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Welcome to the Planner of Hells 
podcast, a podcast hosted by two

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true planner pals. 
My name is Jess or Jessie 

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Curran. 
And I'm Mark and I go by Mark 

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your pages and today's episode 
I've been so excited for for so 

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long. 
It's all about community Q&A 

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questions. 
We got questions from you, our 

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planner pals. 
And Jess and I are going to be 

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answering these questions today.
And Jess, we got so many 

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questions. 
It's, it's amazing. 

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I'm so excited to get into 
today's episode. 

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Yeah, I know, right. 
I was very impressed to see how 

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much people wanted to know and 
also maybe just is a little bit 

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intimidated. 
I can't say that I've gone 

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through all the questions. 
So we're going to be having some

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very off the cuff answers here. 
But hey, you know, that's, 

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that's the thing, right? 
We're giving you our true 

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unfiltered opinions. 
Hopefully it doesn't come out 

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too rambly, especially for 
editing. 

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Mark, Fingers crossed. 
All right. 

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So let's go ahead and get right 
into the question. 

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So our first question is 
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They ask kind of a similar 
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Jess, if you had the chance to 
start over with bull of 

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journaling, knowing what you 
know now, is there anything you 

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would do differently? 
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close, but if you would change 
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your bullet journal channel, is 
there anything you would change 

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and why? 
So I'll let you go with that 

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answer first. 
All righty. 

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Let's start with the bullet 
journal question first, OK? 

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The one thing that I would 
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kind of confine it to one thing,
I would just start in a notebook

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that had what I'm going to call 
better quality paper. 

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Now, that's not to say that the 
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notebook, because it is. 
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I like to plan, I prefer a 
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feel like I would have had a lot
more kind of like joy in my 

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starting kind of bullet journal 
journey if I was just using a 

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notebook that had thicker paper.
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wasn't as popular back then, so 
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the Lt. 1917, but that would be 
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What would be your one for 
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For bullet journaling, I think 
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differently is I would have 
tried to explore my own style 

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first. 
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journal was just kind of 
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seen online, which wasn't 
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just felt like that's what we 
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So I would have spent a lot more
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bullet journal for what I needed
versus what I thought I needed. 

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No, that's a great point. 
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journal is effectively like, is 
this just boho Berry from New 

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Zealand? 
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What would be your change about 
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creating esque kind of side of 
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So I think what I would have 
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have brought myself to my 
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So when I first started YouTube 
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half, it was strictly just my 
bullet journal because I was one

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a bit nervous about being on 
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in front of a camera before. 
My background has always been in

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radio and radio production. 
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but the face and showing and 
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But once I did that, I realized 
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It was a really just a learning 
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and got better as I went along. 
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insecurities and uncertainties 
early on, that's what helped me 

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it, I haven't turned back. 
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How about yourself? 
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being able to like tell past 
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breath. 
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thing out. 
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to like cut pieces out. 
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But I found that like trying to 
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recording of my voice and stuff,
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And like, I'm, I still want to 
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And that's why I record things 
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But listening back to the way 
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used to take these like really 
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them out. 
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rabid noise, I swear, like at 
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But I think that, yeah, that's 
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get over time, like as you build
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confidence or whatever. 
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bringing yourself to your 
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build community, and that's how 
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mentioned about doing those 
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I still if I get through a video
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intro, I get to a point I'll re 
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and I've gotten to the end of 
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through because I basically 
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Just it's just a part of my 
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It's always such a pain though 
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thing isn't like by choice. 
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to like turn my light on 
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misaligned or the microphone 
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Just it's like, like you said, 
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So it usually goes smoother the 
second time, but you miss all of

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those like really kind of 
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stuff. 
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on for the camera because I have
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Yeah, there's a lot of movie 
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these YouTube videos, that for 
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We had a couple of questions 
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figured we'd put one here at the
start, and we had one question 

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in particular about the best 
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fountain pens. 
Fountain pen for a newbie, What 

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would be your like snippet 
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starter? 
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all say that I'm so excited. 
First of all, she came to us, 

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your planner pals, to ask that 
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I would say that if you're just 
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best thing for you to do is to 
find like a good medium starter 

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pen. 
And I would say that's in a 

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budget, anywhere between 15 to 
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Let's put it in there because 
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that are a lot less expensive 
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find yourself a nice extra fine 
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Those are probably a very common
one to find and pick out one 

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standard ink, go black. 
Just just start with black ink 

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and use that pen for a little 
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pen and practicing with that 
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because that's what's going to 
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confidence to start exploring a 
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fine or fine because that kind 
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millimeter .5mm is kind of 
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of there, but that's what we're 
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So don't get into like anything 
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that just yet and just find a 
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interesting looking, maybe a 
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go crazy and buy a really 
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I think that's really where you 
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start to play around with a 
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I would say some really great 
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don't want to like get into 
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the Pilot Kokunos are really 
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They're just a little plastic 
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It comes with a cartridge. 
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fountain pen that you get to 
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So that gets you kind of right 
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We talked in our previous 
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Twisby makes a really good just 
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There's nothing to take apart. 
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and it has a little twist on the
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inside of it and it's just very 
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then go and use it. 
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start to build out your 
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I actually just got three pens 
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excited about. 
So I'm not going to talk about 

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them now though. 
Well, what I don't get to have 

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any two cents in this, but if I 
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Fountain Pendam, it would be Get
your friend to buy it for you. 

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Get your best planner pal to buy
you your first. 

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Fountain pen. 
That's right. 

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And I liked your pen so much 
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really cool blue color. 
So yeah, get a friend to buy it.

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Ask a friend if you don't know, 
find a friend. 

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Or you always have us. 
We're always here for you if you

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have any questions about 
fountain pens. 

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Mark more than Jess because she 
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You know what? 
I'm just happy that you still 

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have it and that you use it 
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That's, that's, that just makes 
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Yes, it has a pride spot in my 
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it's obviously very special 
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be in the everyday pencil case. 
Even though I like don't use it 

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very often because it's got like
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use that in my planner. 
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Like that's the main the main 
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pencil case. 
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clean out that ink. 
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I think it's time if you just 
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up so you'd actually use it. 
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platinum black one and 
everyone's like, it's gonna stay

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in your pen, don't put it in 
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And I'm just like, I'm so 
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I just cleaned out my pen that 
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months. 
It did not stay in my pen. 

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So you'll be OK or buy another 
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I have 100,000. 
I can send you more samples if 

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you want. 
I don't even know where to keep 

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my regular samples. 
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like how to store supplies. 
And I'm just like, I am not your

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person because because I swear 
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We'll figure it out. 
I've got 1000 different ways to 

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do the same thing because I keep
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All right, so let's go ahead and
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This is 1 I feel like we hear 
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you answer this one first. 
The question is Nate, the top 

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reason why you think people have
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say that it doesn't actually 
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I think that probably one of the
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probably be because they're 
trying to like mimic what they 

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see online without putting in 
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is actually something that's 
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resonate with them. 
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into bullet journaling just 
thinking like it's all about the

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artistry of it and making 
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that. 
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journal can't look that way. 
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this is how it has to look, then
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bullet journal burnout, almost 
just feeling like, oh, what's 

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the point? 
Like spending all of this time, 

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effort, energy setting up these 
beautiful and elaborate spreads 

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and they're not using them. 
So I think that my big one would

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probably be people not 
necessarily setting up their 

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journal in a way that works for 
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That kind of makes sense. 
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that one? 
I don't know if I made this up. 

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I feel like I did, but maybe 
someone else said it before I 

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did. 
This idea of working in your 

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planner and making it work for 
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have to work for your planner or
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I feel like we get so caught up 
in the way that the rules are 

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set out with bullet journaling 
that you feel like if you don't 

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follow it exactly how it's been 
written, exactly how it's been 

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kind of laid out there, how 
others might use it, that 

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therefore you're doing it wrong.
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get overwhelmed by that. 
They have put a lot of pressure 

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on themselves to do that. 
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that pendulum though, is people 
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kind of this chaos journal in a 
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it really is like learning the 
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and then finding out how it 
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feeling like you always have to 
like fit the mold of somebody or

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something else. 
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just like that system doesn't 
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is going to be like 100% 
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deal. 
Some people just prefer to have 

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things in a preprinted planner. 
I mean like you can bullet 

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journal in a preprinted planner.
Like if you can bullet journal 

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in any notebook, then why not 
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But I think that thinking about 
like other planning systems that

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are out there and available, 
some of them are just going to 

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gel better with like the way 
that people like to structure 

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their lives, their days, how 
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accessible they like to have 
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stuff. 
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style just doesn't really work 
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else out there that does. 
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deal with something kind of 
taking up more space than you 

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allowed for it? 
This happens a lot to me, 

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especially with lettering 
because I'll start where I'm 

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like, I have all this space that
you get to like the last four 

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letters and you're like, there's
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So something that I do, which I 
will just take a creative 

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license here is I'll just drop 
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second line and it looks artsy 
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I think that something I do 
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doesn't happen to me is I 
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mark things out on my page 
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intricate or if I know I'm using
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something like that. 
I want to make sure it's going 

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to fit well because if I start 
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and doesn't fit, I'm not going 
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So I really try to avoid it when
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me. 
So I just take a little creative

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license and do something 
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If I if I have more space than I
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sticker or just color in a 
square something and be like 

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it's meant to be here. 
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from here. 
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titles or decoration or anything
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pencil first, the way to go. 
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like you've, I don't know, set 
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something and you're adding all 
of your entries and then you get

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to the last couple entries and 
there's not space for it in 

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there. 
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that. 
One of them is if there's only a

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small number of stuff that needs
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warrant setting up a whole 
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And that would be something like
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just like a separate piece of 
paper that you stick in on one 

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side. 
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kind of flap that you can have 
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Add a bit of extra information, 
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The other option would literally
just be setting up another page 

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for it. 
Like if I feel like there are 

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going to be many, many more 
entries that I want to make to 

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this collection, if I have a lot
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write down about that, then I 
will just turn to the next 

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available page in the notebook 
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What you can then do to make it 
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that layout is something that 
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effectively at the bottom of the
first layout, write down the 

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page number for the next 
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like where is the next place you
should look in your notebook to 

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find the rest of those entries. 
Super smart tips there. 

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Tip ends. 
Oh, see what I did there? 

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All right, let's get into our 
next question here. 

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This one is for you, Jess. 
And I think that you're best to 

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answer this question because 
I've actually never planned 

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beyond the week that I'm 
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So this question is how do you 
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This person specifically will 
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way too far in advance. 
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they get there. 
I don't know if they're just not

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as creatively fulfilled with it 
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already done. 
Therefore, like I don't have to 

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do anything. 
Yeah, no, I can completely 

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understand that. 
Especially if you're kind of 

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like it's gonna be a busy season
or something and you wanna get 

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into your planner early and set 
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And I know that we have some 
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setting up like months in 
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April, like, Oh yeah, I'm 
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And I'm just like, wow, okay, 
dedication, typically speaking 

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for that kind of like creative 
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typically would try to find 
something outside of bullet 

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journaling for that. 
So for me and my friends, that's

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usually like event planning. 
So we'll plan like a reading 

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retreat day or something where 
we can kind of expend some 

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creative energy into that or 
maybe host a cocktail evening 

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that's themed or something like 
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That's a lot of fun. 
If you want to keep it paper 

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based though, my biggest way to 
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Youtubing because I make a whole
bunch of layouts all the time 

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just to feature on the channel 
and they're not there for me to 

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actually use. 
Like we recently had a video 

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that was 100 different things 
you can put into your reading 

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journal. 
And I am certainly not going to 

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be using all of those, but I 
like to set them up so people 

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actually have an example that 
they can play around with. 

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A lot of my time, effort, energy
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So that's one way to do it. 
I guess you could also get into 

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like card making, like it's kind
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They're like adjacent kind of 
things. 

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They're still paper crafting, 
still use a lot of supplies that

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you probably probably already 
have, but they don't necessarily

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take up space in your bullet 
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that point where you've set up a
month like many, many months in 

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advance and now you don't really
like or kind of gel with what 

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you've got in there. 
I really like that idea of 

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having that. 
You call it an Rd. journal, and 

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I call it the same thing as 
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journal where you kind of plan 
out and try out things before 

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you bring it into your regular 
bullet journal. 

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I think it's a really great way 
to be creative and be open and 

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less constrained. 
Feeling like it has to to be 

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perfect because the purpose of 
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So I really love that idea. 
Even if you don't create a 

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YouTube channel on it, having an
extra notebook, we all have 

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extra notebooks. 
Great use of time and that 

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creative energy too. 
It's a really good one. 

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All have extra notebooks. 
What are you talking about? 

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I have no extra notebooks. 
Jess, I think you actually 

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surpassed me in your last video.
You did account. 

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I've been really good about not 
buying anymore. 

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I just keep getting them as part
of like subscription boxes and 

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like Halloween boxes and stuff. 
Whatever Archer and I love puts 

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out the new collection I need at
least one of. 

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But yeah, you've now surpassed 
me, so congratulations, I'm no 

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longer the weirdo hoarder of 
notebooks you are. 

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No reigning champion? 
Probably not. 

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There are probably other people 
out there who have a wider 

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notebook collection than me, but
one literally just arrived in 

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the mail today as well and it's 
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But it is also an Lt. 1917, so 
it's probably just going to be a

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shelf trophy. 
But that's fine. 

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It's gorgeous. 
Another bullet journaling 

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question we have was what do you
think the best way to start 

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bullet journaling is and how to 
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What are your tips, Mark? 
Absolutely. 

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So my best tip is the best way 
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just to start bullet journaling.
So I kind of mentioned that 

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previous question is learn the 
rules, understand the method and

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how it works and set up a bullet
journal. 

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And I think the most important 
thing, and in the new bullet 

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journal notebooks, they have a 
page dedicated to this. 

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Now, at first I was kind of like
that. 

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I don't think I like this, but I
love it. 

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Now, what is your intention for 
this notebook? 

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What are you trying to achieve 
and what are you trying to do in

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that? 
So for myself, as a great 

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example is when I started my 
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knew that I wanted to work on 
three main things. 

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The first is I wanted to work on
my handwriting because I was 

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really trying to find style that
I liked and I've always loved, 

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like architects handwriting, 
which is basically in all caps. 

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And my dad actually wrote on all
caps growing up and I didn't 

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know that I could write in all 
caps because you're always told 

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in school to write a certain 
way. 

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So I gave myself permission to 
do it and I've loved doing. 

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It was very weird to get 
started. 

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But now I can't write in regular
sentence case anymore. 

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It doesn't work. 
I also wanted to focus on grids.

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I have a design background and I
really love grids and layout and

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especially with bullet journal. 
And it made a lot of sense. 

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So understanding different ways 
that I could work on the page, 

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set up different boxes and make 
that workout, that was really 

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important for me. 
And the third thing was also 

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just finding ways to do that to 
support work. 

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So I use my bullet journal 
almost exclusively for work 

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every single day, every single 
week. 

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And I needed it to work for that
reason. 

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And I was able to really build 
my own look and feel and needs 

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over time. 
And it is almost kind of like a 

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template in a way. 
Now I have specific things that 

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I need on my pages and I'll add 
extra stuff in, but that was my 

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goal. 
So I think finding something 

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that you want to work on or 
improve on specifically 

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creatively. 
If you want to try to get into 

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more hand lettering or you want 
to try different colors or 

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materials, like give yourself 
kind of a challenge in a way to 

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use certain tools and get used 
to them and find fun ways to do 

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that. 
And then that way you have a 

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function bullet journal because 
you understand what's happening,

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but you also get to add in those
little bits of creativity and 

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have fun with it as well. 
No, I would agree with that. 

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I like the idea of starting with
purpose first. 

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Like that's something that I 
very much believe in, whether it

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be for your journaling or 
effectively any kind of 

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endeavor. 
But I like the idea in terms of 

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like developing creatively is 
kind of leaning a little bit 

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into mimicry Now. 
We kind of touched on this 

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before. 
We shouldn't necessarily mimic 

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exactly what we say in other 
people's journals, otherwise you

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end up with the gratitude log 
with somebody else's partner's 

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name on it anyways. 
But in terms of like those 

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creative kind of styles that you
see online and stuff, if that's 

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kind of part of your purpose for
journaling is to be creative, 

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develop your creativity, leaning
into a little bit of kind of a 

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copy, you know, artistic copying
can be a really good way to up 

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your skills, can be a very good 
way to get comfortable with 

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different kind of designs rather
than trying out of the kind of 

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like, you know, very first page,
reinvent the wheel and. 

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Find yourself in creativity and 
all of that. 

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I've watched watching somebody 
at some point who said like one 

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of the creative projects that 
they did was to redraw the same 

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thing every single day until 
they found their creative style.

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Not necessarily saying that you 
want to do the exact same thing 

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on every single page of your 
notebook, but because that kind 

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of process of finding your own 
style with your creativity can 

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take a lot of time when you're 
just starting out. 

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A good way to go about it is 
just a kind of copy what you see

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online. 
All right, Jess. 

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So our next question is coming 
from our good friend Julia. 

452
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,040
Julia here or Valor Vanity, 
depending where you're looking 

453
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,640
at her on social media. 
Her question is, what has been 

454
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,960
the most unexpected part of your
planner stationary journey? 

455
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,440
Then I made it my career. 
Probably when I first started, 

456
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,680
it wasn't really the 
expectation, but yeah, because 

457
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,360
when I first started it was just
trying to organize, teach your 

458
00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:07,120
life and getting everything done
in all the different areas of 

459
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,720
life and stuff. 
And I did not expect when I 

460
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,080
started that it would become my 
full time job. 

461
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,160
I just had to say, first of all,
I love that it has become that. 

462
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,720
I think most people who start 
with bullet journaling in this 

463
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,320
creative content creation space,
that's always something people 

464
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,840
ask. 
And it's just like, oh, when are

465
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,640
you going to do that full time? 
And I'm always just very happy 

466
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,840
for you that you did it because 
I know it doesn't always work 

467
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,080
for everyone, but I don't think 
you could mentally allow that to

468
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,720
happen. 
And you just do such a good job 

469
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,760
at it. 
So I think that my most 

470
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:40,760
unexpected part of this journey 
so far, honestly, has been the 

471
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:46,200
opportunity to go to a planner 
conference and and host a a 

472
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,200
thing. 
And people like know who I am. 

473
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,840
So go wild. 
This year was an amazing thing, 

474
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,080
not just from the fact that I 
went also being sponsored by 

475
00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,680
Zebra USA and like going there 
with them and creating this and 

476
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,600
like meeting people and doing 
all that. 

477
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,560
Never in my life that I think 
I'd be like, hey, I have to take

478
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,320
off work because I'm being 
sponsored by a company to go to 

479
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,520
a planner conference to like 
talk about this thing that I 

480
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,680
just do every day regardless. 
So that for me has been the most

481
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,640
amazing thing. 
I think about it all the time. 

482
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,920
Every day I have my little meet 
mark for mark your pages thing 

483
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,200
that was on the table when I had
my meet and greet. 

484
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,120
And every day I smile and I look
at it, I'm just like, damn, that

485
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,200
happened. 
Yeah, I always watch scrolling 

486
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,320
back to her Instagram the other 
day for I don't even know what 

487
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,120
reason and got to the picture of
you at the what the booth or the

488
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,840
table at the top, like telling 
us about the new pens and stuff 

489
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,440
and it looks like you're DJ ING 
the time of your life. 

490
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,600
It was great. 
It was a great experience 

491
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,120
getting to be there like, you 
know, not just for you, but also

492
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,040
kind of for you. 
Like I was very proud Mama 

493
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,400
moment for anybody who wasn't 
there and didn't see me. 

494
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,480
I was like down the bottom, like
the lady from Mean Girls, like 

495
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,080
like recording, taking the 
pictures, being like living my 

496
00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:00,120
best life. 
It was really cool. 

497
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,720
No, I'm so grateful that you did
that because you know, we are 

498
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,760
teams of one. 
We don't have an assistant, we 

499
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,080
don't have anyone else. 
So we really do rely on each 

500
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,880
other in real life to be like, 
hey, can you record this for me?

501
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,000
Because I'm up here doing a 
thing like I can't do it myself 

502
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,080
like I usually do. 
Yeah, just like pause and be 

503
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,120
like, guys, I just need to whip 
my phone out to record some 

504
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,160
content. 
Like can you just wait a second?

505
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,240
Yeah, everything is content. 
Everything is content. 

506
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,520
So this one was kind of a cool 
question because it was like a 

507
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,400
marrying of bullet journaling 
and fountain pen kind of stuff. 

508
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,280
But I'm going to read it word 
for word, so bear with me. 

509
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,720
If your bullet journal was a 
fountain pen, which ink and pen 

510
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,560
body you have? 
That's a really fun question. 

511
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,840
So my fountain pen, and I don't 
have one of these in my 

512
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,080
collection yet, but there are 
fountain pens that are like 

513
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,440
really, really wide, like really
thick boys. 

514
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Everything I have is like very 
small and like a regular 

515
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,480
fountain pen, but there are some
just like monster ones. 

516
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,120
I feel like that would be my 
bullet journal because I always 

517
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,560
have like a square bullet 
journal or I've really fall in 

518
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,320
love with like B5 like these 
bigger journals now. 

519
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,160
So like that would be it. 
My ink would be black, 

520
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,160
blue-green color shift, a 
magical ink that just kind of 

521
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,000
switches between colors 
depending on my mood. 

522
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,840
I really love black ink just 
because that's just the 

523
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,560
beautiful thing to have on page.
But I also really fallen in love

524
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,480
with like green inks recently as
well over the past year. 

525
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,000
And I just love the way they 
look and it works out so well. 

526
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,560
So if I could like mix both of 
those things together in a way 

527
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,920
that like allowed it to easily 
like give a little bit of ink at

528
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,400
a time, look really cool on the 
page, I think that would 

529
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,160
perfectly describe my bullet 
journal, my pen, which is going 

530
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,000
to be a thick boy, and then this
weird cool mixing of inks. 

531
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,120
So how about you, Jess? 
If it couldn't be Iris because 

532
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,640
she's beautiful, she's gorgeous,
she's the moment, all right. 

533
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,600
If it could not be her, then I'd
need something that was like a 

534
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,840
dark purple kind of color. 
I think in terms of like the pen

535
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,440
body, medium nib, because it 
seems to be the middle of the 

536
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,120
pitch and that's kind of what a 
5 is like the average. 

537
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,520
And I think that in terms of the
ink, it would be like a kind of 

538
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,720
dark purple, but dark to the 
point of almost being black. 

539
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,040
And it would have to have some 
kind of like shimmer in it, 

540
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,760
maybe holographic. 
I don't know if that even 

541
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,360
exists, but that's what it would
be. 

542
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,280
Seriously, I've thought about 
custom making inks. 

543
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,480
Well, not custom making inks, 
but custom mixing inks and 

544
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,880
trying to do that. 
I don't know how to do that, but

545
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,040
I will figure it out and I'll 
make you a perfect color 

546
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,920
shifting ink and find you a 
purple pen that's easy to do. 

547
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,720
All right, I would ask this 
question, Jess, even though it 

548
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,160
was supposed to be me answering 
this because I want to know your

549
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,640
perspective on this because I 
don't know if my recollection is

550
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,400
actually correct. 
This is a great question and it 

551
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,560
was absolutely love the podcast.
I want to know how you two met. 

552
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,200
It just seems like you've been 
BFFS forever. 

553
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,440
The reason I assigned this to 
you is because like I couldn't 

554
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:06,000
remember. 
I do remember so I have an 

555
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000
answer to this, but I want to 
know what yours is. 

556
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:12,080
The reason that we met, in 
theory, was because somebody set

557
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,360
up a group chat in the way 
backwards of Instagram where 

558
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,560
engagement pods were like more 
of a thing, kind of a thing. 

559
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,880
Effectively, you just get a 
bunch of your friends who are 

560
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720
kind of in the same niche, or 
maybe not even add them all to a

561
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,720
chat. 
And then anytime somebody posted

562
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,960
a photo or like, yeah, we've 
been a photo, there were no 

563
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,400
videos back then. 
Reels, what is that? 

564
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,560
But anytime you posted, you'd 
share it to that group and then 

565
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,000
everybody in the group would go 
and jump onto that picture and 

566
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,080
give an engagement. 
It was kind of like one of the 

567
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,440
hacks quote quote back in the 
day for being able to grow your 

568
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,200
engagement. 
We didn't really use it for that

569
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,360
so much. 
I think that was kind of like 

570
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,680
the start off intention and then
it just became like just general

571
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,520
bands and chill. 
But I think that in terms of 

572
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,240
actually like becoming friends, 
it was probably Ericas fault, I 

573
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,960
think, yeah. 
And Erica, if you don't know 

574
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,800
her, is crafter nated. 
She's in Instagram, YouTube. 

575
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,480
She's a very good planner friend
as well. 

576
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,120
She's a we love her. 
But I think that she was really 

577
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,560
the reason that I kind of 
probably started interacting 

578
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,280
with you more. 
Am I wrong? 

579
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,560
Were you in that engagement pot 
at first? 

580
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,000
I don't remember if you were or 
not. 

581
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,560
You were. 
OK, That's OK. 

582
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,080
So there's an example of like, 
no, the reason. 

583
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:27,000
So let me tell you why I don't 
remember because I was at that 

584
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,320
point on itty bitty little tiny 
bullet journal account, right? 

585
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,520
I was, I don't even know, under 
5000, maybe only 2000, maybe not

586
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,440
even 1500. 
I just remember it was like 

587
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,640
walking into a room of 
celebrities. 

588
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,080
That's how it felt to me. 
I was in this room with all 

589
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,560
these other bullet journal 
accounts that had 2530 forty 

590
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:53,720
75,000 followers and I was like,
I'm sorry, why am I like I'm 

591
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,120
here because I don't really 
know. 

592
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,080
And I just remember being like, 
Oh my gosh, I have to perform. 

593
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,320
It was a mess. 
And I'm like a Chatty Cathy. 

594
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,200
So like we were asking other 
things. 

595
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,800
I was getting to know people as 
I do. 

596
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,120
And then eventually the people 
who were a part of that 

597
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,560
engagement chat were like, I 
think we need to have a separate

598
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,840
one. 
And then they moved it to the 

599
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,400
side or whatever else. 
But Erica was another one that 

600
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,080
like you guys were friends or 
chatting more and then somehow 

601
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,120
we got connected. 
And then I think it was just 

602
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,560
like, Jess is actually really 
cool and she has the same weird 

603
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,400
sense of humor that I do. 
That's why I think we vibe so 

604
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,120
well. 
I'm going to add Jess to this 

605
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,200
other really crazy chat that we 
have too. 

606
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,720
I think he had fitted well here 
and it was just, that was just 

607
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,560
something that just worked. 
And then from there, it's funny 

608
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,760
because I've always remember 
seeing your content obviously 

609
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,880
being on YouTube. 
You were like one of the top 

610
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,600
Youtubers that I was following 
at the time as well. 

611
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,560
And like seeing how you were 
doing things on Instagram and 

612
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,640
YouTube and all of that too. 
So it was very interesting to me

613
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,280
because I was just like, this 
girl's a celebrity. 

614
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,360
Like she's really like has this 
huge cult following and I'm the 

615
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,960
Oh my gosh. 
And then from there, I think 

616
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,840
once I got over the celebrity, 
the starstruckness of it and I 

617
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,240
was like, Jess is just a really 
cool, fun person and I 

618
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,120
absolutely love her personality.
It's so fun. 

619
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,200
We're going to be friends. 
And then from there it's just 

620
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,280
been building on that ever 
since, just doing more stuff 

621
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,520
together and actually getting to
meet each other when I did my 

622
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,200
little stop by at the DC go 
wild. 

623
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,320
And then just knowing that 
you're going to be at the Dallas

624
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,840
one too and like that whole fun 
thing. 

625
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,960
It just, it's been awesome. 
And then, yeah, I don't know if 

626
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,600
there's a question on here about
how we got this podcast started,

627
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,520
but essentially I had my other 
podcast I was doing by myself 

628
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,480
and that was very lonely. 
And Jess was a guest, my first 

629
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,560
and only guest on the Hobbyist 
Hangout podcast. 

630
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,280
And everyone was like, you guys,
this just works. 

631
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,320
I love the banter. 
I love the chatting. 

632
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,240
And then I was just like, I 
can't keep up on my own. 

633
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,200
It's a lot to do a podcast by 
yourself. 

634
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,720
And I was like, Jess would be a 
really cool person to do this 

635
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,520
with. 
Like I was just telling Jess 

636
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,360
right before we started this one
that her brain works a little 

637
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,520
bit differently than mine in the
best ways. 

638
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,680
I've always had people in my 
life where I'm kind of like, 

639
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,120
over here, ideas, things like in
the moment. 

640
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,960
And then I have another really 
good friend that's like, OK, 

641
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,320
hey, Mark, let's go ahead and 
organize that. 

642
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,160
Let's make a plan on how we're 
going to execute on that. 

643
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,320
And I need that of my life. 
And Jess has always been that 

644
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,520
person. 
So I'm very thankful that you 

645
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,440
still want to work with me in 
this capacity after all this 

646
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,200
time. 
But it's always just been a 

647
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,840
super cool thing. 
It just works is. 

648
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,560
This the awkward moment where I 
say I'm leaving goodbye, like 

649
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,160
now. 
This is actually our labs 

650
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,200
podcast together because Jess is
sick of my crap. 

651
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,480
What? 
I also, I loved her to go wild. 

652
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,520
Anytime people like, wow, Mark's
so cool. 

653
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,080
Like I wish my partner was so 
supportive of my hobbies and 

654
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,560
stuff. 
I'm like, yeah, you need to ask 

655
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,720
his wife because she probably 
wouldn't say the same shit. 

656
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,120
She's like, he's a menace. 
Yeah, very annoyed by me being 

657
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,800
like hey, I have to go record a 
a random podcast don't get paid 

658
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520
for and go record some YouTube 
videos. 

659
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,720
Thankfully, Vogel doesn't mind. 
He's just like, hey, I'm going 

660
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,360
to be having a meeting at this 
time today. 

661
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,560
Is that OK? 
I'm like, no, I'm recording the 

662
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:19,880
podcast. 
You must reschedule. 

663
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,720
OK, I didn't tell him to 
reschedule that meeting. 

664
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,440
But still, I heard him like 
sneaking out of his office 

665
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,480
because we started like an half 
hour before I told him we were 

666
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,520
going to. 
And he's just like, sorry, like 

667
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,480
sneaking away. 
But it's nice to hear how you 

668
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680
kind of remember the what 
journey of our friendship. 

669
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200
I feel like I need to scroll 
back all the way back in the 

670
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,120
chat and figure out how how 
these things went down because 

671
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,760
my memory does not served me 
well. 

672
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,840
It doesn't matter. 
The big thing is that we got to 

673
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,400
where we are now and we're 
killing it. 

674
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,920
That's all that matters. 
Keeping on the topic of Planner 

675
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,080
Pals, we did have a question as 
to whether we were ever gonna 

676
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,520
have a Planner Pals made-up. 
What do you reckon? 

677
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:01,160
I mean, I would love to, I just 
don't know how when like any of 

678
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,840
those things like just lives on 
the other side of the world from

679
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,200
me. 
Literally it is tomorrow my time

680
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,800
for her right now. 
It would have to be at some type

681
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,600
of event or something. 
And I feel like we'd have to mix

682
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,240
it in to something like go wild 
or something like that. 

683
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,840
You know, if we've got like 
sponsored from a podcast 

684
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,400
perspective to go do a thing, I 
would love to to do something 

685
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,680
like that or do what you did at 
this last one. 

686
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,120
You planned a whole separate 
meet up outside of all of that 

687
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,960
on your own, and people came and
hung out with you. 

688
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,840
I mean, maybe we could do 
something like that, but other 

689
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,280
than that I really honestly 
don't know how else in the hell 

690
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,360
we would ever make that happen. 
I don't even know who it was. 

691
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,200
It was some brand who reached 
out to me a little bit ago 

692
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,520
saying like, oh, hey, we want 
to, you know, plan a travel 

693
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,960
experience for you and your 
followers, community, whatever. 

694
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,480
And like, it sounds really cool,
but I was just like, I'm not in 

695
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,000
the right headspace to do this 
right now. 

696
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,680
I have so many other things 
going on. 

697
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,680
Please hold caller. 
But I've been tempted to go back

698
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,280
to the me like, OK, so like 
logistically, what would that 

699
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,400
look like? 
Because maybe we could plan like

700
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,320
a plan a retreat type of thing. 
I don't know what locations they

701
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,000
offer. 
I don't know what packages they 

702
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,000
offer, I have no idea about 
anything at all, but it sounds 

703
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,040
cool. 
So maybe one day you shouldn't 

704
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,960
sip off. 
But yeah, probably between now 

705
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,520
and then. 
It would just be like any time 

706
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,200
if I managed to make it to go 
wild and you're there as well. 

707
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Just like a little side gig type
thing, like hey guys, we're 

708
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,600
gonna meet at this eatery and 
hang out for a bit. 

709
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,680
Come, come along if you're in 
the area. 

710
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,440
I mean, we technically could do 
something with this podcast if 

711
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,920
we wanted to. 
I know that the platform that we

712
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,320
use allows for audience members.
So I don't know if anybody would

713
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,600
want to deal with our unedited 
version of us talking and going 

714
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,400
through this podcast because 
there's a lot of editing that we

715
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,600
do on the back end. 
But I mean, that could be 

716
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,360
something too. 
We want to do something 

717
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,160
virtually. 
Maybe that could be a great 

718
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,280
first step. 
I don't know. 

719
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,520
I love it when people ask like, 
oh, when do these podcasts go 

720
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,320
live? 
And I'm like, they are not live 

721
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,600
for a very good reason. 
The editing is necessary. 

722
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,560
Yeah, when we talk about how 
much we edit ourselves in our 

723
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,320
YouTube video, imagine having a 
back and forth conversation with

724
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,880
somebody and talking about 
random subjects that you haven't

725
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,719
scripted out necessarily like we
do for our videos. 

726
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Yeah, quite a quite a time. 
And it's like what in terms of 

727
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,560
the actual recording of the 
podcast, we give ourselves like 

728
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,800
an hour or something. 
Very often we go over like 

729
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,480
pretty much every single time, 
this time included. 

730
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,880
And then after that, it's like 
trim it all down, OK? 

731
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,880
Now it's 45 minutes, it's more 
manageable. 

732
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,600
But yeah, I don't think anybody 
would. 

733
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,400
Well, there's probably somebody 
who would get a kick out of 

734
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,040
seeing the unedited version, but
I don't think that that's 

735
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,120
necessarily something we're 
going to do at this stage. 

736
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,679
Let us know in the comments and 
feedback like if that's 

737
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,560
something you would like. 
I mean if people want it, I'll 

738
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,320
give it to them. 
Just gotta play the. 

739
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,520
People what they want. 
All right, this is another kind 

740
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,240
of bullet journal planning 
question, and we've gotten this 

741
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:00,800
a good amount. 
I think I actually did a video 

742
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,880
on this one myself, and you 
probably have as well. 

743
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,440
The question is, how do you get 
over a journal rut, especially 

744
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,800
when you're bored with your 
bullet journal and you just 

745
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,440
don't want to keep using it 
because you don't like it? 

746
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,880
Part of the reason that I 
struggle with ruts so much is 

747
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,760
because I'm stubborn. 
And oftentimes if I'm in a 

748
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,240
journal rut, it's usually like 
middle of the month or like 

749
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:21,760
possibly even the start of the 
month. 

750
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,640
And I've already set up my kind 
of, you know, start of month 

751
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,800
pages and stuff and I've 
established my theme and I'm the

752
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,160
kind of person who likes to have
the same theme throughout the 

753
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,720
month. 
Took me a while to get there, 

754
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,600
but I like it when things are 
match matchy. 

755
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,360
Same, same kind of a thing. 
So then if I'm feeling kind of 

756
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,200
rutted, is that a word? 
It probably doesn't mean what I 

757
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,280
think it does. 
Whatever. 

758
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,560
If I'm in a rut, like Oh no, 
don't use words that you don't 

759
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,480
understand, you will make a fool
of yourself. 

760
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,960
But if I am in a rut and it's 
the middle of a month, usually I

761
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,840
just grin and bear it until the 
next month. 

762
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,440
Not necessarily the best way to 
actually get the most of your 

763
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,640
journaling, both in terms of 
like no purpose and joy, which 

764
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,560
sometimes is the same thing. 
But sometimes if need be, I will

765
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,240
just start again, like make the 
month again. 

766
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,160
You know? 
If especially it's the start of 

767
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,000
the month and things just aren't
vibing, I will scrap what I've 

768
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,920
done and start over. 
The thing is like, I'm not too 

769
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,560
precious nowadays about using up
pages in my journal if they like

770
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,120
don't get completed or filled 
out or whatever. 

771
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Because like, if you haven't 
noticed, I have quite a few 

772
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,480
notebooks, so I'm not going to 
run out of space. 

773
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,840
But I know that's not 
necessarily viable for everybody

774
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,080
to do. 
But any kind of workshopping you

775
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,080
can do to make it so that 
there's just a little bit more 

776
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,640
joy in the process. 
If part of the rut is because 

777
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,960
you're finding it's just too 
hard to keep up with, and maybe 

778
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,920
simplifying that kind of a 
thing, a lot of it is just 

779
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,840
giving yourself the kind of 
like, leniency and flexibility 

780
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,920
to say like, hey, this isn't my 
best month, but I'm gonna do 

781
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,520
what I can with it is really all
that I could probably say to 

782
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:55,680
that. 
What do you reckon? 

783
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,200
I think that is great advice. 
I think for myself, and I've 

784
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,400
been there a number of times 
over the years. 

785
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,760
I, what I've found to be most 
helpful is I kind of do a bit of

786
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,120
like a emotional audit of my 
bullet journal. 

787
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,280
So I'll go ahead and just 
identify I'm in a rut. 

788
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,840
I just don't like it. 
I'm not enjoying this right now.

789
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,120
And I'll go ahead and from the 
very beginning and I'll just 

790
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,880
flip through my pages and kind 
of just be mindful of how I'm 

791
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,480
feeling as I'm doing that. 
If I open up something that I 

792
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,440
really liked and I was like, 
yeah, that was really cool. 

793
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Like I really like that. 
And then I go to a different 

794
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,440
thing. 
I was like, Oh no, no, not like 

795
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,280
that. 
You can even keep a little 

796
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,760
scratch piece of paper on the 
side if you want to it write it 

797
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,120
down. 
It's just identifying what is it

798
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,080
about this right now that is not
working for me and that's making

799
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,640
me feel this way. 
That question before, if you've 

800
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,720
planned months in advance and 
then you get there and you just 

801
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:50,280
feel creatively unfulfilled, 
don't plan that far in advance 

802
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,160
or maybe plan a skeleton and 
then add your creativity on top 

803
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,880
of it at that moment what you're
feeling. 

804
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,640
Honestly, that's why I do weekly
spreads this way is because I 

805
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,120
love the variety of change of 
different pens or inks or stamps

806
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,000
or stickers or whatever I'm into
in that moment. 

807
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,000
Hello adult ADHD like that's 
just how it works for me and I 

808
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,320
think that's what makes it 
really exciting and if at any 

809
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,840
point I just really don't love 
it. 

810
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,360
I just take that moment. 
So that would be my best advice 

811
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,560
is just understand what is 
making you feel that way and 

812
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,320
find what brings you joy and 
start doing that instead. 

813
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,120
I think that, like we kind of 
mentioned before, while purpose 

814
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,480
is something I believe in a lot,
reflection is another one. 

815
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,400
So it's exactly like you said, 
taking kind of an audit of 

816
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,160
what's working, what's not why 
is a really good question very 

817
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,240
powerful. 
Like, why is it that you're in a

818
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:40,920
rut? 
Is it because things are too 

819
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,560
hard? 
Is it because life is actually 

820
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,640
crazy frantic right now and you 
just need to simplify the heck 

821
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,760
out of everything to keep up? 
It happens, it's cool. 

822
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,440
And yes, sometimes we go into a 
month with the best intentions, 

823
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,800
like I'm going to be really 
decorative. 

824
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,600
I'm going to be using like 
paints and like inks and like 

825
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,080
whatever else and stuff. 
And then you get into the throes

826
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,120
of actual life quote, quote. 
And it's just not going to work 

827
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,400
out that way. 
It's all right to take some time

828
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200
to reevaluate and adjust to make
sure that you can use your 

829
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,800
journal in a way that's actually
going to fulfill the purpose 

830
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,280
that you gave it. 
All righty. 

831
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,040
We've got a related question. 
What is it that would have to 

832
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,440
kind of like happen to make you 
move to a new journal? 

833
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,360
Like without the journal 
actually being finished, what 

834
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,880
would be kind of like the 
deciding factor that would say 

835
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,480
like, Nope, I'm done with this 
journal, I'm moving to another 

836
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,200
one? 
I would have to have fallen into

837
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,240
a pool and been completely 
waterlogged and the ink 

838
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,840
completely just all over the 
place and a mess and the book 

839
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,200
unusable. 
I've gotten to a point now that 

840
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,960
I do not care about the point in
the year in which I switched my 

841
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,840
journal. 
I know that sounds weird. 

842
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,200
Some people probably are gasping
as they're listening to this, 

843
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,920
but I just, I don't care. 
For me, it's all about 

844
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,280
effectively and efficiently 
using my notebooks. 

845
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,280
It's about getting to a point 
where I can look at it and say, 

846
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,320
OK, I have 10 more pages or 
however many more pages left. 

847
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,520
What do I have to add to this or
what might I need? 

848
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,320
And if that's not enough space, 
then I'll make the transition. 

849
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480
I will say though, like you know
my current bullet journal, I 

850
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,840
think I maybe have about. 
I want to say 25 to 30 pages 

851
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,240
left and I know that I'm 
creeping ever so closely to the 

852
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:25,360
beginning of a new year and I'm 
already thinking about like 

853
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,080
what's next? 
Because I know that's going to 

854
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,040
come very quickly for me. 
If I run out of pages before the

855
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,400
new year, I will add some pages 
because I will not move over to 

856
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,960
a brand new book for like a 
month. 

857
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,440
That's that. 
I can't, I will do a different 

858
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,800
thing. 
But if it's like 2-3, four 

859
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,120
months, I just go into it. 
I don't wait. 

860
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,000
So Oh yeah, major planner 
travesty. 

861
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,440
Drowning would be what would 
make me do that. 

862
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,760
How about yourself? 
I feel like there's like a 

863
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,080
myriad of reasons, while yours 
is like, it has to be like a 

864
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,440
natural disaster. 
The journal is dead. 

865
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,320
There's no chance of 
resuscitation. 

866
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,240
Mine's like the journal looked 
at me wrong. 

867
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,040
It's Tuesday. 
Stop it. 

868
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,400
No, I think that for me, it 
really depends on the 

869
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,560
circumstances. 
Like, you know, there's nuance 

870
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,520
to everything. 
One of them would be like, if 

871
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,040
the journal is just not working,
like whether it be like the 

872
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,760
paper isn't the kind of paper I 
like, or if it's because the 

873
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,920
purpose that I set up the 
journal for isn't really kind of

874
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,040
working. 
For instance, like I've had a 

875
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,000
social media journal previously 
and I found that despite best 

876
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,280
intentions, I didn't use it. 
Actually, that one is a double 

877
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,800
11. 
I set it up in the middle of 

878
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,320
another journal I had because I 
was trying to repurpose that 

879
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,720
journal and I was like, Yep, got
all my pages set up. 

880
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:37,720
This is going great. 
Got halfway through a month and 

881
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:40,040
I'm like, I hate this being in 
the middle of a journal. 

882
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,160
I'm going to start a new one. 
So I started a new one and used 

883
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,640
that for about two months and 
then was like, Yep, this isn't 

884
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,360
working either because it's 
apart from all of the kind of 

885
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,680
like day-to-day tasks and stuff.
So that's two instances. 

886
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,560
I don't really hold myself back 
from starting a new journal 

887
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,800
while Mark is out here trying to
use every single page up. 

888
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,320
Good for you. 
Excellent, excellent idea. 

889
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,040
Mine's more just like any 
journal that I don't use to 

890
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,400
completion will just get turned 
into an R&D journal anyways. 

891
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,120
So it will get used, but it 
doesn't have to get used right 

892
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,040
now. 
So I don't really hold myself 

893
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,200
back from switching out of a 
journal if it's not working for 

894
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,120
any which what reason? 
I think a lot of mine because 

895
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,760
I'm this way is because when I 
first started a Bullet journal, 

896
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,360
it was very frugal. 
I didn't want to spend a lot on 

897
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,800
notebooks. 
I thought it was ridiculous that

898
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,720
a notebook cost more than $20 
and here I am buying I. 

899
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,680
Still feel that way? 
I mean, I get we, you talked 

900
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,400
about it earlier, Jess, and 
you're absolutely right. 

901
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,120
Like we have a lot of journals. 
We both have been on the Archer 

902
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,040
and Olive teams before. 
They send us a lot of stuff. 

903
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,840
We also buy a lot of our own 
stuff. 

904
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,480
I think when you find something 
that you like and you want to 

905
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,920
stick with it or collect it or 
do whatever, then you're just 

906
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,080
like, yeah, I'm going to get it.
But it is one of those things 

907
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,840
though, where I just was like, 
Oh my gosh, I got to use every 

908
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,040
single page of this because it's
going to cost me another $20 to 

909
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,040
buy a new notebook or whatever 
it might be. 

910
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,800
So I'm getting the most out of 
this and I just can't kick that 

911
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,440
feeling. 
No, that's very fair. 

912
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,560
I think that like you kind of 
said at the start, I was a lot 

913
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,720
more frugal, like really trying 
to get all of the life out of a 

914
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,000
journal that I could. 
But nowadays with the number of 

915
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,040
journals that I get sent because
like as we've talked about, this

916
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,400
is my job. 
So I do get sent a lot of 

917
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080
notebooks. 
I have such a back catalogue 

918
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,920
that it's it's very kind of like
low risk to start a new journal.

919
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,640
Like if if it's going to spark 
more joy moving into something 

920
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,920
else, if it's just like I need 
like a change up or if it's the 

921
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,480
purpose isn't aligned with 
what's happening in the journal,

922
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,440
then I just don't hold myself 
back from it. 

923
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,560
All right, this next question, 
we'll start with you Jess. 

924
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,560
This is an interesting one 
because I've thought about this 

925
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,200
myself actually and I don't know
how I would approach it. 

926
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,400
So I'll think about it more 
while you answer it. 

927
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,320
What's the easiest way to 
personalize a planner when you 

928
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,840
use a regimented one or kind of 
a pre planned one? 

929
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,960
This person mentioned coming 
back to Franklin, Happy 

930
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,160
Planners, Aaron Condren, day 
timer, etc. 

931
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,360
So curious if you've ever done 
this before, and if not, what 

932
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,280
your recommendations might be to
personalize something like that.

933
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Yeah, I know that a lot of 
preprinted planners from like 

934
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,840
bigger planner brands, they do 
have sticker sets that you can 

935
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,040
get and stuff to customize. 
I know that there's a lot of 

936
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,480
chunk to the journal. 
So that would definitely be one 

937
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,080
way to do it, especially if you 
don't mind the chunkiness of a 

938
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,720
journal that has a lot of 
stickers in it. 

939
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,760
If stickers aren't really your 
vibe, then things like washi 

940
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,440
tape and like, I don't know, 
stickers outside of kind of like

941
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,120
the planner space also exist. 
But if you're going for 

942
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,920
something quite simple, I guess 
you can effectively just like 

943
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,960
dedicate some of the space in 
the pre printed structure to be 

944
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,680
for decoration. 
Maybe that's just like in a 

945
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,720
vertical layout, the bottom or 
the top and like alternate or 

946
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,120
something. 
If you're going with horizontal,

947
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,760
it's just like one side of it is
for decoration or whatnot. 

948
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,680
You can probably find safe 
stamps and inks and stuff to use

949
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,520
in that. 
You can do doodles and whatever 

950
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,240
else, but the easiest way to 
change it up is probably just 

951
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,400
like different pen colors and 
that's probably be the way that 

952
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,920
I would do it. 
I found that when I was using a 

953
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,520
pre printed planner, I wasn't 
really focused on the kind of 

954
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,560
like decorative, decorative side
of things. 

955
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,240
So I wasn't sticking in like 
drawn stickers or like doodle 

956
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:13,760
kind of stickers or anything 
like that. 

957
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,800
It was more so my stickers were 
functional and the main kind of 

958
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,760
creativity element just came 
from color paletting and stuff. 

959
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,960
What do you reckon? 
I think that I would have to go 

960
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,760
that same way, especially as 
someone who has dabbled more 

961
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,120
with stamps and stickers and 
100,000 different pens. 

962
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,280
The only ever planner that I 
ever used that was kind of pre 

963
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,840
printed, meaning like it had a 
specific kind of goal, was like 

964
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,680
this action planner I tried 
before I tried bullet 

965
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,120
journaling. 
I've used other preprinted dated

966
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,760
journals and stuff like that 
before. 

967
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,200
I think for myself though, it 
was very functional, like it had

968
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,640
a specific purpose. 
I wasn't worried about designing

969
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,520
anything inside of them because 
they were there for the calendar

970
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,920
and the dates. 
However, if I were to ever fully

971
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,520
move into one of those or try 
those, I should give myself the 

972
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,440
challenge actually and try it 
one time. 

973
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,880
I think I would just lean 
heavier into the stamps and the 

974
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,200
stickers as ways to kind of add 
to it. 

975
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,320
But you made a really good point
when you said like safe stamps 

976
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,360
for those because a lot of the 
times a pre made planner doesn't

977
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,360
have great paper. 
So I'm so used to using Archer 

978
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,240
and olive notebook so I can 
stamp on a page and not see 

979
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,000
through the other side. 
But some of these other ones 

980
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,800
papers not that awesome or it's 
Tom or River paper and it's 

981
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,600
already thin, so I'd have to be 
OK with the ghosting. 

982
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,000
And I'm already holding myself 
because I'm like, I really don't

983
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,880
like ghosting and I don't know 
if I can make that work. 

984
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,120
So I think that what you said 
about it being a challenge, that

985
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,480
would be a fun way to do the 
rest of your year, especially if

986
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,000
you wanted to like start a new 
journal with the new year. 

987
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,080
Maybe like how would I use a pre
printed planner or like how to 

988
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,320
use a pre printed planner for 
bullet journaling or whatever. 

989
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,440
Because like we mentioned 
before, you can totally use a 

990
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,160
pre printed planner for bullet 
journaling because the method 

991
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,680
just relies on a notebook and 
why not a notebook with lines? 

992
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,760
And collection pages and core 
collection pages. 

993
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,880
And a notebook. 
And a pen. 

994
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,360
So a question that got me maybe 
too excited than I should be 

995
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,320
because I've already spent some 
time thinking in this space, but

996
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,840
it was are you guys already 
preparing your journals for 

997
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,880
2025? 
Could you give us some spoilers 

998
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,880
for them? 
So I have because I've been 

999
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,040
going back and forth and have to
keep reminding myself that I 

1000
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,440
have a journal that I created 
with Archer and Olive that has 

1001
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,640
special smart Marks and pages 
and a design that I've been 

1002
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:32,120
dying to use. 
So my plan is to use my B5 sized

1003
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,240
mark journal that I partnered 
with Archer and Olive on. 

1004
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,840
And I still think it's available
if anybody wants to buy it. 

1005
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,640
And I'm just really excited 
about it because it's something 

1006
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,440
that I designed and I built in 
the smart marks on purpose and 

1007
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,520
I'm going to use them and talk 
about it more. 

1008
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,560
I also have been dabbling with a
few other different type of 

1009
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,800
journals and planners. 
I'm going to continue to use my 

1010
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,520
workout journal that I've been 
using. 

1011
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,440
I just put out a video about how
I created that. 

1012
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040
It's working very well for me 
with a purpose and a goal and a 

1013
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,120
thing to do. 
And even though I talked about 

1014
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,240
not using workout trackers and 
weight trackers and how they 

1015
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,640
failed us in the last episode, 
this one is working and I'm so 

1016
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,440
happy about it, very happy about
it. 

1017
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,680
The other thing that I'm really 
excited to continue to do is 

1018
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,760
actually these Ugg Monk this 
they call it an analog card and 

1019
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,840
I've been using this for the 
past few weeks and I absolutely 

1020
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,720
love them. 
I've talked before and I made a 

1021
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,880
video about how I set up this 
desk bullet journal for myself 

1022
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,560
and I just haven't really been 
using it to be honest with you, 

1023
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,720
just because it was kind of I 
thought it was going to do more 

1024
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:36,120
with it than not. 
I've been using these now and 

1025
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,920
it's like, why else do I need 
anything in my entire life? 

1026
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,240
Honestly, you put the top things
you want to do this day and if 

1027
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,840
it doesn't work out, you migrate
them to the next day. 

1028
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,680
And it's working really well for
me. 

1029
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,520
So I'm excited to be doing that.
That's really a planner, more of

1030
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,960
a system that I've been doing. 
And that's kind of as of this 

1031
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,080
moment in time, that's what I 
think I'm doing. 

1032
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,920
But anything could change 
between now and the end of the 

1033
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:01,240
year. 
But since you've been thinking 

1034
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:03,920
about it, just what's what's on 
your mind for 2025? 

1035
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,520
So I'm going to have an everyday
journal, which is like this guy 

1036
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,080
that gets all of the kind of 
day-to-day plans, monthly 

1037
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,200
setups, all that kind of thing. 
So that's happening. 

1038
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,560
We're going to have a reading 
journal. 

1039
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,160
The structure of it's going to 
change a little bit. 

1040
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,680
I'm thinking of going to more 
like monthly setups and monthly 

1041
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,880
reading challenges and things. 
So that should be fun. 

1042
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,400
I'm thinking of taking my long 
term collections journal and 

1043
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,200
actually retiring it to bring 
into new journals. 

1044
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,160
One of them would be like the 
new edition of the long term 

1045
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,800
collections. 
So that's like reference 

1046
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,920
materials that you want to keep 
for longer than just the life of

1047
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,840
one journal. 
And then the other kind of part 

1048
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,760
of that would be a dedicated 
Swatch journal because I just 

1049
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,280
feel like there are some pen 
sets in there. 

1050
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,600
They're like, I'm not really 
using, I've gotten rid of so 

1051
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,880
that I don't really need to have
the reference of them there 

1052
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,800
anymore. 
So maybe setting up a smaller 

1053
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,360
journal for that. 
We're also going to continue 

1054
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,080
with the goals journal. 
That one's working well. 

1055
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,160
We're going to continue with the
yearly collections journal. 

1056
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,040
That one's fine. 
What else? 

1057
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,320
Brainstorming book, Rd. 
journals, all six of them, 

1058
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,200
because there's a few on the go.
And then I think that's probably

1059
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,800
about it. 
I haven't necessarily decided 

1060
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,280
like which notebooks I'm going 
to be using for them yet. 

1061
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,760
I know that like the swatching 
journal, I probably want maybe a

1062
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,680
basics for the everyday journal,
I want either a square or an A5.

1063
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,720
But outside of the ones that are
kind of like continuing from 

1064
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,680
this year already, I haven't 
specifically decided which ones 

1065
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,920
I'm going to be using. 
That'll be super exciting. 

1066
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,200
So you have to keep your eyes 
open for Jess's videos over on 

1067
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,000
YouTube as she's making these 
selections and doing them. 

1068
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,840
I think this will be the first 
year what I'm going to be 

1069
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,440
talking more about that overall 
process people seem to be very 

1070
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,480
interested in, in that I'm still
be doing a bullet journal setup 

1071
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,480
just because like I said, I've 
already know that my notebook 

1072
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,120
will end in time for that and 
I'm going to set up a marked 

1073
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,440
journal anyway. 
But to talk about some different

1074
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,440
ways to do it too. 
I don't count like my R&D 

1075
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,640
journals or anything else like 
that. 

1076
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,000
I have them, but I guess I'm 
just not using them enough where

1077
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,240
I'm like, Oh yeah, that's a 
specific journal. 

1078
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,000
She's like, oh, I need to do a 
thing, grab a grab the journal. 

1079
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,680
I've already been using off the 
page though, but I like that you

1080
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,160
have them all separated out. 
Yeah, no, I if I don't keep 

1081
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,920
track of them, then they either 
don't get used to completion or 

1082
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,280
like I can't remember which one 
was which or which ideas are in 

1083
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,240
which one. 
Because on the on the go at the 

1084
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,560
moment I have 4-4 R&D journals. 
One of them I needed to set up 

1085
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,200
because the other ones were too 
full and the idea video wasn't 

1086
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,600
going to fit into it. 
So it like needed to be in its 

1087
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,720
own journal. 
And then other ones like a kind 

1088
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,800
of specific use cases, like one 
of them has really thin pages. 

1089
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,800
So I use that for anything 
that's kind of like cheap, quick

1090
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,600
and dirty kind of a thing. 
One of them has like all of the 

1091
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,280
kind of like very simple bullet 
journal kind of stuff in it. 

1092
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,480
So it's like, hey, if you're 
going back to like the very 

1093
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,840
basics, the law as passed down 
by Mr. Writer Carroll himself, 

1094
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,960
then that journal is like 
dedicated to just those kind of 

1095
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,120
layouts. 
But then the other two of them 

1096
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,240
also like, hey, thick paper 
notebooks that we can just do 

1097
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:58,400
kind of, you know, what I'm 
going to call like regular ideas

1098
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,160
in ones that are a little bit 
more decorated, a little bit 

1099
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,320
more akin to what my usual kind 
of planning is. 

1100
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,000
But I'm going to try and use up 
at least one of them before the 

1101
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,560
end of the year so I don't have 
to carry all four of them over 

1102
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,840
to next year. 
All right, Jess, well, we have a

1103
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,000
ton more questions actually, so 
this will be the first time that

1104
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,040
I think we'll ever have to do 
this with the video. 

1105
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,360
Instead of going on for like 
another hour, we'll go ahead and

1106
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,160
split this into a Part 2 video. 
So we'll have another video that

1107
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,200
comes out on screen. 
All the rest of the questions, 

1108
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,680
because there are so many more 
that we didn't get to tonight, 

1109
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,920
but it has been amazing to ask 
these questions from the 

1110
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,480
community. 
So I hope you all really enjoyed

1111
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,520
this episode Code and listening 
to our back and forth and just 

1112
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,920
amazing questions, like I said 
from this community that are 

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really good and the ones coming 
up next week are going to be 

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awesome too. 
I can't wait to get into those. 

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And of course, we'd love to hear
your opinion as well. 

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Have you started thinking about 
your 2025 planner lineup? 

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I know it's early in the piece 
for some of us, but technically 

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speaking, if you're like a 
planner, planner pal, then 

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planner season is here. 
The releases are coming, if not 

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have already come. 
What are you thinking about 

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using in the year ahead? 
Let us know either in the 

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comments or if you're not here 
on YouTube, then you can e-mail 

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us at 
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com. 

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Well, just like we said, we'll 
get this Part 2 up following 

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this one, and I cannot wait to 
answer more of those. 

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Thank you so much for hanging 
out with this tonight though, 

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Planner pals. 
We'll see you.