Welcome to the Flanner Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted by two
true planner pals. I'm Jess or Jessie Curran.
And my name is Mark, and I go by Mark your pages.
And I'm so excited for today's episode, Jess, because we are
covering Part 2 of Go Wild. Last episode, we focused a lot
on the volunteers and the community of Go Wild.
But this time we're going to talk about the sessions.
We have all of the interviews that you did, which were
absolutely spot on, so much better than I did for sure, as
well as our takes on the topics and some of the big takeaways
from each of the sessions. Before we get get into that
though, thank you to everybody who left a comment on our last
episode. It was really cool to hear your
thoughts about either go wild if you attended or what would kind
of like incentivize you to attend.
It was really good to have some back and forth about that
because we have people who definitely want to come and it
just isn't viable, people who definitely want to go again.
And for people that just like, Nope, I am fully introverted,
that does not sound like my cup of tea.
Which I found to be so interesting because the whole
episode people were sharing how they are introverts and how Go
Wild really helped them kind of come out out of that box.
So then, yeah, it sees up in that comments being like, I
could never do that. I'm like, you're actually the
prime person for it because these are your people.
If you're going to ever feel more comfortable around
somebody. It's talking about pens and
notebooks and planners. But to each their own.
I completely respect everyone's individual opinion.
Yeah, no, I in particular like the comment saying like, oh God,
there's too many people. I'd have to tap out by 12.
I'm like, well that's kind of perfect because most of the
sessions finished by like 2. So if you can hold out for just
like 2 extra hours, we'd love to see you there.
So. Let's go ahead and kick into day
one. It's a great place to start.
Even though it's early in the morning, getting in early is
definitely key. You have kind of the big thing,
which is choosing your table. We talked about that last time,
finding the right one for you. And once you get in there and
you're so overly excited about all the stickers and stationary
you have at your desk, it's time to pay attention.
Look up at the big screen as we talk about the very first
session, which was life in Seasons, which was very
interesting because I've never thought about planning in
seasons. And I think what Heather Cal of
Cal of a Plan talk about that was pretty awesome.
In terms of your session, now obviously all of the fine folks
here got to see it, but for anybody who wasn't watching what
would have been like 1 take away that you would have wanted them
to get from it. Probably that.
Just do what you have to do to make your plan or work for you.
No matter what season you're in, whether that's changing to a new
planner or just changing how you use your current planner, just
make your planner work for you. I just wanted to know, in terms
of like being a speaker, what made you say yes to the
opportunity? So I've been going to Go Wild
since 2018. And back then I was just like a
regular planner with a regular account.
And then through the years I've grown to this business.
But I feel like through the whole, everything that I've gone
through, Go Wild has always been a constant.
And they've always been very supportive of, of Cal of a plan.
And so when I had the chance to be on their stage, I was just
like, yes, because I feel like my story can kind of resonate
with people out there. Like I was just a regular person
like you at my first Go Wild and now I've got this business.
And so I was just like, yes, let's do it.
Yeah. No, I having just seen your
session and when you said like I used to be a teacher like I did,
that's it. That was really special for me,
like kind of being able to see somebody else who's kind of not
necessarily the same journey, but like a similar 1 was really
exciting. It was so interesting to listen
both to her story and really talk about like from a business
perspective, how she's come up. I think with so many people who
are interested in starting a business and going through that,
it was awesome to kind of go through the flow with her.
So when she connected that to the different seasons and like
summer being the busy season and winter being a bit slower and
thinking about that, it was really cool.
And I saw a lot of people too, just, I don't know if you heard
them, but they were referring to, you know, this is my summer
season or this is my blah blah, blah, which nothing against
Taylor Swift and the Eras Tour, but I was very happy for people
to get over their blah blah blah era.
And agree, I actually just like don't like the word era now.
So I loved that we had like the bag said, I'm in my wild
chapter. I'm like, yes, I'm all about it.
I love the idea of planning in seasons.
Seasons is a term that like resonates with me.
I guess eras gives me the ick like a can't like.
Sorry Taylor, you're doing great, but not that word please.
I love the freedom that it gives people for sure.
Like if you're just like, you know, owning kind of what's
happening at that moment in time, I think that's great.
But yeah, talking about like planning in seasons and really
kind of understanding where you are planning for that time of
the year or that time of the month or that time of wherever
you are, that could be like very chaotic.
And it's OK to say like, OK, I'm busy, I can only plan so much
this way or hey, I have a little bit more time.
So let me explore a little bit more.
Something about that session really did kind of stick with
me, which I thought like, yeah, except kind of where you are in
the place and time and just kind of work with what you have.
At least that's what I took away from it.
Yeah. I liked the way that she broke
down what each kind of season looks like.
Because obviously if we're thinking kind of calendar
seasons, like we know when autumn is, we know when spring
is, all of those kind of things. But the idea that you can have a
winter season or whatnot, if we're thinking about it in the
way she described, that lasts a full year or a spring season
that goes for two years or whatever else.
And I really liked her take on kind of putting them into those
different buckets so that you can kind of analyze what your
plan and needs are going to be based on which of those seasons
you're in. And then right after that
session, we moved into our first panel, which was a founders
panel. And last episode we heard
Jasmine talk about the focus on small businesses and things like
that. And this kind of was exactly
that. Other people who've really grown
their business and done big and cool things with it.
And it was really awesome to hear their perspectives on what
was important to them. So we just got to hear from the
founders panel, a very inspiring bunch of fabulous business
owners. So I just wanted to check in
with, we've got Joe, Myra, Torre, Tisa and Callie.
In terms of for people who didn't get to see your
presentation because you guys hit on a lot of really awesome
points. What would be one thing that
you'd want our planner pals to hear as a take away from your
session? I hope that they feel inspired
and just know that this genuinely was just a real talk.
We're all just in the same shoes I feel like.
I mean, we're all in different stages with businesses, but at
the end of the day, we're all human and we're all here to
support each other, so community is key.
I say don't be afraid to dream big and just go for what you
want to do. Creative or not creative, as
long as you keep showing up, things are going to continue to
work out for you no matter any of your failures.
If you do something wrong, things don't work out in the
end. It always will.
I think for me, it's important for people to know that you have
to take risks and get uncomfortable and put yourself
out there and do the things alone.
If you can take a buddy, take a buddy.
But it's really important that you take risks for these
opportunities to present themselves and for people to get
to know you and your story and know that you know you're just
another normal person. And if this was possible for
you, it's possible for anyone. You only have one life, right?
So don't spend your whole life doing something that doesn't
make you happy. So if you need, you need to
change gears and do something else.
Don't be afraid to take the leap because in the end, you want to
have a happy life. I wanted to ask you guys, why
did you say yes to being part of that founders panel?
Like what was behind it? And you're like, oh, I really
need to be part of Go Wild this year.
I think it's so important to connect with other creatives and
you know, you can bounce ideas off each other.
You can just, you know, wear the crazy bracelets together and
just have so much fun being around other creative people.
That's my favorite part of it all.
I think for me, I really wanted to represent all my Latina and
Hispanic culture. So for me, it was really
important to have someone like me up there as well.
So, and also I love to chit chat and for people to just get to
know my story as well because it's, you know, crazy what you
what can happen when you believe in yourself.
So that's why I said yes, these are my people.
So it was a no brainer for me. I love to be able to support and
give back and give information and whatever I can to the
community. Like these are my people.
I'm here every time. Well, in this panel, like I
think we've all like work together or traveled or
something. So it was great to like just be
with, you know, people that you that you have worked with.
But also this is my third go wild and my first go.
Wild. It was a goal.
To be on stage in some capacity. So about that.
So last year I actually was on the founders panel and this year
I got to be the moderator. So I'm still like in shock by
it. I don't know.
I had a blast and this group is just.
It was a blessing to say the least.
It's so inspiring to hear from people like yourselves because
as someone who has like, you know, been able to quit their
full time job, I was also a teacher because I know we met a
lot of teachers today for it. But being able to hear you guys
a story and like, you know, building yourself belief and all
of that, it's just been really awesome.
I know that a lot of the people out there just like you needed
that. As mentioned, it was really cool
to hear from them. And I think one of the nicest
parts about these panels is that it gives you an opportunity to
see more people at once. Like, obviously because they're
sitting as part of a panel, but it's like, I didn't know about
Joe. I didn't know about my era
before they got up on stage and presented to us and such.
So it was really cool to have people who I hadn't seen before
highlighted in that way. Yeah, something big for me was
really as they were telling their stories and talking about
the support of their family in the community and like how
important that's been for them. It was, it's just one of those
things that was just a little, you know, you had emotion up on
stage a little bit as you were going through with people
sharing their stories of saying like, I didn't come from much or
I came from a bad situation or bad relationship and I overcame
that. I had the support of my family
or I did not have the support of my family, especially in like
the creative space. I think a lot of people kind of
get this. I don't know how your parents
feel about you being a content creator versus the teacher as
you were. I'll ask you that in just a
second. But it was interesting to hear
other people's perspectives on that too, to say, like, my
family doesn't really get what I do.
Or they were like, oh, you're going to start your own business
yet that's not going to be successful.
And then them overcoming that and really finding their spot
and and doing amazing things. Yeah, I loved, I think was Myers
point about the idea of even if you do have the support at the
end of the day, this it is kind of you going it alone in a in a
really empowering way, though not like you are alone.
It's you against the world kind of a thing.
Woe is you. But more so it's just like own
the fact that you want to do something awesome, incredible
and whatnot and you do actually have all of the things in your
toolkit. You just need to actually use
them and exercise them to get the stuff done that you want to.
So on that topic, Jess, you know, we talked about families
accepting and not accepting. Like do your parents have any
thoughts on you moving into being a content creator full
time? Do they understand it versus
being a teacher, which I think is a lot more like
straightforward and in common? I think that there's a bit of
like a kind of like curiosity point around like how does one
make money doing this type of a thing?
But given I've been doing it for a while now, like we've had
those conversations, they understand how it works.
And at the end of the day, if I can pay my bills and if I'm
happy, they're happy for me. I do have very supportive
parents in that way. Even if they don't get it, they
don't understand, they do trust in my ability to like, make the
right choices for my future, and I very much appreciate that.
Yeah, it was. It's good to have that support.
I think we kind of got that feeling as people are asking
those questions because other people come up against that too,
especially if they want to move into a space that isn't kind of
the norm. You know, becoming a content
creator or a small business owner that makes stickers.
Like that's just like, wait a second, what?
Like you're going to make money doing that, OK.
But to have that support or even not to have it and still
overcome that, I think it's just what I took most away from that
session, I think was really like overcoming that negativity and
doing what you believe in and then kind of basking in the
success with other people who want to support you versus that
don't. I think that that's also a like
empowering thing about spaces like Go Wild.
Even if you don't have that support from your like immediate
circle of friends or your family or whatnot, there are notably
people who get it and they will support you if you don't have
other people in your life who are going to support you in that
way. Yeah, counting on the community
like Pennable, you for instance, those are the people you need.
If you need someone doubt to talk you out of a decision, you
go to this community. That's that's what it's all
about. Yeah, it's definitely that way,
isn't it? But our next session though was
with Elise and Mariel and they were sponsored by Zebra to be
there, which means we of course got our Zebra goodies to go
along with their session. And I loved that.
It was very functionally based planning on paper.
So if there was like 1 take away that you could leave them with,
what would have been the thing that you would have wanted them
to get out of your session today?
When you are making A to do list and you're trying to figure out
how to fill the open slots in your day, ask yourself not only
what do I have time for, what do I have the energy for?
What do I have the mental headspace for?
And will this most benefit me today or maybe future me?
And for me, it's really making your planner your own.
Because our planner is not just a productivity tool, it's a tool
to tell a story of who we are. So it's really important to make
sure that you're infusing that in again, love stickers, love
all of the things, but putting pen to paper is really, you
know, what it's all about. I think that that's really,
really good points. I fully agree.
This idea of like being able to make it your own space and it
doesn't just have to be a productivity tool, but also that
idea of like making time for the other areas of your life that
aren't just like the hustle and like getting shit done.
I just wanted to ask you guys in terms of, you know, being
selected to be a speaker, being asked, like, did you want to
take up the opportunity? What made you say yes?
Do you want to be here with us and talk to us today?
So I love Zebra products and when I had the opportunity to
share with so many at Go Wild using my favorite products, how
I time manage and manage my To Do List and take everything
that's out of my brain and put it on paper.
I know that others could find that helpful.
They may just need that aha moment and someone to show them
a quick tip or trick up to how it's done.
So this was the dream opportunity to be on the stage
of Go Wild and with one of my best friends and with our
favorite brand. There was no question about
whether or not we would do this. Of course.
Agreed, Zebra Prince are my favorite.
So I was really excited to do it.
Of course I was a little bit nervous, but I knew that being
able to share something that I love and also the creativity
behind it. Because for me, again, if I'm
not able to be creative, I'm not getting anything done, the ADD
takes over. So the fact that I've even been
planning this long is like insane.
And it's all due to being able to really infuse fun and art
into my planner. I was a huge fan of the swag
drop because I got the Serasa R, which now I've been running with
all the time, even though I have so many other pens.
But it was cool to see both how they plan it.
I've personally been a fan of both of those.
I've been following them online for a very, very long time and
to be able to kind of get a little peek inside of their
planners because they do things a little bit differently and
some of the same, you know, at least really talked about time
blocking and how she utilizes colors and color coding to
accomplish those things. But it's different than like how
I time block, which I found to be really interesting.
And then I really did love how they used some of the new
products from Zebra 2. They had the dot markers and
then the stamp markers, which we also got as a part of that.
And it was neat to just start to see them incorporating that more
because you know, the dot markers are one thing.
They're not new to anything. Like I think everyone, I think
actually in your, your table gives you gave USDOT markers,
right. So like I said it, I said it
just as table because I wanted to get her stickers and dot
markers, but to have those and be like, Oh, that's how I could
use them for some decoration inside of my planning.
Like it was close to heart for me because we talk a lot about
the mix between like fun and functional, how you make that
work. So it's also cool to get some of
those fun ideas. And I just love those two.
Also, they're really fantastic educators and content creators.
They they have a good time. Yeah, I, I think that it's kind
of sad to say that like my biggest take away from their
session outside of, you know, the things they already talked
about, though, the one that I really got was how to use the
stamp marker, which was not really the point of the session.
But I love just having the little tip of like you don't
just go straight down otherwise the ink won't actually get on
the page properly. You need to kind of like curve
it or roll it. And since doing that, I've been
getting much more attractive looking star stamps as opposed
to kind of like this weird half outline of a star.
I'm interested to see what the other shapes are because I do we
all get a star. Did everybody get a star?
I got a star. I'm curious what they're going
to look like too because the stamp markers also are not new.
Like Crayola has done them for a really long time.
Like smiley faces and like lightning bolts.
It would be cool if they were a little bit more planar focused
like stars or like checkmarks or things along that line like
that. I would really love.
A check mark would actually be super bloody cool.
Right. Like it would be something, I
don't know if you could do a circle motion with it.
I mean, I guess you could do with anything, but it'll, you
know, time will tell what it looks like and if they are
planner focused that would be very excited about it.
Yes, straight up. I want to have a check mark.
I want a little cross. I want one that's a circle,
that's not a filled in circle. I want it to be like like an
event symbol for the bullet journal kind of thing.
I want one of those. I'm just putting my request in
Zebra. I know you're not listening, but
please. They're listening.
What are you talking about? They love us.
But the next session we had after that was, I know your
favorite. So we're gonna let Kathy
introduce her session herself. But in terms of your takeaways,
I think the best part was seeing you get up there and actually be
part of the action. So obviously for the people who
are watching, not everybody got to be here today to see your
session. If you had any kind of like big
take away that you would have liked them to get from your
session, what would you like them have been taken away?
OK so my take away for people is to look at your stickers.
We all have so many stickers and just do a layout on a blank page
or with the dots on it or even with lines and just start
placing stickers down. And as you put your stickers
journal on a page. Why did you choose that sticker?
What did it remind you of something you did or someone you
met? And then after you have your
stickers down, go in with your favorite pens.
I love glitter gel pens and just start doing different
contrasting patterns and contrasting colors in between
each of the stickers and it turns it into this beautiful art
collage that tells your story. And you can even journal the
different designs that you chose to doodle.
Like why did you choose plus signs?
Why did you choose hearts and where where are they in
proximity to the sticker that's next to it?
What do you what story does that say about you?
Because our subconscious really emerges when we're just letting
our self explore and play and create.
No, I love that. And especially as somebody who
has, like, mad sticker anxiety, as I call it.
And it's just like, holding like a dragon kind of thing.
Yeah, I love that balance between, like, the
intentionality behind it and then also letting yourself just,
like, be free and creative and, like, actually use your stats.
Yes. This is your second year
speaking to us. So what made you decide to come
back? Oh my gosh, I did the first one
last year on the panel, the founders panel.
I just love the community of how documenting light is so
meaningful to people because it's not like scrapbooking.
It's it's so different doing planning.
It just is like really celebrating what we're doing
every day in our life right now. Well, I will go ahead and just
go on a monologue ranch as if you can go ahead and you want to
go to the bathroom, get a water, maybe go for your daily walk.
This would be your time. No, I something about this
session specifically for me really did stand out.
There's just kind of like 2 big points that I took away from
this. The first one definitely has to
do with the idea of actually using, using your stickers.
We talk about this so much in this community.
We have the stickers, we don't use the stickers.
We wait for a perfect time to do it.
And just being able to like feel like I could just create art
with it was fantastic. So laying down stickers that had
some meaning to them to me, and then using markers and other
things like that to add to the excitement around it and tell a
story essentially with stickers is not something that I've ever
thought about before in my entire life.
Part was that, you know, she tells you put them now on the
page and you know, doodle around them and such and whatnot.
And then she tells us the idea that like the bottom part of the
page is your foundation and you hadn't put me there like so Mark
has no foundation. He is baseless.
There's she said I was open for new things and new ideas.
Jess, not that I didn't have the foundation, but it was exactly.
And what it was so cool about it too is that the way that I
thought about my page specifically was like a top
down. It was this idea of literally
like it was using elements that she provided with us too.
Just to kind of circle back on like how she usually does this
is she has sessions where they do stamp carving.
That was the other thing I was very excited about with this is
that she does workshops where you carve stamps and you know
my. Love of stamp carving and making
and doing that. So it was like, oh, I love this.
There's, there's something very good here.
But then utilizing that, the symbolism and then her doing a
very similar thing in that session with after you kind of
create your page, she does essentially like a tarot card
reading or like a lifeline reading.
I felt like, and she was interpreting the page and she
broke that down. Mine was definitely meant to be
read top to bottom. So it was this idea of like
seeing and talking to people and filling your cup with excitement
and then, you know, more things to come, good things.
And then when she read it backwards, it was like, you have
no foundation. But the other thing that really
stuck out to me is like this idea of like filling your cup,
right? We talked about how this go out
as a whole was very cup filling for us and in a very different
way than last year. It was funny to hear her.
Well, not funny. Like it was actually kind of
serious to her to say like, oh, you know, you're always talking
and you're filling other people's cup.
Maybe though you should, you know, save some of that for
yourself. And I was like, oh, I'm having a
therapy moment here. This idea that, you know, I was
expressing my interest and my love of like talking and
educated and being that creator. But for her to like, kind of
read that the other way and say, like, maybe you should save a
little bit for yourself. It was.
It was pretty damn cool. I don't know where she gets off
saying that you talk too much. That's ridiculous.
Ridiculous. The amount of times I have to
cut out my rambling ONS in this podcast, the world will never
know. Yeah, every episode is 3 hours
long. OK, it's not that bad, but
still. But it was a really fun time.
And I talked a little bit about it last episode too.
But then seeing her, something about her presence too, you
know, every speaker is a little bit different.
Everyone has their own like vibe and kind of what they're putting
out there. And hers was just so happy and
joyous. And just the way that she really
approached creating, I thought was just really special.
And, and every time I saw her, I was smiling.
And every time I saw her, I was also complimenting her and
telling her how amazing she was and how meaningful her session
was to me. No, I I say what you mean about
her vibe because it's like she's a very a very warm spirit, I
feel and bold, but also very, very soft and soothing.
And it's a very interesting juxtaposition.
Like, you know, crushing it. Kathy, good on hitting all of
the points there, but it was really cool to see how much that
session resonated with you. I sat there.
I was like, I know we're supposed to be using the
stickers, but I absolutely refuse because the sticker
mentality of mine is no hold it like a dragon.
You can't possibly put this on a page because then you won't have
it when you actually need it. I will eventually grow out of
that, but I don't think I think I have enough sticker books yet.
I've only got like 26. I need like 52 sticker books
until I'll be OK with just putting a sticker down Willy
nilly. For me personally, I'm excited
to explore that more because I've been the same exact way.
I'm like, well, I could use that for something else or Oh well, I
don't want to do that. I was also thinking though, with
all of the stamps that I have, that I could do something very
similar. I'm so used to using them in a
functional way or adding a little bit of decoration to
things like maybe just taking a collection of those and putting
them on a page and kind of building around it with kind of
this, this idea of like a very pristine looking image with more
free flowing doodles or lines or whatever.
And just something about that really inspired me to like try
different things. We'll see what happens with it.
I might explore it one day if I have extra time when I'm in my
winter season and I have more time on my hands.
I will most certainly be a sticker journaling.
Look at you with your crossover skills.
I can't remember what the teacher term for that is because
I've been out of the classroom too long.
Excellent job. The next session after that was
one called Good on Paper, and this one was hosted by Danielle
or Not Alone as Oh, Happy Danny. And this was such a cool one for
a lot of different reasons. We'll let her explain what she
was trying to get across to everybody.
So for anybody who didn't get to come and see you present, what
would have been your take away? What would you have wanted them
to get out of your presentation? Yes, well, I would say find your
thing and do it well at all. That was probably the closing
statement that I think resonates a lot because your thing is
unique to you. Whether it's your passion for
planning or even things that you are passionate about in terms of
creating and being artsy or planning or information,
whatever you're good at, do that thing well.
And by well, I mean with your whole heart, bringing your whole
self to the table and recognizing that there are
issues in the world that need your advocacy and you're the
perfect person to do it. So what made you decide to come
and speak to us this year? Yeah, so honestly, I've never
been to go a while before, but seeing online, the energy is
incredible. And it seems like it's a group
of really passionate people. And that's my ideal audience.
I really love to talk to people who are passionate about
something because chances are they're also passionate about
things that they don't talk about here.
And so the goal for my talk was to say, hey, you could take this
passion for artwork, for planning, for stickers and
stationary, and you can apply it to doing good in the world.
I try to do that every day with my art in my stationary shop,
but also in the mundane every day.
It's still a beautiful opportunity to make a
difference. Yeah, and I love how obviously
you showed us what your kind of like passion is and how you're
using it and like what you're fighting for in terms of like
you're like, I don't know your one line slogan of like, you
know, right, this is what I'm good at.
This is who I want to fight for and this is what I want to do
with that, right? I'm getting to bring that to
people who don't feel like they have this kind of like a unique
skill or talent and such. And it's like, no, you are an
individual and you can do this. So right.
I think that the idea of just being able to use your
creativity and a powerful way, it was just like it really
resonated with me. And it kind of got me thinking
about like, you know, given we have these platforms, we've got
the podcast and we've got our separate channels and Instagram
and yada yada, all the things like how are we using that to
kind of fight? And I don't mean fight like
fisticuffs, but like, you know, promote and kind of highlight
the things that are important to us and that are going to be
important for the world. I thought that was really cool.
Also, I just love the term good on paper because I have found
myself using that multiple times since I returned home from Go
Wild. I was talking to Vogel about, I
don't even remember what it was, but I was like, I don't know,
that just sounds like it's good on paper.
And of course he wasn't there. He wasn't at the session.
So he's like, yeah, I guess it was.
Of course, he doesn't understand all of the kind of like
background insight that we got from the session, but I'm like,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna use that more.
I really liked it too. And the part about activism, I
like that she kind of opened it up to anything because so often
we think about like social activism or race activism,
right? Or something that is kind of
wrong and then you stand up against that.
But I like that she even said that you can use it for whatever
you're passionate about. And she'd use that example of if
you're passionate about foster care for animals, use your art
to be an activist for that space.
And I think that was like, it really kind of like closes that
barrier to entry, right? Or the lower barrier to entry
because if you're like, well, I don't know how to be an activist
for like this big topic, especially if it has to do with
like social, political, religious, you can also involve
that in other different ways. And that kind of opened it up.
If you're a little nervous about it, which I'll be honest with
you, like I do get a little bit nervous about that and sharing
like too much because I'm like, well, this is a planner space,
you know, for me personally, right?
I think it's different for everyone.
So I try not to infuse religion or politics or kind of those
other things into what I'm doing.
It's just not my space. But if it's something that you
are really passionate about, I've seen a lot of creators,
especially recently with, you know, the the recent elections
this year in the USI got their thoughts on those things, you
know, using your platform, like you said, to do that.
I love the hand letter art that I follow.
Are the other creators that are using their art to get across a
message. And I think that's a really
valid way to do things. And I'm something that everyone
is kind of open for. But she never made me feel like
I had to do it or if I wasn't using my art for that, that I
wasn't doing something. She's such a positive nature
about her, which I think was awesome.
Yeah, I think that's also really important.
Like if you're thinking about trying to win people over to
your side in any kind of argument or anything that you're
fighting for, making sure that you're not coming in with a like
a, you're wrong. This is the only right way kind
of mentality. It's not gonna win any favours.
Like nobody's gonna be like, oh, you know what, you have a point.
They're gonna dig in and be like, no stuff you get off my
lawn or whatever. So it was really nice to have
that very kind of like positive focus to it, even though it is a
topic that can feel quite heavy. And I always get worried with
those kind of topics kind of like you said, like, oh, how
much of that do we want to share on the channel and stuff?
And it's like, how much of myself do I want to share in
that way? But I also liked the fact that
you can pick these things that you're passionate about and pick
these things that you want to fight for, but like stay in your
lane. I feel like stay in your lane
came up a couple of times and which always like when I think
stay in your lane, it's never a positive thing, but people seem
to pitch it as a positive thing during the go wild session.
So if we're thinking about staying in our lane, thinking
about something we want to fight for in that space, I guess the
thing that I would vote fight for is the idea that like
creativity and productivity are not opposites.
You can have both. And that's something that like I
will fight for in my content. It's not necessarily a well, I
guess you could say it could be a world changing issue.
You're just not as well changing as other issues.
Question mark. No, it's something if you're
passionate about it and you want to talk about it more, you can.
And that's a really important thing that you just said there,
right? It's like that's something that
you are interested in and that you feel like you can take a
stand on and you can do that. And it doesn't, like I said, it
doesn't have to be anything that you're not comfortable with or
sharing. Like you said, some of that
stuff you do like to keep to yourself.
I think you and I talk often about being like an open book
and we share a lot online about our families and our work and
things like that. But like we don't have to share
all of it and we don't always need to.
And it's all about what you feel comfortable with.
Like I'm not going to ask a random person that messages me
to tell me about their background and their life and
other things like that they're not comfortable with.
But the things I am passionate about, especially around like
inclusivity and making other people feel comfortable, I've
talked about it, you know, from myself as being a guy in a
pretty, you know, more feminine kind of space.
And again, I even use that lightly because it's not 100%
that way. But I have been, you know, a
person that can be representative of a niche part
of this planner community. I mean, how many guys did we see
at Go Wild this year? Just like 4 or 5 maybe?
Yeah. Well, OK.
Like off the top of my head, I know we had Damian, we had Matt,
we had Ryan, we had previous years, we've had Chris and he's
bought the pencil cases that look like peanuts and he wasn't
there this year and I missed him.
I want another peanut. No, that's not the point, but
it's still relevant. Yeah, So, you know, four or
five, you know, people there was there was others too that I saw.
So it's just one of those things where it's like it's awesome to
kind of see that It's not that I feel like I need to be an
activist for the men in the planner community.
Like that's not necessarily it, but it's awesome to see some of
that representation and it's awesome to try to get guys to
feel comfortable enough to share their stuff online.
And while I think it's great, that's not like a big point for
me. It's like, yeah, I'm the guy in
this community, right? But I think that if I really
wanted to lean into that more, I could.
I just personally am like, hey, I would love to see more stuff,
but this community is already fantastic enough and supportive.
Like just join the club essentially versus being one
side or the other. That's just kind of how I look
at it. I also think that it's kind of
nice that even just showing up can be a kind of form of
activism itself. Like I'm going to say like a low
level 1 because for some people showing up as a start is like a
really big deal. But I know that previously I
received to comment saying like, your videos gave me confidence
to, you know, make my own content and such because I was
so self-conscious about my accent.
And I'm like, oh, buddy, in terms of accents, yeah,
Australian can get pretty twaggy.
So I can understand why you might have felt a little weird.
But I'm so glad that you are on the Internet sharing your stuff
now. I also just appreciated that she
also gave us kind of a template so that we can find our own way
to use our creativity for our own activism, own thing that
we're going to fight for. I haven't actually gone applied
the template to anything yet, but I've got it saved in my
photos which means one day I might look at it.
Oh my gosh, the number of screenshots and photos I have in
there. I tried to do a declutter the
other day, there was over 36,000 files.
So like it is very much a future me problem.
But that's OK because that was the last session for day one,
and then we got to reconvene at about 7:00 PM, or 7:05 if you
relate to like we were for the wild crop.
Yeah, the crop this year was pretty awesome.
I mean, last year I got to host and I've got to run a workshop
as well. So it was interesting to see
from the other side of the crop because last year's crop was my
first crop, so I didn't know what to expect or how it worked.
But this year is pretty cool because of this whole book theme
that we had going on. We talked a lot about the books
last episode that we got, but the whole purpose of the book
swap was to be able to use those for the different sessions that
we had going on. And the very first one that we
had was creative annotations. My hands are already tingling
from the anxiety this session gave me.
We'll talk about that in a second, but first, let's hear
from Amy. Well, our first speaker for
Walcroft was Amy, and so she decided to take us through book
journaling and like annotating books and stuff like that, which
I've always been really interested in because I just
think it looks so Dang. Cruel.
It's so. Fun.
So it was really awesome to see your process and such.
My question would be, what made you decide to be a speaker come
out and chat to us this time around?
So I've always wanted to go to go wild like always.
And this is my first one. I will be back.
That's a threat. And with the theme being books,
like it's such a passion of mine.
It just like, you know, when the stars align, the stars align.
Yeah. So I didn't have it exactly.
Yeah. So I was thrilled when I when
Jasmine asked. And yeah, yeah, I hope to get to
do it a million more times. Yeah.
Well, we'd certainly love to have you back because it's like
I said, it's a topic that I'm really personally.
Understood. It's a really big topic and it
can be kind of intimidating, but it's like you can make it so
personal, you know? Exactly.
I like the only examples that you gave, as well as like when
we started off drawing roses and people like why are we drawing
this? I'm like, guys, look at the book
she's got like, it makes a lot of sense.
But for anybody who wasn't able to come into your session, what
would be like kind of the main take away you'd like to lace
them with? I would say like, there really
are no rules and it just comes from practicing and like, you
know, reading is just to be joyful.
And so she's fun and so is art. So as long as you can like, take
the pressure off yourself and maybe get over drawing in a
book. It seems to be like a big part
of maybe everyone's issue. But it can be like so fulfilling
to have this thing in your hands when you're done that you
participated in, you know, like you didn't you just read it, You
were involved in it. Yeah, I like how it like Davins
your experience with the book and such and I think it's just a
really beautiful creative outlet.
Thank you so much for sharing. Thank you.
Thanks so much. So I can very much appreciate
what Amy had to say and what she had to show, but I just cannot,
for whatever reason, just think ever about taking a brush marker
onto the actual page of my book, along the edges, in the margins,
on a blank page. I cannot.
Something about, I can't do it, Jess.
I don't know what it is. I don't know, because I think
that this is something that's common for people.
Like a lot of people think the idea of writing in a book is
like sacrilege. We shan't be doing this.
You shall not pass. Do not let go.
Do not collect $200. For me though, I just not that
sentimental about books. Like if I think about it in
terms of a book versus a notebook and how much I pay in
terms of the difference of those, well, first of all of my
books are secondhand. So like I'm not paying all that
much for them. But anyway, the idea of writing
in that does not bother me as much.
The only reason it would bother me is if it was a book that I
was intending on keeping and I want to keep it kind of pristine
looking. We know I'm a persnickety
biscuit, and I'm a persnickety biscuit in certain areas of my
life more so than others. When it comes to like taking an
old book in particular, like an old secondhand one where the
pages are kind of weathered and stuff, I'm like, Oh my God, this
is the best crafting material. Like I'm going to RIP the shit
out of this book and I'm going to stick it all up in the pages
and it's going to look so cute and great.
For some people. I know the idea of ripping apart
a book is literally the least appealing thing, but I'm like, I
love the fact that it's got the text and it blends into the
background really nicely and it's got the way that look and
just, oh, that is like very appealing to me.
For other people, not so much. You know, I totally feel that it
back when I used to do like mixed media art, I was all about
taking old books and ripping out the pages and creating art and
doing things with it. And I don't know why, like, that
was OK then, but like, I think it was because I was getting
books that had no meaning to me. In some cases, I don't even
know. They were in different
languages, right? They were just literally there
for text and look, but taking a book that I really love, which
is what she talked about and drawing in it over the pages
again, margins, all of that was great.
I can say though, and I have to give respect to Amy too, because
I thought what she taught about doing that was really great,
right? Taking a scene or a moment from
a book and then being able to like decorate the front or the
back covers or anything like that and kind of create your own
version of it, right? Because so often, especially in
those novels, you don't have pictures.
As much as I would appreciate pictures, you don't have them.
So being able to take take what is inside of your memory or your
imagination from a book and then apply it to a page, I really do
appreciate that part of it because I think that we all
interpret different characters differently.
Like I think often back to like when I was reading Harry Potter,
for instance, it was before the movies came out.
So I had in my mind when I thought each character kind of
looked like, and then, you know, you see them up on the screen
and you're like, OK, yeah, that kind of makes sense.
Or it doesn't, right. But being able to like generate
a scene or something that's iconic.
I I really did love that about the session.
I totally get what you mean about like having a certain
version of a character imagined in your mind.
Pretty much for me, any male love interest and majority of
books that I read now looks like Ben Barnes just because like it
fits the vibe most of the time. But in terms of being able to
like decorate the book and kind of it, it feels like a very kind
of intimate relationship with the story.
And I think that that's a part about it that I think is really
nice. It's like very individualized
because what you take out of a book is going to be so different
from what somebody else takes out of a book.
And the parts that kind of like hit for you, we're going to hit
different for other people and such.
So being able to do creativity in and around the book in that
way is quite nice. I personally just do that in my
reading journal rather than in the book itself.
But I also don't read a lot of physical books.
I think that for me in terms of this like book annotation and
decoration and such, I would rather do that with other people
as kind of like a group creative project.
So for instance, like I read the book first, I go through and
highlight all the parts that stuck out and were special for
me, and then I pass it on to another friend and they do the
same thing but maybe in a different colour and they pass
it to another friend and do the same thing but in a different
colour. That's something we've actually
been talking about doing, we just haven't gotten around to it
yet. Also because a lot of the time
we just read the books at the same time as each other.
So you don't all want to be like, OK, so we're going to meet
up on Wednesday night and I'm going to get my highlighter in
yours and we're going to like, oh, don't turn the page because
Monica's a faster reader than the rest of us and Jess is still
over here or like whatever. But I think it'd be fun, I just
haven't done it yet. I think it would be very cool to
see if you would do that. I mean, a collective group art
project is always fun, especially like different
creative backgrounds and like how you approach it would be
neat. And Speaking of the reading
journals, that was the second part of the crop, which was
interesting because I am not a big reading journal person
because I don't really journal that.
So just I don't know if you want to talk about this more because
the only part I got out of it was somebody having stickers
that had jalapenos on it depending on how spicy their
their fairy porn book was. You can't stop it with that.
It is so reductive to the story. Rude.
For anybody out there who is a romantic and to see person like
I am, just know that Mark's opinions are not the opinions of
the Planner Pals podcast. But in terms of those stickers,
they were really bloody cute. And I want to get myself a set
because I love the little jalapenos or like Chili Peppers
or whatever to say the spicy writing.
They weren't like the, you know, like 5 star chilies or whatever.
It was more like a mild, medium scorching kind of thing.
They're really bloody. Cute.
Yeah, it was. It was funny.
I mean, I think you should annotate and draw pictures of
those scenes. I think that would be a fun
group project. I don't think that my artistic
skills or up to par. I think I'd rather just go and
buy the fan art somewhere else. But let's let Erica and Mary,
I'll talk more about this session.
You know anybody who didn't get to see your session, what would
be the kind of like main take away that you would have liked
for them to get it if they were here to experience it with us?
If they want to start a reading journal, whether it's with our
journal or any other journal, they can do whatever they want.
They can if they want to RIP paper, put paper.
If they want to do stickers, they can put stickers, they can
doodle. It doesn't need to be perfect.
It has to be something that they enjoy doing and everybody has
their own way. We saw it on stage.
Erica has a different way from me of making her pages and it's
and this is what makes it so beautiful because everybody
makes it differently. I would definitely echo that.
I would also say one thing I maybe didn't say on stage, but I
really do believe is I think a lot of us are maybe passive
readers. But if you want to engage a
little bit in the books that you read, thinking of like a book
review and like what spoke to you and what didn't speak to you
is a really good way to, like, parse through all that.
Like we've done like book reports and school and stuff
like that. But it doesn't have to be so
academic. It could be fun.
You can use markers, you can use stickers.
And it'll still be a really fulfilling experience to do
that. So in terms of like, deciding to
come and speak to us this evening, what made you decide
like, yeah, we're going to do it?
Well, Jasmine invited me. Shout out Jasmine and the Go
Wild team. I have been attending Go Wild
for quite a while since Austin. I don't remember the exact year
that was, but wild. Has always been amazing to me.
I have grown my business so much here, I have made so many
friends. And so to me, I was definitely a
little nervous when she asked me to do something at the crop, but
I got over that pretty quickly. Yeah.
So Erica actually invited me to join her on stage to present our
journal that we created together.
And I thought that's a great idea.
And I don't think if it, if this was my first go out, I'm not
sure I would have been comfortable to do it.
But this is my third. And I thought, you know what?
This is going to be a great year.
It's going to be something more exciting.
I'm going to go do something I'm not comfortable with because
I've never done this. And this was really fun.
This was super. It was very fun.
Yeah. I think that's the thing, right.
Like, you know, if it was your first time and it's like, oh,
wow. That's really confronting kind
of thing because this is my third year as well.
And we're also speaking tomorrow.
Oh my God, end me. But I'm gonna crush it.
Thank you. At least somebody that is gonna
be fine. It's gonna be fine.
I keep telling myself that. But kind of like you said, like
if it was your first time here, it's just like, oh, wow, that
feels really daunting. And I think the idea of like
being able to do it with someone who you know, like and trust
makes it all a bit more comfortable as well.
I very much respected what they were doing.
I think for me, it's just not something that's super
resignated with me because I don't do that type of
journaling, right? So I was in it for the
creativity and you know, some of like how they're doing it.
I very much respect the creator. But I'm not gonna lie to you,
Jess. It was late and it's like an odd
time. I was hangry and I was just
like, I need food in me. So we we need to end day one.
I think also the fact that our session was gonna be the next
day. So in the back of my mind, it
was just like, you gotta get to bed, you gotta get good sleep,
otherwise you'll be like a trash pander in the morning.
And just the frazzled mess being like, which like me more so than
I already was going to be. But I did appreciate the crop
sessions. I appreciated the bookish
themes. But as someone who does already
have a reading journal as well, I didn't necessarily take a lot
out of the session specifically, like, you know, what they were
talking about in terms of like, you know, this is how you
structure your book review or anything.
And this is the structure that we use in our planner or
whatever else. Because I've already got my own
planner and I've already got my own system.
But I think that like just the general idea of having that
relationship with a book and doing your little book reviews,
not in the sense of like a typed up book review that you do in
school or anything like that, but just giving yourself that
opportunity to reflect a little bit more on your rating.
That's something that I find really valuable about my rating
journal. Yeah, it's just something,
again, I don't fully connect because I don't do that.
Like, I read a book because I'm interested.
I don't really, like, reflect on it or think too deeply about it.
Maybe I would do more of that with like, TV shows, for
instance, you know, like Lost was one of my favorite shows
ever. There's so much within that
space. And you were like thinking
about, you know, what's the lore and like, what's happening and
like, building that out. Like, I wonder if I would make a
lost notebook now, like following along with the
episodes and who is who and who's connected.
Similar to kind of what I did on like, Reddit back in the day
when that was there. I can see how people do that
with books now. So very much respected.
But now it's night, night time because Jess and I have a big
day tomorrow. So we went to bed and then we
woke up and then we were very nervous and excited to kick off
Day 2. Which I thought it was good that
we started with such a relevant topic for they too, because MO
from Pip Sticks got to talk to us about morning routines.
I know mine's terrible. So it was really good to hear
her advice about that. So our first session today was
from MO Pip Sticks, who was telling us all about how to make
a morning routine that actually serves you.
I love an acronym. So I was like, yes, please.
Thank you. That's exactly what I needed.
I mean, for busy people, it's the only way to keep you.
In I know, right? Just it's like gives like a
checklist. I'm like, yeah, I did this, I
did this, I did this. So I really appreciated that.
So obviously not everybody got to be at your presentation.
So what would have been the kind of like 1 take away you would
have wanted them to get if they were here?
The one take away would be that in order to be your best self
and to have a real sense of who you are and to, I think, take
care of the people that you love most, you have to put yourself
1st every day in the morning because that's the only time in
the day before everything else takes over and sidelines.
You know all of your best intentions, so you got to start
early. Even if you're a night owl,
which I am, it's worth waking up for.
No, I, I think that's really fair, especially because like,
you know, if you're the kind of person like me who rolls over
and the first thing you do in the morning is check your phone,
you're letting somebody else set the priorities for you.
I know I'm a girl. We all know that we shouldn't do
it and we all do it, which is why as soon as you wake up, you
have to get your butt out of bed quickly.
Yeah. A very fairpoint, yeah.
Yeah. In terms of being part of the
wild community, what is the thing that you love most about
that? I love the diversity of the
community. I feel like every time I'm here,
I feel like I'm at a Dolly Parton concert in that, you
know, everybody from all over the country, all over the world
comes together and we just have fun together.
And it doesn't matter, you know, what your background is, what
your beliefs are, where you come from, where you're going.
Everybody just connects over for us stickers.
And it's just incredible to see that energy and to have the time
to really connect with people again and again and again over
the course of a few days. I loved her presentation as
well, especially as a parent and understand especially when your
kids are younger versus older, you know you're taking care of
them so often and rarely are you always taking care of yourself.
I think I ate a whole lot of like kids food, like whatever
they didn't eat growing up, especially for breakfast because
that's all I could get in my mouth before I had to go to
work. So it was awesome to hear that.
My favorite thing that she said during her session and even when
you were talking with her is the idea of having to take care of
yourself before you can take care of others, right?
Like if you are not at your best, you can't always help
others be at their best. And I think just taking that
moment and whatever moment you have so often, and she talked
about like if you can take an hour in your morning and
everyone's like, who has that? Like I got, you know, no, that's
not happening. If it's 20 minutes, like it
whatever you can kind of get or take, make sure that you do it.
And I think that for me was a really big thing that I took
away from her session. I think that what would have
been better about that session is not having our session
directly after it, because it meant that for the most of it,
while I was sitting there, I'm just going.
I'm nervous, I'm nervous, I'm nervous, I'm nervous.
Great. And we had to miss the end part
of it because we were backstage getting all miked up and stuck
up with different things in different parts of our shirts
and and our pants. But aside from that, it was
awesome because yeah, we were up next.
Productivity journaling was our topic.
And I think, you know, everyone was asking like, are we going to
do a separate session or talk on the podcast about it?
Well, we're going to do that right now.
So Mark now as you've just gotten off the stage, quote,
quote a go wild. What was the key take away you
would have wanted people to get out of your session?
Well, thank you, Jess. It was really fantastic to be on
stage and be able to talk with everyone around topics that
luckily not a whole lot of people knew about, which I think
was my favorite part of it. For me, the big thing that I
want everyone to take away from our session is that there are a
lot of different ways to get your ideas out and to organize
them and that there are different tools that you need
for different times and planning.
So being able to have a toolbox of different ways to approach
problem solving, how to take all of your thoughts and put them
into a more organized fashion. There are a lot of there, so
just understanding and knowing and how they work is really
helpful. And that way you could just
bring them into your journal whenever you want.
How about you Jess? What did you want people to take
away from your session? What I wanted them to take away
versus what they took away might be two completely different
things. I just appreciated the number of
people who tagged us in pictures after the session being like,
oh, you know, these are the notes I took down or whatnot.
And the number of people who took down a note about I'm not
the shape I want to be was great.
Effectively, I was talking about, oh, you know, if you're
going to make yourself a list of prompts so the you can do a
really thorough brain dump and you can have different life
areas like physical health and you can break that down and talk
about nutrition and hydration and exercise so that you can
quote, get in shape. And then I said, well,
technically I am a shape. I'm just not the shape I want to
be. And the number of people who
wrote that down, I'm like, no, that wasn't the point of the
session. But also, I'm glad you were
listening. No, it was so incredibly well
done and timed. I think for me, the big thing
about that and we talked about it a bit last episode is that I
didn't know how to present with you meaning like, am I at work
presentation mode where it's like professional content, you
know, delivering or essentially just being like our how we are
on the podcast. And it was just one of those
things that like as soon as we kind of got into it, I was like,
oh, this is just like the podcast And we just did what we
always do, which is like crack random jokes and do that.
And just so everyone knows, none of that stuff was planned out
aside from like the main topics that we talked about on each of
the different like methods in different ways to do that.
That's just how awesome Jess and I are.
We just think of random things to say to each other all the
time. Yeah, and put on random voices
and such because that's like my coping mechanism for being
nervous. But also just like how I
typically present because a lot of people came up to me.
They're like, wow, you use a lot of voices?
Is that like a natural thing? I'm like, yes, I was.
I was scared. You did so good.
And for anyone who didn't know about it, we talked about
productivity methods, obviously. So we talked about the Ivy
League method and I got to tell my favorite story about that.
We got to talk about the Eisenhower matrix.
We got to talk about time blocking and the Alice Tower
method. Like all of the things that we
already used and you can all find on our YouTube channel.
We just combined them all into one talk for basically everyone
in the audience who, again, didn't really know about a lot
of those different methods because they use different
planners or different approaches to how they planned.
So I was very happy with how happy everyone else was with the
content we were able to deliver. Yeah, no, it was really
satisfying just to have it so that then there was not that
many people in the room who knew what we were talking about, at
least initially. Hopefully after the fact they
knew something, otherwise we didn't present very well, did
we? But even if they did know like
one or two, they didn't know all of them.
So it's just a way to help them build out their productivity
toolkit, which was really cool. And then after us, we had a
health and Wellness session, and that was a really good one too,
because it was coming from a lot of different perspectives and we
got to talk with some of those presenters and share a little
bit more about their takes on mental health and Wellness.
We just had the Wellness panel, which was led by Alexa here.
So I just wanted to check in and ask if there was one thing that
people could have gotten out of your session, what would you
want to have been? The power of using journaling as
a tool for your healing, and the fact that you actually deserve
to heal. No, 100%.
I think that like a lot of people were really impacted by
the things that you guys had to share and such.
And that's such a good message and take home because I know a
lot of us have a lot of it's just a hard time with like
putting ourselves 1st and recognizing the like actually
you are worth getting the help that you need and such.
I would definitely say support. I think and being able to relate
to someone when it comes to journaling, planning, just all
things planning related, knowing that there's somebody out there
that cares, that values them. Support.
So I would say that it's OK to take a break because if you
don't, your body will shut down and it's going to do it for you.
So it's better to plan it ahead of time and schedule yourself
care moments and schedule the time for yourself because if you
don't, it will do it for you and in most an inconvenient time
ever. Trust me, I know.
Ask me how I know. I would want everyone to know
that change doesn't happen like magically.
Like it's so easy to see the quotes that it's like it'll get
better. And so you live by that without
actually making any positive variables come into the
equation. So without those variables being
added, then it won't get better. And like manifesting and just
believing and better doesn't work until you start making
changes. Yeah, I love that.
Is that I like I'm, you know, change doesn't work unless you
do. And yeah, which is kind of like
sometimes a conflict of those ideas of like, oh, you grow
through what you go through, but it's like, it doesn't kind of
like doesn't give you your autonomy, I guess.
Yeah, like a. General quote doesn't really
help anyone. Yeah, I think that's a really
good point. I think that that's something
that is, like, can be so powerful if you remember it, and
you get to like, you know, take your power back in that way.
I think my favorite was getting to speak to Amanda H Lee.
It was a real shame you didn't capture that one.
I'm kidding. It's fine.
It was a little unfortunate Mark this double hit the record
button at the start and then hit it at the end to cut off the
recording and it started recording the floor.
So I got some really good shots of Amandae leg and somebody's
shoes. It was one of those things I did
so well on every single other one.
Why one of the most important people in the general like our
unisphere of like bullet journaling and creative
journaling, That's the one that I mess up of all the entire
ones. I'm so mad at myself about it.
It's OK next year, next year you won't miss anybody and we'll be
fine and they'll keep inviting us back.
Yeah, I won't miss anything because next year Jess won't let
me touch any. The equipment.
That's what. That's why I won't mess up next
year. This is why I don't work with
people. Usually I know I can trust
myself. I can't trust him.
It's all about the kind of thing that it's like if I stuff
something up, I can just be annoyed at myself and it's fine.
This is the same reason that I don't let vocal do things around
the house. He's like, oh, I can plug the
hole in the wall. I can patch that up.
I'm like, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna get like a
professional to do it so that then if something goes wrong,
I'm annoyed at somebody who will leave the house.
I don't have to pay them. Maybe rather than getting
annoyed at him and still having to live with him, he knows I'm
talking about him. He's standing right here.
I think he should defend himself, get him over here to
defend himself. Hello, yeah I can do some
things, but the reason I'm incompetent is because just
doesn't let me do anything. I'm right there.
That's right. You stand up for yourself, Sir.
You don't let her tell you what. You get it, you know, Go put a
hole in the wall right now and you fill that sucker back.
No more holes in my wall. Oh my God, I came back with
three U holes in my walls. They can't.
Holes in my wall. You.
All that, all that. Yeah, yeah.
This is why you're not allowed to do things.
Go back to your office. That's just the one she knows
about. No, dear.
He's got a bunch of little hamster holes all over the house
that he's just like, I'm gonna leave it right here and Jess is
now never gonna know. What a minute.
Now one of the big things I got out of the actual health and
Wellness session though, what was really resonated me is
actually from Amanda as she was talking about the different
comments and things that you get online and especially for us
when you are putting things out there on the Internet, people
will respond back to you. I call them the the keyboard
warriors, right? That have no issue whatsoever
letting you know what you did right or wrong from their
perspective. The thing is, is that while most
people will say like now, I let that roll off my back, I'll tell
you from my perspective, that is a defense mechanism.
Like I will forever remember the rudest comment anyone had ever
left on any of my things. And let me go ahead and just say
that for you right now. Just so you have an example.
This also was a comment that was left on my YouTube Channel Four
or five years ago. It was, I would rather chew
marbles and poop glass than create the spread that you just
did inside of your bullet journal.
But I remember in that and just being like, was that a waste of
time? Like one person said that to me
and I was like, was that a waste of time?
You know, disregard the other, you know, 30 or 40 comments that
said that it was fantastic. But like that stuff does affect
people. And especially when you are
doing this full time or part time or spending your time doing
anything, it is so important to just know like what you say and
do do does affect other people regardless of how happy they are
on camera. Like I think about that comment
often enough that I just brought it up again.
I think it's also a tricky thing.
Yeah. It's like because I technically,
I do definitely have comments like that, like the person who
said like you need to do something about your skin stat.
And I'm like, no, sorry, that's just my face.
I'm a warm lady with a rosy complexion, not a drunk.
If you were wondering if you know, you might, you might be
wondering, but no. But I I also find that even the
well meaning comments sometimes aren't great.
Like recently I put out a video that was about my health
journal, which is always going to be an interesting kind of
topic and people will have a lot of opinions and such and even
people who they genuinely mean well and they want to help you
out. Sometimes if you're not, you
know, workshopping your comment in a way that makes it more
positive, it comes off as like a you're wrong.
I'm right. You must do this, otherwise you
will fail at your health goals. It's like, Nope, don't need
that. Like you said it, it's probably
is just a defense mechanism to kind of ignore them nowadays.
My new thing that I've been telling myself is wow, what an
interesting use of your free will or wow, what an interesting
use of your creativity. Because I had somebody comment
saying, oh, it looks like you've been doing too many fork to
facelifts. And it took me like a good 5
minutes to figure out that they were calling me fat.
I'm like, you could have just said fat.
Like that would have been fine. That would have just saved us
both a lot of heartache. Oh my gosh, I'm sorry that that
I'm apologizing for that person that is.
See, that's the kind of stuff that is just like why It's so
unnecessary and toxic. We don't need that in the
community. It's always intended as an
insult though, and I'm just like a congratulations, you have
eyes. Like, yes, I am fat, but that
doesn't mean that I'm not creative or can't be pretty or
don't have great ideas to share, which is kind of the point of my
channel. So it's like, wow, you picked up
on something that wasn't the point of the video.
Congratulations. Yeah, the thing, the truth of
that is that they weren't there for their content.
They somehow stumbled across it. They decided that they were in a
hateful mood that day and they wanted to spread that.
And and that is just unnecessary, right.
But stuff that happens and obviously it does affect us in
different ways. And we can say that doesn't
bother me. Or are you going to put it in
different spots? I mean, the other thing too that
I got out of this session was from Taylor.
And she talked about paying attention to your body and
because your body will be telling you things.
And I think both from a physical standpoint, but also from like a
mental health standpoint too, that's something I really got
out of that was, you know, that that weird feeling that you have
that's not like a physical pain necessarily or like something's
wrong, but like just something you sense is kind of off.
It's just another way that you say it's like your body is
trying to tell you something, but you have to kind of pay
attention to it, right? Be in tune with it to really
understand what that is. And I think that was a really
powerful message that I got from the panel too.
It's a hard thing to teach, I feel, which is probably why a
lot of us don't know how to do it.
That idea of listening to your body, paying attention to when
things are quote wrong, because sometimes they don't necessarily
present as wrong, it's just presenting as different.
And if you don't have a label that kind of goes with that
difference, then you don't necessarily know what's going on
for you. I know that, you know, trackers
and such energy, mood trackers, gratitude, love, all of these
kind of things can help you kind of put together the pieces and
paint that picture for yourself. But it isn't a skill that is
readily taught to us, I feel. No, and we talk so often about
it being performative where we feel like we have to use those
just to have them in my journal versus actually using the data
that you are pulling from those type of trackers to make change,
right, either positive or negative.
So I think that was a really important thing for me to to pay
more attention to just, you know, as I think about how I am
moving forward with my own time and energy and like how I'm
approaching things, it's also good to know that you're not
alone. And I think that was something
else, too, that I really liked is, you know, listening to other
people, you know, so often. And, you know, we all watch
Amanda, Rachel, these videos. Maybe you don't.
But, you know, she is a big YouTube presence.
And so you think, oh, she's perfect.
She's untouchable. Like, everything she does is
perfection. She never has to worry.
She's never stressed out. And then you just realize, like,
yeah. But behind that, there's so much
stuff going on and there's a lot of experiences and things that,
you know, she's dealt with specifically.
And for me as someone that's like in that same space, I
always take a lot out of those sessions for that because I can
very much relate. Maybe not having millions of
followers to the level she does are my own products, but it's
definitely something that just adds levels on top of it.
Like you're like, oh, she has her own notebook.
You're like, do you know how much pressure and things that
have to be done for that to be successful?
Because she is handling that all on her own And just like taking
that second to realize that or you know, so often she talks
about it too, like, you know, God forbid she doesn't post her
monthly setup on the 1st of the month, the day before the 1st of
the month. She doesn't like mid month.
And I'm thinking, how terrible to have people, like, yelling at
you being like, where is this video?
I need it. And you're just like, whoa,
like, I didn't have time to do that just yet.
Like, that's a lot of pressure. I also really like the point
that she made about when you work for yourself as someone who
works for themselves, it's very easy to see like more output
equals more outcome. Whereas if you're in a salaried
kind of job, it's like if I do my hours kind of regardless of
how much I get done, like within reason, we don't want to be put
on a PIP. As long as you're doing the
tasks that have been assigned to you, at the end of the day, you
wrap up your time, you're done, you get your paycheck kind of a
thing. Whereas working for yourself,
there aren't necessarily those readily established boundaries
to hold you to just working between set hours.
It's like, Oh well, I could work till 10, I could work till 2:00
AM. No one's here to stop me.
Like several of my journal setup videos, I don't know how I
managed to pull them off considering I was filming at
like 4:00 AM to get those done. Like because there was nobody
there to stop me. I just did it.
And especially when it's work you love, especially when it's
stuff that you just enjoy, because then it doesn't feel as
much like work. But it isn't restful in the way
the genuine rest activities are, which can lead to burnout.
So it was nice to hear her touch on that point and kind of hear
that that is something she has also suffered with.
Because otherwise it's like, oh, everybody's out here like
running their own small businesses and such and they're
doing all these great things and whatever and I'm just a burnt
out, sad mess. It's like, haha, no, we're all
burnt out, sad messes. That doesn't sound like a good
thing to be happy about, but it's like it's nice to know that
other people understand the difficulty.
Yeah, it most certainly is. Well, let's go ahead and
dovetail into the next session, which was actually about endless
creativity. We talked a lot episode about
editing, right? I sat at their table, I got all
the gear. I'm very excited about all of
the stationary that I got from them.
And they had a great session as well, just talking about
bringing their products into the United States and kind of
outside of their space. It's funny, when we talked about
it, we got some messages where like I live in Germany and like
everyone has editing products like in their drawers.
They're essentially the Sharpie, just not in the US, right?
And I thought it was really cool to hear them talk about their
passion behind stationary and bringing those things to the US
specifically. They have such an amazing line
of products. I've been playing with the
metallic markers. I actually have some blackout
sticky notes that I was like, I'll never use these.
I just don't think about pulling out the pens.
And I've been using the metallic markers so much that now I'm
just like, oh I'm gonna go ahead and use the metallic markers
today to write a little post it note.
I didn't actually get an opportunity to use any of the
markers. That feels like a complete lie.
I totally had the opportunity. I just didn't take it because I
know that we did get some Eddie markers at our table to play
around with and to have a look at.
Not for keeps, just for being able to do the session that
followed. But in terms of the the
collection, would you say that the metallic ones are your
favorite or? I mean, I will say that the
metallic ones work really well. It's an easy graph for me
because I've had them out and I've been using them, but their
glitter brush pens are nice. I got to use them at the table
and I was really impressed with what that looked like there.
The fine liners are really nice too.
They have a longer kind of nib to them, so when I was using
those for me personally, I felt like I had a lot of space to
write and kind of can reach with those without having to be like
right on top of my paper. So excited to experiment more
and explore more with them. But yeah, it's just a an easy
grab at this point. Now I'm like, yeah, this looks
cool. It's nice and opaque.
It's doing its job. But of course, we did get some
of those at the table to play around with, in particular the
textile markers, I believe because in our next session we
were drawing on canvas bags. Well, as some of us were I, I
decided to bippity boppity back the heck out of that one because
I'm like, Nope, I'm going to stuff it up.
The perfectionist mentality came out, but it was really good to
see you get in there and draw some stuff down.
Yeah, it was awesome. They were doing a little bit of
lettering along with using that textile markers.
It was really cool to see people at the table experiment and
explore and that I created mine and I'm excited to use it.
No, I think that the most impressive part about that
session, though, was Lisa just getting in and showing her
process because she was just like so speedy with it.
And I know she left a lot of people very impressed.
I feel like you left everybody just being like, how did you do
that so quickly? And that's the difficult thing.
As someone who has practiced this for so long.
I think the first time I had a calligraphy pen in my hand was
in middle school, and I've not put them down since.
And so to me, doing it all the time makes it go fast.
So I tried to break it down into steps, but inevitably the nerves
also kick in and we're going a little faster than we planned.
No beneficial. I also loved your point that you
made though about the idea that you don't need a lot of practice
to get like worlds better. And that's the thing.
It's like even just by like you're doing it a little bit on
and off and stuff. The like rate of progress that
you make is actually quite impressive.
Yes, and I've gotten that feedback a lot because people
think if they get a book they have to do like 3 pages of it to
be to count as practice. Like, no, that's not what I do.
Like the edges of my book. They might have an alphabet.
I might want to play with a single letter to see how I can
change what that capital looks like.
You don't have to follow the. Rules.
You make your own rules. For sure, for people who didn't
get to see your session today, what would have been like the
one take away that you would have wanted them to have?
Don't give up. Everyone has this bit of
creativity that they. Swear.
That they don't, but you do. And it doesn't look like my art.
It doesn't look like your art. There's a little bit in you.
If you give yourself the chance to play, it's going to.
Come, that's a really good point as well, because I feel like a
lot of people in our community are like, oh, you're so
creative. I'm not creative, but it's like
your creativity doesn't have to look like mine.
Absolutely, yeah. It would be so boring if it did.
Exactly. I'm like that.
Then it's not really creative. Then it's just like a Prince of
Prince. Wait, we all look like a stamp?
And while we love stamps, we get to all use them differently.
Exactly. My favorite part about Lisa is
actually that she talked about being a part of the community
and this being her first time up on stage and how excited she was
to see her friends out in the audience, like cheering her on.
I can very much relate to that because there's nothing better
than like doing something that's a little nerve wracking, but
knowing that you have the backing of your friends and your
community to do that. So I was so impressed by how she
did things to the fact that she could write and draw and talk
all at the same time. She's a much better person than
I am. I am unable to do those things.
Yeah, that that skill set is not a skill set that is innate for
me. I'm practicing, I'm getting
there, But no actually like being able to draw things out
and just keep talking about other stuff, especially when
you're writing words. I'm like, if I am trying to
write words and talk about something at the same time, they
better be the same words. Otherwise, Wolf.
In my reading journal recently I was sitting there talking to a
friend about I don't even know what I was trying to write down
that I watched the movie Wicked and I ended up writing Wicked
Wings. Yay chicken.
But like no, that is not what I intended to write down.
And This is why you don't talk and write at the same time.
Yeah, it's definitely special. So we got to wrap up the day
with our keynote speaker, which I felt kind of bad about it
because I didn't know a whole lot about John Green.
I feel like everybody else knew everything about him.
My wife knew about it, but I was like, I don't know that I've
necessarily heard of him before. But then as he was talking and
sharing about his novels and how some of them become movies, I
was like, oh, OK, now I get it. But I think for me, one of my
favorite parts is that you got to interview him, which I think
was just perfection. So we just had our keynote
speaker, John Green talk to us and I would just wanted to say
that I'm so close to the end of your book.
I was trying to finish it. Thank.
You so much for reading it. But the best part is, is that
like my my partner, he did a biochemistry degree and now he's
in patent examining or like patents.
Yeah, you were talking about the Johnson Johnson stuff.
I'm just like A and that's what he comes home and bitches about.
Yeah, yeah, you know all about that.
Exactly like I've heard the story before.
No, it was. It's been really good and I'm
really enjoying it. Thank you.
So for anybody who didn't get to come and see your presentation,
what would have been the like #1 take away you would have wanted
them to get out of it? I think the biggest take away
was how important it is to find communities like this one and
connect with the other people in online spaces, in real life
spaces, in hybrid online real life spaces, because that is
where what Kurt Vonnegut called the terrible disease of
loneliness can actually be cured.
Yeah, No, for sure. And I, I like some your points
about the idea of like your community, like the nerd
fighters and stuff, and how we had some of them here in the
crowd as well. Yeah, it was great to see some
nerd fighters here. It doesn't surprise me that
there's some frost over between this community and nerd fight
area. Yeah, no, I think that there's
also something like like Planter Palace kind of community as
well. And when they heard that you
were going to be here, they're like, Oh my God, I need to get
tickets to go wild. But I've like never been before
and such. So it was really cool to hear
you kind of like give them a shout out while you were here in
terms of like building community in your life.
What's kind of like the number one value that you say in that
to yourself? I try to find people who love
the same things that I love, whether that's, you know, in my
life, caring a lot about tuberculosis and the people who
are fighting TB or caring about the stupid fourth year soccer
team I support. When you find people whose love
is oriented in the same direction as yours, that's when
you found your people. Yeah, I, I, I very much valued
your point about the fact that it's like, oh, we don't all have
to be on the same page, but it's like you're looking for like
spirited people, not like minded people in that kind of way.
Yeah, that's a beautiful way of putting it.
It was really funny trying to prepare for that interview
because I mean, just preparing for Go Wild in general.
I decided to read his book literally because we were going
to go wild and he was going to present like in preparation for
the Washington DC von. I tried to make sure to watch
Hamilton because we had Elise Goldsberry, who wasn't going to
be there. But then I didn't really know
how to prepare for Martha Stewart.
I'm like, do I go buy a home cookbook or something?
She's done like everything. I'm like, I know Martha Stewart.
I don't really feel like I need to prepare to see her other than
like emotionally and spiritually.
But in terms of doing research, not so much.
In terms of John Green, though I had heard of him before he was
announced, so having him announced was quite exciting.
But I haven't actually read any of his books.
So I was like, OK, we must read a book from John Green before we
get there. And it just so happened that
everything as tuberculosis was coming out.
And so reading through that, there were just so many points
in there that I'm like, oh, I could talk with him about this.
Oh, I could talk with him about that.
And of course, it's just a very short interview.
You don't want to talk his ear off.
He had other places to be with other people to meet and such.
So it was still nice to highlight the fact that his book
had been really good. I did really enjoy it in the
end. I'm not really a history book
kind of reader, but I think that he did such a good job of
actually making it relevant. I mean, the title is Everything
is Tuberculosis, so you hope that it's relevant, but just
tying all of the pieces together and seeing where TB has kind of
affected human history and also the people that it's affected.
And such. One part that I didn't really
get to talk with him about because again, short interview
other places to be other people to say was the idea of it being
a kind of like poet's disease and how it was kind of thought
of as this very kind of beautiful thing because of the
way it would impact the human body.
And it would give you the rosy complexion and it would give you
the kind of like, I don't know, snatched look kind of a thing
because you just don't eat kind of a thing which, you know, not
eating and thus losing weight because of it.
Not a great thing. But it really bought into
question the idea of when people say like, oh, wow, you look so
good. You're looking great.
You know how things been going for you.
And it's literally because you've been sick, so you haven't
been eating. So you've like lost a bunch of
weight. And it's like, cool, I look
great because I was genuinely ill.
And that is definitely something that has happened to me before.
So it was an interesting point to find in the book.
It was one of those topics where I thought it was just the name
of the book, but the content was going to be different.
Then it was like, no, this is literally the history of
tuberculosis. And I was like, oh, OK, all
right. But what I was glad to get from
it more than anything was about community.
And we talked about that a whole lot.
And I think the biggest thing that I really got from him was
the idea of the hybrid approach to different types of
communities and again, relating directly to Go Wild and being on
Instagram and YouTube, right? And kind of 1 sided the camera
versus not seeing anybody else is that we have these
opportunities to come together and to be a hybrid community and
the importance of being able to do that and like what that means
for individuals, what that means for a community specifically.
That's really what I got out of it.
So I was like, OK, I don't know a lot about this topic
specifically. I don't know if I would
necessarily read that book. I'm sure I'd be more happy
reading a different one of his. But it was still really cool
just to hear him talk and just, you know, he is a real writer.
He's an author, he's an artist of words, and just hearing him
talk about his approach and how he did that was really neat.
And I, again, that's what I took away from it more than anything.
But that's what I love about all of these different sessions,
Jess, is that we can all listen to the same person and take
something totally different away from it.
No, I do think that the emphasis on community and the importance
of it. And as he kind of mentioned that
idea of feeling curing the disease of loneliness and such.
And because I think that a lot of the time we don't think about
loneliness as a disease, but it is like, given the way that
loneliness impacts the body, you can certainly think of it as a
disease, like in terms of the way that it actually impacts
your mental health and such. But then how that kind of
relates to stress and then how that will impact your physical
health and such. You know, with with health in
general just being all related, it's very, you know, noodle
soup, everything is connected. It does make sense in that
sense, but it's not necessarily something that we would
immediately think of as like, Oh yes, disease, especially not
like infectious disease. Depression as a whole, right, is
stuff that people will suffer through and kind of be through.
That's just about loneliness. I know it's a lot more than
that, but like it can put you in a depressive state depending who
you're around, if you are around other people or everything
connected. I feel a lot of that feeds
through kind of how you interact with people and, and what that
does to others and how they react and how you do.
So there's a lot of interconnectivity for sure.
And I think that's just something you don't usually
think about. I think like from a topic
perspective, it's like, wait, what it wait a second?
What is this about? And then you really start to
dive into it more and you got to hearing him speak about the
topics and like his approaches were really super interesting.
I got a lot out of that. I think that the most
controversial point that he touched on was how he likes to
annotate books by tearing the pages at the sections that he
wants to come back to. And like, sure, I don't have a
lot of sentimentality for books. I don't really mind how people
treat them, but that feels like a very interesting system and
one that I shall not be using. The way that the entire room
clutched their pearls when he said that it like audibly gasped
and he was like whoa. Oh yeah, this is definitely not
the room for that comment. Sorry I.
Think it's one of those things you could probably like train
yourself to be OK with it, but I don't, I don't want to like if
it's a crafting book. If it's a book that I have
designated for being scrap paper, sure.
But if it's one that I have designated as being like a
reference book and I want to come back to it and such, I
would rather take a highlighter to the page.
Then I would just RIP the page. Well, having John Green speak
and having him talk and answer questions was great.
And you know, we saved the best for last, though I think
personally, because I don't think that you could have had a
more successful Go Wild event without the Hostess, with the
mostess, the one, the only Miss Amy Tangerine.
Amy Tangerine was our MC kind of like host for the entire affair
this year, which was very exciting.
So what made you say yes to being our like, you know,
Hostess with the mostest? Honestly, I love being a part of
the community and I thought if Go Wild is asking me to do
something I've never done before, they trust me enough to
take on the task. And as nervous as I was to say
yes, once I made that commitment, I just knew that I
had their support and it's a community I already love, So
what could go wrong? Yeah.
Go wrong. I mean that's the thing you
bought the energy. It was all very much appreciated
the way you kind of like introduced everybody and got
everybody hyped. Like I know like going on to
stage. I was so nervous and hearing you
kind of hyper. Someone like OK Amy.
Believes in me so funny. You don't realize how nervous
people are because people can put on a good front and, and
honestly, I'm not even trying to put other people at ease.
I want the community to have the best experience possible, right?
It's really about the people connecting and you all have such
great energy and connection between you.
It's so fun and really inspiring to see people get giddy over all
that you're showing them. And you had some really cool
terms that I wrote down. I'm glad, yeah.
I like to bring the lexicon to the fable.
Like in terms of the community of Go Wild and such.
What would be like your kind of like favorite thing about these
people? Truly, just the fact that they
show up and say yes, right? They take their seat at the
table. It takes a lot to do that.
And I think that nobody has it easy and it's not easy to get
here, clearly, right? I and I really appreciate that
Once a year this happens in a place that might be convenient,
might not be convenient for you, but people say yes to it.
They show up and they show up and they're present and they're
here. And there's nothing like the way
people connect in person. I know online is so wonderful
and we can have great access to podcasts and social media, but
in person you almost can't describe it.
And so you have to experience it for yourself.
And another thing is, I know that people say Go Wild just
once a year, but I really believe every experience is once
in a lifetime because we will never have this Go Wild indie
again. And if you missed it, I'm so
glad you you all are covering it for people who couldn't make it
in person. But I strongly encourage people.
There was somebody here who flew for the first time.
She's an adult and she had never been on a plane.
And you know what she said to herself?
She made sure she wasn't going to miss Go Wild.
She wanted to try it. First timer, newbie and the
first time on the plane and her first time singing karaoke.
And guess what she chose? Itsy busy spider.
I love it. Oh my gosh.
I think that's the thing. It's like a lot of people are
like, oh, I don't know if I want to go like what?
If I don't. Know anyone like it's going to
be awkward, but it's like you kind of said, there is such an
energy here and being like in the room where it happens,
there's such like a a power that comes with that.
Absolutely. And everybody's unique, so even
if you are a little nervous, it's OK to say that too.
And guess what? Chances are the people around
you at your table, who you meet, you never know what's going to
connect you. And it's always usually
something really interesting and good or fountain pens or funny
inks or sayings that you have. There's something that ties us
together and it's beyond a love of paper.
It's really about a love of people.
I know she said it wasn't her intention to like, you know,
hype people up before they got on stage or whatnot, but it very
much had that effect on me personally.
It was nice to hear her kind of like cheer you on to get you
amped up to go on stage because as previously mentioned,
somebody was a nervous wreck, so being able to have somebody kind
of already cheering for you before you stepped out was quite
nice. She always brings that energy
anytime I'm around her. She's this little ball of
happiness and sunlight that you see.
You know, she's always saying hello.
I mean, when I was at that DC show where I just snuck in
there, I saw her and like, she knew who I was.
And I was like, how do you know who I am?
Like, I know who you are. Amy Tangerine, you do not know
me. And she's always been very
supportive and very kind and very nice, which I can always
appreciate. But yeah, having a little
cheerleader back there and her outfits were amazing.
Every single day she came out with a different level of gear
on, which was great. And then having the ability to
talk to her at the end and kind of reflect on that.
I mean, what you don't realize if you've never had to host and
do that, there's so much that happens behind the scenes.
Memorizing the people that you're going to introduce and
making sure you don't say their names wrong and what are their
topics and who they are. I mean, even for myself, she,
you know, talked about us when she introduced us and was like,
you know, him for his fountain pens.
And I was like, do people know me that I love fountain pens?
I guess they do because I do talk about them a lot.
But it was just interesting to like hear someone else say that
about me, which was really cool. So it was just fantastic to hear
her talk. And she's been such a big part
of the creative, like planning community as well.
And just she was a great person to have host.
I don't know anybody else that could do it.
No, very much that it was a great opportunity for us to get
to speak to the speakers and also to the volunteers and just
the whole behind the scenes thing was so great.
I know that that's a very simple word to summarize it, but it
felt really excellent. I, I was kind of nervous going
into it. It's like, oh gosh, we're going
to interrupting people and they're not going to want to
speak to us. But everybody was so
accommodating. Everybody was so willing to give
us their time and like, let us share their voice and highlight
them. But question for you, Planner
Powell, which of the sessions sounds like it would have been
the most interesting to you? Which one do you think you would
have gotten the most out of? Or if you were there, which one
did you get the most out of? Let us know either in the
comments or you can e-mail us at plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or
hit us up on Instagram at Planner Pals Podcast.
Well, that is a wrap on our Go Wild coverage for 2025.
Last episode we talked about it be in New Orleans, so we'll see
if we're going. Jess and I already are setting
up our only Feet pages. We're becoming men and women of
the night. We'll do everything we can to be
there to be able to bring you more great event coverage.
Or someone could always sponsor us, Jess, and we won't have to
do any of those things. Bring Planner Pals podcast back
to go wild next year. Let's just put that energy out
into the universe and see who answers the call.
Yeah, it would be really, really awesome to not have to spend
another 6K, but also like, you know, I'm gonna be there anyway.
In terms of next time's topic though, we're going to be
looking at trying to store all the supplies that we got from Go
Wild and also the stuff that was already in our stash because,
you know, it's a lot. Stationary storage is something
that I know a lot of us struggle with, so we're going to be
sharing our techniques for storing our hordes.
Until then though, thanks for watching.