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Hey there, and welcome to the 
Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast 

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hosted by two true planner pals.
My name is Mark and I go by Mark

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your pages. 
And I'm Jess or Jessie Karen, 

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and this episode is kind of 
special because it was actually 

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one suggested by our I don't 
know what are we calling them 

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planner pal official, but the 
team members or community 

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members over on the YouTube 
channel where we have an 

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official membership. 
Now, if you wanted to be able to

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see our episodes early ahead of 
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uploaded, then make sure to 
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there. 
But the topic we're chatting 

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thing about today is planner 
inspiration or inspiration from 

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the planner community and in 
particular the creators that we 

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love. 
The ones that we go back to time

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and time again to find 
inspiration, ideas, whatever 

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else. 
We've lined up 3 creators each 

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for you. 
And also just in the interest of

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shouting out somebody else, we 
also are going to be looking at 

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at least one person each that is
non planner related. 

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But I swear, in thinking about 
who to shout out for this 

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episode, I came to realize how 
much less planner content I am 

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consuming nowadays then I used 
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It is one of those things now 
where I feel like you have to 

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really, really want to watch 
something to, to keep up with 

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it. 
And that's I love the planner 

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pals that watch and watch every 
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And same thing on YouTube, you 
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comments, it means so much that 
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that. 
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long form content, because we're
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content now, but it's just like 
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And we had kind of given 
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with this. 
We said, well, we can't think of

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Youtubers, also Instagram. 
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Instagram and I was realizing 
how little content of like 

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bullet journal planners that I 
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It is so much ads and like 
memes, which I mean, I'm a mean 

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king. 
So like it's fine to post it, 

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but I'm not seeing a lot of it. 
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like click on the Instagram logo
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does actually show me people. 
I was like, that's show me the 

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people first. 
Like give me what I've been 

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actively working on. 
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figured out my people, but it is
definitely something that, yeah,

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you don't think about as much as
you're just like going onto 

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YouTube and whatever because 
those algorithms be algorithm. 

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And it's like, what are you into
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Here's all the content for that 
thing that you're currently 

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into. 
Forget about what you used to 

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watch. 
Literally, I think it's it's 

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kind of a nice thing in the the 
fact that you can change what 

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you're being presented so 
quickly, at least on certain 

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platforms. 
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in particular, I find that if 
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of videos in a row by like the 
same creator or of the same kind

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of topic or theme, then your 
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other stuff related to that 
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I have heard that it is harder 
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not on TikTok really. 
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personal space. 
I have a TikTok for marker pages

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and I do post things there. 
But it is it's a different world

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over there. 
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Like one time my brother and I 
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the time. 
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algorithm and I don't know what 
it was some like silly video and

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then I like swiped up and it was
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I was like, Oh, I liked it. 
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was like same general idea. 
I was like, damn, you caught on 

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real quick. 
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get like a planner person that 
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user or whatever. 
And not my usual just like funny

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random content. 
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fast. 
Give me like a second. 

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Like, OK, it's funny right now, 
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media is a marketing platform, 
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Like this is the way I've always
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If you're not paying for a 
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So we are the product. 
They want to keep us on there as

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long as possible. 
They're going to give you what 

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you're currently interested. 
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But when coming in back to this 
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talking about today though, I 
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and search them out, especially 
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usual feed because I know the 
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And I think it's also kind of 
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like people that you come back 
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I think of these people as like,
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put something out, if you post 
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looking at it like every single 
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I want you to be the top of my 
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interact with your stuff. 
So the algorithm's like she 

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likes that one more of this me 
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So be your first person that is 
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planet community that very much 
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Absolutely. 
So if you are not already on the

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feed watching Rachel, in theory,
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horror content. 
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Rachel is that, I mean, I 
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and then just like skyrocket 
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and and people watching her 
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something random. 
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Her content's fantastic and I 
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There's kind of two main areas 
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I think the first one is the 
fact that she is also a working 

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person and a full time job and 
then also has this YouTube 

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channel and brings how she uses 
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into that space and talks about 
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There's been a number of videos 
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me. 
One of my favorite ones that she

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did. 
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name of it right now, but it was
this idea that every time you're

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interrupted during work, you 
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And that way when you have your 
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with your managers or whoever 
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you about how productive you 
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be like, well, I was I was 
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this week, but I was interrupted
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other things. 
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moment was like, oh damn, like 
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that down in my journal. 
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thing. 
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the bullet journal space. 
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crafted her own kind of area. 
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post a video, it's just like 10s
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watching the content and comment
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this is really amazing. 
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the topics are so on point. 
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to them because of a working 
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to do the things that I'm doing.
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of enjoyed that perspective of 
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distraction method or something 
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professional setting, given that
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relate to this hashtag, yes, 
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But when you get to the end of 
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look back and you're like, what 
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more was not stuff that you 
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task list to get done that day. 
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the day, scanning your eyes over
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half crossed off things or maybe
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You're like, cool, an entire day
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these things done, but you were 
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So it's kind of nice to have a 
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yourself credit for the stuff 
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was expectations put on you by 
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I do very much think that in 
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viewership that she got from 
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because as you said, she kind of
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doing amazing and there's 
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very much. 
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background comes out in that 
like I think that she is very 

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good at crafting like a title 
and a thumbnail that work really

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well to kind of like pique 
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bring you in. 
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payoff when you get there. 
It's not like click bait or 

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anything. 
You know she's still providing 

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value once you actually get 
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Yeah, that was my second thing. 
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back and take a look at that and
think about exactly those 

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things. 
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started watching her, over time,
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fancy equipment, fancy lighting,
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I think recently she's done a 
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also know that she's talked 
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mastermind that we had going on.
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and we had talked about it. 
She's like, yeah, I kind of do 

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the content, all of that, and 
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videos. 
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That was like a really exciting 
way to make it like a little 

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entrepreneurial kind of system 
at home to say, OK, I'm going to

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create these contents and these 
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themselves record that. 
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also helping me with the titles,
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it and really respecting, like 
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background of it and kind of 
bringing that into which is 

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exactly what I know that I like 
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in digital marketing and doing 
those types of things and just 

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really learning. 
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appreciate kind of that part of 
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So it's a the perfect mix for me
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so much is like, they're good 
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They're very user friendly. 
I'm not going to lie either. 

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You all know that. 
Like I don't really go for those

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I just think it's weird to have 
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making comments about 
overconsumption when you're 

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pumping out content about 
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But that aside, I've really have
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pieces of that. 
So it's been a, it's been a 

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really cool ride. 
It's been some of that. 

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Again, I really enjoy the 
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I've put a few things into place
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I know that she works in product
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So I remember one time and I did
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planning in two week sprints 
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And I was like, that just makes 
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And so for a full year I did 
that and I really enjoyed it and

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thought it was a really great 
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I've definitely fallen out of 
practice because I've also 

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changed my planner and what I've
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Yeah, I hope the two week 
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interesting and that's something
that I did try and implement for

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myself at one stage. 
I found though that it still 

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didn't necessarily gel well with
me, but that kind of like you 

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know was a stepping stone to me 
forming my own system of like 

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you know the cyclic and 
quarterly and all of that kind 

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of thing that I do. 
But in terms of my first person,

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which I think The funny thing 
about this is OK, when we were 

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brainstorming for the topic that
we're talking about today, I was

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kind of talking to Mark like, 
oh, you know, it's OK if maybe 

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we do Instagram people too, 
because I know you don't watch a

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lot of planner Youtubers, like 
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And then when it came to picking
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Oh my God, struggle bust. 
Like who do I actually watch 

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that genuinely does like 
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as opposed to, you know, 
journaling more in a kind of 

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creative sense and such. 
So I turned to Instagram and 

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still found journaling content 
because the person that I very 

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much want to shout out is Alex, 
also known as the Journal 

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corner, does absolutely amazing 
things with especially carousel 

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posts, like the amount of value 
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packing into those is really 
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And just like the the breadth of
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know, big range of ideas. 
I said very much journaling 

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focused. 
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planners, but there is still 
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from her content and apply to 
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I also appreciate that she is an
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very much comes through in her 
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She does a really good job of 
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when I'm thinking about, you 
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for any given topic or whatnot, 
my first instinct is to go high 

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I feel like she gives you the 
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those kind of like 
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things that maybe you haven't 
thought about in terms of how 

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you can utilize materials or set
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anything like that. 
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she's had along with the 
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absolutely love, was the idea of
marrying memory keeping with 

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junk journaling because I feel 
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having a moment at the moment. 
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It's like, OK, you're not just 
like, no offense to junk 

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journalists, I swear I'm not 
coming for you. 

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She's not just like collecting 
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to put into a notebook or 
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She is very much thinking about,
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moments from her life and how 
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something that becomes more of a
keepsake rather than just like a

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mindless hobby kind of practice,
which is totally fine. 

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Also, like, you know, junk 
journaling is your mindless 

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hobby and it does the thing it 
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More power to you. 
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junk journaling as a memory 
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something that I mainly want to 
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But yeah, big shout out to Alex 
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Yeah, I was on the Arch Ronaldo 
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And like you said, like I wasn't
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same time. 
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Oh, I don't remember. 
So many people come in and out 

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of that. 
It's one of those things where I

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always, I can't remember. 
I was like, I know that we were 

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at one point, but there was a 
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were like, oh, we missed each 
other or whatever. 

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But we know you didn't like 
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So like I never. 
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She was always really good with 
new ideas, like you were saying,

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like she always had very in 
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fantastically written blog post 
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like you said. 
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because I was like, Ben, how are
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ideas and then producing really 
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I also really like her content 
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and she's like, you know, out 
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the multimedia. 
She was a part of the one I did 

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with like a few years ago where 
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were all on the team. 
I'm hope you were there. 

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Not at that point, but we did 
the like, I'm a stationary 

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person and we all said like 
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like that was super fun. 
Like she was always open to try 

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and do things like that and make
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She was also a really great 
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I feel like in the planner she's
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no drama, at least that I can 
ever see and know of. 

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And I also know like she's a big
collector as well. 

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She has beautiful setups for all
of her stuff. 

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So it just all the good things 
happen with Alex. 

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She's a fantastic find if you 
haven't already found her. 

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Yeah, and I definitely agree. 
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you know, the setups and such 
for the kind of like, I don't 

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know, Instagram being a 
different base. 

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I very much feel and at least in
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was very much about the 
aesthetic. 

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I feel like her flat light 
pictures are absolutely 

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gorgeous. 
Like, you know, that there's 

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effort being put into that, but 
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the kind of like the look or the
styling or anything like that. 

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There's so much value to kind of
like back it up. 

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I like I said, the carousel 
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given you a good crop of ideas, 
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that carousel format, they're 
very consumable. 

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Like when I do an ideas post, 
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per picture per post kind of a 
thing if it's on Instagram or if

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it was a video, it's like, hey, 
here's like 50 ideas in a 40 

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minute video. 
So it's nice that she kind of 

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like has that nice middle ground
of like, OK, well, he's 12 in a 

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carousel. 
Very savable, very findable 

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again after the fact, and thus 
very utilizable, which I like. 

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Yeah, it's essentially like a 
mini blog post in a way. 

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Like here's 5 pictures and a 
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how to do a thing. 
I always very much appreciate 

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that about her. 
That's a really, really good 

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one. 
She's fantastic. 

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Everything about her is great. 
Agree. 

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Who would be your second person 
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Matt Raglan. 
He definitely has been 

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influential and inspirational 
for me from literally the get 

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go. 
When I first started and I was 

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trying to just check out the 
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He was definitely the most 
prevalent guy that was in the 

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space and I really like that 
because as we all know, there 

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are not a ton of guys in the 
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There are some really great 
ones, but not a ton. 

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So when I first got started and 
I was trying to understand it, 

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he was really big in a bullet 
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He's had so many lives. 
I feel like over the past ten 

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years or more, no longer, I 
don't know how long he's been on

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YouTube, but like for myself for
being on there and consuming the

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content. 
It's almost been 10 years. 

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getting a little bit more 
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He disappeared for a little bit.
I know that he was like working 

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full time and that's great and 
family and all that other great 

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stuff. 
And then had come back in like 

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kind of a different capacity. 
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he's just doing very 
straightforward, a lot of like 

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pocket journaling with like 
pocket planning, keeping it 

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very, very simple. 
I think that he's a really great

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perspective on planning from a 
productivity working kind of 

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style. 
And that's what I very much like

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about it. 
Anytime I'm like, dumb it down, 

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simplify it, like get it there. 
He is a go to resource for me on

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a personal level, you know, I 
also like that he's a Family 

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Guy. 
You know, I like that you kind 

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of get a little bit of 
everything. 

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Instagram, it's a little bit of 
mix of everything. 

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I feel like it's more prevalent 
on YouTube, especially more 

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recently with his videos and 
what he's doing, doing. 

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And even early on, you know, he 
was a great person to kind of 

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reach out to. 
And I think that as I started to

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grow, he probably started to 
realize, oh, there's another guy

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in this community too. 
And I started to engage with his

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content. 
He started to engage with mine. 

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And that was just really great. 
You know, it's just kind of out 

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there. 
I think at first I definitely 

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was like, oh, competition, like 
another guy in the planter 

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space. 
But I think I've talked about 

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this on past episodes where like
I've completely let that go. 

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It's not a competition anymore 
for me. 

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It is much more about the 
community of it, what we're 

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doing. 
We're not doing the same exact 

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content, which is fine. 
Even if we were, everyone has a 

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different perspective on how 
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So I've just always really 
appreciated that and his 

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different ideas and ways of 
taking it on. 

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I think for any guys that are 
maybe like, oh, I'm doing my 

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research and I'm seeing a lot of
decoration or like this looks 

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very complex thing is a 
fantastic resource for not just 

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guys, but anybody that wants a 
very straightforward approach to

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kind of just analogue writing 
and kind of doing the things 

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that you got to get done. 
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really liked your point there 
about, you know, this 

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competition versus community 
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It's like, oh, you know, even if
we were making the same type of 

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content, that's OK. 
I guess there's a real 

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opportunity to just encourage 
people who are listening, you 

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know, planner powers. 
If you want to start a planner 

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channel or Instagram or whatever
else, we want your ideas. 

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Like we want you to do that. 
You are not, you know, coming to

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the game too late or oh, I I 
don't set up my monthly log and 

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it can completely novel and new 
way so nobody gives a damn. 

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I give damn. 
Make sure that you make the 

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content so that we can consume 
it so that then next time we do 

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this episode, we can feature you
and Jess won't have such a hard 

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time trying to figure out who to
focus on. 

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No, that totally makes sense. 
What about yourself, Jess? 

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Who's your next person? 
So while Alex was very much 

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about that idea of our, you 
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guess the theory behind planning
and journaling and such, because

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that's mainly what I like her 
content for. 

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When it came to the second 
person, this is very much about 

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just having to give in to her 
cute aggression. 

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Because every time I come across
the posts from this person, it 

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makes me want to like punch 
things in the best way because I

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just love their like whole vibe 
so much. 

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Like the creativity that they 
show in their content and just 

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the way that their layouts end 
up looking makes me like angry, 

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but like happy angry. 
So I would love to shout out 

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Laura or Callie Griffin over on 
Instagram. 

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I love, I love her layouts so 
much. 

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I love the contrast between like
the blackout pages and the pops 

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of color she's using. 
Or even if it's just black on 

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white, like it's absolutely 
gorgeous. 

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And as said, it makes me angry 
because I'm just like, why does 

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my planner look like this? 
But in a good way, right? 

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Because I know sometimes there 
are there are certain creators 

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or whatnot who in their planners
or journals, they're doing art 

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that just feels like outside the
realm of possibility, like 

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you're doing a hyper realistic 
pencil drawings or whatever. 

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And I'm like, sure, cool. 
If I wanted to spend the next 

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three years of my life hardcore 
practicing, maybe I could get to

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your standard. 
But I feel like Laura's is still

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approachable, like it's still 
doable, but it's just like a 

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beautiful finished product 
because it's not that like hyper

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realistic kind of drawings or 
whatnot. 

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That would take a very, very 
long time to get myself to that 

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level. 
I feel like I could recreate her

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stuff. 
I'm just probably not going to 

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be the person to do it. 
So I very much appreciate 

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getting to see hers and just 
being like, ah, that's what it 

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looks like. 
Beautiful. 

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I think in particular her work 
on black paper and just like the

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contrast that she has between 
the different elements that she 

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puts on there, whether colored 
or just white, like that's 

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probably my favorite stuff from 
her. 

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But in terms of a kind of most 
recent shout out, she recently 

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shared her January setup and 
even just, you know, using 

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collaging elements and such and 
bringing that into a pre 

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printed. 
Notebook like a pre printed 

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planner. 
I was like, Oh my gosh, this is 

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like what I want in some of the 
previous setups that I've done 

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for myself. 
But you were actually able to 

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execute on it and it just looks 
gorgeous. 

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It's one of those accounts that 
I wasn't familiar with until we 

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were putting together this 
episode. 

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And then I like, instantly 
followed. 

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It's just like, how have I not 
already found this? 

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And it turns out we've had a lot
of conversations actually, just 

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in DMS and responding back to 
stories and stuff. 

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And I was like, wait, I know 
this person. 

449
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I don't know why I've never like
clicked through, like you just 

450
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,240
don't know. 
But going through the page, Oh 

451
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,400
my gosh, it reminded me of like 
old Instagram when you would 

452
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,000
just scroll and drool because 
every photo was just so 

453
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,600
captivated and so beautiful and 
going through. 

454
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,520
And I always talk about this 
with any type of person that has

455
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,480
a really like well done, like 
decorative style layering, all 

456
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,960
of that kind of can mix, you 
know, lettering with colors and 

457
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,280
all this stuff. 
I have so much respect for that 

458
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,120
because I can't do do that. 
We were talking about potential 

459
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,440
episodes and I said to Jess, I 
was like, we should do an 

460
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,680
episode around like decorative 
planning and like, is that a 

461
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,680
skill? 
Like can I learn that? 

462
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,360
Or is it just like an innate 
ability because it is not innate

463
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:19,840
for me. 
We already know I have trouble 

464
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,680
with colors. 
Funny Side Story, my daughter 

465
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,800
was like, hey, I want to play 
this like yarn game. 

466
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:26,920
And I was like, oh, I want to 
play it too. 

467
00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:30,560
I can't get past Level 3 because
I can't tell the differences in 

468
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,880
the yellow of the yarn that you 
have to collect. 

469
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,920
And I was like, this makes me 
sad. 

470
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,080
But aside from that, like I look
at that and I'm just like, this 

471
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,520
is beautiful. 
This is amazing. 

472
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,920
Like this is so good, so well 
done. 

473
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,680
It inspires me to want to do it.
Will I Probably not, not because

474
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,480
I I just don't feel confident 
with it yet, you know, but I 

475
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,360
love the ideas that she's 
generating. 

476
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:53,800
So I'm so glad that you're 
calling her out and I'm so glad 

477
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,000
that I like Rediscovered Slash, 
discovered her, like her content

478
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,160
actually, versus the 
conversations we have just in 

479
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,720
the DMS because it is so good. 
I think that's the thing, right?

480
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,560
Like when somebody sends you a 
message on Instagram, my first 

481
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,920
thought isn't usually to click 
through to their profile. 

482
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,080
So unless, you know, a happy 
accident happens or we get 

483
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,160
somebody like, you know, shout 
it out or whatnot, or the 

484
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,480
algorithm just feeds it up to 
you on a silver platter, 

485
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,880
oftentimes a lot of people go 
undiscovered. 

486
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,800
And I feel like Laura just needs
more hype. 

487
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,120
Her stuff is so good. 
It is amazing, Yeah. 

488
00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,720
It's definitely one of those 
things where I was just like, 

489
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,440
exactly like you just said, like
damn, I should have clicked on 

490
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,720
that profile earlier because it 
was amazing. 

491
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,120
Very much. 
Who would be your third person 

492
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,160
to shout out? 
Yeah. 

493
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,720
So this person, I can never say 
their name the right way. 

494
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,720
It's it's Joshy Corin, I think 
is how you say it. 

495
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,560
This person just has literally 
the best ideas on YouTube, hands

496
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,200
down. 
Like anytime I'm like, you know 

497
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,240
what? 
I can't think of an idea. 

498
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,640
I go to their page and she just 
has like 5000 ways to do this 

499
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,840
inside of your journal. 
And I'm like, how does a person 

500
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,640
even think of that Many ways to 
do the same thing and it's just 

501
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,120
so great. 
The other content on there is 

502
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,720
fantastic. 
She has all of these different 

503
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,360
like ways to approach planning, 
which are a little bit different

504
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,560
than what other people are 
doing, but they just make sense.

505
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,880
So it's this thing called like, 
I can never say it's citrical 

506
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,080
planning, cycle planning. 
What? 

507
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,600
How do you say it? 
Cyclic planning. 

508
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,440
Cyclic planning, which I find 
very interesting. 

509
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,880
And but I'm, I'm just like, I 
could, but I'm such a calendar 

510
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,600
person. 
That's how I work. 

511
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,280
I work in quarters, I work in 
days, I work in months. 

512
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,280
That's just how I go. 
But like, the idea is very cool.

513
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,240
She also has like a ton of these
challenges that she'll do and 

514
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,080
I'm just like, hey, I could do 
that too if she can do that. 

515
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,680
And it's just this really 
fantastic mix of like, 

516
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,760
occasional content, but also 
just like real life. 

517
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,200
And it's just on the point and 
so great. 

518
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,520
She has this really cool accent 
as well that I just think also 

519
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,040
makes me really enjoy it. 
And she says the most, like, 

520
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,240
random weird thing sometimes. 
And then I find myself saying 

521
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,000
the same things like Kettle of 
Fish or Persnickety Biscuit. 

522
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,400
And everybody looks at me weird 
and like, who are you doing? 

523
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,720
Like, is this girl on YouTube? 
I keep like, consuming all of 

524
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,200
this content. 
Now I'm picking up her 

525
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,920
vocabulary. 
Yeah, everybody needs to pick up

526
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,720
all the mannerisms. 
I I don't really know how I'm 

527
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,600
supposed to respond to this 
because I can't be like, yeah, 

528
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,280
she's awesome. 
You should give her a follow 

529
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,840
because that feels like very 
self-serving. 

530
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,880
Well, you could definitely share
about your inspiration that like

531
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,520
allows you to do that kind of 
stuff. 

532
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080
I mean, answer me this question 
because I don't know if I asked 

533
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,840
you this before. 
How do you generate 50 ways to 

534
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,920
do X inside of your journal? 
Like how do you come up with 50 

535
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,680
ideas? 
Because I can barely come up 

536
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,960
with one sometimes. 
So part of it is just like the 

537
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,360
level of planner content that I 
used to consume. 

538
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,000
I think that like just really 
steep bring myself in and living

539
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000
in that space, you just kind of 
like pick up and start to 

540
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,520
generate them on like a daily 
basis kind of thing, I suppose, 

541
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,000
or like a quite a frequent 
basis. 

542
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,160
So then when you sit down to 
think of 50 ideas for XYZ, it's 

543
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,800
like, OK, cool, here's like the 
back catalog that I have kicking

544
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,480
around in the mind palace. 
Like we'll just go and like, you

545
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,400
know, scroll these things out of
hiding and put them into a 

546
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,120
collection or whatnot. 
But also I think of it just more

547
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,320
like problem solving. 
So it's like, OK, well, if this 

548
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,680
is the category that we're 
thinking, you know, like, you 

549
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,880
know, like layouts for gardening
or whatever, like what are all 

550
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,720
of the possible problems that 
you would have with gardening 

551
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,680
that could be solved by making a
layout or making a collection? 

552
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,040
So it's like, okay, cool 
seasonality, watering schedules,

553
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,520
fertilizer mixes, like recipes 
for those fertilizer mixes. 

554
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,080
What can you use with your grown
harvest after the fact? 

555
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,200
Like whatever, you know, off the
top of my head and in terms of 

556
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,920
off the top of my head. 
Then obviously you're writing 

557
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,880
them down. 
I'm like, OK, seeds, garden 

558
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,840
patterns, what else do you got? 
No, but that's the thing. 

559
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,720
It just comes so natural to you.
It would take me so long to do 

560
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,280
that. 
And then just the fact too, like

561
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,120
taking the time and like drawing
it out and making it very 

562
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,240
approachable. 
I don't feel like, I don't mean 

563
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,520
this in like a bad way, but I 
don't feel like anything that 

564
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,200
you do, I couldn't do like like,
you know, very like elementary 

565
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,400
about, but you just make it very
approachable. 

566
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,800
And I think that's what I really
like about. 

567
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,080
It's like, oh, I might not know 
how to do that same thing, but I

568
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,560
can figure it out and it's super
fun and super creative and, and 

569
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,640
awesome. 
So, so yeah, props to you. 

570
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,480
And, and you don't want to give 
them to yourself. 

571
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,240
You should because it's 
fantastic and everyone loves you

572
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,520
and your content. 
I mean, it's all a facade, like 

573
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,000
they're all the five like 5 
layouts all over again. 

574
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,960
Like a list, a calendar, 
dividing a page into boxes kind 

575
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,120
of a thing. 
And then just like slapping 

576
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,000
different title and different 
content on it. 

577
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,600
Oh, look, it's a new layout. 
But I feel like that's honestly 

578
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,240
in terms of, you know, making 
your own planners and journals 

579
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,040
or whatever, that's what most of
it is. 

580
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,560
It's like the same kind of base 
structure, just with different 

581
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,400
information and a different 
header on it. 

582
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,840
But unless you're kind of like 
no aware of those patterns or 

583
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,600
whatnot, then you can have a 
collection of like 500 different

584
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:53,880
ideas. 
You're like, wow, they're all so

585
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,120
different. 
I'm like at least ten of those 

586
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:57,920
are a year in pixels in 
disguise. 

587
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,480
No, it's great. 
And I think the other thing I 

588
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,400
really appreciate too, because 
before I knew you, I was 

589
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,080
watching your content is I also 
really have appreciated the way 

590
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,560
that you have morphed and 
changed over the years too with 

591
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,920
how you plan. 
But we've talked about this in 

592
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,680
the past, just one-on-one that a
lot of people that used to be 

593
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,280
really big on Instagram and 
YouTube years ago when bullet 

594
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,320
journaling was all the rage, 
they haven't been able 

595
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,920
necessarily to keep up. 
Whether it's just due to their 

596
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,200
want to not to have to change 
out of that. 

597
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,560
Or maybe I don't mean this in a 
negative way, but just like 

598
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,760
they're not capable of doing 
that or they don't maybe have 

599
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,680
the skills or willingness to do 
that. 

600
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,960
Whereas I feel like you've 
always kind of challenged 

601
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,480
yourself to kind of make that 
happen. 

602
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,360
I mean, again, I was watching 
you way back when it was a full 

603
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:46,640
decorative page and rainbows 
were exploding and things were 

604
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,440
popping out doing whatever else.
And then watching you kind of 

605
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,520
change that a little bit and 
come into your own, especially 

606
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,200
moving away from bullet 
journaling proper into how you 

607
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,440
do it and coming up with your 
own ways of approaching it. 

608
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,760
And then getting people to grab 
onto that and use that and like 

609
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,640
make it their own, I think just 
speaks volumes to you. 

610
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,280
And I know that you're not going
to give yourself the praise and 

611
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,560
the claps and the snaps that you
deserve, but all of us will will

612
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,120
do it for you. 
That's very much appreciated. 

613
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,040
I think it also is made better 
like, you know, if you're 

614
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,960
changing your planning style or 
whatnot, kind of like I've done 

615
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,000
over however many years of doing
planning, it's always nice to be

616
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,640
able to take people with you. 
So one of the things that I 

617
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,040
value the most about cyclic 
planning and such is that the 

618
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,120
idea or the concept has 
resonated enough with other 

619
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,040
people that they have also 
implemented in their own 

620
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,720
planning styles. 
That makes my heart so happy, 

621
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,760
like because when it comes to 
planning, whether you're in, you

622
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040
know, a pre printed thing or 
you're doing bullet journaling 

623
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,640
or, you know, just like getting 
out your stone Tabernacle and 

624
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,560
chipping away at it every day 
you. 

625
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,560
I'm all about people just 
finding systems that work well 

626
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,520
for them and which is why when 
it comes to presenting ideas 

627
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,640
around planning, I always wanted
it to be like the biggest width 

628
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,520
that I could possibly fit within
that piece of content. 

629
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,480
So that's like they're in theory
is something for everyone who 

630
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,200
wants something in that topic. 
Like, you know, if you're not 

631
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,920
going to start a garden shore, 
maybe the gardening layout ideas

632
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,320
isn't for you. 
But hopefully there's something 

633
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,560
in the kind of like, you know, 
work or professional space or 

634
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,640
different weekly log structures 
or something about like keeping 

635
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,960
track of relationships or like 
whatever else. 

636
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,680
That was always very much the 
aim. 

637
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,120
Nowadays it's less about about 
the kind of, I guess ways to set

638
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,080
up the planner and more about 
how to kind of like operate in 

639
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,240
life with the plans that you 
have. 

640
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,240
So it's like, cool, like how do 
we actually get the stuff to 

641
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,920
happen as opposed to just like, 
let's make the structure in the 

642
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,080
layout and put the plans in? 
Yeah, it's the full package. 

643
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,800
You are the full package, Jess. 
All right, who's your #3? 

644
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,480
That's a great question. 
Who is my #3? 

645
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,400
OK, excellent. 
I was able to find one YouTube 

646
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,240
person to put on this list and 
that's not to say that I don't 

647
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400
watch other Youtubers who plan. 
It's more so just when thinking 

648
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,920
about people to shout out in 
this episode, I really wanted to

649
00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:02,640
try and focus on people we 
haven't really shouted out 

650
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,720
before. 
And so the person I wanted to 

651
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,920
shout out third was Ellie or 
Elisa of Ellie plans plans it 

652
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,200
Ellie planet, which I feel like 
is a play on word there because 

653
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,960
it's not like planet like stars 
and planets, it's like plan it. 

654
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,720
So it's probably actually 2 
words. 

655
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,040
But anyway, I just, I love her 
content for how relatable she is

656
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,560
and I love she's just, she's 
funny and she feels genuine and 

657
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,080
there's a warmth to her content 
that I feel like in some planner

658
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,360
spaces, especially in the more 
kind of, I'm going to say like 

659
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,680
aesthetic first planning that we
have seen previously. 

660
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,480
I don't think we say it quite as
much anymore, but there was kind

661
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,280
of like a distance between you 
and the creator. 

662
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,880
It's like a they were shown up 
to show you the finished 

663
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,040
product, but weren't necessarily
giving you a glimpse into the 

664
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,840
backward like the back end 
processes, I guess. 

665
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,720
So I really love that Ellie 
takes you through the process of

666
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,720
things. 
She shows you where she's kind 

667
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,720
of like questioning or like, you
know, struggling with a decision

668
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,520
or something like that, which 
just adds that warmth and kind 

669
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,160
of like genuine feeling to it. 
One piece of content in 

670
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,840
particular I watched from her 
recently was just the process of

671
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,000
picking out her 2026 planner. 
So going through the 

672
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,640
considerations she had even 
before she like, you know, set 

673
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,000
foot in the planner shop or 
whatever, before she even 

674
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,280
started really thinking about 
which one she was going to go 

675
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,680
with. 
What kind of things was she 

676
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,440
considering in terms of her 
needs? 

677
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Like what is the stuff that she 
wants to have in there? 

678
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,960
What's the stuff that hasn't 
worked for her previously? 

679
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,520
And how is she going to find 
something to accommodate that? 

680
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,240
I have very much been vibing 
with her content this year so 

681
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,880
far. 
One thing I most resonate that 

682
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,040
you said is relatable because 
it's exactly what I think about 

683
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,520
whenever I see her posts come 
across like Instagram. 

684
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,960
I don't know that I've watched a
lot of her YouTube necessarily, 

685
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,920
but I know that I definitely see
her post over on Instagram and I

686
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,360
do. 
It's just like so relatable. 

687
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,800
I don't know how else to really 
say it. 

688
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,720
It's not like overly processed, 
it's not overly set up. 

689
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,840
It looks good. 
It's like real use situations. 

690
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,960
And that is I think what I 
really love. 

691
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,880
And, and I think that's what a 
lot of people like about like 

692
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,120
our stuff too. 
And I think that's why I also 

693
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,480
gravitate towards the type of 
content myself kind of in every 

694
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,960
example that I've shared so far 
here too, It's just like these 

695
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,520
are ways that people are 
actually using that and they're 

696
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,240
kind enough to actually share 
that with us. 

697
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,720
You know, like it's awesome when
you get that. 

698
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,400
I know not everyone feels 
comfortable doing that or can 

699
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680
maybe because of how they use it
or the job or just personal 

700
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,920
information. 
I mean, I still think often when

701
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,240
you were talking about people 
copying like word for word, like

702
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720
what you're even writing in your
journal, it blows my mind. 

703
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,920
But just like the idea that, you
know, it's out there, people are

704
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,040
sharing kind of the pieces that 
they can. 

705
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,400
And I just feel super lucky that
that we have these people out 

706
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,160
there doing this as well. 
I think it just makes such a 

707
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,320
difference, especially for 
people who aren't sure how to 

708
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,960
get into it or they're only 
seeing the Pinterest like worthy

709
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:04,400
photos to grab people's 
attention, but never like the 

710
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,280
next swipe over to see like what
that actually looks like. 

711
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,480
And it reminded me I need to get
back to doing the like sharing 

712
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,680
what my journal looks like after
the week of me using it because 

713
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,120
so many people are like, I love 
that. 

714
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,200
Like that shows me like, you're 
not just drawing it, making this

715
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,440
real in the beginning of the 
week. 

716
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,400
And then I never see what 
happens with it. 

717
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,440
And I was like, oh, I need to go
back to doing that. 

718
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440
I stopped because I hate having 
to blur out all the words and 

719
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,960
names and people because I do 
use it for work but I I get a 

720
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,760
lot of value out of it so I have
to remember. 

721
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,320
Like maybe you bring that back 
from my own account too. 

722
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,720
No, I do think that there's very
much value in getting to see how

723
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,280
people use their planners as 
opposed to just like how they 

724
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,880
set it up or like what they're 
putting in there initially from 

725
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,160
the get go. 
But of course, you know, sharing

726
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,160
personal information and such, 
there can be kind of 

727
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,680
difficulties in doing that in 
such a way that still keeps you 

728
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,000
and your privacy and your 
information safe and also other 

729
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,840
people's information. 
Because, you know, if you're 

730
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,240
using this in a work capacity, 
you might have sensitive 

731
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,360
information for other people. 
And they're like, Oh yeah, not 

732
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,400
everybody on your team and the 
Internet needs to know you had a

733
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,720
one-on-one at this time with 
this person in this place or 

734
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,840
whatever. 
It is, it's like it's the 

735
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,760
hardest part not to like take us
on the sidetrack there, but just

736
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,679
from like a creator standpoint, 
it is, it's like I have to ask 

737
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,480
permission of people, you know, 
if I write someone's name, I'm 

738
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,800
like, I'm not writing last 
names. 

739
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,520
But then at the same time it's 
like, well, I got to be careful 

740
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,480
because I use this, like you 
said, professionally in doing 

741
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,560
that. 
But it's definitely a wonderful 

742
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,760
way to experience content. 
I love seeing like a well used 

743
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,719
page because it just shows me 
that like I'm not alone in my 

744
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,040
craziness, like my scribbly 
scratches and you know, random 

745
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,159
doodles and notes and all this 
different kind of stuff. 

746
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:45,080
It's not always picture perfect.
Yeah, Or even if like you get to

747
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,719
the end of the week and it's 
only half filled in. 

748
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,560
I love that because I'm like 
hey, obviously I died, didn't 

749
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,120
use any of that layout. 
I know it's, it's hard now. 

750
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,199
I think about all the time I get
to the end of some of my weeks 

751
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,520
and I was like, did you not do 
anything this week? 

752
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,480
And then I have to remember I 
have all these digital tools 

753
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,880
that I use for work. 
And it's like finding that mix 

754
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,920
between. 
And it's just like, like, yeah, 

755
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,680
you got to remember sometimes, 
like, it's a journal right in 

756
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,320
it. 
It's OK, you know, write 

757
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,360
everything, but don't forget to 
write some things inside of it. 

758
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Exactly who would be your non 
plan of person that you want to 

759
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,400
shout out? 
Yeah, so I feel like at the end 

760
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,360
of the year where we share our 
like top viewers, like it was 

761
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,760
basically no. 
Well, myself, I watched a lot of

762
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,880
my own content. 
I was my number one viewer. 

763
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,520
You were on there a few others, 
but some of my top non is 

764
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,960
honestly just entertainment. 
I love, I love movies, I love 

765
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,440
celebrity, I love kind of all 
those things. 

766
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,560
So I was saying that part of 
mine is like new rock stars is 

767
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,160
probably one of my favorite 
channels to watch because they 

768
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,240
do all of the reviews and 
breakdowns of all the movies and

769
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,720
TV shows that I like. 
So all of the Marvel movies, all

770
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,520
of the everything shows and 
everything else. 

771
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,000
I've always been really big into
media and movies. 

772
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,680
I still say to this day that 
when I saw The Matrix in 

773
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,360
theaters, it changed my life 
because that was just such a 

774
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,240
otherworldly experience. 
And then also I really got into 

775
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:16,320
like TV show, like lore and you 
know, like tin hat theories with

776
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,840
Lost was my first show that I 
got really big into it because 

777
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,480
there was so much and they 
weren't around when I was 

778
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,400
watching those shows. 
But like now with a lot of these

779
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,680
shows, I'm like, oh, I'm 
thinking about this and they're 

780
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,520
like, here's what I'm thinking 
about and here's what happened. 

781
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,200
And also I feel like this is my 
own fault. 

782
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,600
And you're watching a movie, 
you're watching a show and 

783
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,560
you're like also like on your 
phone or doing something else 

784
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,680
and you miss all those little 
details. 

785
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,680
Or again, like, I'm not that 
eagle eye like hardcore fan. 

786
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,960
Like I've haven't read every 
single Marvel comic book to know

787
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,880
all of the lore. 
But when they call that out and 

788
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,040
they show that and they talk 
about the history of it just 

789
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,240
makes me feel really like 
immersed inside of the space. 

790
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,880
And also then you read through 
the comments and there's other 

791
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,960
people there that are like just 
excited or calling out things 

792
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,640
that they saw. 
It really makes it feel like a 

793
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,440
community. 
So as I'm enjoying content, my 

794
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,200
girls are always like, wait, why
are you watching a YouTube video

795
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,040
about the show that you just 
watched last night? 

796
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,240
And I watch like several 
channels. 

797
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,840
I watch 3 different like movie 
TV show channels because they 

798
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,280
all are pulling out different 
things. 

799
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,080
Some of them are the same. 
They're all just general. 

800
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,040
But like, I love that kind of 
thing. 

801
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,840
So you know, when I'm not using 
my journal or making content, I 

802
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,240
love movies and TV shows. 
And so that's my, that's my big 

803
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:32,920
one. 
No, that's awesome. 

804
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,080
I kind of give it, I don't know,
secondhand version of that 

805
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,840
because Voggle does a similar 
thing with a lot of the kind of 

806
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,840
movies and such that we end up 
watching together or he watches 

807
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,600
by himself watching kind of 
like, not necessarily analysis, 

808
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,800
but like a review kind of a 
thing with a little bit of 

809
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,680
analysis or whatnot. 
My favorite version of that 

810
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,680
would definitely be Dead Mate. 
I think that they do a really 

811
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,640
good job of theirs because they 
are pretty much just doing 

812
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,800
horror films, horror games and 
whatnot. 

813
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,000
In particular, I love their game
series because of Zarin. 

814
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,840
Zarin is great. 
Like we love Zarin in this 

815
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,400
household. 
So if you're a Dead Meat fan and

816
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,840
you also like Zarin, you let me 
know. 

817
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,480
But those ones in particular 
just like going through and 

818
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,720
talking about the kind of making
of the films and then also doing

819
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,240
what the kind of main point of 
the video is, which is the kill 

820
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,080
count. 
So how many people got off in 

821
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,760
this film specifically? 
And then like, you know, doing a

822
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,960
little step breakdown at the 
end. 

823
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,280
It's all just a bit of fun, but 
that one, it's not necessarily 

824
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,000
like my recommendation in a 
sense because I kind of just 

825
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,800
watch it with Vogel, but 
definitely my favorite version 

826
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,000
of like movie analysis. 
Yeah, well, absolutely. 

827
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,240
We'll share yours. 
What's your favorite non planner

828
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,080
channel? 
YouTube, Instagram thing to feed

829
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,720
on? 
Yeah, so despite finding this 

830
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:50,880
creator like what, maybe halfway
through last year or something, 

831
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,760
I ended up in the top like .6% 
of viewers worldwide or 

832
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,760
something. 
I watched like 190 of her 

833
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:02,040
videos, but this would be Hannah
Alonso. 

834
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:08,240
She does like anti MLM and also 
like influencer kind of content,

835
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:11,440
you know, not necessarily like 
exposing influence or whatever, 

836
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,880
but very called influencer 
insanity, which I find really 

837
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,160
interesting. 
And the reason that I came 

838
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,640
across it is because I was in 
the back end of my YouTube 

839
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,760
analytics, like, you know, just 
looking through different bits 

840
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,120
and pieces of information. 
And one of the pieces of 

841
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,520
information that YouTube gives 
you in the back end is what 

842
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,720
other people who watch your 
content are watching. 

843
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,000
And one of the videos that came 
up was this influencer insanity 

844
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,040
video. 
And I was like, why are people 

845
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,560
who watch me watching this? 
Like, did I do something wrong? 

846
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,720
Like my first thought was, Oh my
God, have I done something 

847
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,720
wrong? 
You know, to lock myself in with

848
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,920
the influencer crowd for a 
second there, it was definitely 

849
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,520
not about me. 
Absolutely not. 

850
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,280
This was the people who have 
like millions of followers kind 

851
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,960
of a thing. 
I'm not on that level. 

852
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,240
But I did then, you know, very 
quickly get just hooked on her 

853
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,400
influencer Insanity series, 
watched all of those, but the 

854
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,200
primary content that she 
actually makes is anti MLM. 

855
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,120
And the thing with anti content 
or people who make content like 

856
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,640
specifically like their stances 
against something else is that 

857
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,240
oftentimes it can come off very 
like negative and very blamey. 

858
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,680
But hers just doesn't like all 
of the ways that she pictures 

859
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,400
things always come from a place 
of kindness for the people who 

860
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,800
are like, you know, in MLMS or 
like working with them or 

861
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,880
whatnot and such. 
And just kind of unpacking 

862
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,840
things as related to. 
Multi level marketing or 

863
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,200
whatever. 
So some of the ones she does MLM

864
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,960
horror stories where people who 
follow her channel write in with

865
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,560
their stories about how MLM 
persons or have, you know, been 

866
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,280
in their life somehow. 
Whether that be like, you know, 

867
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,440
the salesman came to my door and
like wouldn't leave. 

868
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,200
Or it could be like, hey, my 
friend got involved with an MLM 

869
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,680
and then like used my personal 
tragedy to sell their products 

870
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,000
and stuff like this. 
It's very interesting. 

871
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,640
One of the things I very much 
like is that really well 

872
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,200
researched, it's very thought 
provoking and she just does it 

873
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,760
from a very like genuine place 
of kindness, which is quite 

874
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,120
nice. 
I would say it's quite nice 

875
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,400
because when I was looking them 
up, because I hadn't heard of 

876
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,720
her before and all the 
thumbnails, she's a very good 

877
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,360
job with the thumbnails. 
It's like 90 minutes of calling 

878
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,520
out influencers or like 
influencers are lying to 

879
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,920
exposing their real lifestyles. 
I'm like, oh, this is like 

880
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,280
gossipy tea. 
OK, I think I'm gonna like this 

881
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,960
too. 
But that it was funny with the 

882
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,640
MLM's because if anyone ever 
watched my YouTube channel with 

883
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,920
my brother, we all know that 
he's a person. 

884
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,800
He was a part of 1. 
And I was watching through some 

885
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,400
of those videos and I was like, 
Oh my God, I could write it with

886
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,440
mine because it is crazy like 
the the levels that people will 

887
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,360
go through to like sell you 
something. 

888
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,520
Now my brother did very well 
with his. 

889
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,080
I don't know if that's a good or
a bad thing, but he could sell 

890
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,880
anything to anybody. 
And but it was really funny 

891
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,400
watching those. 
But I definitely, I'm not gonna 

892
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,920
lie, I sort of watching it when 
I saw the name and I was like, 

893
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,360
oh, this sounds juicy. 
But you're right. 

894
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,920
It's I mean, I'm all about that 
to a certain extent too. 

895
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,400
Like we talked about this again 
in a previous episode. 

896
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,200
Well, the overconsumption video 
I think is where it came out the

897
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,040
most, where I was like social 
media is marketing. 

898
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,040
Like the whole point of this is 
to sell you things and do that. 

899
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,560
And we all know that some of it 
can be very cringy. 

900
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,640
I'm sure all of us at some point
in our lives, you and myself 

901
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,240
included, have done a cringy 
thing when it comes to like 

902
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,560
trying to promote or do a thing.
It's a part of it. 

903
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,960
You also learn a lot about it 
and when you're just getting 

904
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,600
started, I mean, in our little 
like Instagram engagement chat, 

905
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,120
like y'all used to make fun to 
me, they're like, you could send

906
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,880
anything to Mark and he'd talk 
about it. 

907
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,600
And I was like, yeah, well, when
I first got started, I was like,

908
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,200
whoa, someone's going to send me
a thing. 

909
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,320
Yeah, I don't care what that is 
like has nothing to do with 

910
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,120
anything that I talk about, but 
hell yeah, it will. 

911
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,560
Someone sending me something for
free. 

912
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,200
But it is just like the reality 
of it. 

913
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,320
We all see it, you know, we have
friends that are like full 

914
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,840
influence or lifestyle. 
Like I'm not into the fashion 

915
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,200
part of it, but I have a few 
other parent friends that like 

916
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,200
are very much into it and 
they'll be like, oh, she wore 

917
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,320
this, so I bought that. 
And then again, like that person

918
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,240
looks like they're on the 
cutting edge of fashion because 

919
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:13,840
like no one else is wearing that
yet. 

920
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,640
And it's very much about that. 
Like I don't consume from that 

921
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,920
space. 
So like, I don't know a whole 

922
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,480
lot about it, but the people 
that I know that do, I mean, 

923
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,760
that's, that's what they do. 
I mean, and it's also it's in 

924
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,280
there. 
They're usually selling 

925
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,600
something that's I feel like 
most people are, especially when

926
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,040
you do that full time, that is 
your money. 

927
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,200
That's how you make money. 
That's how you make a living. 

928
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,920
Instagram and TikTok, They're 
not paying you what you think. 

929
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,560
You know, maybe, I mean, maybe 
she is because like she's got 

930
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,000
millions of views on every 
single one of her videos. 

931
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,560
So like, she's making good money
over there, but like, not 

932
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,600
everyone is and you all got to 
start somewhere. 

933
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,840
No, very fair. 
I think that the nice part is, 

934
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,440
is that like based on the fact 
that it is like well researched 

935
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,920
content and such, it's not just 
like, oh, gossip, blame, blame 

936
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,640
kind of a thing. 
You know, she kind of highlights

937
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,840
that back end stuff to people 
who aren't as familiar with the 

938
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,560
back end of social media. 
So it's like, yeah, sure, you 

939
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,720
get, you know, ads on videos and
such, and that small Commission 

940
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,520
from that goes to like the 
creator or whatever. 

941
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,560
But then you also have a lot of 
content that is being focused on

942
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,120
these types of videos, which is 
like LinkedIn, my Amazon 

943
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,080
storefront. 
And so while the content might 

944
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,680
be, you know, outrageous or 
something to really gain 

945
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,520
viewership or whatnot that, you 
know, she's focusing on, not her

946
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,040
content, content she's, you know
what, providing commentary on. 

947
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,560
It's like, sure, it's getting a 
whole bunch of views because 

948
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,920
she's this person has like made 
the content in such a way to get

949
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,840
a lot of views. 
But at the end of the day, the 

950
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,480
thing that actually makes them 
money is 0 Lincoln bio or go and

951
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,920
buy this thing from my Amazon 
storefront or whatever. 

952
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,640
And it's those kickbacks in that
Commission. 

953
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,720
So it's a kind of nice way to 
highlight some of the things 

954
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,280
online that I don't personally 
say because like I'm not on 

955
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,960
TikTok in, in terms of my 
Instagram like algorithm, it's 

956
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,440
not really showing me those kind
of things. 

957
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,680
So it's an opportunity for me to
see that kind of content and 

958
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,120
enjoy the commentary around it 
without having to like, I don't 

959
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,680
know, ruin my algorithm and see 
it like constantly. 

960
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Yeah, no, it's good to have like
that little like guilty pleasure

961
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,880
space of things. 
I think I agree. 

962
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,120
Like we all need that in some 
capacity because I feel like if 

963
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,040
all you're doing is consuming 
one type of thing, like you have

964
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,480
to have an outlet from that. 
And again, because I'm not like 

965
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,920
full planner consumption all the
time, like I pick and choose on 

966
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,080
the people that I really kind of
go through. 

967
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,120
I think it's the ones that like 
stand out the most that are like

968
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,320
really exciting. 
Again, it's someone that I might

969
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,080
not necessarily subscribe to all
of their stuff because there's 

970
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,320
plenty of people that have that 
like breakout video. 

971
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,360
I mean, I'm probably one of 
those people myself, like my 

972
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,640
YouTube videos that get like a 
ton of views all the time, but 

973
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,560
there's a handful of them that 
have done really well over time.

974
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,120
And I thank all the goodness for
those sometimes where I'm like, 

975
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,000
oh, what's what's made the most 
money? 

976
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,080
Oh, this video from five years 
ago. 

977
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,960
OK, you know, like, well, why 
remake it? 

978
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,800
It's still doing well. 
But then there's just like a lot

979
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,960
of things where you see that. 
But I also think it's a really 

980
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,160
great way to kind of get 
introduced to other people. 

981
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,800
I don't know how many people are
really like sharing videos. 

982
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,040
I know that they do because I 
try to think about myself now 

983
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,520
with like content, like I'll 
share a lot of Tik Toks and 

984
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,080
Reels, but I don't know that I'm
sharing a lot of YouTube content

985
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,440
necessarily. 
No, I think that like Instagram 

986
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,600
as a platform is based on the 
direct message, right? 

987
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,080
Like that, that is a big part of
the platform, whereas we don't 

988
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,280
have that here on YouTube. 
So in terms of like sharing 

989
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,240
content from YouTube, obviously 
it happens because when I look 

990
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,800
at my weekly stats, it's like, 
oh, your videos got X number of 

991
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,960
shares this week. 
I'm like, who is sharing this 

992
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,040
and to whom? 
Like where is this going? 

993
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,000
I think the same exact thing, 
like the only time, like on 

994
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,200
Instagram or I'll see like 
someone shared this thing. 

995
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,640
It'll like pop up and say this 
person shared it to their 

996
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,400
stories. 
But then you do you see little 

997
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,360
airplane at the bottom and I'm 
like, oh, people are sending 

998
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,360
this to other people. 
Like they thought of someone 

999
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,320
else when they saw that, which 
is like what I do on other 

1000
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,920
content and it makes me really 
happy. 

1001
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,200
I'm like, oh, that was nice that
they did that. 

1002
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,160
I'm glad they thought of 
somebody else when they saw my 

1003
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,520
ridiculous reel. 
But Planner Pals, we would very 

1004
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,200
much love to know who in the 
planner community would you love

1005
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,480
to give a shout out to? 
Who are the creators that you 

1006
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,480
are consuming all of their 
videos or all of their posts? 

1007
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,400
Let us know in the comments if 
you're watching on YouTube or 

1008
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,160
hit us up at 
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or 

1009
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,960
hit us up over on Instagram at 
Planner Pals Podcast. 

1010
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,000
The comments are just going to 
say Jess Jess, Jess, Jess, Jess.

1011
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,360
Hey, I heard about Mark through 
Jess, Jess. 

1012
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,920
No, just kidding. 
Absolutely not like hey I found 

1013
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,520
out about this like weird like 
girl from New Zealand because I 

1014
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,880
just love so much. 
I love when they're like, I 

1015
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,000
found your podcast because I 
watched this random video. 

1016
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,880
I'm like, oh, awesome that 
they're referring it to you. 

1017
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,480
This has been a great episode. 
Thank you all so much for 

1018
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,920
watching. 
I can't wait to hear about who 

1019
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,640
your favorites are as well. 
And we'll talk to you next time,

1020
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,480
friends. 
See ya.