1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Welcome to the Planner Palace Podcast, a podcast hosted by two 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,840 true Planner Palace. My name is Mark or Mark your 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,080 pages. And I'm Jess or Jessie Curran, 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,360 and as we talked about in our last episode, this is Part 2 of 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,080 Community questions because you guys just had too many 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,920 questions, too many great questions. 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,240 So we had to make sure that we got to as many of them as 8 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:21,480 possible before we get into it. Thank you so much for giving us 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,960 your thoughts about your 2025 Planner lineup. 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 It's really cool to see what you guys are thinking about using or 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,960 possibly retiring from your lineups. 12 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,920 I know that I have a tendency to just kind of add and add and 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,560 add. So it's always nice to get the 14 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,720 reminder to be like, hey, maybe I'd just go down to like one 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,800 notebook or a handful of notebooks rather than like 2 16 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,840 armfuls of notebooks. Well, Jess, let's go ahead and 17 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,080 get right into the questions. I'm going to pick the first one. 18 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,800 This is like brass tacks. You know, we're getting to the 19 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,440 drama early. We're not even going to tease 20 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,120 this one here. This is a question that says I 21 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,520 know you both have your favorite notebook brands, but has there 22 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,560 ever been one that you've decided never to use ever again? 23 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,320 Yes, Oh dear. I think that I, I literally a 24 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,880 couple months ago, I think possibly one or two had a video 25 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:10,880 go up on the channel about like 5 notebooks that I just did not 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,200 like and then three that I actually really enjoyed. 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,280 That one was specifically for memberships though, because I 28 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,560 don't need to spread my negativity around to everybody. 29 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,760 But yes, there have been some that I've decided I shan't be 30 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,840 using again. But also like, I also feel like 31 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,960 there are uses for pretty much any notebook. 32 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,120 So for instance, like LT19 Seventeens, I know that they're 33 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,520 not great for everyday journal, but I wouldn't not use them 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,680 again. If I found a specific use where 35 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,560 I just wanted like black ink on paper and I didn't mind the 36 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,920 ghosting and stuff, then like sure, I'd use them for everyday 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,720 journaling. No, that's not going to be one 38 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,720 for me. One in particular that didn't 39 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,600 vibe so well was actually a Taifosi notebook, which is 40 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,160 interesting because they're kind of fast becoming one of my kind 41 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,840 of preferred brands. But this particular notebook 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,360 they had and I think, you know, the 1 was so smudgy. 43 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,640 I don't know what the paper was coated with, but nothing would 44 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:01,760 eye on it. Not all of their notebooks are 45 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,400 like that, it was just this one particular one they came out 46 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,240 with. But that notebook definitely 47 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,000 would not be one that I would use in the everyday. 48 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,880 What do you think Mark? What about your not preferred 49 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,360 notebooks? Yeah, so that is one that came 50 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,080 to mind was that one. I haven't tried any of the newer 51 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,560 ones. And you actually told me that it 52 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,240 has changed from that because we had a lot of long conversations 53 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,880 of it. I was like, Oh my goodness, that 54 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,440 was just like you had to work so hard. 55 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,440 I was putting like smudge paper between every page. 56 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,040 Like this is not working out for me. 57 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,200 I would say just like cheap notebooks. 58 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,640 Early on in my bullet journaling life, I was grabbing just 59 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:42,040 notebooks from Michael's or the craft store or whatever it was 60 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,640 because they were like a dime a dozen. 61 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,720 And at that point I didn't know anything about paper quality. 62 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,560 I didn't know anything about brands. 63 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,840 Literally after a month of using it, it was falling out of the 64 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,400 binding and it was horrible. And now that I have much nicer 65 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,120 notebooks, I just know that I'll never go back to using crap. 66 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,520 And no offense if that's the journal that you use, I'm just 67 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,080 saying like for B didn't work out too well. 68 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,760 I'm sorry, a little harsh. There was my response on that 69 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,200 one. Yeah, wow, really coming out 70 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,720 shots and shots fired here. But it's funny because like, one 71 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,920 of my favorite notebooks is a cheap notebook. 72 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:15,920 It's this like little kind of like soft spiral notebook or 73 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:17,040 whatever. It's supposed to be good for 74 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,000 people who are left-handed. I mean, not me, but like, I find 75 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,760 it just very enjoyable to write in. 76 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,760 But I think it's because it's cheap that I feel like I can 77 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,800 just be very free and messy and scrappy with it. 78 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,240 And I only ever use it for like, jotting down things kind of 79 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,920 like, you know, mentally processing thoughts and stuff, 80 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:35,880 trying to work out what I want in my planner. 81 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,760 If I'm doing a planner setup and stuff, I'll start in the scrappy 82 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,240 notebook. So then it doesn't feel like I'm 83 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,640 kind of quote, quote, wasting the pages of my nicer notebook. 84 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Keeping on the topic of supplies, though, and notebooks 85 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,640 that we would or wouldn't use, would you ever consider using a 86 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,880 hobenichi? This person in particular was 87 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,440 thinking about supplementing their journal lineup with that 88 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,640 one. Yeah, so I did use a hobenichi 89 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,440 once. It was an undated one. 90 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,840 It was is a tecco I believe. I think when I did my review I 91 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,960 called it a techno because I thought it sounded super cool 92 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,240 but they were like is it got a deck out? 93 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,200 I think it's. A hold of. 94 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,000 Pitcher, a teacher. OK, yeah. 95 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:16,000 So I can't pronounce the words. And I kind of liked it, but it 96 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,079 was undated. And I think everyone who has 97 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,480 them uses like a dated version of it. 98 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:23,440 And I really like that. I've used the night owl planners 99 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,920 which are somewhat similar but more like US based, you know 100 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,120 like I don't know just it works with the time that I do. 101 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,640 I don't like like the military timing and schedules because 102 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,080 that's not how I use time. So if it's like 12 then 12345 103 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,960 versus 13141516. I don't like that I like it more 104 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,280 basic how I like to use it. I also just think that there are 105 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:48,400 so many different versions of it and you can really make it your 106 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,400 own. In last episode, someone asked 107 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,000 about like customizing their planners or their journals and 108 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,160 making it their own. I think that's really great way 109 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,280 to do that. You can buy the different covers 110 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,400 for it. You can buy the lineup or the 111 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,920 the layout of it that you like and works best for you and try 112 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,440 different things. So I definitely would if I found 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,240 the right one, but I would have to get over the ghosting. 114 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,160 They're just very thin, but good paper. 115 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,440 And I don't know. I do it again every time I every 116 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,920 time I say ghost, I have like a, a reaction. 117 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,360 My body is just like, oh, you don't like it? 118 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Stop saying that you're going to do it. 119 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,520 You don't like it. And I just it's weird. 120 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,600 I'm, I'm noticing now that after 2 episodes of doing it, every 121 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,200 time I talk about ghosting, I literally it's like a ghost is 122 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,680 in the room. I get chills. 123 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,240 Is the ghosting in the room with us? 124 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,320 It is. It's all the journals I'll never 125 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,720 use ever again. I've been very interested in the 126 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,880 Hobonichi kind of like series. I don't know what they call it, 127 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,480 lineup range, range, there's the word, but I don't think that I 128 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,320 would personally use it. I have been so super curious, 129 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,720 like so very tempted to get one and try it out. 130 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,960 And especially because you see like the Hobonichi creators 131 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,760 online with their very like pretty small handwriting with 132 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,560 their very, very black ink pens and they put their little 133 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,080 stickers on, but like only little ones because you don't 134 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,400 want to bulk it up too much. It's very, very cute. 135 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,240 But it's also, I know not the way that I plan. 136 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,320 Like I like to have the flexibility of a blank notebook 137 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,160 with dots not fully blank. Come on, can't write in a 138 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,200 straight line to save myself. But I don't think that the style 139 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,200 of the planner would actually work for how I like to plan. 140 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,280 I also know that, like you, ghosting is not my not my 141 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:37,040 friend. While I do like ghosting when 142 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,920 you're just doing black ink on paper, which is probably what I 143 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,840 would do with a hope and Ichi, I don't use that often enough to 144 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,840 really warrant getting one for myself. 145 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,320 But I do like the idea of supplementing your lineup with a 146 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,520 pre printed planner. I think that that idea in 147 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,040 general can totally get behind. I have every so often thought 148 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,840 about possibly how I could use a pre printed planner in my 149 00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,720 lineup. It wouldn't be for my everyday 150 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,680 journal, but I don't really have like a an immediate need for 151 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,320 anything that I would use it for. 152 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,760 So it's kind of like a curiosity point that I don't really need 153 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,240 to use right now because my journaling purpose doesn't 154 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,960 really align. With absolutely, this next 155 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,960 question, Jess actually reminded me of the last episode we had 156 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,520 because you talked about your 2025 lineup and your R&D 157 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,600 journals and all of this. And I saw this question. 158 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,480 I was like, we have to ask this one because I'm sure people 159 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,920 watch your videos of 100 different ways to do a thing. 160 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,360 I watch your videos of 100 different ways and I say to 161 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,760 myself, like, how in the world do you create all of these 162 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,520 different ideas? This question specifically I'm 163 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,800 going to join my question with their question is how do you 164 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,600 have time for all of the spreads in journaling and how in the 165 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,560 hell do you come up with 100 different ideas for something 166 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,880 ever? Well, the, the easy answer is I 167 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,640 don't sleep very much when I was like still a teacher and stuff. 168 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,120 They're like, how do you find the time to do all of this kind 169 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,480 of stuff? And I'm just like, I don't 170 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,800 prioritize myself care. That's how I do it. 171 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,760 Do not do what I do now that I do work for myself though and I 172 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,320 have a little bit more flexibility in terms of how I 173 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,840 schedule my time. I try and restrain myself to 174 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,080 waking hours or typical waking hours for doing journaling 175 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,800 content. And I'm getting slowly getting 176 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,480 better and not working in the evenings though we are in the 177 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,560 late up to the end of year. So I know that that's not going 178 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,400 to hold like there are going to be evenings that I'm working on 179 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,360 them. But as was mentioned, this is my 180 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,920 job. I work for myself as a content 181 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,320 creator who makes journaling content. 182 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,440 So my days are very much filled, especially around the periods 183 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,600 where I'm making those very big idea videos. 184 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,400 They just filled with me sitting at my desk making layout after 185 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,240 layout after layout. So the way that I am able to use 186 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,880 my time in that kind of like lends itself to being able to 187 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,120 make as many pages as I do. Not necessarily something that 188 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,800 everybody has time for, though I can understand that. 189 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,600 When I was a teacher, it was very much like just using any 190 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,560 available time in my evenings that wasn't spent doing teacher 191 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:01,960 related stuff, doing stuff for the channel, making content and 192 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,800 things like that. Neglecting my well-being. 193 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,200 Not a good time nowadays. If I were doing it not as a job, 194 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,720 if I was still teaching, I wouldn't be a content creator 195 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,120 anymore. That was kind of the, the 196 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,960 ultimatum, all the tomato that I gave myself. 197 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,160 It's like, OK, you're going to, you're going to do 1 because you 198 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,480 can't do both and do both of them to the level that you 199 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,240 really want to do them at. So it's like, OK, if it's going 200 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,720 to be teaching versus content creating, which one's going to 201 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:27,800 win out? I'm like, I'm going to give it, 202 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,600 I'm going to give it a shot. I can always go back to teaching 203 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,320 if I wanted to, But it's like you're kind of on a, you built 204 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,400 the train up, you've got some momentum with this content 205 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,320 creating gig that you're just going to see how that rides out 206 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,920 and still riding the train. So that's good. 207 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,520 Let's knock on wood and make sure that that keeps happening. 208 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,120 Yeah, I can't imagine in a planner world without you in it. 209 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,520 And that's just saying that to blow smoke, like I really mean 210 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,880 that. You're such a part of it. 211 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,040 You're this cornerstone of just creativity and good vibes and 212 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,480 like community and all of that. I'm glad you chose content 213 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,240 creation and it's working out for you because I would be real 214 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,960 sad if you chose teaching over this just because you have so 215 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,920 many amazing ideas. And I know exactly what you mean 216 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,320 about how you use that time because I'm on the opposite end 217 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,880 of this where this is a hobby for me that feels like a second 218 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,320 job. And my advice is how do you have 219 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,040 time? Is that you actually time block 220 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,240 and you make the time you want for it. 221 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,920 It's like a hobby for me. So if I played golf on a regular 222 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,800 basis, I would make the time and block that time out to go and do 223 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,720 that thing. Or if I liked movies, I would 224 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,000 block out that time to go watch a new movie. 225 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,320 That's how I do it with my planner creation. 226 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,960 I do it before work. Sometimes if I have time over 227 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,800 lunch, I might do recorded video or do a thing. 228 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,560 Or if we're just sitting around in the evenings watching TVI 229 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,080 have a another notebook I use for just ideas. 230 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,040 I'm just sketching out different things. 231 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,880 So it's about finding the time and time that you want to use 232 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,400 for something that you enjoy. If you really like it, you'll 233 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,200 make time for it. That's how I look at it. 234 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,840 No, I completely agree with that. 235 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,240 I know that one of the videos we shared on the channel a little 236 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,800 while ago was a flip through of my friend's reading journal 237 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,160 setup because she does excellent things in her reading journal. 238 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,640 And one of the comments that came out was like, Oh, well, she 239 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,480 obviously like doesn't have a life because this is all she 240 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,960 must do with her time. And it's like, no, this is, this 241 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,520 is her primary hobby. Like reading and reading, 242 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,040 journaling is something that is important to her and that she 243 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,360 values. So she makes time in her day, 244 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,840 sets aside time in her day to do those things. 245 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,120 Now, if we're thinking about journaling in general, you know, 246 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,960 trying to make time for that and all of that kind of thing, You 247 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,480 don't necessarily have to make as much time for it as I do 248 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,000 because I said I'm out here making like 100 layout idea 249 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,600 videos and stuff on a semi regular basis. 250 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,800 You do not need to have the 6-7 or whatever hours a day that I 251 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,800 dedicate to my craft, but finding some kind of pockets of 252 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,720 time in amongst your schedule. They don't have to be all at 253 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,480 once as well. Sprinkle them throughout your 254 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,120 day, do a 5 minute here and there. 255 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,920 It all adds up and you'll be able to do a lot of different 256 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,760 things in your journal that you might not otherwise have thought 257 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,520 you could on. Your question of like how I come 258 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,320 up with ideas is literally like a lot of me sitting here just 259 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,440 racking my brain and what else is there? 260 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,000 I see this just like a big brainstorming session. 261 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,120 It would be the same thing like what I do at work when we're 262 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,360 trying to think up a new feature for a product that we're 263 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,200 building. It's just you're throwing ideas 264 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,120 out there thinking about how you use it, using a lot of that same 265 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,120 mental methodology on coming up with ideas and things like that. 266 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,000 So I half joke asking that question. 267 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,600 I'm just, I had a hard time. I put out a video a week or two 268 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,560 ago with like 3 vertical weekly ideas and I had a really hard 269 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:31,760 time being like, are these different enough to even 270 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,840 validate making a video with them combined? 271 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,120 And when I see your videos of like 30-5 different ways to do 272 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,480 this, it's just like, damn, like it's amazing. 273 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,640 I don't mean it in a negative way when I say like, how do you 274 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,720 do it? I'm just always just like damn, 275 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,960 that's awesome that you can generate that many ideas and 276 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,760 execute on them too. Yeah, I think it also comes from 277 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,520 just like living in the journaling space as much as I do 278 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,960 because like a lot of the content that I'm consuming 279 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,480 online, whether that be like YouTube, Instagram, whatever 280 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,360 else that's journaling related, I also take a very kind of like 281 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,040 problem solution approach to it. So it's like, OK, well, if this 282 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,880 is the kind of like area of life that people are trying to make 283 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,440 journaling layouts around, and what kind of reasons would they 284 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,200 have for setting up layouts? What kind of like issues are 285 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:16,800 they trying to solve? What kind of things are they 286 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,560 trying to capture in terms of information? 287 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,640 And how can we set that up in terms of different layout ideas? 288 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,440 It's a fun like kind of problem solving game keeping on the kind 289 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,040 of content creation or train of things. 290 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,720 One question we have is how do you keep motivated to create 291 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,680 content? I think for me it's about 292 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:35,800 finding the fun in it. So as someone who's creating 293 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,960 content and sharing it, I, I, I see them as two different things 294 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,880 too. Like if you're creeping your 295 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,960 bullet journal for yourself and using it versus what you and I 296 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,840 are doing and others are treating content and then 297 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,640 sharing that. I think for me, it's about 298 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,120 finding what's fun about it. I think the reason that I've 299 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,360 been able to keep up with it is because the content I'm creating 300 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,360 the bullet journal, I'm creating my weekly spreads. 301 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,400 I'm using that for work. So there's an immediate use for 302 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,360 it. I'm literally creating it to use 303 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,480 it right away versus just in my other journals just for ideas. 304 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,920 It's kind of a sketch of an idea of something I might use in the 305 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,120 future. I think that's one way to do it. 306 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,320 I think if you're also so using it as just content creation and 307 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,520 you're out there is finding new ways to do it, as many people 308 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,080 hated reels and creating those and like trying to jump on that 309 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,240 train. I freaking love it. 310 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,240 I think that's so fun. I think it's so creative. 311 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,600 Like I love nothing more than like finding a funny sound that 312 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,640 I found someone else that's not in the journal community and 313 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,960 being like, oh, OK, how can I take that and use that for our 314 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,600 space, right? And that to me, it's actually 315 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,400 very similar, kind of like your idea generation for your 316 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,480 planner, things where I'm using my brain a bit differently, 317 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,720 where I'm like, OK, here's a thing or an idea or a trend. 318 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,400 Now, how do I make this work for planning Bullet Journal, 319 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,040 stationary. And luckily we fit into a lot of 320 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,360 stereotypes in this community and we all do it. 321 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,080 So it's easy to talk about spending your money on things 322 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,520 you don't want, getting it out of the notebook, buying another 323 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,920 pen, you know, whatever that might be, or just sharing things 324 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,400 that you love. I love talking about exciting 325 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,000 things that I'm buying for myself. 326 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,280 New pens, new ink, you know, getting a box of stationary or a 327 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,680 subscription box. It's always just fun to do. 328 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,040 So do what excites you and keep having fun with it. 329 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,720 And then make sure that you're doing it for yourself, even if 330 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,480 you're sharing with other people as well. 331 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,640 Yeah, I think that having some kind of like purpose or reason 332 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,640 to come back to is probably what kept me going at the start. 333 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,400 Because for me with starting content creation, like, you 334 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,000 know, before making it my job and before I was even making any 335 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,120 money off it or anything like that, it was just an, I have 336 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,720 ideas and I want to give to other people. 337 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,600 Like I want to help other people with their journaling because I 338 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,240 have so many ideas for journaling. 339 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,320 But I think that like not necessarily saying that you're 340 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,120 creating in the journaling space or like creating in whichever 341 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,440 space you're creating in. It's like, what is your reason 342 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,120 for creating it? Is it so that you have a 343 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,240 creative outlet? Because then you can really just 344 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,320 lean into that. It's not about the numbers and 345 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,760 the followers and all of that kind of thing. 346 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,480 It's you being able to use up, expend your creative energy. 347 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,920 If it gets to a point where like me, it's like I create so I can 348 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,240 continue to put food on the table. 349 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,800 It's a little bit different. I mean, you know, there's also 350 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,160 obviously the, the other aspect of it that it's just something I 351 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,640 enjoy. It's something that I like, you 352 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,400 know, enjoy getting to create the layouts and connect with our 353 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,120 community and all of that kind of thing. 354 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,560 My big purpose being like, I have ideas and I want to share 355 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,920 them and I want to help other people. 356 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,320 Like there are other ways to do that as well outside of creating 357 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,320 content. But because I enjoy it so much, 358 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,320 that's kind of like what I guess helps push me forward with it. 359 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,720 Let's keep on this same trailer. There's another great question 360 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,280 from someone who asked about how we learned to record and edit 361 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,960 audio and video for YouTube. Trial and error. 362 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,960 It's really it's a really unsophisticated answer practice. 363 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,760 Oh, we love that one. But honestly, that's kind of 364 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,760 what it is like the first videos you make suck, like it's just 365 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,560 what it is. Like we talked about it in the 366 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,000 last episode, but Jesses little rabbit noises of at the end of 367 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,160 every sentence, which is sort of grating. 368 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,280 Like you make the video, you pick it apart politely and then 369 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,760 you do better in the next one. We've been doing this for a 370 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,240 couple of years now, so we've kind of come up with our own 371 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,200 editing styles and all of this. But if you actually want to like 372 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,920 learn, learn how to do it, there's a lot of really great 373 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,400 low risk ways to do that. One of them is YouTube. 374 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,400 Literally just take the editing software you're going to be 375 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,960 using like once you've found what you want to use and then 376 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,680 just do like, you know, I movie Maker for beginners or like 377 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,720 whatever Film Aura for beginners, Adobe Premiere Pro 378 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,680 for beginners, like any of those introductory videos will set you 379 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,600 up in the right direction. Yeah, I would say for me, I have 380 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,720 a background in audio production. 381 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,120 So I worked in radio before I started my entire career inside 382 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,240 of design. So I was a radio DJ on there 383 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,800 doing that. And as a part of that job, you 384 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,320 also have to edit and record audio for the commercials as 385 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,240 well. So I already was used to that. 386 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,280 And then while I was doing radio, because you don't make a 387 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,800 lot of money in radio, I was also working at a nightclub and 388 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,840 in the nightclub get a lot of AV all around. 389 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,360 And I used to work there during the day and I used to cut up 390 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,160 videos for us to use in the nightclub at night and then also 391 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,760 for TV commercials. So that was my first way to kind 392 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,360 of get my hands into using that type of equipment and doing that 393 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:19,520 type of thing. It wasn't educated and like 394 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,920 actually taught. I taught myself and had someone 395 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,920 else teach me. But it's funny because then it 396 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,720 was like all these years later that I hadn't done that skill 397 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,280 and so much has changed. I mean, it changes like every 398 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,360 year and like something new comes out. 399 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,200 But when I started recording editing content for YouTube and 400 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,960 for Instagram and all of that for bullet journaling planning, 401 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,560 I just used my phone. And for the first two years I 402 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,160 recorded and I edited on my phone. 403 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,680 No extra anything. I think I used in shot. 404 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,720 I bought the premium version of that, which is like a one time 405 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,560 cost and I've been using it ever since. 406 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,680 I that's what I use for my reels and other things I do on my 407 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,120 phone. But I just use that and you just 408 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,880 kind of learn and you watch videos on how to do different 409 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,320 things, especially like lighting like this. 410 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,440 This took me a really like look back at my old videos. 411 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,520 It is atrocious. I used to have a glow light and 412 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,880 like and like a cardboard box thing in the back of my videos. 413 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,360 Go back that far when I first started and you will see it and 414 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:20,840 you will, oh, it's horrible. But that's what you do. 415 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,880 And just like just just said, you watch that and you're like, 416 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,080 OK, how do I improve my lighting? 417 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,160 And you watch videos on how to do that. 418 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,720 And then you go, OK, I'm ready to upgrade my camera. 419 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,680 You know, I'm going to go from my phone to an actual camera. 420 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,760 What's the easiest camera to use? 421 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,960 But honestly, I mean, your phone, the newer phones 422 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,400 sometimes better quality than anything else. 423 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,840 It's kind of insane. So it's it's pretty awesome the 424 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,640 way that you can, you can make that happen. 425 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,920 Yeah, I mean, I used my phone for video recording for at least 426 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,080 the first like four years or something of making content. 427 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,760 I think I didn't change over to a proper, proper, proper camera 428 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,680 until I was literally full time content creating. 429 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,400 I'm pretty sure I got a proper microphone about a year into the 430 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,400 piece because I told myself like, no, you have to prove to 431 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,040 yourself that you're. We're actually going to stick 432 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,840 with this. You're actually gonna keep going 433 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,280 with it. You know, get your reps in 434 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,520 before you change. Like go and spend the money, I 435 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,960 suppose to change over your microphone. 436 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,920 But good audio is usually more important than good video. 437 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,040 That's a big piece of advice. You don't want it sounding like 438 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,520 you're like underwater. Nobody wants to listen to that. 439 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,040 Keeping all the content creating train. 440 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,040 Because we got a lot of questions about that, which like 441 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,200 I locally love talking about it. So I'm like all for it. 442 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,760 But this one was What advice can you give to someone who just 443 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,080 created an Instagram account to share their Buddha creations 444 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,080 online? So the best advice I'm going to 445 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,480 give you is learn how to take good shots of your journal with 446 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,640 your phone. That will involve a little bit 447 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,280 of lighting. There's different ways and a lot 448 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,040 of people just use natural lighting. 449 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,320 But the problem is, is you then have to rely on nature to give 450 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,960 you that good light. I remember years ago someone was 451 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,880 like, I can't take any pictures because it's been raining here 452 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,360 for three weeks. And I was like, EW, like you 453 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,600 rely on real nature. You can do really easy stuff 454 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,000 with just like a ring light down on top of your journal and get 455 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,560 something like honestly your phone can do good photo editing. 456 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,880 Now AI can do like really quick like lighting hacks for you to 457 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,880 kind of make it look nice. I think hands down best thing 458 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,000 you can ever do is just learn how to take a good photo of your 459 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,280 journal to share it online and that will make such a difference 460 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,080 in how you do it. I think that if you do want to 461 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,280 use natural lighting, having a setup that is mobile is really 462 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,520 useful. So I literally had a shelf that 463 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,400 was from an old like, I don't know, set of shelves that we had 464 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,480 like an old bookcase. I would do that as my thing so 465 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,720 that I could take it around to the parts of my house that had 466 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,240 the best lighting at the time. I'd like prop it up against the 467 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,440 window so that I could get the natural light or like bring it 468 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,720 into the lounge room or whatever. 469 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,320 Having a mobile system very much helped with that. 470 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,400 Also, if you're going to do some kind of like photo editing or 471 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,000 whatnot, you want a good app for it. 472 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,520 Snapseed is a really good one. It's free. 473 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,240 You can like up the contrast, brighten things up. 474 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,040 The best part about it though, is that you can like select by 475 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,040 color, which means that if your pages end up looking like really 476 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,880 yellow, like really blue, depending on the lighting, you 477 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,720 can literally specifically select that color on the picture 478 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,600 and desaturate it or brighten that or whatever. 479 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,120 And that's the ones that people often use when they're sharing 480 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,880 their photos because we all know that the stuff that people share 481 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,240 online isn't 100% real. But when it comes to those kind 482 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,840 of like still images and stuff where it's like, oh, the 483 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,040 blackout notebook looks so dark and like the contrast is 484 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,240 popping. Yeah, it's probably edited or 485 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,880 it's got a filter or something. Like play around with them, find 486 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,240 the style that you like. Snap Seat is a really good app 487 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,800 though if you just just want to like up contrast and brightness 488 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,840 and things like that. And as a person who is 489 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,680 colorblind and can't see the difference between if your page 490 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,120 looks a little bit more bluish or yellow or whatever, I also 491 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,480 use that. I couldn't think of it when I 492 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,760 was mentioning the other apps before, but that's one. 493 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,840 As soon as I found that one, I haven't used anything else 494 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,600 honestly. I mean, yes, your phone can 495 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240 automatically clean things up for you, but that's one where 496 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,640 you have a little bit more control and there's already pre 497 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,520 done filters in there too that you can use. 498 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,440 I can't say enough about it. I just let's get into a fun one. 499 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,880 This is is about planning, but the question is what do you do 500 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,920 while you're working inside of your planner? 501 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,960 Are you watching TV? Listening to music? 502 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,400 And if you are, what are you watching or listening to? 503 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,320 Nice, because I set up as many layouts as I do and I often need 504 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,120 to film them when I'm setting them up. 505 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,920 It means that I can't necessarily do a lot of stuff 506 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,480 that like, causes me to pause too much. 507 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,520 So I find that things that are like heavy on the audio are 508 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,200 usually good. I mean, like, I could totally 509 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,280 watch something that gets me to pause, but the process would 510 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,000 take way too long. And then I'd have to edit out 511 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,920 all of these parts with my hands are just like, right. 512 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,680 We want something that makes future Jess's life a little 513 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,400 easier. So previously I was watching 514 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,000 things like Gilmore Girls because they talk at 100 miles a 515 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,920 minute, which means that you don't actually have to watch 516 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,120 because they're describing in full what's going on. 517 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,920 That works really well. Also any kind of like true crime 518 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,960 thing because often sometimes, provided it's in your first 519 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,520 language, it's pretty easy to know what's going on without 520 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,040 actually having to watch the screen. 521 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,360 And more recently, I've actually been getting into audiobooks 522 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,240 because previously I didn't have good access to them. 523 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,040 And now I've actually been able to kind of like broaden my 524 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,440 horizons in terms of reading and listening to some audiobooks 525 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,320 while I do my work. What about you, Mark? 526 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,280 So I have to keep it very musical because if I listen to a 527 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,280 book I can't write in a journal and also comprehend what's 528 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,240 happening there too. It's also why I can't watch a 529 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,760 new movie while I'm doing something else as well. 530 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,680 Also, I have a really bad habit for some reason with audio books 531 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,760 and TV or movie, as as I'm writing my own sentence, I'm 532 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,880 getting the information and then I start writing what I'm hearing 533 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,920 on my page. But it doesn't happen with 534 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,920 music. So I can listen to music and my 535 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,720 music is very diverse. It's mostly very upbeat, rap, 536 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,280 pop, kind of rock, whatever I'm into at that exact moment, I 537 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,640 will listen to it at nauseam. And I'm dancing, I'm moving, I'm 538 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,000 having fun. It just adds to the enjoyment in 539 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,880 my space. So that's what I'm doing. 540 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,600 Yeah, I find that any kind of music with lyrics for me, if I'm 541 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,560 trying to actually write something out doesn't work 542 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,400 because exactly like you said, I'll just start writing lyrics 543 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,480 instead of writing what I was supposed to be writing down. 544 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,560 So I've found that like, like, you know, some people do lofi 545 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,720 and lofi is fine, but I find that hip hop lofi is best. 546 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,880 Like that's what I've really enjoyed when it comes to like, 547 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,960 no lyrics, but still music and still kind of upbeat. 548 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,040 I have tried non musical, someone told me about brown 549 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,040 noise which just sounds disgusting every time I say it. 550 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,200 I love brown noise, it's really good. 551 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,840 Oh my gosh it literally has changed my life. 552 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,880 Like when I want to focus that just like I feel it. 553 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,120 I don't know if this happens to you, I think everyone has a 554 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,080 different reaction. I feel it in my shoulders. 555 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,960 Like I literally feel like this weight on me and it's like a 556 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,040 weighted blanket of noise. I know it sounds so weird but if 557 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,520 you've never listened to brown noise it is amazing. 558 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,160 I know some people use it to fall asleep. 559 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,840 So someone I work with was telling me that they use brown 560 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,200 noise for productivity and I was talking about it to someone 561 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,200 else. They were like, oh, I can't 562 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,120 listen. I'd fall asleep. 563 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,320 That's what I use to fall asleep. 564 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,560 But I'm telling you, focus, especially this brain, always, 565 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,000 something's happening in here. That's another good one. 566 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,200 You just want to be like laser focused. 567 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,440 I love the idea like the different noise colors as well 568 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,520 because white noise sounds like really tinny. 569 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,400 Green noise is pretty good, but brown and pink noise are 570 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,760 probably my favorite noises of the noise, like color noise. 571 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,120 I also do that when I'm reading I on my tablet. 572 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,240 It also helps me drown on other stuff as well because I have 573 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280 like the opposite effect that when I'm reading I can't have 574 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,920 other stuff also happening like I said because I need to focus 575 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,320 and the brown noise reminds me of like the ocean. 576 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,280 So like if I'm sitting outside and I'm listening to it and I 577 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,600 can read, I comprehend so much more of what I'm reading. 578 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,160 All these. I wish I would have known that 579 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,680 when I was younger because it would have helped me a lot more 580 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,360 in school I feel like. My favorite thing for reading 581 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,040 rather than journaling is like those 12 hour ambiance tracks 582 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,440 that you get. The ones that are like, you 583 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,360 know, reading room with a crackling fireplace and a thumb 584 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,280 thunderstorm or whatever. It feels like one of those like 585 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,440 keywords stuffed titles. But a lot of those, they're 586 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,520 really, really good. I was totally just listening to 587 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,160 one last night. I was like sitting over in my 588 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,880 reading chair, had the fireplace going on my computer screen. 589 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,960 It was quite nice. Before I found Brown Noise for 590 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520 focus, I used to turn on a Cafe 1 and you could control the 591 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,080 coffee ambience and you could control the coffee people 592 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,000 chatter ambience, so you could really figure out what you 593 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,240 wanted. But then I found brown noise and 594 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,600 I haven't gone back since. So we had a couple of questions 595 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,080 about this topic, so I figured we should probably slip this one 596 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,960 in here. But how do you find motivation 597 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,640 to work with your journal every day? 598 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,680 I guess probably a better question is do you find 599 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,040 motivation to work with your journal every day? 600 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,280 Yeah, because it is literally how I get my work done. 601 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,760 So I was just talking to my Barber about this the other day. 602 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,680 He was asking me about like, the social media stuff and all of 603 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,880 that. And we got into this 604 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,440 conversation about adult ADHD and he was saying how, you know, 605 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,240 he was diagnosed younger with it. 606 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,400 And I've never been officially diagnosed, but I know. 607 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,680 And he was saying that it is something that we move from 608 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,000 different topics, right? This hyper focusing on things 609 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,360 and then never using things again. 610 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,360 Bullet journaling is the only thing in my entire life, 611 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,400 literally, that I've stuck with for as long as I have Video 612 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,960 games, music changes all the time. 613 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,520 The pen I like to use changes on a weekly basis. 614 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,080 Bullet journaling is the only thing for me that has worked for 615 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,160 as long as I've been doing it. It works. 616 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,320 You know, I don't have to go look for anything else, even 617 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,680 though I do all the time because my brain's like, Mark, you want 618 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,840 something different in your life And I'm like, Nope, this really 619 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,680 does its job for me. So that's really, I don't have 620 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,920 to find motivation to use it because I know that it works for 621 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,400 me. I think the motivation maybe is 622 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,040 more about like the excitement about the pen, the stamp, the 623 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,080 sticker, the whatever I'm into at that time, just bringing that 624 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,440 into my journal because I find that that makes me more excited 625 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,680 to use it. But I'm using it no matter what 626 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,200 to get my job done. So that's, that's my approach. 627 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,040 How about you? You know, I, I feel you on that 628 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,200 because in terms of I know hobbies, if we think about 629 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,520 hobbies specifically, bullet journaling is the longest 630 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,400 standing hobby that I have had because it did kind of start as 631 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,160 that way to be a little bit more creative, have a creative outlet 632 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,400 that also helped me kind of like organize my life. 633 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,880 So that has been a very big motivator. 634 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,680 And because I stuck with it as long as I have, it means that it 635 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,320 now has the track record that I know that it works. 636 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560 So, you know, if I'm ever feeling a little bit slumpy with 637 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,640 my journal, like I was hardcore slumping in both February and 638 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,800 March of this year, but stuck with it because I know that it 639 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,840 has worked for me. I've come out of those slumps 640 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,560 before. I've still gotten a lot of value 641 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,840 out of the process. So I stick with it. 642 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,400 But that doesn't necessarily mean that I actually touch my 643 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,440 journal every day. Like there are going to be some 644 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,280 days where I like have other things going on. 645 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,400 Life is hectic, maybe I'm traveling. 646 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,880 I don't see my journal as like being this thing that I have to 647 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,840 get in with every day. I tend to get in with it every 648 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,240 day. Like there's a reason that I 649 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,000 call my bullet journal my everyday journal and it's 650 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,960 because it usually gets everyday use. 651 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,320 That's because it's how I organize my life and stuff. 652 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,720 There are still going to be some days where like I don't touch 653 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,040 it. Like anytime I go on a trip, I 654 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,840 usually don't end up touching it really at all. 655 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,080 I take it with me because it feels more comfortable to have 656 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,800 it there. But oftentimes, like if I'm gone 657 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,680 for a six day trip, 4 out of those six days, I won't touch it 658 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,360 at all and it will only be in the last two. 659 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,480 I'm like, all right, do we want to hit the ground running when 660 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,360 we get back? What do we need to like think 661 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,640 about and prepare for and all of that kind of stuff. 662 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,560 But I feel like if you go into either bullet journaling or 663 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,640 planning or something with this kind of expectation that you 664 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640 have to use it every single day, then when you get to the days 665 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,760 that you don't, it will feel like a shortcoming on your own 666 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,240 part. And, and that I don't think that 667 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,920 your journal should ever make you feel less about yourself. 668 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,840 Like that's not a happy place to be in. 669 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,760 So I don't give it that kind of expectation of like, you must 670 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,000 touch this every single day, otherwise you're not a real 671 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,440 bullet journal, you're fraud kind of a thing. 672 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,240 We don't want that. All right, Jess, this is 673 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,840 something that I'm going to manifest out into the world for 674 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,760 you because I think we all need this at some point. 675 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,400 If you had the possibility of making a seasonal collection or 676 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,640 just a collection as a whole with Archer and Olive, what do 677 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,400 you think you would make it? I have two ideas. 678 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,720 First one would be that would be like science related. 679 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,160 So we're thinking like conical flasks, bakers test tubes, round 680 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,840 bottom flasks kind of things. Maybe like I know NA double 681 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,320 Helix kind of stuff like, I don't know, physics symbol or 682 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,040 whatever. That would be kind of fun. 683 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,240 That would be kind of cool. Maybe like, you know, chemical 684 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,920 symbol for caffeine and stuff, because everybody loves a coffee 685 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,200 except for me. Sounds of things, whatever. 686 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,080 I have this caffeine and Coke 0 accounts. 687 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,040 So that would be one idea very kind of like sciency based and 688 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,880 then the other idea would be like epic fantasy based. 689 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,600 So I'm thinking like I know your travel pack and maps and like 690 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,200 swords and Dragons, that kind of stuff like that would be a 691 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,720 really cool collection. I mean, we all know that you 692 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,600 already had a collection with Orchard Olive. 693 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,440 Would you do anything differently if you were to do it 694 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,680 again or? I'm not going to lie to you, 695 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,360 Jess, I've thought about this a lot because I had such a good 696 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,080 experience doing that with them. The thought of doing that again 697 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,520 makes me really excited. I would bring back all the 698 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,520 special features of my journal, like the smart Marks and some of 699 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,000 those other pieces I put in there. 700 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,320 I would probably just refine a little bit. 701 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,360 I would make the page numbers a little bit darker. 702 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,600 I felt like they were a little bit light. 703 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,640 But you know, I don't want to make anyone super mad, but still 704 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,880 make it helpful. But the cover, I would love to 705 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,280 design another cover. It was so much fun coming up 706 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,440 with that. And I did the video when I 707 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,040 talked about that where I talked about all my other ideas, like I 708 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,400 have a lot of other ideas that I would love to execute for a 709 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960 different journal like that. Maybe some like Bauhaus or 710 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,440 something a little bit closer to that. 711 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360 I think my design was close to that, but not 100%. 712 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,880 I would just like to do more with it. 713 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,880 So that's that's how I would roll, I think. 714 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,560 I would I'd be keen to say it. I've been thinking about how I'm 715 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,480 going to use my marked notebook and because of the page numbers 716 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,760 I was considering using it for my like long term collections 717 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,800 journal. Maybe because that one's one 718 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,080 where I do usually go and number the pages anyway because things 719 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,640 aren't necessarily in chronal logical order to be seen. 720 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,960 I make no promises, but that is what I'm currently considering. 721 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,000 All righty. Next question was what is the 722 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,880 number one feature of your current bullet journal that 723 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,400 helps you with your productivity? 724 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,520 Mine's going to be real simple. It's having my task and my notes 725 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,880 just together on one page. So I kind of do a bit of daily 726 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,480 logging I guess, but it's for a weekly view. 727 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,080 I don't write down each and every single date and then have 728 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,200 my task and my notes for that. I have a section of my weekly 729 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,360 that is all for tasks. I just do like a running task 730 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,239 list of anything I have to get done and then I have a separate 731 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,080 notes section where I write down notes for my meetings and 732 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,320 whatnot. Sometimes tasks will show up 733 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,440 there and I'll integrate them in, but having a separate space 734 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,800 for each of those is what helps me the most get those things 735 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,000 done. And then I will say my index is 736 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,159 helpful from our productivity standpoint and kind of 737 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,000 efficiency. Because if I need to find that 738 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,840 information again, specifically if it's a note on a page that's 739 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,800 a weekly, I'll write that inside of my index so I can find it 740 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,120 again quickly versus like trying to remember where that was. 741 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,360 Because this brain doesn't hold on to that type of information 742 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,199 about yourself. What's yours? 743 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,120 Sadly saying it's like it's literally just daily logs. 744 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,560 Like I love my daily logs. It's literally just my, my first 745 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,719 drop point for any kind of information. 746 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,400 It's where I go to get all of my tasks done and stuff. 747 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,679 But if we're going to embellish on that, make it a little bit 748 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,920 more fancy, then I would probably say it would be 749 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,720 priority indicators, which are effectively like little 750 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:05,200 signifiers that I might use beside a particular entry in the 751 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,120 daily log. Just to kind of highlight it as 752 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,280 saying like, hey, this is the thing that needs to get done 753 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,040 first. It kind of just helps me like 754 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,120 hone my focus on that one thing. So it's like when I'm glancing 755 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,800 at the list, hey, this one has like a bright yellow dot next to 756 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,120 it. It's kind of important. 757 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,280 We should probably start there. I think that just having that 758 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,480 kind of like set aside as like priority important highlight for 759 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,440 the day just really helps me get the most out of my daily log 760 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,280 without getting kind of like lost in the weeds of anything 761 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,200 and everything that might end up on there. 762 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,960 That's a really interesting one. I've found that I've kind of 763 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,360 dumped mine down a lot where I'm just putting like an exclamation 764 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,520 point. Now if I know it has to be 765 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,200 really, really important to get done. 766 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,840 I used to try to do like, you know, a little eyeball or like a 767 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,400 little screen if it was like look at this website or do this 768 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,240 thing. Now I just put an exclamation 769 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,880 point or grab a highlighter and be like you need to remember 770 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,720 this and then I make it happen. Yeah, I find that the color 771 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:58,280 helps and make like kind of stand out a little bit more 772 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,920 because I don't typically tend to use a lot of color on my 773 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,640 layouts outside of like the theme. 774 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,920 So, you know, we've got the second line highlights and stuff 775 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,200 that are just there for readability or like, you know, 776 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,920 the colored elements is part of the theme itself in terms of 777 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,600 like titles and decorations or whatever. 778 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,440 So if I pick something that's like theme adjacent so it 779 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,720 doesn't stand out too much and look like hideous, who let this 780 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,840 guy in, it still just helps me kind of like draw my attention 781 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,680 to it. Also, I use exclamation points 782 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,440 for notes rather than a dash. So I'm like out here doing rogue 783 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,200 things with the bullet journal key. 784 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,320 It's interesting you're out there breaking rules, Jessica. 785 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,200 I tell you, it makes me a little bit nervous, but I'm excited 786 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,560 about it and I'm glad it works for you. 787 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,120 I think that's the most important part of this. 788 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,160 So such a good question. Let's ask the audience this 789 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,000 question this week, which is what is your most productive 790 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,680 spread or thing that you do inside of your bullet journal or 791 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,600 your planner that just keeps you moving, keeps you on top of 792 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,680 things? Drop that in the comments for 793 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,200 us. You can leave it as a note for 794 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,960 the podcast if you want. Or of course, you can always 795 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,720 e-mail us Planner Pals podcast@gmail.com or you can 796 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,400 also drop a comment. We'll show a picture we have on 797 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,840 our Instagram at Planter Pals podcast as well. 798 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,840 I'm really eager to hear everybody's thoughts about that 799 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,280 one because I'm always looking for other ways to bring like 800 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,080 more productivity into my productivity system. 801 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,480 And we did try and get to as many questions as we could 802 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,080 invoke this episode and last. So if we didn't quite get to 803 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,880 your question, we do apologize. We're going to have to do 804 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,440 another one of these because you guys have so many good things 805 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,760 that you want to know from us and about the community in 806 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,320 general. If you do have any more 807 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,840 questions, leave them in the comments. 808 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,400 We'll try and get to them as best we can, but otherwise, 809 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,640 Mark, what are we going to be talking about next week? 810 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,360 In our next episode, we're actually going to be talking 811 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,040 more about productivity and productivity methods. 812 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,480 I know justice is a topic that's true and dear to your heart. 813 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,840 You have a lot of great things teed up for that. 814 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,840 I cannot wait to talk about those because I have a handful 815 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,760 as well that just have helped me throughout the years too, that I 816 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,920 use inside of my planner and bullet journal. 817 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,080 So when we come back to you next time, Planner Pals will be 818 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,720 talking all about that. Until then, thanks for hanging 819 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:02,480 out with us today.