1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted by two 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,840 true planner pals. I'm Jess or Jessie Curran. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,920 And my name is Mark, and I go by Mark your pages and welcome back 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,360 to another fantastic episode of the Planner Pals podcast. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,480 Today, we're already starting to talk about next year. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,720 It's crazy that we're going to be talking about this topic 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,520 today. But Jess and I, we're not 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,320 choosing just yet because I don't think either of us are 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,040 mentally prepared to try to make any of those decisions. 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,640 But I thought today would be a really great time for us to 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,440 start to think about it and getting you think thinking about 12 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,759 it, Planner pals as well as we get into it. 13 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,200 And So what we're going to do today, I think we did this last 14 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,080 year too. I should have looked back before 15 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,120 the episode, but just has this really great acronym, which is 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:45,080 called want, which stands for wins, aversions, needs and 17 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,960 things to try. And we're going to be covering 18 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,400 that today as we go through. And just looking back on what 19 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,240 has happened this year as well as what we're looking forward to 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,000 for 2026. Holy crap. 21 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,600 I know right? It feels like unnaturally early 22 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,840 to be thinking about this. But then I have to remember 23 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,040 like, like the Hobonichi peeps already have their orders on the 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,239 way. I'm pretty sure planners have 25 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,400 been released. It's just that those of us who 26 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,000 are using a blank notebook or a dock red one or whatnot, we have 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,440 a little bit more time, a little bit more laid up before we have 28 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,200 to make some kind of like very hard formal decisions about 29 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,120 things. But given that we are getting 30 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,200 into new setup season, this is usually the time that I start 31 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,040 thinking about those kind of things, which it still feels a 32 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,240 little too early because so much can change in the next 2 1/2 33 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:27,640 months. Like at the time we're filming 34 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,560 this 2 1/2 months, but in terms of want, it is something that I 35 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,720 like to use before pretty much anything that I do journal 36 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,640 related. So if it's a weekly set up, a 37 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,440 monthly set up, a new plan, a line up like we're going to talk 38 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,600 about today, as Mark told you, it is wins, aversions, needs and 39 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,560 things to try. So if we're thinking about the 40 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,240 wins, this is very much what's working, what are we loving, 41 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,440 what's going really well, Things that you find are very easy to 42 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,720 keep up with. They're fulfilling the purpose 43 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,840 that you gave for them in your journal or notebook or lineup or 44 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,520 whatnot. When it comes to aversions, this 45 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,160 is the opposite. The stuff that kind of sucks. 46 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,760 It just isn't really doing what you need it to. 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,280 Maybe you had really good intentions putting that into 48 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,120 your journal, into your lineup, and it's just not really 49 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,600 fulfilling the purpose you gave for it. 50 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:14,400 Or it could be something that, you know, you were kind of 51 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,600 tended to about to start with and now it's like 100% confirmed 52 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,040 that you do not like it, you do not use it, and you do not want 53 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,160 it anymore. By thinking about those kind of 54 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,160 things, we can make more intentional choices moving 55 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,600 forward. The next section though, needs, 56 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,840 this is very much about kind of like future casting. 57 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,560 Do we kind of predict or like looking into the future? 58 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,960 What is the future you're going to need from your lineup? 59 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,600 Is it a new kind of life area that might pop up? 60 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,440 Is it something that you need in terms of the materials or the 61 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,720 supplies? It could be adding an additional 62 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,400 planner to your lineup if you wanted to. 63 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,080 And that can also kind of come into the Tri section. 64 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,720 This is where we get to, at least for me, get quite 65 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,000 enthusiastic about the idea of newness because I love new shiny 66 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,120 things, whether that be a new style of planning you're trying, 67 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,880 a new type of journal you're trying. 68 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,840 Maybe you want to go to a pre printed kind of structure when 69 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,680 you've been doing bullet journaling or something like 70 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,040 that. Maybe you've been in a 71 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,760 preprinted structure and you want to have some more 72 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,800 flexibility and you want to go with a bullet journal. 73 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,440 So anything that you've seen online or been using with that 74 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,720 you might want to lean into a little more next time. 75 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,840 So we're going to go through each of these sections. 76 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,160 We're going to start at the start, a very good place to 77 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,360 start. So Mark, from your current 78 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,320 system, what are your wins from this year? 79 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,360 Absolutely. So I've been thinking about this 80 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,000 for the past few days as we go and think through like what's 81 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,680 been good? And I actually went ahead and 82 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,360 just flipped through my journal and I was like, OK, what is is 83 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,200 working? What is not working this year? 84 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,480 And I think what's really working well for me right now is 85 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,800 that I feel really good about the general structure of my 86 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,760 pages. My weekly spreads are doing 87 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,760 exactly what they need to do. I have a section that has the 88 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,200 overview for the entire week. That way I'm popping in any type 89 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,360 of like high level meetings, appointments, things like that, 90 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,920 that have to be done on certain days. 91 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,120 And then really leaving a lot of space for just notes and tasks 92 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,160 and things that are going on. This has been kind of my go to 93 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,840 spread for a long time. I think for a while I was trying 94 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,920 to move away from it because I wanted something different, but 95 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,720 then I would always just come right back to it because it's 96 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,800 what works for me. I've definitely love using, you 97 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,080 know, stationary inside of here. The stamps has been a really big 98 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,240 thing for me this year. I've been using a lot more of, 99 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,680 you know, trying to include like more color. 100 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,000 But honestly, why do I need to force that, right? 101 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,120 If it happens, it happens and that's about it. 102 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,760 But I just love that the structure gives me the space 103 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,240 that I need to do that and I can adjust it how I want, but it's 104 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,560 always an easy spread to go to something that I can set up 105 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:34,040 really, really quickly. Yeah, I think that, you know, we 106 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,480 talked a little bit ago about like plan a piece versus plan a 107 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,280 chaos. When you find a layout that does 108 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:39,960 work for you. But you're the type of a person 109 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,000 who just enjoys newness, enjoys novelty, trying new things and 110 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,160 such. But you still find yourself 111 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,800 coming back time and time again to this like kind of base 112 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,880 structure that just works. Like if you need something that 113 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,760 works, that's your go to. It is very nice to have found 114 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,000 that. I found something kind of 115 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,600 similar for my weekly structures and in the month ahead, I'm 116 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,560 thinking about how I can maybe do a couple of tests or trial 117 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,560 runs of something a little different before we get into the 118 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,400 new year. The last couple months of the 119 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,960 year always good for testing and trying things before you commit 120 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,760 long term. So if you can find somebody 121 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,800 who's got, you know, if you're amusing with a Hobonichi, I 122 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,960 don't know why we always go with Hobonichi with like throwing 123 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,240 them under the bus. I'm sorry, Hobonichi fandom, 124 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,080 please do not come for us. But if you're thinking like, oh, 125 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,920 maybe I want a Hobonichi for next year, I'm sure you could 126 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,000 probably find somebody who's selling like a 2025 Hobonichi 127 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,600 that you can use the last two months of just to test it out 128 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,840 before you go. And yeah, that's going to be my 129 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:32,960 new system. Let's be honest, there's 130 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,840 probably people that have more than 1/2 of a Hobonichi because 131 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,880 they really thought that they wanted to use it and got in. 132 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,960 A friend of mine I work with was like that this year. 133 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,440 She only made it like 2 months and she's like, I couldn't use 134 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,960 it anymore. Like it just wasn't for me. 135 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,800 But I feel like every planner person in the world is talking 136 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,440 about using these planners and I got it and I really don't like 137 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,600 it. So I agree with you. 138 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,880 It's a really smart thing just to be like, yeah, I don't know 139 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,480 if it's going to work or not. Can I get a used one, like a 140 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,240 pretty well used one because, well, yeah, not everyone is 141 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,440 using it all the way. And I mean, that's kind of the 142 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,600 thing I've been thinking about too. 143 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,240 I don't want to get too far ahead, but like the wins this 144 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,040 year for me too, along with finding spreads that I like too. 145 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,760 I was using AB five this year in and it's a win from a standpoint 146 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,800 that it works, but it's also something that where I'm like, 147 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,200 but is it too much space? I mean, it's the constant battle 148 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,880 that we go through right as we move up and down the size scale. 149 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,160 It's like a 5 is too small. I really love square notebooks. 150 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,000 I know that I really love square notebooks. 151 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,120 And sometimes I'm like, well, let's try to switch it up and go 152 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,000 B5. And I'm like, OK, this worked 153 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,000 really well for me this week. Or the hard thing I have is when 154 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,720 it goes to like 2 pages, like a, a full open spread where it's 155 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,720 like, I didn't need all of that second page, but I needed a 156 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,680 space for notes. And so it's like one side of my 157 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,120 page has like everything in it that I need all my notes. 158 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,520 And then I use like, maybe like, you know, a few inches of the 159 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,120 other side. I'm like, that's such a waste. 160 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Like what else could I do with this? 161 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,240 And I'm like, would this have looked different inside of an A5 162 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,360 or even a square and maybe worked a bit better? 163 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,400 But like I said, I know that I like the bigger notebooks 164 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,240 because I do tend to write a lot. 165 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,640 So that is definitely a win from a standpoint of like having the 166 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,920 space. The problem is, is also now that 167 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,160 I'm looking at mine, like I know that I'll definitely get 168 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,400 through. I don't think I'll use all of 169 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,400 the notebook, but it's just one of those things. 170 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,960 Whereas like it had plenty of pages to last me the entire 171 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,880 year. And I think I'm OK with there 172 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,720 being a lot of pages leftover because I personally feel like 173 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,080 I'm ready for something different. 174 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,200 Yeah, I can kind of imagine you either just like trying to go 175 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:36,080 and find like AB 2.5, what 5.25 because Yep, B2 that would be 176 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,120 massive. No way that'd be tiny. 177 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,960 No way, it'd be huge. Really big. 178 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,520 Why do they do this? Why do they make it so? 179 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Like anyhow B6 small B5 bigger, B2 massive right? 180 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,560 You need to B 5.25. Yeah, I think that would be like 181 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,760 the perfect, but it's a square essentially, right? 182 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,680 Like that's a square notebook at the end of the day. 183 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,880 It's like the height of an A5, the width of AB5. 184 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,120 I just need to stick with it. But I have far too many 185 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,120 notebooks to say like I'm only using square notebooks moving 186 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,520 forward. No, I completely understand that 187 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,760 because what I found has worked really well for me currently has 188 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,640 been a basic size. I love the compactness of it. 189 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,360 I think that it's just super, super cute. 190 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,000 And it also means that I can fit three months and they're really 191 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,640 comfortably because something I've found has worked really 192 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,880 well for me has been quarterly planning rather than doing like 193 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,720 a journal per half year or a journal for the full year is 194 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,320 just having a notebook for a three month period of time. 195 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,320 And that also leans in really nicely to other things that I'm 196 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,720 doing, like my goal planning system and making sure that 197 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,880 that's on a kind of three month or 90 day cycle. 198 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,320 So I've really enjoyed that. But I also understand that I am 199 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,120 the person who likes newness and I like to use a square or use an 200 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,560 A5 or whatnot. But are those notebooks going to 201 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:49,680 be too big to do quarterly planning in? 202 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,880 I'm not sure. Yeah, it's going to be hard to 203 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,880 see. Well, let's go ahead and move 204 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,560 into our next section, which is a version. 205 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:59,920 So like we said, the winds are all about what's working well, 206 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:01,480 versions are things that are not. 207 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,920 I know I touched on a little bit there just, but let's go ahead 208 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,120 and have you start this time, whatever versions do you have 209 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,560 that you're trying to stick away from as you think about next 210 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:11,040 year's planning? The versions were mainly 211 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,160 thinking about journals in my lineup that just aren't getting 212 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,120 enough use to warrant really being there anymore. 213 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,880 One of those, sadly, has been my yearly collections journal. 214 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,200 So essentially in my lineup for the start of this year and for 215 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,920 previous years, I've had my everyday journal, which is the 216 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,680 daily touch. That's where the daily tasks 217 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,720 happen or that kind of thing. We have the yearly collections 218 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,760 journal though, which is where I'd put those kind of year long 219 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,800 trackers or logs or stuff, things that I wanted to keep 220 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,520 track of over the entire of a year, but I didn't want to have 221 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,880 to migrate from one notebook to another come the midpoint of the 222 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,720 year or nowadays like you know, the end of 1/4. 223 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,240 I just haven't been getting in to use that. 224 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,840 And the only thing I have been using in that I don't think I 225 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,280 want to keep in a notebook anymore. 226 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,640 That's mainly my analytics tracking. 227 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,560 It's just way easier to do analytics tracking on a computer 228 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:03,400 because one, the analytics are on the computer, and two, the 229 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:04,760 computer can do all the math for you. 230 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,200 So rather than going and having to write out a bunch of 231 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,680 different numbers and go and do all like the adding and 232 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:13,120 subtracting and whatever else to find the differences, I'd much 233 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,520 rather just put that in a digital system and have that 234 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,920 spit the numbers out automatically rather than me 235 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,200 having to go and do it myself. I've also found that my long 236 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,000 term collections journal, which was one that kind of like the 237 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,640 yearly collections, it was for a longer period of time, but this 238 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,800 was like beyond the year. This was kind of like for 239 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,720 reference materials and stuff like that. 240 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,760 Despite moving into a new long term collections journal at the 241 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,120 very end of 2024, I barely touched it in 2025. 242 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,080 I've actually already like disassembled it, established it, 243 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:48,000 cut it up, like throwing pages away because I would rather just 244 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,240 keep that stuff digitally. I'd rather have it in my second 245 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,920 brain. So essentially it's like taking 246 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:57,320 my what was quite a large journal lineup and just slowly 247 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,360 pruning it down and whittling it down to something a little bit 248 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,360 more simplistic, hopefully. I love this year, your evolution 249 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,600 of even just this year, I feel like you have moved to a much 250 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,200 more like digitally sound safe kind of space. 251 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,800 It's like you have your analog planning and you love it for 252 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,760 what it is. But this year, I know we've 253 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,000 talked about it in previous episodes, you and I have talked 254 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,720 about it on the side too. It's like utilizing the right 255 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,320 tool for the thing you're trying to do. 256 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,720 And, and I'm very much with you where I have, you know, I'm 257 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,240 trying to do social media planning in my notebook and I, I 258 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,000 don't do anything crazy with a lot of the analytics. 259 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,120 It's mostly like wanting to see an upwards moving chart most of 260 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,120 the time for whatever that is for followers or subscribers and 261 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,920 whatnot. But I'm right there with you. 262 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,040 I feel like it's so much easier to be able to look back. 263 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:46,000 I can go into YouTube analytics and just look at a graph if I 264 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,520 really want to, right? And I can go right along that 265 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,480 line. It is nice to write it down, but 266 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,160 it's like, do I need to dedicate a page for that necessarily, 267 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,040 especially if I'm getting to now and I haven't really used it in 268 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,880 the past few months or kept up with it because I'm just going 269 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,920 on there to kind of look. But also, I know a lot of 270 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,240 planning you talked about this year you've been doing 271 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,840 especially for like videos and content and things like that. 272 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,040 I don't see it as a bad thing throwing that out there. 273 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,120 Like I just see it as like that maturity that that growth of as 274 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,560 an individual as you move into like different phases of your 275 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,640 life where you figure that you might need some different tools. 276 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,160 I think in my brain right now I'm kind of going the same way 277 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,840 and I'll talk about that in my tries because I do think I want 278 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,400 to try something different this year. 279 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,840 But just wanted to throw that out there that it's very 280 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,240 interesting for me to watch and like hear you kind of go through 281 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,320 this too, just because you have been that multi stack planner 282 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,440 for all of these years. It's kind of interesting and 283 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,880 cool to see like what that morphs into if you don't use it 284 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,480 next year. Like will you miss it, do you 285 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,760 think? Or do you feel like you'll have 286 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,280 it somewhere else where it's like, yeah, it just works better 287 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,560 there? I think that it's, it's tricky 288 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:50,240 because I do love the yearly collections journal for 289 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,640 essentially a snapshot of me throughout, throughout the 290 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,200 years. And kind of, you know, what was 291 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,040 important to you? You've got your 52 and 52 or 292 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,600 your 101 things list, you've got your, you know, 25 things to do 293 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,440 25 times in 2025. And I love those kind of 294 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,280 layouts. But I've just been finding that 295 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,400 this year in particular, I have not been compelled to check back 296 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,200 in with them. So in that case, what is the 297 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,480 kind of purpose of putting in the effort to set up the 298 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,080 layouts? Like are we just doing it for a 299 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,680 video? Are we performative journaling 300 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:18,720 type of thing? I don't ever want my system to 301 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,960 become performative. So I think it's been kind of 302 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,880 nice to take a step back and go through like, what is actually 303 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,200 working here? What are you using actively? 304 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,440 What are you finding is fulfilling in the ways that you 305 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,880 want it to be? And what can we let go of? 306 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,520 And it seems that at this stage, the yearly collections journal 307 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,200 is going to be 1 to let go of that. 308 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,760 It does not mean that I'm going to either, one, throw the 309 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,280 notebook away because I'm not like that, not built like that. 310 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,440 Or two, don't give myself full permission to come back to it if 311 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,600 I want to. I think it's really nice. 312 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,800 And if you've been journaling for a while or planning for a 313 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,480 while, even if it's not as extreme as like I scrapped my 314 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,360 entire line up and I'm going from like a 15 stack notebook to 315 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,520 like one, no, we're not doing that. 316 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,200 But just looking back through what was kind of working for you 317 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,760 when you first started versus in the middle versus where you're 318 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,240 at currently, even if your changes aren't quite as 319 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,280 dramatic, you can see them. And I think that's really cool 320 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,480 to be able to look back on and reflect about like, hey, at this 321 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,920 time in my life, this is what was working, this is what was 322 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,840 needed. So there was a time in my life 323 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,720 we're having 10 and also notebooks in my lineup was 324 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,480 necessary. Whereas now I'm probably leaning 325 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,280 more towards like, I mean it's still probably kind of a lot for 326 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,920 some people, but maybe like 6 notebooks I haven't counted. 327 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Yes, I took a look back on mine. I really have been spending a 328 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,640 lot more time thinking about it because I think I am ready for a 329 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,840 change. So like the aversions and this 330 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,760 is probably one of the biggest things this year that's really 331 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,400 kind of been getting on my nerves and the Arch and all of 332 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,160 notebooks is that as I've been running with my fountain pens, 333 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,840 the paper it's is bleeding through now. 334 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,200 Like it's not just like ghosting, like the ink is really 335 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,480 bleeding through and I don't know what it is. 336 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,760 And I know we talked about I know Arch and Olive has like 337 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,080 denied that the paper has changed, but like for the past 338 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,640 several years that I've been using fountain pens and ink 339 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,520 inside of my notebooks, I've never ever had a problem. 340 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,880 But this notebook that I'm using this year, it's like almost 341 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,800 every single page and I'm kind of trying to ignore it. 342 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,240 You know, I'm just like, OK, Mark, well, you're using ink. 343 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,680 So like that's going to happen and I'm staying away from a lot 344 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,600 of like the more dangerous inks that I know that I have that do 345 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,360 that. Like I have some notorious inks 346 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,040 that just can't be used in notebooks. 347 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,000 I get that it's like you don't use a Sharpie marker inside of a 348 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,360 notebook. It's going to bleed no matter 349 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,080 what, but it's just I don't know, something about it right 350 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,040 now is just really irking me. I don't know if I just need to 351 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,080 like not write with as thick of pens like the mediums and the 352 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,520 stub nibs and just go with like fine and extra fine. 353 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,360 That's great and all, but like I want a little diversity in what 354 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,240 I'm running with. I don't want to have to worry 355 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,880 about it as much. So like the bleed through is 356 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,920 just something, and I've talked about that for years. 357 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,640 It's always been something that's bothered me. 358 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,400 And also I think just like finding the right spread. 359 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,440 I mean, I know I just talked about like finding that perfect 360 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,880 kind of layout. I know what I wanted to do and 361 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,440 it does it. It's not really a version from a 362 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,960 standpoint. It's like almost like I, I don't 363 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,240 feel that I have to experiment as much anymore, almost to the 364 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,560 point you just made where I feel like if I'm doing that, it's 365 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,880 almost more performative. I'm doing it because I want 366 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,200 something crazy or kooky to like post online and say that I did 367 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,560 that versus just finding a spread in something that just 368 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,840 works for me. And as I've kind of come into 369 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,800 liking the way that this looks and here I am now thinking about 370 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,960 going a completely different way, of course, because that's 371 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,520 what I like to do, poke my brain every now and I get into like, 372 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,880 Nope, don't get comfortable, my friend. 373 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,880 We're switching the sucka up. I just want to like find 374 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,360 something that works. But I really do think I'm kind 375 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,960 of getting to this point where like I used to always just look 376 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,480 at like how many notes and tasks it was writing in a day. 377 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,920 And I think I'm kind of moving in this way right now just in my 378 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,560 career where I have specific collection pages for those 379 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,920 things. Or honestly, this year a lot of 380 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,960 stuff has lived on Microsoft Loop or kind of like a Notion 381 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,960 type that we've moved to using those tools and technologies 382 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,360 more. And therefore, I'm not writing 383 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,079 as much of that in my notebook because it's all there and I 384 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:09,200 look at it every day. So I'm kind of in this mode 385 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,119 where like, do I just move into like an actual like rapid 386 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,200 logging, daily logging versus having each section as I've had 387 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,839 in the past, like this is Monday, here's the space for 388 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,760 Monday notes and tasks. Here's Tuesday and just leaving 389 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,599 it open and just running the dates and kind of going from 390 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:26,520 there. So that's kind of like my 391 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,200 versions of it gone through this year and look through it is 392 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,080 like, I just don't know that I love that because I do feel that 393 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,880 it's a bit wasteful, especially if I'm not using the pages. 394 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,760 Honestly, I have some spreads where like I wasn't using as 395 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,840 much of the pages I wanted to and I was just kind of thinking 396 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,520 like, am I overdoing it now? Like I'm kind of on the other 397 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,320 side of the hill where, you know, was it two or three years 398 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,160 ago? I think I went through maybe 3A5 399 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,600 notebooks in one year. Like that's how much I was 400 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,160 writing and going through. So I was like, OK, Mark, let's 401 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,880 go towards the square and the B fives because it gives you more 402 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,720 space. And now I feel like I'm on the 403 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,120 other side of that now where like at this moment in time, so 404 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:05,480 much of that writing is happening digitally. 405 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,520 I'm only really running down notes and tasks for myself now 406 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,360 to remind me what I need to do versus those lot of broader 407 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:13,200 notes that I used to do for my full team. 408 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,880 So that's kind of where I'm inversion wise is like finding 409 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,520 the right paper. Now that does work with the 410 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,680 fountain pens because doing I just got a whole other stack. 411 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,720 I don't know if you can see it over here, but I have two more 412 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,640 rows like they're not going anywhere. 413 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,240 I just want to write with them more. 414 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,680 So can I find something that's going to be able to handle that 415 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,560 better? Maybe it's an older notebook. 416 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,160 Maybe it is an older Archer and Olive this year, because I know 417 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,440 that paper has just been better. Like what's up with the new 418 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,600 stuff? So that's kind of where I am. 419 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,400 No, that's very fair. I think that you touched on a 420 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,560 lot of good areas for thinking about aversions as well. 421 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Like we can think about it in terms of the structures, we can 422 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,480 think about it in terms of the layouts, we can think about it 423 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,400 in terms of the materials. Or like the kind of practice 424 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,720 around the use of your journal, for instance. 425 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,680 If you find that there's like a tracker that you love the 426 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,120 structure of, you love the look of it, you love the material you 427 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:01,520 used, but you're not getting in and actually filling it in, then 428 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,520 that's an aversion point. That's something that's not 429 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,520 working. How can it be adjusted so that 430 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,640 you do actually use it? I do feel like with the paper, 431 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,920 in particular with the Ultra Olive, I completely understand 432 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,880 where you're coming from there. I've been finding that since 433 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,440 like 2023. I want to say like the 2023 sub 434 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,560 box or something like that. Maybe it was 2024, Jennifer, but 435 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,760 there was a box and, and I do recall that my pen got a whole 436 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,040 lot slippier and the dry time certainly increased. 437 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,240 And I, I was thinking that that would be quite good for a 438 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,760 fountain pen because people seem to like that kind of slippy 439 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,080 paper for their fountain pens. But you're finding now that it's 440 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,280 bleeding. We don't want that. 441 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,400 Or at least, you know, some people do. 442 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,600 We are not those people not built like that. 443 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,920 It's just something that's just happening more and more and more 444 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,000 and I just, it's just really bothering me. 445 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,760 And it's just something because that was the whole reason I 446 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,600 moved away from like Lloyd Strom notebooks and other planners and 447 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,440 things like that. Because it's like, yes, I can 448 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,480 stamp on here. I can do whatever I want. 449 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,200 I can use the pens that I want and it's always going to be a 450 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,160 fresh, crisp new page on the next page. 451 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,200 But now it's like I'm flipping the page and I'm like, EW, like 452 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,800 I didn't realize that that ink was going through there. 453 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,760 I wasn't doing anything crazy. I wasn't painting on my page 454 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,120 with ink. I was just running with a 455 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:12,240 fountain pen. Like that's it, you know? 456 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,280 So those are kind of by kind of two areas. 457 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,880 No, that's very fair. I think that being able to try 458 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,720 and like trust your suppliers and use the ones that you 459 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,080 actually want, the ones that spark joy is definitely 460 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,320 something that we should lean into. 461 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,760 Of course, our next section is needs. 462 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,840 I feel like you already have a need lined up then. 463 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,040 So what are your needs for next year's planners? 464 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,920 Yeah. So I would say kind of my top 465 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,840 three are going to be room for notes like I just talked about. 466 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,280 I feel like the task in the notes are really important for 467 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,440 my layouts. I need to have that overview, 468 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,920 but I need to have the space for the notes and I just need to be 469 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,160 open. And I need something that makes 470 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,040 it feel flexible so that if I'm not using entire pages like I 471 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,480 was talking about before, like if I'm only writing a little bit 472 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,440 on AB5 page, it doesn't feel like a loss. 473 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,560 So it might be a size change just to see. 474 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,720 I'm not quite sure yet, but that's kind of important for me. 475 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,880 I definitely need paper that's going to let me write with 476 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,760 whatever the hell I want to write with. 477 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,520 I know that's probably a big ask. 478 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,040 I know that it is. I know that fountain pens are 479 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,720 not always everyone's favorites. I just can't move away from them 480 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,760 because I have have invested way too much money and time it to 481 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,280 them not to use them and they make me happy and that's all 482 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,680 that really matters, right? And I definitely think having 483 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,120 that kind of weekly overview, but like quick weekly overview 484 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,360 and then getting right into that week is important. 485 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,480 I do it in everything. I'm currently playing around 486 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,520 with one of the night owl planners right now and the pages 487 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,040 are interesting because there's like a weekly overview page, 488 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,640 which I really love, but then every page has a schedule on it 489 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,000 and then it feels like I'm duplicating. 490 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,640 I'm like, well, I don't know if I love that necessarily, right? 491 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,880 But like that, what's that big overview and then getting into 492 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,680 to each of the days, regardless of what I need to do, I can look 493 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,760 at that weekly, but then just write it down or just look at it 494 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,160 and not have to rewrite it down for the day like it's right 495 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,760 there. So I think trying to find a 496 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,560 planner or something, I don't know what it is just yet. 497 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,600 I have to start kind of experimenting to see what that 498 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,440 might be that's going to give me what I'm looking for just 499 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,840 because I think right now that's like what I'm ready for. 500 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,520 So I don't know what that looks like. 501 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,480 Like I said, I have a few ideas that I want to share in the Tri 502 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,400 section here, but for me that's kind of my need needs right now 503 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,680 are really going to be in those areas. 504 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,760 I think that my needs mainly come from like if we're thinking 505 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,240 about like productivity system in general, because there are 506 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,000 certain elements in my lineup that I'm kind of actively 507 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,720 looking to move to a digital space. 508 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,200 It's like, OK, well, what's left? 509 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,120 What is it in particular that you need to be able to organize 510 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,520 in your paper based system to make your plan a lineup? 511 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,440 For me, it is mainly like everyday organization. 512 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,360 So tasks notes if I have them, but it's mainly tasks and to dos 513 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,240 things like, you know, my meal plan, writing that down for 514 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,160 myself and those kind of bits. Also things like goal planning 515 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,360 and project planning. I just prefer to do that on 516 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,480 paper. Like I could set up a system. 517 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,440 In fact, I do technically have a system that is digital to be 518 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,080 able to tackle those, but that's not where my default is. 519 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,440 It's like, you know, if I'm thinking about the default place 520 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,200 to put information, my default for goals and projects is paper. 521 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,680 It's not digital. I just, I appreciate the kind of 522 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,920 freedom, I guess that comes with planning on paper for those kind 523 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,600 of things. So I'm going to be sticking 524 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,040 those in a paper based system. I'm going to have something in 525 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,840 my lineup dedicated to those and thinking about goals and 526 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,760 projects. Main ones are going to be around 527 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,360 health, mental health and physical health. 528 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,760 So the things that I can do to keep track of and work on those 529 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,240 and continue to improve them, I haven't fully fleshed out what 530 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,120 my goals are for quarter one for next year because we're barely 531 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,320 into quarter 4 of this year. So it's like, are we talking 532 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,400 about this too early? No, we have to start thinking 533 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,960 early because otherwise things will sell out and then we'll be 534 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,080 left high and dry with no planners, sad face, no Magusta. 535 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:55,560 But also needing to make sure that I have spaces to do memory 536 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,160 keeping as well. Because although I'm not like a 537 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,800 hardcore journaler in terms of memory keeping or a scrapbook or 538 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,520 anything like that, I do like to have mini snapshots of like 539 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,320 slice of life in my journals. And that was something I feel 540 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,320 like I started this year out doing it quite well. 541 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,040 It wasn't like anything major. It was literally just I'd take a 542 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,640 couple photos on my phone throughout the week or something 543 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,680 and print them off on sticker paper and slap them into my 544 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,520 journal. But now looking back through 545 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,520 those pages, it just makes me smile so much having them there. 546 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,720 Just little bits and pieces, like I took a picture of some 547 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,440 pickled onions I made because I hadn't made pickled onions 548 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,360 before and I was proud of myself for trying something new. 549 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Like the actual picture itself is kind of unattractive, but the 550 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,520 memory tied to it, it just like sparks a little bit of joy. 551 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,760 So in thinking about planning out my lineup, I wanna make sure 552 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,680 that I also have room in there for those things. 553 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,440 But I also feel like I need simplicity. 554 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,640 And with my new desk set up in particular, I've really been 555 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,160 enjoying not having too much clutter on it. 556 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,040 If you could actually see my desk right now, you would 557 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,360 question that statement because girl needs to tidy up. 558 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,280 But I have really appreciated just having fewer notebooks on 559 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:06,040 my desk and knowing that they're all things that I actively need 560 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,520 to be within my grasp. So like pairing down, pairing 561 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,280 down, pairing down, listening the lineup, that is probably a 562 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,200 good idea. That's so interesting to think 563 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,520 about. I've been in a kind of a similar 564 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,520 mode right now. I was doing something the other 565 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,720 day on my desk and I like moved one thing and then a bunch of 566 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,680 stuff toppled over and then I moved something else and then 567 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,440 like something else did and I was like, Oh my gosh, Mark, like 568 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,920 you're, it's too much right now. Like you've got all this stuff 569 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,680 out here. You know, I have a whole section 570 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,360 over on like the left side of my desk with like these little I 571 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,360 always forget how to pronounce it, but like Kitsa stickers or 572 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,640 whatever they are, but they're like little tabs that kind of 573 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,040 exist in here. I have 10 inside of this little 574 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,000 container over here and I don't grab for them and I'm like, 575 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000 well, then why are they here? Like it's in the same thing, but 576 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,160 it's mostly just have to do with the amount of stuff home buy 577 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,040 that's not necessarily planners. Like do I need a whole section 578 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,160 that's holding all of that stuff? 579 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,200 I don't think that I do. And yes, I know how to like 580 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,240 significantly downgrade my space and there's a lot less space now 581 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,240 than it used to be 1 before I moved to this office here. 582 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,040 But it is kind of in my mind too, where I'm like, do I need 583 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,880 as much of that out all at once? Or do I need to get better about 584 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,880 that simplicity of where it is? And especially too, if you're 585 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,320 limited in space. And this isn't necessarily for 586 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,000 us, but it just got me thinking about it is that there is 587 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,480 nothing worse. Oh, it irks me so much because I 588 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,480 do it sometimes. I'm doing it right now because I 589 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,040 have my bullet journal that I use all the time. 590 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,440 I'm testing out this other planner currently. 591 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,160 I have some other pens and, and the other notebook that I was 592 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,640 preparing to talk about that I'm thinking about doing for next 593 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,720 year. And I'm writing and my arms are 594 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,160 touching like all of them and they're piling on top of each 595 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,280 other. And I'm just like, I cannot 596 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,520 right now. I can't do this anymore. 597 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,680 And I just like put them in another ADHD pile to the side 598 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,360 before we started recording because it was just getting in 599 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,640 the way. And I was like, I can't live 600 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,840 like this. And it's like a big problem that 601 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,960 I have because I like to test and try other things. 602 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,880 And the only way for me to be able to really like try it is to 603 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,360 go all in. But when I have, you know, the 604 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,360 1st 10 months of the year inside of a bullet journal and I'm 605 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,960 like, now I'm going to try a different planner for this week. 606 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,240 Like I can't get rid of the other one with all my 607 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,880 information. I'm not going to transfer it all 608 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,760 here to try it. But also I don't need AB 5 out 609 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,520 and then this big thick like A51 over here and that other stuff. 610 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,640 It's just like kind of too much. So like, yeah, how do I how do I 611 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,040 slim it down? Why can't I be a minimalist? 612 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,920 I love the look of it but I can't do. 613 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,760 It No, I completely understand that. 614 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,600 Like in thinking about my disk setup because I just did my 615 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,440 little rearrange of my office as well. 616 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,600 One of the items that I used to have on my desk were these kind 617 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600 of little plastic modular drawers or what are they all 618 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,160 kind of like stacked together and such so that you can, you 619 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,880 know, chop and change which ones you use to make your own set of 620 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,040 drawers that has all of the little bits and pieces. 621 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,160 And they used to stay on my desk because I wanted those things to 622 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,640 be easily within reach. I want to be able to grab my 623 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,560 pens and whatnot whenever I needed them. 624 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,800 But now I'm in a stage with my planning where I just don't need 625 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,480 to have them as accessible. They don't need to be like, you 626 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,800 know, half a foot away for me to be able to like quickly grab 627 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,560 those things. I'm like half a foot. 628 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,720 I don't work in feet. I'm like, that's like a six inch 629 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,200 right, A subway anyway, but because I don't need them in my 630 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,640 like, you know, Direct Line of sight or easily within grasp 631 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,720 anymore, I could take them off my desk and really free up my 632 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,040 desk space. And now, despite today's mess, 633 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,080 despite the fact that it looks slightly trash right now, I've 634 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,640 actually been a lot better at keeping my desk tidy because 635 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,080 there's less on it. So the clutter is a lot more 636 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,920 obvious. So that's been something very 637 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,160 nice. I think in particular as you 638 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,200 were going through, I was just being like, you know, you can 639 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,360 apply the want analysis to this. What are the winds? 640 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,280 What are the aversions? You're absolutely right. 641 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,240 That's why I love this so much is because it just is a really 642 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,440 great way to kind of just like use it for every part of your 643 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,360 life. Just to kind of think about it. 644 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,640 I mean, at the end of the year when I'm migrating notebooks, I 645 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,400 have something very similar that I use for that too, just to be 646 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,400 like, what are we taking? What are we not taking with us, 647 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,280 right? It is it's something that it's 648 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,560 just one of those things were like, I love to have my stuff 649 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,680 out to be able to see it, but I hate when it starts to pile up 650 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,080 and like I'm not putting stuff away and I know it's it's a mean 651 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,480 problem. Like I know I look at it and I 652 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,720 literally like, I should really put that away. 653 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,560 And I don't like I have stamps over here that have been over 654 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,760 here behind me for the past three weeks because I just don't 655 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,640 want to open the box to put them in there because I still have to 656 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640 label them and like repackage them the right way. 657 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,960 And I just not interested in doing that right now. 658 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760 So it's sits, you know, So it's like the same thing with my desk 659 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,520 sometimes where I'm like, oh, I need to do this ink Swatch or do 660 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,120 a thing or blah, blah, blah. You know, where I'm testing 661 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920 something out. I'm like, now I have to keep 662 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,040 these mild liners on my desk and the pen that I'm using and it 663 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,800 needs its own spare. All right. 664 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,720 So clearly we have needs, you know, that we're trying to go 665 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,200 away. I feel like I like regress back 666 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,400 to adversions for a second as part of the needs, but like I 667 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,360 need to not have aversions to these things, right? 668 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,080 Like that's definitely a big part. 669 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,480 The last part we're talking about is the try and I'm 670 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,720 interested to hear from you on this one because we've kind of 671 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,360 made our way down here, right where we're like, OK, what are 672 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,800 we thinking? Anything different that might 673 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,480 happen? So just what are you thinking 674 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,280 about in the Tri section? Things you're just excited to 675 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,400 experiment with or see that might work out for you. 676 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,120 Yeah, I think that the biggest 1 is that idea of the pod down 677 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,160 lineup or whatnot. So going from the the small 678 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,880 flight of notebooks to a smaller fleet, is an Armada bigger than 679 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,520 a fleet? Maybe it used to be an Armada, 680 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,840 now it's a fleet. I don't know, not good with 681 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,160 history or the terminology of those kind of things. 682 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,120 But just being really intentional about it though, I 683 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,560 think because at the start of this year had my lineup, 10 or 684 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,240 so notebooks or whatnot. And I think that I wasn't 685 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,320 necessarily intentional about just eliminating them. 686 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,800 They just became obsolete or they just became, you know, 687 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,120 relics of a time past. I just wasn't using them, but it 688 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200 wasn't an intentional active choice to stop using them. 689 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,520 It was more so just I slipped into a habit of not using them. 690 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,080 So I think it would be really nice to enter next year with a 691 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,920 lineup that is a little bit more solid, a little bit more set 692 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,080 pared down. And I've made that choice 693 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,480 actively rather than just letting things fall by the 694 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,360 wayside. So that one in particular is a 695 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,720 big one. I also want to continue my 696 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,360 experimentation with quarterly planning, I'm pretty sure. 697 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,320 So going from a system where I was doing, you know, a new 698 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,120 journal setup every six months, so we'd start for, you know, 699 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,440 January through to June and then the next notebook would be for 700 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,600 July through to December. I loved that system, used that 701 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,640 system for a really long time. But now I think it would just be 702 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,240 better and it would just kind of better align with how I'm 703 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760 structuring the rest of my planning like with cyclic 704 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,800 planning and quarterly planning to go to a quarterly setup 705 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,960 system. I also have been enjoying 706 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,320 experimenting with bringing intentional collections into 707 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,400 there that are specifically targeted towards goals and 708 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,200 projects. Because while I do who have a 709 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,880 goal planner and I do intend on keeping that because it isn't 710 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,800 quite finished and there's enough pages in there to last at 711 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,080 least another two quarters. I'll probably keep using it. 712 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,600 But I would like to continue setting up those very 713 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,880 intentional spreads and layouts to help me work on my goals and 714 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,360 projects actively, rather than just being like, oh, maybe I'll 715 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,960 write something down on my task list for this day or this week 716 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,000 related to my goals. Because if I don't have 717 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160 something in there that reminds me to do the thing, often the 718 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,000 things don't get done. I want the things to get done. 719 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,680 That's important. I'm also considering 720 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,160 experimenting with some new sizes for things. 721 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,880 So notably for quarterly planning, I've been using B 722 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000 sixes because it's nice and compact and small and it fits 723 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,760 the three months really, really nicely. 724 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,240 But I also miss having room to play and having that kind of 725 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,880 expanded amount of space, whether that be a square or an 726 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,400 A5 or something. I'm just not too sure or how I 727 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,360 will go about doing quarterly planning in there because in a 728 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,280 three month system, you know, you don't need 192 pages. 729 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,840 So it's like, do I also jump back into the Archer and Olive 730 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,320 archive and go with 160 page notebook? 731 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,920 Because if I'm going to use a TFOC, there's go up to like 250 732 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,720 pages. That's like way too many. 733 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,800 So that doesn't seem suitable. But you know, in thinking about 734 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,640 using things from my actual stash, it's mainly TFOC and 735 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,720 Archer and Olive. So the options, they're like 736 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,520 possibly a little limited, but I think it would be interesting to 737 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,640 test out and try doing quarterly planning in something that is a 738 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,880 little larger. Yeah. 739 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,400 I like that. That's pretty interesting. 740 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,320 So my approach this year, I'm doing a few things. 741 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,120 Here's what I'm here's what I want to try. 742 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,440 I want to try to bring my entire life back into one space. 743 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,320 So, you know, way back when I used to put everything, work and 744 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,200 home in one notebook. And then I was getting to a 745 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240 point where I felt like it needed to be in separate spaces. 746 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280 So I moved to separate notebooks and then eventually was like, 747 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,240 well, I don't need a whole notebook for that. 748 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,080 So in my personal life, I moved to just using mostly like the 749 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,920 Ugg monk cards, the analog cards that we were talking about in 750 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,840 previous episodes. And that's worked well for me, 751 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,960 for my space. But the problem is, is that I'm 752 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,480 not always sitting in front of my computer here. 753 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,080 Now my work computer is all of 2 feet to the right of me, right? 754 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,040 Like it's not that far away, but as I've said over and over 755 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,040 again, like it has to be in front of my face for me to 756 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,639 remember to do it. Like, you know, I wrote down 757 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,920 yesterday for the previous episodes podcast, like upload 758 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,120 to, you know, Spotify. I wasn't at that part of the 759 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,920 desk, I was at my work desk. So it didn't get uploaded right 760 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,560 away. But if I would have just put 761 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,600 that in one spot, maybe I would have had a better chance of 762 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,480 getting that done. So that's something that I want 763 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,760 to try first, just putting everything into one space. 764 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,400 I'm very curious about this, like the one space to rule them 765 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,560 all kind of deal. Look at you nailing it down to 1 766 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,560 pen to rule it all. And now you're going to have one 767 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,200 notebook. I assume it might not even be a 768 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,560 notebook. Very intrigued. 769 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,280 But I do like that you're kind of powering down as well and 770 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,000 like, you know, in a slightly different way. 771 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,200 And I'm also doing that. I just haven't gotten to your 772 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,640 level of extreme yet. I would I'd be very curious to 773 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,120 experiment with a like one notebook system. 774 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,880 I don't know how I'd do it. I I feel like rebel brain would 775 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,600 kick him. Be like, you're not the manager, 776 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,920 you're not the boss of me. You can't tell me to do this. 777 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,560 I don't like it, but I am curious about it in terms of 778 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,640 like going from, you know, having your home stuff outside 779 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,480 of your planet into it. Do you have any kind of 780 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,280 considerations or concerns around that? 781 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,760 Because I know some people they have to like they feel compelled 782 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,320 to split it out because of like oi aing and stuff like that. 783 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,440 Do you have anything related to that or? 784 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,960 No, because I think most of this stuff that I'd be writing down 785 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,280 inside of the journal anyway is not anything crazy. 786 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,440 It's like call the dog groomer, you know, make a doctor's 787 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,120 appointment. Like why do I need to put that 788 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,200 in a different spot? Like I know that I need to do 789 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,400 it. So just like put it where I'm 790 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,720 looking all of the time. So there's not really anything 791 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:00,440 major. And then from like a homes 792 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,440 collection standpoint, like I thought that I was going to do 793 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,320 that, but I'm really not. So like the social media stuff 794 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,200 and everything that goes on with that, like most of that is in a 795 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,720 digital space now where I'm organizing it and kind of 796 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:13,320 putting it. I still write things down, don't 797 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,160 get me wrong. There's still be notes around 798 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,200 and whatever else looks like that, but it's just something 799 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,920 right now that like, I just don't feel that it's really 800 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,280 necessary. I'm not limited to space to 801 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,400 where I feel like I need to have it in two separate spots. 802 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,520 And honestly, I don't feel like it's really enough to really 803 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,680 quantify having it in two spaces. 804 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440 That's kind of like where I am like mentally right now. 805 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,480 You know, I think that's very fair because in thinking about 806 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,640 like, you know, if I was to experiment with the same thing 807 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:58,160 and go to an all in One part of that is like my 808 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,080 reading journal or what's really a media journal or a space where 809 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,040 I can, you know, jot notes and thoughts and feelings about the 810 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,400 media I'm consuming and whatnot. I appreciate having that in its 811 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,840 own separate journal because then it feels like its own 812 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,800 little kind of creative aside. Whereas if I was to bring that 813 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,760 into my everyday journal, it would be kind of interesting to 814 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,320 see how I would go about structuring that because I'd 815 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480 probably start getting just like a little bit persnickety about 816 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,040 having it be very sequential because my everyday journal is 817 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,520 so sequential. Like in doing daily logs, it's 818 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,480 like, here's the Monday, then it's the Tuesday, then it's, you 819 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,320 know, so on and so forth. Whereas with my reading journal, 820 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,360 I'm kind of just like, hey, here's a space where something 821 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,760 fits. Nothing's really chronologically 822 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,680 recorded, not to the extent where I'm recording notes for, 823 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,720 you know, Stranger Things season 4 before Stranger Things season 824 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,320 5. Other way around. 825 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,000 Season 4, Season 3. She can't math today either. 826 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,000 It's cool you guys get it, but I don't necessarily get quite as 827 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,240 anal about having things in the order that I consume them in 828 00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:58,920 there. Whereas if I was putting that in 829 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,880 my everyday journal, I definitely would. 830 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,360 I don't think you're going to have that kind of problem, but 831 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,360 what are you thinking about using? 832 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,960 So this is what I've been thinking about Jess, because 833 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,320 I've never really done it done it before. 834 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:18,000 So Ugg monk has a disk bound notebook, right That is pretty 835 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,480 damn cool. I've had it for a while and I've 836 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,040 been kind of thinking about it. And this is the main reason I've 837 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,000 been thinking about it is that when I write on my analog cards 838 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,680 and now don't get me wrong. This card stock is much thicker 839 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,160 than the paper in the paper. And here is a 70 LB paper. 840 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:35,920 I forget what the cards are, but like I can write with my Felton 841 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,760 pen and not have any issues on these. 842 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,480 You know, even like today, like, well, it's it's different people 843 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,640 like my notes for today on the back of here, you don't see any 844 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,400 of the ink that's on the back of police see the other ink, but 845 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,760 like that's a very inky pen that I'm running with and it's been 846 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,720 doing just fine. And I was like, you know what, 847 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,600 I've never fully given disbount a full try because anytime that 848 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,920 I have done that before has been on a pre made planner. 849 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,080 So it's like I forget the one that like Office Depot OfficeMax 850 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,080 has. They have like a brand and some 851 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,880 other ones too. And there's always predated 852 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,720 pages and the pages, the paper and there was always atrocious. 853 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,720 It was never nice. And what I love about Ugg Monk 854 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,040 is that I feel like he is thinking about that because 855 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,960 here's kind of the deal. Jeff uses his products as he 856 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,040 should. He's doing a lot of sketching, 857 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,680 note taking, drawing. Things are happening and the 858 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,800 papers holding out just fine. Now I've done a full out test 859 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,880 with this paper just yet, like that's upcoming. 860 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,640 So if you follow my YouTube, that's on its way as I'm 861 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,880 thinking about what I'm going to do. 862 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,120 The other thing though, and the reason I usually stayed away 863 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,880 from them too is because I'm a lefty and like the discs were 864 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,200 never very kind to me. So I'm also thinking about just 865 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,320 turning my notebook just on its on its top and then just using 866 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,800 this because it's dot grade paper that's inside of here. 867 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,360 So like I could still do like a weekly here and then I could do 868 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,920 my notes on this side. And I think that it could work 869 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,720 out for me. It's an A5 size. 870 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,880 I feel like because it's disc bound also, it's easy to like 871 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,320 flip up and do or I can just pop the pages out right? 872 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,200 Like that's the great thing about the disc bound. 873 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,640 Use it if I want to. I don't. 874 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,240 Think that I'm going to need to do that, but if I want to I can. 875 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,480 I guess that's kind of my thing. I'm a little iffy on the size 876 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,360 because I do tend to like a larger notebook. 877 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,400 They do sell a larger one, but it's like goes from like A5 to 878 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,560 like letter size like a regular size, which is a giant jump that 879 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,640 I'm not quite mentally prepared for just yet. 880 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,160 The other cool thing too is that they do sell their cards that 881 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,360 have like the punches in the top that work with this dispount 882 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,840 system. So I was kind of thinking like 883 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,160 what if I like clip those into here as well for the test. 884 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,000 I don't know, I just think like I might just try Ugg monk as a 885 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,960 whole. It'll be a great experiment, but 886 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,160 it's a you know, it's papers in here, it's dispount. 887 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,360 I could take it in and out and we'll see what might happen 888 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,360 there. I'm I'm iffy about if I want to 889 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,000 also use the capture system or the analog system kind of with 890 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,560 all of this stuff just yet, But like, what if I go all in and it 891 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,720 works really well? I'm not saying I'm moving away 892 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,480 from bullet journaling, like I still want to be able to use the 893 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,480 main features of the bullet journal method here, but what if 894 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,240 it looks a little bit different? And that's kind of what I'm 895 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,000 thinking about trying. I feel like I have to give it 896 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,120 time and experiment with it first to see if I like it before 897 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,040 I go all in because I do have, you know, 100 notebooks over 898 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,640 here that are also, you know, needed me as well and I need 899 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,080 them. So I'm just thinking about maybe 900 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,520 going into this year. So that's kind of what I'm 901 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,320 thinking. Any thoughts on that, Jess, as a 902 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,640 person who's been doing for a long time, like, and you know me 903 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,720 very well too, like, do we think that I'm going to stick with 904 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,280 this? I'm certainly curious to see if 905 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,640 you do it. It sounds like a lot of change 906 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,520 at once, and I'm not saying that that's a bad thing because 907 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,280 sometimes that's honestly what we need. 908 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,200 But have you kind of like in thinking about the idea that the 909 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,440 last couple months of the year are a really good opportunity 910 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,320 for experimentation? I know you said you were 911 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,440 experimenting with our planner, our paper, our paper planner. 912 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,680 Yep, there you go. I know you said you were 913 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,080 experimenting with them. Was it just this week or like 914 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,480 for a couple weeks or? I my plan was just for this week 915 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,520 because I want to get a feel for the paper and kind of the 916 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,640 general layout because it's the, the pages are all exactly the 917 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,520 same. Like every week has the same 918 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,200 kind of layout to it. So I feel like if I give it a 919 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,280 week, I'll have a pretty good idea trying it from pens and 920 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,400 highlighters and writing it and seeing all of that. 921 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,800 So, and because it's undated but pre printed, it's exactly the 922 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,840 same every week. So I kind of know whereas yeah, 923 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,080 this is blank. This is really just like, could 924 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,960 this work? Like I could certainly see 925 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,400 before I make a full year's commitment to it. 926 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,560 Yeah, definitely. Because like if it is a blank 927 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,280 kind of system, you could do that kind of experimentation up 928 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,400 front to see if it's something that you, you know, aren't, you 929 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,600 know, vehemently against or something from the get go. 930 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,040 Because there's nothing worse than setting up a new planner or 931 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,080 layout or whatever mean like Yep, Yep, this is going to be 932 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,320 the one that changes everything for me. 933 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,600 This is going to work great. And then you get into like, you 934 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,320 know, two days into using it, you're like, oh, oh, I made a 935 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,520 huge mistake. This yeah. 936 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,400 So being able to do that kind of like what I like to call an OOCH 937 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,480 or like a test run for it is usually a good idea. 938 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,880 But I like the idea of going to a disk bound system that like, 939 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,800 you know, you're not necessarily using it the traditional 940 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,680 horizontal kind of way. You're doing that kind of 941 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,240 rotated version so that you can flip it up. 942 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,400 Especially as a lefty, even with things getting in the way, 943 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,760 because even as like a right-handed person as soon as I 944 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,800 try and use the left hand page I'm just like cool you're in the 945 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,280 way, please leave. Being able to remove the pages 946 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,000 though definitely does help for that. 947 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,840 Yeah. And what's also cool about it is 948 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,240 that there's a part of their analog system, they actually 949 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,160 have the analog cards that are all. 950 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,440 You can also use the same disks, which are also very nice and 951 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,760 they're metal and they're not plastic and they look very nice, 952 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,800 but it uses like 3 of them. And So what I was thinking about 953 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,440 essentially is, you know, using those in here. 954 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,240 So I could have my tasks on the same page as I go through and 955 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,520 they just kind of fit right into the notebook too. 956 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,240 So I think that versatility is nice. 957 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:04,960 And if I want, again, totally up to me, I can take that out, have 958 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,200 it up in front of me as I know works well for me if I needed 959 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,000 to, to like remember the task and things that I have going on. 960 00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,840 But then, you know, where my brain starts to go is then like, 961 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,640 does that bulk up part of that part, like the pages of your 962 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,280 notebook, you know, So like, is that a, the weekly thing that 963 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,760 I'm doing that I have to like an archive system. 964 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,080 It all works together. I have all the pieces to it to 965 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,480 like make it a full life, you know, but at the same time, I'm 966 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,840 like, but, but am I going to do that? 967 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,320 And the thing that's holding me back mostly is I was thinking 968 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,080 about how often do I really go back to look at previous week's 969 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,440 notes and tasks inside of my notebooks? 970 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,120 I don't because I migrate them forward and anything I need to 971 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,000 keep I keep in a collection page. 972 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,520 So even if I take that, you know, To Do List for the week 973 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,600 and archive it inside of my archive box, it doesn't matter 974 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,080 because I would have already migrated the tasks that were on 975 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,080 that previous to this current week. 976 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,920 So it's almost like using the ability to like pop it in here 977 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,680 for the week and then it goes inside of an archive box. 978 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,160 Like these are the kind of things I'm thinking through and 979 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,120 like it's it's very new, but I feel like I could make it work. 980 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,680 And like I said, I have all the things, it would just be me 981 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,280 saying do it and like make it happen. 982 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,680 I do also like the idea that, you know, you kind of mentioned 983 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,160 there that you don't go back and look at previous weeks or you 984 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,760 know, previous entries or whatnot. 985 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:31,160 And one of the things that has been like a difficulty with me 986 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,240 and disc bound systems is when it starts to get too full and 987 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,200 it's really hard to flip the pages. 988 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:39,880 Essentially, she does not have that much experience. 989 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,960 So like, you know, it might just be me as like a novice or 990 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,160 whatnot. But I think that being able to 991 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,160 take pages out and maybe like archive or store them somewhere 992 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,120 else so that they don't kind of bulk up your everyday carry is 993 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,800 also a possibility with that, which is kind of cool, 994 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,680 especially if you're going with paper that is a little thicker 995 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,960 and you know, that takes up a little bit more space. 996 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,120 I mean, like, you know, it's this big versus this big. 997 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,120 It does actually add up over time though. 998 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,480 So being able to, you know, get to the end of the month and be 999 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,040 like, cool, all of my January pages, I'm actually done with 1000 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,520 them. I can like take them out of my 1001 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,840 system, put them somewhere else so that then I'm not lugging 1002 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,080 around a whole bunch of paper. I mean, I know that you don't 1003 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,160 leave the house head often, but I'm thinking about people who 1004 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,560 actually like take their journal places with them, you know, 1005 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,640 lugging it around with you. You're making your system a 1006 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,680 little bit lighter, streamlined, more easy to transport, which is 1007 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,280 kind of nice as well. I'm very curious to see how you 1008 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,520 go with it. Yeah, I, I think I can make it 1009 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,360 work. I think that's like in my mind, 1010 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,920 I know that I can do that. And I know that there's a lot of 1011 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,960 like the extra accessories and fun stuff. 1012 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,840 And I think that's also what gets me excited about it too, is 1013 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,920 that like I can buy the whole punch that Ugg Monk has so that 1014 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,640 it works with the rings and the note so that I could also add 1015 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,520 other things in here. My brain starts to go down this 1016 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,840 way of like, oh, well, then I have to have a different journal 1017 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,640 for the archive stuff. But then I'm like, maybe not, 1018 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,680 you know, like maybe I do keep it for the year. 1019 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,360 But like I said, I I don't tend to go back to them. 1020 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,280 But then again, same thing. I have every single journal 1021 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,640 since the very first one that I started predated unplanned, if I 1022 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,040 used it for any stretch of time, I have it. 1023 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,960 So then I'm like, well, then what do I do with all of those 1024 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,040 pages? Like I like to have the record 1025 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,440 of them to look back on because I will look back on them from 1026 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,360 like a nostalgic sake, not for any information because it moves 1027 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,200 along. So that is something I have to 1028 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,800 consider. I don't want to have to buy like 1029 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:35,520 a whole other way to store and archive the notebook itself if I 1030 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,880 don't need to. So I think that will be a really 1031 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,160 big part of the experimentation to, to, to see like what that 1032 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,320 looks like because it can only hold so many pages. 1033 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:46,840 And part of me really likes that because like I said, I'd have to 1034 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,960 be specific about making sure the notes made it to collection 1035 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,400 pages and things like that. But at the same time, it 1036 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,840 terrifies me because I'm so used to having, you know, 192 plus 1037 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,000 pages to write stuff in and not ever having to worry about it. 1038 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,880 So I feel like this is the direction that I'm going. 1039 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,400 But how about yourself? Just like, do you have a good 1040 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,560 inclination of like the direction you think you're 1041 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,640 going? So I think the decisions that 1042 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,520 I've probably like Soft made, I reserve the right to change my 1043 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,520 mind because she definitely will. 1044 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,040 But the lineup that I'm planning for the 2026 is going to be an 1045 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,400 everyday journal, whether it's AB Six or something a little 1046 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,720 bigger. I'm not too sure. 1047 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,360 I need to do some kind of planning around that to see how 1048 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,400 I could actually make it work. I might do bigger than AB6 1049 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,120 though. We'll see. 1050 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,960 I'm going to keep the goals planner slash goals journal 1051 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,600 because that one has been working really well. 1052 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,840 I think I'm going to keep it in the same notebook because there 1053 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,320 is enough space in there that I could finish probably the 1054 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,400 majority of next year. But I do kind of also want that 1055 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,240 to be in a square. It's currently in an A5 because 1056 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:48,480 of the structures I like to use in there. 1057 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,160 I think a square would be really nice, so maybe we'll see. 1058 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:53,720 It'll probably still stay the same though. 1059 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,680 I'm going to keep the five year journal because I'll be into the 1060 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,480 I'll be into my fourth year of the five year journal. 1061 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,320 Wow, look at you keeping that up. 1062 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,440 I know. I think that there was totally, 1063 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,080 definitely some of the sunk cost fallacy that went into that. 1064 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,520 It's like you spent such a long time setting this thing up, so 1065 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,240 you Dang well better use it. So that one is going to stay as 1066 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:17,480 part of the lineup. I think I'm retiring my R&D 1067 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,680 journals though, or like I'm not going to get rid of them or 1068 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,960 anything, but I just don't really consider them to be an 1069 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,000 active part of my lineup anymore because I'm not actively using 1070 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,160 them. What I am using instead is of 1071 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,880 course, my scribble books. I love scribble books. 1072 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,120 They're great. They're messy. 1073 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,200 They are very disposable. I don't go back and look at a 1074 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,000 lot of the notes that I take in those. 1075 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,080 So probably keep up with those. But the R&D notebooks are 1076 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,040 probably going to let go of and I'll probably for the sake of 1077 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,120 memory keeping, have a reading journal. 1078 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,760 It'll probably be DNA 5 because that's what I like, and it'll 1079 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,040 probably be something very decorative and intricate on the 1080 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,160 cover because I think that that's beautiful for a reading 1081 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:52,720 journal. I don't want to say that that's 1082 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:54,040 it. Is that is that the lineup 1083 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,720 everyday goals Five year scribblebook barely counts 1084 00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,680 because it's like a mess. Reading Journal. 1085 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,360 Just five. Yeah, that's great. 1086 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,280 Look at you're, you're growing up like you're figuring stuff 1087 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,840 out or like I said, like you are just like, but right now maybe 1088 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,200 that's not what you need, you know, and that's what I think I 1089 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,520 love about making these decisions and they can change 1090 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:15,760 anywhere. No ones going to come. 1091 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,120 The journal police are not going to come and arrest you if you 1092 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,920 change your mind, because I'd be doing a life sentence if they 1093 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,720 were coming after us for stuff like that, right. 1094 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,080 But like if you get to a few months down the road and you're 1095 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,360 like, you know what? I'm really missing this, you 1096 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,280 just introduce it into your thing. 1097 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,480 Like same thing. Like if I end up going this 1098 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,600 route, right? And after a few months, like I'm 1099 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,920 just not really loving it. I have a ton of notebooks I will 1100 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,640 pick up and just start a new journal in, right? 1101 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,600 Like I know how to do it. I've been doing it for over 8 1102 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,760 years now. Like it takes me 5 minutes to 1103 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,120 set up a journal, right? Like basics, right? 1104 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,600 But like that's all I'll need to do. 1105 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,720 And I think that I'm totally OK with that. 1106 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,400 And it's just funny because I do. 1107 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,080 I'm like looking back, thinking about like Mark a few years ago, 1108 00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,760 which was like, we were all sweating it right now. 1109 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,320 We were already planning, we had the videos, we know what we're 1110 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,160 doing. It's like a big moment for us 1111 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,000 and for the planner community as a whole to see what other people 1112 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,280 are doing too. And so I'm kind of just like, 1113 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,880 yeah, if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. 1114 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,320 Like it's cool. And I feel really good about 1115 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,320 that. You know, like I don't feel 1116 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,880 stressed out about not having what I exactly need for it or 1117 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,280 anything else like that. And like I said, I think I'm 1118 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,360 also just excited for the opportunity of like what more 1119 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,040 could potentially be done with it? 1120 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,040 I don't know, but we're, we're here to find out. 1121 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,040 So 5 sounds like a really great number for you, Jess. 1122 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,680 That's amazing. I'm proud of you. 1123 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,840 Thank you. It's OK. 1124 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,040 I definitely forgot some because we have the health journal and 1125 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,800 the Swatch book as well. So let's make it 7. 1126 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,400 See, I don't count, I don't count those ones as a part of 1127 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,680 it. Like the Swatch journal is just 1128 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,800 a Swatch journal. It is what it it's a resource 1129 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,760 book more than like a daily kind of thing. 1130 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,200 That's how I look at those. No, that's definitely why I 1131 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,480 forgot to include it because I think that the health journal is 1132 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,160 kind of going in a similar kind of direction because a lot of 1133 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,960 the information in there was reference materials and that 1134 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,040 stuff I now want to store in like my personal knowledge 1135 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,000 management system or my second brain. 1136 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,440 That one is probably going to get adjusted a little bit. 1137 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,000 I probably won't need to. I mean, it's sitting on my desk 1138 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,520 right now so that I remember to fill in my exercise tracker 1139 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,360 because we're like 142 days strong or something like that at 1140 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,760 this stage would woot. Yeah, tiny flag. 1141 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,960 Thank you so much. But I do think that that one 1142 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,040 possibly will retire at the end of the year because I will move 1143 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,680 stuff either into the the second brain or into my everyday 1144 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,640 journal and such as I try and like streamline the Swatch book. 1145 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,600 Yeah, it's a Swatch book. I don't think it necessarily 1146 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,720 counts as part of the lineup. So I think that calling it 5 it 1147 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:36,920 feels like an accomplishment. That sounds good. 1148 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,840 Well, I like where we're going with this. 1149 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,560 It'll be interesting as we like finally talk about what we're 1150 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,600 deciding on. We'll have to hit on this in a 1151 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,560 future episode. I know we have one plan that I 1152 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,560 actually talk about what we're doing for the new year. 1153 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,880 But in the meantime, Planner pals, we're interested to hear 1154 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,720 from you as well. What are you potentially 1155 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,240 thinking about for your next journal? 1156 00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,320 If you want to use the want analysis to fill that out, 1157 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,760 please leave a comment. Let us know what's working, 1158 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,080 what's not working, and what you're interested in trying. 1159 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,520 You can do this in a few different ways. 1160 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,040 You can always leave a comment if you're watching on YouTube or 1161 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,320 if you're watching on Spotify, leave a comment. 1162 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,560 We love to see them there. You can also hit us up over on 1163 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,680 Instagram at Planner Pals Podcast. 1164 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:22,320 And we've got the e-mail open toowehavesomehardcoreemailloversandiloveyouforitplannerpalspodcast@gmail.com. 1165 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,800 Oh my gosh, I am so excited to hear about what other people are 1166 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,160 thinking, mainly because I like to Snoop through your comments 1167 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,840 and change all of my decisions because I'm like, oh, that's a 1168 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,960 great idea, I should do that. So very much looking forward to 1169 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,160 reading what you guys have to say. 1170 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,080 And as always, thanks for watching.