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Hey there and welcome to the 
Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast 

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hosted by two true Planner pals.
My name is Mark or mark your 

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pages. 
And I'm Jess or Jessie Curran. 

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And in today's episode, we're 
going to be talking about art 

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theft in the planner community 
in particular, thinking about 

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our experiences with it, kind of
what is it, what counts as art 

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theft, And then also how we can 
try and stay safe from this in 

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the future. 
It's a really important topic. 

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We're excited to talk about this
today. 

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First just got to give a shout 
out to everyone who made great 

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comments and also a suggestion 
on our last episode. 

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It was the longest podcast 
episode we have recorded to 

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date. 
So anyone who made it to the 

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end, we are forever grateful. 
And Jess, thank you for editing 

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that one. 
I'm sorry to throw that over to 

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you the longest one possible, 
but you did amazing. 

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Thank you so much. 
I did. 

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Mostly amazing. 
I really appreciated you saying 

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like, Oh yeah, I'm not going to 
watch it back. 

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I trust you. 
And then of course we got a 

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comment saying, hey, what's with
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I'm like, no, I've ruined it. 
But always check your work 

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before hitting publish, even if 
it's an hour and 50 minutes. 

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I was going to say when it's 
almost a 2 hour episode, you 

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know you make those things 
happen also, just wanted to 

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shout out everyone who gave 
great ideas on ways that we 

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could have future planner con 
meetups and these great ideas. 

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I think overwhelmingly we saw a 
lot of people that said hey, I 

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would love to do like a plan and
learn this idea of being able to

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listen to someone talk but also 
learning skills as you do it, 

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which, you know, we did a little
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definitely missed a lot of that,
you know, kind of happening. 

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But maybe it's too big to do 
something like that but loved 

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the ideas about these like 
smaller get togethers and things

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like that. 
I think some people thought that

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we were like planning something.
We're like no, no, no, we're 

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really just asking a question. 
We're not. 

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We're not trying to take on a 
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One day maybe. 
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ideas for what could happen in 
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absolutely 0 promises very much.
That's a future US problem, but 

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I think it would be a lot of fun
if we could get around doing 

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something like that at some. 
Point Yeah, when this podcast 

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gets sponsored by Amazon or some
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know, when we're exclusive, you 
know, maybe we'll think about 

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doing that. 
But for right now we're just 

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trying to get by doing this and 
our full time jobs and content 

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creation and all the other 
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So let's go ahead and kick it to
today's topic, which is about 

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art theft in the community. 
This is definitely something 

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that I know I've seen, 
especially in the planner 

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community. 
I'm sure it happens and others 

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as well, especially with like 
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that, but just you wanna go 
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conversation and get this party 
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So I went and had a little hunt 
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Of course, like the first hit 
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So Wikipedia decided to say that
art theft is very much about the

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idea of like physically taking 
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So like getting your bandit gear
on, sneaking up into the museum,

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stealing pictures off the wall 
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We're not so much thinking about
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literally coming into your house
at night and stealing your 

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planner. 
Which I certainly hope isn't the

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case. 
Can you imagine? 

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I know, right? 
I mean, of all of the things to 

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take. 
But I guess I did spend a pretty

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penny on these notebooks. 
I think they'd probably steal 

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the ones that are blank more 
than the ones I've scribbled in.

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But. 
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It's one possible version of art
theft, but we're also thinking 

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about digital art theft, right? 
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the redistribution of media 
online that has, you know, your 

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artwork in it. 
Or it could be something like a 

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recreation without giving credit
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before you do that. 
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graphic design space, I see that
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I know a lot of people that do 
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I've seen a number of people 
that are like hey, Target stole 

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my design or Pacific Sunwear was
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I saw recent from someone that I
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work. 
I mean it's almost the exact 

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work. 
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happens and I feel like in our 
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planner space, it looks a little
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bit more that redistribution, 
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people re sharing online. 
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I mean, if you're thinking about
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somebody's design, in terms of a
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this in terms of like the 
sticker space in particular or 

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like washy tape designs and 
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When you were talking about 
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I'm like Sheen Sheehan, whatever
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And like all of the people who 
have come out saying like, yeah,

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they stole my bathing through 
design, they stole my artwork 

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and stuff. 
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thing around that was they 
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they were also taking the 
marketing strategies that people

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were using and like doing 
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that they used for, like their 
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So it's crazy out there, but 
hopefully you guys haven't 

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experienced it to that level 
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But in particular, we're really 
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idea of like redistribution of 
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Instagram or Pinterest or 
anything like that, or the 

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recreation of designs in your 
layout in your notebook, 

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whatnot. 
That has been done without 

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giving credit or without getting
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we had originally talked about 
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look back feeling that when I 
first started in bullet 

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journaling there was some really
big repost accounts that you 

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wanted to get noticed by. 
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episodes back about like tagging
all of the different people to 

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try to get people to look at 
your stuff, there was several 

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that I had written down in a 
collection that were like tag 

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these people because hopefully 
they'll see mine and then 

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they'll reshare it. 
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think for the most part, I don't
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They always gave credit, right? 
The whole point of their account

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was to get other things out 
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But at the same time they are 
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using other people's artwork and
they're gaining a following 

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because of that. 
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little bit dicey. 
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area in that because obviously 
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creator get exposure from that. 
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about the idea of paid in 
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one you know, benefit there is 
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You get to have more eyeballs on
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also benefiting from that 
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kind of a following around that,
because they're sharing more 

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pieces, because they don't have 
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them, photograph them, maybe 
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look Instagram worthy, and then 
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So it's kind of like they're 
taking a shortcut by using your 

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artwork and then being able to 
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which it's it's a hard space, 
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it's when that becomes kind of 
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people get taken advantage of 
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I think I see that a lot more 
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different brands than you are 
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sites and our small community of
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number of times and we see a lot
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when a brand takes a photo. 
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will go into the conversation 
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today, is that idea that when 
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brand or you used a specific 
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whatever, you're doing that as a
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I'm pretty sure this is kind of 
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You're doing this because you're
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is what I'm using here. 
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share it and say, hey, I'm using
this Archer and Olive notebook I

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used, you know, this, you know, 
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whatever I'm kind of working 
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interested to know, I want to 
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But that isn't saying that I'm 
giving them permission to take 

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my exact photo and then repost 
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without giving me credit. 
Because that is my photo, right?

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Unless it's a, you know an 
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And I think that's what is 
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when brands feels if they have 
the right to do that when in 

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most cases they definitely do 
not because many of them don't 

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have that in a written 
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You know if you've agreed to 
something different story. 

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go ahead and screenshot this and
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I've had that happen with the 
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a second, you didn't that's I 
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Yes, I used your product but we 
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You could then reuse this and it
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screen recorded version of my 
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I was like, Oh my God, this is 
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I think the worst one is when 
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piece and then they manipulate 
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I'm talking about like chucking 
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like that. 
I'm like, no, I shared this in 

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the most perfect way possible. 
How dare you, you go and change 

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my color grading. 
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Like, well, I've added my own 
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Therefore now it is my art 
because I changed it from your 

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original. 
And that's just no. 

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I mean, I guess where where is 

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the extent to which you have to 
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call it an original piece? 
That's a whole other can of 

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worms and I certainly like 
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about that. 
But I think that with the extent

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that they were changing it, I'm 
like, yeah, OK, you turned the 

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saturation and contrast up and 
now it looks a little bit, but 

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like, I don't think that really 
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Where do you feel like you're 
seeing this the most online for 

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yourself? 
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most it would be on Instagram. 
I think that's probably the most

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obvious place and I also think 
that it's the place where people

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call it out the most, which also
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So people kind of draw your 
attention to where you know, an 

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account or something has re 
shared something without 

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actually asking you for it. 
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really big, I feel is blogging 
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it's like the Wild West out 
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Oh my Lord. 
Like the number of times I've 

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come across people who are 
including other people's work in

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their blog posts without giving 
credit, Is it because they think

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they can just like get away with
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Or is it because like they don't
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reach out and ask permission for
one thing or then actually go 

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and put the credits in like both
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I suppose take a little bit of 
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time well spent. 
So you're not an art faith, But 

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I guess not. 
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And I think in most cases too, 
most creators would say yes. 

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If someone came to me and said, 
Mark, I really like this photo 

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that you used to showcase this 
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I'm talking about my blog. 
Like, yeah, absolutely, you can 

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use it. 
Just tag me or, you know, link 

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to my Instagram or link to the 
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It's not that difficult to do as
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every now and again. 
Like, it's not that hard because

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you found that photo somewhere, 
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dangerous place because so much 
is just reshared or pinned and 

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they're not worried about any 
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They don't care, you know, how 
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Pinterest board? 
We just like the way it looks. 

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But then when you go to recreate
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do a little bit of extra work. 
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kind of that community versus 
competition conversation that we

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It's like you have to work a 

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little bit harder on this to 
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creators or even someone 
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extra time. 
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that. 
Like just going to the little 

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bit of extra effort to find out 
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it really difficult because 
people can pin anything and they

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can pin it without credit or 
backlinks to wherever things 

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something like that. 
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Pinterest spin off. 
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it was another one where people 
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stuff without any credits or any
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But there are ways that you can 
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creator is. 
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aren't so familiar with how to 
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Yeah, and I was trying to think 
if I've ever seen this anywhere 

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else and on YouTube. 
Not that I've seen it 

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personally, but I was watching 
an episode and Mr. Beast was on 

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it, and the interviewer was 
asking him about the 

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beastification of YouTube, 
right? 

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And he was talking about people 
who will literally recreate his 

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videos, obviously without the 
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And that just blows my mind 
because they're like, steal the 

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thumbnails, they'll reuse those 
and they'll put their face 

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instead of his. 
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basically is almost a shot for 
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That's the skeezy side of this. 
I feel like versus being like I 

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was inspired by this video or we
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You're actually really good at 
doing that. 

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You know, I always am like, 
let's give people the credit 

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too. 
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a different person's video, 
we're giving them credit. 

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That's the type of thing you 
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people want to find that. 
And again, obviously Mr. B is 

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very different than like what 
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blows my mind that anybody would
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that they would literally take 
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of that, and reuse it shot for a
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That just, I don't understand 
that there's no creativity in 

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that. 
Like you're literally just doing

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it for the clicks and I'm 
assuming money, but how much 

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money are you really making off 
something like that? 

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learning. 
Like if you're trying to take it

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from a standpoint of like 
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analyzing how it works and, you 
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the different, like, you know, 
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kind of stuff, like that's a 
different picture, all right? 

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If you're doing it for like a 
learning point of view, then it 

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makes a lot of sense to go go 
through and analyze with a very 

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fine tooth comb and all of that.
But if you're then going to 

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effectively take that piece of 
work that realistically isn't 

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actually your creation like 
somebody else did it. 

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You're just following a template
that they didn't OfferUp but 

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anyway, and then using that to 
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like monetary gain or like 
notoriety. 

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amounts, it doesn't. 
It doesn't feel good, It just 

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gives me the ick. 
It really does. 

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And I think that's the overall 
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creator when you see that 
happen. 

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I guess I'm trying to think if 
I've ever seen it anywhere. 

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I guess maybe I've seen it, but 
on Instagram, if I see something

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and you're like, wait, that's 
this person's post and then 

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you're looking through and 
you're like, Nope, that's not 

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their name. 
And that's definitely not what 

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it is. 
I mean, I've done it before. 

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I'm like, hey, maybe you have a 
relationship with this person or

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this brand. 
I'm just sharing this with you 

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to say like like I totally 
thought this was yours or this 

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was yours, but someone else just
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just letting you know. 
I feel like most of the time 

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it's the latter. 
It's somebody being skeezy about

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it and reusing it versus the 
other way around. 

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Have you ever had that happened 
to you ever, with either a photo

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or a real or video, anything 
like that? 

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I have had people repost my 
stuff without asking. 

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Usually I find it and I, you 
know, leave a comment. 

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I try to be positive about like,
hey, I'm really glad you liked 

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this enough to repost it. 
Next time please ask. 

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But what more so happens is me 
finding other people's work and 

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then I will reach out to the 
original creator that I saw it 

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from and like hey, just wanted 
to check in like I saw somebody 

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post a piece that is yours. 
Was that something that they 

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discussed with you? 
Like I didn't want to go like 

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blasting on the Internet or 
anything, if it was something 

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that you guys had an 
understanding about, but just 

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wanted to check in. 
And I think it's just about 

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building that kind of network of
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general who you can kind of just
rely on each other to look out 

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for each other. 
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lot better at that over the 
years. 

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I think that back in the earlier
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Instagram, it was very Wild 
West, probably the same for 

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other planner spaces. 
But now as people just know each

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other a little bit better and 
you have people who have been in

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it for a while and you kind of 
recognize their style, that you 

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can kind of pick them out of a 
lineup just makes it a little 

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bit easier. 
But what about you? 

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You obviously had your real 
happen if we had any other 

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instances. 
I don't know that if I have or 

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if anyone's told me about them. 
I mean, maybe it has, or maybe 

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my stuff's just not that 
stealable. 

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Nobody wants it because it looks
kind of crappy. 

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But I think that when I do see 
it happen with some of these art

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reshare accounts, I feel like 
that's where it happens the most

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for me. 
Again, it was the reel that I 

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saw that was redone. 
And at that point, I almost kind

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of feel like if you're going to 
do that, just ask me and I will 

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download it and send it to you. 
Like, I'd rather you repost it 

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with really great quality than 
to repost it with like all the 

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extra crap around the outside. 
Like, I I think that people 

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should just get more comfortable
in asking. 

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Maybe they're scared that 
someone's going to say, oh, 

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sure, you could do that, but 
that's going to cost you $100 or

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they're going to try to charge 
them for it. 

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And I think that that's maybe 
let's talk about that for a 

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second because you and I have 
both worked with different 

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brands. 
I know for myself personally. 

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A lot of times if something's 
gifted to me right, I'll share 

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and I'll tag them. 
I don't it's it's my decision 

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decision on what I want to do 
with that. 

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But I definitely have had it as 
a part of agreements before to 

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say you know once this is done I
will share this tag you 

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whatever, but I'm also going to 
provide you essentially with the

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originals and you can do 
whatever you want with that. 

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Have you done anything like that
recently or any kind of things 

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that you could share on that 
that you feel like would be 

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helpful for the conversation? 
I don't know if I've, I've ever 

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done one with, like, the 
intention of, like they get to 

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have the picture after the fact.
Like, usually there's some kind 

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of agreement that they'll like, 
you know, share a video that 

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I've made or something via their
social channels or whatever. 

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But it's not so much them like 
posting it on their channels. 

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It's just sharing a link back to
an original piece of my work. 

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So it's a little bit different. 
I have had a brand that I worked

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with previously who I made a 
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hey, we really loved your video.
Can you send us the original 

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file so that we can use it? 
I'm like, no, that one is a 

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completely different kind of 
handle of fish. 

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If you want to do that with me, 
then we need to make sure that 

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that's an upfront discussion. 
We need to make sure that 

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there's some kind of like 
monetary exchange for that 

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because it's like I'm 
effectively taking my 

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intellectual property and just 
giving it to you for free. 

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That's a little bit different. 
So nowadays I I think it's 

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really hard to charge for that 
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I I mean, for some people it 
probably isn't. 

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But for me, coming from a space 
of like, you know, oh, you know,

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doing all of these 
collaborations with people in 

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exchange for free product and 
stuff like that. 

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Yes. 
But now that I have a bit more 

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of the following behind me, a 
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influence. 
But it's there. 

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You do, you know, name name it 
what it is kind of a thing. 

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It comes a bit of responsibility
with that. 

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And I want to make sure that if 
I'm going to be approaching 

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these collaborations with people
where they're going to be able 

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to like, you know, take my 
likeness, which is actually just

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me and my recordings, if they're
going to be using it, then they 

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should be some kind of like 
financial exchange with regards 

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to that, I feel. 
I completely agree with you, 

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especially with brands and I 
just had a conversation last 

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week around affiliate and 
relationships and things like 

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that. 
There was some stuff recently 

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that's been happening in the 
community that I personally have

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just not been very happy hearing
about. 

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And I've talked to you plenty on
the side on things that have 

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happened to me as well. 
They also have happened to you. 

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But this idea that, you know, 
brands taking advantage of 

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creators, they know, know what 
they're getting out of those 

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deals, right. 
They are very much aware that 

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you know, if I send you this pen
or this notebook, you're going 

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to share it. 
It's going to give them more 

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exposure. 
That's understood. 

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I think that if anybody isn't 
aware that that's happening, let

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Jess and I be the ones to tell 
you. 

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That is why people approach you.
And in most cases, right, saying

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I'm going to send you this 
notebook for a review and a post

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and all these things, you have 
the right to say no as a 

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creator, right? 
If they are asking, hey, you 

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made this YouTube video, it's OK
if I record the screen and then 

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use this for my advertising. 
No, not unless you are paying me

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for that or I agree that it's OK
for you to do that. 

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Because in the long run, what 
people are doing is they are 

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taking your content, they are 
making money off of that and you

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are not receiving any of that 
benefit because more than likely

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they are not tagging you in that
they are not taking back to your

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video. 
They are literally downloading 

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that off the Internet and then 
using that as their own. 

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And I don't like to make it 
sound like this is like a money 

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grab for us, but this is how you
handle business as a creator. 

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You know, it's not like, hey, 
Super Bowl, can you just go 

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ahead and play my 30 second 
commercial real quick? 

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You just pop it in there in 
between. 

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No, that cost $6 million to do 
that. 

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Now, I'm not saying that, you 
know, our Bullet Journal Review 

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videos should get us $6 million 
for that. 

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But would you take a look at how
many people will see it or how 

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they're utilizing that? 
You should get more than a free 

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notebook, let's just put it that
way. 

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Yeah, 100% agree. 
You should get more than a free 

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notebook, especially if you're, 
you know, sharing it with your 

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audience and stuff. 
With that idea that those people

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are going to see that piece of 
media go back to that brand and 

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make purchases like you are 
helping to increase their 

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monetary, I don't know, value 
whatever. 

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So you should get something from
that, even if it's just like 

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affiliate sales or whatever, 
like that's fine. 

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However you want to operate, 
it's up to you. 

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You are your own person, but 
make sure that there's something

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in it for you outside of just 
like I got a free notebook and 

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they got another $500 in sales 
or something. 

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Yeah, and definitely don't worry
about the size of your account. 

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Regardless of the size of your 
account that should be in there.

450
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,440
Jess and I have had a lot of 
conversations about this, even 

451
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,360
recently talking about like rate
cards and things like that. 

452
00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,560
I want to turn this into that 
conversation. 

453
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,920
But the idea is regardless of 
the size of your account, you 

454
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,400
don't let that happen. 
Doesn't matter if you have 300 

455
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,760
followers. 
No one should be taking your 

456
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,360
artwork or your videos and then 
reusing that for themselves. 

457
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:31,840
Especially a large brand or even
a medium sized or even a small 

458
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,880
brand does not matter unless 
it's some type of an agreement 

459
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,000
like don't get taken advantage 
of because that's not the 

460
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,600
business that we're in here. 
Yeah. 

461
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,800
I think the hard part with like 
I'm going to say mid to high 

462
00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:46,600
kind of brands, you know, larger
brands, they just know better. 

463
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,280
Like they know what they're 
doing and they need to do better

464
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,560
kind of a thing. 
I know that there's one example 

465
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,200
that we can probably speak on, 
which was coming across an 

466
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,960
advertisement for a specific 
notebook company to remain 

467
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,680
unnamed and seeing a whole bunch
of work from a bunch of 

468
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,080
different creators on Instagram 
that I followed like, oh wow, 

469
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,040
that's so exciting. 
Like, I didn't realize they were

470
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,480
working with this company. 
So I reached out to one of them 

471
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,760
in particular to say like, hey, 
I came across your work in this 

472
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,600
ad where you working with insert
name here and they're like, no, 

473
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,800
no, I'm not. 
This is the first I'm hearing of

474
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,840
it. 
That was a whole thing like 

475
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,440
those creators. 
Yeah, going back to that brand 

476
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,720
and being like, well, hey, you 
used my work, I'd like to get 

477
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,640
paid now. 
Thank you. 

478
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,120
Because I know that it's an 
advertising. 

479
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,520
You are going to be making money
off that. 

480
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,880
So where's my kickback kind of a
thing. 

481
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,880
And then we had like the founder
of the brand reaching out in the

482
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,240
Facebook community about the 
whole thing and it was, it was 

483
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,200
messy, but also it was not 
handled well. 

484
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,280
Like first of all, do not do 
that. 

485
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,040
You should not be taking 
people's work without permission

486
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,760
and you definitely shouldn't be 
using them in your ads. 

487
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,400
And then to jump on and be like,
Oh yeah, no, it was this like 

488
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,040
company that we were using and 
we didn't know they were doing 

489
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,800
it. 
I'm like absolutely not. 

490
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,280
All of that should be run 
through somebody on your senior 

491
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,840
leadership team or something 
like that. 

492
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,440
So I no belief, no belief in the
idea that you didn't know what 

493
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,320
was going on there. 
You just thought you could get 

494
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,120
away with it and people would be
happy for the exposure that you 

495
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:14,880
didn't really give them because 
you didn't actually say that it 

496
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,160
was from them anyways. 
Yeah, if you're going to use 

497
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,080
that broadly, you would 
definitely want to tag or show 

498
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,440
their name or whatever on there.
It doesn't make it right that 

499
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,560
you didn't ask for permission in
the 1st place, but the least 

500
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,240
that you could do, whether you 
are the brand or the agency 

501
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,280
working for that brand, like 
understand the community that 

502
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,280
you're a part of. 
That's why when we when we see 

503
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,640
these things start to happen a 
little bit, that feels like 

504
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,200
money grabs to me. 
That feels like they're taking 

505
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,720
advantage of the community and 
if it wasn't for this community,

506
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,400
they would not be successful. 
And that's a really big part of 

507
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,360
this too, is that those brands 
need the community to support 

508
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,960
them, for them, to make money 
for them to do well, to get 

509
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,760
notoriety, do not take advantage
of the people that are here to 

510
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,640
help you. 
It's part of the conversation I 

511
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,520
was having about with the 
affiliate stuff is that you know

512
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,840
a lot of the times you see this 
as well the someone will e-mail 

513
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,080
you. 
But like hey, I'd like to send 

514
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,120
you this pen or this notebook 
and I'll let you be a part of 

515
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,960
our affiliate program as if that
is going to make you millions of

516
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,480
dollars, right. 
Like they know with those types 

517
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,480
of things that you will probably
depending on how hard you work 

518
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,240
for it, first of all, you may 
only make a handful of dollars 

519
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,280
off of that. 
I was using, I don't know if it 

520
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,360
was the same one, but I think 
you did something with like one 

521
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,000
of those photo printer companies
at one point. 

522
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,560
I feel like everyone has at some
point because they hit you up. 

523
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,480
It's like I think I got one sale
off of that, right? 

524
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,480
And I like made a video and I 
did a review and all this stuff.

525
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,280
This was earlier on in my 
career. 

526
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,320
I was like, that was hours of 
work that I put into that that 

527
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,920
potentially made them a lot of 
money and I made like a dollar 

528
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,000
off of the affiliate sale. 
But it was just, yeah, and 

529
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,120
that's not always the way to go.
But then sometimes though it 

530
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,640
does help, it definitely makes a
little bit sweeter. 

531
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,240
You just got to figure out 
what's right. 

532
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,000
I don't know, I feel like we 
should have someone on that's 

533
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,880
like a a creator lawyer or 
something that could help us. 

534
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,360
We like here's actually legally 
what you can and can't do with 

535
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,240
this because like, we are not 
professionals by any means. 

536
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,920
No, certainly not. 
I think that would be a really 

537
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,760
interesting conversation like 
what is actually allowable in 

538
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,400
terms of these affiliate 
programs and all of that and 

539
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,080
like how should that be 
approached by both the creator 

540
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,800
and the brand to make sure that 
it's a very like equitable kind 

541
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,360
of deal. 
I'm literally just going and 

542
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,000
looking up like what if I made 
off of that, like printer 

543
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,440
company. 
Type thing OK. 

544
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,280
I'm like, all right, I made a 
little bit more than one sale, 

545
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,720
which I do appreciate, but I 
have also used it, I think more 

546
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,320
than you possibly have. 
Like I had a full series of 

547
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,280
videos where I was using it in 
every one of those videos. 

548
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,200
But it's like as you said, the 
amount of work that you put into

549
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,240
kind of like showing that 
showcasing the product, 

550
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,160
nurturing your relationship with
that brand. 

551
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,560
Like you'd hope that you'd get a
bit more of a kickback from it. 

552
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,120
But it can be really, really 
mucky in terms of those deals 

553
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,960
with people, especially ones 
where like as a smaller creator,

554
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,960
for instance. 
And I feel like they very much 

555
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,400
take advantage of smaller 
creators and smaller creators 

556
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,600
just being kind of, like, 
excited to be acknowledged, I 

557
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,400
suppose. 
I don't think that's necessarily

558
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,200
the right wording for it, but 
it's kind of like that where 

559
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,640
they're like, oh, I want to send
you like this, this free set of 

560
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,440
pens. 
And then you can do a review 

561
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,320
video for it. 
And then we'll host a giveaway 

562
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,600
with your audience kind of a 
thing. 

563
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,720
And you're just like, so excited
to be reached out to in that way

564
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,960
that you're like, Oh my God, 
yes, I'll do it. 

565
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,080
I'll go above and beyond. 
Let me like, make you like 4 

566
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,720
different Instagram posts for it
and all of this stuff as well. 

567
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,800
And like, I get it because I was
that person and sometimes they 

568
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,960
still am that person. 
But but you know, if we're going

569
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,600
to go to the effort put in, you 
know, the time, energy, 

570
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,880
resources to make these pieces 
of content. 

571
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,480
Whether they be like the 
artistry that you're doing in 

572
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,280
your planner, in your notebook 
or whatever, or the kind of 

573
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,760
artistry that comes with the 
creative journey, with making 

574
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,520
the photos and the media around 
it. 

575
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,840
Like there should be some kind 
of pay off from that. 

576
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,840
We should not be letting people 
steamroll us, steal our stuff 

577
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,640
without any some kind of, like, 
reciprocal relationship kind of 

578
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,000
going on with that. 
I think we should put this into 

579
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,600
our backlog of ideas around the 
affiliate programs and those 

580
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,520
relationships. 
I'd be very curious and even to 

581
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,760
hear from the other planner pals
if that's something that you 

582
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,640
would like us to talk about 
because I think that is just a 

583
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
whole conversation as a whole. 
I mean I had a one hour 

584
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,360
Instagram live on it last week 
just because we were just 

585
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,160
talking about it and it was just
something that really fired me 

586
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,760
up. 
But I think the the most 

587
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,040
interesting part of that were 
some of the comments afterwards 

588
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,760
that were like, oh, I'm just 
starting off in this. 

589
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,840
I have no idea what this looks 
like. 

590
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,120
And even people who I've known 
for a long time in the 

591
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:40,920
community, I talked about 
actually going through and 

592
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,720
auditing your affiliate programs
because some of them don't tell 

593
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,920
you that they don't work anymore
or they don't exist. 

594
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,280
Right. 
You have to go back to there. 

595
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,280
Like, I haven't done that. 
Thank you so much. 

596
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,640
You know, kind of rethinking it.
And it just got me thinking like

597
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,800
that would be a really great 
place to maybe have this 

598
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,520
conversation would be on the 
podcast from two people who have

599
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,200
been through it doing it, you 
know, and and definitely I would

600
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,480
love to know more about your 
perspectives on it too. 

601
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960
One of the I had someone reach 
out to me the other day, they 

602
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,880
were binge watching these 
podcast episodes and I've 

603
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,280
already said this and shared 
this a lot. 

604
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,920
They were like, I love that you 
and Jess can have the same 

605
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,520
conversation and be on the same 
page, but sometimes have 

606
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,000
different approaches to it. 
They're like, it is like the 

607
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,520
best of both worlds for me as a 
listener, because I'm like, oh, 

608
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,000
this is how Mark thinks about 
it. 

609
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,520
And Jess, who does similar 
things, has this different 

610
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,520
perspective. 
And I was like, that's one of 

611
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,760
the reasons that this podcast I 
personally think works so well 

612
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,720
and I'm so grateful that you're 
here with me, is that we get to 

613
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,520
have those. 
So I don't know, let us know in 

614
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,000
the comments of this video or or
even in the Q&A S of stuff too. 

615
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,680
Like, if you'd like that 
conversation, we'd love to hear 

616
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,400
from you and know if it is 
because we're always looking for

617
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,280
content ideas for this thing. 
I love your point about the idea

618
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,280
of like different perspectives 
and stuff like that. 

619
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,800
So obviously I mentioned that 
when it comes to art theft, I 

620
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,520
suppose and like seeing it in 
the community and seeing 

621
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,160
somebody like reposting or 
possibly even recreating without

622
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,080
giving credit, I'm usually the 
type to go back to the original 

623
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,280
creator and say, hey, did you 
see this? 

624
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,880
I feel like if it's something 
that bothers them, then they can

625
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,800
handle it. 
I don't want to like, you know, 

626
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,760
jump in with my pitchfork and my
torch and like start a fight 

627
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,480
that doesn't need to happen type
of a deal. 

628
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,000
It's good of you. 
I feel like a lot of people jump

629
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,400
to that conclusion and sometimes
it's not what we want to be. 

630
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,200
And I think also too, you just 
don't know. 

631
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,880
And especially with those brands
like you said, you can come at 

632
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,920
it with this, this perspective 
of maybe they just didn't know. 

633
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,960
Let's give them the benefit of 
the doubt and the good ones will

634
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,920
add it back in there. 
Whether it's the fact that they 

635
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,320
got caught and they're like, Oh 
no, I'm going to make good on 

636
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,640
this or they just really didn't 
know and they will go back and 

637
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400
do that, like that's what we 
want to have those conversations

638
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,960
about. 
Ask those questions. 

639
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,040
It's always fun to start drama, 
like we always want to bring 

640
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,520
down, you know, the big man. 
But it's just one of those 

641
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,480
things where I feel like let's 
approach it with kindness first 

642
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,240
and then we can get upset if 
they're acting like a holes. 

643
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,600
Because I mean what? 
It could certainly cause drama. 

644
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,520
I don't think I told you this, 
but I'm like, I don't really 

645
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,000
have a great relationship with 
my family as it is my my 

646
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,160
immediate family? 
Fine. 

647
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,040
My wider family, maybe not so 
much. 

648
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,040
And one of the catalysts for 
that was actually art theft. 

649
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,520
Yeah. 
So a member of my family, who 

650
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,120
shall also remain not named, but
they had produced a piece of 

651
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,880
work, put it online, getting a 
lot of praise, a lot of people 

652
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,840
wanting to kind of like purchase
that piece of artwork off them 

653
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,560
and such. 
And then one day on the 

654
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,640
Internet, I came across the 
original piece. 

655
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,840
So having a look at that and 
having a look at their 

656
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,280
recreation, I'm like, there is 
no doubt in my mind that you 

657
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,400
have effectively stolen this 
piece of artwork from somebody 

658
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,040
and have tried to peddle it off 
as your own piece. 

659
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,680
So I contacted the original 
creator to tell them what had 

660
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,960
happened. 
Whistleblower Jess over there. 

661
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,800
Yeah, I said. 
That's what I do. 

662
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,720
I go back to the original and 
say, hey, I don't know if you 

663
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,840
were aware of this. 
I don't know if you had some 

664
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,720
kind of like agreement about 
this, if they purchased like a 

665
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,360
license or something, but I just
wanted to let you know that 

666
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,760
that's what's happened. 
Whole thing kind of a thing. 

667
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,200
Like we're talking like death 
threats, people going to court 

668
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,280
over stuff. 
My. 

669
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,280
Uncle set up a like website in 
mine and my mother's name 

670
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,840
effectively like putting a whole
bunch of slander and it was 

671
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,480
messy. 
Just know that, like if you're 

672
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,560
going to be approaching this 
kind of like art theft world 

673
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,200
with kind of more of a like gung
ho attitude, there are sometimes

674
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,320
repercussions that maybe you 
don't foresee. 

675
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,320
But it is what it is. 
I believe that people should be 

676
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,840
given credit or be, you know, 
asking permission on all of that

677
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,920
kind of stuff. 
And if it doesn't happen, then 

678
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,440
yeah, I'm going to be the one 
who goes and calls it out. 

679
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,200
I guess let me ask you this 
question. 

680
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,600
You don't have to answer if it's
like too personal, but it was 

681
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,400
the biggest problem because they
felt like you were like taking 

682
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,720
money from them because you 
essentially were stopping the 

683
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,160
sale of something that wasn't 
theirs. 

684
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,480
Was that kind of the the big 
part of that conversation or 

685
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,320
just the fact that you were like
pissing on their parade? 

686
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,080
I think it was probably that one
just like, oh wow. 

687
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,000
You know, somebody's doing well 
for themselves and you've just 

688
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,920
come in to like light the whole 
thing on fire or whatever. 

689
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,920
And I'm just like, if it's a car
tower built on lies, it's not 

690
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,000
very stable. 
So like, whatever. 

691
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,080
But yeah, I, I there's always 
been family drama. 

692
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,960
Anyways, I think that this was 
just more of like a catalyst 

693
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,040
that set them things off. 
But it it goes to show that, 

694
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,080
like if you are going to steal 
people's work online, you're 

695
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,040
gonna get found out. 
Like it might not end up being 

696
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,400
as big a drama as my family 
drama is. 

697
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,120
It may end up being a lot 
bigger, actually. 

698
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,600
You may end up getting taken to 
court over things and stuff 

699
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,240
depending on like the kind of 
copyright, trademarks, whatever 

700
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,040
else that people have on their 
work. 

701
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,920
So just don't do it. 
There we go. 

702
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Save space. 
Yeah. 

703
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,320
So let's continue on that. 
How to do it right. 

704
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Something that I think about a 
lot when we talk about this, I 

705
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,000
think about like my Sunday 
shares that I do on Instagram. 

706
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,560
I used to find things that I 
found inspirational and then on 

707
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,560
Sunday I would post you know 15 
to 20 of them. 

708
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,800
Now I always did it with the 
intent of sharing the person's 

709
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,520
handle. 
I always tag them in it. 

710
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,840
So if people are doing that, 
they're finding something online

711
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,600
and re sharing it on their 
stories and really just it like 

712
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,360
literally hitting the little 
paper airplane and sharing it to

713
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,280
their stories. 
What we're saying is like that's

714
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,560
OK, right? 
Because someone can click on 

715
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,040
that, they can go to that 
original post. 

716
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,600
That's totally fine. 
I I, you know, just in case 

717
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,960
we're making anyone nervous, 
they're like wait a second. 

718
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,520
I did do that. 
I did repost someone's thing. 

719
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,480
Jess again, just the 
whistleblower, she will call you

720
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,120
out. 
But if you are sharing that way 

721
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,800
that's OK. 
Right. 

722
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,600
And and what you're saying as 
well as if you are going to try 

723
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,400
to re share someone's post on 
your feed not in your stories. 

724
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,960
Essentially what you're saying 
is you need to ask permission 

725
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,000
first. 
If they say yes, that's okay. 

726
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,480
You can repost that, but you 
should also be giving credit. 

727
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,920
Probably both in A tag as well 
as tagging in the description as

728
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,200
well, right? 
Yeah, for sure. 

729
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,639
I always prefer it to be both, 
mainly because the caption is 

730
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,440
where a lot of people will go 
for the credit. 

731
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,040
But for me to actually see that 
you've posted it, A tag in the 

732
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,679
picture is the easiest way for 
me to get notified that it's 

733
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,840
there. 
What also happens then is that 

734
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,800
it shares on the tagged section,
I suppose, on my Instagram 

735
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,280
profile. 
I know that a lot of people use 

736
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,239
that for working with brands and
stuff because then it'll show up

737
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,960
in that space on that brand's 
profile unless they remove it, I

738
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,120
suppose. 
But that's the easiest way for 

739
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,000
me to get notified that it's 
been shared because oftentimes 

740
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,760
if you tag me in a comment, it 
gets lost. 

741
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,120
So for anybody who's tagged me 
in a comment and I haven't 

742
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,360
responded, it's not because I'm 
like no ignoring you or 

743
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,480
anything. 
It's because genuinely I missed 

744
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,560
the notification. 
Yeah, there's a lot that are 

745
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,080
happening in there. 
I do the same thing. 

746
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,719
Even stuff gets lost in the DM. 
I think recently. 

747
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,280
Now Instagram has started 
sending you almost like DM 

748
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,000
messages when someone has 
mentioned you or tagged you in 

749
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,360
something and it sends you 
directly to the post. 

750
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,960
I definitely like what they're 
doing with it. 

751
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,120
I feel like the social media 
platforms themselves are even 

752
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,200
trying to counteract a lot of 
that theft or bring more of it 

753
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,960
to your attention, which I think
is is good of them. 

754
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,680
Now that could be totally fake. 
I could be making that up. 

755
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,520
They probably don't care. 
But I think the fact that it is 

756
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,640
they're bringing it more to the 
surface now is great. 

757
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
So you don't miss those things. 
Especially if it's someone 

758
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,720
trying to give gratitude or 
thanks, or even ask you a 

759
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,840
question more than just like 
tagging you on a giveaway post. 

760
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,240
Yeah, one of my favorite things 
that they recently introduced 

761
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,560
was the idea of like invite 
collaborators. 

762
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,240
So if you share a piece of work 
on Instagram before you like 

763
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,200
finally post it, you can 
obviously tag people in the 

764
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,760
picture itself. 
But you can also invite 

765
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,000
collaborators. 
And if they accept being a 

766
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,520
collaborator on your post, then 
it also shares to their wall, 

767
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,480
which I think is great. 
We use that for Planner Pass 

768
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,840
Podcast to share to both of our 
Instagrams, but I also use that 

769
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,480
on the Year of Planning 
challenge. 

770
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,760
So people who are doing that 
challenge, who want to share 

771
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,720
their work with the people who 
also follow the Year of planning

772
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,600
account, they can add themselves
as a collaborator. 

773
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,400
Or rather, they can add my 
Account as a collaborator to 

774
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,040
their post and then it's still 
theirs, it's still their 

775
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,920
original work, it's still shares
on their wall. 

776
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,440
They get like full credits for 
it, but it also shares on my 

777
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,960
wall, which means that the 
people who follow my account can

778
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,320
see it as well. 
I think that's a really good 

779
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,920
step for these creators who want
to have their work shared by 

780
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120
other brands, other share 
accounts and stuff like that. 

781
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,440
I know that there was one Share 
Account who reached out to me 

782
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,240
and said, hey, we're no longer 
doing reposts, we're doing this 

783
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,560
collaborator thing. 
So if you want to be shared on 

784
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,000
our wall, then that's the way to
do it. 

785
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,760
I thought that was really good. 
It was one really nice to get 

786
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,240
the message from them because 
it's just like a special moment,

787
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,120
like you think my work is good 
enough to share on your account 

788
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,040
too. 
Thank you. 

789
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,240
But also it's just a really 
smart move because then they 

790
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,560
don't have to go to the extra 
admin to try and like find the 

791
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,200
picture with the credit in it or
reshare it with the caption or 

792
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,200
anything like that. 
And then it's nice and easy for 

793
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680
me as well because I can just 
put it out there like, hey, you 

794
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,240
can add this to your wall if you
want to. 

795
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:07,000
If they say no, it is what it 
is. 

796
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,280
If they say yes, yay. 
It's yeah, it's really great. 

797
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,440
Also, when you are collaborate 
with other creators, I do that a

798
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,880
lot, especially if we are 
working on something together 

799
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,880
because there is always that 
conversation of like, OK, well, 

800
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,880
we worked on this together. 
Like who gets to post it, 

801
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,520
essentially, who gets that 
credit of posting that on there,

802
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,640
which is great. 
And a lot of the brands that 

803
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,440
follow the strict social media 
rules around how you tag 

804
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:35,120
hashtags, ad promotion, like 
using all of that, all of them 

805
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,000
are also using the collaboration
function now and it's 

806
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,960
specifically inside of their 
agreements now, but that's what 

807
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,040
she'll be doing. 
So some of the really big brands

808
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,440
that I've worked with, it's 
interesting to see that now I 

809
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,240
always have to remind myself I'm
so used to tagging them in 

810
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,240
there. 
I'm like no, no, no mark 

811
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,640
collaborator let's, you know, 
put that through on there too. 

812
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,120
So the people that are doing it 
right, they're doing it right. 

813
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,640
And I and I think that's awesome
and that's really smart of a 

814
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,840
reshare account, do that too, 
like you said, it completely 

815
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,080
removes the need to capture that
repost to do all of that. 

816
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,920
It's basically taken care of for
them. 

817
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,240
That's great. 
Yeah, it's a lot of 

818
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,200
streamlining. 
And I mean, there will be some 

819
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,480
brands who still want to do a re
share in a way that's kind of 

820
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,520
more like the traditional kind 
of format, especially the ones 

821
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:19,640
who like, you know, reach out to
you. 

822
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,680
They ask if you could give your 
permission to share that piece 

823
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,720
of work or whatnot. 
Permission is good. 

824
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,000
We love that. 
We love permission. 

825
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,600
A lot of the time they want to 
make sure that it fits their 

826
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,800
kind of brand aesthetic or their
feed kind of aesthetic, so it 

827
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,720
makes sense that they would 
rather you, like, send through 

828
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,400
an original file or take a 
screenshot, I suppose, or 

829
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,560
something like that. 
As long as they're asked first. 

830
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520
That's the big thing. 
Even with re sharing and 

831
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,240
collaboration, I think we should
talk about ways that you can 

832
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,240
even kind of further protect 
yourself with things like this 

833
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,360
because yes, the collaboration 
and function is great. 

834
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,800
They may or may not be seeing it
or seeing your name on there 

835
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,240
knowing where it's coming from. 
I think specifically with brands

836
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,640
as well, this is really 
important but it does take an 

837
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,880
extra step that you have to do 
and I think this is a really 

838
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,880
important part of being a 
creator and really protecting 

839
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,000
yourself. 
The first thing we definitely 

840
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,520
wanted to talk about was 
creating a watermark for 

841
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,000
yourself on your pieces. 
And you know, this is one of 

842
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,240
those things that you know if 
people are really trying to be 

843
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,520
sneaky about it. 
There are way too many photo 

844
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,120
manipulation apps out there 
where people will just get rid 

845
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,240
of it. 
But like, how do you do it in a 

846
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,800
way that is both tasteful 
without ruining your picture? 

847
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,640
Like, you don't just plaster 
your whole thing with it, and 

848
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,920
some people do, but you also 
don't wanna put just like your 

849
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,160
tandle tag in the bottom corner 
where someone could easily just 

850
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,600
crop it out. 
What are some ways that you feel

851
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,200
like, whether you've used it or 
you've seen it, where people 

852
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,800
have used watermarks tastefully 
in a really professional way? 

853
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,120
Yeah, I know that some people 
actually will like write on 

854
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,720
their platter layouts, their 
name, which, you know, that's 

855
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:00,680
one way to do it. 
But often times if you're 

856
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,720
creating something in your 
platter, you want it to look a 

857
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,560
specific way and maybe having 
your handwritten handle on there

858
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,240
isn't really the vibe. 
One that I've seen that's really

859
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,840
cool is I don't know who it is, 
but they have a hand lettering 

860
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,360
piece on a stone and they put 
the stone in all of the. 

861
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,240
Oh, I've seen that. 
I see a lot of the calligraphers

862
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,640
and hand letterers doing that. 
That's really smart. 

863
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,680
Yeah, I think it's a very 
tasteful way to do it. 

864
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,760
Also, it kind of like almost 
ends up being like a mascot 

865
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,000
that's in all of your pictures, 
which is it has its own 

866
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,760
characteristics. 
It has a name. 

867
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,240
I'm going to call it Francesca. 
Oh my gosh. 

868
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,040
But it's a very cute little 
addition to all of the pictures.

869
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,160
It also lets people know, like, 
that is a picture from this 

870
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,560
creator. 
It's that kind of like repeated 

871
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,720
element that just goes and 
builds that person's brand, 

872
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,800
which is really cool. 
Otherwise that I've seen it done

873
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,120
would just be with like 
transparent text. 

874
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,280
So it's not super noticeable, 
but it is definitely there. 

875
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,920
That's the one that I prefer to 
do and typically rather than 

876
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,800
putting it in the corner unless 
I'm being lazy. 

877
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,760
So sometimes it's the corner, 
but typically what I'll do is 

878
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,600
I'll align it with my journal so
that it's like right against the

879
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,280
edge of the journal. 
But I also use a background that

880
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,840
isn't one colour, so it's a 
little bit harder to then go and

881
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,000
remove that. 
I mean, people can still do it 

882
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,920
with AI generative tools 
nowadays. 

883
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,920
It's probably very easy to do, 
but not going to pay for that. 

884
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,200
So there are ways, but it is 
still like more effort from the 

885
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,720
thief's perspective than it is 
for me. 

886
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,800
Just putting this little piece 
of text on that says like, hey, 

887
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,600
this is mine. 
If you were to have an item that

888
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,880
you would put in all of your 
posts. 

889
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,280
See, my thing is I would forget 
the damn thing all the time. 

890
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,760
But what would you put in yours 
if you were to have a thing? 

891
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,960
Oh no. 
Like, the first thing that came 

892
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,920
to mind was a Coke 0. 
But then, I'm definitely 

893
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,560
building Coke's friend, not 
mine. 

894
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:48,040
Yeah, you've been touting them 
for years just now, like. 

895
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,160
I know, right? 
Where's my sponsorship? 

896
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,040
Oh, my gosh. 
Oh, oh, I know what it would be.

897
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,360
It'd be Timmy the tiny Turtle. 
Look at Timmy the Tiny Turtle. 

898
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,720
He's so cute. 
There we go. 

899
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,320
Beauty Blogger him. 
Oh, look at him. 

900
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,840
Love the details. 
Did you make that? 

901
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,040
Yes. 
Absolutely not. 

902
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,320
It looks handmade. 
It probably is. 

903
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,920
This is from Bath. 
I got this when I was five years

904
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,480
old. 
I'm not very sentimental. 

905
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,200
I don't really like keep stuff. 
So Timmy the tiny turtle or his 

906
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,760
tiny car, but I'm going to show 
it to. 

907
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,280
Timmy the tiny turtle has a tiny
car of his own. 

908
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Did he come with that or is that
a extra OK? 

909
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,120
Absolutely not. 
This one was from my mum and 

910
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,640
it's hard to see, but it has 
these little brushes on the 

911
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,760
inside. 
Oh yeah, So it's a desk cleaner.

912
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,600
So when you roll it along the 
little, the little things just 

913
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120
go like. 
Oh, I love that I have my 

914
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,080
little. 
I have my little vacuum cleaner 

915
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,400
here. 
That's not as cool as that. 

916
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,800
I want the little sweeper. 
That's so cute. 

917
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,960
Oh my gosh, you need Does your 
little vacuum have Google eyes? 

918
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,200
It needs little Google eyes. 
No, it maybe it should and I 

919
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,760
would use it more often. 
I always forget to use it 

920
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,720
because I'm so used to not 
having it, you know. 

921
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,680
So I like wipe off all the 
erasers shavings from what I'm 

922
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,840
doing and I'm just like they're 
in the picture. 

923
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,640
I can get rid of it later, but I
should use it more often. 

924
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,200
I think that if I were to do 
something like that, I would 

925
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,680
probably want to find a pen or 
something that could be 

926
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,440
engraved. 
I was actually just thinking 

927
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,240
about that recently with the, 
the Tom studio, the Lumos, 

928
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,760
because I know you can get these
engraved like missed opportunity

929
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,760
when I bought mine because 
that's just not something that I

930
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,000
really think about. 
Because I think if I were to put

931
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,960
something in mind, I would want 
to have it to do with what I'm 

932
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,200
doing. 
So it just felt more natural 

933
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,800
than what I usually do. 
Well, not that I usually do. 

934
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,400
I sometimes do, which is the 
little like watermark or my name

935
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,640
on there somewhere. 
But I'll be honest with you, 

936
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,760
maybe it's because I haven't had
a lot of my stuff like stolen. 

937
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,600
I don't think people are looking
for my stuff online to reuse. 

938
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,720
They're like, this is not as 
cool as think it is, Mark. 

939
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,800
We do not want to reshare it, do
not worry. 

940
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,280
So maybe that's why I don't do 
it as much. 

941
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,640
I think it totally pays to 
having that set up though. 

942
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,200
Because otherwise what happens 
is that you end up sharing 

943
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,600
something that really like 
sparks off. 

944
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,880
Like people really want to share
that far and wide and then you 

945
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,600
don't have any credit to 
yourself in there. 

946
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,160
So they're taking that picture 
of yours, They're re sharing it.

947
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,000
It has no credit, no link back 
to you whatsoever. 

948
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,520
And then because like one person
shares it, then somebody else 

949
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,920
shares it and yadda yadda and 
now it's all over the Internet 

950
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,080
and people are recreating it. 
They're like, I found this on 

951
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,280
Pinterest. 
You're like, cool, so glad you 

952
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,120
liked the thing that I made. 
Can you tell this is from 

953
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,800
personal experience? 
Yeah, it's definitely one of 

954
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,920
those things that I think it has
to happen to you for you to be 

955
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,120
like, yeah, this is something 
that I need to worry about. 

956
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,880
Something else that we mentioned
that you can do if you are 

957
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,040
concerned about someone stealing
it. 

958
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,760
And this is something that I 
have only ever done for non 

959
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,640
bullet journal reasons, but is a
Google reverse image search. 

960
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,480
You want to talk about that one 
a little bit more for the 

961
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,840
planner piles? 
Yeah, so this one is super 

962
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,360
helpful, especially if you want 
to find and give credit to 

963
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,600
people, which is great. 
But if you're using it in terms 

964
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,320
of protecting yourself, it's 
effectively just taking pieces 

965
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,400
of work that you've shared 
online in particular, like 

966
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,680
static images, and using 
Google's reverse image search to

967
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,160
find other instances where 
that's been shared online. 

968
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,880
Now sometimes it brings up 
pictures that aren't actually 

969
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,240
the original, which probably 
just means that not a lot of 

970
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,560
people have shared it, which is 
a good thing. 

971
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
We don't want people to be 
sharing without giving credit, 

972
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,000
but sometimes you will come 
across a couple of instances 

973
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,040
where people have shared your 
work, so it is one tool that you

974
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,800
can use. 
As I said though, it can be 

975
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,320
really good for finding the 
original creator of things. 

976
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,400
So if you found a piece on 
Pinterest, just download the 

977
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,720
image, Chuck it through the 
Google reverse image search, and

978
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,080
oftentimes you'll be able to 
find the original creator, which

979
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,680
is really cool. 
Well, very much to the 

980
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,120
conversation we had earlier 
about that community and, you 

981
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,480
know, being representational of 
that community that you're in, 

982
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,200
do that extra work, it's 
definitely worth it. 

983
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,120
I think that you would expect 
someone to do that for you, 

984
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,880
right? 
If they're finding something, so

985
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,800
taking that extra time just to 
throw something inside of a 

986
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,280
reverse image search to like do 
your due diligence, like maybe 

987
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,760
you can't find it. 
You know, I I feel like a lot of

988
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,200
that. 
You only want to spend so much 

989
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,960
time on it. 
You're like, I will do a quick 

990
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,160
image search or a quick Google 
search, but I'm not going to go 

991
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,680
on this whole detective 
sleuthing adventure to repost 

992
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,360
something. 
I'll just find something else to

993
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,200
do. 
Like, you know, like that's what

994
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,400
I feel like you would kind of, I
don't know for myself that's 

995
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,400
where I would be inside of it. 
Or how do you feel about that? 

996
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,720
I guess when you're coming 
across that? 

997
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:30,320
Are you doing like pure due 
diligence, like lawfully doing 

998
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,560
it? 
I do try to. 

999
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,880
I I try my darndest to make sure
that I'm giving credit to the 

1000
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,160
original. 
And if I can't find credit to 

1001
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,920
the original, I'll usually state
that I couldn't find it. 

1002
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,440
But here's where I got to kind 
of a thing, because then the 

1003
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,000
other detectives on the Internet
can do the work for me. 

1004
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,400
They can tell me where to look 
because people love getting to 

1005
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,760
the bottom of a mystery. 
So often times if I do have a 

1006
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,960
where I I can't find the 
original creator. 

1007
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,640
I'll say I saw it here, but I 
don't think that's the original 

1008
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,720
or I saw it here, but I know 
that's not the original. 

1009
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,360
If you know who it is though, 
please do reach out and I will 

1010
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,840
update this caption or something
like that. 

1011
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,880
I've had that a couple of times 
before because I do very much 

1012
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,200
try. 
I'm like, you know, using my 

1013
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,800
Google reverse image search. 
I'm hunting through the 

1014
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,920
Pinterest chains of things and 
whatnot. 

1015
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,560
I think the worst one that I've 
seen, the one that irks me the 

1016
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,400
most probably, and it's probably
the most common, is when people 

1017
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,040
give credit to the Share 
Account. 

1018
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,400
They're like, Oh yeah, like a 
recreation of whoever, you know,

1019
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,000
it happens quite often. 
That one's always quite 

1020
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,080
upsetting. 
If you're the original creator 

1021
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,400
and seeing people give a whole 
bunch of credit to someone else,

1022
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,560
you're like, but I did that. 
I've definitely been in that 

1023
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,480
situation with the Sunday shares
where I will have found 

1024
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,560
something online that I really 
liked and I saved it. 

1025
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,240
That's just how I work. 
I believe in working while 

1026
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,240
you're scrolling, you know. 
They do the same thing with 

1027
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,400
reels, like with scrolling 
entertainment. 

1028
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,440
I'm like, oh, I like that sound,
save that for later. 

1029
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,080
But I do the same exact thing. 
And there have been a few times 

1030
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,760
on, like, I go back through it, 
I rewatch and re listen to 

1031
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,600
everything. 
I make like more than I actually

1032
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,200
should. 
And even my own stories. 

1033
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,760
I'm like, oh, let me go back and
see. 

1034
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,720
And then sometimes, like, oh 
crap, Mark, you reshared the 

1035
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:09,480
Share Account you didn't take 
the time to go through. 

1036
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,560
And then I'll take it down and 
then research it again and find 

1037
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,240
the right person because it it 
can go pretty deep. 

1038
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:19,800
Like it's really bad when like 
the reshare is resharing from a 

1039
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,200
another re Share Account. 
You know, they're just literally

1040
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,960
pulling all these interesting 
things off the Internet and 

1041
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,920
you're like, I can't even find 
the original creator because 

1042
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,000
nobody is trying to give them 
credit for anything and everyone

1043
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,240
is trying to take credit for 
this really amazing piece that 

1044
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,520
they've worked on. 
It's it's a vicious cycle. 

1045
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,960
So I think the best thing that 
we can do as a planner community

1046
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,400
is try to break it where you 
can. 

1047
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,920
I feel like you're doing a a 
really good job of that, Jess. 

1048
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,240
Why Thank you. 
One of the things I do try and 

1049
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,240
do anytime I find something that
has been shared by a Share 

1050
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:52,040
Account, especially if I'm going
to save it for my own 

1051
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,960
inspiration for later, I will in
the there and now. 

1052
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,080
Then I will go and make sure I 
try and find the original 

1053
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,920
because oftentimes when I come 
back to it later, too many 

1054
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,840
spoons, I don't want to do it or
I just forget to do it. 

1055
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,000
If you're following a shared 
account that has shared a 

1056
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,480
picture that you really like the
look of, just check in the 

1057
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,080
caption, go to the original 
creator and then save their 

1058
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,120
original work instead. 
Because it means that when you 

1059
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,720
come to use that as inspiration,
you can give credit a lot 

1060
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,240
easier. 
You're doing future you a 

1061
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:19,800
favour. 
We love that. 

1062
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,040
We absolutely do. 
So if you have anything that you

1063
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,560
have used for yourself, planner 
pals, either as a way to protect

1064
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,680
yourself or if you've come 
across the situation, definitely

1065
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,480
let us know. 
You know, Reach out to us in the

1066
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,400
comments or e-mail us as well. 
You can always do that. 

1067
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,200
We'd love to hear those stories,
too. 

1068
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,880
Through this conversation, we're
not trying to call anybody out 

1069
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,160
unless you're a brand who stole 
somebody's artwork. 

1070
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,480
But oftentimes, especially if 
we're just starting out in a 

1071
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,120
community when we're kind of 
finding our feet, you will 

1072
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,840
stumble into these mistakes 
without realizing you're doing 

1073
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,520
it. 
So please, we do not think that 

1074
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,840
we're trying to like, come out 
with our what, pitchfork and 

1075
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,880
torch and stuff and set your 
house on fire. 

1076
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,320
That's not the aim here. 
We just want to make sure that 

1077
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,200
people are doing their 
diligence, you know, finding out

1078
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,760
who the original creators of 
things are, giving credit, where

1079
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,720
credit is due. 
Because I think the big thing to

1080
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,800
take from this is like, just 
because it's a recreation or 

1081
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,920
inspired by does not lessen the 
effort that you've done on it, 

1082
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,960
All right? 
Even the person who's watching 

1083
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,880
through Mr. Beast's video and 
taking, like, you know, screen 

1084
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,400
by screen grabs and trying to 
figure out what they're doing, 

1085
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,880
that's a lot of effort. 
We're not going to do that, all 

1086
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,240
right? 
We're not trying to diminish 

1087
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,240
your efforts here. 
So if you're recreating 

1088
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:26,920
something from someone else, if 
you're, you know, taking 

1089
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,520
inspiration from it and putting 
that stuff in your own planet, 

1090
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,520
it is not going to detract from 
the effort you put in. 

1091
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,440
But if you give credit to the 
person who originally did it or 

1092
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,840
the person that you saw it from,
you're helping to build that 

1093
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,280
community up. 
And at the end of the day, like,

1094
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,840
things are better with friends. 
Yeah, they absolutely are. 

1095
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,800
That's what Planner Palace is 
all about, right? 

1096
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,120
Talking about fun stuff and 
having fun with our Planner 

1097
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,160
French. 
You can't beat it. 

1098
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,680
So in our next episode though, I
know Mark is very excited about 

1099
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,080
that. 
Mark, you want to tell us what 

1100
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,040
we're going to be doing? 
Yes, so this is one of the ideas

1101
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,240
that I jotted down when Jess and
I first agreed. 

1102
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,280
Well, when Jess agreed to do 
this podcast along with me and 

1103
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,920
her amazing organizational stuff
was like, well, let's write down

1104
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,640
a bunch of ideas and stuff we 
want to talk about. 

1105
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Meanwhile, I'm like, oh, not 
flying by the seat of wear pants

1106
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,920
like my last one. 
I wrote down this idea of a 

1107
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,880
stationary version of never have
I ever. 

1108
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,800
So if you've ever played never 
have I ever. 

1109
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,520
It's usually a drinking game. 
You're usually like with your 

1110
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,440
pals and you're hanging out and 
you're sharing these deep, dark 

1111
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,080
secrets of like, never have I 
ever done XY and Z. 

1112
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,000
And then, you know, you take a 
shot if you have done it as a 

1113
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,120
way of saying like, yeah, but I 
did it without being, like, 

1114
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,680
telling your whole story. 
I thought that we could do a 

1115
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,920
stationary version of this, but 
we need our planner pals to help

1116
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us out here. 
So what we want to do is get 

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never have I ever scenarios from
you that we will then include 

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inside of next episode. 
So here's an example of a never 

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have I ever. 
And then Jess and I will show 

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you an example of what that 
looks like. 

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All right, So never have I ever 
thrown away a pen before it ran 

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out of ink. 
What may never. 

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So I definitely have done that. 
Yeah, pop over that big one. 

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You got there. 
Take a big long sip of that. 

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Or if you don't want to take a 
sip of your water or whatever 

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you're drinking, you could just 
tick down inside of your journal

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or a piece of paper, like, Yep, 
I did that. 

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And what we want to do is that 
by the end of that episode, 

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we're going to go ahead and 
tally up how many times you have

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done that thing. 
So go ahead and comment, if 

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you're watching this on YouTube,
drop it in the comments. 

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Let us know what your never have
I ever is. 

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You can also e-mail us at 
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com. 

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You can also drop a comment on 
our Never have I ever post over 

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on Instagram. 
Planner Pals podcast is where 

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you can find us there. 
We'll collect all of those. 

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We'll pick out the absolute best
and we'll have a Never Have I 

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ever episode on our next one. 
So I'm so excited about this 

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one. 
I I know we're going to get some

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good ones and have some 
fantastic stories to share along

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with this too. 
And I absolutely can't wait. 

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I'm going to bring my water. 
I'm going to be hydrated as 

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heck, right? 
You know, it doesn't have to be 

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a drinking drinking game because
hydration is important, but we 

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would love it if you played 
along with us very much. 

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Looking forward to seeing what 
people have to say. 

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But until our next episode, 
thank you Planet Pals for 

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watching and we will see you in 
the next one.