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Hello and welcome to the Planner
Palace Podcast, a podcast hosted

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by two true planner pals. 
My name is Spark and I go by 

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Mark Your pages. 
And I'm Jess or Jessica Ren and 

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in this episode, I feel like 
this episode is like just for 

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Mark really. 
Because honestly, I feel like 

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you have more of a what's the 
word? 

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What's the word that I can put 
as nicely. 

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You are more of a persnickety 
biscuit when it comes to pens 

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than I am. 
But that is what we're going to 

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be talking about today. 
Our favorite pens, our write or 

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dies, where they write or dies. 
I know we've talked about this 

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before. 
I don't know the terminology. 

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I shouldn't use it, but I'm 
going to keep doing it. 

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But we do have pens. 
We are always picking up. 

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They're the ones that as soon as
we need one, it's going to be 

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the default. 
And if it broke, we would 

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replace it. 
If it runs out, we would replace

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it. 
I always find that that's a 

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really good measure for whether 
something's your favorite. 

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Like if I did not have this but 
I knew about it, would I get it 

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again? 
In this episode, it's not just 

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for me because we're talking 
more than just fountain pens, 

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even though I would love to do 
another fountain pen episode. 

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But this are just, you know, 
kind of the pens, like you said,

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that we're going for and loving.
And the hope really is maybe to 

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introduce you to something that 
you don't know about. 

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But I really honestly feel like 
this is an episode for the 

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planter pals because we are all 
persnickety biscuits when we 

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come to our pens. 
You know, the one thing that I 

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don't hold back against now, 
especially as I've gotten more 

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into fountain pens and inks, is 
the color because there are 

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certain people, people who will 
not use a blue pen no matter 

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what. 
It is only black. 

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And I've never seen anyone use a
red pen outside of like a 

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teacher, like circling things 
that are wrong. 

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But you know, people are out 
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But I'm really excited because 
I've been on a pen journey for a

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very long time. 
I remember when I first started 

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with journaling as a whole, I 
was just using anything that was

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out there. 
And I don't even know the name 

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of the pen that I originally 
loved, but it was always the 

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ones that I got from doctors 
offices and they had this like 

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interesting body style to it. 
I didn't know anything about 

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pens until really I started 
getting more into journaling as 

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a whole and it became a really 
important part of my life. 

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Because you're running with this
instrument, right? 

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And you're like, OK, I'm going 
to use this every day. 

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And I've tried them all. 
I've got them all behind me. 

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You can see them all because I 
don't get rid of pens unless 

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they're crappy. 
I have a bunch of the not as 

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fancy ones in my drawer, like 
they're all over the place. 

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But I definitely have my 
favorites. 

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But Jess, why don't we start 
with you today? 

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Because I'll just talk forever 
about pens if you let me. 

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But let's start with one of your
very first pens. 

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That's your all time favorite or
your goat too. 

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My all time favorite go to like 
tried and true treasured pen, 

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right? 
This is the one that as soon as 

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somebody asks what's your 
favorite, this is the one that 

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comes up and being one of those 
people who is a little bit 

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particular about having a black 
ink pen in their notebook and 

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had to be black. 
So that would be the Papermate 

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Inkjoy gel pen. 
I know it's not like everybody's

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favorite and I know that in 
particular some people find that

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when they get it, it skips. 
I have had some that have done 

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that previously, but in, in the 
grand scheme of things, like, 

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you know, given how many of them
I've had, that's like .2% of the

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ones that I've tried out. 
OK, that math is bad math or I 

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do not, do not quote me on that 
math because I have not tried 

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like 10,000 of this pen. 
But I love the quality of the 

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black ink. 
I love that it is like super 

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dark saturated. 
I don't like it when you write 

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with a black pen and then after 
it dries, it's kind of just like

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a charcoal grey. 
I'm like, no, I picked up a 

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black pen for a reason. 
I want it like pitch noir, like 

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very, very dark. 
And this pen does that for me in

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terms of the kind of like, you 
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that. 
It is on the inkier side. 

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It is a gel pen. 
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longer. 
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lefties. 
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marketing materials, they say 
that it's quick drying. 

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I don't write with my left hand 
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I'm not out here intentionally 
smudging my pen very often 

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unless it's like specifically 
for a journal notebook test or 

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something like that. 
But I do love the black quality.

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I like the thickness of it 
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I do prefer my line weight to be
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I'm not out here with those like
needlepoint pens, which for some

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handwriting looks gorgeous. 
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So that one is definitely my go 
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Yeah, everything that you just 
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of the reasons that I'm not as a
fan of it because I have seen 

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them out there. 
I can say that I really do like 

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the grip on those pens because 
they're kind of made out of kind

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of a whole grippy kind of 
material, which I think was 

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really nice. 
But I am the person who likes 

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the needlepoint fine tips and 
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And I think even one that I got 
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just felt very big and very 
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And especially for me as a lefty
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them with them, I was just not 
as much of a fan of them because

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of those reasons there. 
But I know that you're a 

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hardcore fan, which I very much 
appreciate. 

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And I know that's like, you're 
always here to go to. 

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And I was like, no, I'm going to
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And I, I've had tried them 
before, but it was just one of 

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those things that didn't quite 
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But I know a lot of people that 
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No, that's very fair. 
I mean, as a right-handed 

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person, I don't usually have the
kind of smudging and smearing 

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issue quite as much. 
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love about it is that because 
the barrel of the pen has that 

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kind of safe through section, 
you can see how much ink is left

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in your pen. 
Which when it starts to kind of 

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like, you know, get a little 
fainter, maybe that black isn't 

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as saturated. 
Maybe it's skipping a little 

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bit. 
I can just roll the pen over and

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say, ah, it's because you don't 
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Time to get a new one. 
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do make a really big difference.
So a lot of the pens that I have

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are transparent for that reason.
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think you always think about 
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because usually they're encased 
in something, especially if it's

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like a gel pen or you know, kind
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pen. 
You don't worry about it because

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it seems like they last forever.
And they do, which is funny 

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because as a person who has a 
lot of pens and I'm always like,

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oh, but I what if, what if it 
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And I've never actually taken 
time to like use one pen for 

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like every day for X amount of 
time to see how long it writes 

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for. 
I don't know anybody who does 

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that necessarily, but I bulk buy
my favorite pens like that's 

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just how I roll because I'm just
like, what if it runs out and 

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then I can't have it looking 
consistent in my journal like I 

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can't do. 
That no, I'm definitely that way

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inclined as well. 
I have a little drawer that's 

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just filled with my inkjoys 
because if that one runs out 

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instantly is replaced. 
It's it's not that kind of thing

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where I'm going to run out and 
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to seven business days waiting 
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Because like you mentioned, I do
enjoy that consistency in my 

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journal. 
I like it when all of it looks 

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matchy. 
Matchy in terms of, you know, 

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titles and decoration and 
headers and all of that. 

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But also just my general 
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I don't love it when for some 
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halfway through a list and then 
that weight changes or the depth

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of the black changes. 
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because it's this like block of 
individual entries that's in 

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this like thick, gorgeous, dark,
deep black and then charcoal 

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grey and a slightly finer line 
weight. 

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I'm like it's a note from me. 
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that. 
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complete opposite to kind of 
where you are like my first love

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has always been the the Uniball 
Signal DX, specifically the 

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.38mm. 
That's a nice five point pen. 

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I know something that you just 
mentioned from yours of having 

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an issue with skipping with 
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And I think it's really 
important not to have that, 

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especially when you're running 
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I have never ever, ever, and I, 
this is a rare thing to say, 

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ever had this pen skip on me. 
It has been the most reliable 

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pen I have ever used. 
And this comes after probably 

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four or five years of trying a 
bunch of different pens. 

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I was a big Mooji boy back in 
the day, like those like semi 

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transparent pens from Muji with 
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But I'll tell you, I didn't know
the importance of like the 

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millimeter size of a pen because
most pens I don't feel like 

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really come forward with that 
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At least the pens I used to buy.
I have no idea what some of 

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those other pens were, but I 
think it was like this one 

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specifically, I was like, oh, 
specifically the .38mm because I

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was trying to find those like 
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I love the thin lines. 
I think that's why I love like 

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extra fine fountain pens so 
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I don't know, something about 
that aesthetic of like writing 

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on a page and it'd be nice and 
thin. 

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I also do like the sound and a 
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on my page. 
I it's like feedback for me. 

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Some people don't love that and 
they hate it and they, yeah, 

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their skin crawls, whatever they
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But I love it because it's like 
the same thing as like a 

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mechanical keyboard. 
Like hearing yourself type is 

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very therapeutic to me, right? 
And, and hearing myself right 

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makes me feel that I'm doing 
something right. 

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I think that's why I love it so 
much and why it's been so great.

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And So what I loved about this 
is I think I got maybe like a 5 

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pack to begin with. 
And then after I knew that I 

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loved it. 
And this was also when I was 

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going into work. 
So you also, that's the other 

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thing too, I guess you have to 
have extra because you may lose 

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your pen, right? 
Like you might lose it. 

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I was buying like 10/12/15 packs
of these, like a whole bunch of 

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them. 
I have a whole like section back

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here that's just filled with 
brand new pens that are just 

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waiting to be used. 
And then now I don't use them as

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much at least for like normal 
writing inside of my bullet 

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journal because I use fountain 
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But this one stays on my desk as
well as my other second favorite

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that is not a fountain pen. 
And they just are easy like you 

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said, they grab, I write with 
it. 

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I know I can rely on it. 
No smudging of that super fast 

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drying ink. 
Again, as a lefty, it's great. 

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And because it's so fine point 
as well, it drives even faster, 

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right? 
I don't have to wait or anything

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else like that because for me in
my bullet journal, especially 

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again, when I was at work taking
notes in a meeting, closing that

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go into a different meeting 
room, I hated like opening that 

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back up and then seeing like the
carbon copy on the opposite page

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if I didn't get enough time for 
that ink to dry. 

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So this has just been a really 
fantastic one for me and I just 

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love the way that it looks. 
Yeah, I think that part of the 

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reason why I, I kind of steer 
clear of those finer point pens 

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is that I'm just quite 
heavy-handed. 

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So I feel like I'm just like 
making track lines in my 

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journal, like kind of a thing 
like you're trying to gut the 

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notebook. 
Not really what I'm trying to 

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do, but because I apply as much 
pressure as I do, if it is 

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finer, you get, you know, extra 
pressure, force over area, 

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yadda, yadda type deal. 
Which means that on the reverse 

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side of the page, sometimes you 
can see that ridging, which I 

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don't necessarily dislike, but 
not in my journal. 

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Like if it was just a kind of 
note book where I'm just, you 

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know, black pen in the notebook,
writing things down, flipping 

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over and having that kind of 
it's almost Braille, but like 

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definitely not Braille. 
But is that ridged kind of 

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feeling? 
It feels very satisfying. 

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It's like, look at all the look 
at all the notes I took, look at

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all the work I did here. 
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love that. 
I don't love having ridging in 

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my notebook at all. 
So I kind of steer clear of 

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those really fine point ones, 
especially the fine point ones 

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that are a ballpoint because 
then they hold up better to my 

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ham handedness. 
Which means that then I do apply

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more pressure, which means I get
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to like a fine liner, you know, 
same nib size or whatnot. 

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Where you if you apply that much
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deformed or bent or blunt or 
like literally like twisted nib 

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kind of, you know, jutting out 
the side of the pen, just 

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reminding you of the sin that 
was your ham fistedness. 

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Yeah, or just not existent felt 
tip because especially for like 

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the Micron pens and the really 
thin ones like that yeah, you 

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put any amount of pressure on 
that and it pops up inside of 

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there to never be seen again and
it's very sad. 

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Yeah, I agree with you. 
This pen on certain types of 

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paper definitely does that, you 
know, especially on like earlier

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loystroms, you know, whatever 
that was, 70 LB paper or 

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whatever it was kind of the OG 
ones all the time. 

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You know, you could feel it 
through there. 

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And I'm not doing any type of 
art really inside of my journal.

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But if you are the type of 
person that does art or uses 

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anything like that, you're 
absolutely right. 

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You can get like kind of almost 
like a relief kind of on the 

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other side of there, right Or 
something that has happened to 

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me, especially with really fine 
points. 

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None of the ones that I'm 
talking about today. 

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I remember one time I was in New
York and this is very famous 

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stationary store there and I 
totally forget the name of it. 

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It starts with the Y and I 
remember finding an even finer 

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point than .38 and I don't know 
where I have it. 

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It might be like juice up or 
something like that. 

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I forget which brand it was. 
I have never written with more 

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of a fine point pen. 
I was so excited for it. 

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I was like, yes, even finer than
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used it and it was 2 too fine 
point for me because it was 

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really bad paper. 
It can actually RIP through your

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paper. 
Like there is a point where your

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needlepoint pen is like a 
needle. 

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I can't go through there. 
Or if you do like draw a lot of 

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lines or circles, I've had that 
happen too actually with a lot 

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of this pen specifically because
it's fine point If you like 

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really draw in a circle and then
go to the other side and you 

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Draw Something over top, it can 
kind of RIP. 

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So I think it's very much 
finding the tool for what you're

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trying to do. 
If you're just writing in a 

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notebook, regardless the type of
paper, it's great. 

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But if you tend to go a little 
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again, you, you start to learn 
that over time, right? 

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Like nothing that I would have 
ever thought about. 

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Like, oh, I write with more 
pressure with my pen inside of 

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my notebook for whatever reason 
that might be. 

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It's kind of the opposite for 
people who don't look like 

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they're like they're just 
gliding across the page as they 

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write. 
I'm like, who are you? 

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Because not me, I'm trying to 
etch into stone. 

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I'm making sure that lettering 
is getting on my page. 

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It's just one of those things 
where I love the feedback. 

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And so regardless of the pen I'm
using, I'm probably in the same 

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spot. 
I guess with certain fountain 

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pens like flex nibs and things 
like that, if you press too 

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hard, you know, then you're 
getting the thicker lines. 

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And if that's not what you're 
trying to go for, it's like a 

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whole other thing. 
But this is definitely something

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that I've been a fan of. 
I think it's a great way to go. 

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Yeah, I find that I do use a 
finer nib, but just not for 

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writing. 
Like the majority of the pens 

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that we're looking at today, at 
least for me, is for writing or 

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some other kind of like function
that I use quite a lot when I'm 

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doing my journaling and planning
and that kind of such thing. 

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But when it comes to like 
drawing and such, then a .2 is 

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really great. 
A .1. 

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I'm pretty sure that my friend 
Monica writes in like a .05 or 

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something ludicrous, but her 
handwriting is so gorgeous and 

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it looks so good with the fine 
nib. 

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And I'm just like, I wish, I 
wish that I had a lettering 

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style that looked like the font 
that is her handwriting and how 

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good it looks with the fine pen.
It makes sense that she uses 

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that. 
But for my regular everyday 

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writing where my letter forms 
are usually a little bit wider, 

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they're not quite as like, you 
know, skinny narrow type thing. 

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Because if you do have skinny 
narrow handwriting, then having 

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a fine point pen can really help
make it more readable. 

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If you're going in with 
something like mine, which is a 

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.7, and you've got letter forms 
that are quite compact and quite

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tight, everything kind of just 
ends up looking like black 

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blobs, which like quality of 
black love that, but readability

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not so much. 
All right, well, what about your

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next pen? 
Talking about your first one, 

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that inked joy. 
Loving that so much. 

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What's your next one that you 
are a secondary fan of? 

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So the second one kind of came 
out of necessity because the 

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notebooks that I typically like 
to use, despite their claims, 

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the paper is different, at least
it behaves differently with my 

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ink joy. 
It got to a point where my ink 

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joy was causing me some grief. 
It was smudging and such. 

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I'm not going to give up on it. 
I still love it. 

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It is my baby. 
Love this pen. 

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But I was finding that given the
smudging that I was getting in 

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my everyday journal, that was 
not sparking joy with as much as

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I needed to write and the speed 
with which I want to be able to 

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write it, I didn't want to sit 
there and like write a line out 

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and wait and wait and let it 
dry. 

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So I figured, OK, it's time to 
explore something new. 

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It's time to find something else
that you can use in here that 

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maybe it's going to be a little 
bit more friendly to work with. 

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Part of the change I did was go 
from a .7 to a .5, So it's 

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slightly thinner. 
And now as I've kind of gotten 

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used to it, I'm like, oh, oh, is
this my new happy place. 

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But whatnot, The pen is at least
my happy place. 

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That's the zebra serasa mark on.
I love it. 

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I don't use it for the kind of a
no claim on the packaging or 

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like the kind of main use that 
most people have it for, which 

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is the idea that you can write 
with it, let it dry and then go 

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over the top of it with the mild
liner. 

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So it's the idea that it won't 
smudge when you highlight 

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something over the top. 
And I know that that is 

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something that's really, really 
valuable for a lot of people. 

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I don't highlight over the top 
of my writing pretty much ever 

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unless I have done some poor 
prior planning and stuffed 

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something up. 
I'm usually the kind of person 

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who will highlight first and 
then write over the top. 

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But I have found that it's dry 
time and the like smudging that 

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I thus don't get given the 
improved dry time is a lot 

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nicer. 
So this is another one that I've

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gone and like stocked up on and 
got a little draw section just 

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filled with this zebra Sarasa 
mark ONS because they are 

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definitely a new favorite for 
me. 

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Yeah, well, I'll just go ahead 
and say that's also my second 

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favorite as well as this one 
because I've also, and again, we

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did not talk about this before. 
We just said pick four pens that

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you love and, and come up with. 
So all of the reasons that you 

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said and actually for the reason
you said you don't use it is 

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because I love my mild liners 
very much and utilizing them and

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color coding. 
And that was one of my biggest 

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things that I despised with 
other pens. 

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Actually the, the the Uniball 
one works well too because it's 

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quick dry and I think that's a 
really big, big part of archival

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or waterproof, all those things.
But I love it for that. 

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Yeah, the enjoy is not 
waterproof, even in the sliders 

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it will smudge the smudge the 
Bishop. 

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If you try and highlight over 
this one it's OK still love it, 

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but not for highlighting if 
you're doing that again. 

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Yeah. 
And there's nothing worse than 

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like trying to think about the 
space you need to use a 

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highlighter to then right over 
top of that highlighter. 

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I think that was like when I got
so excited when Zebra was, you 

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know, telling us about like this
new pen that they were coming 

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out because that was a really 
big customer issue that they 

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were seeing is like, OK, we love
your, your highlighters and your

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mildliners. 
We do not love that I can't use 

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them with most of my pens or you
have to think about it at a 

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time. 
So this has also been one of 

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mine too. 
And because it is a .5, like you

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said, I'm kind of like, OK, 
sometimes I like to write a 

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little bit thicker and sometimes
it doesn't matter. 

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Sometimes I'm not even looking. 
I just know where my pens are 

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and my little pen holder next to
me and I grab it and I can start

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writing with it and it's never a
problem too. 

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I've had a few issues with like 
skipping and things like that, 

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but I really think it's more 
about the paper sometimes than 

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it is the pen itself. 
I'm sure other people have had 

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this too where like you're 
writing normal and like all of a

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sudden there's like a spot on 
your page that doesn't take ink.

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And I'll be like, wait a SEC, oh
maybe OK. 

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And this is weird because it 
doesn't usually happen. 

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And I'll go over it again and 
I'm like, what is going on? 

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And then I'll test my pen like 
another piece of paper without 

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any issue whatsoever. 
And I'm like, something is not 

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right here. 
Like what is going on. 

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And so a lot of the times where 
I think that it's the pen that's

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having an issue, I like double 
check and sometimes it's the 

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paper. 
So like this is another one, 

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super reliable. 
I, you know, love the way it 

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holds. 
I even like the design. 

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I like the little kind of graph 
paper look to it. 

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It kind of fits inside of like 
what I'm doing. 

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I'm writing in a notebook. 
I can rely on it. 

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It's an easy go to and you can 
buy a multi pack of these and 

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they're not super expensive. 
And I'd say the same thing about

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the other one too. 
Like my first two picks are not 

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very expensive picks. 
These you can buy anywhere. 

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The other ones go up in price a 
little bit. 

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I'm sure a lot of people know 
the direction I'll be going from

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my last two picks, but these 
definitely are like easy 

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accessible by everyone and just 
love them so much. 

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So I'm 100% there with you. 
Is there anything that you don't

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love about it? 
I know we're like gushing over 

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the things that we do love, but 
like, anything that you're not a

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fan of, of this pen? 
I think if anything it would 

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just be how long it lasts given 
how much I write. 

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Like I'm kind of sitting here 
looking at my one currently. 

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I'm like, Oh yeah, no, don't 
have the transparency on the 

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barrel, but if you hold it up to
the light, you can see through 

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the grip that that ink is 
running out. 

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It's time to pull out the next 
one. 

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Do you ever let your pen just 
run all the way out? 

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Are you like pretty close and 
you're like, go and get rid of 

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this because like just in case 
I'm going somewhere, I need to 

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have a full pen. 
Do you ever think that far in 

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advance? 
I typically if I'm traveling, I 

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will check and see if it has 
enough ink to kind of last me 

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through. 
That's usually not the problem. 

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The problem I find is that 
because I write as much as I do,

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I go through quite a few pages 
oftentimes, which means that 

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once you flip over and start 
writing with it, you don't have 

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any reference of when the ink 
was more plentiful or like 

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fuller or whatnot. 
I'm kind of trick myself into 

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thinking like, Oh yes, this is 
the normal amount of ink, 

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Everything is fine. 
We just need jumping down what 

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we need to do and such and 
getting on with our day. 

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And then it gets to that point 
where it's like, no, no, bottom 

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00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,600
of the barrel dead kind of a 
thing. 

444
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,160
I'm like, all right now I'll 
change out for the for the new 

445
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,280
pen. 
And then when we have the full 

446
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,600
amount of ink, it's like, oh, 
that's what you're supposed to 

447
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,400
look like. 
And now my lines don't have 

448
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,120
consistency. 
Now my list doesn't have 

449
00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:08,440
consistency. 
And now I'm pissed, not pissed 

450
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,440
enough to go back over 
everything I just wrote. 

451
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,640
But still, at least I know that 
within half a week I'll be off 

452
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,800
that page and I won't have to 
look at it anymore. 

453
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,480
But in the moment, very. 
Upset, yeah, let's not piss off 

454
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,600
Jess about these line widths and
things like that. 

455
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,120
Yeah, I think a lot of the times
having the ability see how much 

456
00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:27,840
ink is left is really great. 
I think with like fountain pens 

457
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,280
as well, something that I really
like because that's one of those

458
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,880
things that if you're out and 
about and you don't have your 

459
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,360
ink filled, like you're not 
replacing that. 

460
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,600
And actually this is like the 
pen recently that I'm like 

461
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,800
grabbing. 
If I go into work or somewhere 

462
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,880
where I take pens, I kind of a 
backup. 

463
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,560
I have a regular ink pen and I 
have a regular pencil as well, 

464
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,680
along with my fountain pens that
I take just because, again, I 

465
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,480
know that I can rely on these. 
I know that they have ink in 

466
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,760
them. 
They're not going to run out 

467
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,120
anytime in the near future and 
I'm and I'm good to go and I can

468
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,480
use them with anything 
highlighters and whatnot, which 

469
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,760
is something that, you know, 
we've now mentioned. 

470
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,320
It's actually a really important
part, especially if you do 

471
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,920
highlight things. 
If you're in school or college, 

472
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,640
right, or you are a teacher or 
you're in a profession where you

473
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,600
are highlighting a lot, having a
pen that you can use kind of 

474
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,800
anything over top is really 
important. 

475
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,520
And it's not something again, 
that you usually think about. 

476
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,640
You know, the worst thing is 
when you do take that one home 

477
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,920
and you're like, I'm so excited.
I love this pen. 

478
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,160
And then you take the 
highlighter over it and it's 

479
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,560
smudges and then you're 
highlighter gets dirty on the 

480
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,040
end and it's just, it's a mess 
and you're just so sad because 

481
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,160
you're like, now this looks like
poopy on my page and I don't 

482
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,000
like it. 
I don't like it at all. 

483
00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:37,840
Yeah, no, I think that your 
point about the idea of not 

484
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,360
necessarily knowing how much 
space you need to highlight for 

485
00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:43,600
as well, because if you know the
amount of space, it's cool. 

486
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,840
You just slap the color down 
first. 

487
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,320
You write over the top of it, 
easy. 

488
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,760
But if it's just, you know, a 
particular phrase you're trying 

489
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,360
to highlight or you know, a 
header or something and you're 

490
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,840
just not sure what the kind of 
width of that is going to be, 

491
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,280
that's where the biggest issues 
kind of lie. 

492
00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,240
To the extent where previously 
when I was using pens or like, 

493
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,720
you know, exclusively using pens
that weren't very water 

494
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,640
resistant would give the whole 
kind of like a muddied effect. 

495
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,400
If you highlighted over the top.
I would just kind of structure 

496
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,520
any of my headers, which is 
usually where I was doing the 

497
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,160
highlight. 
So that then each box in the 

498
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,200
dock grid got one letter. 
So rather than writing in my 

499
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,480
regular kind of, you know, width
of writing or whatnot, regular 

500
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,480
handwriting, I would just have 
it structured so that it's like,

501
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,560
I know it's going to be 1 box 
per letter. 

502
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,920
So this is how many letters, 
this is how many boxes I need to

503
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,720
highlight and do it that way. 
But that's not necessarily the 

504
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,440
effect everybody's going for. 
Like yes it's a solution, but a 

505
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,600
better solution is a pen that 
doesn't do the smudging. 

506
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,240
Yeah, yeah, It's such an 
important part. 

507
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,720
Again, you don't really think 
about it. 

508
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,520
And that's when we turn into 
small, like, pen snobs. 

509
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,240
But I don't think it's anything 
like terrible, though. 

510
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,000
Like, I love when you're in a 
meeting or you're meeting other 

511
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,960
people and you're like, oh, can 
I borrow a pen? 

512
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,240
And someone like takes a moment 
because they have to think about

513
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,840
the pen that they're about to 
lend you. 

514
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:59,480
I, when I was in the office all 
the time, I always had a lend 

515
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,720
pen section of my pen holder 
because I was like, you're not 

516
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,680
getting any of my good ones. 
Because there were a few times I

517
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,720
remember, because I, I held 
these, you know, like so 

518
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,960
precious in my life. 
I was like, I spent like a 

519
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,640
decent amount on these, you 
know, like the bulk one that I 

520
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,200
did. 
I remember writing down to my 

521
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,000
notebook who I lent a pen to 
because I wanted my damn pen 

522
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,560
back. 
Like, it's one thing if I was 

523
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,960
giving you like a crappy one or 
the one that's just in like the 

524
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,600
stationary closet at work or 
whatever, I don't care. 

525
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,240
But if I'm giving you something 
that I deem precious, I will 

526
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,360
damn well make sure I get my pen
back. 

527
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,480
So I was the guy that like, 
literally like on my desk, like 

528
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,840
I had a cup that I had all the 
blend pens on. 

529
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,240
Because sometimes people will 
just like, walk by your desk and

530
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,960
take a pen off your desk, right.
But all my good ones I put 

531
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,120
inside of my drawer because I 
was like, you hopefully aren't 

532
00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:49,920
going to be going through my 
drawers for these pens. 

533
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,280
So if you just take a lend pen 
off the top, like, I'm not 

534
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,000
worried about you. 
Yeah. 

535
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,600
It's like a library catalog of 
your pens to be like, ah yes, 

536
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,720
the borrower's list of 
something, and a little bar 

537
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,040
codes on all your pens that you 
can like, scan them out. 

538
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,160
I'm not going to lie to you, if 
I was doing that fountain pens 

539
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,680
100%, I was just talking to my 
friend at work the other day and

540
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,560
she was asking me, she's like, I
think I'm ready to get into 

541
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,640
fountain pens. 
Like what do you like? 

542
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,920
What do you think's best for me?
And we got talking about it and 

543
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,880
I was like, no, I have a lot of 
fountain pens. 

544
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,640
Like I could just give you or 
like lend to you if you wanted 

545
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:20,560
to. 
She's like, what do you mean 

546
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,160
lend? 
I'm like, well, we go into the 

547
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,120
office once a month. 
Like I have enough fountain pens

548
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,520
that I'm not going to miss like 
certain ones, like if I don't 

549
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,080
get it back, but like I'm not 
going to give her like a really 

550
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,920
expensive one, but like try it 
out, see if you like it before 

551
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,400
you buy. 
Like it's essentially A 

552
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,760
stationary store inside of my 
life right now. 

553
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,640
So it's like instead of going 
into a pen store and testing it 

554
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,880
there, let me just lend you one 
for the month. 

555
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,720
You know, I'll put it on my 
library card of lens pens and 

556
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,240
I'll get it back the next time 
that we meet. 

557
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,680
You can tell me what you think 
about it. 

558
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:51,560
It's just one of those things 
where like it does make a really

559
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,240
big difference. 
I think on like what you have, 

560
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,440
what you're letting people 
borrow. 

561
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,320
But I mean, my introduction, the
fountain pens was just someone 

562
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,960
let me borrow one. 
It was just like the, you know, 

563
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,520
pre filled ones. 
I forget the brand name of the 

564
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,040
one that I had, but it was just 
someone was like, here, try it. 

565
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,640
You know, it's like a 2-3 dollar
pen wasn't a huge big deal. 

566
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,280
But for me, it really started to
make me feel a little bit more 

567
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,400
comfortable and confident moving
in a fountain pen. 

568
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,200
So I'm super thankful when 
people do lending me pens or 

569
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,720
like, let me use them because 
you're like, oh, I like the way 

570
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,040
this writes. 
What pen is that? 

571
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,000
Oh, I haven't tried that one 
before. 

572
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,160
Oh, let me give it a I'm going 
to go buy them here. 

573
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,000
Here's the Amazon link. 
All right, I'll be at my house 

574
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,520
tonight. 
Like I love those types of 

575
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,800
conversations. 
Maybe it's just me that has 

576
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,160
those type of conversations with
people, but like I've done that 

577
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,200
so many times where I'm like, 
this is a great pen. 

578
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,440
It'll be at my house by 5:00 PM.
Now, I do definitely think that 

579
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,040
there is benefit in doing an 
Ooch or like, you know, a trial 

580
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,720
run with pens, especially ones 
that are a little bit pricier. 

581
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,200
And, and if you've got somebody 
who's, you know, close to you, 

582
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,720
who's willing to let you either 
like borrow it or just test it 

583
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,360
out or something like that, it 
can be a very good way to get a 

584
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:55,760
feel for whether it works for 
you. 

585
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,920
If you were borrowing somebody's
pen, though, you damn well 

586
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,560
better give that thing back, 
right? 

587
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,400
You're not going to have Mark 
coming like at your door. 

588
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,640
Like, please, where's my pen? 
I lent this to you. 

589
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,080
But like, I need it back, right?
It'll be him. 

590
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,520
It'll be whoever like else, lend
it to you because these things 

591
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,080
are precious. 
We're only just like a little 

592
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,480
particular about it. 
I stole your second one, though,

593
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,440
Mark. 
So what would be your third most

594
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,680
favorite pen? 
It's good to be on the same 

595
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,160
plane. 
So I'm going to go into fountain

596
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,040
pen territory now because this 
has been this is actually, it's 

597
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,040
funny, this is actually the 
timeline of my life from a from 

598
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520
like going into pens, except for
the mark on because it did come 

599
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,560
out after I started collecting 
my fountain pens. 

600
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,120
But this is very exciting. 
So my very first fountain pen 

601
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:38,000
and the 1 I actually recommend 
for everyone is the Lami, 

602
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,000
whether it's the Lami safari or 
the All Star. 

603
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,920
So like my very first fountain 
pen was this one right here. 

604
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,960
This was a gift to me from my 
sister-in-law for Christmas one 

605
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,000
year. 
I had never tried a fountain pen

606
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,680
before ever in my life. 
Like I've tried the one that, 

607
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,440
like he said at work, my friend 
let me kind of borrow the, you 

608
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,760
know, one that's already filled 
up. 

609
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280
But I didn't, you know anything 
about cartridges, converters, 

610
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,360
none of this kind of stuff. 
But this pen has been so great 

611
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:05,240
because I think it's a great 
entry level pen for a lot of 

612
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,200
individuals, especially when you
are trying to find, you know, 

613
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,160
colors that you like because 
they come in so many different 

614
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,240
fun colors and materials. 
The the All Star one I have is 

615
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,920
like a aluminum one. 
It was a special edition one, 

616
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,320
but you can find them just, you 
know, I call them like my snack 

617
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,600
pens. 
They're really just like they're

618
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,600
always around and any type of 
color they're made out of like 

619
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,160
plastic or like a resin or 
something like that and they 

620
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,680
come in every color of the 
rainbow. 

621
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,200
And I love them so much and it 
really is just a great way to 

622
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,080
get into it. 
I think they come usually with a

623
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,680
few cartridges that you just pop
into the back of the pen and you

624
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,320
use it till it's gone or you can
buy the converter. 

625
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,320
So you can suck up fountain pen 
ink and use it. 

626
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,600
It's very easy. 
And I was just talking, this is 

627
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,760
actually the pen that I was 
recommending to my friend at 

628
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,840
work who is trying to get into 
fountain pens. 

629
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,400
And the reason was also that 
with these pens, you know, they 

630
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,880
come with a nib and you can buy 
them, you know, whatever you 

631
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,200
want, but you can actually buy 
replacement nibs or other sizes 

632
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,200
and they're really easy to 
change out because you just 

633
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,440
literally take this part and you
pull it off, which is very 

634
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,160
scary, don't get me wrong. 
And you just pop on the other 

635
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,960
one and you've gone from having 
like a medium or a larger one to

636
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,680
like an extra fine, which is 
what I replaced mine with when I

637
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,800
very first got it because the 
mediums for me were just too 

638
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,560
thick. 
And I was like, no, no, I can't 

639
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,520
go from like a .38mm to like a 
medium. 

640
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,840
So I had to get the extra fine. 
They do have a little ink window

641
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,240
in it. 
So when we talk about features 

642
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,040
of pens, I guess something that 
I'm not usually thinking about 

643
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,480
is having that ink window. 
And the grips are always really 

644
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,880
nice. 
They're kind of already kind of 

645
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,760
made for your hand to fit in. 
Whether you're left or 

646
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,640
right-handed, it doesn't matter.
So if you're nervous about like 

647
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,880
how to hold a fountain pen if 
there aren't grips, it already 

648
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,280
exists. 
So you literally just put it in 

649
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,840
your hand and you know it's 
wrong because it feels weird in 

650
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120
your hand. 
And like I said, they're very 

651
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,280
budget friendly depending on 
what you're looking for. 

652
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,760
And you can really start to 
customize them and kind of go 

653
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,040
with them. 
And mommy's been around for a 

654
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,000
very long time. 
They're definitely a brand that 

655
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,000
is established or not, like just
some new person off the street. 

656
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,680
So the quality is always very 
nice. 

657
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,160
And like I said, you can get 
them usually pretty 

658
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,440
inexpensively, you know, in some
cases for 10-15 dollars, 

659
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,720
especially when you're getting 
them on sale or like a discount 

660
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,760
code or whatever. 
And I just think that they're, 

661
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,080
they're everyone's best friend. 
No, I think that accessibility 

662
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,760
is a big thing when it comes to 
pens. 

663
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,520
And knowing that I can order, 
you know, my first two favorites

664
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,240
very easily and get them sent to
my house, that's always 

665
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,440
something that is very pleasing 
to know. 

666
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Lamy, Lamy, Lamy. 
Lamy. 

667
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,720
I was like Lamy. 
The Lamy, well, that's the thing

668
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,960
with some of these is like the 
same thing with Loystrom. 

669
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Like I didn't know how to say 
that until I actually was like, 

670
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880
I need to watch a video to see 
how someone actually says it 

671
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,680
because I was saying like 
Lecterum and like other things 

672
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,160
like that. 
And you listen to like Loystrom.

673
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,840
So Lamy is what all the 
professionals say. 

674
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,240
So some people say Lamy because 
that's the way it looks. 

675
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,320
But but Lamy is how I've been. 
Yeah, and I'm over here calling 

676
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,240
it Lamy, but mainly because I 
don't think that it would be for

677
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,880
me, mainly because of that like 
pen grip that you said was like 

678
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,680
technically speaking, yes, a 
good feature, one that helps you

679
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,920
hold your pen quote correctly. 
I don't hold my pen correctly. 

680
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,320
I don't want to be told what to 
do. 

681
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,480
I'm a rebel, right? 
I'm not going to let my pen 

682
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,760
dictate how I'm going to hold 
it. 

683
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,120
So most of the time my preferred
barrel type is just going to be 

684
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,760
round because then I can have my
incorrect grip and still have it

685
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,880
be comfortable enough. 
I totally forgot about that. 

686
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:25,800
That's right. 
You write. 

687
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,280
You write very odd. 
Yeah. 

688
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Like a little Kremlin. 
Like how you write your stuff? 

689
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,600
You know I have instead of 
resting the pen on my middle 

690
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,760
finger, I rested on my what? 
Ring finger? 

691
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,280
Second middle finger? 
What is? 

692
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,760
What is this one called? 
Your index finger. 

693
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,200
No, not your index finger. 
That would be hard as how do you

694
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,400
rest your pen on your index 
finger and get any kind of like 

695
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,880
security. 
I'm the kind of person who puts 

696
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,160
my middle and index finger on 
the top of the pen and rests the

697
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,880
pen like barrel the one next to 
your pinky finger. 

698
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,720
Your index finger. 
No, no, your index finger is 

699
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,200
your pointer finger. 
Is it? 

700
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,680
Isn't it? 
I don't know. 

701
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,400
I always called it the pointer 
finger. 

702
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,200
I thought this was the index, 
maybe not. 

703
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,880
The wiggles say where is pointer
here I am and then that's the 

704
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,960
first one and then where is tall
boy because they want don't want

705
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,840
to say like the rude finger or 
whatever. 

706
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,800
And then it's Ringo and then 
it's pinky. 

707
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,400
I don't think they do anything 
for the thumb though. 

708
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,280
This is like a throwback to like
4 year old Jess though so. 

709
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840
Well, that makes sense because 
you right like a four year old 

710
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,320
usually does before they learn 
how to hold their pen correctly 

711
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,880
at. 
Least it's more legible than a 

712
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,760
four year old, at least most of 
the time. 

713
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,440
But because of that, because I 
have a slightly different way to

714
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,240
hold my pen, it means that any 
of those kind of grips that are 

715
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,200
supposed to help you hold it in 
a particular traditional 

716
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,240
whatever way, they usually end 
up causing me more discomfort 

717
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880
when I use those types of pens. 
No, it's funny you say that. 

718
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,600
So yeah, then then Lami isn't 
for you. 

719
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,640
If you don't write like a normal
human being, then yeah, this is 

720
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,480
not going to be right. 
Because I'm just looking through

721
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,600
all of mine and realizing they 
all have this, regardless of the

722
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,160
type. 
So that's actually a really good

723
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,960
point to make about it because 
yeah, that's a really great 

724
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,720
feature, I think. 
But you're absolutely right, if 

725
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,720
I try to write like this it 
actually feels weird because the

726
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,440
pen kind of rest almost on your 
fingernail it feels like right 

727
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,760
like instead of where I have a 
permanent crease inside of my 

728
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,800
finger from how I hold mine. 
I think I do end up, I do end up

729
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,720
resting it on my knuckle for 
that ring finger or whatnot. 

730
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,280
And that does mean that I have a
kind of like pronounced pad, I 

731
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,800
guess on that knuckle because 
over time I've caused trauma to 

732
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,960
the finger. 
So now it's just like belt 

733
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,880
itself. 
That's like padding to safeguard

734
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,960
it from my hand fisted pin 
holding. 

735
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,440
But it is, it is curious to see 
how people hold their pens. 

736
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,080
I'm also always very curious to 
see how people hold chopsticks. 

737
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,960
That one's always one that I'm 
quite fascinated by. 

738
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,200
Completely not related to the 
topic at hand. 

739
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,360
It's still a curiosity point. 
Yeah, because, yeah, when you 

740
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,200
hold chopstick, you're holding 
it similar how you hold a 

741
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,920
pencil. 
So for you, you're holding it 

742
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,560
like again. 
A good little gremlin grip on 

743
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,120
your sushi. 
Yeah, exactly. 

744
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
I think I end up holding it so 
that then one of the chopsticks 

745
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,680
rests on the ring finger and the
other one rests on the middle 

746
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,640
finger. 
Now I'm thinking about it. 

747
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,560
I don't have chopsticks. 
I'm like trying to do chopsticks

748
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,840
with my pens not working. 
Because yeah, I've always held 

749
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,160
it similar to how I hold a pen. 
So you are holding chopsticks. 

750
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,680
How you I guess I wonder if 
that's how it's done Like people

751
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,920
that well, planter pals, let us 
know now that you've uncovered 

752
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,400
this oddity in the world. 
I never really put two and two 

753
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,200
together about like using 
chopsticks similar to how you 

754
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,320
write. 
So you're doing it similar to 

755
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,360
how you write. 
So you're, I don't know, no 

756
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,160
wonder. 
Do you have issues? 

757
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Do you have to use like a little
supporter when you're using 

758
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,640
chopsticks you have? 
Issues. 

759
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,320
Well yes, thank you for calling 
it out. 

760
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,080
But I can hold chopsticks fine, 
or at least like, I can use 

761
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,880
chopsticks fine. 
I don't have to have, like, you 

762
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,360
know, any kind of assistive grip
or anything with the chopsticks.

763
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Vogel uses an assistive grip 
because despite our best efforts

764
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:58,920
to teach him, he's very 
stubborn. 

765
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,240
And I don't know, I'm like, 
that's a defeatist mindset. 

766
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,400
How dare you? 
But yeah, we. 

767
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Don't do that. 
Does he have the little clips 

768
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,720
that go on the back that spring 
it or do you use the paper from 

769
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
the chopsticks to create that? 
No, we have a little spaceman. 

770
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,560
We call it his spaceman. 
It's got, you know, the little 

771
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,360
kind of rubber feet that then 
you can slide the chopsticks 

772
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,400
into and it holds it at that 
kind of open a shape or whatnot.

773
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,280
You just press against it to get
them to close. 

774
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,239
Oh my God, I love that you have 
to take that with you. 

775
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,280
When you go out to eat 
somewhere, you're like, do you 

776
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,840
have the spaceman? 
Nope. 

777
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,560
Go back inside and get it out of
the drawer. 

778
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,639
I need my spaceman. 
It's literally that. 

779
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,679
Actually, usually we get to Yum 
cha and he goes, Oh no. 

780
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,440
And I'm like, did you forget 
your spaceman? 

781
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,560
He looks very dejected, like, 
yeah, like they have forks. 

782
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,719
We'll just ask them for a fork. 
Jess, you're his wife now, so 

783
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,360
that's like a part of your 
wifely duty is to always make 

784
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,280
sure the spaceman is in your 
purse or pocket. 

785
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,480
I'm sorry this happens. 
I know I'm just gonna get 

786
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,639
another one and keep it in the 
car because we already have at 

787
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,080
this like we have, you know, 
those telescopic metal straws or

788
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,680
whatnot because he is like 
adamantly against paper straws, 

789
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,600
which like fair, I get it. 
I'm I don't like them, but I'll 

790
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,040
use them. 
He just he can't. 

791
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440
I can understand sometimes like 
with those kind of tactile 

792
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,600
things like using a wooden spoon
is absolutely hideous. 

793
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,520
And now I'm thinking I should 
probably get a car spoon so that

794
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,960
then if I go somewhere that has 
a wooden spoon, at least I have 

795
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,280
a spoon. 
You don't you don't you don't 

796
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,920
think about these things until 
you say it out loud and the 

797
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,640
thought of eating anything with 
the wooden spoon just made like 

798
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,840
made my I got me chills like 
thinking about it. 

799
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,640
I'm with him on the paper straw.
Not to go on this side tangent, 

800
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,000
but I hate nothing more than 
drinking out of a paper straw 

801
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,960
and then it like going limp as 
you're drinking from it. 

802
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,160
It is I hate it. 
I can't because I love my 

803
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,800
drinks. 
I love my straws and I love my 

804
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,160
ice. 
Like if if I can't have the best

805
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,800
experience when drinking my 
fountain soda then I'm not a 

806
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,360
happy boy. 
I'll just take the cap off. 

807
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,360
I'd rather not use the straw 
than use a paper straw. 

808
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,160
I just like to think of it as an
incentive to drink my drink 

809
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,240
faster. 
It's like we're not going to let

810
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,480
it get to the pulpy gross of 
this because you're just going 

811
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,480
to drink this quick enough that 
it's not a problem. 

812
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,600
Or if you get as many refills as
I get, it becomes a problem 

813
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,520
because then you're just, it's a
lot of use. 

814
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Anyway, let's get back to pen 
talk. 

815
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,640
What's your next one, Jess? 
So sniffing away from my kind of

816
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,560
writing favorites and into ones 
that I use for just other stuff.

817
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,520
One would definitely have to be 
the Tombo dual brush markers. 

818
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,640
This is the pen set that I got 
like what I think I was two 

819
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,240
weeks, if that, into my 
journaling journey and I had 

820
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,360
seen them online. 
I'm like, oh, FOMO's here, like 

821
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,680
maybe I should get these, but 
I'll get the mild liners first. 

822
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,600
Got the mild liners. 
They were fine. 

823
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,760
Like I was excited to get them 
because I hadn't gotten them 

824
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,720
before. 
So, you know, there's a novelty 

825
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,080
and a newness, but I didn't love
that the chisel wasn't the full 

826
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,640
width of the dock grids. 
I'm like, well, hey, I've seen 

827
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,520
people use these Tombo dual rush
mark is to get a line that is 

828
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,760
the full width of the Dockerid. 
I'll get those, but of course I 

829
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,600
am me. 
So I'm like, well, we could we 

830
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,400
could start with just like 1 
pack of them to do the urge, 

831
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,560
give it a test run or whatnot. 
Nah, I got the full set all at 

832
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:03,160
once, which like shipping from 
the US, like US Amazon to the 

833
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,440
ass end of the world where I 
live because they just did not 

834
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,360
really have them accessible down
here that cost a bit. 

835
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,240
That's fine. 
That's past Jess's problem. 

836
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,240
Current Jess loves her set of 
Tombos though. 

837
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,600
It is definitely one of my most 
used. 

838
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Like pretty much any journal 
setup I do is get a feature of 

839
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,400
Tombo in some way, shape or 
form. 

840
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,360
Very rarely will I use something
else just because I've, you 

841
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,560
know, over the years collected 
more pens that have the same 

842
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,120
kind of like brush tip or bullet
tip or whatnot. 

843
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,960
But I do love the fact that like
the name suggests, it is dual 

844
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,600
ended. 
So you've got your brush tip, 

845
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,080
you've got your bullet tip, so 
that you can do different line 

846
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,480
styles or whatnot. 
My main use for these was 

847
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,520
previously coloring in. 
So when I did a lot of 

848
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,800
decoration styles that did 
require me to draw stuff, I 

849
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,120
would color in with the Tombos. 
Nowadays, it's mainly for second

850
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,800
line highlights more than 
anything else. 

851
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,760
And the second line highlight is
just a great way to, one, add 

852
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,280
some color to your page, which 
too is also some visual 

853
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,600
interest, but also three 
increases like readability of 

854
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,600
things. 
I find that with a second line 

855
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,120
highlight on a list, it just 
makes the list just more user 

856
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,720
friendly almost. 
You can see separate entries 

857
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,680
very easily and even if one 
entry takes up two lines, it 

858
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,400
still is increasing the 
readability. 

859
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,840
For me. 
I also appreciate because it is 

860
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,480
a water based marker and at 
least in the journals that I'm 

861
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,240
using and with the way I use it,
if you go over it multiple 

862
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,960
times, it will darken that 
section. 

863
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,120
Which is a really nice thing for
when you're trying to make 

864
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,440
tables or use the Alastair 
method because you can do 

865
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,040
horizontal rows to say like you 
know individual entries, but 

866
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,760
then you can also highlight 
alternate columns. 

867
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,680
So that means that any time that
it's gone over twice, that part 

868
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,480
will be a little bit darker. 
So not only means that like you 

869
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,600
can make gingham patterns and 
whatever in your journal if you 

870
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,440
want to, but you can also get 
the functionality of being able 

871
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,080
to very easily read your tables 
because you have those darkened 

872
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000
up column sections or whatnot. 
I love them a lot. 

873
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,320
No, everything you were saying, 
it's funny. 

874
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,800
I don't. 
I never really think about that,

875
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,960
about those pens. 
First of all, I have, I don't 

876
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,240
have the entire collection, but 
I have a lot and I only ever use

877
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,320
the brush side and I mostly use 
it for exactly like you said, 

878
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,400
second line underlining or like 
adding little pops of color like

879
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,080
drop shadows and things like 
that. 

880
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,680
Sometimes I will use it for like
really big lettering, especially

881
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,240
like brush lettering, trying to 
be fancy about it. 

882
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,280
But I have a hard time because 
the brush is so thick and I have

883
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,400
0 control when I try to do 
anything with a really thick 

884
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,440
brush, right? 
It's just like OK, now that's 

885
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,400
half the page and it says to do 
day, you know, whatever it is. 

886
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,120
But I really did like it. 
And when you mentioned about it 

887
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,840
being water based, I love it for
that reason too. 

888
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,520
I personally, watercolor is like
my favorite paint medium to work

889
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,440
with. 
But because of that reason, I 

890
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,480
love that it can be very light. 
I love that you can go over it a

891
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,760
few times. 
One of my favorite things that I

892
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,920
ever learned to do with Tombos 
because they are water based was

893
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,840
actually to add like a 
watercolor feature to a page by 

894
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,680
using like a piece of like Saran
wrap or a plastic baggie or any 

895
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,480
type of plastic. 
And you know, you kind of go 

896
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,960
over top of it with your Tombow 
and then you can add a little 

897
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,480
bit of water to it and then 
flip. 

898
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,280
Put upside down on your page and
get this really cool look and 

899
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,000
you know it's safe for your 
notebook because it's Tombo. 

900
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,200
It's the same thing. 
Obviously know your paper and if

901
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,720
you can add a little bit of 
water to it if you want, but I 

902
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,800
know people also blend colors 
that way. 

903
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,560
I can't touching tips together 
with two different markers 

904
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,040
bothers me a lot. 
The same thing with the 

905
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,240
highlighters. 
But you know, to each their own 

906
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,240
and it's just one of those 
things where I feel like they 

907
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,800
can be very versatile. 
You can do a lot with them. 

908
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,640
I've had mine literally since I 
started journaling and I don't 

909
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,000
use them all the time. 
I've definitely collected other 

910
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,080
things instead, but I know that 
they're super reliable. 

911
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,480
I probably need to get another 
black one because I, I actually 

912
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,080
used it the other day and it was
starting to like, I don't know 

913
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,000
the right word, but like fray on
the end or kind of like ghost a 

914
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,480
little. 
I don't know the right word that

915
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,920
I'm thinking of here. 
Feather. 

916
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,400
That's the word that I'm looking
for. 

917
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,680
And it wasn't a nice crisp line.
And I was like, oh, gosh, all 

918
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,920
right, like don't use that brush
pad again because it's not the 

919
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,640
right thing, but it's not out of
ink. 

920
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,200
You know, I don't know. 
But I definitely think that all 

921
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,600
of your reasons are the right 
reasons to really love them. 

922
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,400
I don't have, like you said, 
I've always wanted the whole 

923
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,480
collections, but I know that I'm
not going to use them. 

924
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,720
So I just kind of stopped 
collecting after a while. 

925
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,960
No, that's very fair. 
And I think that there is a lot 

926
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,720
of merit to not getting the full
set, especially if you don't 

927
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,160
think you're going to use all of
the colors. 

928
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,800
Like there are a chunk of the 
ones that are in there that they

929
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,920
are my first version of that 
pen. 

930
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,960
Like I've had that since I first
got it back in, you know, like 

931
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,520
20/17/26 actually. 
Like, yeah, end of 2016 or 

932
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,240
whatnot. 
So I've had those pins for a 

933
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,560
while coming up like 10 almost 
years or whatnot. 

934
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,800
And some of them I just haven't 
used enough to have run out of 

935
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,560
the ink of them, whereas other 
ones like N95 or N89 or 990, 

936
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,800
those ones I have multiples of I
have like a back stock of them. 

937
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,800
I've got my main kind of carry 
case that has all of the like 

938
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,040
individual ones done in the 
rainbow order. 

939
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,520
Like I like them. 
And then the like backlog of 

940
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,840
pens that just like when that 
runs out, because it will, 

941
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,160
because you use it enough. 
Here it is. 

942
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,040
So then at least if I'm doing, 
you know, some kind of setup, 

943
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,360
I'm in the middle of the month 
and then my N 89 precious baby 

944
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,400
runs out or what, but not I know
I have backups of those. 

945
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,600
I also appreciate that these are
a pen that I can actually get in

946
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,760
New Zealand now they are popular
enough that they are actually a 

947
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,200
bit more like locally available.
So I can just jump down to the 

948
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,240
local kind of craft store and 
grab those. 

949
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,200
It is only one craft store. 1 
craft store has them near me and

950
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,320
that's OK because at least it 
means they're accessible. 

951
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,560
In terms of the blending thing, 
though, I do love that you can 

952
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,120
do blending with those. 
I don't blend mine by touching 

953
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,680
the nibs together. 
I'm not doing like chameleon pen

954
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,360
work out here. 
But I do like that because of 

955
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,560
the kind of like water based 
nature of it or whatnot. 

956
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,560
You can put down the lightest 
color 1st and then like build up

957
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,120
layers of it just with the same 
pen to make it a little darker 

958
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,440
and have a gradient done that 
way. 

959
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,520
Or you could do kind of a multi 
colored gradient. 

960
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,600
So like slap down a yellow and 
then an orange and then a red or

961
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,120
whatever and kind of like blend 
those together either with a 

962
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,880
little bit of water or with the 
colorless blender pen or 

963
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,080
whatnot. 
Add some kind of visual interest

964
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,760
in terms of doing lettering with
them. 

965
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,720
I also don't use the brush nib 
for like brush lettering because

966
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,800
it's one of those skills that I 
kept saying like, oh, I really 

967
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,080
need to practice that. 
I really should. 

968
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,840
I was like shooting all over 
myself and like, I really should

969
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,280
practice this because it's 
something that bullet 

970
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,480
journalists just do. 
I never got around to it. 

971
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,040
Nowadays I just like don't care.
I'm not going to practice 

972
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,840
lettering like that. 
I would rather just find a nice 

973
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,560
font online printed off on stick
of paper and stick it into my 

974
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,320
notebook because I ain't got 
time to learn how to letter. 

975
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,760
Like it's just not something 
that I actually feel like I'm 

976
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,600
going to invest the time, effort
and energy into. 

977
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,920
But I did always love seeing 
people do lettering with the 

978
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,920
brush nib. 
What I would be more likely to 

979
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,840
do though, if I was going to do 
lettering with them outside of 

980
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,840
occasionally dabbling and 
gradient lettering, which was 

981
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,120
kind of fun, I would just use 
the Bullet nib. 

982
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,240
And then this is where I would 
get out my .38 pin. 

983
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:59,080
Like my one use that I had for 
my .38 pin is doing the fine 

984
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,920
lining around the outside of it 
because it was that really thin 

985
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,360
line that was sufficient to kind
of make it pop. 

986
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,080
And then you could use a, you 
know, different Tombow, usually 

987
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,760
a Gray one to add a little drop 
shadow or whatnot and then maybe

988
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,240
add a little bit of like a white
highlight to it or something, 

989
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,400
depending on which nib you used.
If you use the Bullet nib, then 

990
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,560
I'm probably not going to go in 
and add a white highlight to it 

991
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,480
because you just, it's like 
white out. 

992
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,520
You just white out your 
lettering or something. 

993
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,080
But if it was the brush nib and 
I had done some kind of like 

994
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,040
gradient through it, put the 
drop shadow in, done that kind 

995
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,440
of fine lining or whatnot, 
adding a little white highlight 

996
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,640
to make it look a little 3 
dimensional was kind of fun. 

997
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,320
So there was a period where that
was the type of journaling I was

998
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,640
doing. 
It was really, really fun for 

999
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,800
using in that way. 
Nowadays it's just like, hey 

1000
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,880
second line, highlight my baby, 
I love you. 

1001
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,600
Yeah, I remember way back in the
day too, always wanting to the 

1002
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,120
people that do the big brush 
lettering. 

1003
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,960
It's beautiful. 
I remember a lot of like the 

1004
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,360
other art accounts would have 
people like do classes. 

1005
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,160
There's some people that have 
like whole courses on how to do 

1006
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,320
the brush lettering and, and I 
love them for that. 

1007
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,000
I've definitely tried it. 
And there's something very fun 

1008
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520
about like a bouncy brush 
letter, you know, like that's 

1009
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,880
always what you see. 
And I tried and it's, it's just 

1010
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,760
not me. 
I want it to be me. 

1011
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,160
I want it to look nice. 
I was talking, I did a live 

1012
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,600
recently and I was talking about
lettering. 

1013
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,880
I was like, you know what, I 
should just do a lettering video

1014
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,400
and like as an average everyday 
human, that's not like a big 

1015
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,920
bouncy brush letter. 
Like how do you do it though? 

1016
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,360
Like how could you maybe do 
that? 

1017
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,080
Or like calligraphy or things 
like that. 

1018
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,240
It's like a a total person that 
just kind of learned it on my 

1019
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,640
own and people were like, I 
would love that video. 

1020
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,160
Like I would totally do that. 
And I was like, OK, maybe I 

1021
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,240
should follow through. 
So it's on my To Do List of 

1022
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,080
things to do because there's 
different types of brushes too, 

1023
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,560
like Tombo makes 1. 
I remember everyone, it was like

1024
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,080
a really hard tip brush pen and 
that was one that what a lot of 

1025
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,520
people like. 
Do you remember the name of it? 

1026
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,480
I can't. 
Yeah, no, that was the Tombow 

1027
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,040
Footnoske. 
There you go. 

1028
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,520
Because I could never say it. 
So that's what exactly it. 

1029
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,600
So like that was one that I 
really liked because for me it 

1030
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,280
was nicer with that harder brush
tip. 

1031
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Again, I knew nothing about 
brush lettering, right? 

1032
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,040
So I was like, they're all the 
same. 

1033
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,040
And you find that and you're 
like, Oh no, like this is next 

1034
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,720
level because I can get that 
look of that brush lettering, 

1035
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,760
but it's not super thick. 
It's kind of thin actually and 

1036
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,040
looked really nice. 
So that's definitely one that I 

1037
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,920
definitely say like first time, 
it was great to have worked out 

1038
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,160
nicely. 
I don't know. 

1039
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,880
I would say Tumble overall makes
some really nice brush pens. 

1040
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,000
If I'm comparing them to others,
whether it's off brand or I even

1041
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,040
thinking about like the 
coleographs from Archer and 

1042
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,720
Olive, like I feel like I've had
more issues with those. 

1043
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,520
I've never had an issue ever 
with Tombow. 

1044
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,880
Like they've never gotten like 
weird or grimy or anything like 

1045
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,560
that. 
Where like I know some of my 

1046
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,440
other coleographs like 
crystallized over, but like I've

1047
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,640
never had that happen with 
those, which makes me wonder 

1048
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,080
like what's different about 
those versus the other? 

1049
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,480
If they're all water based, I 
don't I don't know the 

1050
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,760
difference. 
Yeah, I have had one of my 

1051
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,560
tombows do the looks like it's 
growing tree bits type of the 

1052
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,960
deal. 
You know, like, you know, like 

1053
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,160
you see the trees in the forest 
and they've got those kind of 

1054
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,840
like fungi that would grow out 
in like layers like that. 

1055
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,400
It always looked like crystal 
rock to me, like a geode, you 

1056
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,720
know, like it kind of just was 
like crystallizing over top. 

1057
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:08,240
And I was like, is this safe? 
Can I still use it? 

1058
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,360
I'm just gonna throw it away. 
This is kind of gross. 

1059
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,320
You know, I would for those 
ones, like the ones that I had 

1060
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,040
from Tombow, because I've only 
had it happen like maybe once or

1061
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,480
twice and it was definitely like
it didn't arrive like that. 

1062
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,600
So I'm like, what did I do? 
Did I breathe on you wrong? 

1063
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,160
Like am I like, you know, making
you into a science experiment or

1064
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,120
whatnot? 
Calliographs, though I have had 

1065
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,640
some of those arrive and be a 
little naff like in the kind of 

1066
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,120
like scale of my pen set, not 
sufficiently, but like enough 

1067
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,280
that it was like you were doing 
you're doing a worse job than my

1068
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,240
Tombos are type of a deal or 
whatnot. 

1069
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,840
But I didn't least appreciate 
with the Calla graphs, you do 

1070
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,240
get to brush nibs. 
So you get that final one, which

1071
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:49,080
is a little bit less flexible, a
little harder tip, which I find 

1072
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,280
is just a little bit more 
beginner friendly when it comes 

1073
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,080
to lettering. 
Like if you're using it for 

1074
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,560
lettering, specifically the 
Tombos with the like you know, 

1075
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,200
Tombo tool brush markers. 
With the nib being as large as 

1076
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,880
it is, it is a little bit more 
unruly. 

1077
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,520
Typically speaking, to get your 
letter forms looking nice, you 

1078
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,080
do just have to do bigger letter
forms, which in an A5 journal 

1079
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,280
that's starting to take up a 
fair bit of space. 

1080
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,320
Yeah, you have to like really 
learn about like the angle and 

1081
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,200
the pressure to try to get that.
I mean, it's really like drawing

1082
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,480
with a brush, right? 
That's essentially what it is 

1083
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,360
without dipping it in paint. 
So it is definitely one of those

1084
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,400
things where like if you are 
giving the time to it to learn 

1085
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,360
how to brush with it, like props
to you. 

1086
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Me and Jess are in the same boat
here. 

1087
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,320
We're, we're underlining stuff 
real quick and a little fun and,

1088
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,640
and then we're like, and let's 
move on to writing the rest of 

1089
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,560
our notebook. 
Yeah, One of my favorite ways to

1090
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,200
use Tomos decoratively though, 
is just to take the nib and kind

1091
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,000
of press it down onto the page 
from the tip and making 

1092
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,080
effectively like these little 
petals almost. 

1093
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Or you can make it as kind of 
little, no confetti lines or 

1094
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,400
something like that. 
You can kind of add them to the 

1095
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,800
start of a header and just be 
like pop kind of a thing. 

1096
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,120
Those are kind of cute. 
That's not something I do a lot,

1097
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,360
but when I do it, it always 
feels very satisfying, like, oh,

1098
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,520
very cute. 
But if you've used your Tombow 

1099
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,800
sufficiently that the end is a 
little bit fluffy, a little 

1100
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,320
frayed or whatnot, then you 
don't really have that kind of 

1101
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,680
crisp point to it, which isn't 
as fun. 

1102
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,200
When you mentioned the idea of 
like, what do I do with these? 

1103
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,480
Like do I keep them because the 
ink is still good or whatnot? 

1104
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:20,160
I, I was keeping mine because I 
don't like throwing things away 

1105
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,960
that I still feel have a 
function or whatnot. 

1106
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,840
I'm like, well, I can still use 
you to color in. 

1107
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,000
I can still, you know, do XYZ 
with you, but I need one that 

1108
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,240
has that really kind of like 
pointed nib. 

1109
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:31,880
So I will get one with the 
pointed nib, bring that into my 

1110
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,440
collection, and then I'll just 
have them both there. 

1111
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,960
But then I just use the one with
the pointed nib. 

1112
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,920
So eventually when I did my 
declutter, I'm like, look girl, 

1113
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,480
you're not using it. 
It's just taking up space. 

1114
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,640
It's time to let it go. 
Thank you for serving your 

1115
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,960
purpose. 
I appreciate you. 

1116
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,880
Goodbye. 
Yeah, 100%. 

1117
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,800
What would be your next 1 
though? 

1118
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,560
Yeah. 
So mine would be another 

1119
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,480
fountain pen because, you know, 
let me just tell you how hard 

1120
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,720
this was because when we were, I
mean, we didn't technically 

1121
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:00,560
limit ourselves, but I know we 
could talk forever. 

1122
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,920
Like I said, I would pull out 
every single pen that I own and 

1123
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,520
be like, this is my favorite 
pen. 

1124
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,440
But when I really think about 
like what do I have a lot of and

1125
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,760
why this was the next one. 
So Twisby Geicos are it's 

1126
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,320
similar to the Lami's for me. 
You come get them in so many 

1127
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:21,680
different colors. 
I actually think that the Twisby

1128
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,400
pens are even more fountain pen 
newbie friendly than the Lami's 

1129
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,280
because everything is built into
this pen. 

1130
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,600
So like after I had my, my very 
first Lami, the Twisby was the 

1131
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,600
very first fountain pen that I 
bought on my own as like my next

1132
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,560
pen. 
And then it just grew and grew 

1133
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,120
and grew and, and grew and grew 
and grew, right. 

1134
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,040
But what I love about it, and 
it's hard because I actually 

1135
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,160
have two of them inked up 
currently because that's how 

1136
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,440
much I love them. 
But essentially, like inside of 

1137
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,840
the pen, you'll see this little 
piston here and all you have to 

1138
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,920
do is just turn it and then 
that's down and you put it in 

1139
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,480
your ink and you turn it the 
other way and it sucks it up and

1140
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,320
like that's it. 
You don't have to take anything 

1141
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,680
apart. 
You don't have to do very much 

1142
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,360
cleaning. 
It can be very easy. 

1143
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,880
You just stick it in clean 
water, suck it up, spit it out 

1144
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,800
somewhere else and do that a few
times and you got a clean pen. 

1145
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,840
But like they're just really 
great. 

1146
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,880
And I love again, like the 
personality. 

1147
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,480
When I talk about fountain pens,
you all see me get very excited.

1148
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,520
You probably hear to my voice. 
But like fountain pens are just 

1149
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,320
a really great way to like show 
off your personality and show 

1150
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,080
off what you like and what you 
love. 

1151
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,680
And I think what the twis bees, 
I think with the law means, 

1152
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,600
because there are so many 
different versions and and ways 

1153
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,760
that you can use them. 
You know, like I have some that 

1154
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,800
have like really nice college 
with like brass accents on them,

1155
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,040
right? 
The one that I gifted to Jess 

1156
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,000
has like a really cool like 
iridescent look to it, right? 

1157
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,680
You can get those two. 
Like it really is fantastic. 

1158
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,360
And with a lot of these, when 
you're just using just a little 

1159
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,600
piston fill here, you realize 
like it's not as intimidating as

1160
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,040
you think it is, right? 
Same thing on a price 

1161
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,480
standpoint, they're a little bit
more than Malami's can be, 

1162
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,200
especially when you get into 
like some specialty colors, but 

1163
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,600
like just a transparent like 
yellow one. 

1164
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,000
Again, it could be like $25, 
like $30.00 for a pen that 

1165
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,080
literally you will use forever. 
Like these are or not, you know,

1166
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,960
the ink runs out and you're 
like, well, throw it in the 

1167
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,080
trash. 
No, that's why I also love 

1168
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,520
fountain pens because you never 
feel like you're ever not using 

1169
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,720
something all the way and then 
you refill it up later on if you

1170
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,680
want to. 
So because of how easy 

1171
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,360
accessible they are, it's great.
I think you'd actually buy them 

1172
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,320
off of Amazon now. 
Like that's how broad and out 

1173
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,440
there they are. 
Like you can get them in really 

1174
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,600
nice and easy ways. 
I don't necessarily know about 

1175
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,920
like the variety on some of 
those sites, but you can go to 

1176
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,040
like a regular pen store and, 
and, and get them right. 

1177
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,400
Like it's not like you have to 
go to like an exclusive pens 

1178
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,920
place to like try to make this 
happen or I'm not quite sure. 

1179
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,000
You can always find them. 
And again, they come in so many 

1180
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,440
different sizes, the nib sizes, 
depending on how you like to 

1181
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,560
write. 
I have never done it. 

1182
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,680
But if you really wanted to like
instead of like buying a whole 

1183
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,320
new pen, but I don't know why 
you would do this. 

1184
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,440
You could just do the same 
thing. 

1185
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,920
You just buy the nib. 
That's the right eyes and 

1186
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,160
replace it out of your pens. 
Like there's a lot you can do 

1187
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,880
with it. 
Honestly, you can do that with 

1188
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,400
like every fountain pen. 
I don't like to think about that

1189
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,080
because I love pens so much that
I'm like, I'm going to have one 

1190
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,960
pen an extra fine and I'm going 
to have the other one at a fine 

1191
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,520
point and I'm going to have this
one in medium and broad. 

1192
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,200
And then I'm like, but I really 
like the color of this one. 

1193
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,000
It's always a lot of fun and I 
also really like the variety 

1194
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,160
too. 
This is a different. 

1195
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,040
This is technically eco, but 
it's called the diamond. 

1196
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,920
What is it? 
580 ALR. 

1197
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,360
But this ones nice. 
It looks the same. 

1198
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,320
This cost a little bit more, but
it's because the details are a 

1199
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,440
bit nicer like you've got like 
more of the aluminum. 

1200
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,200
The other thing too now that 
you've mentioned about the pen 

1201
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,920
holders, it's just a regular 
circular holder here. 

1202
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,840
So whether you have a gremlin 
grip or just a regular grip, 

1203
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,240
you're good to go this one 
because it's a little bit nicer 

1204
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,280
has a little bit of actual like 
ridging on the metal right So 

1205
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,560
like you can hold it and it's a 
good textile feel, but they look

1206
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,040
really cool. 
They come in a lot of different 

1207
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,880
colors, and like I said, I think
they're even more fountain pen 

1208
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,600
friendly for newbies in the 
because you don't have to do 

1209
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,120
anything. 
It's all right there out of the 

1210
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,240
package. 
Yeah, I was thinking about like 

1211
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,400
as you were going through, which
I'm going to keep calling it 

1212
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Lamey. 
It's not the name, it's lame. 

1213
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,440
But I do think that at least 
where I'm based, I know that 

1214
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,280
Lami is more accessible. 
Like you can actually get it in 

1215
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,440
stores here. 
I don't know if you can get 

1216
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,440
Twisby's in store here, which I 
mean, no, no harm, no foul. 

1217
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,320
I got a twinsby, so it doesn't 
even matter. 

1218
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,040
I got my one. 
Don't say that you don't need 

1219
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,760
another one. 
Yes, you need another one. 

1220
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,040
I think about it all the time 
because I'm like you're never 

1221
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,280
going to change the ink in the 
one that I gave you. 

1222
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,200
I know that you're not going to,
even though I gave you the ink, 

1223
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,680
even though I tell you how easy 
it is. 

1224
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,240
I've sent you the videos, 
literally a one-on-one video on 

1225
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,440
how to change the ink inside of 
your pen because that's how much

1226
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,520
I want you to do it and you're 
not. 

1227
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,880
So at this point in my life, I'm
thinking I just need to buy 

1228
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,560
another one and send it to you. 
So you're forced to fill it with

1229
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,280
just black ink. 
You've had that for over a year,

1230
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,360
Jazz like you've had so. 
Much left like look it, no so 

1231
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,240
much so. 
Ink, but that's The thing is 

1232
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:05,560
that if you were to, I guarantee
if you were to literally turn 

1233
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,240
that no ink would even come out 
of the pen. 

1234
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:11,760
Like there's like there's that's
more probably ink that's inside 

1235
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,240
of the feed that it is. 
Like you actually can't empty 

1236
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,200
that pad because there's not 
even enough ink. 

1237
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,000
There's more air in your pen 
than there is ink right now. 

1238
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,480
Yeah, there definitely is. 
I'm looking at it. 

1239
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,760
I'm just like, oh, she is she 
thirsty? 

1240
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,640
It's time and you know what just
if you don't want to, you can 

1241
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,560
actually just fill it with 
another color and then you get a

1242
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,520
really cool mix of color, but 
you need to fill that with a 

1243
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,760
black ink next no matter what 
you do because I feel like if 

1244
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,040
you fill it with a really nice 
black ink, you'll actually use 

1245
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,360
it. 
I gave you carbon black. 

1246
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,960
Don't let people tell you it's 
going to stain your pen. 

1247
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,400
I literally have this blue in 
here which will probably stain 

1248
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,960
my pen. 
Carbon black won't. 

1249
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,520
I'll tell you how to clean it 
out if you need to, but if you 

1250
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,240
put that in that I guarantee 
you'll use it more because it's 

1251
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,960
a color that you actually use. 
I mean, you're not wrong. 

1252
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,880
I'm wondering like, Oh yeah, if 
I just suck up the black ink and

1253
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,760
then just like gradually 
overtime just increase how dark 

1254
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,320
it is, eventually we'll get to 
the point where it is the black 

1255
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,320
black. 
But I really like TikTok croc. 

1256
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,360
It's really pretty. 
It's just I don't write in green

1257
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,880
ink. 
Great color, absolutely. 

1258
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,120
I'm telling you you'll love it. 
But it's really easy to do. 

1259
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,160
Like I said, I've literally a 
planner pals. 

1260
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,480
I literally just one night. 
I don't even know what time it 

1261
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,440
was. 
It was AM for you and you were 

1262
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,120
like, how would I go about 
cleaning this out? 

1263
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,520
I literally got out of bed and I
filmed something on my phone of 

1264
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,600
like, here's all you have to do 
like so easy. 

1265
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,440
And that was like 6 months or so
ago. 

1266
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,600
Yeah, no, the hyperfixation 
passed. 

1267
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,320
And so then I'm just like, Oh 
no, that's cool. 

1268
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,480
I'll put that in the backlog of 
projects that I'll never get 

1269
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,560
back to. 
So, yeah, you can tell that I'm 

1270
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,680
like very like passionate about 
Jess actually using a Fountain 

1271
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,560
fan. 
But it's not even because I feel

1272
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,200
like like, oh, because I love 
it. 

1273
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,400
You'll like it too. 
I just think that it's a really 

1274
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,040
fun way to include more writing 
inside of your journal and your 

1275
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,040
planners. 
They're just writing on 

1276
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,400
anything. 
I think that's a great thing 

1277
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,840
too. 
Just about like all the pens 

1278
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,400
that we talked about today Also 
is that, you know, writing is 

1279
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,680
such an important part of 
journaling, especially if you 

1280
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,200
are analog planner or you just 
like to take notes. 

1281
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,040
It's not something that I 
appreciated as a young kid as 

1282
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,280
much as I love collecting pens 
and different things like that, 

1283
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,880
right? 
I was just a collector at heart.

1284
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,600
You know, I, I kind of look back
now and think about that, that I

1285
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,560
think when you find a pen that 
you really like or a style or a 

1286
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,160
brand, you, you start to play 
around with that and see that. 

1287
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,680
And then you start to think a 
little bit more like, oh, what 

1288
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,920
if I tried something else? 
Like what if there is something 

1289
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,160
else out there? 
I mean, for a long time I did 

1290
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,320
not think that there was 
anything else out there other 

1291
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,720
than this like uniball signal. 
But when you do talk to other 

1292
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,280
people or try it out yourself, 
you suddenly realize like 

1293
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:39,880
there's a lot more fun to have 
in it. 

1294
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,240
And so that's why I like again, 
fountain pens have become my new

1295
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,560
thing because I'm like, this is 
my personality and I can put any

1296
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,200
type of ink in here that I want 
to. 

1297
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,240
And it's so fun. 
It definitely is something to 

1298
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:55,280
get over if you're like, no, no 
black ink in my notebook can't 

1299
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,000
be different on every page. 
But maybe fountain pens aren't 

1300
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,440
the thing for you unless you're 
going to use one pen and 1 ink. 

1301
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,080
But that's boring, right? 
I think that it depending on the

1302
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,480
kind of person that you are, 
you'd get to a point where 

1303
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,120
you're like, I don't really care
about that anymore. 

1304
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,040
And so weird thing to say as a 
person who was like, I will only

1305
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,160
write with one pen in my 
notebook and I have like 3 years

1306
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,360
worth of notebooks that are just
like black, you know, this pen, 

1307
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,560
well, not this pen because this 
one manure this pen for years. 

1308
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,120
But then now like flipping 
through my notebook, it is so 

1309
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,880
much more fun. 
I'm like, oh, that was a cool 

1310
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,600
color. 
Oh crap, that one bled through 

1311
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,360
the page. 
This one wasn't great. 

1312
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,360
I hated that pen. 
It just creates a little bit 

1313
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,800
more fun and excitement in your 
life. 

1314
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,480
No, I think that as somebody who
is like pen enthusiasts like 

1315
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,920
yourself, that would be like 
kind of fun trip down memory 

1316
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,480
lane. 
Like, oh, you know, I remember 

1317
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,600
when I got this one and I was 
really enthusiastic about it. 

1318
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,680
And I like really love the broad
nibble on this one, really fun 

1319
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,080
to letter with or whatnot. 
Whereas my kind of style of 

1320
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,200
planning in terms of like 
looking back, I'm just like, Oh 

1321
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,160
yeah, remember when I used to 
draw everything? 

1322
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,400
Oh, remember when I started 
first getting into washi tapes? 

1323
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,360
Remember when I first started 
getting into stickers or 

1324
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,200
whatnot? 
So I think that for the most 

1325
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,960
part, because I don't have that 
same kind of like I don't say 

1326
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,440
like attachment depends because 
I'm not going to try and like 

1327
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,080
insinuate that you're out here. 
Just like no pressure is like 

1328
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,000
this is the BL and indolent 
journaling supplies I. 

1329
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,080
Don't know I am. 
I mean, like, yeah, but I was 

1330
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,680
going to call it out. 
Now you call it out, I literally

1331
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,120
added two more tears to my 
pegboard behind me to put even 

1332
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,680
more fountain pens out because 
to me, it's like they're almost 

1333
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,440
like art. 
Like, that was the whole idea in

1334
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,920
my like, pegboard that I have in
my space with the fountain pens 

1335
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,960
out is like, they are beautiful 
to look at. 

1336
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,360
I love writing with them. 
And it's like an art 

1337
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,240
installation. 
It's basically how I sold it to 

1338
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,560
my wife. 
It's like I'm spending all this 

1339
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,360
money because it's like an art 
installation. 

1340
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,880
Like we have to have this. 
But I think it is just the 

1341
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,040
really fun part. 
Like, yeah, I mean, I'd even go 

1342
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,200
into like, maker pens or 
anything else like that because 

1343
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,360
that's getting very, very niche 
and in most cases, very, very 

1344
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:50,920
expensive. 
I wanted to be like, 

1345
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,120
approachable in here. 
And I know there's some people 

1346
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,160
out there that are like, oh, I'm
not paying $3 for an ink pen. 

1347
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,040
Like, that's ridiculous, right? 
And some people who think 

1348
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,920
spending, you know, $80 on, like
a fancier Twisby is way too 

1349
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,040
much. 
But like fighting that space in 

1350
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,480
between where you're like, oh, 
you know what? 

1351
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,920
If you're going to invest in a 
pen that you're going to use all

1352
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,040
the time, you might as well 
really love it. 

1353
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,840
Like that's what I think I love 
so much about pens as a whole 

1354
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,600
when people are asking you, 
because it is. 

1355
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,720
So specific to like your 
identity sometimes and like who 

1356
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,960
you are. 
And I love giving advice for 

1357
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,040
things like this. 
I think that when people see you

1358
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,360
using certain pens or they ask 
you about it, you can give that 

1359
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,600
advice and like introduce 
someone to something new, even 

1360
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,400
if it is just like the Sarasa, 
you know, Mark on versus like 

1361
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,400
the BIC that they're using right
now. 

1362
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,360
Each to their own. 
No, I do think that also it's 

1363
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,080
quite interesting to see how 
your pen preferences will kind 

1364
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,680
of change over time. 
Like when I first started, I was

1365
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,800
using, I'm pretty sure I was 
using a creative memories fine 

1366
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,960
liner because it was the only 
thing that I had that looked 

1367
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,760
semi similar to what I was 
seeing online. 

1368
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,480
Because I'm like, oh, I want to 
do it that way. 

1369
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,320
Like I want to have a fine liner
pen and all the fine liner pens 

1370
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,360
actually work for me. 
But eventually I graduated from 

1371
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,560
that to actually buying my own 
1. 

1372
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,480
And I'm pretty sure I was using 
like the Sharpie fine point, 

1373
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,560
fine liner type thing because I 
was like, oh, the quality of 

1374
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,040
black on this. 
This is better than the one I 

1375
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,040
was using because the one I was 
using was like old. 

1376
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,200
It had seen some things and 
eventually it was like, okay, 

1377
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,640
well, that one, I don't really 
love that when I go over it with

1378
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,240
an eraser, it's kind of Gray. 
So I graduated to the fabric 

1379
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,080
Castel pit artist pen because 
that was looking a little bit 

1380
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,480
better and it had different line
weights and all of that kind of 

1381
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,400
thing. 
So that was kind of nice, and 

1382
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,400
eventually I just came to the 
realization like, no, if you're 

1383
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,000
going to do everyday writing, 
you prefer a ballpoint. 

1384
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,760
We just need to find a pen that 
has a ballpoint. 

1385
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,560
Yeah, and it's crazy too, when 
you go down that route, because 

1386
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,720
right now I just put in like a 
massive stationary order and it 

1387
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,320
got a lot of new pens and inks 
and I was going through because 

1388
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,640
even like Lami, for instance, 
has ballpoint pens instead of 

1389
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,680
fountain pens. 
And so it's like, what are those

1390
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,440
things where I never even look 
at the ballpoint pens anymore 

1391
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,760
because I'm like, who wants 
that? 

1392
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,040
But you can get really nice 
ballpoint pens like you can get 

1393
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,840
like gold and silver, like 
Plated and Platinum and 

1394
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,600
everything else, but as a 
ballpoint versus a fountain pen.

1395
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,000
And it's just one of those 
things, I guess, where you're 

1396
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,120
just, you are, you're investing 
in what you're doing every 

1397
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,440
single day. 
So you might as well have fun 

1398
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,960
with it, you know, and like I 
said, I mean, maybe you're not 

1399
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,800
buying five $100 pens to write 
with all the time, but you're 

1400
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,480
going to be a little precious 
about the one you didn't spend 

1401
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,040
that money on. 
But if you use it every single 

1402
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,920
day or you have it in like a 
spot where, you know, you sit 

1403
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,320
down and, you know, do your 
bills or do whatever, I'm just a

1404
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,280
firm believer that like enjoying
what you're writing and how 

1405
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,920
you're writing to such like a 
really enjoyable part of 

1406
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,880
writing. 
Like I hated writing when I was 

1407
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,520
younger and now I do it every 
single day. 

1408
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,000
Like most people be like, don't 
know, I'm just going to type now

1409
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,480
instead, like I don't need to 
write with my hands. 

1410
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,000
But like when you really enjoy 
it and you find something you 

1411
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,400
love, it's like, this is cool. 
And then people just know to 

1412
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,280
come to you. 
And it's for me, it's a really 

1413
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,320
good feeling when someone's 
like, I know that you really 

1414
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,640
like pens. 
I have a few questions and I'm 

1415
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,440
like, and let's talk about it. 
What you got? 

1416
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,640
Yeah, I think that enjoyment is 
a big part and my next pick is 

1417
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,440
definitely an enjoyment based 
one. 

1418
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,440
That one being dog markers, like
and we talked about it last time

1419
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,160
or like previously Jess was a 
hater. 

1420
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:07,840
She was like, why do you need a 
dog marker? 

1421
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,560
I can draw a circle. 
I have tomos. 

1422
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,880
Like I have the ability, 
especially with something that 

1423
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,760
size, if it's slightly 
amorphous, who cares? 

1424
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,680
I care. 
Oh, I love them so much. 

1425
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,600
I use them all the time. 
I'm not usually out here making 

1426
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,200
a full kind of like bulleted 
list of dot points with them, 

1427
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,240
but I do love to use them to 
just highlight like this is the 

1428
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,760
most important thing of the day.
Pay attention to this. 

1429
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,000
Like please cast 9 gaze upon 
this task because that is what 

1430
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,800
you need to get done. 
Or I'll use them for decoration.

1431
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,360
Like I'm not out here doing 
hardcore dot art, but some 

1432
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,040
people do like they do very 
beautiful designs with them and 

1433
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,240
such. 
But I do like to add a little 

1434
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,840
bit of kind of your visual 
interest to the corner of a page

1435
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,480
or something, fill in a little 
bit of white space because I'm 

1436
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,360
like allergic to it or 
something. 

1437
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,680
I've also used it on a monthly 
calendar to like highlight the 

1438
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,520
day numbers or whatnot. 
So you just have that kind of 

1439
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,600
like dedicated spot to put the 
numbers in. 

1440
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,960
I don't really use monthly 
calendars anymore, so I don't 

1441
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,120
use it like that anymore, but I 
did I when I first got them, I 

1442
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,080
was like, OK, we'll try these 
out because they're kind of 

1443
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,600
interesting I suppose. 
And maybe we can like make a 

1444
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,120
video for it or something like 
that. 

1445
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,440
Not really expecting that I was 
going to enjoy them enough to 

1446
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,680
actually use them on a 
day-to-day counter basis. 

1447
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,440
But now they are a daily use, 
like every day I'm getting out 

1448
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,720
my dot market to dot the thing 
that is going to be the most 

1449
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,520
important at the very least. 
Sometimes I'll use it on like a 

1450
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,200
habit tracker or whatnot. 
You can use it on a year at a 

1451
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,560
glance calendar to highlight 
specific days. 

1452
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,640
I use a lot of them for like 
kind of more functional reasons 

1453
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,880
or things that like help me use 
my journal productively, I 

1454
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,640
suppose, but they're just a lot 
of fun. 

1455
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,000
I love using them little dot 
dot. 

1456
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,720
It's so funny that, like, that's
definitely your thing. 

1457
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,280
Like, even last episode you were
talking about how much you 

1458
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,640
loved, like, the markers right 
now. 

1459
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,800
The comment section was just 
like equal love for the dot 

1460
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,040
markers as well as it went down,
which was amazing. 

1461
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,360
Yeah. 
It's just not the one that I 

1462
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,040
typically go and grab for, you 
know, it's definitely something 

1463
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,200
I'm like, oh, I want to do this 
thing. 

1464
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,120
Oh, I forgot. 
I have all these dot markers. 

1465
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,320
I should probably use them. 
So to hear that is really fun. 

1466
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,520
I think that like, no, like this
is it for me. 

1467
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,000
And like you said, it changes 
over time. 

1468
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,800
Like you said, just was a hater.
I definitely was a hater too. 

1469
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,280
I can't say like I'm a core 
lover, but like I'm an 

1470
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,720
appreciator of the dot marker, 
you know, to say like it has a 

1471
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,520
job to do, it can be fun. 
But like even seeing that over 

1472
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,520
time and progressing through and
how it changes and who knows a 

1473
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,600
year from now when we do a 
similar episode of like what's 

1474
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,360
our favorite of this year, we 
might not even know who the dot 

1475
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,440
marker is anymore. 
We may have found a square 

1476
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,360
marker instead of a dot that 
like you, like no squares 

1477
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,040
instead of dots now, who knows? 
Or just something like, I don't 

1478
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,720
even do that. 
Like Jess is going to become 

1479
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,680
this like ultra minimalist like 
you. 

1480
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,360
You started as this like 
maximalist with all the colors 

1481
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,760
and all the brush bends and 
drawing and all this stuff. 

1482
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,040
And then like next year you're 
going to be like the hardcore 

1483
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,680
straight laced, like 1 pen, one 
notebook, no decoration 

1484
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,640
whatsoever. 
No, that'll never be you. 

1485
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,640
But it's just funny to see that 
it's like a maturity over time, 

1486
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,120
but not that you're growing out 
of it. 

1487
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,760
You're just refining your your 
likes and your loves. 

1488
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,320
You know, it's going to be me 
next year with like this episode

1489
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:06,760
being like our favorite pens 
from the year. 

1490
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,040
And you're just like, I love 
this fountain pen. 

1491
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,920
I love this fountain pen. 
I'll be like, I have this 

1492
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,400
mechanical keyboard now because 
everything is digital and I've 

1493
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,880
scrapped all my notebooks. 
And you know what? 

1494
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,200
And nothing would be wrong with 
that. 

1495
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:19,520
Jess is actually like my 
favorite pen is not even 

1496
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:20,560
something you'll hold in your 
hand. 

1497
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,840
Now it is. 
I draw with my eyes. 

1498
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,720
That's how I click on my screen 
when I want something with my 

1499
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,920
eyes. 
I don't write anymore that would

1500
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,760
be. 
Just like motion tracking to say

1501
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,240
where I'm looking to like add 
toss. 

1502
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,800
You're like, actually don't 
write my hands are now it's just

1503
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,160
got like the pros on or whatever
they're called and you're just 

1504
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,880
like touching into the sky to 
like move all of your things 

1505
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,440
along and around. 
It would be fantastic that. 

1506
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,480
Was just VR planning with like a
like VR keyboard just like. 

1507
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,840
I'm not gonna lie to you. 
I think the other reason I want 

1508
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,680
like vision pros or Samsung just
came out with a very similar XRS

1509
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,080
or something they're called I 
don't know is because I want to 

1510
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,560
look like I'm in minority 
report. 

1511
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:02,000
Like I want to like put my task 
list over here and click it over

1512
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,400
here. 
So like as I'm working, it can 

1513
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,840
be like next thing done, done. 
But, you know, like, I, I don't 

1514
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,120
know, I, I think that would be 
so fun, but I would miss the 

1515
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,280
tactileness of writing because 
it's been such a big part of my 

1516
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,160
life now and will be forever. 
Like, I'm going to have pens and

1517
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,360
I'm going to be able to give to 
like my children and my 

1518
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,000
grandkids in the future. 
Like, that's my goal at this 

1519
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,320
point. 
Some people, you know, have 

1520
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,200
jewelry. 
I have fountain pens and. 

1521
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,600
These are the family elements, 
like family jewels, kind of a 

1522
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,480
thing that cost down through the
generations. 

1523
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,440
Yeah, like I hope that when I 
get older, no one's like, what 

1524
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:38,160
is all this crap that that that 
grandpa had like from the grave?

1525
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,360
Like, don't you dare. 
That ink is still good. 

1526
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:41,960
There's a little bit left in 
that pen. 

1527
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,200
Don't you dare throw that away. 
My dad was literally talking 

1528
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:46,400
with me about this the other 
day. 

1529
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,120
Not specifically pens, but more 
so like models because he does 

1530
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,720
figurines and such and think 
about, you know, Oh well, I 

1531
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,960
really want to get the maximum 
enjoyment out of them possible. 

1532
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,400
So I'm probably not going to 
sell them on before I pass type 

1533
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,880
of a thing. 
And he's like, and then it'll be

1534
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,200
your problem. 
I'm like, Yep, thanks dad. 

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01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,200
Always love thinking about that.
Awesome. 

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And already I'm like, Oh no, we 
would put that inside of a, you 

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know, a chest or thing to show 
them up on the wall because 

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they're just that cool. 
Well, slightly morbid ending 

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aside, planner Powers, we would 
love to know what are your 

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favorite pens, whether they're 
just regular writing pens, 

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whether they're the fanciest of 
the fountain pens that are out 

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01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,720
there or the fanciest of the 
regular writing pens that aren't

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,040
fountain pens, but you still 
love them. 

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01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:25,439
We want to know. 
We want you to penable us. 

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01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,920
Please let us know what we need 
to put on our shopping list or 

1546
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,760
our wish list so that maybe we 
could get some of those before 

1547
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,439
the new year. 
Let us know either in the 

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01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,479
comments on YouTube or you can 
help us up at 

1549
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,120
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or 
head over to Instagram at 

1550
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,560
Planner Pals Podcast. 
As always, just I love talking 

1551
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,319
about pens. 
I think we need another fountain

1552
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:43,880
pen episode, maybe in the new 
year. 

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01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,200
If you can, if you can stomach 
it again, I would love to do it 

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01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,560
because it's so much fun. 
And maybe by that time you will 

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01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,439
actually have changed the ink 
inside of your pen or maybe a 

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01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,160
new one. 
You never know, like what could 

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01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,840
happen in the future. 
All right, planner pals. 

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01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,840
Well, thank you so much for 
hanging out with us today 

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01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,200
talking about our favorite pens.
We can't wait to hear from you, 

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and we'll talk to you next time.