1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Hello and welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,240 by two true planner pals. My name is Mark and I go by Mark 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,560 Your pages. And I'm Jess or Jessie Curran, 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,600 and this is another episode that has been brought to us by the 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,160 wonderful Planner Pals over on YouTube, that being our official 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,640 community over there. If you would like to join up, we 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,040 would love to have you. 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Today we're going to be talking 18 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,920 about trends that we have fallen into in the planner space. 19 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,120 Now, immediate caveat, this doesn't mean that we necessarily 20 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,840 are still doing them, but it's something that we saw online, 21 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,920 saw in a group of people did and said, oh, FOMO, got to do this 22 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,640 too. So we'll be sharing kind of the 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,920 good, the bad, the ugly, if we're still using it, if we're 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,280 not. And it's going to be a really 25 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,000 great episode. So just I'll go ahead and let 26 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,240 you kick off like the very first one because I feel like yours is 27 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,200 like, yeah, I should have written this down on mine too. 28 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,560 Definitely. And I think that in particular, 29 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,680 when I was here feeling like a discombobulated mess, I didn't 30 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,120 know what was going on. I had like all of these plans 31 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,600 and all of these places, and I'm finally like, I'm going to get 32 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,360 my life together. So not only did I find bullet 33 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,720 journaling, Yeah. But more specifically, I found 34 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,960 that every single person that I came across online was used 35 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,840 using the Lt. 1917. So I'm like, Oh my gosh, I must 36 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,200 have it. That that's the thing. 37 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,520 That's how we do this correctly, right? 38 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,200 To the extent where I feel like there's a very good reason why 39 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,600 Bullet Journal and Lt. 1917 now work together because that 40 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,080 connection is just so strong. And I definitely was an LT1917 41 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,840 fangirl. I was like, you know, from the 42 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,000 first one that I had, I'm like, oh, I'm going to have a full 43 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,840 rainbow of these. I'm going to work through them 44 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,440 in like reverse rainbow order. The first one I got was the 45 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,000 anthracite color because I'm like, oh, maybe I want something 46 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,800 a little more neutral just in case I don't want to, you know, 47 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,320 be carrying around this flashing like a hot pink notebook or 48 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,280 whatever, being like, Oh my gosh, guys, look at me, I'm so 49 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,400 organized. Make it a little more discreet. 50 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,160 And then the next one I got, I'm like, OK, well, if we're working 51 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,200 backwards from like a reverse kind of rainbow water, we'll get 52 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,120 a purple and we got a dark blue, then we got a regular blue. 53 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,480 And then I just randomly got a red one because I'm like, I 54 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,560 obviously need to Start learning Japanese and red is the only 55 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,640 color I can use for that. And then I got a hot pink one 56 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:25,600 because I'm like, OK, maybe we'll just build the rainbow out 57 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,560 from both ends of the spectrum. And then after I had like 6 of 58 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,600 them, I'm like, OK, yeah, this notebook isn't actually for me. 59 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,440 The paperweight was way too thin. 60 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,200 Being able to see everything throughout, like the entire 61 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,120 notebook on the reverse side of the page and stuff was doing my 62 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,480 head in. So although I was a fangirl, I 63 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,720 did have to kind of, you know, put down my fangirl card 64 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,480 eventually and say, yeah, I need to move to something that has 65 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,920 thicker paper. Yeah, the Red 1 was my very 66 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,840 first one too, and I vividly remember paying maybe $20.00 for 67 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,680 that and being like who the hell would ever pay this much money 68 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,480 for a notebook like this thing? Better fix my life for $20.00 69 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,200 because everything thing else that I had previously was either 70 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,040 a free notebook or, you know, just like a lined one that I got 71 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,040 somewhere else. Mine is a little bit more like 72 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,200 chicken before the egg or egg before the chicken where I 73 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,800 discovered bullet journaling first and then saw everybody's 74 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,000 with those notebooks. So I'm very much in line with 75 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,280 you on this trend too. And I think I only ended up 76 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,440 buying maybe two of them total before I much like you, felt 77 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,320 very similarly to the paper and kind of the ghosting and all of 78 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,320 that just because I didn't know any better. 79 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,560 And then, you know, you find a notebook that doesn't do that, 80 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,600 and you feel if you have found the Garden of planner Eden, you 81 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,880 know you're like, this is special, this is right. 82 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,480 This feels good. No, very that I found that for a 83 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,600 while I was holding out. It wasn't so bad, especially 84 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,720 when I wasn't doing anything that was particularly 85 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,040 decorative, I suppose. But as soon as I started to get 86 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,000 a little bit more drawing heavy and really wanted that kind of, 87 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,520 I guess, art to shine, I didn't want things showing through from 88 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,000 the other side because we just distract from the line work to 89 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,440 the extent where I was trying to, you know, maybe use every 90 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,240 second page in some kind of cases, maybe stick pages 91 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,880 together. But then it's like a cool, I'm 92 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,520 wasting, well, not using in the way that it's intended to be 93 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,560 used half a notebook so that then I don't have this ghosting 94 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,160 and bleeding problem. Why not just get a notebook that 95 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:14,640 won't have that problem? Yeah. 96 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,600 And some of my first notebooks, I used to put a sticky note in 97 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,200 the very beginning for the pages that I skipped because much like 98 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,960 you, like, I wanted a nice fresh, clean page when I got 99 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,720 started. And I was like, OK, well, I 100 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,120 can't have this ghosting on the other side. 101 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,400 And I definitely made it really far on that sticky note because 102 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,720 I would use those for like collection pages. 103 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,840 Or if there was like a collection that went to like 104 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,560 another page beyond what I had already planned, it was like, 105 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,760 well, that's not a big deal. I'm just writing notes on this. 106 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,680 This isn't something that I'm showing online at all. 107 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,360 But yeah, it was definitely one of those things just like, yeah, 108 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,360 this doesn't make me feel good having to like, read through my 109 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,000 previous writing. And I also was a really big fan 110 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,920 of like, really fine point pens as well. 111 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,880 And you can even feel the pen on the other side of that paper 112 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,480 too. And I was just like, no, no, no, 113 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,440 I want this to be clean because it was at the very beginning of 114 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,680 this Instagram bullet journal, fun time job thing. 115 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,080 And I was taking pictures of it every second of the day. 116 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,360 Yeah. And I think that the 117 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,320 photographing aspect in particular is probably why I 118 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,040 decided to move away from that trend. 119 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:17,880 If I was just, I don't even want to say if I was just planning 120 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,040 for myself because I probably would eventually have gotten to 121 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,880 the same kind of point as well. But I do find that I actually 122 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,000 quite like an LT1917. If you're just using black pen 123 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,080 in the notebook with like regular handwriting and you get 124 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,200 that kind of used feeling that is very satisfying, but it 125 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,760 doesn't align with how I actually enjoy planning and 126 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,480 actually enjoy using my planners. 127 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,960 And thus it's enough for me. So much like I said before, just 128 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,280 you know, the chicken before the egg or egg before the chicken. 129 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,880 As much as I was on that same Lt. trend, bullet journaling for 130 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,840 me was kind of my very first like planner friend that I 131 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:52,920 followed. Because when I started looking 132 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,080 into bullet journaling more officially the 2017 ish, I feel 133 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,440 like that was the height of bullet journaling. 134 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,520 Everybody was doing it. All the big creators of the past 135 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,880 were creating. Then I saw what they were using, 136 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,480 how they were using it, which then got me into some other 137 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,000 things too. But I really loved that time for 138 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,840 bullet Journal itself because so many of us were still figuring 139 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:19,720 it out and we were saying, OK, you know, we're by the book. 140 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,840 Literally, in some cases, reading the bullet journal book, 141 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:24,640 right? And really understanding what 142 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,120 this method was, why it was potentially working for us, what 143 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,280 was or wasn't working. In that same breath, it's like, 144 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:34,280 yeah, this is great, I'm doing this, but I don't totally love 145 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:36,240 this. And then starting to see the 146 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,080 bullet journal morph into kind of more of that DIY planning, 147 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,800 which I think is probably more along the lines of where we are 148 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,000 now. I mean, I still personally 149 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,960 follow the method very much. So kind of how I do my 150 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,120 day-to-day, week to week kind of planning and collection pages. 151 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,160 But I definitely have added my own flares to it to kind of fit 152 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,640 my specific needs. And that's something else that I 153 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,200 really just personally love about it. 154 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,440 I think it's why it's still a topic of conversation is because 155 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,120 it's really morphed and evolved over time based off of users 156 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,400 feedback and just how we use it for our daily lives. 157 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Yeah, I found that at least where I'm based, bullet 158 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,600 journaling was probably was like a really big trend. 159 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,480 But because living at the ass end of the world and such, we 160 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,080 get everything late, you know, You know, when TikTok was 161 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,440 actually like a big up and Comer. 162 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,960 I know it's still around. OK, I'm not that old and you'd 163 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,920 get all of the memes and stuff on Instagram like 2 to 3 weeks 164 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,600 later. Yeah, that's New Zealand. 165 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,400 So I think that I found it probably around the same time 166 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,040 that it was getting big in other parts of the world. 167 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,080 It's just that it wasn't necessarily big here, but it did 168 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,560 capture my interest quite quickly. 169 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,920 So I think that I guess I would probably say that I quote fell 170 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,000 for this trend as well. But I also wonder if I have 171 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,160 ever, outside of maybe a handful of months done bullet journaling 172 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,120 aligned with the original method. 173 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,840 Like there have been elements that I certainly took from it 174 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,920 and terminology in particular that I've taken from it. 175 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,440 But I think that overall as like the system and the practice and 176 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,120 that kind of a thing, I would definitely say that there has 177 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,920 not really been a section of my planning journey that I was a 178 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,400 like bullet journal purist. I mean, early on I was, I think 179 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,720 that's also why I ended up getting the, the, the 180 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Lloydstrom, right? Like that notebook is what 181 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,560 everyone used. And so you felt as if you 182 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,440 weren't actually bullet journaling unless you had their 183 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,640 notebook with their brand name on it. 184 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,000 And, and that was something that I found to be very interesting, 185 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,520 especially kind of growing up with the brand itself and like 186 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,600 learning more about it is, you know, bullet journal until 187 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,000 probably the past few years wasn't really a product. 188 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,320 I mean, it was a method, a product that gets how you think 189 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,440 about it, but it was just one of those things where you could 190 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,720 technically do it in anything. But for some reason, and they 191 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,800 did a great job of marketing it this way, like you wanted their 192 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,560 notebook, which was just another Dockrid notebook that you could 193 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:55,200 get anywhere, but it felt more official when it had their 194 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,080 branding on. It really made you feel like you 195 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,040 were like a part of something. But no, I would agree, I think 196 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,720 that in particular the fact that they have their own notebook. 197 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,160 Now I, I wonder what this has done in terms of their branding, 198 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,080 because so many people refer to Dockrid notebooks as bullet 199 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,800 journals, but they're, they're not, they are technically 200 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,760 different things. And I mean, you could 201 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,720 technically have something that was a bullet journal that is not 202 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,600 in a Dockrate notebook. Like you could have a lined 203 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,200 notebook that is a bullet journal because you're using the 204 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,240 bullet journal method and the system and all of that kind of 205 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,960 stuff in that notebook. So it's kind of like an interest 206 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,800 point, like the way that the term I suppose is being utilized 207 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,360 by the public versus the intention by the creator and all 208 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,480 of that kind of thing. Not getting into it right here 209 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,720 right now, but it is of interest to me. 210 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Yeah, that's a whole episode just on its own. 211 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,440 Even just recently I was in like a Staples or something and 212 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,640 Martha Stewart has like a package of like a planner and 213 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,360 stuff and it says Bullet Journal. 214 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,160 And I was like, oh, this the how is this allowed? 215 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,360 Because I mean, years ago bullet Journal proper was going after 216 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,120 people on Instagram that had Bullet Journal in their name. 217 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,080 Like how are you letting Martha Stewart do this? 218 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,120 But you know, Bullet Journal girly 69, you know, sharing her 219 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,440 stuff online isn't allowed to have that in her name, right? 220 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,760 Or whatever, You know, it might have been it just it kind of 221 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,080 blows my mind again, I need to stop there because we'll get 222 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,800 into this whole sidetrack about it future episode. 223 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,200 What's what's another trend for you, Jess, outside of the space? 224 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,800 Save us. Bullet girly 69. 225 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,520 I love it. I hope that handle's not taken 226 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,280 and if it is good for you. Bullet journal girly 69 But I 227 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,240 think the next trend for me or the one that kind of like 228 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,160 really, I was going to say punched me in the throat came to 229 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,320 mind is what I mean. The one that really came to mind 230 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,280 when we were talking about this episode is the idea of waterfall 231 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,760 tabs. I love waterfall tabs. 232 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,920 I love the way they look. I love the decorative element. 233 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,920 I like the kind of creativity that goes to designing the pages 234 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,440 because you've got a different amount of page real estate for 235 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,960 each of them. Now, if you don't know what 236 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,080 waterfall tabs are, first of all, they're not tabs. 237 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,480 It's a complete lie. I don't like the term, but it's 238 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,920 essentially like a series of subsequent pages in your 239 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,240 notebook where you've cut down certain portions of the page to 240 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,040 kind of get this waterfall or this kind of like staggered 241 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,080 edge. So the first page you cut down 242 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,680 the most, it's going to be the narrowest. 243 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,840 The next page you cut down just a little bit less, so there's 244 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,520 technically more of the page there. 245 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,640 And then the next one, you've got a little more of the page 246 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,600 there. So on and so forth. 247 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,640 For however many pages you're using, typically speaking, 248 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,600 people will do this for like maybe a main set up in their 249 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,880 monthly kind of set up that they're doing. 250 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,760 So you've got a decent chunk of pages. 251 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,080 So you can really see like that staggered edge. 252 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,480 And typically the staggered edge will then be lined with 253 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,520 something like washi tape or maybe colored in or something 254 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,400 like that. And people do some super 255 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,080 gorgeous and creative things with this. 256 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,400 So not only just using different tape selections or whatever so 257 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,120 that you get like a really cool color palette going, but also 258 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,640 building it into some kind of other decoration. 259 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,080 One in particular that I've seen who've been like waves at the 260 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,680 beach. So they have, you know, the 261 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:54,960 series, so this kind of staggered edge and then each of 262 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,320 them is done in a different shade of blue so that you get 263 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,800 that gradient so that you can kind of see the beach waves. 264 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,800 It's so cool. So it is definitely something I 265 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,240 have done before, but I also find that it does work better in 266 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,200 particular notebooks, like if you're using a traveler size 267 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,800 notebook, that's not going to be great in terms of page real 268 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,440 estate leftover if you start cutting away horizontally on 269 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,600 your page. Whereas something like a square 270 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,480 or AB 5, like you can technically get away with it in 271 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,200 an A5 as well, But you just need to be mindful of how much real 272 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,280 estate you use and how much like you have left on the page so 273 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,760 that you can actually do your planning and keep your plan of 274 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,720 being functional. But it is one that I love. 275 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,120 I think it's gorgeous. I wouldn't not necessarily say 276 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,240 I'd like, you know, sad that I fell into this trend, but I do 277 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,040 feel like sometimes I just did it for the trend itself, not for 278 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,360 any particular like functional reason. 279 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,000 Yeah, that is interesting to think through it. 280 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,400 I mean, you were the first one that really introduced me to 281 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,880 that idea of them. I think most planner pals know. 282 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,400 And if you're never listened before, I'm not a big fan of 283 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,080 this because I don't like to cut pages in my journal like I I'm 284 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,960 more of a folded over kind of guy. 285 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,840 But it does look really nice. I think that that's definitely 286 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,960 something that I can appreciate about the the waterfall tabs and 287 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,000 how it's used. I know they are and can be 288 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,600 functional tabs as well. I just think as I've shared 289 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,800 before, it's just one of those things that just is like not 290 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,640 totally worth it for me. You know, I might do like a tab 291 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,600 or something like that, but I also have like stationary that 292 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,920 you can add inside of your notebook that adds those tabs. 293 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,360 So I don't have to do it with paper and cut things away. 294 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:29,240 And you make a great point. And something that that is I 295 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,600 think a really good one overall too, is like you kind of have to 296 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,440 have the space for it to work if you're going to have the 297 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,600 waterfall tabs and be able to see what's behind each piece. 298 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,520 I mean that the first page, you know, not a whole lot 299 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,800 necessarily to write on, you know, as you get into it and if 300 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,960 further back you go. So I think for me that's the 301 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,520 other reason that I don't necessarily love it or wouldn't 302 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:52,720 again, has never been a trend for me is because I'm just not 303 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,560 likely to do that because I'm just like, no, every inch of my 304 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:59,000 planner needs to have the option to use it. 305 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,400 Even if I may not use it right or I might not fill it all out. 306 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,960 I want to have that there just in case. 307 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,840 Yeah, and I do find that depending on how you like to do 308 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,920 your setups and such, it can also be something that kind of 309 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,720 almost gets in the way of the functionality. 310 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,320 So for instance, when it comes to doing my monthly setups or 311 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,160 cyclic setups or whatever, the first thing that I like to have 312 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,120 is a calendar grid. And typically that will take up 313 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,320 a decent chunk of a full spread. So if I'm then cutting away part 314 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,360 of a page, it's like, OK, cool. You're either going to have 315 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,440 really tiny waterfall tabs down the side or you're going to have 316 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,160 to put the calendar at the back of the setup rather than the 317 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,720 front. But it kind of makes the most 318 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,400 sense at the front, at least for me. 319 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,520 So it's kind of like a balancing act between the decorative stuff 320 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,080 and making it pretty and having that kind of like, yeah, I get 321 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,200 to live in my FOMO moment versus having something that's like 322 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,840 actually going to be functional for you. 323 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,440 I also find that in terms of waterfall tabs as a functional 324 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,960 thing because some people say like, oh, you know, it helps me 325 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,600 navigate in my notebook, which is fair because technically 326 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,760 speaking, from that very front spread, you can see that tabbed 327 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,080 edge and flip to any page. That's all good, but it only 328 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,880 works in One Direction because once you flip to that page, all 329 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,280 of the waterfall tabs from the first ones that are a lot 330 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,000 smaller, you can't see them anymore. 331 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,680 Whereas if you did something like a regular tab system, 332 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,280 either because you've cut down the side of the page and left a 333 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,120 little kind of like nubbin out the side or something, or maybe 334 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,760 you've gone and stuck tabs that do stick out the side of the 335 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,240 notebook. Which is not my personal 336 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,080 preference because then they just get in the way of things 337 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,000 and they get dirty and bent and whatever. 338 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,440 But some people like them. I feel like those are just more 339 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,840 functional though, because you can use them in both directions. 340 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,320 You don't just have to use them from the front and then as soon 341 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,480 as you turn to the page it's like they don't exist anymore. 342 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,200 It's definitely a more thought full way about going about it, 343 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,800 but I definitely understand the aesthetic and the interest and 344 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,440 the creativity behind it too. I mean, some of the things and 345 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,160 cutouts that I've seen when it comes to these types of journals 346 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,080 are absolutely amazing. Like you said, you've got the 347 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,000 waves I've seen want to say like keys almost like it. 348 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,840 It really makes your journal into like this really cool 349 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,520 design kind of functional thing, but but just look so special. 350 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,280 And that's I think a big part about the personalization side 351 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,840 of the journals too, and why I think so many people also have 352 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,520 gotten into those trends. Yeah, I think the 353 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,400 personalization aspect and like the kind of creative things that 354 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,520 you can really do to lean into a theme. 355 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,440 Absolutely gorgeous. So it's like, I understand why I 356 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,920 fell for it. I get it. 357 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,520 But I think it is one that I'm a little bit more mindful of now 358 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,520 because it's like, OK, you just doing this because it looks 359 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,360 cool, or are you doing this because it's actually going to 360 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,480 help you plan better or something like that? 361 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,640 But what would be your next one that you fell into? 362 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,440 Yeah, so I think my biggest one is behind me on the wall, and 363 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,600 that would be fountain pens. Oh, and also on my bookshelf and 364 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,280 two giant binders as well. And overall shelves on both 365 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,160 sides of me as well. I mean, I really went all into 366 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,480 this. I just remember seeing someone 367 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,640 write with Alami in their notebook and I thought that 368 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,680 looked so fancy and so cool. That scared me because I wasn't 369 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,240 sure what a fountain pen did exactly. 370 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,840 I think in my mind's eye it was this old stodgy thing that 371 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,840 leaked everywhere, you know, and that, you know, only certain 372 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,240 people could use it. And that was well before I found 373 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,760 modern fountain pens and kind of the beauty of them all and it 374 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,160 now look at me, you know, years later with quite the collection 375 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,760 of them. But this is definitely a trend 376 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,920 that I'm still on. That would be a very sad thing 377 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,319 to not be on this trend anymore after all these years. 378 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,760 I think for me, what I really loved about it, you know, from I 379 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,560 saw to what I'm doing now, is just really enjoying writing. 380 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,079 You know, we all have our favorite pens. 381 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:28,240 We've talked about some of our Planner essentials and past 382 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,880 episodes and definitely talked about our favorite pens and 383 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,800 tools that we've used. The fountain pen to me is just 384 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,720 like another level of personalization. 385 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,560 It's how am I feeling this week? You know, am I feeling extra 386 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,480 glittery? Am I feeling expensive? 387 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,240 Am I feeling, you know, cheap? Get the work done. 388 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,440 And then being able to mix that with fountain pen ink and all of 389 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,400 the different colors and combinations that you can make 390 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,320 out of the kind of those two things together really get me 391 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:53,800 excited to write inside of my journal. 392 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,240 Like I really look forward to pop and open a pen and writing 393 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,160 with it and seeing what the ink looks like on the pages I write 394 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,000 with it. And really just kind of came 395 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,440 down to like a handful of people at first, but then now that I'm 396 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,640 like really in it, I'm following more people who are also in the 397 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,200 fountain pen. So I just see it, you know, 3-5 398 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,800 times what it was before and it makes me really happy. 399 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,720 It feels like you're part of a little community. 400 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,560 It's probably a pretty big community, but just seeing how 401 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,720 different people use them, what they do with them, it's always 402 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,800 been very cool to me. So I'm glad I hopped on this 403 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,920 trend. I'm glad I'm still a part of it, 404 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,280 and I'm glad that I'm also helping and hopefully inspiring 405 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,080 other people to use fountain pens as well, because it's a lot 406 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,680 of fun. No, I am definitely marked safe 407 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,600 from this trend, but I am so glad that you are carrying it 408 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,000 for both of us. I do. 409 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,640 Do you have a video walking through your entire collection? 410 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,960 I did a video a while, maybe a year or so ago, yeah, where I 411 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,280 walked through kind of everything. 412 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,120 It's definitely grown since then, but yeah, I've kind of 413 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:54,200 talked about all different ones, price points and things along 414 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,360 that line just to let people know. 415 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,960 Like there is kind of a different approach to it 416 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,760 depending on what you want and what you need from it. 417 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:01,960 So. So yeah. 418 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:05,200 No, I think that I wish that I loved anything as much as you 419 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,720 seem to love fountain pens, I swear. 420 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,640 But I do. I understand what you mean 421 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,680 though, about like, you know, getting to have not only the 422 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,440 different kind of pen itself and its design and the nib size and 423 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,400 the nib type and all of those kind of things, and then pairing 424 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,520 that with a particular in colour and you know, whether it has the 425 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,640 shimmer or the glitter or like whatever else and such. 426 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:27,400 That personalization aspect is really enticing. 427 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,800 I can understand that. Again, I'm still marked safe 428 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,960 from it because I'm just going to be over here using my mark on 429 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,000 like this is fine. But I do appreciate that it can 430 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,480 kind of help you. Like, you know, side note, I'm 431 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,840 very much into this idea of romanticizing life right now and 432 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,000 just like making the mundane feel fancy. 433 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,760 And I feel like fountain pens are like right in there like 434 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,400 they are. They've set up a tent, they're 435 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,760 part of the camp. All right. 436 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,720 I think that you're being able to make your writing feel 437 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,440 special in that way. There is something very 438 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,360 appealing about it. Yeah, there totally is. 439 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:58,280 I think that's really what got me into it as well. 440 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,960 I mean, I got into it with just regular black ink because I 441 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,480 thought it looked so nice and so fancy. 442 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,320 And then, yeah, you start to get deeper and deeper. 443 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,360 And now I'm so addicted to finding different types of inks. 444 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,640 And there's a lot of stores too that will organize them by the 445 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,200 effect that you're trying to get. 446 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,600 So if you are looking for a shimmer ink, you know, they'll 447 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,480 kind of organize their site by that. 448 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,720 My favorite are like high. Shading inks. 449 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,200 And so that's like as you're writing with it, like it kind of 450 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,920 pools in certain parts. So your, your letters have this 451 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,400 really cool different gradient to it depending how the ink is 452 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,640 drying or how light or how dark it is. 453 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,000 And that's kind of that romanticizing part of it. 454 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 You know, after I finish my weekly and I look back on that, 455 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,040 it just has so much character in the letters. 456 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,080 I'm just writing down notes and tasks for work. 457 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,080 I'm not writing poems or love letters or anything like that. 458 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,560 I'm literally like, e-mail this person about this project. 459 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,760 Don't forget to, you know, submit your timesheet, you know, 460 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,040 But I love the way those look on the page. 461 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,280 And so I think that's really kind of the big part of it. 462 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,040 It's just kind of grown and grown and grown where at first 463 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,000 it was literally just black ink Lamy pen and then now it's like 464 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,680 this giant collection with way too many inks. 465 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,040 Yeah, I do think it helps to make the mundane feel more 466 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,480 special. And I like that point that you 467 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,520 had about what was it, the shading inks or whatnot. 468 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,440 Because I have long been the type of person who is like, I 469 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,000 want the blackest of black ink. If there is like any 470 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,560 imperfection, if there's any kind of like gradient or shading 471 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,240 or whatnot. No, that pen is dead to me. 472 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,640 I do not want it. But then you gave me Iris and 473 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,480 TikTok Croc. I find does that, or at least 474 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,640 the way that I was writing did that. 475 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,200 And I'm like, oh, oh, look at you with your little like 476 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,520 inconsistencies looking so fanciful. 477 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,400 We love that for her. Iris now actually has black in 478 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,400 her, though she's good. She actually got filled up. 479 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,680 So this is what the platinum carbon something or other, I 480 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,120 don't remember what it's called. It's yeah, it's black. 481 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,920 So this is good. I like this. 482 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,800 I write with this, but my other two fountain pens that I have 483 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,720 because I have 3 now look at her go. 484 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,240 She hasn't filled up the other two yet. 485 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,040 I have my problem is that I fill them up and then I don't want to 486 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,360 waste the ink even though there's not a whole lot inside 487 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:05,480 of the the converters. I know that but so right now I 488 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,560 have 1234. I have 5 pens that have ink in 489 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,080 them from the past five weeks, but that I'm using a totally 490 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,600 different pen right now that just has like regular black ink 491 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,480 in it. So it's those things where it's 492 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,720 like, I love to write with them, but then I'm like, well, I've 493 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,480 moved on from that color and that, you know, theme and that 494 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,400 thing for the week. Like one of my pens has like 495 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,640 it's called blood Fall is the name of it. 496 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,560 So it's this very like iron red, brownish kind of color. 497 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,520 And it looked good for that week and kind of how I decorated my 498 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,080 page and the pen itself. But like, I wouldn't write a 499 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,480 note with that because probably a look at that be like, EW, this 500 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,440 looks disgusting. Why are you writing with this 501 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,040 color? Like it's one thing to write 502 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,400 with blue, but now we're writing with blood, rust, orange, red. 503 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,240 You know, yeah, I think that's the thing that I also fine with 504 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,600 fountain pens and like, inks in particular, I love the way they 505 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,200 look when they're swatched out. I love the little ink bottles. 506 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,200 I think they're absolutely gorgeous and cute and just like, 507 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,080 wow, I can very much take that like, you know, Pokémon Go to 508 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,560 catch a ball, kind of like mindset to it if I was not 509 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,480 careful. But at the end of the day, I do 510 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,040 just prefer to write with black ink on paper and be like, yeah, 511 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,920 easy. Everything is consistent, 512 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,560 especially if it's a pen that I can just pick up and go with. 513 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,920 I know that when you fill them up, they last a long time. 514 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,800 Iris has definitely proven that to me. 515 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,040 But I'm also like getting messy fingers, the heebie jeebies. 516 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,640 Oh my gosh. So I'll let this be your trend 517 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,640 and I'll just be on the sidelines. 518 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,000 Like whoo go Mark. Well, what can I cheer you on 519 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,680 next, Jess? What's your next follow up 520 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,560 trend? I don't know if this is what we 521 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,160 should be cheering for, but there's definitely one that I 522 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,480 fell into. Oh, and I think that this one 523 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,120 actually is kind of like A2 parter. 524 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,880 There's like 2 kind of aspects to this that in my mind, I see 525 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,600 them as separate trends, but they do feed into each other. 526 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:43,480 So first one first, I think that over time, I kind of fell into 527 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,320 this mindset after seeing other people and or they were doing in 528 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,960 particular of this kind of more is more decoration and the idea 529 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,000 of like, how can we bring even more decorative elements into 530 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,520 something to effectively turn each set up into a little work 531 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,080 of art. Now, I'm not out here spending 532 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,400 three weeks doing a pencil drawing for a cover page. 533 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,680 Some people are and it's great and I love that for them. 534 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,120 And if that's how you want to use your creativity, more power 535 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,240 to you. But I did find that like the 536 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,200 time required or the time that I felt was required to pre plan my 537 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,960 plans before I put them into my planner so that I could execute 538 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,480 on my plans and get my plans done was ludicrous. 539 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,800 Like I was spending several hours figuring out how I was 540 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,120 going to set up a page or how I was going to bring together a 541 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,160 theme or how I was going to have everything laid out, which was 542 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,400 good in a way that I was thinking about it because then 543 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,160 it's like, OK, well, once you actually get it into your 544 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,720 planner, it's going to work really well for you. 545 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,520 But it also meant that I felt like I couldn't put anything 546 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,000 else in there without doing the same level of rethought, which 547 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,640 kind of helped me back from putting things into my planner. 548 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,840 And part of this was that war is more style of decoration. 549 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,760 So figuring out like, you know, how to marry everything together 550 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,920 in such a way that it was functional and decorative. 551 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,640 So that was one part of it. But the other part of this was 552 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,960 that when you're trying to bring a whole bunch of decoration into 553 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,920 your layouts with that more is more mindset, you are so at risk 554 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:03,360 of falling into the overconsumption pit of planning. 555 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:08,000 And I do feel like for some people, consumption and the the 556 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,400 buying of suppliers, and I know that like we joke about this as 557 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,800 a community, it's like, Oh yeah, buying supplies is a separate 558 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,960 hobby to actually using the suppliers, haha. 559 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,960 Is it though? Like, because at the end of the 560 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,360 day, I have way more fun using the stuff than I do acquiring 561 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,760 the stuff. And acquiring the stuff just 562 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,400 gives me like, you know, more money, more problems, kind of a 563 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,200 thing. Like if I have too much stuff, 564 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,800 then it's like, cool, now I have to do a whole bunch of like 565 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,280 admin work to manage the stuff, make sure that the stuff isn't 566 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,120 going bad, make sure that I'm using the stuff. 567 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,000 Like obviously depends on what kind of stuff we're talking 568 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000 about here. But washi tape goes bad. 569 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,440 Like eventually the stickiness fades, stickers go bad. 570 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Eventually they fuse to the sticker sheet and you can't get 571 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,320 them off anymore. Ask me how I know. 572 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,320 So I just found that like I was in this mindset of like, oh, 573 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,640 everything needs to be new. Everything needs to be fresh. 574 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,680 You can't do a theme you've already done before because we 575 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,000 need to have novelty. Otherwise you won't like it. 576 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,760 And that's not actually the case. 577 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,040 Like some of my favorite themes I would definitely do again 578 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,240 using supplies I still have because I loved the theme so 579 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,520 much the first time. So it's like getting myself into 580 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,960 this headspace of like constantly acquiring and 581 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,880 constantly needing to get more and such. 582 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,640 But then pairing that with my, oh, got to hold it like a 583 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,480 dragon. Every sticker is precious kind 584 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,520 of mindset. It's like this is these are two 585 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,720 conflicting mindsets that do not work well together. 586 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,400 It's like, yeah, I've got to bring in more stuff, but also 587 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,360 I'm not allowed to use the stuff because if I use the stuff and 588 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,160 the stuff is gone. So definitely fell victim to 589 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,440 that one. Wasn't great for me. 590 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,200 I mean, I have a respect for that type of planning. 591 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960 I mean, after our conversation with Aaron and her sharing a lot 592 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,720 of her insights about how she does it, I was able to like walk 593 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,560 away from that conversation and that episode feeling really 594 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,280 confident and like taking on some of those pieces. 595 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,400 I think for me, and this is definitely, you know, like we 596 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,200 just said, like the this is your trend and this is your thing. 597 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,640 I have no need necessarily to fall into this. 598 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,200 I have bits and pieces and mostly when it comes to like 599 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,640 washi tape or paper scraps or whatever that is, but I'm not 600 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,240 really putting them together. Often they're there. 601 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,120 Sometimes I will think about it, but it doesn't mean that like 602 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,480 I'm actively doing that. And I think for me it's mostly 603 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,480 just out of not being comfortable with it. 604 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,000 Like we talked in that episode with Aaron is like, I just, I 605 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,160 don't feel like I have the skill set necessarily to do it. 606 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,280 So for me, I don't worry too much about really adding a lot 607 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,880 of that inside of my journal. And I don't really have a drive 608 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,760 or a want to. Every now and again I'll get 609 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,280 like a little like, oh, I should do something a little bit extra 610 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,520 this week. I had some extra time or I saw 611 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,200 something online and I'm like, oh, I have to do this. 612 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,680 But I think once I really get into it, though, I just have 613 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,520 kind of almost like an adverse reaction because it looked 614 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,600 really great when it was odd on my phone in my hand looking at 615 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,960 it. It does not look so great inside 616 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,680 of my notebook right now. And they're like, I'm mad at 617 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,000 myself about that. Yeah. 618 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,440 I kind of got into this space of really needing to consider, am I 619 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,800 changing my planning to accommodate decoration or am I 620 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,120 using decoration to embellish my planning? 621 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,680 And that second one is really what I kind of wanted to be 622 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,680 doing, but I found myself very much in the first camp. 623 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,000 So it's like, yeah, we've kind of changed the way you go about 624 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,440 doing your planning just so that you can accommodate these 625 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,120 decorative elements rather than using it as a way to kind of 626 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:13,240 like, make planning fun and incentivize you to get in there. 627 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,800 Because I know I'm the kind of person who needs to have at 628 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,200 least some decoration so that it is fun and it is enjoyable, and 629 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,680 I'm more likely to get in and actually use it and get stuff 630 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,000 done. But I need to make sure that I'm 631 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,360 not like falling into that other side where it's like cool 632 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,320 decoration first, functionality second, kind of a thing. 633 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,600 Yeah, I think that many of us have stumbled on that when we've 634 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,600 tried the trend and we saw something online and then, yeah, 635 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,960 you're done and you're like, and where do I right, Because this 636 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,600 thing is just covered with photos and pictures and tapes 637 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,280 and stickers and everything else. 638 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,880 And you left yourself like a 5 by 5 square to write your entire 639 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,080 week's To Do List. Like it doesn't work out that 640 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,840 way. Obviously that's a very extreme 641 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,920 thing, but I've been there before where I was like, oh, 642 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,640 decoration, all these things. Then I go to like write in my 643 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,320 notes and I can barely fit like a full thought in a column. 644 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,160 And suddenly my Monday through Friday, you know, dated column 645 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,600 where I was like, oh, I'll just do daily logging in the column. 646 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,960 I'm already on Wednesday. It's not the end of the day on 647 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,200 Monday yet. You know, it's just like I focus 648 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,480 so much on the planning, the layout, the different pieces 649 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,600 that I'm completely forgetting about the actual like my 650 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,920 personal user experience of that page because I went a little too 651 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,120 far to the decorating. So I feel you on that one. 652 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,520 Yeah. And I think that you can kind of 653 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,200 have a similar thing when you see something online, you really 654 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,160 like the style of it or the look of it or whatever. 655 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,960 So you try and recreate it in your own planner or your own 656 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,440 journal and then realize it's like, oh, actually this is just 657 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,120 not aligned with how I plan. I found that in particular 658 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,320 dealer with certain horizontal layouts because I feel like a 659 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,960 horizontal layout does usually lend itself well to certain 660 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,600 types of decoration and the layouts end up looking so damn 661 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,520 cute. But I'm the type of person who 662 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,400 likes a long ass list. Like I need a full column of 663 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120 space per day because I'd be writing every single tiny 664 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,920 granular task that I need to get done. 665 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,320 Because that's the kind of thing that makes me feel like I have 666 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,360 my stuff together. And it makes me feel like my 667 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,480 mind isn't like a noodle mess because I've actually gotten the 668 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,480 thoughts out of there onto paper so that I can prioritize them 669 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,120 and make sense of them and all of those kind of things. 670 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,640 What would be your next one? So my next trend is very, very 671 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,360 new to me. I just had someone on YouTube 672 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,760 tell me that I'm not doing this even though I'm calling it, but 673 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,520 that would be junk journaling. I'm a very specific type of junk 674 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,600 journaler. And this was a trend that I saw 675 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,200 online where people were using the stamp punch out paper punch 676 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,080 and stamping out papers and things for magazines and cards 677 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,800 and then, you know, collecting them essentially inside of a 678 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,160 notebook. So I started doing that because 679 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,320 I really love of aesthetically how it looks and I've just been 680 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,240 like all in on it for, I wouldn't say maybe a little over 681 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,320 a month now, I've created several different pages that I'm 682 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,840 very proud of with it. And I think what I like about 683 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,920 it, it's almost the opposite of what you were just sharing 684 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,520 about, like feeling as if like, you know, you've decorated a lot 685 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,840 and now you're not able to kind of fit the functionality in 686 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,000 there. What I love about it is that it 687 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,320 doesn't need to be functional at all For me. 688 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,120 The way that I'm utilizing it is very much just straight creative 689 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,680 creativity. It's, you know, creating themes 690 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,920 out of different little pieces of paper that I have. 691 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,760 It's, you know, really, you know, putting a story together 692 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,960 in some cases or trying to match colors and patterns or not try 693 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,320 to match them at all. And I've been having so much fun 694 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,560 with it. And that's why I like, I get a 695 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,560 little, you know, iffy when someone tries to tell me that 696 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,160 I'm not doing it right. It reminds me very much like 697 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,880 having flashbacks of when I started bullet journaling and 698 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,040 someone's like, oh, that's not how you bullet journal. 699 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,840 Like if someone's telling you that junk journaling has no 700 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,880 rules and you can do whatever you want, then why are you 701 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,960 telling me that the way that I'm doing it is not junk journaling? 702 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,480 But I think mostly it comes from just the spot of like a lot of 703 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,600 junk journalers. And if you're not familiar with 704 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,680 junk journaling, it's really just take, it's called junk 705 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,600 because you're really finding paper scraps and ephemera and 706 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,880 like different things like that and kind of collaging it 707 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,200 together on a page. Maybe because mine is lined up 708 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,760 on a straight line and it has a a specific theme with the 709 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,240 stamps. Maybe that's why some people 710 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,720 feel like it's not junk journaling. 711 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,040 But to me it is. And I absolutely love it. 712 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,480 And it's something that I also don't feel this like desire 713 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,720 necessarily to make sure I have to keep up with it every single 714 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,480 day. It's just like a creative 715 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,920 exercise I can do when I want to. 716 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,560 Yeah, I also, you know, hearing this, this person saying it's 717 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,480 not junk journaling. I feel like it's just a really 718 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960 good time to highlight the fact that like, just because you have 719 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,560 a thought doesn't mean you have to share it. 720 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,680 Because I also, you know, outing myself here or whatever. 721 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,200 I saw your video about junk journaling and I did have a 722 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,240 moment. I'm like, does that actually 723 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,680 count? Like, is that junk journaling? 724 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,360 And then second thought was just who the fuck cares? 725 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,000 Like, why does it matter? You know, if I'm out here saying 726 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,160 that I'm not the bullet journal police and like, I don't care if 727 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,000 you're like, you know, carving your notes into freaking like a 728 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920 Tabernacle or whatever, then why do I care whether Mark calls a 729 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,480 junk journaling? But also where we have like, you 730 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,720 know, this very specific picture in mind when it comes to certain 731 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,640 things like junk journaling and particular, I just assume that 732 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,440 this person, and probably me to an extent, has this very 733 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,880 particular image in their mind as to what drunk journaling 734 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,720 looks like when it's finished. And that doesn't necessarily 735 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,080 align with what you're doing, but that doesn't mean that what 736 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,440 you're doing isn't junk journaling. 737 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,000 Yeah, I'm literally making art with junk. 738 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,400 Like I have a video over on my YouTube that I took one of the 739 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,040 value pack ad envelopes and literally punched things out of 740 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,800 that to create a page. It is interesting. 741 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,760 I mean, I totally get it because I mean, in my mind, what I like 742 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,760 the part that makes me feel comfortable about the way that 743 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,720 I'm doing it is that there is some structure to it because I 744 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,360 don't feel confident enough to create something that's not 745 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,760 structured. So being able to, you know, 746 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,520 punch out something that's in the shape of a stamp and line 747 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,200 that up on a horizontal line and, and have even space in 748 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,480 between each of those on a page like that makes me feel 749 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,240 comfortable. That makes me feel good. 750 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,560 Like, again, I'm excited at the end of it to, to be finished 751 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,480 with it. It's similar to like when I do 752 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,800 like the stamping radial patterns and stuff like that, 753 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,720 that's just something that I like to do and someone would be 754 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,840 like, that's a Mandela or whatever those things are 755 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,840 called. I'm like maybe, but I call it a 756 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,239 radial stamp pattern. Like again, who cares? 757 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,520 And I think also it's like similar things can have 758 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,560 different names because technically speaking, like, 759 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,239 yeah, it is a radial stamp patent because it's radial and 760 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,800 you did with stamps. Like that makes sense. 761 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,719 It's just a descriptive name. And in a similar way, a mandala 762 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,639 is kind of radial and has a repeating patent or whatever 763 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,560 else. They can be similar but have 764 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,880 different names. That is fine. 765 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,719 And you can also have it that things that look completely 766 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,760 different also fall under the same umbrella term because junk 767 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,679 journaling, if we take it at face value, is like, OK, 768 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,120 journaling with junk. That's what you're doing. 769 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,159 You've just given yourself some guard or some guidelines to help 770 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,280 make it approachable. And I think that that's a great 771 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,120 thing to do. Like especially when creativity 772 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,440 can be so open-ended and can be so scary because of it. 773 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,000 It's nice to have that in for people by giving them some kind 774 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,920 of structure or guidelines around something that makes them 775 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,200 feel more comfortable. So me and other Nelly naysayer, 776 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,880 you don't, You don't pay us 2 minds. 777 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,880 It's all good. You do what you're doing, Mark. 778 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,680 And I'm having so much fun. Exactly all. 779 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,120 Right. Jess, what's your next big trend 780 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,000 that you're on? So this one, I feel like I've 781 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600 actually come through the other side of, or at least I'm slowly 782 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,360 getting there. And this would be the trend of 783 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,280 the fat planner stack, you know, where people have at the end of 784 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,440 the video like this is my planner stack or what they're 785 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,520 now calling their planner ecosystem. 786 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,880 I can't. Oh I very much. 787 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,360 I prefer ecosystem over like planner stack personally. 788 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,400 But I'm like, it's not an ecosystem. 789 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,360 There's no ecology anywhere to be seen. 790 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,080 OK. Please like somebody who knows 791 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,480 the is it etymology? It's not entomology. 792 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,920 Somebody who knows the history of the word ecosystem, please, 793 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,240 like hit us up in the comments and let me know what it actually 794 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,760 means and where it came from. But in my mind, I'm like your 795 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,200 fleet of notebooks or journals or planners is not an ecosystem. 796 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,640 Like sure, things can work together and stuff, but I'm 797 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,040 like, it doesn't feel very eco. Anyway, that aside, the trend 798 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,680 itself, the idea of having multiple planners in your stack 799 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,680 of planners or multiple journals or notebooks or whatnot, 800 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,360 definitely one that I fell victim to. 801 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,960 And I feel like in particular for me, this was because 802 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,640 previously made a lot of content about planners and journals and 803 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,720 notebooks. So it's like, OK, well, we have 804 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:19,040 this way to like, you know, justify the amount that I had is 805 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,600 probably the best way to word it because it's like the more you 806 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,120 have, the more content you can make. 807 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,440 The more content you can make, the more like valuable your 808 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,160 channel is very kind of like cumulative causation. 809 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,040 It's like, Oh yeah, we'd get more notebooks so we can make 810 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,280 more video about notebooks, but we want to make more videos so 811 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,920 that we get more notebooks, yada, yada, yada. 812 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,280 And in a way, I do appreciate that I fell into this trend 813 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,040 because it just helped me fast track my learning about what 814 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,640 works for me as a planner and what doesn't. 815 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,560 You know, which parts do make sense to have separate from 816 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,280 others, which parts need their own space versus the ones that 817 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,880 don't, which parts can be combined, which parts can be 818 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,280 done in a different size or style or whatever else. 819 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,680 But I also think that it, you know, going back to that last 820 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,400 trend of the overconsumption and such, this was also used to 821 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,880 justify the accumulation of notebooks, of which I have quite 822 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,720 a few now. I've gotten better, though. 823 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,480 I did a big declutter. I got rid of over 100, and I 824 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,000 don't mean got rid of a like went down and burnt them in a 825 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,080 fire pit or something. They've all gone to new homes 826 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,160 now. But I do think that it's 827 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,120 interesting that you can have a trend where you kind of like 828 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,520 regret falling into it, but at the same time you very much 829 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,240 value what you got out of it or what you learned on the other 830 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,800 side. Yeah, I think there shouldn't be 831 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,520 any shame or or feeling a failure if you didn't keep up 832 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,920 with something. I think that's the whole part 833 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,640 about experimenting with our planners and our materials and 834 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,640 things like that. I mean, even going back to like 835 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,280 the junk journaling thing, it's like maybe the way that I'm 836 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,160 doing it is just the gateway drug to eventually creating 837 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,200 something more, you know, stereotypical junk journaling 838 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,640 pages, right? Like I have all the stuff to do 839 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:47,880 it. It. 840 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,440 It's just about like how you're putting together kind of in your 841 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,560 same way. I mean, I think the reason that 842 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,080 people call it an ecosystem is just because in that case, and 843 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,640 hopefully it's the right way, it's elements that are working 844 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,720 together to kind of create a sphere of a thing like, yes, 845 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,840 ecosystem and all of that is very much based out of like 846 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,560 nature and stuff like that. But the whole idea of it really 847 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,720 kind of like integrating with each other, working together to 848 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,240 create it. That's why I like the like the 849 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,920 the idea of a planner ecosystem versus the the stack because the 850 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,120 stack to me is almost just like a collection of all the 851 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,480 different planners that people use together versus the 852 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,480 ecosystem. You can see essentially having 853 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,240 multiple notebooks that are there to try to accomplish a 854 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,200 similar goal or to compartmentalize one's life, but 855 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,360 it's still kind of is contributing to the larger one 856 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,320 person, right, that's utilizing that. 857 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,400 I think that the thing that gets me about the term itself is the 858 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,120 eco part, because in my, you know, mind eco, ecological 859 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,680 living things, some people could argue like, Oh yeah, my plan is 860 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,320 a living document kind of a thing. 861 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,760 But I'm like, just call it a system. 862 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,640 Then it could be your plan, a system. 863 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,960 I would have no qualms with that term because I feel like there's 864 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,880 no way that I could fight it. And I don't think I would 865 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,360 because I feel like that just makes more sense. 866 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,480 But as he was saying. No, I mean, it's a it's an 867 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,960 important part. I think if you're taking it 868 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,640 literally, it's the water interacting with the soil and 869 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,680 then the soil interacting with the sun that interacts with the 870 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,320 flowers, right? That like creates the ecosystem. 871 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,760 Like I totally get the sign. It's the science nerd inside of 872 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,240 you that can't let go of that, right? 873 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,800 But like from a big piece like I call like the Applesphere, 874 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,560 right? The idea of all of the Apple 875 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,560 products working together in some way, shape or form, right? 876 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,200 I'm like, oh, you're 100% inside the Apple sphere when like you 877 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,640 have the iPad and the laptop and the phone and you know, like you 878 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,920 have all of those things and they all work together. 879 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,680 I think that's kind of a similar type idea here. 880 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,800 So maybe it's like a planner sphere instead of ecosystem, 881 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,200 right? It's just the idea that it's 882 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,840 all-encompassing as a part of like a goal or end. 883 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,000 But I though similar to the kind of what we were just saying 884 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,520 though, like I think it's probably not that important to 885 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,720 really differentiate between it. But like a planner stack, like I 886 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,840 said before, is just all the different things that you're 887 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,400 using together. I don't know that necessarily 888 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,480 they're all working together. They might, like I said, just be 889 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,640 like different parts of your life that you're bringing out of 890 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,720 there. But I'm the type of person like 891 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,000 I've never fallen into that because I think the most that 892 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,600 I've ever like had of a stack was like 2. 893 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,440 Maybe 3 at a time and that was just way too much. 894 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,520 I'm like, I can't, I can't, I couldn't do it with two When I 895 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,200 tried to have like work and and life separate. 896 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,640 I, I didn't like even for the podcast. 897 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,880 I created a whole notebook just for this podcast and I don't use 898 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,440 it anymore because I don't put things there like I would write 899 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,080 it on, you know, like one of my like cards or something like 900 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,960 that. Instead, it doesn't really fit 901 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,200 its purpose now. So like I don't need to add 902 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,840 another one to my one journal that I have now essentially. 903 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,200 So I mean, I feel lucky on this one too because I mean, well, 904 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,280 no, no, I'm a liar because I also now do have that like new 905 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,040 like trifle Jenny BIC one that I'm using for my junk 906 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,680 journaling, which eventually will hold an A5 size Archer out 907 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,600 of notebook for my next journal. So like technically it's a 908 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,520 stack. It's 3 notebooks that are just 909 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,040 held together with some elastic but I think. 910 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,040 It counts. It's just like a mini stack 911 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,320 because what? In mine, I used to have the 912 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,960 everyday journal, the yearly collections journal, the long 913 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,360 term collections journal, the reading journal, the notes book 914 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,800 for like personal learning, the R&D notebook, the five year 915 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,880 notebook. I had the scribble book, the 916 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,080 brainstorming book. That probably more so like my 917 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,400 stack was like 9. And technically speaking, they 918 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,680 did all have separate functions. But it got to a point where it's 919 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,120 like, will I actually think to go back and check in with this? 920 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,040 Is this the natural place to go check for that information? 921 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,520 Does this align with how I actually want to do my planning 922 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,640 anymore? So technically speaking, I do 923 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,640 still have a stack. Currently I have the everyday 924 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,920 journal, I have the five year journal, I have the reading 925 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,360 journal, and I have a goal planner and a scribble book 926 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,160 because we love a scribble book. But the rest of them I've either 927 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,320 moved into Notion or I just do on scrap paper. 928 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,720 It didn't need a notebook for it. 929 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,400 So I think that going from like 9 down to five, that's pretty 930 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,480 good. I was going to say going from 931 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,360 9:00 to 5:00, then I'm like Dolly Parton pops up. 932 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,120 What a way to make a living anyways. 933 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,920 I love it. I love Dolly. 934 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,640 That was like one of the very first movies I ever saw and I 935 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,160 was like, this is a great movie. And then I love the song too. 936 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,840 So perfection I love. It didn't even know it was a 937 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,040 movie. So I feel like I learned to 938 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,880 think today. But what's your next trend? 939 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,480 So I would say like my final trend that I kind of, well, not 940 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,880 kind of that I really got into is stamping inside of my bullet 941 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,080 journal for functional reasons, but that has of course morphed 942 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,520 into more designed elements as well. 943 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,080 I remember seeing, and I cannot remember her name, she was in 944 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,440 one of those Instagram pods that we were a part of and she used 945 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,440 to stamp her notebook pages like exclusively. 946 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,040 And she did so good, like ridiculously good. 947 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,560 And I was like, well, if she can do it, I can do it. 948 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,600 And I started to dabble. And that is really where I 949 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,120 started to waterfall because when I realized that I could 950 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,400 essentially almost like create like a printed page in a way 951 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,840 utilizing stamps. I got the absolute perfect 952 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,400 lettering, lines, elements. I didn't have to draw anything, 953 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,480 but it was still ink on paper. And that made me feel really 954 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,920 good about myself. Like that is just how it all 955 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,240 started. I think that was it. 956 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:26,280 Ashton plans. Yes. 957 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,440 Her stamping stuff made me like gave me the cute aggression 958 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,520 because for the longest time I didn't realize they were stamps. 959 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,040 So I was like Oh my God you're drawing everything so perfectly 960 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,800 and it looks so good. And I loved the kind of like 961 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,120 clean and minimal look of her pages. 962 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,480 And I feel like she only ever really shared them before the 963 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,680 pen. God, that was so good looking. 964 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,440 Never afterwards. That's how people know what 965 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,520 you're doing. But gosh, it was so cute. 966 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,440 I had so many of her pictures saved in my Instagram save 967 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,880 folder for like, future inspiration that I just never 968 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,800 acted on. But obviously you did. 969 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,880 Yeah, I I'm into the extreme that I have, you know, 2 crates 970 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,720 filled with stamps now. And for me they really do kind 971 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:04,640 of fall. I would say probably 70% of them 972 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,520 are functional. Now do I need 5 different sets 973 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,680 that say Monday through Friday and Saturday and Sunday and 974 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,480 weekend? No, but I do I need the 975 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,640 different fonts. Yes. 976 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,920 You never know how I feel. Sometimes I feel like a serif, 977 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,040 sometimes I feel like a sans serif, but I also kind of see it 978 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,160 as like that stamp of creativity, pun intended there 979 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,920 though, like when someone like Carrie Bradford for instance, 980 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,120 you know, comes out with a new font or something like that 981 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,960 letters blocks that very much like a line with whatever I want 982 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,080 and what I like in my journal. I'm an instant buy everyday 983 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,080 explorers coat like they're another one that like literally 984 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,240 they just put out some of the coolest stamps. 985 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,440 They're really great quality and early on I didn't realize the 986 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,520 importance of that. Like I was just going to the art 987 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,480 store, the craft store and I still do it now. 988 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,760 Like, for instance, like I just got this stamp set here. 989 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,160 They're just drawn houses, right? 990 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,560 But like, I could I do this probably like if I really wanted 991 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,240 to, am I going to know because I just have the stamp and I can 992 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:03,400 just stamp it on my page. And so like now when I see those 993 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,720 things, like I'm like, oh, that's my style. 994 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:09,000 Like I would totally use this. I can almost envision how I'm 995 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,600 going to use it on my page versus back in the day, I would 996 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,880 just buy it just to buy it, be like, maybe I'll use it. 997 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,760 But I think that's just like the excitement of it. 998 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,240 And I've even come to the point now to Jess, because I know a 999 00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,360 lot of people don't like stamping because they see it as 1000 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,320 like advanced level, like Aaron was like stamping's advanced 1001 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,760 level crafting for me, I love and hate at the same time, like 1002 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,520 get a little extra ink on the page or like, you know, getting 1003 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,240 the extra little corner because you press too hard. 1004 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,120 Like I used to really hate that, but now I just accepted it 1005 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,000 because I know I can't get rid of it anyway. 1006 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160 But it just adds like a fun personality to the page. 1007 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,760 It really becomes a part of the stamping way. 1008 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,880 I don't know if that's the right way to put it, but I think 1009 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,360 that's why I really fell into the trend, really. 1010 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,440 Because like you said it, it looks nice and neat. 1011 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,400 It can be. And then I can go ahead and take 1012 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,240 that to the next level and like make an entire belligerental 1013 00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:58,920 page out of it and love what I'm working. 1014 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,160 With yeah, I think that if I ever got into stamping, I would 1015 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,880 be very much in camp, like way too anal about it. 1016 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,000 Like as soon as you get that kind of little corner as much be 1017 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,160 like, because I think that part of me likes that idea of the 1018 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,320 kind of imperfection and how it becomes very much like like a 1019 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,320 symbol of the fact that it's handmade, which is kind of nice. 1020 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,680 And I think that in certain themes and styles, I could 1021 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,920 totally get on board. Like if I was going very 1022 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,040 scrapbooky and very like, you know, torn people, organic kind 1023 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,480 of looking with little stamped headers, I could probably make 1024 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,160 my peace with it. But something like the way that 1025 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,720 Ashton was doing hers, where it was very clean, very minimal, 1026 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,960 very like, you know, precise line work, the black ink on the 1027 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,400 white page and just very crisp, like, oh, if you got a corner 1028 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,040 smudge on that, I'd be like, no, no, no, cannot do this. 1029 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,560 Like stick something over it. Get out the whiteout. 1030 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,720 Stick the pages together. Start again. 1031 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,160 Yeah, it's a lot of fun. So this is definitely a trend 1032 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,560 that I could say like, yeah, it was a good one. 1033 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,920 I'm in pretty deep, you know, I've got a lot, but I'm getting 1034 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,680 to the point where I'm really organizing them and making sure 1035 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,000 that I'm getting uses out of them and just being thoughtful 1036 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,120 about it too. You know, sometimes it's so easy 1037 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,960 to be like, ah, not worry about it. 1038 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,000 But I'm just finding, you know, I sometimes I'll just look at it 1039 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,560 and like, I'll pick one up and be like, OK, build around this 1040 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,160 theme, you know, and that's a lot easier. 1041 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,960 They're trying to sometimes fit like your stamp into what you're 1042 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,840 already doing. Like I kind of start from the 1043 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,760 stamp and let that inspire me. So I think that's just a really 1044 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,160 fun way to plan in journal and I'm all in. 1045 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,000 I do love the reusability of stamps as well. 1046 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,000 Like if you get a sticker set, obviously you use the stickers, 1047 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,520 the sticker set is gone unless you're buying a digital sticker 1048 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,320 set and then printing and cutting them yourself. 1049 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,920 But stamp, you don't have to do that. 1050 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,440 You just ink it up, smack it down. 1051 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,160 Probably lighter than smacking things down because that's 1052 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,760 probably how you end up with Smudge City. 1053 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,160 But that idea of being able to use it as many times as you want 1054 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,360 without having to have like either multiple packs of 1055 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,840 stickers that you're purchasing or buying like a big ream of 1056 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,760 like sticker paper to use or whatever else. 1057 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,600 I do love that aspect of it. I just feel like I'm kind of, 1058 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,640 you know, over there with what Aaron was saying, like that's a 1059 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,760 high level skill. I'm like, you know, too low 1060 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,920 level in terms of my ink anything journey to be able to 1061 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,680 do it in such a way that aligns nicely with my persnickety 1062 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,360 biscuit brain. Because as soon as I get that 1063 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,960 smudge on a theme that isn't supposed to have smudges, it's 1064 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,000 it's a no for me. I can totally understand it. 1065 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,040 But Planner Pals, we would love to hear from you. 1066 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,040 Did you fall victim to any of these trends or were there any 1067 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,680 others that you fallen victim to either for like, you know, the 1068 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,880 good, the bad, the ugly? We would love to hear. 1069 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,640 Let us know either in the comments if you're watching on 1070 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,320 YouTube, or you can hit us up at plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or 1071 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,440 over on Instagram at Planner Pals Podcast. 1072 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,560 Thank you so much to the YouTube Planner pals joining the channel 1073 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,400 and the club. I don't know what we want to 1074 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,000 call it. Maybe we will eventually come up 1075 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,560 with the name, but what a great topic this was today. 1076 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,080 So if you'd like to contribute in the future, as we mentioned 1077 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,760 in the beginning of the episode, get episodes early, make sure 1078 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,600 you head over to our YouTube channel and you can join from 1079 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,520 there and start immediately receiving all the benefits. 1080 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,720 As Mark said, we would absolutely love to have you with 1081 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,360 us, but for today, as always, thanks for watching.