1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080 Welcome to the Planner of Pals podcast, a podcast hosted by two 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,960 true planner of pals. I'm Jess or Jessie Curran. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,440 And my name is Mark and I go by Mark your pages. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,280 And today, Jess, one of my favorite episodes of the year, 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:16,280 Community Q and AI loved how you organized today's question. 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,400 So Jess is so smart and so cute about how she did it. 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,920 We organized today into planner pals and podcasts, so we'll be 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,200 going over different things about planners, all about 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,280 friends and pals, and then obviously some questions and 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,360 behind the scenes on the podcast today and just a good 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,400 conversation. It's been another fantastic 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,120 year, another just successful podcast here altogether. 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Like I've having so much fun. I hope that you still are too, 14 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,840 Jess. Yeah, and I definitely hope our 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,440 planner pals are having fun as well. 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,360 I mean, you keep coming back, so I assume you don't absolutely 17 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,040 hate us unless you're hate watching us, which like, we 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,960 appreciate you being here all the same. 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,920 And hopefully there's gonna be something in the future that 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,160 resonates more with you. But in terms of our questions 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,400 from the community, first of all, thank you so much for 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,040 leaving them. We love getting your questions. 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,720 We love getting your feedback and all of that. 24 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,480 And you guys certainly bought some questions for us. 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,840 We have quite a list. We will not get to all of them, 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,200 but we hope to answer as many as we can. 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,880 So Mark, first question, what do you want to ask? 28 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,520 All right. So the first question in the 29 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,320 planner section is what planner item or process are you leaving 30 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:25,880 behind in 2025? Oh, I, I don't want to like 31 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,920 count my chickens before they've hatched, but I kind of feel like 32 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,960 one of them is going to be not to an extent of like fully 33 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:36,520 eliminating it, but I'm going to say decorative planning. 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,080 I don't think that I'm necessarily going to eliminate 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,960 decoration altogether, but I do think that the decorative style 36 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,920 that I've been using, I'm going to be changing up more in favour 37 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,200 of something that's a little more minimalist, a little less 38 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,440 maybe sticker and washi tape heavy. 39 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Again, don't want to count the chickens before they've hatched 40 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,040 or whatnot, but I feel like that's kind of where I envision 41 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,520 my planning heading. What do you reckon for you? 42 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:01,480 I'm actually really interested in that for you. 43 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,520 Just think we've talked past episodes about you talking and 44 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,520 you've been going more and more into like this functional space 45 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,840 and less from the decorative except when you're having fun 46 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,440 with it. So I'm excited for you. 47 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,120 I think for me, I don't really know that I'm leaving a whole 48 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,840 lot behind. I really edited down this year 49 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,000 as a whole, you know, actually, no, I will. 50 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,320 I will put something out there. Been thinking about editing down 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,080 so many of my like regular pens that are behind me, my 52 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,920 stationary pens. And This is why I've just found 53 00:02:30,920 --> 00:02:34,400 that I've really kind of felt very comfortable with like a 54 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,200 select group of stationary this year. 55 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,000 A lot of it has to do with like fine liners and just like black 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,760 ink. All of my color and kind of 57 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,680 extra fun is coming from my fountain pen ink inside of my 58 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,440 bullet journal. But I've just been so like very 59 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,000 much focused on just like my weekly overviews and my dailies 60 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,520 and, and definitely kind of just, that's just where I've 61 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,600 been. Every now and again, I might 62 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,480 grab have a mild liner or a brush pen, but like I have so 63 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,160 much stuff behind me that I'm just not grabbing as often now. 64 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,920 And so I have to like almost force myself and like challenge 65 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:05,320 myself to do it. And I think instead of like 66 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,680 forcing myself into it, I might just edit that down a little bit 67 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,320 more, really focus a lot more on like what I'm using, having that 68 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,080 available and being fast and quick about doing it. 69 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,640 And maybe focus more on like stamps and like stickers and 70 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:20,400 stuff like that instead of drawing it myself. 71 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,760 I think that's probably a lot of where that's going to come. 72 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,040 So kind of editing down the pens for future things that I don't 73 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,200 know what will take up its space. 74 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,240 More ink. Probably more ink. 75 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,600 I think that's also like something that I try to be 76 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,240 mindful of in terms of my stash of supplies and whatnot. 77 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,400 Is am I keeping this because it's something I'm going to use 78 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,000 or am I keeping it because of like like wishful or aspiring to 79 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,480 kind of like use it at some stage? 80 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Oftentimes if it's in the wishful or like aspiring to use 81 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,120 it, it ends up making me feel more guilty than joyful. 82 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,240 Like sure, I enjoy having the stuff and I enjoy organizing my 83 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,240 pens and rainbow water and all of that kind of a thing. 84 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,000 But oftentimes then, when I cast 9 gaze upon the supplies, I'm 85 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,080 like, I really should use that. I want to leave behind shooting. 86 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,000 No more shooting, all right? If I'm not going to use it, it's 87 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 all good. Just let it go. 88 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Let it go for Philip's destiny somewhere else, and let go of 89 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,760 the guilt associated with hoarding things that I'm not 90 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,880 using. Yeah, I think that's very much 91 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,320 of my mindset right now as I'm moving into that. 92 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,160 I mean, one of the things I was looking at the other day, I was 93 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,720 like, oh, I need a pencil. I have like 4 mechanical 94 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,400 pencils, like nice pencils that are right in front of me. 95 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,520 I'm like, well, why would I turn around and just grab like a 96 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,800 little big mechanical pencil that I have like stacks of over 97 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,400 here just because I've been collecting them? 98 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:34,600 I was like, they're right in front of you. 99 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,440 I was like, I should just edit that down and maybe put 100 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,640 something else inside of there. And then the other day I was 101 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,360 going through it and I have like old glitter like flares for some 102 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,280 reason. I don't know why, how I obtained 103 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:47,760 them. I mean, they're cool, but I'm 104 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,600 not really using that. And so it's like another space 105 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,840 inside of my pen holder that maybe I could edit down. 106 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,240 I mean, I've got like a bucket like literally next to me. 107 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,720 I have an entire thing of pencils and I never grabbed for 108 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,920 any of these pencils ever. And I think they're fun. 109 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,680 They're cool. Like they're different shapes, 110 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,440 all of this, but like they aren't my go to. 111 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,360 Like I go and I grab for like my nice like metal ones now, you 112 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,040 know, like these clutch pencils are much cooler than like these 113 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,760 that are here. And so I think it is just for 114 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,720 me, like that's going to be kind of a big thing and it's kind of 115 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,280 going into the new year. I probably haven't after the new 116 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:25,200 year, honestly, but like going in with the mindset set of like, 117 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,360 let's use the nice things that we have as I'm maturing into my 118 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,480 stationary is what I'm calling it right now. 119 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,920 And like you said, let someone else love the glitter flares 120 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,440 because I'm not loving them right now. 121 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Exactly go let them fulfill their destiny elsewhere. 122 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,920 But another question we received was actually we received quite a 123 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,320 few questions around this, but the idea of journaling 124 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,160 consistency and making sure that you're getting into your 125 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,360 journals actually using them and such in particular around 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,200 building daily routines, possibly weekly routines around 127 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,920 them. So what would be your tips 128 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,040 around building journaling consistency? 129 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:59,320 Yeah, I think the biggest thing is having it out and open. 130 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,280 We talked about that barrier to entry, literally if you're 131 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:04,720 closing your notebook and you're not looking at it. 132 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,880 I know for me, having my notebook open on my desk as I'm 133 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,320 working is really important. I have it open when I leave my 134 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,640 desk. There are times definitely when 135 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,240 I have to close it, if it's like water or liquid or ink or 136 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,160 anything like that, that might be on the desk as a as a safety 137 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,240 mechanism for the notebook. But really just having that open 138 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,640 and right there I think is key. There are times where sometimes 139 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,200 I will like put it, I have this like little monitor riser that 140 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,440 has a space in it. And sometimes I'll put my 141 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,200 notebook in there and then I'll get like halfway through the day 142 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,440 and I'll be like, Oh my gosh, you haven't written anything 143 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,240 inside of your how are you functioning right now? 144 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,120 You haven't looked at your to do's like what are you doing? 145 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,920 I'm just like living out of my e-mail and I'm like, I have to 146 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,640 be mindful. I take it out, I open it up. 147 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,720 I'm like, you are here to be used like let's not do this 148 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,760 again. So that for me I think is the 149 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,200 biggest thing you can do is just having it out. 150 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,400 And then the other thing that I do is I just put time blocks on 151 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,040 my calendar for like 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes in 152 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:01,920 the evening. Mostly. 153 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,200 It's like before work is over, like the last 10 minutes of the 154 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,000 day. And that's where I actually sit 155 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,680 down. Everything else is off. 156 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,040 No instant messaging, no e-mail, no nothing. 157 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,840 And I just look at my notebook and I work it in 10 minutes, 158 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,040 read over the things for the day, go along my day, do the 159 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,520 whole thing and then my little pop up comes up at the end of 160 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,360 the day. I kind of just, you know, 161 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,880 download everything that happened, make sure I cross off 162 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,400 any tasks that were complete, and then really just kind of 163 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,440 take a look at what's going to happen the next day. 164 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,920 So I think for me, that's probably the best advice when it 165 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,680 comes to like making sure that you're using it. 166 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,080 How about yourself? I think that the main thing for 167 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,920 me when it comes to, you know, journaling consistently is 168 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,240 actually to question what consistently means. 169 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Because for some journaling, for some notebooks we're using, for 170 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,440 some planners or whatnot, the daily touch isn't necessary. 171 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,520 It's not actually what is needed for that notebook or for that 172 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,440 space. For my everyday journal. 173 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,320 Yeah, it's in the name. It's the everyday touch. 174 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,960 If I don't get in there on a daily basis, I usually start to 175 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,240 feel a little bit like a scatterbrained mess type deal. 176 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,160 Like me currently, who is the term raw dogging. 177 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,560 I'm raw dogging this day. I haven't written myself a task 178 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,040 list. I have no idea what's going on. 179 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,800 It's certainly a choice, but things are still happening. 180 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,960 Though I would prefer to have gotten in and actually written 181 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,760 myself a task list for that journal. 182 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,040 Yes, a daily touch is kind of what the expectation is in terms 183 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,600 of consistency, but there will still be days that I don't use 184 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:21,960 it. But that doesn't mean I don't 185 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,800 think of myself as like a consistent journaler or planner. 186 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,120 You know, oftentimes the times when I'm most likely to not use 187 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,000 it are going to be when I am busiest. 188 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,760 And I kind of just hope to give myself a little grace in that 189 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,240 situation. Like, yeah, you had a lot going 190 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,880 on, so you didn't touch your journal. 191 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:41,960 What I typically like to do to kind of combat that is set up 192 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,080 structures in my journals that mean that if I have time away 193 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,880 from it, it's not really super obvious. 194 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,400 That's why I use daily logs because I can put my daily logs 195 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,200 down for Thursday and then if I don't touch it on Friday or 196 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,640 Saturday and just get back to it on Sunday, it's cool. 197 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,720 There's no giant blank space being like you didn't use your 198 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,040 journal, you're a journaling failure. 199 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,800 Like I don't want my journaling or my planning to feel like 200 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,600 negative. I don't want it to fill me with 201 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,320 feelings of like, oh wow, I suck. 202 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,800 I didn't like get in every single day and use a type of a 203 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,000 deal. So I will set my layouts up so 204 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,280 that they do not highlight the periods is where I haven't been 205 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,880 there, which means that when you see flip throughs on my channel 206 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,360 and such, everything looks fairly consistent and filled in 207 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,440 and all of those kind of things unless it's a monthly tracker 208 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,920 because Jess versus the monthly tracker, like it's not going to 209 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,120 happen. But for those dailies, they're 210 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,880 all in there. They all look very kind of 211 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,240 complete and filled in and such. But if you go and read the 212 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,320 titles, there are definitely days missing just doesn't bother 213 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,840 me so much because I can't really obviously say that. 214 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,120 I think you're exactly on point and that was a real big thing 215 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,080 for me this year. I think you, I had mentioned 216 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,960 earlier in this year that like you don't have to necessarily be 217 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,160 in your journal every single day. 218 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,440 Like some days it's just not necessary. 219 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,680 So let's not make ourselves feel bad about it. 220 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,600 The most important though part is that you do come back to it 221 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,520 though, right? It's this idea that like day 222 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,520 one, like you're like, oh, I don't need it today. 223 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,000 I'm busy. I already know my plan. 224 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,640 Maybe you don't need it. But then when you're like day 2, 225 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,840 day three, and then suddenly it's just completely out of your 226 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,840 normal routine. And that's when it gets a little 227 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,600 bit dangerous because in our minds, we're like, well, we 228 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,960 don't need that anymore. More like we're good. 229 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,640 But exactly like you just said though, I think you start to 230 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,040 realize it when you start to like, listen to yourself that 231 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,960 you're like a scatterbrained mess and you're like, Nope, this 232 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,440 is not it. Like we gotta get back on track 233 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,960 100%. Yeah, and I also feel that like 234 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:36,600 if you do find yourself consistently not getting back to 235 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,840 it, like you're going days that you're not getting in and 236 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,640 touching and like checking in with your plans or whatever, 237 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,000 then it's just an opportunity to ask why like do a check in, say 238 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,280 like, OK, well what is holding me back from this? 239 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,320 Is it because I set up layouts I don't like? 240 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,640 Is it because the pen that I'm using takes too long to dry and 241 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,040 I feel like I don't even have the time to dedicate to letting 242 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,520 the ink dry. I just need to get in scrappy, 243 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,600 note things down and then get out type of a deal. 244 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,960 If you figure out the actual reason in behind whatever is 245 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,400 holding you back from getting in, doing your journaling, doing 246 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,400 your planning, then you can plan ways forward as opposed to just 247 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,400 being like, wow, what was me? I'm so inconsistent, like 248 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,560 nothing is good in my journaling practice. 249 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,360 Sure, wallowing in self pity and such. 250 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,640 It has a time and place, but oftentimes it doesn't 251 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,280 necessarily lead to behavior change that is going to be most 252 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,480 helpful for us. So probe a little further, dig a 253 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,880 little deeper. What is the actual reason that 254 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,520 you're finding it challenging? And then thinking about how to 255 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,360 address that, whether by changing up the supplies or the 256 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:36,760 out or making it easier or making it take less time or 257 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,280 anything else. Amazing advice, Jess. 258 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,720 This is why you're just, you're just the planner queen. 259 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,800 You're so on flight. All right, the next question is 260 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,400 an interesting one. We did hear a lot about this in 261 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,120 our previous episode that talked a lot about like the economy 262 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,880 right now. And this question was with the 263 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,320 current economy, how do I still plan but on a budget and keep it 264 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,440 looking beautiful? What do you reckon? 265 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,640 I reckon the decoration, like if we're thinking about decoration 266 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,480 as a form of beautification for your journal, decoration doesn't 267 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,880 have to be expensive. There are a lot of budget 268 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,520 friendly decoration sources. It's just whether using those 269 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,200 aligns with your personal preferences. 270 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,600 Like you know, you can jump on the T moos. 271 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,720 Yeah, I'm that person, the T moos and go and get your 272 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,280 stickers and such. You can jump on say it sites 273 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,840 like journal, say or whatever else, but you can also decorate 274 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,280 and make your journal look pretty without actually having 275 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,800 to use additional supplies. You can use the materials you 276 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,040 already have. And yeah, I'm thinking about 277 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,760 bringing back doodling kind of a thing. 278 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,760 You can do that because there are very simple, very 279 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,240 straightforward ways to decorate that are quite forgiving, 280 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,080 especially if you're drawing organic shapes where you don't 281 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,400 need perfect circles and perfectly uniform geometric 282 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,840 lines. Though having said that kind of 283 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,080 work in a journal, Oh, chef's kiss. 284 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,760 Some people do some absolutely beautiful things with just 285 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,000 straight lines. If you're the kind of person who 286 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,600 finds that even with a ruler you can't draw a straight line, 287 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,640 maybe that's not the decorative style you're going to tend 288 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,320 towards. But there are very simple, basic 289 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,560 tutorials online that you can follow for doing doodle based 290 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,600 decoration. Or maybe you can simplify your 291 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,080 planning. Go with something a little more 292 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,680 minimal, something that's really just like a black pen in your 293 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:20,720 notebook and focus more of your efforts in terms of decoration 294 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,760 or like aesthetics on just making your handwriting look 295 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,840 nicer. Because I don't know, there's 296 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,120 something very appealing about a well written list with nice 297 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,400 handwriting. Like I went through my Instagram 298 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,560 saves the other day because I was distracted and some of the 299 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:36,720 ones that I have in there, the handwriting gave me like the 300 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,280 cute aggression. I was like, oh, your handwriting 301 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,680 should be a font. I'm so angry. 302 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,280 Why is my handwriting so naff compared to yours? 303 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,760 Yeah. It's one of those things where 304 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,440 you have to really kind of just sit back and like really think. 305 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,120 I mean, one of the things we talked about was just shopping 306 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,680 your own stash. I mean, you already have the 307 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:56,040 items more than likely. So instead of going out and 308 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,600 buying more just to fulfill that need of shopping, just take a 309 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,240 look at what you already have and use that instead. 310 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,560 Maybe go and explore different ways to use something. 311 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:08,760 So like something that I still love to do is actually like if 312 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,560 you have a brush pen like the Tombos for instance, you know, 313 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,480 using them like watercolor is something that like I learned a 314 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,200 while ago and I thought this is so cool. 315 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,360 You just get yourself like pizza plastic or Saran wrap or 316 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,240 whatever, you put your marker on that and then you put a little 317 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,240 drip of water and then you can paint with the marker like 318 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,600 paint. So it's just one of those things 319 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,280 where you just find different uses for those things. 320 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,280 I would also say, you know, really invest in quality over 321 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,320 quantity. I talk a lot about this, you 322 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,960 know, with fountain pens, but I also talk about this when it 323 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,120 comes to like stamps. Now, again, pot, kettle, black, 324 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,720 I have a lot, don't get me wrong, but like if I was not 325 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,520 buying as much anymore, I would go and just be very particular 326 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:51,600 about the things that I'm buying. 327 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,400 Instead of just buying all of the things, I would take a look 328 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,320 and say, like, of these things, what am I going to use the most? 329 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,440 So like most of the time, if I had to kind of really rethink my 330 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,120 approach, I would say, OK, I know that I'm setting up weekly. 331 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,760 So I'm going to find a stamp that has really nice, like day 332 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,640 of the week font that I can stamp really nice and easily. 333 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,280 And then maybe something has like a little bit of decoration, 334 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:14,360 a shape, organic, whatever it might be, but just buy one of 335 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,640 those and then really focus on like changing those, stacking 336 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,720 them, you know, using different materials together. 337 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,600 That's how I would approach it, especially if I was on a budget 338 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,960 for myself. Just really taking a step, 339 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,280 looking at that. And if you have to, and I know 340 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,560 this is a really hard thing, unsubscribe from the stationary 341 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,160 emails. You know, like every time I get 342 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,840 an e-mail from one of those, it's like new sale, new thing, 343 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,200 40% off, you know, any of those. It might be difficult, but it's 344 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,680 a really great way to like just be like, Nope, I don't need any 345 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,320 more of this. I'm just going to unsubscribe 346 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,200 from now. And they'll be happy to have you 347 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,640 back later on when you're maybe in a better spot or the overall 348 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,360 economy is in a better spot as well. 349 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,520 Yeah. I also think that if you do 350 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,640 still want to acquire new things and bring them into your stash 351 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,880 to do, you know, decoration in your journal, beautify your plan 352 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,200 is all of that type deal. I would focus on materials that 353 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,240 you can use flexibly rather than something that is going to be 354 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,000 like a cool, I get to use this for like one week and that's it 355 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,080 type of a deal. So rather than buying a sticker 356 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,840 kit or something that has, you know, very set numbers of the 357 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,360 types of stickers that you have in there, it can really only be 358 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,480 used for a very finite period of time. 359 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Focus on getting things that have either like a larger 360 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,200 quantity that then maybe you could use over multiple months, 361 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,320 multiple weeks, or something supplies that you can use 362 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,040 multiple times like stamps. So rather than buying an 363 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,200 individual sticker of something, can you buy a stamp that you can 364 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,960 use effectively infinitely? You know, provided you're not 365 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,640 like hand fisting your stamp and like break it up to the second 366 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,160 use or something. Shrug. 367 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,040 Does that happen? Do people like crack stamps? 368 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,760 Can you crack a stamp? I mean, if it's old and like dry 369 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,920 rotted technically and if you're very strong, I mean, I guess 370 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,760 technically you could maybe RIP 1 1/2 or something like that. 371 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,640 But most of the time, no, you're good. 372 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,400 They're a polymer, they're rubber, They're acrylic, but not 373 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,720 hard acrylic. So like, you're usually pretty 374 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,200 good. All righty. 375 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,319 So yeah, go with stamps and don't be a ham fisted maniac 376 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,359 who's out there like punching their fist through their journal 377 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,319 trying to stamp things. But if you can have multi use 378 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,280 items, ones that it's like a buy once use multiple times, that 379 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,280 can also be a way forward for that. 380 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,599 If you had to set yourself a budget, I know that we got this 381 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,480 question. If you had to set yourself a 382 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,800 budget for how much stationary you were to buy in a year, what 383 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,640 would your budget be? Let's put some context 384 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,720 throughout this. This is things that I am 385 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,480 purchasing with my own money or things that I can like, use 386 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,480 store credit for and other things like that. 387 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,760 See, that's the tricky part, eh? Because I'm like, for me, I'm 388 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,080 like, I can spend none because store credit and stuff like 389 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,720 this. So if you had to spend your own 390 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,360 money, like let's just assume that you don't have store credit 391 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:50,120 anywhere, you don't have any like vouchers or anything like 392 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:53,200 that, and you had to set an actual stationary budget for a 393 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,160 full year, what would it be? Maybe $2000, which seems like a 394 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,920 lot. And the only reason I'm saying 395 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,640 that is like, I like to buy fountain pens throughout the 396 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,440 year, but I'm not buying them all the time, right? 397 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,000 And those can add up. I'm also thinking about just 398 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,240 like general materials that I also purchased like over and 399 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,840 over again that like restock and re stash. 400 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,400 And I also give myself a buffer because sometimes I'll come up 401 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,200 with like a brand new idea like you had talked about on one of 402 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,200 the last episodes, how you reorganized your entire stickers 403 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:27,160 into the albums. So I went ahead and I purchased 404 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,480 an album and all of the same things and reorganized all of my 405 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,880 stickers as well. And so like I needed a budget to 406 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,120 do that because it was a smarter idea. 407 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,720 That's kind of how it look. It seems like a lot, but I mean, 408 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:45,400 I, I guarantee I probably spend hopefully not that, but I 409 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,920 probably do. I mean, in the long run of like 410 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,920 all the different things that I buy for myself, but it's 411 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,840 probably also very different too, because like I would also 412 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,160 like put stuff into my studio in here as well. 413 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,360 So like extension cords and materials and cameras and 414 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:02,400 lighting and equipment and stuff like that. 415 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,240 I know that's not stationary, so maybe it shouldn't be a part of 416 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,920 that. So I'll just go with $2000. 417 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,680 I'm living that big life over here. 418 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,120 Big stationary life. Well, what I think for me, first 419 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,720 of all, I have to figure out the conversion in my head, quick 420 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,760 math. I can't do that and also have to 421 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,320 consider the shipping cost because in the assumption that 422 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,160 I'm not getting store credit or vouchers or whatever, everything 423 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,320 costs at least twice as much. Sweet. 424 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,760 So I think that like if I was trying to challenge myself, I 425 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,840 think that I could do a genuine low buy stationary year and 426 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,120 maybe spend like I'm going to say like 150 New Zealand. 427 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:43,440 So like, I don't know, 70 ish US, I could probably get away 428 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,360 with it based on what I have in my stash already. 429 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,720 Based on following my joy, though, I would probably bump 430 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:56,600 that up to closer to maybe 500 New Zealand, So like 300 ish USI 431 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,680 could probably, you know, comfortably get away with that. 432 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,760 I I know that at this stage in my stationary collecting life, 433 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,600 there's not a lot I need and I'm pretty happy with the stuff I 434 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,720 have. So it would mainly just be those 435 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,400 like, you know, one time releases from Archer and Olive 436 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,120 where they have the absolutely beautiful cover and I absolutely 437 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,440 have to have it. I've gotten to a point where I 438 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,640 don't let the FOGO get to me quite as much. 439 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,280 I can kind of appreciate the beauty of the item and not 440 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,320 actually purchase it for myself, but there's. 441 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,680 Probably going to be a couple of designs that come out next year 442 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,720 that I'm like Nope, Nope. The FOMO got me. 443 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,400 I'm getting that notebook. I need it. 444 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,840 Yeah, I'm definitely getting to the point now with a lot of that 445 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,760 too. Or I'm, I'm doing the same exact 446 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,800 thing with notebooks. I just realized like I just have 447 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,760 so many. It has to really be something 448 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,720 amazing. And I mean, I also, I just got 449 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,360 the subscription box for December that has notebooks 450 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,640 inside of it. So like it really is adding up 451 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:46,960 quick. I don't know, now that I'm 452 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,480 rethinking, I feel like $2000 is a lot of money, but I have to 453 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,280 like, but I get I'm only saying that much money because like 454 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,360 sometimes there are fountain pens that cost a lot of money. 455 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:58,120 I think we, I mean the one I was talking about for is like 456 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:01,280 $350.00. So like that right there blows 457 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,040 your entire year low cost budget. 458 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,920 I guess I'm not buying any new pens if I were to really keep to 459 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,200 it. But I mean, if I was really hard 460 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,280 pressed, I'm like really didn't have any extra money or anything 461 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,440 else like that. I could probably I mean I could. 462 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,680 I mean, I don't have to buy another notebook for at least 463 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,520 the next 30 years. Honestly, like I have more 464 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,560 notebooks than I could use markers. 465 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,560 I have plenty of ink. I would never have like a Tom 466 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Studio pen and all my ink. I would never run out of ink or 467 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,760 a pen to write with. So like I could go very low, I 468 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,440 guess if I needed to, but that would make me very sad. 469 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,120 Like what if Eric Small Things came out the new collection and 470 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:38,360 I didn't have any more budget because I was myself and I'm not 471 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,160 doing that to myself. Yeah, exactly. 472 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,920 We wouldn't want you to have like a missing part of your Eric 473 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,360 Small Things collection. I like to think of your office 474 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,080 as like a shrine to Eric Small Things. 475 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,280 I don't think you're quite like that level, but that's the way I 476 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,680 like to think of it. So like back behind me, if 477 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,240 you're watching on YouTube or Spotify, there is a shelf right 478 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,280 here. It's out of focus. 479 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,040 But all of this is just all Eric small things gear. 480 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,760 And I have a glass that's above it. 481 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,680 That's Eric Small things. I just actually placed an order 482 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,080 that has more stuff on the way. I love Eric small things. 483 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,040 I absolutely, I love it. She's amazing. 484 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,920 Too good. Our next question though, was 485 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,280 surrounding the idea of trending terminology in the planning 486 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,920 community. Specifically, what are your most 487 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,440 and least liked planning terms or phrases from 2025? 488 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,680 Do you have any that come to mind as ones that stick out as 489 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,600 like, yeah, I like that I use that versus absolutely not that 490 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,240 gives me heebie jibbies. One of my favorite that you said 491 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,680 earlier I think is this year. Last year was fussy cutting. 492 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:36,080 I don't know, that's just a very funny like thing. 493 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,920 And it's funny because I was about to buy, I guess I don't 494 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,320 know what's called a fussy cutter, but I saw one the other 495 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,520 day. There goes my stationary budget 496 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,520 and I was like, should I buy it? I don't need it. 497 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,440 I'm not, I don't fussy cutting anything, but like I want to 498 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,000 just cause Jess said it. That's probably my favorite term 499 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,160 that I learned this year. And my most unfavorite term is 500 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,200 overconsumption. I am over the overconsumption 501 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,040 conversation. I think that it is silly and I 502 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,920 think people just like to hate and they need to focus on the 503 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,440 themselves and I'm gonna stop before I get myself in trouble. 504 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,560 And us cancelled for saying something really nasty. 505 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,600 But that's the word I don't like this year. 506 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,600 Especially like as spoilers for our next episode, guess what 507 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,040 we're talking about in the first episode of next year. 508 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,960 But I think for me, the term that irks me and it's like it's 509 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,480 such a nothing thing to get irked about, but I still get 510 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,160 irked about it is the idea of waterfall tabs because they're 511 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,080 not tabs. Like not really. 512 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,720 They're waterfall Dutch doors, yes, but not really tabs. 513 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,040 Because if I'm thinking waterfall tabs, I would be 514 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,440 thinking of like individual little pieces of like card that 515 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,760 stick out the side of your notebook. 516 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,360 They go from top to bottom. So eventually just like it's 517 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,120 just a tab system, like it doesn't need the term waterfall 518 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:45,160 at all. It's just tabs. 519 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,920 But waterfall tabs, big quotation marks. 520 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,240 When you have a series of pages and the page that's like towards 521 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,280 the back of the journal is at full width, then the one that's 522 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,440 in front of that is slightly narrower. 523 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,200 The one that's in front of that is slightly narrower. 524 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,600 So that you have this quote waterfall of pages going like 525 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,120 from the start of the journal to the back. 526 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,720 You know, usually not for the entire of the journal, but for a 527 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,200 series of subsequent pages. And I, I think of it as 528 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,320 waterfall Dutch doors because that's essentially what you're 529 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,880 making. You're cutting down your page to 530 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,360 make what people would call a vertical Dutch door. 531 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,720 But I don't really see them as tabs. 532 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,920 So I get irked at the terminology of waterfall tabs. 533 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,320 The actual process of it though, I think it's very fun. 534 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,000 Like it's a good way to add some visual interest and decoration. 535 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,040 But the term I don't like it. You can't see my face during 536 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,960 this conversation. I am not going to lie, I don't 537 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,400 know what the hell you're talking about. 538 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,160 I've never, I don't even I, I know what a Dutch door is and I 539 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,520 know that I will never cut my paper to me. 540 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,160 I will do a faux Dutch door. Let's fold my little piece of 541 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,200 paper in half to make it look like a Dutch door. 542 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,680 But I do not know what you're talking about. 543 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,440 What the hell is a waterfall tab? 544 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,200 I just, I just feel like it's a piece of paper that's folding 545 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,480 down and you're setting that up for like a month or people are 546 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,880 doing this like their whole notebook. 547 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,400 They're cutting their pages by like 1/4 of an inch every page. 548 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,920 Typically you wouldn't do it for the entire of the journal, but 549 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,520 as like a piece of monthly decoration, you'd do it for 550 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,760 that. So maybe some people would do it 551 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,960 for an entire month that most of the time it's just for the kind 552 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,680 of start of month set up. So all of your monthly pages or 553 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,360 monthly collections or whatnot would be on this waterfall 554 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,040 system or whatnot. So you can kind of see this 555 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,280 panel of decoration down the side and you can easily flip to 556 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,000 the pages or whatnot. I mainly consider it to be a 557 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,360 decorative technique, then a really super functional one. 558 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,400 But I don't consider these to be tabs. 559 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,760 Like it's a waterfall of Dutch doors. 560 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,240 It's not a waterfall of tabs. I guess so. 561 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,080 If you say so. I don't really. 562 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:41,240 I don't. Yeah. 563 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,320 Well, that's see, that's why it bothers Justin, not me. 564 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,640 I I feel like I'm like not a planner person because I don't 565 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,320 know what the hell I think I've. I feel like I've seen it. 566 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,400 Maybe I just haven't known what it's called before. 567 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,920 Yeah. So you see like the first page, 568 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,120 pretty and then the second page, yeah, and then the third and 569 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,520 then the point. So yeah, you get to the side. 570 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,920 It's like, which you can barely say because Ding, Ding, Ding, 571 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,160 Ding, Ding, kind of the side. I don't know that I'd love that 572 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,320 personally, just like I don't like to cut my pages all 573 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,840 together. I think like I was saying, oh, a 574 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,240 Dutch door. No, the best thing that I 575 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,720 learned this year was a tip in and how to do those properly. 576 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,800 And that game changer for me. Never had to cut another piece 577 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,640 of paper in my notebook again. Fantastic. 578 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,760 Well, we definitely got a question about Dutch doors and 579 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,920 whether we were pro Dutch doors. I love a Dutch door. 580 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,360 I think Dutch doors are a lot of fun. 581 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,040 They're a nice way to add some kind of a, you know, visual 582 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,720 interest if you're doing it decoratively or can also be 583 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,640 functional. If you want to have more kind of 584 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,200 real estate on a page, but you don't need like a full another 585 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,200 page. Or if you want to set up a multi 586 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:46,200 spread collection but don't want to have to redo your title. 587 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,640 That's a great reason to have a Dutch door. 588 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,000 You just cut away the top of the page. 589 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,360 You put the title in once and then you just have the little 590 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,120 Dutch door that contains all the information. 591 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,200 Mark I take you are not pro Dutch door. 592 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,120 No, I, I, I've at each time I've ever done a Dutch door, I've 593 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,000 just folded my piece of paper in half because I don't want, 594 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,960 because it feels wasteful to me. That's why I would rather, if I 595 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,680 want to hide information or anything, I'll just fold my page 596 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,200 over to make it look cool. But like the last time I did a 597 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,280 faux Dutch door was several bullet journals ago. 598 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,880 And I think even one time I tried to do it because everybody 599 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,480 else was doing it. I think I used a stamp. 600 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,320 It was like a dog or something like that. 601 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,360 I forget. And then I didn't have a fussy 602 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:27,120 cutter, but I could have fussy cut it all the way around their 603 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,160 little ears. And then I did it. 604 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,760 I was like this to me was dumb. It was a waste of space, it was 605 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,720 a waste of materials. Like I could have written on 606 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,080 that extra paper, but that's just me. 607 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,560 And that's why I am anti Dutch door for reals. 608 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,760 I mean, I think it looks cool. Don't get me wrong. 609 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,240 I get I get why people do it. But at the same time, I'm like, 610 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,640 if you just use your index, you easily find those pages. 611 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,760 You don't got to cut away several pieces of paper. 612 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,960 And how do you plan for that? You know, it's like, how do I 613 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,040 know that I'm going to need that many pages cut for that topic 614 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,800 like that? Just that's just me, but let's 615 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,760 move on from that topic again before I get myself in trouble 616 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,400 with all of our planner pals. This next question was a really 617 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,240 good one just because I know you and I both probably suffer from 618 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,520 this at different varying levels. 619 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,480 I know other people do, especially if you have ADHD or 620 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,080 you feel as if you might have it. 621 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,920 Time blindness. Someone asked a question on how 622 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,200 do we deal with time blindness and if we had any tips for being 623 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,000 less blind time. I think that for me it depends 624 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,240 on whether you're thinking about like macro time blindness or 625 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,880 micro time blindness because I have different techniques for 626 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,640 either of them. So with macro time blindness, 627 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,760 this is mainly adjusting her eternal beef against the monthly 628 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200 calendar. She cannot even because you 629 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,880 know, you want to do something in the middle of the month, but 630 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,240 then this month has this many days. 631 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440 So the middle of the month is at this number day, but then that's 632 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,320 in the middle of the week and that's not an opportune time to 633 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,600 do the thing. And it just, it irks me. 634 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,360 So in terms of that one and tracking the passage of time, I 635 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,240 don't like months, I like cycles. 636 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,360 So a cycle is a four week block means that each of those weeks 637 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,040 is 25% of the block of time. It's a lot easier to kind of 638 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,760 compare where in theory I would like to be up to with any goal 639 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,920 or project compared to the time that I have in that cycle. 640 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,760 I really love that. That's for my macro time and 641 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,960 macro planning. That and quarterly planning, 642 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,720 love quarterly planning. But when it comes to kind of 643 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,960 more micro time blindness, I just love the power of a visible 644 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,880 timer. Like actually being able to see 645 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,680 the time passing is really helpful. 646 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,560 So sometimes I will set myself a timer on just like a YouTube 647 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320 watch page. I actually have some on my 648 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,760 channel in an unlisted folder of just different time spans and 649 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,360 timers for things. So like a one minute, a 2 650 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,440 minute, A5 1/2 hour, like all of those type of things. 651 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,880 But Vogel also got me this little desk timer, which has 652 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,600 different time amounts on the side. 653 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,600 And you just kind of flip it over to whatever time span you 654 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,440 want, have that pointing up, and then it just starts counting 655 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,360 down for you. And you can set it so that it 656 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,040 makes noise. I don't like it to make noise, 657 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,200 so I just have the time counting down for me. 658 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,960 And at the end it's just like and scares the crap out of me 659 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,640 but reminds me that hey, time is passing and you should be aware 660 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,160 of it. I was going to say, yeah, I have 661 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,080 a very similar 1. I actually almost bought the one 662 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,040 that you have because I was like, oh, that's cool too. 663 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,040 I would say that like as a person who has, I literally have 664 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,880 multiple timers in my life. So like I have my little tick 665 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,280 timer as what this one's called. Same deal. 666 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:28,280 It has, what is it, 351025, 3015, I think that's all of 667 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,560 them. And yeah, you just turn it to 668 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,720 the time and it counts down. I don't look at it when I count 669 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,640 it down, even though it does do it. 670 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,920 I use this all day long with work because I am the person who 671 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,480 will be like, oh, I've got like 20 minutes until my meeting and 672 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,080 I'll go and like pay attention to something else and then 673 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,360 completely forget that that meeting's there and then I'm 674 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,240 late. So anytime that I do that, what 675 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,400 I do with it is I have 20 minutes until my meeting. 676 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,840 I set a 15 minute timer, it goes off. 677 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,520 I just join am I meeting early and I'm already there. 678 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,480 That's a really big thing for me. 679 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,000 If I what I really know is for myself too. 680 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,640 This year, especially like getting officially diagnosed 681 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,280 with ADHD is like, oh, turns out you can't accomplish a 30 minute 682 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,160 task in 15 minutes, right. I mean, it's a wild concept. 683 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,240 I know right? But for me is like, and, and, 684 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,040 and I'm I'm saying this is like, if you feel as if you really 685 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,080 have a problem with it. And this is the thing and it was 686 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,160 for me like this is years and years of issues with it where I 687 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,960 was like, this is causing a problem in my life. 688 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,000 I went ahead and got officially diagnosed and it turns out that, 689 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,280 you know, ADHD admits help you a lot with that. 690 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,920 So like I've now like, it really is helping me a lot where your 691 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,320 brain suddenly like realizes that you can accomplish 692 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,760 something that's going to take 30 minutes or more and less 693 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,680 time. Just like, Oh no, I'll just do 694 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,240 that right after I do this thing and I have the time to do it. 695 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,560 So that like was super helpful for me. 696 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,800 So, but I'm not like telling you like go get diagnosed or take 697 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,600 medicine if you have time blindness, like use a timer 698 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,000 first, like baby steps, multiple timers if you need to. 699 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,640 And then the other thing for long term time blindness, I 700 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,800 guess, and really that I just put everything in my calendars 701 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,880 all the time, everything possible. 702 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,040 So everything goes on my calendar. 703 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,000 And something new I've been doing for myself is if I have an 704 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,960 appointment that's at 9, AMI will set my timer for 8:30 but 705 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,280 in the title put the time of my appointment. 706 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,400 So that way I'm leaving 30 minutes early preparing myself 707 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,560 to get there on time. Whereas usually I'm like alert 708 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,160 for 9:00 for 9 appoint 9:00 appointment. 709 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,280 Oh crap I'm late. I haven't left the house yet. 710 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,600 So like, that's been little like tips that I've been doing for 711 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,480 myself. Yeah, I'm definitely the kind of 712 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,600 person who if I have an appointment on my calendar, I 713 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,400 will also book in the travel time as a separate thing. 714 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,960 So I can say like, OK, here's the appointment in the time slot 715 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,160 the appointment will actually be. 716 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,600 But there is a block of time right before it that just says 717 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,560 travel. And I've got like a travel color 718 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,560 on my calendar. So all of those are color-coded 719 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,160 to say like you need to get to the place to do the thing. 720 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,320 I loved your point about, Oh yeah, I've got a meeting in 20 721 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,800 minutes, so I'll just go and do this thing and then, you know, 722 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,200 get distracted or whatnot. Whereas I'm the kind of person 723 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,800 who's like, I have a meeting in 20 minutes, I can do nothing. 724 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,000 Nothing is possible. 5 minute task. 725 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,960 No, I won't. I won't even look at you. 726 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,440 I have an appointment at 3:00 and it's currently 10. 727 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,080 AMI can do nothing. I have to just wait around for 728 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,160 this 3:00 appointment. It's like my brain won't let me 729 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,120 get into anything just on the off chance that I might get 730 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,160 distracted and miss it. Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a real 731 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,000 problem. Hopefully these tips are helpful 732 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,760 for you and your time blindness and definitely other people 733 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,040 share, you know, in the comments too, as we go through with this. 734 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,960 Like if any of you have solutions, let us know. 735 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,480 We literally our our comments section sometime is just self 736 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,720 help. Honestly, it's the help desk for 737 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,400 your life. All right, well, we've talked a 738 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,960 lot about the planners and going in there. 739 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,920 We definitely don't want to skip over our pals. 740 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,640 Suggest you want to pick up the first question we have from our 741 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,760 pals. All righty. 742 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,160 So one of the questions that I thought was fun, especially 743 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,920 around this time of year where people are all getting there 744 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,480 like YouTube wrapped, was who are some of your favorite 745 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,280 channels or creators to watch on YouTube, whether they be 746 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,520 planning related or other interests? 747 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,120 Did you get your top five? Did you look through them? 748 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,920 I'm Dallas. I am my most watched YouTube 749 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,679 channel. Were you in the top like .1% of 750 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,000 viewers? Well OK so my top five was 751 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,880 myself so mark your my number 2 was Call Her Daddy because I 752 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,320 love the celebrity interviews and those are like 2 1/2 hour 753 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:36,400 long episodes #3 was the Porterhouse podcast. 754 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,840 It's too good. I love that you're like our 755 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,719 biggest supporter, Mark. Thank you. 756 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,040 Well, sometimes I forget what we talk about. 757 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,000 I mean, that's fair. We do go on a lot of tangents. 758 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,159 And then after that, I think it was like new rock stars and 759 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,920 maybe Screen Crush. Where were the other ones? 760 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,840 And probably a lot of stuff on Marvel Rivals. 761 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,200 I play a lot of Marvel Rivals, so like a lot. 762 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,320 I watch a lot of content on those creators. 763 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,640 So like those are mine. I would say, you know, it's 764 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,840 always funny. We talk about this a lot with 765 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,800 like other people that we watch and clearly I'm too busy 766 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,360 watching myself and us to watch anybody else's content when it 767 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,800 comes to planners. But sometimes I will like pop on 768 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,280 a video. I'll go through and scroll and 769 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,880 be like, I haven't gone around enough and done this. 770 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,040 So like I will watch a lot of Julia here's content because I 771 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,360 love her fountain pen videos and how she swatches and all of 772 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,360 that. Another one I watch is Rachel. 773 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,080 In theory, every now and again I'll pop back onto her channel 774 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,400 because she has some really interesting videos and really 775 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,800 interesting topics that she talks through to something just 776 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,440 it's inside of the planner space, but it's not like bullet 777 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,080 journaling. It's very different. 778 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,120 So and also I know like she works a regular full time job as 779 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,880 well. So like she's utilizing that and 780 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,520 I do too. So like I would say like in the 781 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,080 planner space and like fountain pen space, it's those. 782 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,840 So like I would say like those are there. 783 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,880 I'm really into like Job's journal as well. 784 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,040 I'll watch his just because he's like traveling around the world 785 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,440 and like stuff like that. So I I peek in and out. 786 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,400 I don't like watch anybody hardcore really. 787 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,840 Amanda Rachel Lee Sometimes I'll pop into hers too, if I'm just 788 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,840 thinking about journalers. Jess Obviously, like I'm not 789 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,400 just watching you Implanter bowels, but I will watch a lot 790 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,960 of your stuff, especially when you're setting up like some new 791 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,200 cool journal. I know like your life journal 792 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,080 that you gamified still is like such a cool one, but also you 793 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,160 just have such great tips as well. 794 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,520 So really I would say those are it for that. 795 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,400 And then gaming like Swanee plays games as a channel I watch 796 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,520 a lot of because he talks about a lot of the games that I like 797 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,960 too and I like his style. There's probably 1000 other ones 798 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,040 that I will watch like for the video itself, but then not 799 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,240 subscribe. It takes a lot for me to 800 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:50,360 subscribe to a non journaling channel to really be like Oh 801 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,960 yeah I want more of your content versus just searching for it. 802 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,120 How about yourself? Yeah, in terms of journaling 803 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,360 very much, Well, I watch every release from you because I'm a 804 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,520 supporter like that. I will watch everyone of Aaron's 805 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,520 releases. I used to Erin, Erin Smith that 806 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,440 is. I used to watch a lot of journal 807 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,080 content, but nowadays I've found my interests have kind of just 808 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,040 shifted a little bit. So I don't really watch as much 809 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,080 journal content as I used to. But in the kind of journaling 810 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,880 planning space, I do watch Sarah, Sarah Cannon and Heart 811 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,960 Breathings. She has two channels so I watch 812 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,720 pretty much every release from her as well. 813 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,600 Even the ones that are about like being an author and 814 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,960 publishing novels and such. I'm like, I have literally 0 815 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,200 intention to write a novel, but I will watch it anyway because 816 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,680 again, she's, she's good. I want to support her. 817 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,200 But then in terms of other interests, I feel like I've 818 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,160 really kind of branched out in terms of my other YouTube 819 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:44,320 related interests this year. And one of those was the 820 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,040 influencer Insanity series from Hannah Alonso and got completely 821 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,240 suckered into that. Watch every episode of that. 822 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,480 But typically speaking, her channel is about MLM's, multi 823 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,200 level marketing and such and stories that people have as 824 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,360 related to those and kind of deep dives into the payment 825 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,600 plans of those MLM's and all of that kind of thing. 826 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,760 So I've just been watching a bunch of that. 827 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,840 That was really interesting for me this year. 828 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,800 And much to your dismay, also over consumption content. 829 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,640 I have definitely been watching a lot of that. 830 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,240 So Shauna, I think I'm Shauna Apari. 831 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,920 I'm probably saying that wrong. I probably said her first name 832 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,040 wrong. Apologies, not Shauna. 833 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,160 I, I will learn your name, I promise. 834 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,360 But I've been watching a lot of her content as well. 835 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,800 And then just other kind of like random bits and pieces around 836 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,840 overconsumption and kind of like TikTok overconsumption in 837 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,400 particular and a whole bunch of like rage bait videos. 838 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,760 I've learned a lot of really good terminology surrounding 839 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,840 TikTok this year. For somebody who doesn't go on 840 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,800 TikTok a lot, I feel like it really opened my eyes to that. 841 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,160 But outside of those, for the most part, YouTube is just like 842 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,640 a learning tool for me. So oftentimes I won't 843 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,120 necessarily watch a specific creator. 844 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,320 I will go to YouTube with a specific problem or area of 845 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,680 interest or something like that, and then watch like effectively 846 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,240 give myself a little deep dive by watching a bunch of things 847 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,040 about that thing. But yeah, in terms of top 848 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,520 channels, it'll be you, Aaron Smith, Hannah Alonso, Those 849 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,760 would be like my main 3. That's awesome. 850 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,360 Yeah. There's a lot of good stuff out 851 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,560 there and I'm similar. I mean, I listen to all of mine. 852 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,800 I don't watch them as much as I listen to them, so I almost do 853 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,560 kind of treat them like an audio podcast of videos. 854 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,200 So that's what I do. A lot of I'm taking like a long 855 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,480 drive or somewhere far like 20 minutes, you know, most videos 856 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,360 are usually under that unless it's like a super long podcast 857 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,000 episode and I'm like listening to it for days when I'm in the 858 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,320 car. But yeah, it is just sometimes 859 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,240 just like that's how and where I'm consuming a lot of that kind 860 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,840 of stuff. Like I have to also be in like a 861 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,320 mood, you know, to like, really sit down with the video. 862 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,880 That's why I also really appreciate like all of our like, 863 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,480 individual followers, like on each of our own channels. 864 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,360 And also for this one, like, to sit down and like watch a video 865 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,080 from somebody. It means a lot. 866 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,880 Especially like I'm sitting here like I don't want a lot of that 867 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,880 type of content. But I think it's also because, 868 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,960 like, you and I are also making the content, you know, So like, 869 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,920 I'm so over enamored with like, notebooks. 870 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,920 Some planning systems and ways to do it and I'm always like, 871 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,000 what about something different? So like taking like a break from 872 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,040 that main content. Like I said, even though like 873 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:14,160 Julia talks about journaling and her pens, I'm watching mostly 874 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,000 her like pen videos and inks because like I said, they're 875 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,480 beautiful, but it's also like a break from like the everyday. 876 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,000 So I always again, big shout outs to everyone who follows and 877 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000 listens and watches and comments because like you're the real 878 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,800 emojis and we love you. All right, this Next up, the 879 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,080 really good one, just I'm just going to read it word for word 880 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,120 because I won't be able to paraphrase it. 881 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,680 When you guys met in person for the first time, what were each 882 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,600 of your apprehensions, expectations, fears, doubts, 883 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,960 etcetera of the friendship that you had and of them like, were 884 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,440 you afraid you would end up not liking them as much? 885 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,440 I'm always more afraid that somebody's going to like not 886 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,840 like me as much, if that makes sense, because I have been 887 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,760 proven time and time again throughout my life that I am an 888 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,120 acquired taste. And I'm certainly not 889 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,560 everybody's cup of tea. So I'm always worried that 890 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,600 people are going to get like the wrong impression of me online 891 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,640 and then meet me in real life. And they're like, oh, what a 892 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,000 disappointment. So I think I was probably more 893 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,440 concerned about that. Also I just like didn't realize 894 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,280 how tall you were. I know mine was going to be. 895 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,440 I didn't realize how sure you were. 896 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,840 I think like when we met for the first time in DC, I was like, 897 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,240 oh, there's Jess. Oh my God, she's so little. 898 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,080 Oh. My God, who's that tower over 899 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,360 there? Oh my God, it's Mark. 900 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,800 Yeah. I mean, I would say for us, I 901 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,280 mean, I feel like we've talked so much and like have known each 902 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,000 other. I mean, I think I've mentioned 903 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,280 it before, like when we didn't know each other as well, like 904 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,600 we, we weren't like super close. I basically was like, Jess is 905 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,080 going to want to do nothing with me. 906 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,160 She's this giant Instagram and YouTube account and she's like 907 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,280 doing it right. And she's this giant influencer 908 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,640 and all these great things like that. 909 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,760 And I was just this little baby account and I was like, nobody 910 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,760 wants anything to do with me. But the great thing is that good 911 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,200 people that are in this community will blow you away. 912 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,080 Like that's just kind of how people are. 913 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,800 Is like you can just if it, if it's right and you can have an 914 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,800 actual genuine conversation. I think that's the other thing 915 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,920 is like, whether you're talking to someone who's an influencer 916 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,000 or bigger on YouTube, like just having a normal conversation is 917 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,360 like the best part about like a day today. 918 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,400 Like I, I really appreciate that because that's I think how our 919 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,520 friendship started. Just like back and forth and 920 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,240 things like that. I don't know about like 921 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,360 apprehensions, but like things that I thought like, I mean, 922 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,680 what I've always appreciated about you, Jess, is that you are 923 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,400 very like blunt about things. Like if you don't like 924 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,480 something, you don't, you don't, you know, you don't beat around 925 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,640 the Bush. Like you just like, Nope, I 926 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,280 don't like that or I don't believe that or that's not the 927 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,640 way that I think where like I'm a people pleaser. 928 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,600 So I'm like, oh, you like that? That's great. 929 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,560 And meanwhile I'm like, oh God, how do I go to this 930 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,360 conversation? This is awkward and weird. 931 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,120 So that's just something that I've really appreciated. 932 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,960 But I also kind of knew a little bit of it to like my 933 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,880 apprehension was like, is Jess going to like me is because I 934 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,240 talk a lot I can be annoying and I know that like it's a very 935 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:04,160 self aware thing. So like how do I find ways to 936 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,960 balance that and not piss Jess off? 937 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,080 Because the last person that would ever want mad at me would 938 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,320 be Jew because I feel like I would like my soul would be 939 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,520 burning and I would feel so bad even if I didn't do anything 940 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,640 wrong. Like I would just be like, how 941 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,160 did I make Jess about it? And she'll never forgive me. 942 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,120 And she'll hold this grudge for the rest of her life. 943 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,120 Yeah, she's stubborn like that. She's she's very good at being 944 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,520 stubborn like that. But I do at least appreciate 945 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,520 that we kind of have the same apprehension of like, oh God, 946 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,920 what if we're annoying but like, not if the other person's 947 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,440 annoying like us individually. What if I am annoying? 948 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,720 Definitely always a concern point. 949 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,600 I also appreciate that you think I'm blunt. 950 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,640 Maybe I'm just blunt for you because I feel like you need it. 951 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,560 Yeah, no. And, and that's the thing, all 952 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,640 of the people in my life that are like that probably out of 953 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,680 necessity, like, and I also tend to gravitate towards people who 954 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,840 are my opposite, like one of my best friends at work, he I 955 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,240 called him my opposite. Like I was like, type a woo, big 956 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,000 ideas, all these things. And he was like, cool, Mark, now 957 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,440 let's go ahead and focus and let's write this on the 958 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,920 whiteboard and break this down into steps of how we're going to 959 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,240 accomplish this thing that you have these big ideas about. 960 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,120 And that's also why I think you and I are friends because you do 961 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,560 the same thing with me where I'm like, want to do a podcast and 962 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,880 have some fun and talk about stationary. 963 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,720 You're like, sure, what's your business plan? 964 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,920 How will this work? What are your expectations from 965 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,360 me? And I'm like, Oh yeah, good 966 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,320 questions. Well, they're supposed to be 967 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,880 planning in the planner. Podcast. 968 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,960 Nobody signed me up for that. That's ridiculous. 969 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,480 Well. Regardless of our apprehensions, 970 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,000 even. If it was just about us coming 971 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,560 off as individually weird, I'm just glad that we actually got 972 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,040 to meet up because there's always something very special 973 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,240 about getting to meet your online friends in person, and 974 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,840 given that I live where I live, that opportunity does not 975 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,120 present itself very often. We did definitely get a question 976 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,600 about planner made UPS though. Have you guys ever been to a 977 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,480 planner made-up? If yes, how was it? 978 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,280 If not, how do you feel about the idea of it? 979 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,240 Well, yes, have been to a planner made-up. 980 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:05,360 Have organized some either in like kind of city or whatnot. 981 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,160 Some of them have been more successful than others. 982 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,440 I I always love it when you plan to meet up and you have a whole 983 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,800 bunch of people RSP like, yeah, I'm gonna be there. 984 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,320 And then you show up and nobody's there. 985 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,200 You're like, well, I guess I'll just have a day out by myself. 986 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,800 Thankfully it was not that bad. I actually had other planner 987 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,880 friends come with me and we're like, OK, cool, nobody else 988 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,560 showed up. We will just have a day by 989 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,920 ourselves going and doing things that we want to do. 990 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,880 So that was cool. But pretty much anytime I 991 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,840 travel, in particular if I travel to go wild or something 992 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,000 like that, I do try and organize some kind of planner, meet up 993 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,920 with people who are there because I know that we do have 994 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,520 an international community and it's always nice to be able to 995 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,200 meet planner of house in the wild. 996 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,880 So that is something that I try and prioritize. 997 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,080 It's just the hardest thing for me is figuring out where to meet 998 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,400 because you don't necessarily know how many people are going 999 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,000 to be there. And there are a lot of 1000 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,960 considerations around like, you know, time of year whether 1001 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,280 whether we can all sit together. Do I have to buy food if I'm 1002 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,480 going to be there? If people do have to buy food, 1003 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,040 is it the kind of thing you can split a bill? 1004 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,640 Because as much as I love my plan of powers, I don't really 1005 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,920 want to foot the bill for all of your food if we're going to be 1006 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,280 eating. So that's always a kind of 1007 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,520 concern point for me. But, and in general, I do love 1008 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,080 planner made UPS. It's just nice to get to hang 1009 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,480 out with people who are enthusiastic about the same 1010 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,360 things as you are, even if, you know, we're all from different 1011 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,920 walks of life. We all have different kind of 1012 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,520 backgrounds and whatnot. But that shared love of 1013 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,360 something is a really good kind of basis for potential 1014 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,920 friendships. Yeah, mine. 1015 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,080 I the only thing I've ever come. Close to has been go wild as 1016 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,960 like a planner meet up kind of thing and going to like the one 1017 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,600 that you planned. Cuz I don't I don't do anything 1018 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,840 like that usually like it's out of my day today. 1019 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,040 So I think for me, like it's very cool. 1020 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,560 I would like to do more of them. But honestly, like in my normal 1021 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,040 day-to-day life and job with like a family and all of that, 1022 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,880 like it's just not like a major priority. 1023 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,680 There are some like Baltimore meet ups and like DC, Virginia 1024 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,080 and things like that. But I don't think I would travel 1025 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,560 far for that. I don't feel like I'm doing 1026 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,120 anything maybe substantial with my journal that like I would 1027 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,920 need to do something like that, you know, or like get those 1028 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,920 ideas. I feel like between the stuff 1029 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,360 I'm already researching, doing myself and then for some of the 1030 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,720 stuff that I'm seeing online, like I'm getting those ideas 1031 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,400 that way. I'm a social person. 1032 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,080 Don't get me wrong. Like I, I love meeting people. 1033 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,680 I love meeting up and doing all of that. 1034 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,160 But other than go wild, I've never been to 1 and I don't know 1035 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,720 if I would ever like really plan 1. 1036 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,560 And like I, I, well, I mean, the closest thing I got, I did teach 1037 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,040 a class one time on bullet planning. 1038 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:43,360 So avoid that copyright. And so I did do that. 1039 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,560 So like technically a meet up, but I was teaching. 1040 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,240 I wasn't, I mean, we didn't talk and we drank coffee and ate 1041 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,640 Donuts, but like it was more about like a session or a class, 1042 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,080 less about like a meet up, even though we did like talk and 1043 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,280 share about those things. So that's probably the closest. 1044 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,680 I feel like I've come. Yeah, I know that in Melbourne 1045 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,600 in. Particular they have a kind of 1046 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,880 monthly plan, a meet up that they book through the library. 1047 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,280 So everybody brings their plan of supplies and such and you 1048 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,960 know, it's just very chill and whatnot. 1049 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,520 That's a really great way to build community if you want to 1050 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,480 start, you know, having community connections in your 1051 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,560 area around the love of planning type of a deal. 1052 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960 But I guess it really just depends on personal kind of 1053 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,680 like, you know, preferences when it comes to the amount of social 1054 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,440 connection you need and the nature of that social 1055 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,640 connection. Like if you're finding that 1056 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,360 you're kind of circle of friends, you don't have people 1057 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,560 who have the shared interest of planning or the kind of like 1058 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,640 love of and enjoyment of stationary and such. 1059 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,320 And that's something that you want to have in person 1060 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,440 connection about or more around than having planner meetups can 1061 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,000 be a really fun way to do that either by organizing them 1062 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,000 yourself, you know, going into your local community groups or 1063 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,440 whatnot. Like I'm thinking Facebook 1064 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,080 groups in particular and just posting up to say like, hey 1065 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,560 guys, I was thinking of organizing XYZ. 1066 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,680 Would anybody want to come? Or even just those kind of like 1067 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,920 online planner spaces that have a bunch of planners from a 1068 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,320 variety of different places that you can say, hey guys, I'm in 1069 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,880 insert city here. Would people want to meet up and 1070 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,840 like, you know, have a planning afternoon or whatnot just to 1071 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,840 enjoy each other's company and do some planning in our 1072 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,440 notebooks or whatnot? That can be very fun. 1073 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,000 It can be a very enjoyable process and a really nice way to 1074 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,440 make friends. But if that's not the kind of 1075 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,720 space that you want to make those types of connections 1076 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:31,120 around, then it isn't as much of A necessity, I suppose. 1077 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,680 I don't know. That's actually a really good 1078 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,640 tip. I think that's. 1079 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,480 A really smart way to think about it, especially if you're 1080 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,840 like new to an area or you know, you're not into sports or like 1081 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,320 going out to a bar or anything like that. 1082 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,000 At least you know that like the planning space, we're fun, we're 1083 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,280 quirky, we like stationary and notebooks and you have an 1084 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,880 instant common interest that kind of never know where it 1085 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,640 grows from there. All right, well, let's move on 1086 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,320 to our next segment. We've done planners, we've done 1087 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,520 pals now. So we have some questions about 1088 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,440 the behind the scenes of the podcast and the first question 1089 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,040 that's on here is what is your favorite part about doing this 1090 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,400 podcast? This is the only part of my job. 1091 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:12,000 Really that has another person tied to it really like clearly 1092 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,200 specifically like we have Francisca. 1093 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,080 Thank you, Francisca. She edits the podcasts now makes 1094 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,600 our life so much easier. But I haven't actually like 1095 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,160 talked to her face to face. Similar idea we've got like the 1096 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,240 moderation team over on my community Discord server, like, 1097 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,360 you know, obviously those are people that I'm interacting with 1098 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,800 as part of my job, but this is the only part of my job as of 1099 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,360 current where I interact with somebody face to face. 1100 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,120 And thus it is very, very valuable for me in that respect. 1101 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,000 So thank you for being my person, Mark. 1102 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,400 Yeah, my answer to that question is. 1103 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,760 Exactly the same. This is the only time as a 1104 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,640 creator that I get to talk to somebody else who is equally 1105 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,240 interested in the topics. And if you are not interested in 1106 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,120 the specifics of it, you still will have a conversation with me 1107 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,040 about it versus ignoring me and like walking to a different 1108 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,600 office room. Like when I'm in the office, I'm 1109 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,480 trying to talk to somebody about stationary. 1110 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,600 They don't care. But it's just nice to be able to 1111 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,640 have exactly that. As both creators ourselves, we 1112 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,480 are used to talking to a camera, but we think about the planner 1113 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,880 pals and we think about our crews and our peoples and 1114 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,440 everything else like that as we're talking. 1115 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,640 That's why we make the content that we do. 1116 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,920 But it is great to be able to just have like a fun 1117 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,960 conversation about it. I'll just add also like I 1118 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,560 mentioned before, like I also really like that we are not 1119 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,920 exactly the same so that we actually can have a meaningful 1120 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,720 conversation about something And it's either me teaching you or 1121 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,600 you teaching me or us finding things out together. 1122 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,920 That's just really fun. So I would say for me that would 1123 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,720 be be the same exact answer. Yeah, I think it's also in the. 1124 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,240 You know, respect of like being different people with differing 1125 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,480 opinions and such. It is also nice to kind of like 1126 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,640 just get out of your echo chamber every so often. 1127 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,600 Like as somebody who has been like, you know, for instance, 1128 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,200 going down a rabbit hole with overconsumption and all of these 1129 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,000 kind of things. It is nice to also have a voice 1130 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,040 for, you know, not necessarily like yay overconsumption, but 1131 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,760 more so like, nay, overconsumption haters or 1132 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,160 whatever. You know where you're coming 1133 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,560 from, you get it, but it is good to be able to get that kind of 1134 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,080 like alternate opinion rather than just going on, you know, 1135 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,760 building your own train of thought or your own kind of like 1136 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,520 understanding of a topic or whatnot. 1137 00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:23,760 Getting somebody elses perspective is really nice. 1138 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,360 And also I feel like I've learned a lot about how to take 1139 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,280 care of virus. I know so much now. 1140 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,640 Is she doing it? No, but she knows how to take 1141 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,120 care of virus. Wait, have you not filled her up 1142 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,280 yet with the new? Ink, she's still looking empty. 1143 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,960 Jess, all you have to do is. Stick it in an ink and turn the 1144 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,800 top and it will have ink in it and you will be done. 1145 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,360 She's not ready, she's not ready. 1146 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,400 Do it right now on. Camera so everyone. 1147 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,520 Can see you do it. I would make such a mess. 1148 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,560 I'd be so stressed out. Oh my God I ask 2 questions I. 1149 00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,880 Feel like go hand in hand but I let's I guess go with the first 1150 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,840 one because the first one has to happen before the second one. 1151 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,520 How do you manage filming in two different countries and still 1152 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,200 keep the podcast so fluent? Thanks to Riverside for did not 1153 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,840 we're not. Sponsored by Riverside, but 1154 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,560 Riverside is the no application website, whatever that we use to 1155 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,480 record these. It does mean that we can have 1156 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,640 pretty high quality. I mean, for the most part, since 1157 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,840 I rearranged my office. Guys, I know it's slightly 1158 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,880 echoey. You've probably noticed, and if 1159 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,400 you haven't, I'm really sorry for pointing it out to you, but 1160 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,040 yeah, I noticed. Me too. 1161 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,120 Especially when you hear one. And then the other you're just 1162 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,840 like, God, that's grating. I've really tried, I've tried to 1163 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,960 do some sound buffering, but that's the application that we 1164 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,920 use to record these. The actual kind of like biggest 1165 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,360 pain point is though, the time change and the difference in 1166 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,400 time and having to do time math, time math is the worst math. 1167 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,040 And even though you've given me the same link. 1168 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,120 To do the time math, I never use it. 1169 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,760 I'm always like, what is 6 PM your time and you're like, Mark, 1170 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,800 use the link. I'm like, but what is it? 1171 00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,200 I actually on my phone. I do have New Zealand time on 1172 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,720 there. So like I can look and see what 1173 00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,640 time it is like at that moment. And sometimes I'll do backwards 1174 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,040 math. But I will say that right now 1175 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,240 for us is the ideal time. Jess and I have been so 1176 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,480 productive with the podcast because we are able to meet 1177 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,160 multiple times a week because it is winter for me and it is 1178 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:27,200 summer for you, right? And our, our time variances are, 1179 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,280 are like hours apart, like they're different days. 1180 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,640 Like Jess is living in the future, but it's closer to my 1181 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,880 timeline than usual. And so that's really great. 1182 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:43,520 But when we when I jump forward and Jess then goes backwards, we 1183 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,400 are like, it's not a good space for us because we also have 1184 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,160 lives, family and other things too. 1185 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,960 And we're like, can we make this work? 1186 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,520 Like it might be 9:00 PM for you, Mark, but it's like 8:00 in 1187 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,400 the morning for you. You know, it's like it's very 1188 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,960 off, but that is definitely the hardest part for us. 1189 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,680 But luckily everything else though, I will say like goes 1190 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,840 pretty good from a standpoint. Like we have a lot of like 1191 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,160 asynchronous ways of working. We have documents ideas. 1192 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,760 We do have actual podcast meetings like once a quarter to 1193 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,920 be like, Hey, let's plan this thing and like make sure we know 1194 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,480 what the hell we're talking about. 1195 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,720 But aside from that though, I mean, I'm, I'm glad you all like 1196 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,040 that. It's like up to date that it's, 1197 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,760 you know, timely. So I appreciate you for we're 1198 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,960 appreciating that. Yeah, I think that one of the 1199 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,520 things. That I think is probably the 1200 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,520 hardest part about doing the podcast is that Mark like has a 1201 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,480 family and a life and actually wants to go and do things with 1202 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,440 them. Ridiculous. 1203 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,600 It's always summer because he's like off at the beach or 1204 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,040 whatever. And I'm just like, it is the 1205 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,000 dead of winter. Everything is ice. 1206 00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,680 It's not that cold. But as somebody who doesn't do a 1207 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,600 lot with their summer outside of vlogmas, I'm usually just 1208 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,240 chilling in my office just waiting to record another 1209 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:57,000 episode. But Mark's off gallivanting 1210 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,920 around and doing fun things and such. 1211 00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,800 If you were here, if you have been a planner power since that 1212 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,720 awful episode where we tried to film it on location, let us 1213 00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:07,560 know. God, that was like the color 1214 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,360 change across the episode because the sun was setting was 1215 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,480 so funny. Yeah, I did that all on my 1216 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,320 phone. I. 1217 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,000 Think I had air pods in I was sitting on the floor in one of 1218 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,040 the bedrooms. And that was the time like after 1219 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,400 that, like Jess has never been more disgusted with any type of 1220 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,680 media that has ever existed from me or anyone else. 1221 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,800 And that's when we, we decided that we are doing like summer, 1222 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,360 like winter breaks. Like when that happens because 1223 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,480 I'm a remote employee, my wife's a teacher, my kids are in school 1224 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,640 and they have off and we spend long weeks away from like the 1225 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,560 normalcy. And that's when Jess and I are 1226 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,400 like, hey, I'll be like, I'm going to be home for three days. 1227 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,320 Can we make this work? Like, let's see what we can do. 1228 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,640 So, yeah, it's definitely a fun time. 1229 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,040 But I was like, you know what? Like, we're not getting paid for 1230 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,600 this. It's not like we're sponsored by 1231 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,400 anyone. If you want to, by all means, 1232 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,680 feel free to reach out to usplannerpalspodcast@gmail.com. 1233 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:02,960 But I mean, it's not that big of a deal. 1234 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,520 Like, I don't want to let the planner pals down. 1235 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,280 But also, like, I'm not going to stress us out over it, 1236 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,760 especially, like, during those times of the year. 1237 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,400 It just doesn't make sense. I would love to try another like 1238 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,440 filmed on. Location one just for the lols 1239 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,320 of it but the editing of it and like trying to get the sound 1240 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,720 sounding nice like oh on a mission I could probably figure 1241 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,000 it out now that we have like the. 1242 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,520 Little mini mice mices like I would just have to hold it the 1243 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,080 whole entire time but it would at least sound a lot better I 1244 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,400 feel like and I would go into a room that was light controlled. 1245 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,760 That would be the other thing too. 1246 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,480 I wouldn't be by a window as the sun is setting. 1247 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,440 The lessons learned like in the closet with a torch under a. 1248 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,960 Blanket with the mouse mic? Yeah, that sounds like it would 1249 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,920 be certainly interesting to watch. 1250 00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,480 I would do it for the podcast. I've done it for voice. 1251 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,600 Over work before. Literally exactly like that. 1252 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,920 To film a voice over video for a YouTube video. 1253 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,920 No lie whatsoever. In a closet with a blanket over 1254 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,840 top of me and my phone light and a little microphone. 1255 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,520 I've done it. Well, you certainly have less 1256 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,120 echo than I seem to have. In my new office arrangement, I 1257 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,160 know that fixes need to be made, but I'll get there eventually. 1258 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,480 Well, what we have to do, we either need to get you a. 1259 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,960 Sound screen, which I was thinking something we could put 1260 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,560 like in front of where you're talking or I have them in my 1261 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,680 office. You can't see them here, but 1262 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,840 there's these little cool like hexagons you can stick on the 1263 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,640 wall and that also absorbs sound. 1264 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,720 And they look really cool too. I'll send you a link. 1265 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,480 Nice. Yeah, no, I figured my fix was 1266 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,360 just going to be to. Move house like, you know, very 1267 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,240 casual, yeah. Or just, you know, move 1268 00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,160 everything to. Make it work for the podcast. 1269 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,000 Oh my God, exactly. You know, I'm just going to move 1270 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,840 house just for the. Podcast Well, the the follow up 1271 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,280 question to this. Is and that's why I want to do 1272 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,040 that before this next question, which is how long does it take 1273 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,880 you on average to film a podcast? 1274 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,120 Because it's like, OK, first we have to like schedule it and 1275 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,320 make it work for both of our times and lives. 1276 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,760 And then the recording of it in the timeline. 1277 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,000 I will let you go ahead and take this answer first. 1278 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,080 It's been many moons. No, OK, It's like not that bad. 1279 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,840 But typically speaking, we usually schedule it for an hour, 1280 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,080 and sometimes we have something that happens right after that 1281 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,720 hour. So we kind of say in advance, 1282 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,720 like, OK, yeah, I need to leave at the top of the hour so that I 1283 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,720 can make it to XYZ type of thing. 1284 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,720 And even then, we still go over the hour being like, OK, yeah, 1285 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,680 like I really need to go. I really need to wrap this up. 1286 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,080 If you can spot the episodes where we've had to finish the 1287 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,880 episode in a rush, I would love to know because some of the 1288 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,040 ending very much like, OK, cool, thanks, bye. 1289 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,240 We need to go goodbye. I would say when we first 1290 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,880 started. There was like no time limit. 1291 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,480 I mean, I think one of our very first episodes, it was almost 1292 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,720 two hours long. I think like because we were 1293 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,000 just talking like we didn't know. 1294 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,080 We were trying to figure it out. Like before the Planter Pals 1295 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,440 podcast and I was just talking to myself. 1296 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,920 Like there was nothing to react to. 1297 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,960 It's just me, you know, monologuing, which sometimes in 1298 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,200 these episodes, it is just me monologuing as well, too. 1299 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,840 I will say that that is something else, though, that has 1300 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,800 also kept us under time is Jess's feedback. 1301 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,360 When I talk too much and we usually edit it out, Jess is 1302 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,280 like, can I talk now? And I was like, I'm so sorry. 1303 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,880 I was just so passionate. Yeah. 1304 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,720 She raises her hand, and she waits for me to call on her to 1305 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,840 answer. But I also tried to be much more 1306 01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,280 aware of that. I think when I used to be 1307 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,280 editing the podcast, I would notice it more because I'd be, 1308 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,720 like, Mark's blue clip forever. And like Jess is like, I agree. 1309 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,040 And then Mark's blue clip. Literally that, right? 1310 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,520 It's just me. Like trying to keep a mental log 1311 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,960 of the things that Mark has said that I wanted to have a reaction 1312 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,000 to so that I can get to the end of his, like, monologuing and be 1313 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,360 like, OK, so to respond to this point and this point and this 1314 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:33,480 point and that point. Yeah. 1315 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,440 If you ever notice Mark like very quiet, usually it. 1316 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,120 Means Jess has provided feedback in a previous episode and then 1317 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,800 by the next episode I'm right back. 1318 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,040 I do remember there was one period where we're just. 1319 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,840 Like should I like raise my hand? 1320 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,360 Like specifically, should I raise my hand if I have like a 1321 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,120 point to add to something? I just, I don't do it because I 1322 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,240 just feel weird and awkward about it. 1323 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,520 I'm like, I'll just let Mark talk. 1324 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,560 He's enjoying himself. Oh gosh, I'm sorry. 1325 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,640 But yeah, so. That usually also helps us keep 1326 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,160 it nice and short ish. Yeah, and definitely like the 1327 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,680 pre planning. Of our talking points and such, 1328 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,360 I feel like most recently we've been a little bit slack about 1329 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:06,720 it. Not for this episode though, 1330 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,280 because we had to get your questions first. 1331 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,960 So we did a good job on that one, at least I think we did. 1332 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,120 But pre planning kind of discussion points or general 1333 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,960 themes about what we're talking about, we don't go and script 1334 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,800 anything out because first of all, I'm not very good at 1335 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,720 reading. I'm doubly not good at reading 1336 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,520 in front of a camera. Hell no. 1337 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,440 So it's more so just a general no sequence of things we would 1338 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,120 like to talk about and then they will take as long as they take 1339 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,080 type of a thing. We aim for an hour, but 1340 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,280 oftentimes the footage ends up being a lot longer. 1341 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,400 Currently we're sitting at one hour, 8 minutes, but you are not 1342 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,200 one hour and 8 minutes into this video. 1343 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,200 So hopefully that kind of gives you an idea. 1344 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,840 Yeah, we like to edit down, but we've got. 1345 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,320 A few more questions to go and these are actually really good 1346 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,080 ones. I'm excited. 1347 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,000 So as as we continue to look at like what's next, next 1348 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,960 questions. Are there plans to add any other 1349 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,480 pals to the lineup or special guests? 1350 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,720 I would definitely like to. I know that. 1351 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,160 When we talked about our plans for the podcast this year, we 1352 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,640 were kind of thinking about bringing people on and having 1353 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,160 more people to talk to, you know, planner pals from the 1354 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,560 community and getting their insights around topics. 1355 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,440 And it would still be something that we'd be curious to do. 1356 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,840 It's just the time, organization and figuring out when all of us 1357 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,880 could actually meet up to do that thing. 1358 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,120 The logistics are tricky, but I became yeah, I feel exactly the 1359 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,080 same way. It's like. 1360 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,240 I would be open to it very much so. 1361 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,600 Like I think it would be fantastic to have like different 1362 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,480 people on, but like in my brain to think to try to schedule 1363 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,280 something. Like I can't even schedule or 1364 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,920 figure out time between Jess and I. 1365 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,880 And we do this, you know, at least once a week to think about 1366 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:43,640 having to schedule myself and like US East Coast, Jess, New 1367 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,400 Zealand time and then like somebody else in a different 1368 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,760 time zone. I don't, I I don't know how we 1369 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,040 would make it happen. Like I feel like one of us would 1370 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,920 be like just waking up or going to bed and maybe somewhere in 1371 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,800 the middle. We want to do it. 1372 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,040 I mean, there's so we have literally a tired list of people 1373 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,840 that we want to. We actually had one person that 1374 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,560 we like almost had going and then we told it's already 1375 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,200 ghosted them because we were like, we can't like connect on 1376 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,880 this. But I feel like now we're 1377 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,520 definitely in a better spot from a planning perspective, timing 1378 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,480 perspective and all those things. 1379 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,560 So I yeah, I think it would be super fun to be able to do Yeah. 1380 01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,800 And I think that even though. Logistically it is tricky. 1381 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,040 I think there's also an aspect of like not knowing what you 1382 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:28,800 don't know. We haven't tried to do it 1383 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,280 before. So there is kind of like, not 1384 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,520 necessarily like a fear of stuffing up or anything, but 1385 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,600 maybe a little bit of that in that we have obviously got like 1386 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,720 a dynamic between the two of us. How does that then work when you 1387 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,280 add somebody else into the mix? Because if we're adding somebody 1388 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,560 else into an episode, we want to make sure that they have their 1389 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,120 time to say things to shine. Like that's the purpose of 1390 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,080 inviting them on is to get their insights. 1391 01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,720 So how do you then make it that they get their time to shine? 1392 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,600 Mark has his time to monologue. I have my occasional, Yeah, that 1393 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,760 sounds good, getting up, just being a bit of a Dick, but you 1394 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,160 know, being able to kind of navigate that as well. 1395 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,640 Because a lot of the time when it comes to preparing our 1396 01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,480 episodes, yes, we have our topics decided in advance, but 1397 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,240 the actual talking points, oftentimes it's like the day 1398 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,000 before or sometimes even like 1/2 hour before and we're in the 1399 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,320 document typing things up. You can't really do that when 1400 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,960 you've got somebody else who is a guest on your podcast. 1401 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,800 So there is a little bit more planning that goes into being 1402 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,520 able to have an episode with them that actually feels like a 1403 01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,400 good time for them, a good time for us and a good time for our 1404 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,160 plan, our palace as listeners. Yeah. 1405 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,200 And we've had two years of doing this. 1406 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,600 Too Now, I think when we first started, it was very much like, 1407 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,680 do I raise my hand? Like when do I answer a 1408 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,760 question? And now I feel like, at least 1409 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,720 for me, maybe you have the same thing. 1410 01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,560 But like, I can tell when Jess is like coming down off of a 1411 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,720 thought. And sometimes also like, and 1412 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,760 thank goodness for our editor. Like neither of us will say 1413 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,360 anything. And it's just like, OK, do you 1414 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,360 want to do that next? Like we're both just kind of 1415 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,200 like, are we ready to move on? We're not sure. 1416 01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,640 Like we don't have hand cues or like a sound board or a light or 1417 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,440 anything that kind of help us do that. 1418 01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,800 So I think that would be interesting too. 1419 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,920 I feel like it would be much more of like an interview style. 1420 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,560 It would be like if we were like morning show TV host 1421 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,200 interviewing a guest, you know, like I feel like that that's 1422 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,040 what how it would kind of be. But the only way to know would 1423 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,120 be to try it and see what happens. 1424 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,240 So hopefully that'll happen in the new year. 1425 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,920 Jess, let's get into the last question, which is all about the 1426 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,760 podcast on the back end. And what are your plans for 1427 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,520 season 3 of the podcast? That's crazy. 1428 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,360 That's going to be three seasons of this podcast. 1429 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,640 Wait, we're doing a season 3? I thought this was the final. 1430 01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,520 My contract from has. Not come through yet? 1431 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,640 Yeah, I haven't been paid for the last two. 1432 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,440 No, I'm. Kidding, but I think that in 1433 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,480 terms of plans for season 3, obviously just like continuing 1434 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,280 with awesome conversations and such, we literally just talked 1435 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,520 about it. I would love to have people on. 1436 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,880 I think we just need to get over the fear of like either the work 1437 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,600 that is required to get people onto the podcast or like, you 1438 01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,480 know, the the scheduling kind of timing conflicts of it or 1439 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,200 whatever. I think it would be a really 1440 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,440 good time, but I also think that it would be fun to explore areas 1441 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,400 of the planning kind of sphere conversation and such that we 1442 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,840 haven't really touched on yet because there are definitely 1443 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,760 some. I know for instance, the very 1444 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,000 first episode of season 3, it's going to be about 1445 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,360 overconsumption, your favorite topic, because I have thoughts, 1446 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,040 you definitely have thoughts. And so that's going to be fun to 1447 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,280 get into and chat about, but there are other things that we 1448 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,960 just haven't really touched on yet and also some older topics 1449 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,560 that I feel like we have kind of gotten an updated perspective 1450 01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,280 on. And it would be pretty nice to 1451 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,160 revisit those and maybe dabble a little bit more in that area. 1452 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,400 I know that you're just like gunning for another fountain pen 1453 01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,440 episode going. What do you want for Season 3? 1454 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,720 No, so I actually had this image I thought about. 1455 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:48,200 Some older episodes because I feel like you and I have had an 1456 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:53,440 epiphany, a thought, direction, feelings on like bullet 1457 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,200 journaling as a whole this year. There's definitely something 1458 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:02,240 that went down that you and I have very similar thoughts on 1459 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,440 with like that general space and kind of how we're approaching it 1460 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,640 moving forward. I would love to have another one 1461 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,600 of those because one of our first episodes ever was like, 1462 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,160 why we love bullet journaling. And now I would say why do we 1463 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,360 like DIY planning? Or you may be using other words 1464 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,520 for it. So coming back to topics like 1465 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,680 that would be good. I don't want to get into like 1466 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,840 drama, not necessarily even though I literally just like 1467 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,800 teased up drama there, right? But like, I, I think a little 1468 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,600 bit of that is good conversation though, because I mean, we are 1469 01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,760 two people in this community who are a part of it. 1470 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,040 We're not just spectators and we don't just like comment on it, 1471 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,960 right? We are a part of it. 1472 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,680 And so I think like getting more of those hot takes and like 1473 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,280 talking through that. And we, we do for the most part, 1474 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,280 but I think it would be interesting to have like a 1475 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,880 really juicy topic that like might get us in trouble, you 1476 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,440 know, like just for the fun of it to see like what happens with 1477 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,160 it, not to try to incite and making anybody upset or anything 1478 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,440 like that, but like having a really deep conversation about 1479 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,560 that. And I think some of our older 1480 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,800 topics would be great. Definitely some that have been 1481 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,600 like more popular than others, like coming back into those and 1482 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,560 seeing. And I would say just episodes 1483 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,080 like this, getting questions from the community and like them 1484 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,400 asking us questions and us being able to answer them because 1485 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,680 like, that's the best part. I feel like that's the best 1486 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,080 thing as a consumer. If you're like, Hey, I have 1487 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,600 questions, but I don't know how to ever get answers to them 1488 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,479 directly. Like we're giving them to you. 1489 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,319 Yeah. And I know that we didn't 1490 01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,080 necessarily. Get to all of the questions 1491 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,120 because we got a decent crop of questions and I so, so super 1492 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,040 appreciate you guys being responsive to it, being 1493 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,040 responsive to our podcast, obviously coming back time and 1494 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,240 time again, watching, interacting and all of those 1495 01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,880 type of things. And because we we do make it for 1496 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,359 us, but we also really we make it for you, right? 1497 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,920 So when it comes to Season 3 of the Platter Pals podcast, what 1498 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,560 is it that you want to say or topics? 1499 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,760 If you like us to dive into what you wanna hear our feedback, 1500 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,680 insights, thoughts about, let us know in the comments. 1501 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,560 Or you can hit us up at plannerofhousepodcast@gmail.com 1502 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,120 or over on Instagram at Planner of House Podcast. 1503 01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,840 We're really eager to hear what you would like to see in season 1504 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,880 3 though. But as always, Planner of House, 1505 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:07,840 thanks for watching.