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Welcome to the Planner Pals 
Podcast, a podcast hosted by two

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true planner pals. 
I'm Jess or Jessica and. 

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My name is Mark, and I go by 
Mark your pages and today's 

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episodes by friend is going to 
be a fun one because today we're

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going to be talking about when 
it's time to switch your planner

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when it's not quite working out 
for you anymore. 

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But before we get into that 
topic today, just want to thank 

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everyone so much for the 
comments on the last video. 

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Getting those on Spotify, 
getting those on YouTube and 

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other places where you're 
listening or watching this 

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podcast are fantastic. 
And I know I say it every time, 

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Jess, but it's such a plethora 
of knowledge. 

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It's so awesome to hear from 
planar pals every single 

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episode. 
So just want to say thank you 

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all so much. 
We really appreciate it. 

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It's a fun conversation. 
The opportunity to have the back

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and forth with the community is 
something I very much value 

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about the community in general. 
So as always, thank you for 

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leaving us, your thoughts and 
feels and make sure that you do 

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at the end of this one. 
Because in talking about like 

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when it's time to switch 
planners and such, I feel like 

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this is a really big pain point 
for a lot of people. 

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You know, you're kind of 
slogging through it like, is 

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this working? 
Isn't it working? 

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Like should I try something new?
Do I just need to kind of like 

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grin and bear it? 
I find that it's the decision 

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making, right? 
The decision making part is the 

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painful part. 
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it's not so bad like with most 
things, but that kind of like 

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lead up to making the choice is 
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I think it's because we value 
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type of planner because a lot of
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about starting a new planner and
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of the times you've already put 
all this mental thought and 

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everything to it before you even
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You've researched it. 
If it's a certain notebook or 

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planner or something like that, 
you have so much energy in it. 

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You just, you really, really, 
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And I think that's exactly it. 
You're just, OK, I'm going to 

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use this and then you start 
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And then there's just a point 
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you've been there before and 
that's what we're going to cover

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today. 
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kick off just because I think 
the biggest kind of red flag for

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me when it comes to planners or 
notebooks especially is that I 

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just don't open it anymore. 
It's just one of those things 

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where I just am so disgusted by 
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it. 
It's like open it up just 

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doesn't give me joy. 
It's like, oh God, I've got to 

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open this up and I'm going to 
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because I've invested money into
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A lot of the times for me, it's 
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isn't papering the right way, 
it's not working with the 

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materials that I'm using, it's 
bleeding through or it's 

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ghosting too much and it's just 
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even look at it. 
And for me, that's like a really

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big red flag for me in the past 
that I've had to come to 

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understand and say, Mark, if 
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not worth it. 
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I think it's very much that kind
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whether it's the literal like 
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it's the time cost, energy cost 
or something that you've already

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put into a system that you're 
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So you kind of feel like you're 
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like you've wasted something by 
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So you kind of tell yourself 
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keep using it. 
We're just going to keep going 

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with it. 
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you're going to keep using it, 
but then it just sits there 

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neglected on your desk. 
It's not doing what you wanted 

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it to do for you. 
It's not helping you organize 

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And it's really just sitting 
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guilty about the fact that you 
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It's not a good feeling. 
And something I will do and I 

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don't even realize that I do it.
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store it away or put it away. 
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sight, out of mind, which makes 
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just like, well, I really am not
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using this thing. 
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I've completely just cleared it 
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It's it's never a good thing 
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When you do kind of like buckle 
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we're going to do the thing. 
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It's just not a joy at all. 
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making it a chore for yourself 
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use it. 
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mentioned with the idea of I 
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But making or I guess forcing 
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rather than having a system that
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sucks all the fun out of it. 
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about journaling and planning is
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So it's not fun anymore. 
Then that's a pretty big red 

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flag that maybe it's time to 
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Yeah, that's like a life thing. 
I also, I say that to myself and

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other people, especially with 
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like if you're really not loving
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bed. 
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But in this situation, like if 
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don't like your job, I think it 
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especially if it's like, OK, I 
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But if you just really don't 
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said, it's hard to just get to 
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decision. 
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change from a job than a 
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But the idea is still there is 
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yourself, OK, I'm really not 
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Something about this just isn't 
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Let me go ahead and look for 
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I'll keep that while I'm doing 
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eventually get into it. 
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it's just not a good feeling. 
I love that idea of Oh yeah, no,

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your general plan is separate to
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I'm like, is it? 
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separate? 
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Like you don't get out of bed 
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journaling. 
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different when your full time 
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contact and doing stuff like 
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It's like, well, what am I doing
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Whereas like most other people, 
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everyone's a bit different. 
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I'm not going to get myself in 
trouble and make it sound like 

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anyone who does think about the 
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wrong. 
It's hardly a very good 

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practice. 
That's usually just not my 

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number one thing. 
I mean, if you're getting up in 

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your first thought as you're 
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sure it's a good thought though.
You want to make sure it's a 

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positive thing. 
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your journal or any other life 
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it sparks joy. 
Otherwise, you will not get out 

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of bed. 
You will procrastinate starting 

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on your day and then even more 
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a great spot to be in. 
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What about yourself, Jazz? 
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your life where you've just 
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this is another flag. 
It's time to cut it. 

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I think that one thing that has 
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necessarily a red flag for like 
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switch, but maybe like something
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are particular layouts or 
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just going untouched. 
Like I'm not getting in and 

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filling in the trackers. 
Trackers are always a big one. 

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Routine trackers, habit trackers
in particular styles or 

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structures. 
Jess will not check in with that

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sorry annual tracker. 
It just wasn't meant to be 

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sorry, monthly tracker. 
It's not my happy place. 

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But those are also really good 
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working for us and maybe we need
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Yeah, I agree with you. 
I think trackers are the number 

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one thing. 
We always joke about that when 

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we talk about like unused pages 
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They always have the best 
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But something that you and I 
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idea of it being like 
performative instead of it being

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something that you're really 
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Like the idea of filling out a 
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I think that's why we all love 
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It really does make you feel as 
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something. 
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those trackers, it's like, well,
maybe I did do the thing, but I 

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just not filling it out. 
You're kind of in this weird 

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kind of spot, the hard part, 
like your journal shouldn't feel

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like a job, but to a certain 
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It's something that you should 
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It is something that you should 
certainly keep on top of, but it

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is just, it should never feel 
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especially when you're making 
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And that is just something that 
is just, it's just not a, like 

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you said before, it's like it's 
not a good feeling when you're 

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not filling out those trackers. 
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I feel like those are always the
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That did not work out very well.
The number of times I bring one 

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in for the month being like, 
Yep, this is the month that this

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tracker will work for me and we 
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I'm like, haha, psych Nope. 
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There is that idea of it 
shouldn't feel like a job to get

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That's a different thing. 
But like it shouldn't feel like 

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a giant chore. 
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like a chore, there should be 
enough of a payoff that makes it

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worthwhile. 
Like, you know, I don't enjoy 

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cleaning my kitchen, but I love 
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I might not necessarily love 
filling in my tracker, but if I 

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feel like I'm actually getting 
information out of it or I'm 

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feeling genuinely accomplished 
by doing that, then there's 

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going to be some kind of like 
pay off there that makes the the

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effort put in worth putting the 
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If there is no kind of payoff or
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enough, it's not significant 
enough to really account for the

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fact that you've put that time, 
effort and energy, then that 

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will also be kind of a red flag 
to say like maybe something's 

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not working. 
Maybe we need to change 

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something up if. 
There's something that I made a 

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spread a long time ago and I 
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this or like, you know, someone 
probably said it, but I used to 

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say this a lot is like your 
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You don't need to work for your 
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Like that idea that like 
whatever you're putting in 

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there, your planner, your bullet
journal, whatever that might be,

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it needs to work for yourself. 
It needs to work for your life. 

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It's supposed to make your life 
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But when it turns on you and 
then you feel like you're 

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dedicating too much time to it, 
you're kind of putting and 

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pouring all that energy into 
something that you're not 

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getting anything back. 
That for me is like a really 

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important factor to just be 
like, this is isn't right, this 

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isn't working. 
Something is off with this 

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balance here. 
And usually for me, that's when 

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I say, OK, reset button. 
That might just be turning the 

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page and rethinking about the 
ways in which I want to tackle 

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that journal. 
Since for me, I'm using blank 

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journals and I'm kind of filling
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But I think even with like 
another type of planner, right, 

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maybe your inserts just aren't 
right. 

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Maybe the way that you've kind 
of put those or curated those 

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together, like something's just 
not vibing the right way. 

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So for me, a lot of the times 
that's when I'm just like, Yep, 

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not good. 
It's time to really make. 

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Yeah, I think that that part 
about the inserts in particular,

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one of the things that you can 
you kind of use to indicate that

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something isn't quite right is 
like is the information where I 

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would think to find that 
information, Like is it put in 

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the spot in my journal or 
planner system or whatever where

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I would actually naturally tend 
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So for instance, for me, I will 
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like event that is scheduled or 
like time sensitive. 

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My default is like I should 
check my calendar, not I should 

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check my journal. 
So if I'm trying to like, make 

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myself use my journal for those 
types of pieces of information 

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when realistically that's not 
where I'm going to check for 

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them, that is also another red 
flag for me. 

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Yeah, it's something that I've 
had to change up overtime since,

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you know, I'm utilizing the 
bullet journal method, you know,

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and I have specific collection 
pages for certain meetings and 

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things. 
The idea there was always to 

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rapid log in that collection 
page, right? 

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All the information that you 
have should go there. 

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The problem that I've had in the
past and I've had a change is 

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that I used to just rapid log, 
let's say like a meeting 

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collection page, for instance. 
And I used to jot down notes and

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to do's, I used to keep them 
there. 

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But the problem is, is that 
that's not the page that I am 

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typically always looking at. 
So what I started to do is 

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almost kind of migrate them into
my weekly view because I know 

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that I wasn't going to look back
there on the page. 

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It still stayed there because 
still information about that. 

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But a lot of times, like right 
after that meeting, I would just

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put like a forward facing, you 
know, arrow and just say like, I

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migrated that to where I am 
right now just to let myself 

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know that I didn't miss it. 
And that was something that I 

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had to change because to your 
exact point, the information and

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the to do's weren't where I 
thought they needed to be. 

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I mean, in theory, it makes 
sense that they're on the 

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collection page because that's 
where I'm taking those notes. 

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But like the actual to do's that
I'm looking at every single day 

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are not there. 
And since collection pages could

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be anywhere in your notebook, 
it's also so difficult to try to

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find those and come back to 
them. 

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At least now I'm utilizing the 
system like maybe I'm doing it 

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wrong. 
Who the hell knows. 

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Nowadays, anyone can tell you 
you're bullet journaling wrong, 

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Jess. 
Don't even bait me. 

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Oh my gosh. 
But I think it is a very like 

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it's an ADHD friendly thing to 
put things at like the point of 

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performance, I think it's 
called. 

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So it's like, where am I 
actually going to best use this?

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Let's put it there because then 
it'll actually work better. 

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But in terms of things that also
indicate like, hey, maybe this 

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isn't working, one of the 
biggest ones is just not getting

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stuff done because I use my 
journal and planning system, 

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funnily enough for planning, 
like trying to organize my life 

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and stuff. 
If I find that I am forgetting 

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when I need to be places where I
need to be with places and like 

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what I need to be doing, when 
things need to be done by all of

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that kind of stuff. 
When I start finding like, oh 

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cool, I'm working up towards 
like a lot of deadlines and I'm 

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like trying to get things done 5
minutes before The thing is due 

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or whatever, then that is a 
really good indicator to me that

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like something in my system is 
not working. 

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Even though it's not necessarily
like I'm looking at my planner 

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and saying like, OK, there's 
something wrong with my planner.

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It's more so like the reflection
of those plans or the execution 

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of those plans is kind of 
indicating something isn't 

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working because you're not 
getting things done in a timely 

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manner. 
Something's been big for me. 

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When I first heard bullet 
drilling, I thought everything 

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had to live inside of there. 
And so I was like, OK, every 

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event, everything gets put 
inside of there and I wasn't 

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putting it in other places 
because in my mind I felt like 

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it only go in my planner. 
And something that I realized 

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obviously is that wasn't working
because I was missing dates and 

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forgetting. 
I don't carry my journal with me

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everywhere, especially if you've
got like AB 5 or a square, like 

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that's not like going in your 
backpack or I don't carry your 

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purse or a man bag or anything 
like that. 

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So like it's not with me. 
And so something I've been doing

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a lot is just duplicating that 
data in my phone. 

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So it's like I'll write down 
that note, I'll remind myself 

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I'll go in a future log or even 
if it's an appointment for later

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on in the week, but I always put
it inside of my phone because 

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then and I can easily find the 
address, put it into the meeting

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invite. 
And again, I can put all the 

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information in my bullet 
journal, But again, I don't have

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that with me. 
So if I don't remember to take 

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it or look at it beforehand or 
write it down. 

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And then also to me honestly 
feels like old school, like 

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printing out your MapQuest 
directions, you know, like 

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that's, I don't know, for some 
reason, like writing down on 

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paper and then being like, 
here's where I have to go. 

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And then realizing I'm still 
going to put that in my phone's 

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GPS to find out where that is. 
It just didn't feel right to me.

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So that's why I started to do 
that. 

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So it's like the journals are to
collect it. 

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It's there to remind me, but the
actual action of going and doing

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that appointment or whatever 
lives on my phone. 

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And that's been like a really 
big like awakening for me where 

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it's like, it's not that the 
bullet journal isn't working for

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me. 
I just had to find a better way 

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to kind of do it. 
I think that's also a good part.

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It's like you kind of said, the 
bullet journal isn't like not 

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working for me or whatever. 
English is not my first 

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language. 
That is a bold faced lie. 

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It is. 
I just suck at it anyway. 

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I was going to say, what is your
first language? 

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It was. 
Not obviously. 

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My first language is Australian.
Gosh. 

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Yes, true, true. 
You do say some words a bit 

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differently. 
I do, I do. 

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But in terms of thinking about 
like, is it the fact that the 

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whole thing isn't working or 
it's just maybe part of it not 

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working? 
So it's like, do we have to 

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throw a baby out with the 
bathwater or do we maybe just 

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need to change the bathwater? 
This is a bad analogy. 

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Don't throw babies anyway. 
But in terms of thinking about 

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that, like there might be parts 
of your system that actually do 

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work really well for you. 
But if you have that kind of 

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tainted view or like twisted 
perception of it almost because 

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there are particular parts that 
are just really problematic and 

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not working. 
We want to make sure that we're 

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kind of mindful of the fact that
maybe not everything sucks. 

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Maybe just this little part 
sucks and maybe we need to tweak

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or change that rather than going
to like a complete new planning 

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system. 
It's one of my favorite things 

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to do actually with my weekly 
bullet journals spreads is going

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and looking at not just the 
information that's in there 

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before I migrated, but actually 
kind of doing an audit of that 

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weekly spread because I'm trying
to put like little modules of 

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things inside of there often. 
And I'll go back and I'll say, 

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OK, did this week spread work 
for me? 

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And a lot of the things or what 
we just talked about, like did I

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miss tasks that were supposed to
get done? 

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And something like I've altered 
a little bit over time is, you 

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know, I used to do just like 
rapid locking, like the way that

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we learn in the very beginning. 
And what I've realized is that 

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when I combined line notes and 
tasks, even though I have these 

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symbols like that tell me that 
something, a note or a task, for

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whatever reason, when it's in 
line with everything else, it I 

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just don't feel very productive 
about actually then 

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accomplishing those things. 
So like something that I tweaked

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for myself personally was that I
have a separate column for tasks

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and then a separate space for 
notes. 

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And that is something that's 
helped me out. 

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Again, sometimes it counters 
itself where I'm running down 

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notes, but there's an action and
I'm like, OK, wait, the action 

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goes over here, but it's kind of
a part of the note. 

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And so I've kind of altered a 
little bit of how I do it. 

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But a real big thing for me 
though, is really making sure 

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I'm separating out where that 
different information goes so 

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that I know it. 
Especially when I started New 

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Week. 
I think that's the big thing for

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me. 
If I'm migrating things from 

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last week and bringing it over, 
I just have my task list and I'm

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just writing everything straight
down that line, not trying to 

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like connect it to the note of 
the thing that it goes with. 

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And that's just like a simple 
example of something I can 

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change. 
Again, I like bullet journaling.

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Not all of it was working for 
me. 

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I'm not just blow up my whole 
system just to make that work 

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because honestly that was like a
little tweak I had to make for 

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myself. 
Do you have anything like that 

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that you've done overtime as 
well? 

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Yeah, for sure. 
When I first started, I like, 

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was kind of just mimicking what 
I saw online. 

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So I kind of used a lot of the 
same structures month after 

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month without a lot of thought 
as to whether they were actually

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working. 
I kind of, you know, made myself

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fit my planner rather than my 
planner fitting my life. 

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They did get to a point, though,
where we had enough kind of 

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inspiration in the community, I 
guess, to show that there are 

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actually other different ways to
do things. 

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Not everything is boho Berry. 
Yeah, that's the boho Berry. 

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She very much inspired my first 
journal setups. 

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But looking back and looking at 
those, those kind of layouts and

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such, they did obviously work 
for me for a time. 

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But they did get to a point 
where it's like something needs 

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to be different here because 
this is a system that can work 

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for me and has shown like it has
a track record of working. 

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But there are some parts that 
just weren't so much so for 

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instance, like the horizontal 
layout of a tracker. 

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Like for instance, you'd have to
turn your notebook in order to 

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actually use it. 
That didn't work. 

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Didn't love that. 
Didn't like the fact that the 

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title wasn't like at the top of 
the page or something like that.

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Didn't like that I had to rotate
my notebook to use it because it

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was just like a barrier to 
entry. 

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So rather than saying up, well, 
I guess the bullet journaling 

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isn't for me, I'm just going to 
throw that away, I just changed 

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the structure of that tracker. 
Eventually I found that monthly 

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tracking also wasn't really for 
me either. 

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So we put that on to the 
weeklies instead. 

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So just changing the style of 
it, just changing like the, I 

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guess time period of it so that 
then you can kind of have a 

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smaller area of focus rather 
than the entire month. 

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That was just really helpful for
actually getting me in and using

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it, rather than saying at the 
start like Oh well, I guess 

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habit tracking isn't for me at 
all. 

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I can't possibly do it because 
this one structure or this one 

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layout doesn't work. 
It's like, OK, no the layout 

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doesn't work. 
Habit tracking in general 

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though, could work. 
We just need to do it 

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differently. 
Was that tracker that you were 

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putting on the side? 
Did it happen to be in AB5 size 

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notebook? 
No, that one was in an A5, it 

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was like a rotated one. 
But since doing what? 

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How did I do my trackers in AB5?
I think that was the point where

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I was doing similar style. 
It's just that it was vertically

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aligned. 
So when I just started, I would 

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rotate the notebook, the habits 
would go down the kind of like 

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essentially the bottom of the 
layout and then you would count 

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the numbers up from the bottom 
so that then when you had that 

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horizontal view, it kind of made
sense. 

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Eventually the style of monthly 
habit tracker that I actually 

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got to work for me was similar 
in structure, but vertically 

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aligned. 
So you had the habits as icons 

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or as written words along the 
top and then numbers down the 

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left hand side from like, you 
know, 1 to 30 or whatever it 

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was. 
So you'd effectively just have 

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little boxes to color. 
And for each of those, I found 

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that that vertical alignment did
work really nicely. 

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And in terms of monthly habit 
tracking, that was the best 

447
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,680
structure I found for me for 
quite a while. 

448
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,320
But eventually it was just like,
yeah, you're getting to the mid 

449
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,240
month point every single month 
and now you're just falling off 

450
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,840
with your trackers. 
Especially when I would set up 

451
00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,600
the next month, like as soon as 
I would set up the next month's 

452
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,200
like start of month pages, like 
you know, the cover page and the

453
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,840
monthly log and all of that kind
of stuff. 

454
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,840
It's like the current month just
didn't exist. 

455
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,560
I'm like, Nope, you don't spark 
joy anymore. 

456
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,960
Go away. 
I only want to use the new 

457
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,720
things. 
It was a bit of a problem. 

458
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,320
Well, I asked that question 
because I feel like A fives and 

459
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,400
B fives like a 5 is its size and
and the width of it is only so 

460
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,040
right. 
And so that's why you likely 

461
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,080
turned it. 
And B5 I find to be like 

462
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,360
somewhat similar, even though 
there is more space with it. 

463
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,000
You're just like, well, now I 
have this more space, but you're

464
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,960
like, but I have even more space
if I turn it over here to the 

465
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,040
side. 
And doing it that way, the size 

466
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,520
of the notebook and the layout 
of the notebook I think makes a 

467
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,040
really big difference on that 
too. 

468
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,440
So I just asked that question 
because I feel like everyone's 

469
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,920
been there at some point where 
you're like, I need extra space.

470
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,640
Maybe I'll just turn my 
notebook. 

471
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,320
I mean, that's what I'm doing in
my B5 right now. 

472
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,200
I do my calendar pages for my 
future log instead. 

473
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,040
And I couldn't get it to work. 
It works beautifully in a square

474
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,520
notebook I perfected. 
It was great that I'm like, oh, 

475
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,960
B5 this time around. 
And then I think it actually 

476
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,040
might have been you. 
You were like, turn your 

477
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,760
notebook, Mark. 
I bet you that would work. 

478
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,080
And I was like, yeah, but it's 
kind of the same thing. 

479
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,720
I'm just like, OK, flip to the 
page. 

480
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,880
OK, got to rotate my notebook 
now. 

481
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,480
And it's funny you say that 
about like where the header is 

482
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,360
for whatever reason, I can't 
read sideways all the time. 

483
00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:12,960
So I have to turn my notebook 
and then look at the month as 

484
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,080
I'm going up it. 
Like for whatever reason, I can 

485
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,600
just read it better that way. 
But it just makes a big 

486
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,280
difference though. 
I'm like given the size of your 

487
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,800
notebook with some of those 
layouts and that's always a hard

488
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,800
1 trackers and like the wrong 
size, they don't make friends. 

489
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,360
Yeah. 
I mean, you know, a size of 

490
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,840
notebook or size of planner in 
general can really have an 

491
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,920
impact because, for instance, if
your planner or journal is too 

492
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,880
big to get out and put on your 
desk, you're probably not going 

493
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,520
to use it whenever you're at 
your desk. 

494
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,840
And if you do the like majority 
of your work at your desk, then 

495
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,760
it's like, cool, now I'm just 
neglecting my journal or 

496
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,760
planner. 
So maybe it's not the structure 

497
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,400
that is a problem, it's just the
fact that like it doesn't work 

498
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,400
in the physical space that 
you're working in. 

499
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,240
So taking that kind of like 
problem solution, like a kind of

500
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,320
problem solving mindset to it 
acting as like an experimenter 

501
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,280
or a scientist. 
So trying to figure out like 

502
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,040
what in particular is actually 
wrong here and what can I do 

503
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,640
about it? 
So maybe instead of AB5 planner,

504
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,000
I go with an A5 or AB6 or 
something. 

505
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,600
You need to obviously make sure 
you're balancing the like 

506
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,720
physical space taken up with 
actually writing things in there

507
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,080
and having enough space to do 
your planning. 

508
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,160
But it is something that you can
kind of apply and see if that 

509
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,920
will help you in terms of any 
woes that are keeping you from 

510
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,800
using your platter. 
Yeah, something that's been 

511
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,280
really interesting for me over 
time, I was just as I was 

512
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,320
resetting up my bookcase, I was 
looking through everything and I

513
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,240
was looking through like my A 
fives because that's where I 

514
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,000
started. 
And then, you know, I tried 

515
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,360
different sizes that I went 
along and it was something that 

516
00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,240
was so interesting, especially 
in the A fives. 

517
00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:36,880
And this just brings us into our
next point about knowing how 

518
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,720
like it might be trying to maybe
switch things up and not switch 

519
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,160
necessarily the method. 
I didn't, you know, my, my A5 

520
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,640
pages were like one page and 
somehow some of them weren't 

521
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,600
even all the way filled out. 
And I was looking back, I was 

522
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,360
like, Mark, how did you only 
need one page in an A5 for what 

523
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:55,640
you were doing in your bullet 
journal? 

524
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,520
Because like now I can't even 
imagine working inside of a 

525
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,280
smaller notebook because there's
just a lot of notes and tasks 

526
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,880
and things that are going on in 
my life. 

527
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,680
And so I've, you know, watched 
and kind of tracked because it 

528
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,120
was a thought that I had in my 
mind. 

529
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:11,200
And I was like, OK. 
And then I like looked as I 

530
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,200
moved up in space, especially 
into like AB 5 or into a square 

531
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,160
notebook. 
And then I was like, oh, OK, 

532
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,320
like you don't need double 
pages. 

533
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,800
You only need single pages or 
you need double pages because 

534
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,600
like a lot is going on. 
And then I started to find this 

535
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,440
theme of like almost seasonal 
approaches to work because I 

536
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,800
know that, like, I have them at 
work. 

537
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,640
Like, I know like we get very 
busy in the summer, like early 

538
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,000
spring, summer, and then it 
takes a little bit of a dip at 

539
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,040
the end. 
And then like we get towards 

540
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,640
like October, November. 
And then it like dips hardcore, 

541
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,680
like in December. 
And something that I've noticed 

542
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,480
also with that is I was changing
the layouts that I needed 

543
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,800
because I was feeling as if I 
had all of the space and I 

544
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,880
wasn't using it. 
And then I was like, well, maybe

545
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,440
this isn't the right thing for 
me. 

546
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,480
But then what I realized is that
just the amount of space that I 

547
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,000
was using or the amount of pages
that I was using wasn't right 

548
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,320
for me at that time. 
So something else to think 

549
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,880
about, this is kind of just what
brought me into this was just 

550
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,000
that maybe there's a seasonality
that you haven't realized 

551
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,680
happens in your day today or 
your work or whatever. 

552
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,680
That is where you don't need all
of the things you only need like

553
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,680
a, a smaller space to kind of 
handle that. 

554
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,080
So instead of overloading 
yourself or trying to still do 

555
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,160
too much and then getting upset 
at yourself for not using it, 

556
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,160
not filling out the tracker, not
doing those things, Maybe it's 

557
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,520
just not a tracker season, you 
know, maybe it's time to just, 

558
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,000
you know, Nestle up and be free 
of that for a little bit and 

559
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,480
then come back to it when you're
feeling better or you have the 

560
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040
space or the time to try to 
accomplish those things. 

561
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,640
That could be something else. 
So someone could try if you feel

562
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,120
like it's not quite working out 
for you. 

563
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,760
But again, we don't want to say 
like force yourself into it, 

564
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,520
like if it's not working, it's 
not working. 

565
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,760
But I always, again, trying to 
save all that money and time and

566
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,920
space and energy that we talked 
about, trying to find options 

567
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,760
first before we make that 
decision to move away from it. 

568
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,040
And I think that along with the 
kind of seasonality of it, what 

569
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,320
can also be at least tricky for 
me, I found is the idea of like 

570
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,200
an annual planner. 
Like you buy your one planner or

571
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,320
journal or whatnot for the year 
and that's the one you use for 

572
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,880
the entire of the year. 
That one is always tricky 

573
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,480
because it's like, OK, typically
they're more expensive because 

574
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,880
they are bigger. 
And then if you get to like, I 

575
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,760
don't know if it's a January 
through December, you get to 

576
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,200
February and you're like, cool, 
this isn't working. 

577
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,520
You're like great. 
Do I just like Bennett or 

578
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,960
recycle it? 
It's paper probably. 

579
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,880
But still like that, that can be
a really tough thing because, 

580
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,000
you know, time, effort, energy, 
like we said, those resources 

581
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,280
that you've spent on it can feel
wasted. 

582
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,560
But are we effectively throwing 
away the rest of a year on a 

583
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,160
system that's not actually 
working because we're trying to 

584
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,960
like cram our life into a 
planning system that doesn't 

585
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,480
actually work for us? 
That's that's kind of where my 

586
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,600
beef with it is, I suppose. 
But I also kind of based on that

587
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,520
feeling and based on that idea 
of like, oh God, I've got this 

588
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,960
like annual plan that now isn't 
going to work because I've 

589
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,000
realized that my life doesn't 
really work like this. 

590
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,400
That's why I do very much 
appreciate the existence of like

591
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,000
6 month planners or even 
quarterly planners or whatnot. 

592
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,880
Especially if you're moving to 
something new or thinking about 

593
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,560
moving to something new, you can
do that kind of like ooch or 

594
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,880
test run of it rather than going
in and being like, cool, I'm a 

595
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,480
Hobonichi cousin kind of person 
now. 

596
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,480
I don't even know. 
Does is the Hobonichi cousin an 

597
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,080
annual planner? 
She knows nothing. 

598
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,000
She's not a Hobonichi person. 
That's like you jump in by this 

599
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,560
annual planner and then realize 
two weeks and you're like, yeah,

600
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,880
no, that's not going to work for
me. 

601
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,320
But if you had have done like an
Ooch or just tried it out for 

602
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,880
maybe a season or a quarter or 
six month period or something, 

603
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,920
you could have saved yourself 
the heartache of buying an 

604
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,120
annual planner that went pretty 
much untouched. 

605
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,040
Yeah, I think about that 
especially when I'm talking 

606
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,560
about and talking with people 
about starting bullet 

607
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,520
journaling. 
It's not a month thing that you 

608
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,520
try and realize it doesn't work 
out for you. 

609
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,320
I think it is at least three to 
four months worth of doing and 

610
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,560
trying and learning and really 
trying to figure out is this the

611
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,960
right thing for me before you're
like, it's just not working out 

612
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,400
for me. 
And and that's really important.

613
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,000
You make a fantastic point 
there. 

614
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Some of my favorite non bullet 
journals are just, you know, 

615
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,680
planners, I guess do that. 
We talked about like the night 

616
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,760
owl planner, for instance, 
right, like owl paper, they do 

617
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,000
half a year and then you can buy
both notebooks for a full year 

618
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,440
or just one. 
And that's six months of time, 

619
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,600
for instance, that you're 
putting into that and figuring 

620
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,360
out is this the right thing for 
me? 

621
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,960
And that way when you get to the
end, you don't feel as bad about

622
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,280
that investment if you are like,
no, this isn't right for me. 

623
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,480
So I'm, I'm curious, just like 
from your perspective, like what

624
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,040
do you think is that right 
amount of time before you're 

625
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,440
making that jump to say not 
working? 

626
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,600
I think it very much depends on 
what thing you're trying out. 

627
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,520
Like if you're trying out a 
monthly structure and you only 

628
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,320
give it a week, yeah, probably 
not like a sufficient amount of 

629
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,800
time because maybe that was the 
week from health, maybe that was

630
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,120
the week where all whole like 
everything went haywire. 

631
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,920
It was not like a good 
reflection of regular life for 

632
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,480
you. 
So of course trying to 

633
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,000
incorporate something new on 
that kind of period of time 

634
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000
isn't really going to, it's not 
going to work out, it's not 

635
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,400
going to happen. 
Whereas something like a weekly 

636
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,000
structure, if you give that a 
week and it doesn't really work,

637
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,000
then possibly you'll have more 
of a better understanding as to 

638
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
whether that's going to be 
something that does work moving 

639
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,480
forward or not. 
So I think that whatever period 

640
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,240
of time The thing is supposed to
be for at least two at a minimum

641
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,600
is probably my safest bet. 
Like if you use the same weekly 

642
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,080
structure two weeks in a row and
at the end of those two weeks 

643
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,920
you're like, yeah, no, nothing 
got done. 

644
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,680
I am a scatterbrained mess. 
I am behind on all my deadlines 

645
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,360
and my journal didn't help me at
all. 

646
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760
Then probably we will, or at 
least I, I would, I would make 

647
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,720
changes there. 
I would try something different.

648
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Similar idea for a monthly 
structure. 

649
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,080
If I try it for two months in a 
row and at the end of those two 

650
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,600
months I'm like, yeah, this did 
not fulfill the purpose that I 

651
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,880
gave for it, then I'd probably 
be looking for something 

652
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,640
different. 
It also kind of is like, do I 

653
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,960
need to change this in the form 
of like small tweaks like when 

654
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,080
we talked about before that idea
of rotate the tracker? 

655
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,520
Or is it do I need to change 
this in the sense of completely 

656
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,560
scrapping it? 
Because I'm maybe I thought I 

657
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,400
was like wishfully hoping that 
this was going to be something 

658
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,920
that I would use and would get 
value out of, but realistically 

659
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,280
I'm not. 
It's that idea of, you know, 

660
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,720
when you set yourself a goal and
you actually said it because you

661
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,800
feel like you should want to do 
the thing rather than you 

662
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,760
actually want to do the thing. 
Sometimes layouts and planners 

663
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,720
end up like that. 
I feel we put them in there 

664
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,880
because we feel like we should 
want to hydrate more and track 

665
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,000
our water rather than actually 
giving a toss as to how much 

666
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,920
water we in took during each 
day. 

667
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Yeah, it's one of those hard 
things to do. 

668
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,680
I think what makes it even 
harder is if it's a predated or 

669
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,000
even if it's just a planner that
already has the pages designed 

670
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,840
out for you, You are really 
dedicating yourself to those 

671
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,200
layouts. 
There was a notebook a number of

672
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,840
years ago and it's not coming to
my mind right now where you 

673
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,080
could kind of design it for 
yourself. 

674
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,280
Palette was the name of it. 
And so you could go onto their 

675
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,040
website and essentially you 
could design what you wanted 

676
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,040
your pages to look like. 
And then that way when you got 

677
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,520
it, it was exactly what you 
needed. 

678
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,720
And I remember like really 
loving this idea at first, I 

679
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,960
didn't totally love the paper. 
That's the reason that I'm not 

680
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,800
using it. 
But it was a really cool modular

681
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,680
way to approach it because it 
was like, how do you like to 

682
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,160
take your weeks? 
Do you like a weekly view? 

683
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Do you like to have space, which
is like grid layouts? 

684
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,880
Like what does that look like? 
And I just, I remember just 

685
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,000
being like this. 
Is it because it's so hard to 

686
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,280
find a planner that you love, 
especially if it's already pre 

687
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,320
made, right? 
That's why I love a blank 

688
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,080
notebook because I can make it 
what I want. 

689
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,200
But there are times, especially 
when you're going through that 

690
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,200
and you're trying to see if a 
layout works for you or you're 

691
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,640
just doing the same thing over 
and over again. 

692
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,520
I think that's the misperception
a lot of people get around 

693
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,960
bullet journaling or DIY 
planning is like, oh God, you 

694
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,480
got to draw the same thing out 
every single week. 

695
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,240
I personally feel like if you 
are drawing the same thing every

696
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,080
single week, there's probably a 
more efficient way to do that, 

697
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,080
making it yourself or again, 
working with someone else on it 

698
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,240
or just drawing it. 
You do your thing, who am I to 

699
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,800
tell you what to do? 
But the idea there is that there

700
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,640
becomes like an efficiency part 
of it. 

701
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,800
But yeah, when that efficiency 
part isn't working out for you, 

702
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,480
it does get hard. 
So I mean, that's my thing. 

703
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,160
Like you said, you're kind of, I
like the idea of like if it's a 

704
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,680
monthly thing, at least two 
months. 

705
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,520
If it's a weekly thing, at least
two to three weeks to see if 

706
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,760
it's working. 
I think just as a planner or 

707
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,400
notebook as a whole or a method 
itself, I'm in that boat where 

708
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,880
I'm saying like three to four 
months, give it a quarter 

709
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,720
because I really do feel like 
that's going to give you the 

710
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,440
most to really be like, okay, 
yes, this worked for me. 

711
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,040
No, this didn't work for me or 
this fits my lifestyle. 

712
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,080
I think that's something else we
haven't really kind of tapped on

713
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,520
just yet is like, I personally 
think that a planner or a system

714
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,120
has to also match your 
lifestyle, not just you. 

715
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Again, trying to fit yourself 
into this planner box of 

716
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,200
something that already exists. 
If that's not how you like to 

717
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,280
work or that's not how your life
is generally organized, it also 

718
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,840
isn't going to work out for you.
So it's like finding kind of 

719
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,440
that perfect little Cinderella 
moment of planner in person. 

720
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,040
No, it's very much that idea of 
like, what are the Goldilocks 

721
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,960
with the porridge? 
Like this journal is too hot. 

722
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,760
Hot damn. 
Mine usually is this tastes like

723
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,520
crap. 
I don't want to use this 

724
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,520
anymore. 
Throw it out. 

725
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,160
I'm going to go sleep in this 
bed over here because it has 160

726
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,720
GSM dot grit paper. 
I guess that's also a thing. 

727
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,360
It's like in thinking about why 
you might want to switch or what

728
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,920
isn't working. 
It's also like, is it a 

729
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,680
systematic thing like this is 
going to happen every single 

730
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,200
time I pick up this journal on 
every single page? 

731
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,080
Or is it more of like this one 
off thing? 

732
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,840
So if we're thinking about it in
terms of like DIY planning, 

733
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,360
bullet journal, that kind of a 
thing, is this a notebook I 

734
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,640
actually like, you know, does it
give me the good feel when I use

735
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,080
it? 
Does it have the right quote 

736
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,400
quote right kind of paper? 
Is the other pens that I'm using

737
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,880
actually going to work nicely 
and hear that kind of stuff? 

738
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Or if we're thinking about a pre
printed planner, like do I 

739
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,160
actually have enough space in 
the boxes that I have for each 

740
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,880
week? 
Do I have the right number of 

741
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,760
boxes? 
Like is it broken down too small

742
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,440
or too granular for me? 
Or is it kind of like, you know,

743
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,600
maybe the spaces are too large 
and I feel like I'm just wasting

744
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,480
a lot of space and stuff like 
that. 

745
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,960
Because if there are things that
are going to happen on every 

746
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,040
single page and there's not 
really a lot you can do to 

747
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,560
change it and doesn't work, then
probably you might want to jump 

748
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,720
ship and go find something else.
But make sure that you take that

749
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,000
information moving forward. 
Like if I was moving into a pre 

750
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,320
printed planner, there are 
certain things that I know about

751
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,480
myself as a planner based on my 
experience that I would be 

752
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,120
looking for. 
I would be looking for that 

753
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,960
thicker paper because I like to 
use certain materials that are 

754
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,440
going to, they're going to 
really test the paper out. 

755
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,520
I need to make sure it holds up 
because if there's ghosting and 

756
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,000
bleeding, I'm going to have a 
bad time. 

757
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,800
I know this about myself from 
past experience, though. 

758
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,640
I know that I prefer to have 
vertical layouts rather than 

759
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,840
horizontal. 
I know that I don't really like 

760
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,560
to have monthly trackers, but I 
do like them on a weekly. 

761
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,600
But I also know that I like to 
have about 10 things that I am 

762
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,720
tracking at any one point in 
time because when I build out a 

763
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,560
routine, I like to make it very 
stepwise as opposed to like 

764
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,680
little box that says morning 
routine. 

765
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,560
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, 
no, we're going to get out of 

766
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,840
bed this time. 
We're going to get to the 

767
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,400
exercise. 
We're going to have a nutritious

768
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,639
breakfast or like whatever. 
I like to be able to break it 

769
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,000
down in that way. 
I need the space to be able to 

770
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,639
do that. 
So if you're going to be jumping

771
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:20,960
ship, if you're jumping to a new
planet, make sure that you 

772
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,199
account for those things as 
opposed to just getting like the

773
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,560
shiny object syndrome. 
Like this is going to be the one

774
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,920
that changes everything for me. 
I'm going to get my life 

775
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,560
together. 
And then you get in there and 

776
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,120
you're like, yeah, I don't like 
that. 

777
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:34,920
Why didn't I think about that 
before? 

778
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Have you had any examples, Jess,
like where that's happened to 

779
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,360
you, like any specifics? 
I see. 

780
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,480
I guess the biggest 1 is just 
knowing that I don't like 

781
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,880
preprinted planners because I 
like to have flexibility. 

782
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,120
So every time I've tried one 
out, I get into it, I'm like, 

783
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,320
where's my flexibility? 
I'm like, Jessica, it's a pre 

784
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,639
printed planner. 
What were you expecting? 

785
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,040
But I think the one in 
particular was moving into or 

786
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,440
attempting to move into a 
teacher planner. 

787
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,200
Knowing that I do actually still
like to see the weekend, but it 

788
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
didn't have weekend spaces 
available. 

789
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,200
So I got in there and I'm like, 
I'm sure I can make my pace with

790
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,040
it. 
But if I had of kind of examined

791
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,000
it with a bit more of a critical
lens and been a little bit more 

792
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,320
honest with myself, I would have
been like, yeah, OK, no, you do 

793
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
like to have the weekend there. 
Even if it's not teaching time, 

794
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,600
you're still doing teacher 
related activities at that time.

795
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,040
So you want that space there to 
be able to record things. 

796
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,760
What about yourself? 
Yeah, the, the biggest one that 

797
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,600
has made sense to me, there was 
a pointed task planner that I 

798
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,960
love every single thing about it
and I, I really did, but the 

799
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,040
paper just wasn't working for 
the materials that I wanted to 

800
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,080
use. 
And so I was so dedicated to 

801
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,760
making it work that I actually 
started to just write in pencil,

802
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,800
which it was weird for me, but I
was, again, I was kind of like 

803
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,200
changing myself for the planner.
Now, I want to put this out 

804
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,760
there because I really, really 
do love Appointed. 

805
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,800
And I'm not saying it's not for 
everyone. 

806
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,640
It could be, but like the pens 
that you can use in there. 

807
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,440
You can use pens in there. 
And let me just throw that out 

808
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,840
there. 
But it just wasn't like the 

809
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880
really inky juicy ones. 
Definitely no fountain pens. 

810
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Like it was kind of all of that.
And also we talked about like 

811
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,520
that moment in time, I was 
really big and getting into 

812
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,840
fountain pens. 
And so in my mind, I was like, 

813
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,320
I'm using using fountain pens 
all the time. 

814
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,920
And I was just like, well, crap,
they're not working inside this 

815
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,400
planner. 
But I really like the way that 

816
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,240
this is structured and how it's 
organized. 

817
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,920
And so it was. 
And then what I ended up doing, 

818
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,360
not taking our own, I can do as 
we say, not as we do. 

819
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,200
I ended up starting another 
bullet journal and also keeping 

820
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,960
that planner at the same time. 
Because the other thing I didn't

821
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,520
like is it didn't have a lot of 
extra pages for collections. 

822
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,040
And I'm a big collections 
person. 

823
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000
And so it was like I was keeping
my weeklies over here at that 

824
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,680
point. 
I was also tracking my team's 

825
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,880
capacity inside of there. 
It was really doing all those 

826
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,520
things. 
And then all of my collection 

827
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,200
pages I was putting inside of my
bullet journal. 

828
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,560
And I did that for about 3 
months. 

829
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,320
And then I was losing my mind 
because I was opening the one to

830
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,240
write things down. 
I was like, well, wait, Then I 

831
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:10,960
had to go reference it over here
and it just got to be too much. 

832
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Like we talked about, it was 
like not enough room. 

833
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,160
I was trying to work on A2 
notebooks on my desk at a single

834
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,600
time. 
It did not make sense. 

835
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,200
And so I did have to like 
finally like kind of just like 

836
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,200
put that to rest. 
I still have it. 

837
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,560
Again, I still love the idea of 
it. 

838
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,040
And I actually took a lot of 
inspiration from that into my 

839
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560
bullet journal. 
It's actually what was the thing

840
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,440
that got me to switch between 
using just a regular future and 

841
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,720
creating a calendar future log, 
because I love that so much in 

842
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:42,320
that planner that I just brought
it into, and now I just make my 

843
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,120
own calendars in the front of my
notebooks. 

844
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,640
That takes a little bit of time,
some practice, some research and

845
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,160
development, but I figured it 
out. 

846
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,440
So it just took me a while to 
get there, but it was because I 

847
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,280
really did. 
I liked it so much, but it was 

848
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,440
just some lifestyle things that 
just they weren't making sense. 

849
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,680
One change that I know that I 
made fairly, I'm not going to 

850
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,880
say early on because it did take
me a decent long while, was 

851
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,800
moving from that vertical 
monthly log that's in the kind 

852
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,880
of like original bullet journal 
method kind of thing to ages 

853
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,240
calendar layout. 
Because I don't know why I had 

854
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,080
it in my mind. 
And I'm like, it's not a bullet 

855
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,360
journal if you don't use the 
vertical monthly log. 

856
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Oh, how naive she was. 
Oh, meets have a child. 

857
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,960
But eventually I'm just like, 
your brain just works better 

858
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,040
with an actual calendar view. 
Just draw the calendar view. 

859
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,280
I don't know why it took me so 
long to just like kind of bite 

860
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,920
the bullet and actually do it. 
I'm glad I did though, because 

861
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,400
it did wonders for actually 
being more organized, getting to

862
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,360
things when I needed to, keeping
track of these appointments and 

863
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,120
such. 
Because I'm not very good at 

864
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,360
writing multiple things because 
I'd always have multiple things 

865
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,280
on one day and then trying to 
write multiple things on one 

866
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,040
line. 
Will it? 

867
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,400
No, no, no, no, doesn't work 
good for my brain. 

868
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,400
I just needed something that had
like a little box say, oh look, 

869
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,320
this is Monday, these are the 
things that are happening. 

870
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Worked much better. 
I'm one bazillion percent there 

871
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,960
with you. 
I think the reason that we are 

872
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,600
all so much like that is because
when you do start with the 

873
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,880
bullet journal method, it is 
really ingrained in you that you

874
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,800
have to follow that method. 
And, and again, I, I throw this 

875
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,240
out there, it's not baiting you,
Jess. 

876
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,680
But the idea is though, that you
have to learn the method before 

877
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,920
you start to break the rules. 
At least that's how I like to 

878
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,200
look at it. 
So you have to try it that way 

879
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,240
to see if it works for you. 
But you do have to come to a 

880
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,200
point there where you have to 
say and you have to understand 

881
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,800
it is okay to change parts of 
that method for what you need 

882
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,760
because I did the same exact 
thing that you did for so long. 

883
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,080
I could open up all my notebooks
when I first started. 

884
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,640
You would see them not really 
used because of that exact 

885
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,080
reason. 
I need to write multiple things.

886
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,360
If it's someones birthday and I 
also have a doctor's appointment

887
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,920
on that day that will not fit on
a little A5 size line. 

888
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,960
I'm not going to abbreviate 
every word to try to make it 

889
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,800
fit. 
And I was just like why isn't 

890
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,160
this working for me? 
This isn't working for me. 

891
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,400
I need a different approach. 
So it's so funny to hear you say

892
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,280
that because for a really, 
really long time, I again, I 

893
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,280
stuck with it because I thought 
that I had to until I just gave 

894
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,280
myself their permission to be 
like, Mark, this isn't working 

895
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,480
for you. 
Change it. 

896
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,000
And was the same exact thing. 
And then once I did that, I 

897
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,920
never created another monthly 
blog page ever again because I 

898
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,920
just realized it wasn't the 
right thing for me. 

899
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,160
And so I just completely deleted
that part out of my method. 

900
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,480
I think that permission is a big
thing as well because we have a 

901
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,920
lot of people in the community 
who, you know, they'll jump into

902
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,840
the Facebook groups or the 
Discord service or anything like

903
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,320
that and they're like, oh, do 
you think I can? 

904
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,440
Am I allowed to? 
Would it be OK if I'm going to 

905
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,000
just say that if it is your 
planner and your planner system 

906
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,760
in your journal, you have 
blanket permission. 

907
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,920
Totally fine. 
You know, if you want to draw in

908
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,360
there with a watercolor pencil, 
go forth. 

909
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,480
If you want to, I don't know, 
engrave your things onto a stone

910
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,600
and use that as your like 
Tabernacle for the day of things

911
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,680
that you, you need to get done, 
more power to you. 

912
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,120
I don't have that kind of 
patience. 

913
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,840
At the end of the day, what I 
care about is that you enjoy 

914
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,520
using it and you're actually 
using it. 

915
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,240
So if it's doing the thing you 
have like assigned to it, if it 

916
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,120
has fulfilled the purpose you 
have given to it, props to you. 

917
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:05,960
Yay. 
Even if it doesn't look like 

918
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,440
ours, even if it doesn't look 
like somebody else's method, as 

919
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,040
long as it's working for you and
it's bringing joy, it's a good 

920
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,200
one. 
If that means you need to change

921
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,880
into a different planner system 
to do that, you again, have full

922
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,120
permission. 
Like if we think about it in 

923
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,440
terms of that kind of sunk cost 
fallacy, it's, oh, I spent money

924
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,400
on this and I've already spent 
time on this. 

925
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,840
You can't get that back, but you
can at least get back the time 

926
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,840
that you would spend in future, 
just like forcing yourself to do

927
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,960
it. 
You can get back the joy that 

928
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,720
you would not be able to feel 
because you're trying to force 

929
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,600
yourself into a system that 
doesn't actually really work for

930
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,040
you. 
So in in that kind of like space

931
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,720
of things, if you switch now, 
then you will have more joy to 

932
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,640
spend the future and more time, 
effort and energy to spend on 

933
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,160
other things because you're not 
like soul sucking yourself 

934
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,520
trying to work in a system that 
just doesn't work for. 

935
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:56,440
You and I think a really big 
point just to add on top of that

936
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,920
is that if it doesn't work out 
for you, it does not mean that 

937
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,680
you are a failure. 
It does not mean that like you 

938
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,480
couldn't make it work. 
It's just that it really wasn't 

939
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,600
right for you. 
And something you can do again 

940
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,840
to try to overcome that. 
That cost failure part is don't 

941
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,240
throw away that notebook. 
Now, if it is giving you hell 

942
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,400
and you hit it every second of 
it, you burn that sucker outside

943
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,600
in the fire pit, right? 
Like we don't have to hold on to

944
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,400
things like that if it gives you
that type of anxiety, but 

945
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,280
sometimes you can find future 
uses for those things. 

946
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,320
There's a number of those type 
of planners that I have. 

947
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,160
I actually think Kobenichi's are
probably the most used for this,

948
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,800
especially in like the fountain 
pen ink space where people are 

949
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,560
like, I'm going to use this, 
it's going to change my life. 

950
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,920
And then they get into and 
they're like, not really for me 

951
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,120
that actually has really nice 
paper in it. 

952
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,080
And so a lot of people will go 
ahead and start doing ink 

953
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,080
swatches inside of there or even
like using the calendar pages 

954
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,800
for like different things that 
they want to do with pens or ink

955
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,080
or drawings or doodles or 
whatever it is you can give life

956
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,240
to partially use notebooks. 
I have several of them on my 

957
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,360
shelf that I will just open up 
and be like, you know what? 

958
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,760
Today I'm doing some ink 
swatches inside of here. 

959
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,200
I haven't used this notebook in 
a while and it's fine. 

960
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,080
It's paper. 
I'm not going to throw it away. 

961
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,920
I'm still using it, maybe not as
functional necessarily as it was

962
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,640
intended to do, but I'm still 
giving it a second life. 

963
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480
And now again, it takes a little
bit to get here. 

964
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,240
We both are saying this to you 
after years of experience. 

965
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,000
So if you're the person who's 
just getting into notebooks and 

966
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,280
journals and different type of 
planners now, we're telling you 

967
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,440
that your future self would tell
you you're not failing at it. 

968
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,840
It just didn't really work out 
for you. 

969
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,640
You gave it a good try. 
You did everything you could to 

970
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,920
make it work. 
It just wasn't the right thing 

971
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,040
for right now. 
And that's absolutely 100% OK. 

972
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,280
I very much agree and I 
definitely think we're going to 

973
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,320
have to have a future episode 
about like those half used 

974
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,840
journals, notebooks, planners 
and such that we kind of 

975
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,880
realized weren't really for us, 
maybe not for that season or not

976
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,040
at all. 
But we'd love to ask you Planner

977
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,680
Pals, have you have you ever 
made a switch in your planner? 

978
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,280
Have you jumped planners to a 
completely different one? 

979
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,000
Have you made tweaks or changes?
What kind of things prompted you

980
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,480
to get to that point? 
What were the deciding factors 

981
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,960
that made you decide? 
Yeah, OK, it's time to make a 

982
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,520
change. 
Let us know either in the 

983
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,600
comments here on YouTube or you 
can hit us up at Instagram at 

984
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,200
Planner Pals Podcast, or you can
hit us up on e-mail at 

985
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,120
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com. 
You got them all, Jess. 

986
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,720
Good job I'm. 
Like did I? 

987
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,880
I'm like, I can't remember. 
We haven't done this for a 

988
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,280
while. 
Wow, our next episode is going 

989
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,080
to be so fun. 
It actually kind of piggybacks 

990
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,920
perfectly. 
It's almost as if we planned 

991
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,480
this. 
We're going to be talking about 

992
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,080
planner peace versus planner 
chaos and the ability to live in

993
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,400
both or one or the other and it 
being totally OK. 

994
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,080
So it's going to be a super fun 
episode. 

995
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,480
I can't wait to chat with you 
all about that next time. 

996
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,400
Just thank you so much for 
another fantastic conversation 

997
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,520
today. 
I think this topic was very 

998
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,200
good. 
I feel like at this time and 

999
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,280
moment in the world, we also 
needed some of this positive 

1000
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,480
affirmation in a world of not 
always getting positive 

1001
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,480
affirmation, especially on the 
internets. 

1002
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,560
Yes, we want this to be a 
positive space and we very much 

1003
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,240
value having you here, Flanner 
pals. 

1004
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,680
As always, thanks for watching 
and we're looking forward to 

1005
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,400
hearing from you.