1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,440 Hello and welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,120 by two true planner pals. My name is Mark and I go by Mark 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,720 Your pages. And I'm Jess or Jessica Ren, and 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,200 I'm very excited for today's episode because it's just like 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,080 one of those opportunities to dream big. 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,640 But before we get into it, a big shout out to what I'm calling 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,080 the Planner Pal Patrons. If you have an actual official 8 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:20,920 name that you'd like to be called, you let us know. 9 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:23,720 But the people who are part of our YouTube membership, they 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,840 suggested and voted for this topic to be part of the podcast 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,920 lineup. 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There are so many pen shows. 23 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,200 There's so many more new stationary shows popping up and 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,840 then the planner conferences are always a big deal. 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,200 You and I got to go and speak at Go Wild. 26 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,080 And then I actually on my time hop just a few weeks ago, it 27 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,240 popped up on my very first official Go Wild as well. 28 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,080 And it was so much fun. And it really got me thinking a 29 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,040 lot too afterwards, like, are there more planner conferences 30 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,480 like this? This one is just like bigger 31 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,520 than anything. So the planner pals are like, 32 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,200 hey, what if you were to create one? 33 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,400 Like what would that look like? So today we're going to be 34 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,080 talking about the things that we would love to see, having some 35 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,880 discussion, especially some feedback that we got from the 36 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,080 community on some things that they would like to see as well. 37 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,960 Because at the end of the day, the planner conferences really 38 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,320 are about the community. It's about the people. 39 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,600 Yes, the free stuff is nice. Yes, the speakers are awesome. 40 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,920 Yes, the little workshops are really exciting and cool to do. 41 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,680 But really, at the end of the day, it's all about the people 42 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,320 who are paying to go and what they think about it. 43 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,640 Definitely. I do love that it's just one of 44 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,160 those opportunities to get amongst people who like the same 45 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,080 stuff as you and are as enthusiastic about it as you 46 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,400 are. Because I feel like sometimes 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,840 for a lot of us in our kind of day-to-day lives in the real 48 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,480 world, quote, quote. When you get really like hyped 49 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,240 up about pens and stationery and planning and stickers and all of 50 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:15,800 these things, people look at you like, OK, then that's cool I 51 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,960 guess. And like everybody has their 52 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,640 thing. You know, some people are sports 53 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:22,360 fanatics, some people like us are really into planners and 54 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,920 stickers and stationary and that kind of thing. 55 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,120 So being able to get amongst people who have that same level 56 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,160 of enthusiasm as you is like one of the most special things. 57 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,600 I swear. I find that in going to these 58 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,440 kind of events, I always get this period before I go, like 59 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,160 leaving my house. That's such a chore. 60 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,080 Like, do I actually want to do this? 61 00:02:41,640 --> 00:02:44,080 What if I go and like nobody wants to sit with me? 62 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,600 No, it's never like that. You go, you get amongst the 63 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,520 people who are just as excited as you are. 64 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,240 You have plenty to talk about because you're all enthusiasts 65 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,400 in the same kind of space. So that opportunity to connect 66 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,760 with people would like first and foremost be the most important 67 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,840 thing when it comes to planning one of these events. 68 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,000 Oh, absolutely. I mean, the community is what 69 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,640 it's all about. They really make or break a 70 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:06,280 conference altogether. I mean, we know that we can be 71 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,720 persnickety about like certain planner things. 72 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,200 And then I think as we've gone to more of these conferences or 73 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,080 I have, you also see a lot of the people that start to compare 74 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,400 things, right and really talk about some key things. 75 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,520 One of the first thing that's on here, and I think there's 76 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,480 probably the most important to kind of talk about is location. 77 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,200 And you kind of mentioned you're like, oh, like I have to pack up 78 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,880 and go. But like for you, especially if 79 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,800 the conference is in the US, like you're not just packing up 80 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,240 for like a quick flight, like you're like a 24 hour flight to 81 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,200 get to the US and especially depending where it is in the 82 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,960 United States. So the first I would definitely 83 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,720 would want to consider and then talk about would be location, 84 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,560 because I do think it's important to have it at a fun 85 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,600 place and there's probably a few things that I would want to keep 86 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,120 in mind. I think aside from having a 87 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,920 large space to have said planner conference, I think having areas 88 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,480 around the conference to go to are really key. 89 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,400 I think some of the most fun memories I've had are actually 90 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,800 outside of the conference. When you're with your little 91 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,160 planner click and you go get sushi or you go get some ice 92 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,280 cream, or maybe you go to an event or a show, like really 93 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,760 depending on where it is. But having things around the 94 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,080 Conference Center is great because even though it is fun 95 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,880 and exciting, it is overwhelming, especially when 96 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,959 you're kind of in all of the commotion of things. 97 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:23,400 So being able to step outside of where you are, get some fresh 98 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,360 air, go a little sightseeing. That's I think a really 99 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,880 important factor of any type of conference and especially one 100 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,400 that if I were to plan one or hold one that I would want to 101 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,120 see. Yeah. 102 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,120 I think that having a kind of extracurriculars outside of just 103 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,880 the conference, especially if you are coming a really far 104 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,520 distance like I typically am, it's nice to make it more of a 105 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,560 trip than just going for a weekend to, you know, see the 106 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,080 speakers, get the swag, all of those kind of things. 107 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,800 So I do try and give myself anytime I make one of those 108 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,920 trips, just like a little bit of buffer on either side, not only 109 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,200 to make myself a more kind of like human and put together 110 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,600 person when it comes to attending the conference. 111 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,440 So people get like best Jess energy as opposed to like a 112 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,720 gremlin just got off a flight hasn't slept in 24 hours. 113 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,160 Jess, funnily enough, she's like the not the most fun to be 114 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,280 around, if you were wondering. So having a little bit more 115 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:13,040 buffer time in the schedule so that people can do those little 116 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,960 trips out go and like, you know, check out a local stationary 117 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,560 store or go to a local kind of like vendor of XYZ. 118 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,200 For me, it's always food. Food is the most important part 119 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,160 of the trip. Like it's also going to be a 120 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,200 really important part of any conference I plan. 121 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:29,560 With that aside, I think that for a lot of people having 122 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,240 somewhere close to home, especially when travel is 123 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,600 getting more expensive and you know, having to take time off as 124 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,440 well to actually get places, that's a big consideration for 125 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,280 people. Now, obviously, we can't 126 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:44,400 necessarily plan a plan a conference in every single town 127 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,640 that everybody lives in. So maybe kind of like a more 128 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,560 central location depending on who wants to be there. 129 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,680 But also trying to make sure that it's not too spinning. 130 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,640 Because if you start to go to these locations that are like, 131 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,720 you know, really central to kind of like, you know, big hubs or 132 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,400 anything like that, typically speaking, the cost of actually 133 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,040 running the event there starts to creep up, which is something 134 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,440 that I would probably be wary of. 135 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,160 Yeah, I think you're exactly on point. 136 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,880 It would be really cool. I mean, I think having an 137 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,360 experience is important. I think about like DC for you, 138 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:15,880 right? Vogel came along with, but he 139 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,640 was also very interested in that town versus like Indianapolis. 140 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,120 I don't think he was as it just did necessarily there, right. 141 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,080 So I think picking places like that around are really 142 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,560 important. Like right now I would not 143 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,000 necessarily choose DC because I think a lot of people don't even 144 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,400 want to be anywhere close to there. 145 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,800 So like, I think you also have to be aware and it's kind of 146 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,680 harder because these planner conferences get planned so far 147 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,160 in advance. Like you don't know what the 148 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,720 socioeconomical landscape is going to look like. 149 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:46,280 So it's kind of hard, but I think you're exactly on point. 150 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:48,960 Like if they were to do 1, let's say in like Vegas, like it's 151 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,720 already expensive to go to Vegas. 152 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,360 So it's just like, okay, where are you having that? 153 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,520 Like, how much would it cost to rent out Conference Center for 154 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,000 multiple days in Las Vegas? You know, there's plenty to do, 155 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,560 sure, shows and all those other exciting things. 156 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,200 But it's one of those things where you're right, you kind of 157 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,320 have to like really kind of think about it. 158 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,720 But it's a balancing act I think is really important. 159 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,480 And the cost is probably a really big factor in the overall 160 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,720 cost of the conference and the ticket as well. 161 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,240 So. So yeah, I don't know if I would 162 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,920 know of a certain spot. Like, again, I've only been to a 163 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,880 handful myself, I guess. So like any new city is exciting 164 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,560 for me. I don't travel a whole whole 165 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,560 lot, but it would be cool, I think to at least have some of 166 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,120 those like we talked out, like kind of fun outside 167 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,280 extracurriculars to have. Yeah, I, I think that one of the 168 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,160 things with it kind of turning into like a mini vacation for me 169 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,760 a lot of the time is that it would just be really nice to be 170 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,760 in a city that I was already interested in travelling to. 171 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,360 You know, obviously I am but one person kind of a thing. 172 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,120 I'm like, Oh yeah, I want to travel to Europe, I want to 173 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,360 travel to Japan, I want to travel to Canada kind of a 174 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:54,640 thing. So I'm like, Oh yeah, any of 175 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,160 those three would be great if we could just like have one there. 176 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,360 But I do think that, you know, in in planning it with that kind 177 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,600 of like balancing act in mind that you talked about like the 178 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,200 cost, but then also the accessibility to people. 179 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,400 And I think that depending on who your target audience is, 180 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,240 that's probably going to dictate a lot as to where you end up 181 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,560 having it. So if you're having a planner 182 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,080 conference that's really targeted towards, I don't know, 183 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,160 like East Coast planners or whatever in the US, you probably 184 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,200 want to pick somewhere on the East Coast. 185 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,920 I assume like big assumptions here, Maybe everybody on the 186 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,480 East Coast is like, I hate the East Coast. 187 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,440 I don't know. Yeah, I think it's kind of 188 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,760 crucial to think about the main audience for as well, and that's 189 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,760 kind of the hard part. I'm curious, I don't know if 190 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,200 I've ever, ever really asked you this question. 191 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,480 Like as you've gone to these planner conferences, especially 192 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,480 being someone from outside of the US coming to the US, are you 193 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,880 meeting other people who are also travelling like super long 194 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,720 distances? Have you come across anybody 195 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,120 from like other countries outside of the US other than 196 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,760 like Canada, for instance, you? Think that for the Go Wild trips 197 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,920 in particular, I know that there was one person who was coming 198 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,440 from Germany. I met another person from 199 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,720 Belfast. She was great. 200 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,120 She was a who. I think that we had maybe a 201 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,600 couple from Australia. But, you know, just because 202 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,720 we're all international doesn't mean we actually know each other 203 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,120 before we get there kind of a thing. 204 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,160 I know, right? It's a small world, but not that 205 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,480 small. It's always kind of fun getting 206 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,840 to interact with people at these conferences and then, you know, 207 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,560 get us. I'm going to say assaulted, like 208 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,240 throat punched with a different accent. 209 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,000 You're like, whoa, where are you from, friendo? 210 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,200 Like that's always kind of fun. So I think that yeah, she opened 211 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,280 her mouth and this like heavy accent that was just not US came 212 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,320 out. I'm like, oh international me 213 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,360 too, friends an. Instant kinship when you come 214 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,680 into it all right, let's go into the next piece of this so we're 215 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:42,680 talking about location. Let's let's talk a little bit 216 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:46,960 about like the atmosphere of the event space as a whole. 217 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,360 So I mean, I think the first thing is that it has to have 218 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,280 space, but I feel like there is a balance with everything 219 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,240 between being like overly large and feeling like very 220 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,200 overwhelming and that line of like how many people do you have 221 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,440 and kind of how tight is it in said space? 222 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,960 I think for me, I personally really like the large like 223 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,080 grandiose space if I think about, and again, I've only 224 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,920 really been to go wild. So I'm kind of basing a lot of 225 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,240 my experience on that. But what I have liked about it 226 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,200 is when there is a lot of space and a lot of tables and a lot of 227 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,680 people, but you don't feel cramped because we have a lot of 228 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:26,960 stuff on the tables. We all are carrying a lot of 229 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,280 bags of things as well, whether we're purchasing them or getting 230 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,240 them or bringing them. And so I think having that room 231 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,800 to kind of breathe is really important. 232 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,560 But I really do love having that large space, especially when you 233 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:42,000 have speakers where you are kind of making and taking right. 234 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,280 If you're like working on something along with it, like 235 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,040 with ours, for instance, like ours is very hands on. 236 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,480 It was use these materials make this thing like kind of go 237 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,920 through and how we would do it and write it down to you want to 238 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,440 have that room at your table to breathe or else you just feel 239 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,240 very claustrophobic. And with that many people and 240 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,880 that much stuff going on, I know how I get when I have too much 241 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,720 stuff on my desk and I'm trying to do it. 242 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,280 I just want to like throw it all on the floor. 243 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,640 Can't necessarily do that at a conference well. 244 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,640 You can, but people might give you a strange look. 245 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,440 You know, just because they're your people doesn't mean that 246 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,440 they want you to be messy. But I do think that having space 247 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,680 to operate is a big deal. Like even if we're thinking 248 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:25,000 about, you know, pre conference activities or whatnot, like for 249 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,040 instance, it go wild. They have the plan affair where 250 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,840 they have the little stalls set up and all of that. 251 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,360 You want people to be able to move around in those spaces 252 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,680 comfortably, but you don't want it to be. 253 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,480 It's like everything, it's a balancing act, right? 254 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:39,720 You don't want the room to be so big that there's too much 255 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,800 spacing between the stalls to the extent where it feels like, 256 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,440 I'm not going to say disappointing because that's 257 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,520 technically not what I mean. Because if you have the same 258 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,960 amount of stuff in a slightly smaller space, it would look 259 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,520 more full and thus kind of be more exciting in a way. 260 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,040 It's kind of like, I don't know, you see those events that some 261 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,760 people run, like I think there was one called Barbie World or 262 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,480 something. It was probably not called that 263 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,480 like the Barbie experience or whatnot. 264 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,440 And a bunch of people showed up to like this empty hole or 265 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,120 warehouse room or something and I had like a blow up slide 1 266 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,240 backdrop with like a phone on a tripod in front of it or 267 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,600 something. And like, that was the 268 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,760 experience. So I guess it's like in 269 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,560 particular with some conferences where there is that kind of very 270 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,640 big kind of emphasis on the visual aspect of it and the look 271 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,800 and the feel. And I think that if you're 272 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,720 asking people to shell out, you know, X amount for a ticket or 273 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:35,520 whatnot, you want the hype and the aesthetic and the kind of 274 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,320 vibe of the whole thing to match that level. 275 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,640 And I find that if you're not paying attention to the sizing 276 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,960 and the spacing of those kind of elements within a space, then 277 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,720 sometimes it can lead to more disappointment. 278 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,240 It's kind of like if you're trying to set up a layout for 279 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,960 yourself and you have like 1 tiny ass element smack bag in 280 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,560 the middle of the page. For some, you know, for some 281 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,280 setups that looks great. It's like, oh deluxe, look at 282 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,320 how much white space breathing room it has. 283 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,000 Whereas for other, you know, layouts and thus events, because 284 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,800 you're drawing parallels here, having that kind of like 285 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,640 busyness to it, that kind of like, you know, more visual 286 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,240 interest and excitement on the page feels better. 287 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,760 So it's like, OK, what kind of event are we running? 288 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,240 Is it going to be one of those like super deluxe, like only one 289 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,240 person in the store at one time? We have one handbag on a shelf 290 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,440 kind of a thing and like, that's the main attraction. 291 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,960 Or is it going to be the idea of like lots of kind of stalls or 292 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,160 setups in this space? And it's slightly more, I know, 293 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,360 cozy, I guess to give you that kind of like more condensed 294 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,880 excitement feel. I'm explaining this incredibly 295 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,560 poorly. Can you tell she is not a 296 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,360 planner conference like designer? 297 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,760 But I think that that would be a concern point for me. 298 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,880 I think it's just so big and so extensive to really kind of 299 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,600 think about like getting the value, what you're paying for. 300 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,880 I think that's like something that we do here at the end of 301 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,600 the planner conferences is like OK, travel plus ticket. 302 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,440 Does that equal kind of what I'm getting out of that? 303 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,200 And I think a lot of people are looking for like a even they're 304 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,960 looking to like come out of the conference with a lot of free 305 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,680 stuff, which I agree, a lot of knowledge, you know, a lot of 306 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:08,160 kind of those experiences. So you really do feel like 307 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,720 you're getting your money's worth because, yeah, if you're 308 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,080 paying, you know, 6 or $800.00 for a ticket and all you have is 309 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,440 a, a blow up slide in the iPhone tripod. 310 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,360 Like what? What is even that? 311 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,480 Right? I think there was another one 312 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,120 too, reminding me of like a Bridgerton one that people were 313 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,120 really excited about, but it wasn't official. 314 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,840 And they went and they were like, this feels like a 8th 315 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,720 grade dance, you know, like, but you're paying all this money for 316 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,680 this experience and not getting what you think it is really 317 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,720 important for that. And so I agree. 318 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,640 I mean, something I love is the hustle and bustle of those 319 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,240 rooms. You know, if I even compared 320 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,680 like the my first go wild to the second one, it felt very 321 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,560 different. You know, I definitely think 322 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,840 also, and this was kind of on here too. 323 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,560 Maybe I'm skipping ahead a little bit, but like I really 324 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,320 liked finding these like small stationary shops and like other 325 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,400 stationary things inside of the conference. 326 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,480 Because look, let's be honest, we're already there with the 327 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,200 budget. We are spending money and we 328 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,680 know we are. But like, how cool is it to go 329 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,840 in and be like, oh, I haven't heard of this brand before. 330 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,560 And I'm already here for journaling and I'm already here 331 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,960 and excited with my people and talking about it to be able to 332 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,760 play around or try new things to maybe get some notebooks, you 333 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,280 know, other than the free ones that you're getting stickers and 334 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,560 like stamps and like all the fun excitement planner stuff that's 335 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,320 in there. Like that also creates the hype 336 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,440 before you're even into like the main event and that is so 337 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,320 exciting, you know? So I think it is really 338 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,480 important to be able to like have those spaces to be able to 339 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,640 do that. Something else I know that 340 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,600 people were missing in the past, and I know other planner 341 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,760 stationary conferences people talk about this too, is having 342 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,840 like mini breakout rooms. And some are like a little DIY 343 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,880 though. It's basically like, hey, we're 344 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,480 a group of people that want to kind of hold a get together, but 345 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,200 it's not official. I think last year there was 346 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,840 people who got together to talk about fountain pens, but there 347 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,560 really wasn't a space to have that conversation. 348 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,400 The main hall was very busy with things going on, so they were 349 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,240 kind of like sitting out in like a little cafe area, but it like 350 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,720 wasn't enough. It kind of creates that. 351 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,360 I think I would also love to have kind of little small spaces 352 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,280 like that. So if you wanted to get together 353 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,080 and talk about a topic or do a make and take or even just a fun 354 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,760 hobby or honestly, like I think there should just be like a 355 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,760 quiet room, you know, where like you can go to and it's like a 356 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,880 safe space, like a quiet train car, right? 357 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,840 No one's gonna be on their phone, no one's gonna be 358 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,360 talking. But you are kind of around other 359 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,160 people and that's OK. Or maybe even just by yourself. 360 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,200 I think also allowing for some of those side spaces too are 361 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,920 really important. So it's like main event space, 362 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,480 fun event space, social space. And then they'll leave me a hell 363 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,240 alone room. Yeah, I think that like the 364 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,240 community LED breakouts can be really fun because it's those 365 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,280 kind of like satellite topics or like kind of very niche specific 366 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,080 things related to the planner event or related to the planner 367 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,520 conference where you can really kind of hone in on the people 368 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,160 who are very much in that kind of like same field as you. 369 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,000 So if we're thinking about, you know, like people who use XYZ 370 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,760 planner and the idea isn't because it's like, oh, you can't 371 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,359 sit with us, it's more so like I love this planner specifically. 372 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Yes, planning I love as well. That's why I'm here. 373 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,720 But this one in particular, I want to get amongst the other 374 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,000 people who really love this one specifically. 375 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,400 And I liked your point there about that kind of like the 376 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,880 enjoyment and the kind of like building of excitement that 377 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,720 comes from the pre conference stuff like that pre kind of 378 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,440 event in particular, if we're thinking about like go wild and 379 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,079 such, they call this the plan affair. 380 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,960 But I almost feel like if I was going to plan a plan A 381 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,760 conference, I would want it to have that first day just be 382 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,640 about the stalls and highlighting the work of small 383 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,720 businesses and all of those kind of things. 384 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,440 So you could come into a space or a room or I don't know, shed 385 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,120 whatever we were calling it a hall where you have all of these 386 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:51,840 different like planner vendors set up selling their wares and 387 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,320 such. And you get to go around and 388 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,600 like experience like not only the excitement with everybody 389 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,360 else, but get kind of exposed to all of those small businesses. 390 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,040 That would be really fun. And I think for some of us that 391 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,600 would be like a separate event. But I'd just be like, no, if I'm 392 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,720 going to fly all the way there, I want it to be all at once. 393 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,160 No, I totally agree with you and I love the idea of it being 394 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,800 smaller businesses too, because I think that's like one of the 395 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,240 most fun part about stationary is fun. 396 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:20,920 Those small little cool like me shops that have something that 397 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,880 like you can't really find in other places. 398 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,920 And I think and for my own, like if I was really planning it, I 399 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,640 would be kind of I would find like themes, but I wouldn't have 400 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,400 a lot of the same type of thing. Like if I was going to have like 401 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,520 some stickers or whatever, like say it's a shop that's like only 402 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,440 stickers, like like I would have those. 403 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,400 But then I would love to have like a smaller business that may 404 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,520 be like mixed in some other like pens and stationary and like 405 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,680 some fun stickers. I wouldn't say like, Oh, the 406 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,520 only place you can get stickers is here. 407 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,920 The only place you can get markers are here. 408 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,440 The only place is notebooks there. 409 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,120 But like just kind of really mix and mingle. 410 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:57,480 But like find a way to create something that's kind of fun for 411 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,200 everyone. I know you can't like hit it out 412 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,360 of the park for every single person or whatever. 413 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,720 And especially for me, again, this is the conference that I'm 414 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,960 planning. I would definitely want to find 415 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,680 a lot of vendors and stationary things that are more like gender 416 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,920 neutral because a lot of the times for me, and I know this 417 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,160 going to a lot of these planner conferences, it is definitely 418 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,440 not aimed at my demographic. It is, you know, for the most 419 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,520 part, it is pink and it is glitter and it is excitement and 420 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,560 it's Boas and it's all these kind of things. 421 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,200 And a lot of the times I know for me, and you know, this too, 422 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,000 especially going with me, I'm like, Jess, do you want to 423 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,800 trade? I don't think these are really 424 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,560 my colors are like, you know, oh, cool bangle bracelets, but 425 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,320 like, I'm not I'm not going to wear the you know, like, so I 426 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,320 would just try to find things that are kind of good for 427 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,200 everyone or just have a mix. Because the truth is is more and 428 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,960 more guys are going to these conferences, but there's also 429 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,680 people who also don't really identify with a lot of the pink 430 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,360 and frilly and kind of that kind of space too. 431 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,520 So I think having something for everyone allows everyone to 432 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,880 enjoy and not feel excluded from like the main event. 433 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,040 So I think for me, I would try to find that in a way that was 434 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,960 like kind of touched all different areas of life and 435 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,280 exciting about planning because I think. 436 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,160 It's super important. I think also the nice part about 437 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,400 having this kind of like vendors stall space or whatever before 438 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,360 the main event is that a lot of the time the way that we would 439 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:20,240 get exposed to those small vendors and such as part of a 440 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,400 planner conference is usually stuff like sponsor tables or 441 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,000 swag bags or whatever else. But for a lot of small 442 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,160 businesses, that's quite a decent cost. 443 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,400 So it would be nice to have the option to still give back to 444 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,080 them. Specifically support the ones 445 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,840 that you're like, Oh my gosh, I love your stuff. 446 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,800 That's not to say that we're, you know, trying to exclude 447 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,080 people or whatever, but, you know, some things are your vibe. 448 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,920 Some people don't want the bows and the frills and the pink 449 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,880 stuff, and some people feel like the minimalist stuff is really 450 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,280 boring. And there's obviously everything 451 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,240 in between. Maybe pink isn't your thing, but 452 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,240 glitter is, and you love purple. I want to make sure that there's 453 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,360 a space there dedicated to you. I want the purple glitter store 454 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:59,440 to be there for you. So it'd be really cool to have 455 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,360 the kind of that opportunity to showcase the small businesses 456 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,240 that are in the planner and stationary and whatever kind of 457 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,640 space, but also give back to them very directly by being able 458 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,000 to support specifically their work rather than expecting them 459 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,760 to kind of like come to the table with a bunch of free stuff 460 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,560 to give to everybody at the conference. 461 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,120 Because the thing that I was thinking about before this was 462 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:23,600 in terms of sponsor tables. And if you haven't been to go 463 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,000 wild before, typically on the first day of the conference, 464 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,160 like the actual kind of conference day you get in the 465 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,120 room, there are a bunch of tables and each table has been 466 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:35,160 sponsored by a brand. So they've put out a bunch of 467 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,360 goodies and swag and whatever for you to take home with you. 468 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,240 And I was kind of thinking about the part that bothers me the 469 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,120 most about Go Wild is the fact that if you want a specific 470 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:49,320 sponsor table, you need to be there like ass cracker clock to 471 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,000 put yourself in line to make sure that you can scope out the 472 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,400 table that you want. And I'm not going to say you 473 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,320 have to run to get it, but like you might. 474 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,960 I don't love the kind of just difference in experience that 475 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,360 people get just based on how early they were willing to get 476 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:07,880 up and where they ended up sitting on day one. 477 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:12,280 And I feel like one of the solutions that I thought could 478 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,720 possibly be a good idea is that, OK? 479 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,640 Well, every table is the same in terms of what's on it. 480 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,960 So that means then that you have to kind of like really hope that 481 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,080 these businesses are going to show up and provide not just a 482 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,880 tables worth of stuff, but a smaller amount of stuff for the 483 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,880 entire conference room. And I feel like that's possibly 484 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,760 asking too much. Like, even if you're just 485 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,280 thinking about like, you know, one small business providing one 486 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,720 sticker sheet or whatnot, but if you have like 500 people at this 487 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,520 conference, that's 500 sticker sheets. 488 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,360 She doesn't know how much that would be. 489 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,680 She doesn't know about how much manual labor that would be, but 490 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,200 she assumes it's a lot and she doesn't want to put people out 491 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,480 like that. So I feel like a nice way to 492 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,960 have them still showcased but also give back to them so that 493 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,240 they're not just like, you know, handing out a bunch of free 494 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,880 stuff is having that opportunity to be like a little vendor on 495 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,840 day one or something like that. I don't know. 496 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,520 What are your thoughts? I actually completely agree with 497 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,280 you there. I mean, I understand it from 498 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,320 like a marketing perspective, the fun, the excitement, the 499 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,920 rush, the FOMO of being in there, picking your table, you 500 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,760 know, being there with your table mates, kind of making 501 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,680 those things happen. But I do know also when you're 502 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,440 just like eyeballing. But the one thing I can say that 503 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,080 I've always had a good experience with and maybe this 504 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,040 can also lead into something that I would like is when people 505 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,560 are willing to swap with you in case like you already have 506 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,080 something and they have something that you don't want. 507 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:37,080 I think that the tables are exciting. 508 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,240 I love that you can, you know, get a sponsored 1 and they all 509 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,320 are different and kind of pick your personality. 510 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,000 Again, it's our ideal planner conference. 511 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,280 So like, you know, I guess I don't know how the money part 512 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,520 works, but I would say I love that idea that like everyone's 513 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,440 kind of getting similar things. But if, you know, the reality of 514 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,680 planner conferences is that that's not really happening, 515 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,760 then I would definitely say I would like either a time or a 516 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,120 space for planner swaps. Because in my experience, there 517 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,720 hasn't really been a dedicated space for that or for or even 518 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,280 for people to be like, I'm not going to use this like you're 519 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,960 actually a really good one where you're just like, hey, I have 520 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,320 all this crap. I'm not taking back with me. 521 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Here's all of it and take it. I put it in a spot go get it. 522 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,080 I think that like that is it's great, but that's I don't love 523 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,840 that though, right. I would rather know that I was 524 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,960 giving it to somebody or there was some type of like swap or 525 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,320 like a planner eBay or not to sell it, you know, but like a 526 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,200 planner free Bay or something like that where like, oh, I saw 527 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,920 this and I was really looking for it the whole time. 528 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,600 Like I will definitely take it. And then, you know, you swipe 529 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,200 right and you meet the person in the lobby. 530 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,160 I don't know what that looks like, but like this idea that, 531 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560 you know, you could mix and match and meet up with people 532 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,600 and like have those exchanges because again, that's the fun of 533 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,040 these types of things is again your love stationary. 534 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,120 Maybe what you're getting isn't all for you, but if you can 535 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,960 leave with like the things that you're really excited about or 536 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,080 stationary you're actually use or something new that you didn't 537 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,840 even know that you were going to love, like that's even more 538 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,160 exciting. So I think that the the planner 539 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,000 tables, the swaps, the swag bags, all of that are incredibly 540 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,640 important because I honestly think that's probably like 60 to 541 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,720 70% of why people go to these conferences. 542 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,960 As for those things, I just want to make sure that like everyone 543 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,560 is happy, you feel fulfilled, but that you also have these 544 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,120 cool opportunities though to also like trade out what you 545 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,000 don't. Yeah, I love the swap ability, 546 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,320 like being able to swap, that is something I love. 547 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,760 You know, on the last time previously on Go Wild, I took 548 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,160 like, not a suitcase full, but practically A suitcase full of 549 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,160 washi tape because I knew that I wasn't going to use it. 550 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,320 It could go to somebody else. And these were the kind of 551 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,960 people who would use that kind of thing. 552 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,240 So I toted, you know, an extra bag with me all the way to the 553 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,000 States just to take my washi so that other people could have it. 554 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,160 But there was not a dedicated space to be able to do that. 555 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,920 I was down in the lobby on the first day trying to like, you 556 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,840 know, sell my wares for free, Free Bay. 557 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,480 But you know, you get down in the lobby of a nice hotel and 558 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,800 such and you dump a bunch of tape out onto a table. 559 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,680 You know, people come over like, ma'am, could you please tidy up 560 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,600 your mask kind of a thing. They didn't actually do that, 561 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,400 but you know, it's kind of that vibe. 562 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,000 So if you had kind of like dedicated spaces to do swaps in 563 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,080 or dedicated like time to do that, that'd be really cool. 564 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,800 I guess one of the ways that you could kind of get around people 565 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,320 coming to the end of the event and feeling like they have a 566 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,400 bunch of stuff that they don't want to go home with because 567 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,280 that's typically what I would find would happen to go wild. 568 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:34,880 It's like, wow, this is really exciting. 569 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,880 There's so many things, but volume doesn't necessarily mean 570 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,320 quality. And that's not to say that they 571 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,080 were good quality. It's more so just like the 572 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,400 qualities of those items were not aligned with how I like to 573 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,440 plan. I'm not giving people trash. 574 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,440 That's not the vibe. So the nice part about it was is 575 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,040 that I could jump on to, I think they had like a Facebook group 576 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,560 or something and say, hey, guys, here's a photo of all the stuff 577 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,720 that I cannot or will not be taking with me. 578 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,760 Who would like this stuff? And thankfully had some people 579 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,240 reach out. I could, you know, organize and 580 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,880 meet up with them and just give them all of those things before 581 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,000 I had to get back on a plane to go home. 582 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,000 But it meant that I knew that that stuff wasn't just going, at 583 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,680 least not going straight into the bin. 584 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,080 They throw it in the bin. That's their prerogative. 585 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,840 But I gave it to somebody who said they wanted it. 586 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,760 And I'm just going to trust that they actually wanted it, but it 587 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,640 would be nice to have like a dedicated time to be able to do 588 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,800 that. Coming back to the point I was 589 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,240 actually making because woof, we went on a side tangent there. 590 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,400 But I guess the way you could kind of get around that is just 591 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,520 making the event smaller and more targeted. 592 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,680 So then the right quote, the right people show up or the 593 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,080 people who know that that's their vibe and that's the kind 594 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,160 of stuff they want. And then they just get those 595 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,840 things that could possibly be a solution. 596 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,480 So it's like, you know, we have the group of people who like, I 597 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,120 don't know, dark jewel colors, minimalist designs, gold accents 598 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:52,720 or whatever, kind of a thing like you kind of design a plan a 599 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,480 conference with those people in mind. 600 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,240 You limit the number of tickets. Only those people kind of show 601 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,200 up and sign up and get their stuff or whatever. 602 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,680 And you know, I'm kind of aiming more so in in the thought of 603 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,520 like, you know, planning the dream plan a conference. 604 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,320 I want it to be big. I want it to be exciting. 605 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,760 I want there to be a lot of people there. 606 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,480 So you are kind of like not being as targeted in the way 607 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,120 that it's set up in terms of like what's given out stuff wise 608 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:19,160 or material wise. But yeah, balancing act with 609 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,440 everything, right? Yeah. 610 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,320 I mean, something else that could be kind of cool, this idea 611 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,720 popped into my head as we were talking about this is it would 612 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,280 also be cool like, you know, a lot of these cooking shows 613 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,640 where, like, they don't give everyone all of the ingredients. 614 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,520 You have to go into, like, the kitchen area and grab what you 615 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,200 need. Like wouldn't it be cool if 616 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,920 there was like a big room like that that had all those 617 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,040 stationary supplies or like something for instance, like, 618 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,040 you know, like you, you're taking pictures on your phone 619 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,240 and stuff like that. And a lot of the times we don't 620 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,160 have it, but like, wouldn't it be cool if there was like an 621 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,480 area you could go to like print off your own, like sticker photo 622 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,000 paper, right? Or something like that. 623 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,160 Like you don't have to give away 1000 photo printers. 624 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,480 Not everyone has to use it. But like if you wanted to go and 625 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,760 do that for your journaling, there was a space to do that. 626 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,480 Or if you needed like certain scissors or certain utensils or 627 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,240 things like that, that that you weren't really sure that you 628 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,600 would necessarily bring with you on a trip. 629 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,920 Like let's say like for instance, you wanted to use like 630 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,200 sticker tweezers, right? That you wouldn't have to bring 631 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,960 your own or not everybody would get sticker tweezers. 632 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,080 But like there was a space that you could like go and like 633 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,200 borrow them. And if it didn't come back, it 634 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,240 doesn't come back. Like there's also like a level 635 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,200 of that too of like, hey, here's like all these different pens 636 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,800 and cool things that you can use. 637 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,480 So almost kind of like pick what you want, like a like a conveyor 638 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,880 belt of stationary fun, but like you're picking and choosing the 639 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,760 things that you actually want. Like that could kind of be cool 640 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,520 too. So, so it's like a little bit of 641 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,400 everything like that way you get what you want you or, or you try 642 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,840 things that maybe you don't know that you want to with this very 643 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,720 like open feel of like how that and what that looks like. 644 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680 But then also at the same time, like you've got some really like 645 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,280 cool areas that still give you access to things without feeling 646 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,880 like you have to like, again, donate it all or sit at the cool 647 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,360 like thermal printer table to get a free thermal printer, you 648 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,400 know, for your journal. But like different things like 649 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,160 that. I don't know, I think there's 650 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,280 like cool opportunities in it. I think that would be really 651 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,200 fun. And again, maybe another way to 652 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,360 get smaller brands or other brands into the conference 653 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,880 without feeling like they have to donate a ton of stuff. 654 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,720 Really just be like, hey, we set up six printers here. 655 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,080 Come tap your phone. Oh, by the way, this printer is 656 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,800 also for sale over here if you want it. 657 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,080 If not, but here's your print out. 658 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,160 You don't have to buy this thing, but have that. 659 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,880 I don't know, something about that seemed really cool, just 660 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,040 popped in my head like that would actually be really neat. 661 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,600 Did. You guys at, I don't know, this 662 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,920 might be a niche reference, have like sports shed or whatever 663 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,120 when you're in primary school. And so you'd have like some of 664 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,720 these older students at the school, they would like man, the 665 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,880 sports shed and kids would come to the sports shed at the start 666 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,560 of lunch and be like, I would like to borrow 1 basketball. 667 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,000 And then like the person would write their name down and give 668 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,400 them the basketball. And then at the end of lunch 669 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,440 they had to return the basketball and get it checked 670 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,680 off. Is that a thing you had? 671 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,600 I mean, that was definitely something it was more like, like 672 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,320 the gym teacher had all of that kind of stuff. 673 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,120 So yeah, you kind of like, hey, we want to go play kickball 674 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,920 during recess. And so like, OK, I'm lending you 675 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,320 this. It needs to come back to us. 676 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,520 I mean, I'm sure there's certain people who wouldn't like that 677 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,800 idea of like a mass shared stationary space. 678 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680 Like I get it. But at the same time, like maybe 679 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,160 it's not all like Sherry, Sherry, but it's just like pick 680 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,280 and choose what you would like versus me giving you a 24 pack 681 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,840 of markers. Pick your favorite colors that 682 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,600 you would like to use during the session and come back and grab 683 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,560 more if you really like them. You know, I don't know, 684 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,000 something like it, but I'm not going to get into the specifics. 685 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,680 This is all fantasy, but I still really good idea. 686 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,520 I hope someone takes it and and I go to my next conference and 687 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,520 they're like don't have the materials. 688 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,520 We have them here for you. Come to our free shop. 689 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,920 Yeah, it's like when you go to the Lego stores or whatever, or 690 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,040 sometimes they'll Lego shows and they've just got those giant 691 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,240 bins of Lego that are in the middle of a table and 692 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,960 everybody's just building on their own little board. 693 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,080 And then they just Chuck everything back at the end type 694 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,120 of a thing. Maybe you had like a little 695 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,760 Createspace or whatnot, so you have the kind of middle section 696 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,640 with all of your different stationary pieces. 697 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,520 So people can bring their notebook, bring their planner, 698 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,280 bring their journal, sit down, work with other people and then 699 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,520 put the stuff back can leave. Or what I was thinking is kind 700 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,840 of like a pick and mix swag bag. So instead of just being given 701 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,160 like here is your stuff, everybody gets the same stuff. 702 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,280 Everybody has a purple and a pink glitter pen mark. 703 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,320 You're just going to have to suck it. 704 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,160 This is what it be. You could have some kind of like 705 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,360 a walkthrough type thing where you have like, OK, well here are 706 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,080 all of the notebooks. You pick a notebook. 707 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,600 Here are all of the packs of stickers. 708 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,000 You can pick 3 packs of stickers. 709 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,840 Here are all of the pens. Try you can pick like a 5 pack 710 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,520 or something like that. And they have like, you know, 711 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,160 different options. Obviously there's going to be 712 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,080 considerations with inventory around this because if everybody 713 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560 picks the green notebook or whatever, but you only bought 714 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,120 enough for like 50% of the people who are coming, like 715 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,560 there is never going to be a perfect solution, but this is 716 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,800 like a possibility. It'd be kind of cute. 717 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440 I think it absolutely, and maybe you're right, like maybe it's 718 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,960 more of a limited size kind of thing. 719 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,160 You know, it could kind of work out. 720 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,800 Well, this leads me into like the next point, which I think, 721 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,160 well, you and I were guests and we got to present. 722 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,440 But I think that's also a really important part because this kind 723 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,320 of reminds me a little bit about like the, you know, like when I 724 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,320 did it with Zebra, for instance, like that Friday night deal and 725 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,080 you go into it. The wild crop. 726 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,600 That's right. The crop, that's what it's 727 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,480 called. So something like that. 728 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,640 Maybe that's how this kind of gets put together where you're 729 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,720 going through this stationary area and pulling that together 730 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,560 to bring it together and and have fun with that. 731 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,680 But I do think the type of speakers though, and the events 732 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,120 that you have are equally as important. 733 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,800 So like, what are some ideas that you would have around? 734 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,200 Like what would the speaker lineup look like in your ideal 735 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,840 planner conference? Oh, that's a good one. 736 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:43,160 I think that less about people like who and more about what, 737 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,000 because I feel like, you know, as a purpose first individual, 738 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,440 I'm always looking to like, you know, what's the ROI? 739 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,000 What what is the kind of like return that I get on this type 740 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,520 of a thing? You know, what am I actually 741 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,280 going to take away or learn from this? 742 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560 And I know that there's more to the conference and more to the 743 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,480 experience than just the sessions, But in my mind I'm 744 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,200 like, no, I'm coming for a plan of conference. 745 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,960 The conference is like the main deal. 746 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,160 So I feel like for me, it would very much be people who are 747 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,120 going to give me tangible advice that has action steps that are 748 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,080 actually applicable to me and my situation or whatnot, which of 749 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,360 course everybody is different. So now we're getting into the 750 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000 territory of like, cool. So we want people who work on 751 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,080 YouTube, work from their home, don't go out and see people, OK. 752 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,840 But like I feel like it would be the kind of advice that is 753 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,120 planner related because it is a planner conference, but is 754 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,120 applicable to, you don't have to be in a very specific planner to 755 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,719 do it. Like I wouldn't necessarily want 756 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,679 somebody coming along to be like, here's how you use 757 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,000 specifically the mild liner highlighters in this happy 758 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,000 planner kind of a thing because I'm like, cool, I don't have a 759 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,400 happy planner. I got rid of all my modliners. 760 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,800 Whereas if you've got somebody who's coming along to say like, 761 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,400 here's how you can use highlighters to make like banner 762 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,160 headers for your planner or whatnot, you can use that skill 763 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,520 in any type of planner and you don't have to use very specific 764 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,560 materials to do it. So I think that would be kind of 765 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,920 my preference. I think it would be also nice to 766 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,800 have a balance between productivity focused, like, you 767 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,920 know, getting things done with your planner because that's to 768 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,640 be a main purpose of people's planner for a lot of people. 769 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,080 But then also the kind of like decorative, creative fun side as 770 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,160 well. Because if we're getting into 771 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,720 the planner conference space, a lot of the people who are coming 772 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,360 along do treat planning as a creative hobby. 773 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,240 So it would be nice to have speakers that are going to 774 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,880 either kind of encourage you to, you know, try different types of 775 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,040 creativity, showcase different ways you can use creativity in 776 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,800 your planner or in your planning. 777 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,480 But I also want the tactical stuff, also want the stuff 778 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,720 that's going to help me get things done. 779 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200 I don't know, I feel like that was an unsatisfying answer. 780 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,920 What do you reckon? No, I I honestly think it's a 781 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,320 really great answer because I kind of fall in line with the 782 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,720 same exact thing. I love the functionality of a 783 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,120 lot of what people are doing, but at the same time, I really 784 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,960 enjoyed things that I didn't know that I was going to. 785 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,640 So like when we were at Go Wild and crafty Chica, like she was 786 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,440 up there talking about sticker journaling, right? 787 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,320 That is not something I would ever in my entire life I figured 788 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,080 out for myself. I don't know why, but I 789 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,840 wouldn't. But I love the concept. 790 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,960 I love the idea of that and just sticking things down and 791 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,080 creating a visual story and doing that. 792 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560 You know, it's one of those things with like, well, if you 793 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,960 don't use stickers inside of your planner or your journals, 794 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,480 then you don't have those things. 795 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,160 But again, you're at our Perfect Planner conference and we've 796 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,760 provided you with all of these things to try to see if you like 797 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,600 it first. So I love kind of a balance. 798 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,640 I think that's probably the theme with like any conferences 799 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,640 balance, but this his idea of having very tactical, tangible 800 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,400 things that you can do and take away. 801 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,720 And then also some of this inspirational, you know, brand 802 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,320 new wave of journaling ideas that maybe you haven't 803 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,640 considered yet. I mean, when we were presenting, 804 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,600 for instance, and talking about bullet journaling and kind of 805 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,880 that whole prospect of like how you do that or what you do, so 806 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,920 many people that were like, oh, I don't use that method of 807 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,240 journaling and I've never thought about that, but this is 808 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,880 actually kind of cool. Or, you know, taking some of 809 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,280 those other ideas and concepts into play and then utilizing 810 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,240 them in their own planners. I completely agree with you that 811 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,440 it shouldn't be a planner method or planner specific content 812 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,520 because not everyone is using the same one. 813 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,440 Unless you're going to like a happy planner planner conference 814 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,440 and everyone there has those things, I think it's really 815 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,840 important you're able to touch somebody creatively and inspire 816 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,880 them in ways that maybe they didn't even know that they were 817 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,680 ready to be inspired. Like that's the really kind of 818 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,440 fun stuff. Or you give them an ink and you 819 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,080 start writing inside of your reading books and things like 820 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,720 that and you start freaking people out. 821 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,400 Me of doing that. I just saw someone in Starbucks 822 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,480 doing that the other day. They were like writing and 823 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,120 highlighting and I was like, stop drawing in your book. 824 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,520 It's so sacred. I think it's a great idea. 825 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,280 It was cheaper than one of our notebooks, so why not go forth? 826 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,720 Have at it. But the idea, though, is very 827 00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:57,800 much our fault in mind. They're making jokes about it, 828 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,680 but kind of exposing people to things that they may not even 829 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,520 know of or again, be like, Oh yeah, totally can put this into 830 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,560 play right now. Awesome. 831 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,640 I'm good to go. So I agree with you completely 832 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,560 on where you are and has asked, you know, crazier all over the 833 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,360 place as we might be in this conversation. 834 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,360 I think we just want people to have fun and be inspired and 835 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,240 have a good time, but also, like you said, be able to leave with 836 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,000 some really good things that they can take home and continue 837 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,680 to use. Yeah, I think that for me, the 838 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,880 type of speaker, but I, I understand why they are at 839 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,000 planner conferences and why they, you know, have a session 840 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,760 or whatnot. But the ones that I always feel 841 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,520 like I get the least out of are the ones who are just talking 842 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,520 about their own personal brand journey. 843 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,880 Half the time they're for planners that I don't use and 844 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,120 thus don't really have a lot of a vested interest in. 845 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,080 And secondly, I'm like, unless you're talking to a room of 846 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,520 people who want to become brand owners or whatnot, I don't 847 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,360 personally see the relevance. And while they are talking 848 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,080 about, you know, very human experiences and stuff that 849 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,440 people can relate to and such, I typically find that it feels 850 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,240 semi self-serving, like a, hey, look at all of the stuff I did 851 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:09,480 despite all these challenges I faced and less about like I face 852 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,400 these challenges and I, you know, believe you can face them 853 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,920 too. And here's like how I, I went 854 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,840 about that. It's also like, you know, I 855 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,040 don't want to have sessions where we're effectively giving 856 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,560 counseling advice to people because that doesn't really seem 857 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,440 like the vibe. Like it's a plan of conference. 858 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,880 It's not like I have no a trauma dump session, which I feel like 859 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,920 sometimes there are risks of things kind of falling into that 860 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,480 category. And that's not to say that 861 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,400 people shouldn't share their experiences and such. 862 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,720 But if we're there for a plan a conference, I would like it to 863 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,240 be more centered around planning, whether that be 864 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,080 productivity focused or creativity focused and that kind 865 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,080 of thing. But I think also the types of 866 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,240 sessions that I liked the most are the ones where they are kind 867 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,720 of workshop based. So rather than just like sitting 868 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,680 and listening, which for some of us is very difficult to do. 869 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,000 But you know, having those opportunities to really kind of 870 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,560 like put the strategies and the things they're talking about 871 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,280 into practice in the then and there so that you get the 872 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,200 practice in, especially if they give you the materials to be 873 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,800 able to do it. So like you kind of said with 874 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,600 Crafty Chica, she gave us sticker sheets that we could use 875 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,440 to kind of like make our little sticker stories or whatever. 876 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,800 But also in our session we had. The notebooks that they could 877 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,720 use to practice the techniques that we were talking about 878 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,160 rather than just like, you know, flipping to the next available 879 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,160 page in their planner and drawing in a rough Eisenhower 880 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,560 matrix when it has absolutely nothing to do with what they 881 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,640 were actually planning previously. 882 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,640 So nice to have those kind of hands on things. 883 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,320 Nice to have them at points where would be typically like an 884 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,200 energy slump or like a lull. And I think a very good point, 885 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,360 which we haven't touched on yet is the timing of the sessions. 886 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,760 Not only in terms of like, you know, when are you putting all 887 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,280 of your kind of speaking heavy speakers versus your kind of 888 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,200 like workshoppy kind of things. And the start time. 889 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,360 The thing that I dislike the most, I'm trying not to be 890 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,560 negative here, but the thing that I would dislike the most 891 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,400 about Go Wild is that it starts so bloody early. 892 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,600 And I'm not a morning person, Mark. 893 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,280 Yeah, it's one of those things where I get it because there's a 894 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,440 lot to fit in today. An idea that I had about this 895 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,600 topic was, you know, maybe there's opportunity where people 896 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,200 can like sign up for those special kind of workshops, ish. 897 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,320 It's hard because, you know, again, we're limited. 898 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,840 We're well, no, technically we're unlimited in space. 899 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,920 This is a dream conference. But like the idea is if you 900 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,640 wanted to find something that was that inspirational kind of 901 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,640 brand talk you wanted to go to that like you could sign up at 902 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,520 certain parts. Like, I think if I were to kind 903 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,200 of look at the programming of a conference, similar to what you 904 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,880 said, I think that, yeah, thinking about like the UPS and 905 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,240 and the downs and the highs and the lows and the slumps and 906 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:43,600 what's happening are really important. 907 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,520 But like, maybe some of those are just breakouts that are very 908 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,040 specific to those pieces, you know, like an idea that like not 909 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,080 everyone's on break at the same time. 910 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,360 You can, you know, sign up to go to a certain topic, you know, 911 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,640 but they're all happening at the same time. 912 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,920 So it's like not, no one is left out if they don't want to be 913 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,880 left out, you know, But like there are things to make happen. 914 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,160 I don't know, again, logistically what that looks 915 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,200 like, but that just kind of gave me an idea. 916 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,440 That way you're not forced to sit through some something that 917 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,240 like maybe really isn't in line with kind of where you are. 918 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,160 Again, it's hard to know if you're going to be inspired by 919 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,640 someone's story unintentionally when it happens. 920 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,160 It's great when it does. But I also think people for the 921 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,120 most part, kind of know. But yeah, kind of the 922 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,200 programming of the day also is important. 923 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,720 It's kind of like when you're a DJ and you have to kind of feel 924 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:34,960 the room and know, like, what are the highs and lows? 925 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,760 Like, OK, we're happy, we're jumping, blah, blah, and then 926 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,680 we're going to cool it down because we're about to eat 927 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,320 dinner and then we're going to come back slow after dinner. 928 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,720 So no one's throwing up on the dance floor before we start to 929 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,480 get wild and have drinks, right. So like, I think it's probably a 930 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,920 similar thing, which then also leads me into maybe our our next 931 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,880 point. I don't know if we're ready to 932 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,120 go there yet because we also just talked about like this 933 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,240 other side topic, but like the food and drink and like what's 934 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,520 available also being really important. 935 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,600 And that and I look at that as like part of the programming 936 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,240 too, you know, like let's all get hyped up or whatever, but 937 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:08,160 like let's have like dedicated times to eat because I'm a 938 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,720 hungry boy, you know, like I like to eat and I don't like to 939 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,120 have to pick through like the leftover cheese that fell on the 940 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,440 floor because there was only so much in a 30 minute time span. 941 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,760 Like I don't know what that looks like or how we solve for 942 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,360 that. But I would like everyone to 943 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,880 have the opportunity to like have something good to eat and 944 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,040 provide them with food, like actual food during the 945 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,720 conference, knowing that it is hard sometimes to go out or to 946 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,200 kind of throw something in your mouth in between like a 30 947 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,520 minute break. Yeah, I think that food for me 948 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:39,880 for pretty much any kind of like outing or occasion or event is 949 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,240 like the highlight. She's snacking, she needs her 950 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:46,280 for sustenance. But I feel like there's always 951 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,680 so much consideration that goes into the type of food you're 952 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,640 going to do. So for instance, if anything is 953 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,480 like buffet style, typically speaking, you'd need to have 954 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,760 somebody who is actually, they're kind of monitoring the 955 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,000 buffet so that then people don't take too much because, you know, 956 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,280 we want people in the back of the line to not have to eat the 957 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,800 cheese from the floor or whatever. 958 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,800 We want them to have some of the good stuff too. 959 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,760 And typically when you're doing a buffet, I think that there's 960 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,040 kind of like a certain percentage that you should 961 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,560 expect like above the actual people who are there. 962 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,240 So, you know, if you've got 100 people, you should be catering 963 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,320 for like 130 or something like that. 964 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,280 She doesn't know the actual percentages, but that's kind of 965 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,080 like, you know, rough math, quick math, But because there is 966 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,120 that tendency for people to take more because they don't have to 967 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,640 get back in line and then, you know, if they're still hungry, 968 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,080 having to line up again, like that's a faff type of a deal. 969 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,000 So you can kind of limit it by having people serve up the 970 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,360 buffet style thing. I guess the other option would 971 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,120 be like snack packs or something like that. 972 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,760 If we're thinking about, you know, morning tea, if we're 973 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,720 thinking about like, you know, a morning tea break and then like 974 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:46,800 an evening afternoon, what's the one? 975 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,840 Lunch? Lunch is the worst meal of the 976 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:49,960 day. That's an aside. 977 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,960 But if we have those kind of like 2 set times in the 978 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,160 assumption that we're having a kind of, you know, not early 979 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,800 morning start, but like 9:00 AM start or something and going 980 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,520 till about 2:00 or 3:00 or whatnot. 981 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,840 Having those two step meals. Maybe one of them could be a pre 982 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,000 prepared little snack bundle or whatnot where everybody gets the 983 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,520 same amount of whatever else. And if they don't want their 984 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,640 little slice of carrot cake, they can go and give it to 985 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680 somebody else or whatever. I love little bits of things. 986 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,440 I love a high tea. I love it when you have a pick 987 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,960 and choose kind of option. And the snack pack is like 988 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,640 speaking to my heart in that way. 989 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,240 But then when it comes to lunchtime, like do you do a 990 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:28,680 similar thing just like more volume or what? 991 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,280 Yeah, it's kind of hard, I guess, because there's like a 992 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,680 lot of different ways you can go with it. 993 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,520 But I'm 100% about the snack ability and being able to like 994 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200 grab something quick and kind of have it available to you. 995 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,280 Yeah, the lunch thing is hard because there's, I also feel 996 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,440 like you have to really accommodate like different types 997 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,320 of dietary needs as well. And like, how do you figure that 998 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,320 out? I guess, you know, you could do 999 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,960 that during the registration, right, To kind of understand 1000 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,240 what, what's going on. But I mean, I don't think 1001 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,400 there's anything wrong with, especially if it's like a full 1002 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,680 day of a thing like offering like a good lunch, you know, 1003 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,480 that way you're, you're not trying to like beat the clock 1004 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,880 and like go out or order food or try to make anything happen 1005 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,680 again. Like, yes, while we want there 1006 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,400 to be extracurricular things happening around the space, like 1007 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,880 on a really busy day. And that's how I would like to 1008 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,320 have like like again and ebbs and the flows of the things too 1009 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,840 and rest time and whatever else. I think just offering a lunch 1010 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,840 option is, is a great way to kind of do it. 1011 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,760 It like shows everybody like, Hey, we're thinking about you. 1012 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,640 We know that, you know, you're getting hungry because we've 1013 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,160 totally researched and timed this out and like figured these 1014 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,280 pieces and like have some fun, grab some food, talk with some 1015 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,120 people, like kind of have that before we all come back. 1016 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,000 I, I personally really like that idea. 1017 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,560 I also just like snacks and also making sure that like drinks are 1018 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,040 also readily available. It's it's one of those things 1019 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,160 too, like you're talking a lot. Also make sure there's a lot of 1020 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,640 breath mint and things like that too. 1021 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,200 Like you talk a lot. You're you know, you're eating 1022 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,560 food, you're gonna do it all of this. 1023 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,600 So I definitely want to make sure that we were sponsored by 1024 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,560 Breath Mint company or like little Listerine packs or 1025 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,520 whatever. But just this idea though, is 1026 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,840 that like we're kind of all, it's like an all inclusive 1027 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,680 resort when you come to our planner conference, like it's 1028 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,160 all there for you, whatever you want, whenever you need it, we 1029 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,560 got you. Oh, definitely. 1030 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,160 It needs to be like, yeah, fully catered. 1031 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,240 If we're thinking like the dream dream as opposed to the 1032 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:20,800 realistic dream, yeah, it's going to be like a all expenses 1033 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,560 kind of thing. We're going to have, you know, a 1034 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,080 buffet breakfast at the start where you actually just sit down 1035 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,880 the table and use proper cutlery, not the wooden fork 1036 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,360 because the wooden fork is so disgusting. 1037 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,000 Now it's going to be like that, right? 1038 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,040 And we'll have like a fully decked out lunch. 1039 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,560 Like what's it called, Churitzko? 1040 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,120 I can't remember that how you actually pronounce the Brazilian 1041 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,400 BBQ word that we're going to do that for dinner. 1042 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,400 It's going to be great. I'm so excited and now I'm 1043 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,080 hungry. Why did we talk about food? 1044 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,160 You're like, oh, Are you ready for your cut of meat? 1045 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,800 Please move your planner to the side. 1046 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,320 It's just slicing all pieces. Delicious. 1047 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,640 And bring it down when they're like big knife, like, yeah, just 1048 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,520 cutting off a piece of lamb, like, yeah. 1049 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,440 I love it. I love it so much. 1050 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,920 All right, so we've covered a lot of things here. 1051 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,840 I think one of the other things I wanted to mention that I know 1052 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,920 I would love, but also it's because like I love talking with 1053 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,760 people so much is like the opportunity for the meet and 1054 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,560 greets. And but like, again, I'm not 1055 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,520 speaking poorly of other things. How I would want an organized 1056 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,560 would be. Maybe it just would be like 1057 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,280 smaller group sessions, right? Like if you wanted to go and 1058 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,640 like meet and actually like talk with like Amanda, you know, 1059 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,760 Rachel Lee, for instance, I always think about her because 1060 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,200 people like love to see her. Like you want to come and talk 1061 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,720 to Jess and like have like an actual like like round table 1062 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,640 conversation, get to meet and like explore and do things 1063 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,880 together. Like maybe that's like a side 1064 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,600 space where you can sign up and like go and do those things. 1065 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,200 So you know what to get, I definitely think I would love 1066 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,480 that, especially like, you know, think like Martha Stewart was 1067 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,720 there. Not that I was too worried about 1068 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,560 meeting Martha Stewart, let's just be honest. 1069 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,760 But like, you know, but what if you were really excited? 1070 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,880 Like some people would like that opportunity to like meet those 1071 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,760 people and have a conversation with them. 1072 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,400 So I think at my Perfect Planner conference, I would have some 1073 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,280 type of setting or workshop or whatever where people could sign 1074 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,560 up and like do something like that with their favorite 1075 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,640 influencer or YouTube celebrity or planner celebrity, whatever 1076 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,400 it is. Because I just think again, if 1077 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,280 I'm adding to the experience of like what I'm paying for, like 1078 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,160 I'm getting cool swag, I'm getting fed very well. 1079 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,680 I get to actually meet like these really exciting people 1080 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,840 that for many times or what draw people to these conferences as 1081 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,240 well. I would definitely want to be 1082 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:36,000 able to like provide people with that actual opportunity. 1083 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,720 Also make sure the person that's presented like feels comfortable 1084 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,440 with that. Like I wouldn't want to put, you 1085 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,960 know, someone in a space where they were like, hey, piece of 1086 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,960 meat that I sold tickets to this thing, sit in this room and I'm 1087 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,240 going to bombard you with people. 1088 00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:51,440 Oh, you have social anxiety. Sorry about you. 1089 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,800 They paid to be here. Like that's not what I'm looking 1090 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,600 for here. But I'm definitely looking for 1091 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,520 something where, like, again, it's like you're sitting down 1092 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,760 with the actual person that you watch on a weekly basis on 1093 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,760 YouTube and like plan along with like to be able to do that in 1094 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,880 person would be so freaking cool. 1095 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,720 I do also appreciate that when you have these kind of scheduled 1096 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,720 meet and greet times or vacations or whatnot, you are 1097 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:19,080 avoiding the possibility of people taking unflattering 1098 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,080 photos of you from weird angles because they spotted you across 1099 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,800 a room and didn't want to come say hello to you. 1100 00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,520 I always remember, I think it was like the second go wild or 1101 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,640 something, somebody took a photo of me from like the side because 1102 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,120 we were lining up for something being like, oh, it's Jess, but I 1103 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,280 like don't want to go say hi. I'm like, please come and say 1104 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,080 hi. That is an awful picture. 1105 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,640 We will get a much better one together. 1106 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,800 Like, let's not do that. Yeah, just like having those 1107 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,360 opportunities again, it's hard to tell though, like going into 1108 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,160 those things, like I won't lie to you, I don't, I personally 1109 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,160 don't feel like a lot of people know who I am. 1110 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,880 I am pleasantly surprised when they do stop and say hello and 1111 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,120 do that. But like I'm not expecting it by 1112 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,840 any means. So like maybe there's a part of 1113 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,880 me and I don't again, what it looks like to, to have those 1114 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,800 opportunities, which I think are super cool. 1115 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,680 But it's just one of those ideas I guess where I'm like, I guess 1116 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,400 you would have to know that the person was like very famous or 1117 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,480 like very popular in that niche space to, to draw in the people 1118 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,320 that would want to even do that. Because how sad. 1119 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,600 Like Mark is sitting in a room and like 4 people show up and 1120 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,480 I'm just like, oh, this is very sad. 1121 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,880 Meanwhile, Jess's room people are like, knocking each other 1122 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,360 over to get in there to like, figure out what their citrical 1123 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,360 planning looks like. Yeah, eventually you will learn 1124 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,400 the word and you will be like fluent proficient at saying it. 1125 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,120 But no, I did very much appreciate having playing our 1126 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,200 little meet and greet for the last go while. 1127 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,680 That was a lot of fun because, you know, there's always that 1128 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,320 kind of like kneeling feeling in the back of your head, like, OK, 1129 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,000 nobody's going to show up. I'm just going to like stand 1130 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,240 here really awkwardly for half an hour or whatnot. 1131 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,560 But it got to the point where they kind of had to bring over 1132 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,200 another table because like, we were just like chatting too 1133 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,920 much, I guess, with the people who showed up just having some 1134 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,440 yarns, having our bands. And they're like, yeah, we 1135 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,960 actually have another one scheduled on the hour. 1136 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,760 So if you could like move to the side now because we need to 1137 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,240 bring another table over for them. 1138 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,600 That was really awkward. But it was really good getting 1139 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,760 to meet people. I think that's the the most fun 1140 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,520 with these kind of events and conferences and such is getting 1141 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,160 to meet people who you might have only interacted with online 1142 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,440 as well. Not even necessarily people who 1143 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,000 are like, I don't know, like content creators or whatever in 1144 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,200 the space. But more so just the people who 1145 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,880 like, you know, you followed them for ages on Instagram or 1146 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,840 whatnot. You know, just liking each 1147 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,960 other's stuff back and forth or like hanging out in the DMS or 1148 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,600 whatever else and being able to be together in the same space, 1149 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,520 even though you may not necessarily live close enough to 1150 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,960 each other to make that happen all that often. 1151 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:47,360 It's really cool getting to hang out with your online friends 1152 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,360 IRL. Oh, 100 percent, 100%. 1153 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,920 All right, so we have talked about a lot in our perfect 1154 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,120 planner situation. Anything that we haven't talked 1155 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,520 about just that is like an absolute must have for you at 1156 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,560 your Just as Perfect planner palace. 1157 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,840 I feel like it's going to have to be consideration of price 1158 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,480 point because I feel like now it's we're doing all inclusive 1159 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,400 and we're going to like, you know, have the five star hotel 1160 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,960 with the luxury resort feel with whatever it was Brazilian BBQ 1161 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,680 for dinner, which I'm like so excited for. 1162 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,880 This is gonna be great buffet breakfast. 1163 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,600 Yeah, cash me outside. How about that? 1164 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,920 Hopefully it's not gonna be too spenny because I still have to 1165 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,760 get my butt there on top of my ticket price. 1166 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,960 Yeah, it reminds me a little bit about like my wife is a big Dave 1167 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,960 Matthews Band fan and like every year he does this big concert in 1168 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,320 like Mexico at an all inclusive resort. 1169 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:38,120 And I was like, that would be so fun cuz it's like a vacation and 1170 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,840 a concert at the same time. But like it's always very 1171 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,040 expensive. But again, it's a vacation and a 1172 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,920 concert at the same time. So yeah, I don't know. 1173 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,720 I mean, cuz I'm even the type of person in the past that have 1174 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:53,960 like it seemed like a lot like when you were in DC, like I 1175 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,120 totally snuck in the side door to say hi. 1176 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,400 Like I did not pay to go to that conference because it seemed 1177 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,160 expensive for me personally. But I also didn't know really 1178 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,960 what I was getting or wasn't getting. 1179 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,600 So I couldn't really figure out like what that, you know, cost 1180 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,600 value kind of trade really looked like. 1181 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,760 So I do agree with you. Again, we're not that side of 1182 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,400 the table. We would hire business people 1183 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,720 and party planners to make this work for us to like make it 1184 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,680 happen. But I do think it's a very 1185 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,280 important part because, you know, I don't know how the 1186 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,640 business end of a conference works necessarily. 1187 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,280 This is why I don't have a blank check from anybody to do a thing 1188 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,560 because everybody would be broke, but we would make no 1189 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:39,200 money. I know it's also important to 1190 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,160 make a money at these things too. 1191 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,400 Make up money what the. Hell, make the money. 1192 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,960 Make the money, but this idea that, you know, you're getting 1193 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,280 the value for what you're paying for, especially if the travel is 1194 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,720 an additional cost on top of that ticket and you know that 1195 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,120 you're going to be spending money there, you know, and kind 1196 00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,360 of all the other things. Yeah, it's definitely something 1197 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,840 that is not an afterthought for me, but I don't think I'm as 1198 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,880 thoughtful about it. But also most of the time, at 1199 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,200 least in my experiences, I'm not travelling halfway across the 1200 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,880 world to go to these things. Yeah, it's when the ticket price 1201 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,120 starts getting like too close to the actual airfares. 1202 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,280 You're just like, I don't know about this. 1203 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,000 It's kind of like anytime I buy a notebook from certain brands, 1204 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,280 it's like, so the shipping is actually exactly the same as the 1205 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,480 notebook. Do I really want this? 1206 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,440 The answer is yes. She still buys it. 1207 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,040 She still gets it. Same I do without Dream Planner 1208 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,600 Conference. Yes, she will still be there. 1209 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,760 It's going to be a great time. Just for reference, we're not 1210 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,920 actually planning a dream conference yet, like ever. 1211 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,680 I don't want to like put it out there because then people will 1212 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,600 start making like expectations around this. 1213 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,000 And all of this is hearsay because, you know, if we 1214 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,400 actually got into planning an event that we're not planning on 1215 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,480 doing, But never say never, I'm sure that then like, the 1216 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,000 realities of the situation would kick in and be like, yeah, cool, 1217 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,520 so you wanted XYZ, but you actually get ABZ and you're just 1218 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,440 gonna have to like, deal. But like, that's not a lamb of 1219 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,200 leg, that is a lamb of pigeon. That's all that we could afford 1220 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,880 for you to offer. No, we don't see baby pigeons. 1221 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,000 Pigeons are very secretive about their offspring. 1222 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,720 This is a complete random tangent thought, but yeah, 1223 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,120 truth. It is. 1224 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,640 That's very true. The pigeon. 1225 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,760 The pigeon conspiracy theory. Yeah, This whole thing together 1226 00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,280 does sound like a lot of fun. And you're right. 1227 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,680 If there are any multi million billionaires out there that 1228 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,040 would like to, you know, go in on this, not really going if you 1229 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,800 would like to fund the entire thing, but you would like, you 1230 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,280 know, two people that aren't big fans of planners and planner 1231 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,320 people and planner pals, hit us up and let us know. 1232 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,960 We'll be happy to spend your money for an all inclusive 1233 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,320 planner conference. Yeah, and you can reach us at 1234 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,920 plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or I think you're actually gonna do 1235 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,760 it, but it'd be pretty sweet. I don't know if I would trust me 1236 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,400 with that level of fundage, but it would be kind of fun. 1237 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,600 But of course, Planner Pals, we would love to hear from you. 1238 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,400 If you were planning your dream planner event or planner 1239 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,600 conference, what kind of things would you include? 1240 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,040 What would not be included? Let us know either in the 1241 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,040 comments over on YouTube or hit us up at 1242 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,640 plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or over on Instagram at Planner 1243 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,480 Pals Podcast. We'll take all those into 1244 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,440 consideration as our sugar daddy or Mama gives us all the funds 1245 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:15,920 we need to make this thing happen. 1246 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,720 But as always, punter pals, we'll talk to you next time and 1247 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:19,520 thanks for watching.