1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,240 Welcome to the Planner of Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted by two 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,040 true planner pals. I am Jess or Jessie Curran. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,680 And my name is Mark, and I go by Mark your pages. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,280 We are your planner pals. Planner pals favorite podcast. 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,000 I stole that from somebody. Can you guess who I stole that 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,160 from? Certainly not me, because that 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,400 is like a mouthful that I'm not going to be able to say. 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,600 Well, let our platter files decide where that one came from. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,280 But first of all, we just wanted to thank you all for all of your 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,320 great comments on the last podcast talking about our stacks 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,800 for 2025. I had to tell you just how many 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,520 people messaged me. And we're like, I love that you 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,200 left in the part where you tried to cut Jess off and stop her. 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,360 And I was like, I literally didn't think there were could 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,800 been anymore notebooks you could have had in your stack. 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,960 I swear. My feelings, I'm just like I'm 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,280 excuse me bish, I am not done here. 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,120 You cannot silence me. I'm just like the everyday 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,120 journal is like the most important journal. 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,640 It needs to get mentioned last. I mean, I don't know how you 21 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,200 don't start with that journal. You're like, let me talk about 22 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,760 all these little obscure ones I have everywhere. 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,000 Not the most important one for your entire day, you know. 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,040 Start with the boring one that everybody has. 25 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,400 You always go in with all of the other things that are like, oh, 26 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,160 what's that? Do I need one of these? 27 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,800 Do I need a lineup that's 11 journals deep? 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,920 I mean, I definitely about that throughout. 29 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,720 I know a few of the comments on the video too. 30 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,040 They were like, wow, listening to Jess makes me feel like I'm 31 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,760 not doing enough. I was like, well, Jess is 32 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,400 special. She's she's tracking. 33 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,080 It's her life now. This is your life. 34 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,480 You have to have all this fun stuff. 35 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Exactly. Everything is content. 36 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,560 Everything is content. Like if I was not a content 37 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,720 creator, I probably wouldn't have quite as many. 38 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,480 But they do have, you know, their own unique functions and 39 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,200 they do help me get organized in different areas of my life. 40 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,560 So the lineup would probably be a little bit smaller, maybe less 41 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,440 R&D notebooks, but I still like to have a big stack. 42 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,800 No, it definitely is a good one and it perfectly feeds into our 43 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,080 topic today because we are going to be talking about notebooks 44 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,120 specifically. Jess, why don't you go and tell 45 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,440 of our planner pals where we'll be focusing our time? 46 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,400 So as people who have quite a few notebooks, if you haven't 47 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,120 noticed already, we, we do find that there are some things that 48 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,560 are kind of make or breaks things that kind of say, yes, 49 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,160 I'm going to get this. This is going to be one that I 50 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,520 add to my stash and ones that rule the notebooks out 51 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,960 completely. So, thinking about our planning 52 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,320 must haves when it comes to a new notebook, what are those 53 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,920 things? Do we differ on any of our 54 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:21,800 opinions? I'm eager to get your thoughts 55 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,560 on this mark, but what would be like the first of your must 56 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,960 haves when it comes to a new notebook? 57 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Absolutely. Well, the first thing I do is I 58 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:34,080 100% judge a book by its cover. When it comes to my notebooks 59 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,600 and my planners and everything else, I want something that 60 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,320 looks good. I will say that that has changed 61 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,480 and have upgraded a little bit over time. 62 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,680 When I first started, I was just like, what's the cheapest thing 63 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,840 out there? I don't care what the cover is. 64 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,960 I think I even had like a pink glitter one at one point I got 65 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,000 from like a dollar bin at a craft store just because it was 66 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,720 like, I don't know anything just yet. 67 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,200 But as I started to learn more about the paper and the notebook 68 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,880 and the makes and the brands and the quality, it really has made 69 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,040 a big difference. And I think for me personally, 70 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:09,120 the covers really help show your personality and especially if 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 it's something that you're carrying around with you if you 72 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,920 go to work or even if you're at home, in our case, taking 73 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:17,200 pictures of our notebooks and talking about them, there has to 74 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,840 be something that you're excited about. 75 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,000 And I definitely think the covers and the quality of them 76 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,680 are very cool. So I would just say for myself, 77 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,960 you know, Archer and Olive has been one that I've been a big 78 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,160 fan of over the years. I think when I first started 79 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,240 collecting their notebooks and using their notebooks, I was the 80 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,160 plain Jane. But this also was before they 81 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:40,240 started putting out more masculine, less designer leak. 82 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,800 I'll say designer leak, less floral, not things that I'm 83 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,160 necessarily looking. I want to be careful around this 84 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,040 because when I start describing journals with like gender 85 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,040 themes, people get upset. I also don't personally like to 86 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,080 do that, but it's just like the thing that we've always kind of 87 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,320 known. Like I just don't really prefer 88 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,360 more feminine floral kind of cover. 89 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,120 And earlier when Archer and all was doing that, that was kind of 90 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,320 their thing. So I would go for or they're 91 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,560 just blank journals that were blue or black or whatever. 92 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,200 But now the Halloween one they just came out with with like the 93 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,959 red moon and the bats. Like that's the kind of stuff 94 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:18,839 I'm looking for. That's why I think I love their 95 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,960 Halloween collections so much. No, that's very fair. 96 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,120 I think that Halloween collections are always one to 97 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,560 look out for. I have been really enjoying 98 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,600 their full cover designs. I am completely a sucker for 99 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,920 full cover designs. The one thing that I've started 100 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,120 really paying attention to, weirdly, is spine design. 101 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,000 Just getting very excited about the idea of like, oh, you spent 102 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,360 time, effort and energy to decorate the spine of the 103 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,480 notebook? Because when you display it on 104 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,960 the shelf, most of the time that's kind of what you see. 105 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,280 So it is nice to have some decoration there. 106 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,880 I wouldn't say it's necessarily like a make or break like oh 107 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,640 God, I'm only going to buy your notebook if it has spine design, 108 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,840 but it is very much a nice to have. 109 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,680 I was very much like you as well. 110 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,520 Started off in my kind of notebook journey and being like 111 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,440 very plain Jane, as you said, I like the simple colors, just one 112 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,360 standard color, no kind of iconography on the front or 113 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,520 anything like that. I was only when I guess getting 114 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,200 introduced to Archer and Olive. I think my what my first journal 115 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,440 from them was a black linen cover with the Crescent moon 116 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,600 design with the little stars. And I'm like, I'm a sucker for 117 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,800 stars and sparkles And it was kind of like simple enough that 118 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,120 I could trick myself into being like, this is fine, you know, 119 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,240 it's only something a little bit of decoration. 120 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,160 It's not going to be too like gaudy or out there or anything. 121 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,720 Since then, Haha, yeah, Nope. I much, much more prefer having 122 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,680 notebooks that do have those full cover designs. 123 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,920 I think they, the artistry that goes into it is just so 124 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,120 gorgeous. Having said that though, I'm not 125 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,280 just going to get a notebook because it has a full cover 126 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:45,880 design. I am a bit of a persnickety 127 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,160 biscuit with this. I think that that's fine when 128 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,360 you've got as many notebooks as we have, It does pay to have 129 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,280 some points that you're a little bit more picky on. 130 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,080 Otherwise your house gets overrun with notebooks and then 131 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,640 your partner leaves you and says Nope, it's me, all the notebooks 132 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,760 and all this. Your partner sets up a stack of 133 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,160 notebooks and they stand on the other side of the room and you 134 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,160 have to choose. You're like, I mean, could I 135 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,640 take a handful of notebooks over with you or is it all or nothing 136 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,880 here? You're right, it's like an 137 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,720 intervention. They pull the banner down. 138 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,480 It's just like you need to stop. It's just like the letter. 139 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,880 Like Jess, I'm very worried about your lifestyle that you've 140 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,840 chosen for yourself. You spend absorbent amounts of 141 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:25,320 money on paper. Think about our family first. 142 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,320 I think that's the thing because every soft and Vogel and I will 143 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,400 have a conversation about, you know, finances and stuff, 144 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,080 running a household, whatever. And he'll be like, oh, I don't 145 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,040 know, you know, how much did you spend on notebooks? 146 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,640 I'm like, haha, like nothing. Because that's the thing. 147 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,600 We work with a lot of brands that do send us free product. 148 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,920 So yes, I have quite a few notebooks, but in terms of how 149 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,720 much I spent on them, significantly less than I think 150 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,240 people would probably assume. It's been something I pay 151 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,480 attention to now whenever I'm looking at different notebooks, 152 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,800 whether again, it's something a brand that we're working with or 153 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,920 not. When you're a creator and a 154 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,760 content creator and people do want to send you stuff, I do pay 155 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,520 attention to that. I don't just like accept 156 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,320 anything if it really doesn't fit into my general aesthetic, 157 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:06,960 which is kind of all over the place. 158 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,160 But if it's like overly one way or the other, I just don't want 159 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,040 to have to like start a video and be like, here's this ultra 160 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,600 floral design that I would never ever use just to be like, oh, I 161 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,320 have a notebook. I definitely pay attention to 162 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,000 the style, the design that's really important to me. 163 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,560 And even when I was designing the notebook for Archer and all 164 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,360 of that I did earlier this year, I mean, I spent a lot of time, I 165 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,280 did a whole video talking about like all the different 166 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,840 directions that I could have went with it. 167 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,680 But I think the cover is such an important part of a notebook, 168 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,600 like I said, to really show off your personality and not just 169 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,400 our turn out, but other brands are doing a lot of really cool 170 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,160 things. The notebook covers now too. 171 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,360 I was looking back through some of my collection as well, and I 172 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,200 have one that had almost like a cushy cover a little bit. 173 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,040 It was like a really cool like Botanical had a lot of like 174 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,320 succulents and monsteras on it, but it was like a does she 175 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,160 cover? I don't know what else to really 176 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,800 call it, but I was like this was really cool. 177 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,520 This was something a little bit different in that that tactile 178 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,800 miss of it, or again, if something's raised or if it's 179 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,240 embossed or debossed like that just is really awesome to me. 180 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Now that good point about the tactile thing because there are 181 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,440 certain cover materials that I just preferred not to have any 182 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,320 of the covers that have like fluffy covers on them. 183 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,320 I like, I just feel like it's a dust trap. 184 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,920 I don't want a sham wow as a notebook but like. 185 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,400 I think I I know what notebooks you're talking about. 186 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,000 Yeah, but it seems to be coming more common as well because, you 187 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,480 know, we had a certain brand that was producing them and now 188 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,200 I'm seeing a couple more pop up. That's really not my preferred. 189 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,159 I know that some people have real issues with the velvet 190 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,159 style covers, like just the feel of them gives them the ick, 191 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:45,440 which is fair. I don't necessarily get the ick 192 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,480 from it, but it's not my preferred because it will pick 193 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,160 up dust, it will get dirty and start looking a little manky. 194 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,160 I don't really want my journal to look a manky. 195 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,240 I'm also kind of picking with different types of the vegan 196 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,600 leather. I I like to call it faux 197 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,440 leather. Vegan leather sounds Ponzi. 198 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,840 I mean, that's the purpose, especially with the luxury 199 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,280 brand, at least like Archer and Oliver's always saying that and 200 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,240 people are like, that's not faux leather. 201 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,760 That's plasticide to sell equal Gee, and I'm like, it's 202 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,000 whatever. It's it's not actual real 203 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,400 leather. Comment down. 204 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:16,200 I think that just having the different types of faux leather 205 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,760 as well is also kind of a a bit tricky because some of them are 206 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,520 a little bit hit and miss. Some of them do hold up quite 207 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,280 well to, you know, increase amounts of use, where some of 208 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,400 them it's like, oh, I opened this notebook twice and now it's 209 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,560 kind of like ripping at the seams a little bit. 210 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:31,920 I also know what notebook you're talking about as well because we 211 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,840 both have that notebook and both of the covers are the only 212 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,920 notebook I have that the notebook cover is falling off. 213 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,560 I know what you're saying. I also am not a huge fan now of 214 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:43,840 the old lending covers from Archer and Olive because they 215 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,040 are so grimy. Or what word did you use about 216 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,520 it? I spiked your word better. 217 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,080 Manky. Manky yes, Manky. 218 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,680 That's such a good dude. They're so manky and I was just, 219 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:57,360 I was doing something the other day when I was recording and I 220 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,560 pulled out one of my my very first square notebook and it's 221 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:03,600 just not very nice on the covers or where you touch it all the 222 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,440 time. I love the new like Berkram. 223 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,080 I love the faux leather because they don't get like that and my 224 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,600 fingers get grimy and and it just discolors because of that. 225 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,120 I don't know if they have dirty hands. 226 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,200 It's just like the oils on your hands even were transferring. 227 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,280 So that's why now as I'm taking a look at everything, I do pay 228 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,040 attention to it now. I actually ask like what is the 229 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,880 cover made out of because I don't want to have a notebook 230 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,040 with all my manky fingerprints all over it. 231 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,640 Now I have one notebook that was a linen cover and I don't even 232 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,240 know how it happened, but it has a food stain on the back of it. 233 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,240 What was I eating? Where was I eating? 234 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,280 You don't leave my desk. So it was a little odd, but 235 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,400 especially on those kind of like paler colored notebooks, which 236 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,640 is usually not what I tend towards anyways. 237 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,400 And that's why this notebook in particular got used as an R&D 238 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,280 journal because I'm like, I still want to use you. 239 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,240 It's just that I'm not going to use you for my everyday carry 240 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,400 type deal. But those ones, they tend to get 241 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,920 kind of like grayish around the outside. 242 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,200 It's like, you know, you do pencil erasings or whatever and 243 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,720 it just kind of like scuffs around on your desk and whatnot. 244 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,200 You don't even need to be a particularly messy person, but 245 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,160 it just kind of happens. But what would be your next big 246 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,480 consideration? Your next kind of must have for 247 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:11,800 a new notebook? Yeah. 248 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,120 So it's similar type of ideas that I've come to learn about 249 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,320 different notebooks is the type of paper that is in those 250 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,280 notebooks. So again, when I was buying that 251 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,400 dollar bin paper, I had no idea what that meant. 252 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,280 And it was like you would write with a regular gel pen on and it 253 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,800 would just like bleed through 6 pages, you know, like it was 254 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,160 just, I don't even know why they make those notebooks. 255 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,080 There is no point in those notebooks. 256 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,840 But over time I definitely have learned a lot about it. 257 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,880 I can understand, you know, there could be a lower GSM paper 258 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,960 and still handle products very well. 259 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,680 I think about like Tama River papers always people always 260 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,480 talking about and it was just like, yeah, that holds on the 261 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,400 ink and all really well. But that is paper thin, you 262 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,680 know, like there is paper thin paper. 263 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:55,400 You can only really write on one side of that type of page. 264 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,480 So for me, going from something like a loystrom, which I don't 265 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,360 know what loystroms are, if they're 7075 or 80GSM. 266 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:06,800 I think they were 80 and they now sell 120 as well, so it 267 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,520 depends on which one you get. We probably use the 80 though. 268 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,680 Yeah, the very first ones that we got were before I even knew 269 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:14,760 what any of that was. And then I think all of them now 270 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,160 are 120 or at least the bulletjournal.com Loystroms that 271 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,520 they partner with. I know we're all 120 now too, 272 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,720 but to be very honest with you, I don't see a huge difference 273 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,760 between the original Loystrom and the 120. 274 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,120 Maybe with a handful of pens, but honestly I don't. 275 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,320 And the ghosting for me is just a no no. 276 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:34,600 I can't help it. I think we were talking about 277 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,520 that on a previous episode. Like I get the ick, whatever. 278 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,640 I see it where I don't want to see it again. 279 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,160 If I'm buying, you know, a Hobonichi or Night Owl planner 280 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,920 or something like that, I know what I'm going to expect from 281 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,360 that because I know the type of paper. 282 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,880 But for a regular journal I'm using all the time. 283 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,840 I just need something thicker. And the 160 GSM from Archer and 284 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,320 Olive has always worked well for me for the different things I'm 285 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,240 throwing at it. But now I'm starting to pay a 286 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,840 little bit more attention to if it's coated paper or if it's 287 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,440 not, because now that I'm including fountain pens more, 288 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,320 that does make a difference. And also, I know it doesn't 289 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,520 always have to be 160 GSM to still be good paper, because I 290 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,000 know there are other types of like lower GSM's, but they're 291 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,960 just made differently. I that's the other thing too, 292 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,240 Jess. Like I didn't know how many 293 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,000 different paper types there were until you start looking into 294 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,760 different type of notebooks and companies and papers and stuff 295 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,000 like that and it gets kind of wild. 296 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,280 So for me, it's becoming really important to make sure that my 297 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,680 paper can hold on to the materials that I'm actually 298 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,960 using now. And after bullet journaling 299 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,480 since 2017, I know the products that I like to use. 300 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,680 I know what I'm going to use in it. 301 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:45,400 And therefore I don't have to worry too much about like, well, 302 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,280 what if I want to use an alcohol marker? 303 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,720 I know you don't do that in any type of paper now. 304 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,520 So it's not a problem to be like, let's test to see if it 305 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,000 works. It doesn't work. 306 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,600 Can it handle fountain pen ink? And can it handle mild liners 307 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,920 and every now and again like a highlighter or maybe watercolor 308 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,680 if I'm feeling fancy? Yeah, I think the paper 309 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,920 considerations, it's always like, what are you actually 310 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,240 going to be using in here? Because like you said, if you 311 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,360 want to use your fountain pens, then something coated is 312 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,280 probably going to be better. I don't use fountain pens so I 313 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,560 don't really give a toss. But if you're doing 314 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:18,200 watercolouring, it also can be nice to use some coated paper 315 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,440 because then it doesn't sink into the page so readily. 316 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,880 Means you have time to like blend colours and stuff like 317 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,640 that. So for me, I kind of like you 318 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,520 said, very kind of set in my ways when it comes to which 319 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,000 materials I do tend to use. And I find that 160 GSM does 320 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,440 work quite well for that. Uncoated paper means my pens dry 321 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,800 faster. So I have come to appreciate 322 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,880 that. I don't I can't with ghosting. 323 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,880 I really can't. But I think that's mainly 324 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,120 because I make content. So it's like when I was, you 325 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,440 know, taking pictures for Instagram or whatever and 1st 326 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,120 trying to like make my videos and stuff. 327 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,160 You don't really want to see through to the other side of the 328 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,680 page because you want to show what you're working on on the 329 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,200 current spread. So that was kind of one of the 330 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,480 deciding factors for me moving away from the LT19 Seventeens 331 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,480 because I just could not get over the fact that everything 332 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,880 would show through to the other side. 333 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,520 If I was just using black pen in a notebook, I'd probably be fine 334 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,560 with it. But because I do like to do, you 335 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,160 know, a bit of decoration with Tombos or like second line 336 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,920 highlights or whatever and stuff like that. 337 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,440 I'd like it to be decorative. I'd like it to be pretty and I 338 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,720 don't want to see kind of like duplicates of these different 339 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,400 designs that I've put in the notebook. 340 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,240 I think a big consideration for me is going to be like not 341 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,080 necessarily like the type of the paper, but what's actually 342 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,680 printed on to the paper. I like my dot grid. 343 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,320 I don't use lined notebooks. I needed to have the dots though 344 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,720 so I have some kind of reference. 345 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,160 Otherwise everything would be very skew with caddywhompus. 346 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,400 Like Can you imagine trying to rule up a calendar grid without 347 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,680 any dot references? I did it one time. 348 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,520 I was experimenting with a line journal to see if I could make 349 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,560 it work. And essentially what I ended up 350 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,560 doing was just making tick marks with the ruler to like break it 351 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,680 down into like millimeters anyway. 352 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,640 But I was like, well, I, you know, let's see if he could do 353 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,440 this. And I was like, this is not 354 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,160 worth it. I could not draw a straight line 355 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,640 for the life of me. Even though I was lining things 356 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,000 up. It wasn't a good experience for 357 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,600 me. I was like, I'm going to have to 358 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,520 print out a dot grid essentially to paste inside of here to use 359 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,960 or just don't use that type of notebook. 360 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Yeah, I think like it's certainly doable, but the amount 361 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,400 of time, effort, energy that is then spend, like just just 362 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,160 trying to set up a calendar, I'm like, Nah, I'm going to do the 363 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,400 dot grid because then you've got your vertical reference and your 364 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,400 horizontal reference, but it's not so like, you know, in your 365 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,080 face that you can't do kind of like doodles decorations over 366 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,440 the top. I guess that's also another 367 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,520 consideration is what the dots actually look like. 368 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,440 There have been some notebooks that I've gotten which I 369 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,600 certainly will not purchase again because the dots are 370 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,160 either like they're too big or they're too small or they're too 371 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,720 dark or they're too faint or like it's very much like the 372 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,640 Goldilocks dot. Where's that at? 373 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,720 Well, yeah, when you buy an off brand notebook, I have a pocket 374 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,960 notebook that was like that and I was, I looked at it and I was 375 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,520 like there are maybe 6 squares on this piece of paper because 376 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,000 they were so big and so spaced out. 377 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,000 I was like there is no point to this. 378 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,040 I do have a question for you though about the doc grid or the 379 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,960 grid. Have you ever used a notebook or 380 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,720 no brands that have the line grid? 381 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,720 Because I'm interested in trying that as like a full time 382 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,640 notebook, not as like I think Kobenichi does that. 383 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,040 I love the Tama River paper or at least the planners we get 384 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,119 have the line grid. But have you seen any like more 385 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,040 like it's not a bullet journal unless you're doing the bullet 386 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,680 journal method. I know that but does other do 387 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,160 other brands do that? I know that scribbles that 388 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,160 matter does. I'm currently using this what 389 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,280 kokuyo or whatever. This is a scribble book though 390 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,040 this isn't like a proper bullet journal, but scribbles that 391 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,640 matter I think does do a grid notebook. 392 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,160 Except they don't ship to New Zealand, so oh. 393 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,160 You know who else does? Actually, I was just thinking 394 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,960 about that. I don't know if there's, I think 395 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,640 they're still around. Dingbats also does a grid one. 396 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,200 I think I tried out one of theirs. 397 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,960 Nice. Yeah, The thing that I have with 398 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,440 Dingbats, and this is not like an actual issue because like I'm 399 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,240 all for dingbats and the reasoning behind their brand and 400 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,160 all of this kind of thing. It's just the papers aren't 401 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,160 bright white. And that's another consideration 402 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,440 that I have for the paper because I want my inks to show 403 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,200 up in their kind of like truest color. 404 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,640 So if I don't have bright white, that it always ends up being 405 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,600 like a little bit more like tinted or it just feels a little 406 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,000 more subdued because you don't have that kind of like punchy 407 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,080 contrast between your like bright colors and the white or 408 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,680 very like dark black and the white. 409 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,720 I feel that way with the craft paper notebooks. 410 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,880 As much as I absolutely love the way things look on there, you do 411 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,840 have to almost expect it to look totally different. 412 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,240 Especially I was using colored pencils for a while. 413 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,360 I got into for like a hot 2nd and I was using them inside of 414 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,400 there to do something and I was like, and I'm already color 415 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,800 deficient as is. And then they added like this 416 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,120 warm hue to it. And I was like, I don't even 417 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,440 know what this, what is this, this color? 418 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,320 It looks totally different, but it's you have to kind of expect 419 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,960 it. I do love the way things look on 420 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,320 craft paper though, but I've never used a craft paper 421 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,120 notebook as a full time notebook. 422 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:54,680 It's always been like an R&D journal. 423 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,200 Same thing for a blackout as well. 424 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,240 I think it looks cool for fun projects but I haven't I think. 425 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,640 Didn't Erica one time craffinator? 426 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,120 Didn't she use a blackout notebook for a whole year? 427 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,480 I'm not sure. I know Aaron Flodo used like one 428 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,000 for six months, like an on off type thing, and I know that 429 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,080 Savannah Scribbles has been using a blackout and her work is 430 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,120 Oh my God, so beautiful. I was actually quite tempted to 431 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:21,720 try a Neapolitan again for next year, but I know in my heart of 432 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,800 hearts the blackout paper is not what I should be working on. 433 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,480 But I still want to experiment with it. 434 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,040 Well, I feel like you being at home though and working though 435 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:32,040 you have a little bit more opportunity to make sure you 436 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,200 have the materials that you need and I do too. 437 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,440 I mean, working remote, technically I have all the 438 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,520 materials here that could use it. 439 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,560 But I just think that if you were on the go or if you have to 440 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,360 go into the office, you just have to be so prepared. 441 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,480 Because if you're using the Neapolitan and you just have to 442 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,040 flip the next available page and you're on a white page and the 443 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,280 next available 1 is tan or black, it's like, well, do I 444 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,880 have the right pen to be able to write on this paper? 445 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,280 And if you don't, you're kind of screwed. 446 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,160 Yeah, I just find that like the dry time for gel pens in general 447 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,520 and not like gel ink pens, but I'm thinking like, you know, 448 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,280 Jelly roll, like you know, colored pop thing, whatever the 449 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,400 dry time for that. And then also the transfer that 450 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,200 I was getting. Just the heebie jeebies. 451 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,280 Do not like it. Yeah. 452 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,480 You're absolutely right, I didn't think about that for the 453 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,480 blackout paper, it does transfer a lot. 454 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,040 Yeah, And then you just again, it's it's effectively like a 455 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,200 ghosting 2.0. It's like you're not seeing 456 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,400 through the page, you're just seeing a transfer of what was on 457 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,200 one side to the other. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, I 458 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,440 drew out my design. I don't want all this extra 459 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,880 stuff all over it, but. What is that? 460 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,480 Like an opaque transfer? Like a opaque ghosting. 461 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,960 Either way, it's not something I want in my notebook. 462 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,280 So yeah, I want to make sure that my paper bright white so 463 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,880 that I can use the pens that I want to. 464 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,280 It's not going to do any transfer. 465 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,800 It's not going to do any ghosting or bleeding. 466 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,600 And it has dots that just make sense. 467 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,120 I think another one for me like kind of a must have more than 468 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:56,360 just a nice to have would be an elastic closure. 469 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,160 Like I don't have a tendency to use bookmarks. 470 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,800 Oftentimes I get like caught under my foot when I'm sitting 471 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,640 cross legged on the couch and I'm ripping them out 472 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,800 accidentally. OK, as as a side note that 473 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,760 happened in the one notebook that I actually use the bookmark 474 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,680 in Devastator, but it is quick. But no in terms of the 475 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,880 bookmarks, I don't really typically use them. 476 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,400 It the elastic closure though is quite important. 477 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,040 I do like to have my notebook closed. 478 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,120 I also have a tendency to know have little like slips of paper 479 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:24,480 that I've stuck in there, not like in the back pocket just 480 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,800 slid into the notebook. And by having the elastic 481 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,880 closure, it keeps the notebook closed enough so that those 482 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,200 things don't fall out. That's a really good point 483 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:31,520 there. Yeah. 484 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,200 I don't know that I that could be Baker break for me, to be 485 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,280 honest with you. But I definitely think the page 486 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,440 ribbons. I do use those and I agree with 487 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,280 you, devastation when they fall out. 488 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:43,960 Sometimes I don't even know how they fall. 489 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,280 Clearly it's getting stuck on something and ripping out. 490 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,520 One of the things I am a big fan of in the bullet journal 491 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,080 notebooks is that they have three of them in there. 492 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,880 And I really like that because I tend to use a lot of them 493 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,840 because usually I'll have one of the page holders on like my 494 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,880 current page. And then because I'm using my 495 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,560 bullet journal at work, I'm using it for a lot of like 496 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,640 what's my next meeting to easily get to that. 497 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,400 And then I'll also have like the third one, not always in my 498 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,960 future low, but maybe like a monthly overview or a tracker 499 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,320 page is like almost like consistent for that month. 500 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,280 And I also really like that they don't add charms to their page 501 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,960 holders as well because I know that while some people love 502 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,160 that, I just really don't like it. 503 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,160 And it also gives something else to like grab on to something, 504 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,680 you know, like if it's going to hook onto your leg or whatever, 505 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,000 a solid piece of ribbon isn't likely going to do that unless 506 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,560 you have like, I don't know, super strong leg grips. 507 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,520 But otherwise, if you get a little charm hooked onto 508 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,920 something, it's definitely pulling out. 509 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:40,640 Yeah, no, I find that those ones do have a tendency to fall out 510 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,880 more often than the ones that don't have a charm. 511 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,000 I quite like the charm. I think it's cute. 512 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,280 But I also wish that the charms would match, like, the theme of 513 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,000 the notebook. And I understand it's a branding 514 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,920 thing. Like, I get it, but I just think 515 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,680 it would be kind of cute if, like, you know, you have your 516 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,800 snowflake journal with a little snowflake charm or something 517 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,280 like that. I think that would be kind of 518 00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:59,880 cool. It would be a lot more, I don't 519 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,760 know, effort, cost, that kind of stuff, but. 520 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,000 Definitely cost. So I don't know that I talked 521 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,720 about it in my video or not, but I tried to change the charm for 522 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,560 the notebook that I did for the March notebook because I had 523 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,320 talked before about not thinking that the ampersand was like 524 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,840 super professional, like having a charm like that. 525 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,480 So what I wanted to do was to replace it and do a flat version 526 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,760 of like what's on the end of a shoestring, right? 527 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,120 So like that it doesn't fray, but it would have been flat. 528 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,320 And I asked them if they would like have hammer stamped, metal 529 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,960 stamped the ampersand into like the flat rectangle. 530 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,200 I don't know if I'm describing that the right way or not, but 531 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,840 that's what I had asked for. And I remember going back and 532 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,320 forth, they were like, well, that's a lot of money and all of 533 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,320 these things. And then we were going to go for 534 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,720 it. But then we ran out of time. 535 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,160 And I was like, but use it on something though. 536 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,520 Like I think that would be so cool because it is, if you're 537 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,080 not a fan of that ampersand, I think you could do like a metal 538 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,320 cap essentially is what it would be on the end and still have the 539 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,000 branding on it. But I personally just feel like 540 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,800 it would have a very different feeling to it. 541 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,640 And I also feel like it would be slightly more professional. 542 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,840 Again, if you're worried you're a place of business and you're 543 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,200 still want to use your arch and all of notebooks because it's 544 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,840 the best one out there for you because of all the cool covers 545 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,040 and the paper. And you know, you get your 546 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040 marked notebook and it has page numbers in it. 547 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,840 You don't necessarily want to dangly ampersand. 548 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,760 I'd rather just have a flat stamp piece of metal personally. 549 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,600 That's fair. I mean, you know, that's the 550 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,800 thing. These are all kind of personal 551 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,560 preference type things because I would never even think that it 552 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,400 was an like a not professional thing. 553 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,440 Quote, quote, quote. Magquote marks everywhere here. 554 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,200 But I I find that having a charm on the end of it does make the 555 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,280 tactile feeling of the bookmark nicer because it weighs the 556 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,320 bookmark down. So it actually kind of feels 557 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,800 like it's, you know, being pulled to the end of the page. 558 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,240 I feel like I'm explaining this poorly. 559 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,680 Hopefully you kind of get what I mean. 560 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,160 I definitely understand what you're saying. 561 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,360 I see the value in that. You're saying that because it's 562 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,880 not just kind of migrating on its own because it doesn't have 563 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,160 a weight. If you're really gonna hold it 564 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,800 on your page, let it hold it down. 565 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,080 I get it. Yeah, exactly. 566 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,280 It's like a kind of like an anchor. 567 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,280 It would be really cute if there was a little anchor on one of 568 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,080 them. Just saying, But I find that one 569 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,920 of the issues that I've had previously in some notebooks is 570 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,640 actually just the bookmarks not being long enough. 571 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,400 Like literally, they did not poke out the bottom of the page. 572 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,720 Like you'd put them onto the page and there's nothing to grab 573 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,960 onto to actually flip to that page. 574 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,560 I'm like, your bookmark is literally pointless and why is 575 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,760 it here? There is no point to a bookmark 576 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,640 that you can. That's the whole. 577 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,560 Yeah. The whole idea is take it, lift 578 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,280 it, get to your pages. Lee, I'd have to have to like, 579 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,640 fish to the top of my notebook to find out where that ribbon 580 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,120 is. So that is definitely something 581 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,680 that I check anytime I go to look at a new notebook, like in 582 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,040 particular one that I have received. 583 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720 It's kind of hard to see these things online like before you 584 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,480 purchase them. But yeah. 585 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,120 In terms of your next consideration though, what would 586 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,600 be another make or break kind of thing for your notebooks? 587 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Yeah. So again, as I've gotten to know 588 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,440 more brands out there and see kind of what is out there when 589 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,480 it comes to notebook and stationery, something that's 590 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,640 really important to me now a lot more now than maybe it was 591 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,480 several years ago when I started, is the brand that I'm 592 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,440 buying it from and very much aligning myself with. 593 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,920 Maybe not 100% because I know not every brand is going to do 594 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,040 everything that you like. And I think if they're doing 595 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,200 something that you don't like, you have to make that moral 596 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,440 decision on whether or not you align to that. 597 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,880 But for the most part, if they're out there and they very 598 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,720 much align with just like your design style or your aesthetic, 599 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,320 or especially if they're a small business and you want to support 600 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,680 someone like that, I think it's really cool. 601 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,640 Like, for instance, there is a creator, Lela Journals, who has 602 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,600 been in the journal community for a very long time, and she 603 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,040 started to make her own notebooks. 604 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,560 I mean she just released them. Not that they're exactly my 605 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,280 aesthetic, but like they are really cool looking. 606 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,640 Oh my gosh, they are so beautiful. 607 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,480 Like I came across a reading journal video that somebody put 608 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,480 up on YouTube or whatever and you know, they showing off the 609 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,840 notebook at the start of the video and I'm just like, no, 610 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,440 shut up. I don't care about what you're 611 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,920 doing today. I just need to know where this 612 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,440 notebook is from because she's done such a beautiful job 613 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,000 designing them. In particular, it was one that 614 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,360 had like this kind of very intricate framing and had like a 615 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,240 ribbon or something. And like you said, it's not 616 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,200 necessarily my style or typical style, but I was very tempted. 617 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,400 Absolutely gorgeous. She's also one of the people 618 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,000 that I think has been doing one of those fluffy covers. 619 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,880 I think she has a fluffy cover now. 620 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,200 Yeah, hers are all very, like, very cute. 621 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,640 See, right. I don't know if that's how I 622 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,640 exactly say it, but they are very aesthetic. 623 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,760 They're very beautiful. Very demure, very mindful. 624 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,920 Yeah, exactly that. And they just very much align 625 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,600 with her as a brand. It's like if I'm going to 626 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,240 purchase this notebook from you, I know exactly what I'm going to 627 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,920 get. And I think, you know, even 628 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,520 someone like Amanda Rachely who does have a fluffy notebook, 629 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,040 let's just go ahead and just say that's the fluffy notebook that 630 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,160 at least I was thinking of when I saw because it's the only 631 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,160 fluffy notebook I've ever seen. But that is something too. 632 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,120 When you're buying that from her, you're like, oh, this 633 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,560 absolutely fits with her whole vibe. 634 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,280 You know exactly what you're getting from that. 635 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,000 And that's how I feel with the other brands that I'm purchasing 636 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,280 from. Sometimes they will explore, but 637 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,120 I feel like when Archer and Olive explorers, it's still an 638 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,840 Archer and Olive notebook. All of those core features of 639 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,320 the notebook are there. They're exploring things within 640 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,640 their cover usually, right? That's where they feel like they 641 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,640 play the most. And then you have someone like 642 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,800 Bullet Journal, and I'm only naming these because these are 643 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,120 the ones I buy or get the most, right? 644 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,280 But they for the most part were always very straightforward. 645 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,120 They were a color of the year and then even then now though, 646 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,040 they're starting to play around a little bit with different 647 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,400 creators and making those. I think the last one last year 648 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,480 had more of a botanical flower or something on it. 649 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,360 And then the one this year is like a foiled star pattern that 650 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:28,760 they have on there. And even with that one, I'm a 651 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,120 little funny about like because again, I wouldn't normally 652 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,160 expect that from Bullet Journal because everything before this 653 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,480 has been very minimal and very just a color. 654 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,360 But I am OK with the fact that they're exploring and doing a 655 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,560 little bit more with that because I also think from a a 656 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,520 brand perspective, and I very much respect this, having worked 657 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,040 in marketing and digital marketing and a little bit of 658 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,640 product marketing back in the day. 659 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,240 You want to invite more people into your brand. 660 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,240 They benefit more if people start to go that. 661 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,480 So if you like this cool star foil look and you're not just 662 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,440 about the basic boring flat style that has been there 663 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,480 before, you do start to invite more people into your brand. 664 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,400 And again, on the opposite side, I feel like Archer and Olive, 665 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,520 it's not just because I've been yelling about it for years, but 666 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,680 they have put out less flowery, flowery kind of covers. 667 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,160 And then I can very much align with that and be like, yeah, I'm 668 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,400 gonna buy that notebook now because it is something that I 669 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,920 want to have. I think that's a nice part about 670 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,000 the bullet journal notebooks as well is just that you know 671 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,640 internally what you're gonna get, you're always gonna get 672 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,040 those elements that are very bullet journal esque. 673 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,360 You're gonna get like you know your grid spacing guide, you're 674 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,800 gonna get the overlapping circles for their branding. 675 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,880 You're gonna get the little reference booklet that tells you 676 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,080 like how to bullet journal and stuff because they have designed 677 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,000 their notebook. So it is specifically for bullet 678 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,440 journaling. That's why I say that you can't 679 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,200 use it for other stuff. Like you can put whatever you 680 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,040 want in a notebook. We're not like the notebook 681 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,440 police or anything. But in terms of internally, you 682 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,760 know what you're getting. It's just that outside packaging 683 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,280 that's changing up a little. I think that the holographic 684 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,360 foiling is so beautiful, but I don't, I'm not going to use the 685 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,560 paper. I can't. 686 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,600 I'm not going to use. You're like, can I take off the 687 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,160 cover of this notebook, put other paper inside of it So you, 688 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,200 I know people do that with Archer and Olive notebooks. 689 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,880 I've had people offer it to me before because I was like I 690 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880 really love this cover but it has lined paper in it. 691 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,320 I remember someone was like I do this for a living. 692 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,760 I cut out books and redo whatever and I was like I like 693 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,280 it but I'm not going to pay someone to to rebind find 694 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,400 notebook for me. Yeah, I need some bujo surgery 695 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,000 type deal. Like I'm not, I'm not going to 696 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,970 do it. I'd like to just have an all in 697 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,400 But I did like your point about in terms of selecting your 698 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,680 brands, you know, that you're going to support and whatever, 699 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,880 thinking about the kind of maybe like mission or morals behind 700 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,680 those brands. Like, you know, what is it those 701 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,560 brands stand for and what do they support type of a thing? 702 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Because although it might not necessarily be like a conscious 703 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,360 choice when you're going to buy these things, by putting, you 704 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:58,080 know, your money into that brand, you are in some way 705 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,800 supporting what they stand for, if that kind of makes sense. 706 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,880 Like I'm not saying that like, oh, you know, if you go and pick 707 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,160 the wrong notebook brand to support, you're like a terrible 708 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,160 person or anything like that. No, it's just, you know, drawing 709 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,120 our own personal lines in terms of what we are OK with spending 710 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200 our money on, on versus not when it comes to what brands kind of 711 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,040 stand for, if that kind of makes sense. 712 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,240 It does. I think some areas where it 713 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,720 starts to get a little bit shady. 714 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,240 And I've seen this a handful of times where other brands will 715 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,720 copy kind of a look of a different one. 716 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,080 And it's always hard, I personally feel like to point to 717 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,920 certain things, right. But I know that there are brands 718 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,200 that have kind of copy or duped what Archer and Olive has done. 719 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,280 But I also feel like you can't be like, I have a copyright. 720 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,120 We're putting a little icon in the top center of my notebook, 721 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,040 right? There are 1,000,000 different 722 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,520 versions. I remember years ago there was 723 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,840 like the bee icon they had. There was another brand that did 724 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,720 another bee that looked similar. It wasn't exact, but that was 725 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,920 like a thing. I think now too, there's this 726 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:04,520 whole conversation around like AI art and other things like 727 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,360 that that start to come into the picture too, where there's a lot 728 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,400 of people, especially in the artist creative community that 729 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,600 is very much against AI art and creation. 730 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,800 And they are basically like, I want nothing to do with that 731 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,480 because that's not supporting other artists or it's stealing 732 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,200 from other artists to make its own thing. 733 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,880 That's just another area too where it's like if a brand was 734 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,600 to start to do that, you would just make that decision on 735 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,680 whether or not you like the look of the cover. 736 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,840 And if you're really hardcore pressed about not supporting AI 737 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,440 art. But I agree, I wouldn't hold 738 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,320 that against somebody and be like, I'm following you because 739 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,240 you bought a notebook from this company. 740 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,680 I don't know. Are there other ones you can 741 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,120 think of, Jess? And again, we don't like call 742 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,720 specific names, but I'm sure the planner pals would love us too 743 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,480 because y'all love some tea that have maybe kind of been on 744 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,200 there. There was a notebook years ago I 745 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,960 think that a lot of people like just turned against, but I can't 746 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,640 remember the name of the brand. No, I know that we've had 747 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,240 previously brands using user created content in their 748 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,000 advertising without permission. That's been an issue we have had 749 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,120 like, I don't know, keep wanting to say scrap lifting, but I 750 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,040 think that's like the nice term for it. 751 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,880 There's not shoplifting. The idea of like, you know, 752 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,960 stealing or mimicking designs. Obviously, the one that kind of 753 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,720 gets me, which is like, it's, it's a weird pet peeve, but like 754 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,000 it's still there is when a brand puts out notebook designs 755 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,240 without kind of suggesting that they weren't actually designed 756 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,400 in house. Like not to say that everything 757 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,760 has to be designed in house because you do have people or 758 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,600 like brands that you know, work with creators, do 759 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,480 collaborations, make kind of like creator LED notebooks and 760 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,760 all of that kind of stuff. But typically speaking, when 761 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,880 they do that, they put the person's name on it because 762 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,080 that's also a way to like, you know, market or advertise and 763 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,920 stuff like that. But it's more so when I think 764 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,280 companies are like marketing the notebook as like, Hey, this is 765 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,720 like our notebook, but actually it's just like a generic one 766 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,800 that they've gotten off Alibaba without any kind of like design 767 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,080 input or whatever. It's just kind of like a stock 768 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,600 standard one they've purchased off that website and now a 769 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,400 reselling under their own name. That always makes me feel a 770 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,199 little strange. And that's not to say that the 771 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,120 notebook is in good quality. That's not to say that the 772 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,600 notebook can't be like, you know exactly what you're looking for. 773 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,840 It just feels weird to say like I got this notebook from X but 774 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,960 actually it came from Y and it's being drop shipped and a whole 775 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,440 bunch of other brands have it as well. 776 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,520 Yeah, I think is it called white labeling? 777 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,280 I know that some brands do that where it's like you have a 778 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,600 general thing, but then you're just putting your own brand name 779 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,960 on it. But I think the planner notebook 780 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,840 community, like we're very aware of those type of things. 781 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,000 Like I said, the fact that a community would go against 782 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,280 another brand because it's like you swipe this from this company 783 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,719 because it looks exactly like that. 784 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,760 There are definitely some specific items, ways things are 785 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,199 produced, like you said, the insides of a notebook that are 786 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,520 similar to others. I mean, I'll go ahead out just 787 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,800 say like I was very inspired by other notebooks when I was 788 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,880 designing the one with arch and olive, like the page marks or 789 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,720 the smart marks that I call them on the bottom. 790 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,120 That is not an idea of my own. The way that I put them on there 791 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,960 though, it's like other brands do that as well. 792 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,440 But I thought let's integrate it into the actual grid versus it 793 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,320 being outside of like, again, not a new idea, but something 794 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,760 that I find very, very helpful. But I think things like that, 795 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,560 there aren't any brands. I think that where it was like 796 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,000 This Is Us. You can't find this anywhere 797 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,480 else because I know for a fact other brands have been doing 798 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,920 that. But there are some of those 799 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,760 qualities of like you just mentioned that you very much 800 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,680 look for and you kind of know, especially if you are a 801 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,760 connoisseur of notebooks. Connoisseur of notebooks? 802 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,080 There's a nicer way of saying a hoarder. 803 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,840 I think that another consideration that I I know that 804 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,000 I would personally have if I didn't get sent as much from 805 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,160 brands and stuff would just be price honestly, because while 806 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,520 there are some very beautiful notebooks out there, they are 807 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,880 kind of a pricey item a lot of the time. 808 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,560 So I can totally understand people who are getting these 809 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,880 notebooks that are, you know, these white label whatever ones 810 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,200 because they have all the features that they want at a 811 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,920 much lower price. So like totally fair. 812 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,040 I know that, like U KB UKEI think they are ones that like 813 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,200 100 and 60 GSM bright white dot grid pages, elastic closure, you 814 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,920 know all the stuff that I'm looking for, but at a much 815 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,520 cheaper price, because they are kind of like those mass produced 816 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,640 sold to many companies type notebooks. 817 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,840 I'd be, I'd be curious to try it actually because I think that it 818 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,240 would be possibly a really good notebook for people who do want 819 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:32,960 160 GSM but don't want to pay like you know, 30 five U.S. 820 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,720 dollars or more at some of these like larger brands. 821 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,760 It's something that I did think about earlier. 822 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,920 And I remember when I bought the very first Lt. 1917, I felt like 823 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,600 I was splurging and I think that notebook was maybe 20 or $25.00. 824 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,080 But at that point in time, I could not comprehend why a 825 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,680 notebook would cost more money than like 7 or $8. 826 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,160 But then after using different ones, because I used the LTS for 827 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,320 like my first two and the third one, I went to Walmart and I was 828 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,680 like, I'm getting this notebook, it's $7.00. 829 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,320 It was that's the worst notebook ever that I've ever used. 830 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,160 Talk about hating ghosting and getting the ick like that was 831 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,960 toilet paper paper I think on there. 832 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,000 But as you start to realize that so much goes into that you do 833 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,920 enjoy kind of the artistry of it. 834 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,080 I look at it very similar to fountain pens, right? 835 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,720 There's a lot of people out there who would be like, oh, I 836 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,320 would never pay more than $8 for a fountain pen. 837 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,680 I just bought a fountain pen the other day that was over $200.00. 838 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,360 But the difference is that it is custom made. 839 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,320 I know the person who's making it. 840 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,080 I've watched the entire process go through. 841 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,000 He's a small creator. Gravitas Pens is where I bought 842 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,200 it from just but I'll shut him out because I love him so much. 843 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,640 But I really felt that it was worth every penny because I know 844 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,120 what had gone into the making of that and I have a completely 845 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,040 different respect for that versus other companies who are 846 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,040 selling. Let me get myself in trouble on 847 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,320 this one that definitely are not custom made for them and they 848 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,880 are just purchasing them generically. 849 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,640 Don't hate me off of wherever and then selling them. 850 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,400 You know, it's kind of that white labeled deal. 851 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,640 You know, I get it. You don't have to love 852 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,400 everything about a brand. Right. 853 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,960 I was just like, I'm surprised that it didn't come up. 854 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,280 The feathering. Oh my God, the heebie jeebie X 855 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,760 no. Well, before we get ourselves in 856 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,640 any more trouble, Jess, I think that we could say to our planner 857 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,880 pals, we would love to hear from you and let us know what are 858 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,000 your must haves, your make or break. 859 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,880 It's for the notebooks and the planners that you're looking 860 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,520 for. And I say planners because there 861 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,520 are a lot of other predated or undated planners out there from 862 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,880 different companies that we know are planning pals are using. 863 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,560 We know it's not just bullet journal and blank dot grid 864 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,680 notebooks. While we have an affinity for 865 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,040 those, we want to hear about all the different types of planners 866 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,120 and things that you're using. So let us know down in the 867 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,520 comments of this video. Let us know in the comments of 868 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,560 the podcast. You could also e-mail us. 869 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,040 We got some emails last time Jess and I felt like it was a 870 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,560 personal 1 to one note for us. But you can e-mail us Planner 871 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,440 pals podcast@gmail.com. And of course, drop comments 872 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,160 over on Instagram The Planner Pals podcast. 873 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,280 I'm very interested to hear what other people have to say about 874 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,240 their make or breaks and must haves because obviously like I'm 875 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:19,640 just surprised Mark didn't mention page numbers. 876 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,880 Yes, I know they're nice to have, not a make or break, but 877 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,240 still. Yeah, if this was a different 878 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,280 type of video I would have harped on that forever. 879 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,400 But you know what? If you want all of my make or 880 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,680 breaks plus page numbers, go buy the rest of the notebooks over 881 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,640 an Archer Lala for the Marks and notebooks because I wanted them 882 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,480 to sell. Out they will, they will. 883 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,320 I had somebody hit me up the other day be like, Oh my God, 884 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,800 that one's beautiful. Where did you get it from? 885 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,080 Like, haha, well, that's actually a mark your page as 886 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,280 original type deal. But it's still very cool that 887 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,200 you got to work with them and make something that's like, you 888 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,160 know, it's like your baby. It's like, you know, you 889 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,640 tailored the items and pieces of a notebook that you were like 890 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,640 you wanted your your nice to haves and now like haves because 891 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,680 they're in that. I'm very eager to see your new 892 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,160 year set up. So in our next episode, we are 893 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,840 going to have even more fun talking about planners and 894 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,880 notebooks and just the planning community as a whole because we 895 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,760 are going to come up with our 2025 planner trend predictions. 896 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,720 I don't know how good I'm going to be at this jest because I'm 897 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,520 not really. Really good at like thinking 898 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,080 beyond a week from now. But we'll have fun with this 899 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,160 episode. I'm really pumped up about it 900 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,040 because I've never done this before. 901 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,600 Yeah, it's just going to be us spouting a whole bunch of 902 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,600 honestly bullshit and slander about what the journal community 903 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,400 is going to be doing next year. But I'm for it. 904 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,040 I'm so excited. If you have any predictions that 905 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,400 you, you know, think might be up on the horizon, let us know 906 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,840 about those. But for now, team, thank you for 907 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:39,440 watching.