1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,400 Hello and welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,120 by two true planner pals. My name is Mark and I go by Mark 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,480 Your pages. And I'm Jess or Jessie Curran, 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,280 and today we're talking about something that has been like a 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,400 big struggle for me previously. And I think I'm finally getting 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,160 to a point where I've got a system that works and that is 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,960 storage solutions for our stationary supplies. 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,800 If you're anything like Mark and I, then you probably have quite 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,000 an extensive collection, and figuring out how to store it in 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,720 the best way possible is certainly like another hobby 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,280 unto itself, I swear. It's one of my favorite things. 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,920 I if you can see my background looks different just now. 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,320 I'm very excited. I just moved my office from the 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,280 basement up to our second floor and literally stationary storage 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,360 has been the only thing that I've been thinking about for the 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,840 past several weeks as I've been trying to figure out how to fit 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,600 all of the same crap into a smaller space but still make it 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,320 look nice. So this this episode could not 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,480 be more on time for me. Yeah, no, I have very much 20 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,760 appreciated seeing all of your Instagram stories and like 21 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,840 having the little poles. Like would we do white hooks 22 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,600 with black background or black hooks on a white background? 23 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,040 I'm just like, there is only one correct solution here. 24 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,280 What are you talking about? There's so many different ways 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,960 to go about it and some brand new ways that I found out too, 26 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:13,600 Especially like behind me with my fountain pens over there. 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,480 I was like, I don't want to just keep them in a book, so let's 28 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,400 make them into functional art. So like exploring and finding 29 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,160 new options and new ways to also store your stationary. 30 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Because I am very much along the lines of like, I have to see it 31 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,640 to know that I have it. I know others of you and the 32 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Planet Power community are exactly the same way. 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,480 And then there's the total opposite side, which is I don't 34 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,720 want to see it. I know I have it, but I do not 35 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,600 want to see it out. So today's episode, it's gonna 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,440 be a lot of fun. Oh, no, we're definitely gonna 37 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,840 be touching on the different types of organizers because I am 38 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,560 all about that right now. I swear that that's the only 39 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,360 thing I've been watching on YouTube over the past. 40 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Like, I don't know, two weeks or something. 41 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,320 I'm down that rabbit hole. But of course, thank you to 42 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,120 everybody who left a comment on our previous episode talking 43 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,920 about the Go Wild presenters and the different information they 44 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,360 gave us. You know, obviously not 45 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,680 everybody gets to go to Go Wild, so it was really exciting 46 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,960 getting to give you guys that behind the scenes. 47 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,280 I especially loved people who are kind of coming in from the 48 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,240 Vlog Brothers kind of community saying, Oh my gosh, like it's 49 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,280 just crazy to me that people don't know who John Green is and 50 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,480 like how long I've been watching him and such. 51 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,360 So it's always kind of nice to see when those kind of 52 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,560 communities collide in such a positive way. 53 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,200 The appreciation, you know, one of the big reasons we did that 54 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,280 obviously is that we wanted anyone who isn't able to go to 55 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,160 go wild to get some of those little tidbits. 56 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,920 So hopefully everyone got a little bit out of that. 57 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,080 But let's go ahead and kick it to the topic today, Jess, and 58 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,400 talk about this storage solution, fun and excitement 59 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,640 because honestly, there are so many different ways that we can 60 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:36,320 go down this. Do we want to start with a 61 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,360 certain type of stationary? Because I feel like every 62 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,160 stationary tool needs a special stationary storage option. 63 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,440 Yeah, I think that if you're looking to, you know, actually 64 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,560 organize your space and such, it is very important to first 65 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,040 consider what you actually have. Because like you said, different 66 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,360 supplies are going to. They just have different needs, 67 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,640 right? They're all special little 68 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,400 snowflakes. They have their own needs and 69 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,360 systems. So for instance, it's like you 70 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,600 don't necessarily want to throw a bunch of ink bottles into a 71 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,960 drawer to have them rattle around and crash into each other 72 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,280 and probably make a mess, whereas keeping, you know, flat 73 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,760 ephemera in a drawer that isn't really gonna slip and slide 74 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,720 around. That's totally fine. 75 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:18,480 In terms of the stuff that I need to store, thankfully, I 76 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,920 don't really have the ink problem. 77 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,640 But I do seem to have pretty much everything else I've got, 78 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,840 you know, the stickers and the sticker books and the papers and 79 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,000 the washes and the PT tapes. And then just like the 80 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,040 notebooks, because my my notebook collection is quite 81 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,760 large and that takes up a decent chunk of my store. 82 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:37,720 Yeah. And there's a lot of different 83 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,440 ways to go about this. I mean, I'll just share a little 84 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,000 bit of how I just went through this because bringing everything 85 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,320 upstairs from a basement that essentially was an unlimited 86 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,680 space, but it was as much space as I wanted to use. 87 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,920 And then now coming inside of this room, it's a lot more small 88 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,400 and there's different ways to go about it. 89 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,600 But what I found helpful, well, I did this in two parts. 90 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,840 So it's going to be like good advice, but slash bad advice 91 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,920 because especially with the notebooks, I guess let's start 92 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,880 there because we both have an addiction. 93 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,840 We both have a problem. Our collections are like right 94 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,320 there next to each other. It's not a competition. 95 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,080 It's, it's actually quite sad actually how many we have now. 96 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,760 But what I found for myself is I was like, OK, I want to have my 97 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,800 notebooks on a shelf. Yes. 98 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,839 But then it comes down to how do I want to organize them? 99 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,760 So I broke them down into size, so A5 square B5. 100 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,960 And then I have a specialty shelf, but I have a lot of a 101 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,880 fives and I wasn't able to bring all of them upstairs with me. 102 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,120 So the first thing I did, but first I take everything off of 103 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,080 the shelf. I am a, let me just put this 104 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,680 out. I am a chaos to cleanliness type 105 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,760 person. So when I go about cleaning, I 106 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,040 take everything out of a shelf, out of a drawer, wherever they 107 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,960 are and I just sit in the chaos and then I basically organize 108 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,960 around me. And are you the same type of 109 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,720 person there, Jess? Are you like a little bit more 110 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,520 methodical about your organization? 111 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,880 I think that for me, anytime that I do an organising project, 112 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,440 I try to go by category so I don't have everything out all at 113 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,600 the same time. So if I'm getting things off the 114 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,840 shelf and out of drawers and all of that, I try to stick to just 115 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:12,720 like one type of supply. So I don't end up with literally 116 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,720 every single item I own in and amongst my space. 117 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Because in terms of floral estate in my office, it is a 118 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,560 little bit limited because, you know, desk shelves, drawers, all 119 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,360 of that kind of thing. And I still want to be able to 120 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,200 get in and out without tripping over my stuff and either 121 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,760 breaking me or my supply. I don't know which one would 122 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,040 worry me more. I want to make sure everything 123 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:31,800 stays safe. You're. 124 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,280 Probably a little bit more durable. 125 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,400 So I would say protect the stationary. 126 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,840 You will heal. Yeah, exactly. 127 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:40,600 It's like we can heal broken bones, but a ripped notebook 128 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,200 cover? No, that's just too sad. 129 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,520 It's too done. But yeah, a big part of mine was 130 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,040 really getting everything off of the shelves. 131 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,600 I did organize it by the type because I did realize that I was 132 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,400 going to organize by size. But then I opened up every 133 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,520 single box and I kind of did the doesn't bring you joy method 134 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,000 essentially. And I was like, you know, I 135 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,920 opened it up and I was like, oh, it was a trip down memory lane. 136 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:03,520 I was pulling out like OG Arch and all of notebooks, like the 137 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,560 very first Halloween collection. I those still make me very 138 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,480 excited. I have some of the old like the 139 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:13,320 double key one, the snake the and then what was the other one 140 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,320 that every Oh, the bee, like everybody wanted that bee for so 141 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:17,840 long and I'm like going through them. 142 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:19,400 I was like, these are collectors items. 143 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,040 But once I went ahead and sorted them basically into through 144 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,720 piles, I had sorted them into absolutely must have on my shelf 145 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,480 and with me at all times. I had kind of this maybe 146 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,800 section, which was like, I like it, but I don't know if I run 147 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,800 out of space, I'm OK with storing it. 148 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,720 And then I also, for the first time in a long time, created a 149 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:42,440 giveaway slash sell pile. And I that's maybe a whole other 150 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,040 topic, but eventually going to go down there, But ones that I 151 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,640 just really know after seven years of bullet journaling that 152 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,440 I'm, I'm just not going to use. Like the design wasn't quite it. 153 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,280 It's a leftover from like the arch and olive design team or 154 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:56,880 something that another brand sent me. 155 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,360 And I, I did create a pile. I was very proud of myself. 156 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,560 It was not as large as the keep or the babies, but I definitely 157 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,560 made the pile. And that was just helpful for 158 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,760 me, though, to really be able to start the process of organizing 159 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,040 the notebooks, because what came next was a different story. 160 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,320 Yeah, I think that in terms of like an organizing storage 161 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,720 solutions kind of project, that decluttering step or just kind 162 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,320 of letting go of things that you don't really need anymore can 163 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,120 just be so helpful because otherwise you're trying to 164 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,000 engineer all these solutions to store stuff that doesn't even 165 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,040 really need to be in your space anymore. 166 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,720 And the way that I like to think about it is in terms of I do not 167 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,200 want to look at my set of supplies, whether that's 168 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,840 notebooks or any other kind of type of journaling supply. 169 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,800 I don't want to look at those and feel guilty because I'm not 170 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,160 using them. Like I do not want to come into 171 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,080 my creative space and be hit with all of these negative 172 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,840 feelings because all of these items are effectively screaming 173 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,800 at me saying why aren't you using me? 174 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,440 You haven't picked me up in 84 years. 175 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,840 I thought you were going to use me for XYZ. 176 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,240 Like I don't need those kind of things. 177 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,040 I don't need the these items to make me feel bad about having 178 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,640 them in my space. I would rather either like, you 179 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,960 know, donate them to somewhere else, hand them on to a 180 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,520 different home, sell them if they're still good enough kind 181 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,480 of items so that then they can go and fulfill their destiny 182 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,840 with somebody else who they can spark joy with. 183 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,040 It's a very good point. I mean, even when I was putting 184 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,040 that giveaway pile, like my wife probably took several notebooks. 185 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,920 A number of people that she's been talking to at work, she's 186 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,720 been just having conversation. And a few of them recently were 187 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,240 like, oh, I'm big into journaling. 188 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,320 And I just, you know, sit down every morning and kind of write 189 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,920 a few thoughts. And it was a perfect time 190 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,320 because I was like, hey, I have all of these notebooks that I 191 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,080 know that I'm not going to use. Do you think that they would 192 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,240 want them? And she's like, absolutely. 193 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,120 And she took them in and they were so excited, which made me 194 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,480 happy. You know, I was like, I know 195 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,320 that I wasn't going to use them. I was a little bit sad that they 196 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,440 were leaving me, you know, because they've been with me for 197 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,600 so long. But it was awesome to know that 198 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,200 like someone else is going to use them. 199 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,840 Like you just said, that is a, it's a really fantastic feeling 200 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,160 and something that I think more people should be open to. 201 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,640 You know, yes, let's not throw brand new things away 100% let's 202 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,880 not do that. But who can I give this to? 203 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,920 Especially if it's an unused notebook or other stationary 204 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,800 we'll talk about today. I'm telling how much wash it I 205 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,400 give away on a monthly basis. Yeah, I think it just kind of 206 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,120 softens the blow a little bit, especially because, you know, if 207 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,360 you've had things that you've held onto for such a long time, 208 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,120 those notebooks, in particular those Archer and Olive originals 209 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,240 that you're like, Oh my God, this is like a collector's item. 210 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Now, knowing that while it's sitting there on my shelf, it 211 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,680 might look beautiful and I might, you know, glance at it 212 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:31,080 every so often and such, but it's not getting to do its job 213 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,680 because its job is to be used and to be written in. 214 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,480 And I think the thing for me is that like getting into that, 215 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,800 like, oh, I can't get this again. 216 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,680 I can't get this again mindset. It's, it's so and so rare and 217 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,480 such and if I let go of it and then I want it at some point, 218 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,160 then I'm never going to be able to get it back. 219 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,840 First of all, I might be able to, I just might have to pay a 220 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,440 premium for it. And second of all, like I think 221 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,680 it's OK because there are other notebooks that I obviously like 222 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:56,040 more. Otherwise I wouldn't even have 223 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,600 this kind of like consideration point of getting rid of the 224 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,360 thing. If you're considering getting 225 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,160 rid of it, then you've kind of like already made the choice. 226 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,600 I feel you're just trying to justify yourself to keep it when 227 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,800 you don't really need to. Beautifully, said Jess. 228 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,440 I could have not have said that in a better way. 229 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,680 That was so on point and that just like you said that and I 230 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:17,520 was like, you're right. I wasn't going to use that even 231 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,800 though it was a collector's item. 232 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,040 Yeah, I think that's even The thing is that sometimes we have 233 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,080 them and because they, we have this like special attachment to 234 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,280 it, because it feels special, like it's a collector's item and 235 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,560 whatnot, then we feel like we can't use it until we have that 236 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:31,960 perfect situation where we could. 237 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,960 And I don't know if that situation is ever going to come 238 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,440 up. You know, some of the notebooks 239 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,600 that we hold on to now we're talking about notebooks. 240 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,320 Some of the notebooks we hold on to, we feel like we have to get 241 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,480 like a perfect solution for it. Like I need to use this for the 242 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,080 perfect thing, otherwise it's wasted. 243 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,280 And I'm like, well, right now it's being wasted because you're 244 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,320 just not using it. I when I was going through mine 245 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,240 too, I was having all of these like reminiscent thoughts of 246 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,520 that. I was like, oh, I saved this 247 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,440 notebook because I was going to do this thing, but I never 248 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,360 actually did that. I mean the other thing too, I 249 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,120 realized how many like R&D notebooks, I actually had a lot 250 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,720 more than I thought that I actually did. 251 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,400 And the other other thing I had to realize too, especially with 252 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,080 like Archer and Oliver, any of the other brands, most of them 253 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,920 have over 150 pages in there, right. 254 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,080 And that was the other thing too, is I was like, if you have 255 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,040 like one idea for a notebook, like I also had to think to 256 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,240 myself, was I or am I actually ever going to do more than just 257 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,320 that one idea in there? Because to make a notebook 258 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,800 solely like a topic notebook, I mean, there has to be some 259 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,040 intentionality behind that and you have to follow through on 260 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,400 it. And I'll tell you, there are a 261 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,200 number of notebooks just where I was like, oh, you are now my 262 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,840 Swatch notebook. I found three different 263 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,400 notebooks that started a Swatch notebook but never followed 264 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,520 through because I like found something else that I thought 265 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,480 was going to be better. Like I started with an A5, but I 266 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,600 never fully figured it out. And then I was like, oh, I have 267 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,480 this traveler size notebook that's actually a better size 268 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,600 for it. And I started inside of there 269 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,320 and then I found like a disc bound one that I was like, 270 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,160 because I can move stuff around. I was like, Oh no, we need to. 271 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,120 We need to pick one and get rid of the rest or use it for 272 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,920 something else. Yeah, I also find it hard to let 273 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,320 go of the half used notebooks because oftentimes they are now 274 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,200 reference materials that I use on the channel. 275 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:24,360 So it's like, Oh yeah, I have an example of a layout where I did 276 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,240 ABC and it's, you know, the first 3 pages of a notebook have 277 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,000 been used 'cause I needed to set that layout up for something. 278 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,320 Thankfully, for the most part with my R&D journals, I do use 279 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,360 them to completion. There might be like one or two 280 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,560 pages kicking around in the back because I'm waiting for the very 281 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:42,120 specific video where I only need 1 to 2 pages, which doesn't 282 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,880 happen very often when I do an ideas video. 283 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,560 But I think that outside of keeping those ones, and I also 284 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:52,680 like to keep the ones that I have already used to completion 285 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,480 in terms of like daily bullet journals and such, my unused 286 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,160 notebook collection is upsettingly large. 287 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,400 And I am, I'm actually like getting to a point where I'm 288 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,360 excited to let some of them go, which feels very strange because 289 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,480 I know that I'm a bit of a notebook quarter and it's like, 290 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,080 oh God, precious, keep it like a dragon. 291 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,440 Especially when you're trying to complete your rainbow out, you 292 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,280 want to make sure that you have a nice gradient. 293 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,360 So you've been picking up notebooks here and there to make 294 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,360 sure that the color transition works well. 295 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:20,320 But I've I've gotten to the point where like this is looking 296 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,080 great, love the rainbow, this is looking good. 297 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,840 Love my specialty collection. But I also have over 100 298 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,400 notebooks just sitting in the shelves behind me over there 299 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:31,920 that just, they don't see the light of day, mainly because 300 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,800 they get like sun damaged and I don't want them to. 301 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,840 But it's like you're just taking up space that could be utilized 302 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,320 for other things. Well, that's actually a really 303 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,200 good transition to move on between the organized 304 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,760 decluttering and then moving into like this storage slash 305 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,040 display space because like you just said, you have your 306 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,680 notebooks out colors specialty displayed. 307 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,560 I'm kind of the other way about it where I use the box cover 308 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,960 because I'm not ready to put the notebook out yet. 309 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,320 So like my method is always once I use a notebook, the box gets 310 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,960 tossed. So it's kind of this like moment 311 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,520 to say, OK, you no longer are brand new. 312 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:09,920 You are being used for something. 313 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,520 You will now go on a shelf for used or R&D notebook. 314 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,000 So I have a whole shelf just for that. 315 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,520 But I really love the covers of a lot of the notebooks too. 316 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,120 A lot of them are very pretty. We like arch and Olive has been 317 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,760 adding designs to the spines like what you have behind you 318 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,200 and you can see those and like those look really nice on the 319 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,480 shelves. And for me especially looking 320 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,320 all the way back to some of those first ones, they're just 321 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,000 white or black boxes. This is like way back when they 322 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,840 didn't have anything specialty. And I was like, those actually 323 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,400 don't look very cool. Like the notebook inside is 324 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,720 neat, but the box itself was kind of boring. 325 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,840 So when I started sending up my shelves, it was really focusing 326 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,680 on two things, which is 1. What looks great facing out when 327 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,120 I see it or if other people people see it, but then also 328 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,200 like hiding the other things behind it. 329 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,360 So one of the things that I do is I do set them up horizontally 330 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,040 across my shelf. But if I really like the cover 331 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,520 and I also need a bit more space, I also stack them kind of 332 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,520 front to back as well because that gives me more space. 333 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:05,880 It's like I think, what did I figure out? 334 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,280 I could fit 11 notebooks across, but I could also fit that many 335 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,400 back. So it was almost like you kind 336 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,880 of take up like 3 or 4 notebook spaces. 337 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,120 You give yourself extra space. This brain does amazing things 338 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,360 when I've got a things onto his shelf, but it was really 339 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,760 fantastic as a way to be like, oh, I'm going to display 340 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,640 different things or as the season change. 341 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,440 It makes me feel like I'm using the collection a little bit more 342 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,200 aesthetically, which is its purpose on the shelf until I use 343 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,400 that notebook. But that's really kind of how I 344 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,800 focused on it too, and saying like, what do I visually want to 345 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,320 see every single day? Whether it's a notebook out the 346 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,840 spine or the front of the notebook. 347 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,400 And then that also helped me make a lot of decisions from a 348 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,360 storage standpoint. Yeah, I found that I was 349 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,440 originally storing them in their boxes. 350 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,000 And then it got to a point where I had so many notebooks that I 351 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,360 was like, oh, if I take this out-of-the-box, I can store even 352 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,680 more because the boxes would just take up so much extra space 353 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,320 because they're thick boxes. It's like that problem of the, 354 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,160 oh, this is a really great box. I kept so many of those ultra 355 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,920 and olive notebook boxes to the point where I had a tower of 356 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,760 them that was taller than me when they were stacked, like 357 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,480 flat packed one on top of the other. 358 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,240 And like, this is a problem. We need to let this go because 359 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:14,960 now you're just double storing things. 360 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,640 You're storing the boxes without the notebooks, but then also 361 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,280 taking out space storing the notebooks. 362 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,320 So like you've got twice the real estate. 363 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,520 I ended up giving all of those boxes to my friend who works at 364 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,200 an early childhood center. Because the kids use it to paint 365 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,000 in because it has like, you know when you go bowling and you 366 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,560 can't not get a gutter ball so you get the little like bumpers 367 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,680 up. It was like that, but for 368 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,720 painting and for children because your paintbrush can't 369 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,640 slip off the paper because it's in a box. 370 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,600 That is actually a really cool idea, I never thought about 371 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,280 that. Look at extra uses for those 372 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,920 Arch and olive notebook boxes we all have so many of. 373 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,440 Yeah, the newer ones don't work quite as well, sadly, because 374 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,080 they have the slide out, but I've also seen people turn those 375 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,520 into little storage drawers and stuff like that, which I think 376 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,240 is a very nifty solution because it effectively is a little 377 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,480 drawer. They just stick the boxes on top 378 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,520 of one another and have little drawers for their pens and such. 379 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,920 Of course, it depends on which pens you're using, because some 380 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,119 pens are too large to fit into certain storage solutions, which 381 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,839 is very frustrating. I was just looking to say, I 382 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:11,920 mean, while we have a lot of art and olive notebooks, one of the 383 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,200 other things I've been trying to do a better job of storing are 384 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,880 just like pocket notebooks or like small little notebooks. 385 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:20,599 So I actually recently when I redid my whole space, I used to 386 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:24,760 have kind of like a like a double wide clear drawers 387 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,560 actually, I think for storage instead I have a refrigerator 388 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,200 with like 2 rows on it. And I actually originally used 389 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,720 it to store my stamps until I found a different way to store 390 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,280 my stamps, but I kept them inside of there. 391 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,280 And then when I moved up here to this office, I was like, well, I 392 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,600 don't have the same drawer space for that. 393 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,600 And I moved them inside of one of my city oak crates and in a 394 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,600 similar fashion. But now those just stack 395 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,120 vertically and they're also on wheels because that's the other 396 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,840 thing too is like there is a closet that's next to me now, 397 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,480 but my wife needs to get into sometimes times and she's like, 398 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,840 you can't put anything in front of that stationary. 399 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,440 Like I do need to still get into that. 400 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,480 And I was like, well, then the art cart goes there and like 401 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,080 there's now this new stack of all of these different things 402 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,200 that are labeled. So I know what's inside of them. 403 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,040 But that has also been something from a notebook standpoint too, 404 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,000 because I couldn't put them on my shelves. 405 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,720 But they're also small. So they also really didn't need 406 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,800 like their own space. And I kind of go back and forth 407 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,400 on using pocket notebooks anyway. 408 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,800 Sometimes it's like quick ideas or I've been using them a lot 409 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,760 for gaming journals and what not, But I also have a a lot of 410 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,120 those too. They just take up less space. 411 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,680 So they're a little bit less of like a menace from a storage 412 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,720 standpoint. But that was an easy way to do 413 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:30,680 it. I know some people store them in 414 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,040 shoeboxes because shoeboxes tend to be a bit taller and they fit 415 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,080 inside of there too. So there are a few options. 416 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,480 I don't know how much of A pocket notebook person you are, 417 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,440 if you have any storage tips. Yeah, no, in terms of pocket 418 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,520 notebooks, I do have some or like at least I have like a six 419 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,560 size ones. In particular, I find that desk 420 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,480 risers are pretty good for that if you get the height right, 421 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,080 because then you can effectively like double stack your vertical 422 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,320 storage of the notebooks. So you can essentially end up 423 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,800 with like it's like a mezzanine shelf is what I like to think of 424 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,640 it as it's you're not moving to the next floor, you're just on 425 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,920 the mezzanine shelf. So you can stack things 426 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,560 underneath it in terms of your notebooks and then also have 427 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,760 them on top of that desk riser. So you can do it that way. 428 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,120 Otherwise, what some people do is that they will just double 429 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:18,000 stack. They will put a full row of 430 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,720 notebooks in their shelf storage and then just another row of 431 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,400 notebooks on top of that. I tend to not like doing that as 432 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,920 much because it makes it harder to get out the ones on the 433 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,880 underside, but if you're not really trying to get them out 434 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,000 super, super often, that can still be a way to store them 435 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,520 all. I feel like if I get to a point 436 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,680 where I need to sort all them in that kind of double system, I 437 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,120 probably need to declutter Decluttering. 438 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,080 It is my favorite sport. I'm just really bad at it when 439 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,160 it comes to notebooks. I tend to be a little bit better 440 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,480 when it comes to like pens and extra things like that. 441 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,840 I don't know if we want to move into that topic next because I 442 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,360 feel like that's a really difficult one from a storage 443 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:59,240 standpoint because there are so many options for pens. 444 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,320 And I want to ask you this question because I feel like 445 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,960 this is one that comes by a lot, especially with specialty pens 446 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,400 like brush pens and acrylographs or paint pens and things like 447 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,680 that. Do you have kind of a rule or a 448 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,000 method when it comes to like what gets stored horizontally 449 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,080 versus what can be stored vertically? 450 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,680 When it comes to certain types of fence because I don't know 451 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,200 the rules. Yeah, so anything that's double 452 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,560 ended, I try to store horizontally, mainly because 453 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,640 gravity will do what gravity does and it will slowly draw the 454 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,000 ink down to one end of the pen. I used to store my Tombos, which 455 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,440 are double ended vertically, and I would find that the bullet 456 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,960 end, which was always stored in the kind of downward position, 457 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,760 would always have a more intense color. 458 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,640 Thankfully, I did have a storage solution for that that came with 459 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,480 a lid. So every so often I would just 460 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,960 put the lid on and flip it over, just store it like that for a 461 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,520 little while so that the ink could kind of start to run in 462 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,440 the other direction. But it got to a point where I 463 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,000 kind of just got sick of doing that. 464 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,600 So I have now got it in a horizontal position. 465 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,240 It's not necessarily perfect, especially because the little 466 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,080 kind of holes that the pens slot into, they hold them, their 467 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,960 wheel enough, but not as well as they could. 468 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,600 Maybe especially when you live in an earthquake country, things 469 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,280 tend to shake around a little bit. 470 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,560 But it's nothing so majorly bad that I've had them like all fall 471 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,040 out at once or anything. Every often I just need to go 472 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,480 and push them back in. I don't know. 473 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,000 Other than that I do like to store like the acrylographs when 474 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,800 I had them, which I do not anymore. 475 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,120 Decluttering for the win. Those ones were always stored 476 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:34,440 horizontally because otherwise you try and shake them and you'd 477 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,160 have to spend like half an hour per pen as opposed to 5 minutes. 478 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,280 And This is why I wouldn't use them, because I don't like to 479 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,280 use supplies that require that much maintenance. 480 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,480 Other than that though, I don't think there are any that 481 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,280 specifically I require to store horizontally, but most of mine 482 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,640 do end up stored horizontally. I came up with a solution for 483 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,800 the acrylic wraps and all of the brush pens too because I had 484 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,880 that issue. A lot of my double ended brush 485 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,160 pens were getting like crystallized. 486 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,160 I don't know what they call it. It was like weird. 487 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,480 I was like a little alien growing on it. 488 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,320 And I was like, is this bacteria? 489 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,480 Fungus? Yeah, fungus. 490 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,160 I don't even know what this is here, but I kind of reached out 491 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,280 to different teams and asked the community about it. 492 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,680 And that's what they said is that like, if it's if it's 493 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,960 stored vertically and the ink is drying out, they can do kind of 494 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,040 weird stuff. And I was like, OK, and I did 495 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,840 find better storage with like drawers and especially for like 496 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,360 acrylographs and all of that. The hard part too, and this is 497 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,360 probably a little like faux pas, but I also like don't love 498 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:33,520 keeping them inside of the boxes that they come in. 499 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,120 While I know that they are good boxes for that storage, I also 500 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,440 like to like visually see my pen. 501 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,480 So I kind of this mixed bag where I have a clear drawer that 502 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,320 has them all in it and I probably have like half of my 503 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,840 pens that are in there, especially like the double ended 504 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,280 pens are not inside of a box. But then all the acrylographs I 505 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,600 have organized either by collection or if they already 506 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,360 came in like a packaging like a sub box, I just keep them in 507 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,440 there and like right on the end. So I know what's in it. 508 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,320 But it is just good because like you said, I had to learn over 509 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,560 time to store those horizontally. 510 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,360 But there's just like I didn't, I never found like a really 511 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:14,600 fantastic option for it. I just feel like everyone's just 512 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,320 kind of figuring it out and we're like, oh, go to Muji and 513 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,360 then you have to go over here to buy these little pen slot 514 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,200 holders and then you go over here to get and I was like, this 515 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,400 is a lot. I need something a lot easier, 516 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,880 but that was definitely helpful for me from like a horizontal 517 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,880 standpoint. But still, sometimes it's just 518 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,240 easier to have things vertically because there's so many more 519 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,120 options for vertical storage I feel like. 520 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,320 Yeah, I think that a lot of the pen storage for me is like 521 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,120 trying to make it visual because otherwise I will forget that I 522 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,560 have them. I've been very much into the 523 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,800 idea of like visual versus non visual and macro versus micro 524 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,720 organization in terms of supplies. 525 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,040 So for instance, visual means like you can see it get the way 526 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,320 and typically you can see it in such a way that means that it's 527 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,800 going to be readily available like it's in your line of sight 528 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,760 as opposed to visually appealing in a closet that you close and 529 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,440 it's like hidden away type of a thing. 530 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,320 So visual versus hidden. And then macro versus micro is 531 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,640 more about like do you need very specific tiny categories or do 532 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,360 you need like quite large categories. 533 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,800 So you doing like acrylographs, calliographs, super tips, like 534 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,440 all of that? Or are you doing hens? 535 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:20,600 That would be the macro category. 536 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,480 I am not just storing things in pens unless they're those kind 537 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,320 of ones that are, you know, the random oddball pens you get 538 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,520 where you might, you know, go to go wild or something and they'll 539 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,440 give you like 3 sample pens. And you're like, well, I don't 540 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,400 want to get rid of this because it's a pen and this still has 541 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,920 ink. And I don't want to, you know, 542 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,840 just like throw away something that still could be useful, but 543 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,640 I don't want to have it just like by itself, exactly like 544 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,200 that, right? Because Because I have. 545 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,720 Yeah, because I have like special pens. 546 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,920 I mean, for instance, I mean, I basically built my entire studio 547 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,720 around my fountain pen wall that's behind me now, right? 548 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,080 I have all of them in there and it's like they're on display. 549 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,240 That's where those go. And then I also have behind me 550 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,200 too, called Hive Keep. It was a brand that makes these. 551 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,000 They're actually made for like tattoo ink, but they also can be 552 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,040 used for other storage too. And I got those because visually 553 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,760 they look really cool and they organize in that micro version 554 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,960 that you're talking about because each hexagon only fits 555 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,920 so many pens. And what I've done essentially 556 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,000 is I've gone through and I've pared down and organized things 557 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,600 in there by that. So it's like my first row is 558 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,640 like pens that I always use or like we'll easily grab, like you 559 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,600 said, that visual needed in a spot so I can grab it easily. 560 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,920 And I have mechanical pencils next to that. 561 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,520 And then from there, I kind of just built out because I also 562 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,320 like to keep things in collections by brand. 563 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,280 That's also really big thing for me too because I feel like often 564 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,840 when I'm like, oh, I'm going to grab this, I feel like I have to 565 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,400 use the whole brand of like the colors or whatever it is. 566 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,120 I don't have to, I'm not like sponsored by anybody or 567 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,040 whatever. But I feel like if I'm going to 568 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,640 use like a zebra pen, then I have to use the zebra mildliners 569 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,960 and then I have to use the zebra other things because it just 570 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,960 feels like a little family. But realistically, that's not 571 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,800 how I think a lot of people necessarily work. 572 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,960 And you don't always have all the products from every single 573 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,240 single brand too. So I think it's like an 574 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,080 interesting way to look at it and think about like, well, what 575 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,560 do I need accessible? Like you said, what looks nice, 576 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,880 especially if it's colored tips of things. 577 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,080 So it gets to be a lot. Tell us about how you store your 578 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,720 things that aren't just in pen boxes. 579 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,640 Yeah, because I would not. I'd not like keeping the pens in 580 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,240 the pen boxes. Again, if I can't say it, then 581 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,520 I'm not going to use that type of a thing. 582 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,680 My pen solutions are not ideal and I know it's in part because 583 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,440 I need to do more decluttering of my pens. 584 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,880 I did recently do a declutter and actually got rid of a good 585 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,200 chunk of them. I was very proud of myself. 586 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,200 There's still more work to be done, but I kind of like I like 587 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,440 to double dip. I swear some of them I will 588 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,400 store by brand like the Tombos. They must stay together. 589 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,640 They have their Tombo carry case. 590 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,680 That is what they are in my Statler Tri plus fine liners. 591 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,520 They will be together. They will be in their little 592 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,520 buckets and such. Anything that is from Zebra is 593 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,320 usually in its own collection if I have the full collection. 594 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,800 So like the mod liners, they are in their own space. 595 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,160 I have the click arts in their own space. 596 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,640 I have my what Crayola super tips in their own space. 597 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,680 All of them rainbow ordered because I'm personally like 598 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,760 that, but I'm a sticky biscuit when it comes to the visuals of 599 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,280 it. But all of those kind of like 600 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,680 smaller collections or one offs, they get stored by colour 601 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,760 instead. So I have all of these little 602 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,640 plastic drawers, like the acrylic clear plastic drawers, 603 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,320 and I don't want any cloudiness in the drawer except for one of 604 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840 them that I intentionally cloudified, but that's not for 605 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,520 pens. And I like to put them all by 606 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,600 their colour family. So I've got my little red drawer 607 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,440 and my orange and my yellow. They look beautiful. 608 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000 And it means that if I'm looking for a particular colour that's 609 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,560 in terms of like a ballpoint, then usually I can just go to 610 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,440 one of those drawers and I know what I'm going to find there. 611 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,040 It's interesting, I always thought about what if I did 612 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960 break them apart and do them by color because I feel like often 613 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,560 that's kind of what you're looking for. 614 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,520 But so many of the sets already have all of the colors. 615 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,720 So it's like that push and pull between like do I need a certain 616 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,200 shade or a certain piece? And that's where I feel like 617 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,200 those Swatch books come in really important too, because 618 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,440 often you either forget like what it writes like or sometimes 619 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,200 the cap color is not the same color that comes out of that 620 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,360 pen. And that happens a lot for me. 621 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,360 And it's very, very troublesome, especially as someone who's 622 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,960 color deficient. Like I rely on colors. 623 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760 Well, specifically color names in like colored numbers of 624 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,320 things to help me out if I'm trying to find certain colors. 625 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,280 But like I can see color. So if I'm like, oh, this is a 626 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,640 green pen or marker and I bring it out and it's like, actually, 627 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,960 no, that has more black in it or I don't even know. 628 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,560 It happens a lot with the Archer and olive brush pens. 629 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,600 Let's just put it that way. Then you obviously haven't tried 630 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,400 the Oh Hoo Hoos or the create all the Super tips because they 631 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,480 are notoriously poor. Like right in terms of a, you 632 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,040 know, budget friendly option and such. 633 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,200 But in terms of matching caps to colors, No, no, no, no, no, no, 634 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,040 no. So it's hard to kind of count on 635 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,680 that. So I think it is very much like 636 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,720 those watch books are important, but I do think it's a lot of fun 637 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,240 to organize. I mean, when I sit down with all 638 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,960 of my stuff and I just did this again, even though everything 639 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,960 was already in the container when I brought it up here 640 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,720 because it was easy to store. I still took everything out and 641 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,560 I cleaned inside because I was like this is a fresh start space 642 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,360 so like let's do it and like putting them back in there. 643 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,680 And I did really think about like what am I using and what am 644 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,440 I not using it? And I did have a separate bin 645 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,880 that I took to work. My my friends at work love me 646 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,560 because anytime I declutter they get all of it and they're like 647 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,760 why do you have so quick? Why are you bringing more mild 648 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,920 liners this time? I was like because I already 649 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,440 have like 3 complete sets. I don't need any more but I get 650 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,200 them so often. But it was just like do I use 651 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,200 these also? And my wife gets mad at me 652 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,720 because I also take out like pinks and purples and like a lot 653 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,800 of pastel colors because I don't typically use them in my bullet 654 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,240 journal. And she's like, why are you 655 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,760 giving me all of your pinks and purples? 656 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,280 And I was like, I just don't use pink and purple. 657 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,200 So like, why am I going to store it if I'm not going to use it as 658 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,760 my thought process? Maybe it's not super inclusive 659 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,800 of all the colors, but it's my stuff. 660 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,240 Well, I mean, that's the point, right? 661 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,360 Like in terms of storing the things in your selection of 662 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,200 supplies, it makes sense to keep things that you are going to 663 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,800 use, because otherwise you're storing stuff that's literally 664 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,640 just there to complete a set rather than to be functional in 665 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,680 the way that you're going to be using your supplies. 100% And so 666 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,000 that's been like a really big thing for me in this new move 667 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,640 has been exactly that. Am I going to use it also? 668 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,800 I will fully admit this, and everyone knows this, you find 669 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,040 stuff you forgot that you even had even though it's out. 670 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,680 And I was like, oh, I really loved using this pen or I should 671 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,600 use that more. And that's what I've been doing. 672 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,840 I've been almost like challenging myself now, but I 673 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,360 know that it's there. I'm like, Mark, you're going to 674 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,800 use those metallic brush markers like you bought them for a 675 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,640 reason. It's time to find a fun way to 676 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,880 incorporate them. You haven't used them in a year. 677 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,040 Let's hope that they still work. I didn't test them out, but 678 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600 hopefully that when I do, they will still be good to go. 679 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,800 And I'll be like, oh, I'll remember why I love these so 680 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,760 much much. But as the collection is getting 681 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,360 bigger, though, it is getting more and more difficult where I 682 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,320 do have to be very selective about what's out and what's not. 683 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,960 But I feel like that's part of that paring down process like 684 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,560 you mentioned. Yeah, I think that the nice part 685 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,480 about pens in particular, maybe not so much fountain pens but 686 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,640 just general pens, is that when it doesn't work, it is so easy 687 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,160 to let go off for the most part because I'm like, there's 688 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,520 absolutely no point in keeping you because you do not write. 689 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,520 The ones that I find hardest are the ones that still write, and 690 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,360 they write OK enough, but they're not my like, most 691 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,960 readily grabbed kind of pen, if that makes sense. 692 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960 It'll be one that like I could use but I just don't. 693 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,720 One of the hexagons is filled with those pens where I'm like, 694 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,160 it's a nice pen. Like it wasn't cheap, but I also 695 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,080 like not going for that one first. 696 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,960 So it is kind of what we talked about almost with the notebooks 697 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120 where you're like, I don't want to get rid of it yet. 698 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,640 But that does come in handy when someone's like, oh, I need a 699 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,800 gift or a gift idea or donation. I'm like here, I'm not using 700 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,560 these like take these like the amount of things I've given away 701 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,920 recently. Everyone's loving me because 702 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,080 it's so much good stuff, but it's then I had like also 703 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,080 validate myself. Then that's the problem where 704 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,000 I'm like, well, good thing I held on to that and didn't get 705 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,560 rid of that a while ago. We wouldn't have had that today, 706 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,160 but it's definitely one of those things of like finding the right 707 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,920 size. The other thing I was going to 708 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400 mention too, like if you're really starting from scratch on 709 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,600 this, always buy more than what you think you're going to need 710 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,120 from a storage perspective. So like I just did that. 711 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,480 I went to Office Depot and I was looking for all of this 712 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,280 different size storage for my drawers, but I was, I wasn't 713 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,920 sure exactly what was going to work and like how many I was 714 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,120 going to need. So I bought more than I needed. 715 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,280 I just took back what I didn't have. 716 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,880 But at least I have to like go back out to the store and like 717 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,960 buy more, you know, like I had everything here. 718 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,680 I just had to take a separate trip later on when I realized I 719 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,760 bought too much. I love your tip because I'm just 720 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,800 like, absolutely do not do that because you're introducing more 721 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,760 clutter to your house that you do not need. 722 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,040 Instead, what you should do is get out some parchment paper, 723 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,760 put it into your drawer. Make sure that you measure the 724 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,800 that you have so that you can take that piece of parchment 725 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,040 paper that's been measured to your drawer to the store and 726 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,880 figure out what will fit perfectly in your drawer 727 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,200 instead, because then it will match perfectly to your drawer. 728 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,000 Nothing's going to Shaka Shaka around and you can place your 729 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,920 items into that. Oh, Jess, This is why you're the 730 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,440 best person. We are so different when it 731 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,560 comes to that. I was like, I could not even I 732 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,400 would have never in my life, first of all thought to do that. 733 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Like take paper to a store to measure ahead of type. 734 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,120 Weird. But yeah, I'm definitely the 735 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,560 type of person. I mean, I guess everyone's 736 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,800 different. Like maybe some people would 737 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,320 forget to take them back to the store then feel like they were 738 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,400 going to use them for something else. 739 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,040 Like. But I knew in my mindset though, 740 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,920 like I bought more than I needed and I took my medicine that 741 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,120 morning that I didn't have those impulsive thoughts of not taking 742 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,160 them back. And I finished what I was doing 743 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,600 and I took them right back and returned them. 744 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,280 I got my money back and I was like, perfect. 745 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,680 I didn't have to make several trips to Home Depot because I 746 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,400 forgot to buy the extra set of nails. 747 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,680 You know, like I just had what I needed and went that way. 748 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,360 Or the smarter way is just his way which is planning ahead. 749 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,400 No, I'm just the kind of person who if I go and get it, it's 750 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,320 never gonna leave my house. Like it's just gonna end up 751 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,159 being like in my clutter pile in two years time when I do another 752 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,400 day clutter or something. Because I'm not the kind of 753 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,679 person who returns things often unless there's something 754 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,199 genuinely not right with it. I've just kind of, I justify it 755 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,560 to myself, right? Like, oh, I'm sure I could find 756 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,320 somewhere else to use it. And then it's literally all just 757 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,800 sitting in my spare room. And I have company tomorrow, so 758 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,600 it needs to find a new home now. Maybe I should start my 759 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,120 decluttering today. Yeah, another ADHD pile. 760 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,159 Just move it somewhere else, you know, and just keep building on 761 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:39,159 top of it. Yeah, I think that the hard part 762 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,679 about those piles is that is that perfectionistic kind of 763 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,560 mindset. It's like, I'll leave it here 764 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,760 because I can't do it perfect just now, but I want it to be 765 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,679 done perfectly. And then the time for perfection 766 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,639 never comes. And the pile sits and the pile 767 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,239 festers and the pile grows and you're just like, great, now 768 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,679 it's even more of a problem for future me. 769 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,920 Yeah, my problem was always I do that, but I'm like, oh, I'm 770 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,480 gonna sit this box over here because I want to do a YouTube 771 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,040 video or an unboxing with it. Like my subscription box from 772 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,440 the past Arch and Olive box is sitting here. 773 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200 I've moved it several times around my new space because it 774 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,560 was like, Mark, you need to make that video about like ideas on 775 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,320 how to use this. But I don't want to take the 776 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,520 items out of it because they're already organized in a box. 777 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,040 But it's one of those things where I like, I can't wait to 778 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,000 just put all those things in their specific spots in the 779 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,240 office where they're going to go and get rid of just the box. 780 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,280 But I also just like, but then I pile on top of that because then 781 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,800 it's like, oh, new pens came. We're also going to do a video 782 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,560 for that. Oh, a few new inks. 783 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,160 Oh, I got a new sticker book. And then, yeah, next thing you 784 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,520 know, the pile is half the size of me. 785 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,280 I, I in particular needed a solution to that type of a thing 786 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,440 because when I do, for instance, like a monthly setup or whatnot, 787 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,080 I want to use the same suppliers for the entire of the month. 788 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,760 So I would just leave them out on my desk because if I put them 789 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,200 away, they're not coming out again, which means that 790 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,800 everything won't be cohesive matchy matchy like I like it to 791 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,040 be. So instead what I did was go and 792 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,880 buy a set of three acrylic drawers just from Kmart. 793 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,400 Actually I think they're not even a set. 794 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,600 They're three separate drawers that are like modal so you can 795 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,160 click them together. Love it. 796 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,320 I know not everybody has Kmart anymore. 797 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,120 Haha. Shame. 798 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,440 No, I'm so I'm so sorry for you, but we also don't have the 799 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,360 container store so like, this is the only thing I've got. 800 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,440 Guys, come on. Did if I tell you that I used to 801 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,480 work at the container store? And you. 802 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,880 And you left crazy. Well, no, I loved working there. 803 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,600 Talk about organization. I mean, it's it's it's it's 804 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,400 literally as a passion of mine. First, it was the most amazing 805 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,880 place to ever work, hands down. Like aside from my career that I 806 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,120 have now, that was an amazing retail job. 807 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,640 But I also used to be it like an alpha designer. 808 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,640 So I used to design the closets. Like that's another big exciting 809 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,920 part of my life. But I love finding solutions to 810 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,320 people's problems and my own as well, obviously. 811 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,240 And yeah, store is just like, it is drugs for people to like to 812 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,720 organize because you're just like, oh, over here or go over 813 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,880 here, like over behind me. I have one of these like spinny 814 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,720 things for inks because I was like, I want to display inks, 815 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,240 but it's not ones. I have it all the time. 816 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,080 I was explaining to the person that works there. 817 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,840 And we did. We went on like a treasure hunt 818 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,880 around the store. And I was like, this is what I 819 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,320 loved about working here. When someone comes to you with a 820 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,840 problem and you're just like, OK, let's solve this together. 821 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,240 The truth is, is that not every place is like that. 822 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,440 I'm sure that people like Kmart maybe not as excited to help you 823 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,960 find storage solutions for your project boxes. 824 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,080 Not so much, but I do love that like, you know, because we don't 825 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,720 have the Container Store, we at least have this and they have a 826 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,080 range. I think it's supposed to be 827 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,880 bathroom storage. I don't know, it's in the 828 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,120 bathroom section, but they're all of these little acrylic 829 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,240 plastic drawers that fit together nicely. 830 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,000 And that is what I've got on my desktop. 831 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,080 Like that is what all of my rainbow drawers are. 832 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,040 That is what my project boxes are because I wanted three of 833 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,720 them so I could have one for my everyday journal setup and one 834 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,320 for my reading journal setup and one for next month setup because 835 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,840 I usually set up a little bit in advance. 836 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,160 So it's like haha beautifully organized system. 837 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,120 Yay. I just, they make my heart 838 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,040 happy. The only problem is is that 839 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,120 they're not long enough to fit any of the calliographs in. 840 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,280 Why did they make the pen so long? 841 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,320 Why? There has to be like some like 842 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,400 national standard size that they're supposed to be, right to 843 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,640 fit inside of those containers. I mean, that's always been the 844 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,240 problem. I know when people try to use 845 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,240 the notebook boxes to store those, they're like, it doesn't 846 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,840 quite fit. Not every single acrylic bin out 847 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,400 there works with it. It does make it a little bit 848 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,200 more difficult and it's not like a standard size, but that's 849 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,320 their differentiator, Jess. They're just really, really long 850 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,760 brush bends. Just get me something to file 851 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,920 the end off. I swear it would just make my 852 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,800 life so much easier if all of the pens that I had would fit 853 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,440 into the same storage solution, but that's just not the way 854 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,680 reality has lined up for me. It's fine. 855 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,600 I'll be fine. Well, let's move on to the next 856 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,120 storage item, because I'm sure every single person in the 857 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,480 entire world has this issue. How are we stirring washi tapes? 858 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,040 Poorly. Poorly is the answer. 859 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,560 I know some people are out there like taking the washi off the 860 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,040 roll and putting it onto cards and such, and I can understand 861 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,120 that that will definitely save you space. 862 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,040 But heck to the Nah, am I gonna do that? 863 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,720 Wait, what? There's a There's another option 864 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,520 of storing washes and just on a roll. 865 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,600 Yeah, people get like a little plastic card, notably not like 866 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,760 this one, this is metal. And they will just stick one end 867 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,600 of the washi down and then wind it around and around the card. 868 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,200 You'll end up with a washi business card effectively. 869 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,440 And they'll usually fit maybe 3 or 4 different designs on there 870 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,760 if you're going with the regular, you know, 1 1/2 871 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,440 centimetre wide kind of ones. But it means that you're not 872 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,640 storing them on rolls. So they can slot into a drawer 873 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,640 and flat pack a lot easier. Whereas the rolls obviously take 874 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,800 up a little bit of extra space, and a decent chunk of that space 875 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,760 is wasted because there's a big hole in the middle of it. 876 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,840 That I've never, I've seen people that give like little 877 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,840 washi samples on those cards, but I've never in my life 878 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,800 thought about like converting washi rolls to those cards, like 879 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,200 whole washi rolls. Yeah, I think that also, if you 880 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,920 think about it in terms of the samples and maybe in terms of 881 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,760 how long a washi roll actually is, when you wind it around for 882 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,960 the entire roll, obviously it's going to get a little plump, 883 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,680 which is fine. You know, if you're going to use 884 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,480 it all totally fine. But it can also be a nice way to 885 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,680 just take what you need and pass on the rest of the tape. 886 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,040 I find that with a lot of the types that I have in my 887 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,640 collection, I'll use maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of a roll. 888 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,920 And by the point of getting to that, I'm like, I don't really 889 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,840 need this anymore. Like it can go and live with 890 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,480 somebody else because I've used it to the extent that I want to. 891 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,680 That's interesting. Yeah. 892 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,840 A lot of my storage for Washi is varied. 893 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,760 So when I got the, I forget how to pronounce it, but the 894 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,800 pegboard from IKEA that's behind me, I was thinking of a 895 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,600 potentially a few different ways to organize it there. 896 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,760 And there are a lot of different solutions with like shelves and 897 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,840 stacking. I ended up with these little 898 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,640 elastic accessories that come with this and they're kind of 899 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,680 hanging on. They're almost like Garland in a 900 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,520 way. The same thing as I talked about 901 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,120 before with the notebooks, like I was picking ones that I use 902 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,880 often to have up there, right? That way they're there, they 903 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,640 have a purpose, not just visually look cool, but they 904 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,160 also have a purpose because I'll use them. 905 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,520 Now everything else I kind of have in two different spots 906 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,760 right now. One, on the back of my art cart, 907 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,680 there was an accessory that you could buy that have these little 908 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,240 hinges on it. Maybe it's used for other 909 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:18,840 things, but I used it for washi tape. 910 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,920 So I still have probably another third of my collection on that 911 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,160 right now because that's where they all were before they move 912 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,440 to my little Garland hangers. But then I also just have a box 913 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,080 of washi. It's just one of those 914 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,040 collapsible boxes and it's like a miscellaneous bin at like the 915 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,120 art and craft store because it's like stuff that I don't want to 916 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,160 get rid of because I could potentially use it. 917 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,320 But it's also not my favorite stuff also. 918 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,840 So I also will grab into that. I just did that tonight. 919 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,000 My wife was going to a friend's house for a game night and she 920 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,160 had a notebook that I gave her and a pen I gave her. 921 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,600 She's like, what else? I was like, please take some 922 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,280 washi. Like I've got a ton of it. 923 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,760 I just like brought the bin up and she picked through it. 924 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,280 And I do that with work too. If it's stuff I'm just not sure 925 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,360 about it, just take it there. But I definitely like the idea 926 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,040 of that. I know some people do them with 927 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,080 those clear drawers as well. I have actually, Oh my gosh. 928 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,520 I also have a clear drawer that I haven't emptied that's down 929 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,320 the basement too yet. Oh my gosh. 930 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,800 Oh, no, no, From my tape storage. 931 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,720 I just do them in drawers. The drawers are quite shallow, 932 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,680 so it's kind of like just one stack high, I guess. 933 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,920 And I arranged it so you can actually see the design of the 934 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,200 tape. I'm not stacking it kind of 935 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,800 like, you know, face down or whatever. 936 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,720 It's going to be Sunnyside up so you can see it. 937 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,880 And I do try and arrange it so that they are all in the same 938 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,240 orientation. And I in particular try and 939 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,560 arrange it so that they're not going to roll back and forth. 940 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960 They're going to roll side to side because I don't want to 941 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,200 open up the drawer and have them all roll to the back of the 942 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200 drawer where I now can't see them anymore. 943 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,000 The only main organization that I have in there is one splitting 944 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,840 it into washy versus PET because I want all my pet tapes together 945 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,600 and all of my washy tapes together just because they do 946 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,400 kind of serve different functions for me. 947 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,440 And then the second level of organization there is having all 948 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,280 of the black and white ones together, which are typically 949 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,920 like the black and white grid ones or like anything celestial 950 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,480 or such, like you know, main colours are black and white. 951 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,520 And then the other space is for anything craft, tan, neutral, 952 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120 kind of colours. Everything else is just like a 953 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,040 find a space that fits type of a deal. 954 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,280 It's not the perfect solution that it's the one I have at the 955 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,880 moment. The thing with the drawers, I 956 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,280 did think about that, but the problem I was having is that I 957 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,360 couldn't figure out how to like keep them like contained to 958 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,560 their washi width so that they weren't doing that. 959 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,520 I mean, I know there's definitely like drawer dividers 960 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,040 and things like that that I would probably use, but I did 961 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,960 have one of the shells I got up here is like it has a lip around 962 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,280 it and I was like, oh, I could use that. 963 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,280 But I when I loaded them in perfectly, it looked really 964 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,000 nice. But then as soon as I like 965 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,120 picked it up and moved it, by the time I got it onto the 966 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,920 board, they were scattered all over. 967 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,000 And I was like, this is like it isn't even organized chaos. 968 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,280 It was just chaos in a bin and I just couldn't, I couldn't do it. 969 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,320 I took them off and I was like, no, this isn't what this is for. 970 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,360 Now I I can't. So I just put them back onto 971 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,000 that little like vertical slider. 972 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,640 Yeah, I find that using kind of drawer inserts, which I usually 973 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,000 just use the ultra and olive boxes because haha, why not? 974 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,080 I have them. So anything that I want to kind 975 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,240 of keep contained and together I'll put into those. 976 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,440 I do also know that sometimes people get those actual 977 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,760 separators that like you can extend to the exact width of 978 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,480 your drawer or length of your drawer, or you can just use 979 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,520 dowels like wooden rods and they don't even need to be threaded 980 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,920 through the washi. In fact, don't because otherwise 981 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,280 then you can't get anything out of the drawer, but you can use 982 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,280 it to kind of make lanes or channels that your washi won't 983 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,000 roll over because there's kind of something standing in its 984 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,760 way. That can be 1 system. 985 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,520 I kind of want to get something for myself. 986 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,080 I haven't done it yet. At the moment I am just using 987 00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:43,560 all of these little boxes as draw inserts. 988 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,160 Very cheap. Well, I guess you could say very 989 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,160 cheap if you just bought the notebook for the box. 990 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,080 No, not so cheap, but given that I bought it for the notebook 991 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,600 very cheap. So it's a solution. 992 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,600 It's not a perfect one, it's not like the most aesthetic, but it 993 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,640 works. I thought about also, I know a 994 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,400 lot of people on, I've seen people buy on Amazon, they're 995 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,080 similar to the stacking shelves like you've talked about, but 996 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,160 they are kind of like tape dispensers. 997 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,360 So you like stack your washi up on those and that way you pull 998 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,280 them off. But they have the like serrated 999 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,720 teeth on it. And I'm not about serrated teeth 1000 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,800 for my washing and a nice clean cut. 1001 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,680 But I did think about that as well because that way you like 1002 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,000 you can stack them and you can still see the design that's on 1003 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,560 them. And then you could just kind of 1004 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,400 like build them out. But I think in my mind though, I 1005 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,120 really just decided like, I'm not going to be that type of 1006 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,480 washi person. I have a lot of it. 1007 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,880 I don't use it all the time, but it's like I have it. 1008 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,400 So I tried to use it. I feel like I was really big 1009 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,240 into washi. And we know plenty of our plenty 1010 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:45,720 of our pals are washi fanatics. I feel like then in that case, I 1011 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,680 would have like a wall of washi instead of a wall of fountain 1012 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,400 pens, right, Or something like that where you just have them 1013 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,160 out because they are so beautiful. 1014 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,400 I mean, I think that's the thing about them too is like you want 1015 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,400 to see them because one that you know, you have them, but to like 1016 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,760 they have really beautiful designs on them, like their art 1017 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,640 tape. So it's just like you want them 1018 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,280 to also look really pretty too, which I think this adds to like 1019 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,960 finding the right storage for them. 1020 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,760 Or again, if you're just putting them inside of a box, but you 1021 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,480 can't see them, it's like then making sure you're labeling them 1022 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,880 the right way and it gets to be complex. 1023 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,280 But definitely was curious and I got some good tips from you 1024 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,000 there just on how to potentially source some washi outside of 1025 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,640 just like the bins that already exist or again, just like 1026 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,080 hanging them like Garland around your art space. 1027 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,600 Yeah, I think that the macro verse micro storage also comes 1028 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,840 into it because you have some people out there who have very 1029 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,440 extensive washi collections because that's that is their 1030 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,000 thing. Like that is their supply that 1031 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,200 they love to collect. So they will have, you know, 1032 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,400 their section of stars and their section of bows and their 1033 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,080 sections of Reds and oranges and yellows and all of that kind of 1034 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,760 a thing. Whereas for you notably, you 1035 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,960 don't use washi quite as much. So just having this is my washi 1036 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,240 bucket like that might be sufficient. 1037 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,960 Like provided you can remember what's in there, which you know, 1038 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,760 when your collection starts getting too big, it can be a 1039 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,520 little difficult, yadda yadda. But not all storage solutions 1040 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,040 are going to be exactly right for everyone. 1041 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,920 And that's why it's good that we have options. 1042 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,400 Like the little dispenses that you were talking about before. 1043 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,360 Some of the tapes that I previously purchased did come on 1044 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,160 those. And while they were very handy 1045 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,440 for being able to just get a little bit of tape off or 1046 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,000 whatnot, you also had to be very mindful of how many you had on 1047 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,600 there. Because if you stack them too 1048 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,520 close to each other, because they are sticky, they stick to 1049 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,400 each other, which means that when 1 rolls, the others roll at 1050 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,920 the same time. You're like, no, no, no, no, not 1051 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,880 all of you. Just one, just one tape. 1052 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,440 Thank you so much. And also if you wanted to change 1053 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,520 them out or anything because your preferences changed or one 1054 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,880 of them ran out or anything, you have to like take all of them 1055 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,600 off. That was the biggest issue that 1056 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,160 I foresaw with these garlands inside. 1057 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,640 It's like, OK, I want that tape in the middle so I have to take 1058 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,840 the whole thing off and then take all of these ones off so 1059 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,400 that I can get that one tape out so I can put everything back on 1060 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,040 so I can hang it back up so I'm not making a mess of my floor. 1061 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:54,960 Too much effort. Not going to be for me. 1062 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,160 I mean, that's how the accessory holder on the art card is. 1063 00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,560 You have to, I'm like, oh, I need this one. 1064 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,520 Then I like take them off as like a sleeve to get one off and 1065 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,080 put them all back on. And I'm usually really good 1066 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,520 about doing that, making sure because I don't want it to be a 1067 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,000 mess. But it's definitely not the 1068 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,840 easiest. Some of us have smaller hands. 1069 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,400 It's hard for us. Yeah, the struggle is real. 1070 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,760 So for those ones we feel like we maybe have a an OK hold on, 1071 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,600 maybe not the perfect solution, but still a good enough. 1072 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,480 What would be the biggest problem area you find in your 1073 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,600 storage for your supplies? Well, we talked about all the 1074 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,240 big ones, like washi tape was kind of the one in there, but I 1075 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:32,440 would say definitely my ink collection because none of those 1076 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,920 bottles are always like a standard size. 1077 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,160 And so you have like really fat ones and thin ones and all of 1078 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,760 those types of things. So for a really long time I was 1079 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,800 just kind of like stacking them on a desk. 1080 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,080 And because I like to explained things, eventually I got to a 1081 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,520 point where I was like, OK, I need to find like a really good 1082 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,360 way to do this. And a lot of the, you know, 1083 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,640 container store options at the time were essentially like 1084 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,000 pantry storage that only had like 3 shells, but they were 1085 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,280 deep ones, right? So it was like you could 1086 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,800 probably fit like 3 or 4 cans on a shelf and then stack them. 1087 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,920 But when you have inks, like I want to be able to see them and 1088 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,640 pick them out. So that wasn't it. 1089 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,040 So I did a little bit of research. 1090 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,960 I actually ended up finding the ones that are multi tiered, but 1091 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,720 they're for nail Polish. So essentially that's like A8 1092 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,960 tier or A5 Tier 1 and they're fully clear, which is what I 1093 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,680 wanted anyway. And you just kind of screw them 1094 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,760 together and they stand on them perfectly. 1095 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,760 And I was like, oh, this is fantastic. 1096 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,160 And then I was like, wait a second, what if I flip the shelf 1097 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,200 upside down? Because on the ones that I have, 1098 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,200 it has like a lip on the inside. And I was like, oh, because 1099 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,480 sometimes if I go to grab an ink and it like taps another one, 1100 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,240 it's like Domino's, it's the scariest sound ever in the 1101 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,840 entire world. And so for some of them, like 1102 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,800 Ferris Wheel Press, for instance, they're a little bit 1103 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,200 thinner bottles. They look very nice. 1104 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,560 So I want them out. So I was able to flip that 1105 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,080 around and they fit perfectly inside of there. 1106 00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,920 So they're like somewhat contained. 1107 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,720 And so I have four of those now and I'm, I'm not going to go 1108 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:05,880 beyond that. But then it was funny earlier 1109 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,520 when you were talking about like the, the mezzanine shelves and 1110 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,400 like doing that, that's essentially what I've also done. 1111 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,040 So all of my inks are on those stack shelves, but I also have 1112 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,520 ink samples. So they're, you know, smaller 1113 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,440 bottles of those. And so I do have ink sample 1114 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:24,760 holders and a lot of different varieties. 1115 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,720 And that's what I did. I created a stack shelf. 1116 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,960 So all of my pens sit on top and then in that little under 1117 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,760 mezzanine area, that's where all of the samples go. 1118 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,400 So they have a place, they have a storage solution and how 1119 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,680 they're going there. But it took me a while to get 1120 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,120 there. A lot of trial and error where I 1121 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,480 was like, OK, pile them all in here. 1122 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,560 Or do I keep them inside the boxes? 1123 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,360 I know a lot of people that have Ferris Wheel Press inks will 1124 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,160 keep them in the boxes because the boxes are also very 1125 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,760 beautiful and they have the details of the ink on them. 1126 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,280 But I wanted to see the ink. But again, this is years of 1127 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,000 exploration and trying things and reusing them. 1128 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,680 It's definitely not always recommended, but I had to go 1129 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,800 through that and now I love telling people because they'll 1130 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,000 see that and be like, Mark, how are you displaying all your 1131 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,000 inks? I'm like, oh, here's the Amazon 1132 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,880 link for these nail Polish holders. 1133 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,040 That's perfect. And it always, and I tell them 1134 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,960 my little tip about flipping the shelves over if they want to 1135 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,120 store them inside of. But what's your problem area? 1136 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,120 Just that you're solving for yourself or not solving yet. 1137 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:27,200 The solution is coming, solution pending, but mine is going to 1138 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,400 have to be stickers like pins also only because I need to 1139 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,040 declutter some of them and some of them are too long. 1140 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,120 But it's fine, I'll figure it out one day eventually maybe I 1141 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,840 don't know. Anyways, so stickers on the 1142 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,920 other hand, I think the hardest part here is just that like I 1143 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,160 really want it to be a one and done solution. 1144 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,120 I want it to be like A1 size fits all. 1145 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,840 And it's not going to happen because the stickers are 1146 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,560 different sizes and they different shapes. 1147 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,960 And some of them are in books and some of them are in packets 1148 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,760 and some of them have, you know, backing on the packet that shows 1149 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,640 you what all the stickers are and some of them don't. 1150 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,760 And I'm just like, so my current solution for that has been 1151 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,680 actually moving my journals out of my art cart and keeping my 1152 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,320 sticker books there because then they're here and I can see them 1153 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,240 and I've got them rainbow ordered because I'm that way 1154 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,280 inclined. That one's been quite good so 1155 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,480 far because it just keeps them kind of like front and center. 1156 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,840 Like you can see it. You might actually use it in 1157 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,160 terms of the individual packets of stickers, though. 1158 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,320 I'm going or attempting to build out, I suppose attempting to 1159 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,760 build out a storage solution that is slaves, like plastic 1160 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,120 pocket slaves in binders. I just don't have kind of 1161 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,120 binders because as you start to add stickers to them, the 1162 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,920 binders start to get very chunky and full. 1163 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,520 So I have required several. Originally I had bought an A4 1164 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,440 size 1 because I'm like, oh, this is going to be nice and 1165 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,920 big. I can have heaps of pockets. 1166 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,560 I can fit like plenty of stickers in there. 1167 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,000 But then of course, you know, gravity being gravity, all of 1168 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,480 the stickers slip to the bottom of the pocket. 1169 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,880 So those parts get really, really chunky. 1170 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,800 And then the top's just like skinny mini. 1171 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,880 So the whole thing is like really not well distributed in 1172 00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,840 terms of sizing, but maybe I just need a more robust A4 1173 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,920 sleeve holder. That is definitely what I need 1174 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,760 because the one I have is one of those like El cheapo ones that 1175 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,800 like it does the job and it clasps together just fine. 1176 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,960 But given the number of stickers I have, it is it's struggling. 1177 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,440 It is under the struggle bus and got hit. 1178 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,400 It's under the bus. It'll be fine. 1179 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,720 I'll figure something out but right now it's not the greatest. 1180 00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:25,120 So instead I think I have, I know I have 4 smaller binders 1181 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,360 because they're all on the shelf there which are already full. 1182 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,640 I'm going to need to get maybe a couple more possibly. 1183 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,280 I would like them to all to match. 1184 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,560 Currently they do not all match. It does not make my heart happy 1185 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,200 when they don't match, but I need to find the right binder 1186 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,440 first and then once I've got the one that I like, I can get 1187 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,240 matching ones and then I can declutter the ones that don't 1188 00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:47,160 match. That is my current plan. 1189 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,440 We're getting this slowly, but it is a stressful process. 1190 00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,240 Stickers. You're absolutely right. 1191 00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,400 It's probably one of the more difficult things to figure out 1192 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,360 because of all the different ways you can do them. 1193 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,480 I'm in the same boat. I probably have four or five 1194 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,400 different size binders that fit different things in them. 1195 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,000 I have the ones that you have to take the sticker off of the 1196 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,640 sticky back and it's like a thing. 1197 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,600 I have one of those, whatever the hell that's called. 1198 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,640 I tried like a disk bound one, but exactly the same thing. 1199 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,080 They sell them and you're like, oh, 48 pockets. 1200 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,360 You're like, this is perfect. I mean, if it's so many 1201 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,520 stickers, but then you get like 20 in there and then suddenly, 1202 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,000 yeah, it's bulging. So I'm in the same boat with 1203 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,080 you. We have to ask the planner pals 1204 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,880 because I feel like there are especially Go Wild Planner pals, 1205 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,680 the sticker fans. I feel like they have the right 1206 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,200 solution here. Yeah, I do have one of those. 1207 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:38,720 What are they called? Like the sticker release paper 1208 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,480 books or whatever, the ones that have the kind of the slippy 1209 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480 backing paper, like they have effectively a book made of 1210 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,000 sticking backup paper. And you put the sticker on, you 1211 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,560 can transfer it from something into that book. 1212 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,640 And I have used that especially for some of those washy rolls 1213 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,880 that are washy stickers. And it's like I do not need a 1214 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,960 whole 6 meters of this. I just need like 2 repeats. 1215 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,000 So I took my 2 repeats off, put them into the, I don't know, the 1216 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,320 sticker exchange book. It feels like just a temporary 1217 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,440 holding space for the stickers. That's what they're sitting in 1218 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,760 at the so I was tempted to get a couple of those, but for my PET 1219 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,680 stickers, I don't want to sit there peeling the backs off of 1220 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,280 all of those stickers to transfer them into the book to 1221 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,200 maybe use them one day. It's just I mean, it's a good 1222 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,760 idea in theory, but you're absolutely right. 1223 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,320 It's like a total not great use of your time. 1224 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,080 Like unless you really were like sitting down tackling that and 1225 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,640 you're like popping on a movie or something as you're just like 1226 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,480 wrapping or cutting up and doing that. 1227 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,680 But otherwise, I feel you on that well platter, pals, let's 1228 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,360 ask you where your current stationary storage pain points 1229 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,960 are right now. Because as we always talk about, 1230 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,320 the solutions are in the comment section. 1231 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,800 Other people are here to help solve your problems. 1232 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,680 So let us know down below where your current pain point are. 1233 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,760 Whether you're watching this on YouTube, drop it in the 1234 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,720 comments. Of course, you can always hit us 1235 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:55,840 up on email.plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com 1236 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,480 or visit us over on Instagram at Planner Pals Podcast and let us 1237 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,440 know what those problem areas are. 1238 00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:04,320 I would love to hear about what you're struggling with, mainly 1239 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,320 because we just love to help. And also I know the planner pals 1240 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,960 out here, I want to help you as well. 1241 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,160 Please help me. My stickers need assistance. 1242 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,200 But in terms of our next episode, we're going to be 1243 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,960 having a further look at stationary supplies and in 1244 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,880 particular our biggest problem areas when it comes to 1245 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,080 collecting them. You know, thinking about the 1246 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,040 things we have in our stashes that maybe we have collected too 1247 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,000 many of emphasis on the maybe. All right, we're not saying it 1248 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,080 is a problem, but it might be like a genuine problem. 1249 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,360 I'm really interested to get into that with you, Mark. 1250 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,280 And as always, thanks for watching.