1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,440 Welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted by two 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,000 true planner pals. I'm Jess or Jessie Curran. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,640 And my name is Mark and I go by marker pages. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,920 And today Planner pals, we have a really exciting episode for 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:14,920 you because we're planning with junk. 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,640 Junk journaling has either found its way to me or it's been, I 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,960 don't know, just do you feel like it's had like a major, like 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,880 I don't know about resurgence or am I just finding out about it? 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,040 I feel like you're, you're correct in saying that I feel 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,160 like it's become a lot more popular recently because it's, I 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,640 mean, it's been around for ages. Like I don't want to actually 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,280 put like a timestamp on that because I know I will be wrong. 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,720 But I feel like more recently, especially with the, you know, 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,760 the rise of analog and people trying to get offline and, you 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,400 know, combat brain rot and all of these other things, it feels 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,160 very much in the sphere of that. So it does feel like it's having 17 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:50,760 a moment. Yeah, it definitely is. 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,800 So today we're going to be talking about what we like about 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,400 junk journaling, what we don't like about junk journaling, and 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,920 kind of just have a good conversation, as we always do 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,920 about topics like this. I mean, me myself, I recently 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,960 have been like hardcore getting into it, but it's not 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,160 necessarily just like ripping up papers and stuff have been very 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,560 like specific about using like little stamp punch. 25 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,960 This this guy over here. I have all my materials laid out 26 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:15,600 for today, but I've been using this thing so much, has been so 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,440 much fun to use just to kind of get into it. 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,720 So I'm just excited for the topic overall. 29 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,800 But I think first just we probably should try to define 30 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,280 junk journaling. Even though when I think about 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,400 one thing, someone online always tells me that I'm wrong. 32 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,360 In her right, And I feel like when we start to fiddle around 33 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,160 with definitions, then it's like you're kind of drawing 34 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,560 boundaries around something. So we're not going to have us 35 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,280 trying to find it. We're going to ask the good old 36 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,040 Internet to do it for us. So now it's their fault, not 37 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,920 ours. But according to the interwebs, 38 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,400 a junk journal is a handmade book crafted from recycled, 39 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,600 repurposed or overlooked materials like old book pages, 40 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,360 junk mail, envelopes, and maps. It serves as a scrapbook, memory 41 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,800 book or art journal. It is used to hold sketches, 42 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,360 writing photos, and mixed media art. 43 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,240 So yeah, it does encompass a lot of different things. 44 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,840 But really the way that I see it is just, it's for fun. 45 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,520 It's a creativity thing. It can also be for memory 46 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,039 keeping. But the kind of core part of it 47 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:12,600 is that idea of like sustainability, using things 48 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,280 that would otherwise be overlooked or thrown away and 49 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,520 turning it into something, transforming it into to 50 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,480 something that is on like an autistic expression. 51 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,000 Yeah, it's definitely one of those things that I really like 52 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,720 about it because the little baby hoarder in me that loves like, 53 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,000 collecting things is all about this. 54 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,400 When I started playing around with this idea of it, I actually 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,840 went back to my recycling bin outside in the garage because I 56 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,000 was like, last week. Mark wasn't into junk 57 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,400 journaling. Did he throw away anything good 58 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,520 that might be inside of there? Because then once I got into it, 59 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,920 I was just saving all the papers, all the things, and I 60 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:49,160 was like, oh, it's a little dumpster diving in my own trash. 61 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:51,000 More recycling. I don't think I would go through 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,720 my trash can. That's kind of gross. 63 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,240 But like paper recycling, I'm all about it. 64 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,600 So I love this idea of being able to kind of pull everything 65 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,480 together and try it in different ways. 66 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,720 I mean, I personally, and again, here I am like telling people 67 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,920 what is or isn't a thing. But my opinion about the 68 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:09,560 definition that the Internet gave us, don't blame us if it's 69 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,120 wrong, is the idea that it's that it's a handmade notebook. 70 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,240 I mean, for me, what I love about it, I'm actually using 71 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,440 notebooks that I never ever would like I'm using like little 72 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,200 Archer knob, like little pocket notebooks. 73 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,240 I never had a real reason for these. 74 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,880 And like I'm starting to fill this little bad boy up with some 75 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,560 fun stuff now. And without the idea of like 76 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,720 putting things inside of here, I don't know that I would have 77 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,240 done that. So I don't think it has to 78 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,800 necessarily be a handmade book, more about like kind of what's 79 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,120 going inside of it. We all have the extra notebooks 80 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,880 that we're not going to use, like line notebooks for 81 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,240 instance. For sure. 82 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,840 Exactly. This is a great way to use those 83 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,360 kind of notebooks. But I mean, the way that I kind 84 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,760 of read the definition, if we're going to be like, you know, very 85 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,560 much like, you know, black and white. 86 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,960 And it's like, oh, you have to use a book that you've made 87 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,160 yourself. Like you went out and grew your 88 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,600 own trees and cut them down and stripped the bark. 89 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,800 No, OK. Like, if you want to, sure. 90 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,480 Paper making is also a great hobby. 91 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,560 I don't believe that you have to be a paper maker and a book 92 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,480 binder to be a junk journaler. But if we're thinking about it 93 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,000 in terms of handmade, just in the sense of what you're putting 94 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,760 into it and bringing together the elements and like sticking 95 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,880 them together and such rather than buying a pre decorated 96 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,760 book, then I'm like, yeah, sure, totally can like jump on the 97 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,680 trade of junk journaling in that respect. 98 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,800 Yeah, absolutely. So let's go ahead and talk about 99 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,160 some of the points that we like about it as we go into it. 100 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,360 I mean, even the very first one, I'm like, OK, yeah. 101 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,720 But so the first thing and the idea of junk journaling is that 102 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,320 imperfection is the point. It's this idea of 103 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,160 experimentation. It's this idea of, you know, 104 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,560 ripping things, putting them in, layering them, making mistakes, 105 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,840 having fun with it. I will tell you though, like 106 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:47,360 even me myself, I have a little bit of issue with that because 107 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,520 all of the things that I'm doing with it right now, like things 108 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,400 are lining up, you know, it's like, oh, it's spaced a good 109 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,600 amount of space. Like I'm so scared about 110 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,200 layering. We talked about that with air 111 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,440 and I like divulge my soul about my, my like insecurities around 112 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:02,760 this idea of decorative planning. 113 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,920 Like I, I just see it this way, but also I like the idea of kind 114 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,480 of just letting it all loose and just being like, you know what, 115 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,040 I can do whatever I want with it. 116 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,840 If the lines aren't straight, so be it. 117 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,960 If you know something isn't exactly perfect, it's OK. 118 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,160 But you know, the overall idea though, was like, there's really 119 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,880 no wrong way to do it because the wrong way is kind of the 120 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,560 right way. Even though there will 121 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,760 definitely be people on the Internet who will still tell you 122 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,680 you're doing it wrong and we can put those Nelly naysayers in the 123 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,560 bin out of which we already harvested the good trash. 124 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,080 Yeah. And I think what I love about 125 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,400 that ideas that opens us up to just experimenting and trying. 126 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,760 I mean, it's always hard because we know as creators, right? 127 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,560 We want to make things and then we want to put them online. 128 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,280 We want people to see it, right? We want to inspire people and 129 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:48,120 get them excited. But it doesn't mean that 130 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,400 everyone has to do that. You can totally explore junk 131 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,280 journal yourself and just have it at home and never show it to 132 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:54,840 anybody. Like just have fun. 133 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:58,080 Yeah, I do think that this idea of your imperfection is the 134 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,640 point in our rules. I like the fact that that makes 135 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:03,880 the beginning stages feel very approachable because you know, 136 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,120 when you are just getting started with something, like any 137 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,080 skill that you're trying to build, you're going to be 138 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:09,720 stuffing things up like it just happens. 139 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,720 You're still learning the kind of like how to use the tools and 140 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,280 the skill set needed and like how you want to lay out pages so 141 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:17,880 that things feel balanced and whatever else. 142 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,240 And maybe that's also not even the point of your junk journal. 143 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,440 Maybe you're just going in because you want to do something 144 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,720 with your hands that isn't scrolling. 145 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,600 Instagram, Jessica. But I find that the idea of 146 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,360 imperfection being OK is still something that is daunting. 147 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,960 I don't mind a torn edge, mind things looking a little organic, 148 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,440 but if there's absolutely no guardrails I feel a little 149 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,920 overwhelmed and then I start to get too particular. 150 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,800 I still want things to look cohesive and balanced and put 151 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,000 together and nice. Which means that I know even 152 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,280 though it's a self-imposed rule, it's still something I bring to 153 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:53,480 new creative hobbies. I no, I totally feel you. 154 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,680 I mean, that's kind of the reaction that I've been getting 155 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,680 online is I've been sharing more and more of my stuff is people 156 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,120 are like, oh, you're so worried about everything lining up the 157 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:02,920 right way. Like I've been doing kind of 158 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,280 this whole like stamp exploration, right? 159 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,440 And I've just been playing around and I'm like, OK, I want 160 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,640 my lines to be straight. Like I like that. 161 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,520 And my imperfection, you know, are the patterns being 162 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,880 different, You know, nothing lining up necessarily. 163 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,960 This also plays really well into my color deficiency. 164 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,800 Like I don't have to worry about it being color cohesive because 165 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,360 I don't know what really works well together. 166 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,200 And this is a great way for me to be like, it doesn't matter. 167 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Put different things together, try it. 168 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,440 Like I try to find some commonality for like a theme as 169 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,080 I'm playing around with it. But I just love the freedom of 170 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,920 like not having to worry about it, which has been really nice. 171 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,160 But at the same time giving myself some rules to follow as 172 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,880 well, just because I need that as I'm much like you, I need 173 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,400 that. Yeah, I do think that having 174 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,560 those kind of guidelines for yourself, even if it's just 175 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,480 something that you're trying with to get you in the door, 176 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,720 like, you know, foot in the door. 177 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,800 Just getting started saying like, OK, I'm not going to open 178 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,200 myself up to the entire world of imperfection and junk journaling 179 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,280 for any which what way you want to do it. 180 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,720 I'm just going to aim to tackle it in this kind of style. 181 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,640 And that's the thing that I actually quite like about your 182 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,760 junk journaling is that it does have that kind of like, I'm not 183 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,560 going to say like a strict guideline. 184 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,200 It's more so like a set guideline. 185 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,560 So it's very kind of, you know, what you're going to be creating 186 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,080 or how you're going to be putting it together. 187 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,800 It's just that the actual materials you use and like, you 188 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,760 know, the order you place them on the page or something like 189 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,400 that. That's where the kind of 190 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,600 creative comes into it a bit more, as opposed to those like, 191 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,560 OK, I'm going to use this stamp punch, I'm going to have it 192 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,360 aligned in a grid or whatever else. 193 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,400 Yeah, it's probably my favorite part about it, honestly, is I 194 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,320 love the way a page looks when it's done and even when it's not 195 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,080 done all the way to like, I'm kind of also treating kind of 196 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,280 like a collection page. So sometimes we like, OK, I want 197 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,400 this page to be a collection of Ferris Well Press papers or 198 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,160 boxes, right? I've been cutting up and 199 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,120 stamping and kind of punching out the boxes that the ink comes 200 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,600 inside of because I usually just throw them away and I'm like, 201 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,640 OK, like they're going to look different because they're 202 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,560 different colors. There's always different designs 203 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:58,720 and things like that. And I'm not always going to 204 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,800 complete a page. And I kind of like that. 205 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,240 It reminds me a bit about the bullet journaling part, about 206 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,800 having a collection page and kind of building the theme 207 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,640 around it. But knowing that I don't have to 208 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,400 complete it like a work of art every single time I come to like 209 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,400 I can kind of let it go and come back to it when something sparks 210 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,200 my interest or maybe I find something else. 211 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,400 If I am kind of doing like an overall theme, maybe I find 212 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,280 something to stumble upon it where I'm like, that would look 213 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,840 really cool on this page, even though it doesn't go together. 214 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,680 And then that becomes the theme, which is like a mixed match of 215 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:31,280 whatever with like a common color or a common pattern or 216 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,680 whatever it might be. Yeah, I do think that the idea 217 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:37,560 of being able to bring things together that don't necessarily 218 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:39,880 at face value match is really nice. 219 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,360 And if you can get some commonality between them, even 220 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,480 if it's like the pattern and the color and like the texture and 221 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,320 stuff is all different. Having just like the shape or 222 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:51,280 the size of it, the same gives you some kind of like cohesivity 223 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,240 between the elements in a way. But I also think that one of the 224 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,480 things about this idea of like, you know, imperfections, OK, and 225 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,760 it's totally fine if it's not perfect or whatever. 226 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,560 I still feel like there'd be certain things if I put them 227 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,480 down on the page and they weren't the right shape or the 228 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,160 right size or like, you know, you're a stamper. 229 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,600 If I put the stamp down and it wasn't perfect, I'd just be 230 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,440 like, Oh my God, I've ruined my junk journal. 231 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:13,640 So that's the great thing about it. 232 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,920 I was actually gonna mention the stamping part of it, because 233 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,840 that's always a really big fear of people dealing with inks and 234 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,560 clear stamps and rubber stamps. And I do it myself now. 235 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:23,840 Even even as someone who's been doing it for years, you stamp a 236 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:25,840 little too hard. You kind of get the little edge 237 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,760 piece from the corner of the stamp. 238 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,080 And usually you're like, oh damn, like that doesn't look 239 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,080 like everything else. That's a great example of like 240 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,280 use that inside of this junk journal because it kind of feeds 241 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,120 to the personality of the page even more than if you're doing a 242 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,680 weekly. It can kind of really turn into 243 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:43,560 anything else. Or then you become intentional. 244 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:46,320 You start stamping a little too hard on purpose. 245 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,520 And then, you know, maybe you're kind of, I don't know, learning 246 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,760 some of those skills out, figuring it out as you're going 247 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,440 along. But I love it as a way to 248 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,320 experiment and try new things. I think that's kind of one of my 249 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,080 favorite parts about it is just like the freedom of it. 250 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,400 But like we said, then we're also giving ourselves rules. 251 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,920 We so quickly jump right back to like our core like innerness of 252 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,480 like I need perfection but I want to get a little crazy. 253 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,960 That's right, crazy with guidelines. 254 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,200 I'm all for it. I think that one of my favorite 255 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,880 things about junk journaling, though, is just giving things 256 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,000 Second Life, especially in the day and age of every gosh Dang 257 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,880 company having such beautiful packaging materials. 258 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,120 You know, like something comes wrapped in this really cute 259 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,360 tissue paper that has, you know, little decorations or doodles on 260 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,160 it or whatever. Or maybe you're out at a cafe 261 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,640 and they have a paper menu, like one that you can take with you 262 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:33,600 or something. You're not just out here 263 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,440 stealing people's menus. That's very rude. 264 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,040 But like those kind of things. I'd love to be able to collect 265 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,320 them and not just Chuck them away. 266 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,320 It's like, no, you are gorgeous. You are beautiful. 267 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,200 I want to remember this. I want to kind of like 268 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,680 immortalize you in my journal. It's not immortal. 269 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:50,440 It's all paper. It's all going to go out at one 270 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,560 point, but I still think it's nice to not just kind of 271 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:56,080 appreciated the moment and then get rid of it. 272 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,560 Take it to landfill, take it to the recycling, but give it that. 273 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:00,480 Kind of like Second Life in my notebook. 274 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,680 Yeah, it's been cool. When I was just on vacation, I 275 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,680 was doing exactly. I was being very intentional 276 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,840 about it. So I have like everything from 277 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,560 like, you know, the flyer you see in the gift shop of like, 278 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:13,240 what to do in that town. Usually I've been here before, 279 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,040 so like, I know what to do in that town. 280 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,520 But I did, I, like, open it up. And I was like, oh, look, we've 281 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,960 got like, shells and like, cool stuff. 282 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,000 I was at a beach recently, if you can't tell by my gorgeous 283 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,480 tan, but like, even, you know, things just like people who make 284 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,720 art, right? Like this is from one of the art 285 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,760 studios that was there. And again, I usually wouldn't 286 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,440 grab these things because it's like, what the hell am I going 287 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,000 to do with this after I read the back of it and learn about the 288 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,040 artist. And I was like, Oh no, like I 289 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,840 have these great images now that I can use and then incorporate 290 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,480 them into my journal in some way. 291 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,280 And I'm like really excited about this because this is where 292 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,280 like part of that memory keeping kind of comes into play because 293 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,320 it'll be, you know, built around like the theme of my vacation. 294 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,800 But it's just this idea that like, these are things that I 295 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,520 found as I was going through. Like I went to Topgolf and I 296 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,000 took the coaster with me and busted up and I had a drink on 297 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,600 it for three hours. So like, you know, it's 298 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,760 whatever. But like, it's just one of those 299 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,880 things where I'm like, oh, now I can punch this out, put this 300 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,720 inside of my journal and then like, remember that moment, 301 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:08,840 right? And there's a lot of like really 302 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,920 cool things about that that I really like about it. 303 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,240 But I also simultaneously feel like a little like ferret 304 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,440 because I'm like, oh, little pieces of paper. 305 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,440 Oh, a business card. Oh, a flyer. 306 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,520 Oh, a coaster that I was drinking off, You know, like I 307 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,720 kind of also got to that mode. I'm like, are people looking at 308 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,480 me weird for stealing things or like taking the things that 309 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,320 usually people leave behind and like, very self-conscious. 310 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:35,040 Yeah, I do kind of worry, almost like if I'm so caught up in, you 311 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,760 know, trying to collect all these little bits of pieces for 312 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,480 my junk journal, am I just collecting stuff? 313 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Because I feel like I need to collect stuff and it isn't 314 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,320 actually something that is going to be something I use or it's 315 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,200 going to be not actually tied to a memory that I want to keep. 316 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,360 Not saying this like, oh God, this is a bad memory and I don't 317 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,440 want to keep it or something. Well, so it's like, okay, if I'm 318 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,160 collecting a flyer, but it's for an activity that I never went 319 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,720 and did, then am I just like kind of contributing to excess 320 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:02,960 waste? Because it's like now I'm 321 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,080 collecting things to take them home to realize I didn't 322 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,440 actually need to use them and throwing them out at home as 323 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,920 opposed to letting somebody else actually use the flyer for its 324 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,720 intended purpose or something like that. 325 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,120 But also it's like if I'm constantly on the lookout for 326 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,400 things to include, am I missing out on like life and living in 327 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,040 that moment? I don't think it's too too much 328 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,960 of a problem, but I think for some people who are, you know, 329 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,680 maybe do fall into that kind of like, oh, collect everything or 330 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,800 like a dragon kind of mindset. Maybe you are missing out on 331 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,200 other things in those moments when you're just trying to 332 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,520 collect stuff. That being said, I do think that 333 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,320 it's also kind of like a fun side hobby. 334 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,320 You know how we've kind of talked previously and the 335 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,880 Internet loves to laugh about the idea of collecting crafting 336 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,840 supplies is another hobby into the using crafting supplies. 337 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,920 This one I'm like kind of OK with because at least you're 338 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,360 collecting things without having to purchase a whole bunch of 339 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,320 stuff. In theory, because it's junk 340 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,920 journaling, you're collecting stuff that would otherwise be 341 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,400 thrown away. So that's all right. 342 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,600 It's then they're kind of like, OK, cool, now I've collected all 343 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,800 these materials that I may or may not use and I have to store 344 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,760 them. That's always a fun problem. 345 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,280 Yeah, that's kind of where I am right now, where I have kind of 346 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,200 like two different boxes set up for myself. 347 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,120 I have one that is just all of the things that I'm like, oh, 348 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,240 this has a cool design on it. I might use this later or you 349 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,200 know, this idea that I'm like collecting all the things from 350 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,080 my vacation, right to then use them. 351 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,360 And then I also have this box over here where I'm just like 352 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,040 right now, like because I have to do this or else it'll get 353 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,280 really bad. Once I see it, I'll like turn it 354 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,640 into a stamp or a clip or if it's small enough, put it in 355 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,040 here Because otherwise I'm just going to hoard so much paper and 356 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,960 then I'm going to lose it. I'll forget about it. 357 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,760 So it's almost being like very intentional about it. 358 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,400 If I'm like, Oh, I'm going to keep this because I want this 359 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,840 part, I'll just kind of put it right in front of my face. 360 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,640 Or in some cases, if I'm already at home, like grow, grab my, my 361 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,360 punch and punch it out. And that way I'll go and recycle 362 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,440 the rest of the paper. And then I've just been like 363 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,680 collecting them inside of here because it's like a lot less to 364 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,160 collect inside a small container than it is to save all the big 365 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,520 packaging from everything. I'm just imagining you out and 366 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,600 about with your little punch on a carabina clip to your belt 367 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,920 with one of those little strings that kind of are tracks to be 368 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,800 like, I can use this later clip. I can use this later clip. 369 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,720 It's like the guy that's on the train that like punches your 370 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,400 little card as you're riding. That's totally me. 371 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,840 I would absolutely, 100% do that. 372 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,480 That's actually a great idea. I'll have to figure out how to 373 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,200 attach this to my belts because that just makes I don't have to 374 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,160 bring anything home. I'll just clip it in the moment. 375 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,560 Yeah, and have like a little business card keeper for all of 376 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,560 your little stamp bits that you've already clipped off so 377 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,200 that you can like transport them around with you. 378 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,640 So even now we're buying a whole bunch of stuff. 379 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,920 So then we can do junk journaling when the point was to 380 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,400 use junk. I literally was like, oh, now I 381 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,440 need to find a small container that I can buy to keep in my 382 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,400 backpack so I can collect all my things. 383 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,480 This is the problem that we have. 384 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,320 We're trying to think about so many solutions to like all the 385 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,080 things, but it's such a good idea. 386 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,840 I guess that's also another kind of concern point that I have 387 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,080 with junk journaling because even though the purpose of it is 388 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,880 to use junk or no recyclable materials, probably not actual 389 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,200 like trash trash because come on, we don't want no stank ass 390 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,400 junk journal. But we do have people now who 391 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,359 are, you know, selling junk journal packs online. 392 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,839 And I'm like, is that a junk journal pack or is that just a 393 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,119 collage pack? Because in my mind, if it's junk 394 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,760 journal, if it's supposed to be junk, then in theory I shouldn't 395 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,040 have to purchase any new materials to do the hobby. 396 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,119 And I think that is the intention. 397 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,000 But in the consumerism culture that we're sitting in, Hazar, 398 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,640 whatever, it doesn't matter. But like, you get the idea, 399 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,280 right? We've got people who are 400 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,640 probably going out there and just kind of thinking, OK, 401 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,200 awesome, I need to go and acquire a bunch of materials to 402 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,080 be able to do this, even though in theory it's supposed to be 403 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,200 stuff from everyday life that would have been overlooked 404 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,800 initially. I also see it that was giving 405 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,320 something Second Life, like a really great example of that. 406 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Arch and Olive has been including a lot of those like 407 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,840 paper packs inside of their subscription boxes recently. 408 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:56,840 And I've held onto those for years. 409 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,600 The vellum, like all the papers, all of this stuff. 410 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,720 And I've never had a need for it. 411 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,200 And now I do like now I'm actually pulling those back out 412 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,760 and I'm utilizing those right and thinking of different things 413 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,760 I can do with them. So like technically, you know, 414 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,800 I've had it and it's been wasting away inside of my 415 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,760 drawer, right for all of this time. 416 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,880 But it's really, really cool to be like pop that open and be 417 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,840 like, oh, like from the last time that I thought I was going 418 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,240 to get into like ephemera journaling and like doing a lot 419 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,720 of this kind of stuff. I've like honed it in a little 420 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,320 bit more, focused it a little bit more. 421 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,040 I'm like, Oh, this is really great. 422 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,360 Or I have a ton of papers. I've been doing stuff with like 423 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,160 Eric small things because you know, me like I was just like 424 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,960 buying up everything. I could not really thinking 425 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,680 like, well, how am I going to use these little memo pads or 426 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,920 how am I going to use these little, you know, wrapping 427 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,240 papers and things like that. I just really love the design of 428 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,320 her stuff. So it's turned out really great 429 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,200 because now I can have like an Eric small things page and I'm 430 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,320 actually using and punching those things out. 431 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,920 It makes me feel really good. But it, it is super hard though, 432 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,040 I'll tell you. Like I've seen people online 433 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,840 that have been punching out like containers of like, like sour 434 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,840 cream and like butter and like sodas and candy bars and stuff 435 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,400 like that. I am assuming that they are 436 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,760 cleaning them out. But like for me personally, I 437 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,360 feel like that's going a little bit far. 438 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,320 Like I'm not going to be like cutting open my sour cream 439 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,280 container to like punch out the cow on the front of it. 440 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,280 Though I do like the way it looks because I'm actually 441 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,840 scared. Exactly like you said, like they 442 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,440 have a stank ass journal because I didn't clean my sour cream or 443 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,880 butter container well enough and I'm sticking it inside of my 444 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,480 journal. Yeah, I know that like people 445 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,000 have a similar thing with like tea and coffee stained pages. 446 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,880 If they live in certain climates and whatnot, they can't 447 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,280 necessarily rely on their journals not going mouldy 448 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,840 because you don't want a mouldy journal. 449 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,200 That's not really the vibe. Like it's called a junk journal. 450 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,360 And sure, we've titled this as like making a journal with 451 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:51,400 trash, but like, let's not turn our journals into trash by 452 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,960 putting things in there that realistically don't have 453 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,920 longevity. But I do like your point, 454 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,840 though, about that idea of maybe some of the materials we have 455 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,480 acquired over time, the ones that were like, oh, yeah, I'd 456 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,640 love to use this, but I don't know how junk journaling could 457 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,760 be a really good way to utilize those because it is so free 458 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,960 form. And there are the kind of like, 459 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,240 you know, no rules and it can be very imperfect. 460 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,000 And such gives you the opportunity to play around and 461 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,920 experiment with those materials that have just been sitting in a 462 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,680 drawer on your shelf or whatnot being like Blaze. 463 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,760 Love me, do something with me, be nice to actually give them a 464 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,680 home. Yeah, I'm excited about some 465 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,520 different stuff that I want to do with it. 466 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,000 You know, I also seen a bit of like an artistic exploration as 467 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,080 well. And I think that's why this kind 468 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,000 of morphs itself into a few different things because I 469 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,760 definitely am going to probably be more on the end of like using 470 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,320 those materials that I already have. 471 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,600 Like I said, if I have some paper packs and things like 472 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,800 that, I want to use them because otherwise I'm not. 473 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,560 But that's not really found items. 474 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,720 That's not a receipt from lunch or, you know, the cough, you 475 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,040 know, like a coffee container or the sleeve or whatever that I'm 476 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,920 using for those kind of things, which I really do love the way 477 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,520 that looks. But for me, I'm kind of treating 478 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,840 it as a bit of both. Like, like I said, I'll be kind 479 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,200 of punching all of this fun stuff out and kind of creating 480 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,520 this junk journal spread from my vacation. 481 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,800 But at the same time, you know, taking one of these Archer and 482 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,560 Olive like photo realistic papers that they've sent or 483 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,280 something with some texture on it and punching those out and 484 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,360 putting it in a different collection as well as a way of 485 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,800 just like having fun and being creative. 486 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,320 Yeah, I've been finding for my junk journaling, it's mainly 487 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:32,320 been stuff that I have collected mainly for like a memory keeping 488 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,760 type deal. That's like kind of why I'm 489 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,920 doing it. So a lot of the pieces, I'm not 490 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,640 punching it down to a little stamp shape, even though I love 491 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:40,720 yours. I think it's super cute. 492 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,760 But because I want to be able to keep the kind of like majority 493 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,120 of a material, it's more so just like cutting it or ripping it so 494 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:50,400 that it'll actually fit into my notebook and then adding 495 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,200 embellishments to the page with other materials that I have. 496 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,920 Because having kind of like what we talked about with Aaron, 497 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,240 having one thing sitting on a page by itself, like in space is 498 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,800 kind of sad and lonely. So I do like to do some layering 499 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,400 and I don't necessarily always use junk to do the layering, but 500 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,080 I will use other materials I already have in my collection. 501 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,600 Yeah, it's something that Erin said that's really stuck with me 502 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,080 since that episode and it's made me feel a lot more comfortable 503 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,640 with exploring with this. Not that I've done it anything 504 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,080 recently, but I am definitely like moving towards it was her 505 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,400 rule of three. Like when layering and kind of 506 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,880 picking those things, right? She said. 507 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,960 It was, you know, something solid, something that was a 508 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,520 texture and then something that was a detail. 509 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,880 I personally am still trying to figure out the difference 510 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,680 between a texture and a detail because a lot of those didn't be 511 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,560 the same in my mind. But that idea of like picking 512 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,880 those types of things, I think you're going to help me out a 513 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,880 lot, especially as I start to explore more beyond like 514 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,920 punching out the stamp pattern, right, and using those. 515 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,800 But I Even so like, I think that also could lend itself to a lot 516 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,120 of what I'm doing now too. So I don't know. 517 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,920 I'm a big fan of the way that it's looking. 518 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,720 I just saw something today online. 519 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,200 It was someone who was kind of junk journaling, but they were 520 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,520 making a plane card out of it, which was kind of neat, but it 521 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,440 was a lot. And I was like, yeah, that's not 522 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,280 a me thing. Like they were taking like washi 523 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,880 tapes and they were taking PET tape and they were, you know, 524 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,440 putting little sprinkles inside of all of this stuff and they 525 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,520 were stamping on it. And I was like, this is too 526 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,160 much. It looks very cool, but like I 527 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,560 know I can never do it. Like it almost started moving to 528 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,840 like a mixed media type thing, but at the same time technically 529 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,040 could be junk journaling too. Like that's what I, you know, I 530 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,800 don't know where to kind of put those certain things, but I'm 531 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,200 definitely excited to continue to explore though and kind of 532 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,200 see because it seems really fun. I feel like the baby steps, like 533 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,760 rule of 3 is what I got to stick with. 534 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,800 Just pick three things and like try it out. 535 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,200 Yeah. I mean, what? 536 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,720 How much junk do you need in a junk journal for it still to be 537 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,760 a junk journal as opposed to a mixed media journal? 538 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,360 We are not the junk journal police. 539 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,560 We are not the planning police. We are not here to tell you what 540 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,040 the hard and fast rule is. In theory, there were no rules. 541 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,360 But you know, we're out here making rules for ourselves and 542 00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,400 everybody else, it seems. I mean, something I really like 543 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,520 to do with it, though, is this idea of visual storytelling. 544 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,600 That's also been like a really big thing. 545 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,640 I had made a video over my YouTube channel around using the 546 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,520 junk mail Flyers that we all get, like the value packs. 547 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,600 It's just stacked with like things inside of it. 548 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,040 And I was like, let's see what I can do with this. 549 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,240 And, you know, and it was like, after a while, I was starting to 550 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,560 notice a bit of like a theme. I mean, there's always like 551 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,560 window vendors in there. So like I had tons of windows 552 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,360 that could punch out and then you got like the landscapes and 553 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:29,680 all this stuff. And there's a restaurant by me 554 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,560 that's kind of like a old timey, kind of like vintage restaurant. 555 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,720 And their ad was really cool because they had like an old, I 556 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,400 guess a husband and wife on like a farm. 557 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,160 So it was like black and white photo. 558 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,120 They were dressed very like old school farmy. 559 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:45,960 And I was like, oh, this would be cool. 560 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,840 Let me kind of make a story out of this. 561 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,640 And like, I started to clip things out and put them 562 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,240 together. Building on a fake story was 563 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,560 total fiction, But around, you know, this farmer and his wife 564 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,160 and like, you know, they're building a home for themselves. 565 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,440 So I was like, clipping outdoors and windows and like, flowers 566 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,240 and kind of all those kind of things. 567 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,040 And when I was done, I was so proud of myself because it was 568 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,280 just, again, it was like a creative thing that I would have 569 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,800 never, ever done in my bullet journal. 570 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,600 That's not like a thing that I would really do there, but I 571 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,440 just felt like I had the permission to do it here and 572 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,600 like, be open and creative because it was my, you know, my 573 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,760 junk journal, so to say. So there's a lot of like, 574 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760 permission that was given, but I really liked the way it looked 575 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,000 and like a little story that I would have never written down 576 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,440 myself. I think that's the other thing 577 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,520 too. That's what I love about the 578 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600 visuals. Yeah, I do like that note about 579 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,160 permission to do things because in theory, you know, in our 580 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,640 planners or in our bullet journal, junk journal, whatever, 581 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,840 like in all of them, there should be no need for permission 582 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,520 because it is ours and we can do what we want or whatnot. 583 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,760 But I do feel like it's like a self-imposed rules that I have 584 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,720 for myself. Like OK, in your five year 585 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,520 journal, you will only do these things. 586 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,800 You will only use this pen, You will only use this type of 587 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,400 handwriting in your everyday journal where you're planning 588 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,120 all your things. You will only use these spreads. 589 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,840 You will only use these layouts. Things have to be cohesive the 590 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,800 other, whereas with my junk journal, it's like anything goes 591 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,760 anarchy. Stick down whatever, don't stick 592 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,480 things in. Just shove them in the notebook, 593 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,920 kick it down the stairs. OK, probably not. 594 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,320 But like still, I find the, the kind of like the permission that 595 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,440 I give myself in that one is very nice and very freeing, but 596 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,760 also kind of daunting, as we already kind of noted. 597 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:28,240 But I also find that I still have that kind of like rule set 598 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,760 for myself sneaking in in particular around what I'm using 599 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,680 it for because as someone who does consider themselves to be 600 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,200 very purpose first, it's like, OK, anything you're creating, 601 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,400 like what is what is the reason? And sure, sometimes the reason 602 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,600 is just fun and I should just let myself have fun, but I 603 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,600 don't, it seems. But for me, junk journaling, the 604 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,880 kind of purpose that I've assigned to it is memory 605 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,240 keeping. But I also know that that's not 606 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,520 my preferred way of memory keeping. 607 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,520 I'm kind of the person who prefers to capture a memory in 608 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,560 its entirety or as much of it as I can so that then I can really 609 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,160 go back and live in that moment again. 610 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,360 And the way that I typically like to do that is through 611 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,960 video. Whereas with junk journaling, it 612 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,440 feels like I'm just collecting memory prompts or memory aids 613 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,120 that I then I still have to remember the thing that 614 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:14,720 happened. Like, I have to be able to look 615 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,200 at the thing, have it jogged my memory or like, you know, prompt 616 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,080 a thought for myself and still have to, like, you know, rely on 617 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,840 the brain to be able to figure out what went down. 618 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,520 And that is not something that I'm particularly good at. 619 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,400 And thus I don't know if junk journaling will have longevity 620 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,400 or staying power for me, because if I've assigned it that 621 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,960 purpose, but it is not the best for me at fulfilling that 622 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,040 purpose, then why bother putting in the effort? 623 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,840 I see what you're saying there. Yeah. 624 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,040 It's interesting because I feel like that could be something 625 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,520 that maybe, again, you'd look like a weirdo, like you're out 626 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,800 eating with your family and you're like, oh, I need a 627 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,880 journal about this. And you, like, take part of your 628 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,360 receipt and part of the menu. But like, in the moment, though, 629 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,440 put that into your notebook. Like it almost kind of takes 630 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,160 away from it being overly curated, which I definitely feel 631 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,520 like mine is in that kind of way, at least from a standpoint 632 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,480 of like using the same shapes and thinking about the spacing 633 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,440 and kind of how I want that to be. 634 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,840 But at the same time, like I don't think I would ever be that 635 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,840 person. Like I said, I'm already 636 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,520 embarrassed that I'm like grabbing pieces of paper and 637 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,720 business cards and things. The last thing you're going to 638 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,520 see me doing is being like ripping a page using my little 639 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,360 glue pen, sticking it and then writing like a moment. 640 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,280 And you know, what happened in this moment? 641 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,560 Where were we? Whatever. 642 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,160 But I do think though, at the same time, like maybe that's not 643 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,360 something that I would do, but maybe someone else would feel 644 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,680 more comfortable in doing that. And then you're kind of relying 645 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,200 on like, what is the visual thing from this moment that is 646 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,080 stands out to me the most? Or maybe can even go into a 647 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,120 journal. You know, there's probably 648 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,760 things that won't go in there. And then writing down real 649 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,120 quick, you know, when that happened, where that was maybe 650 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,880 who you're with, not doing long form journaling because that's 651 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840 also like not a me thing. Like I don't ever really do 652 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,400 that. And I also don't know that I'm 653 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,920 technically doing any like, short form journaling, at least 654 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,800 not personal journaling since I use my bullet journal so much 655 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,040 for work. Like I've never kind of taken a 656 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,760 moment to write down like my current thoughts or kind of 657 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,000 what's going on for me. But again, someone else though 658 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,760 they might be. So it could be like a way to 659 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,760 like, take that moment in time to reflect so you're not trying 660 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,440 to rely on your, you know, Swiss brain memory later on. 661 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,520 Yeah, I do very much see the benefit of noting things down in 662 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,240 the moment and recording in the moment, because then everything 663 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,120 is like as fresh as possible. And, you know, that's why people 664 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,760 be out here buying traveling journaling kits and such, 665 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,600 whether they're for junk journaling or otherwise. 666 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,160 It is nice to have your own, like your travel glue, tape and 667 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,640 your travel scissors, the ones that you can actually take on a 668 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080 plane or the ones that you'll pack in your, like, checked 669 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,360 luggage so you don't get them confiscated anyway. 670 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:49,240 But I do find that because in the moment I'm usually more 671 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,320 wanting to like, you know, be present also film, because I 672 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,000 know that that's going to be my preferred way of looking back on 673 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,360 the memories later. I don't then also want to take 674 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,640 time away to be like, Hey, let me just get my journal out and 675 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,320 my glue and my scissors and whatever. 676 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,040 And just like, you know, scrapbook right here in the 677 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,760 moment. But for some people that's like 678 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,480 super necessary because otherwise what happens is that 679 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,600 you accumulate all this stuff, especially if you're trying to 680 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,520 do junk journaling on like a like a two week trip or 681 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,280 something, You know, you accumulate all of these things 682 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,160 and then you get back and it's like, cool, now I've got 683 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,400 homework to do as opposed to this being like A and relaxing 684 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,680 thing. It's now like work. 685 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,560 I think that's why I'm so afraid to go too deep into it. 686 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,240 Like I can give myself the job of picking up, you know, the 687 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,400 flyer or, you know, the little magazine or something like that, 688 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,480 or, again, a business card or, you know, something you sit your 689 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,000 drink on. Like, I can, like, put this in 690 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,320 my pocket real quick. But yeah, I'm not going to be 691 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,040 the person that's like pulling my little punch off of my little 692 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,080 chain and like doing that in the moment and then pasting it into 693 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,200 like a journal. But also like I don't have a lot 694 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,280 of pocket space, I guess to really carry a journal around 695 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,360 with me unless it was a pocket sized journal. 696 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,360 And I'm talking like real thin, like I'm not carrying this 697 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,040 around in my pocket, you know, like I'm thinking much more of 698 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,720 that traveler size or, you know, like bullet journal came up with 699 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,640 like a little pocket notebook, write something like that that 700 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,960 really fits inside of my pocket and doing it that way. 701 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,800 But it's just one of those things where like, I'm also not, 702 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,120 like we said, I'm not that person though to carry around my 703 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,520 journal really. So it's not going to happen in 704 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,440 the moment for me, but good for somebody. 705 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,000 Else, yeah, I think that's also probably in part why there is 706 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,400 that kind of, like, looming risk of just becoming a junk 707 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,920 collector as opposed to a junk journaler. 708 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,360 It's like, OK, cool. I'm really good at just, like, 709 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,480 grabbing the thing in the moment, making sure I'm on the 710 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,360 lookout for things that I could stick in later. 711 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,640 But then if you don't give yourself the time to actually do 712 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,200 the sticking in later, it's just like cool now I have a pile of 713 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400 trash in my house instead of where it would have been which 714 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,520 is in the bin. And that's exactly, eventually 715 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,440 what's going to end up happening is you're just going to get so 716 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,520 fed up with your pile of stuff. Or like you said, you're not. 717 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,680 I don't know. There's probably like a time 718 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,920 limit everyone needs to like set for themselves. 719 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,960 Again, no rules in junk journaling. 720 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,080 We're like, no, no. But personally, I need to give 721 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,480 myself a rule that if I don't use that in the week's time, it 722 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,440 goes inside of the recycling. You know, like for me 723 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,960 personally, I know that if I don't do that, I will accumulate 724 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,360 boxes and boxes and boxes of things. 725 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,240 And every time I see something in the store, I'm going to be 726 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,880 like, oh, I could junk journal with that. 727 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,200 I could be putting that out of my notebook and I could be 728 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,480 swiping it and taking it, you know, and doing whatever, but 729 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,560 then not doing anything with it. And also, like my memory isn't 730 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,360 great. So I know that I only have 731 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,880 probably a day or two worth of like that short term memory to 732 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,720 remember, like important details about what happened while I was 733 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,720 at this restaurant with this person. 734 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,480 Otherwise, it's just going to go out the door and I'm not saving 735 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,400 my receipts. That's one thing I'm not doing. 736 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,960 Yeah, I'm not a receipt saver. I'm exactly the same way. 737 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,720 Because, like what? My junk journal was very much 738 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,800 just like a way to fill up the back of my notebook. 739 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,200 So it's just a bunch of things stuck in or whatever. 740 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,400 And I had quite a few pages left in this notebook. 741 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,600 So I was like, OK, but we're going to have like plenty of 742 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,840 space to do more. So I've collected a bunch of 743 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,320 materials, but this was my quarter one journal. 744 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,960 We're in quarter 2 now. We're decently into quarter 2 745 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,160 now and I still haven't done it. So it's like, what is the kind 746 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,000 of time frame that I give myself to actually complete that 747 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,200 project versus when do I just say like, hey, that ship has 748 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,040 sailed, let the junk go. I mean, it really that's going 749 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,560 to fall into, you know, what I like about it so much, right? 750 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,360 Is that like with things we've talked about, like not really 751 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,200 having those rules around it, but us as individuals, we know 752 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,360 that we need something though. And I do think though that it is 753 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,160 healthy, like you said, because then we just become journal 754 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,320 collectors or junk collectors or both. 755 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,960 You know, just this idea of like you're consuming and you're 756 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,480 keeping and you're using and you're grabbing and you're doing 757 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,040 whether you're not really doing anything with it. 758 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,640 And I think that could also lead down the path of like feeling 759 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,840 really overwhelmed because suddenly now you're like, oh, I 760 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,520 told myself and I grabbed these items and I'm going to do some 761 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,720 journaling around this. And then like you said, you're 762 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,600 3-4 weeks down the road and then, you know, you pick up 763 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,360 that, you know, receipt from coffee with your best friend and 764 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,680 you're like, wait, what happened there? 765 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,800 Great. Well, OK, now is my junk general 766 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,320 chronological? Like I can't move on to the next 767 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,960 thing. And I think that's where it 768 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,760 starts to kind of spin out a little bit. 769 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,440 And so it's like, if you know you're that type of person, 770 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,440 think there's anything wrong with giving yourself some rules 771 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,000 around it. You know, in that way you're not 772 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,920 just building up piles like I have off to the side of my 773 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,880 camera. I would love to know like in 774 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,719 terms of the rules and guidelines to help make junk 775 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,199 journaling, you know, more approachable or easy or whatnot, 776 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,280 What kind of rules have you set for yourself? 777 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,360 I mean, so for right now, the rule I set for myself is just 778 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,679 kind of keeping to like the shape, right? 779 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,360 What I love is the aesthetic of the stamp, right? 780 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,000 I just really love that stamp shape and it to me, it feels 781 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,159 almost like a passport. I've been calling like a stamp 782 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,040 passport or like a junk journal passport or something just 783 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,000 because it is the theme of the stamp. 784 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,640 So I, I bought myself one punch, right? 785 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,000 Because I was like, OK, I don't need all the different sized 786 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,080 punches. Do I want them? 787 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,520 Yes. Do I need them? 788 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,520 No. So like that was the first rule 789 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,480 I set for myself, especially as I started to go down this path. 790 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,880 I didn't want to go too crazy too fast. 791 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,000 That is always in me to do those things. 792 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,360 I know that about myself. The other thing with it has been 793 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,920 to allow things to go wrong, like, you know, that, you know, 794 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,480 I was showing you before like this Archer and Olive. 795 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,880 So like, these are all the packages from the last 796 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,200 subscription box, right? All the different cartoons and 797 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,400 things like that. I had a very specific pattern 798 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,000 that I was going for on this with like every other orange. 799 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,400 And I did really well until here. 800 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,720 And then I accidentally put two oranges together. 801 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,960 And then I was like, well, now it's ruined. 802 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,880 And then I was like, no, no, no, Mark, you're OK. 803 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,920 Just do more oranges, right? So like, that's an example where 804 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,360 I've just told myself, like part of me wanted no lie to like 805 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,200 second punch out the stamp shape I've already done with the paper 806 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,320 backing so that I could put it in the order that I wanted to 807 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,720 that was there and I stopped myself. 808 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,320 First of all, that would be ridiculous. 809 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,120 I would, I couldn't personally. That's a lot of work and I would 810 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,520 mess it up somehow. But just to be like, Mark, it's 811 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,640 OK. Like you don't have to show this 812 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,280 to anybody. I'm showing it to you. 813 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,720 But I'm just like, you know what? 814 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,400 I kind of like the way it looks now, you know, like I made it 815 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,120 into something. It's like, you know, what is 816 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,400 that? Bob Ross is like, you know, tiny 817 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,960 little mistakes or that's not a mistake. 818 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,480 That's a tree or whatever the hell is. 819 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,560 Happy little accidents. There you go. 820 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,240 Or that. But like, that's kind of how I'm 821 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,480 treating it. And so I'm also just like, yeah, 822 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,480 be a mental problem solver, you know, like really practice 823 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,080 problem solving with what you have. 824 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,960 We all have made a mistake in our notebook and pasted those 825 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,400 pages together or RIP them out. Just be OK with it. 826 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560 Just say, OK, OK, I'm learning from this. 827 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,400 Flip the page over and, you know, try it again later. 828 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,600 Be more aware, be more mindful, right? 829 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,840 Not just like throwing things on the page. 830 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,480 So those have been my main thing. 831 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,560 And then the last one I've done has been giving myself time 832 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,960 limits because if not, I know that first of all, my hyper 833 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,320 focus on this new hobby will fade. 834 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,080 I'm hoping that it does it because I'm really enjoying 835 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,280 myself creatively here. But I'm just like, OK, you 836 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,960 brought this into your house. You have two weeks to do this. 837 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,040 And I've so far been doing a pretty good job with it because 838 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,360 I also will sit it on my desk instead of putting it in a pile 839 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,040 somewhere else. And I have to move it out of the 840 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,240 way every time I need to get around it. 841 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,920 And so for myself, I know that I get fed up with that. 842 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,360 So there have been times when it's like been I'm like, I'm not 843 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,840 going to do this and I just put it in the recycling bin. 844 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,360 But other times where I'm like, OK, Mark, let's set a timer for 845 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,480 10 minutes. You said you were going to do 846 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,040 this. Let's go ahead and just kind of 847 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,080 like break these things down and, and kind of get it 848 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,480 organized. And that's been super helpful 849 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,880 for me. Do you have any rules for 850 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,880 yourself that you've set up as you've gone through? 851 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,640 Yeah, so mainly mine is around like the collecting. 852 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,520 So if we're collecting something to put into my junk journal, it 853 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,240 should be tied to something I want to remember because, you 854 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,400 know, purpose first. Mine's kind of a memory keeping. 855 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,200 So it should be something that either prompts a memory, aids in 856 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,800 a memory, or supports the memory. 857 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,320 So for instance, like I know last year Bugle and I took our 858 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,600 mini moon, mini honeymoon and one of the things that we got or 859 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,320 one of the things that we did while we were there was a 860 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,600 perfume making class. It was so much fun. 861 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,240 We had a great time. But when we got our things 862 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,720 packaged up, they had some tissue paper in the bag that had 863 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,440 like their logo on it and stuff. I'm like, OK, this is something 864 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,600 that will aid in a memory. Like I will keep that. 865 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,920 I could junk journal with that. Whereas, you know, if I've gone 866 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,840 away for like I've got a trip up coming, for instance, if I go 867 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,360 and collect Flyers and whatnot for things that I didn't 868 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,600 actually see, that doesn't aid in a memory. 869 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,480 That's just me like hoarding trash. 870 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,520 So not those kind of things. Yes to the things that actually 871 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,200 help with my memory prompts. My other rule for myself is more 872 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,200 so in the construction, and that is no scissors unless you are 873 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,400 going to be trimming around the outside of a page. 874 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,880 So it's like if something hangs off outside the notebook, you 875 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,360 can trim that away. That's OK. 876 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,320 But in terms of actually laying the elements down onto the page, 877 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,920 no scissors. So that means no fussy cutting. 878 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,560 All right, You're allowed to do fussy ripping. 879 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,960 You're allowed to RIP things out. 880 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,520 Because I think that the organic edges kind of make me feel a 881 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,560 little bit safer about there being other imperfections on the 882 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,400 page. Whereas if I was allowing 883 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,440 scissors for myself, I would start getting so particular 884 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,800 super snickety biscuit energy. I would be like, Oh no, the 885 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,720 exact diameter on this, like curved edge isn't perfect 886 00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,160 anymore. I can't possibly use it kind of 887 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,400 thing. And it would start to turn into 888 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,280 more work than fun, more of a chore than it was leisure. 889 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,320 So that's a rule for myself. And I do think that I would 890 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,240 probably benefit for some type of like time frame rule. 891 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,720 I don't currently have one still hoarding my materials from my 892 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,720 quarter one journal that I'm probably never going back to. 893 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,160 But I might have to like, you know, let myself say, hey, that 894 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,840 ship has sailed, it's time to move on. 895 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240 At the moment, I'm feeling like the soft deadline should just be 896 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,920 at the end of this quarter, Like, hey, get rid of your 897 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,800 quarter one materials at the end of quarter two. 898 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,800 That might work. You'll just have this like 899 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,360 forever backlog though of the previous quarters. 900 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,320 I hear what you're saying there because there's a piece of it 901 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,840 does feel like when you are scrapbooking because again, 902 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,640 we've all been here. We buy the materials, we have 903 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,880 the books, we have the things, we have the glues, we have the 904 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,680 tapes, the stickers, all of those things. 905 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,920 But it just never feels like the right time to do it because you 906 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,520 do have to take time out of your day or week or whatever that is 907 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,840 to give it time to work on it. But I think that there's like so 908 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,760 much power in allowing yourself to do that. 909 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,280 Literally scheduling time in the same way you would homework. 910 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,800 The same would you would, you know, would with extra work or 911 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,440 laundry or cleaning, like give yourself 30 minutes one day a 912 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,520 week to spend time on that and kind of just really dedicated to 913 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,640 it. And I think that's like a really 914 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,760 good way to like force yourself in there and it's actual time 915 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,400 that you're giving towards that versus trying to find it in 916 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,240 between calls or find it in between going out or chores or 917 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,000 whatever that might be. Yeah. 918 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,480 And I think also just letting yourself, if you're reminding 919 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,560 yourself that it does take time to learn, like you're allowed to 920 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,320 be a learner, it's allowed to be something that's new and a 921 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,080 little challenging and daunting and such. 922 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,080 But I think that the flexibility of the system does lend itself 923 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,480 very nicely to practicing techniques and skills. 924 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,760 And also if you have other creative hobbies that you enjoy, 925 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,240 you know, in particular, I'm thinking paper crafting ones, 926 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,440 but technically speaking, transfer skills are everywhere. 927 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,560 So you can probably apply it in other areas as well. 928 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,440 This is a really good opportunity to let your junk 929 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,160 journal be the practice and the play space, and then you can 930 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,000 bring those techniques into other areas, areas of your 931 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,880 creativity. One of the things I've seen 932 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,800 people do that I absolutely love and have not tried for myself, 933 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,000 but I'm very curious about is the idea of taking a piece of 934 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,960 sellotape, putting it over something that you want and 935 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,200 rubbing over that to really secure the tape and then just 936 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,720 like ripping it off the thing. I feel like that one is probably 937 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,120 a knack. I would end up like ruining so 938 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,000 many things, but I love the idea of it and I want to try it out. 939 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,400 I just haven't gotten myself there. 940 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,200 I've seen the same videos you have. 941 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,000 I see all the time. It's like how to create a cool 942 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,520 font. They're like, it's like they're 943 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,760 waxing someone like that's what it looks like. 944 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,840 I just know that I would do it. It would just RIP a hole in the 945 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,560 paper. Like I don't think that I'm 946 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,200 going to get the transfer that I'm looking for. 947 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,160 But I, I think the idea is that again, you're trying it right. 948 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,160 You're giving yourself the time, the space to give it a try. 949 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,080 And it probably is a skill that you have to figure out like what 950 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,960 is the right angle or have to hold it a certain way or how, 951 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,120 you know, how long do I, you know, go over top of that tape 952 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,760 over the thing before I pull it up? 953 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,520 Like, I'm sure there's a lot that goes into it, but I think 954 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,160 that's just something that could be really exciting about just 955 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,640 having a junk journal or a play journal even. 956 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,680 You know, like you don't want to give it a specific name or, or 957 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,960 again, it's almost like a research and development journal 958 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,000 for your junk journal, which I know goes against like 959 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,400 everything that we've talked about in this episode. 960 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,960 But I also don't think there's anything wrong with having like 961 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,520 a curated junk journal. You know, like I think that is 962 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,240 something that's super fun as long as it's not holding you 963 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,720 back from using it. I guess like that's where I'm 964 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,880 kind of coming from is like, there's nothing wrong with 965 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,160 having a bunch of pocket notebooks and being like, hey, 966 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,480 the same way you would with like a travelers notebook. 967 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,480 Like this notebook is for this topic. 968 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,280 This is for this topic. I mean, I have 3 kind of 969 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,960 versions of like my little like stamp Chuck journal things now 970 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,600 because I'm always just, I'm in my experimentation mode. 971 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,120 I'm like, oh, do I want it on a line? 972 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,040 Do I want it on a dot grid? You know, I've been thinking 973 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,320 about maybe using one of my blackout journals because I 974 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,520 think that would look really cool, right? 975 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,600 Like it's opening up ideas to me. 976 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,360 But I also have to really hold myself in and be like, Mark, 977 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,840 finish the one before you pick up the next one because then I'm 978 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,960 going to have like 4, like not even partially started junk 979 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,960 journals just because I know that's how I am. 980 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,680 So I'm I'm trying to be very focused about this one. 981 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,080 Yeah. I also think that another kind 982 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,320 of benefit of letting it be the play space, the experimental 983 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,600 space and all of those kind of things is that at least you're 984 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,080 experimenting with materials that in theory, we're just gonna 985 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,880 go in the recycling anyway. Like you're giving yourself an 986 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,920 opportunity to, you know, play around with collaging and you're 987 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,440 ripping things up and all of that type of thing with 988 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000 materials that you didn't hopefully pay an arm and a leg 989 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,840 for. That's kind of nice. 990 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,800 Yeah, that's how I feel about a lot of stuff, especially when 991 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,600 I'm seeing people use, like, grocery items to do it. 992 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,160 Like I've seen some people like punch out like chip bags and I 993 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,560 don't know how that works because I feel like the plastic 994 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,520 would just like RIP, like it wouldn't work out. 995 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,280 They figured it out though. But what I also really love 996 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,800 about this whole hobby jug journal thing and we've 997 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,840 mentioned a few times is paying attention a little bit more to 998 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,120 the things that usually you just pass by. 999 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,240 Like this seems like a very stupid one, but I was changing 1000 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:59,200 out my air filter for my AC system and the packaging on the 1001 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,360 front of the the filter actually had some really cool icons on 1002 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,880 it. It was like, you know, for dust 1003 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,560 and clean and all these things. And I haven't years I've been 1004 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,200 using the same filters, never even look twice at it. 1005 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,200 I crumple it up. I put that in recycling. 1006 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,520 I take the plastic wrap, I put that in the trash. 1007 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,680 I've been doing that for years. But when I started doing this, I 1008 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,280 was like, OK, like this is actually kind of cool. 1009 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,120 Like this is something that is neat and it looks really 1010 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,320 awesome. I've also been doing it. 1011 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,080 This is one of those other bad things too. 1012 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,360 But I feel like a junk person. But like Chipotle, for instance, 1013 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,520 right? If you I don't know, do you guys 1014 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,680 have Chipotle in New Zealand? We don't. 1015 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,400 We know what it is. We don't have it. 1016 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,000 So like their bag, I mean, this is just the bag that like the 1017 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,520 Chipotle food came in, but they've got such cool 1018 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,240 illustrations on their bags and stuff like that. 1019 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,760 And again, I mean, I've seen it as a designer, I pay a lot of 1020 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,280 attention to packaging, but that is something usually I would 1021 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,720 have just thrown away, right? But now I'm like, RIP out that 1022 00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:59,280 part. I didn't keep the whole bag 1023 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,800 after it was done. I just kept the part that I 1024 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,760 wanted. But that is just something that 1025 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,600 I would never have looked twice at it before. 1026 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,560 So it also I think, gives a lot of appreciation for art and 1027 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,600 design on what we think is just trash at the end of the day. 1028 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,200 Yeah, it's kind of almost becomes like a mindfulness 1029 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,520 activity because you are paying attention to things and being 1030 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,200 more mindful about the design elements on things and such and 1031 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,000 whether they could be, you know, supporting materials in your 1032 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,640 junk journal, if it's more for memory keeping or actually the 1033 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,160 kind of feature, if it's really just that kind of creativity 1034 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,840 aspect. But of course, Planet Pals, we 1035 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,600 would love to hear from you. Have you tried junk journaling 1036 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,960 or, you know, what are your kind of thoughts about it? 1037 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,840 Do you like it? Do you loathe it? 1038 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,600 Let us know either in the comments on YouTube or you can 1039 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,160 hit us up at planetpalspodcast@gmail.com or 1040 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,240 over on Instagram at Planet Pals Podcast. 1041 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,560 Well, thank you so much, Jess. I this is a great topic. 1042 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,640 I love being able to talk to people about this because 1043 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,120 everyone in my house right now is like, will you stop grabbing 1044 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,280 every piece of paper that you see everywhere? 1045 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,240 So it was a great topic in Planter Piles. 1046 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,440 We could not wait to hear from you down in the comments. 1047 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,720 And until next time, friends talk to you later.