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From India's largest Newsroom. 
I'm Warren Gorge. 

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And this is the times of India 
podcast. 

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It was in 2020 that the 
restrictions were imposed on the

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entry of media persons in 
Parliament, due to the covid-19 

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pandemic. 
It's been three years since they

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were imposed, but the 
restrictions remain despite the 

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opening of a new Parliament 
building we represented before 

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speaker, that now all the 
restrictions are completely 

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lifted and not only in India but
all over the world. 

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Aho World Health Organization 
has also declared that. 

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Now there is no need for 
restrictions and people can move

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freely. 
So on that basis. 

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We again pleaded with the 
speaker of the Lok Sabha. 

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That now, is the time that you 
should allow media persons as it

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used to be three covid 
situation, at least so far, 

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there is no official response 
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Good for the government. 
Now, new building of the 

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parliament is there in that 
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There is a media Gallery. 
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increased from 1998, has gone up
to 128 but the issue remains if 

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we are allowed inside the media 
gallery, please Gallery, then 

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you re it is of use if you if 
you Continue with some kind of a

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pretext, to deny the entry to 
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and in a way denying the access 
to the information. 

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What one should say when is it, 
is it is denying the basic 

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fundamental, right? 
Of the citizens of this country 

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to know what is happening in the
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What is happening in the 
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It is it is it denied? 
That's you know, journalists 

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ananth Target curve underneath 
had resigned as the secretary of

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the media advisory committee to 
the rajya Sabha in 2021. 

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Over the restrictions, that 
prevent a journalist like him 

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from covering Parliament, with 
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set to start in July the 
restrictions remain in place in 

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a letter to Lok Sabha speaker. 
Ohm Bedlam the Press Club of 

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India. 
Recently demanded restrictions 

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on the entry of journalists be 
removed. 

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They've not received a response 
yet. 

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In today's episode underneath is
in conversation with Mike. 

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League Alka do care about. 
Why the representatives of all 

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media houses should be allowed 
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He pulls back the curtain on how
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Parliament to speak with 
lawmakers and report on stories.

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That may be important for their 
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He also explains what he thinks 
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these. 
Restrictions remaining in place.

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I'll get started by asking 
undone to explain how things 

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worked in the old building of 
Parliament, that is now set to 

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be converted into a museum. 
All of us who have not been to 

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the parliament area Gallery. 
Can you like give us a view and 

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how important was it to sit in 
the parliament Gallery access to

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the parliament is very 
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This, those who cover Delhi and 
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And obviously the national 
politics for them access to 

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Parliament is very, very 
important. 

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I am talking of the old 
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made some new Arrangements but I
am talking of the old Parliament

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building where media Gallery was
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So we can get a complete view of
the house who is doing what we 

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speaking. 
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are like this speaker of the 
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We do not take sides. 
Our view is complete mrs. 

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Reeves. 
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benches, they make some point. 
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note of by the journalists and 
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So that is how the idea came 
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about the speaker. 
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Lok Sabha, they have made two 
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The issue remains that 
journalist access to the 

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parliament. 
And the media Gallery is of 

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utmost importance Because unless
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present there, he cannot just 
watch some TV or something looks

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of a channel and Report because 
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other channels. 
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some hullabaloo takes place, the
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speaker. 
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follow. 
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They are not shown. 
But in democracy, if a members 

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voice is not heard and if 
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him or just making bigger noise 
than him and what allowed him to

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exactly made his own point then 
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the gallery, you can see the 
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is very important to sit in the 
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proceedings by your own eyes and
your and hear with your own 

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ears. 
We have a PTA and other agencies

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reporting available why it is 
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newspapers reporters or 
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Parliament House. 
How it matters and This is a 

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great question PTI, uni or any 
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They cover the larger picture 
Times of India. 

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Publishes it in English, we 
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or Malayalam but news is 
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So we are equally National 
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only language newspapers so 
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Also have obviously, since we 
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Malayala Manorama is from Kira. 
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news items which are not covered
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But a person from Maharashtra or
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parliament Gallery obviously the
Kerala in peace, they raised 

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some Kerala issues. 
Mara train pieces, braised, 

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marotta cognitive boundary 
dispute, So that kind of issue 

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though that they are reported by
us and they are reported in 

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details. 
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also need to have access to the 
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consists of entire India. 
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Delhi, or up' or Bihar Kerala 
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Are there, the main are do MPS 
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Not again, please are there and 
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these states language press, 
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that is why language raise also 
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parliament. 
Do you feel that covid-19 an 

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excuse to stop the informal 
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BJP party and media persons in 
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Mm, not only be GB but any 
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Any ruling party that is why I 
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Raj, eSATA, any state power will
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Originalist to have a free 
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Leave aside parties parties come
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difference of degree is always 
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some leaders used to complain 
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sit in the central Hall but 
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and the leaders and The 
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interact with the journalist. 
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whoo-hoo. 
Who were not very, who do not 

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wanted them to speak, and to 
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politicians are there? 
No doubt, but I can miss, I can 

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name, many leaders. 
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used to come and sit in the 
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and toast, Sonia, Gandhi Rahul 
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prime minister in Italia 
re-watch pile of Krishna. 

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Advani moly man. 
Although she may see, I can name

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me one BJP leaders also. 
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comes and sit in the central 
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of journalist when he was alive 
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also used to give a kind of a 
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the government? 
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A hint that these things are 
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work as a journalist and develop
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interaction, obviously, some 
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is not only news views, also 
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those who really want to control
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and they don't want such 
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public, obviously, they They 
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such access to journalist is not
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The new building, that doesn't 
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It has got only a media Lounge, 
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talkative or not, very free. 
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Media lounge and interact with 
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So, in a way, it is a denial, 
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You are denying access to 
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persons. 
So the opposition leaders have 

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always called this Undeclared 
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And with your experience, tell 
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emergency where such 
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time, or was it a different 
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Central Hall? 
Was not closed, or shut down. 

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Or access was not denied, no 
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That was the issue, but Axis or 
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journalist and that is the 
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And then now you are completely 
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barred from entering the old 
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The you are converting now into 
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So now democracy is also now a 
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people like us think. 
It is a democratic, right? 

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No, this is the fundamental 
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country so non journalists 
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If you can explain that when you
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you're not mentioning what 
revealing who you're going to 

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meet in the building and or what
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how it helps journalists to 
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the confidentiality and the 
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Mm is exactly opposite, 8uc 
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And if you are really honest to 
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obviously people come forward 
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cannot be only restricted to the
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You can meet anywhere it is not 
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some information and you give 
the new obviously we get a piece

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of information from Um one 
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then other sources. 
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That is how a news is developed.
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this government. 
They tell MP's openly And that 

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has been reported. 
That MP should not talk to 

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journalists. 
Why if a member of parliament 

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wants to highlight what he has 
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issues he has raised in the 
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or office region. 
Okay, country talk to the to a 

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journalist and till the 
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this issue, it can be a good 
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Also that his government has 
done something and his issue has

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been resolved. 
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talk to journalists is again in 
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And the same thing is now 
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bureaucracy Etc. 
They speak. 

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But not the way they used to do.
I design that Secretary of rajya

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Sabha media advisory committee 
in protest of these sanctions or

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restrictions, did it bring some 
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government side? 
20 remaining in committee was 

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useless meaningless. and that is
what I have written in that 

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later to the Chairman of the 
rajya Sabha who happens to be 

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vice president of India. 
It was a very simple later that 

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since the restrictions go with 
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removed relaxed all over the 
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Obviously our demand is to get 
the excess of Parliament and to 

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get the excess of parliament for
what to go and eat if you drink 

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coffee and tea. 
No, we want information. 

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But just on the pretext of 
covid, you are denying the entry

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of media into the parliament was
come from something, which was 

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not acceptable. 
You live in a democracy. 

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How why? 
Why? 

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You want to hide something from 
the media? 

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So it is nothing but hiding 
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Denying access to the 
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and I said it is it is not 
protest, but the pain and the 

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pain which is shared by the 
journalists across But there was

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no response, no reply. 
And in fact informally I was 

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conveyed by the staff of the 
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no he was very upset by your 
later. 

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But, you know, he told us that 
the administration comes under 

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Lok Sabha speaker. 
What he can do with the I said 

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I'm covering Parliament when he 
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So don't tell me who is 
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Administration and what if 
anybody wants to do, he can very

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well do. 
He is also chairman of a house 

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and I think some kind of a 
wisdom prevailed because later 

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on I think one station they 
allowed journalist but since he 

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retired or he were his his term.
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president came. 
So again, that practice was down

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and let us hope that in the new 
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the journalists. 
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as we used to move freely in the
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media lounge and the galleries. 
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a Don't go to Parliament 
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Might take place in the new 
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that is what they see that 
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mid-july, or the third week of 
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or five weeks, obviously, it 
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we don't know. 
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Secretariat. 
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whether to Music. 
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from the top about the axis. 
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these restrictions. 
What are they trying to achieve 

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Bird by denying journalists 
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This. 
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want to press allow a one-sided 
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India, then obviously, you will 
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In democracy, other side is 
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want, only the government 
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We are doing good for the people
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anybody is taking objection or 
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mindset that only one-sided 
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before the readers. 
Let us decide, but this is not 

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democracy. 
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against the democracy and the 
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democracy means that you should 
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view. 
Also, by doing this, you are not

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allowing the other view to be 
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the people of the country. 
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