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Hello and welcome to the Planner
Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted 

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by two true planner pals. 
My name is Mark and I go by Mark

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Your pages. 
And I'm Jess or Jessie Curran, 

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and one of our favorite episodes
from last year, at least one of 

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my favourites, was putting down 
our predictions for the planner 

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year ahead. 
What was going to be popular, 

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what was maybe going out of 
style, any kind of trends we 

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foresaw coming. 
I don't actually know how 

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accurate our predictions were. 
I don't think we necessarily 

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made predictions that were the 
easiest to collect data for. 

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I'm pretty sure that one of mine
was the idea of like the rise of

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stamps. 
I don't know if stamps have 

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actually made a comeback though.
I mean, stamps have always been 

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there. 
I think everyone's just 

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terrified of them as we talk 
about so many like Stationer, 

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that's kind of like outside of 
the normal and then they kind of

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bring them in, you try them and 
you like them. 

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So I would say like that one was
great. 

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There's a lot more stamps out 
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We saw, you know, companies like
Archer and Olive really, you 

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know, go all in on that and come
out with a lot of like cool 

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accessories and stamps for every
season. 

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So I think it's a little bit of 
a little bit of everything. 

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So we were kind of on point. 
I just love the fact that it's 

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like generating these new ideas.
What are other people seeing out

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there in the community, not just
ourselves? 

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It really kind of broadens my 
horizon. 

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Exactly. 
And so of course, we had to ask 

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the Planet Power community what 
their predictions were. 

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So in today's episode, we're 
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only the predictions you gave 
us, but also some of our own 

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ones. 
We're going to have a look 

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through and consider, do we 
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Do we foresee this being in the 
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Or are we maybe not too sure 
about it, Mark, what was one of 

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the first predictions we had? 
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So one of the first ones is kind
of this mix between what has 

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been happening and maybe trying 
something a bit different, at 

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least when it comes to notebooks
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It was switching from either a 
pre printed or predated into a 

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DIY or the opposite where you've
had a DIY1 you've been doing for

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a while and you're kind of 
giving that a break and move it 

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into a predated or pre planned. 
So it's just kind of this little

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bit of a switch up that we're 
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Perhaps this is just people 
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how they plan and how they 
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Or maybe you're like Jess and I 
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try different things for the fun
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You know, invest your money into
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like a month, and then go back 
to old normal. 

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I mean, I feel like for myself, 
that's very similar to what I 

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tend to do. 
I see all the cool shiny stuff 

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out there and all the new ways 
of people doing planning, 

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whether it is predated or 
different type of paper or sizes

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or whatever that might be. 
And then I get like very excited

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about it and I'm like, well, I 
want to try that now. 

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So I totally see that way. 
That's a good prediction. 

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I know for myself, like I'm not 
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this this year, but it's a good 
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What do you think? 
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especially last year towards the
end of the year, we were seeing 

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a lot of people in their DIY 
systems like Bullet Journal, 

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Franken's planners or whatever 
and such going towards something

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that was kind of more pre 
printed structure and such. 

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And I do also wonder if this 
prediction more so just comes 

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from like the space you're 
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Like if you're a happy planner 
person, you follow a lot of 

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happy planner content and such 
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content creators saying, Oh, I'm
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to insert different type of 
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Then I can see why the 
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a lot of people moving away from
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because I know that that for 
bullet journaling was big last 

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year, We seem to have a lot of 
people jumping ship to something

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that was pre printed. 
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about experimentation is a like 
right on the nose. 

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Like I think that that's 
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And as people get more kind of 
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get more kind of, I don't know, 
solid in what works for them and

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what doesn't, they might find 
different styles that are a 

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little bit not necessarily in 
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been using for however long that
are going to possibly work 

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better for them because they 
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planner and what is going to 
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I think in terms of the 
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definitely relates to the next 
prediction, which is the 

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downfall of the A5. 
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that the A 5 is out and other 
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in more squares or more B sixes.
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there's going to be a rise in B6
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to sell out so damn quickly with
every ultra dollar release now. 

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Yeah, it's one of those sizes 
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about. 
You've talked about it a lot 

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with some of your journals. 
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like, well, I don't have a ton 
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It's actually less than an A5. 
I definitely don't need AB 5 or 

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anything larger than that. 
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way without going to like a full
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like, what can you even write 
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Right? 
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little. 
I've been very curious about it.

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I did buy one with the most 
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it like I bought it to look at 
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I was like, oh, maybe I'll use 
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But I think it is a really good 
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And I love this idea of, you 
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trying something a bit 
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I mean, as a square lover 
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with bigger sizes and smaller 
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like the perfect little space 
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I always say it's like the 
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AB 5. 
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write long or do you know, do 2 
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1. 
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I know I also heard from the 
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are like, yeah, I like these 
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traveler size is kind of it for 
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notebook or an actual traveler's
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brand. 
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size and saying, Hey, this 
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which I love because I'm all 
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I think they're more fun. 
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of a fives, but my my B5 and my 
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And the more and more I've been 
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like our last conversation 
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different this year, I think I 
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square because I think it's kind
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in my life. 
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different sizes and stuff can 
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pole I recently put up because I
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Do I use a square? 
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So I asked the community and the
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Like on the video that I posted 
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square love the whole way 
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like numbers and such. 
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split. 
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enthusiasm coming in for those 
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Only if the companies keep up 
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The companies need to make sure 
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we can still get our notebooks. 
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new, like it was never seen 
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It wasn't actually. 
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was from Arch and Olive when 
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done it and I was so intrigued 
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I thought that was the absolute 
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I was like, I've never seen 
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Like, yes, it's bigger to have 
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not doing that right. 
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And I remember the very first 
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a spread, it was like, yeah, 
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I had to rethink my whole like 
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been doing things. 
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There's, I always say like 
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activities, you know, like there
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that space, whether it was 
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you know, using like bigger size
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side stamps. 
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there to also write and kind of 
do your journaling part made me 

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feel really good about it. 
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nice to have that extra space, 
but what was the next prediction

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we got? 
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so much. 
It was actually one that I was 

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thinking about too. 
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the community was like, I think 
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was like, oh, let's let's really
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The idea is that more notebook 
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specifically Archer and Olive, 
will come out or develop a more 

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fountain pen friendly notebook. 
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that I've been like bitching 
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right? 
Especially as I've been using 

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fountain pens more inside of my 
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And kind of taking that moment 
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fountain pens can work inside of
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other notebooks as well. 
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But it's not really made for 
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also kind of does, you know, 
it's like a very hard spot where

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it's like, it can work, but it 
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here. 
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be doing that. 
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too, because this year, 
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boxes and a little bit last 
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Olive start to lean into 
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Inc. 
Now I can't really remember this

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year if we really saw as much of
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So I don't know if maybe they 
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like they were like, Nope, not 
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or maybe let's spend some time 
to do this right versus just 

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kind of picking whatever. 
So it is what it is, but I would

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absolutely love to see that and 
find people like outside side 

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of, you know, just like our, our
standard Hobonichis or some of 

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these other journals. 
I would love to see some of the 

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other popular journal companies,
you know, playing around in that

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space a little bit more. 
I know, like Julia here, for 

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instance, she's actually pitched
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herself. 
She was like, I think this would

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be great. 
I love this brand. 

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I use fountain pens all the 
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But I need a journal that's 
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And like, here are some ideas. 
Here's some paper samples that I

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think would work well. 
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happened to it, but I do know 
that she did pitch it because, I

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mean, if anyone's going to pitch
it, it might as well be her. 

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Yeah, The Fountainhead 
enthusiasts. 

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But no, I think that especially 
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personally, I started to say, I 
don't know if this is just 

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because the algorithm serving it
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seems like we have a lot of 
creators who are now partnering 

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with brands to make fountain 
pens and such or like release 

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custom ink colors and all of 
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So if that continues, I feel 
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going to have to follow the 
trend if they're like, OK, more 

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people are using fountain pens 
if we want to stay in the game. 

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Not that I think anybody's going
anywhere or whatnot. 

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Not everybody uses a fountain 
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popular and especially as we 
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predictions, they're going to 
kind of note on this as well. 

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But people using materials that 
last longer and such, and a 

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fountain pen is definitely one 
of those things. 

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So it's like, OK, I want the 
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to work with this, not against 
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And I think with some, and this 

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is specifically for Archer and 
Olive, when they do those like, 

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is it Heritage or it's the other
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when they do those heirlooms, 
especially like the the wide 

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size 1, like those are for 
writing, right? 

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Those are essentially what those
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to put out a notebook like that 
would be a great space to test 

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it out, right? 
With like a larger size notebook

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that's made for writing, do it 
on a lined notebook. 

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Like I don't care. 
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same time, like I'll I'll, I'll 
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there if I have to, But I think 
like that's a good space to test

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it. 
We know Archer and Olive loves 

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to do these tests. 
They do it inside of their 

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subscription boxes. 
Like give me a subscription box 

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that's very notebook and 
fountain pen honed in and like 

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give me a small notebook with 
that paper. 

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Let's see how it goes. 
Like I know that they love to do

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that. 
And so I hope by us like even 

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just putting this out into the 
universe, you know, that like 

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that's just something that we 
have to like got to get out 

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there and fingers and toes 
crossed that we might see that 

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in the future or what I love a 
lot of people are also 

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recommending a lot of that now 
too. 

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I'm someone would just 
recommended a notebook to me 

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recently was like, Mark, I know 
you like fountain pens. 

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I know you're not super happy 
your current notebook 

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performance. 
You should try one of these 

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hemlock and oaks. 
And I was like, okay, I've never

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tried one before. 
I've heard about them, but I was

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like, click, add the cart by it 
should be here in a day or two 

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to see because other people are 
like, if you like these sizes 

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and you like this paper quality,
here's a really good mix and 

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maybe they're just doing it 
better. 

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So we'll see what happens. 
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wonder about is with a lot of at
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receiving or not recently, they 
have packaging on their journals

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or whatnot that says fountain 
pen friendly. 

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doesn't even actually mean 
anything anymore. 

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Or are you just relying on the 
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GSM of paper and that is what 
makes it fountain pen friendly? 

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This is all just like my, I 
don't know. 

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Is it controversy? 
No, what's the word? 

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The one where the people say 
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This is just as conspiracy 
theory, the one where people say

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things. 
Come on. 

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But anyway, moving right the 
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My next prediction was that 
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like area specific journals. 
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kind of comes to mind is reading
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every brand and their dog is 
releasing a reading journal 

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right now. 
Or maybe again, it's just the 

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algorithm serving it up to me 
because it's like you want this,

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this is for you. 
But I think we're going to see 

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ones in like obviously reading 
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or like kind of goal or life 
area specific ones that are 

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actually released as like a pre 
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brands that haven't typically 
done those releasing their 

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version of it. 
That's interesting. 

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I've seen a lot of them. 
I feel like recently, or maybe 

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it was just printables, but 
definitely in the reading 

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journal space. 
I mean, I feel like a go wild. 

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We we saw a lot of that right 
people we're starting to develop

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workbooks and kind of how to 
build those out and things that 

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are very specific to that niche 
of space. 

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I love the idea. 
I think it's great. 

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It's not for me necessarily, but
I think for anybody who has ever

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custom made that type of 
notebook, you know, I think the 

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first time is a lot of fun. 
You're you're getting into it, 

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you've got your stamps and your 
stickers and your ideas and 

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you're doing that. 
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through your first one, you 
realize like how much went into 

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that, it can be very helpful to 
then kind of pick up something 

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that's already pre done. 
It actually, I think partners 

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perfectly with the very first 
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of like, yes, I DIY is my first 
reading journal. 

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But now there's a really good 
version of this, especially if 

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it's from a brand where you 
already like the notebooks in 

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the paper and the brand as a 
whole. 

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And they're saying, hey, now I 
developed the reading journal 

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like that, just like, well, that
makes it really easy for me. 

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Like I don't have to think about
it too much to do that. 

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So I think that's a really great
space. 

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I think also it shows brands are
listening to the community. 

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They see you when you're posting
those things, when you're 

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talking about it, you know, when
you're creating those pieces. 

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So I think it's really exciting 
that, you know, some brands are 

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doing that. 
Like I said, why it might not 

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necessarily be for me or might 
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It doesn't mean it's not for 
somebody else or someone, you 

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know, like what a great gift to 
give somebody. 

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You know, you don't have to 
custom make a notebook. 

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Again, a lot of work, but very 
thoughtful. 

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Or you could buy something 
already pre made to handed them.

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Be like, I know you would love 
this. 

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I'm so excited for you. 
Yeah, I think that even if it's 

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not necessarily you DIY D your 
first one, realize the amount of

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work and now you're getting a 
pre printed. 

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It could be you've seen other 
people DIY there's you're like, 

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oh, I would love to, but that 
looks like a lot of work. 

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And this is really a nice kind 
of easy step into that space. 

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So it's like rather than setting
up your own reading or finance 

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journal or like whatever you get
a pre printed one, use that kind

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of discover what you do and 
don't like about it or what was 

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missing for you. 
And then the next one is one 

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that you DIY yourself, DIY 
yourself. 

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Do it yourself, yourself. 
Come on, English, who is? 

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She no, that I think DIY 
yourself is perfect because I, I

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thought it's exactly that. 
So you're you're all good there.

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And that's actually a really 
good point. 

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I think that's maybe another way
to think about it. 

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You know, with a lot of these 
other companies out there that 

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make these journals, like Finish
Your Secret, for instance, is 

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one I've been seeing a lot of 
and I've done some reviews over 

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on my channel on. 
I think it's a really great way 

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to get people into a journal and
trying it out and doing it to 

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say, OK, like it's like training
wheels, journaling training 

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wheels, you know, where it's 
like, OK, I'm going to lay out 

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everything for you to kind of 
figure out and do it. 

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I think Amanda Rach Lee does a 
really good job with her doodle 

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planners. 
I'm thinking about that because 

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I know she just launched hers 
for this year. 

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But it's like, hey, if you like 
this style, you like to draw, 

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you like to journal, you like to
do all of this, but you're not 

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feeling very confident, it may 
be the skill set just yet. 

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Here's a really great way to 
learn or do or just kind of have

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the ideas there that maybe can 
help you on that next one. 

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If you want to take off the 
training wheels and kind of go 

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out on your own, right? 
I think it's a a really smart 

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way to do it. 
And again, if you don't want to 

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DIY it, don't. 
You've got something pre made 

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that's perfect for you and you 
can't beat that. 

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Exactly what was the next 
prediction that we had? 

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The next one, so I don't know if
commonplace journal is just a 

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term that I'm not familiar with.
So this was definitely one from 

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the community on this one. 
But the the idea is we're going 

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to see more commonplace journals
and more customized journals. 

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Now customized journals I know, 
but do you know is commonplace a

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brand or is it like a theme or a
type? 

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Because I don't know. 
That is a theme or a type, I 

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guess it's essentially just like
a little compendium of thoughts,

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feelings, snippets, all of that 
kind of a thing. 

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So people would just kind of 
like bring it together as like 

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that, like life knowledge base. 
I, I think of a commonplace 

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essentially as the analog second
brain. 

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So it's like anytime you kind of
like hear a quote or, or like 

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have a spark of inspiration or 
something or like, you know, 

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learn something or whatever, it 
all goes into the commonplace. 

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I know that people do have a 
tendency to kind of organize 

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their commonplace in kind of 
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then like using a color coding 
system or maybe a tabbing system

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or something like that so you 
can actually find the 

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information again. 
I have been mad curious about 

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commonplace thing. 
Like last year I was thinking 

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like, oh, do I add 1 to my 
lineup? 

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Like would I like this? 
Because I do love to store 

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little bits and pieces and notes
and snippets and such that I 

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find from, you know, consuming 
media online or reading books or

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anything like that. 
But for me it was just way more 

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like makes sense to put it in 
Notion because it is just a lot 

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more searchable and bindable. 
But I do think that people have 

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been getting more into 
commonplacing over the last 

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year. 
Gotcha. 

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Well, that's super helpful for 
me. 

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Thank you for educating me on 
that because I was like, is this

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a brand I don't know about yet? 
But I think this is a really 

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great way to also kind of go the
opposite way. 

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And that's why I love these 
things. 

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It's like we just talked about 
everyone finding custom made 

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planners that are already 
predated based off of topics. 

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And then like the next one is 
like, I think everyone's just 

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going to do it on their own now 
and figure it out. 

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And I think that's what's so fun
about the planner space as we 

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take a look at it. 
And this is also really 

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important for me because like I 
said, it kind of goes outside of

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like my immediate purview, what 
I'm seeing inside of the planner

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space too. 
So understanding that a bit more

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is very interesting. 
I think it's a really cool idea,

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like you said, especially if it 
gets down to like organizing 

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your thoughts and doing that. 
Now in my mind, I'm like, well, 

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the bullet journal method does 
that inside of the index. 

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Therefore, I don't need the 
color code to find it. 

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Again, the index goes there. 
But I know from this podcast and

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you telling me very often not 
everyone uses the index. 

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So like that's not helpful 
there. 

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So if tabbing, color coding, all
of that very interesting 

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something to look into for 
myself. 

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But but yeah, I don't know. 
What do you think about this 

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one? 
I mean, I know you just 

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explained commonplace to me, but
what do you think about kind of 

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the other side of that is like 
people really DIY and even more 

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in the new year? 
Yeah, no, I I don't. 

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Let's say I have had a couple 
comments from people saying, oh,

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I was in a pre printed one this 
year and I've decided that like 

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I don't like this rigid 
structure and I'm going back to 

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DIY. 
But then we also have people 

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saying like DIY is too much 
time, effort and energy. 

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I'm going back to pre printed. 
So I think it's just like that 

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kind of going against and with 
the stream, like depending on 

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which way you look at it. 
So we've just got like migration

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on both sides going from one to 
the other or other to the one. 

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But I would be interested to 
like not that we can get the 

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statistical on that, you know, 
survey the world and figure it 

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out. 
Like is there a kind of stronger

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stream or is there like, you 
know, more people going in One 

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Direction rather than the other?
I think that though for like the

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common placing in particular, I 
think that it's kind of hot 

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right now. 
Like it is kind of like, you 

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know, popular right now in the 
same way that personal 

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curriculums are really popular 
right now. 

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But I also think that people are
making personal curriculums that

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are really just reading lists, 
not actually a curriculum. 

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So I'm just like, will people 
get into commonplacing thinking 

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like, oh, this is a great idea 
and whatnot, but they're not 

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actually quote, quote, doing 
commonplacing, right? 

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I'm not the commonplacing 
police. 

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Obviously. 
You probably heard my 

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description of commonplacing and
she didn't even say, right. 

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That's not even what it is. 
This is there. 

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But anyway, I do wonder if 
people are gonna kind of 

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romanticize the idea of common 
placing, like the idea of it, 

447
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,960
get into it, and then we're 
going to get to like halfway 

448
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,840
through January and they're just
like, I'm just gonna like put 

449
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,840
that to the side and ignore it. 
Yeah, I think it's anytime you 

450
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,960
get into something that feels 
like a lot of work or something 

451
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,280
that's popular, maybe we saw it 
with the Bullet Journal, you 

452
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,440
know, for years as people got 
into it more, it was brand new. 

453
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,640
Everybody had one. 
They were all defining it 

454
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,400
themselves, trying to figure it 
out. 

455
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,600
We saw Ryder Carroll try to take
that back very hard. 

456
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,280
I feel like in a very like 
immediate way this year, which I

457
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,960
think pushed people away from 
the bullet. 

458
00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,600
Method, it was like, let me love
you and everyone. 

459
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,920
And then it's like get back to 
the basics and you're just like,

460
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,640
well, wait a second, hold on. 
I mean, I think as much as we 

461
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,880
talk about notebooks and brands 
and things like that, these 

462
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,200
methods as well, like get into 
it, especially if there's a face

463
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,880
or a person or a brand behind 
it, you have to feel comfortable

464
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,400
inside of that and in doing 
that. 

465
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,200
And a lot of times it does take 
some setup to get there. 

466
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,120
It does take some organization, 
but I always like to remind 

467
00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:27,320
people when they're like, this 
wasn't quite for me or I don't 

468
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,280
get it. 
It's new and you at some point 

469
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,080
have made a decision where you 
have to try something new 

470
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,920
because what you're doing is not
working for you. 

471
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,840
So it's like give it more than a
month. 

472
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,840
I think usually I say like 3 
months, give it a quarter and 

473
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,560
really get into it. 
I think by that point you're a 

474
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,400
few months in, you've really 
lived it, you've experienced it,

475
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,840
and then you can make a 
decision. 

476
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,960
I know some people get on me. 
They're like, how can you make 

477
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,240
you know a decision off of 
whether or not you like the 

478
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,520
system in a week mark when 
you're like, I tried a new 

479
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,360
system for a week and it didn't 
work for me. 

480
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,120
Like, well, I've been doing this
for a while. 

481
00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,720
I know what does work for me and
I can get a really good vibe on 

482
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600
another system or another 
notebook or whatever it might be

483
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,160
quickly now. 
But for those who haven't tried 

484
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,040
other ideas or other plans or 
experiments, it might be a 

485
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,800
little bit more difficult for 
you. 

486
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,440
So give a little bit more time, 
though. 

487
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,040
I think it's like using my my 
like idea, especially when it's 

488
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,080
involved because it takes more 
time to build that out. 

489
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,000
Yeah. 
And I think that, like, if 

490
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,320
you're coming from a place of 
like, very good understanding of

491
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,320
yourself as a person, it can be 
a lot easier to figure out what 

492
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,880
will or won't work for you even 
before you start sometimes. 

493
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,400
So for instance, with 
commonplacing, given that 

494
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,880
interest and the idea of like, 
you know, everybody sharing 

495
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,720
their commonplace, now I want to
do a commonplace and such, I did

496
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,880
have to check myself and be 
like, yeah, but you're not going

497
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,800
to keep up with that. 
Like you don't like writing for 

498
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,960
one thing. 
So come on, you're not going to 

499
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,640
go and like, you know, hand 
write all of these quotes or 

500
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,920
whatever from materials you had.
You've already tried having a 

501
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,720
notebook before and while it did
work, it was fine. 

502
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,240
You just found that you 
preferred to take all of that 

503
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,960
down digitally. 1, you can type 
faster than you can hand write 

504
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:01,440
and two, it's searchable after 
the fact. 

505
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,280
And three, you're going to be 
using it on a computer anyway, 

506
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,840
so it might as well be on the 
computer. 

507
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,320
So by knowing those things about
yourself and knowing how you 

508
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,360
kind of like typically operate 
as a planner or your kind of 

509
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:14,280
tendencies and whatnot, and 
comparing the potential of the 

510
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,240
new system to the stuff that you
already know about yourself, you

511
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,600
can make informed decisions 
faster, which is really nice. 

512
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,400
Or if you get into it and start 
experimenting with it and really

513
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,800
kind of take a step back and 
reflect on that process and say,

514
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,360
OK, what did work, what was 
good, what is missing, what is 

515
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,640
lacking? 
What are my aversions? 

516
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,520
All of those kind of things. 
Being honest with yourself. 

517
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,840
Then you can make those kind of 
like, I don't know, just like a 

518
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,600
faster realization of what will 
or won't work for you. 

519
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,800
Yeah, well, our next few topics 
we're getting into is 

520
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,800
interesting because I think 
people are being a lot more 

521
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,120
conscious about where they're 
spending their time and their 

522
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,360
money, and rightfully so. 
So why don't you kick into the 

523
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,440
next one of the the next 
prediction from the planner 

524
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,760
pals? 
Because I want 100% back these. 

525
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,480
Yeah, the next prediction we had
from a lot of people was the 

526
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,640
idea of like shopping your stash
or using what you have just 

527
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,120
especially as you know, money be
moneying economy, being in an 

528
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:05,120
economy and all of that, just 
trying to save money as the 

529
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,600
price of things increase. 
So really kind of having that 

530
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,400
focus on what do I have, what 
can I use that I've already kind

531
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,200
of got in my space in my system 
rather than acquiring new 

532
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,480
things. 
And I would definitely agree 

533
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,400
with this one, which I, I do 
wonder based on this, are we 

534
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,760
going to see a kind of like rise
again of people drawing more for

535
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,040
decoration in their journal 
rather than stickering? 

536
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,680
Or if we are going to see 
stickering, is it going to be 

537
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,080
like, I bought digital stickers 
and I printed them myself so 

538
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,160
that then it's like I don't have
to go and buy like a new sticker

539
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,960
kit. 
It's something that I already 

540
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,960
had kind of like in my 
ecosystem. 

541
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,600
I know some people like major 
digital sticker kind of 

542
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,920
collectors and such and they'll 
like buy those sticker packs and

543
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,560
they'll print them off time and 
time again. 

544
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,720
Or it could be, you know, for 
instance, what I do like making 

545
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,800
my own headers rather than 
trying to, you know, go and find

546
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,720
stickers that align with the 
stuff that I want to put in my 

547
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,200
journal or the headers that I 
want to have, I just type them 

548
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,200
up, make them myself and print 
them off on sticker paper. 

549
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,840
Like yes you still have to 
require the sticker paper that 

550
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,600
is significantly cheaper than 
pre made sticker packs. 

551
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,160
Absolutely. 
I, I love this one very much So.

552
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,200
And it's a bit, it's probably 
hard because people are like, 

553
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,480
Mark, it seems as if you're 
getting new stuff all the time. 

554
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,320
And I'm like, yeah, but like a 
lot of that stuff, like I'm not 

555
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,800
buying with my own money. 
It's like through affiliate 

556
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,160
sales or store credits or 
whatever else. 

557
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:23,960
But I'm kind of in the same boat
now. 

558
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,520
Like when I am purchasing 
something for myself, I am 

559
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,840
actually taking a moment now and
saying like, do I actually need 

560
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,600
that? 
Even with that Hemlock and oak 

561
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,400
notebook, I was like, do I 
really need it because I have so

562
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,040
many other notebooks just 
sitting here ready to be used. 

563
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,120
And I was like, but I really for
me, want to try because it's 

564
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,680
feels like the right thing. 
I've heard a lot of good things,

565
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,920
so I'm going to give it a go. 
So I'm like, OK, that is. 

566
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,800
But like new pens and stuff like
that, I've actually just been 

567
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,520
going behind me recently and 
almost like blindly running my 

568
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,560
hand to me and like, stop here. 
Oh, I haven't used this in a 

569
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,360
while. 
Just to be like, oh, yeah, I 

570
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,000
really did like the way that 
that pen worked. 

571
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,840
I really did like the way that 
that ink looked. 

572
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,520
I really did like, you know, 
this material I haven't used in 

573
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,880
a while. 
I was like, maybe I used it too 

574
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,880
much. 
I got sick of it. 

575
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,960
Well, now time to like bring it 
back out. 

576
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,560
So I think it's one of those 
deals like, you know, really 

577
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,120
being like picky and choosy 
about when you are choosing to 

578
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,640
purchase something. 
And I think it's also realizing 

579
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,440
that we do have a lot of this 
stuff already. 

580
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,520
Maybe we just put it in a box or
a drawer. 

581
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,680
Time to go through that box or 
that drawer. 

582
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,600
Great way to do that at the end 
of the year and be like, hey, I 

583
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,600
forgot that I had this, you 
know, flake sticker pack. 

584
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,000
Let's go ahead and use that 
instead of like trying to buy 

585
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,280
something else. 
Yeah. 

586
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,280
And as somebody who has 
previously, like pretty much 

587
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,880
never done a theme twice, or if 
I do the theme twice, it's 

588
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,720
usually like a completely new 
take on it. 

589
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,080
I found that this year I have 
repeated themes at least three 

590
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,040
or four times, which for me is a
lot. 

591
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,640
I, I thought it was quite funny 
actually for my new journal 

592
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,280
setup for 2026, both my reading 
journal and my everyday journal 

593
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,160
are essentially the same themes 
that I used last year in those 

594
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,120
systems, but switched. 
So the reading journal theme 

595
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,520
from last year is now my 
everyday journal theme for next 

596
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,600
year and vice versa for the 
other one. 

597
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,360
But it just meant that I could 
actually use the supplies I 

598
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,160
already had. 
I know that I like them. 

599
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,120
I enjoyed that theme last time. 
So just like lean into the joy. 

600
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:11,680
More joinaling. 
There we go. 

601
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,120
That's a prediction. 
More joinaling, always. 

602
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,640
Yeah, I 100% back that. 
And I think it is like if you 

603
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,440
can enjoy that you bought it for
a reason. 

604
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,240
I had to remind myself of this. 
Like you bought it for a reason.

605
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,000
Like let's go ahead and just 
start using that until it's 

606
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,680
gone. 
And then if you need to replace 

607
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,440
it, hopefully you can. 
You can. 

608
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,520
If not, you know it's OK. 
You got plenty more more in the 

609
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,480
stash. 
That idea of like look back with

610
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,000
fondness and like in 
appreciation that had happened 

611
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,360
rather than looking back at me 
like when I wish I still had 

612
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,240
that thing. 
That's me and my my washi tapes.

613
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,120
My goodness. 
Well, Speaking of having lots of

614
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,920
things, especially when it comes
into washi tapes, one of the 

615
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,000
things I heard about a 
prediction kind of goes the 

616
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,440
opposite side of washi tapes, 
which is people starting to 

617
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,840
spend money on quality over 
quantity. 

618
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,640
I don't mean that washi tapes 
are not quality, but we know 

619
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,440
that you can get like 50 rolls 
for like $3 in some places. 

620
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000
So I thought about this one and 
I heard this one from a few 

621
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,760
people. 
One of them is someone who did 

622
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,520
get into fountain pens and like 
cursed me but loved me at the 

623
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,720
same exact time. 
And they were just like, look, 

624
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,520
I'm buying all these different 
pens that I think I'm going to 

625
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,720
like, but like, I like this idea
of buying, you know, 1 fountain 

626
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,800
pen that I can fill with 
different types of inks. 

627
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,720
And I was like, well, that's 
what they're here for. 

628
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560
Like that's a great way to 
experience writing, a great way 

629
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,480
to do that. 
So, you know, instead of going 

630
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,120
out and buying like a giant pack
of pens, just buying 1 pen that 

631
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,480
you can use over and over again.
There's a little bit of 

632
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,280
excitement to that, but there's 
also like, do I get bored with 

633
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,960
that? 
But I think it also comes down 

634
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,160
into notebooks as well. 
So a few people that I heard 

635
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,480
from said like, no longer will I
be buying my journal from the 

636
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,960
dollar store for five and below 
or like a arts and crafts store.

637
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,160
I'm going to go ahead and I'm 
ready to invest in a nicer 

638
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,840
notebook. 
And we've all been there. 

639
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240
I was there at one point, you 
know, where you're just like, 

640
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,920
OK, this is the cheap one. 
I'm going to just do it in here.

641
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,080
And then the pages start to fall
out or, you know, you bleed 

642
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,480
through the pages or what not. 
And then you, you know, come 

643
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,360
across and you see all these 
buying their notebooks, but 

644
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,760
you're like, I can't spend $35 
on a notebook. 

645
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,920
That seems like a lot of money. 
But the way I like to look at it

646
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,920
is like, OK, but if you're going
through several of those 

647
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,200
notebooks not quite working out 
for you where they're falling 

648
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,600
apart, you know, $5 apiece, you 
know, three or four of those. 

649
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,880
And then you're just you're, 
you're a hop, skip and a jump 

650
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,840
away from like that nicer 
notebook. 

651
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,480
And I know again, for me from 
personal experience, this was a 

652
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,000
really big thing. 
I remember I bought that 

653
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,800
Lloystrom notebook, the very 
first one was like $18.00. 

654
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,840
And I was like, who the hell is 
spending $18.00 on a notebook? 

655
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,960
And then I remember trying my 
very first arch and olive and 

656
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,440
like holding my breath and 
biting my tongue as I was like 

657
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,480
$35.00. 
But I loved the outcome of that.

658
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600
I love the paper. 
I love how it worked. 

659
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,480
It was, it made me so happy. 
And then, you know, that just 

660
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,640
kind of snowballed into what it 
is now though. 

661
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,120
What do you think about that? 
Do you think that it's more of a

662
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,760
quality over quantity game? 
As we move into the new year, 

663
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,760
some people just kind of keep 
doing what they've been doing. 

664
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,160
I think that it's going to be 
material dependent. 

665
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,920
I reckon that we'll probably see
a rise of quality over quantity 

666
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,400
when it comes to, I guess for 
the items that you only buy 

667
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,920
once. 
So you were never really buying 

668
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840
all that much in terms of 
quantity to start with. 

669
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,800
But I do think that for staples 
and things that don't 

670
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,240
necessarily like get consumed or
used up, those non consumable 

671
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,920
items, I think that people will 
probably either upgrade the ones

672
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,000
they have when they break or 
realize like, hey, if I'm going 

673
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,120
to be using this for 1/2 minute,
then I might as well go with 

674
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480
something that is a little bit 
more lasting. 

675
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,880
It is a better material. 
So I'm thinking things like, you

676
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,240
know, sticker tweezers, 
scissors, rulers that aren't all

677
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,160
crackled up and janky and such, 
like they just made out of 

678
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,920
better materials and such. 
So they are going to last better

679
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,760
because it's a one and done 
purchase in theory, unless like 

680
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,640
you lose it or you roughhouse it
up the wazoo and it breaks or 

681
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,160
something like that. 
But it just means that first of 

682
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,920
all, it makes the process more 
enjoyable dwelling because you 

683
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,040
don't have to kind of like fight
with a supply that is good 

684
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,680
enough to work, but it's 
actually not good enough to be 

685
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,480
enjoyable to use. 
And I think that that also will 

686
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,760
just like along with adding more
joy, it will save you money in 

687
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,160
the long run because you don't 
have these kind of El cheapo 

688
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,560
supplies that just break after 
three uses. 

689
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,840
And then you either go buy 
another one or then go and buy 

690
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,800
the more expensive one, whereas 
you could have just bought the 

691
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,200
more expensive one to start 
with. 

692
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,960
Yeah, it's one of the same 
things when, like, you know, 

693
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,520
someone buys those really nice 
craft scissors and you use them 

694
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,720
to like, cut paper. 
And so it's like, don't you dare

695
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,040
do that. 
It's like those are really nice 

696
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,960
for a reason. 
They're supposed to last long, 

697
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,080
handle more materials than like 
your dollar store brand that you

698
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,240
kind of go with. 
So I think that's all about 

699
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,600
that. 
Very much so. 

700
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,360
I'm excited to see what happens 
this year. 

701
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,000
People actually follow through 
on this prediction or not, I 

702
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,040
guess. 
And I know for myself, I've been

703
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,160
doing that more with a lot of 
quality materials as I'm just 

704
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,320
like, Nope, not going to go buy 
them from the dollar store and 

705
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,160
use them once. 
I'm going to go and invest in 

706
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,560
something nicer that's going to 
kind of hold on a little bit 

707
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,080
longer. 
All right, what's the next one 

708
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,200
that you got? 
So the next one is also kind of 

709
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,600
about like money related stuff, 
but not necessarily about the 

710
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,280
purchasing, but more so the idea
that we're going to see more 

711
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,320
finance and budgeting related 
layouts in people's journals as 

712
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,880
they're starting to be more 
money conscious. 

713
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,280
I know that I personally won't 
be part of this trend, mainly 

714
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,040
because I don't do math on 
paper. 

715
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800
I do math in Excel. 
So I get it to add everything up

716
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,440
for me. 
But I think that people are 

717
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,680
going to be a little bit more 
money conscious about, you know,

718
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,400
that kind of hobbies, 
stationery, all of that type 

719
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,240
thing. 
And part of that might be 

720
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,720
setting up some kind of like no 
spend or no buy type challenge. 

721
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,400
It could be setting up like an 
expense log or something like 

722
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,320
that, a savings tracker. 
That being said, I did actually 

723
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,800
just set up a savings tracker. 
So I am part of the trend. 

724
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Yay, part of it. 
What do you reckon? 

725
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,680
I think it's going to be a very 
big deal. 

726
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,440
And like you said earlier, 
because the economy's economy, 

727
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,880
things are more expensive, you 
know, all of those things come 

728
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,800
into play. 
I think that those would 

729
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,040
probably be very popular spreads
this year because people are 

730
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,480
going to be trying to figure out
how do I afford certain things? 

731
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,680
You know, especially here in the
US, a lot that's going on with 

732
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,720
just like, you know, food stamps
and people who can't afford to 

733
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,320
eat. 
There's a government shutdown. 

734
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,080
People aren't getting paid. 
So you have to think differently

735
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,440
about how you're spending your 
money. 

736
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,360
I was out just the other day 
actually at the vet as a weird 

737
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,800
place to be. 
And the woman next to me, you 

738
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,160
know, basically was like picking
and choosing, like what 

739
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,960
medicines to get for her pet 
because she was like, well, my 

740
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,600
husband's in the military, he's 
not getting paid right now. 

741
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,120
So like, we're going to forego 
this for right now because we 

742
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,160
need to afford this. 
And this is very much different 

743
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,240
when you're talking about like 
personal health and family 

744
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,880
health. 
First was like stationary. 

745
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,240
But I think that if you're 
trying to figure that out for 

746
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,040
yourself and like pick and 
choose and budget, sometimes 

747
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,960
writing it down is the right way
to do it. 

748
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,440
What's coming in and what's 
going out, whether that's an 

749
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Excel or just on a piece of 
paper, you have to do that at 

750
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,520
some point. 
So I absolutely think that's 

751
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,240
going to be something that we're
going to have to do. 

752
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Doesn't make me happy that we're
having to do that. 

753
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,320
I'm hopeful that like a lot of 
this will come out of like a 

754
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,320
necessity and turn into 
something that's maybe more in 

755
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,440
the positive as we go forward. 
But this is a great way to try 

756
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,040
it out to see how it works, and 
then hopefully be able to 

757
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,520
utilize what you've learned by 
doing this in another space. 

758
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,280
Yeah, and even if it's not 
necessarily something that like 

759
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,200
is a necessity, like you, you 
feel very much like you have to 

760
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,760
keep on top of your finances and
such, and you're really penny 

761
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,240
pinching and such to make it so 
that you can make things happen 

762
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,680
and meet all that kind of thing.
It is just good to know more 

763
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,240
about your financial health and 
be more aware of where your 

764
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,760
money is going and such. 
Like the number of times that 

765
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,320
I've gone to my account just 
been like, wait a second, wasn't

766
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,520
this number higher before? 
And it's just because, you know,

767
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,120
a bill came out or whatnot that 
I just forgot about. 

768
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,600
The nice part about being myself
and being a forgetful person 

769
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,720
like that sometimes is sometimes
surprises are fun. 

770
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,000
But more that I try and make 
sure that all of my bills are 

771
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,360
set up on autopay because 
otherwise you get another 

772
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,880
statement being like, ma'am, 
where's your money? 

773
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,680
I'm like, yeah, OK, I'm sorry 
about that. 

774
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,240
I'll just put it on the autopay 
and then future just won't have 

775
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,520
to worry about this. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

776
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,280
So something else that we saw 
just this year, which I feel 

777
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,520
like I've seen more of this 
happening, but I know at the 

778
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,960
same time we got the counter 
this people are like I'm going 

779
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,760
to see more jointly happening, 
withdrawing and painting all of 

780
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,280
this. 
I did see a lot of people who 

781
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,480
are saying this upcoming year, 
I'm going to foresee or think 

782
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,920
that a lot of people are going 
to kind of go that opposite way,

783
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,560
maybe a little bit more 
minimalist or just maybe kind of

784
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,480
more basic in their approach. 
Again. 

785
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,280
And it could be just from, you 
know, having too many or not 

786
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,760
being able to buy a lot of 
stationary or just trying 

787
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,639
something different. 
Kind of like bringing down all 

788
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,920
of the things that could 
potentially happen on a page and

789
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,760
just really get down to the 
brass tacks. 

790
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,800
Here's what's happening is my 
task is my notes. 

791
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,400
I mean, that's, I know I've done
that too. 

792
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,480
I sometimes remind myself, like 
Mark, make this look a little 

793
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,400
bit more fun, like this is 
supposed to be a fun thing for 

794
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,280
us. 
So I definitely see that more. 

795
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,280
I've heard from a lot of people,
especially if you've been 

796
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,000
overwhelmed in the past about 
like the DIY planning and like 

797
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,160
over purchasing kind of all the 
things all on a single page, you

798
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,560
know, breaking that down, I 
always say like you can still be

799
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,000
fun and functional at the same 
exact time. 

800
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,440
You don't have to have a ton of 
stuff on there to be able to be 

801
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,280
like, oh, OK, this works for me.
You can do some very basic 

802
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,360
things and make it look fun, but
have it be very functional and 

803
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,840
and do exactly what you need to 
do. 

804
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,080
So this is definitely a trend 
that I can see happening more in

805
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,400
the new year. 
People trying it, kind of taking

806
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,960
it back a step or two and then 
seeing what they do. 

807
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,760
But as a person I know who's, 
you know, went from one extreme 

808
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,800
to the other, like, what do you 
think about this one? 

809
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,000
I reckon that it's, I do foresee
us saying less drawing because I

810
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,240
feel like we're already kind of 
on that trend at the moment. 

811
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,560
But I don't necessarily foresee 
less decoration. 

812
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,080
What I think is going to happen 
is that we're just going to get 

813
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,320
to like, you know, more 
extremes. 

814
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,760
So we're going to see more 
that's like truly minimal and 

815
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,120
we're going to see more 
decorative. 

816
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,120
That's like quite decorative. 
It just might not necessarily be

817
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,080
decorative in the sense of 
drawing. 

818
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,120
So I think that like we have the
rise of junk journaling. 

819
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,720
I swear that this is happening 
and I feel like people are going

820
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,120
to experiment with that more in 
their planners rather than 

821
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,600
making separate junk journals 
just to kind of like test the 

822
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,240
waters a little bit, see if that
is a process they like, see if 

823
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,160
that's a style of memory keeping
they like. 

824
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,400
Whereas we're also going to get 
more of that kind of like 

825
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,200
minimalist, like, you know, very
kind of bare bones basic kind of

826
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,760
thing. 
Not so much they're like 

827
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,280
decorative heavy. 
Or if it is decoration, it's 

828
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,880
going to be those kind of like 
smaller touches like maybe a 

829
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,560
colored header or some nice line
work or something like that. 

830
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,480
So I kind of see it more as like
a a polarizing on the decorative

831
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,320
spectrum. 
No, it makes makes total sense. 

832
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,160
I think it will see it to it. 
I think it's more exciting too 

833
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,720
is like if you're taking it down
a lot of maybe trying something 

834
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:37,960
by hand, like I got a lot of 
people like I can't draw them 

835
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,760
like cool, but you can do this 
easy lettering. 

836
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,240
It still looks fun. 
You can still take a marker and 

837
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,160
put a little drop shadow under 
your box and still looks fun and

838
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,440
exciting without having to like 
do a whole like illustration on 

839
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,520
your page as well. 
I think it's fun to experiment 

840
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,200
and sometimes like those baby 
steps are really great ways to 

841
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,840
do it, which might lead you to a
spot where you want to do more 

842
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,040
of the other kind of way of 
doing it or just build on those 

843
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,920
basics. 
That's kind of like how I see 

844
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,280
it. 
I see a lot of people maybe 

845
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,120
haven't tried it before, but 
want to give it a go but don't 

846
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,680
want to go in all the way. 
All right, Jess, what's the next

847
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,880
one you got from the community? 
What is a plan and prediction 

848
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,640
for next year? 
I definitely foresee as being 

849
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,280
something that happens is the 
idea of just leaning into brands

850
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,120
and kind of like a focus on, you
know, putting your money into 

851
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,320
brands that share values that 
you share. 

852
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,320
So that could be around the idea
of like eco friendly or eco 

853
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,560
conscious brands, ones who are 
using like recycled materials or

854
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,200
they have like fully recyclable 
materials that they're making or

855
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,600
something like that. 
It could be around the idea of 

856
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,720
like avoiding materials that use
computer generated imagery and 

857
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,400
such. 
That's something that people are

858
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,080
quite passionate about as well. 
So making sure that your kind of

859
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,000
purchases align with the values 
that you hold, that's something 

860
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,320
that I foresee is going to be 
happening next year. 

861
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,840
Yeah, I think it's really 
important. 

862
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,880
We've talked about that, like 
why people stick with certain 

863
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,200
brands and what they're doing 
and why they're doing what 

864
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,280
they're doing. 
And I think that it really does 

865
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,560
make a big difference for me. 
It's always been very big. 

866
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,320
I love when I can align myself 
with the brand, especially if 

867
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,840
they have products that I like, 
but they're doing cool things, 

868
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,240
experimenting, doing all of 
that. 

869
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,680
And it really kind of hurts my 
feelings when it goes the other 

870
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,520
way. 
And I'm like, why? 

871
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,720
Why are you excluding people? 
Like this is supposed to be a 

872
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,600
very inclusive space. 
This doesn't need to be, yes, do

873
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,000
it this way, don't do it this 
way. 

874
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,160
Or like, let's be more open 
minded to it, right? 

875
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,160
Let's try different things. 
I think that's why a lot of 

876
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,920
people do kind of pick and 
choose. 

877
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,320
There was a number of ones. 
I didn't make it into the 

878
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,560
episode today, but there was 
like brands I've never heard of 

879
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,400
before. 
And I'm like, oh, that's kind of

880
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,000
cool to like go down that route.
Like maybe there's someone new 

881
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,320
doing something different. 
So I think even just like 

882
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,520
listening to more than just 
like, what is the thing that I 

883
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,480
have? 
But like who's the brand that's 

884
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,240
making it? 
Who's the person or the people 

885
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,760
behind? 
Do I align with what they're 

886
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,840
doing and how they're doing it? 
And if not to be like, yeah, 

887
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,280
this isn't really my kind of 
thing. 

888
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,640
It's, I mean, it's a consumer 
product at the end of the day. 

889
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,280
Like you don't, there's plenty 
of other notebooks and 

890
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,400
stationary out there. 
Let's be real, right? 

891
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,760
Like, so if something's not 
feeling right kind of gives you 

892
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,320
the ick, it's OK to try 
something different because 

893
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,280
you'll probably find something 
else out there that you really 

894
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,600
like a lot more. 
Yeah. 

895
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,280
And so I think that we will also
as part of this, see a rise of 

896
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,960
brands putting their brand 
values or the kind of like 

897
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,280
things that they stand for more 
the forefront. 

898
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,800
So people can make those 
conscious decisions about like, 

899
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,160
oh, I'm going to support XYZ 
because they support ABC. 

900
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,280
So it'll be nice to see more of 
that kind of summarize that 

901
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,040
maybe their marketing materials 
or just on their websites and 

902
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,920
stuff like that. 
So it's a lot more kind of 

903
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,440
upfront in your face so that 
making those choices can be a 

904
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,920
lot easier, especially when it 
comes to like computer generated

905
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440
art and such. 
Sometimes it's hard to tell 

906
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,360
like, you know, there are tells 
and such about whether something

907
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,240
has or hasn't been made by a a 
real people versus as a computer

908
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,120
people quote, quote. 
But I think that being able to 

909
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,880
say with confidence that 
something is or isn't because 

910
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,280
the brand has put out, yeah, we,
you know, 100% design our 

911
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,440
designs like this is by real 
people in the back on their 

912
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,280
graphics tablet pushing this out
for you versus we typed in some 

913
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,200
things into the Chatchipati and 
the Chatchipati give us this 

914
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,600
picture of a flower. 
Yeah, usually you just look for 

915
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,280
like any type of human that has 
more than like the normal number

916
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,000
of digits. 
That's usually a big tell. 

917
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,800
And then any type of wording 
usually is like, does not mean 

918
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:15,760
anything. 
And I know it. 

919
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,400
Like at first glance we don't 
see that. 

920
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,320
And I'm always like like as an 
artist myself, I'm like iffy 

921
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,160
about it. 
There are AI functionality that 

922
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,280
make it a lot easier to do what 
we do. 

923
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,240
But when someone's just like 
blasting out designs because 

924
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:33,440
they want them to buy it and 
it's not quite it, like again, 

925
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,520
you have to align yourself with 
it and say I'm either OK with it

926
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,520
or I'm not, you know, And that's
and honestly, at the end of the 

927
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,760
day, like you don't have to say 
it out loud if you don't want 

928
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,160
to, you know, like it kind of 
maybe could get you in trouble. 

929
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,760
So like no shade like you do 
you, but just know like you have

930
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,040
to make that decision and feel 
OK with it at the end of the 

931
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,480
day. 
Yeah, I think that even being 

932
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,640
able to tell nowadays because 
like, yeah, we used to be able 

933
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,760
to rely on does she have like 
way too many fingers or like 2 

934
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,320
rows of teeth or something like 
that. 

935
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,600
But it's, it's crazy how much 
better it has gotten in such a 

936
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,160
short amount of time. 
So nowadays the ones that I'm 

937
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,920
really looking for is the 
intricacies is like a, would a 

938
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:14,040
human person go to the effort to
put this level of detail in for 

939
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,640
this type of product? 
Because oftentimes if it's like 

940
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,880
a roll of tape with like 
hardcore intricate details and 

941
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,320
such, probably not. 
Or if they did, then I should be

942
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,520
paying a lot more for it. 
But what was your next 

943
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,600
prediction? 
So the last one that we're going

944
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,520
to go over today just cracked me
up because this one came from a 

945
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,640
few people and I just was like 
laughing. 

946
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,880
The prediction is that after 
January that these people are no

947
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,720
longer going to use their 
journals anymore. 

948
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Like this age-old. 
I bought the thing, I made the 

949
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600
thing, I plan to use the thing 
and do it. 

950
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,000
I did it for a few weeks, it 
didn't work out for me. 

951
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,360
And now I'm abandoning this, you
know, one month in. 

952
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,960
This is why when we spoke a few 
episodes ago about like testing 

953
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,200
things out and trying them, you 
actually said it to me. 

954
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,680
You're like, Mark, this is 
actually the best time to test 

955
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,600
and do because you've actually 
got a few months until you 

956
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,480
really technically have to like 
choose for the new year. 

957
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,160
And that's exactly what I've 
been doing. 

958
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,600
And it's been really awesome to 
be able to sit back and I take a

959
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,600
week at a time and try something
different because I want to go 

960
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,840
into the new year knowing like 
I've made the right choice, 

961
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,240
right? 
I've invested, I've paid the 

962
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:20,840
money, I've done the thing, I've
given the time, and I wanted to 

963
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,560
pay off for me at the end of the
year. 

964
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,680
I want to be able to use my 
fountain pens inside of my 

965
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,960
notebooks this year and be happy
about each week as I flip the 

966
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,760
page, right? 
Like that's a really big thing 

967
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,320
I'm looking for this year for 
myself just because of what I 

968
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,160
like to do. 
Someone else, it might look 

969
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,480
totally different, right? 
You might want a certain type of

970
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,320
paper or grid or dot or lined or
whatever that looks like. 

971
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,040
Give it a go before you pick and
choose so you don't get to this 

972
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,640
point. 
But I still think it was just 

973
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,160
hilarious to see. 
Like, yeah, my planning 

974
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,040
prediction is that I'm not going
to be using it after the start 

975
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,760
of the year because that happens
every year. 

976
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,000
Yeah, especially when you see 
these people putting out their 

977
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,560
like, you know, journal lineup 
or plan a stack or whatever. 

978
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,680
It's like, Oh yeah, here are 
like the 26 different notebooks 

979
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,760
I'm going to use. 
No shade, not really. 

980
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,240
OK Like if you want to use 26 
notebooks and they all have a 

981
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:08,080
purpose and you're happy, go 
forth, be merry about it. 

982
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,520
But I do wonder if we get a kind
of like, you know, influencing 

983
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,800
people, see these fat stacks of 
planners and go, oh, OK, well, 

984
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,680
maybe I should add some more 
into my system. 

985
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,600
And they do. 
And they have great intentions. 

986
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,120
And I'm not calling you out on 
this because I do this. 

987
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,880
All right, Know that this is me 
as well. 

988
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,440
But we put together these stacks
of different journals and 

989
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,760
planners and such we're going to
use. 

990
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,640
And then the reality sets in 
like we get to January 1st, 2nd,

991
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,920
3rd, 10th and we realize, OK, 
yeah, in the day-to-day actually

992
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,240
using this, it's a no from me. 
I think that the ones most at 

993
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:44,280
risk are usually the ones that 
are like completely new in some 

994
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,320
way. 
So for instance, like the five 

995
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,800
year journal, if you haven't 
done daily memory keeping like 

996
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,320
that, where you do have to like 
do a daily touch on that 

997
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,680
notebook, then that's probably 
at risk of wah wah. 

998
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,800
Unless you have some really good
implementation intentions around

999
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,720
that. 
You're like, I have this time in

1000
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:01,800
this place. 
I will sit down and write my 

1001
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,560
notes. 
I've got that for my 1. 

1002
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,240
So it has actually survived, 
which is nice, but there are 

1003
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:09,240
plenty journals that I have set 
up, started with like, Yep, this

1004
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,040
is going to be the thing. 
I'm going to be using this for 

1005
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,680
the rest of the year or several 
years. 

1006
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,080
And now they're just relics of a
time past. 

1007
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,400
I'm thinking like my notes book,
my language learning journal, my

1008
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,920
travel journal, half of my R&D 
journals that I started off with

1009
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,920
great intentions and then 
realized the paper was and 

1010
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,720
decided that I wasn't going to 
use it anymore. 

1011
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,200
Or my first long term 
collections journal that I was 

1012
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,320
like, Yep, this is going to be 
the one. 

1013
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,560
This is going to be my like 
reference book of all of the 

1014
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,520
materials that I need for the 
rest of forever. 

1015
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,760
And again, then I decided the 
paper sucked and I set up a new 

1016
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,160
one. 
And then I set up a new one when

1017
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,760
I decided I didn't like that one
anymore. 

1018
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,560
And then I moved everything to 
Notion. 

1019
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,800
And eventually I'll probably 
move everything out of Notion 

1020
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,200
and just keep it in a notebook 
under my bed or something. 

1021
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,800
But it's all good if you start 
something with good intentions, 

1022
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,560
like, Yep, this is going to be 
the notebook that changes it all

1023
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,160
for me. 
This is going to be the one that

1024
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,240
does everything and it doesn't 
work out. 

1025
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,400
You're allowed to be a learner. 
You're allowed to take time to 

1026
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,520
figure out your system and find 
things that work for you. 

1027
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,640
Just make sure you're honest 
with yourself when something is 

1028
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,560
or isn't working. 
Yeah, and then you go and you 

1029
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,440
find other uses for it on 
something else. 

1030
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,920
Jess and I both have great 
videos of that over on a YouTube

1031
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,560
channel. 
So like, how do we use a journal

1032
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,080
that, you know, maybe it's 
halfway done or you only used a 

1033
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,440
month, What do you do with the 
rest of it? 

1034
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,480
And there's other planners too, 
outside of that that do that 

1035
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,320
then just us. 
But you know, why not self 

1036
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,080
promote ourselves while we're 
here? 

1037
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,680
But we'd love to hear from you 
planner pals on these topics. 

1038
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,520
Whether you agree or disagree 
with some of these predictions 

1039
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,640
for the new year, or maybe we 
didn't mention yours or you've 

1040
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,080
got one that you've just been 
seeing a tunnel in line. 

1041
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,600
Make sure you let us know. 
We'd love to hear from you, 

1042
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
whether it's in the comments, if
you're watching this on YouTube 

1043
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,440
or over on Spotify. 
Or if you're listening, you can 

1044
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,520
also drop comments over on 
Spotify too. 

1045
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:44,480
And you can always hit us up 
over on our e-mail address, 

1046
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,800
right? 
We love checking that the emails

1047
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,200
responding to 
youthereplannerpalspodcast@gmail.com.

1048
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,080
And of course, over on all of 
our socials at Planner Pals 

1049
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,640
Podcast. 
Very much curious to see which 

1050
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,800
ones you agree with, disagree 
with or just general predictions

1051
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,600
because I do think it's a lot of
fun, like future casting, 

1052
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,160
thinking about what may or may 
not happen. 

1053
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,640
I don't think again, that we've 
made any predictions that 

1054
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,960
actually have, you know, 
accurate ways to measure them. 

1055
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,480
So we should not be doing any 
kind of chicken to be like, were

1056
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,800
we right? 
But I am very excited to read 

1057
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,200
your thoughts, planner pals. 
And as always, thanks for 

1058
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:15,640
watching.