1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,200 Hello and welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,040 by two true planner pals. My name is Mark and I go by Mark 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,240 Your pages. And I'm Jess or Jessie, Karen 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,840 and in today's episode we're gonna be touching on stationary 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,600 that we just feel like it doesn't get enough love in the 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,200 community. We've noticed that not enough 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,480 people are talking about this, at least by our standards and in 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,240 general it's just kind of under hyped. 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,800 Before we get into that though, of course. 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,320 Thank you so much for the comments you left on last week's 11 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,600 or last two weeks episode. We always say last week's. 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,480 We do this every time I'm like, this isn't a weekly podcast yet. 13 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,119 Maybe we need to work on that? I don't know, I feel like 2 14 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,840 every two weeks for us is a lot of work with everything else we 15 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,400 have going on. I would love to get there. 16 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,760 But you know what? I get so excited for this time 17 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,400 of the year because like our times go back to like our normal 18 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,160 where like we can do this much earlier instead of much later. 19 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,560 So I do get excited. So who knows if we get it far 20 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,120 enough ahead, maybe some bonus episodes at the end of the year 21 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,800 or something. Yeah, we're already like, you 22 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,040 know, writing checks that the body can't cash or whatever they 23 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,520 say. I can't remember what the saying 24 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,040 is, but you guys know you get it. 25 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,120 Yeah, You know what's up? But it was really great to see a 26 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,080 lot of other ideas on how people are planning for those big 27 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,600 events and big things in their life. 28 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,080 And it's also great too, like we talked about, you know, things 29 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,960 like changing jobs and things like getting married, but 30 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:14,680 there's also just like general life events that happen as well 31 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,640 that for every individual person feels bigger than maybe some 32 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,800 other people do. So it was great to know that 33 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,760 people were able to utilize what we shared last time. 34 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:26,800 And then also there were some really cool ideas too in the 35 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,200 comments on like ways that people have either taken those 36 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,200 ideas and altered them a little bit for themselves or ones that 37 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,560 I've never heard of before as well. 38 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,840 So it's always very cool to see inside of the comments. 39 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,760 We definitely want your input in this episode too, because if 40 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,480 we're thinking about under hyped items, I want to know all of the 41 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,880 ones that you think need to get a shout out, all of the ones 42 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,080 that you want to sing the praises of. 43 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Make sure that you drop those in the comments, but what would be 44 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,000 your first unsung hero of the stationary world? 45 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,240 Yeah. So when we started thinking 46 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,040 about these ideas, I was like, well, what are some items that I 47 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,880 have that maybe other people don't or kind of iffy on? 48 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,320 And I wanted to let you know the Tom Studio Lumos pens are the 49 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,160 first thing. Now I say this because I know 50 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,360 that they did a butt load of advertising like over the past 51 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,720 few years. I mean, the reason that I have 52 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,520 as many as I do is because of the advertising that they've 53 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,040 done. But if you haven't seen the 54 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,120 Lumos pens, the really cool pens, I specifically love the 55 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Duo because it is basically two to three different pens all in 56 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,840 one. And what's really great, 57 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,480 especially about this one, it's one long pen, but it breaks down 58 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,080 into two smaller pens and it comes with like a cartridge of 59 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,440 like 12 different nib sizes. And what I love so much about 60 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,920 this pen and why I think everyone should at least have 61 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:42,920 one, not more, is because you can put the different sizes on 62 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:45,520 them. And what I love the most is that 63 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,480 they have kind of this reservoir piece that you fill up with 64 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,760 fountain pen ink. And this is like the biggest 65 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,000 reason that I think everyone should have one because I know a 66 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,840 lot of people are very nervous about fountain pen ink and 67 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,720 fountain pens as a whole. Jess, you have been one of those 68 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,280 in the past. Yep, very guilty of that. 69 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,760 So with this, what's really cool is you could just take the pen 70 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,240 and reservoir and you can dip it into any ink that you want. 71 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,440 So you can literally have a pen or a brush pen, a thick, a thin, 72 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,440 whatever you want with any type of ink. 73 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,040 Now it doesn't work well with shimmer inks or anything like 74 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,280 that because it has to still suck it up into the tip, but it 75 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,680 is a very easy access into fountain pen ink and fountain 76 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,120 pens ish because it's not like our normal fountain pen we're 77 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,280 filling up and we've talked about before. 78 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,280 What I also love is that there's really like a pen for anyone. 79 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,320 So while yes, I'm a big fan of the duo, you can buy like little 80 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,920 little mini ones that they have like they just came out with 81 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,840 this little. I call it the cricket because 82 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,680 it's like very small. You can actually put on a 83 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,080 lanyard if you want to, but it's like a field pen essentially, 84 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,640 it's very small. You kind of put it where you 85 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,920 want and then like they also have like other ones that look 86 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,280 totally different. Just have like a single type of 87 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,600 nib on them and like there's a lot of different things. 88 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,280 I mean, it's Tom Studio as a whole, but the Lumos 89 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,480 specifically because I always please keep them right here by 90 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,400 my desk. And what I've done essentially 91 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,480 is I fit them with like the most commonly used sizes. 92 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,520 So I have like a very, very thin line that I just keep in black. 93 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,680 And then I have like a really thick, like a one point, you 94 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,320 know, 0mm on the other side. So it's like very thin or very 95 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,480 small and they last a really long time. 96 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,760 I actually do not know the last time I filled this with ink. 97 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,520 So it really does hold on to a lot of it. 98 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,960 You're not doing it as often as you might do with a regular 99 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,240 fountain pen. And for that, I absolutely love 100 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,480 it. And I think that more people 101 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,840 should have them. And also Tom and like what he 102 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,520 does with his studio and his people are just awesome. 103 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Just as a brand as well. Yeah, I think that the kind of 104 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,160 sustainability aspect of a pen like that is also just really 105 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,120 cool. Because if we think about it in 106 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,280 terms of like your regular run-of-the-mill fine line or 107 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:53,480 whatnot, especially if you're a heavy-handed individual like me 108 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,080 and of your nice beautifully like rounded tips and a very, 109 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,960 like flat top mounted, and then, you know, have to hold the pen 110 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,360 at a very specific angle to get the kind of line you're looking 111 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,880 for. It's nice that the Lumos and 112 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,040 like the range has those kind of replaceable nibs. 113 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,360 Can you buy just the nib pack by itself? 114 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,880 Yeah, you can. So you can buy just the nib pack 115 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,920 by itself. You can buy reservoirs. 116 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,960 So like something else you can do is if you want to change the 117 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,240 color of your pen, but it's still not ready to be emptied. 118 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,960 They do also sell little canisters that you can put those 119 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,960 in to like air tight, save them and put it in a new color. 120 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,360 So really, you really can do whatever you want. 121 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,720 And and to your point, just one of the reasons I do like it too 122 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,080 is because I had the same thing when you have those fine liners 123 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,000 with like the what is it like point one or like point twos or 124 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,240 whatever, and you like press a little too hard when that 125 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,440 little, well, the little felt piece goes inside of the metal 126 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,600 nib, I just die inside. So that's never happened with 127 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,400 these pens for me, even though I'm using them. 128 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,120 But if for whatever reason it did, you absolutely can buy just 129 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,800 the refills of it and they sell them. 130 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,440 And also just like different sizes too. 131 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,680 So you don't have to buy like this big like carton of nibs 132 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,800 every time. You can say, oh, I really like 133 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,360 to use this size and they'll sell like three of them inside 134 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,760 of a little pack. I know that Erin of Erin Smith, 135 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,760 she did a challenge where she had kind of one month where she 136 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,760 was trying to do all of her pen writing with just this one pen. 137 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,960 And she's not like me. She's she's out there like 138 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,040 changing her ink colors using Blues and also black, but 139 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,520 purples and greens and yadda, yadda. 140 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,040 And I'm like, that would be quite a struggle for me if I was 141 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,960 changing that many types of ink. But then as you said, having 142 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,400 those different cartridges and being able to just swap them out 143 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,480 and such so you can use the same pen body but with different 144 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,840 colors is pretty cool. Obviously you have to get the 145 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,920 ink to come like through the tip or whatnot, but if you're going 146 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,320 for, you know, the one pin to roll them all, it's a pretty 147 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,520 good fit. It is. 148 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,600 And honestly, you don't have to change it out that much. 149 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,400 I really thought up front, I was going to be changing colors all 150 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,120 the time, but I think when you go through the process once or 151 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,480 twice, you're like, it's not that it's difficult, it's just 152 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,040 cumbersome because you do, you know, you get ink on your 153 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,480 fingers a little bit because you're dealing with ink and 154 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,280 moving things and the tips and the reservoirs and all of that. 155 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,640 And honestly, I really did think that the reservoirs are going to 156 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,840 run out of ink a lot faster than they have been. 157 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:09,240 Like I have one of my pens that I haven't changed in a year. 158 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,040 I've had it for probably over a year and I've Everly ever put 159 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,600 ink in it once. And that's wild to me because 160 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,960 it's like, whoa, this thing is really lasting and it's doing 161 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,320 really fantastic. And I just find myself grabbing 162 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,160 them whenever I need something real quick. 163 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,160 So I keep them here on my desk. So as much as you've seen about 164 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,320 Tom's studio, I'm sure in advertising it's I know, I think 165 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,160 they're just an underrated, you know, the Lumo specifically in 166 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,640 the duo because it can do so much for you. 167 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,400 And also it can be a fantastic gateway into fountain pen inks, 168 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,600 but still keeping it in that fine liner space for yourself. 169 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,400 How about you, Jess? What's one of your favs? 170 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,720 So most of my kind of like, you know, under hyped stationary 171 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,840 items and whatnot come from the fact that past Jess was a hater. 172 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,560 I mean, current Jess is also kind of a hater sometimes, but 173 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,080 in terms of these items in particular, it's because Jess 174 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,520 was a hater. She was sitting there like, 175 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,800 really, do we need this? Is this necessary? 176 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:01,560 Is this just consumerism talking? 177 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,360 But she's come around on it. And the first one definitely 178 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,480 would have to be dot markers. I was sitting there thinking 179 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,160 like, I can draw a circle. Like if it's that small, it 180 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,800 doesn't matter if it's a little bit kind of skew, if 181 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,120 caddywhompus, I can draw a circle. 182 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,600 I don't need to have a special pen that's just for making dots. 183 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,200 I was wrong. I use them so often. 184 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,520 Once I got the first set, I'm like, Nope, we need the entire 185 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,960 collection. I want them in every single 186 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,440 colorway. I'm going to use them all the 187 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,080 time and I definitely do. If you don't know what a dot 188 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,280 marker is, it's essentially funneling up a marker. 189 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,600 But the top is like a rounded kind of Dome shape. 190 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,559 So it means that then when you press it down onto the page, you 191 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,559 get a little circle. If you apply more pressure, you 192 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,360 get a bigger circle. If you apply less pressure, you 193 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,960 get a smaller circle. Which means it's not only nice 194 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,799 for functionality because I will use this a lot of time to like 195 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,000 put in the checklist or highlight something specific on 196 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,040 a checklist. I use this one in particular to 197 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,880 do like my daily highlight. Like this is the most important 198 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,680 thing to do today. Make sure that you focus on 199 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:55,520 this. It just helps that item stand 200 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,960 out on my checklist a little more. 201 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,880 But you can also use it for decoration In particular is like 202 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,280 space fillers is somebody who is like allergic to white space on 203 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,080 the page and just does not like the idea of there being big 204 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,080 blank sections on my layouts. The dot marks are really great 205 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,480 to just go and put in some little dots as if it's kind of 206 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,200 like stars and sparkles kind of a thing, maybe a couple 207 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,960 different colors or you can supplement with some other 208 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,880 little doodles and drawn items or whatnot. 209 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,400 It makes for a very easy but effective space filler that 210 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,520 takes barely anytime because you don't have to actually draw the 211 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,880 circles yourself, you're just pressing the pen to the page. 212 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,520 I've been in the same exact boat. 213 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,280 I probably have a lot of the collections because a lot of 214 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,920 people have them. It's interesting because the 215 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,440 first time I saw it was like a Japanese pen, you know, 216 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,160 stationary company had them. And then I started to see other 217 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,040 people carrying them and I was like, these look very similar. 218 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,080 Wait, are these even different? Because I don't know about 219 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,200 yours, but like mine have the dot on one side and then kind of 220 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,400 like a small brush pen or like a small like kind of tip on the 221 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,640 other side. But then every time I get them, 222 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,600 they all look exactly the same, but they're branded differently. 223 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,360 So I'm curious if there's probably probably as a company 224 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,120 out there like whitelisting that product. 225 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,040 So if you're a smaller brand or a bigger house or whatever, you 226 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,040 can just put your name on that pen and be like, Oh, the mark 227 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,480 your pages dot marker or, you know, whatever that might be. 228 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,040 But I've always been in that same boat too, where I bought 229 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,920 them, But I'm the opposite. I don't use them all the time 230 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,280 because it's just like I'm of your mentality of I can draw a 231 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,640 circle of my own. But the one thing I do actually 232 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,280 use them a lot for is like really big, like mono line 233 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,480 drawing, like lettering and and writing on a page. 234 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,280 So I use it a lot for like headers. 235 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,920 If I'm running out the month, I'll use it for kind of like 236 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,600 list or to do or like other things like that, because it 237 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,320 looks really cool. I was just telling you before we 238 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,120 got started, I just had my anniversary two weeks ago and I 239 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,760 wrote my wife's name on her card with one because I wanted 240 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,920 something like bold and colorful, but I didn't want to 241 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,160 have to pull out like the pens and the ink and all of that. 242 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,440 And it looked really nice. And I was like, oh, I forgot. 243 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,920 I do like to use this for other things and putting dots on 244 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,000 pages. So even if you're not into the 245 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,040 dotting of the thing like, you can just write with it like a 246 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,920 regular pen, but you get that bolder line, which I really 247 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,440 like. Yeah, and I think the nice part 248 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,680 about using the dot marker to right as opposed to like a brush 249 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:19,120 marker say is that because the Dome is kind of uniform 250 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,320 depending on which way you hold the pen, it's going to look like 251 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,560 the same every time. Whereas with a brush marker, 252 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:26,920 depending on how you kind of tilt the angle or apply pressure 253 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,160 or whatnot, the variation that you can get in the strokes is 254 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:32,440 much more varied compared to a dot marker. 255 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,360 Like a dot marker, if you're going to apply semi kind of 256 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,520 similar pressure the whole way through, you're going to get a 257 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,840 fairly consistent look in terms of that line work. 258 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,640 So if you're trying to go for a bold header, but you want all of 259 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,800 your strokes to be the same kind of size, it's really good for 260 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,160 that one thing. I will say that because of the 261 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,880 like way that the hens probably quote supposed to be used, it 262 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,600 can dump a little bit more ink down if you are trying to write 263 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,360 with it compared to just dotting with it. 264 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,840 And also in dotting with it, if you apply a lot of pressure, 265 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,280 it'll dump more ink down. It's kind of how it works. 266 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,960 So you do have to be sometimes a little wary as to where you're 267 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,600 putting those titles or how hard you are pressing to make sure 268 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,600 that you don't end up with any kind of blue through or ghosting 269 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,200 or anything like that. But it is still a fun way to use 270 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,200 them. I find that with your point 271 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,840 about the white labeling and such, I think it's kind of nice 272 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,200 in a way because the ones that I have, because they were the 273 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,480 first ones I saw, I got the what Kurataki Zig dot marker, 274 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,680 whatnot. Some of them have the end little 275 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:31,280 plastic nibs, some of them don't. 276 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,160 So this pastel one in particular, that collection 277 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,960 doesn't have the kind of fine liner on the other end. 278 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,000 But my other ones that are a bit brighter, they do, but they are 279 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,480 also a little bit pricey compared to some of the other 280 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,600 dot markers out there. You can get the, I think they're 281 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,160 called the colour dot ones. They sell them on journal say 282 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,160 those ones are a fairly nice budget friendly alternative. 283 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,160 They still work the same way, they're still going to get you 284 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,560 the same end product, but you're not breaking the bank on them. 285 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,720 Mild liner also has released theirs I think, or at least they 286 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,480 were releasing them, which I guess the nice part about those 287 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,640 ones is that the colours of those specifically match your 288 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,080 mild liner colours. So if you are a fan of mild 289 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,520 liners already, if you're already using their highlighter 290 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,000 range or whatnot, at least then you can have dot markers that 291 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,240 are going to be in the exact same colour as the markers 292 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,800 you're already using, which is kind of fun. 293 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,560 And I think they also added some shapes, right? 294 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:18,560 Cuz it go wild. I think we got our first peek at 295 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,280 some of those, which are kind of cool. 296 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,440 It's kind of here or there though, because I feel like a 297 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,920 lot of those shapes you do have to like get it down the right 298 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,960 way or else it doesn't quite look right. 299 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,160 Whereas like I like something uniform. 300 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,160 I personally would go for a stamp instead of using like a 301 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,520 dot marker like that or a shaped dot marker just because I know 302 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,040 of the uniform. I can't get a uniform dot with 303 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,000 the dot markers. I've tried it and then I've got 304 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,080 like one big fat one and then really like small and every time 305 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,960 I do it, it's like this. I have stamps that can do this a 306 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,320 lot faster. Also, the one thing I have a 307 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,640 problem with and you mentioned like you have like the pastel 308 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,200 colors, I feel like a lot of them are not, they're very 309 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,440 transparent, so they're not very opaque, which I guess is fine, 310 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,920 whatever. But I have a green one. 311 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,200 I can't even see it when I put it on the page. 312 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,400 I put it, I was like, maybe there's not ink in here and I 313 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,440 would kept pressing it and I had it got like real close and I was 314 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,760 like, Oh no, what's on there? I just can't see it. 315 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,440 And so like that's a big thing too. 316 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,720 It's not an off brand. I forget which brand it is. 317 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,240 I got it literally for like a dollar. 318 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,960 I think off of like a sail bin. Maybe that's why. 319 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,800 But I think it is important though to make sure that you 320 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,440 don't go all in. Maybe try a few colors 321 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,280 beforehand too in case you have have that issue just because 322 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,120 like you said I think a lot of them are more in that pastel 323 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,720 highlighter mildliner ish. I don't know what they call like 324 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,880 a pale highlighter maybe is a good definition for it. 325 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,800 It's not like a in your face one, but just making sure you 326 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,440 can actually see the color and it's doing what you want for you 327 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,200 before you like go all in. Yeah, that's the nice part about 328 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,200 the Zig range in particular, and that's why I have all of them, 329 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,920 is that they do have a decent range of saturations. 330 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,280 They've got their pastel set, it has like 6 colors. 331 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,720 They have their neon set which has like 5 colors or something 332 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,640 like that, but then they also have their stock staple like, 333 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,480 you know, standard set or whatnot, which has your red and 334 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,840 your pink and then your magenta and your different shades of 335 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,800 blue and your green. That's a lot more punchy than 336 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,440 the pastel green and such. I actually use those in my 5 337 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,560 year journal because I wanted to have color-coded months mainly 338 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,960 just other than there was some visual interest throughout the 339 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,960 notebook. But it means that then with the 340 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,280 fleet of pens I have, I could get 12 colors in a like really 341 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,480 nice gradient range. So I have my little rainbow 342 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,720 across the year. Do you need every single color? 343 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,440 Probably not, but I wouldn't be me if I didn't strive to achieve 344 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,920 every single color in my collection, and thus I do have 345 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,800 the full set. Yeah, that's very true for you, 346 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,280 Jess. I feel like you are the the 347 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:37,640 completionist. We've talked about that with 348 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:38,960 your Tombos and things like that. 349 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,640 The problem I have is that if I were to start to go down that 350 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,200 route, that I would have to remember to take that pen with 351 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,120 me like everywhere that I went. Otherwise, you know, if you're 352 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,120 out and about or you're at work or wherever it might be, you're 353 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,960 like, oh, I need to do, oh, wait, I don't have that. 354 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,240 And now it's not consistent. Then you end up like, I'll like 355 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,320 write, literally write a note to be like, go back and dot that 356 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,600 thing so it looks like everything else. 357 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,840 So sometimes why I don't like the theme things or like use a 358 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,720 lot of the same. I know the value of it. 359 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,680 I know the value of color coding and all those things. 360 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,480 But it's like if you forget to bring that color or that pen 361 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,480 with you, you're kind of a bit of a hard spot. 362 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,960 I am typically the type of person who collects all their 363 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,160 materials for the month and just keeps them all in my pencil 364 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,000 case. So right now, given the fact 365 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,240 that it's here, this one is the one I'm using for the month of 366 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,960 October because it is in fitting with my color palette. 367 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,960 All of the other ones are safely away. 368 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,040 They are not being used right now, but this one I am using. 369 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,880 In terms of your second item though, what else do you think 370 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,440 is underhived? Yeah, so I talk about Ugg bunk a 371 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,240 lot. Their analogue system, I think 372 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,680 is one of my favorite systems around. 373 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,240 That's not a bullet journal. So if you haven't seen it 374 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,360 before, there are these really cool cards. 375 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,000 They are a regular index card and they have different kind of 376 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,200 symbols on them. So there's essentially 3 377 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,640 different cards that they have. And this is what I love about 378 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,320 the system. You have a today card which 379 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,360 essentially is really focused on the task that you want to 380 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,680 complete for that date, has a space for the date of the week. 381 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,160 And then you have 10 dots that go down on that card which allow 382 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,480 you to write in different tasks that you want to accomplish for 383 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,480 that day. Really nice, love it. 384 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,960 Then after you have the Today, you have the next card. 385 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,000 And the way that this is supposed to work is that's the 386 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,720 tasks or the events or the things that you want to take 387 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,920 take on next after today. And then they have these really 388 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,160 cool craft colored papered ones that are someday. 389 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,040 And that's where you kind of put those future ideas or things 390 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,319 that you want to accomplish later on, similar to rapid 391 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,360 logging or a bullet journal or planning. 392 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:32,120 The idea is that as you move between each of those days, 393 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:34,520 you're then rewriting the tasks that didn't get complete or 394 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,560 moving them around. And I really like the idea. 395 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,800 What I don't love necessarily is that I'm so used to bullet 396 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,320 journaling and planning that there isn't technically a future 397 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,520 log or a place for notes necessarily. 398 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,960 The thing is, is that they've also come out with like an 399 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,440 extension of their analog system where they have like bigger size 400 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,560 cards and things like that. They have gridded cards. 401 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,840 If you don't want the lines you have blank. 402 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,680 You've got like they've really kind of gone above and beyond. 403 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Now, the reason that I think that they're underrated and a 404 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,080 lot of people maybe don't have it as one, you may not be aware 405 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,440 of them. You know, they're a small 406 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,040 stationary shop actually in Pennsylvania in the US. 407 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,160 What I love about them is their craftsmanship also. 408 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,360 So Jeff ones, the company's big into like product design and 409 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:20,120 craftsmanship. And so when you get the analog 410 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:23,600 system, you have a few different ways that you can go about it. 411 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,680 They have like solid wood pieces that hold your card upright and 412 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,920 then you store all of them in the back and archive them, which 413 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,080 is really nice. And then they also have like 414 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,120 these other versions. I have this really long one I'm 415 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,520 not going to pick up because it'll drop all my cards. 416 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,760 But this is like long stand essentially that you can mix and 417 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,680 match and so you can put the analog cards on your task in one 418 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,400 spot and then if you have notes for something else in the other. 419 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,680 It's just really nice. And I think that it's definitely 420 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,280 one of those things where you're like, I'm not into notebooks or 421 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,560 I'm not into planning, but I still like to keep a list. 422 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,200 This system that he's created, analog is the name of it. 423 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,840 I think it's it's perfect amazing. 424 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:04,000 Yeah. I think that having that kind of 425 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,920 what I'm going to call a heads up display, that's not really 426 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,040 what it is, but having it right there in front of your face is a 427 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,560 probably good system for actually remembering what your 428 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,200 top priorities for the day are. As somebody who typically when 429 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,800 they write a task list for a day, it's a lot longer than 10 430 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,360 things. I would be going through many, 431 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,600 many cards every day. So I don't know if it's 432 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,000 necessarily for me, but I do love the style of it. 433 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,560 I love the kind of minimalist aesthetic of it as well. 434 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,440 It's, it's very kind of like well crafted and feels very 435 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,440 intentional, like in terms of the design that they've done for 436 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,760 it and such. And I think that it is 437 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,320 definitely like, you know, fits a certain type of person or 438 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,640 whatnot. If you're out here writing a 439 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,440 laundry list of tasks, then maybe not. 440 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,800 Or if you wanted to use it in conjunction with your laundry 441 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,720 list, maybe that like you pick out your top ten and you write 442 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,760 those on the list for the day so that you make sure that you make 443 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,680 time for them. Having a top 10 for a day 444 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,080 though, that feels like a lot. Well, that's the thing about it. 445 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,440 I actually use it a lot for home stuff. 446 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,520 So I don't even have A at home bullet journal like I have my 447 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,840 work one. I do write home thing. 448 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,560 Things inside of there, but for stuff around like social media, 449 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,000 the podcast, reminding myself of things I am forever writing on 450 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,880 these cards and I actually don't do them on a daily because a lot 451 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,240 of the times I'm not approaching it that way. 452 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,720 And that's what I also love about this is like, yeah, I can 453 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,880 have a today card, but sometimes a today card will last me for a 454 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,600 week just because it's things that I don't have to necessarily 455 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,040 get to right away or an idea I write on a someday card. 456 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:33,040 But anytime I do give myself like a new today card, I do go 457 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,920 through and look at the tomorrow or the the someday. 458 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,400 So like to a certain extent, I don't use this system exactly 459 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,440 how it was planned, but it's there. 460 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,520 One of the cons I would say about it and what a lot of 461 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,880 people like have a moment to take aback is that it is a 462 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,440 little expensive. And a lot of people look at 463 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,640 these cards and they're like, I could do that on an index card 464 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,480 and you absolutely could. You would just have to write 465 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,200 today and like do the same things on your index card. 466 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,360 Someone had a message me and they said they called their foe 467 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,280 monk cards or their fake monk cards because they love the idea 468 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,280 of the system and how it works, but it's a little pricey for 469 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,440 like what they're looking for. And when you go into like a 470 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,760 solid wood holder with like, you know, actual metal, all things 471 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,960 falling out, you know, all of this made in the US, that 472 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,080 approach to things. It's you're buying a premium 473 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,560 brand and with Ugg Monk, Jeff is putting out premium quality. 474 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,960 Like this isn't just, you know, crappy little paper like this is 475 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,240 nice thick cardstock that you're running on. 476 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,280 Like it stands up by itself. It's not like, you know, slowly 477 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,000 peeling over by itself because it can't sustain it. 478 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,400 And just the craftsmanship and the artistry that goes into the 479 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,520 products I just love. And so it's just so cool. 480 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,440 I think to be able to like use it and talk about it when it 481 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,040 works really well for you. There's also a stand that's just 482 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,560 made out of metal. So like it's not as expensive. 483 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,240 It's like the nice like hard solid wood. 484 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,640 And so they've, I think, heard a lot of the feedback from the 485 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,520 community and saying like, I really like your product, man, 486 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,680 but like, I'm not paying $85 for a stand and then I have to pay, 487 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,720 you know, extra money for your cards that have to be used. 488 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,720 You know, it starts to add up. But I think that if you are into 489 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,760 that thing, the minimalist, that aesthetic and whatnot, you're 490 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,920 probably already used to paying a premium for the products that 491 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,000 you have around your house. So I think for that it makes it 492 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,320 really nice. Yeah, I think it's kind of 493 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,920 funny. It's like thinking about your 494 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,080 top 2 items versus mine. You got like, you know, your 495 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,800 fountain pen, you know, one all be all and all kind of a thing. 496 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,840 It's like, OK, well that's going to be a premium price because it 497 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,320 is going to be like a one time purchase. 498 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,040 And then your odd monk one, which is like an $85 stand, I'm 499 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,880 like, it has that pen. I think for myself, because I 500 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,840 think about that a lot as I've been investing in a lot actually 501 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,040 of Ugg Monk, like the gather system he has. 502 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,800 I use that for my, my monitor stands at my desk. 503 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,160 Like I love a lot of what he's doing. 504 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,760 And I think for me, it's one of those things where I know that I 505 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,560 will be buying that and I will not have to buy it again. 506 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,800 The problem is, is that he comes out with like new products all 507 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,080 the time of things. And I'm like, well, I already 508 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,040 have this, you know, hardwood stand, but I really like the 509 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,160 aesthetic of this other one that they've done. 510 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,880 Like, do I need both? Like, no, I don't. 511 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,360 But like I want to support him as a small business anyway and 512 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,720 to like, I like the variation and how I can set things up. 513 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,680 And I'm not throwing this away even though I'm not currently 514 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,200 using it because I'm using the other stand that I have now. 515 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,080 But there may be a time when I have a different desk setup or 516 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,240 I, you know, have to go back to work. 517 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,840 I hope I don't have to like be remote for the rest of my life. 518 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,880 But like, if I did, I would take this to work with me and have it 519 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,360 at my desk, right? So I think it's very much about 520 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,000 how you look at it. And like you said, I'm buying 521 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,480 this once and using it forever. Same thing with my Tom Studio 522 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,360 pen. Like I'll keep buying these 523 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,120 because I like the different designs but I'll never be 524 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:53,920 throwing it away. No, very fair. 525 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,960 And eventually my dot markers will run out. 526 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,040 They haven't run out yet. I've had them for many moons. 527 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,480 I have no idea. I've had them for a while, they 528 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,040 haven't run out yet, but I also am not using like the exact same 529 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,120 color every single day for like 20 dots. 530 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,400 So take that with a grain of salt or whatnot. 531 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,880 But I do think that there is something sensible about 532 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,040 investing in pieces that you know are going to last a long 533 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,600 time. They're in keeping with the kind 534 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,480 of like style of planning or organizing that you like. 535 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,920 And they're just quality. You know, it means that then 536 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,800 you're not kind of adding to the landfill and all of that type of 537 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,600 a deal. But I also can understand, and 538 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,720 the other side of that being like that is a lot of money to 539 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,960 spend on a stand. I liked your point about people 540 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,920 making a fake system. And I'm like, I would have 541 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,000 called it fug monk. Not that that's friendly, but 542 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,240 it's like fake Ugg monk. So it's fug monk, right? 543 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,280 Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, depend on the kind 544 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,360 of paper that you're using and if it's bleeding or not. 545 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,720 I could be real fugly. But I just cracked me up though, 546 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,640 because I was like, oh, I love that people still, they love the 547 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,880 brand so much. They're still keeping the bunk 548 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,480 in there. They're just calling it, you 549 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,840 know, fake monk or faux monk or whatever. 550 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,000 And it's just like, I just have to do this cheaper because my 551 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,440 budget doesn't allow it, you know. 552 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,240 And it's not like, you know, just me coming on trying to sue 553 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,680 people for utilizing the idea of his system, you know, but not 554 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,560 buying his product. Of course he would love you to 555 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,840 buy it, but he's also a sensible human being that understands 556 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,160 that it's not there. And that's why, you know, he 557 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,000 offers a lot of the templates or he offers, he can get like two 558 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,400 or three of the cards, like a stack of them for free from him, 559 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,720 right? Like there's different things 560 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,840 that they've done. But I think that when people try 561 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,760 it out and to your point, regardless of the brand, if 562 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,440 you're the type of person that really likes a certain brand and 563 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,960 it does last a long time, you're right investing in it. 564 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,960 You know, I know, you know, people probably think about like 565 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,960 or wallets or things like that, Like yes, I can go to the Kmart 566 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,760 and buy a wallet for myself that may last, you know, a year or 567 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,760 so. Or I'm going to invest in like 568 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,440 actual leather or a certain type of material and design that I 569 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,240 know. My wife, you know, has all of 570 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,160 her purses and she been using them for, I don't even know, 15 571 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,040 years, but they've lasted and they changed with the seasons 572 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,440 and things like that. I look at it the same way as 573 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,480 someone who's just buys a new, you know, purse or whatever like 574 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,160 every six weeks because whatever this one's done, I like 575 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,960 something else whatever versus I'm going to invest in this and 576 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,960 it makes sense. I feel some way about fountain 577 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,680 pens and other things like that too. 578 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,240 It's not that I have a absorbent amount of money that I just like 579 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,960 to throw around, but I think I've come to the time in my life 580 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,240 where I've also like matured in my planning, where I used to be 581 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,160 the guy that would buy 100 pens off a Timu because it's, you 582 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,880 know, 100 pens for $5. There is a reason 100 pens cost 583 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,320 $5.00 because I'm sure half of those probably aren't even going 584 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,440 to work, but at least I know that now I've got good products 585 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,960 that I really like. Yeah, and I think that in terms 586 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,360 of that, like investing in pieces that you know will last 587 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,840 or quality and all of that, there is usually an additional 588 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,400 sensibility in doing some trialing and testing before 589 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,920 that. So rather than going and buying 590 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,400 the full set of Tombos, don't pull a jest, just buy one. 591 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,280 See if you actually like that type of pin. 592 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,840 Do you enjoy riding with it? Do you enjoy using it? 593 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,400 That type of a deal Before you go and invest in the entire set, 594 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,600 instead of going out and buying your Ogg monk system, try a 595 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,160 Fugmug system where you just like, write on a little piece of 596 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,880 notepad paper and slip it into the keys on your keyboard or 597 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,600 something. Do I actually like this heads up 598 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,360 display? Do I think to actually pick it 599 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,360 up and use it? Or is it just an eyesore and I 600 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,840 want it immediately off my desk or whatnot? 601 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,760 But in coming to my second item. Yeah, I was just going to say 602 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,160 what's yours. We've been talking about my 603 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,760 stuff for a long time because I get all excited about my stuff. 604 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Yeah, this is another one that was, again, just born out of 605 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,960 just being a hater because for the longest time, you know, 606 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200 watching the plan with me is online, seeing the people 607 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,920 decorate planners on all of that. 608 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,920 They're getting out their sticker packs and they're 609 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,880 planning out where they're going to put things and they get their 610 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,440 sticker tweezers out. I'm like, do you not have 611 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,560 fingers? Can you not just peel it off 612 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,920 yourself? What are you doing? 613 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,880 Because again, Jess was a hater. She didn't understand. 614 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,160 These sticker tweezers are the only thing that I kept from my 615 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,000 sponsor table and my first go wild because I love them so 616 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,480 much. I know I agree with you, I have 617 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,600 mine from Archer and Olive because I was the same kind of 618 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,000 hater. Like sticker tweezers are 619 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,760 probably the most underrated tool I feel like at any planner 620 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,360 arsenal. Yeah, they're just, they're 621 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,440 actually great because in terms of, you know, peeling off a 622 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,720 sticker, putting it onto your planner or whatnot, if you don't 623 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,800 care that much about the placement, yeah, your fingers 624 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,200 are fine, it doesn't really matter. 625 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,320 But if you're a persnickety biscuit like I am and you get 626 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,520 really particular about like the exact alignment or how close it 627 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,960 is to all the elements on the page or the orientation like 628 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,960 whatever, these are great because they get your dirty 629 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,240 green sausages out of the way so that you can actually see where 630 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,000 you're putting things down, Which I again, when when I first 631 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000 got them, I'm just like, am I going to use these? 632 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,840 Like I'll test them out, I suppose. 633 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,640 And now they are like a staple. They come with me in my pencil 634 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,240 case. They're also particularly 635 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,200 aggressive. So you have to be careful then 636 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,240 reaching into your pencil case so that you don't get the 637 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,240 stabbing. But you can find them quite 638 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,800 cheap online. You can find like, you know, 639 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,800 very budget friendly options for these. 640 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,520 But I think that investing in a pair that you are a little nicer 641 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,440 that you genuinely like mine are from Alta New. 642 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,200 They're still not that expensive in the grand scheme of things. 643 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,760 And given the fact that this is a one time purchase, I don't 644 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,160 feel that sad had about paying what I well, I didn't for it. 645 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,760 I guess I paid for a ticket to go wild. 646 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:23,520 I paid $600. I mean when you breakdown what 647 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,840 you got from your table and that's the only thing you kept. 648 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,640 I mean, a little pricey, but I know it should be. 649 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640 I mean, that's fine because I have used them pretty much on 650 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,120 like at least a weekly basis for the last 2 1/2 years and that is 651 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,920 fine. This is actually just, again, 652 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,960 Jess was a hater. She didn't think she was going 653 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,000 to use them. She's like fine. 654 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,440 Like it's probably good to have one of these in my collection, I 655 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,680 suppose. And now it's a staple item for 656 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,200 me. And it's literally just for 657 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,920 being able to get the orientation and get things 658 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,720 placed in a way that doesn't require me to like put it down 659 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,600 tentatively and then check and then peel it up because it's 660 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,960 awful and then rip your page and then ruin your sticker and 661 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,920 yadda, yadda. So it's probably saved me in 662 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,560 terms of like notebook pages and stickers as well. 663 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,800 And I think that that makes it even more valuable. 664 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,480 No, 100%. I mean, you were talking about 665 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,880 like the sharpness of it, like I, I will search my whole life 666 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,600 for this little tiny cover that's on the top of mine 667 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,880 because if I don't have it, I have grabbed it before it just 668 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,240 right through your fingertips for me. 669 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,480 I also like it if you like to use little stickers. 670 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880 So like I have a lot of like little icon stickers that I like 671 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,080 to use sometimes and like my big fingertips, you know, the 672 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,880 sometimes the stickers are smaller than my fingertip and 673 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,640 it's like, well, if I can't hold it, get it on there, I'm like, 674 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,320 oh, Mark, you have these tweezers that are literally made 675 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,560 for this. Like let's do it. 676 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,640 I also I'm really helpful too and I know there's another tool 677 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,560 for this people have like the crickets or the silhouettes. 678 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,280 The Is it called a weedler A. Weeder, yeah. 679 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,600 A weeder, A weeder like that sometimes reminds me of like 680 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,040 this, because when I can't get a sticker off of a paper, I will 681 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,440 actually grab for this because the the tip of it is so thin and 682 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,840 sharp that I can usually like get it like right underneath of 683 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,080 there to be able to pull it off. There's times when I have like 684 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,800 flake stickers, especially that I can't get the backing off of 685 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,040 it and I'm sitting and I don't have fingernails because I bite 686 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,760 them all off, but like I'm sitting there and I was like, Oh 687 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,840 my gosh. So if you ever like watch a plan 688 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,280 with me video and I take a sticker off the the screen, I'm 689 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,120 probably using this to get the backing off of it so I can get 690 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,520 it on there because I can't do it like actually on camera 691 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,040 because I just can't get them off. 692 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,240 So I see them as multi purpose now. 693 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,800 Now it's like sticker backing off taker offer as well as 694 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,200 sticker putting downer. I mean, if you want to get like 695 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,640 totally TMI with it, given the sharpness, it also makes for a 696 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,960 really great toothpick. Like, I know that that is 697 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,040 definitely not the intended use, but technically it works for 698 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,120 that. I mean, if you need to, I 699 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,200 usually grab like a piece of cardstock or something. 700 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,080 If I need to like get something out of there, I'll get nervous. 701 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,120 I've thought about it with like exacto blades before where I'm 702 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,440 like, or you have like a hangnail or something and you're 703 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,400 like, I mean, I could cut that off with this exacto blade I 704 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800 have here. But the smart part of my brain 705 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,840 is like, you will slip, you will cut yourself. 706 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,440 It'll be a lot worse. Just grab some tweezers or grab 707 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,200 like a fingernail Clipper or something. 708 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,160 Let's be smart about this now. We don't need to cause more 709 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,840 harm. And no, I have definitely used 710 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,400 exacto blades for things that I should not be using exacto 711 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,320 blades for, so I completely understand. 712 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,400 Yeah, it gets a little little crazy there, but it's one of 713 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,200 those things where I feel like we all have certain things that 714 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440 probably we could come up with a giant list of like other things 715 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,800 that we love in our studio. And maybe that could be for a 716 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,920 future episode where we talk more about our favorite products 717 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,000 and all people love those types of videos. 718 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,560 But these today were just ones that we felt were 719 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,120 underappreciated, and hopefully you can appreciate them even 720 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,960 more. I very much agree and I would 721 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,360 love to hear from you planner pals. 722 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,760 What is a piece of stationary or maybe a stationary brand that 723 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,120 you think is under hyped? You think that more people 724 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,040 deserve to know about it? More people should be singing 725 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,920 the praises of that item. Let us know in the comments or 726 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,920 you can e-mail us at plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or 727 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,120 hit us up on Instagram at Planner Pals Podcast. 728 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,280 I'm hoping that in the future, along with underrated, we need 729 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,000 to do a video of like overrated. I think that would be a really 730 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,640 popular topic. Like what are the overrated 731 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,040 ones? So if you want to hear an 732 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,320 overrated topic, let Jess and I know and maybe we can scoot one 733 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,440 of those in there. Until next time, friends. 734 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,120 Thanks for watching and thanks for listening. 735 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,160 We'll talk to you next time.