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Welcome to the Planner Pals 
Podcast, a podcast with two true

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planner pals. 
My name is Mark or Mark your 

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pages. 
And I am Jess or Jessie Curran. 

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And in today's episode, we're 
going to be looking at community

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versus competition, in 
particular, how it kind of 

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pertains to the planner 
community. 

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We're going to be thinking about
the changes that we've seen 

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during our time in the planner 
community and kind of a bit of a

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consideration as to where we are
now. 

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Before we get to that, we have 
to thank all of the amazing 

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listeners out there for 
commenting on our last video, 

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All about Go Wild. 
It was fantastic just to hear 

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from the community, but more 
than that, how awesome Jess was 

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it to meet people face to face 
it Go Wild. 

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It was such an amazing time. 
I know it's always such a good 

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time getting to meet people in 
real life. 

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Like anytime somebody comes to 
my end of the world and says 

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like, hey, I'm like in 
Wellington, do you want to meet 

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up? 
I'm like absolutely, yes, I want

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to meet you. 
So having a place where like 

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everybody is there already and 
everybody's kind of, you know, 

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there for the same thing or 
whatnot, that was really 

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exciting. 
It's always just like nice to be

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in the room where it happens as 
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And having it be my first like 
full experience as well. 

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We have a lot to talk about 
South. 

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We've decided that we're going 
to push some of our other ideas 

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back a little bit because we're 
like, well, we have to obviously

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talk about go wild. 
Next time we'll have just a wrap

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up episode to really talk about 
this, our full experiences. 

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You shared so much helpful 
information. 

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I do have to tell you that I was
just as I was editing that 

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podcast and I was jotting down 
notes, I was like OK, Mark, this

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is what it's going to be like. 
And while for the most part it 

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was all there, it just the way 
that it happens is so cool and I

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can't wait to share more about 
just like no, we talked about my

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prep to get ready for the crop 
but just talk about that because

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that was that was next level 
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So excited to talk about that 
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So, yay, looking forward to that
episode kind of again. 

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Yeah, go well 2.0, like I don't 
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like the the high come down and 
all of that. 

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We're gonna get all into that 
next week. 

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But as said in today's episode, 
yes, we're looking at community 

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versus competition and how this 
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particular. 
So kicking off like what do we 

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actually mean by this. 
So if we're thinking about our 

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competitors or other people who 
are creating things in our 

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niche, you can you probably know
who they are, you know the names

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that are out there. 
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Internet, for us that would be 
very much like the bullet 

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journaling space. 
So who else is putting out 

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bullet journaling related 
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Obviously there's the Bullet 
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I don't even think of them as a 
competitor because like they're 

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the reason that we're here kind 
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And that kind of, you know, 
having started this journey of 

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doing bullet journaling and then
sharing it online and stuff 

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would not have happened without 
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So I cannot even remotely think 
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trying to see the people who are
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you, not so much as somebody who
you're kind of like fighting 

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against for attention, but more 
so people that you can kind of 

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build connections with in other 
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So then everything feels a 
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friendly, nice, approachable 
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Definitely. 
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as you start to grow on social 
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posting about your bull 
adrenaline and your planner, you

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can definitely see others as 
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I've been there. 
I've definitely been like oh 

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they have more followers than I 
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I did or they had more likes. 
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with like the stats part of it. 
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like I don't like that person 
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But it all has to do a lot like 
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Who's looking at what, who's 
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those types of things when you 
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competition part of it. 
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in further into this episode, 
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community part, which for me 
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comes first and that eventually 
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and you realize we're all a part
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Let's celebrate one another. 
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It's kind of interesting to 
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transition and you might not 
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like a set point in time where 
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a switch or anything like that. 
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started out, I was very much in 
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than camp community and I'm very
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camp community now. 
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When I look back and I think 
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that really was kind of stifling
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I don't think a lot of people 
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accepting or open to that 
community part, people start to 

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notice that when you're not 
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it kind of comes across almost 
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you're a part of this community,
so why wouldn't you interact 

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with everyone? 
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to think about is that history 
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minute ago when I got up and 
running, you really do feel like

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you're competing against others 
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attention. 
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going to speak from an Instagram
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feel like that's where I've 
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like I personally have seen a 
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It could creep over into YouTube
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But right now I'll just speak on
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you know, when I got started up 
and running, I kind of felt like

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I had two kind of competitors in
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One was just the general 
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especially when I was new and I 
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there's all these people out 
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But I think more than anything, 
early on I saw other 

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competitors, other nails in the 
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because there aren't a whole lot
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That's a separate podcast 
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like. 
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well, I'm vying for that 
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I want people to look at my 
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over theirs. 
But now again, I was like, Mark,

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you're not in competition. 
Like, can we celebrate that 

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there are actually other guys 
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Because to be honest, like the 
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started, my username was Men who
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I was like, OK, I don't see any 
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as male in this space, 
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changed my name in the long run 
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male. 
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kind of fun, functional kind of 
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this, let's support each other. 
Let's go through all of this. 

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But early on for myself, it very
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you want to stand out. 
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you're taking on social media 
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butter, right. 
That's kind of that's money at 

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the end of the day. 
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you versus someone else. 
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smaller subset of the bullet 
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who bullet and males in our 
community and stuff who we don't

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see as many of especially in the
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they're there, I know you're 
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surfaced as much, right. 
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interesting to see like you 
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and the way that you kind of 
like carve out and channel your 

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nation particular. 
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like anybody else who's kind of 
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encroaching on your turf. 
It's not really like that. 

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Like we said, like we're we're 
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a community kind of based kind 
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that you're doing can feel 
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Like especially when you're just
starting out, you haven't really

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established any kind of like 
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around what you are doing. 
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other people are doing what I'm 
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Going to steal people away from 
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I find for me, it's like you 
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like, people can follow more 
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And they definitely do. 
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And also when it comes to the 
idea of, like putting things out

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there that either like other 
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once you put yours out, then 
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thing. 
It's actually not a bad thing, 

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especially if we think about it 
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So if we think about YouTube, 
right, so you go to YouTube, you

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look up a topic, you watch a 
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The stuff that's suggested on 
the side panel is usually the 

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same topic or very similar. 
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a video that's like, let's say 
about, I don't know, health 

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related layouts or something. 
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creators that have put out 
things related to health related

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layouts. 
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grow together, feed off each 
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is gonna get recommended 
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So for yourself, just where do 
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you, when you first started, 
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did you have a similar type of 
competition view early on for 

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yourself, not that you're not 
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demographic, but right, we're 
being honest with our numbers 

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here, the male demographic 
versus female, very, very skewed

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and very unbalanced. 
What was your take on the 

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competition part? 
Did you feel any of that early 

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on or even as you've continued 
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And I think it is very much tied
to that kind of statistics and 

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analytics because as as you're 
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especially the public ones, like
the ones that you can see at 

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face value for yourself and for 
others because that's really 

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your only comparison point. 
You know, you put out a picture,

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somebody else puts out a picture
the same day around, around the 

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same time kind of things like, 
oh, they've got like 500 more 

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likes than me. 
Like what did I do wrong? 

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What are they doing that's so 
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negative headspace of either 

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like, you know, self beration 
like, oh gosh, like I have 

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failed on this Instagram picture
or whatever versus kind of 

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targeting them being like, Oh 
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Like why do people think that 
yours is so great but mine 

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isn't? 
It's kind of needing to take a 

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little step back from that and 
be like, wow, check yourself 

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Jess. 
Like just because you don't have

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the same number of likes does 
not mean that, like the worth 

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isn't the same or something like
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Do you feel like you've seen 
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YouTube or a mix of both of 
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I just, I carry my baggage 
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Like wherever I'm going. 
Like, yeah, yeah, see me up on 

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threads, looking through 
people's likes. 

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Absolutely not. 
I do not thread, but I will say 

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that like going from Instagram 
to YouTube because that was my 

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first kind of big transition I 
suppose like you know building 

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up one community, one platform 
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building that one up. 
I think that I did certainly 

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take it with me, but I was still
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my overall social media kind of 
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So I think that by the time that
I made a YouTube channel, I know

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I had a decent ish following on 
Instagram. 

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It would have been in the some 
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I wouldn't be able to to tell 
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was still kind of like in the 
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use. 
So I was still very much seeing 

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other people as something to be 
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Like, oh gosh, you know, if I 
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like, that's going to be a bad 
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Or if they do the same thing as 
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It's not. 
It's not. 

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I see a lot of that more on 
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I feel like for myself now as I 
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of that comparison and and 
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maybe it feels more competitive 
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for me, like at this moment, 
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money, Adsense and all of those 
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you have similar content. 
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with the content itself being 
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There's only so many ideas that 
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I do the same thing. 
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I was like, yeah, OK, what did 
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Why is their video getting more 
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And how can I like one up them 
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So next time people look at my 
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is just a very negative kind of 
space to get into. 

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I think it's healthy to be a 
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That kind of puts a little fire 
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we use that creatively versus 
that competition negative force?

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that idea to like money to the 
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views matter in terms of the 
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get from your content. 
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views in particular are a hard 
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created the same, yet I treat 
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because obviously in your own 
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back end of YouTube, you know, 
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view duration. 
Like how long do people actually

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stick around and view the 
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You can see like a really nice 
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number of comments and stuff 
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interaction, how many people or,
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people clicked the end card like
they made it to the end and they

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wanted to stay with you. 
You can see all that information

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which those statistics could 
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picture compared to just like 
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somebody stuck around for 30 
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it wasn't for them. 
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almost a little revelation 
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I'm like, why do I pay so much 
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Because I do find myself 
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to other creators, and I feel 
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way now to an extent. 
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Youtubing, it was certainly a 
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Let's dig into that a little bit
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a therapy session it seems like,
which is a very good one to 

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have. 
So let's continue on that point.

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If you think about that 
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community earlier on in your 
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changed for you? 
I think that my tendency to fall

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into comparison is lesser now, 
but when it hits it is much more

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intense. 
I find that when I was first 

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starting off, I would kind of 
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it was usually kind of like a 
passing thought. 

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So, you know, check out a bunch 
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have on YouTube for bullet 
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that's where we're at and and 
see what they're doing, see 

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their numbers and stuff. 
But I wouldn't really let myself

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dwell on it because I was too 
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trying to build up my own stuff,
too busy trying to get out my 

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videos and all of that kind of 
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I feel like now, as I've maybe 
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maybe I just have more time to 
ruminate or something. 

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But I do find that I don't 
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ruminate. 
When I do find somebody that I 

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really, really start comparing 
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bad to the extent where, like my
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to cold Turkey. 
Quit watching their content 

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because I would find myself 
going on to somebody's video and

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they'd like, you know, do their 
intro. 

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And internal Jess, the best she 
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Like internally I would never 
say it out loud because I know 

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that like the first thought is 
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Actions speak louder than words,
all of this kind of thing. 

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But internal Jess who, if we 
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separate person, she's just 
afraid. 

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Like, she's just afraid that 
somebody else, you know, in this

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instance, this person doing 
well, is gonna be like, you 

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know, some kind of negative 
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And Rational Jess knows that 
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Scared Jess, though. 
She doesn't know any better. 

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Scared Jess needs to like, you 
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has some control over the 
situation. 

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So she's gonna be like, 
parroting back what the person 

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says in her mocking tone. 
But that's not, that's not real 

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Jess. 
That's scared, Jess. 

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That's a very interesting way to
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I'll be very specific with this 
10 expectation for you to name 

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names here, because I don't want
anyone feel this way. 

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But I'll use this just as an 
example so that people maybe can

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get a good idea of like what 
this means because I very much 

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look up to this person so that 
Reglan has been on YouTube for a

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long time, He's in a lot of 
Bullet Journal content. 

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I was so excited to find his 
content early on when I started 

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because I wasn't seeing anybody 
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say, inside of the space. 
So I loved watching his videos 

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and going through that. 
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his viewership and how many 
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videos and things like that. 
And so early on, I very much 

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kind of looked up to him, and I 
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but especially when I I was a 
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well known. 
And he was, I was like, OK. 

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And then as I started to grow, I
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starting to get up there a 
little bit. 

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And then Matt had decided to 
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time. 
And I felt like he kind of went 

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away for a little bit. 
He was doing his own kind of 

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exploration and thing. 
And then I want to say maybe a 

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handful of months ago, he came 
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And he started to post more 
content and instantly I was like

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son of a bitch, like he's back. 
And I was. 

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And then I stopped myself and I 
thought, actually this is great,

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like, this is awesome for him. 
This is awesome for other guys 

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in this community to see that. 
But it was that split second. 

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But it's exactly like what you 
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It was almost like, OK, Mark, 
you've been putting out content.

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You know, there's other again, 
there's other guys on YouTube 

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that are doing this as well. 
But I really felt like a lot of 

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people were, you know, my 
account was growing, so 

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obviously I knew that people 
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content. 
Now was it because my stuff was 

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getting better or was it because
I was kind of the only person 

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they were kind of seeing out 
there? 

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And again, for that split 
second, I felt that way. 

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And then I think it is the 
maturity of myself and social 

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media that was like, no, Mark, 
this isn't bad. 

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This is actually really good for
the community. 

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And like, I've, I've always been
a fan of his regardless, right? 

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But just again, that's just an 
example because you get a lot of

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love for Matt this. 
Again, everything he's done and 

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continues to do, I always think 
is fantastic. 

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But just as an example of 
showing like this is real, what 

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happens is exactly like you 
said, it was almost maybe I felt

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almost too comfortable with my 
process and flow and then 

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suddenly I was like great, it's 
amazing. 

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Creators back, everyone loves 
his videos. 

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Are they going to stop watching 
your mind to watch that? 

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He just realized it just is a 
totally different purview on 

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planning than I do. 
And for anyone who loves like a 

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super minimalistic, very 
productivity like focused, he's 

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your guy and I'm your guy for 
like the fun and functional 

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stuff. 
That's kind of how I look at it 

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now, because I feel more 
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before I didn't feel like I had 
that. 

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I think that's the thing, yeah. 
If you set yourself apart in 

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some way, then your nation is 
instantly different. 

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There isn't a competition for 
that, which is kind of nice. 

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I remember seeing a quote once. 
It said something like you're 

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not responsible for your first 
thought, but you are responsible

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for your second thought and your
first action. 

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And I I need to remind myself of
that. 

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Like those very reactionary kind
of gut feelings that we get when

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we're presented with an 
opportunity to, like, be jealous

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or see somebody as competition 
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member. 
That's not real us. 

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We're we're responsible for the 
second thing that comes after 

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that. 
You know, maybe it's like the 

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rationalization of like, no, 
actually, this is a good thing. 

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It's a good thing for our 
community to have different 

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perspectives. 
It's nice when we have people 

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who are on the same page as 
well. 

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So it's like if I'm putting out 
a piece of content about like, I

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don't know, ways to not burn out
with your bullet journal and 

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somebody else makes the same 
kind of video with similar 

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points. 
Like it's just another 

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opportunity for people to be 
reinforced with that idea. 

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And that is a good thing. 
Need to see it more. 

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So like we're all kind of on the
same page, we're all like trying

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to build the community up in the
same way. 

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And that's that's not a negative
thing. 

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Not at all, not at all. 
So let's continue on that 

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thought if you're OK with it, 
unless you have anything else 

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you wanted to share about any of
that competition part before we 

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move on to like negative effects
of feeling that way. 

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No, no, I think that we can 
totally get into the negative 

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things because I find that I and
possibly a lot of other people 

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too have a big negativity bias. 
So when we think about like you 

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know, community versus 
competition, you know instantly 

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just even with the term versus 
my mind goes to the negative 

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space. 
Like what is the like the bad 

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kind of like version of this 
look like. 

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We will of course get into some 
positives as well. 

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But starting with the negative, 
what do you think some of the 

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negative consequences of that 
are? 

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I definitely think a big part 
could potentially be creativity 

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burnout, right? 
And this is if you decide that 

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you are going to counteract this
feeling by overcompensating. 

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So in the case of Instagram, 
that could come in the form of 

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working extra hard to create 
more spreads and get more photos

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out there, doubling down in 
reels, which I think are a great

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idea overall. 
But you can easily get 

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creatively burned out from that.
And I think even more so would 

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be pumping out even more content
on something like YouTube 

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because that takes significantly
more time to make make that 

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happen because you got to create
the content recorded, edit it, 

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boy all the things that come 
along with it. 

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And you and I both know this 
from creating content ourselves.

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You know I have 15 minute video 
can sometimes take an hour, 2 

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hours, 3 hours start to maybe 
more. 

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You have a lot, you do a lot of 
your videos. 

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So I have to give you a lot of 
respect. 

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Mine typically I think at Max 
maybe by the time start to done 

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are probably in the two to three
hour mark from like ideation, 

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recording, editing, B roll. 
All of that kind of stuff. 

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So I feel like I can imagine 
myself doing anything more than 

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I already am. 
But that is how I feel like a 

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lot of people could potentially 
burnout. 

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What about for yourself? 
What other things do you think 

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negatively affected you? 
Or others perhaps? 

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I think that burnout is probably
a big one, even if it's not in 

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the sense of like trying to 
increase your workload, like 

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make your content better or put 
more out. 

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But it's just, you know, you 
spend this time, this energy, 

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this effort to like, you know, 
for us to make a layout and then

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make the content around that, 
whether that be video or, you 

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know, audio or photo or whatever
else. 

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And then to put it out there and
see it not do as well as you 

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were hoping. 
It's it's an it's an opportunity

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00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,200
to get really down on yourself. 
And honestly that happens a lot 

451
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,000
of the time. 
You know, you put something out 

452
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,440
there, you expect it to be 
hopefully well received. 

453
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,360
Fingers crossed please universe.
And then it gets like 2 likes 

454
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:58,040
and your mom comments on it or 
something. 

455
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,160
You're like cool, Thanks. 
I spent six hours on this. 

456
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,000
For what kind of a thing? 
I feel that way a lot for a lot 

457
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,960
of like bullet journal setup 
videos, like for myself for 

458
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,440
instance. 
That is something that I 

459
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,240
definitely compare myself to 
others because I watch a lot of 

460
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,000
those myself and I check them 
out and I'm like, Oh my gosh, 

461
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,160
it's like a 45 minute video with
a ton of likes and then I go to 

462
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,760
create mine and they don't take 
as long. 

463
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,880
It's totally different. 
And then I used to get under 

464
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,440
1000 views on those types of 
YouTube videos. 

465
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,960
I actually stopped doing that 
because I was like, OK, mark, 

466
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,480
that effort versus reward, that 
time kind of thing. 

467
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,400
I would spend all this time 
creating and editing, uploading 

468
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,560
that sometimes on a weekly basis
and not get a whole lot of 

469
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,280
viewership. 
And it's not that it has to be a

470
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,800
certain limit, but for me, like 
my number was always like 1000 

471
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,240
views for myself because I 
always kind of trended a bit 

472
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,520
smaller on those. 
And then I did have that 

473
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,280
realization after a while of 
like, I'm just doing this 

474
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,080
almost. 
I'm competing with all these 

475
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,440
other people that are doing 
this. 

476
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,280
It's just not really worth my 
time. 

477
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,640
I like doing it. 
I'm doing it anyway on a weekly 

478
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,200
basis. 
But maybe I can utilize my time 

479
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,080
differently than, you know, 
putting out those videos 

480
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,920
constantly trying to compete 
with everybody else out there. 

481
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,000
Yeah. 
And I think that after a while, 

482
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,680
like if you start to really 
start chasing those views or 

483
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,320
chasing likes or anything like 
this, you really just kind of 

484
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,240
suck the joy out of the whole 
process. 

485
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,880
Like, there's a reason that, you
know, you and I, and there's a 

486
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,600
reason that you may be 
listening, started creating 

487
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,280
content. 
If you're creating content, you 

488
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,000
know, why? 
What was that? 

489
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Like? 
Get back to that kind of purpose

490
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,480
about it. 
For me it was really about I 

491
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,280
have ideas and I want to share 
them with other people because I

492
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,320
think they could be helpful. 
At the end of the day, if a post

493
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,920
helps like one person, then 
technically speaking that's like

494
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,840
you know, checking the box 
mission fulfilled. 

495
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,920
Like I have shared an idea it 
was useful to somebody. 

496
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,800
I think it can be a little bit 
difficult. 

497
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,720
You know, when, when it's that 
kind of a a mission or an aim 

498
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,600
and knowing whether or not, you 
know, mission has actually been 

499
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,880
accomplished without those kind 
of like, you know, viewership 

500
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,880
kind of statistics or comments. 
Saying to the fact, not that I'm

501
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,400
like, you know, sitting there 
expecting every single person 

502
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,240
who got value out of one of my 
pieces of content to come back 

503
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,400
and tell and be like, Oh my God,
yes, this layout like changed my

504
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,600
life or whatever. 
Because often times they're not 

505
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,160
going to do that. 
They might just be a little bit 

506
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,560
helpful. 
And that's still good. 

507
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,600
It's still OK, right. 
Like tiny winds are still winds.

508
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,520
But if you're kind of, you know,
constantly chasing this idea of 

509
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,880
like need to have more viewers, 
need to have more likes, need to

510
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,280
have more comments or whatever 
else, it it starts to be more 

511
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,240
about that than about the 
enjoyment and fulfilment of 

512
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,920
that. 
Kind of like initial kick off of

513
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,760
like why you started. 
Yeah, the validation is always 

514
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,560
nice, no doubt about it. 
As a creator, as a performer, 

515
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,840
you know, so to say of of what 
we're doing right at the 

516
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,880
validation is definitely nice. 
I definitely like what you just 

517
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,240
said though, this idea of almost
going back to why did you start 

518
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,360
doing this? 
Because I just remember very 

519
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:57,440
early on for myself, you know, 
my why most certainly was to try

520
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,000
to inspire others, especially 
other guys in the community. 

521
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,400
But now it's more just like 
anybody that doesn't want to 

522
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,000
have overly decorative spreads, 
that wants a functional bullet 

523
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,080
journal while also sometimes 
having fun and geeking out about

524
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,640
stationary. 
Like I remind myself about that 

525
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,400
all the time. 
Because you do always feel like 

526
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,200
you're kind of trying to one up 
what's happening in the 

527
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,280
community, what's happening on 
Reels? 

528
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,680
How are people approaching 
things just taking that moment? 

529
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,960
Just to really think about that 
as a really good reflection 

530
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,560
point, I think. 
And for anyone who's maybe 

531
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:32,760
feeling that way, overwhelmed, 
overrun by that comparison troll

532
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,640
that comes at you sometimes 
sitting back and saying, well, 

533
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,440
why did I even start this in the
beginning? 

534
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,200
Because if it's for a very 
selfish reason and not for other

535
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,440
pieces, you may find yourself, 
maybe you need to take a break 

536
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,760
so you don't go too far down 
that depressive, you know, 

537
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,920
sucking the joy out of life and 
fun. 

538
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,360
Because that's not what this is 
supposed to be about. 

539
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,880
No, we're we're getting kind of 
you know into the waves of the 

540
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,520
negative parts of competition in
particular. 

541
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,960
But that's not to say that it 
isn't without its merits. 

542
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:03,280
I think that competition can and
be a good thing in particular 

543
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,080
for just like striving to be 
better. 

544
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,360
I find that, you know, you see 
people putting out content 

545
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:10,760
that's kind of similar to yours 
or maybe like something that you

546
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,760
wanted to do in particular. 
That is such a big one. 

547
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,240
The number of ideas I have that 
takes so long to execute on and 

548
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,840
having some competition kind of 
just lights a fire under my 

549
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,080
butt. 
To be like Jess, you need to do 

550
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,640
this. 
Do you find that as well or? 

551
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,200
Oh, all the time. 
Especially when I have an idea 

552
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,360
that's in the hopper or I have 
an outline and then I see 

553
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:34,200
someone put out a video on that.
And in my brain I'm almost like,

554
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,920
damn it, Mark. 
Like you should have just 

555
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,040
followed through all that faster
because you could have been the 

556
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,440
first one out with that. 
And then I'm always like, well, 

557
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,720
now I can't put it out in the 
next 2-3 weeks because when 

558
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,280
someone's going to think, I'm 
copying them and I just put 

559
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,880
myself into this kind of weird 
space. 

560
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,640
But that is definitely something
where I think about that often. 

561
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,280
Like, Mark, when you know you 
have a good idea or you think 

562
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,360
it's going to go really well, 
just buckle down, get it done, 

563
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,600
get it out. 
And then you'll just feel better

564
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,160
about that than like, losing out
on an idea for sure. 

565
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,120
But it is that fire that you get
sometimes. 

566
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,480
If you're like, I just needed 
someone to kick me in the butt 

567
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,480
to be like, yeah, do this thing.
And that's a great example for 

568
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,720
me where I'm always like, damn 
it, I should have just did it. 

569
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,760
I knew I should have not just 
rested on my laurels waiting for

570
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,000
that to happen, you know? 
I have two very specific 

571
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,120
examples about that. 
One of them was on YouTube. 

572
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:23,760
So Aaron of Aaron Floater 
Designs put out a couple of 

573
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,400
videos about her Bujo Basic 
series and I was like I was 

574
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,800
gonna do that. 
I'm like Jessica, you have said 

575
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,720
that you are going to do this 
for like 2 1/2 years. 

576
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,360
You cannot get angry because 
Aaron actually did the thing 

577
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,680
right and I still did the thing.
I still ended up doing it. 

578
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,640
Mine ended up being like a 40 
video series where each of the 

579
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,720
videos were like 6 minutes or 
less. 

580
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,160
It was very kind of like little 
bite sized pieces and it was 

581
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,560
effectively ended up being like 
a Bujo course and it was a piece

582
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,480
of work that I was very proud of
but I don't think I would have 

583
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,520
actually gotten on and if Aaron 
hadn't put hers out, so shout 

584
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,480
out to Aaron, you lit the fire 
under my butt and I got it done.

585
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,240
And you got it done very well 
too. 

586
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,920
I have to say that your Bhutto 
series was like very in depth. 

587
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,040
If I think about any of mine 
that have been like, you know, 

588
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,200
starting in your bullet journal,
how to get started. 

589
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,640
Mine are just like little 1520 
minute chunks on like what it 

590
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,160
is. 
Whereas, like yours were 

591
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,960
fantastic because it was like 
broke down, like the terms, the 

592
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,080
pieces and everything. 
I felt like I left there 

593
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,040
learning more and I've been 
doing it for a really long time.

594
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,600
You should have seen the 
planning stages of that. 

595
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,040
I had like 3 iterations with 
what I was just calling my crazy

596
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,000
map, which was effectively like 
start with just a brainstorm. 

597
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Like these are all of the 
different things that we want to

598
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,320
talk about. 
And then the next one was like a

599
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,680
road map of like a cable. 
We're going to make this video 

600
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,320
and it's going to lead to this 
one, it's going to lead to this 

601
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,320
one, it's going to lead to this 
one. 

602
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,920
It turned into this very large 
project that took me a hot 

603
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,160
minute to do. 
But now as it's done, I'm like 

604
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,240
that is a permanent resource 
because of your kind of 

605
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,360
competitive nature with others. 
It actually came into fruition. 

606
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,200
So I'm feeling very good about 
that. 

607
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,920
The other one that I had was a 
real actually, and I'm not, I'm 

608
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,400
not a fan of making reels. 
I try. 

609
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,840
I'm so. 
Good at them, though. 

610
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,680
You make the best educational 
reels. 

611
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,000
I'm over here like, you know, 
lip syncing to some dumb sound, 

612
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,960
and you're like, here's how to 
do a thing very specifically 

613
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,280
with great information. 
I'm like, damn, she's good at 

614
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,240
those. 
I find it to be kind of like a 

615
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,720
little challenge because I like 
to do things in depth. 

616
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,720
I like to really give people a 
lot of detail. 

617
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,560
But of course with a reel you 
only have like 90 seconds. 

618
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,960
So I'm like, OK, well what is 
the most part down abridged 

619
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,080
version of this that I can give 
people that is still actually 

620
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,760
useful. 
So it's kind of like, you know, 

621
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,720
that little challenge for myself
to get that information across 

622
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,080
as quickly as possible. 
But the real in particular that 

623
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,920
I was going to do was actually 
more of a fun one. 

624
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,240
And you guys probably saw them. 
They were fairly recent, but it 

625
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,520
was like what all that work and 
what the Dick? 

626
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,400
Oh yeah, you did one of. 
Those why did I do it? 

627
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,120
Yeah, I know I was going to do 
it. 

628
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,840
And I procrastinated, 
procrastinated, procrastinated. 

629
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,480
And then I can't remember for 
the life of me who did it. 

630
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,080
And now I feel really bad about 
it because obviously in the 

631
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,680
moment I was like, wow, you've 
like ruined my day. 

632
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,640
Not really. 
You didn't ruin my day, right? 

633
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,680
It was just, it was it was 
scared Jess. 

634
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,120
It was small child Jess being 
wah wah wah, No, right. 

635
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,080
But they put theirs out and I 
was like, OK, I could not do it 

636
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,080
now because, like, it's already 
been done. 

637
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,640
But we don't have exactly the 
same audiences, so there's no 

638
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,000
harm in putting it out. 
And even if somebody does think 

639
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880
that I copied them kind of a 
thing, like, you know, I know in

640
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,520
myself that technically 
speaking, I didn't, even though 

641
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,560
it ends up kind of being the 
same thing. 

642
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,320
If anything, I'm copying the, 
like, you know, 600 other people

643
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,840
that I saw to it as I was 
scrolling through my real speed.

644
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,720
So it's kind of reminding myself
that like just because somebody 

645
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,120
else has done it before and now 
I'm doing it, doesn't 

646
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,920
necessarily mean it's actually a
copy. 

647
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,640
Like, you know, we can have 
inspired by rather than like a 

648
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,480
full recreation of. 
Like if I was breaking down 

649
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,960
their reel shot by shot and 
being like, alrighty, I'm going 

650
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,720
to like, you know, make eye 
contact with the camera in 

651
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,040
exactly the same way. 
And I'm going to hold my journal

652
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,800
in exactly the same way that I'm
like, OK, now we should be 

653
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,120
concerned because that's a whole
new level of like copying, but. 

654
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,200
That's one of the things that is
very interesting about reels is 

655
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,760
exactly what you said. 
It's like thousands, millions in

656
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,040
some cases of people doing that.
I mean I technically I guess I'm

657
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,080
stealing from other genres 
because a lot of the funny or 

658
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,800
like very interesting sounds for
whatever reason, book talk is 

659
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,840
the hottest for that type of 
thing for some reason. 

660
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,640
And so I see a lot of stuff 
there. 

661
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,560
But I'm not going to lie to you,
I do get that feeling when I put

662
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,360
something out. 
I haven't seen anyone else in 

663
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,120
the Bullet Journal Planner 
community do it and then like I 

664
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,680
see like another creator do the 
same exact thing. 

665
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,480
Not exactly the same. 
I mean it's a it's like a 7 

666
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,160
second sound. 
You can only do so much, and for

667
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,720
some ideas it's very limited on 
like showing a thing. 

668
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,800
So I can't get mad of someone 
elses showing their notebook 

669
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,760
with this sound because, well, 
all I did was show a notebook. 

670
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,920
It's not exactly the same, but 
it's 5 seconds. 

671
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,200
What are you going to really do?
I have to remind myself of that 

672
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,560
often? 
Because I do pride myself on 

673
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,920
finding cool new sounds and 
trending things and trying to 

674
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,800
get them out there. 
Or I'm like, you're trying to 

675
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,040
steal my fire, but then I'm just
like, Mark, everyone's going to 

676
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,960
forget about this in less than 
two days. 

677
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,120
Move along, buddy. 
You're going to be all right. 

678
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,040
I think it's also that kind of 
like mindset shift of like 

679
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,480
rather than viewing it as a oh, 
you're trying to steal my idea 

680
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,720
that I stole from somebody else 
or whatnot. 

681
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,120
It's more just like a you find 
the same things funny that I do.

682
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Like that's a point of 
connection as well. 

683
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,760
So it's like you found this 
entertaining or like, you know, 

684
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,880
thought it would be entertaining
and enjoyable and I did as well.

685
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,720
And that's why we both put the 
same thing out. 

686
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,280
One of the kind of like I'm 
gonna call like like a 

687
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,280
recreation train almost. 
I think my best example of this 

688
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,520
was I used to make these layouts
in my journal, which were 

689
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,160
effectively like planning spaces
for my next monthly set up. 

690
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,240
So I'd have a space for like, 
you know, colour swatches, 

691
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,000
writing down any kind of, like 
decoration notes of what I kind 

692
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,720
of wanted the vibes to be, any 
of the layouts that I wanted to 

693
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,920
include, the font that I wanted 
to include, that kind of stuff. 

694
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,240
And for a while I found them 
quite useful. 

695
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,520
I'd post some of them on social 
media, put them on YouTube, 

696
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,440
whatever else. 
And then Tori of Creative Mind 

697
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,560
Coffee Grinds shout out. 
She thought that they were, you 

698
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,320
know, looked useful, looked 
interesting. 

699
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,320
So she started doing them 
herself with full credits 

700
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,440
because we love giving credit, 
which is great. 

701
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,760
So I always appreciated when she
tagged me in them and over time 

702
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,280
I stopped doing mine and she 
kind of kept on going with the 

703
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,920
ones she was making and tweaking
them and changing them to the 

704
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,840
point where like, you know, 
she'd give me credit for it. 

705
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,280
Like, you know, original idea by
Jess. 

706
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,800
And I'm like, it looks 
completely different now. 

707
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Tori, this is yours. 
But she effectively, like, re 

708
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,400
inspired me to start taking them
again, which I thought was kind 

709
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,760
of cute. 
So it's like, you know, I 

710
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,640
inspired her. 
Then she kind of changed it, 

711
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,120
tweaked it, and then she 
inspired me, and then I tweaked 

712
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,720
it and changed it. 
So it's like by actually sharing

713
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,440
this stuff, letting other people
share the same ideas that you 

714
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,240
shared as well. 
It's like this iterative process

715
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,040
where you can build it up to 
something that's better than the

716
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,240
initial concept that you had by 
yourself. 

717
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,200
So I thought that was really 
valuable. 

718
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,800
Do you feel like there is a time
limit where you have to give 

719
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,960
credit? 
And then is there a time when 

720
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,520
you feel like you no longer have
to, especially if you've really 

721
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,960
taken or grasped onto something?
And let me ask you that question

722
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,320
first, because I have a very 
specific example about this, 

723
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,840
about a very good friend of ours
that we've mentioned on this 

724
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,800
podcast. 
We might as well just have Julie

725
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,800
on this podcast at this point as
a guest. 

726
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,320
Could we talk about her a lot? 
But let me ask you that question

727
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,640
1st and I'll give you my 
specific example about her. 

728
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,160
That's a great question because 
I think it's really hard 

729
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,800
thinking about like, what that 
kind of time frame should be and

730
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,360
then considering our perspective
of, like, the time frame for 

731
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,000
ourselves versus the time frame 
for other people. 

732
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,800
Because I find that, like, you 
know, somebody might take my 

733
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800
meal log that I used to do quite
often. 

734
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,920
And, you know, for the first 
couple of months, they'll like, 

735
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,920
tag me and say, like, inspired 
by Jess kind of thing. 

736
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,080
Sweet. 
And then they get to like, the 

737
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,720
third or fourth month and they 
won't tag me. 

738
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000
And there's that, like, small 
moment where I'm like, wow, oh, 

739
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,280
my gosh, am I not good enough 
for you anymore? 

740
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,040
And it's like, Jess, you'd 
probably do. 

741
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,600
Exactly the same thing. 
Like you cannot be a persnickety

742
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,280
biscuit because they didn't tag 
you when you would literally do 

743
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,840
the same thing. 
But again, you know, the first 

744
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,880
thought isn't the one that 
matter. 

745
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,320
It's the second thought and the 
one that we actually act on. 

746
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,600
That's the one that matters. 
So the one I act on is 

747
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,960
commenting, saying, Oh my gosh, 
I'm glad this is still working 

748
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239
for you. 
Yay :) XOXO gospel go. 

749
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,880
My is always been around ink 
swatches. 

750
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:31,120
It sounds very silly, but I feel
like part of the gatekeeping 

751
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,560
skill set of this. 
You mentioned you asked on your 

752
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,719
stories about this topic, and 
gatekeeping was one of those 

753
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,920
things that came up. 
And this is something that for 

754
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,000
me personally, it's one of those
where I don't know at what point

755
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,719
I no longer have to provide 
credit. 

756
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,280
So when I started doing ink 
swatches, I was just, you know, 

757
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,080
using a pen and kind of making a
circle on a page. 

758
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,080
And then there's someone else in
this community that does really 

759
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,280
cool ink swatches. 
And I always saw them. 

760
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,800
I was always blown away by it. 
And I was like, oh, wow. 

761
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,560
And then one time I just asked 
him, I said, how did you do 

762
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,080
this? 
And they were like, well, look 

763
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,920
at this video. 
And it was someone who was using

764
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,080
a plastic bag. 
They would put ink on a paper, 

765
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,400
put a plastic bag over top and 
move it around. 

766
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,280
And so I was doing that. 
And I was like, OK, then I 

767
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,760
started giving credit to it. 
And then I watched Julia's video

768
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,120
where she did all the different 
ways to make ink swatches. 

769
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,080
And she used the plastic spoon. 
And now that's the only way that

770
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,520
I make ink swatches. 
And so early on, I was like, 

771
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,040
making these ink swatches and I 
would tag her in every single 

772
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,240
video. 
And then I'm like, at this point

773
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,040
now, I don't mind doing it 
because I love her again. 

774
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,280
I feel like she deserves all the
credit in the world for her 

775
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,880
videos, right? 
But I'm just like, do I always 

776
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,440
have to tag her on this? 
Or is there like a time in which

777
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,160
it's just a technique that I 
learned from her that I'm just 

778
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,200
doing myself now? 
Not that I don't want to give 

779
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,840
her credit, make that very 
clear, but it's just, is it just

780
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,720
a part of what I'm doing now of 
how I do it. 

781
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,520
So I don't know. 
I feel like is that something 

782
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,160
you would ask somebody? 
I mean, it's a skill. 

783
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,040
I'm sure that even for her, 
she's not the first person to 

784
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,040
use a plastic spoon to do that. 
But yeah, I don't know. 

785
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,640
I don't know where I'm going 
with that one. 

786
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,520
But I guess my question is like 
is there a time limit on that or

787
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,880
just always give credit because 
you want to give credit where 

788
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,040
it's due? 
Yeah, it's it's a tricky 1 

789
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,480
because yeah, I think that there
is probably a sweet spot. 

790
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,080
I just don't know what it is. 
And it probably is different 

791
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,760
depending on like I'm going to 
say like the level of the idea 

792
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,000
or like the size of the idea 
almost. 

793
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,040
So a layout that I know that I 
use quite a lot on and off quite

794
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,440
a lot is the Productivity 
Tracker or I think it was called

795
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,000
the Productivity Level Board 
when it was originally shared by

796
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,240
the Boosted journal. 
I really loved what they did 

797
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,200
with it when they shared it. 
So I made a video about it, kind

798
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,600
of expanding on that, saying 
like, you know, this is the 

799
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,160
original, this is how I actually
use it, this is some kind of 

800
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,280
ideas for it and stuff. 
But now a lot of people give me 

801
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,280
credit for it because they saw 
it from me and I'm like, well, 

802
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,400
yes, I shared the idea to you, 
so it makes sense as to why you 

803
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,600
would give me credit. 
And you are technically using my

804
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,160
version of it, but that version 
was inspired by the Booster 

805
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,520
Journals original version. 
So it kind of gets to this 

806
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,080
little kind of like grey area of
like well, where are we actually

807
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,720
going to give credit? 
Are we going to give credit at 

808
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,000
the very initial idea? 
Because then I suppose 

809
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,520
everything should go back to the
person who, like, invented paper

810
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,800
or something like this is made 
possible because of that one guy

811
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,680
who mashed up a tree kind of a 
thing. 

812
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,560
So yeah, there there is 
definitely some kind of a time 

813
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,800
frame. 
I'm just not too sure what it 

814
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,960
is. 
So let's continue down this 

815
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,120
idea, because I know that a 
really big part of the community

816
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,160
competition part has to do with 
this recreation slash. 

817
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,360
I don't know. 
We'll be going to call it 

818
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,920
stealing. 
It has a lot of these different 

819
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,600
pieces where you're like, well, 
what's the difference between 

820
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,120
inspiration, recreation, and 
then outright stealing it? 

821
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Because I feel like that credit 
part is a part of it. 

822
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,120
But like we just talked about, 
how long do you give credit to 

823
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,760
something before it's just your 
own version of it? 

824
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,880
What are your thoughts on the 
idea of recreating spreads? 

825
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,600
Does it always have to be 
slightly tweaked or what would 

826
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,200
you consider it if someone 
literally is copying word for 

827
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,640
word? 
We've talked about this before 

828
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,320
where someone did that with a 
piece of your work. 

829
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,120
Like what is your general 
thought on that? 

830
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,840
I think that there's nothing 
technically wrong with a full 

831
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,200
blown recreation. 
Like I am not opposed to people 

832
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,880
taking my layout as they've seen
it in my journal and fully 

833
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,040
recreating it. 
If you want to write down my To 

834
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Do List for the day, go forth, I
don't think it'll be very 

835
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,200
helpful. 
For you. 

836
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,280
Can you just do those things for
me while you're at it? 

837
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,400
Yeah, I'm like, could you please
wash my windows? 

838
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,800
Oh my gosh. 
I'm like, I'm not getting up on 

839
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,640
a ladder. 
I don't like being more than 

840
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,680
like a foot off the ground at 
most. 

841
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,440
But I find that there is merit 
to recreation. 

842
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,920
Especially if, like, you know, 
you're practicing artistic 

843
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,360
skills or, you know, just 
getting a feel for whether a 

844
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,840
layout's actually going to work 
for you in the kind of like 

845
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,080
layout that you saw it in to 
start with. 

846
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,080
That makes sense as long as it's
something that you think is 

847
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,640
actually going to work for you. 
Like if you're recreating 

848
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,160
something just because like, oh,
that got 2000 likes. 

849
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,000
Maybe if I recreate it, I could 
get like a fraction of that as 

850
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,200
well like this. 
There doesn't seem to be a lot 

851
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,480
of point in that. 
I think that it's also a very 

852
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,760
biased mindset though, because 
I'm coming from a point of like 

853
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,000
my journal should be useful, my 
journal should not just be 

854
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,520
performative, and if you're 
recreating something just for 

855
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,960
the sake of getting likes, it 
does feel performative. 

856
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,200
If you're going to recreate 
something though, at least at 

857
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,520
the at the minimum, the very 
first instance you share it, it 

858
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,000
should have a credit back to the
person that you recreated it 

859
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,920
from. 
That's my personal take on that.

860
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,040
I feel like there might be a bit
of strategy. 

861
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,120
I mean, I go wild. 
We got to meet Amanda Rach Lee 

862
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,440
and I feel like a lot of her 
platform, especially with her 

863
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,200
videos and her monthly setups. 
She's sharing those not with the

864
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,920
expectation, but understanding 
that a lot of people do recreate

865
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,520
her things. 
But she is showing you exactly 

866
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,320
how it's done. 
So it's almost inviting a 

867
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,000
recreation to it. 
And I'm guessing that most of 

868
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,240
the time people will credit her 
on those things, but they may 

869
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,960
not always do that. 
So I think there's also maybe 

870
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,560
content that we may create that 
has the purpose of recreation 

871
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,400
versus if I'm doing something in
my journal that's very personal 

872
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,960
for me, but then I choose to 
share it. 

873
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,880
You know, I want to inspire 
other people. 

874
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,360
But sometimes it's like, well, 
if you can do exactly that and 

875
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,440
then not credit me because you 
saw it from me. 

876
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,400
There is like that line I feel 
like that we're on where it 

877
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,440
feels like someone is stealing 
something from you. 

878
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,120
They were inspired by you. 
But did it exactly as it was. 

879
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,320
I guess there's probably also 
certain levels of things. 

880
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,920
Take like the Eisenhower method,
for instance. 

881
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,240
Like someone uses the Eisenhower
method. 

882
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,560
Maybe they didn't know the name 
of it. 

883
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,680
They saw me created in my 
journal and I maybe mentioned 

884
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,360
it, but they're like, oh, I saw 
Mark do this about 

885
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,080
prioritization. 
But it's like the Eisenhower 

886
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,200
method. 
It's not Marx or Jess's 

887
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,040
creation. 
It's almost like at some point 

888
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,400
you don't have to give credit. 
I think it's also just to be 

889
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,160
able to name it like that's what
it's called. 

890
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,720
Therefore we use it. 
It just kind of moves into that 

891
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,160
spot sometimes, right? 
Feel like at what point is it 

892
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,440
your idea versus just someone 
else's idea? 

893
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,560
And does it really matter at the
end of the day? 

894
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,720
I think there's the biggest one 
that irks me and this is going 

895
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,520
to show Jesses like you know the
little the little scared Jess. 

896
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,040
The little bitchy scared Jess. 
The one that irks the ever 

897
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,400
loving crap out of me is the 
rolling weekly. 

898
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,680
I'm like, there's nothing 
rolling about it. 

899
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:14,280
It's just daily. 
I can't I I think it probably 

900
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,760
comes from a part of like I 
don't really understand. 

901
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,680
I I think like every time I try 
and do it more of a deep dive 

902
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,080
dive into it to really 
understand what this is about. 

903
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,680
I get to the same conclusion of 
like there's nothing rolling 

904
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,680
about this weekly. 
Like it's just tasks go from 

905
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,840
day-to-day. 
So I'm like it's like a rolling 

906
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,480
daily. 
Well, that it is a rolling 

907
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,280
weekly. 
Maybe I'm just like caught up on

908
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,320
the terminology or whatnot. 
It might be because I was just 

909
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,400
researching the Bullet Journal. 
Someone mentioned to me on a 

910
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,480
YouTube comment. 
Have you explored the Bullet 

911
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,800
Journal time ladder? 
I was like, I've never heard of 

912
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,320
the time Ladder before and I 
went and looked it up and I was 

913
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,800
like, it's the rolling weekly. 
It's the rolling daily it's, it 

914
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,400
looks almost exactly like that. 
But I've never heard the term 

915
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,160
time ladder before. 
But it's exactly what we always 

916
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,520
talk about. 
So it's it's like, well, OK, 

917
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,960
they're calling it the time 
ladder. 

918
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,480
It's a rolling weekly. 
Then who created it? 

919
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,440
Does it matter? 
Should we just say, hey, I saw 

920
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,800
this on the Bullet Journal 
website or I saw it from here 

921
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,480
and just sharing that or just 
creating yourself and be like 

922
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,360
this is called the time ladder. 
No one cares where I learned 

923
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,720
about it from. 
Maybe I can inspire you with it 

924
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,040
now, you know. 
I don't know. 

925
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,720
Because is the. 
Again, this shows obviously my 

926
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:22,520
ignorance towards it. 
The rolling weekly utilizes the 

927
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,240
Alistair method, yes. 
Yeah, exactly. 

928
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,440
So what I'm saying to you and so
is it the Alistair method, Is it

929
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,080
a time ladder? 
Is it a, you know, like wherever

930
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,560
it is, there's just a lot of 
different methods out there that

931
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,320
kind of done it. 
So I guess you have to go back 

932
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,640
and be like, okay. 
Well, I mean, this blog post 

933
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,080
that I had up because I've been 
reading about it this week was 

934
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040
posted in 2015 from 
bulletjournal.com. 

935
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,240
Where did they get it from? 
You know, like, I think on there

936
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,760
as they said that the timeline 
was inspired by Bill Westerman 

937
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,840
of The IY Fish. 
I have no idea who that is. 

938
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,240
Should I be crediting him for 
this or Bullet Journal? 

939
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,120
You know, I think that's where 
we get into the whole thing. 

940
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,400
So maybe we just collectively as
a community say this is where I 

941
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,840
learned about it from or a lot 
of cases. 

942
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,040
And I know we talked about this 
with people who find things on 

943
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,480
Pinterest and then share them. 
Maybe we just should do a little

944
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,240
bit more research to understand 
the basics of that before we go 

945
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,680
sharing information of that we 
don't know about. 

946
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,880
It I think this is a really good
topic to get into and we 

947
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,520
obviously have a lot of thoughts
on it. 

948
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,000
So I think that we're going to 
have to do like a full separate 

949
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,960
episode of just like, I don't 
know, recreation, inspiration 

950
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,800
and straight up theft in the 
Planet community, because I know

951
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,600
that you guys will also have a 
lot of thoughts on it. 

952
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,840
So stay tuned for an episode on 
that. 

953
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,480
Yeah, that has this whole other 
part. 

954
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,240
So let's go ahead and switch 
Gears of talking about moving 

955
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:40,360
from the competition into how do
we build a community around 

956
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,400
this? 
Because for myself personally in

957
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,480
my life right now, my bullet 
journal, social media maturity, 

958
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,040
I feel like the focus is on the 
community now, no longer 

959
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,160
necessarily competition. 
Again, I know who else is out 

960
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,520
there, who is my competition 
petition. 

961
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,640
Not in an unfriendly way. 
So, you know, how do I continue 

962
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,920
moving forward with this idea of
building our community instead 

963
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,400
of thinking about the 
negativity? 

964
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,360
And I'm going to turn this to 
you, Jess, because I feel like 

965
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,080
you have such an amazing 
community. 

966
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,280
Yeah, I think we both have great
communities and I think we have 

967
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,080
a lot of overlap in our 
community as well. 

968
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,160
Because like what we've got 
like, you know Planet Pals, the 

969
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,880
Planet Power Podcast and their 
community and we've got like 

970
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,880
Joshi curing community and we've
got the men who bullet. 

971
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,520
Now mark your pages community. 
I'm never going to be able to 

972
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,040
not say Men who bullet. 
It's such problem but sorry. 

973
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,200
Yeah I know right. 
Changing things up it's all 

974
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,040
good. 
I'll I'll get there eventually. 

975
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,120
But we obviously have a lot of 
overlap in our communities as 

976
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,320
well and we have a lot of 
overlap with other people who 

977
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,640
are in our niche. 
I mean like obviously cause 

978
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,040
often times if you're gonna 
follow one bullet general 

979
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,520
creator you're gonna follow a 
couple because they're all 

980
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,200
sharing great ideas. 
And I think that getting from 

981
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,520
that, kind of like everybody is 
a competitor to like everybody 

982
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,080
is a connection kind of mindset,
does take a lot of time. 

983
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,360
I'm certainly not to the the 
point where everybody has a 

984
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,120
connection. 
And I think that's probably a 

985
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,160
lot of my own kind of like 
scared Jess talking again, you 

986
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,840
know, feeling awkward, reaching 
out to people who maybe have a 

987
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,640
bigger following than me and all
of that. 

988
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,760
That's something I've carried 
the entire way through. 

989
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,200
Even if it's just kind of like 
starting off with the really 

990
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,640
kind of basics, you know, like 
commenting on other people's 

991
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,560
stuff, you know, giving credit 
where credit is due. 

992
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,920
Like we talked about, all of 
those are little opportunities, 

993
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,520
little moments where you can 
make a connection with somebody 

994
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,320
else and they they are small, 
but they're also the ones, one 

995
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,640
of the ones that are most 
valuable. 

996
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,080
You share a layout talking about
how you, like, struggle to 

997
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,960
complete your habits this month 
or something. 

998
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,600
So your habit tracker looks like
trash. 

999
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,360
Obviously, I died kind of a 
thing. 

1000
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,240
And it gives an opportunity for 
other people to comment saying 

1001
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,960
like, you know, I struggle with 
that as well. 

1002
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Like you find these 
commonalities with people and 

1003
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,680
sharing this stuff and then 
commenting on other people's 

1004
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,120
things, and that's really 
valuable. 

1005
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,760
They were only small, but they 
do add up over time. 

1006
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,560
Absolutely. 
And something else you can do 

1007
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,760
too. 
And I've actually done this a 

1008
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,920
lot more overtime. 
Let's take a look at this 

1009
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,960
podcast right now. 
Not again, I'll say competition 

1010
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,880
in a friendly way for us. 
Just another creator out there 

1011
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,880
though, and this wasn't a 
conniving way of doing this, but

1012
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,000
collaborating right is another 
really good way to build that 

1013
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,280
community. 
Now ours is much more than that 

1014
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,040
because we are planner of 
friends. 

1015
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,160
Before we were planner pals 
podcast, so like that already 

1016
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,760
existed there. 
So honestly, for me it was like 

1017
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,320
let's get Jessica. 
She's so awesome. 

1018
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,400
And it'd be great to have this 
similar but opposing thought to 

1019
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,840
kind of where we are on this. 
But same with content creation. 

1020
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,400
I love doing this, especially on
reels and stuff like that is 

1021
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,840
collaborating with other people 
on that same space. 

1022
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,400
Because again, if you're trying 
to grow, right, it's great to 

1023
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,640
have more of that out there. 
It's, you know, I have a lot of 

1024
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,920
smaller creators that will reach
out to me and be like, hey, do 

1025
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,520
you want to collab? 
I'm like, I love doing this 

1026
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,360
stuff. 
Sure, I know what they're trying

1027
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,840
to get out of it. 
I don't think it's always a 

1028
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,000
negative thing per SE, but it's 
also just like that might be 

1029
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,200
someone new that, but you know, 
I get exposed to their community

1030
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,400
and they're getting exposed to 
my community and I think it's 

1031
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,400
always done, hopefully, at least
the people that I'm 

1032
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,160
collaborating with in a very 
positive way, right. 

1033
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,640
I don't see it as, oh, I'm just 
trying to grow and I'm reaching 

1034
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,160
out to you. 
I think some of those times you 

1035
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,160
can see that I think we get the 
same messages sometimes with 

1036
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,120
people that are like, can I pay 
you for the post about my 

1037
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,480
content? 
You're like EW like no. 

1038
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,880
Like, well, they're not even 
going to pay you. 

1039
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,520
They're just like, hey, can I 
have a shout out? 

1040
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,640
Like with my 5 followers? 
And I'm like, I know you're 

1041
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,440
trying to build a thing, but I'm
like, let's maybe build up a bit

1042
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,560
of content before you before I'm
going to shout you out. 

1043
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:27,160
Oftentimes if I'm going to do a 
shout out, it's just because I 

1044
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,760
wanted to. 
It's not because somebody's 

1045
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,880
paying me. 
It's not because somebody's 

1046
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,080
asked me. 
It's because like, I came across

1047
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,000
your content. 
I loved what I saw and I was 

1048
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,600
like more people need to know, 
know about this. 

1049
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,200
So you know any kind of those 
shout outs on Instagram Stories 

1050
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,800
or in in a YouTube video or 
whatever else, That's usually 

1051
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,560
what it is. 
I love your point about 

1052
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,040
collaborating with others 
though, because hands down, my 

1053
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,040
favorite video from this year 
was the one where I got a bunch 

1054
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,680
of different Bullet Journal 
creators and we all collaborated

1055
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,360
to make a piece of content that 
was. 

1056
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,440
Awesome. 
It was a stand out and I I 

1057
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,320
remember going into it being 
like Oh my God like what if they

1058
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,360
think I'm skeevy? 
Like, what if they just, like, 

1059
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,360
don't want to work with me 
because they're just like, oh, 

1060
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,600
you're gross. 
Like, again, scared. 

1061
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,280
Yes. 
You know, speaking from this 

1062
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,800
place of fear, it's like, shut 
the heck up, right? 

1063
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,280
You're you're shutting yourself 
up from the opportunity to make 

1064
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,560
connections with others. 
Let's just put ourselves out 

1065
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,920
there and, you know, just just 
ask them, like, you know, do you

1066
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,720
want to? 
No expectations on that. 

1067
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,840
So it was really great that 
people wanted to get involved. 

1068
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,880
Also really does show that same 
type of like general maturity, 

1069
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,440
that mental maturity, like you 
said back in the day, it was, it

1070
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,880
was very much, oh, they're my 
competition. 

1071
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,360
I'm hate watching their content 
or I'm not watching their 

1072
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,280
content at all because it's what
it is. 

1073
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,120
I think that video is a really 
great example because a number 

1074
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:43,040
of those people in that video I 
see on YouTube all the time and 

1075
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,320
you're just. 
I do the same thing though. 

1076
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,560
I'm like watching this, like why
they have like 80,000 views on 

1077
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,760
this. 
I've done a similar thing and 

1078
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,520
it's just, you know, it's that 
constant battle in your brain 

1079
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,920
where you like somebody would 
say, I'm not going to reach out 

1080
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,240
to that person. 
Like they're my competitor. 

1081
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,440
Like I'm trying to beat them, 
Why would I do something with 

1082
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,520
them? 
But instead to turn that around 

1083
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,040
and say, hey, I'm reaching out 
to you. 

1084
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,320
First of all, maybe we've never 
interacted before, right? 

1085
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,680
You start to build that. 
I feel weird saying this, but I 

1086
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,720
guess, like, before I knew you, 
I knew you, right? 

1087
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,800
Like, I knew Joshy Kerr and not 
you Jess. 

1088
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,760
So one of those things where I 
was like, you know, her, she's 

1089
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,600
got all these followers and 
these amazing videos. 

1090
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,760
Like, I want kind of that thing.
But when you reach out to 

1091
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,400
someone and you get to know them
and you realize there's so much 

1092
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,080
more than just what you're 
seeing on video or on photos or 

1093
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,640
online, you have this 
opportunity for really cool 

1094
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,600
friendship. 
I think we'll use ourselves as 

1095
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,280
that example in this, right? 
Like, there's so much more that 

1096
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,080
can come out of that if you just
change your way of thinking. 

1097
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,360
Instead of it being like, I 
don't want to interact with them

1098
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,800
or see their stuff or whatever 
else, maybe there's an 

1099
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,640
opportunity to collaborate with 
them. 

1100
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,320
Or maybe there's just a general,
Hey, how you doing? 

1101
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,520
Like, I've talked with Matt as a
good example a few times, 

1102
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,440
nothing very deep or anything 
like that. 

1103
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,760
But early on, especially when I 
was growing and he gave me some 

1104
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,680
advice and I was very open to, 
you know, the things he was 

1105
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,640
sharing. 
What's to say that there's not 

1106
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,360
other things you have in common?
You know, like he's a dad as 

1107
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,600
well. 
So am I. 

1108
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,160
He has a whole entire, like dad 
forum now that he's building a 

1109
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,600
lot of content around too. 
And like, again, if I would have

1110
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
been like, oh, I'm not looking 
at it as his content because 

1111
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,320
he's my competition, I would 
never found out about these 

1112
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,160
other great communities that 
exist out there. 

1113
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,240
So I think for anyone that may 
be in that mindset, realize 

1114
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,480
there's a lot more opportunity 
if you look at it in a positive 

1115
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,880
light than if you look at it as 
a negative kind of fight versus 

1116
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,520
a love. 
And it's also just an 

1117
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,600
opportunity to kind of like, I'm
going to say like humanized 

1118
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,160
creators, which is a really, 
it's feels strange to say 

1119
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,240
because like obviously we're all
humans and we're making content 

1120
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:43,880
as people. 
Unless I know you're an AI robot

1121
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,680
listening to this, then like 
shout out to you. 

1122
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,480
But probably not. 
You know, it's just that 

1123
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,640
opportunity to say that there is
more to this creator, more to 

1124
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,680
this person than just what you 
see online. 

1125
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,080
You know, like we talked about 
before, that idea of, you know, 

1126
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,920
making connections, finding 
similar struggle points, similar

1127
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,800
experiences throughout whatever 
it is we're doing, the stuff 

1128
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,640
that we don't necessarily get to
see online. 

1129
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,960
And it's like if we're not going
to reach out and take the time 

1130
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,920
to kind of recognize that, like 
this is the potential for 

1131
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,200
someone I could make a 
connection with, then you're 

1132
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,560
going to miss out on the 
opportunity to really build up 

1133
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,520
that more in depth picture of 
them as a person. 

1134
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,720
If it would feel like a loss. 
You know, I I think about it in 

1135
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,800
terms of the creator friends 
that we have and it's like, what

1136
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,120
would life be like? 
Like if I hadn't opened myself 

1137
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,840
up to the possibility of like 
making a connection with them, 

1138
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,640
even if it's not like you're 
kind of going in with the 

1139
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,640
mindset of like you're going to 
be my bestie for life or 

1140
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,120
anything. 
It's like if I wasn't even open 

1141
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,440
to the the concept of like 
making you a connection rather 

1142
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,040
like and a competitor, like how 
would things be different kind 

1143
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,640
of a thing. 
I think that what would be 

1144
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,040
really good this week instead of
maybe going with a specific 

1145
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,840
question is just thinking about 
like, who in our community would

1146
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,160
you like a shout out? 
Like is there anybody in the 

1147
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,320
community who you think they're 
doing great work, they're not 

1148
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,640
getting, like the love and 
appreciation that you think that

1149
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,840
they deserve. 
It could be maybe your planet 

1150
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,480
bestie, just somebody that you 
really admire and look up to 

1151
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,560
anybody. 
Let us know either on the 

1152
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,920
comments if you're watching here
on YouTube or you can e-mail us 

1153
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,280
at plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com 
or hit us up on Instagram at 

1154
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,160
Planner Pals podcast. 
I think that someone I would 

1155
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,960
like to shout out would probably
be Valerie of Bright Violet 

1156
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,680
Arts. 
She does the most amazing stuff 

1157
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,400
with paint markers. 
Her work is always gorgeous. 

1158
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,160
Every single video is totally 
worth a watch, so make sure that

1159
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,520
you go and check her out. 
Mark, who would you shout out? 

1160
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,840
So the person I want to shout 
out is the person that I 

1161
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,960
mentioned before that had the 
amazing swatches that I was 

1162
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,400
doing and doing that, and that's
Lesko writes. 

1163
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,640
Just absolutely amazing fountain
pen content. 

1164
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,160
Like if you just appreciate the 
look of fountain pens, if you 

1165
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,320
appreciate the look of inks, 
that is the account that you 

1166
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,560
want. 
That's the person who turned me 

1167
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,560
on to the really cool ink 
swatches before I started using 

1168
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,680
the plastic spoon. 
I just it's art is what it is. 

1169
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,560
So big shout out to lexer writes
just because they're amazing and

1170
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,760
you should check out their stuff
because it's beautiful. 

1171
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,320
And both of those are LinkedIn, 
the description slash no show 

1172
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,080
notes. 
So do make sure to check them 

1173
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,920
out and let us know who you 
think is as a shout out. 

1174
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,480
In our next episode, we're going
to be chatting more about Go 

1175
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,240
Wild, doing a bit of a digest 
after the fact because we 

1176
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,520
certainly have thoughts. 
We're going to talk about the 

1177
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,840
highlights and things that were 
really exciting, the things that

1178
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,600
we were initially excited about 
and maybe weren't as exciting 

1179
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,360
when we actually got to 
experience them. 

1180
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,200
So I'm excited to get into that 
conversation with you, Mark. 

1181
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,400
Saying just I can't wait in 
again. 

1182
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,160
It was so awesome meeting face 
to face, and I hope you enjoyed 

1183
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,320
the little present that I got 
you that I said I was gonna get 

1184
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,960
you as well. 
So maybe we can talk about next 

1185
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,160
episode, especially around Go 
Wild 'cause I can't wait to hear

1186
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,600
all your wonderful thoughts 
about the cool thing I got you. 

1187
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,640
And for you planner pals, thank 
you for watching and we will see

1188
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,960
you in the next episode.