Splinter camps of 488 00:24:29,408 --> 00:24:33,000 varying influence in size as if that's not what they're doing 489 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000 with this whole movement. This has led our movement to 490 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,800 divide into Splinter camps of varying influence in size. 491 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:41,600 Each group seems to demand complete Here in Synod, only 492 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,700 fundamentals of theology but also to complete agreement in 493 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:47,700 secondary doctrinal issues, but they go even farther. 494 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,100 They also want uniformity and personal convictions. 495 00:24:50,100 --> 00:24:54,300 And preferential issues like worship style, service 496 00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:56,900 scheduling, building design and Pulpit. 497 00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:00,900 Attire to question. The status quo, bring suspicion 498 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,900 to express, disagreement brings Swift separation. 499 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,500 However, this is changing, the new Independent Baptist is less 500 00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:10,600 enamored with uniformity and more dedicated to Unity. 501 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:13,600 The the litmus test for Fellowship has nothing to do 502 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,500 with genes versus ties. Hymns versus CCM or Sunday 503 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:22,000 School versus small groups. We understand that the world is 504 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,900 going to hell and if we are going to reach them, it's going 505 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:26,800 to take a wide range of doctrinally sound churches that 506 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,200 are going to look extremely different from one another. 507 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,300 It's not only acceptable, it is preferable. 508 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,600 Think about that for a second. I'll give it a, I'll give you a 509 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,400 second to let it sink in about the things that he's talking 510 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,400 about is minimizing everything that, that separates us from the 511 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,700 world. It's exactly what that is. 512 00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:48,400 We'll talk about that more. The fourth thing. 513 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,400 He says, defines the new Independent Baptist movement or 514 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,800 the Neo Independent Baptist movement is that they are turned 515 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,100 off by denominational politics. First Corinthians, 1:12 and 13. 516 00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:01,200 There are more kundera contentions among you. 517 00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:04,000 Now this, I say that every one of you saith, I am of Paul. 518 00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:06,900 All and having will polish, and I have cephas and I of Christ is 519 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:10,400 Christ divided. That's the that's the passage 520 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000 that he uses to talk about denominational politics. 521 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,600 They're turned off by that. He says this one of the great 522 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,100 benefits of being independent, Baptist was supposed to be the 523 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:21,800 lack of denominational control. Sadly our movement has not 524 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,600 always been able to live up to this ideal. 525 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,200 This is partly due to our proclivity toward the inane, 526 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,400 practice of second-degree, third degree and fourth degree. 527 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,800 Separation fear is a terrible thing for R will lead a man to 528 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,300 say what he doesn't believe in order to, please a Critic. 529 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,900 Fear will cause a man to sacrifice transparency at the 530 00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:42,500 altar of influence. Fear will keep them in quiet 531 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:45,200 when he ought to speak but he'll call it discretion. 532 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,500 Fear will keep a church planter tied to a denominationally 533 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:51,000 improved method that produces fewer results. 534 00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:53,700 Instead we choose to be men who are more concerned with freedom 535 00:26:53,700 --> 00:26:57,900 of expression and open dialogue than retaining influence and 536 00:26:57,900 --> 00:26:59,700 pleasing critics. Trust me. 537 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,100 I understand the pressure simply by writing this post. 538 00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:05,700 I'm opening myself. Up to reprisals, but I have 539 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:07,700 found that speaking. The truth is rewarding, 540 00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:10,800 expressing your position is freeing and saying what you 541 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,300 really think is tremendously liberating transparency, doesn't 542 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,000 seem to limit influence, it seems to expand it. 543 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,800 And in some ways he's right on that. 544 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800 There are a lot of people who do things the way that they do it, 545 00:27:22,808 --> 00:27:24,700 because they're afraid of what somebody else is going to think 546 00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:29,500 about the way that they do it. He's right in that but we'll 547 00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:31,200 talk about a lot of that stuff. Next week. 548 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800 The fifth thing that they say is that they're dedicated to Fisk 549 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,800 Coleco nobility. He says in second Timothy 45 550 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,100 make, full proof of thy Ministry at the recent idea day East 551 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,800 there, there were many great truth shared about life in 552 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,900 Ministry. And again, we'll talk about idea 553 00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,000 day. Later, one of the greatest 554 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000 quotes of the day was if the Pastoral staff is afraid of 555 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,900 financial accountability. There's a problem far, too many 556 00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:57,900 churches have been destroyed by a pastoral staff on willing to 557 00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:02,000 adopt strict Financial policies. Overspending misappropriation of 558 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,900 funds and even outright theft have brought many churches down 559 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,200 I And great comfort in knowing that this trend is dying away. 560 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,000 In Independent Baptist Church is due to the humility of pastors 561 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,800 and the hard work of deacons. We are to lead in the coming 562 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,500 century and we ought to remove the temptation of financial 563 00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:21,900 corruption. the next one he says is that there are well read no 564 00:28:21,900 --> 00:28:23,900 Pride should be taken in ignorance. 565 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:26,700 We should primarily be, well, read in the scriptures for they 566 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,800 contain what is needed for life and Ministry, but we should also 567 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,500 be well, read in history science, literature leadership 568 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:35,000 and pop culture. One of the things I love about 569 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,700 the young Independent Baptist in whom, God, is bringing me in 570 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:39,700 contact. Is their Readiness to grow. 571 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,400 They're not in bondage to index. Liberum, prohibit, or mm, as was 572 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,300 instituted by the Roman Catholic Church, they read broadly, 573 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,900 always being careful to filter. New thoughts for the inspired 574 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,900 word, this allows them to reach a broader swath of people within 575 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,500 their cultural setting. It also allows them to challenge 576 00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:59,400 their presupposed point of view points of view again. 577 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,600 You know, I don't want to get into it tonight. 578 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,800 Number seven just getting started. 579 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Is what he says. Is something that defines the 580 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,200 Neo Independent Baptist movement, Acts 1:8, you shall 581 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,800 receive power after that. The Holy Ghost is come upon you 582 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,600 and you shall be Witnesses unto me, both in Jerusalem and in all 583 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,700 Judea and in Samaria and unto the uttermost parts of the 584 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:24,000 earth, he says our generation is just getting started, the world 585 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000 stands before us. In desperate need of Jesus 586 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,100 Christ, we hold the solution to the world's problems and we are 587 00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:32,300 ready to give him away. We're willing to do anything. 588 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:34,600 It takes to please, our Lord in advance his kingdom. 589 00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:36,900 We're just now arriving on the foreign field. 590 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000 We're just now launching our church plant. 591 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,400 We're just now inheriting the established Pulpit. 592 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:43,800 We are just now beginning to see the possibilities for a 593 00:29:43,808 --> 00:29:47,100 worldwide evangelism. The future is bright the next 40 594 00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:50,800 years, belong to us. Will we be the generation that 595 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,200 turns the nation's back to Christ? 596 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800 I believe we can for we are just getting started. 597 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,200 Essentially, you see what he's saying here? 598 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,300 Is that essentially all the work of of all the independent 599 00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:04,800 Baptist in all the Baptist Churches before him Have done. 600 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,100 What? Essentially we just took over 601 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:09,500 and we're just getting started. Sharing the gospel. 602 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,300 We're just getting started. You know, turning all these 603 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:14,800 churches into what we are is what he's saying. 604 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:19,700 You know, and I want you to mold those things over this week and 605 00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:20,900 think about some of those things. 606 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:22,100 And we'll talk about them next week. 607 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:28,100 But before we end tonight, He wrote this, he wrote this 608 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,700 article and then he published, I think he probably said on a Blog 609 00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:33,700 that he does think, that's where I saw it originally. 610 00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:38,700 But the, the list of responses to that article is just, I mean, 611 00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:41,000 it goes on for days and days and days. 612 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,600 And I went down the rabbit hole so that other people don't have 613 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,500 to and read a bunch of those responses. 614 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:52,000 And I'm not one that I don't do a lot on Facebook, and I don't 615 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,100 get into arguments with people on. 616 00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:57,100 Line, I just don't do it. There's a lot of things where 617 00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:00,000 I'm like, I want to say this but it's not worth it, it's not 618 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,600 worth it so I don't. But I filled her a lot of these 619 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,700 things through my own, through the word of God and these 620 00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:09,400 different responses and everything else. 621 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,500 But here's one that I came across that I felt I needed to 622 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:18,800 read for its Clarity because We're going to break all these 623 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,200 things down. One at a time. 624 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:25,200 And there's a lot that you probably don't know about these 625 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,300 guys and and because maybe you don't, maybe you've never really 626 00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:32,000 looked into it before at all, but a lot of these a lot of 627 00:31:32,008 --> 00:31:34,400 people have questioned. Josh Titus, if you hate the 628 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,200 things that the Independent Baptist and for then why are you 629 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,800 still in Independent Baptist or are you still an independent 630 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,900 Baptist and in response to that? He wrote another whole article 631 00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:44,500 about that. He basically said, yes, I'm 632 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:46,900 still an independent Baptist because even though I see that 633 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:50,100 there's tons of problems in the Independent Baptist movement or 634 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:53,900 the Independent Baptist, Churches there's problems in all 635 00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:57,600 denominations and if I'm just basically, if I changed and 636 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800 became anything else I'd be jumping out of the frying pan 637 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,000 into the fire, right? So so I'm just going to stay an 638 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,100 independent Baptist but he's not. 639 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:07,000 That's not what in? And we talk about all these 640 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,300 things. That's not what Independent 641 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:11,100 Baptist stand for. So you're not you can claim to 642 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:14,400 be an independent Baptist and in some ways I guess he kind of is 643 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,200 because there is nothing that you know is a set of rules to be 644 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,600 or not to be. Independent Baptist, but that's 645 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,600 not what Independent Baptist and for and they're moving so fast 646 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,600 and so far away from that Foundation. 647 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,200 This guy says it great. He says I don't know who this 648 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,700 guy is but I loved his response and this is what we'll end with. 649 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:39,800 He said there are many things that I've seen growing up that I 650 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400 have that. I have a great dislike for many 651 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,700 of which has been mentioned. I've never seen or known any 652 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,700 movement, Southern Baptist, SBC, Southern Baptist Church, 653 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,300 nondenominational emergent, Etc, to be perfect. 654 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,300 I've also come to recognize many things that I'm thankful for it. 655 00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:57,500 You see? It was in the independent 656 00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:58,800 fundamental Baptist summer camps. 657 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,700 That I came to know the Lord as my My Savior and since the 658 00:33:01,708 --> 00:33:04,100 moving of God, in my life to surrender to be a preacher of 659 00:33:04,100 --> 00:33:07,600 the Gospel, it was through the teachings of the scripture by 660 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,300 men of God, that I learned a Biblical Holiness and biblical 661 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:12,600 separation. It was at the independent 662 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,600 fundamental Baptist conferences were God's stirred. 663 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,200 My heart to live for him. I'm not one to go. 664 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,200 Pick a fight. I believe in being truly 665 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,800 independent, but not a recluse. I'm not in anybody's back pocket 666 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,400 and I'm nobody's boy. But my dad's being an 667 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,800 independent Baptist means something, if we were truly 668 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,600 independent, or we wanted Unity. Then why write an article that 669 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,900 brings more Division and starts a new camp? 670 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,700 These types of Articles? Do not reinforce our 671 00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:40,800 independence but rather begins to lump people into camps. 672 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,800 If you're truly an independent Baptist, then why are there so 673 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,800 many Southern Baptist guys commenting on this blog. 674 00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:49,500 I really don't care what the Southern Baptist Church or the 675 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,800 NEOS do until they poke their nose where it doesn't belong. 676 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,800 Why does your article reach into the hearts of the Southern 677 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,300 Baptist Church? The nondenominational crowd, the 678 00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:00,800 Neo crowd? They want nothing to To do with 679 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,200 our crowd except when we send them the folks that were saved 680 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,200 in our churches, they wanted nothing to do with us until an 681 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,699 article is written by one who claims to be an independent 682 00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:12,199 Baptist that tickles their ear. The Lord does not build churches 683 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,800 that look like a club and sounds like the rock concert from 684 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,600 Saturday night. Those churches are built by men. 685 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,199 Josh, if you're going a Direction, go, why do you need 686 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,699 to see a? Why do you see a need and trying 687 00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:27,600 to influence a movement if you're so independent? 688 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:30,100 Over the years, I've gotten tired of guys trying to be the 689 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,199 next pope of the Independent Baptist, lead your church and 690 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,900 let others leave. There's article was as much 691 00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:39,000 about what new things you like as it was about the old things. 692 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,000 You don't like you don't like it, leave it and be what you 693 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,699 are. But don't try to say, you're an 694 00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:46,199 independent Baptist when you look like a Southern Baptist 695 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,199 Church, a non-denominational church and emergent Church. 696 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,699 You'll walk like a southern baptist. 697 00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:53,600 Nondenominational emergent Church sound like a southern 698 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,400 baptist. Non-denominational emergent 699 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,800 church I'm not interested in being like them. 700 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,600 Writing articles against them. I don't want them influencing 701 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,800 this generation of young Independent Baptist. 702 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,200 So let me encourage you to go be what you are but stay out of my 703 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,500 Pea Patch. I think I was a great article. 704 00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,300 I mean it was just a response but I but that's exactly. 705 00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:14,900 I mean that's my that's my thinking as I'm reading through 706 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,000 this entire article why do you need to create a movement around 707 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,400 yourself if you're so independent and you can go do 708 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,300 what you want to do. Then go be independent to do 709 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:24,300 what you want to do. Why do you need to create a 710 00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:27,000 movement around yourself, right? I'll tell you why. 711 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,300 It's because they know I know that the direction they're going 712 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:32,300 is not a good direction and they're trying to justify it. 713 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,700 And the more people you have that you can justify it to the 714 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:38,800 better, you feel about yourself in the whole thing. 715 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,600 So we're going to talk about all these different points. 716 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,900 We're going to take them one by one and look at them from a 717 00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:48,500 Biblical perspective and see what the problems are with each. 718 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:51,500 One of these things and then it'll probably it probably will 719 00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:54,000 actually take us another couple weeks on this just because I'll, 720 00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:55,900 this is something that is very, very important. 721 00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:58,300 And I want to us to make sure that we Stand? 722 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,500 Why we're not going in that same direction? 723 00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:05,000 And why were, why were avoiding at all cost going in that same 724 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,100 direction. It's very, very dangerous. 725 00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:10,300 And once you start down that road, you almost can't come back 726 00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,900 from it, unless you have a hard break and you split a church and 727 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:15,400 you lose a ton of people doing it. 728 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,800 And and it's a very, very dangerous dangerous path to 729 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,500 start down and that's why we're not even going to start down 730 00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:27,100 that path, but I think it's important for us to understand 731 00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,200 that. There are a lot of churches out 732 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,300 there that are well down that path. 733 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:33,200 Some that are just turning down that path. 734 00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,700 It's dangerous. It's very very dangerous and we 735 00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:38,600 need to understand why. So we'll stop there for tonight. 736 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,600 And then we'll get back into this again next week. 737 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:43,600 Let's pray. Father, we love you and we thank 738 00:36:43,607 --> 00:36:46,000 you for your goodness to us. I thank you that we do have the 739 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,100 word of God. I pray, not for the sake of 740 00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,900 Pride. I pray that it wouldn't be for 741 00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:52,500 the sake of Pride, but for the sake of standing for the truth 742 00:36:52,508 --> 00:36:56,000 and for the sake of being different from this world that 743 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000 you'd help us to take a stand on the truth of the word of God and 744 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,200 that we wouldn't bend, we wouldn't bout a culture, we 745 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,600 wouldn't bow to the Neo Independent Baptist crowd that 746 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,300 wants every Church to be something different than what it 747 00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:11,600 is. Is God, I pray that you'd help 748 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,000 us to be exactly what you want us to be in this church. 749 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,500 That we'd have a desire for Holiness that we have a desire 750 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:22,200 to win souls and that because of that, you'd be able to use us in 751 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,400 the way that you want to, and we wouldn't get on our own way and 752 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,000 be a hindrance to the working of the Holy Spirit In This Place. 753 00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:30,900 Well, thank you for all that you do for us in Jesus name. 754 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:31,500 Amen.