1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 Hey there, and welcome to the Planner Palace Podcast, a 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,760 podcast hosted by two true Planner Palace. 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,440 My name is Mark. Mark your pages. 4 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:09,400 And I am Jess or Jessie, Karen. And in today's episode, we're 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,840 gonna be considering guys in the planner community. 6 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:14,920 But cutting that straight off before we get into it, I feel 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,400 like the congratulations are in order. 8 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,800 Mark, do you wanna tell us about the exciting news? 9 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:22,880 Yeah. So at this point, my notebook 10 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,960 that I collaborated with Archer and Olive with was a part of 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,960 their professional line that just came out this past Friday. 12 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,800 So I made a notebook with Archer and Olive. 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,880 Pretty damn cool. Oh my gosh, people are so 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,320 excited. And I know that they're very 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,200 excited about the page numbers in particular. 16 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,360 We had a whole bunch of people in my community, we have like a 17 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,280 little kind of sneak peeks channel where people put 18 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,480 spoilers and stuff and all of them were like, Oh my God, the 19 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,440 page numbers. Mark did it for us. 20 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,560 It's coming, so. I've been complaining about page 21 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,960 numbers, Archer and I love notebooks since the dawn of 22 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,680 time. It's finally happened. 23 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,720 Yeah. It was one of those things 24 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,680 where, you know, they approached me about it and at first I 25 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,960 thought they were just going to ask for my feedback, which we 26 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,800 all know I've given plenty of feedback, probably more feedback 27 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,520 than they definitely wanted. And, you know, last year I 28 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,520 wasn't a super big fan necessarily of it because to me, 29 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,120 professional is people using this in their in their jobs. 30 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,200 And I just didn't feel like anything was there to like, 31 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,480 really help do that. And I shared all this feedback, 32 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,960 and then they approached me all the way back in January. 33 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,880 It's crazy how far in advance stuff gets planned before it 34 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,680 actually comes out. And this was actually like a 35 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,000 rush job. They were like, we got to do 36 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,360 this quick. And I was like, wait, what do 37 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,320 you mean how quick? They're like, well, if we want 38 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:36,240 this journal to come out in July, then we need to have it 39 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,520 done by, like, March. And I was like, you need that 40 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,040 much in advance. They're like, we're actually 41 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,880 cutting it tight. So yeah, I had a really great 42 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,440 opportunity to not only design the cover of the notebook, which 43 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,280 I absolutely love. I think it turned out really 44 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,680 nicely, but also add some features to the Arch and Olive 45 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,640 journals that I felt were necessary. 46 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,120 So we added a dedicated like signifiers page in there. 47 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,360 We got the page numbers. Thank goodness that finally 48 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,640 happened. And then we also did some smart 49 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,040 marks essentially are just kind of quick lines that are really 50 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,720 icons that help you break your page into thirds or halves. 51 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,280 Other notebooks do it. It's not like a brand new idea 52 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,600 out there, but I definitely wanted to find some cool 53 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,200 functional things to do so really proud of it. 54 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,640 I, I was telling you right before we got started, my, my 55 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,400 entire desk is filled with the notebooks. 56 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,200 But, but, but yeah, here's, here's the notebook. 57 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,720 So it's one of them that come in three sizes because they told me 58 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,880 that my notebook was a very expensive one to make because of 59 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,120 the printing that has to be done for like the Marks and like the 60 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,800 page numbers and all of that. So we had to cut some, cut some 61 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,440 pieces. So we didn't do a full line of 62 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,800 all the sizes, which I think was fine. 63 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,400 Anyway, I think a professional notebook probably falls inside 64 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,200 the realm of a 5B5 square. I know a lot of people are 65 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,240 talking about. I always don't know if I'm the 66 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,760 right size B6, right? That's like a little bit smaller 67 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,920 than A5. And like everyone was like, are 68 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:59,840 we getting a B61? I was like I never used a B6 69 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,360 notebook but I think it's becoming a popular size. 70 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,680 Like Basics are so great. I love how compact they are. 71 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,000 They're very, very transportable. 72 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,000 They're also just kind of cute. Like that's why I like them 73 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,120 because they're cute. I've used them a couple of times 74 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,040 before. I do very much enjoy them, but I 75 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,880 am you do do have to really kind of consider how you're using 76 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,000 your space when you go from an A5, which is my typical size, to 77 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,320 A Basics because it's mainly the width that caught me out a lot 78 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,960 of the time because I'm very used to doing like 2 columns of 79 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,440 text. Whereas in a Basics that was 80 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,040 kind of hard to do. But it is a very fun size, very 81 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,800 compact, portable. So shame we didn't get it this 82 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,920 time, but maybe in future. Yeah, we'll see what happens. 83 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,000 So yeah, I really appreciate. It's been really cool, super 84 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,840 supportive. It kind of goes along with 85 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,240 today's topic and talking about how you know, guys in the 86 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,560 planner community. It's something that is a part of 87 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,760 a reason of why I even started posting on Instagram and and 88 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,520 YouTube as well was because when I started getting started with 89 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,520 bullet journaling and I've talked about this in one of our 90 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,760 first episodes, I wasn't seeing a lot of other guys posting or 91 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,800 in the community. There was a handful of them and 92 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,360 we'll talk about in today's overall topic of like who were 93 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,280 the first, you know, kind of for me, really inspired me in there, 94 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,200 but I wanted to be that inspiration for others and I 95 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,560 think I've achieved that. You know, I think that partnered 96 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,839 along with Archer and Olive is a really big deal. 97 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,160 I don't know if any other guys have done that before. 98 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,040 I don't think so. So it's pretty awesome from that 99 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,760 standpoint. And also just overtime just kind 100 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,720 of coming up in this community itself and people knowing who I 101 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,320 am, you know, early on the men who bullet days have passed us. 102 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,400 But that was a really big time of just trying to have establish 103 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,480 myself. I'm a guy in this community. 104 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,200 But then quickly realizing, or not quickly. 105 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,560 I mean, how long did I talk to you about changing the name? 106 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,080 Many moons. Many moons. 107 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,880 But it's that, you know, you don't have to necessarily be I 108 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,600 didn't need to be that outward and say just oh, men who bullet 109 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,520 because I think it turned a lot of people off. 110 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,280 Maybe not as many people as I thought. 111 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:57,680 Maybe it did, but who the hell knows. 112 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,200 But it was it was a big change and shifting from, you know, men 113 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,400 who bullet to mark your pages and now it's, you know, feel a 114 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,960 little bit more inclusive. But I think that's probably a 115 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,480 really big reason why we don't see a lot of guys in the 116 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,960 community necessarily. But there are some Ogs, There's 117 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,200 definitely some stars out there that that are a part of this 118 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,440 community, which I think are great and should be celebrated. 119 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,960 Yeah, I think that, like, obviously shout outs have to go 120 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,720 to the original guy in the bullet journal community, the 121 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,760 creator himself, Mr. Writer Carroll. 122 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,520 Like it would feel really odd to have an episode about guys in 123 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,440 the planet community without talking about the bullet journal 124 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,160 guy. Yeah, it's, it's just what I was 125 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,760 putting together my list of some of my favorite accounts. 126 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,080 And the list is actually pretty long for myself. 127 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,320 I know I was like, Jess, who are yours? 128 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,280 You're like, I don't know if I have a whole lot. 129 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,440 I was like, how dare you? But he was kind of top of the 130 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,960 list. And I was like, is it too on the 131 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,880 nose to start with Ryder Carroll? 132 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,640 Or should we, you know, start with someone else? 133 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,520 So I just put him a little bit further down on my list. 134 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,200 But you're right, he's kind of the guy, especially around 135 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,640 bullet journaling and getting us all pumped and hyped about this 136 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,720 method. But I think a really big part of 137 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,800 that too is that even though it was created by a guy, I think 138 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,440 the community as a whole has definitely been carried by a 139 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,560 more female audience than than a male audience. 140 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,280 Not that in the long run it shouldn't really matter, but it 141 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:18,160 kind of does when you look at demographics. 142 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,360 Yeah, I think that if you kind of go to Google, go to 143 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,360 Instagram, Pinterest, wherever and search Bullet Journal, the 144 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,720 stuff that's going to come up first are going to be primarily 145 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,520 made by female creators. And I think that kind of shows 146 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,000 in what people perceive bullet journaling as if they haven't 147 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,240 really researched or gone into it very much. 148 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,000 I do wonder if possibly we don't see as many guys in the plan of 149 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,560 space because they have maybe, you know, no shade to them, not 150 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,080 saying that this is a them problem at all, but maybe 151 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,040 they've kind of like, you know, come across the term bullet 152 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,600 journal. But the stuff that's come up is 153 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,560 not really appealed to them because it is kind of like more 154 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,080 so targeting maybe a different demographic or something. 155 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,760 Yeah, I mean, when I started bullet journaling as a whole, as 156 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,920 a 2017 and I think is the year that I started, you know, just 157 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,800 starting to type in Bullet Journal to understand what it 158 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:05,840 is. You're right. 159 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,560 There were so many accounts that just came up first, some of the 160 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,520 big superstars that we've talked about in past episodes as well. 161 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,520 It's great from a standpoint of starting to understand what it 162 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,280 is, but I think that by that time it really had taken a life 163 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,800 of its own. It wasn't that core how to 164 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,840 bullet journal, but more of that creative planning space that I 165 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,880 was seeing in the upfront. But I'm still super thankful for 166 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,960 it because I feel like it gave me that kick start, but I myself 167 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,680 had educate myself before I could like start doing those 168 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,880 other things. I know that we've talked about 169 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,840 this before too, about like bullet journaling and this 170 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,240 creative journaling space. So there was this riff for a 171 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,880 long time, which I do feel like has settled down a lot. 172 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,360 But if it wasn't for those creators putting out that 173 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,080 content, who knows if bullet journaling itself would have 174 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,960 become as big as it is slash was. 175 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,880 I know it's kind of gone down in the trends in the past few 176 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,800 years, but you have to give props to those who were creating 177 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,320 and doing and talking about it because I think that's also what 178 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,720 got the word out. Yeah, I would very much agree 179 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,600 with that. Like I don't think that bullet 180 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,880 journaling would have gotten as big as it has or did if we 181 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,360 didn't have the more I'm going to say Pinterest able kind of a 182 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,560 thing because you know, when you share things on Pinterest, 183 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,160 usually there's some kind of like very it's like very heavy 184 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,960 visual elements in that same idea with Instagram and to a 185 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,520 lesser extent YouTube and stuff. But if we had of just had people 186 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,280 sharing the Ryder Cara original type deal, I don't think that 187 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,880 people would have kind of latched onto it as much. 188 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,080 So there are good things to be said about the the sharing of 189 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,559 aesthetic bullet journal content or more creative journaling 190 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,480 content under the label of bullet journal. 191 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,760 But I do think that that has had some ramifications around how 192 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,800 people kind of perceive it. What people think bullet 193 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,800 journaling is, they weren't necessarily, I don't know, 194 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,600 foreseen, I suppose. Yeah, I think the big term that 195 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,480 was really big and I still look for it often is minimalist 196 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,640 bullet journaling or minimal bujo is terms or hashtags that 197 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,200 you can search. And that's where I really fell 198 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,000 in love with a lot of those layouts because it really is 199 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,200 just a pen and their bullet journal and beautiful 200 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,880 handwriting, you know, all of the things that we love to see, 201 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,720 basically lines, you know, maybe some geometric shapes or 202 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,560 something like that. But for the most part, very 203 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,080 straightforward. And that is one of the things 204 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,840 that really got me excited because a lot of that creative 205 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,080 bullet journaling that I was seeing and trying to mimic 206 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,840 because I thought I had to do that for it to be a bullet 207 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,000 journal just wasn't in love with that as much. 208 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,440 And finding more of the minimalist side of the bullet 209 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,880 journal community for me was a huge inspiration because I think 210 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,200 that was more where I was focusing at that time. 211 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,040 I found a love for stationary and stamps and some stickers and 212 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,240 stuff like that. More like planner focused one or 213 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,240 my aesthetic, you know, and finding those. 214 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,880 I just wasn't seeing that at first. 215 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,360 It took a lot of research and digging to find something that I 216 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,800 liked over the years, but I think that was a really big help 217 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,240 for me personally. And there weren't a lot of guys 218 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,000 doing that. That's The thing is that there's 219 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,680 a lot of females that were doing more minimalist approaches that 220 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:10,280 I really liked. And that was a big moment for me 221 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,400 pretty early on after I started my account. 222 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,680 Because when I first started my bullet journal and my account 223 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:19,520 under Men Who Bullet, the whole idea for me in the upfront was 224 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,400 going to be to promote other guys that were in the community 225 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,680 and share their content, share my content and help inspire. 226 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:29,840 But you quickly realize that there were three or four guys 227 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,760 maybe that were in the community at the time that were in that 228 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:33,880 space. And I was like, well, I can't 229 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,160 share a whole lot of that content. 230 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,560 And I was also finding all of these other amazing bullet 231 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,400 journal accounts that weren't male and I was like, but this 232 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,240 stuff is amazing too. And I actually quickly changed 233 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,520 just my story or bio or whatever one from like sharing and 234 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,640 promoting men in the community to just sharing and promoting 235 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,120 other creators in the community. Because you realize, like it's 236 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,040 not so much the person behind the account that doesn't matter. 237 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,000 It's all about kind of what you're seeing and what you like. 238 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,720 And that for me was a really big deal. 239 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,120 But because it was such a small demographic, I still really do 240 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,680 like to promote other guys in this community because we are a 241 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:14,680 small little demographic. We talk about analytics a lot, 242 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:17,520 you and I specifically Instagram and a lot on YouTube about it. 243 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,480 And I was just looking right before this episode at mine, I 244 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,600 was like, how is my, you know, mark your pages account looking 245 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,400 and it's I, I want to know what yours is because mine is always 246 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,520 a lot higher. So like mine right now is at 247 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,600 like 25% male versus female, which I know for a lot of people 248 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,320 is like that never kind of happens. 249 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,560 I know that's like a really big thing for me. 250 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,400 I was curious, what's your percentage? 251 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:44,680 Yeah, from the last 28 days I have 89.2% female, 10 percent, 252 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,800 10% yeah, 10.3% male and then .5% users specified. 253 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,520 But I think that's just a part of it. 254 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,560 I'm glad that people like to find other guys in the 255 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:55,360 community. A number of people have reached 256 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,680 out to me, especially with releasing this notebook too, 257 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,880 that it's been really cool. They're like, Mark, just wanted 258 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,080 to let you know, like this is awesome. 259 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,960 I'm so happy for you. Like I don't post, I do bullet 260 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,720 journal. You inspired me or other people 261 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,960 have inspired me, but I just don't post my stuff online. 262 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,400 I just want to let you know, like I appreciate you and this 263 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,880 is awesome and stuff like that. So I think there's also a lot of 264 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,120 guys obviously that are bullet journaling. 265 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,960 It's not just male or female with bullet journaling. 266 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,120 They just don't create accounts and don't want to share 267 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,000 necessarily. I know that was kind of our 268 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,560 first question. I'm curious from your 269 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,240 perspective on what you think why we don't see a lot of guys 270 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,680 posting or in the journal community? 271 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:33,680 Because this is a question I always get asked in any type of 272 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,160 interview I've ever done. Like why don't we see a lot of 273 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,120 journals from guys? So I have kind of a whole slew 274 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,360 of things. And I'm curious from your 275 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,480 perspective why you feel like we don't see as many guys in the 276 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,240 community? Yeah, I know that on our last 277 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,560 episode where we kind of floated the idea that we were going to 278 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:52,400 do this one today, a couple of people reached out and commented 279 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,560 saying like, Oh yeah, I'm a guy. I bullet journal. 280 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,440 I just don't share because I don't think mine's like worth 281 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,120 sharing. And I was like, it breaks my 282 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,360 heart. But they said like, you know, 283 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:01,880 oh, it's, you know, it's not very pretty. 284 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,440 It's just like, you know, pens, some highlighters and stuff like 285 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,280 that. I'm like, no, that is valuable. 286 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,800 We want that, right? We want people to have these 287 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,040 different options to look at and stuff so they can find their 288 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,480 style. So I feel like that's a reason, 289 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,680 even though it's a reason that makes me very sad. 290 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,080 I think that possibly maybe another one would just be like, 291 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,920 I'm not going to say like not feeling welcome in the community 292 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,040 because I very much hope that that is not the case. 293 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,840 But like because they don't feel like their journal looks like 294 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,200 the the common journal that you see online and stuff. 295 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,280 They just feel like, oh, well, I can't add mine in because I'm 296 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,680 not going to be accepted through that. 297 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,240 And it might not necessarily be a conscious thought either. 298 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,480 It might just be like a very subconscious one of like a, 299 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,040 what's the point in sharing this? 300 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,440 Because I'm not going to like fit in. 301 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,600 Even though that's not necessarily the like narrative 302 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,840 they're telling themselves. Possibly there are some thoughts 303 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,440 around that, which is kind of sad to think about because 304 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,880 again, I like that our community is diverse. 305 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,280 I like when people share things that aren't the usual. 306 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:03,280 It's you know, we talked a little while ago about your 307 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,560 track is that people have that. It's just like, oh, it's an 308 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:08,440 interesting thing to share online, but also like by sharing 309 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,440 them online, it means that somebody who might need that has 310 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,680 inspiration. So it would be, it would be 311 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:16,240 nicer to see people in different walks of life sharing their 312 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,320 journals, even if they don't feel like there is value in it, 313 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,520 because I feel like there is, even if it's not like, you know, 314 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,320 upfront immediate value. But I agree with you completely 315 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,200 there. There's a ton of value, even if 316 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:27,480 it's more on the minimalist side. 317 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,240 I think there's a lot of power in being able to keep a bullet 318 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,360 journal or journaling all together about using a pen and 319 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,560 maybe a highlighter. I think that actually adds a lot 320 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,800 of cool creativity to it because you have to think about how you 321 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,320 would essentially use those two tools instead of having, you 322 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,560 know, hundreds of pens and everything else to pick from, 323 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,000 which sometimes is even harder because you're like, well, I 324 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,120 have seven different pens that I could do this with or markers, 325 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,680 which do I choose? And then you can't pick. 326 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,000 But I think that seeing that would be super helpful. 327 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,720 Some of my favorite guy accounts that some of them aren't even 328 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,040 around anymore were very basic from a standpoint of how they 329 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,800 approached it. And it wasn't even just like, 330 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,720 oh, here are my notes, here are my tasks. 331 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,160 It was just small pages and things that they were setting up 332 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,600 for themselves. It was even simple trackers to 333 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,240 be like, here's what happened this week. 334 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,080 It was just ways for them to jot down or memory keep in a in a 335 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,720 very minimalist kind of way. And I've always really 336 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,640 appreciated that and seeing that too. 337 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,720 I mean, getting this question all the time for myself and and 338 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,440 speaking from that side of the tracks essentially is, you know, 339 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,600 when you first start, at least in my experience, it is a little 340 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,440 overwhelming because you're not seeing other people in the 341 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,080 community that are kind of who you are or kind of see yourself 342 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,160 in. And so it's like, well, maybe 343 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,800 this isn't the space for me, Like if I'm not a female posting 344 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,120 these beautiful pages, then this isn't really what's it, what's 345 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,080 it going to be worth for me to do that? 346 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,760 But I think that when you're like, well, I have something 347 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,560 different and I want to share that. 348 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,720 I think there's also a general, I don't want to say like a 349 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,640 misperception. I think it's kind of, I don't 350 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,480 know the right word for it, but I just did a review. 351 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,240 Baron Fig just put out a Men's Journal. 352 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,200 The mind journal is another one that's kind of more geared 353 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,840 towards men. And their whole reason behind 354 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,640 this is because guys are not used to kind of expressing that 355 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,400 emotion or being as public about it. 356 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,920 It's always been something that like guys don't have those 357 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,680 emotions or you shouldn't have those emotions or we you have 358 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,320 them, but you don't share them. I've personally never 359 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,400 experienced that. It was never boys don't cry 360 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,560 mentality in my household at all. 361 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,760 But maybe others have and they're like, yeah, well, I'm 362 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,720 not going to share my struggles online because that would make 363 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,480 me look weak. I was thinking about that too as 364 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,120 one of the points like possibly like the kind of openness 365 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,680 vulnerability that comes with sharing your kind of stuff like 366 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,800 this online. Because if you're doing bullet 367 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,520 journaling correctly, quote, quote, quote, then you have 368 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,040 thoughts and feelings and stuff like that in there as well as 369 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,880 your task notes and all of that kind of stuff. 370 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,680 Maybe it's just kind of like, oh, if I share this, then I open 371 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,359 myself up to be thought of as like less of as a man, even 372 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,000 though that's like not actually how a lot of us would perceive 373 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,280 you at all. But possibly there's some kind 374 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,720 of like reservations around that or like, you know, fear in being 375 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,920 open and sharing in that. Yeah, and a lot of it too is 376 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,040 just trying to think about how to journal. 377 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,880 And I think that's also a really kind of misleading thing. 378 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,800 I know that a lot of these men's journals are men focused 379 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,200 journals are like, oh, we'll give you prompts and we'll help 380 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,880 you because you don't know what to write or how to get started. 381 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:31,760 But I think that's just generally everyone. 382 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,840 It's if you're not a type of person that likes long form 383 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,880 journaling or knows about it or prompts or things like that, 384 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,680 it's hard for everyone. But I think it is a way to kind 385 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,120 of niche in a little bit, especially with journals and 386 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:46,000 say, OK, here is a more minimalist looking journal. 387 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,600 There's not a lot of florals and things all over this. 388 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,600 It's kind of very kind of bare, but beautiful as how, you know, 389 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,920 we're like very sophisticated kind of look. 390 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,800 And I appreciate that. I mean, a big part of my journal 391 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,040 and why I created it the way I did with Archer and Olive is 392 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,520 because I complain a lot about it. 393 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,800 But you know, I don't want to walk around with an overly 394 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,480 fluorescent floral kind of feminine journal. 395 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,200 Just just not my Forte. It's not something that I like. 396 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,400 It's not how I want to outwardly express myself at work or 397 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,200 anywhere else like that. And everyone else just has their 398 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,680 aesthetic. And that's the thing too, is 399 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,400 that there are guys though in this community that absolutely 400 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,080 love that very opposite. I think of what you think where 401 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,040 they are, you know, using stickers and bows and glitter 402 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,040 and kind of all these things inside over their journal. 403 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,080 I even know for myself sometimes I'm like taken aback by it at 404 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,880 first because I was like, oh, I'm not used to seeing guys 405 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,760 posting this type of content, but you're like, this is 406 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,160 actually kind of cool because I see this in the other spaces so 407 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,960 much. And I, I think really just kind 408 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,120 of finding what works for you is important. 409 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,640 And I think when it comes to guys posting, it's just like, 410 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,920 oh, I haven't either found something that works for me or 411 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,240 kind of what's been shared a lot. 412 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,240 I hear that all the time too. I don't share it because mine's 413 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 just not interesting. But I've heard that from, from 414 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,720 all people, but a lot of guys specifically because they're 415 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,880 like, hey, I think I want to start an account. 416 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,200 How do I do that? To start it, man, that's just 417 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,480 how you do it. Yeah, I think that like you 418 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,360 said, it's it's not necessarily that all guys don't like 419 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,080 decoration or if if the, you know, the type of decoration out 420 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,720 there doesn't necessarily speak to men in general, because there 421 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,840 are guys who like the type of decoration that are out there 422 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,360 and they're using it. Good for them. 423 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,520 Props to them. But I do think it would be nice 424 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,320 to see a wider variety in the types of decoration that are 425 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,680 celebrated as a way to maybe incentivize guys to get on 426 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,760 board. I know that one of the one of 427 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,920 the ones that comes to mind and not a male creator, but still. 428 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,800 Julia, Julia here. Previously, Julia Royal did an 429 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,000 amazing monthly setup that was like squid tentacle inspired and 430 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,600 it was one of the coolest things I have ever seen. 431 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,280 And it was it was highly decorated, but it wasn't your 432 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,760 typical like floral pastel soft aesthetic type deal. 433 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,920 I, you know, the stuff that is often, you know, gets more 434 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,480 views, gets more hits, gets more likes kind of a thing. 435 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,400 You know, there are different ways of doing decoration rather 436 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,120 than just what is, you know, typically celebrated, I suppose. 437 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,240 And so it would be nice to see more of those be in our 438 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,080 community, the ones that aren't as stereotypically feminine. 439 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,520 You know, there's gonna be a lot of just, like, stereotypical 440 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,240 statements being thrown around in this episode. 441 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,240 Just know that we're all fitting in the zone of grey. 442 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,800 We're not actually going black and white. 443 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,920 This is a boy's toy. You're not allowed to use that 444 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:25,600 journal. No. 445 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,520 OK. But for the sake of the 446 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,880 conversation, I do think that it would be nice to have a bit more 447 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,040 of a kind of like, masculine but decorative kind of aesthetic out 448 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,720 there in the journaling and planning space in particular. 449 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,280 So the guys that do like decorative things but don't like 450 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,160 florals have options? Yeah, and that was we had this 451 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,200 further down on the list, but I want to kind of bring it up now 452 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,040 because I think it makes sense before we start talking about 453 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,000 some of our other male creators. I've got a whole list of all my 454 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,960 favorites, but we talked about what do we feel like the 455 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:01,080 difference is between a male's bullet journal versus female. 456 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,360 And you kind of hit it right on the nose when you just made that 457 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:08,200 comment because I think there is an unconscious bias to what is 458 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,040 male or masculine and what is female or feminine, right? 459 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,000 Because for me, like two of the biggest accounts that inspired 460 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,640 me from the very start. So we have Victoria from my ink 461 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,520 project. Her work is freaking amazing. 462 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,360 I've loved looking at her stuff because it is really just pen 463 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:29,080 and paper. It's black ink and paper and I 464 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,480 love that. And same thing with Stena from 465 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,760 Supermassive Black Ink. She's another one from the very 466 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,280 Gecko. As soon as I started my account, 467 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,360 I want to say she's probably one of the first five people that I 468 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,880 follow or that I saw because I was like, oh, wait a second. 469 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,160 I really like the way that this looks and hers is the same way. 470 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,280 I don't think I've ever seen her use color in her journal. 471 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,680 It's always been different weights of black Micron pens or 472 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,640 whatever else is she's using and her journal. 473 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,840 And I'm always just, I, I just love that there's a beauty in 474 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,520 that. And I think also a lot of guys 475 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,560 tend to gravitate towards that because if you're not a big fan 476 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,360 of color, even though I have a lot of things that are colorful 477 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,880 or have color in them, I always tend to lean a little bit more 478 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,920 in towards the black, blue, Gray. 479 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,240 Now I'm starting to fool with greens. 480 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,640 I'm getting real wild over over here, but I just like that kind 481 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,800 of space. But you don't see me using 482 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,640 purple and pinks and things like that usually because that's just 483 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,760 not what my favorite colors and not what I'm using or dressing 484 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,360 or even wearing. So I think a lot of that kind of 485 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:32,200 goes through where you're like, well, if I'm going to buy this 486 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,880 whole pen set, well, I may only use three colors out of here. 487 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,840 What am I doing with these others? 488 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,920 Meanwhile, on the other hand, when Vogel was, you know, 489 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,120 talking to me about making his journal, he had one theme in 490 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,480 particular that he wanted me to do. 491 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,280 He's like, I don't really care what you do for any other month, 492 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,720 but for October, could you please do me a mean girl's name? 493 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,400 So it was hot pink, you know, like burn book aesthetic with 494 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,440 the little scribbles and the lightly letters. 495 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,560 I'm pretty sure that the quote was Boo you whore because he's 496 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,600 like, I like that one. It's my favorite. 497 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,440 Yeah, it's the best one. I mean, from Vocal's 498 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,640 perspective, having a journal, I know he has you creating it or 499 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,160 designing it for him, content as content, right? 500 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,400 Versus him having his own channel. 501 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,800 I mean, what's why doesn't he have his own channel? 502 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,000 Have you ever or chatted with him about like, hey, why aren't 503 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,800 you sharing or why aren't you creating your own? 504 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,680 Is he just not interested in the creative side of it, but more in 505 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,040 the productive side of using it? Yeah, I think that in terms of 506 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,800 YouTube specifically for him and and making a channel, he did 507 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,600 previously dabble with having one. 508 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,200 So it was mainly focused around games, gaming and then kind of 509 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,520 veered into movies because that was more what he wanted to kind 510 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,280 of like talk about. I suppose. 511 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,440 Like he doesn't dislike using his journal, but it's not his 512 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,200 passion point. He doesn't want to, like, get on 513 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,760 the Internet and like, say, you know, this is the five different 514 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,200 things I put in my weekly setup. And by that I mean, this is the 515 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,200 five different things Jess puts in my weekly setup. 516 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,040 But yeah, his use of his journal also isn't super consistent 517 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,400 either. Like, we set it up. 518 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,160 He has the space there to write in it. 519 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,600 And he does use it in kind of like, I know it's like a cyclic 520 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,400 kind of thing. Like, you know, he'll have 521 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,080 pockets where he uses it quite a lot, writes a lot of stuff down. 522 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720 And then the very next week, crickets, Baron, wasteland, 523 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,120 tumbleweed. So I just don't think that it's 524 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,600 necessarily something that he wants to share because there are 525 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,760 other passion points that he has that he wants to share. 526 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,160 And I think we got that on our last episode as well because 527 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,080 somebody mentioned like, Oh yeah, I am. 528 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,680 I do bullet journaling. I am a planner kind of a thing, 529 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,000 and I have a channel, but it's related to pipes. 530 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,040 I think it's something completely different, like a 531 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,720 different area of interest. So maybe it's just that we have 532 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,320 our guy planners out there lurking, hiding in the shadows, 533 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:35,680 you know, doing whatever they're doing. 534 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,600 And they do share things online, but it's not necessarily related 535 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,440 to planning. Yeah, and there's a lot of 536 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,480 people too that I've seen their Instagrams flip where they were 537 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,040 posting a lot of content, journal content, but they've 538 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,640 changed. And there's also just other 539 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,840 people, not just guys that are doing that as well. 540 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,400 I think anyone that maybe bullet journaled through a certain part 541 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,040 of their life through school, whatever that might be, and that 542 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,240 is in a new phase or kind of a new chapter of their life and 543 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,080 they've just moved on from that, right? 544 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,920 It's not that they don't exist anymore. 545 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,760 They're just posting things more about their day-to-day than they 546 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,560 are necessarily the journals. And so that's another thing too, 547 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,960 where even for myself, if I'm going to follow them, like 548 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,760 that's the type of content I want to see though. 549 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,240 I want to see bullet journal content because that's why I'm 550 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,960 there. So there are numbers that have 551 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,000 kind of fallen off and just don't do it anymore or don't 552 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440 post about it anymore. I wonder about that as well 553 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,640 because, you know, we talk about this idea of, you know, people 554 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,920 bullet journaling through their studies and stuff like that. 555 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,920 So isn't just that the male creators that we are like 556 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,960 wanting to or expecting to see or something? 557 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,280 I'm thinking about professionals specifically like male 558 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,480 professionals and how we don't have a lot of male professionals 559 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,640 creating content, Instagram, YouTube, whatever. 560 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,360 Is it because the majority of the people who are sharing 561 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:52,760 journal related stuff or planner related stuff are not in that 562 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,000 demographic. And I think that that's like, 563 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,960 you know, a really sad point though, because it would be 564 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,440 really good to have people sharing in that space or more 565 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,320 people sharing in that space because we don't have of them as 566 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,720 prevalent in the community. So it's like, Oh yeah, there are 567 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,320 all of these journal layouts that are being shared and 568 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,760 they're really popular and stuff like that. 569 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,040 But that's not going to work for me. 570 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,960 So where do I get inspiration? I'm like, huh, maybe you could 571 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,960 be the inspiration. Maybe you should start a 572 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,840 channel. I mean, that's why I started 573 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,960 buying it really was it was like I'm looking for this type of 574 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,360 stuff. And I also wasn't seeing a lot 575 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,160 of professional layouts or things I could use my bullet 576 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,800 journal for work for which I've done for all of these years. 577 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,840 I still don't have like a super just creative separate one. 578 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,600 I started that desk journal a few weeks ago and I feel like 579 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,280 Vogel, I have these on and offs where I like sometime I'm using 580 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,520 it and sometimes I'm not. But I think that's also just the 581 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,400 fluidity of journaling and bullet journaling specifically. 582 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,440 It's a tool you have when you need it, but if you don't, then 583 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,320 you're not worried about it. And I think that could also 584 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,680 maybe be something to where someone feels as if they don't 585 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,000 have a diversity of content to post. 586 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,520 I'm just going to post my weekly and that's about it. 587 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,000 And you're like, OK, well, if for someone just doesn't feel 588 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,560 like that's going to inspire someone, I understand it. 589 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,520 But take a look online and look at some of these others where 590 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,560 people are just showing what their weeks look like and it's 591 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,520 pretty basic or minimal, the stride. 592 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,040 And you're like, yeah, I love this. 593 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,600 Like I'm super inspired not to use extra things this week 594 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,560 because I really like the way that looks. 595 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,640 I also think that that's probably something that holds 596 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,640 people back in general, like not just males in the journaling 597 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,800 planning space, but people who want to start an account related 598 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,960 to their journal or their planning system or anything like 599 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,520 that. But they're thinking like, oh, 600 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,360 I'm not consistent enough in the way that I do my journaling to 601 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,360 share it. Like I'd be outed as a fraud. 602 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:38,840 I'm like, ha, ha, well congratulations, I'm the biggest 603 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,560 fraud out there because none of my journals have been 100% used. 604 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,080 Like every time there's a flip through, I'm like, didn't use 605 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,440 that. Whoops, set that up. 606 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,680 Nothing in there. Oh, look, obviously I died. 607 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,840 Like we've talked about this before, but possibly that's 608 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,600 something that's holding out, you know, not just male creators 609 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,760 or potential creators back, but also just other people who want 610 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,840 to share their journaling. It's like I'm not consistent at 611 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,520 all. So then like I can't share. 612 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,480 Well, let's talk about those who are sharing. 613 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,200 I think it's a really great pivot here to talk about some of 614 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,640 our favorites. And for me, I'd have to say, you 615 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,400 know, want some of my first mail accounts that I follow. 616 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240 So obviously the bullet journal account and even writer Carol 617 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,800 himself, I don't know how much he posted this personal anymore, 618 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,720 but his bullet journal one, always a great space for 619 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,960 inspiration. I would say definitely Matt 620 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,560 Raglan. I've talked about him a lot as 621 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,280 being kind of the very first male creators that I saw on mine 622 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,360 that I was like, okay, there is someone doing this in this 623 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,480 space. So that was always something 624 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,480 that was very awesome for me. And those I would say were kind 625 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,080 of the start and there's plenty, like I said, I have a huge list 626 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,000 here of other creators that I that I really like and go 627 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,120 through. So I'm just like, well, I don't 628 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,160 want to miss anybody, but I would say like probably my my 629 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,960 kind of top five right now, people that I'm seeing online. 630 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,120 So you know, we've got Bryant, that journaling guy, always love 631 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,800 his content. You know, he's a person. 632 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,040 I've also looked to a lot for fountain pens. 633 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,200 He's big enough fountain pens in journaling his videography, Oh 634 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,280 my gosh, it was absolutely stunning and beautiful. 635 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,640 He does a lot of stuff on YouTube. 636 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,240 Instagram is around. I don't know if I see him pop up 637 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,120 as much, but Instagram isn't showing me half the people that 638 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,880 I even subscribe to anyway so it doesn't matter. 639 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,480 I'm getting a lot more thread content now that I am Instagram 640 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,320 content. I don't know if your feed looks 641 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,320 like that, but they are trying to push threads so hard on me. 642 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,480 I'm like I don't. I just want to see my friends 643 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,600 bullet journal posts. And the worst part is that they 644 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,120 always share you a thread that has a picture on it. 645 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,800 And then because of the way it's shared, it's like cut off. 646 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,000 And I'm like, well, now I'm going to open it because now I 647 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,160 want to know the pictures. And if you jump over threads, 648 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,840 I'm like, cool, I only came here to see this. 649 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,720 I don't care for anything else. And I swear every time I jump 650 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920 over to threads, it's just a whole bunch of people saying 651 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,600 like, oh, if you hit the like button, it turns rainbow or 652 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,080 whatever because we just had pride month off. 653 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,280 Oh, if you hit the like button, it turns into bubbles. 654 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,920 I'm like, this is not an exciting social media platform 655 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,240 to be on. It's not. 656 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,920 It's really not. But yeah, so, so those guys are 657 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800 great. Matt from Desktop Nerd, he isn't 658 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,120 necessarily bullet journaling. He does a lot with fountain pens 659 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,480 and inks. Love him for that. 660 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,440 He also does a lot with pocket journals. 661 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,480 So you see a lot of that kind of content on there, which is 662 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,000 pretty fantastic. him and I have actually become pretty close 663 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,360 friends over the past year or so as he got started. 664 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,520 It was awesome because he's like, hey, I'm a guy, I'm a 665 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,640 lefty. I feel like we've got something 666 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,960 we could we can make this work. And you know, it's been cool to 667 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,880 connect and, and watch someone grow and kind of do their own 668 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,800 thing in their own way, which I think like we just talked about 669 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,960 is super important. I would say Eric Gamma is 670 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,420 another big one. If you follow him, it's at under 671 00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:44,280 score, Eric Erick Gamma, Gama under score. 672 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,960 But I've always loved his stuff. But also he runs Amarillo 673 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,680 stationary, which I love even more. 674 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,800 Sorry, Eric, I like your store more than I like you. 675 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,400 But that's because it's a store and has stationary stuff on it. 676 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,920 But his is really fantastic. I've always been a really big 677 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,080 fan of him. I always don't know if I'm 678 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,400 saying the name the right way, but Sohail Bujo was Sohail. 679 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,920 He had a different name, he changed it. 680 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,200 He's another one that does like very minimalist type of 681 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,760 approaches to his bullet journal. 682 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,840 And he also talks a lot about bullet journaling and kind of 683 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,560 the the action of doing it and sharing. 684 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,720 And so that's another account that I actually see talking 685 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,840 about journaling more than just showing about a bullet journal, 686 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,400 which I've always really appreciated. 687 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,200 And then I would also say Job, I see a lot of his stuff more on 688 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,120 YouTube than necessarily Instagram, but Job's journal is 689 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,360 one that I feel like I see all the time now. 690 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800 He's not bullet journaling. He uses a lot of like 691 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,520 travellers, I'm not sure even like I'm so used to saying 692 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080 bullet journaling, it was like, is everything bullet journaling 693 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:45,760 now? I don't know. 694 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,320 But a lot of his content is fantastic too. 695 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,440 I really do appreciate his approach to it because again, 696 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,840 it's something that's like, if you want just a very different 697 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,640 look on like how things look outside of bullet journaling. 698 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,240 His content is good too, but I'll let you share some of yours 699 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680 because I've got a whole list of other people I can continue to 700 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,800 chat about. It's also bad 'cause I came into 701 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,520 this episode like sweet, alrighty, let's go look at the 702 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,560 notes. Let's see what we're talking 703 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,760 about today. And Marks, just like, here's my 704 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,640 tone of all of these people that I follow, that guys in our 705 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,080 community. I'm just like I follow like two 706 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,640 and one of them is you sword. Well, who is the other lucky 707 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,800 person? The other one is Journal 708 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,960 Lawrence. He does a lot of very decorative 709 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,280 journaling work, which is kind of what I like to say. 710 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,320 Honestly, I like to use my journal as a space for 711 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,400 creativity and things, so it's kind of nice to get that on my 712 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,840 Instagram feed. I know that he does a lot of 713 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,920 recreations of Amanda Rach Lee's work and he does amazing jobs of 714 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,000 them. I also know that he released his 715 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,360 own journal. I'm pretty sure. 716 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,800 I might be talking of smack now. It might be somebody completely 717 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,200 different. Pretty sure it isn't though. 718 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,920 But good for him. But no, I very much appreciate 719 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,120 and love his work. Previously I've also followed 720 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800 like Dano of Dano's bujo. I don't think he's posting as 721 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,080 much anymore, but he does have a back catalogue on YouTube, which 722 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,440 again is a more decorative style of planning as well, which I I 723 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,600 like. And also Brian Hazard, who I see 724 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,280 more on Facebook in the Facebook groups rather than on YouTube, 725 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,920 Instagram. I know he has a YouTube, I 726 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,080 haven't really watched his videos, but I know he's quite 727 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,400 popular over on the Facebook groups. 728 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,280 So those are the ones that really come to mind. 729 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,760 And then Mark, like, that's it. That's my list. 730 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,080 I would say I know Brian's name. I see his name pop a lot in the 731 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,320 bullet journal proper space. Anytime they have any type of 732 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,120 like ambassador calls or group calls, he's always on those. 733 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,720 And you're right. I mean, his content has always 734 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,800 been very much like, here's how you use the bullet journal 735 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,200 method. Here's how I use the bullet 736 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,880 journal method and kind of talking more about that, which I 737 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,360 can always really appreciate. I'm just gonna kind of go down 738 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,880 my list if that's OK, because I feel like otherwise, you know, 739 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,680 it's just what it is. So you've got Ian at the dot 740 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,880 paper dot Sparrow. He's another person who's kind 741 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680 of got a really cool mixed approach. 742 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,040 Last stationary, not necessarily bullet journal, some bullet 743 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,840 journal. I'm just going to say journaling 744 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,760 and then everyone can check them out at your own and decide if 745 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,560 it's bullet journaling or just regular journaling. 746 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,600 Totally up to you. Jesse's another one, another 747 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,199 minimalist and he's actually a part of a lot of the same like 748 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,239 affiliate programs that I am as well. 749 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,719 His is at lines, dot and dot lettering. 750 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,480 So lines and lettering always seen really cool stuff from him 751 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,360 and his It's just one of those things where like you see 752 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,520 someone write just plain print font and you're like, damn, that 753 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,560 looks good. Why can't I do that you. 754 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,199 Know right, They're the ones that I like. 755 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,000 It's you've heard of cute aggression where you say 756 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,560 something cute and you're just like, crush it. 757 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,800 Yeah, that's. Equivalent to me when I say 758 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,120 somebody with nice handwriting, I'm just like, I just want to 759 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,360 burn your book. Yeah, so there's a lot of those 760 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,639 where I see those Heron is at big Boy Journal. 761 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,040 It's big in the BOI is how he spells boy. 762 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,600 I just want to say that every picture that man takes is is art 763 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,120 because he does that whole like flat lay cool desk thing and 764 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,840 you're just looking at it and you're like, I wish my space 765 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,320 looked like that. And he's got all the cool toys, 766 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,800 then all the cool things. And I always love just looking 767 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,280 at his pictures and like looking at his desk and being like, oh, 768 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,640 what's new over here? This is super cool looking. 769 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,160 You've got Brett Wright, Brett J White, so I just like seeing his 770 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,560 name pop up. He's one of the I've been 771 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,040 following for a really long time, which is good. 772 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,720 You've got Ricky at Bromero card. 773 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,360 So Ricky is like this perfect Unicorn of like loving 774 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,040 stationary and bullet journals and collecting notebooks and 775 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,560 things like that. But a lot of his content is more 776 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,280 card focused. But let me just tell you how 777 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,080 much inspiration though that I've gotten from his account 778 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,960 because a lot of the same techniques and tools and 779 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,800 products that he's using for card making you can use inside 780 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,600 of your bullet journal. So like there's nothing to say 781 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,240 that just because it's not a bullet journal account that 782 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,080 you're not pulling inspiration. And he's just funny as hell and 783 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,760 an awesome guy too, so you always got to appreciate that. 784 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,360 That's a good point though, because I mean, you know, 785 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000 thinking about how I got into bullet journaling, the supplies 786 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,400 I was first using, they were all from my scrapbooking days. 787 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,840 Like I still have my creative memories corner rounder that I 788 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,640 use and I'm just like, thank you 15 year old Jess who got into 789 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,920 scrapbooking. I love this tool. 790 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,400 Scrapbooking is like the gateway drug into bullet journaling and 791 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,120 creative planning. It absolutely is. 792 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,960 We've got our common friend Danny over at Danny Plans It. 793 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,880 He's just, he's just the sunshine in this bullet journal 794 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,320 community, you know, like you just kind of see his stuff and 795 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,160 he's doing a lot of teacher content. 796 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,160 At least he was doing a lot of that. 797 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,920 I see that over on TikTok a lot, but still involving this 798 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,560 planner, still being creative, a great kind of representative of 799 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,280 the LGBTQ plus community as well. 800 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,400 So it's like he's a great example of like a Men's Journal 801 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,440 doesn't have to just be this like boring basic looking thing. 802 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,880 Here's like the total other side of it, which I always really 803 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,760 appreciate, and just seeing how he approaches it. 804 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400 I think Romanov, he uses a bullet journal and I think he's 805 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,760 more inside of like the happy planner or I don't know, what is 806 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,080 that like happy planner space? Like what do we call that? 807 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,640 He totally bullet journals now he's using an alternative. 808 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,680 Oh, OK, I was gonna say I will still use. 809 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,880 I don't know, I always feel like I always saw him using other 810 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,800 things. But that's also if he's in a if 811 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,240 he's doing regular bullet journaling. 812 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,480 Yeah, I think he was in some kind of planner space 813 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,640 previously. I mean, like he's still 814 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,120 technically in the planner space, aren't we all? 815 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,640 And it's a big bubble. But yeah, I previously he was 816 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,680 using a different style of planner, but nowadays he is 817 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,320 using an ultra and olive. I think it's AB 5 again now. 818 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,680 I might be talking schmack, but I think that might be the case. 819 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,240 Why don't we know all the details about what Danny's doing 820 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:29,480 constantly? I mean I. 821 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,320 Know, right, what's daddy doing now? 822 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,040 I just appreciate that he's also a teacher because like, I love 823 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,520 having more teachers in our space. 824 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,720 So that's really cool as well. So thinking about like how 825 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,280 people use it for their job versus how they're using it for 826 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,800 their everyday life and stuff. That's always something that I'm 827 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,120 interested in seeing, but more on your list. 828 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,520 Yeah. So then we have a Tim Dawkins, 829 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,560 his he's at Cursive and Cold Brew, more of a pen, fountain 830 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,200 pen kind of space than journaling necessarily. 831 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,040 But we all write in our journals. 832 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,640 So having that and I also just think that cursive and Cold brew 833 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,280 is a freaking amazing handle. I mean, you don't get better 834 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,280 than that. I want to try cold brew just 835 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,000 from hearing about this now. Like I don't even drink coffee. 836 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,800 Oh, that's right. I was like, you've never tried 837 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,520 cold brew? Cold brew is the best way to 838 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,280 have coffee because it makes it a little bit sweeter. 839 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,760 It's just like iced coffee, but like, sweet. 840 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,080 I feel like that sounds like what I would want because 841 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,080 anytime I've had coffee previously I've just been like 7 842 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,720 sugars. Please, let's turn this into 843 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,720 melted ice cream. Which is a great way to enjoy 844 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,160 your coffee. Absolutely. 845 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:39,800 Then we have Lewis at Mr. Bujo, but it's Mr. BU dot Jo, another 846 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,960 fantastic bullet journal account. 847 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,360 I don't have anything bad to say, not that I would say 848 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,200 anything bad about anybody anyway, but just like good 849 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,320 journal content. And then we have Gabe, who 850 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,880 actually got to meet at go wild this year plan with Gabe, 851 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,520 another fantastic account just to see like different stuff that 852 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,080 guys are doing in this community. 853 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,960 We've got Mitchell the crafty planner dude, Kenneth at the pen 854 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,960 father. His is much more pen fountain 855 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,680 pen stuff. He's introduced me to a lot of 856 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,560 really cool stuff too over the years. 857 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,200 We've got Ed at Ed under score bujo under score journey. 858 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,840 So Ed bujo journey. I'm just adding this all in 859 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,480 here. So y'all like if you're not 860 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,480 watching it and you're seeing little names pop up on the 861 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,720 screen, you can like follow it. Later on we'll also put all the 862 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,480 names in the show notes too, so y'all have that there too. 863 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:25,800 Don't worry about trying to write stuff down. 864 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,680 If you're listening in the car, please don't of. 865 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,440 Course you told them that. Now, after they've been 866 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,200 curiously scribbling it down, like Oh my God, I got to take 867 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,440 all these lines down. I know. 868 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,560 You know, it's funny, I was thinking about that the other 869 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,480 day. I was trying to I was in the car 870 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,240 and I was trying to take a note and I was reminded of remember 871 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:42,760 back in the day, the people used to have it. 872 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,560 It was like session cup to the windshield. 873 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:46,640 It was a little pad of paper and a pen. 874 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,080 Like how dangerous was that versus now you just like, Hey, 875 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,600 Siri, and you tell it to remind you my series are all going to 876 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,720 go off of my house in a second, like take a note for me, right. 877 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,080 And it's like, you know, but Can you imagine being in the car 878 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,160 driving and like, trying to write down a note on your 879 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,160 windshield? Oh my gosh, yeah. 880 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,960 I would not probably be inclined to do that. 881 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,680 See, my biggest issue for taking down notes is that, like, you 882 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,800 know, inspiration always strikes when you're in the shower. 883 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,120 And most notebooks don't do well with water. 884 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,440 So it's like, OK, what are we going to do about this? 885 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,240 Still looking for a solution. And I would say the last three 886 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:22,200 here are all other guys that really inspired me during my 887 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,360 journey as well. But I don't think any of them 888 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,040 are current up to date, at least in the past 2-3 years. 889 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,400 So Ricardo was the booster journal. 890 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,560 He was one that he always had content out, but I think he did 891 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,480 a lot of his content while he was in school. 892 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,560 And so I think it was something where like, he graduated and 893 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,360 then we just didn't see him anymore. 894 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,440 Good ideas. It's a bummer that he's not 895 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,520 creating anymore because yeah, he like the productivity level 896 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,560 board. That's one that I bought into my 897 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,760 journal really love. And now I have a lot of people 898 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,640 who say like, I I saw this from GS and I'm just like wasn't like 899 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,520 originally from me. I'm glad that I could share it 900 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,720 with you, but because it's a really cool idea. 901 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,400 He had a lot of very cool, very like graphic, not graphic like 902 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:07,040 gore, not like that like graphic style, like organizations of 903 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,840 information, which were really interesting. 904 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,200 Yeah, he had all the highlighters, all the colors, 905 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,680 all the things. Absolutely. 906 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,720 This content was fantastic. Then there was another mark. 907 00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:19,280 So I don't know how to ever say this because it's Mark, but 908 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,440 bujo's in the middle, so MABUJORK. 909 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,400 So it's like Mabujork? Yeah, it was Mabujork. 910 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,080 That's how I would rate it. What was interesting about this 911 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,240 Mark is that we both actually started our accounts right about 912 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:37,680 the same time. So other mark was very kind of 913 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,600 that minimalistic pen paper bullet journal. 914 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,280 And he was one of the first people that I really felt that 915 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,960 jealousy. Like we talked about this 916 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,920 previously about being like jealous of like someone else's 917 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,320 content and what they're doing. He was the first one because we 918 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,680 started at the same time and I just remember just watching him 919 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,160 just skyrocket with followers and likes and all of that. 920 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,760 And I was like, I'm doing bullet journal content over here too. 921 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,040 And it's not getting as much, you know, like all of the 922 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,800 attention as he was. And I just remember being there 923 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,120 like very early on and like watching him grow and watch me 924 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,360 like slowly growing. And I was like, and you know, 925 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,120 eventually I caught up. Eventually I surpassed him. 926 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,160 But what it's not about competition. 927 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,320 That's not what I'm saying here. But it was one of those things 928 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,880 just like his content just is just hit with people and people 929 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,000 loved it. But I don't see him posting as 930 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,800 much anymore. But I always really appreciate 931 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,680 what he did. A lot of my early content that I 932 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,400 put in my bullet journal was mimicking his because it was 933 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,760 like just that good. And I was like, damn it. 934 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,360 And also I was like, well, if he's just putting the day of the 935 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,800 week and lettering it, I'm going to do the same. 936 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,400 But maybe people will like it. That's just to go show you what 937 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,480 old Mark was like. He just wanted that attention. 938 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,800 I. Don't think it doesn't help that 939 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,720 he has the same name as you. So it's such an easy comparison 940 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,520 point as well. You're just like, oh, he's the 941 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,680 better mark. He's the mark everybody loves. 942 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,160 It's not fair. I know, I know, but look at me 943 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,840 now. Look at me now. 944 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,960 Yeah, I gotta collab with A&R if I made it now. 945 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,640 And then I say the last one I'm going to mention because I've 946 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,040 mentioned so many, was Dan at Pacific Notation. 947 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:20,320 So like dance account. Oh my God, this man could do 948 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:26,200 amazing things with black paper and pen and just always had the 949 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,200 coolest spreads, the coolest ideas. 950 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,320 Again, another person that I replicated so much of his work 951 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,920 early on because it just, it looks so simple and then like 952 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,440 you create it yourself and you're like, why doesn't this 953 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,640 look the same? It's just lines of letter read. 954 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,520 But his is another one that early on. 955 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,960 And I actually should have mentioned him earlier as like 956 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,840 one of the other guys I saw in the beginning because he was one 957 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,320 of like the OG guys that I followed as well. 958 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,080 I don't see any of his content anymore. 959 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,320 Like the last I had heard from him, he was actually going to 960 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,160 put out a notebook of his own and then then I haven't seen 961 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,240 where it went from there. So I really miss him and wish he 962 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,760 would come back because he was a huge inspiration to me and 963 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,760 others. I don't think a lot of people in 964 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,640 our community necessarily realize how kind of influential 965 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,000 he was either, because he was the one who came up with the 966 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,440 grid spacing guide. Like, I'm pretty sure the first 967 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,920 instance of the grid spacing guide being shared was from his 968 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,720 account. Yeah. 969 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,880 And then Amanda Rachely saw it. She recreated it in hers and 970 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,880 then of course, yes, everybody was using it kind of a thing. 971 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,000 But yeah, the first one was from him. 972 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,240 So like, total props. Round of applause. 973 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:29,960 Round of applause. Absolutely. 974 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,880 So he was majorly influential. So I went through all those 975 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,960 names. Again, all of those will be in 976 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,880 the show notes. We'll put them on the YouTube as 977 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,960 well. And again, just to shut up, I 978 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,920 mean, that's kind of like my guy community. 979 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,880 You know, for a while I actually had an Instagram chat group that 980 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,920 was called like Men who bullet Journal. 981 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,880 I try to look for it to see if it existed anymore. 982 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,760 And it must not because it hasn't been used in a while. 983 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,040 But early on I created that. So it was like collecting guys 984 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,760 sounds very weird, but I was like liking these guy accounts. 985 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,680 I was like, oh, a guy account. I'm going to add you this chat 986 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,640 group. And for a while we were like, 987 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,600 yeah, this is great. We should promote each other and 988 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,880 do all those types of things. And I think just naturally like 989 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,840 the chat groups slowly die off, People were no longer posting 990 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,400 anymore, but it was a great space to kind of just chat and 991 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,080 talk about guys, journaling struggles, things like that. 992 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,640 Because we all had that one thing in common. 993 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,440 And I'm sorry if I forgot anyone I really like really went 994 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,040 through everything to go through it. 995 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,960 But if you are a guy that I follow or we've chatted and I 996 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,040 didn't think of, you just know that they're for me personally, 997 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,800 not for Jess. She is like two guys that she 998 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,880 follows. I follow up more guys accounts 999 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,920 personally, so I had a lot more to pick from, but I'd love to 1000 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,240 hear from you though and let us know if you are out there making 1001 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,880 content and and posting it. Like we want to share that. 1002 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,480 We want to promote that because we're very small, little 1003 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,080 demographic out there, but we want to promote the guys in the 1004 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,560 community too because everyone's welcome. 1005 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,520 If you watching have a favorite guy creator as well, like you're 1006 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,080 allowed to be your own favorite guy creator. 1007 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,000 Go forth, toot your own horn. It's all good. 1008 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,960 But let us know who in our community is male and creating 1009 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,560 content and you want to give a shout out to, you know, leave a 1010 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,160 link in in your comment. Let us know who they are. 1011 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,960 And if you don't want to comment here, you want to, you know, 1012 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,120 send us an e-mail. Then you can also hit us up at 1013 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,400 plannerpowerspodcast@gmail.com or you can hit us up at 1014 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,600 Instagram at Planner Powers Podcast. 1015 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,880 Absolutely, I'm really looking forward to hearing and seeing 1016 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,640 more guys that I can collect inside of my list. 1017 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,720 Guys creepy. Yes, Soon my army will be 1018 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,120 complete. You know what, I'm fine with 1019 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,480 that. I was. 1020 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,680 I just don't want to go that like Jeffrey Dahmer around. 1021 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,040 I want anyone thinking that like I do want to collect all the 1022 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,680 people. I'm not trying to do anything 1023 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,560 bad. Yeah, nothing suspicious, 1024 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,080 nothing shady. Only good things. 1025 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,360 On our next episode, we're going to talk about another topic that 1026 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,040 I absolutely love because it is a place that I personally have 1027 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,640 struggled. I know others have well. 1028 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,640 We're going to be talking about bullet journal and planning work 1029 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,120 versus at home. These are two different spaces 1030 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,280 that can definitely use this. Do we combine them? 1031 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,080 Are they separate? Do we need different approaches? 1032 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,000 And we're going to be talking about this topic a lot more and 1033 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,000 we're really looking forward to that one because we know a lot 1034 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,840 of people struggle with that. So definitely make sure to check 1035 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,840 that one out. We promise we'll be back in the 1036 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,480 next two weeks. We had a little bit of a break 1037 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,000 before, but we are back in action back to the same every 1038 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,880 two weeks schedule hopefully. So Platter pals, we'll talk to 1039 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,200 you next time. Have a great rest of your day.