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From India's largest Newsroom. 
I'm are enjoyed, and this is the

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times of India podcast. 
If you've seen that Film Iron 

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Man you remember that scene by 
character Tony Stark is in a 

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cave working with what he has to
make his first Iron Man suit 

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thankfully. 
But he stuck a routine didn't 

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have to work out of a cave but 
it wasn't like she had it easy 

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while trying to do her mtech in 
chemical engineering. 

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NG from IIT Madras while in 
Afghanistan, he or she is 

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explaining how she put together 
a lab at home, so that she could

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do her experiments, one of the 
two. 

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I was to making that 
bioplastics. 

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There in that, I needed a 
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my, a wind machine is digital 
Wing Machine. 

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I needed there and some beakers 
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needed these four essential 
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Yeah, I I borrowed their 
microwave, I was using not the 

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chemical microwaves. 
I was using this cooking 

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microwaves, that we are using at
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My economical condition is not 
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sister was married, she had that
microwave at home and I borrowed

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that from her. 
And then I went to the jewelry 

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Center at jewelry shops and I 
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That was not that much 
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I could afford that and I 
borrowed some Baker's from the 

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University that I was studying 
my visit there the professor's. 

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They are or very helpful. 
I was not going there. 

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My brother was allowed to go in 
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that Beaker some beakers, and 
etceteras, flasks and his tips 

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for my brother. 
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brought it for me. 
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that's based on speaking with 
manage going who covers 

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education for the times of India
and authors the education plus 

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newsletter - caught up with 
baster to talk about her 

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Herculean effort to complete a 
rim take while sitting in a 

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country where girls are being 
prevented from pursuing even 

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school education. 
In today's episode, baster is in

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conversation with Manish about 
how she overcame remarkable odds

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to complete the course and why 
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If she can base, the started by 
telling mohnish about How she's 

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from a background where 
education is valued and that 

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helped her pursue her dreams in 
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She also talks about how she 
reached a stage where she could 

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apply for mtech. 
I have been burning an education

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and educated family which order 
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My father is social science 
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My mother is a doctor head of 
the clinic and my Yammer, my 

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oldest sister is an idea PDC 
Then who is right now, stuck in 

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Afghanistan because of this 
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issues. 
And also, my second sister has 

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studied law, my brother social 
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I am the fifth member of 50 
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has studied something, 
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us or Engineers chemical 
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And rest of our that is medical 
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faculties. 
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portal from Afghanistan, which 
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Afghanistan called sorrowful 
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in Jerusalem province. 
Which is far away from that 

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Province, like the gate exam 
that India has we have also an 

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exam called conquered exam. 
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admitted in the chemical 
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done. 
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completed my btech, but at the, 
the knowledge I got in these two

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years of, IIT Madras, I can tell
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with the knowledge that I got in
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the three big reasons I want to 
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I don't want to go with the 
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I want to go with the academics 
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What are the what are the needs 
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Education system in Afghanistan.
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high standards education in IIT 
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to bring this standard to my 
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Hopefully, I can, I see if they 
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letters. 
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Facing lots of difficulties. 
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This is smiling, is I can tell 
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smiling, but they are not 
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It has been our habit to smile 
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Ruggles, today. 
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we are having babies turtle - 
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She had applied for admission to
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seemed set to go through the 
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drain after that. 
My intake program, I wanted to 

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improve my language mood. 
I went to Kabul province which 

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is very my relatives are living 
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I went there to take the TOEFL 
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scholarships for one year. 
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that, I somehow scored a medium 
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Then after that, I applied for 
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through ICC are at that time. 
A Taliban was not here in 

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Afghanistan. 
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and we were applying for 
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that You're all. 
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unfortunately, after I pass the 
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professors, and then I ate it, 
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Afghanistan on 15th of others. 
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receiving any response from ICC,
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They were telling that my 
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So I reached the it, the global 
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I emailed them that I have 
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I'm having this these issues 
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I see that is not supporting us 
but I really want to continue my

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empty list that says there were 
multiple reasons behind choosing

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IIT Madras to pursue her 
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Basically I selected five iits 
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for ICL scholarships after that,
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an interview from three iits IIT
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And I D Madras. 
But for me, because I was a girl

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who haven't traveled alone 
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part of IIT Madras. 
She's a professor in jail, John 

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University. 
She has currency had gone to IIT

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Madras through World Bank 
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government. 
She was there for me to 

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accompany me. 
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was a personal reason because he
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So I selected, I IIT Madras to 
continue my studies based on, go

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to full scholarship from IIT 
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which made it economically 
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But she says that she really 
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was studying entirely online and
the admission had come through a

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month. 
After the course began, I was 

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struggling a lot into first 
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backward of the things and also 
the everything was very new for 

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me. 
But I was I was not leave In my 

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hook, I was sleeping just the 
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hours, and rest of that for 18 
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computer. 
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starting everything and trying 
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Madras. 
However, I don't feel that I 

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could that I could reach that, 
but I learned a lot, a lot of 

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things compared to my previous 
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I want to know about your 
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Once the Taliban regime came 
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girls managing? 
How did you manage and 

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particular? 
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home and you're on a remote 
learning process, even then how 

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easy it is for you to continue 
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everything. 
When I went out on came the 

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first two semesters and the 
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months. 
It was not like it was not very 

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normal. 
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to go to school, to go to 
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open for the girls. 
Also, I feel that in this is a 

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threat for them to be accepted 
by the world, but they have 

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right now. 
They have banned from eight 

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months, there is an official 
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true that girls cannot enter to 
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Everything every indication is 
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women, and for their girls, no 
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even do their language centers, 
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Centers or clues for the women's
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For me, it was like I was 
telling also this was for my 

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professor breast and thank you 
for saving me from depression in

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these two years because lots of 
people here, specially women 

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girls and also will remain or 
all Also facing this depression 

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in their mind because of these 
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that, she had to rely on books 
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She also credits the online 
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escape the hardships of studying
in Afghanistan for me, it was 

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not that Marty easy easy, but 
for others, it was worse than 

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me. 
Because I was, I was somehow 

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come to continuing my education 
with just an online whenever I 

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was Using this blue and I need 
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I was not using libraries 
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mentor to the library's. 
I was using this sites using 

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online books. 
I was buying some online books 

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and also some links, which or 
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So I was using that, but for 
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Specially my, brother's my 
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offline, it was very bad for 
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Now after that, I'm getting 
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Eating my intake and if I don't 
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the now I'm thinking in these 
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these things because I was very 
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now it is the time to think that
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country, how will we help those 
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However, I have learned a lot of
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I was not somebody who was 
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this online teaching taught me 
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What about know? 
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connectivity there in first 
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I can tell you that I was 
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and two in two hours because 
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internet problems. 
But after the time passes it 

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improves their here. 
Also they improve the other 

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internet services and right now 
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Like I can make an icon. 
Turn on my video and talk to you

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and hear. 
It was very bad. 

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It was not like that. 
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startled, manage that she was 
really upset about not being 

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able to go on campus and 
participate in things like lab 

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work. 
The absence of Laboratories also

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meant that she wouldn't be able 
to choose a topic that she 

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wanted to pursue base the 
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Her guide at IIT Madras with 
encouraging her to keep going at

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a time that she was thinking of 
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From the course I selected. 
Emotion. 

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Fuse. 
Mayim ticker project because I'm

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really interested in lab work, 
but unfortunately, I could not 

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go there. 
I could not be part of the 

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campus. 
So I buy the suggestion of 

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Prophecy. 
Basavaraj might develop Grandpa.

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He's my guy. 
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take a simulation based project 
because I was not exact spacing 

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to the lab here. 
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continue with water, absorption 
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This simulation based project 
was something very new for me. 

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I was not using any software 
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engineering. 
If we were not using any 

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software I told from services 
that I want to take break, I 

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don't want to continue my like 
from far away as online like 

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this because I'm not good in 
computer skills and software 

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skills, but he advised me 
something like yet. 

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Like you can feel that like a 
father can tell you that. 

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Baster, you don't have any 
choice. 

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You have a special case. 
So you you you have to continue 

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with that. 
If you take a break and nothing 

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is some something specific and 
clear about you, so, you may be 

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like uncompleted four long 
years. 

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So, I would suggest you to 
continue with this. 

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Of course, there would be lots 
of obstacles for you to complete

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this project, but you can do 
that. 

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I feel that you can do you 
continue. 

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And I accepted that right now. 
Now, I really time from 

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Professor basa who advised me 
like this because I was like 

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kind of giving up, but he took 
my hand and told that no you 

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have to continue. 
I will be with you and continue 

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with this project and complete 
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As you heard, I explained 
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home microwave borrowed because 
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skill from a jewelry shop to do 
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Now, she'd like to do a PhD and 
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campus that she's only seen 
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If I continue with this remote 
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thing that I can do, but I don't
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has lots of struggles. 
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other facilities in the compass,
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students, which in it, which is 
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knowledge being interacted with 
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facilities. 
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But if I could get the remote 
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two years, which would be the 
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But for my research, I would 
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don't like to go with the remote
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intake. 
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the campus present, not as 
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I want also no fee if you want 
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What is the situation right now?
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All they want to come to India. 
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other country. 
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A lot of people are traveling 
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countries like Malaysia China, 
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U.s. they people are going. 
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traveling there, it's just 
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giving a Visa for Afghans. 
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us Visa we can travel data but 
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The only thing that would be 
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Accompanying us and I was asking
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Can we go for the second 
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Like I can go to the Iran? 
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Pakistan, and these countries 
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Ambassador open there. 
I can go there, apply for Indian

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scope. 
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me there and I can travel from 
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and got to know that it is not 
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get Visa from anyway. 
Any countries if I could get 

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Visa here. 
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I would love to like, company 
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They can accompany me to the 
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But if they are, for example, 
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flying from the Pakistan or 
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So my father or my brother can 
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that I can can can travel alone 
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country. 
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the class in India, a class what
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of any assistance you bought 
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them was lovely. 
They were really helpful for me 

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whenever I was asking them, they
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can meet and Google meet and we 
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the loving speech I was 
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their classmates. 
Wherever my group members that I

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was doing some group mood 
projects with them assignments 

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with them, everyone was so 
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that want to thank from all 
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especially those who were in the
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professors, every member of this
journey that I was having, they 

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were having a hand, they were 
having a part to make this 

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biggish data. 
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for for gifting this base that 
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and for my country and do you 
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well? 
I would love to however I don't 

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have that much hope because two 
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there but I could not, I really 
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convocation. 
Students are standing among them

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taking photos and feel the 
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After that much struggle, that I
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if I could be there, I would be 
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Be statuses that at a time of 
can girls are being denied 

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education. 
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whatever way they can. 
As a student what is my 

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responsibility and what would be
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who are right now facing this 
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education campuses and 
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If you want to struggle study 
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love to share one of my 
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of Of my study in the best with 
magazine as they were asking me 

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for a summer photos, having like
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books and it's a trust. 
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a good photo in the library 
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requested in the private 
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government and universities to 
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I would take a photo and I 
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for But they told me that the 
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who were not letting us through 
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They told me that you are a 
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You are not allowed to go to the
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And I said, one thing for them 
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regret for myself because I 
know, if you stop my way, I will

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find another way to complete my 
ambition, but I think regret and

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sorry for you because you have 
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but you are not using that. 
If you are not letting me don't 

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worry, I have another way I will
find him to knowledge. 

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I hike and find another way to 
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So, for the girls right now, I 
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much as you can study study at 
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everything is which is available
it around. 

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You don't go to the thinking, 
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Don't think deeply about the 
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That, how will we do know in the
end based assay, she just hopes 

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to be able to give up. 
Is in Afghanistan, the privilege

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of Education. 
Something that she says she has 

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enjoyed. 
She believes that that's the 

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only solution to improving the 
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Now, the world Taliban in 
Afghanistan or misused around 

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the world. 
That whenever you see, you tell 

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Afghanistan, they will 
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Taliban in their minds. 
I want to adjust in, make the 

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Beauties in that image and tell 
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We are not. 
At that address, we are only 

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those who the common people. 
I mind. 

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I don't want to go to the 
politics, the common people or 

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just those people who want to 
see my country and letting comfy

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little compare it comparable 
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countries. 
Like my invasion of my life is 

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just half, just to serve the 
education part of my country 

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because I feel the only solution
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And I really thank All Indians, 
all those who are having parts 

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for making me right now. 
I would love to thank them from 

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the bottom of my heart. 
And I will tell that I will 

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never forget this one. 
If I could be part of my 

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country's history, I will not 
let the history to forget the 

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help of Indians while the black 
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I know, one day, this black time
will pass away and the bright 

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time will come to my country. 
yeah, I don't know I'm alive at 

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that stage or not but I would 
like to take part for bringing 

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that brightness for my 
education, for the education of 

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my country and for the all the 
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