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Welcome to the Planner Pals 
Podcast, a podcast with two true

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planner pals. 
My name is Mark or Mark your 

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pages. 
And I am Jess or Jessie Curran. 

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And I knew when Mark approached 
me about doing this podcast that

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this topic was gonna come up 
eventually. 

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Did I expect it to be as soon as
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No. 
But today, yes. 

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We are talking about fountain 
pens. 

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And if the title didn't already 
give it away, one of us is an 

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extreme lover and the other one 
might be a hater. 

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I'm so excited for this podcast.
You don't? 

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I was. 
It's like you don't have an 

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idea. 
I think everyone knows and has 

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an idea about it because this is
like one of my favorite topics. 

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And I love the fact that you 
are, like, not into it because I

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think that's like the best 
conversation to have. 

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It's like when you talk to 
somebody about planning for the 

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first time and they're like, I 
don't get it, you're like, grab 

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a seat, my friend, and a 
notebook and a pen. 

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We're going to have some fun 
today, so we're going to have 

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some fun today. 
We'll see about that. 

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We'll see if you can convince me
that this is a good idea, 

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because right now I'm not 
convinced. 

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Before we get into our topic 
today, we just want to take a 

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moment and thank all of the 
listeners, our commenters over 

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on YouTube, on Spotify as well, 
and just everywhere last 

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episode. 
We know it was a long one, but 

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thank you all for listening 
through. 

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It was such a great conversation
and we had such amazing comments

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from that as well. 
Jess, I'll tell you, I think the

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biggest things that I saw, I'm 
curious like if you saw the same

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things are different. 
I think perfectionism was the 

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one that a lot of people said, 
like that's what's holding me 

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back the most or has held me 
back in the past with planning. 

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Did you see anything else on 
that you felt like was a hot 

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topic? 
I think that that one really was

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the big one. 
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people highlighted like, it's 
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sense of, oh, I'm going to share
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I want it to look a certain way,
but it's also just for like own 

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personal enjoyment in terms of 
journaling, like, oh, I don't 

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want to write this down if my 
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Or oh, I put a sticker for 
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wrong place and now my spread is
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So it's nice to know that all of
our planet powells, we're all in

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this together and we can kind of
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sometimes perfectionism does 
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I'll say that the other thing 
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shared their approach to 
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are bullet journaling. 
And we talked about this, when 

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someone tells you like you're 
not bullet journaling, if 

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they're like, look, I just don't
use these things, they don't 

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make sense to me, therefore I 
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They would cause more mental 
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which I can very much respect. 
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And I think it's also because a 
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least a decent chunk of it, 
they're not beginners anymore, 

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right? 
They've they've gone through the

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ringer. 
They know what works and doesn't

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work for them in terms of their 
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So it has evolved to a point 
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different from the original 
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And I think that that's actually
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That's a good thing. 
We want you guys to be planning 

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in ways that actually work for 
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Yeah. 
And that's a really great segue,

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Jess, into today's topic, 
because I feel like fountain 

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pens are the ever with writing, 
especially with an analogue 

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system. 
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use one, but I've personally 
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it. 
I found communities of people 

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who have as well. 
And if it wasn't for bullet 

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journaling, I can say that I 
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introduced to fountain pens, at 
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So let's start off 1st. 
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let's just start from Ground 
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Like, what do you know about 
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Because I was kind of thinking 
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I don't know, even musing on 
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Like what even is a fountain 
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And I know that sounds probably 
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question, but I was trying to 
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I could not come up with any 
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So in my mind, OK, a fountain 
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Well, it's a pen. 
That's a pretty good start, but.

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I always. 
Think of it. 

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Thank you. 
I tried here. 

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I always think of it in terms of
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nib. 
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got a diamond shaped nib, then 
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come into it? 
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part of it, but I don't really 
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I don't know the full, like 
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Like I'm not like a fountain pen
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I'm definitely a modern new age 
fountain pen user with a great 

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appreciation. 
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kind of come from like the idea 
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right, pushing water out of it. 
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about fountain pens. 
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feeding ink to your tip or your 
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That your diamond pointy thing 
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you're continuously writing. 
It's, you know, an evolution 

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from that classic dip pen that 
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where they're, you know, running
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I mean, that's the original way 
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eventually upgrading to dip pens
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Calligraphy nibs or things like 
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now. 
Glass nibs are really cool, not 

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for a fountain pen, but for dip 
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What I love about it is the 
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When it comes to fountain pens, 
Definitely the inks. 

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The inks to me are like the most
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many, there's so many different 
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Not taste flavors, but flavors 
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Don't drink the ink. 
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and there are some out there 
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drink the inks. 
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main parts of your fountain pen 
really are going to be your nib.

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Now not all of them are diamond 
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There are a lot of different 
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materials too. 
I know this is probably blowing 

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your mind right now. 
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I the only ones I've seen have 
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So I was like, OK, it's Iridium.
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somebody. 
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ones out there that have like 
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Like in my mind, yes, it makes 
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are going to be made from 
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But I haven't really given it a 
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There's some really fancy ones 
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gold because gold is very soft 
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it's like can be hard and 
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smooth like gold Nibs are like 
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especially with smoothness of 
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Maybe that's what I need because
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of so malleable that you can 
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of a thing. 
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made out of gold kind of gives 
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oh gosh, I'm gonna like ruin my 
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percentage to actually make it 
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Yeah, but well, also on top of 
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I mean, you can definitely 
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There are some terrible horror 
stories of people who were the 

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pen rolls off the table, falls 
nib down, and just like destroys

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it. 
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pens too, There's a really cool 
one that I have called a 

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Vanishing Point. 
It's like a retractable pen, but

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it is a fountain pen. 
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it's like, well, that's built 
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Like in a way you kind of have 
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the new nib. 
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you've got like, the barrel, 
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So that's kind of the outside of
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different styles, different 
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Again we'll talk all about that 
later because I've got some 

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really cool favourites out there
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Then you have like the pen cap, 
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There are some out there that 
help keep your pen from drying 

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out. 
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purpose of the cap is to keep 
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known as plastic, into their cap
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Also known as plastic. 
Well, it's like fountain pen ink

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drying technology or whatever. 
I'm like you put plastic on the 

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inside of your cap to keep it 
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Let's let's calm it down here. 
I like that idea of like the new

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and improved kind of thing. 
It's like you see it on a lot of

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different products. 
Like toothpaste is one that 

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always comes to mind. 
Like how many improvements in 

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toothpaste can we really make? 
Like, I know they've got purple 

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ones now. 
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improvement for some people. 
But I don't know how much. 

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Can we really improve on a 
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Probably a lot. 
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Oh my gosh. 
Oh, be prepared for the fountain

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pen. 
Gatekeepers of Reddit like 

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they're scary people. 
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what they know, but there's 
definitely areas where people 

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who that make custom made pens 
are like, don't you dare buy 

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that commercial crap and other 
people who are like, well, I 

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can't afford a $200 custom made 
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I'm gonna get this one for $6. 
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you talk about these kind of 
initial things, it's I I kind of

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appreciate in a way like being 
so new to this and not really 

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knowing what's going on and like
all of the jargon and stuff like

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this, that's how people probably
feel coming into things that 

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like I'm an expert in like you 
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And if you're kind of getting 
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you know what what is a log? 
What what is the this? 

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Daily, weekly, rapid logging, 
whatever else. 

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It gives you an appreciation, I 
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looks at things, especially in 
spaces that you're already quite

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familiar with. 
So I I feel like this is still 

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valuable for me, even though I'm
just like, what? 

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Yeah. 
Well, I think if anything, the 

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information will be good because
if you haven't really been 

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introduced to it before or had a
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mean I was there at one point. 
There is new terminology you 

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need to use. 
You will likely use it wrong. 

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And people for the most part are
very kind in correcting you and 

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being like, well, that's not 
actually called this. 

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I still do it now because when 
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converter, I exchange those 
words very often, but they mean 

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two very different things and 
we'll get into like terminology 

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and what a converter versus a 
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I guess first, you know, I know 
you don't have a lot of 

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experience. 
You have deemed yourself a 

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fountain 10 new, but do you have
any experience with either a 

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fountain pen or even like dip 
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Well, I guess it kind of shows 
how much experience I have 

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because when you said dip pen, I
was like, oh, that's a different

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thing. 
I mean, yeah, it is a different 

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thing or theory, yes. 
Well, you see that? 

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I guess that's the thing. 
It's like when I think of 

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fountain pens along with the the
diamond shaped tip, which now 

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I've been told it doesn't even 
have to be diamond shaped, so 

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way to ruin my day. 
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that a dip pen was kind of the 
same thing. 

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I kind of lump fountain pens in 
the same space as like, you 

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know, dipping a feather into ink
and like scratching it onto a 

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page. 
I don't, I do not think that 

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that's what they are actually 
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things that come to mind. 
I know I must have at some point

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used a fountain pen, and when we
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episode, I kind of went on like 
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Like when was possibly the first
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So when I was like 10 years old,
something around there, and I 

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can't tell you specifically, I 
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I do not know who from or why, 
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The idea of hand lettering was 
something that was very exciting

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to me, and I do think that it 
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similar to a fountain pen. 
It had the little plastic 

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bottles that you like click into
the pens, screw them around. 

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Cartridges. 
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don't want to use it wrong 
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about the converter and I don't 
want the purists to come and get

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me. 
Please be be kind. 

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but it obviously didn't make too
much of A lasting impression 

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considering I can't really 
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that there was 1 bottle of 
purple ink and one bottle of 

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red. 
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down to the paper, feeling very 
excited about it. 

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And then my handwriting didn't 
look like it did in the 

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calligraphy books and instantly 
gave up on it. 

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When you're trying a new skill 
and there's that kind of like 

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startup of like you have to like
kind of suck before you get 

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good, I'm like absolutely not. 
If I'm not a natural born 

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talent, I'm not gonna do it. 
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actually came across calligraphy
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fountain pens, very similarly, 
because I was the same way. 

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Now, I'm a lefty, so a lot of 
this stuff has never been sold 

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to me. 
Ever. 

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You know, like a lefty with a 
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pen. 
You are a Unicorn, and not in a 

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good way. 
You're poking someone with the 

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horn, and no one's gonna like 
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So it is very much. 
I did the same thing. 

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You see that you're like, oh, 
look at that beautiful script 

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lettering and all of this. 
And you're like, all I have to 

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do is just dip my pen into the 
ink or put the cartridge into 

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the back of the pen and just 
start writing. 

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And it's going to come out like 
magic. 

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And it comes out like hot, 
stinky garbage. 

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And it does that for a really, 
really, really long time. 

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stinky garbage. 
So it really is full circle. 

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I know that you do have to have 
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something. 
Like we're allowed to be 

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learners, we're allowed to take 
time to learn new skills. 

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But still, every time I embark 
on a new thing and I know that 

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fountain pens, if I ever get 
into them, are going to be like 

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that. 
There's going to be that kind of

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suckage period, and I'm just 
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it. 
Well, the good thing about 

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fountain pens, and this is the 
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calligraphy pens and calligraphy
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So like a fountain pen nib, for 
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a very, very flexible nib, it's 
almost like writing with a 

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regular pen. 
There's really no difference. 

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You don't have to write in 
cursive. 

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You actually don't press down 
hard on a fountain pen, really, 

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because with a calligraphy nib 
or even some of those other like

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dip ones, the whole idea with 
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it was all about the pressure 
that you're pushing on the nib. 

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So with probably the calligraphy
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when you press down, did the nib
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bit? 
Like was it very flexible? 

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You have literally just unlocked
core memory right now because I 

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do remember pressing down on it.
I remember being more rigid than

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I was expecting. 
But I was thinking like, oh, if 

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I press down, I should get a 
thicker line. 

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And I'm pretty sure I bent the 
tip open. 

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It was like a little spread 
eagle, fountain quote, fountain 

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pen kind of nib. 
So yeah, I probably didn't do 

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it, any good things or any kind 
of service. 

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It's probably user error but. 
It happens with everyone. 

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I think that's been something 
that scares a lot of people away

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from it because you hear 
fountain pen and ink and nibs 

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and all of that and I think your
brain instantly goes to with 

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those calligraphy nibs and what 
I've really found and what I've 

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really loved about it. 
And I was in the same boat as 

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you. 
So I don't want to say like I 

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was born in the fountain pens. 
No, like this definitely was. 

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I saw people using it. 
Christmas was coming. 

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I mean my very first fountain 
pen and my fountain pen. 

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I used no lie or had and say I 
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only had one for about two 
years. 

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It was a Christmas gift from my 
sister-in-law. 

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It was Alami. 
I knew nothing about it. 

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I got. 
I was like terrified. 

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It really wasn't as scary as can
come across. 

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So I think let's do this. 
This might be would be a really 

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good thing to do is what 
assumptions do you have about 

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them? 
And then maybe I can like thumbs

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up or thumbs down them and see 
if that works out. 

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Because I find this is like the 
best way to educate, ask stupid 

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questions and I'm going to give 
you stupid, funny answers. 

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OK. 
So I guess like the first one 

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would probably be that they are 
difficult to use because I kind 

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of think about it in terms of 
the pens that I typically use. 

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Favorite would have to be 
Papermate, Inkjoy. 

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I know it's not the topic, but I
love it and it deserves the 

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shout out. 
And you're probably just like, 

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OK, Jessica, yes, that's great, 
You're $1.84 pen, such a, you 

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know, high quality piece of 
equipment, but I love it. 

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I could just pick it up and 
write with it, you know, click. 

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In the end it's ready to go. 
I don't have to do anything. 

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There's no startup cost. 
There's also no maintenance that

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goes with it, like outside of. 
Maybe the end gets a little 

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scungy and I wipe it off on a 
separate piece of paper. 

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I think with anything that's 
really nice, especially with 

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pens, yes, there is kind of a 
startup where you have to put 

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the ink into the pen and that 
honestly can take you less than 

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10 seconds to do so. 
It isn't a very long process 

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necessarily. 
Kind of get it up and running 

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and get into it. 
And then once you have it with 

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ink inside of it, you write with
it until the ink is gone, the 

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same way you would do with your 
ink joys as well. 

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Eventually they will run out of 
ink and that's why you probably 

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buy them in bulk, right. 
And you have a pack of 20 or 

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more, you know, off to the side 
and in a drawer, similar to to 

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what happens with a regular ink 
or gel pen, as well as like the 

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tip can get stuff on it, right? 
And you do the same thing, you 

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just wipe it off and it's really
kind of it Now, it still will 

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get extra inky, right? 
There's still maybe some of that

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goes on. 
But I I look at it very similar 

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to any type of pen, unless it's 
like a fast drying gel pen. 

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They have fast drying ink that 
you can put inside of your 

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fountain pen. 
So like, there's almost zero 

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instance where you are smearing 
ink all over the place. 

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Like, I have a bunch of it 
because like I said, I'm a lefty

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and it's just naturally just 
loves ink, loves my hand and it 

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loves to push against the page 
and smear everywhere. 

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But you also learn different 
ways to write to, like make that

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happen or not happen. 
Yeah, I think that that would 

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probably be the second 
assumption that they are messy 

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because obviously you've got 
different ways to fill them. 

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You've got the cartridges, but 
then you've also got the 

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bottles. 
I've seen the bottles, they're 

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beautiful, so I assume you must 
be getting the ink out of the 

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bottle somehow. 
But I always would worry that I 

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would make a bit of a mess 
trying to set them up and then 

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use them. 
That is another one that's like 

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a hard It can be messy, 
especially if you're doing it 

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wrong. 
If you knock over a bottle of 

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ink, which I have done multiple 
times, that is like the worst 

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feeling ever in the entire world
because it's multifaceted. 

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One, you're like, oh crap, there
is ink everywhere, all over my 

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desk. 
Two, that ink cost money and 

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you're like, what do I do? 
And you find a way to suck it up

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in some way. 
I've done that before as well. 

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After I clean this up, how do I 
clean myself up? 

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Because not only is that going 
to be covered, but like, it 

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touches your skin. 
It's there for a hot minute, but

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for the most part, there's 
actually not a whole lot of mess

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that needs to happen. 
I guess I can put it that way 

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because a lot of the pens, 
especially some of my favorite 

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ones, everything built into the 
pen. 

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So we talked about cartridges 
before, which essentially is 

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something you put into the top 
of your pen. 

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And it's kind of like the same 
thing is like a ballpoint pen, 

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right. 
Your ink is just kind of in that

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like very thin little cylinder. 
It's the same thing. 

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So this fountain pen ink, you 
push it in, you use it till it's

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gone and you throw the cartridge
away. 

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Now, if you are frugal like me, 
you try to refill those 

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cartridges with ink because 
you're like, I'm going to make 

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this last and then you're 
dealing with like ink syringes 

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and pushing ink into little 
containers. 

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I'm like, that's where that's 
where a mess can happen. 

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But for the most part though, 
when you're dealing with just 

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the ink bottle and you're 
dealing with kind of these other

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pieces. 
So the other piece is called a 

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converter. 
And what a converter essentially

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is, and there's a lot of 
different versions. 

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I'll talk about them later. 
We'll get in deeper about the 

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specifics. 
In some cases, you just stick 

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the tip of your pen in the ink 
and you turn a little thing and 

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it sucks to ink up. 
And then you're done, right? 

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And then your pen is filled with
thinking. 

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You just go ahead and start 
using it till it's gone, and 

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then you just do the same thing 
again when you need to fill it 

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with more ink. 
Well, that's good to know that 

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then if there there is going to 
be messy to be a me problem 

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rather than the Pens problem. 
I mean, there are types too. 

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And especially because there are
so many different ink bottles as

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well. 
Like, I know it's a little bit 

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blurry, but I have all of mine 
set up here, one of my favorite 

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parts about buying inks, aside 
from the inks itself or actually

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the bottles. 
Like, the bottles are so 

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beautiful. 
Some of these that are out 

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there, just they're pieces of 
art within themselves, right? 

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It's kind of like perfume 
bottles, you know, like the ones

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that are always like super 
intricate or really cool. 

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Or my wife has one that looks 
like a high heel shoe, but it 

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somehow holds for a few minutes.
But like, those look really 

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neat. 
So it's something you want to 

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display and have out, but it 
also serves a function by 

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holding on to the thing that is 
the lifeblood of your fountain 

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pen. 
The life. 

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I love that. 
Oh gosh, I'm sure that there is 

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probably someone out there who 
is writing in an ink that is not

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an ink, but. 
Oh gosh. 

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Don't get us started on that, 
Mark. 

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Don't do it. 
Well, I mean, there are some 

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really cool inks. 
There's one called like Oxblood 

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that's really cool looking, but 
it's like very dark and 

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Oxbloody. 
Makes sense. 

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Goes with the name, actually. 
OK side note, I've been watching

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these videos. 
They've been the algorithm. 

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It just gets you, you know, when
you watch something for too long

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and then the algorithm's like, 
oh, you obviously like this, 

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We're just going to serve it to 
you again and again and again. 

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The worst videos, too. 
I know, right? 

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Because the best part about this
one is that every like video 

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that this guy makes is like 5 
minutes long. 

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So of course I watched the whole
thing, which means that then I 

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just get sucked into like 1/2 
hour to two hour loop of just 

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watching all of this guy stuff. 
But he does like traditional art

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forms, so he's out there like 
grinding stones down to make 

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inks to put in his like homemade
printing press. 

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It's so freaking cool. 
And. 

446
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,600
Absolutely could not take the 
time to do anything like that. 

447
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,120
I makes me very much appreciate 
how much easier it is to just 

448
00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,360
have access to pens and inks and
stuff, even if they're fountain 

449
00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,000
pens and you have to fill them 
up yourself. 

450
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,080
In the same way when you see 
some of those things being made 

451
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,200
and I think even when you use 
some of them as well, you really

452
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,440
appreciate it. 
And something in relation to 

453
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,160
like fountain pens is I've 
gotten to know some people that 

454
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,040
hand make fountain pens and they
are, you know, grinding down 

455
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,880
materials. 
They're some of them are 

456
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,200
whittling things, some of them 
are casting. 

457
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,800
I mean, it is such an art form 
inside of them that you really 

458
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,400
do start to really appreciate 
not just what it can do and how 

459
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,600
that tool helps you, but like 
what goes into making that tool.

460
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,120
Yeah, I will say that even 
though I am still a little bit 

461
00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,680
of a fountain pen hater, we'll 
see if you can convince me. 

462
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,880
I do appreciate the 
craftsmanship. 

463
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,440
Like I think that there is a lot
to be said about how pretty the 

464
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,680
pens are, also the inks and then
being able to kind of like 

465
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,000
display and store them. 
Like I can understand why people

466
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,920
would very easily fall into 
through a kind of collection 

467
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,840
space. 
Like with any crafting hobby, 

468
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,760
the collection is a hobby as 
well as their use. 

469
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:16,440
Everything that I have I can say
though is a pen to use, not 

470
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,520
necessarily a display piece. 
While I do display them because 

471
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,600
some of them are beautiful, or I
have two pens specifically that 

472
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,400
I like. 
They are beautiful. 

473
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,680
I don't ever want to use them. 
I will use them, but I didn't 

474
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,000
want to and it's just looks so 
nice. 

475
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,200
But I think what's cool, at 
least about my collection, is 

476
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,400
that I could take any of these 
pens out, fill it with ink at 

477
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,920
any point, and I don't have to 
use it the whole time. 

478
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,560
I'm a really big proponent of, 
you know, if you want to switch 

479
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,440
pens, especially if you have a 
collection like I do, which is 

480
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,920
probably small compared to some 
others, you can just empty out 

481
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,440
that ink, give it a quick little
clean, store it away and pick 

482
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,880
out your next pen and fill it up
and go. 

483
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,760
And you can do all of that in, 
you know, under 10 minutes. 

484
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,560
Yeah. 
As said, I can really appreciate

485
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,200
the artistry of it. 
Like inks, pens, they're all 

486
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,440
very pretty. 
But then I think that I guess 

487
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,600
another assumption that we come 
with that is that because you're

488
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,320
getting something that is 
probably better quality, 

489
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,120
possibly that there is going to 
be a larger cost associated with

490
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:13,040
it. 
As said, the pens that I use, 

491
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,840
they're like $1.84 per pen and 
that's if you get like the 

492
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,800
expensive set. 
So the idea of spending more 

493
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,520
than like $5 on a pen is like 
ludicrous to me. 

494
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:28,320
Even when I buy a tombow in my 
country, a Tombow is like $8 New

495
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,960
Zealand, which I think is like 
$5 US or something. 

496
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,120
That feels like too much to me. 
Like absolutely not. 

497
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,880
Can't spend more than that on a 
pen. 

498
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,240
I feel you on that and that's 
how I felt early on. 

499
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,880
But I think as I started to use 
them more and appreciate them 

500
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,040
more, I've definitely upped my 
personal budget for them. 

501
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,640
So like a pen that I'm using 
right now is by Platinum and 

502
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,800
it's called the Preppy and this 
pen costs about $5. 

503
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,400
There are some that are less 
expensive. 

504
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,120
I actually went to there's a 
store in the US called 5 and 

505
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:02,200
below which is like the dollar 
store but it's $5 and below 

506
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,600
instead of $1.00 and below. 
And I was in there one day and 

507
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,520
they had a set of 2 fountain 
pens, 4 or $5.00. 

508
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,200
So technically you can get them 
for even less. 

509
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,320
They don't have to be expensive.
They can though. 

510
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,440
And that really goes down when 
we were talking earlier about 

511
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,080
like the materials, the nibs, 
like when you're getting a 24 

512
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,560
karat gold nib for instance, 
more than likely that is in a 

513
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,920
titanium bodied pen and you're 
dealing with like higher quality

514
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,680
materials. 
Or if it's it's being handmade, 

515
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,600
even if it's in something like 
resin or resin block and it's 

516
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,240
being grounded down or trimmed 
down, I don't know the right 

517
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,720
word for it. 
That's someones time that goes 

518
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,800
into that and that kind of UPS 
the cost as well. 

519
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,560
I'm somewhat frugal with the 
pens that I'm buying, so I'm so 

520
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:56,400
I usually block and its S and 
that was like kind of a limited 

521
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,120
edition. 
I had to have it. 

522
00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:00,320
It was super cool. 
It was a it's a twisby. 

523
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,880
Twisby is one of the names of 
the brands that I actually 

524
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,920
really love. 
And it is the whole fountain pen

525
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,120
community's fault for getting me
into those because they are like

526
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,520
fountain pen snacks because you 
get one and you're like, oh, I 

527
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,000
love this color. 
It's so nice. 

528
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,880
And then it's like, OK, now 
we're coming out with this 

529
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,760
sunset limited edition version. 
You're like, but I love this 

530
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,560
yellow color. 
Like that's made out of like 

531
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,360
premium materials and they're 
like hey we're going to 

532
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,520
introduce you to rose gold and 
something else and you're like, 

533
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,280
but I have to have that one too.
And then it kind of continues 

534
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,600
on, but it's because I really 
like the pens and they look 

535
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,960
really nice. 
But I will say so. 

536
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,640
The most expensive pen I have in
my collection is from Walton and

537
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,400
it is it's made out of titanium.
It's like German made steel Nibs

538
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,440
and that pens Retail cost is 
$440. 

539
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,040
Oh my God, no. 
It was gifted to me, so I didn't

540
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,960
pay for that. 
But let me tell you something 

541
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,120
about it. 
While I appreciate the artistry 

542
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,720
and the materially of it, I 
actually made a video about this

543
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,840
where I tested my very 
inexpensive. 

544
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:06,400
Actually I used my 5 and below 
pens and I used the $450 pen and

545
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,520
I'm going to tell you there was 
not a lot of difference in how 

546
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,280
it wrote. 
I love an underdog story. 

547
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,200
Good job, $5 pen you go you. 
But that is so many plates of 

548
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,000
sushi. 
Oh my gosh. 

549
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,920
It is a lot and I think overtime
to, I mean I definitely can come

550
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,120
to appreciate it, but I have my 
times too where I'm like I 

551
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,640
really like the way that pen 
looks, but I'm like I don't know

552
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,840
if I could spend $220 on that. 
So like, that's when you become 

553
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,440
an affiliate with a stationary 
pen company and you get store 

554
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,640
credit or, you know, you kind of
work through that. 

555
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,720
And I do believe that you can 
have too many. 

556
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,640
I think if you're not really 
going to use them a lot or all 

557
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,200
of them, it can get into a weird
spot. 

558
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,000
But I think if you're buying 
pens, especially if you have 

559
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,200
like one or two good pens, I 
personally think it's worth the 

560
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,080
investment. 
And I can share with you some of

561
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,880
my favorite towards the end of 
the episode. 

562
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,240
We'll go through that because I 
also want to like, recommend 

563
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,600
some for you, Jess, as I do, but
also if other people are 

564
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,640
listening that are interested in
getting into it. 

565
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,240
No, I've been around the block 
for like a second. 

566
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,840
I haven't been around as long as
some other people have, But I 

567
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,080
think I've got some good picks 
for you. 

568
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,480
Well, I look forward to hearing 
them. 

569
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,120
Because if if you can, if you 
can convince me that it's a good

570
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,160
idea, and if you can, you know, 
recommend me one that doesn't 

571
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,480
sound like a $400.00 pen, then I
might. 

572
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,880
Emphasis on my I might get one. 
We'll see. 

573
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,280
No promises. 
I know that you're a big fan of 

574
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,960
the rainbow. 
There are a number of pens that 

575
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,400
are iridescent rainbow. 
I mean, we can get you into it 

576
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,720
because I know your personality 
and that's one of the things I 

577
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,480
love about fountain pens is 
like, you can literally reflect 

578
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,760
your personality with the pen 
that you use, and it doesn't 

579
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,720
have to be an ink joy. 
What? 

580
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,240
My ink Joy. 
It's OK. 

581
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,920
He didn't. 
He didn't mean a baby. 

582
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,840
It's fine. 
I mean, personally, not my 

583
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,000
favorite non fountain pen, but 
you know, whatever you do you 

584
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,360
bill. 
Yeah, no, I have so many 

585
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,000
different black pens because I 
feel like any time I do a pen 

586
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,640
test in a journal, I want to 
show like all of them, even 

587
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,840
though, like if one of them 
doesn't ghost, most of them 

588
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,440
don't ghost. 
But it's good to show, yes, your

589
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,440
specific pen that you like to 
use. 

590
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,520
Dear viewer, it works in this 
notebook. 

591
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,800
I think that one of the best 
assumptions I have about it, and

592
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,280
I hope that it's correct because
I feel like this is like a 

593
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,440
benefit. 
A true benefit of using a 

594
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,520
fountain pen is that they would 
be more environmentally 

595
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,280
friendly. 
Like every time I use my my poor

596
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,720
baby Inkjoy when he starts to 
get to the end of his days 

597
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960
pache. 
I do try to get every last drop 

598
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,320
of ink out of that because I 
don't feel good throwing them 

599
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,440
away. 
So I would expect that a 

600
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,680
fountain pen would be a little 
bit better for the environment, 

601
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,840
hopefully. 
Yeah, I definitely think that 

602
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,040
that is a big benefit and a 
number of our listeners actually

603
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,600
commented when we asked them 
about like what questions do you

604
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,880
have or what would you want to 
know or let Jess know about this

605
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,920
is that they can be better for 
the environment. 

606
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,080
The thing is, is that there are 
a lot of fountain pens too. 

607
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,160
If you're not into ones that you
have to fill with ink and even 

608
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,640
use cartridges with. 
There is actually a number of 

609
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,360
brands out there, very popular 
ones that have fountain pens. 

610
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:03,000
So it's like the nib, the feed, 
the whole deal, but it's all 

611
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,040
self-contained and it's 
disposable. 

612
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,440
No, Zebra makes them as well, a 
lot of different colors. 

613
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,080
I don't use them all the time 
though, because I have other 

614
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,440
fountain pens and actually 
that's a big reason why I don't 

615
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,920
use those is because I know that
once they're gone, I'm throwing 

616
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,760
them away. 
I'm not like a big like save the

617
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,080
environment person, but I'm also
not like a destroy the 

618
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,040
environment person when it comes
to that. 

619
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,320
Happy Medium. 
Exactly. 

620
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,960
Yeah. 
Don't come for me on either end 

621
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,520
of that spectrum, but what I do 
like about the fountain pens is 

622
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760
that you are refilling them and 
you're reusing them. 

623
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,800
And even with this cartridge, 
just like I said, you know it is

624
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800
a little piece of plastic and 
most of the time when you're 

625
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,440
done you throw that out, 
probably less plastic than like 

626
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,440
a full pen I guess you would get
rid of, but there still is 

627
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,280
waste, you know when you come 
along with it. 

628
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,040
So it's not completely like eco 
friendly save the world type of 

629
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,360
approach to it, but there 
definitely is some environmental

630
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,600
benefits to it from a standpoint
point of not throwing that pen 

631
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,720
inside of the trash. 
I'm sure someone will say that 

632
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,080
there's not environmental 
benefits to digging up pigments 

633
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,600
as well and then you know 
natural resources. 

634
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,040
But let's move on to your next 
question before we get ourselves

635
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,760
in trouble. 
So this one is going to be hard 

636
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640
to explain because I feel like 
it's it's both ends of a 

637
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,120
spectrum because I both assume 
that a fountain pen is less 

638
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,040
comfortable in the hand, but 
then also more comfortable in 

639
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,040
the hand. 
And by this I kind of mean like 

640
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,360
I look at a fountain pen. 
I'm like, you're so chunky. 

641
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,320
I feel like it would be like 
writing with a crayon as a 

642
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,480
three-year old where they're 
just like not made for your 

643
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,520
hands eyes. 
But then I can also understand 

644
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,280
how uncomfortable a super thin 
pen can be. 

645
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640
So I assume there's nuance to 
it. 

646
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,080
I just am too beginner to know 
what the nuance is. 

647
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,080
That's actually a a really good 
assumption to have because every

648
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,080
pen and certain brands make them
to kind of fit a certain niche. 

649
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,600
So if you're the type of person 
that likes like a very thin, you

650
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,560
know, minuscule kind of pencil, 
there are fountain pens out 

651
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,120
there that are very teeny tiny, 
especially like old vintage 

652
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,280
ones. 
And this again, I'm I'm sharing 

653
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,880
this as, oh, just putting this 
out here, not my belief, but if 

654
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,040
you go to like pen shows, 
they'll have some vintage pens 

655
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,480
that are like a fountain pen for
the ladies. 

656
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,080
And it's like a very thin, 
skinny, little like metal pen 

657
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,840
that you can put inside of your 
purse. 

658
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,680
Those are very small and very 
tiny. 

659
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,360
Those feel like you're running 
with like the little tiny itty 

660
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,760
bitty pencil and you're just 
like scratching across the 

661
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,400
paper, right? 
Then there are kind of your 

662
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,760
normal everyday like even the 
one that I was saying that I'm 

663
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,560
using today. 
It just feels like holding any 

664
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,080
type of pen inside of your hand.
There are some that like one of 

665
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,680
my favorites. 
I actually bought this one for 

666
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,960
my girls. 
It's actually one that I'm 

667
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,200
recommending for you later as a 
great introduction Pen is 1 from

668
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,200
Pelican. 
It's called the Twist and what's

669
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,800
cool about it is actually made 
for good hand positioning when 

670
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,680
holding a fountain pen. 
So you actually can't hold the 

671
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,920
pen wrong because it's literally
designed to kind of fit in your 

672
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,560
hands as you use it now. 
I say that last weekend we were 

673
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,280
out and the waitress was writing
with her pinky, her thumb and 

674
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,800
her ring finger, like on a piece
of paper. 

675
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,560
So, like, if that's the way that
you like to write, then it might

676
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,760
not be the pen for you, but like
she was writing very, very, I 

677
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,480
know. 
Try it. 

678
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,120
Like this? 
Like this, you can't see a 

679
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,000
singing of the podcast, but both
of us look like idiots right 

680
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,440
now, trying to hold a pen as if 
I don't know which. 

681
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,560
I actually forgot to ask you 
this question. 

682
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,680
And this is, I mean to like 
generalize because I know that 

683
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,600
you're not like in Europe, 
right? 

684
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,720
But a lot of people that are 
like in Europe, I think a lot of

685
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,280
people were from Germany. 
I think a handful of people from

686
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,320
the UK have let me know that 
they were forced to use fountain

687
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,240
pens in grade school when 
learning how to write. 

688
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,280
You grew up in Australia, right?
Not New Zealand. 

689
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,360
You live in New Zealand, but you
grew up in Australia. 

690
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Yeah, no, we were not forced to 
use fountain pens. 

691
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,560
We have a like a school camp 
where we went and got to use 

692
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,320
fountain pens but that was 
something special that wasn't an

693
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,800
everyday like we learned how to 
do cursive and then eventually 

694
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840
you got your pen license. 
Like you know you've proven to 

695
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,800
the teacher that you can 
actually write like a person, 

696
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,800
not like a gremlin. 
So you can have this official 

697
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,200
piece of official quote, quote, 
piece of paper that says yes, I 

698
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480
am allowed to use a pen. 
Now I don't think I ever got 

699
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,520
mine, so I'm out here doing 
illegal moves. 

700
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,400
I love that idea. 
How cool would that be to be 

701
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,440
like pass this pen writing test 
to get your pen license going? 

702
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,240
To bring that stamp out. 
Yeah, you have to renew it every

703
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,600
few years to make sure that 
you're still writing, OK. 

704
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,560
Yeah, Make sure you're not 
writing hateful things. 

705
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,080
That's what it is. 
And I'm sure the ones that you 

706
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,800
know kids were using way back in
the day were not made for their 

707
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,880
hands or probably your standard 
issue, whatever. 

708
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,400
But there's definitely pens. 
You can get there more 

709
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,920
comfortable. 
You can get some that have like 

710
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,640
a rubbery or spongy grip. 
You can really kind of go all 

711
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,400
over the place with it. 
I would say for the most part 

712
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,040
you can find it and that's 
comfortable in your hand. 

713
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,280
You have to try though. 
Go to a pen show you can try 

714
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,600
before you buy I. 
Do like the idea that you can 

715
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,400
kind of pick and choose with 
what kind of works for you. 

716
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,800
And I suppose that another 
assumption that I have which is 

717
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,200
kind of related to that would be
that you have a lot more 

718
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,200
flexibility I assume in terms of
ink colors because obviously 

719
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,480
you've got a bunch of different 
ink brands and such, but then I 

720
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,000
assume you possibly could mix 
them. 

721
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,840
I assume there's also then 
things you might need to 

722
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,080
consider with that like the type
of ink or what it's made with 

723
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,840
and whether they would actually 
mix properly. 

724
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,840
I'm very much thinking like oil 
and water here. 

725
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,120
I know that most people don't 
write with oil and or water, 

726
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,880
but. 
I mean, there are some people on

727
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,240
Instagram that fill their 
fountain pen with water right 

728
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,120
with it and then like, dip ink 
into it to, like, watch it do 

729
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,440
its thing. 
It's very magical. 

730
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,720
I'll have to send you the reel 
because I'm obsessed with those 

731
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,960
videos. 
I went from having one bottle of

732
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,400
ink, and I actually had 
catalogued all of my inks 

733
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,080
because I have so many. 
And also I want to have a 

734
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,760
digital catalog, and I 
catalogued all my pens, too. 

735
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,600
I have a whole video on that as 
well. 

736
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,400
But I went from having one 
bottle of ink, and now I have 80

737
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,760
bottles of ink. 
And I will. 

738
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,320
I will never use every ounce of 
ink that I have in these. 

739
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,360
I know it, I'm not going to, but
I like to have options. 

740
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,720
No, I completely understand the 
same idea with me in my 

741
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,120
notebooks. 
Like by the time that this comes

742
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,520
out, the giveaway that we're 
running is already done. 

743
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:17,000
But I did a count up of the 
number of just A5 notebooks that

744
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,520
I have that aren't used. 
And that doesn't include any of 

745
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,560
the travelers or the square or 
the basics or the ASICS or 

746
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,520
anything. 
Just A5, not yet used like 

747
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,360
haven't put any ink in it. 
I have 91 journals. 

748
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,480
I'm not going to use those. 
I I mean, if I was going to, if 

749
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,080
I was just sticking with them, 
it would take me like 20 years 

750
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,719
to use all of those. 
I have in my collection one more

751
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,320
A5 than you do. 
I counted all of mine up. 

752
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,000
I have 92. 
Scandal. 

753
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,480
I need another notebook. 
Well, the only reason is I just 

754
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,639
got the Archer and Olive 
subscription box and there was 

755
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,920
one in there. 
So I I don't actively buy any 

756
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,600
more a fives because last time I
did my count and I had that 

757
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,200
many, I was like, Mark, you have
a problem. 

758
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,520
You have a problem. 
I did mine. 

759
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,480
I said exactly the same thing. 
I'm like, Jessica, stop. 

760
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,640
And then the little like devil 
on my other shoulder was like, 

761
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,120
but you like square journals, 
Mark. 

762
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,560
You should buy more square 
journals. 

763
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,120
So now I just buy Square 
journals. 

764
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,040
I know it's 100% a problem 
because I've obviously built out

765
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,240
my rainbow. 
Like we can see my rainbow of 

766
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,360
notebooks and I was like, OK, 
we've got them in the A fives 

767
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,480
now, so now we're gonna start 
building a rainbow in every 

768
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,960
other colour. 
Oh no. 

769
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,080
I mean, it's a fun project for 
absolute sure. 

770
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,880
And so in that respect, I can 
kind of understand where people 

771
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,640
get into like, you know, 
collecting their inks, 

772
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,680
collecting their fountain pens, 
because obviously I have a 

773
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,680
collection. 
I collect two things. 

774
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,400
One is notebooks and the other 
one is pictures of card number 

775
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,840
plates, like the ones that 
people have customized 

776
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,840
themselves that are kind of fun 
and quirky. 

777
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,280
That one's a lot cheaper, 
though. 

778
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,040
Oh, license plates. 
License plates, they call number

779
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,280
plates here. 
Do you not have letters on 

780
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,000
yours? 
Yeah, now they think about it, 

781
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,360
there are definitely letters. 
That's a really odd name for 

782
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,800
them. 
But registration plates? 

783
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560
That's not right either. 
No license plates, but no, I 

784
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,680
like number plates. 
Look, there's a lot of stuff 

785
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,520
that probably makes sense to 
you. 

786
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440
I think the Always One is like, 
where do you park your car? 

787
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,520
And you're like in a driveway. 
You're like, no in the car park.

788
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,640
Oh yeah, a car hold. 
Or a car hold. 

789
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Yeah, we call it very different 
things. 

790
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,880
I've never seen your number 
plate collection. 

791
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,800
Now I wanna see your number 
plate collection. 

792
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,240
But I thought that was gonna 
finish it. 

793
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:19,400
I've never seen your number 
plate. 

794
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,960
I'm like you never will, you 
creeper. 

795
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,120
Stuffy. 
Weird. 

796
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,960
Get back to talking about 
stationery and pens and 

797
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,200
notebooks. 
This one is less of an 

798
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,560
assumption and more of a thing 
that I feel like I know to be 

799
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,920
true. 
So it's gonna be really awkward 

800
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,520
if you tell me it's not. 
But I do not think that they 

801
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,440
work in all journals. 
Yeah, that's true. 

802
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,760
And they're also very finicky. 
So I did a video where I tried a

803
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,680
bunch of fountain pens in Archer
and olive journals because 

804
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,840
people used to say to me all the
time, mark, I can't use fountain

805
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,840
pens because I use Archer and 
olive journals. 

806
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,840
I'm like, well, that's not true.
I've been using fountain pens 

807
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,560
for years in mine. 
But what turns out is that there

808
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,840
are different types of pens and 
different types of inks, And 

809
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,480
sometimes certain types of inks 
don't work well in certain types

810
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,920
of pens inside of certain types 
of journals. 

811
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,200
If that's not confusing enough, 
So over time, essentially what 

812
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,160
you do is you're like, OK, I 
have this fountain pen ink in 

813
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,880
this pen and you'll write with 
it in a journal and it'll like, 

814
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,520
bleed through the page or it'll 
feather or writer or do 

815
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,640
whatever. 
And you're like, OK, that sucks.

816
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,200
I'm never using that again, 
obviously. 

817
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,160
And then you forget, I'm sorry, 
I'm speaking from personal 

818
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,920
experience here. 
You forget that either one of 

819
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,120
those things didn't work, and 
then you put a different ink in 

820
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,120
the pen and then it works really
nice. 

821
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,160
But it really does come down to 
the the different types of pen 

822
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,320
and the different types of inks 
that you're using. 

823
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,080
I would say that one of the big 
things, especially for Archer 

824
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,600
and Olive notebooks, and I would
say this is true for a lot of 

825
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,880
them, is that you don't want to 
go with like a really broad 

826
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,960
nibs. 
So like there's different levels

827
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,120
of nibs that I'll go through in 
just a little bit when I talk 

828
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,040
about like things to look out 
for when you're, when you're 

829
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200
buying pens. 
So you've got like your extra 

830
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,160
fine and fine, which are, you 
know, very thin. 

831
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,360
It's kind of like your .38, you 
know, very little regular pen, 

832
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,960
right? 
I don't mean it like that, like 

833
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,840
your little regular pen, but, 
you know, a regular gel pen. 

834
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,920
And then you get broader and 
broader and then you get to like

835
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,880
the, you know, the 1mm and 3mm 
and even bigger. 

836
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,760
And that's kind of what those 
nibs do as well. 

837
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,480
And the whole idea with that is 
the larger the nib is, the more 

838
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,320
ink that you're putting down on 
your page. 

839
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,120
So you know you can use a 
certain pen and ink inside of 

840
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,760
your journal may find but that 
you like up the nib size. 

841
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,040
And then suddenly you have 
problems because the paper is 

842
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,800
like not today. 
Mr. We are not dealing with 

843
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,120
this. 
Go back to your little baby thin

844
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,280
pens. 
I think that the last one isn't 

845
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,000
so much an assumption, but more 
so something that possibly 

846
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,640
intimidates me about fountain 
pens. 

847
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,640
Maybe that's why I'm not as into
it as others, but there's just 

848
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,840
so many different components 
that you can kind of like tweak 

849
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,080
or change or do differently. 
Like you've said, like nib 

850
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,680
sizes, what? 
And then the barrel and then all

851
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,960
of the other different parts. 
And then I have to pink an ink 

852
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,880
color and then I have to 
consider paper. 

853
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,280
Maybe like it just feels like a 
lot of thought that needs to be 

854
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,720
done. 
For me personally, and I think 

855
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,120
for a lot of other people that 
like fountain pens, that's kind 

856
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,760
of the fun part about it, right?
Is trying different pens, seeing

857
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,440
what you like, collecting 
different inks and kind of going

858
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,840
through there What I was 
thinking I could do, maybe this 

859
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,840
is a really good point, is I'm 
going to basically prove your 

860
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,720
point correct and maybe we can 
talk about just things to 

861
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,200
consider with your pens because 
there are a lot of options. 

862
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,520
There's no doubt about it 
whatsoever. 

863
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,040
There are a ton of options. 
But I think if you're aware of 

864
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,920
what they are, maybe it feels a 
little bit less nervous, you're 

865
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,080
less nervous about it or like 
less like not interested in kind

866
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,680
of going into it or anxious 
about it. 

867
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,960
But let me know as we go through
if you're like, what in the hell

868
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,680
talking about Mark? 
This is exactly why I will never

869
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,000
do this. 
Then I'll just stop it because 

870
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,600
there's a lot we can kind of go 
into here for sure. 

871
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,800
I think it's one of those. 
It's a combination of 

872
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,080
build-a-bear and you don't know 
what you don't know. 

873
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,600
So it's like there are a whole 
bunch of different pieces that 

874
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,200
you can pick and choose from, 
but I don't know what any of the

875
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,200
pieces are, so please enlighten 
me. 

876
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,800
Yeah, so let's go and start with
the nib first, because this is 

877
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,240
one of those things that you 
pick as you go through. 

878
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,040
Most of the pens, at least the 
ones that I get you, don't 

879
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,360
really replace the nib. 
There are some pens, however, 

880
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,880
where you can. 
So like for instance, my first 

881
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,160
pen that la me that I got, my 
sister-in-law, got that for me 

882
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,840
in a medium nib, which is, you 
know, middle of the road. 

883
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,680
It's not super thin, but it's 
not very thick. 

884
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,560
And at that point, instead of my
bullet journal, I was only using

885
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,800
like .28 and .38mm pens. 
So this looked like ultra bold, 

886
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,160
odd by page. 
And so I went online and I was 

887
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,480
like, I don't know about this, I
didn't know anything about it. 

888
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,800
But like Lamy for instance, 
sells the nibs and you can 

889
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,920
replace the nib. 
You just literally pop it off 

890
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,280
and then you put on the extra 
fine or fine nib and you can 

891
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,920
still write with it that way. 
But there are a lot of different

892
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,400
sizes and I've mentioned them a 
handful of times that we've gone

893
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,800
through the technical term for 
it, even though I haven't heard 

894
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,440
a lot of people call it, this is
called the grinds is what it's 

895
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,600
called because they are made out
of metal. 

896
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,680
There are people out there that 
will custom grind your pen nib 

897
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,520
for you, which is really 
awesome. 

898
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,360
I think it's really cool. 
I've never had it done because 

899
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,680
I'm cheap. 
You go out and you're like, OK, 

900
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,320
what does this look like? 
So most of the nibs are going to

901
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,720
kind of have like a sphere on 
the end. 

902
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,400
You could probably, if you ever 
look at the bottom of any type 

903
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,240
of kind of pointed pen, you will
see that. 

904
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,520
If it's kind of that circle or 
whatever that looks like, think 

905
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,640
about like a ballpoint pen for 
instance, right? 

906
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,840
It's the ink that's coming out 
of there, right? 

907
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,520
And it's just kind of like 
moving the ink around on your 

908
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,840
page. 
And so there's different sizes 

909
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,000
of the nibs, so they start with 
something. 

910
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,120
The smallest I've ever seen is 
kind of like an an EF, which is 

911
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,480
extra fine. 
There is also another one called

912
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,320
an XF, which is always very 
interesting to me. 

913
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,680
It kind of looks like a 
needlepoint instead of like a 

914
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640
regular pen nib. 
And I always love the way that 

915
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,920
they look. 
And I have a few of my 

916
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,920
collection. 
And then you have the fine, 

917
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,280
which is like a little bit of a 
step up. 

918
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,000
Honestly. 
A lot of the times I don't 

919
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,400
notice a huge difference between
like an extra fine and a fine. 

920
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
And then you have medium which 
is kind of I would say probably 

921
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,760
run of the road like .8 
millimeter ish and that kind of 

922
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,720
say .7. 
I guess if I'm relating it to 

923
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,440
that, you have broad which then 
goes into like the boulder. 

924
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,520
You have stub nibs which look 
totally different, like a lot of

925
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,640
the stub nibs are like big, huge
thick. 

926
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,680
You use them for titles 
essentially. 

927
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,360
Or my my wifes uncle says you 
get a stub nib because that's 

928
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,840
what you sign your name in. 
It's just a, it's a, it's a 

929
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,200
statement. 
Would you use like a broad nib? 

930
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,360
For sure. 
And then you can go into like 

931
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,920
italic and cursive nibs and 
parallel nibs, but I haven't 

932
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,960
ventured down there just yet. 
They have nibs to specifically 

933
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,640
write italicized. 
I actually just today I got 

934
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,240
another pen order and where I 
ordered a medium italic nib. 

935
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,240
No idea what it does just yet, 
but I was like, I don't have 

936
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,200
that in my collection so I'm 
going to buy it. 

937
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,920
Because my my natural 
handwriting tends to be 

938
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,040
italicized, I don't typically 
use my natural highland writing 

939
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,880
in my journal. 
Like, I write everything in all 

940
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,520
caps, kind of like you do when I
first started with a very 

941
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,200
strange concept because it is 
not what I'm, you know, used to.

942
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,800
So the idea of having a pen 
specifically designed to write 

943
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,800
italicized is intriguing to me. 
It's interesting. 

944
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,320
And they don't give you a pen 
license to write at all caps. 

945
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,880
You definitely need to get a 
different certification for that

946
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,200
after you graduate from school. 
The cool thing about all of 

947
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,400
these news is that you, for the 
most part, right? 

948
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,440
Probably. 
I don't know. 

949
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,000
I'll see what happens with this 
italic one that I bought. 

950
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,640
I'm just going to write normal 
with it, my normal regular all 

951
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,000
caps, handwriting, all of those 
nibs that I mentioned there you 

952
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,200
can use that way. 
Now the materials that they're 

953
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,880
made with though are what kind 
of add some of those variances 

954
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,440
inside of there. 
Like I said, there are a few out

955
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,640
there that are just made with 
different types of, you know, 

956
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,800
stainless steel. 
There's like German made steel 

957
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,760
versus like other types of 
steel. 

958
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,960
There's titanium. 
I always say it wrong, but 

959
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,480
Palladium is another one that's 
out there. 

960
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,000
That one is like a very bright 
white. 

961
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,360
It gives the look of platinum, 
but it's for the frugal people 

962
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,440
out there that don't want to 
spend a lot of that money. 

963
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,320
The golden nibs like we talked 
about and there's some out there

964
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,640
that are called flex nibs and 
those are the ones that look 

965
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,560
like those calligraphy dibs 
where if you press a little bit 

966
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,520
harder, you know the tip of it 
will like spread a little bit. 

967
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,280
What did you call it? 
I would say like open leg, but 

968
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,720
that's not what I'm thinking 
about. 

969
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,000
Red Eagle pen. 
What was that? 

970
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,920
You're on a Mac, aren't you? 
I am what just happened. 

971
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,680
A balloon just went I. 
Think it's when you do a peace 

972
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,360
sign, it does like balloons or 
something. 

973
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,640
Or it's a thumbs up. 
Or one of the two, yeah. 

974
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,640
Oh my gosh, has it never 
happened to me before, I swear. 

975
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,960
Obviously there's not a lot of 
things to thumbs up or peace 

976
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:51,160
about. 
We're talking about spread it. 

977
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,920
Yeah, it's a party now. 
If you're on, if you're watching

978
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,680
us on the video podcast right 
now, both Justice and my face 

979
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,520
are probably beat red and we're 
crying right now from what I 

980
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,520
thought you said earlier about 
your nib, which is not correct, 

981
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,720
I don't even. 
Remember I probably said spread 

982
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,280
eagle? 
That sounds like that's what it.

983
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,280
Was that's the same. 
That means the same thing here, 

984
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,240
so. 
No. 

985
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,840
My God. 
OK Oh my gosh. 

986
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Oh my gosh. 
I don't hope this is an OK 

987
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:28,800
tissue. 
Here we go. 

988
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,600
Cry, cry. 
I hope it's an OK tissue too. 

989
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,120
I was. 
Just sitting out on the bench. 

990
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,280
So I'm like, I probably use this
to clean a ruler. 

991
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,560
I'll just like in it with black 
smudges on me. 

992
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,080
But anyway, so if you press too 
hard, your nib will go spread 

993
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,920
eagle and you'll get fix and 
thins on your page. 

994
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,040
So there's that. 
Let's go ahead and move away 

995
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,560
from this topic now. 
All right. 

996
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,200
So moving on from that, because 
I will never think about my nibs

997
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,640
the same way ever again. 
The other kind of thing to think

998
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,720
about too is the feed. 
Now, this isn't something that 

999
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,080
I've actually come across a lot 
because I don't actually pay a 

1000
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,440
lot of attention to this, but 
it's the feed. 

1001
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,080
So the feed is literally what it
is. 

1002
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,320
It's feeding the nib of your 
pen, whether it's Spread Eagle 

1003
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,920
or not, with as much ink as 
possible. 

1004
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,320
No, it's it's kind of making 
sure it's going through that 

1005
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,720
idea of the fountain pen always 
being available. 

1006
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,800
Some of them are made out of 
plastic. 

1007
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,920
I honestly feel like most of 
them are probably made out of 

1008
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,960
plastic. 
I have seen some that are made 

1009
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,320
out of rubber and those are 
probably some older ones and 

1010
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,360
probably the reason that we've 
done away with those is because 

1011
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,160
after a while they can dry rot, 
right, And you have to replace 

1012
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,640
them and replacing anything in a
fountain pen, it's a part of the

1013
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,160
maintenance. 
It will happen sometimes that 

1014
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,000
and that's a messy thing to have
to do. 

1015
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,960
We already talked about the 
grip, but something to pay 

1016
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,240
attention to for sure, depending
on how you want your pen to feel

1017
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,600
in your hand. 
It does make a really big 

1018
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,160
difference. 
I've written with pens that I 

1019
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,520
hate holding in my hand. 
I think that they just they hurt

1020
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,000
like they are not comfortable 
and nobody wants to use a pen 

1021
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,600
like. 
That I always find that after 

1022
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,560
I've written quite a lot because
of the way that I hold my pen 

1023
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,720
and I hold it quite like vice 
grip. 

1024
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,400
I have a a kind of is it a 
knuckle? 

1025
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,000
Yeah, it's a knuckle that has 
like a little kind of like. 

1026
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,080
Like a callus on it. 
A callus. 

1027
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,280
And it's it's after I've been 
writing for a long time. 

1028
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,440
The callus is just like angry 
face. 

1029
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,360
Why did you do this to me? 
I do worry, I suppose, with the 

1030
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,880
way that I hold a pen because I 
know it's not what you're 

1031
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,080
necessarily taught in school in 
terms of holding it because I 

1032
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,880
rest the barrel of my pen 
against what would be like your 

1033
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,960
right hand ring finger. 
And that's not necessarily 

1034
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,120
typical. 
A lot of people will hold it so 

1035
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,440
that it's resting against your 
middle finger. 

1036
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,320
I guess it would be kind of like
finding a grip that that still 

1037
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,600
feels comfortable to have that 
many kind of fingers around the 

1038
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,480
barrel of the pen without it 
being like, I don't know, 

1039
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,560
awkward or weird. 
Oh, so you're only one finger 

1040
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,640
away from my waitress? 
Yeah, exactly. 

1041
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,120
We're, we're, we're, we're 
closely related. 

1042
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,560
That was bad. 
OK, I don't think I can make any

1043
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,560
further jokes about this. 
So let's talk about the barrel, 

1044
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,520
The barrel of the pen. 
Honestly, this is something to 

1045
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,720
pay attention to be cut. 
Well, gosh, here we go. 

1046
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,360
There's sometimes they're 
shorter, sometimes they're 

1047
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,680
longer, and you have to find 
what feels right in your hand. 

1048
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:18,040
Who knows that fountain pen talk
could be so phallic like. 

1049
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,440
Maybe. 
That's probably why these were 

1050
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,480
created. 
People are like to see that 

1051
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,080
guy's pen. 
Pretty chunky pen. 

1052
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,360
It's like it's got a good stroke
to it, like. 

1053
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Exactly. 
So but the barrel overall, I 

1054
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,720
think a lot of the time maybe 
the barrel really is what holds 

1055
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,800
everything. 
So like if you have a converter,

1056
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,120
it sits inside of there. 
If it's your cartridge, it sits 

1057
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,800
inside of there. 
But really the barrel honestly 

1058
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,040
like that's the material that 
it's made out of, right? 

1059
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,280
That's kind of what you see the 
most because it's for the most 

1060
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,280
part the longer part of the pen 
and what you're doing. 

1061
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,200
What is interesting about the 
shorter barrel. 

1062
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,920
So there's things called pocket 
pens out there that are small. 

1063
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,200
It's kind of like what I what I 
talked about before like the pen

1064
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,920
made for the ladies. 
Really what those are are just 

1065
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,000
kind of a shorter barrel and 
then you have to post, which is 

1066
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,160
another term to use posting is 
when you take the cap and sit it

1067
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,400
on the back of your pen, right. 
And so by posting that it then 

1068
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,920
makes it a full size pen. 
There are definitely different 

1069
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,320
types of caps as you go into 
that too and like how they 

1070
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,360
connect. 
There's the ones you know like 

1071
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,640
the platinum one that I have and
like most pens too they're just 

1072
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,160
the slip on they just you put 
them on there, you're right with

1073
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,920
it. 
You pull it off, you put cap 

1074
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,120
back on the same way you do for 
any type of capped ballpoint pen

1075
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,920
that you would use. 
Same exact kind of thing there. 

1076
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,280
There are other ones too that 
have like A twist inside of 

1077
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,600
them. 
Those would be called like 

1078
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,880
threaded caps. 
It would be the name of them is 

1079
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,880
what you would call them. 
But what the deal with that is, 

1080
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,400
is like to close your pen, you 
have to put the cap on it and 

1081
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,960
then you have to twist it a few 
times, right? 

1082
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,560
And then it holds it nice and 
secure. 

1083
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,160
Those I find really great, 
especially if you're travelling 

1084
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,840
with pens and if you're ever 
nervous about a pen cap coming 

1085
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,760
off and getting on your clothes 
in your pocket or like in your 

1086
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,480
luggage or something like, those
are really good to have. 

1087
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,960
But the problem is, is that when
you post those, some of the pens

1088
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,480
have the threads on the back end
of it. 

1089
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,400
So you're literally like 
unthreading it to take the cap 

1090
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,960
off, resetting it to put the cap
on the back. 

1091
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,760
And then if you're like, OK, I'm
done with writing for right now,

1092
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,520
you have to go through that 
process again. 

1093
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,880
And it's just a lot. 
Yeah, it's it's a lot. 

1094
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,640
And no one likes to do that. 
But if you really like your pen,

1095
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,960
you put up with it. 
I like that there are actually 

1096
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,760
benefits to having the threaded 
ones, because in my mind I'd be 

1097
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,600
like, oh, how inconvenient, like
the screw top my pen to actually

1098
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,040
write anything. 
But like you said, with travel, 

1099
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,200
and if you want to store it like
in your pocket while you're 

1100
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,280
walking around and everything, 
you just want to make sure that 

1101
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,520
you're safeguarding your pets 
from any mishaps like it makes a

1102
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,240
lot of sense. 
But also, if you're the person 

1103
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,400
that loses caps of pens, it's 
one thing. 

1104
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,040
If you lose a cap on a ballpoint
pen, you're like, whatever, 

1105
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,160
throw it in your bag. 
Not a big deal, but you can't 

1106
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,600
lose the cap of your fountain 
pen because, well, it'll dry 

1107
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,840
out. 
But also on top of that, you 

1108
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,920
have to worry about it getting 
on things as well, because 

1109
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,920
again, that feed is continuously
feeding ink. 

1110
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,760
So if that's touching your 
clothes, if that's touching any 

1111
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,760
type of fabric, it's literally 
just over time, just dying, 

1112
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,560
whatever it is that's there. 
So definitely I prefer the slip 

1113
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,880
on the slip offs just for easy 
writing. 

1114
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,480
It works really well. 
I don't mind a threaded cap, I 

1115
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,320
have a few of them, but I know 
what I'm getting into when I 

1116
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,120
choose that pen. 
I know that it's going to be a 

1117
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,080
little bit more of a pain in the
butt than the others are, but I 

1118
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,360
deal with it because I like the 
pen. 

1119
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,680
You. 
Know you said you don't have to 

1120
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,600
worry about a ballpoint, but you
totally do, depending on where 

1121
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,240
you're storing it. 
I had tied my hair back once, 

1122
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:35,440
put a pen in the back of it 
because I was just like doing 

1123
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,160
something with my hands. 
I did this out of the way, 

1124
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,240
forgot that it was there, and 
then put my hoodie on. 

1125
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,800
And then went about my day, 
walking around doing whatever 

1126
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,200
got home, and the pen had drawn 
scribbles all through the back 

1127
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,520
of my one hoodie that is not 
black. 

1128
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,400
Oh my God, I was going to say 
what color is your hoodie 

1129
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,800
because. 
That everything in my wardrobe 

1130
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,360
is black, except for this one 
hoodie, which now has big 

1131
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,040
scribbles all through the hood 
of it. 

1132
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,920
Like, oh, that's a nice 
decorative piece that you added 

1133
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,040
there, Jessica. 
Well, that's your artsy hoodie. 

1134
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,480
Now you know when you're going 
to do like art, you put on that 

1135
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,440
artsy hoodie. 
That's right, don't stifle my 

1136
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,000
creativity. 
Leave my scribble alone, she 

1137
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,200
said to herself. 
So the other thing that we're 

1138
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,320
going to chat about too, we 
talked about like the ink and 

1139
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,360
things like that. 
How you get the ink into the pen

1140
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,400
is something you definitely have
to think about. 

1141
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,120
I think that nib is a really big
deal, obviously, because that's 

1142
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,120
what you're writing with. 
That's what it's going to give 

1143
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,920
you, the comfortability of the 
lines, kind of all of those 

1144
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,840
things. 
The way in which you fill your 

1145
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,680
pen. 
The the ink filling mechanism 

1146
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,760
though, it's very interesting, 
it's very cool. 

1147
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,200
And I actually have all of these
because I was like I have to try

1148
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,040
that. 
So the first one we talked about

1149
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,760
was the converter, cartridge 
writer, cartridge converter. 

1150
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,960
I use those words together. 
But essentially, you're either 

1151
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,520
putting a converter into the top
of your pen and you're sucking 

1152
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,280
ink up into it or it's a 
cartridge that goes on to there 

1153
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,080
that has the ink already inside 
of it. 

1154
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,520
So we've talked about that a 
ton. 

1155
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,560
The other one, which I really 
love, and this is actually, 

1156
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,200
well, a lot of converters are 
these, They're called piston 

1157
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,000
fills. 
And so essentially what that is,

1158
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,120
is there's this little tiny 
piston that's inside that you 

1159
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,120
lower and then you bring it back
up and it kind of creates that 

1160
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,440
suction, right, is what you're 
doing with that piston to get 

1161
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,000
the ink into your pen. 
There's a lot of different ways 

1162
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,800
to do this. 
So there are some that are just 

1163
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,600
extra on the side. 
So like, I actually have a whole

1164
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,920
lot of these just around because
whenever you buy a pen, usually 

1165
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,640
they'll come with cartridges or 
a converter because they give 

1166
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,440
you options. 
Some pens are actually made with

1167
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,000
it built in. 
So the Twisby's that I talked 

1168
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,560
about before, there's some from 
Pilot. 

1169
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,920
I think almost every major brand
has pens like this where it's 

1170
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,440
built in and all you do is you 
stick the top of your pen into 

1171
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,120
your ink and just on the 
backside of the pen. 

1172
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,360
Like where before you put the 
cap on top of it, you twist it 

1173
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,800
and then there's a piston inside
that goes up and down depending 

1174
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,840
on however much ink you want to 
put inside of there. 

1175
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,080
So is that done without having 
to like unscrew the barrel or is

1176
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,880
that like you take things out of
the barrel and then you pull it 

1177
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,040
and then you put it back in? 
The converter is the barrel, so 

1178
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,640
it's all built in, so you never 
have to take anything apart with

1179
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,840
that type of a pen. 
I don't want to say you never 

1180
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,720
have to take anything apart 
because if you're doing a 

1181
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,160
thorough cleaning, you will 
usually take your pen apart to 

1182
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,480
get like really, really cleaned 
out. 

1183
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,680
But you don't have to. 
You can just do like a flush is 

1184
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,120
what I call it, which is just, 
you know, sucking ink and 

1185
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,640
pushing it back out with water 
instead of ink. 

1186
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,080
Those are just really great. 
Those are all in ones. 

1187
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,280
I actually recommend one of them
for you that we'll get into 

1188
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,880
next. 
And it's just because it's so 

1189
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,800
easy to make. 
There's no real maintenance with

1190
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,080
it because you're just using 
everything that's already inside

1191
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,640
of there. 
The other really cool one, this 

1192
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,360
one visually looks cool. 
I find it to be a little pain in

1193
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,680
the butt. 
So it's called a vacuum filling 

1194
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,920
system. 
So this is like a piston, but it

1195
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,280
has this really cool action that
basically turns your pen into a 

1196
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,360
vacuum to suck the ink up inside
of it. 

1197
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,520
So usually there's like a 
plunger mechanism that happens 

1198
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,000
with these essentially. 
So you would. 

1199
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,120
So you unscrew the top and you 
pull it up. 

1200
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,880
And then what you do is you 
press it down and when it gets 

1201
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,560
to a certain part, there's a 
little gap in the pen and 

1202
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,000
basically it goes past it and it
creates a vacuum and it just 

1203
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,520
sucks the ink right up inside of
your pen. 

1204
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,080
If you're watching on YouTube or
if you watch on the video 

1205
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,160
podcast, I'll go ahead and like 
overlay it over this part so you

1206
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,040
can see it. 
So if anything, you know, come 

1207
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,960
to this part of the podcast. 
But that just looks so cool. 

1208
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,120
But the problem is, is you can't
always fill that all the way. 

1209
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,280
And sometimes you're there like 
two or three times. 

1210
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,200
You're like, Nope, it's never 
going to fulfill past here. 

1211
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,520
I'm done with it. 
But it looks very cool. 

1212
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:32,320
And I have to say that like of 
all of my pens that I feel, I 

1213
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,480
always thoroughly enjoy and 
always make reels out of that 

1214
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,160
when I feel that pen because 
it's a moment, then the last one

1215
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,200
that's out there, it's called 
like aromatic. 

1216
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,640
Sometimes it's called a bladder 
filled pen and essentially what 

1217
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,880
it is, and I have one, but I 
haven't used it yet. 

1218
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,720
It's essentially like a small 
rubber bladder that's inside of 

1219
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:54,640
your pen that you basically have
to like press and then like you 

1220
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,680
let go and like it sucks up. 
So you know if you're squeezing 

1221
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,720
your bladder, things are going 
to come out. 

1222
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,040
I don't know what the OP, I've 
never seen anyone do the reverse

1223
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,400
of a human bladder, but 
essentially your fountain pen 

1224
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,040
can do that and that's how you 
get the ink into there. 

1225
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,480
But the problem with those is 
that usually they're made out of

1226
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,240
rubber or some of that have 
material that over time will 

1227
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:17,680
need to be replaced or could 
potentially fail on you. 

1228
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,480
So I have one that's a Mark 
Twain is what it's called. 

1229
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,320
It's a really cool looking pen. 
Again, I'll overlay it on the 

1230
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,200
video here if you haven't seen 
it before, but it has a really 

1231
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,640
cool mechanism to it. 
But the way in which you fill it

1232
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,360
is using that bladder sometimes 
made out of plastic too. 

1233
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,560
I think that's what mine's made 
out of. 

1234
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,440
More modern ones are made out of
plastic. 

1235
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,000
OK. 
So it's like a plastic sack 

1236
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,880
that's kind of attached to the. 
Yeah, there we go. 

1237
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,960
So it's like a plastic kind of 
chamber that's attached to the 

1238
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,720
nib and then you press it down 
to like push out any of the air 

1239
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,560
and then you put it into the ink
and release it and then it, as 

1240
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,760
it expands, pulls the ink into 
it. 

1241
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,440
Were you a Were you a science 
teacher at some point in your 

1242
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,520
life? 
Because I'm sitting here 

1243
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,560
thinking like, Oh yeah, like 
titrations. 

1244
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,680
Like when you're trying to like 
get a particular aliquot of 

1245
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,520
whatever you're doing and stuff.
Like, I don't know what we call 

1246
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,880
them. 
I just call them the bulb. 

1247
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,880
Because it's effectively like a 
bulb that you evacuate the air 

1248
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,320
out of it, you put it on the end
of your pipette and then you 

1249
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,320
release it and it sucks things 
up into the Errol of the 

1250
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,560
pipette. 
When you were going through it, 

1251
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,480
I was just like, I I know what 
this is. 

1252
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,360
I understand. 
Kind of. 

1253
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,320
Yeah, See, so there's a lot of 
very cool ways that you can do 

1254
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,360
it, but there's a lot of 
different things to look into. 

1255
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,920
Do you have any questions about 
any of those things? 

1256
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,840
So I feel like I talked for a 
really long time about all the 

1257
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,440
different pieces of something. 
Most people probably heads are 

1258
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,480
spinning right now, eyes have 
rolled back. 

1259
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,200
Hopefully they're not driving 
while listening to this podcast,

1260
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,840
but anything in there that was 
interesting, minus the bladder 

1261
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,400
conversation and obviously the 
very weird place we went with 

1262
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,120
the Nibs. 
So there's obviously a lot of 

1263
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,160
things that you can consider, 
and you're gonna give me some 

1264
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,840
examples of maybe newbie 
friendly ones, which I'm excited

1265
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,600
for. 
But with all of these different,

1266
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,000
I don't know, pieces that you 
can be considering, the 

1267
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,560
different materials, the 
different styles of nib and ways

1268
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,800
to fill the pen and all of that,
What kind of price range are we 

1269
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,920
thinking when it comes to pens, 
'cause I know we kind of touched

1270
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,360
on the idea that it doesn't have
to be expensive. 

1271
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,760
What kind of a range are you 
looking at when you're looking 

1272
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,600
at your valve pens? 
So for me personally, I think 

1273
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,560
once you get into this space, 
you're looking at spending 

1274
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,680
anywhere between $5 for some 
inexpensive pens, but still good

1275
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,520
quality. 
And I would say probably up to 

1276
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:31,520
like 65 or $70.00 is usually 
where I personally stop myself. 

1277
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,640
There may be like a really 
special one where I'll be like, 

1278
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,640
OK, this is, this means 
something to me or there's a 

1279
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,520
material or it has a meaning to 
it. 

1280
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,920
There are some really cool pens 
from Bennu is the name of it. 

1281
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,760
They have like these themes of 
things. 

1282
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,280
So if you're into like talismans
or things like that, they 

1283
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,960
actually have a whole collection
where the resin pens and inside 

1284
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,200
the resin are pieces of 
materials, flowers, Tiger's eye,

1285
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,120
things like that that are really
cool that you could kind of get 

1286
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,520
into there. 
Now those tend to be a little 

1287
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,600
bit more expensive and for that 
I'll say I'll treat myself, but 

1288
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,560
I would say most of the time 
between 5:00 and like $65 high 

1289
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,040
end, I think you can stay within
and then I'll still give you a 

1290
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,000
really good quality pen with 
some special features that that 

1291
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,040
you might like. 
Because then I suppose you also 

1292
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,640
have all of the other one of 
like pen paraphernalia, like 

1293
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,320
your little like pen stands and 
your little ink stands and all 

1294
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,120
of that kind of thing. 
Your like dedicated Swatch book 

1295
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,640
for all of your inks. 
Yeah, thank you for minimizing 

1296
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,600
my stands and my holders. 
Do you have one that's like a 

1297
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,640
crab? 
Oh, I have a pen holder that's a

1298
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,200
crab. 
I love that. 

1299
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,840
Oh, this is my favorite, my 
octopus. 

1300
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,440
Oh, that's pretty. 
The pen paraphernalia world is 

1301
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,840
intense. 
We have a lot of pen friends. 

1302
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,480
Maybe like, we can have like, a 
pen friend on for like one of 

1303
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,680
the episodes. 
Because after this I feel like 

1304
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,200
you're gonna be like Mark. 
I love fountain pens. 

1305
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,640
Let's talk about this more. 
Yeah, you need to have somebody 

1306
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,000
here to, like, support you and 
your enthusiasm. 

1307
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,000
Well, I'm just like, but this, 
but that. 

1308
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,840
I'm an Ellie naysayer. 
Wah wah wah. 

1309
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,880
Well, let's go ahead and let me 
share some of these pens with 

1310
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,640
you that I feel like we should 
get into your hands at some 

1311
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,040
point. 
I think a lot of these are going

1312
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,560
to kind of fit your needs. 
I think it will fit your hands. 

1313
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,240
One of them specifically that 
I've mentioned and also your 

1314
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,520
personality, and that's kind of 
a big thing that I like to 

1315
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,880
really pick when I'm choosing a 
pen, is funny. 

1316
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,960
The one that fits my personality
in some way. 

1317
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,200
So the first one is the one that
I've mentioned before, which is 

1318
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,240
the Platinum Preppy pen. 
Because this is a $6 pen, it 

1319
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,160
gives you everything you need to
get started. 

1320
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,360
Most of the time these are going
to come with a cartridge. 

1321
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,240
They come with one already and 
they're inexpensive to purchase,

1322
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,760
so they're not really that big 
deal. 

1323
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,200
There's kind of very low effort.
Now if you wanted to turn this 

1324
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,000
into a reusable pen, you can do 
that and make it into an 

1325
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,520
eyedropper pen, but you need a 
lot of other materials. 

1326
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,240
But we're not going to go there 
$6 Platinum Preppy get one, they

1327
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,920
write great and they work 
wonderfully. 

1328
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,240
The second one I would recommend
to you I mentioned as well was 

1329
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,200
the Pelican Twist. 
So that pens about $26. 

1330
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,600
So it's kind of that mid range 
one, but that's the one that has

1331
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,880
the twist on it on the handle. 
It's also somewhat rubberized. 

1332
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,200
So it's very comfortable to use 
and it really forms to your 

1333
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,880
hand. 
Now, I don't know for someone 

1334
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,320
who writes differently than 
everyone else with your other 

1335
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,800
fingers, like you talked about 
there, but you should try it, I 

1336
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,120
feel like anyway, and get that 
the guy I talked to about 

1337
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,000
Pelican at one of the shows was 
like, you want to get your girls

1338
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,720
into fountain pens. 
Here's a really easy one to use,

1339
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,280
and it worked out wonderfully. 
And you can get ones in sparkly 

1340
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,560
colors and different colors too.
So there's a lot of different 

1341
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,040
options. 
All right, So the next one I'm 

1342
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,880
going to tell you about, I feel 
like you would like because it's

1343
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,960
a little silly. 
So these are called Pilot 

1344
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,280
Cocoono pens. 
They're about $14.00. 

1345
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,600
The reason that I have this pen 
is that on the nib of the pen 

1346
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,840
there are little faces that are 
etched onto the nib. 

1347
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,560
Like happy faces or just like 
just generally different ones 

1348
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,600
for different pens from that 
brand or. 

1349
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,240
Yeah, so like, literally the 
ones that just came out, they 

1350
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,880
are a family of pens. 
So you have one of the pens has 

1351
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,520
a little face on it with a bow 
tie. 

1352
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,760
One is like a baby with a little
pacifier in its mouth. 

1353
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,760
And then there's like other ones
too. 

1354
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,680
Again, I'll put them up on 
screen so you can just see them 

1355
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,960
because I can't show you 
because, you know, it's like you

1356
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,320
have to have a product photo to 
really see what they look like. 

1357
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,400
But I like these because they 
are cartridges as well. 

1358
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,160
I feel like honestly, getting a 
pen with a cartridge is going to

1359
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,040
be your best entry point into 
fountain pens because that'll 

1360
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,480
kind of give you the feeling for
it. 

1361
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,480
They are comfortable. 
They're made out of plastic, I 

1362
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,960
guess technically maybe they're 
resin, but they feel like 

1363
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,640
plastic. 
But they also come in a lot of 

1364
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,960
different colors and they're 
transparent, so you can see the 

1365
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,480
ink inside of there too. 
And that's something else that 

1366
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,200
you will see if you start 
looking down this. 

1367
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,280
Like if you see anything that's 
called like a demonstrator pen, 

1368
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,560
that's usually a clear pen. 
So when you fill it with ink, 

1369
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,120
you can see the ink color while 
you're ready with it. 

1370
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,720
It's like a little X-ray of your
pen and it's very cool looking. 

1371
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,360
And then the last one I'm going 
to recommend to you, these are 

1372
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,320
my absolute favorite pens, so 
they're called Twisby Echo. 

1373
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:56,200
So it's Twisby, it's spelled 
Word, TWSBI and then Echo ECO. 

1374
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:02,600
These pens range about $35 and 
they come literally in a rainbow

1375
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,680
of colors. 
I also love them because they're

1376
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,400
the type of pen that has the 
converter already built into it.

1377
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,440
So will you twist the top to 
suck the ink into it, and you 

1378
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,640
twist it the other way that 
pushes the ink out or when 

1379
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,400
you're cleaning it. 
But really more than anything 

1380
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,120
just is all the different colors
that exist out there, and you 

1381
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,480
can get into a real deep rabbit 
hole with those. 

1382
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,720
But I think that was the echo is
good because it's priced 

1383
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,760
affordably and if you just buy 
yourself an ink, you can just 

1384
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,400
buy one, you just keep refilling
it. 

1385
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,760
So, very little maintenance 
inside of those pens. 

1386
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,040
I could go down a lot more, but 
I think of all of the pens like 

1387
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,120
those four are definitely like 
the best place for you to start 

1388
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,840
with. 
Because they're easy, 

1389
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,760
affordable, and honestly come in
a lot of different like fun 

1390
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,080
little variations. 
Enough to make you know your 

1391
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,840
personality shine amongst all of
your other friends. 

1392
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,160
I will say that your enthusiasm 
is kind of rubbing off on me, so

1393
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,480
I kind of feel like I might have
to at least try 1 and possibly 

1394
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,520
one of the ones have you 
actually recommended because it 

1395
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:57,960
seems like a reasonable place to
start. 

1396
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,320
Like you hand picked these for 
me. 

1397
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,800
I appreciate that effort. 
So I'm gonna put all of those in

1398
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,280
the description box or in the 
show notes so that if you guys 

1399
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,760
wanna give your hands on any of 
those pens then they are linked 

1400
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,920
down there. 
Mark, where is your favorite 

1401
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,120
place to shop for fountain pen? 
Anything. 

1402
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,000
Oh, so this is a really good 
question. 

1403
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,520
So I personally am a big fan of 
Atlas stationers. 

1404
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,320
So if you're in the US, they're 
my favorite. 

1405
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,800
They have a really great strong 
presence on social media, first 

1406
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,360
of all. 
And I really appreciate that. 

1407
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,000
Like when a pen company is 
making funny reels, I'm all 

1408
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,000
about that. 
They're a family owned company. 

1409
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,000
I'm actually an affiliate 
through them as well and that 

1410
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,880
I've just had a really good 
relationship with them. 

1411
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,040
I kind of look at like they're 
like my pen dealer and then like

1412
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,840
Archer and Olive is my notebook 
dealer. 

1413
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,720
And I work with a lot of other 
brands and companies too. 

1414
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,640
So it's not like they're but 
they just have a really large 

1415
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,080
variety of different types of 
pens. 

1416
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,760
They're really great. 
Another company too. 

1417
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,360
I purchased a handful of things 
from there, but Goulet Pen is 

1418
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,360
another one that has a really 
strong presence, a lot of great 

1419
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,320
education. 
And those two guys are just, 

1420
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,080
they're fantastic and they 
really know all of their stuff. 

1421
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,200
So there's kind of different 
ways you can look at. 

1422
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,000
Those two are kind of like my 
favorites for a lot of the 

1423
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,080
education. 
And except the new pens come 

1424
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,400
out, they're talking about them,
so you can kind of do a lot. 

1425
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,800
And we also have a lot of pen 
friends as well that are like 

1426
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,720
really into it. 
So like you and I are big 

1427
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,320
friends with Julia and she is 
really kind of digging deeper 

1428
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,400
into that space too. 
She makes a lot of great videos 

1429
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,280
too. 
We'll put a link to her stuff in

1430
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,560
the in the descriptions too, so 
you can check her stuff out. 

1431
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,400
But she's dealing with pens and 
inks and honestly, she's like my

1432
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,880
pet influencer too. 
She'll be like Mark, I have this

1433
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:29,440
pet. 
I love it. 

1434
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:30,960
It's amazing. 
I'm like, well, great, now I 

1435
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,360
have to have it. 
Thanks a lot. 

1436
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,400
Influencer indeed. 
Well, it's good to know that we 

1437
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,960
have some starting points for 
where we can either go shopping 

1438
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,040
for some fountain pen related 
things or some people we can 

1439
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,800
check out to get some influence 
or excitement around fountain 

1440
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,960
pens. 
But do you have a question for 

1441
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,120
the Planner pals regarding 
fountain pens? 

1442
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,640
Absolutely. 
So the question for this week, 

1443
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,120
which we would love our planner 
pals to answer, is that if you 

1444
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,880
have used fountain pens before, 
whether you are a fountain pen 

1445
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,240
aficionado and have used so 
many, have a beautiful 

1446
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,040
collection or maybe you have 
slightly dipped your toe into 

1447
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,360
there, The question for this 
week is going to be what pen 

1448
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,960
would you recommend to someone 
who hasn't tried fountain pens 

1449
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,480
before? 
If you'd like to answer that 

1450
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,280
question, you can shoot us an 
e-mail 

1451
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:18,560
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com. 
We can also check us out over at

1452
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,200
Planner Pals Podcast on 
Instagram or drop your 

1453
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,600
recommendation in the comments 
section below if you're 

1454
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,640
listening to us or watching us 
on YouTube. 

1455
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,600
While Mark is notably very 
excited about fountain pens, 

1456
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,160
something I'm excited about, and
I hope that he is too, is that 

1457
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,680
coming up very soon. 
We are both going to be together

1458
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,680
at Go Wild. 
It was absolutely awesome 

1459
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,840
getting to meet you in person 
last year, even if it was just 

1460
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,240
for a little bit. 
So I'm glad that you're going to

1461
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,600
be sticking around a little bit 
longer this time. 

1462
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,560
I actually get to spend the 
majority of the weekend 

1463
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,760
together. 
And other people, of course. 

1464
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,680
Yeah. 
And also what I'm really excited

1465
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,720
about is that I'm actually going
to be hosting the Crop, which if

1466
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,720
you're unfamiliar with that, I'm
going to be working along with 

1467
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,120
Zebra and we're going to be 
doing a workshop on Friday 

1468
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,040
night. 
And I haven't done it before and

1469
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,040
I don't know what to experience.
So as much as I know right now 

1470
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,360
about what I'm doing for this 
workshop, Jess, I'm going to 

1471
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,520
need a lot of your help to, 
like, help us understand the 

1472
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,440
full experience of Go Wild, 
because I've seen pictures I was

1473
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,320
there for. 
Like, I don't know, an hour or 

1474
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,280
two and I it was during a break,
so I have no idea what happens. 

1475
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,520
So I can't wait to hear more 
about it and share what we're 

1476
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,120
going to be doing there, which 
it will not be recording a 

1477
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,920
podcast. 
I know a number of people asked 

1478
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,400
us that we are not mature enough
for that just yet. 

1479
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,280
This episode I think is clearly 
who knows what would happen if 

1480
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,440
we were live. 
We would have, we would get put 

1481
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,360
in jail, I'm sure if we would 
offend somebody. 

1482
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,400
Yep. 
Cancelled on the Internet 

1483
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,920
Indeed. 
So we will not be recording a 

1484
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,760
live podcast while we're there 
at Go Wild, but I am very 

1485
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,520
excited to actually get to see 
people in person. 

1486
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,640
You're going to be there, you 
make sure you let us know. 

1487
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,560
But on our next episode, we're 
going to be talking about both 

1488
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,400
my personal point of view of Go 
Wild since I've been there once 

1489
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,760
and Mark's kind of point of view
given the fact that he hasn't 

1490
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,600
actually attended before. 
So stay tuned. 

1491
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,360
We will see you in our next 
episode. 

1492
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,720
And from your two True Planet 
pals, thank you for watching.