1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,200 Hey there, and welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,800 hosted by two true planner pals. My name is Mark or mark your 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,120 pages. And I'm Jess or Jessie Curran, 4 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:11,800 and in today's episode, we're gonna be exploring digital 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,760 planning, the world of digital planners, digital planner apps. 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,680 Have we used them? What do we think? 7 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,560 Pros and cons, all of that good stuff. 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,960 Now in terms of digital planning, I feel like I just 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,840 don't know very much about the space at all because I haven't 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,240 really tried a lot of things out. 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,760 Mark, have you used any digital planning apps before? 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,840 I have. I actually am a really big 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,080 digital planning app fan. I've tried a handful of them 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,360 over the years, Good Notes being one that I've used before, and 15 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,080 then most recently working along with Zinnia, which in my mind is 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,520 one of the best digital planning apps out there. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,000 This is not a sponsored podcast by them. 18 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 It should be because I love them so much, but we'll talk more 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,520 about that as we go through. But really we just also wanted 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,440 to talk about just our pros and cons as we've gone through it. 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,600 I think that's probably the biggest conversation when it 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,480 comes to digital planning versus analog planning. 23 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,480 And something that always goes through my mind, which again, 24 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,880 reasons I love this podcast with you, is because I don't think 25 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,280 about these things. I always think about digital 26 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,720 planning as an app, but you were talking recently about digital 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,960 planning actually being more than just an app and actually 28 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:22,120 the digital tools that you're using as well. 29 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,120 Yeah, I, I feel like in terms of planning and planners, that is 30 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,160 very much how we organize maybe one kind of facet of our life, 31 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,680 like, I don't know, personal knowledge management and tasks, 32 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,440 events, happenings, that kind of stuff. 33 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,720 But then there's a whole bunch of other things that we also 34 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,040 have to organize in our lives that don't necessarily happen 35 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,560 inside of those apps specifically. 36 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,480 So it could be things like your calendar apps is good for events 37 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,960 and things like that. You can have like budgeting and 38 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:49,680 finance trackers and stuff that you do digitally mainly because 39 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,120 you don't want to do the math yourself. 40 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,760 Yes, that is made. But all of those other things 41 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,080 that happen in your kind of like digital ecosystem that help you 42 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,880 be organized and effectively are helping you plan. 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,480 But they're not a traditional planner, per Southeast. 44 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Yeah. And I think what's really cool 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,960 is digital planning has so many pros and cons to it. 46 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,840 And I think a lot of them in the pro space is the fact that you 47 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,320 can combine a lot of things together and use them and, and 48 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,320 most of the times they sync pretty well together as well. 49 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,000 I think that's one of my favorite things, or at least 50 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,640 when I'm looking for a good digital planner or have been in 51 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:24,840 the past. I think one of the most 52 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,200 important parts for me is that you can always have it with you. 53 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,200 And I think there may be a few people out there that'll be 54 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,480 like, Mark I, I use an analog bullet journal or planner and 55 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,440 that baby comes with me every everywhere. 56 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,920 I know plenty of people who do that, but I am not one of those 57 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,600 people. Like if I'm going to the grocery 58 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,880 store, I am not taking my bullet journal. 59 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,280 I also don't carry anything. I'll may be weird to be like, 60 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,560 here's a square bullet journal, you know, my little shopping bag 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,800 here in case I need it. I love the fact that a digital 62 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,760 tool can go anywhere with you and it can be on multiple 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,720 devices. And I think there's a lot of 64 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,040 benefit to that. I also really love the fact that 65 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,040 you can like work on things in small bits with digital 66 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,960 planning. I feel like like, because if you 67 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,360 are, you know, say you're at the DMV and that's a long wait, you 68 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,440 know, you can always pop out your phone or if you do take 69 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,960 your tablet with you or anything, and you can be working 70 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,680 through something. You can be in your mail app and 71 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,280 taking care of something here in your notes app or if you are 72 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,320 using a specific digital planner as well inside of there and like 73 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,360 making things happen. Whereas I feel like it's a 74 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,120 little bit more bulky to do analogue reading like your pen 75 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,080 holder and you also need your notebook, right? 76 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,880 And usually a ruler or something. 77 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,560 Just always one of those things that I just like, there are a 78 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,360 lot of pros to digital planning, but I just always can't like get 79 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,040 into the groove, I guess enough with it. 80 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,240 But that's because some of my cons I feel like maybe deter it 81 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,920 a little bit. I don't know if you've had any 82 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,520 experience for yourself with like that idea of like take it 83 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,080 anywhere or multiple devices that you prefer about digital 84 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,560 planning or don't. I think that that's a very valid 85 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,960 point. Like the multiple devices in 86 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,120 particular, it's like you can write something down on your 87 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,800 phone and then access it on your tablet or you know, type 88 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,000 something up on your computer and access it on your phone or 89 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,000 whatever. Really, really useful. 90 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,840 And also just like kind of cloud syncing and that idea of like it 91 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,000 has a backup. It's OK if I lose my phone 92 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,680 because it's still somewhere else. 93 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,240 That's really helpful. I also really liked your point 94 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,480 about the fact that it's like you could do bite sized planning 95 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,440 almost. You don't need like a big flat 96 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,360 service to layout all of your materials. 97 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,880 You could just be in the line somewhere, you know, typing out 98 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,920 things on your phone into your digital planner. 99 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,160 That's something that I hadn't necessarily thought about, but 100 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,320 would be really useful. Yeah, it's been really cool. 101 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,000 Zinnia for me was where I really started to do that a lot more 102 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,920 and where I tried to keep it because it works on your phone, 103 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,200 it works on a tablet, it works on your computer, but only for 104 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,040 Apple devices. I do have to say that because a 105 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,360 lot of people get bummed out. It's not for like Android or 106 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,160 other pieces, but it was a really cool experience and it's 107 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,600 a really cool experience because I use it for like other type of 108 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,400 note taking and ideation sometimes. 109 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,760 But that I love and the sinking, I should have put that on my 110 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,680 Pros as well because that is a great spot where you're just 111 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,720 like you put it down one place, you pick it up at another and 112 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,480 it's there. You just can't keep going with 113 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:02,800 it. It can use a good flow. 114 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:05,560 I think for myself. What is always gonna deterred me 115 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,000 though from utilizing a digital planner, at least if I think 116 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,880 about like an app like planning, like basically replacing my 117 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,360 analog Bola journal with a digital Bola journal. 118 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,240 And this sounds so silly, but that a notebook doesn't run out 119 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,400 of battery, right? So like you are out, you're 120 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,440 doing things. If you don't have a charger or a 121 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,280 way to charge your phone or your tablet and that dies, you're 122 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,640 kind of dead in the water in a way. 123 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,080 I mean, you might have to revert back to some analog planning 124 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,920 there. And that used to happen to me a 125 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,640 lot when I used to carry my iPad around with me, because I think 126 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,160 we've talked about this before. Before I got in to analogue 127 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,280 planning, I was like, I'm pure digital. 128 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,080 So I did everything digitally. I was using Evernote way back in 129 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,720 the day for like notes. I wasn't really using it the way 130 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,200 it needed to be. But that was the worst when 131 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,880 you're like in a meeting and you didn't charge your iPad before 132 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,560 you got there and it just dies and you're like, yes, my notes 133 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,680 are done for the day. It's. 134 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,680 A nice easy way to make sure that you're not taking too many 135 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,480 notes. I suppose you have to make 136 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,800 everything abridged so that you don't waste too much battery 137 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,360 power tapping down just like absolutely anything. 138 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,400 But yeah, I think that the battery life is probably a 139 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,920 pretty big con. I've never had it that my 140 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,240 battery has run out based on just like note taking though 141 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,760 usually it's because I'm doing something that requires a lot 142 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,080 more power and I think most of the time I could plan ahead. 143 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:20,080 No, this is definitely one of those things where I've been 144 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,360 using my iPad all day long for other things. 145 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,960 And then I go into a meeting where I need to like be 146 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,560 productive or do something, or I forget to charge it overnight. 147 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,000 And you're at like 25% when you get to work and you're like, 148 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,720 Nope, this isn't going to last for me or whatever that might 149 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,680 look like. The overnight charging one is 150 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,680 the worst. The number of times that I like 151 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,200 think I've plugged my phone in and then it's like not plugged 152 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,120 in all the way or it's come loose from the wall or 153 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,880 something. Like cool, cool, cool, cool. 154 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,880 Yes, I did want to start the day on 20%. 155 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,480 Thank you. Yeah, it's one of those. 156 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,560 You're like, all right, well, let me find a charger and, you 157 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,840 know, pray that this thing works out. 158 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,320 Don't mind me, I'll just be in the corner, like attached to the 159 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,920 wall like typing out my notes over here guys. 160 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,000 The other thing that I didn't necessarily love about digital 161 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,760 planning that I can't is this idea of like running versus 162 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,800 typing. I think one of the biggest 163 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,600 things that I've gotten out of planning for myself is that idea 164 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,600 or, and you might know the better word for this, but the 165 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,480 idea of like writing to remember. 166 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,960 Does it have a special term? Oh, I'm not sure, but I know 167 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,720 exactly what you mean. It's that idea of like when you 168 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,840 hand write something because it's like a muscle LED activity. 169 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,200 There's more kind of, I don't know, mental investment. 170 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,480 You remember what you write better. 171 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,160 Something like that. Yeah, and that's exactly it. 172 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,320 Now, I'm not going to say that the experience writing on a 173 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,640 tablet hasn't improved over time. 174 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,480 I mean, when I got my very first iPad and I was trying to make 175 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,320 all this work with like, good notes and whatnot, just it was 176 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,320 horrible. It's like, it's like the truest, 177 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,720 ugliest form of your handwriting and you're like, is this 178 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,760 digital? It should be better and it's not 179 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,600 whatsoever. And you can't read your own 180 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,080 notes, you know. So I will say like I love get to 181 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,800 talk about Zinnia, like they actually have something similar 182 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,920 to the art apps where you can control like your loop. 183 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,680 So instead of being like a scraggly loop, you can control 184 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,840 how like nice and smooth it is as you write. 185 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,880 And then I'm like, Oh, my handwriting looks beautiful. 186 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,560 I love this. But I always found that typing 187 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,840 into a note ZAP or into a digital place, I have a harder 188 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,920 time retaining that information. It's very much that muscle 189 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,960 memory idea here for me. So with digital Productivity 190 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,320 Tools, I find that I don't know, it's just a little bit of more 191 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,320 of a disconnect for me personally. 192 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,320 And I really love the feeling of writing in a notebook or even 193 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,159 writing on iPad can be OK, but I'm just not the type of guy 194 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,600 that's going to buy like I know you can buy those covers for 195 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,240 your iPad that make it feel a little bit more rougher, like 196 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,400 you're writing on paper. I know some people buy like 197 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,400 special accessories for their pens. 198 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,240 I'm just trying to jot down a note here. 199 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,240 I don't need to go too crazy. You know you say that, but I 200 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,800 feel like I just need to jot down note here. 201 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Let me go find my best, most expensive fountain pen and write 202 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,720 it down with that. Oh damn it, yes, she got me. 203 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,600 Called out, but no, I completely get what you mean by that. 204 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,960 Especially I feel like the technology has gotten a lot 205 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:04,080 better in terms of being able to handwrite on a I device, tablet, 206 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,480 whatnot, because in the way back when you'd write it out, it 207 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,280 would look so damn janky. And I'm just like, is it just 208 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,960 because you're trying to like lock me into some kind of pixel 209 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,360 grid or something? And now it's just like totally 210 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,280 scraggly, disgusting looking? No, it's probably me. 211 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,640 It's obviously my fault. And you gotta go like, OK, I can 212 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,280 write really nicely on paper. It really shouldn't be that hard 213 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,240 to be able to do this on a digital tool as well. 214 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,880 But alas, it is. I find that the hardest part is 215 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,240 when I'm trying to write anything kind of like cursive 216 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,360 on, you know, when you have to like backtrack your pen certain 217 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,360 places to make certain letter forms and whatever and you try 218 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,120 and backtrack it on a tablet and it's never aligned properly. 219 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,760 So then one sections like chunky fat and the other parts like 220 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,760 beautifully thin and you're like. 221 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,920 No, this isn't what I. Wanted, but in terms of actually 222 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,400 like the writing versus typing, I type a lot faster than I 223 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,280 write. So that's actually a pro for me. 224 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,320 I find that especially when I need to get a lot of things out 225 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,560 of my head, which is most days, like taking down heaps of 226 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:03,200 information at once, typing is a lot faster. 227 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,120 So I prefer it in terms of like maybe one of my pros for digital 228 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,520 planning because if I was going to be using a digital planner, I 229 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,480 would probably be typing more than I'd be handwriting. 230 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,520 Yeah, and one thing we can talk about afterwards, because I want 231 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,040 to get to your pros and cons too. 232 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,720 There's a lot of notebooks and other options out there that 233 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,800 record your handwriting and then digitize it as well. 234 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,200 I don't know if we want to consider that digital planning 235 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,280 necessarily versus a digital archive, but I'm just going to 236 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,120 put a pin in that for after we get through these because that's 237 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,640 something that just popped into my mind. 238 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,920 And don't forget to write down that other point, otherwise we 239 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,280 will totally forget. You know, before we do these 240 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,040 episodes, we do try and write out like a general outline of 241 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,320 what it is we want to talk about. 242 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,760 And I'm very bad at looking at them until we like get right 243 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,480 before recording. So I'm like, what's going going 244 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,680 on today? Who even knows? 245 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,000 I always appreciate that the outline is there for me. 246 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,360 Thank you, Mark. But I guess my second pro would 247 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,720 probably have to be around the idea of legibility versus time. 248 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,200 So if I'm going to be writing things down really, really 249 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,720 quickly using handwriting, oftentimes it looks super bloody 250 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,160 scrappy, very messy. Sometimes future Jess comes back 251 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,040 to the list and she's like, I don't know how you thought this 252 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,360 was going to be helpful because I can't read any of this. 253 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,320 Whereas if I'm doing it on a digital, you know, tool, usually 254 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,240 it's typed, which means it's a lot more legible. 255 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,800 There might be spelling errors, but usually the red squiggle 256 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,080 helps me out and says, hey, did you mean this? 257 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,600 So that's always been kind of a benefit in terms of using 258 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,520 digital tools. I mean also I guess you could 259 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,080 say that spell check is there because gosh my spelling is not 260 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,880 good. Oh my gosh, just the other day I 261 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,120 was flying out of form and I had to write it in and I was just 262 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,920 spelling things wrong and I was trying to correct it and then 263 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,920 over correct it. And I was like, why? 264 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,800 This is 2024? Why is this form not digital? 265 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,920 Please, so I can easily fix these mistakes. 266 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,480 Like I know I just get over it inside of my journal where I'm 267 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,240 like, who cares? I'm the only one reading it. 268 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,600 But yeah, having spell check would be great, especially if 269 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,160 you're sharing notes or like sharing information. 270 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Be better. Yeah, I think that that's 271 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,760 another pro would just be mistake fixing is so much easier 272 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,840 in a digital tool. You just like, you know, delete 273 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,560 something, move something to a place that you want to have it, 274 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,760 anything like that. Whereas if I need to make a 275 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,600 mistake fix on paper, it's like, OK, let's get out the white out, 276 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,520 or let's get out a scrap piece of paper or let's put a white 277 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,560 sticker label onto it. That's my favorite one. 278 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,160 But it's more just like the administrative cost of having to 279 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,600 fix those mistakes takes a lot longer to do those things. 280 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,560 Whereas if you're using a digital tool, it's a lot more 281 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:27,960 seamless. And often times the mistakes 282 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,880 that you do make, it's spelling in particular, they give you a 283 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,200 little heads up like, hey, just wanted to let you know that word 284 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,520 isn't what you think it is. Yeah, I feel like Apple's making 285 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,920 it like easier and easier for people to use digital tools. 286 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,120 I haven't been really took a full dive into like all the new 287 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,000 stuff they just announced with their Apple intelligence slash. 288 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,160 It's really called AI like artificial intelligence. 289 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,120 But they have so much stuff with their Notes app now that I feel 290 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,280 like that they're doing and it really got me intrigued into it 291 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,400 as well because it almost is like magic with a wand. 292 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,960 Sometimes I feel like, because that was a really big thing for 293 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,480 me that when I was doing digital planning before to like, I put 294 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,080 my pencil down to like back up or to change something. 295 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,600 I don't know, Apple themselves have done a lot with the pencil 296 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,320 where you just like cross it out or do some like little magic 297 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,080 swoop or something and it gets rid of it or does a thing. 298 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:19,760 So I also feel like we said before that technology moving 299 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,520 forward has made that experience a lot more seamless, which, you 300 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,680 know, just things get better overtime as well that makes you 301 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,480 enjoy them. Yeah, I guess that's kind of 302 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,600 like, I guess another pro you could think about is the, I'm 303 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,080 going to say the amount of tools you need, even though I know 304 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,800 damn well full and good that you only need a notebook and a pen, 305 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,120 but I don't care because I want the rest of everything else as 306 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,800 well. Like if you're digitally 307 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,280 planning, you need what your your app, your thing to write 308 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,560 on, your thing to write with. So I don't know, stylus, pencil, 309 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:49,720 whatever, like that tablet and then whatever application you're 310 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,120 using. Whereas if you're going to be 311 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,120 doing planning on paper, and if you're more of a decorative 312 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,440 planner or somebody who likes to be a little bit more creative, 313 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,520 then you have things like your tape, your stickers, your 314 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,120 stamps, your inks and everything else, which takes up a fair bit 315 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,880 more room, I suppose, than just your pencil tablet, which the 316 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:09,480 app is in the tablet. So it doesn't even take up 317 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:10,840 space. But yeah, a little bit more 318 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,160 compact, which means it's a little bit more transportable. 319 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,680 I suppose that would be a pro kind of similar to what you said 320 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:17,160 before. Another one that's kind of 321 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,360 related to that idea of supplies would also be accessibility in 322 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,800 terms of decorative styles. It's a lot easier, I think, to 323 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,800 be decorative in a digital planner. 324 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,240 Like you don't have to have a lot of artistic talent. 325 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,200 Like you still need to be a creative person because I think 326 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,280 that everybody's creative in their own way. 327 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,360 But in terms of actually having the ability to like paint or 328 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,320 draw or anything like that, it's a lot more accessible to do that 329 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,560 in a digital tool because you can bring in like clip art 330 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,440 pictures, you can buy digital sticker packs and things like 331 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,040 that. I think that Zinnia has some 332 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,680 kind of like decorative tools in there. 333 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Some kind of It is the most incredible insane library I've 334 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,440 ever seen in my entire life. And there's always new content 335 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,240 Nicole from plans that blossom. She actually works for Zinnia 336 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,840 and she's I think she's the creative director. 337 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,680 Like she's the one organizing and curating all the stuff. 338 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,400 And I say to her all the time I'm like, how do you continue to 339 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,720 like how is there more stuff in the universe for you to do that? 340 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,800 But it's definitely one of those things that I probably love the 341 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,400 most about it because when you are running down things on 342 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,280 paper, using a stamp, painting, whatever, it's kind of A1 and 343 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,520 done deal. But what's great about digital 344 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,560 planning and even digital creative planning is the idea 345 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,840 that I can lay all the stuff out here and if I don't like the way 346 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,840 it looks, I just delete it or get rid of it. 347 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,480 I think it's probably one of the best pieces and there's a lot of 348 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,200 different options there too. And I think it's there's that 349 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,760 level of like enjoying planning even more because of it, similar 350 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,120 to kind of what you were just saying there, which is, you 351 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,760 know, if you like creative stamps or being creative, you 352 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,960 know, writing them, using them just makes you enjoy planning a 353 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,480 lot more. I mean, we've talked about that 354 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:50,960 for yourself. You're like, if I wasn't 355 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,120 creative planning, I wouldn't be doing this. 356 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,440 Like it's a really big benefit to my planning style and how 357 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,280 like to do it. And so I think that is really 358 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,520 important. And completely agree, digitally 359 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,480 just makes it so much easier. Yeah. 360 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,400 If I don't like the way my planner looks, I'm not going to 361 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,760 use it, which doesn't make it a very useful or functional 362 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,440 planner. So for me, like the form or the 363 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,360 kind of attractiveness, aesthetic elements, they are 364 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,080 functional because if they're not there, there is no use. 365 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,960 So it's kind of nice that the digital tools allow for people 366 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,800 to do that in a way that's probably a little bit more 367 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,840 approachable, very reversible, which is kind of nice. 368 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,960 I think that the biggest pro though, for digital planning is 369 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,760 the ability to move the dates that things are happening 370 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,480 without having to cross things out or scribble them out or 371 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,000 anything like that and make a gosh Dang mess of my beautiful 372 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,120 planner. So I just, oh, Yep, drag and 373 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,680 drop. It's not happening on Thursday, 374 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,800 it's happening on Friday, all of that kind of stuff. 375 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,920 So that's really helpful. That was a really cool feature 376 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,880 of Zenia two that I love is that you can actually write down 377 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,920 dates and then actually turn them into calendar appointments 378 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,920 right from the app and like connect it. 379 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,760 So it's this idea that yes, you're using a digital planner 380 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,280 to capture that, but they're taking it to that next level. 381 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,280 Similar to what you were talking about before, you can use this 382 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,320 app for your your creative planning, but then use another 383 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,119 digital tool like your calendar where you're probably keeping or 384 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,319 reminders or whatever. That is just big like Sinky 385 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:11,280 cycle. That is just another really big 386 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,440 pro. I feel like of it is that, which 387 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,359 is just there's so many good pros out there where I can think 388 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,040 about it. Like the cons are difficult to 389 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,760 kind of think through sometimes because you're like, well, I 390 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,760 could just charge my iPad before I go to work or have a charger 391 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,599 with me always. That solves that problem right 392 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:27,760 there. You know, there's just other 393 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,680 ones too that you're just kind of like, man, I don't know. 394 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,680 But I do love a lot of that, like easy moving, syncing, not 395 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,720 forgetting, doing it in that moment versus waiting till later 396 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,200 and then forgetting to do that. I have that happen a lot. 397 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,440 Yeah, I think that your point about it just being able to 398 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,240 integrate with other apps is really, really useful as well. 399 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,840 It's like if you have these other things that you have to 400 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,760 use for like work or for specific other areas of your 401 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,920 life, you can kind of bring them all in together in some way 402 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,200 where they are able to like cross share information and 403 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,440 stuff. That's really useful in terms of 404 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,760 Conso, I think that one of the big ones for me would be just 405 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,080 like a loss of flexibility in terms of being able to set up my 406 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,280 layouts the way that I want. Now this is going to be very 407 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,720 much like app or tool dependent because some apps like it's 408 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,040 effectively just writing on paper. 409 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,040 You can still set up whatever you want, but there's a lot of 410 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,040 freedom when it comes to working and just like a blank or dock 411 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,920 read notebook, which is what I use. 412 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:21,840 So I don't think that I'd be able to give that up very easily 413 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,760 as it it is app dependent. Obviously there are some apps 414 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,560 where you still have that level of flexibility, but usually 415 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,680 they're not necessarily the ones that I want to use or there's 416 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,120 like other things that I have to consider. 417 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:36,040 So could be a con. Depends on how you like to plan 418 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,040 though. I would say that that was my 419 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,120 experience when I use Good Notes because I purchased a planner 420 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:45,600 that worked in there and I got very into it where I was trying 421 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,920 to create my own planners in there. 422 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,040 Because you had to basically create like an editable PDF or 423 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,680 like a PowerPoint type thing and then you could. 424 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,760 It was a lot that went into it. I think that's why I didn't 425 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,120 really do it, but there are big businesses of it where you 426 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,800 download themes and whatever else about it. 427 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,640 But what I didn't like about it was that if it wasn't exactly 428 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,280 how I wanted to use my planner, I was kind of stuck. 429 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,880 So it was like, well, if I don't want this page to come after 430 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,280 this page, well, I bought it and that's exactly how it is. 431 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,000 And again, like Zinnia is a bit different because you can move 432 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,280 pages around a little bit more than that. 433 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,360 But like you said, very app dependent. 434 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,880 But you have to be the person that likes to do that because 435 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,680 other people could get like paralysis, be like too many 436 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,200 options. I just want exactly what's here 437 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,640 and to do that. But again, it's that flexibility 438 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,040 when you need it. I agree with you. 439 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,680 I also love about just a analog notebook for that. 440 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,360 I think a similar kind of related point would also be a 441 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,040 kind of restriction or lessening in terms of what you're able to 442 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,960 do in terms of the styling possibly. 443 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,440 Like for instance, if I want to write notes down in my journal, 444 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,120 I can write them in like any kind of lettering style I want. 445 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:49,720 I can put my headers anywhere I want, I can make my headers any 446 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,800 size I want. Whereas some digital tools are 447 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,480 going to restrict you in terms of what kind of styles you can 448 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,280 use in that space. Could also restrict you in terms 449 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,120 of what kind of maybe decorative elements you can bring into 450 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:01,840 those. Like I can draw anything. 451 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,880 Let's say that with a caveat. I can attempt to draw anything. 452 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,840 But in terms of doing that in your digital tools, like maybe 453 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,600 it doesn't have the functionality to be able to 454 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:11,680 draw. Maybe it doesn't have the 455 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,000 functionality to be able to bring in pictures and stuff like 456 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,120 that. There are ones that can, but 457 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:18,960 there are also ones that cannot. Yeah, and, and those features 458 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,120 are going to cost more too, right? 459 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,920 I mean, if you're going to have something that's full-fledged 460 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,200 doing all of that, a lot of them have subscription bases that you 461 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,560 have to purchase or you have to buy the app and the 462 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,040 subscription. You know, there's a lot of 463 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,960 different cost models that come into that. 464 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,920 And someone could easily say, well, so does analog planning 465 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,680 like you have to buy the notebook and the pens and have 466 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,160 all of the like, I don't have to have all of this. 467 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,040 I like to have all of this. I don't need it to plan. 468 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,440 Definitely like to have it, the plan, but it's something that 469 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,120 you do have to consider also. So is that like you said, those 470 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,920 those features that help make things better usually have a 471 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,760 price to them too versus the free apps that are out there 472 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,600 that are super limited? Yeah, we'll have ads everywhere. 473 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,920 You're like, cool, I just wanted to go and check my planner and 474 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,560 now it's like download God of War or something like no, I 475 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,920 don't want to leave me alone. But your point about 476 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,280 subscription based services, I cannot like when it comes to 477 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,920 applications in particular, like no, I want to give you a flat 478 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,080 fee and just be able to use it. Like that is what I want. 479 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,880 I don't mind having to buy like a additional sticker packs on 480 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,440 top of that or whatever if you don't want to have like, you 481 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,760 know, access to the full creative library. 482 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,760 But the idea of having to pay a subscription to access 483 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,840 information that is like my planner is such a turn off. 484 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,280 But then I also like your point about the fact that notebooks 485 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,800 are kind of like a subscription because you have to buy a new 486 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,440 notebook when one runs it out. So but that one, again, it's 487 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,040 like, it's not. Yeah, it's not. 488 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,160 It's not dictated by their timeline though. 489 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,760 It's dictated by your own timeline. 490 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,840 Like I could just use less pages in my notebook and make it last 491 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,240 longer rather than every month on the third. 492 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,040 Here's your bill. Pay US money. 493 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,440 That's the thing about Zinnia that they do, they do have a 494 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,760 subscription model, but you just pay for the year. 495 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,160 And I was always like, oh, but would I, you know, like trying 496 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,680 to figure that out and you can try it for free, right, to see 497 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,000 if you like it before you actually buy it, which I think 498 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,840 is great. But what really bothered me 499 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,760 about good Notes is that you just had to buy the app. 500 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,960 And the problem is, is that like, I forget, I think I had 501 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,000 good Notes 5. I want to say it might have been 502 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,680 when I did this. And then it was like, not long 503 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,760 later, Good Note Six came out and I'm thinking, well, wait a 504 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,040 second now, like, I want all the new features of the app. 505 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,280 Like, it was very weird to me that instead of just updating 506 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,120 their current app like most apps do, right, just continuously 507 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:28,840 update. They were like, no, no, we're 508 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,160 gonna create a new app, Good Note Six that has all these new 509 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,320 bells and whistles for your planning needs. 510 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,400 And I'm like, wait, so now I have to stop using this one to 511 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,920 buy that one. And I was like out not using 512 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,520 good notes because of that. I just really hated that model. 513 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,960 It's just was very much against how I like to work with apps. 514 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,280 I'd rather do, like I said with Zinnia, know that every update 515 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,040 that comes through Zinnia I've already paid for basically, 516 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,520 right? Like if I'm getting all the 517 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,680 stuff as they're putting out, not that I have to go buy Zinnia 518 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,800 2 to get all these cool new features. 519 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,920 And then basically it's like digital trash in my mind. 520 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,400 I'm like, I'm getting rid of that's trashing something. 521 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,120 It's such a waste. And I'm like Mark digital like 522 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,080 it's not. You're not wasting materials 523 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:11,520 there. I think that's an interesting 524 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,920 point because I do not like subscription models, but I 525 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,120 completely understand that. Like you have to pay to have 526 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:20,680 things update overtime and then by paying the subscription you 527 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,200 get the updated stuff. So like part of me knows this, 528 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,200 but then part of me is like, that's a lot of sushi. 529 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,400 So I don't know a very interesting relationship with 530 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,320 like the way that things are priced and stuff. 531 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,000 And it's, it's a tricky, tricky mix for that one. 532 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,320 I think that one of my biggest and no pain points or cons when 533 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,920 it comes to a digital planner system would just be there kind 534 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,760 of like loss of ability to do my hand lettering. 535 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,000 Like over time, my hand lettering has improved so much 536 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,960 just by using my journal. Not even necessarily active 537 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,120 practicing of my lettering. But if I go back into my past 538 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,360 journals and have a look at how I thought letters were supposed 539 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,120 to look, and then I was so proud of myself. 540 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,400 I was so proud of how it looked. And now I look back and I go, 541 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,960 girl, Oh no, Oh dear. But seeing that improvement over 542 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,680 time and then having that archive, it's just really, it 543 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,680 feels rewarding. And I know that you probably 544 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,160 could do it in a digital space, but I don't think it would feel 545 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,240 the same. It's that completely different 546 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,640 feeling because I've watched artist work in different apps 547 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,320 and it's always like they'll draw a line, then erase it, draw 548 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,920 a line back, draw a line back and they'll spend forever just 549 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,720 trying to get this one swoop right. 550 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,040 And I get that we also do that when you do it analog. 551 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,440 And I'm not even talk about planet. 552 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,840 I'm just talking about art creation. 553 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680 But there is this idea that like, well, I'm going to try to 554 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,960 do my best now because it's kind of a one shot deal over here. 555 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,120 There's definitely benefits to be able to undo things or, you 556 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,120 know, quickly go back if you make a mistake. 557 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,240 But you do, I agree with you, lose a lot of kind of that. 558 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,480 I call it enjoyment, but just that memory of learning a skill 559 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,000 like that, because it is a skill that you're learning, not that 560 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,680 you're not learning it digitally. 561 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,120 I think there's a lot of experimentation that can happen 562 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,480 there. But definitely try it with real 563 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,680 tools, analog, not real tools. I don't want to discredit anyone 564 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,840 who does things digitally, but you know, grab a pen and paper 565 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,120 and try it out there too. Give both a try, see how it 566 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,840 works out. I guess that's also kind of a 567 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,440 con in a way, which con maybe is not necessarily the right word 568 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,720 for it. But like learning how to use 569 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,040 your digital tool, there is a kind of like upfront skill cost. 570 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,680 You have to have that period of not really knowing how the tool 571 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,080 works, figuring out where things are, how it actually gets used 572 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,320 and stuff. Whereas most people, I feel like 573 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,240 if you give them a notebook and a pen, provided they learn how 574 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,400 to write and draw a line, they're probably going to be 575 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,520 fine. There's not like a really big 576 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,200 kind of learning curve with that. 577 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,280 Yes, there's probably some kind of like a learning curve when it 578 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,040 comes to doing the artistic parts if you want to be drawing 579 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,400 in there and stuff like that. Maybe a little bit different in 580 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,720 terms of like the upfront cost for skilling up upskilling to 581 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,240 use your digital platter versus just an analog system. 582 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,680 So let's go ahead and talk about the apps that we've used and 583 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,800 we've mentioned so many of them as we've gone through it. 584 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,120 One of the things that came to mind when we were talking about 585 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:02,920 this just now is because for a hot minute, I had a digital 586 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,720 planning Instagram account that I started when I was like, I'm 587 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,800 going to start doing this more. It was when I was using good 588 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,960 notes and I was like, OK, we'll figure this out. 589 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,360 And I remember some of the comments in there being like, 590 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,120 well, it must be nice to have the benefit of having the money 591 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:19,840 to buy an iPad to do this. And that just wasn't something 592 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,800 that I really thought about at that time was like, I was a 593 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,120 privilege to have those items. So of course you can do that. 594 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,440 And I was like, oh gosh, now I feel guilty that I have an iPad. 595 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,480 I always feel like you don't have to have those things. 596 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,720 If you don't have those items to do that, then there's other ways 597 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,400 that you can go about it. I think the apps are similar 598 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,560 because, you know, I talked about Zinnia, that's a Mac only 599 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,480 product. And so I know that it probably 600 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,120 makes people feel very, you know, limited or left out if you 601 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,520 don't have an iPad. And I'm sure maybe some people 602 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,360 feel guilt or FOMO or whatever about that and getting into it. 603 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,880 So I mean, I'll say as much as I love Zinnia, that is one of the 604 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,200 things that I feel like could potentially be better and kind 605 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,720 of more inclusive of everyone. I have zero idea what goes into 606 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,400 the development of that, but I can say that for myself, I've 607 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,160 really enjoyed using that because of all the pieces we 608 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,560 mentioned before. You have all these libraries of 609 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,200 lettering and stickers and graphics and kind of everything. 610 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,120 They also have these really cool like functional stickers that 611 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,280 have text boxes already built into them. 612 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,440 So it's like, I like the way this looks and put it on your 613 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,800 page and then can fill it in, type it in, write it in, which I 614 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,920 love too. I mentioned good notes again, I 615 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,440 think what was most intriguing about good notes for me is that 616 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,920 it was like my step up into kind of a more advanced digital 617 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960 planning. I'm a lot of the planners that I 618 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,960 was looking at all had like hotspot linking to them. 619 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,120 So you would click on a tab to go to each month or whatever 620 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,160 that looked like. And I think I was more enamored 621 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,480 by the functionality of the thing than necessarily like how 622 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,880 I was using it. I love like, oh, I could create 623 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,200 my own and do all these pieces. Not so much like here's how you 624 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,280 use it. And then for me, Evernote was 625 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,080 really my first like hoorah into like really digital planning 626 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,000 beyond like To Do List and some of those to do apps. 627 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,840 And what I really liked about Evernote was, well, it was my 628 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,760 very first time writing digitally. 629 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,960 It was a Apple Pencil, or maybe it was before the Apple Pencil. 630 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,240 It was just a stylus and my iPad. 631 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,360 And I thought it was the coolest thing to be just full digital in 632 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,640 meetings at work and not have to carry all this extra crap with 633 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,560 me and write down all these notes. 634 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,440 But the biggest problem for me with that one and eventually why 635 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,360 I moved from that was that there was no way to like find those 636 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,520 notes again. Or I had no, let's not say that 637 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,480 they did have like a handwriting search feature, which for me 638 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,640 they were like, good luck, buddy. 639 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,880 We don't know what you're looking for. 640 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,480 But the idea that I didn't have a structure like the bullet 641 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,240 journal method, there was number index that said go to this page 642 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,720 to get this information or whatever it was like almost like 643 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,640 you would do in a notebook without an index, flip through 644 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,400 it, be like, where was that note again? 645 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,320 I love the idea of being able to search your handwriting because 646 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,320 searchability is probably I think a very big pro when it 647 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,400 comes to digital planning, like being able to find snippets of 648 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,120 information just using a search feature. 649 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,040 I've only ever done that with like type based text rather than 650 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,160 handwritten text. So it's cool to know that their 651 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,960 functionality is out there somewhere because when it comes 652 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,640 to my digital planners, quote, quote, none of them have been 653 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,960 handwritten because I do not like handwriting on digital 654 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,840 tools. I am not good at it. 655 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,160 And I know that it's the kind of thing like I would learn over 656 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,960 time, I'd upskill and it'd be fine. 657 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,320 I couldn't be bothered. I have other things that I need 658 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,440 to do. I've kind of come to this 659 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,280 conclusion that there are just going to be some things in my 660 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,240 life that I just am not good at because I'm not willing to put 661 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,760 in the kind of like time, effort, energy to upskill in 662 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,640 them. And I think that hand lettering 663 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,760 on a device that is digital is one of those things. 664 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,280 So when it comes to my digital planners, when I was doing 665 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,120 digital planning for sounds really silly for one entire 666 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,120 month. OK, so this is after I've 667 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,400 started bullet journaling. I was coming towards the end of 668 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,200 the year and my journal did not have enough space to be able to 669 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,480 fit the last two months of the year. 670 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,840 I'm like, OK, so I can either use this for November and start 671 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,600 a new planet or bullet journal in December, which just like I 672 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,880 could, but I don't want to. I want to start a new journal 673 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,160 with a new year. It's always such a satisfying 674 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,600 feeling and I didn't want to give that up. 675 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,840 So I'm like, OK, well we could try and cram everything into the 676 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,680 small amount of space you have, but realistically you know that 677 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,080 you are going to need more space. 678 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,560 I was using a B6 at the time, which is already a small 679 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,200 journal. And then trying to cram two 680 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,440 months into the same amount of space that one month would fit 681 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,640 is just like not the business. So, so it's like, what other 682 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,680 solutions are they here? What could I do instead? 683 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,400 And honestly, I feel like I should have actually just used 684 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,240 an A6. I didn't think of it at the time 685 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,960 because I was like, well, I've already in something small. 686 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,840 I don't want to go smaller, but it would have been a fun 687 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400 experiment for a month. But instead what I did was set 688 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,880 up a effectively like a digital bullet journal in Notion, kinda 689 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,680 right. So it has like, you know, your 690 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Notion dashboard with your different sections. 691 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,360 It's got the calendar, it's got the task app and stuff. 692 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,040 But I also got to build in things like my actions list for 693 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,000 my goals. It had like pre built in kind of 694 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,680 reflection questions and stuff for your mid month and end of 695 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,360 month check insurance and things, weekly reviews and 696 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,640 stuff. And it was so much fun building 697 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,640 out all of those sections, having each of the individual 698 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,440 templates. So I had like a template for the 699 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,720 monthly set up. And then within that I had 700 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,240 templates for each of the weeks. And then within like those 701 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,400 spaces, I also had the templates for the reflection and stuff. 702 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,600 So you didn't have to like rebuild things every single 703 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,960 time, which was so satisfying because when it comes to setting 704 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,920 up my journal, I set up the same kind of layout month after month 705 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,120 anyway. I might do a slightly different 706 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,400 style or tweak the layout so it looks a little different to keep 707 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,400 it fresh so I don't get hella bored. 708 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,720 But being able to just hit a button and have everything 709 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,960 already set up was so cool to the extent where I was like, OK, 710 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,160 well, I've gone through and I've made this tool and it's really, 711 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,240 really useful. And sure, I'm only using it for 712 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,440 a month, but that doesn't mean that other people might not get 713 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,040 benefits out of it. So I put it on my little shop. 714 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,920 My gorgeous Navy shop on the Internet sitting out there 715 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,880 selling all of like 6 digital products that are like that, no 716 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,080 printables. And we've got the finance 717 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,320 tracker, which is the same one that I use to do all of my 718 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,200 financial tracking because I do not want to have to get out my 719 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,120 calculator and add things up myself. 720 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960 And then also my my Notion bullet journal. 721 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,400 So cute. That's awesome. 722 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,720 I thought it was cool. I love it and it's been nice to 723 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,120 hear other people enjoying it too, so that's really good. 724 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280 I think that the benefits of that though, it's like in terms 725 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,560 of decorative style and stuff, you can just take pictures from 726 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,360 things like Unsplashed and stuff like that, which is like a free 727 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,040 stock picture website. You know, you can get them from 728 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,680 other places as well, but that's one that's actually linked into 729 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,680 Notion, which made it really easy. 730 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,120 You can, you know, play around with color palettes and all of 731 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,520 that kind of thing. Of course, it is more limited 732 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,200 than I know my full set of Tombos and Crayolas and Karen 733 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,280 markers and whatever else, but there's still ways to bring a 734 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,240 little bit of fun into it and make it a little bit more 735 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040 decorative, which I need. But then being able to type into 736 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,000 it, that was really good because I just, I typed so much faster 737 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,880 than I handwrite. But then I suppose there is also 738 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,120 a benefit in the fact that handwriting is slow, right? 739 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,720 Which means that like you have to, don't have to, but you're 740 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,880 just typically going to be a little bit more intentional 741 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,160 about what you're writing down because writing is a bit more of 742 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,080 a slower tactile process. It kind of ends up being this 743 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,520 like automatic filter, which I know the bullet journal is kind 744 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,280 of built on. It's like, if it's not worth 745 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,280 rewriting, then it's probably not worth doing. 746 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,600 Whereas if I'm doing a type list is a copy paste, it takes all of 747 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,760 about like 5 seconds and that's mainly navigating from where I 748 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,880 was copying it from to where I'm copying it too. 749 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,920 So you don't necessarily have that friction in there anymore. 750 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,880 That starts to help you kind of whittle down your list into just 751 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,520 the essentials of stuff that you need to get done, which is kind 752 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,600 of a key part of bullet journaling. 753 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,480 So only stuck with it for a month because I do like paper 754 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,320 more. I was going to say when you said 755 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,240 that the bullet journal method taught me that because when I 756 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,240 was in school way before I knew about the bullet journal method, 757 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800 I would write down every single note that every single person 758 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,360 said. I felt like I needed the 759 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,240 paragraphs of information to remember it. 760 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,040 The bullet journal method has certainly taught me that you do 761 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,360 not like take out the most important pieces that are, are 762 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,240 an action right, or are important thing that you need to 763 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,080 combine with something else. Those are the important pieces 764 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,280 of it. And that has really made a big 765 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,600 difference for me. I'd be curious because I haven't 766 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,040 really tried it much in like any type of other setting other than 767 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,679 just like personally, like, you know, being like, oh, let's take 768 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,000 this month and see what that would look like digitally or 769 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,719 trying to use a much more watered down version of it 770 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,480 myself. It would be really interesting 771 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,280 to see if I would work the same way inside of a digital planner 772 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,159 now as I do in my bullet journal. 773 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:29,960 If I was typing versus right, I think that would be the big 774 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,560 thing. But I've never tried to type in 775 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,800 it. I've always handwritten because 776 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,719 it was an option and I'm so used to it now. 777 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,199 Yeah. I think would be very 778 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:41,159 interesting to tackle a digital bullet journaling system, being 779 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,520 very, very mindful of the original method. 780 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,880 And like how the approach there would be a little bit different 781 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,520 based on what I kind of default to, which is like, Hey, let's 782 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,960 just get everything out of my head, brain dump it all and then 783 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,000 keep that brain dump forever because things that you've 784 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,480 written down are probably important. 785 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,280 The number of brain dumps that I just have sitting as a very 786 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080 poorly named file on my desktop on my computer. 787 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,920 Oh my gosh. Like usually it just saves the 788 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,120 first entry in the list. And it's just, it's, it's not 789 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,440 helpful whatsoever. And I every so often go back 790 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,520 through them and start looking at all the stuff I've written 791 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,280 down. And most of the tasks they, 792 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,560 they're like, you know, got done and I didn't check them off or 793 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,440 they've become obsolete or like, I've just written the same thing 794 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,200 six times in six different documents or whatever. 795 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,680 Not a smart system, But that's, that's when I get overwhelmed 796 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,240 though. That's when I need to just get 797 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,920 things out of my ahead and typing is so helpful for that 798 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,040 because I'm just so much faster at it. 799 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,320 I think it also helps though, like I went to a school where 800 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,920 you had a laptop like it would BYOD, like bring your own device 801 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,400 from year five, you know? So learning to type happened at 802 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,400 a very young age. So touch typing is like 803 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,920 something I can do. I swear my touch typing has 804 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,640 gotten worse though since I've been using a bullet journal 805 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,320 because I'm not as good as I used to be, to the extent where 806 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,440 I was genuinely thinking about taking a typing course last 807 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,680 year. Really. 808 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,560 That's so interesting. It's something that I've always 809 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,960 kind of like, not like prided myself on or anything like that, 810 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,200 but it was a feel good point, like something that I could do 811 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,360 that I can type fast because I can touch type and I feel like 812 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,480 I'm slowly losing that skill because I just type a lot less 813 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,560 than I used to maybe. I'm sure there's online apps, I 814 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,920 forget the name of the one we had back in the day, but it was 815 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,640 that whole like typing quiz and they would, I remember the 816 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040 letters just to fall from the sky and you have to like type 817 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,400 the letters real quick. And it was all about how many 818 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,600 words per minute you could get. It was the one that was like 819 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,680 space invaders as well. So like the things would be 820 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,360 falling down like Pew Pew Pew Pew ASDF space semi colon LJK 821 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,920 return and having all of those like different things. 822 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,080 I, I love it 'cause that was like the first one you learn to 823 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,800 like, you know, position your hands correctly on the keyboard 824 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000 and that's why you've got those little notches on your keyboard 825 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,240 or sometimes a different kind of feeling so that you can like 826 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,160 find your place again, even if you're not looking at the 827 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,400 keyboard. Like, see, now I'm just thinking 828 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,240 about it. I want to go and learn, relearn 829 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,360 how to touch type. Even though I can still do it, 830 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,760 it's just not as good. But then also my spelling sucks. 831 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,760 So maybe it's my spelling, not my touch typing. 832 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,160 It definitely is both for me for absolute sure. 833 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,840 In terms of other kind of like digital planners though, because 834 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,800 really the only planner planner I've used has been that Notion 835 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,440 one, but I do use other digital tools to help me with my kind of 836 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,400 like personal or organization. So I do still use Notion. 837 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,360 I use it for like my content calendar in particular, mainly 838 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,960 because then you can move things around. 839 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,720 Also because those entries could just hold so much more 840 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,280 information. If I had to hold all that 841 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,640 information in my journal, I would have to have like just a 842 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,200 dedicated journal only for content planning. 843 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,000 And again, I type faster than I handwrite, so I'd rather just 844 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,000 type it. So that's something that I use 845 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,200 still. I also use Excel in particular 846 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,320 for my financial kind of planning, so keeping track of 847 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,800 all of my expenses, income sources, all the that kind of 848 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,120 thing. I've got like a bill splitter 849 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,800 built into that so that then when I pay for things for when 850 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,840 my friends and I go out to eat or whatever and I'm just like, 851 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,000 I'll just Chuck it on my card and we can know you can pay me 852 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,240 back later. I have a space to organize those 853 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,640 splits and stuff, which just makes the calculation a lot 854 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,720 easier. And then I also have things like 855 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,120 Outlook, you know, for, I mean, e-mail already, you know, you 856 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,400 have to have organization in that. 857 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,240 Otherwise, Oh my gosh, you know, when somebody's on their phone 858 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,520 and you see the little red icon or whatever, that tells you how 859 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,280 many emails are. I'm like, there should only be 860 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120 an icon there. If you were doing something else 861 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,640 and you were not looking at your for, there should never in any 862 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,720 way be a number. When I see people that have like 863 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,280 over 1000 I'm like just get dump the act. 864 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,680 I know. Just delete it. 865 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,440 You obviously don't use it. Burn it and start again. 866 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,480 Control a delete like we'll just start again. 867 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,480 It's just going to be easier. I'm sure most of it is just like 868 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,080 e-mail newsletters that you sign up to once and you don't read. 869 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,240 But like, as soon as you see the comma, I'm just like, oh the 870 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,600 heebie jeebies. No, can't deal with it. 871 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,200 If I see double digits and that digit isn't just like a one, I'm 872 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,840 like, you have a problem. Clearly. 873 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,920 You know, I was trying to think there are some really cool 874 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,280 digital Productivity Tools that I use specifically for e-mail. 875 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,440 I'm going to mention it now and then we're going to go in a 876 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,600 different direction here because this is not the topic, but the 877 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,840 stack method is a method that I've used and I use it for work 878 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,680 and I absolutely love it. But maybe we could do a future 879 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,720 episode around like maybe some productivity. 880 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:14,000 It doesn't have to just be digital, but like productivity 881 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,880 method is the thing that we've used that have been helpful 882 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,360 because that's one that has been game changing for my own inbox 883 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,600 and really been helpful in me organizing it. 884 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,920 Because I think that's probably the problem people have when 885 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,040 they have hundreds or thousands of unopened emails is they just 886 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,920 like, well, I don't know what to do do with it. 887 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,920 So maybe we can make a future topic about that. 888 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,400 I would be so super keen to talk about that kind of thing. 889 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,760 Productivity is just like my happy place in general and 890 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,080 learning about productivity systems and different little 891 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,360 tips and tricks and all of that. I would love that. 892 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,320 All right, so I was a good boy and I actually dropped the note 893 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,560 inside of our outline so we could come back to it. 894 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,600 So we were talking about some of these other tools that kind of 895 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,960 take an analog but a digital approach. 896 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,600 I forget the notebooks that do this. 897 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,000 There's a hand full of them out there. 898 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,800 Actually did a review on one a while back too. 899 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,680 The idea that you are writing inside of an analog notebook, 900 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,840 but usually they involve some type of special pen that is 901 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,360 essentially transferring your analog writing into a digital 902 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,000 space. Now personally for me, I see 903 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,160 that as more of an automatic archiving of information, but 904 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,560 I've never used any of these apps or anything enough to 905 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,280 really think about. OK, I like to hand write my 906 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,000 notes here, but I'm going to use a digital planner over here to 907 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,880 recall information or to set things up. 908 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,600 I don't know. Have you had any experience with 909 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,040 any of those or any thoughts on like do you consider that 910 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,000 planning or is that just archiving to you? 911 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,840 I don't know. I feel like it would very much 912 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,760 come down to like the individual persons kind of like purpose and 913 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,240 function that it's serving. Because in a way it does feel 914 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,880 more like archiving that idea of like, you know, digitizing the 915 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,840 notes so you can find them again later, yadda, yadda, yadda. 916 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,440 But if you were using it specifically because you wanted 917 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,400 to have the digital copies, then like maybe. 918 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,040 But then I guess once you've made those digital files, you're 919 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,360 not continuing to plan on them, are you? 920 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,360 It's like you kind of make once keep as a resource almost. 921 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,520 That's what I'm kind of thinking about that, but then it made me 922 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,160 think about Remarkable and that's a product that I want to 923 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,680 use so bad I just don't want to pay for it. 924 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,560 I think the Remarkable too is like 5 or $600.00 or something 925 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,200 crazy and I'm like, it's just an E Ink device, but it looks so 926 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,960 cool. And Natasha I think has one 927 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,240 right. I think she talks about hers a 928 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,880 lot, but I've never used one. Have you ever had a chance like 929 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,120 fool with one or have one? I'm like here, I'm like, I would 930 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,120 never buy one. You're like I got two and buy my 931 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,600 drawer. Yeah, no, I do not have any, but 932 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,960 I have gotten to play around with one. 933 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,560 Funnily enough, it was Natasha's one. 934 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,560 So yeah, so her one, she she let me have a go out and see how how 935 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,080 it worked. It was quite interesting. 936 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,720 I don't know how I would necessarily use it or how I 937 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,760 maybe bring it into my system, but that's because my system is 938 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,400 fairly well established in terms of like what I like to do 939 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,120 digitally versus what I like to do on paper. 940 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,880 Because when it comes to note taking specifically, which is 941 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,200 where I feel like I would possibly get the most benefit of 942 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,440 it, I I just prefer having a scribble book. 943 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,880 Like I would rather just have my beautiful ugly book to write 944 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,640 down, scribble notes and draw scribble pictures and that kind 945 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,440 of stuff. You don't have that in a bullet 946 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,520 journal, Jess. How dare you? 947 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,560 It's more of like a support notebook. 948 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,880 So I use it for things like, you know, when I'm coming to do a 949 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,280 new setup or something like that. 950 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,760 Something in particular that I started doing is what I'm now 951 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,600 calling a want analysis. So so it's like wins, aversions, 952 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,160 needs and things to try. So I'll do that in here because 953 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,960 I can hold it alongside my notebook and kind of go through 954 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,240 the pages and be like, Oh yeah, I like this about the setup. 955 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,240 I didn't like this. This is something I need for 956 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,440 next month or whatever depending on what I'm setting up. 957 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,800 But I also use it for just jotting down things very, very 958 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,480 quickly, like, I don't know, little scribble notes and stuff 959 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,200 like that. It's things that don't need to 960 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,760 be neat, don't need to be referred to again in future very 961 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,760 much, but I don't want to litter my desk with small shrapnel 962 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,160 pieces of paper type thing. So keep them all in one space. 963 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,520 It's always my biggest thing. Every time I write down a note, 964 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,600 I'm like, where am I writing it? Do I want to write in my bullet 965 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,160 journal? It's not really that important 966 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,720 to go in there. Do I have an extra piece of 967 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,320 paper? Do I just write it in my phone 968 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,880 real quick? It's like this existential 969 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,400 crisis that happens in my head. I'm like, maybe that could be a 970 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,560 collection. I don't know just yet, Mark. 971 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,120 Just write it down somewhere and get over yourself. 972 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,440 I'm exactly the same way, though I get so snickety about what I 973 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,640 actually add into my journal, I swear. 974 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,160 Which is silly because like, it's there, so you could write 975 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,800 in it. So just write the thing in it. 976 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,800 But I'm like, but does it go here or should I put that 977 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,760 information somewhere else? And I think it comes down to the 978 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,400 processes that I have around transferring those notes, which 979 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,760 I'm not very well established with, I suppose. 980 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,560 Like if I write it down on my weekly log or whatever, sure, 981 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,360 it's captured somewhere. That's a win. 982 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,600 At least it's somewhere that isn't my brain hole because, you 983 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,720 know, brains are made for having ideas, not for holding them. 984 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,080 So if I try and just remember it, I won't remember it. 985 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,600 But if I write it down on my weekly, I still possibly won't 986 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,000 remember it because I won't remember to go back through my 987 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,760 weekly and find the note and then either turn it into an 988 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,480 action or put it in a more appropriate place or anything 989 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,880 like that. So now we're sitting here and 990 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,360 I'm like, I need a dedicated journal just for notes. 991 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,080 Where's another notebook? Oh my gosh. 992 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,720 I told you it's a. It's a real problem that we 993 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:17,240 have. It's an addiction, I swear. 994 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,560 Just like setting up new notebooks all the time. 995 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,200 Well, Planner Pals, we're very interested to hear from you. 996 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,680 This week's question is have you tried digital planning before? 997 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,680 And if you have, we would love to know the apps that you're 998 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,400 using and definitely the pros and the cons. 999 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,880 So make sure you leave a comment on the YouTube video if you're 1000 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,480 watching there. You can also always e-mail us at 1001 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,960 plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com. And also hit us up over a 1002 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,040 Planner Pals podcast over on Instagram as well. 1003 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,800 Jess, what are we talking about on our next episode? 1004 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,040 So something that has come to my attention, which I don't know 1005 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,680 whether to be alarmed or maybe they're just hiding, but like, 1006 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,920 where are our planner guys? Like where, where damn boys at? 1007 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,240 I, I can't find them. I mean, obviously we have you 1008 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,720 and we know and love you, sure. And we have had other planner 1009 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,240 guys pop up from time to time, but I feel like they're either 1010 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:06,320 hiding from me and I just can't find them, or maybe we're just 1011 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,560 genuinely lacking guy creators in the planner space. 1012 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,440 This is the whole reason that I actually started my Instagram 1013 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,960 account when I started men who bullet was for this exact 1014 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,800 reason. There was only a handful of guys 1015 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,800 in the community and I thought like there has to be more and if 1016 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,040 not like let's promote them even more. 1017 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,240 So I love this topic because it's always the one people ask 1018 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,440 me in the community, like where them boys at? 1019 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,320 I'm like, here's my list of people who I really enjoy that 1020 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,720 are male creators or in this space. 1021 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,080 But what's interesting I was thinking about this is I need to 1022 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,360 go back to I used to have a chat and Instagram that was just for 1023 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,920 all of the male creators and I haven't been in there a while. 1024 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,840 Not a lot of activity. I'm curious how many of them are 1025 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,480 still around. I'll go ahead and bring my list 1026 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,040 to the table. But definitely we'll just kind 1027 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,600 of pull them together. Definitely talk about where they 1028 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,280 are and why we don't see as many of them necessarily the planner 1029 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,320 community, but also promote and talk about some of our 1030 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,600 favourites too. Will be super fun. 1031 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,200 Now I'm looking forward to it, especially just like being able 1032 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,880 to hear your list and check out some new creators for myself, 1033 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,840 which I always love to do. So I hope that you will join us 1034 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,280 next time plan our pals. But for now, thank you for 1035 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:07,840 watching.