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Hey there, and welcome to the 
Planner Palace Podcast, a 

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podcast hosted by two true 
Planner Palace. 

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My name is Mark and I go by Mark
your pages. 

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I'm Jess or Jessica and I, like 
you, feel like I've forgotten 

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how to do this because it's been
such a while since we recorded 

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an episode. 
But Season 2 is here and I'm so 

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excited. 
It is really incredible to think

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that we've made it through an 
entire year consistently doing 

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good stuff. 
You and I had some fantastic 

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chats over the break. 
Not that was much of a break, 

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but a little bit of a break of 
things that we want to do this 

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year. 
And it's been so cool and I'm so

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excited to kick Offseason 2. 
So this is going to be 

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incredible because I don't know 
about you, Jess, but I've gotten

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a lot of DMS and messages and 
seeing some really cool and 

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exciting new accounts coming out
as they're getting started and 

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their planners and their bullet 
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And I'm really excited to see 
what some of these new crew are 

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doing this year. 
No, I would very much agree. 

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I love new planner season 
because I feel like everybody 

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comes out of the woodwork and is
sharing all of their new setups 

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and stuff. 
And it's very exciting to see 

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all of the ideas that other 
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And I'm so looking forward to 
seeing them grow across the 

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year, seeing what they have to 
offer and all of that, whether 

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it's like YouTube or Instagram 
or anything like that. 

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But what are we going to be 
chatting about today? 

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Well, it's a very good topic, I 
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starting in a new journal, if 
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even if you are an old school 
planner and journaler, you might

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be rethinking things a little 
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And one things we don't want to 
see this year and one things we 

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want to help you out with on 
today's podcast is talking about

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ways in which you can keep your 
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consistent throughout the years.
And Jess and I have some tips, 

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tricks, and ways that we've 
approached it over the past few 

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years. 
I know for myself, this will be 

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my 7th, I think, year of bullet 
journaling and keeping my bullet

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journal. 
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things that I've done throughout
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track, especially when I haven't
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So I'll be sharing some of 
those. 

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But just let's go ahead and 
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you and I have been planning for
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from bullet journaling 
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I think you've mentioned that 
you use like classic planners 

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and teacher planners and things 
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But why don't you go ahead with 
your first tip or trick for the 

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planner files? 
So one of my biggest tips, and 

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thus I'm going to start off with
that is that if there is one 

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part of your system that isn't 
working, that does not mean you 

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have to throw away the entire 
system. 

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I have very much previously had 
it where, you know, coming into 

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the new year, just getting kind 
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prospects of all of these new 
things that you can add into 

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your lineup, whether it be like 
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you're trying or just like some 
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tweaked or changed something 
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If it's not working out, that's 
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to get rid of everything. 
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like from a personal kind of 
experience was one year I did 

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try using a teacher planner. 
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having a very good separation of
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So I thought that by having a 
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pull everything teaching related
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into there and hopefully that 
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separation. 
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I like kept the teacher planner 
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work stuff was there, but it 
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how I was actually working on my
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I was still doing teaching 
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didn't have my planner there to 
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I also found that in pulling all
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bullet journal, it made me not 
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anymore because then the only 
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were chores. 
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very interesting. 
That's how I felt about pre made

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planners before dated, undated, 
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I think the ones that have like 
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on the page pages, including 
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like the check insurance, the 
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of those things, you feel kind 
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a knock on those type of 
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People who love them die for 
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But one thing, especially with a
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people have been doing it for a 
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getting like new sticker labels 
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seen recently where people are 
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that section of this planner. 
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either they've custom made a new
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planner creators make their own 
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ups, I'll call them, where 
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and essentially covering the 
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and making it something that 
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So to that point is very much 
just just because it comes 

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wrapped up in that pack and it 
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change it and use it for 
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Exactly, just because like 
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header or the pre printer 
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says it is XYZ of a thing does 
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that way at all. 
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know, a couple weeks into a 
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especially if it's an annual 
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weeks in, yeah, this isn't 
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How could we tweak it? 
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How could we adjust the way we 
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gets use? 
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decide, you know what, it wasn't
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leave it there and not touch it.
That's also a way forward. 

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Yeah, something that has been 
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very difficult for me to do. 
I have a lot of planners, dated 

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planners that I hadn't used all 
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felt like they were going to be 
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But let me tell you, this 
fountain pen ink community, they

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know how to reuse things. 
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are using whether it's like 
their Hobonichi's or other dated

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planners and things that they 
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There's a days of the week and 
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This has nothing to do with what
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And recently I've been doing 
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fun, kind of freeing moment 
where just like I don't care 

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what's on this page, I'm using 
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kind of making it your own. 
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works. 
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here though, just accepting the 
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It's OK if it's not being used 
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I do like something about this, 
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So I'm just gonna have fun with 
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take your future log and if 
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like, I'm not using a future 
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I've got an Outlook calendar or 
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function already. 
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You could have it as a birthdays
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It could become a memory keeper.
It could be like a no, a little 

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monthly reflection space or 
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Especially if you haven't put 
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There are a lot of things you 
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something over it. 
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Absolutely, 100%. 
What would be your tip for the 

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Planner Pals in terms of 
consistency in your journals 

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this year? 
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So I just did the math on my 
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for a second. 
I've been journaling for eight 

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years, this year in 2025, just 
to be very clear, just to be 

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very clear on that, because the 
tip and the thing I'm going to 

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talk about here is what's 
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this for as long as I have is 
just making it a part of your 

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day at some point. 
So for myself, I use my bullet 

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journal for work. 
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that I started bullet journaling
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together, task emails, notes, 
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things. 
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because it's literally how I get
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But early on while I did this, I
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things, too many of the things, 
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think about opening up your 
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day to look in it, to work out 
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It's not familiar. 
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sit down. 
I honestly don't travel around 

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my house often without my bullet
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something down or do something, 
but it's just a part of my day. 

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I open it up, I take a look at 
what I've done previously, what 

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happened yesterday, what did I 
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What do I need to write down 
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myself. 
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day. 
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task and notes, but also I kind 
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an afternoon review, like after 
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do, like eat food and then come 
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Just refresh on where I am, what
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just as a way for me to kind of 
close anything out that I have 

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done that didn't mark done. 
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for tomorrow and usually take a 
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else is going on. 
I do a similar thing with my 

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Outlook e-mail box as well. 
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to that too. 
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is important to do for yourself.
Now if you don't use your bullet

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journal for work, that's 
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You can do a handful of things 
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that day-to-day touch, which is 
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One of those things is just 
opening up your notebook, like I

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said, in the morning, and taking
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Whether you keep your tasks or 
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think it's really good to do. 
A lot of people also actually 

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journal inside of their 
journals, especially if you're 

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Taking the time, picking a time 
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kind of write things out, 
whether it's intentions or 

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reflections or whatever it is 
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It's just really important for 
yourself just to make sure you 

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make it part of your habit. 
Yeah, I think that this idea of 

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routinizing your use of your 
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And when you're just starting 
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So I like your point about 
having those kind of set check 

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in points for yourself. 
You kind of build that into your

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daily routine or like 
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That can be quite helpful. 
So it's like if there's a 

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certain thing that you do at the
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like tack on your journal use to
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Like you know, when I sit down 
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computer or whatnot while it's 
loading up, I will check in with

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my journal or something like 
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I do try and make sure I check 
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in the evening. 
But as another thing, I keep my 

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journal where I do the primary 
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is always there. 
I also find that if I keep it 

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open whenever possible, I'm much
more likely to touch in with it 

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every single day. 
If I keep it closed, then it's 

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like, oh God, barrier to entry, 
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What a struggle. 
But seriously, like that will 

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limit me using it. 
It is. 

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I was going to say as an add on 
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the place where you're working. 
Like you just said, have it 

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open. 
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it. 
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the day, I open up my notebook, 
I put it right in front of my 

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keyboard before I get up from my
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And now again, I work remote. 
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this is work. 
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that goes into an office, again,
maybe that's just part of your 

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daily ritual where you take out 
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you take out your journal, you 
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running utensil, you know, 
whatever. 

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You're kind of getting yourself 
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down with it and just saying, 
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1st and just having it there 
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all, all day, every day, 
whatever that might look like 

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for you, it's going to be 
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I'd also don't want to scare 
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That is like, wait a second, I 
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on my notebook all day long. 
How would I get anything done? 

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No, that's not reality. 
No one's necessarily doing that.

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you're using it, finding a good 
flow is important. 

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The most important thing, like I
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one touch point a day if you 
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your daily flow. 
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And I think that, you know, 
obviously we also have other 

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kind of like larger timescale 
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know, the weekly setup and the 
monthly setup and stuff like 

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that. 
But if those are the only times 

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you're checking in with your 
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you've kind of organized the 
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taking account of that. 
Like if you want to keep your 

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journals and planners as things 
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your daily life, then having 
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really important. 
If it's not so much for that 

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purpose, then maybe daily isn't 
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of structuring around the way 
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how you're going to be getting 
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That kind of makes sense. 
It's extremely a very good tip 

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you got there, Jess. 
All right, what's next for you? 

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What's the next idea on keeping 
consistency inside your planners

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and journals? 
This is one that I have fallen 

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victim to so many times and I 
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notice it, it's like, oh, This 
is why everything's so hard to 

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keep up with. 
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information or having the same 
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places, usually in different 
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So for instance, if we take the 
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kind of like a year long 
calendar or whatever, I have an 

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Outlook calendar. 
I can rely on my Outlook 

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calendar being up to date 
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me, I make plans with people. 
I put it straight on in there. 

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I don't necessarily need to then
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my journals because that's not 
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think to check for that 
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But then I'm adding to this like
time taken in terms of doing my 

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journaling practice by making 
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Is that kind of make sense? 
You know, despite saying this, I

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still keep a future log. 
It's just that I have stripped 

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it well, a well away back like 
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of like spread of different 
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months and having, you know, 
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for those. 
If this is your structure, I'm 

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not calling you out. 
Your journal is yours, not mine.

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But it doesn't work for me. 
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because I know my journal is 
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months, it's literally a page 
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for quarter 11, for quarter two,
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3 and 4. 
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structure, didn't take me a long
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And thus I don't feel as much 
pressure to use it or to put 

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information in there. 
Which means that I'm kind of 

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like limiting my, I'm not going 
to say ability to duplicate 

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information because I can 
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felt so inclined. 
But I'm not inclined to do it 

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because I feel like I didn't 
like waste to the page if it 

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doesn't get used, if that kind 
of makes sense. 

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It does. 
I have plenty of pages that I go

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through week by week, especially
as I was just doing a flip 

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through video kind of on the end
of 2020 four. 

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And there are a few pages in 
there that were not very well 

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used. 
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thought to myself at first like,
did I not do this the right way?

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And then I just kind of realized
like that's just how some weeks 

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are. 
And you make a really good point

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about how you're keeping things 
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Now, you talked about not 
duplicating. 

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And for me personally, I find 
that duplication to be helpful 

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in a way. 
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when I set up my weekly, I put a
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well, my digital calendar. 
Because for me, I kind of work a

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little bit backwards where if 
someone tells me something, if I

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don't put it in there right 
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And if I write it down inside of
my journal, there might be a 

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good chance that I don't 
remember to put it in there too,

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even though I am looking at it 
and reviewing through it. 

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It's just one of those things 
where in my mind for me to truly

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know where it is, it has to be 
in a digital format. 

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Because I'm not always with my 
bullet journal as I'm out and 

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about, even here at home. 
If I keep it down here and I'm 

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not taking it upstairs to do 
something inside of it. 

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And someone asked me a question 
about a date, I, I cannot 

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remember like I know that I can.
It's not a strength of mine. 

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So writing it in there is is not
it for me. 

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But I do that though, because 
when I am working and in a flow 

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state, I will refer to that. 
My future log looks different 

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than it has historically. 
Last year it looks similar and 

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I've refined it this year, but 
this year I have kind of a 

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calendar future log because for 
my work, I need to have that. 

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I found I really like that 
calendar view of it, but a lot 

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of the times I'm am duplicating.
But for me, it's because it 

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really helps solidify it a 
little bit. 

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Remember, Mark, this is when 
you're going into the office. 

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I have it on my work calendar. 
I have it in my bullet journal. 

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I know that I have it 
highlighted. 

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I've done all the good things 
that I'm supposed to do, but 

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digitally for me is definitely a
really good way. 

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So, but I think it is important 
though on your point though, 

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about this duplication part and 
making sure that you're not 

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duplicating is just make sure 
that if you are rewriting it, 

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that you're just kind of 
rewriting what's important and 

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not like all of the details and 
it's unnecessary. 

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Like use it almost as like a 
reminder, not the hard facts. 

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Golden source if that makes 
sense. 

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Yeah, I get you. 
I think that's a good point. 

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Also, like duplication with 
purpose, like you said, that is 

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part of your process for being 
able to remember things, being 

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able to get things done, all of 
that kind of stuff. 

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If you're finding that the 
duplication is kind of like 

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integral to you using your 
journals and planners in a way 

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that you want to go forth 100%, 
you know, all of these ideas are

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just ideas. 
I just find that from my system 

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when I duplicate, usually it is 
done without that kind of 

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intentionality, without that 
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It's a, oh, I need to fill in 
this layout kind of a thing. 

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And then depending on how many 
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then have to remember to go and 
update all of those places. 

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So I was like, OK, well, I've 
checked this off my task list on

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the weekly and on the daily and 
on the monthly or I should also 

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go check in my future log and I 
should probably also go and 

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check in with my like future me 
problems because it's probably 

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there. 
So, you know, if you're finding 

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it to be a burdensome thing, if 
you're finding it to make like 

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your journaling practice not 
enjoyable, then maybe 

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duplication is an issue. 
But if it's part of the like 

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integral way that you are 
getting things done, keep going.

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Duplicate all the information. 
Go forth and do it. 

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All righty Mark, what would be 
your second tip for people or 

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probably up to like the 16th tip
now, little tip sprinkled in, 

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but next major tip. 
Hey, the planter pals love it 

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when they do this. 
So for me, it is definitely 

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using things that I enjoy inside
of my journal. 

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There's a lot of different 
brands out there, especially 

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around pens and fountain pens 
and inks that talk about loving 

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your writing and then therefore 
loving to use a journal and do 

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that. 
So for me, I would say probably 

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over what the past two years or 
so, fountain pens have become a 

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really integral part to who I am
as a person. 

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I, I believe fountain pens ink 
now, but the, my favorite part 

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about this is like finding pens 
that are really cool. 

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So like, you know, I have this 
pen of the week for this week 

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here. 
This is called Big Sur. 

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It's beautiful. 
It's amazing. 

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Yeah. 
Everything about it using this 

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pen brings me a lot of happiness
and joy. 

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And therefore I enjoy writing 
with it. 

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I have a really cool ink color 
in here. 

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It has a lot of shading. 
So as I'm writing with it, the 

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the colors look really cool on 
the page. 

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And when I'm done and I step 
back and I look at it like I'm 

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really proud of the way it 
looks. 

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All I'm doing is writing. 
Normally I'm not doing anything 

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fancy, but I've really enjoyed 
that. 

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But I've always found regardless
if that's a fountain pen, I also

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have like the Uniball Signo DX, 
which is like my favorite gel 

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pen. 
Also the mark on pens from 

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Serasa. 
Like these two make me happy 

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too, but for very different 
reasons. 

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I just know that I can trust 
them. 

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They're always consistent. 
I like the way they look on the 

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page. 
I like the way my handwriting 

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looks when I use them. 
And that really makes me happy 

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to write inside of my journal. 
I'll also so say other types of 

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stationary can do that for you 
as well. 

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Stamps are definitely a big one 
for me. 

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I love like when I create a page
and I'm using the stamps and 

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everything looks so nice and 
clean and it just, it looks 

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almost like it's printed. 
You know, sometimes I, I feel 

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really good about myself and I 
do that. 

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I'm like, yeah, you're getting 
good at this part, but it just 

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makes me feel good and it makes 
me want to use the journal 

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versus if you have a pen that 
you don't like or even Speaking 

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of journals and, and paper is a 
big part of that too. 

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Like if you don't like the paper
that's in your journal, it makes

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you mad all the time. 
We've talked about like the 

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ghosting and stuff like that 
that has happened. 

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It doesn't make me want to use 
it any more than I have to 

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because it just makes me angry. 
So finding things that you 

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really love to use inside of 
your planners and your journals,

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I think just UPS the ante for 
you. 

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That makes you want to write, 
makes you want to work inside of

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your journal and therefore use 
it consistently. 

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Do you have any pens or anything
like that? 

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Just that you like love, love. 
Oh I love, I love this question 

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because I've actually been 
thinking about it recently 

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because for the longest time my 
favorite pen, my pride and joy 

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was the Papermate Inkjoy pen. 
And I think it's been dethroned 

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now. 
And my actual new favorite pen 

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is the Zebra Sarasa Mark on. 
It's so good, isn't it? 

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It's very good, but especially 
because I swear, I swear that 

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after and all this gaslighting 
me and I will, I will die on 

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this hill, but I swear that 
their new paper is coated just a

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little bit, just a little bit 
because things are taking way 

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longer to dry. 
And this pen has saved me as 

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opposed to my, my baby, my inky 
boy. 

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But he's a little bit too inky 
now. 

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So the paper joy is is being 
reserved for other types of 

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paper, not my journal. 
So, conspiracy theory, we think 

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that our channel of paper is 
coated now. 

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Yeah, that's it, I think. 
Not a lot, not a lot, just a 

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little. 
Long enough to make my Micron 

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smudgy and me have to change my 
favorite pen. 

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00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,000
So I don't know. 
They keep telling me it's not, 

447
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,360
but I don't believe. 
Yeah, it's like full blown 

448
00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:10,040
conspiracy mode over here. 
I'm like they they tell me that 

449
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,400
it's not, but I just, I can't. 
But the facts don't match up. 

450
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,400
The math ain't mathen. 
Maybe that's what they did. 

451
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,160
They changed it before they 
started putting out more 

452
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,680
fountain pen ink and pens 
because they're like, look, if 

453
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,840
our other paper ain't gonna hold
up, we got to do something with 

454
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,200
it. 
Yeah, possibly. 

455
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,040
Yeah. 
With the move to more inks and 

456
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,880
fountain pens, maybe that was 
one of the process kind of faces

457
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,160
on that. 
But I've found that within newer

458
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,920
journals in particular, things 
do get a bit more smudgy, which 

459
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,720
is unfortunate because, you 
know, you, you get into your 

460
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,120
patterns with the things you 
like to use and stuff, and then 

461
00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,520
people go changing things and 
then you have to change your 

462
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:43,840
preferences. 
I hate that. 

463
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,240
Like this lady on her porch just
being like, get off my lawn. 

464
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,320
Everything's changing. 
You whip the snappers with your 

465
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,960
MP threes and your top ticks. 
It's funny that you said I was 

466
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,880
doing something the other day 
and something smeared a little 

467
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,640
bit and I was almost like, oh, 
sorry, I'm sorry. 

468
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,520
I apologize to my journal. 
I was like, oh, I'm sorry. 

469
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,560
Like I didn't mean to work that 
fast. 

470
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,400
And it was something that I've 
used before. 

471
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,680
So now you got me thinking like 
maybe it wasn't a me problem. 

472
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,560
Maybe it maybe something did 
happen. 

473
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,520
Interesting. 
Yeah, it's not us. 

474
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,320
It's it's it's then then the 
journals. 

475
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,760
Them, the journals. 
Oh my gosh, this is going to 

476
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,080
start a big kerfuffle. 
We'll never be invited back, 

477
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,560
Jess. 
Yeah, they're really sorry. 

478
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,800
You can't be part of the team. 
You can't sit with us anymore. 

479
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,040
But no, I, I do think that what 
you're saying about, you know, 

480
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,920
making your journaling a more 
enjoyable experience is going to

481
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,440
make you more likely to stick 
with it. 

482
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,920
I remember getting my first, and
I know this is going to sound 

483
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,920
silly now because we've talked 
about it previously that this 

484
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,360
journal is no longer for us. 
Getting my first Lt. 1917 was 

485
00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:50,440
like open the box, like the 
lights coming out, like, Oh my 

486
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,840
gosh, this is the most beautiful
thing I've ever seen. 

487
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,880
And I'm going to put so many 
great plans in here. 

488
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,560
And I look back on that journal,
I'm like, oh girl, you think 

489
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,400
that your handwriting was great,
but no. 

490
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,360
But still, it was such an 
exciting moment because it felt 

491
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,360
so special. 
And it was nice to go in and be 

492
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:09,240
creative and put my plans in 
there. 

493
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,000
And I'm so glad that I started 
it, but I'm also so glad that I 

494
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,760
stopped using their notebooks. 
We've talked about it so much, 

495
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,960
and if people are just finding 
the podcast now just to fill you

496
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,560
in Loystrom notebooks, they 
ghost. 

497
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,080
And then if you're not a fan of 
ghosting, and what we mean by 

498
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,000
that is seeing you're writing on
the other side of the page, then

499
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,520
they're not for you. 
It's not the business. 

500
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,160
I mean, like in certain 
instances, you know, if it's 

501
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,840
just black pen on paper, sure. 
But that's not how I do my 

502
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,200
journaling primarily. 
So it's not really for me. 

503
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,320
But by using those supplies, 
that felt a little bit more 

504
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,400
elevated. 
It felt like, oh, I'm an adult 

505
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,280
now. 
I have an adult note book kind 

506
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,120
of a thing. 
And nowadays I've got like, you 

507
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,040
know, my kind of composition 
printed. 

508
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,560
I'm like, oh, I'm a middle 
grader. 

509
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,440
I'm a middle school student now.
But it's still it's nice to use 

510
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,440
and it makes the process more 
enjoyable, so I'm more likely to

511
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:01,920
stick with it. 
You know what, you make a good 

512
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,920
point there. 
I talked about pens and things 

513
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,080
inside of it, but actually the 
outside of the notebook too is 

514
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,720
just as enjoyable of a situation
to like really want to sit down 

515
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,320
and use it too. 
If it's something that you don't

516
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,400
absolutely love or even want to 
look at, that's a problem within

517
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,600
its own self. 
Yeah, there are definitely some 

518
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,320
journals that I have in my stash
that are 100% designated to just

519
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,360
be R&D journals because the 
color is like black. 

520
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,800
Like, yeah, I'm not gonna be 
putting my official daily plans 

521
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,320
in there. 
They deserve better than that 

522
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,320
color. 
It's so funny how I'm the same 

523
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,800
exact way with mine, just having
the collection that I have that 

524
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,520
we have. 
It's not a Co owned one, but we 

525
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,360
have our own lofty collection. 
So I know exactly what you mean.

526
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:42,160
When you're just like going 
through and you're looking 

527
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,840
through and you're just like, 
this is it. 

528
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,840
When I did the video with my 
brother that I posted right 

529
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,680
before the new year, I was going
through all the different 

530
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,280
notebooks that I had to find the
one that I felt OK with giving 

531
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,680
to him. 
And on the back of that box, it 

532
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,840
actually said like next bullet 
journal or new bullet journal in

533
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,080
the back. 
And it was the old like blue 

534
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,760
linen one with the falling star.
Because it's funny at that 

535
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,240
moment, that was like the 
coolest notebook that I had, 

536
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,880
right? 
It was just like, this is it? 

537
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,640
You're going to always have the 
coolest notebook. 

538
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,960
And then it's just funny that by
the time I got to even 

539
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,880
potentially even think about 
using that, I obviously had 

540
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,800
something else that I liked a 
lot more. 

541
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,840
So it's always just funny to all
that is. 

542
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,520
But it is every time I buy a new
notebook, I'm like, this is the 

543
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:25,840
next one. 
This is what's up. 

544
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,160
Like, this is gonna be it. 
And then, you know, you wait six

545
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,200
months or depending how long 
it's been between when you start

546
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,120
a menu and your journal, there's
probably somebody new in your 

547
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,600
life that you're just like, and 
you are next. 

548
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,160
This is literally what happens 
anytime after an olive does feel

549
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,440
like first release of the year. 
I'm like, oh gorgeous. 

550
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,520
Like I know we just started in 
our new notebooks that like this

551
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,320
is the one, this is is going to 
be it. 

552
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,840
I get to the end of the year and
I'm just like, Nah, do something

553
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,400
else instead. 
I'm telling you this next year, 

554
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,520
I mean, I'm using my marked one 
because I felt like I had to use

555
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,680
it since I, you know, made it 
this past year. 

556
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,840
I'm going to chip into the 
Halloween collection, I think, 

557
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,080
as my next one. 
I've been holding on to those 

558
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,720
for so long. 
It might even be the old classic

559
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,520
ones. 
I don't know. 

560
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,480
It might be the Blood Moon one 
we just got. 

561
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,720
I just know that my next one, I 
have to use it because every 

562
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,480
single year for the past few 
years, I'm always buying out the

563
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,680
collections for Halloween with 
the full intention of using one 

564
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,880
of those notebooks. 
They all look so cool. 

565
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,040
And then it's just like 
something else happens where I'm

566
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,560
like, no, or it's not special 
enough yet or I, I don't quite 

567
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,480
know. 
But I think it just goes to show

568
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,040
you that you know the outside of
your notebook, what it is is 

569
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,880
just as important as what you're
putting inside sometimes. 

570
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000
I love your point about like, 
carefully selecting the one that

571
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,240
Joey could use, because I was 
just like, yeah, I did exactly 

572
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,400
the same thing for Vogel. 
Like, Oh no, he can't use the 

573
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,240
dragon. 
He can't use the bats. 

574
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Well, maybe the wand. 
OK, one of the potions kind of a

575
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,440
thing. 
And he comes and he's like, can 

576
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,120
I use the dragon? 
I'm like, get your grubby mitts 

577
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,440
off of my dragon. 
You're not having it. 

578
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,400
So funny, those are the exact 
same ones, yes, that I was 

579
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,600
thinking about using. 
I think I'm using the wand one. 

580
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,600
I am doing the same things. 
My wife's cousins, I saw them 

581
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,400
over at Thanksgiving and you 
know, they're think it's very 

582
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,200
cool like that. 
I have all this collection stuff

583
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,520
and everything else and I was 
like, I've got a bunch of stuff 

584
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,360
that I'm just never going to use
if you want it. 

585
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:16,760
They were like what? 
And so I've been going, going 

586
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,880
through my catalog and I'm 
trying to pick and choose like 

587
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,280
which ones I think are right. 
And I'm even being selective for

588
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,080
them. 
I was like, no, like, I don't 

589
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,280
think you're really going to 
like this one. 

590
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,160
I've got better ones than that 
for you. 

591
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,240
And just being like, but it's 
fun to do though, to like go 

592
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,320
through that and pick and choose
and revisit the collection every

593
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,360
now and again because you know, 
you find some things. 

594
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,120
And it's also, it's nice to let 
the journals live out their 

595
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:41,520
destiny because I know that 
there are some journals in my 

596
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,320
collection that if they're not 
going to be R&D journals, then 

597
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,960
they're probably not going to be
ones I use. 

598
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,240
But when I have a friend come 
over and go, oh, I was thinking 

599
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,040
about starting a journal for 
XYZ, I'm like, Oh well, let me 

600
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,520
show you a notebook that I've 
got that has your name on it 

601
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,920
kind of a thing. 
But it is nice to be able to 

602
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,800
share the joy. 
It is. 

603
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,000
It's a special thing. 
It's like people that are really

604
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,880
good at gift giving, like we're 
really good at notebook giving. 

605
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,880
We're like, here's a notebook 
that we think that represents 

606
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,040
you best. 
This is my gift to you. 

607
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,360
I love the idea. 
Like this is the one that 

608
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,000
represents you best. 
It's like if I kind of think 

609
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,040
about the journals in my 
collection now, I kind of want 

610
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,280
to go through and be like, OK, 
who do you you remind me of? 

611
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,920
Who do you remind me of? 
Not that I'm going to give them 

612
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,120
all away because still gotta 
have my notebook rainbow, but 

613
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,160
still. 
Who was the person back in the 

614
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,040
day on YouTube she used to name 
her bullet journals? 

615
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,480
We had a few Caitlin, Caitlin, 
Marie de Silva did, and then a 

616
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,400
couple other people started to 
because I think Elizabeth Hunt 

617
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,800
Lace bride had a little bit that
she was doing naming as well, 

618
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480
but Caitlin used to name all of 
her starting with H. 

619
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,560
Oh, is that? 
I said I never realized that 

620
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,600
common thread. 
I just remember her naming them 

621
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,840
and I thought that it was so, so
funny and like, very cool. 

622
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,080
But that's what it reminded me 
of. 

623
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,360
Like when you're like, this 
reminds me of this person. 

624
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,920
I'm calling this one the 
Elizabeth or, you know, 

625
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,880
something stupid like that. 
Well, Speaking of gifting, Jess,

626
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,080
can you gift our planner pals 
who are either just getting 

627
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,160
started with their bullet 
journals or planners the next 

628
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,320
little tidbit of information 
that's going to help them stay 

629
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,200
consistent? 
Yeah, you laughed through that 

630
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,800
because you knew how cheesy. 
That was so good. 

631
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,280
So I would say that my next tip 
would have to be that it's just 

632
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,920
OK to make changes as you go. 
Like we kind of touched on with 

633
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,960
the first point, you know, if 
you're finding that there's a 

634
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,960
layout that you're using that 
rather isn't getting used at 

635
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,400
all, you can just tweak it. 
You can change it to be 

636
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,480
something else. 
You could cover it over with a 

637
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,560
full page sticker and ignore it 
completely. 

638
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,880
That is also a change that is 
viable. 

639
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,480
There are parts of my system, 
for instance, this year that I 

640
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,840
have already had to change on 
the what, 9th of January as 

641
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,920
we're sitting here recording 
this at least ninth for me. 

642
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,000
But one of the things I was 
trying this year, or I'm still 

643
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,160
trying, hopefully by the time 
you see this, is that I'm doing 

644
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,960
a life admin gamification system
where effectively I'm taking all

645
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,880
the areas of my life that aren't
my work and I'm assigning all of

646
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,680
the tasks that I want to do more
of or do repeatedly a point 

647
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,160
value. 
So by doing these things by, you

648
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,440
know, completing these things 
successfully, I earn points for 

649
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,320
myself. 
As I get points, I level up. 

650
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,800
As I level up, I get rewards. 
That's the general gist of it. 

651
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,400
But I knew going in that I was, 
one, not going to have a 

652
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,320
complete task list. 
There were going to be things 

653
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,800
that I forgot. 
And two, I was not going to have

654
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,600
assigned points as accurately as
I probably should have. 

655
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,400
Because there are some things 
that I have oddly previously 

656
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,520
found quite difficult to get 
myself to do. 

657
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,920
But now, as I'm gamifying my 
life, they're actually happening

658
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,520
on a much more regular basis, 
which is quite exciting. 

659
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Hopefully I maintain that not on
wood, fingers crossed, but 

660
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,680
because these aren't necessarily
things that I could predict in 

661
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,480
advance that we're going to be 
needed or things that I kind of,

662
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,200
you know, I thought were going 
to be one way and turned out to 

663
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,600
be another way. 
I've just been making changes as

664
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,960
I go now. 
Notably, the tracking of this 

665
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,160
system is on Excel, so it's a 
little bit easier to make 

666
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,880
updates and not be like I have 
to completely start a new plan 

667
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,480
or anything like that. 
But there are some things that 

668
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,000
I've written down in my journal 
already that are related to that

669
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,120
system that do need changing. 
So for some of them, I just kind

670
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,680
of held off on filling them in 
until I found my feet with them.

671
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,800
For other ones, I'm going to be 
getting out my white sticker 

672
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,680
labels and sticking up all over 
them to kind of like fix 

673
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,520
mistakes, Quote, quote, they're 
not mistakes. 

674
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,560
I thought they were the right 
thing. 

675
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,880
They're just not the right thing
anymore. 

676
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,320
I think it's a very cool 
concept. 

677
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,640
I've watched two of your videos 
where you've talked about it, 

678
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400
one with creating it, and you 
did another follow up in 

679
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,840
December that talked a little 
bit more in depth in detail. 

680
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,880
I think it's so cool. 
It reminds me a bit of like 

681
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,200
Dungeons and Dragons kind of ask
when you're like building the 

682
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,160
story around yourself and doing 
that. 

683
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,080
I personally will not be 
gamifying my life in that way, 

684
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,360
but I actually really enjoy 
watching you do it because for 

685
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,000
me, I would want someone else to
kind of do it to give me a 

686
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,520
surprise or, or a prize or a 
something. 

687
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,200
And I'm just not going to pick 
that. 

688
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Well for myself, I know. 
But I'd be like, I want someone 

689
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,880
else to give me a reward if I do
this all the way. 

690
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Always get a lot more like 
validation out of that if 

691
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480
someone else is doing it for me 
versus be doing it. 

692
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,680
But you make some really good 
points in there. 

693
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,200
And that's a really good 
example. 

694
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,280
I think that if you are not 
gamifying your life and just 

695
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,160
using a regular planet or 
journal to this point though, 

696
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,520
just know that it is absolutely 
OK to change it. 

697
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,960
Because it's kind of what we 
talked about in the very 

698
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,240
beginning is that if you're not 
enjoying using it, there's 

699
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,000
something that's just kind of 
stopping you all the time that 

700
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,760
eventually will just pick and 
pick and pick and pick at you 

701
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,920
until one day you just like 
throw it across the room or 

702
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,360
throw it in the trash. 
And you're just like, no more of

703
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,200
this. 
I want no more. 

704
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,880
And you never open it up again 
or use it. 

705
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,520
It just, you have to be able to 
be flexible with yourself, not 

706
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,880
just the journal, but flexible 
with yourself enough to know 

707
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,920
and, and really think about it 
too. 

708
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,640
It's actually a good point that 
we've talked about I think 

709
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,440
previously. 
I know I've talked about it in 

710
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,440
these videos about doing these 
like monthly or quarterly recaps

711
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,160
and revising and rereading your 
journal to find out what's 

712
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,040
working, what's not, and like 
what needs to change. 

713
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,400
Essentially a bullet general 
retro for a lack of better term.

714
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,600
That is really important. 
Just a part of that mindfulness,

715
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,800
not just jotting down your 
feelings and your thoughts and 

716
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,600
whatever else, but really making
sure this is actually working 

717
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,280
for you and having enough 
commitment and passion and 

718
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,760
permission, I think from 
yourself more than anything to 

719
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,320
make that change, to make it 
work. 

720
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,800
It doesn't happen often. 
We don't see it happen very 

721
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,680
often where people like set up 
their full journal or like the 

722
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,600
start of journal stuff and they 
go, you know what, I hate it. 

723
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,000
I don't want it, I don't want to
use it. 

724
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,720
I think we don't hear about it 
because people almost feel like 

725
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,960
maybe like a sense of shame, 
like oh gosh, I'm lying. 

726
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,800
Waste this notebook or whatever.
And I'm like, yeah, but like, 

727
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,440
stuff it, waste the notebook. 
Don't waste your year. 

728
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,000
If you're not going to get the 
things done that you wanted to 

729
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,360
do with this notebook because 
you don't like the way you set 

730
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,800
it up, then you have my 
permission and hopefully your 

731
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,920
own person's permission to just 
just start again, just make a 

732
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,880
new one. 
It's fine. 

733
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,320
Like it's paper. 
Yes, they are not necessarily 

734
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,560
cheap and there is some kind of 
like financial aspect of that, 

735
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,320
but you can also do things in 
the same notebook. 

736
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,280
You just section off that part 
and go like haha, trial run, 

737
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880
take two, let's go again. 
There are still ways that we can

738
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,960
still make that journal used, 
even if it's not necessarily 

739
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,720
with the initial setup that we 
started with. 

740
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,200
I had someone reached out to me 
on Instagram that basically said

741
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,480
that they were like, we are 8 
days into the year and I already

742
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,440
think I need a different planner
approach. 

743
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,720
And I was just like, Oh my 
goodness, first of all, like 

744
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,600
that's really soon. 
But also it's OK. 

745
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,960
Like this is a great time to 
figure out something's not 

746
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,920
working for you. 
I usually tend to make myself 

747
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,080
give myself at least two weeks 
to really like get to know 

748
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,200
something a bit more. 
Especially when I do like 

749
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,720
notebook reviews and things like
that. 

750
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,080
I like to actually spend time 
with it because doing something 

751
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,040
for one day is not going to 
change your life. 

752
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,160
Honestly. 
Doing something for a week 

753
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960
maybe. 
I mean I can force myself not to

754
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,200
do something for a week easily. 
It takes a little bit longer for

755
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,360
myself personally. 
Like turn that into an actual 

756
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,360
habit or something that I am or 
am not doing. 

757
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,240
I just know that about myself 
though. 

758
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Maybe other people just self 
realize and actualize a lot 

759
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,240
faster than I do. 
But I guess this kind of comes 

760
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,400
back to the first point of like 
if something isn't working, part

761
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,719
of it's not working, we can make
tweaks and we can make changes 

762
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,000
kind of thing. 
We don't have to throw out the 

763
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,920
whole system because of one 
part. 

764
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:15,920
So it's this kind of balancing 
act of like, how long do we give

765
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,760
it so that we kind of have more 
of a sense of whether it is or 

766
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,040
isn't working. 
And thus do we want to change it

767
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,520
or do we want to scrap it and 
move on to something else 

768
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,239
entirely, like making changes. 
I love, I like, I like changing 

769
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,360
things in my journal in general.
I like running these little 

770
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,679
experiments with myself. 
And I like your point about 

771
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,840
giving yourself time to figure 
out if it actually works for you

772
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,400
because like you said, if you 
try something for one day and 

773
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,520
you're like, oh, well, this 
didn't work. 

774
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,440
I'm like, OK, was it the system 
or was it the day, or was it the

775
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,440
fact that it's new and you're 
still a learner and we're 

776
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,400
allowed to be learners. 
We're allowed to take time to 

777
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,920
get used to new systems and 
such. 

778
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,480
But once you know that 
something's not working, once 

779
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,639
you're like, yeah, OK, I gave it
the good college try, It's fine 

780
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,960
to let it go and move on to 
something that's going to 

781
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,880
hopefully be more successful. 
Yeah, and like we talked about, 

782
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,000
reuse that for something else, 
rewrite stuff inside of it, turn

783
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,640
it into an ink journal, a pen 
journal, a Swatch book. 

784
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600
There are 1,000,000 different 
ideas that you can do with it. 

785
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,040
Probably should write that down 
and make a YouTube video like 

786
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,400
other other things to do with 
old notebooks that you're 

787
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,120
switching out of already. 
But I think it's just OK. 

788
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,120
And and I get what we say when 
we say like it's a waste of 

789
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,160
money. 
I think we'd last year we talked

790
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,840
about when I got my first bullet
journal, it took me a really 

791
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,960
long time to be OK with buying 
one because I think at that 

792
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,880
point it was really like 20 or 
$25 and I was like, that is so 

793
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,440
much money for a notebook like 
I'm just going to write stuff in

794
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,720
it. 
Why is it cost so much money? 

795
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200
But I feel like it's how I look 
at fountain pens now too. 

796
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,880
It's like an investment in 
yourself because not always 

797
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,000
there are things that are 
overpriced in the planner space,

798
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,600
most definitely. 
But having a notebook that you 

799
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,720
know is going to hold up, I 
mean, you were just talking 

800
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,400
about this too. 
Like you cannot write an Lt. any

801
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,960
longer because it's just not it.
So you will spend a little bit 

802
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,920
of extra money to buy yourself a
notebook that you know that 

803
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,560
you're going to like. 
Also, when you break it down, 

804
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,880
even if something is $35, you're
using US for an entire year. 

805
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,120
So like it does cut down the 
cost cost a little bit, 

806
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,360
especially if that's going to be
the thing that makes or breaks 

807
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,640
it. 
And I look at the same thing 

808
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,720
with like fountain pens and 
different things like this. 

809
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,640
Yes, you can buy cheap fountain 
pens. 

810
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,600
Let me tell you that the Timu 
ones that I got as a part of my 

811
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,800
little like Timu trial, they are
garbage trash. 

812
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,480
They both have stopped working 
and I've tried everything to 

813
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,520
bring them back to life. 
And I was just like, this is a 

814
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,640
waste. 
I'd rather spend the extra money

815
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,520
on a pen that I know that I'm 
going to use that looks 

816
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,440
beautiful and actually frigging 
worn. 

817
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,840
But those are the types of 
things that I just see is like, 

818
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,360
it makes you happy and enjoy 
doing it, but know that it can 

819
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,320
change. 
You don't like the pen you're 

820
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,640
using? 
Change the pen. 

821
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,200
There's so many different ones. 
Steal one from work. 

822
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,560
I mean, whatever you feel like 
you need to do. 

823
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,240
Yeah, I think that's a good 
point as well. 

824
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,760
Like you can make changes to the
supplies you're using as well. 

825
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,520
It doesn't have to be 
specifically like the notebook 

826
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,400
or the plan or anything like 
that, but you can change up the 

827
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,320
decorative styles you're using. 
You can change up the pins 

828
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,720
you're using. 
Maybe if you find that whiteout 

829
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,960
isn't for you because you try 
and write over the top of it and

830
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,520
your pen color is not really the
same, go and buy some white 

831
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,440
sticker labels. 
They work so well. 

832
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,480
They're my preferred mistake 
fixing hack. 

833
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,240
But anyway, just thinking about 
like the parts of your system 

834
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,800
that aren't working, do I need 
to scrap them or do I just need 

835
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,680
to tweak them? 
Is there something else that I 

836
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,920
could do instead that'll bring 
me more kind of joy and 

837
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,440
fulfilment in my journaling 
process? 

838
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,960
But Mark, what would be your 
next tip for the Planner Pals in

839
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,600
terms of staying consistent? 
This one kind of encompasses a 

840
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,160
little bit of everything that we
talked about, but I think that 

841
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,720
building a strong habit is going
to be your best path to success.

842
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,320
And everything we've talked 
about in doing this is all about

843
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,400
finding what works for you and 
exploring that. 

844
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,880
But I think the most important 
part of it is just keeping that 

845
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,120
consistency. 
It's like, Mark, how do I keep 

846
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,720
consistent? 
Be consistent in your usage of 

847
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,880
what that looks like. 
I am a firm believer that again,

848
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,400
if I can touch it every single 
day or I can use it every single

849
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,160
day, that I'm going to really 
build it in and start to use it 

850
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,960
more. 
But I know that every single day

851
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,000
may not be realistic for 
everyone. 

852
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,360
I talk so often about my bull 
adrenaline work and people write

853
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,240
me back and they're like, well, 
you must not work in education 

854
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,400
because I don't have the time to
even look at anything during the

855
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,080
day while I'm teaching. 
OK, every few hours isn't right 

856
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,120
for you, but maybe the morning 
time is before your first class 

857
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,120
comes in or before you head home
for the evening and you're kind 

858
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,640
of cleaning up your space and 
all of that. 

859
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,360
You take a look through and even
every single day. 

860
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,120
You mentioned it before, it 
might not be for everyone. 

861
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,560
You may have something that 
needs to be looked at once a 

862
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,080
week. 
I personally feel this way. 

863
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,080
I think you were kind of going 
there too, just as that having 

864
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,400
it that in assistant doesn't 
help build the habit. 

865
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,320
So maybe you do it every two 
days or every three days. 

866
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,920
I just want to go too long 
because I feel like the out of 

867
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,320
sight, out of mind is what's 
going to get in your way and 

868
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,400
potentially make you forget that
you even have a thing that 

869
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,680
you're supposed to be using. 
So really focus in on building 

870
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,120
those stronger habits and 
finding things that excite you 

871
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,800
and make sure that you feel OK 
and comfortable and changing 

872
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,600
them if you need to. 
Again, building the habit is 

873
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,960
going to be the most important 
part of keeping consistent in 

874
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,520
anything that you're using, 
honestly. 

875
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,440
Yeah. 
And I think that it really 

876
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,720
depends on what kind of purpose 
you've set up for that 

877
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,680
particular planner or that 
particular journal. 

878
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,680
For instance, I have a journal 
that is a Swatch book. 

879
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,240
I don't need to check in with my
Swatch book every single day. 

880
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,040
Like I wonder what them pens 
look like. 

881
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,400
I better go check them colors. 
No, there's no, there's no need.

882
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,320
What I will do though is check 
in without any time I want to do

883
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,880
a new journal setup or something
like that. 

884
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,920
So it has a very kind of like 
time and place function 

885
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,640
associated with it. 
So consistent quote, quote, 

886
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,040
consistent use of that journal 
is just making sure that if I 

887
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,560
get a new set of pens, I put 
them in the Swatch book. 

888
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,960
And that doesn't happen every 
day, thankfully. 

889
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,880
Otherwise my house would be 
overflowing with pens. 

890
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,040
Mark, it's already a problem. 
I don't need to compound that. 

891
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,560
But there are certain journals 
in my lineup that a daily touch 

892
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,280
just is not necessary. 
Another one, which is a bit more

893
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,600
routinized, I suppose, would be 
my goal planner. 

894
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,800
My goal planner does not need to
be touched every day because it 

895
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,240
is only used like once a month 
to pull the actions for my goal.

896
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,800
Into my everyday journal, which 
funnily enough, I do use 

897
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,520
everyday given the fact that 
it's in the name. 

898
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,480
So because I'm like siphoning 
off that information and yes, I 

899
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,000
guess it's a duplication, but 
it's a duplication with purpose.

900
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,640
And we talked about that, right?
Because I have siphoned that 

901
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,320
information off into my everyday
journal. 

902
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,520
I don't need to go back and 
check in with the goal planner 

903
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,040
every single day, but I do need 
to check in with it at least 

904
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,480
once a month to make sure that 
things are still updated in 

905
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,480
there. 
It has a routine, it's just not 

906
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,680
a daily routine. 
No, it makes a lot of sense. 

907
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,000
You actually just made me feel a
bit better about my Desk Bullet 

908
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,960
journal. 
We talked about that one quite a

909
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080
few times last year where I set 
it up because I really wanted to

910
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,080
have that in my life. 
And then that turned more into 

911
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,920
more of like a tracker's journal
than anything else. 

912
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,800
I have the inks that I have from
Ferris Wheel Press as a part of 

913
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,200
their affiliate Jubilee program.
So I keep track of those, my 

914
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,800
social media trackers, things 
like that. 

915
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,920
And I felt really bad for a long
time of not using that every 

916
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,560
single day. 
You're looking in it, but you 

917
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,080
honestly just hit me with a out 
of knowledge that was like, 

918
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,240
Mark, that's not the purpose is 
to look at that every single 

919
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,640
day. 
It's a time and place where you 

920
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,320
need it. 
Not all the time. 

921
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,720
I would feel differently about 
my work journal, obviously, 

922
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,320
because I do need to. 
So thank you, Jess. 

923
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,680
You helped me out on this 
podcast to accept myself and how

924
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,080
I use different journals. 
You are so welcome. 

925
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,720
I think that's just The thing is
like consistency. 

926
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,120
If you, if you take consistency 
just to be daily, then I think 

927
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,440
we're a lot of us are setting 
ourselves up for failure in that

928
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,160
respect. 
Because I said there are 

929
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,960
journals that I consistently 
use. 

930
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,160
I am consistent with them, I 
keep up with them, but I don't 

931
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,280
touch them every day because 
it's not what they need. 

932
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,120
That's what not not what I need 
from them, if that kind of makes

933
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,040
sense. 
Hopefully other people too have 

934
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,320
just been like, all of a sudden 
they're like, Hallelujah, I 

935
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,400
feel. 
I feel as if I've been touched 

936
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,880
by the bullet journal. 
God, thank you for this 

937
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,240
forgiveness. 
Thank you for this permission. 

938
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,880
You're welcome. 
You're welcome. 

939
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,640
So we want to hear from you 
planner pals. 

940
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,280
Let us know from today's topic 
what's a habit or a tip that you

941
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,360
have learned in the past that 
has helped you stay consistent 

942
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640
inside of your bullet journal or
planner. 

943
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,960
You can always drop a note in 
the comments of the video if 

944
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,240
you're watching this on YouTube.
Or of course, you can drop a 

945
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,680
comment if you're watching this 
on Spotify, Apple Music, 

946
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,120
wherever you might be, and just 
let us know. 

947
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,320
And if you're one of the e-mail 
friends, because we have a 

948
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,080
number of e-mail friends that we
really love that message us 

949
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,640
because they watch us or listen 
to us but don't really 

950
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,000
participate in social media. 
You can also e-mail us at 

951
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,280
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com. 
We love to hear from you there 

952
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,880
as well. 
I'm excited to hear other 

953
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,680
people's tips because I know 
that staying consistent with 

954
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,320
planning and journaling is 
something that always comes up 

955
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,800
around this time of year. 
So make sure to jump into the 

956
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,840
comments of wherever you're 
watching and go and Snoop on 

957
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,560
other people's ideas as well 
because they have great feedback

958
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,600
to give. 
I'll tell you Jess, some of the 

959
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,280
best places to learn about 
bullet journaling or really 

960
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,960
anything you're interested in is
the comments section. 

961
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:18,200
You and I both know as creators,
people love to tell you things. 

962
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,720
And I love to hear, I love to 
hear from people. 

963
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,320
I'm not necessarily the greatest
that emailing back, but I love 

964
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,640
to hear about it. 
So Jess, next episode we have a 

965
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,920
very interesting topic. 
This is one that I've actually 

966
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,040
never really spoken about or 
talked to at length, which is 

967
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:40,400
what it's like to be a journal 
slash productivity slash 

968
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,040
stationary creator on the 
Internet. 

969
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,720
Yeah, I I've only done maybe 
like one video about it from 

970
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,160
like the way back whens. 
And I think that was about like,

971
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,120
you know, how I got started or 
something like that. 

972
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,360
And I look back on it now I'm 
like, Oh my God, cringe, 

973
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,800
disgusting. 
Let's not watch this. 

974
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,280
But I'm interested to hear your 
take on this, obviously, because

975
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,960
like you are in such a different
situation to like how I'm doing 

976
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,200
mine and such. 
And you also have like a 

977
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,920
different niche. 
Like I think there's these 

978
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,640
overlap, but there are 
differences between the stuff we

979
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,600
put out. 
I'm very curious to hear what 

980
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,200
you have to say about that 
topic. 

981
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,760
It's going to be an absolute 
amazing episode, one that I 

982
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,000
think for anyone who may be even
thinking about starting up part 

983
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,400
time, partial time, full time 
content creator might be a great

984
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,200
episode for you. 
Or if anything, you just get to 

985
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,920
learn about the history and what
we thought was going to happen 

986
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,000
versus what actually happened. 
Until next time, Platter pals, 

987
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,160
we'll talk to you. 
See you.