1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Hello there and welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,560 hosted by two true planner pals. My name is Mark and I go by Mark 3 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:08,920 Your pages. And I'm Jess or Jessie Karen, 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,600 and today is like the Spotify Wrapped for the podcast. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,040 I think everybody's actual Spotify wraps are coming out on 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,080 the day we're recording this. I have not checked mine. 7 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:19,320 I am so eager to see who my top site artist is. 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,840 And I really hope that Ice Ice Baby isn't in my top five songs 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,880 this year, but also I'm kind of hoping it's there. 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,760 I'm hoping that Apple Music just follows suit because I switched 11 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,280 from Spotify to Apple Music because I'm already paying for 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,520 Apple Music and I don't get the same excitement that everybody 13 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,840 else does. I'm like it's I have ADHD, like 14 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,280 whatever is the top of my list gets listened to until I'm sick 15 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,920 of it. I can tell you what songs they 16 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,560 are. Yeah, literally I cuz I listen 17 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,160 to mine kind of in order of just like when it got added to my 18 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,080 playlist. So I find that once I have like 19 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,720 a song and then like the couple under it that I've been playing 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,280 on repeat, like those ones are just gonna be in the top five 21 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,640 because it's like I just go back to that one song and then the 22 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,360 next one just plays. And then the next one just plays 23 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,960 and I listen to them over and over again. 24 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,960 So we work exactly the same way. But today we're going to have a 25 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,640 little like look back on the podcast, how it went this year. 26 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,480 This notably was our first year doing the podcast, very 27 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,040 exciting. So we're going to be thinking 28 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,080 about what are like our highlight moments, what are the 29 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,080 topics we enjoyed maybe didn't so much? 30 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,880 And also, what is the future of the Planner Palace podcast? 31 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,640 Or maybe what we would hope it to be? 32 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,360 Absolutely. Well, I'll go ahead and start 33 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,160 today, Justin, just tell you that my very favorite thing that 34 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,960 we've done this year is actually start the podcast. 35 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,920 And this is something that, you know, as I was talking to you 36 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,520 earlier the year when I was talking you and into doing this 37 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,880 along with me, I just said, you know, I'd need something where 38 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,080 I'm bouncing off of somebody. Talking by myself about topics 39 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:39,840 is great. I can do that all day long. 40 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,240 But it's even better talking with someone else about it that 41 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,480 has similar views or slightly different views to what we have. 42 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,400 And also on top of that, and if anyone does not know, this just 43 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,960 is the type A to my type B brain where I'm like, yeah, let's do a 44 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,520 thing. And she's like great order 45 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,120 process planning. And I'm like, Oh yeah, we have 46 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,440 to, we have to do that. So, you know, aside from the 47 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,120 topic itself, which I'll talk about in a second, just starting 48 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,360 this all together was very exciting for me this year. 49 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,840 So just a big thank you to saying yes and also for being 50 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,840 you and being awesome. Thank you for having me. 51 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,120 Oh my God, It's been such a pleasure. 52 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,920 I was like, yeah, this is just my long running stint. 53 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:15,280 I'm like retiring. I'm not going to be here 54 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,840 anymore. And no one will listen. 55 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,360 Don't worry, you cannot get rid of me. 56 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,000 Well, good, because I need to have you here. 57 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,720 But yeah, I think my favorite episode was definitely the first 58 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,240 one, again, because we started it, but also we just talked 59 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,680 about why we planned. And as we found out this year, 60 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,520 doing this podcast together, you and I, while we do bullet 61 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,280 journal under the way that we do with the topics that we cover 62 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,720 are very, in some cases, vastly different, but also the same. 63 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,280 And we have different needs for it. 64 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,080 And so I found that to be a really great episode. 65 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,520 And also just reading through the people's comments on that as 66 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,360 well, whether it was, you know, in the comments of the actual 67 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,160 YouTube video where we posted it or in the comments of the 68 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,000 podcast itself where people are listening to it. 69 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,880 It's so cool just to understand like why we all do it because we 70 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,320 all have different needs. I really love hearing like 71 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,360 obviously what you're doing in yours because like you said, it 72 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,040 is quite different to how I do like in terms of professionally, 73 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,560 like you're at a quite different space than I am. 74 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,840 And given the fact that you primarily use your planning 75 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,520 system for that kind of like professional work and getting 76 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,240 yourself organized in that area of your life, it's quite 77 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,480 interesting to see like how our structures systems and then like 78 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,440 execution differs because of that. 79 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,200 And also it's just been really cool hearing from our community 80 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,200 and like, you know, what are they using? 81 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,560 What kind of systems have been really useful for them versus 82 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,560 the ones that we probably steer away from because we just don't 83 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,520 find they work for us? Like the easiest of biggest 1 is 84 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,480 probably the index. Like, you know, you have your 85 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,160 ride and die index fans and then you have me who's just like 86 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,840 brother, Nah, I'm not gonna like waste a page on that. 87 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,560 I think I'll number my notebook. And it's so interesting to me to 88 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,920 hear that thought process behind that because I was very much 89 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,040 like, if you're not using the index, you're not bullet driven. 90 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,600 Like that's a main feature function of it. 91 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,680 Like that's, it's the brain, that's how you do it. 92 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,720 But then when you shared you look, some of my notebooks are 93 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,800 already in chronological order, so I don't need to reference 94 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,640 them again because nothing happens in them that isn't 95 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,520 happening by that date. That made sense to me, so I was 96 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,960 able to be a bit more open to the the whole idea. 97 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,160 Yeah, I always like it when like, you know, thoughts and 98 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,520 opinions get kind of challenged, like, you know, and obviously a 99 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,680 friendly, positive kind of way. And that's what I kind of 100 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,520 appreciate about the podcast is like it's an opportunity to 101 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,920 explore other ideas from other people and ask questions in a 102 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,040 way that feels safe and community based because it's all 103 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,040 done with love. It's not like, you know, coming 104 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,880 in here pitchfork and torch blazing, saying you know well a 105 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,000 journal unless you're using a dark grade notebook or like 106 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,960 anything like that. Would it be such a fun podcast 107 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:33,080 if every time you came, you came with like your chainmail on 108 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,080 ready to fight me every episode on something because I'm like, 109 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,880 no matter what you do, Jess, it is wrong if it's not this way. 110 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,960 I think while it would be an interesting episode to have like 111 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,200 a hardcore purist on, I don't feel like that would make for 112 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,880 great conversation personally. Just be like us trying to 113 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,560 convince them that like maybe they're not quite right on this 114 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,440 and then just be like now or possibly not. 115 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,720 We might be able to convince them, depends on how set in 116 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,600 their ways they are. Yeah, absolutely. 117 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,560 All right, Jess, what about yourself? 118 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,560 What's one of your favorite episodes from this year? 119 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Topics. Honestly, I think one of my 120 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,360 favourites was literally like last episode because it was just 121 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,800 so much fun to record. I, I don't often think about the 122 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,360 things in my planner stash or like things that have left my 123 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,720 planner stash. A lot of the time that just 124 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,720 didn't really work out. And giving myself the 125 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,240 opportunity to kind of reflect on like, OK, well, like, maybe 126 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,680 why didn't they work out was something that I was kind of 127 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,920 thinking about after we recorded the episode. 128 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,160 And then getting a little bit more kind of thoughtful around, 129 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,240 OK, how are we gonna then take that energy into New Year and 130 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,440 make sure we're not accumulating stuff that we're probably just 131 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,640 not gonna use? Especially, you know, given the 132 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,320 line of work I'm in. I do get a lot of stuff from 133 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,600 people. And it's not to say that I wanna 134 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,240 like, you know, what's the word? Bite a horse in the face. 135 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,200 No lift a look and gift horse in the mouth. 136 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:48,520 Or bite the hand that feeds. It's all horse related. 137 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,200 Yeah, all of it is about horses. I'm not gonna kick the horse in 138 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,880 the face. I don't really want to be 139 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,000 bringing in things that I realistically, no, I'm just 140 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,280 gonna show off on camera, be like, oh, look, I got a thing 141 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,000 and then put it in the bucket. Like I don't want to do that. 142 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,680 So maybe something I can work on next year in terms of like 143 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,200 collaborating with brands and saying like, hey, love that you 144 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,160 want to work with me. But specifically could you send 145 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,560 me like that thing? Not this thing because I won't 146 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,200 use that one, but I might use that one. 147 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,840 It's really smart. I actually think that we should 148 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,560 do that like every six months. Because after that episode, all 149 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,880 the things that I had out, I started to use a little bit more 150 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,720 because I was like, Oh yeah, I have those and I should use them 151 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,680 a lot more. And when we were talking about 152 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,040 using the things you already have ever, you know, shopping 153 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,760 your own stash, I just keep reminding myself that I have 154 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,080 those. So a lot of the things I was 155 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,680 like, yeah, I don't really use them a lot. 156 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,400 I find myself now grabbing for those because, like, mentally 157 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,680 I've like, put them in front of my face literally again, as we 158 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,240 were talking through them. So if we just do that every six 159 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,600 months, I think we would all find new toys that we have in 160 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,440 our office that we like totally put away and just forgot about. 161 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,320 Yeah, just put all of those old bits and pieces on rotation so 162 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 that they actually get used in our systems, and then we don't 163 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,920 have to feel guilty about the fact that they're taking up 164 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,960 space in a drawer and not getting utilized at all. 165 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,760 I need to start doing that with my clothes too. 166 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,880 I realized that I wear very similar clothes all the time and 167 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,560 the other day I was like, I should literally just rotate 168 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,480 them. Like after I do laundry, put the 169 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,720 ones that were laundered in the very back and shift everything 170 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,360 forward and like force myself to wear things. 171 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,520 That's the same thing I feel like I kind of have to do with 172 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,120 some of my stationary. Sometimes it's just like rotate 173 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,800 it around a little bit and like put different pens in front of 174 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,640 my face so I see them more than the other ones. 175 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,880 I thankfully already have that system for my clothes because I 176 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,080 have 8 of this shirt and that's that's what I wear. 177 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,640 You and that minimalist wardrobe. 178 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,560 Yeah, just one less decision to make in my day so I can go and 179 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,680 agonize over where to place my sticker instead. 180 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,840 Did you have any other standout episodes that you really enjoyed 181 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,600 filming? Yeah, I think my favorite was 182 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,800 definitely the fountain pen episode because I love them so 183 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,880 much. And it was so cool to have the 184 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,440 conversations with everyone around why they do use them or 185 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,680 why they don't. And I had a number of people 186 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,320 that have reached out to me now this year that were like, you've 187 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,320 really worn me down on this in the the best way possible. 188 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,240 I bought my first fountain pen. That makes me really excited to 189 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,120 think that people are like listening and considering things 190 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,480 and trusting us also to like give them recommendations or 191 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,400 talk about those things. As I continue to grow my 192 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,000 collection, I'm finding that I'm thinking about it a bit 193 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,160 differently in a similar space where people were like here, 194 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,600 Mark, we want to send you these pens to try out, but yet they're 195 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,720 completely like so expensive and no one's actually going to buy 196 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,720 those things. Other people have offered 197 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,280 different recommendations for us too that are a lot less 198 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,160 expensive and I'm trying those out myself and realizing they're 199 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,640 kind of the same in a lot of different ways. 200 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,400 But I think just sharing the love for fountain pens, fountain 201 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,440 pen ink, being able to talk with you, someone who is not as 202 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,640 familiar with it was definitely fun because you know, I get to 203 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,960 share my knowledge with someone who is still curious about them 204 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,880 a little bit and now has one of their own as well. 205 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,720 And you know, we got to get that better into your rotation by 206 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,120 filling up with non green ink because you've had green ink in 207 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,640 it for way too long now. Jess, it is time to make a 208 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,640 change. But no, it's beautiful. 209 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:58,440 I'll never change. I did actually do a whole video 210 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,640 with my green ink pen though. It was just a members only video 211 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,880 so like only the members saw it. That's all. 212 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,720 That's all that needs to see it. As long as little baby girl Iris 213 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,600 is getting used, that is all we care about. 214 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,720 She's such a sweet lady. No, I mean, it was very exciting 215 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,240 getting my first fountain pen this year. 216 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Like, because, you know, you gave that to me as a gift, as a 217 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,320 celebration of our podcast, which I felt so bad for because 218 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,400 you, like, rocked up with a gift. 219 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,960 And I'm like, I am the present. Hello, it is me. 220 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,080 Well, you are. I mean, let's be honest about 221 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,000 it, Jess. Like if I really go back and 222 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,320 think about the hobbyist hangout, which I only did like 4 223 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,240 episodes a year on, I mean, one of the best episodes is when you 224 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,360 were a guest and we talked through it and that's really 225 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,560 kind of set that fire where everybody was like, you should 226 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:40,440 all do this more often. So you are the gift, you are the 227 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,760 present, you are the moment. That's all that matters. 228 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:44,400 I'll take it. Thank you. 229 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,960 Thank you so much Crown it. But no, I I really appreciated 230 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,040 the fact that we did actually get started on this. 231 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,520 I know that you already talked about it. 232 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,080 This is a throwback whatever, but it's just nice that like I'm 233 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,600 more I'm very much the kind of person who's always like adding 234 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,080 to the stuff that I'm doing. And sometimes when I add 235 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,480 something, it just like it feels like a big energy suck, like, 236 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,200 you know, just way too much work put in, not enough payoff, 237 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,160 anything like that. This has not been one of those 238 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,560 things which has been so lovely because oftentimes, you know, 239 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:14,400 when I experiment with stuff, it's like, Oh yeah, we bring it 240 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,160 around for a season and it's like, OK, that didn't really 241 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,160 work out. We're not going to stick with 242 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:17,680 it. It's fine. 243 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:19,760 But I still appreciate the trial and error. 244 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,720 But it's just been really nice to have, especially as somebody 245 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,600 who works by themselves for themselves, One man band, 246 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,200 somebody else. I have part of my system that is 247 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,000 with somebody else. Yeah, it's a lot of that give 248 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,840 and take that happens and you know, behind the scenes of this 249 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,320 as well. I feel like we've worked out a 250 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,960 really good partnership around like how we do things and how we 251 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,600 function and using our expertise as well to make that happen. 252 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,480 So I think that's what makes a good, you know, business partner 253 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,280 relationship is great. You need someone that kind of 254 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,640 balances you out, which I feel like we do for each other very 255 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,400 much so, But then also like playing to the strengths and how 256 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,640 it works out too. So it's been pretty awesome. 257 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Yes, and Mark has certainly learned a lot about my editing 258 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,400 style and if he leaves the breath noise in, I will 259 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,880 excommunicado him and. This is again behind the scenes 260 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,720 stuff here for you all for this last episode. 261 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,480 So every time we edit this, I send Jess, you know, a version 262 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,640 of it to listen to, to watch. And when we first started, 263 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,800 actually, I need to find my notebook for the episode. 264 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,480 I would get this like this page of like all these things to pull 265 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,680 out. And I was like, it's like a 266 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:20,840 millisecond of a breath, like, come on, you know, like I was 267 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,760 just like, OK, you know, as we got used to it. 268 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,240 And then after probably the 3rd or 4th episode, I was like, just 269 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,640 doesn't like breathing. She doesn't like any, any 270 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,240 silence, nothing like that. And my favorite part was maybe 3 271 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,440 or 4 episodes ago, I'd sent it over to you and you wrote back, 272 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,640 no edits. And I, it was the proudest 273 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,840 moment of the year for me because I was like, yes, I 274 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,440 figured it out. No, I got it. 275 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,800 This is amazing. But it's, it is, it's very cool. 276 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,480 But I think that's the also the really fun part of doing this is 277 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,640 that you get so used to your own workflow. 278 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,880 And when you add somebody into that, it could potentially kind 279 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,680 of tip the boat. I think very often about like, 280 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,920 would I get an editor for my own videos and stuff? 281 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,000 Like, gosh, how much time would that save me? 282 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,320 But then I just feel like that would be, you know, you're 283 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,760 adding someone into your workflow that may or may not 284 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,720 work out. Luckily for us, it feels like 285 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,680 it's working out OK, but at the same time it's like, what if it 286 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,680 didn't like that could go a very different way. 287 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:21,520 So it's it's been a fun exercise to think of getting to work with 288 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,080 people, like you said, for two people who for the most part 289 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,320 work on their own or virtually or from a remote standpoint. 290 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,720 It's definitely a learning curve, but a very positive. 291 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,560 One though, yeah, I'm glad it did workout. 292 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:35,000 Otherwise, it's like, you know, I send back my oh God, it was so 293 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,200 funny when I was doing the edits, like, you know, that 294 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,280 first episode I was talking to my partner vocal saying like, Oh 295 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,840 yeah, I just sent Mark back a couple of edits and he looks and 296 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,320 he's like, was a couple or did you send him back homework? 297 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,720 I'm like, it might have been homework, I'm sorry. 298 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,280 And he comes around and looks at my computer. 299 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,440 He's like, Jess, what the heck? Just like this page of just 300 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,320 like, you know, from this time stamp to this time stamp trim, 301 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,920 from this time stamp to this time stamp, make it Mark solo 302 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,640 mode, just the whole thing. I very much appreciate that you 303 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,880 took the feedback in stride. It wasn't just like a wow, Jess 304 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,360 is a persnickety bitch and this is not what I'm going to be 305 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,640 doing. When you graduate from a biscuit 306 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,520 to a bitch, it really. Exactly. 307 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,280 That's right. This gets a cute. 308 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,360 This gets a fine. If you're going to be the other 309 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,040 B word, it means that you're just you're gone too hard and 310 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,840 you need to calm down. Yeah, no, it's definitely fun to 311 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,560 do and I'm excited for for next year as well. 312 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:27,040 But before we get to even talk about that, were there any 313 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,160 episodes or topics just that maybe you did not feel like you 314 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,760 loved as much? Not that they weren't great 315 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,160 episodes or great feedback, but I mean that you just kind of 316 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,960 like, I don't know. I think it's probably not like a 317 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,800 full episode, but there is a topic that I always get very 318 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,080 attentative about talking about. And I think it's just because my 319 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,560 views on the topic don't necessarily align with what the 320 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:49,240 most common commenter will say, you know, if that kind of makes 321 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,040 sense. Like if I start talking about 322 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,160 this topic, I feel like I can already see it in my head. 323 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,440 The most common commenter is going to tell me XYZ. 324 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,920 And that would always be around the topic of AI generated art. 325 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,120 And now before you cancel me, all right, please come back. 326 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,240 Oh my God. But because I like, I understand 327 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,680 that it has been trained on other people's work, not OK 328 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,920 without their permission, not OK, right. 329 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,360 But I also think that it's a really great tool and has really 330 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,600 great potential. I think that it could be really 331 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,840 great for people who are already doing art in that that kind of 332 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,280 style, because it has a typical style. 333 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,240 People who are already doing art in that typical style is like a 334 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,720 really good way to like get a base image or generate ideas or 335 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,760 anything like that. If you're the kind of person who 336 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,920 doesn't already do art in that style, it really opens up the 337 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,560 ability to do creative work like that without having to skill. 338 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,320 And that's not to say that I'm trying to like discredit the 339 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,880 people who have put their time, effort, energy into upscaling 340 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,680 that because like, Oh my God, you do such amazing work. 341 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,480 You should be so proud of it. And you can create things so 342 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,920 much better than the generator can anyway. 343 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,320 But I do think that by having those tools available to what 344 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,880 I'm going to call the common person, AKA me, who does not 345 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,440 have those kind of creative skills, it doesn't mean that we 346 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,600 can start to create things that align with like, specifically 347 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,920 what we want to see in the picture without having to like, 348 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,240 custom Commission pace from somebody. 349 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,840 Yeah, again, now, now I'm going to get canceled because it's 350 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,240 like, oh, you're stealing work from artists. 351 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:16,680 That's not what I'm trying to do here. 352 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,120 I just think it's a really good tool that can like really help 353 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 us overcome things like skill barriers and stuff like that. 354 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,400 Well, I think AI is one of those things, like any type of thing 355 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,560 that can be a little dangerous, like when used responsibly. 356 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,800 And as a person that comes from a background, I'm classically 357 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,960 trained in graphic design and digital design. 358 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,240 I mean, we have these conversations all the time at 359 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,400 work about it. And especially for someone like 360 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,160 myself who who you know, went to school for this, I've learned 361 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,240 Photoshop and Illustrator and how to do all of that work. 362 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,400 I'll tell you, I personally love the shortcuts when you can get 363 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,920 there. I do believe that you should 364 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,680 have at least an understanding of how it works. 365 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,000 I don't think you need 4 years of education to understand it, 366 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,960 but I do think that you need to have a general respect for it 367 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,880 before you can start to do that. And a great example of this for 368 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,160 me and some people might take me down for it, is a lot of people 369 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,400 in design space don't like people using Canva because Canva 370 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,120 essentially going to gives you everything you need to kind of 371 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,680 do it quickly and easily when other people are spending hours 372 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,040 and their life is literally designed. 373 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,960 I use Canva. I don't use any of the Adobe 374 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,720 products at home because they are incredibly expensive for me 375 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,400 to use and just not in my budget for what is essentially a hobby 376 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,440 for me. So that's a really great and 377 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,360 easy way for me not to pay a lot of money, but get a lot of those 378 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,760 features that I can use. And it's helps me out across the 379 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,080 board. It helps me find B roll easily. 380 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,560 And it's not necessarily the AI part of this, you know, I'm kind 381 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,480 of going in a little bit of a different way with this, but I 382 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,280 kind of see them as one and the same where you can say, well, AI 383 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,000 is helping you create shortcuts to help you do things easier or 384 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,480 better. I mean, technically, I mean, 385 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,840 Canva does have AI, so I could use it if I wanted to, but I 386 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,440 don't always find the need for it. 387 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,080 I haven't found the need for it yet. 388 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,040 But I think some of it also is just, you know, how do you kind 389 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,480 of cut down on kind of the remedial type of task so that 390 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,000 you can focus on the things where you can really spend that 391 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,960 creative juices on. So whether it be, you know, 392 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,359 using AI as a way to generate outlines or ideas, I mean, you 393 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,599 still have to put your own emotion into that. 394 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:17,319 You still have to put your own thoughts and experience into 395 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:18,560 that. You can't just let it be out on 396 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,560 its own personal thoughts here. But I do think that it is a 397 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,079 powerful thing, but it gets very Gray and very hard. 398 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,800 It's like you said, when it's learning from other artists and 399 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,120 pulling them in and then generating something for 400 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:33,120 somebody else that didn't have to put all that time and effort 401 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:34,800 into it. So I definitely know what you 402 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,000 mean. Yeah, it's the kind of thing, 403 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,360 like I had the risk of sounding like the scientists from 404 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:40,920 Jurassic Park or something. It's like, oh, you spend so much 405 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,120 time thinking about the way you could, you shouldn't, you know, 406 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,680 should have thought about whether you should or something 407 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,440 like that. I need to go back and rewatch 408 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,560 that. But anyway, side note, yeah, I 409 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,360 think it's just it's a way to help speed yourself up. 410 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,680 It's a way to help like cut down on costs and all this kind of 411 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,560 thing. So I can understand why by 412 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,080 common person sitting at home working in their journal, I just 413 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,680 want to jump on an AI tool, generate some art so they can 414 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:02,920 print it off and stick it in their journal. 415 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Like go forth it it gets a little bit different when you 416 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,000 have people who are like, you know, making these AI generator 417 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,040 pieces and then selling them as if they were not AI generated 418 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,280 because that feels disingenuous. Like that's different. 419 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Like, you know, if we're thinking about writing, it would 420 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,400 be the equivalent of saying like, hey, ChatGPT, write me a 421 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,240 book and then like going and selling that, which I I'd be 422 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,320 interested to read the book because I feel like it would 423 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,160 probably be a bit of a wild ride, but it certainly would 424 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,240 have better spelling and grammar than my book would have. 425 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,160 So. One of my favorite things my 426 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,120 favorite writer slash I call him like a writer committee and 427 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:34,400 David Sedaris. I go and see him all the time. 428 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,240 His book Naked was actually the very first book I ever read for 429 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,040 fun and I've absolutely loved him. 430 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,800 And at one of his last talks that he did where he reads 431 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,000 through like his books, his journals, he actually asked AI 432 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,400 to write something in the style of David Sedaris. 433 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,240 And then he read it. And it's so funny because you 434 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,840 have like this author has published so much and done so 435 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,160 many amazing things and then a get AI just to write it and for 436 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,560 him to read it raw off of there. It has like touches of it, but 437 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,040 it's not fully him. And I love when he goes and like 438 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,720 actually critiques ChatGPT or whatever he's using to write it 439 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,280 because you're just like, see, This is why it's crap because it 440 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,280 can't even do something as simple as, you know, comedy, 441 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,480 satire, right? You know, it just it works out. 442 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,280 It's hilarious. I think that's The thing is like 443 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,400 you can train these things, but to actually get specifically 444 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,680 what you want, like, you know, very, very particularly what you 445 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,880 want, whether that's writing or art or whatever. 446 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,240 Usually there does have to be a little bit of kind of like, you 447 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,680 know, user LED input in that. But if you want just like, you 448 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,960 know, simple base case, something that's a bit general 449 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,880 generic kind of a thing and you want it quickly and time 450 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,560 effectively, then it's pretty damn good. 451 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,200 What would be a either episode or topic that wasn't really your 452 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,760 favorite from the year? This is what I think that might 453 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,960 surprise people because it was a topic that was basically geared 454 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,840 towards me, which was our where them boys at episode talking 455 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,760 about other guys in the planner community. 456 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,040 And it's a great topic and I love it because I always love 457 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,160 discovering and finding other creators in this space. 458 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,360 And the handful that did reach out to us and they were like, 459 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,360 I'm a guy and I created over here. 460 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,400 It was cool to like discover them and do that. 461 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,400 But I think for myself personally, I feel like almost 462 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,160 like I think. Exhausted that topic for myself 463 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,400 because early on it was kind of the only topic that I was 464 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,120 focused on, especially when I started Men who bullet 465 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:25,800 originally was really focused on that and it was where the guys 466 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,120 in the community and let's promote the guys and like do 467 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,080 that. And then I just came to really 468 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:35,000 understand that it's not about male, female guy, girls, you 469 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,680 know, any type of gender or anything on that type of thing. 470 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,560 It's just more about the style in which we like to do it and 471 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,440 how we use our journals and planners. 472 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,120 And I think over the years I've uncovered that where I've just 473 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,000 come to realize that it doesn't matter. 474 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,360 You know your sex or you know how you identify, but more how 475 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:54,080 do you like to express yourself in your journal? 476 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,400 What styles of design do you like to use? 477 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,280 What materials do you like to use? 478 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,160 It's always a great conversation. 479 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,960 And I think what always comes out of those conversations are 480 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,600 people that say I'm not X or Y and I still like this type of 481 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,720 planning on. That point though, because I 482 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,080 think that one of the things that's come up a couple of Times 483 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,680 Now episodes throughout the year is the idea of like, how do we 484 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,080 describe things when we're so maybe like trained, I guess is 485 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,520 the right way. We're so trained to describe 486 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,440 things as feminine or masculine. And because we've done it for so 487 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,120 many years, it's really hard to break away from that pattern. 488 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,520 And I thought it was really great that we had one commenter 489 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,080 in particular because like, I can't remember which episode it 490 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,880 was, recent episode where you kind of posed the question of 491 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,280 like, I don't know how to describe this. 492 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,120 Like, what's your advice type of a thing? 493 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,040 And they had responded back, which was really great. 494 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,480 See, love our community. We love our planet pals that 495 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,880 help us, help us out. So they had said rather than 496 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,720 using terms like masculine and feminine and stuff like that, 497 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,360 just go towards ones that are more kind of like aligned with 498 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,160 like brand descriptors. So it's like, Oh yeah, that's 499 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,360 like Sailor Moon esque or something like that. 500 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,560 Or use words that are kind of based around like specifically 501 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,200 what the style elements are. So it's like instead of I don't 502 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840 like feminine, it's like I don't like floral or something like 503 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,280 that. Because, you know, florals are 504 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,320 stereotypically mad quotation marks for anybody who's just 505 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,920 audio mad quotation marks, stereotypically feminine. 506 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,680 So it was kind of cool to get that feedback from them and 507 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,400 start thinking about, you know, different areas in my life 508 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,800 personally. You know, what am I kind of 509 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,880 putting in male female camp that doesn't necessarily need to be 510 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,640 there. And by putting it in male female 511 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,920 camp, I'm like limiting the availability of enjoyment to 512 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,800 those things for people who don't identify in those ways. 513 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,520 So that was just a really cool point. 514 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,440 I know we're not talking about the things that we like from the 515 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,480 year, but I really appreciated that. 516 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,880 Well, though it's a really great example to that starts a 517 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,320 conversation around like, how are we doing that? 518 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,680 I think what you just described just right there was perfect 519 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,200 because I think a lot of us do that. 520 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,720 I know I do that because you're right. 521 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,880 We're going to train from kids just to think about it that way. 522 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,240 And what I've discovered over the years, like I kind of just 523 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,120 said, is that it doesn't really matter. 524 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,800 You have styles of things that you like. 525 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,120 So I like your point there. Let's describe them as styles or 526 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,280 as themes, not, oh, this would be for a guy or this would be 527 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,560 for a girl or whatever that might be. 528 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,880 I think that it's just very much let's just approach it is I like 529 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,600 this or I don't personally like this and explain why because 530 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,640 most of the time it doesn't have to do with whoever is leaning 531 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,560 towards let's do with your own personal taste. 532 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,160 Yeah, I think that even like I've, I've talked about this a 533 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,080 couple of times, not so much on the podcast, but just in 534 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,280 general, is that when you when you're growing up and you get 535 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,600 into that point of like, I'm not like other girls. 536 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:29,840 I'm sure you had that moment, Mark. 537 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,160 I'm not like other girls. Exactly. 538 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,600 And you, you get to this point of view, you're like, I don't 539 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,560 like pink because pink is a girly color. 540 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,120 And now I look back on it, I'm like, Oh my God, you're so 541 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,440 fucking cringe. Like you're allowed to enjoy 542 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,160 pink, Just enjoy things. So now I've actually gone back 543 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,720 and realized that so many of my start of journal setups are pink 544 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,760 themes. I don't know how that happened 545 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,680 but it just turned out that way and I'm like you know what? 546 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,560 Loving it vibes. It works out. 547 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,440 I mean, I think for me, everyone gets on me at work and here at 548 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,840 home because the things that I give them are a lot of times 549 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,320 like pink purples, pastels, just just colors and things that I 550 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,280 just would not normally use inside of my own planner and 551 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,800 journals. And I was like, why aren't you 552 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,400 going to use these? I was like, I just don't like 553 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,440 those colors. Like it just doesn't go with 554 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,440 like what I like to do. So I have a hard time with a lot 555 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,640 of those colors. So if I did use them, I'd have 556 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,040 no idea. And maybe that would make things 557 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,160 more interesting. I don't know. 558 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,720 But I like to keep it pretty basic. 559 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,200 I know what colors I like to use. 560 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,600 I know, you know, I've definitely found my style, my 561 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,560 look. I think a great example of that 562 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,240 is like Eric small things. Think most people would see that 563 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:36,080 and be like, oh, that isn't like a masculine guy's kind of 564 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,040 design. I freaking love it. 565 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,240 I can't get enough of it. I have an obsession, but it's 566 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,800 just something about that just works for me the same way that 567 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,320 some florals may work for other people that just really enjoy 568 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,640 that look for their general and their general aesthetic. 569 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,200 Maybe you don't like clean lines, you like curvy lines. 570 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,240 That's totally OK. So yeah, I think just from a 571 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,720 topic standpoint, like I said, I think that it's good to call out 572 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,000 and like celebrate different people in the community. 573 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,280 But I think the long term conversation of that is that it 574 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,200 doesn't matter. Like we're all planner pals at 575 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,360 the end of the day. Let's find things that we have 576 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:12,880 in common. Let's share what we love and 577 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,560 maybe you don't side with somebody on the way that they do 578 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,320 their deal. Well, we can still respect what 579 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,680 they're doing, just we don't have to adopt it ourselves and 580 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,240 that's totally OK. Yeah, I think that like having 581 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,880 community call outs and stuff is something that I really I enjoy. 582 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,200 I enjoy getting to like, you know, showcase people who are 583 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,920 doing well, but I just want it to be kind of like people who 584 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,480 are doing well. I don't want to just like kind 585 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,040 of cut off the majority of the people that I could be giving a 586 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,640 shout out to because I've decided to like, you know, only 587 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,920 focus on people in this very specific box. 588 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,280 Not saying that our planet guys aren't valued because they 589 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,920 definitely and certainly are. And it was nice to get to shout 590 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,760 them out and also just highlight the fact that I don't follow 591 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,480 like any any planner guys at all. 592 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,840 I do now though. After that episode, I do. 593 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,600 That's all you need to do. You know, we, we found more, we 594 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,480 shared more. That's what this whole thing is, 595 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,400 is all about. Were there any other topics just 596 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,840 that you felt like you weren't vibing with or anything else 597 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,160 Wanted to call out before we start talking about the future. 598 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,400 I think that our episode on community versus competition was 599 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,440 like an important thing to talk about, and I do value talking 600 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,680 about it. And I think that it's, you know, 601 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,720 a valid topic, but I also wonder if maybe that topic specifically 602 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720 would have been better for several ago. 603 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,640 Like I think that that was more of an issue in our community 604 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,320 back in 20/20/2019 kind of thing. 605 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,760 Whereas nowadays, because people are a little bit more 606 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,080 established and we have what I'm going to say just like better 607 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,680 community role models. Possibly. 608 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,120 Like that has probably influenced the fact that we 609 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,760 don't see, or at least I don't personally see as much of the 610 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,720 kind of like art theft in the community or anything like that. 611 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,440 Or people who are like, you know, taking ideas from other 612 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,920 people and not giving credit or feeling like they have to one up 613 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,760 somebody constantly. And it's like all about the 614 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,800 views and the numbers and rah, rah, rah and stuff like this. 615 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,080 And it's not to say that like it's not about views and numbers 616 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,200 because I live on social media. It's my thing. 617 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,960 So there's obviously going to be some part of it that is kind of 618 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,560 analytically based and thinking about like, OK, if I put out 619 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,360 this topic, will that actually do well? 620 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,000 If I put out a video about this topic, probably won't do as 621 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,720 well. But you just kind of think about 622 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,480 like for those pieces of media, what is the purpose? 623 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,080 Am I trying to grow an audience or am I trying to deepen 624 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,280 community in that respect? And I think that most people who 625 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,360 are sharing online now, but that's not to say everybody, but 626 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,360 I feel like the most people who are sharing online now, they're 627 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:29,360 not necessarily as worried about the kind of competitive aspect 628 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,400 of sharing online, if that makes sense. 629 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,760 I think it makes total sense and I think that it was a good topic 630 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520 from a standpoint that it probably does exist. 631 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,280 I think about this a lot for us because we've been in the game 632 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,280 for a while and you know, you just hit some major milestones 633 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,480 on YouTube, for instance, right? And you know, I'm growing in my 634 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,520 accounts as well. And I think like we've kind of 635 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,920 matured as we've gone through. But I actually completely agree 636 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,640 with you and I love what you said, that maybe we have better 637 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,280 role models in the community now than we had previously. 638 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,840 And I feel like that could be kind of two parts in that. 639 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,440 I think 1 is that in 2019, 2018-2019, old journaling for us 640 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,400 specifically was really taking off and so there was a lot more 641 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,360 people creating to. You were trying to find ways to 642 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,600 make make yourself stand out a little bit more and do that. 643 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,760 There was a lot of negativity and toxicity in that as well 644 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,520 because like you just said, when you have people stealing ideas 645 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,520 or not giving other people props for what they're doing because 646 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,720 they don't want people to go and see them instead of viewing your 647 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,960 content, I don't really see that anymore. 648 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,120 But I think it's also because some of those people have burned 649 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,200 out. They're no longer here and that 650 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,440 burnout that honestly probably happened from like pushing so 651 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,480 hard for all of that time to do that versus I personally feel 652 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,360 like you and I and some other creators that are still around 653 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,000 and still creating and doing that, while we may put pressure 654 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,760 on ourselves, it's in a healthy way most of the time. 655 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,280 Or at least this is for me personally. 656 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:53,680 I'd love to hear your thought on this too. 657 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,280 But the pressure I put on myself now is more about having fun and 658 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,200 sharing. I'm not worried about a 659 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,120 perfectly curated feed like I was before. 660 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,040 I'm just here to share what I love about journaling and 661 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,240 stationary and, and just get that love out there. 662 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,520 And I want to attract the people that are in that same space. 663 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,000 I want to educate, I want to teach, I want to share, but I'm 664 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,800 not trying to compete against you or anyone else to do that. 665 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,880 I very much respect what you do. And while we may have some 666 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,280 overlapping topics and ideas, the way you present your 667 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,120 information is so much different than the way that I present it. 668 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,000 And I think people appreciate that. 669 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,880 Yeah, so you don't want me to get into fountain pens? 670 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,320 I'll steal your thing. And people would love you for 671 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,440 it, and you would I would. They just flush me right down 672 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,080 the drain. Don't worry, you are not at 673 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,640 risk. I'm not, I'm not starting a 674 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,120 fountain pen buying habit. It's not happening. 675 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:47,640 But I wonder also if maybe maybe my kind of view on that topic 676 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,160 specifically is dictated by the fact that we are, like you said, 677 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,760 kind of like more matured in this space. 678 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,720 Like we've been at it for a hot minute. 679 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,640 We've, you know, established our own style. 680 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,080 We have our own way of doing things, both in terms of like 681 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,640 our journaling and then creating that and then also our video 682 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,000 making and creating with that. And I wonder if it's just like, 683 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,200 I don't see the competitive aspect as much anymore because 684 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,120 I've kind of gotten comfortable in that creating space. 685 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,560 Maybe that's like part of it. It could be that and also 686 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,600 Instagram and YouTube and all the other social medias have 687 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,440 changed over the years as well. The algorithms have changed. 688 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,680 You don't. Honestly. 689 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,520 I personally don't feel like I see as many people's content as 690 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,560 I used to. I used to follow a specific 691 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,920 hashtag so I could catch their content, and now Instagram did 692 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,640 away with #followings I. Know I'm so annoyed but also 693 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,360 like fair because I followed bullet journal weekly and they 694 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,960 weren't weeklies and I would get very irritated and then I would 695 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,200 literally be the same person who's using hashtag bullet 696 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,840 journal weekly on a page that is definitely a monthly log. 697 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,240 So like pot kettle black. Yes it is I but still 698 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,440 frustrating. It is. 699 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,200 And so because of all of that change, and I think too, we also 700 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,120 saw a lot of content creators have to change when it came to 701 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,720 how they create their content. I mean, the introduction of 702 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,520 TikTok and shorts and reels and all of that. 703 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,680 I mean, I remember when that all started to come out, I fully 704 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,440 embraced it because I thought finally, like I can do stuff 705 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,240 that I really like, not just take these top down pictures 706 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,840 that are perfectly curated every single time. 707 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,440 Like I can start having fun with this, but others. 708 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,360 And I would put you into that boat. 709 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,720 I knew you hated it. I think you still probably hate 710 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,040 it to a certain extent, but yet you put out these viral reels 711 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,960 that get millions of views and you're like, I still hate this. 712 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,360 That it's just like, I don't care how many followers I got 713 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,800 from this stupid video, I'm not making another one. 714 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,960 Like oh gosh, yeah. I think that the introduction of 715 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,200 TikTok S style videos and whatnot certainly did change it 716 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,880 for a lot of people. And I I just miss static 717 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,400 pictures and carousels. Like that's where where 718 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,280 Instagram was at its prime for me. 719 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,680 And now all I watch are silly little videos that aren't even 720 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,600 related to journaling on there, despite following only 721 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,960 journaling accounts. Yeah. 722 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,640 I think it fully falls into just how the social media platforms 723 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,760 them, how themselves have changed. 724 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,200 And so I think those who can ride that wave and kind of go 725 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,960 along with it and stay relevant, those are the ones who are going 726 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,040 to survive. The others that just kind of 727 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,880 can't keep up with all of the things that they feel like we're 728 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,640 expected of them to kind of hold up that front and that's why 729 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,080 they start to kind of dwindle away. 730 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,760 And and I'm always sad to see when that happens. 731 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,760 I hate when a favorite creator just says not doing this 732 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,280 anymore. It makes me very sad. 733 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,440 But I think behind all of that, and the only person that I've 734 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,520 seen that with this year is because of a personal 735 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,760 relationship. Nicole over her plans that 736 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,800 blossom, like she just said, not enjoying this anymore. 737 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,160 It's not fun for me anymore. It's causing more me more stress 738 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,720 to have to think of something to create to then put it online, 739 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,160 like just not, I'm just not going to do it anymore. 740 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,200 And I was that because I love her work and she was, you know, 741 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,080 one of the first major inspirations for me and a person 742 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200 that I collaborated with early on. 743 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,440 But the good thing is, is we actually built a friendship and 744 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,480 a relationship and we still chalk. 745 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,480 It's not just about journaling a bullet journaling anymore. 746 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640 It's about lives and what's going on. 747 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,160 So I think you know, when you can create friends on this 748 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,720 platform as well, it also does away with any of the competition 749 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,160 because then you get to know people for who they really are 750 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,680 and it doesn't become competitive at all. 751 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,320 Yeah, it feels a little bit more shitty stealing off a pier. 752 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,280 Well, it does. Especially people you like very 753 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,440 much respect. Like, you're just like, no, 754 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,760 like, I can't do that to my friend. 755 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,560 Maybe I could do that to a stranger, you know, or something 756 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,240 on the side or whatever. But yeah, when you have a 757 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,800 personal relationship or a community that is very much 758 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,760 behind you, like you build those morals into what you do and your 759 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,800 people, and you want to see that reflected. 760 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,880 So I think you're exactly right. I'm just getting flashbacks of 761 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,800 those, like 2000s DVDs. Like you wouldn't steal a car. 762 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,400 Oh my goodness. Like I might. 763 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,040 In this economy, I might. Yeah at this point now yes I 764 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,040 will copy everyone's everything just to get it done faster. 765 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,880 ChatGPT create a YouTube video in the form of Jashi Currans and 766 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,239 give me all the B roll and weird hands and just go and publish 767 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,199 that for me. Thanks. 768 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,400 And make the videos and make the channel. 769 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,520 Thank you so much. Yeah, you can also copy her 770 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,719 voice. That's actually something. 771 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,199 Jess, I didn't talk to you about this just yet, but I'll bring it 772 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,400 up because we're right here. One of the new features on the 773 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,920 platform that we use for this allows us to train an AI voice 774 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,840 for the podcast. And I half of me is like, that 775 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,800 would be kind of funny, but half of me is like, that's getting 776 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,400 too scary and I won't do it. I don't know, I'm kind of 777 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,880 tempted. Like we'll just have an episode 778 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,000 next year. Yeah, we'll we'll do this for 779 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,000 next year, right. We'll lead into that 780 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,320 conversation next year. Where's the podcast going? 781 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,760 And it's just, like fully typed up and talked by Robo Voice. 782 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,920 Hello. Welcome to the Planner Pals 783 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,400 podcast, posted by Mark. Or it would be like a really bad 784 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,720 like Australia, New Zealand mixed accent of AI trying to 785 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,200 replicate what you do. Get a mate. 786 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,440 Welcome back to the Plan of Pals podcast. 787 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,040 I'm like, no. I don't want to know. 788 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,080 Like please create a male American voice that likes to 789 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,120 talk about journals and stationary. 790 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,560 I'm not even going to try to intimidate that one. 791 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,200 Intimidate, interpret, imitate, imitate. 792 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,560 We're living that in. I don't care. 793 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,920 That would get us cancelled I. Need that. 794 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,120 All right, So we're not going to do AI voices of next year, but 795 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,400 we've had a few discussions and let's just, you know, lay it all 796 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,760 out now, what are some stuff just that that the planner pals 797 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,400 can expect for next year from us? 798 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,240 I think that next year is going to be when we start to dabble 799 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,200 with interviews, which I'm very excited about because obviously 800 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,560 like we get to run our mouths with each other every two weeks, 801 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,440 which I love and appreciate. But it would also be really cool 802 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,680 to hear from other planner pals, other people in our community 803 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,560 and how they plan what they're doing, because their systems are 804 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,960 definitely going to be different to ours and it'll be really cool 805 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,840 to get their insights on the podcast. 806 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,320 That'd be something I'd be very excited to have. 807 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,880 I'm actually really excited about that as well because with 808 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,280 the hobbyist hang out, that was kind of what I thought I was 809 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,840 going to do. And part of me from like a 810 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,280 planning perspective on this is excited for that too. 811 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,360 I just know that it's a lot of work to try to get people and 812 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,880 times like not only do you and I have to figure out times on 813 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,000 opposite ends of the world and time zones, let's go ahead and 814 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,400 throw a third person in there and who knows where they live or 815 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,280 what they do and it'll be all kinds of interesting. 816 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,800 So I think that'll be really neat. 817 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,320 It'll also be very fun from an editing perspective. 818 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,040 You know, like how we, how do we make three things? 819 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,160 The list that Jess will send me will now go from, you know, 1 to 820 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,000 55. Again, I'm going to need your 821 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200 partner to just be there as a buffer. 822 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,520 Jessica, you can't make him do this much work. 823 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,200 My buddy has to. It needs to be cut. 824 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,720 I'm the president, I'm the moment. 825 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:51,800 He's the editor. That's. 826 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,480 Right, no notice. I can't wait. 827 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,080 No, it'll be really great. The other thing that Jess and I 828 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,360 have been talking about too, we already try to find ways to do 829 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,920 this, but we want to do it more is to include more of the 830 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640 planner pals into the things that we talk about. 831 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,880 Now, while we do ask for your ideas and especially asking for 832 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,800 feedback and input and things like that, we want to know what 833 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,360 you want to talk about as well. What topics are on your mind. 834 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,160 So our question for you this week are really asking you, not 835 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,600 really a question, but to have you reply, let us know would be 836 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,120 what kind of topics are you interested in us talking about 837 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,040 in Season 2? I'm very excited to start 838 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,120 titling everything Season 2 Episode 1. 839 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,080 As we get into that and even as we've talked about potential 840 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,240 interviews and things like that too, are there topics and people 841 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,160 that you would like to hear from as well? 842 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,200 Let us know, make sure you reach out, comment on the videos. 843 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,560 You can always send us emails, Planner Pals, podcast@gmail.com, 844 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,600 comment on the Instagram Planner Pals podcast. 845 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,960 There'll be so many different ways that you can just let us 846 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,120 know what's going on and then we can consider that into this new 847 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,080 year that we literally will be going into when this episode 848 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,840 releases. You will already be in 2025. 849 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,000 I will be at the end of 2024. We are right here, on the cusp 850 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,240 of all this new exciting stuff. Oh my gosh, I'm actually so 851 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,000 excited for next year. It's going to be, I already know 852 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,560 it's going to be amazing. And that's because we're going 853 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,800 to make it amazing, right? This year has been great, like, 854 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,400 you know, kicking off the podcast, getting our community 855 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,560 growth and like, you know, having other planner pals 856 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,720 connect with us. It's just been so much fun. 857 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,280 And I'm really excited to continue that both with you, 858 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,120 Mark, and also with our planner pals. 859 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,160 For today, though, thanks for watching.