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Welcome to the Flanner Pals 
Podcast, a podcast hosted by two

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true planner pals. 
I'm Jess or Jessie Curran. 

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And my name is Mark, and I go by
Mark your pages. 

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And I'm so excited for today's 
episode, Jess, because we are 

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covering Part 2 of Go Wild. 
Last episode, we focused a lot 

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on the volunteers and the 
community of Go Wild. 

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But this time we're going to 
talk about the sessions. 

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We have all of the interviews 
that you did, which were 

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absolutely spot on, so much 
better than I did for sure, as 

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well as our takes on the topics 
and some of the big takeaways 

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from each of the sessions. 
Before we get get into that 

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though, thank you to everybody 
who left a comment on our last 

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episode. 
It was really cool to hear your 

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thoughts about either go wild if
you attended or what would kind 

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of like incentivize you to 
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It was really good to have some 
back and forth about that 

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because we have people who 
definitely want to come and it 

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just isn't viable, people who 
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And for people that just like, 
Nope, I am fully introverted, 

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that does not sound like my cup 
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Which I found to be so 
interesting because the whole 

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episode people were sharing how 
they are introverts and how Go 

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Wild really helped them kind of 
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So then, yeah, it sees up in 
that comments being like, I 

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could never do that. 
I'm like, you're actually the 

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prime person for it because 
these are your people. 

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If you're going to ever feel 
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somebody. 
It's talking about pens and 

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notebooks and planners. 
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I completely respect everyone's 
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Yeah, no, I in particular like 
the comment saying like, oh God,

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there's too many people. 
I'd have to tap out by 12. 

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I'm like, well that's kind of 
perfect because most of the 

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sessions finished by like 2. 
So if you can hold out for just 

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like 2 extra hours, we'd love to
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So. 
Let's go ahead and kick into day

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one. 
It's a great place to start. 

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Even though it's early in the 
morning, getting in early is 

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definitely key. 
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which is choosing your table. 
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finding the right one for you. 
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you're so overly excited about 
all the stickers and stationary 

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you have at your desk, it's time
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Look up at the big screen as we 
talk about the very first 

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session, which was life in 
Seasons, which was very 

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interesting because I've never 
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seasons. 
And I think what Heather Cal of 

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Cal of a Plan talk about that 
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In terms of your session, now 
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here got to see it, but for 
anybody who wasn't watching what

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would have been like 1 take away
that you would have wanted them 

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to get from it. 
Probably that. 

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Just do what you have to do to 
make your plan or work for you. 

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No matter what season you're in,
whether that's changing to a new

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planner or just changing how you
use your current planner, just 

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make your planner work for you. 
I just wanted to know, in terms 

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of like being a speaker, what 
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opportunity? 
So I've been going to Go Wild 

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since 2018. 
And back then I was just like a 

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regular planner with a regular 
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And then through the years I've 
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But I feel like through the 
whole, everything that I've gone

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through, Go Wild has always been
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And they've always been very 
supportive of, of Cal of a plan.

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And so when I had the chance to 
be on their stage, I was just 

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like, yes, because I feel like 
my story can kind of resonate 

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with people out there. 
Like I was just a regular person

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like you at my first Go Wild and
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And so I was just like, yes, 
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Yeah. 
No, I having just seen your 

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session and when you said like I
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that's it. 
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like kind of being able to see 
somebody else who's kind of not 

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necessarily the same journey, 
but like a similar 1 was really 

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exciting. 
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both to her story and really 
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perspective, how she's come up. 
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are interested in starting a 
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it was awesome to kind of go 
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So when she connected that to 
the different seasons and like 

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summer being the busy season and
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thinking about that, it was 
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And I saw a lot of people too, 
just, I don't know if you heard 

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them, but they were referring 
to, you know, this is my summer 

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season or this is my blah blah, 
blah, which nothing against 

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Taylor Swift and the Eras Tour, 
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to get over their blah blah blah
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And agree, I actually just like 
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So I loved that we had like the 
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chapter. 
I'm like, yes, I'm all about it.

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I love the idea of planning in 
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Seasons is a term that like 
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I guess eras gives me the ick 
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Sorry Taylor, you're doing 
great, but not that word please.

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I love the freedom that it gives
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Like if you're just like, you 
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happening at that moment in 
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kind of understanding where you 
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the year or that time of the 
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you are, that could be like very
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And it's OK to say like, OK, I'm
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this way or hey, I have a little
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So let me explore a little bit 
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Something about that session 
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me, which I thought like, yeah, 
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the place and time and just kind
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At least that's what I took away
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I liked the way that she broke 

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down what each kind of season 
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seasons, like we know when 
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is, all of those kind of things.
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winter season or whatnot, if 
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way she described, that lasts a 
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that goes for two years or 
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different buckets so that you 
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plan and needs are going to be 
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you're in. 
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session, we moved into our first
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panel. 
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Jasmine talk about the focus on 
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that. 
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that. 
Other people who've really grown

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their business and done big and 
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was important to them. 
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founders panel, a very inspiring
bunch of fabulous business 

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owners. 
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with, we've got Joe, Myra, 
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In terms of for people who 
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presentation because you guys 
hit on a lot of really awesome 

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points. 
What would be one thing that 

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you'd want our planner pals to 
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session? 
I hope that they feel inspired 

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and just know that this 
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We're all just in the same shoes
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I mean, we're all in different 
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the end of the day, we're all 
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support each other, so community
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I say don't be afraid to dream 
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want to do. 
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long as you keep showing up, 
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work out for you no matter any 
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If you do something wrong, 
things don't work out in the 

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end. 
It always will. 

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I think for me, it's important 
for people to know that you have

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to take risks and get 
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out there and do the things 
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If you can take a buddy, take a 
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But it's really important that 
you take risks for these 

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opportunities to present 
themselves and for people to get

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to know you and your story and 
know that you know you're just 

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another normal person. 
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you, it's possible for anyone. 
You only have one life, right? 

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doing something that doesn't 

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make you happy. 
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change gears and do something 
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Don't be afraid to take the leap
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have a happy life. 
I wanted to ask you guys, why 

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did you say yes to being part of
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Like what was behind it? 
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I think it's so important to 
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you know, you can bounce ideas 
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You can just, you know, wear the
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just have so much fun being 
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That's my favorite part of it 
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I think for me, I really wanted 
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Hispanic culture. 
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important to have someone like 
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So, and also I love to chit chat
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know my story as well because 
it's, you know, crazy what you 

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what can happen when you believe
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So that's why I said yes, these 
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So it was a no brainer for me. 
I love to be able to support and

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give back and give information 
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I'm here every time. 
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think we've all like work 
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something. 
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with, you know, people that you 
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Wild. 
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To be on stage in some capacity.
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So last year I actually was on 
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I got to be the moderator. 
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I had a blast and this group is 
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It was a blessing to say the 
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It's so inspiring to hear from 
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as someone who has like, you 
know, been able to quit their 

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full time job, I was also a 
teacher because I know we met a 

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lot of teachers today for it. 
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a story and like, you know, 
building yourself belief and all

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of that, it's just been really 
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I know that a lot of the people 
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that. 
As mentioned, it was really cool

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to hear from them. 
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parts about these panels is that
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see more people at once. 
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sitting as part of a panel, but 
it's like, I didn't know about 

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Joe. 
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before they got up on stage and 
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So it was really cool to have 
people who I hadn't seen before 

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highlighted in that way. 
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really as they were telling 
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the support of their family in 
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important that's been for them. 
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things that was just a little, 
you know, you had emotion up on 

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stage a little bit as you were 
going through with people 

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sharing their stories of saying 
like, I didn't come from much or

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I came from a bad situation or 
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that. 
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or I did not have the support of
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the creative space. 
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get this. 
I don't know how your parents 

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feel about you being a content 
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you were. 
I'll ask you that in just a 

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second. 
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other people's perspectives on 
that too, to say, like, my 

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family doesn't really get what I
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Or they were like, oh, you're 
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yet that's not going to be 
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and and doing amazing things. 
Yeah, I loved, I think was Myers

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point about the idea of even if 
you do have the support at the 

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end of the day, this it is kind 
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really empowering way, though 
not like you are alone. 

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It's you against the world kind 
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Woe is you. 
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the fact that you want to do 
something awesome, incredible 

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and whatnot and you do actually 
have all of the things in your 

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toolkit. 
You just need to actually use 

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them and exercise them to get 
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So on that topic, Jess, you 
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accepting and not accepting. 
Like do your parents have any 

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thoughts on you moving into 
being a content creator full 

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time? 
Do they understand it versus 

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being a teacher, which I think 
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straightforward and in common? 
I think that there's a bit of 

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like a kind of like curiosity 
point around like how does one 

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make money doing this type of a 
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But given I've been doing it for
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those conversations, they 
understand how it works. 

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And at the end of the day, if I 
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happy, they're happy for me. 
I do have very supportive 

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parents in that way. 
Even if they don't get it, they 

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don't understand, they do trust 
in my ability to like, make the 

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right choices for my future, and
I very much appreciate that. 

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Yeah, it was. 
It's good to have that support. 

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I think we kind of got that 
feeling as people are asking 

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those questions because other 
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especially if they want to move 
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the norm. 
You know, becoming a content 

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creator or a small business 
owner that makes stickers. 

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Like that's just like, wait a 
second, what? 

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Like you're going to make money 
doing that, OK. 

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But to have that support or even
not to have it and still 

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overcome that, I think it's just
what I took most away from that 

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session, I think was really like
overcoming that negativity and 

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doing what you believe in and 
then kind of basking in the 

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success with other people who 
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don't. 
I think that that's also a like 

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empowering thing about spaces 
like Go Wild. 

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Even if you don't have that 
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circle of friends or your family
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people who get it and they will 
support you if you don't have 

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other people in your life who 
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way. 
Yeah, counting on the community 

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like Pennable, you for instance,
those are the people you need. 

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If you need someone doubt to 
talk you out of a decision, you 

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go to this community. 
That's that's what it's all 

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about. 
Yeah, it's definitely that way, 

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isn't it? 
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with Elise and Mariel and they 
were sponsored by Zebra to be 

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there, which means we of course 
got our Zebra goodies to go 

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along with their session. 
And I loved that. 

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It was very functionally based 
planning on paper. 

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So if there was like 1 take away
that you could leave them with, 

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what would have been the thing 
that you would have wanted them 

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to get out of your session 
today? 

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When you are making A to do list
and you're trying to figure out 

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how to fill the open slots in 
your day, ask yourself not only 

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what do I have time for, what do
I have the energy for? 

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What do I have the mental 
headspace for? 

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And will this most benefit me 
today or maybe future me? 

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And for me, it's really making 
your planner your own. 

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Because our planner is not just 
a productivity tool, it's a tool

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to tell a story of who we are. 
So it's really important to make

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sure that you're infusing that 
in again, love stickers, love 

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all of the things, but putting 
pen to paper is really, you 

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know, what it's all about. 
I think that that's really, 

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really good points. 
I fully agree. 

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This idea of like being able to 
make it your own space and it 

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doesn't just have to be a 
productivity tool, but also that

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idea of like making time for the
other areas of your life that 

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aren't just like the hustle and 
like getting shit done. 

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I just wanted to ask you guys in
terms of, you know, being 

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selected to be a speaker, being 
asked, like, did you want to 

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take up the opportunity? 
What made you say yes? 

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Do you want to be here with us 
and talk to us today? 

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So I love Zebra products and 
when I had the opportunity to 

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share with so many at Go Wild 
using my favorite products, how 

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I time manage and manage my To 
Do List and take everything 

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that's out of my brain and put 
it on paper. 

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I know that others could find 
that helpful. 

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They may just need that aha 
moment and someone to show them 

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a quick tip or trick up to how 
it's done. 

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So this was the dream 
opportunity to be on the stage 

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of Go Wild and with one of my 
best friends and with our 

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favorite brand. 
There was no question about 

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whether or not we would do this.
Of course. 

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Agreed, Zebra Prince are my 
favorite. 

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So I was really excited to do 
it. 

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Of course I was a little bit 
nervous, but I knew that being 

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able to share something that I 
love and also the creativity 

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behind it. 
Because for me, again, if I'm 

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not able to be creative, I'm not
getting anything done, the ADD 

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takes over. 
So the fact that I've even been 

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planning this long is like 
insane. 

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And it's all due to being able 
to really infuse fun and art 

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into my planner. 
I was a huge fan of the swag 

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drop because I got the Serasa R,
which now I've been running with

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all the time, even though I have
so many other pens. 

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But it was cool to see both how 
they plan it. 

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I've personally been a fan of 
both of those. 

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I've been following them online 
for a very, very long time and 

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to be able to kind of get a 
little peek inside of their 

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planners because they do things 
a little bit differently and 

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some of the same, you know, at 
least really talked about time 

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blocking and how she utilizes 
colors and color coding to 

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accomplish those things. 
But it's different than like how

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I time block, which I found to 
be really interesting. 

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And then I really did love how 
they used some of the new 

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products from Zebra 2. 
They had the dot markers and 

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then the stamp markers, which we
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And it was neat to just start to
see them incorporating that more

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because you know, the dot 
markers are one thing. 

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They're not new to anything. 
Like I think everyone, I think 

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actually in your, your table 
gives you gave USDOT markers, 

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right. 
So like I said it, I said it 

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just as table because I wanted 
to get her stickers and dot 

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markers, but to have those and 
be like, Oh, that's how I could 

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use them for some decoration 
inside of my planning. 

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Like it was close to heart for 
me because we talk a lot about 

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the mix between like fun and 
functional, how you make that 

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work. 
So it's also cool to get some of

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those fun ideas. 
And I just love those two. 

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Also, they're really fantastic 
educators and content creators. 

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They they have a good time. 
Yeah, I, I think that it's kind 

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of sad to say that like my 
biggest take away from their 

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session outside of, you know, 
the things they already talked 

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about, though, the one that I 
really got was how to use the 

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stamp marker, which was not 
really the point of the session.

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But I love just having the 
little tip of like you don't 

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just go straight down otherwise 
the ink won't actually get on 

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the page properly. 
You need to kind of like curve 

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it or roll it. 
And since doing that, I've been 

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getting much more attractive 
looking star stamps as opposed 

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to kind of like this weird half 
outline of a star. 

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I'm interested to see what the 
other shapes are because I do we

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all get a star. 
Did everybody get a star? 

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I got a star. 
I'm curious what they're going 

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to look like too because the 
stamp markers also are not new. 

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Like Crayola has done them for a
really long time. 

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Like smiley faces and like 
lightning bolts. 

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It would be cool if they were a 
little bit more planar focused 

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like stars or like checkmarks or
things along that line like 

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that. 
I would really love. 

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A check mark would actually be 
super bloody cool. 

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Right. 
Like it would be something, I 

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don't know if you could do a 
circle motion with it. 

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I mean, I guess you could do 
with anything, but it'll, you 

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know, time will tell what it 
looks like and if they are 

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planner focused that would be 
very excited about it. 

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Yes, straight up. 
I want to have a check mark. 

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I want a little cross. 
I want one that's a circle, 

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that's not a filled in circle. 
I want it to be like like an 

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event symbol for the bullet 
journal kind of thing. 

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I want one of those. 
I'm just putting my request in 

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Zebra. 
I know you're not listening, but

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please. 
They're listening. 

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What are you talking about? 
They love us. 

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But the next session we had 
after that was, I know your 

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favorite. 
So we're gonna let Kathy 

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introduce her session herself. 
But in terms of your takeaways, 

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I think the best part was seeing
you get up there and actually be

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part of the action. 
So obviously for the people who 

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are watching, not everybody got 
to be here today to see your 

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session. 
If you had any kind of like big 

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take away that you would have 
liked them to get from your 

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session, what would you like 
them have been taken away? 

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OK so my take away for people is
to look at your stickers. 

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We all have so many stickers and
just do a layout on a blank page

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or with the dots on it or even 
with lines and just start 

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placing stickers down. 
And as you put your stickers 

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journal on a page. 
Why did you choose that sticker?

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What did it remind you of 
something you did or someone you

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met? 
And then after you have your 

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stickers down, go in with your 
favorite pens. 

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I love glitter gel pens and just
start doing different 

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contrasting patterns and 
contrasting colors in between 

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each of the stickers and it 
turns it into this beautiful art

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collage that tells your story. 
And you can even journal the 

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different designs that you chose
to doodle. 

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Like why did you choose plus 
signs? 

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Why did you choose hearts and 
where where are they in 

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proximity to the sticker that's 
next to it? 

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What do you what story does that
say about you? 

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Because our subconscious really 
emerges when we're just letting 

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our self explore and play and 
create. 

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No, I love that. 
And especially as somebody who 

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has, like, mad sticker anxiety, 
as I call it. 

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And it's just like, holding like
a dragon kind of thing. 

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Yeah, I love that balance 
between, like, the 

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intentionality behind it and 
then also letting yourself just,

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like, be free and creative and, 
like, actually use your stats. 

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Yes. 
This is your second year 

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speaking to us. 
So what made you decide to come 

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back? 
Oh my gosh, I did the first one 

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last year on the panel, the 
founders panel. 

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I just love the community of how
documenting light is so 

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meaningful to people because 
it's not like scrapbooking. 

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It's it's so different doing 
planning. 

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It just is like really 
celebrating what we're doing 

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every day in our life right now.
Well, I will go ahead and just 

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go on a monologue ranch as if 
you can go ahead and you want to

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go to the bathroom, get a water,
maybe go for your daily walk. 

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This would be your time. 
No, I something about this 

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session specifically for me 
really did stand out. 

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There's just kind of like 2 big 
points that I took away from 

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this. 
The first one definitely has to 

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do with the idea of actually 
using, using your stickers. 

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We talk about this so much in 
this community. 

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We have the stickers, we don't 
use the stickers. 

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We wait for a perfect time to do
it. 

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And just being able to like feel
like I could just create art 

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with it was fantastic. 
So laying down stickers that had

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some meaning to them to me, and 
then using markers and other 

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things like that to add to the 
excitement around it and tell a 

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story essentially with stickers 
is not something that I've ever 

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thought about before in my 
entire life. 

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Part was that, you know, she 
tells you put them now on the 

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page and you know, doodle around
them and such and whatnot. 

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And then she tells us the idea 
that like the bottom part of the

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page is your foundation and you 
hadn't put me there like so Mark

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has no foundation. 
He is baseless. 

450
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:58,880
There's she said I was open for 
new things and new ideas. 

451
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,760
Jess, not that I didn't have the
foundation, but it was exactly. 

452
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,080
And what it was so cool about it
too is that the way that I 

453
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,160
thought about my page 
specifically was like a top 

454
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,320
down. 
It was this idea of literally 

455
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,280
like it was using elements that 
she provided with us too. 

456
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,400
Just to kind of circle back on 
like how she usually does this 

457
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,640
is she has sessions where they 
do stamp carving. 

458
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,560
That was the other thing I was 
very excited about with this is 

459
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,320
that she does workshops where 
you carve stamps and you know 

460
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,320
my. 
Love of stamp carving and making

461
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,520
and doing that. 
So it was like, oh, I love this.

462
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,200
There's, there's something very 
good here. 

463
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,720
But then utilizing that, the 
symbolism and then her doing a 

464
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,280
very similar thing in that 
session with after you kind of 

465
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,640
create your page, she does 
essentially like a tarot card 

466
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,240
reading or like a lifeline 
reading. 

467
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,720
I felt like, and she was 
interpreting the page and she 

468
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,640
broke that down. 
Mine was definitely meant to be 

469
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,880
read top to bottom. 
So it was this idea of like 

470
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,480
seeing and talking to people and
filling your cup with excitement

471
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,320
and then, you know, more things 
to come, good things. 

472
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,120
And then when she read it 
backwards, it was like, you have

473
00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,600
no foundation. 
But the other thing that really 

474
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,760
stuck out to me is like this 
idea of like filling your cup, 

475
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,280
right? 
We talked about how this go out 

476
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,760
as a whole was very cup filling 
for us and in a very different 

477
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,120
way than last year. 
It was funny to hear her. 

478
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,880
Well, not funny. 
Like it was actually kind of 

479
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,800
serious to her to say like, oh, 
you know, you're always talking 

480
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,280
and you're filling other 
people's cup. 

481
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,280
Maybe though you should, you 
know, save some of that for 

482
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,360
yourself. 
And I was like, oh, I'm having a

483
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:25,440
therapy moment here. 
This idea that, you know, I was 

484
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,280
expressing my interest and my 
love of like talking and 

485
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,720
educated and being that creator.
But for her to like, kind of 

486
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,000
read that the other way and say,
like, maybe you should save a 

487
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,480
little bit for yourself. 
It was. 

488
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,160
It was pretty damn cool. 
I don't know where she gets off 

489
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,160
saying that you talk too much. 
That's ridiculous. 

490
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,200
Ridiculous. 
The amount of times I have to 

491
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,640
cut out my rambling ONS in this 
podcast, the world will never 

492
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,160
know. 
Yeah, every episode is 3 hours 

493
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,320
long. 
OK, it's not that bad, but 

494
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,520
still. 
But it was a really fun time. 

495
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,240
And I talked a little bit about 
it last episode too. 

496
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,400
But then seeing her, something 
about her presence too, you 

497
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,120
know, every speaker is a little 
bit different. 

498
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,720
Everyone has their own like vibe
and kind of what they're putting

499
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,920
out there. 
And hers was just so happy and 

500
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,320
joyous. 
And just the way that she really

501
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,320
approached creating, I thought 
was just really special. 

502
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,480
And, and every time I saw her, I
was smiling. 

503
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,120
And every time I saw her, I was 
also complimenting her and 

504
00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:21,120
telling her how amazing she was 
and how meaningful her session 

505
00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,520
was to me. 
No, I I say what you mean about 

506
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,880
her vibe because it's like she's
a very a very warm spirit, I 

507
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,080
feel and bold, but also very, 
very soft and soothing. 

508
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,000
And it's a very interesting 
juxtaposition. 

509
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,400
Like, you know, crushing it. 
Kathy, good on hitting all of 

510
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,080
the points there, but it was 
really cool to see how much that

511
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,040
session resonated with you. 
I sat there. 

512
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,840
I was like, I know we're 
supposed to be using the 

513
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,360
stickers, but I absolutely 
refuse because the sticker 

514
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,640
mentality of mine is no hold it 
like a dragon. 

515
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,200
You can't possibly put this on a
page because then you won't have

516
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,320
it when you actually need it. 
I will eventually grow out of 

517
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,200
that, but I don't think I think 
I have enough sticker books yet.

518
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,640
I've only got like 26. 
I need like 52 sticker books 

519
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,240
until I'll be OK with just 
putting a sticker down Willy 

520
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,960
nilly. 
For me personally, I'm excited 

521
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,200
to explore that more because 
I've been the same exact way. 

522
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,520
I'm like, well, I could use that
for something else or Oh well, I

523
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,640
don't want to do that. 
I was also thinking though, with

524
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,320
all of the stamps that I have, 
that I could do something very 

525
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,120
similar. 
I'm so used to using them in a 

526
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,720
functional way or adding a 
little bit of decoration to 

527
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,480
things like maybe just taking a 
collection of those and putting 

528
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,400
them on a page and kind of 
building around it with kind of 

529
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,560
this, this idea of like a very 
pristine looking image with more

530
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,520
free flowing doodles or lines or
whatever. 

531
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,000
And just something about that 
really inspired me to like try 

532
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,720
different things. 
We'll see what happens with it. 

533
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,400
I might explore it one day if I 
have extra time when I'm in my 

534
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,200
winter season and I have more 
time on my hands. 

535
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,440
I will most certainly be a 
sticker journaling. 

536
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,920
Look at you with your crossover 
skills. 

537
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,000
I can't remember what the 
teacher term for that is because

538
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,560
I've been out of the classroom 
too long. 

539
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,680
Excellent job. 
The next session after that was 

540
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,200
one called Good on Paper, and 
this one was hosted by Danielle 

541
00:23:56,360 --> 00:24:00,320
or Not Alone as Oh, Happy Danny.
And this was such a cool one for

542
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,320
a lot of different reasons. 
We'll let her explain what she 

543
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,160
was trying to get across to 
everybody. 

544
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,200
So for anybody who didn't get to
come and see you present, what 

545
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,360
would have been your take away? 
What would you have wanted them 

546
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,760
to get out of your presentation?
Yes, well, I would say find your

547
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,760
thing and do it well at all. 
That was probably the closing 

548
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,960
statement that I think resonates
a lot because your thing is 

549
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,760
unique to you. 
Whether it's your passion for 

550
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,160
planning or even things that you
are passionate about in terms of

551
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,120
creating and being artsy or 
planning or information, 

552
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,680
whatever you're good at, do that
thing well. 

553
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,560
And by well, I mean with your 
whole heart, bringing your whole

554
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,040
self to the table and 
recognizing that there are 

555
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,960
issues in the world that need 
your advocacy and you're the 

556
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,520
perfect person to do it. 
So what made you decide to come 

557
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,560
and speak to us this year? 
Yeah, so honestly, I've never 

558
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,560
been to go a while before, but 
seeing online, the energy is 

559
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,440
incredible. 
And it seems like it's a group 

560
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,360
of really passionate people. 
And that's my ideal audience. 

561
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,160
I really love to talk to people 
who are passionate about 

562
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,720
something because chances are 
they're also passionate about 

563
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,360
things that they don't talk 
about here. 

564
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,960
And so the goal for my talk was 
to say, hey, you could take this

565
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,360
passion for artwork, for 
planning, for stickers and 

566
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,200
stationary, and you can apply it
to doing good in the world. 

567
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,480
I try to do that every day with 
my art in my stationary shop, 

568
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,080
but also in the mundane every 
day. 

569
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,840
It's still a beautiful 
opportunity to make a 

570
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,360
difference. 
Yeah, and I love how obviously 

571
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,520
you showed us what your kind of 
like passion is and how you're 

572
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,880
using it and like what you're 
fighting for in terms of like 

573
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,560
you're like, I don't know your 
one line slogan of like, you 

574
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:28,920
know, right, this is what I'm 
good at. 

575
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,400
This is who I want to fight for 
and this is what I want to do 

576
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,240
with that, right? 
I'm getting to bring that to 

577
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,040
people who don't feel like they 
have this kind of like a unique 

578
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,520
skill or talent and such. 
And it's like, no, you are an 

579
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,480
individual and you can do this. 
So right. 

580
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,720
I think that the idea of just 
being able to use your 

581
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,680
creativity and a powerful way, 
it was just like it really 

582
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,800
resonated with me. 
And it kind of got me thinking 

583
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,120
about like, you know, given we 
have these platforms, we've got 

584
00:25:50,120 --> 00:25:52,160
the podcast and we've got our 
separate channels and Instagram 

585
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,840
and yada yada, all the things 
like how are we using that to 

586
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:57,960
kind of fight? 
And I don't mean fight like 

587
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,840
fisticuffs, but like, you know, 
promote and kind of highlight 

588
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,160
the things that are important to
us and that are going to be 

589
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,200
important for the world. 
I thought that was really cool. 

590
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:08,880
Also, I just love the term good 
on paper because I have found 

591
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,680
myself using that multiple times
since I returned home from Go 

592
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,800
Wild. 
I was talking to Vogel about, I 

593
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,200
don't even remember what it was,
but I was like, I don't know, 

594
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,840
that just sounds like it's good 
on paper. 

595
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,680
And of course he wasn't there. 
He wasn't at the session. 

596
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,080
So he's like, yeah, I guess it 
was. 

597
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,640
Of course, he doesn't understand
all of the kind of like 

598
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,400
background insight that we got 
from the session, but I'm like, 

599
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,000
I'm gonna, I'm gonna use that 
more. 

600
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,680
I really liked it too. 
And the part about activism, I 

601
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,520
like that she kind of opened it 
up to anything because so often 

602
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,920
we think about like social 
activism or race activism, 

603
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,480
right? 
Or something that is kind of 

604
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,640
wrong and then you stand up 
against that. 

605
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,960
But I like that she even said 
that you can use it for whatever

606
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,160
you're passionate about. 
And she'd use that example of if

607
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,520
you're passionate about foster 
care for animals, use your art 

608
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,760
to be an activist for that 
space. 

609
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,720
And I think that was like, it 
really kind of like closes that 

610
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,520
barrier to entry, right? 
Or the lower barrier to entry 

611
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,520
because if you're like, well, I 
don't know how to be an activist

612
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,960
for like this big topic, 
especially if it has to do with 

613
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,960
like social, political, 
religious, you can also involve 

614
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,800
that in other different ways. 
And that kind of opened it up. 

615
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,440
If you're a little nervous about
it, which I'll be honest with 

616
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,720
you, like I do get a little bit 
nervous about that and sharing 

617
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,560
like too much because I'm like, 
well, this is a planner space, 

618
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,040
you know, for me personally, 
right? 

619
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,560
I think it's different for 
everyone. 

620
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,000
So I try not to infuse religion 
or politics or kind of those 

621
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,560
other things into what I'm 
doing. 

622
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,080
It's just not my space. 
But if it's something that you 

623
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,480
are really passionate about, 
I've seen a lot of creators, 

624
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,520
especially recently with, you 
know, the the recent elections 

625
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,720
this year in the USI got their 
thoughts on those things, you 

626
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,920
know, using your platform, like 
you said, to do that. 

627
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,680
I love the hand letter art that 
I follow. 

628
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,360
Are the other creators that are 
using their art to get across a 

629
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:49,960
message. 
And I think that's a really 

630
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,880
valid way to do things. 
And I'm something that everyone 

631
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,360
is kind of open for. 
But she never made me feel like 

632
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:59,120
I had to do it or if I wasn't 
using my art for that, that I 

633
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,640
wasn't doing something. 
She's such a positive nature 

634
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,240
about her, which I think was 
awesome. 

635
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Yeah, I think that's also really
important. 

636
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,080
Like if you're thinking about 
trying to win people over to 

637
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,680
your side in any kind of 
argument or anything that you're

638
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,640
fighting for, making sure that 
you're not coming in with a like

639
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600
a, you're wrong. 
This is the only right way kind 

640
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,200
of mentality. 
It's not gonna win any favours. 

641
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,080
Like nobody's gonna be like, oh,
you know what, you have a point.

642
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280
They're gonna dig in and be 
like, no stuff you get off my 

643
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,720
lawn or whatever. 
So it was really nice to have 

644
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,680
that very kind of like positive 
focus to it, even though it is a

645
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,320
topic that can feel quite heavy.
And I always get worried with 

646
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,440
those kind of topics kind of 
like you said, like, oh, how 

647
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,560
much of that do we want to share
on the channel and stuff? 

648
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,720
And it's like, how much of 
myself do I want to share in 

649
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,240
that way? 
But I also liked the fact that 

650
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,840
you can pick these things that 
you're passionate about and pick

651
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,200
these things that you want to 
fight for, but like stay in your

652
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,800
lane. 
I feel like stay in your lane 

653
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,400
came up a couple of times and 
which always like when I think 

654
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,040
stay in your lane, it's never a 
positive thing, but people seem 

655
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,600
to pitch it as a positive thing 
during the go wild session. 

656
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,880
So if we're thinking about 
staying in our lane, thinking 

657
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,560
about something we want to fight
for in that space, I guess the 

658
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,360
thing that I would vote fight 
for is the idea that like 

659
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,120
creativity and productivity are 
not opposites. 

660
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,520
You can have both. 
And that's something that like I

661
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,840
will fight for in my content. 
It's not necessarily a well, I 

662
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,840
guess you could say it could be 
a world changing issue. 

663
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,160
You're just not as well changing
as other issues. 

664
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,560
Question mark. 
No, it's something if you're 

665
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,560
passionate about it and you want
to talk about it more, you can. 

666
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,600
And that's a really important 
thing that you just said there, 

667
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,320
right? 
It's like that's something that 

668
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,640
you are interested in and that 
you feel like you can take a 

669
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,440
stand on and you can do that. 
And it doesn't, like I said, it 

670
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,520
doesn't have to be anything that
you're not comfortable with or 

671
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,280
sharing. 
Like you said, some of that 

672
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,000
stuff you do like to keep to 
yourself. 

673
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,680
I think you and I talk often 
about being like an open book 

674
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,800
and we share a lot online about 
our families and our work and 

675
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,680
things like that. 
But like we don't have to share 

676
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,960
all of it and we don't always 
need to. 

677
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,640
And it's all about what you feel
comfortable with. 

678
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,240
Like I'm not going to ask a 
random person that messages me 

679
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,600
to tell me about their 
background and their life and 

680
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,520
other things like that they're 
not comfortable with. 

681
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400
But the things I am passionate 
about, especially around like 

682
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,840
inclusivity and making other 
people feel comfortable, I've 

683
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,120
talked about it, you know, from 
myself as being a guy in a 

684
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,120
pretty, you know, more feminine 
kind of space. 

685
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,000
And again, I even use that 
lightly because it's not 100% 

686
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,280
that way. 
But I have been, you know, a 

687
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,520
person that can be 
representative of a niche part 

688
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,360
of this planner community. 
I mean, how many guys did we see

689
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,120
at Go Wild this year? 
Just like 4 or 5 maybe? 

690
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,080
Yeah. 
Well, OK. 

691
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,160
Like off the top of my head, I 
know we had Damian, we had Matt,

692
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,960
we had Ryan, we had previous 
years, we've had Chris and he's 

693
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,560
bought the pencil cases that 
look like peanuts and he wasn't 

694
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,240
there this year and I missed 
him. 

695
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,480
I want another peanut. 
No, that's not the point, but 

696
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,280
it's still relevant. 
Yeah, So, you know, four or 

697
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,040
five, you know, people there was
there was others too that I saw.

698
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,880
So it's just one of those things
where it's like it's awesome to 

699
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,240
kind of see that It's not that I
feel like I need to be an 

700
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,680
activist for the men in the 
planner community. 

701
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Like that's not necessarily it, 
but it's awesome to see some of 

702
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,240
that representation and it's 
awesome to try to get guys to 

703
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,520
feel comfortable enough to share
their stuff online. 

704
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,880
And while I think it's great, 
that's not like a big point for 

705
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,960
me. 
It's like, yeah, I'm the guy in 

706
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,320
this community, right? 
But I think that if I really 

707
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,280
wanted to lean into that more, I
could. 

708
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,200
I just personally am like, hey, 
I would love to see more stuff, 

709
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,400
but this community is already 
fantastic enough and supportive.

710
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,960
Like just join the club 
essentially versus being one 

711
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,920
side or the other. 
That's just kind of how I look 

712
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,640
at it. 
I also think that it's kind of 

713
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,360
nice that even just showing up 
can be a kind of form of 

714
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,600
activism itself. 
Like I'm going to say like a low

715
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,080
level 1 because for some people 
showing up as a start is like a 

716
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,280
really big deal. 
But I know that previously I 

717
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,080
received to comment saying like,
your videos gave me confidence 

718
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,400
to, you know, make my own 
content and such because I was 

719
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,160
so self-conscious about my 
accent. 

720
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,200
And I'm like, oh, buddy, in 
terms of accents, yeah, 

721
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,160
Australian can get pretty 
twaggy. 

722
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,560
So I can understand why you 
might have felt a little weird. 

723
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,760
But I'm so glad that you are on 
the Internet sharing your stuff 

724
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,680
now. 
I also just appreciated that she

725
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,800
also gave us kind of a template 
so that we can find our own way 

726
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,520
to use our creativity for our 
own activism, own thing that 

727
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,080
we're going to fight for. 
I haven't actually gone applied 

728
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,760
the template to anything yet, 
but I've got it saved in my 

729
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,560
photos which means one day I 
might look at it. 

730
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,440
Oh my gosh, the number of 
screenshots and photos I have in

731
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,120
there. 
I tried to do a declutter the 

732
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,560
other day, there was over 36,000
files. 

733
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,760
So like it is very much a future
me problem. 

734
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,920
But that's OK because that was 
the last session for day one, 

735
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,600
and then we got to reconvene at 
about 7:00 PM, or 7:05 if you 

736
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,360
relate to like we were for the 
wild crop. 

737
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,320
Yeah, the crop this year was 
pretty awesome. 

738
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,520
I mean, last year I got to host 
and I've got to run a workshop 

739
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,320
as well. 
So it was interesting to see 

740
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,200
from the other side of the crop 
because last year's crop was my 

741
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,080
first crop, so I didn't know 
what to expect or how it worked.

742
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,720
But this year is pretty cool 
because of this whole book theme

743
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080
that we had going on. 
We talked a lot about the books 

744
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,840
last episode that we got, but 
the whole purpose of the book 

745
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,400
swap was to be able to use those
for the different sessions that 

746
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,320
we had going on. 
And the very first one that we 

747
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,160
had was creative annotations. 
My hands are already tingling 

748
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,960
from the anxiety this session 
gave me. 

749
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,000
We'll talk about that in a 
second, but first, let's hear 

750
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,160
from Amy. 
Well, our first speaker for 

751
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,080
Walcroft was Amy, and so she 
decided to take us through book 

752
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,640
journaling and like annotating 
books and stuff like that, which

753
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,800
I've always been really 
interested in because I just 

754
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,000
think it looks so Dang. 
Cruel. 

755
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,600
It's so. 
Fun. 

756
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,640
So it was really awesome to see 
your process and such. 

757
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,200
My question would be, what made 
you decide to be a speaker come 

758
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,560
out and chat to us this time 
around? 

759
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,040
So I've always wanted to go to 
go wild like always. 

760
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,920
And this is my first one. 
I will be back. 

761
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,960
That's a threat. 
And with the theme being books, 

762
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,560
like it's such a passion of 
mine. 

763
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,440
It just like, you know, when the
stars align, the stars align. 

764
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,800
Yeah. 
So I didn't have it exactly. 

765
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,520
Yeah. 
So I was thrilled when I when 

766
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,760
Jasmine asked. 
And yeah, yeah, I hope to get to

767
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,960
do it a million more times. 
Yeah. 

768
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Well, we'd certainly love to 
have you back because it's like 

769
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,000
I said, it's a topic that I'm 
really personally. 

770
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Understood. 
It's a really big topic and it 

771
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,240
can be kind of intimidating, but
it's like you can make it so 

772
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,000
personal, you know? 
Exactly. 

773
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,840
I like the only examples that 
you gave, as well as like when 

774
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,239
we started off drawing roses and
people like why are we drawing 

775
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,199
this? 
I'm like, guys, look at the book

776
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:12,760
she's got like, it makes a lot 
of sense. 

777
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,239
But for anybody who wasn't able 
to come into your session, what 

778
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,360
would be like kind of the main 
take away you'd like to lace 

779
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,560
them with? 
I would say like, there really 

780
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,920
are no rules and it just comes 
from practicing and like, you 

781
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,320
know, reading is just to be 
joyful. 

782
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,960
And so she's fun and so is art. 
So as long as you can like, take

783
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,040
the pressure off yourself and 
maybe get over drawing in a 

784
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,880
book. 
It seems to be like a big part 

785
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,600
of maybe everyone's issue. 
But it can be like so fulfilling

786
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,000
to have this thing in your hands
when you're done that you 

787
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,520
participated in, you know, like 
you didn't you just read it, You

788
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,920
were involved in it. 
Yeah, I like how it like Davins 

789
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,600
your experience with the book 
and such and I think it's just a

790
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,840
really beautiful creative 
outlet. 

791
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,159
Thank you so much for sharing. 
Thank you. 

792
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,920
Thanks so much. 
So I can very much appreciate 

793
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,720
what Amy had to say and what she
had to show, but I just cannot, 

794
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:05,160
for whatever reason, just think 
ever about taking a brush marker

795
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:10,760
onto the actual page of my book,
along the edges, in the margins,

796
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,080
on a blank page. 
I cannot. 

797
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,640
Something about, I can't do it, 
Jess. 

798
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,240
I don't know what it is. 
I don't know, because I think 

799
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:18,920
that this is something that's 
common for people. 

800
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,600
Like a lot of people think the 
idea of writing in a book is 

801
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,920
like sacrilege. 
We shan't be doing this. 

802
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,440
You shall not pass. 
Do not let go. 

803
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Do not collect $200. 
For me though, I just not that 

804
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,640
sentimental about books. 
Like if I think about it in 

805
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,640
terms of a book versus a 
notebook and how much I pay in 

806
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,880
terms of the difference of 
those, well, first of all of my 

807
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,880
books are secondhand. 
So like I'm not paying all that 

808
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,520
much for them. 
But anyway, the idea of writing 

809
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,440
in that does not bother me as 
much. 

810
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,400
The only reason it would bother 
me is if it was a book that I 

811
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,760
was intending on keeping and I 
want to keep it kind of pristine

812
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,280
looking. 
We know I'm a persnickety 

813
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,640
biscuit, and I'm a persnickety 
biscuit in certain areas of my 

814
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,520
life more so than others. 
When it comes to like taking an 

815
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,440
old book in particular, like an 
old secondhand one where the 

816
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,480
pages are kind of weathered and 
stuff, I'm like, Oh my God, this

817
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,480
is the best crafting material. 
Like I'm going to RIP the shit 

818
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,680
out of this book and I'm going 
to stick it all up in the pages 

819
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,280
and it's going to look so cute 
and great. 

820
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,560
For some people. 
I know the idea of ripping apart

821
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,880
a book is literally the least 
appealing thing, but I'm like, I

822
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,120
love the fact that it's got the 
text and it blends into the 

823
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,960
background really nicely and 
it's got the way that look and 

824
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,480
just, oh, that is like very 
appealing to me. 

825
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,320
For other people, not so much. 
You know, I totally feel that it

826
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,240
back when I used to do like 
mixed media art, I was all about

827
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,320
taking old books and ripping out
the pages and creating art and 

828
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,840
doing things with it. 
And I don't know why, like, that

829
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,640
was OK then, but like, I think 
it was because I was getting 

830
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,600
books that had no meaning to me.
In some cases, I don't even 

831
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,520
know. 
They were in different 

832
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,640
languages, right? 
They were just literally there 

833
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,440
for text and look, but taking a 
book that I really love, which 

834
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,680
is what she talked about and 
drawing in it over the pages 

835
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,520
again, margins, all of that was 
great. 

836
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,400
I can say though, and I have to 
give respect to Amy too, because

837
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,040
I thought what she taught about 
doing that was really great, 

838
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,200
right? 
Taking a scene or a moment from 

839
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,760
a book and then being able to 
like decorate the front or the 

840
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,600
back covers or anything like 
that and kind of create your own

841
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,240
version of it, right? 
Because so often, especially in 

842
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,000
those novels, you don't have 
pictures. 

843
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,920
As much as I would appreciate 
pictures, you don't have them. 

844
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,640
So being able to take take what 
is inside of your memory or your

845
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,720
imagination from a book and then
apply it to a page, I really do 

846
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,160
appreciate that part of it 
because I think that we all 

847
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,080
interpret different characters 
differently. 

848
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,000
Like I think often back to like 
when I was reading Harry Potter,

849
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,640
for instance, it was before the 
movies came out. 

850
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,400
So I had in my mind when I 
thought each character kind of 

851
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,920
looked like, and then, you know,
you see them up on the screen 

852
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,880
and you're like, OK, yeah, that 
kind of makes sense. 

853
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,560
Or it doesn't, right. 
But being able to like generate 

854
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,240
a scene or something that's 
iconic. 

855
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,600
I I really did love that about 
the session. 

856
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,480
I totally get what you mean 
about like having a certain 

857
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640
version of a character imagined 
in your mind. 

858
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Pretty much for me, any male 
love interest and majority of 

859
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,920
books that I read now looks like
Ben Barnes just because like it 

860
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,680
fits the vibe most of the time. 
But in terms of being able to 

861
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,520
like decorate the book and kind 
of it, it feels like a very kind

862
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,280
of intimate relationship with 
the story. 

863
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,160
And I think that that's a part 
about it that I think is really 

864
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,400
nice. 
It's like very individualized 

865
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,600
because what you take out of a 
book is going to be so different

866
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,240
from what somebody else takes 
out of a book. 

867
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,840
And the parts that kind of like 
hit for you, we're going to hit 

868
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,280
different for other people and 
such. 

869
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,160
So being able to do creativity 
in and around the book in that 

870
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,240
way is quite nice. 
I personally just do that in my 

871
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:23,120
reading journal rather than in 
the book itself. 

872
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,960
But I also don't read a lot of 
physical books. 

873
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,600
I think that for me in terms of 
this like book annotation and 

874
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,440
decoration and such, I would 
rather do that with other people

875
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,680
as kind of like a group creative
project. 

876
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,040
So for instance, like I read the
book first, I go through and 

877
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,800
highlight all the parts that 
stuck out and were special for 

878
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,600
me, and then I pass it on to 
another friend and they do the 

879
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,480
same thing but maybe in a 
different colour and they pass 

880
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,440
it to another friend and do the 
same thing but in a different 

881
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,480
colour. 
That's something we've actually 

882
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,440
been talking about doing, we 
just haven't gotten around to it

883
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,880
yet. 
Also because a lot of the time 

884
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,480
we just read the books at the 
same time as each other. 

885
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,960
So you don't all want to be 
like, OK, so we're going to meet

886
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,480
up on Wednesday night and I'm 
going to get my highlighter in 

887
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,280
yours and we're going to like, 
oh, don't turn the page because 

888
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,680
Monica's a faster reader than 
the rest of us and Jess is still

889
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,640
over here or like whatever. 
But I think it'd be fun, I just 

890
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,760
haven't done it yet. 
I think it would be very cool to

891
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,080
see if you would do that. 
I mean, a collective group art 

892
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,240
project is always fun, 
especially like different 

893
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,160
creative backgrounds and like 
how you approach it would be 

894
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,120
neat. 
And Speaking of the reading 

895
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,080
journals, that was the second 
part of the crop, which was 

896
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,440
interesting because I am not a 
big reading journal person 

897
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,160
because I don't really journal 
that. 

898
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,640
So just I don't know if you want
to talk about this more because 

899
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,880
the only part I got out of it 
was somebody having stickers 

900
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,920
that had jalapenos on it 
depending on how spicy their 

901
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,720
their fairy porn book was. 
You can't stop it with that. 

902
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,320
It is so reductive to the story.
Rude. 

903
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,760
For anybody out there who is a 
romantic and to see person like 

904
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,320
I am, just know that Mark's 
opinions are not the opinions of

905
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,760
the Planner Pals podcast. 
But in terms of those stickers, 

906
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,840
they were really bloody cute. 
And I want to get myself a set 

907
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,280
because I love the little 
jalapenos or like Chili Peppers 

908
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,960
or whatever to say the spicy 
writing. 

909
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,640
They weren't like the, you know,
like 5 star chilies or whatever.

910
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,920
It was more like a mild, medium 
scorching kind of thing. 

911
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,320
They're really bloody. 
Cute. 

912
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Yeah, it was. 
It was funny. 

913
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,240
I mean, I think you should 
annotate and draw pictures of 

914
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,200
those scenes. 
I think that would be a fun 

915
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,840
group project. 
I don't think that my artistic 

916
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,800
skills or up to par. 
I think I'd rather just go and 

917
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,440
buy the fan art somewhere else. 
But let's let Erica and Mary, 

918
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,960
I'll talk more about this 
session. 

919
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,360
You know anybody who didn't get 
to see your session, what would 

920
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,480
be the kind of like main take 
away that you would have liked 

921
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,720
for them to get it if they were 
here to experience it with us? 

922
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,480
If they want to start a reading 
journal, whether it's with our 

923
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,880
journal or any other journal, 
they can do whatever they want. 

924
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,360
They can if they want to RIP 
paper, put paper. 

925
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,840
If they want to do stickers, 
they can put stickers, they can 

926
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,720
doodle. 
It doesn't need to be perfect. 

927
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,160
It has to be something that they
enjoy doing and everybody has 

928
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,840
their own way. 
We saw it on stage. 

929
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,480
Erica has a different way from 
me of making her pages and it's 

930
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,360
and this is what makes it so 
beautiful because everybody 

931
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,840
makes it differently. 
I would definitely echo that. 

932
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,720
I would also say one thing I 
maybe didn't say on stage, but I

933
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:06,760
really do believe is I think a 
lot of us are maybe passive 

934
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,560
readers. 
But if you want to engage a 

935
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,240
little bit in the books that you
read, thinking of like a book 

936
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,840
review and like what spoke to 
you and what didn't speak to you

937
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,920
is a really good way to, like, 
parse through all that. 

938
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,560
Like we've done like book 
reports and school and stuff 

939
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,040
like that. 
But it doesn't have to be so 

940
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,560
academic. 
It could be fun. 

941
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,640
You can use markers, you can use
stickers. 

942
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,440
And it'll still be a really 
fulfilling experience to do 

943
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,360
that. 
So in terms of like, deciding to

944
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,880
come and speak to us this 
evening, what made you decide 

945
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:34,960
like, yeah, we're going to do 
it? 

946
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,200
Well, Jasmine invited me. 
Shout out Jasmine and the Go 

947
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,280
Wild team. 
I have been attending Go Wild 

948
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,680
for quite a while since Austin. 
I don't remember the exact year 

949
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,320
that was, but wild. 
Has always been amazing to me. 

950
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,280
I have grown my business so much
here, I have made so many 

951
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,960
friends. 
And so to me, I was definitely a

952
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,480
little nervous when she asked me
to do something at the crop, but

953
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,880
I got over that pretty quickly. 
Yeah. 

954
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:08,080
So Erica actually invited me to 
join her on stage to present our

955
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,120
journal that we created 
together. 

956
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,720
And I thought that's a great 
idea. 

957
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,440
And I don't think if it, if this
was my first go out, I'm not 

958
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,160
sure I would have been 
comfortable to do it. 

959
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,080
But this is my third. 
And I thought, you know what? 

960
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,760
This is going to be a great 
year. 

961
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,960
It's going to be something more 
exciting. 

962
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,680
I'm going to go do something I'm
not comfortable with because 

963
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,200
I've never done this. 
And this was really fun. 

964
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,640
This was super. 
It was very fun. 

965
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,920
Yeah. 
I think that's the thing, right.

966
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Like, you know, if it was your 
first time and it's like, oh, 

967
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,400
wow. 
That's really confronting kind 

968
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,760
of thing because this is my 
third year as well. 

969
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,560
And we're also speaking 
tomorrow. 

970
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,160
Oh my God, end me. 
But I'm gonna crush it. 

971
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:44,960
Thank you. 
At least somebody that is gonna 

972
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,920
be fine. 
It's gonna be fine. 

973
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,040
I keep telling myself that. 
But kind of like you said, like 

974
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,120
if it was your first time here, 
it's just like, oh, wow, that 

975
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,600
feels really daunting. 
And I think the idea of like 

976
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,520
being able to do it with someone
who you know, like and trust 

977
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,040
makes it all a bit more 
comfortable as well. 

978
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,360
I very much respected what they 
were doing. 

979
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,320
I think for me, it's just not 
something that's super 

980
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,880
resignated with me because I 
don't do that type of 

981
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,240
journaling, right? 
So I was in it for the 

982
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,960
creativity and you know, some of
like how they're doing it. 

983
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,880
I very much respect the creator.
But I'm not gonna lie to you, 

984
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,520
Jess. 
It was late and it's like an odd

985
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,840
time. 
I was hangry and I was just 

986
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,360
like, I need food in me. 
So we we need to end day one. 

987
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,760
I think also the fact that our 
session was gonna be the next 

988
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,160
day. 
So in the back of my mind, it 

989
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,400
was just like, you gotta get to 
bed, you gotta get good sleep, 

990
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,960
otherwise you'll be like a trash
pander in the morning. 

991
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,520
And just the frazzled mess being
like, which like me more so than

992
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,560
I already was going to be. 
But I did appreciate the crop 

993
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,120
sessions. 
I appreciated the bookish 

994
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,400
themes. 
But as someone who does already 

995
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,400
have a reading journal as well, 
I didn't necessarily take a lot 

996
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,040
out of the session specifically,
like, you know, what they were 

997
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,960
talking about in terms of like, 
you know, this is how you 

998
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,920
structure your book review or 
anything. 

999
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,240
And this is the structure that 
we use in our planner or 

1000
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,880
whatever else. 
Because I've already got my own 

1001
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,520
planner and I've already got my 
own system. 

1002
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,720
But I think that like just the 
general idea of having that 

1003
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:00,960
relationship with a book and 
doing your little book reviews, 

1004
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,720
not in the sense of like a typed
up book review that you do in 

1005
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,320
school or anything like that, 
but just giving yourself that 

1006
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,720
opportunity to reflect a little 
bit more on your rating. 

1007
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,240
That's something that I find 
really valuable about my rating 

1008
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,480
journal. 
Yeah, it's just something, 

1009
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,840
again, I don't fully connect 
because I don't do that. 

1010
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,440
Like, I read a book because I'm 
interested. 

1011
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,600
I don't really, like, reflect on
it or think too deeply about it.

1012
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,600
Maybe I would do more of that 
with like, TV shows, for 

1013
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,800
instance, you know, like Lost 
was one of my favorite shows 

1014
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,080
ever. 
There's so much within that 

1015
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,560
space. 
And you were like thinking 

1016
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,280
about, you know, what's the lore
and like, what's happening and 

1017
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,800
like, building that out. 
Like, I wonder if I would make a

1018
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,320
lost notebook now, like 
following along with the 

1019
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,560
episodes and who is who and 
who's connected. 

1020
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,480
Similar to kind of what I did on
like, Reddit back in the day 

1021
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,720
when that was there. 
I can see how people do that 

1022
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,080
with books now. 
So very much respected. 

1023
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,320
But now it's night, night time 
because Jess and I have a big 

1024
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,200
day tomorrow. 
So we went to bed and then we 

1025
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,720
woke up and then we were very 
nervous and excited to kick off 

1026
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,640
Day 2. 
Which I thought it was good that

1027
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,440
we started with such a relevant 
topic for they too, because MO 

1028
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,080
from Pip Sticks got to talk to 
us about morning routines. 

1029
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,440
I know mine's terrible. 
So it was really good to hear 

1030
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,120
her advice about that. 
So our first session today was 

1031
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,640
from MO Pip Sticks, who was 
telling us all about how to make

1032
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,360
a morning routine that actually 
serves you. 

1033
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,120
I love an acronym. 
So I was like, yes, please. 

1034
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,520
Thank you. 
That's exactly what I needed. 

1035
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,840
I mean, for busy people, it's 
the only way to keep you. 

1036
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,040
In I know, right? 
Just it's like gives like a 

1037
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,520
checklist. 
I'm like, yeah, I did this, I 

1038
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,440
did this, I did this. 
So I really appreciated that. 

1039
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,960
So obviously not everybody got 
to be at your presentation. 

1040
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,920
So what would have been the kind
of like 1 take away you would 

1041
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,560
have wanted them to get if they 
were here? 

1042
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:39,960
The one take away would be that 
in order to be your best self 

1043
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,440
and to have a real sense of who 
you are and to, I think, take 

1044
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,440
care of the people that you love
most, you have to put yourself 

1045
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,360
1st every day in the morning 
because that's the only time in 

1046
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,320
the day before everything else 
takes over and sidelines. 

1047
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,760
You know all of your best 
intentions, so you got to start 

1048
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,000
early. 
Even if you're a night owl, 

1049
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,240
which I am, it's worth waking up
for. 

1050
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,640
No, I, I think that's really 
fair, especially because like, 

1051
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,040
you know, if you're the kind of 
person like me who rolls over 

1052
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,840
and the first thing you do in 
the morning is check your phone,

1053
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,680
you're letting somebody else set
the priorities for you. 

1054
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,200
I know I'm a girl. 
We all know that we shouldn't do

1055
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,560
it and we all do it, which is 
why as soon as you wake up, you 

1056
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,640
have to get your butt out of bed
quickly. 

1057
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,320
Yeah. 
A very fairpoint, yeah. 

1058
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,240
Yeah. 
In terms of being part of the 

1059
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,640
wild community, what is the 
thing that you love most about 

1060
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,000
that? 
I love the diversity of the 

1061
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,560
community. 
I feel like every time I'm here,

1062
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,480
I feel like I'm at a Dolly 
Parton concert in that, you 

1063
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,680
know, everybody from all over 
the country, all over the world 

1064
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,400
comes together and we just have 
fun together. 

1065
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,040
And it doesn't matter, you know,
what your background is, what 

1066
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,240
your beliefs are, where you come
from, where you're going. 

1067
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,480
Everybody just connects over for
us stickers. 

1068
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,880
And it's just incredible to see 
that energy and to have the time

1069
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,280
to really connect with people 
again and again and again over 

1070
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,200
the course of a few days. 
I loved her presentation as 

1071
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,160
well, especially as a parent and
understand especially when your 

1072
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,800
kids are younger versus older, 
you know you're taking care of 

1073
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,080
them so often and rarely are you
always taking care of yourself. 

1074
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,160
I think I ate a whole lot of 
like kids food, like whatever 

1075
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,840
they didn't eat growing up, 
especially for breakfast because

1076
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,960
that's all I could get in my 
mouth before I had to go to 

1077
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,600
work. 
So it was awesome to hear that. 

1078
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,720
My favorite thing that she said 
during her session and even when

1079
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,400
you were talking with her is the
idea of having to take care of 

1080
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,760
yourself before you can take 
care of others, right? 

1081
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,520
Like if you are not at your 
best, you can't always help 

1082
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,040
others be at their best. 
And I think just taking that 

1083
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,760
moment and whatever moment you 
have so often, and she talked 

1084
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,320
about like if you can take an 
hour in your morning and 

1085
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,120
everyone's like, who has that? 
Like I got, you know, no, that's

1086
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,720
not happening. 
If it's 20 minutes, like it 

1087
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,240
whatever you can kind of get or 
take, make sure that you do it. 

1088
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,600
And I think that for me was a 
really big thing that I took 

1089
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,840
away from her session. 
I think that what would have 

1090
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,120
been better about that session 
is not having our session 

1091
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,680
directly after it, because it 
meant that for the most of it, 

1092
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,880
while I was sitting there, I'm 
just going. 

1093
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,000
I'm nervous, I'm nervous, I'm 
nervous, I'm nervous. 

1094
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Great. 
And we had to miss the end part 

1095
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,880
of it because we were backstage 
getting all miked up and stuck 

1096
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,080
up with different things in 
different parts of our shirts 

1097
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,400
and and our pants. 
But aside from that, it was 

1098
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,280
awesome because yeah, we were up
next. 

1099
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,760
Productivity journaling was our 
topic. 

1100
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,600
And I think, you know, everyone 
was asking like, are we going to

1101
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,240
do a separate session or talk on
the podcast about it? 

1102
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,720
Well, we're going to do that 
right now. 

1103
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,280
So Mark now as you've just 
gotten off the stage, quote, 

1104
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,640
quote a go wild. 
What was the key take away you 

1105
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,400
would have wanted people to get 
out of your session? 

1106
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,880
Well, thank you, Jess. 
It was really fantastic to be on

1107
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,920
stage and be able to talk with 
everyone around topics that 

1108
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,720
luckily not a whole lot of 
people knew about, which I think

1109
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,200
was my favorite part of it. 
For me, the big thing that I 

1110
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,480
want everyone to take away from 
our session is that there are a 

1111
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,800
lot of different ways to get 
your ideas out and to organize 

1112
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,040
them and that there are 
different tools that you need 

1113
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,720
for different times and 
planning. 

1114
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,880
So being able to have a toolbox 
of different ways to approach 

1115
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,960
problem solving, how to take all
of your thoughts and put them 

1116
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,640
into a more organized fashion. 
There are a lot of there, so 

1117
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,200
just understanding and knowing 
and how they work is really 

1118
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,360
helpful. 
And that way you could just 

1119
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,800
bring them into your journal 
whenever you want. 

1120
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,600
How about you Jess? 
What did you want people to take

1121
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,320
away from your session? 
What I wanted them to take away 

1122
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,720
versus what they took away might
be two completely different 

1123
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,440
things. 
I just appreciated the number of

1124
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,120
people who tagged us in pictures
after the session being like, 

1125
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,320
oh, you know, these are the 
notes I took down or whatnot. 

1126
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,840
And the number of people who 
took down a note about I'm not 

1127
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,760
the shape I want to be was 
great. 

1128
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,360
Effectively, I was talking 
about, oh, you know, if you're 

1129
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,680
going to make yourself a list of
prompts so the you can do a 

1130
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,160
really thorough brain dump and 
you can have different life 

1131
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,000
areas like physical health and 
you can break that down and talk

1132
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,440
about nutrition and hydration 
and exercise so that you can 

1133
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,080
quote, get in shape. 
And then I said, well, 

1134
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,720
technically I am a shape. 
I'm just not the shape I want to

1135
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:44,920
be. 
And the number of people who 

1136
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,920
wrote that down, I'm like, no, 
that wasn't the point of the 

1137
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,280
session. 
But also, I'm glad you were 

1138
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,240
listening. 
No, it was so incredibly well 

1139
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:54,720
done and timed. 
I think for me, the big thing 

1140
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,000
about that and we talked about 
it a bit last episode is that I 

1141
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:03,840
didn't know how to present with 
you meaning like, am I at work 

1142
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,240
presentation mode where it's 
like professional content, you 

1143
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:11,240
know, delivering or essentially 
just being like our how we are 

1144
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,160
on the podcast. 
And it was just one of those 

1145
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,480
things that like as soon as we 
kind of got into it, I was like,

1146
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,320
oh, this is just like the 
podcast And we just did what we 

1147
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,960
always do, which is like crack 
random jokes and do that. 

1148
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,920
And just so everyone knows, none
of that stuff was planned out 

1149
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,080
aside from like the main topics 
that we talked about on each of 

1150
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,680
the different like methods in 
different ways to do that. 

1151
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,840
That's just how awesome Jess and
I are. 

1152
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,400
We just think of random things 
to say to each other all the 

1153
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,680
time. 
Yeah, and put on random voices 

1154
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,040
and such because that's like my 
coping mechanism for being 

1155
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,640
nervous. 
But also just like how I 

1156
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,200
typically present because a lot 
of people came up to me. 

1157
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,360
They're like, wow, you use a lot
of voices? 

1158
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Is that like a natural thing? 
I'm like, yes, I was. 

1159
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,320
I was scared. 
You did so good. 

1160
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,320
And for anyone who didn't know 
about it, we talked about 

1161
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,400
productivity methods, obviously.
So we talked about the Ivy 

1162
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,440
League method and I got to tell 
my favorite story about that. 

1163
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,760
We got to talk about the 
Eisenhower matrix. 

1164
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,720
We got to talk about time 
blocking and the Alice Tower 

1165
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:11,680
method. 
Like all of the things that we 

1166
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,400
already used and you can all 
find on our YouTube channel. 

1167
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,720
We just combined them all into 
one talk for basically everyone 

1168
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,960
in the audience who, again, 
didn't really know about a lot 

1169
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,760
of those different methods 
because they use different 

1170
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,360
planners or different approaches
to how they planned. 

1171
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,760
So I was very happy with how 
happy everyone else was with the

1172
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,680
content we were able to deliver.
Yeah, no, it was really 

1173
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,280
satisfying just to have it so 
that then there was not that 

1174
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,000
many people in the room who knew
what we were talking about, at 

1175
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,480
least initially. 
Hopefully after the fact they 

1176
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,520
knew something, otherwise we 
didn't present very well, did 

1177
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,200
we? 
But even if they did know like 

1178
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,840
one or two, they didn't know all
of them. 

1179
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,240
So it's just a way to help them 
build out their productivity 

1180
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,040
toolkit, which was really cool. 
And then after us, we had a 

1181
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,000
health and Wellness session, and
that was a really good one too, 

1182
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,280
because it was coming from a lot
of different perspectives and we

1183
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,440
got to talk with some of those 
presenters and share a little 

1184
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,120
bit more about their takes on 
mental health and Wellness. 

1185
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,640
We just had the Wellness panel, 
which was led by Alexa here. 

1186
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,720
So I just wanted to check in and
ask if there was one thing that 

1187
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:10,760
people could have gotten out of 
your session, what would you 

1188
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,360
want to have been? 
The power of using journaling as

1189
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,600
a tool for your healing, and the
fact that you actually deserve 

1190
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,160
to heal. 
No, 100%. 

1191
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,840
I think that like a lot of 
people were really impacted by 

1192
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,480
the things that you guys had to 
share and such. 

1193
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,800
And that's such a good message 
and take home because I know a 

1194
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,720
lot of us have a lot of it's 
just a hard time with like 

1195
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:31,080
putting ourselves 1st and 
recognizing the like actually 

1196
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,400
you are worth getting the help 
that you need and such. 

1197
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,680
I would definitely say support. 
I think and being able to relate

1198
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,240
to someone when it comes to 
journaling, planning, just all 

1199
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:47,760
things planning related, knowing
that there's somebody out there 

1200
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,480
that cares, that values them. 
Support. 

1201
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,360
So I would say that it's OK to 
take a break because if you 

1202
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,040
don't, your body will shut down 
and it's going to do it for you.

1203
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,800
So it's better to plan it ahead 
of time and schedule yourself 

1204
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,600
care moments and schedule the 
time for yourself because if you

1205
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,600
don't, it will do it for you and
in most an inconvenient time 

1206
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,760
ever. 
Trust me, I know. 

1207
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,680
Ask me how I know. 
I would want everyone to know 

1208
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,200
that change doesn't happen like 
magically. 

1209
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,560
Like it's so easy to see the 
quotes that it's like it'll get 

1210
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,560
better. 
And so you live by that without 

1211
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,800
actually making any positive 
variables come into the 

1212
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,280
equation. 
So without those variables being

1213
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,800
added, then it won't get better.
And like manifesting and just 

1214
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,440
believing and better doesn't 
work until you start making 

1215
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,600
changes. 
Yeah, I love that. 

1216
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,600
Is that I like I'm, you know, 
change doesn't work unless you 

1217
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,240
do. 
And yeah, which is kind of like 

1218
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:44,200
sometimes a conflict of those 
ideas of like, oh, you grow 

1219
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,480
through what you go through, but
it's like, it doesn't kind of 

1220
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,600
like doesn't give you your 
autonomy, I guess. 

1221
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,160
Yeah, like a. 
General quote doesn't really 

1222
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,520
help anyone. 
Yeah, I think that's a really 

1223
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,800
good point. 
I think that that's something 

1224
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,400
that is, like, can be so 
powerful if you remember it, and

1225
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,600
you get to like, you know, take 
your power back in that way. 

1226
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:02,720
I think my favorite was getting 
to speak to Amanda H Lee. 

1227
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,520
It was a real shame you didn't 
capture that one. 

1228
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,360
I'm kidding. 
It's fine. 

1229
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,400
It was a little unfortunate Mark
this double hit the record 

1230
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,720
button at the start and then hit
it at the end to cut off the 

1231
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:19,160
recording and it started 
recording the floor. 

1232
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:24,200
So I got some really good shots 
of Amandae leg and somebody's 

1233
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,280
shoes. 
It was one of those things I did

1234
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,600
so well on every single other 
one. 

1235
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,160
Why one of the most important 
people in the general like our 

1236
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,240
unisphere of like bullet 
journaling and creative 

1237
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,680
journaling, That's the one that 
I mess up of all the entire 

1238
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,920
ones. 
I'm so mad at myself about it. 

1239
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,040
It's OK next year, next year you
won't miss anybody and we'll be 

1240
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,160
fine and they'll keep inviting 
us back. 

1241
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,080
Yeah, I won't miss anything 
because next year Jess won't let

1242
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,480
me touch any. 
The equipment. 

1243
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,640
That's what. 
That's why I won't mess up next 

1244
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,480
year. 
This is why I don't work with 

1245
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,600
people. 
Usually I know I can trust 

1246
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,360
myself. 
I can't trust him. 

1247
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,160
It's all about the kind of thing
that it's like if I stuff 

1248
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,560
something up, I can just be 
annoyed at myself and it's fine.

1249
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,040
This is the same reason that I 
don't let vocal do things around

1250
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,960
the house. 
He's like, oh, I can plug the 

1251
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,160
hole in the wall. 
I can patch that up. 

1252
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,080
I'm like, no, no, no, no. 
I'm gonna get like a 

1253
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,200
professional to do it so that 
then if something goes wrong, 

1254
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,600
I'm annoyed at somebody who will
leave the house. 

1255
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,120
I don't have to pay them. 
Maybe rather than getting 

1256
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,200
annoyed at him and still having 
to live with him, he knows I'm 

1257
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,600
talking about him. 
He's standing right here. 

1258
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,600
I think he should defend 
himself, get him over here to 

1259
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,960
defend himself. 
Hello, yeah I can do some 

1260
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,440
things, but the reason I'm 
incompetent is because just 

1261
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,520
doesn't let me do anything. 
I'm right there. 

1262
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,200
That's right. 
You stand up for yourself, Sir. 

1263
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,680
You don't let her tell you what.
You get it, you know, Go put a 

1264
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480
hole in the wall right now and 
you fill that sucker back. 

1265
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,320
No more holes in my wall. 
Oh my God, I came back with 

1266
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,520
three U holes in my walls. 
They can't. 

1267
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:55,200
Holes in my wall. 
You. 

1268
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,640
All that, all that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1269
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,520
This is why you're not allowed 
to do things. 

1270
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,640
Go back to your office. 
That's just the one she knows 

1271
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:02,800
about. 
No, dear. 

1272
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,880
He's got a bunch of little 
hamster holes all over the house

1273
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,960
that he's just like, I'm gonna 
leave it right here and Jess is 

1274
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,440
now never gonna know. 
What a minute. 

1275
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,760
Now one of the big things I got 
out of the actual health and 

1276
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,280
Wellness session though, what 
was really resonated me is 

1277
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,280
actually from Amanda as she was 
talking about the different 

1278
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,360
comments and things that you get
online and especially for us 

1279
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,360
when you are putting things out 
there on the Internet, people 

1280
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,560
will respond back to you. 
I call them the the keyboard 

1281
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,480
warriors, right? 
That have no issue whatsoever 

1282
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:38,600
letting you know what you did 
right or wrong from their 

1283
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,800
perspective. 
The thing is, is that while most

1284
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,840
people will say like now, I let 
that roll off my back, I'll tell

1285
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,680
you from my perspective, that is
a defense mechanism. 

1286
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,000
Like I will forever remember the
rudest comment anyone had ever 

1287
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,040
left on any of my things. 
And let me go ahead and just say

1288
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,920
that for you right now. 
Just so you have an example. 

1289
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,920
This also was a comment that was
left on my YouTube Channel Four 

1290
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,840
or five years ago. 
It was, I would rather chew 

1291
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,240
marbles and poop glass than 
create the spread that you just 

1292
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,200
did inside of your bullet 
journal. 

1293
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,680
But I remember in that and just 
being like, was that a waste of 

1294
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,160
time? 
Like one person said that to me 

1295
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,560
and I was like, was that a waste
of time? 

1296
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,880
You know, disregard the other, 
you know, 30 or 40 comments that

1297
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,200
said that it was fantastic. 
But like that stuff does affect 

1298
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,040
people. 
And especially when you are 

1299
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,880
doing this full time or part 
time or spending your time doing

1300
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,280
anything, it is so important to 
just know like what you say and 

1301
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,600
do do does affect other people 
regardless of how happy they are

1302
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,080
on camera. 
Like I think about that comment 

1303
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,040
often enough that I just brought
it up again. 

1304
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,880
I think it's also a tricky 
thing. 

1305
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,040
Yeah. 
It's like because I technically,

1306
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,680
I do definitely have comments 
like that, like the person who 

1307
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,520
said like you need to do 
something about your skin stat. 

1308
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,840
And I'm like, no, sorry, that's 
just my face. 

1309
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,120
I'm a warm lady with a rosy 
complexion, not a drunk. 

1310
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,080
If you were wondering if you 
know, you might, you might be 

1311
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,600
wondering, but no. 
But I I also find that even the 

1312
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,560
well meaning comments sometimes 
aren't great. 

1313
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,680
Like recently I put out a video 
that was about my health 

1314
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,520
journal, which is always going 
to be an interesting kind of 

1315
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,960
topic and people will have a lot
of opinions and such and even 

1316
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,120
people who they genuinely mean 
well and they want to help you 

1317
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,040
out. 
Sometimes if you're not, you 

1318
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,280
know, workshopping your comment 
in a way that makes it more 

1319
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,560
positive, it comes off as like a
you're wrong. 

1320
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,280
I'm right. 
You must do this, otherwise you 

1321
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,920
will fail at your health goals. 
It's like, Nope, don't need 

1322
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,880
that. 
Like you said it, it's probably 

1323
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,000
is just a defense mechanism to 
kind of ignore them nowadays. 

1324
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,240
My new thing that I've been 
telling myself is wow, what an 

1325
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,840
interesting use of your free 
will or wow, what an interesting

1326
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,600
use of your creativity. 
Because I had somebody comment 

1327
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,320
saying, oh, it looks like you've
been doing too many fork to 

1328
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,320
facelifts. 
And it took me like a good 5 

1329
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,360
minutes to figure out that they 
were calling me fat. 

1330
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,960
I'm like, you could have just 
said fat. 

1331
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,440
Like that would have been fine. 
That would have just saved us 

1332
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,800
both a lot of heartache. 
Oh my gosh, I'm sorry that that 

1333
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,920
I'm apologizing for that person 
that is. 

1334
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,160
See, that's the kind of stuff 
that is just like why It's so 

1335
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,200
unnecessary and toxic. 
We don't need that in the 

1336
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,320
community. 
It's always intended as an 

1337
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,320
insult though, and I'm just like
a congratulations, you have 

1338
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,560
eyes. 
Like, yes, I am fat, but that 

1339
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,200
doesn't mean that I'm not 
creative or can't be pretty or 

1340
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,960
don't have great ideas to share,
which is kind of the point of my

1341
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,640
channel. 
So it's like, wow, you picked up

1342
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,960
on something that wasn't the 
point of the video. 

1343
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,000
Congratulations. 
Yeah, the thing, the truth of 

1344
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,240
that is that they weren't there 
for their content. 

1345
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,280
They somehow stumbled across it.
They decided that they were in a

1346
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,480
hateful mood that day and they 
wanted to spread that. 

1347
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,800
And and that is just 
unnecessary, right. 

1348
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,240
But stuff that happens and 
obviously it does affect us in 

1349
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,960
different ways. 
And we can say that doesn't 

1350
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,440
bother me. 
Or are you going to put it in 

1351
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,720
different spots? 
I mean, the other thing too that

1352
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,320
I got out of this session was 
from Taylor. 

1353
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,280
And she talked about paying 
attention to your body and 

1354
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,080
because your body will be 
telling you things. 

1355
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,040
And I think both from a physical
standpoint, but also from like a

1356
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,160
mental health standpoint too, 
that's something I really got 

1357
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,160
out of that was, you know, that 
that weird feeling that you have

1358
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,240
that's not like a physical pain 
necessarily or like something's 

1359
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,800
wrong, but like just something 
you sense is kind of off. 

1360
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,120
It's just another way that you 
say it's like your body is 

1361
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,360
trying to tell you something, 
but you have to kind of pay 

1362
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,760
attention to it, right? 
Be in tune with it to really 

1363
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,960
understand what that is. 
And I think that was a really 

1364
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,160
powerful message that I got from
the panel too. 

1365
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,840
It's a hard thing to teach, I 
feel, which is probably why a 

1366
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,960
lot of us don't know how to do 
it. 

1367
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,560
That idea of listening to your 
body, paying attention to when 

1368
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,880
things are quote wrong, because 
sometimes they don't necessarily

1369
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,120
present as wrong, it's just 
presenting as different. 

1370
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,320
And if you don't have a label 
that kind of goes with that 

1371
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,120
difference, then you don't 
necessarily know what's going on

1372
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,480
for you. 
I know that, you know, trackers 

1373
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,360
and such energy, mood trackers, 
gratitude, love, all of these 

1374
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,160
kind of things can help you kind
of put together the pieces and 

1375
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,400
paint that picture for yourself.
But it isn't a skill that is 

1376
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,600
readily taught to us, I feel. 
No, and we talk so often about 

1377
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,400
it being performative where we 
feel like we have to use those 

1378
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,360
just to have them in my journal 
versus actually using the data 

1379
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,040
that you are pulling from those 
type of trackers to make change,

1380
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,640
right, either positive or 
negative. 

1381
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,640
So I think that was a really 
important thing for me to to pay

1382
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,160
more attention to just, you 
know, as I think about how I am 

1383
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,960
moving forward with my own time 
and energy and like how I'm 

1384
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,440
approaching things, it's also 
good to know that you're not 

1385
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:25,960
alone. 
And I think that was something 

1386
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,400
else, too, that I really liked 
is, you know, listening to other

1387
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,760
people, you know, so often. 
And, you know, we all watch 

1388
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,720
Amanda, Rachel, these videos. 
Maybe you don't. 

1389
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,040
But, you know, she is a big 
YouTube presence. 

1390
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,960
And so you think, oh, she's 
perfect. 

1391
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,400
She's untouchable. 
Like, everything she does is 

1392
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,320
perfection. 
She never has to worry. 

1393
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,760
She's never stressed out. 
And then you just realize, like,

1394
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,440
yeah. 
But behind that, there's so much

1395
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,760
stuff going on and there's a lot
of experiences and things that, 

1396
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,680
you know, she's dealt with 
specifically. 

1397
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,080
And for me as someone that's 
like in that same space, I 

1398
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,680
always take a lot out of those 
sessions for that because I can 

1399
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,400
very much relate. 
Maybe not having millions of 

1400
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,240
followers to the level she does 
are my own products, but it's 

1401
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,640
definitely something that just 
adds levels on top of it. 

1402
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,520
Like you're like, oh, she has 
her own notebook. 

1403
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,080
You're like, do you know how 
much pressure and things that 

1404
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,080
have to be done for that to be 
successful? 

1405
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,080
Because she is handling that all
on her own And just like taking 

1406
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,200
that second to realize that or 
you know, so often she talks 

1407
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,080
about it too, like, you know, 
God forbid she doesn't post her 

1408
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,840
monthly setup on the 1st of the 
month, the day before the 1st of

1409
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,480
the month. 
She doesn't like mid month. 

1410
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,480
And I'm thinking, how terrible 
to have people, like, yelling at

1411
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,160
you being like, where is this 
video? 

1412
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,520
I need it. 
And you're just like, whoa, 

1413
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,560
like, I didn't have time to do 
that just yet. 

1414
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,320
Like, that's a lot of pressure. 
I also really like the point 

1415
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,600
that she made about when you 
work for yourself as someone who

1416
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:47,320
works for themselves, it's very 
easy to see like more output 

1417
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,240
equals more outcome. 
Whereas if you're in a salaried 

1418
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,080
kind of job, it's like if I do 
my hours kind of regardless of 

1419
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,800
how much I get done, like within
reason, we don't want to be put 

1420
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,800
on a PIP. 
As long as you're doing the 

1421
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,040
tasks that have been assigned to
you, at the end of the day, you 

1422
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,480
wrap up your time, you're done, 
you get your paycheck kind of a 

1423
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,360
thing. 
Whereas working for yourself, 

1424
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,320
there aren't necessarily those 
readily established boundaries 

1425
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,160
to hold you to just working 
between set hours. 

1426
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,600
It's like, Oh well, I could work
till 10, I could work till 2:00 

1427
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,320
AM. 
No one's here to stop me. 

1428
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:24,000
Like several of my journal setup
videos, I don't know how I 

1429
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,600
managed to pull them off 
considering I was filming at 

1430
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,640
like 4:00 AM to get those done. 
Like because there was nobody 

1431
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,360
there to stop me. 
I just did it. 

1432
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,680
And especially when it's work 
you love, especially when it's 

1433
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,720
stuff that you just enjoy, 
because then it doesn't feel as 

1434
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,400
much like work. 
But it isn't restful in the way 

1435
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,160
the genuine rest activities are,
which can lead to burnout. 

1436
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,880
So it was nice to hear her touch
on that point and kind of hear 

1437
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,680
that that is something she has 
also suffered with. 

1438
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,200
Because otherwise it's like, oh,
everybody's out here like 

1439
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,600
running their own small 
businesses and such and they're 

1440
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,520
doing all these great things and
whatever and I'm just a burnt 

1441
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,520
out, sad mess. 
It's like, haha, no, we're all 

1442
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,080
burnt out, sad messes. 
That doesn't sound like a good 

1443
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,560
thing to be happy about, but 
it's like it's nice to know that

1444
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,280
other people understand the 
difficulty. 

1445
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,200
Yeah, it most certainly is. 
Well, let's go ahead and 

1446
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,280
dovetail into the next session, 
which was actually about endless

1447
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,360
creativity. 
We talked a lot episode about 

1448
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,040
editing, right? 
I sat at their table, I got all 

1449
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,240
the gear. 
I'm very excited about all of 

1450
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,800
the stationary that I got from 
them. 

1451
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,520
And they had a great session as 
well, just talking about 

1452
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,280
bringing their products into the
United States and kind of 

1453
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,480
outside of their space. 
It's funny, when we talked about

1454
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,440
it, we got some messages where 
like I live in Germany and like 

1455
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,680
everyone has editing products 
like in their drawers. 

1456
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,760
They're essentially the Sharpie,
just not in the US, right? 

1457
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,120
And I thought it was really cool
to hear them talk about their 

1458
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,560
passion behind stationary and 
bringing those things to the US 

1459
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,360
specifically. 
They have such an amazing line 

1460
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,680
of products. 
I've been playing with the 

1461
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,720
metallic markers. 
I actually have some blackout 

1462
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,440
sticky notes that I was like, 
I'll never use these. 

1463
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,440
I just don't think about pulling
out the pens. 

1464
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,280
And I've been using the metallic
markers so much that now I'm 

1465
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,400
just like, oh I'm gonna go ahead
and use the metallic markers 

1466
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:03,760
today to write a little post it 
note. 

1467
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,520
I didn't actually get an 
opportunity to use any of the 

1468
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,000
markers. 
That feels like a complete lie. 

1469
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,360
I totally had the opportunity. 
I just didn't take it because I 

1470
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,200
know that we did get some Eddie 
markers at our table to play 

1471
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,880
around with and to have a look 
at. 

1472
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,280
Not for keeps, just for being 
able to do the session that 

1473
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,400
followed. 
But in terms of the the 

1474
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,360
collection, would you say that 
the metallic ones are your 

1475
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,560
favorite or? 
I mean, I will say that the 

1476
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,880
metallic ones work really well. 
It's an easy graph for me 

1477
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,280
because I've had them out and 
I've been using them, but their 

1478
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,640
glitter brush pens are nice. 
I got to use them at the table 

1479
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,640
and I was really impressed with 
what that looked like there. 

1480
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,240
The fine liners are really nice 
too. 

1481
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,440
They have a longer kind of nib 
to them, so when I was using 

1482
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,200
those for me personally, I felt 
like I had a lot of space to 

1483
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,000
write and kind of can reach with
those without having to be like 

1484
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,280
right on top of my paper. 
So excited to experiment more 

1485
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,240
and explore more with them. 
But yeah, it's just a an easy 

1486
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,320
grab at this point. 
Now I'm like, yeah, this looks 

1487
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:57,840
cool. 
It's nice and opaque. 

1488
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,880
It's doing its job. 
But of course, we did get some 

1489
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:02,440
of those at the table to play 
around with, in particular the 

1490
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,720
textile markers, I believe 
because in our next session we 

1491
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,880
were drawing on canvas bags. 
Well, as some of us were I, I 

1492
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,640
decided to bippity boppity back 
the heck out of that one because

1493
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,000
I'm like, Nope, I'm going to 
stuff it up. 

1494
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,080
The perfectionist mentality came
out, but it was really good to 

1495
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,040
see you get in there and draw 
some stuff down. 

1496
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,240
Yeah, it was awesome. 
They were doing a little bit of 

1497
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,920
lettering along with using that 
textile markers. 

1498
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,200
It was really cool to see people
at the table experiment and 

1499
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,480
explore and that I created mine 
and I'm excited to use it. 

1500
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,880
No, I think that the most 
impressive part about that 

1501
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,920
session, though, was Lisa just 
getting in and showing her 

1502
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,600
process because she was just 
like so speedy with it. 

1503
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,840
And I know she left a lot of 
people very impressed. 

1504
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,320
I feel like you left everybody 
just being like, how did you do 

1505
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,880
that so quickly? 
And that's the difficult thing. 

1506
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,240
As someone who has practiced 
this for so long. 

1507
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,520
I think the first time I had a 
calligraphy pen in my hand was 

1508
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,720
in middle school, and I've not 
put them down since. 

1509
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,160
And so to me, doing it all the 
time makes it go fast. 

1510
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:06,200
So I tried to break it down into
steps, but inevitably the nerves

1511
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,920
also kick in and we're going a 
little faster than we planned. 

1512
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,000
No beneficial. 
I also loved your point that you

1513
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,440
made though about the idea that 
you don't need a lot of practice

1514
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,520
to get like worlds better. 
And that's the thing. 

1515
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,200
It's like even just by like 
you're doing it a little bit on 

1516
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,440
and off and stuff. 
The like rate of progress that 

1517
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:21,760
you make is actually quite 
impressive. 

1518
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,240
Yes, and I've gotten that 
feedback a lot because people 

1519
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,040
think if they get a book they 
have to do like 3 pages of it to

1520
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,800
be to count as practice. 
Like, no, that's not what I do. 

1521
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,520
Like the edges of my book. 
They might have an alphabet. 

1522
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,280
I might want to play with a 
single letter to see how I can 

1523
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,240
change what that capital looks 
like. 

1524
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:43,840
You don't have to follow the. 
Rules. 

1525
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,240
You make your own rules. 
For sure, for people who didn't 

1526
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,120
get to see your session today, 
what would have been like the 

1527
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,040
one take away that you would 
have wanted them to have? 

1528
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,000
Don't give up. 
Everyone has this bit of 

1529
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,920
creativity that they. 
Swear. 

1530
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,600
That they don't, but you do. 
And it doesn't look like my art.

1531
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,040
It doesn't look like your art. 
There's a little bit in you. 

1532
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,360
If you give yourself the chance 
to play, it's going to. 

1533
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,920
Come, that's a really good point
as well, because I feel like a 

1534
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,040
lot of people in our community 
are like, oh, you're so 

1535
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,800
creative. 
I'm not creative, but it's like 

1536
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,000
your creativity doesn't have to 
look like mine. 

1537
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,720
Absolutely, yeah. 
It would be so boring if it did.

1538
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:20,720
Exactly. 
I'm like that. 

1539
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,359
Then it's not really creative. 
Then it's just like a Prince of 

1540
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,399
Prince. 
Wait, we all look like a stamp? 

1541
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:29,240
And while we love stamps, we get
to all use them differently. 

1542
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,560
Exactly. 
My favorite part about Lisa is 

1543
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,520
actually that she talked about 
being a part of the community 

1544
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,720
and this being her first time up
on stage and how excited she was

1545
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,359
to see her friends out in the 
audience, like cheering her on. 

1546
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,399
I can very much relate to that 
because there's nothing better 

1547
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,800
than like doing something that's
a little nerve wracking, but 

1548
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,279
knowing that you have the 
backing of your friends and your

1549
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,520
community to do that. 
So I was so impressed by how she

1550
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,359
did things to the fact that she 
could write and draw and talk 

1551
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,359
all at the same time. 
She's a much better person than 

1552
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,240
I am. 
I am unable to do those things. 

1553
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,960
Yeah, that that skill set is not
a skill set that is innate for 

1554
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,920
me. 
I'm practicing, I'm getting 

1555
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,800
there, But no actually like 
being able to draw things out 

1556
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,080
and just keep talking about 
other stuff, especially when 

1557
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,200
you're writing words. 
I'm like, if I am trying to 

1558
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,760
write words and talk about 
something at the same time, they

1559
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,960
better be the same words. 
Otherwise, Wolf. 

1560
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,479
In my reading journal recently I
was sitting there talking to a 

1561
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,200
friend about I don't even know 
what I was trying to write down 

1562
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,960
that I watched the movie Wicked 
and I ended up writing Wicked 

1563
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,120
Wings. 
Yay chicken. 

1564
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,760
But like no, that is not what I 
intended to write down. 

1565
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,960
And This is why you don't talk 
and write at the same time. 

1566
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,600
Yeah, it's definitely special. 
So we got to wrap up the day 

1567
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:46,560
with our keynote speaker, which 
I felt kind of bad about it 

1568
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,880
because I didn't know a whole 
lot about John Green. 

1569
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,399
I feel like everybody else knew 
everything about him. 

1570
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:54,279
My wife knew about it, but I was
like, I don't know that I've 

1571
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:57,520
necessarily heard of him before.
But then as he was talking and 

1572
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,760
sharing about his novels and how
some of them become movies, I 

1573
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,120
was like, oh, OK, now I get it. 
But I think for me, one of my 

1574
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,040
favorite parts is that you got 
to interview him, which I think 

1575
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,360
was just perfection. 
So we just had our keynote 

1576
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:14,480
speaker, John Green talk to us 
and I would just wanted to say 

1577
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:16,840
that I'm so close to the end of 
your book. 

1578
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:17,920
I was trying to finish it. 
Thank. 

1579
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,080
You so much for reading it. 
But the best part is, is that 

1580
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,560
like my my partner, he did a 
biochemistry degree and now he's

1581
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,000
in patent examining or like 
patents. 

1582
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,840
Yeah, you were talking about the
Johnson Johnson stuff. 

1583
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,440
I'm just like A and that's what 
he comes home and bitches about.

1584
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:31,880
Yeah, yeah, you know all about 
that. 

1585
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,920
Exactly like I've heard the 
story before. 

1586
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,360
No, it was. 
It's been really good and I'm 

1587
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,680
really enjoying it. 
Thank you. 

1588
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,600
So for anybody who didn't get to
come and see your presentation, 

1589
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,200
what would have been the like #1
take away you would have wanted 

1590
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,360
them to get out of it? 
I think the biggest take away 

1591
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,840
was how important it is to find 
communities like this one and 

1592
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:52,080
connect with the other people in
online spaces, in real life 

1593
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:56,240
spaces, in hybrid online real 
life spaces, because that is 

1594
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,360
where what Kurt Vonnegut called 
the terrible disease of 

1595
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,000
loneliness can actually be 
cured. 

1596
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:03,960
Yeah, No, for sure. 
And I, I like some your points 

1597
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,920
about the idea of like your 
community, like the nerd 

1598
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,040
fighters and stuff, and how we 
had some of them here in the 

1599
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,800
crowd as well. 
Yeah, it was great to see some 

1600
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,080
nerd fighters here. 
It doesn't surprise me that 

1601
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,320
there's some frost over between 
this community and nerd fight 

1602
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:15,880
area. 
Yeah, no, I think that there's 

1603
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,560
also something like like Planter
Palace kind of community as 

1604
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:19,800
well. 
And when they heard that you 

1605
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,320
were going to be here, they're 
like, Oh my God, I need to get 

1606
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,120
tickets to go wild. 
But I've like never been before 

1607
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,000
and such. 
So it was really cool to hear 

1608
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,360
you kind of like give them a 
shout out while you were here in

1609
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,640
terms of like building community
in your life. 

1610
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:33,080
What's kind of like the number 
one value that you say in that 

1611
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,880
to yourself? 
I try to find people who love 

1612
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,760
the same things that I love, 
whether that's, you know, in my 

1613
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,080
life, caring a lot about 
tuberculosis and the people who 

1614
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,800
are fighting TB or caring about 
the stupid fourth year soccer 

1615
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,880
team I support. 
When you find people whose love 

1616
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,080
is oriented in the same 
direction as yours, that's when 

1617
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,800
you found your people. 
Yeah, I, I, I very much valued 

1618
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,640
your point about the fact that 
it's like, oh, we don't all have

1619
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,000
to be on the same page, but it's
like you're looking for like 

1620
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,600
spirited people, not like minded
people in that kind of way. 

1621
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,200
Yeah, that's a beautiful way of 
putting it. 

1622
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,080
It was really funny trying to 
prepare for that interview 

1623
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,240
because I mean, just preparing 
for Go Wild in general. 

1624
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,360
I decided to read his book 
literally because we were going 

1625
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,280
to go wild and he was going to 
present like in preparation for 

1626
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,360
the Washington DC von. 
I tried to make sure to watch 

1627
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,520
Hamilton because we had Elise 
Goldsberry, who wasn't going to 

1628
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:21,840
be there. 
But then I didn't really know 

1629
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:22,960
how to prepare for Martha 
Stewart. 

1630
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,920
I'm like, do I go buy a home 
cookbook or something? 

1631
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,320
She's done like everything. 
I'm like, I know Martha Stewart.

1632
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,680
I don't really feel like I need 
to prepare to see her other than

1633
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,240
like emotionally and 
spiritually. 

1634
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,240
But in terms of doing research, 
not so much. 

1635
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:38,360
In terms of John Green, though I
had heard of him before he was 

1636
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,160
announced, so having him 
announced was quite exciting. 

1637
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,280
But I haven't actually read any 
of his books. 

1638
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,880
So I was like, OK, we must read 
a book from John Green before we

1639
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,320
get there. 
And it just so happened that 

1640
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,240
everything as tuberculosis was 
coming out. 

1641
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,680
And so reading through that, 
there were just so many points 

1642
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,640
in there that I'm like, oh, I 
could talk with him about this. 

1643
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,120
Oh, I could talk with him about 
that. 

1644
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,920
And of course, it's just a very 
short interview. 

1645
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:00,520
You don't want to talk his ear 
off. 

1646
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,920
He had other places to be with 
other people to meet and such. 

1647
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,160
So it was still nice to 
highlight the fact that his book

1648
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,200
had been really good. 
I did really enjoy it in the 

1649
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,720
end. 
I'm not really a history book 

1650
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,640
kind of reader, but I think that
he did such a good job of 

1651
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,280
actually making it relevant. 
I mean, the title is Everything 

1652
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,040
is Tuberculosis, so you hope 
that it's relevant, but just 

1653
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,960
tying all of the pieces together
and seeing where TB has kind of 

1654
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,240
affected human history and also 
the people that it's affected. 

1655
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:26,920
And such. 
One part that I didn't really 

1656
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,440
get to talk with him about 
because again, short interview 

1657
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,240
other places to be other people 
to say was the idea of it being 

1658
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,360
a kind of like poet's disease 
and how it was kind of thought 

1659
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,280
of as this very kind of 
beautiful thing because of the 

1660
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,520
way it would impact the human 
body. 

1661
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,520
And it would give you the rosy 
complexion and it would give you

1662
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,520
the kind of like, I don't know, 
snatched look kind of a thing 

1663
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,200
because you just don't eat kind 
of a thing which, you know, not 

1664
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,040
eating and thus losing weight 
because of it. 

1665
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,080
Not a great thing. 
But it really bought into 

1666
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,480
question the idea of when people
say like, oh, wow, you look so 

1667
01:13:58,480 --> 01:13:59,760
good. 
You're looking great. 

1668
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,040
You know how things been going 
for you. 

1669
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,360
And it's literally because 
you've been sick, so you haven't

1670
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,360
been eating. 
So you've like lost a bunch of 

1671
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,160
weight. 
And it's like, cool, I look 

1672
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,800
great because I was genuinely 
ill. 

1673
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,320
And that is definitely something
that has happened to me before. 

1674
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,520
So it was an interesting point 
to find in the book. 

1675
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,240
It was one of those topics where
I thought it was just the name 

1676
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,760
of the book, but the content was
going to be different. 

1677
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,440
Then it was like, no, this is 
literally the history of 

1678
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:28,040
tuberculosis. 
And I was like, oh, OK, all 

1679
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,560
right. 
But what I was glad to get from 

1680
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,280
it more than anything was about 
community. 

1681
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,200
And we talked about that a whole
lot. 

1682
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,000
And I think the biggest thing 
that I really got from him was 

1683
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,920
the idea of the hybrid approach 
to different types of 

1684
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:46,120
communities and again, relating 
directly to Go Wild and being on

1685
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,280
Instagram and YouTube, right? 
And kind of 1 sided the camera 

1686
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,360
versus not seeing anybody else 
is that we have these 

1687
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,240
opportunities to come together 
and to be a hybrid community and

1688
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,520
the importance of being able to 
do that and like what that means

1689
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,560
for individuals, what that means
for a community specifically. 

1690
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,040
That's really what I got out of 
it. 

1691
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,120
So I was like, OK, I don't know 
a lot about this topic 

1692
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,560
specifically. 
I don't know if I would 

1693
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:12,000
necessarily read that book. 
I'm sure I'd be more happy 

1694
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,760
reading a different one of his. 
But it was still really cool 

1695
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,320
just to hear him talk and just, 
you know, he is a real writer. 

1696
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:22,040
He's an author, he's an artist 
of words, and just hearing him 

1697
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,840
talk about his approach and how 
he did that was really neat. 

1698
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,200
And I, again, that's what I took
away from it more than anything.

1699
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,560
But that's what I love about all
of these different sessions, 

1700
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,560
Jess, is that we can all listen 
to the same person and take 

1701
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,440
something totally different away
from it. 

1702
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,960
No, I do think that the emphasis
on community and the importance 

1703
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:39,960
of it. 
And as he kind of mentioned that

1704
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,840
idea of feeling curing the 
disease of loneliness and such. 

1705
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,640
And because I think that a lot 
of the time we don't think about

1706
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,880
loneliness as a disease, but it 
is like, given the way that 

1707
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,080
loneliness impacts the body, you
can certainly think of it as a 

1708
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,600
disease, like in terms of the 
way that it actually impacts 

1709
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,800
your mental health and such. 
But then how that kind of 

1710
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,640
relates to stress and then how 
that will impact your physical 

1711
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,840
health and such. 
You know, with with health in 

1712
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,000
general just being all related, 
it's very, you know, noodle 

1713
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,840
soup, everything is connected. 
It does make sense in that 

1714
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,120
sense, but it's not necessarily 
something that we would 

1715
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,360
immediately think of as like, Oh
yes, disease, especially not 

1716
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,920
like infectious disease. 
Depression as a whole, right, is

1717
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,040
stuff that people will suffer 
through and kind of be through. 

1718
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,240
That's just about loneliness. 
I know it's a lot more than 

1719
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,000
that, but like it can put you in
a depressive state depending who

1720
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,560
you're around, if you are around
other people or everything 

1721
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,480
connected. 
I feel a lot of that feeds 

1722
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:35,320
through kind of how you interact
with people and, and what that 

1723
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,560
does to others and how they 
react and how you do. 

1724
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,320
So there's a lot of 
interconnectivity for sure. 

1725
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,560
And I think that's just 
something you don't usually 

1726
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,280
think about. 
I think like from a topic 

1727
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,920
perspective, it's like, wait, 
what it wait a second? 

1728
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:49,720
What is this about? 
And then you really start to 

1729
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,360
dive into it more and you got to
hearing him speak about the 

1730
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,320
topics and like his approaches 
were really super interesting. 

1731
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,720
I got a lot out of that. 
I think that the most 

1732
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:03,720
controversial point that he 
touched on was how he likes to 

1733
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:08,680
annotate books by tearing the 
pages at the sections that he 

1734
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,400
wants to come back to. 
And like, sure, I don't have a 

1735
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,160
lot of sentimentality for books.
I don't really mind how people 

1736
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,760
treat them, but that feels like 
a very interesting system and 

1737
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,400
one that I shall not be using. 
The way that the entire room 

1738
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:28,000
clutched their pearls when he 
said that it like audibly gasped

1739
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,560
and he was like whoa. 
Oh yeah, this is definitely not 

1740
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,520
the room for that comment. 
Sorry I. 

1741
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,000
Think it's one of those things 
you could probably like train 

1742
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,920
yourself to be OK with it, but I
don't, I don't want to like if 

1743
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:42,960
it's a crafting book. 
If it's a book that I have 

1744
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,000
designated for being scrap 
paper, sure. 

1745
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,480
But if it's one that I have 
designated as being like a 

1746
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,960
reference book and I want to 
come back to it and such, I 

1747
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,800
would rather take a highlighter 
to the page. 

1748
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,080
Then I would just RIP the page. 
Well, having John Green speak 

1749
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,120
and having him talk and answer 
questions was great. 

1750
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,720
And you know, we saved the best 
for last, though I think 

1751
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,840
personally, because I don't 
think that you could have had a 

1752
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:10,080
more successful Go Wild event 
without the Hostess, with the 

1753
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,480
mostess, the one, the only Miss 
Amy Tangerine. 

1754
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,800
Amy Tangerine was our MC kind of
like host for the entire affair 

1755
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,640
this year, which was very 
exciting. 

1756
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,240
So what made you say yes to 
being our like, you know, 

1757
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,280
Hostess with the mostest? 
Honestly, I love being a part of

1758
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:30,120
the community and I thought if 
Go Wild is asking me to do 

1759
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:34,160
something I've never done 
before, they trust me enough to 

1760
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,160
take on the task. 
And as nervous as I was to say 

1761
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:42,480
yes, once I made that 
commitment, I just knew that I 

1762
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:46,640
had their support and it's a 
community I already love, So 

1763
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:47,680
what could go wrong? 
Yeah. 

1764
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,560
Go wrong. 
I mean that's the thing you 

1765
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,320
bought the energy. 
It was all very much appreciated

1766
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:52,880
the way you kind of like 
introduced everybody and got 

1767
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,160
everybody hyped. 
Like I know like going on to 

1768
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:56,920
stage. 
I was so nervous and hearing you

1769
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,240
kind of hyper. 
Someone like OK Amy. 

1770
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,160
Believes in me so funny. 
You don't realize how nervous 

1771
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,600
people are because people can 
put on a good front and, and 

1772
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,520
honestly, I'm not even trying to
put other people at ease. 

1773
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,440
I want the community to have the
best experience possible, right?

1774
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:16,760
It's really about the people 
connecting and you all have such

1775
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,640
great energy and connection 
between you. 

1776
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:24,960
It's so fun and really inspiring
to see people get giddy over all

1777
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,680
that you're showing them. 
And you had some really cool 

1778
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,800
terms that I wrote down. 
I'm glad, yeah. 

1779
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,520
I like to bring the lexicon to 
the fable. 

1780
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,800
Like in terms of the community 
of Go Wild and such. 

1781
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,880
What would be like your kind of 
like favorite thing about these 

1782
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,760
people? 
Truly, just the fact that they 

1783
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,840
show up and say yes, right? 
They take their seat at the 

1784
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,520
table. 
It takes a lot to do that. 

1785
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,360
And I think that nobody has it 
easy and it's not easy to get 

1786
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:55,120
here, clearly, right? 
I and I really appreciate that 

1787
01:19:55,320 --> 01:20:00,200
Once a year this happens in a 
place that might be convenient, 

1788
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,240
might not be convenient for you,
but people say yes to it. 

1789
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:07,680
They show up and they show up 
and they're present and they're 

1790
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,560
here. 
And there's nothing like the way

1791
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:16,480
people connect in person. 
I know online is so wonderful 

1792
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:20,480
and we can have great access to 
podcasts and social media, but 

1793
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:23,400
in person you almost can't 
describe it. 

1794
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,960
And so you have to experience it
for yourself. 

1795
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,960
And another thing is, I know 
that people say Go Wild just 

1796
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,760
once a year, but I really 
believe every experience is once

1797
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,160
in a lifetime because we will 
never have this Go Wild indie 

1798
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,720
again. 
And if you missed it, I'm so 

1799
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:43,440
glad you you all are covering it
for people who couldn't make it 

1800
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:46,040
in person. 
But I strongly encourage people.

1801
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,560
There was somebody here who flew
for the first time. 

1802
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,320
She's an adult and she had never
been on a plane. 

1803
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,040
And you know what she said to 
herself? 

1804
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,560
She made sure she wasn't going 
to miss Go Wild. 

1805
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,560
She wanted to try it. 
First timer, newbie and the 

1806
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,120
first time on the plane and her 
first time singing karaoke. 

1807
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,760
And guess what she chose? 
Itsy busy spider. 

1808
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:07,840
I love it. 
Oh my gosh. 

1809
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,600
I think that's the thing. 
It's like a lot of people are 

1810
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,440
like, oh, I don't know if I want
to go like what? 

1811
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:13,320
If I don't. 
Know anyone like it's going to 

1812
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,680
be awkward, but it's like you 
kind of said, there is such an 

1813
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,040
energy here and being like in 
the room where it happens, 

1814
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,480
there's such like a a power that
comes with that. 

1815
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,080
Absolutely. 
And everybody's unique, so even 

1816
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,280
if you are a little nervous, 
it's OK to say that too. 

1817
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,000
And guess what? 
Chances are the people around 

1818
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,800
you at your table, who you meet,
you never know what's going to 

1819
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,960
connect you. 
And it's always usually 

1820
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,680
something really interesting and
good or fountain pens or funny 

1821
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,520
inks or sayings that you have. 
There's something that ties us 

1822
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,640
together and it's beyond a love 
of paper. 

1823
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,200
It's really about a love of 
people. 

1824
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,920
I know she said it wasn't her 
intention to like, you know, 

1825
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,120
hype people up before they got 
on stage or whatnot, but it very

1826
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:55,920
much had that effect on me 
personally. 

1827
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,120
It was nice to hear her kind of 
like cheer you on to get you 

1828
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,680
amped up to go on stage because 
as previously mentioned, 

1829
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,320
somebody was a nervous wreck, so
being able to have somebody kind

1830
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,200
of already cheering for you 
before you stepped out was quite

1831
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,280
nice. 
She always brings that energy 

1832
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,000
anytime I'm around her. 
She's this little ball of 

1833
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:18,080
happiness and sunlight that you 
see. 

1834
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,960
You know, she's always saying 
hello. 

1835
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:23,480
I mean, when I was at that DC 
show where I just snuck in 

1836
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:26,320
there, I saw her and like, she 
knew who I was. 

1837
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,920
And I was like, how do you know 
who I am? 

1838
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,680
Like, I know who you are. 
Amy Tangerine, you do not know 

1839
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,520
me. 
And she's always been very 

1840
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,920
supportive and very kind and 
very nice, which I can always 

1841
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,440
appreciate. 
But yeah, having a little 

1842
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:40,760
cheerleader back there and her 
outfits were amazing. 

1843
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,120
Every single day she came out 
with a different level of gear 

1844
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,800
on, which was great. 
And then having the ability to 

1845
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,080
talk to her at the end and kind 
of reflect on that. 

1846
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:52,400
I mean, what you don't realize 
if you've never had to host and 

1847
01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:55,560
do that, there's so much that 
happens behind the scenes. 

1848
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,680
Memorizing the people that 
you're going to introduce and 

1849
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,920
making sure you don't say their 
names wrong and what are their 

1850
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,680
topics and who they are. 
I mean, even for myself, she, 

1851
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,800
you know, talked about us when 
she introduced us and was like, 

1852
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,560
you know, him for his fountain 
pens. 

1853
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,640
And I was like, do people know 
me that I love fountain pens? 

1854
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,800
I guess they do because I do 
talk about them a lot. 

1855
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,840
But it was just interesting to 
like hear someone else say that 

1856
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,360
about me, which was really cool.
So it was just fantastic to hear

1857
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,360
her talk. 
And she's been such a big part 

1858
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,120
of the creative, like planning 
community as well. 

1859
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,920
And just she was a great person 
to have host. 

1860
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,400
I don't know anybody else that 
could do it. 

1861
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,120
No, very much that it was a 
great opportunity for us to get 

1862
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,680
to speak to the speakers and 
also to the volunteers and just 

1863
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,240
the whole behind the scenes 
thing was so great. 

1864
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,600
I know that that's a very simple
word to summarize it, but it 

1865
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:47,280
felt really excellent. 
I, I was kind of nervous going 

1866
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,760
into it. 
It's like, oh gosh, we're going 

1867
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,880
to interrupting people and 
they're not going to want to 

1868
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,040
speak to us. 
But everybody was so 

1869
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,120
accommodating. 
Everybody was so willing to give

1870
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,960
us their time and like, let us 
share their voice and highlight 

1871
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,880
them. 
But question for you, Planner 

1872
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,440
Powell, which of the sessions 
sounds like it would have been 

1873
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:03,920
the most interesting to you? 
Which one do you think you would

1874
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,320
have gotten the most out of? 
Or if you were there, which one 

1875
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,680
did you get the most out of? 
Let us know either in the 

1876
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:12,360
comments or you can e-mail us at
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or 

1877
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,680
hit us up on Instagram at 
Planner Pals Podcast. 

1878
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,160
Well, that is a wrap on our Go 
Wild coverage for 2025. 

1879
01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:22,080
Last episode we talked about it 
be in New Orleans, so we'll see 

1880
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,560
if we're going. 
Jess and I already are setting 

1881
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,040
up our only Feet pages. 
We're becoming men and women of 

1882
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,520
the night. 
We'll do everything we can to be

1883
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,400
there to be able to bring you 
more great event coverage. 

1884
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,160
Or someone could always sponsor 
us, Jess, and we won't have to 

1885
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:40,120
do any of those things. 
Bring Planner Pals podcast back 

1886
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,800
to go wild next year. 
Let's just put that energy out 

1887
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,760
into the universe and see who 
answers the call. 

1888
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,440
Yeah, it would be really, really
awesome to not have to spend 

1889
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:52,440
another 6K, but also like, you 
know, I'm gonna be there anyway.

1890
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,120
In terms of next time's topic 
though, we're going to be 

1891
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,360
looking at trying to store all 
the supplies that we got from Go

1892
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,640
Wild and also the stuff that was
already in our stash because, 

1893
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,080
you know, it's a lot. 
Stationary storage is something 

1894
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,360
that I know a lot of us struggle
with, so we're going to be 

1895
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,360
sharing our techniques for 
storing our hordes. 

1896
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,520
Until then though, thanks for 
watching.