1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,920 Welcome to the Planner Pals Podcast, a podcast hosted by 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,600 your two true planner pals. I am Jess or Jessie Curran. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,200 And my name is Mark, and I go by Mark your pages. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,200 Welcome back to the Planner Pals podcast. 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,960 Today's episode is going to be a good one because this is 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,880 something that I think all of us either do or have talked about. 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,040 And today, we're going to be talking about planning for work 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,280 versus planning for home, specifically, the importance of 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,720 planning for both of those things, the general differences 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,159 between the two and how planning for one versus the other is 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,480 important. But how's it all so different? 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,080 And just I'm curious for you as we get into this, what do you 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,000 find to be the most important thing about planning between 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,840 work and home? And I guess more importantly, do 15 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,640 you do those separately? I think that the biggest thing 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,920 for me is that idea of like striving for a work life balance 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,960 type thing. I mean, I feel like it's like 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,440 the mythical lands like Narnia or something. 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,280 Like can we actually achieve balance? 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,360 But if we kind of only put all of our in one basket and just 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,760 plan for home or just plan for work vice versa, then you can 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,200 kind of end up living a bit of an unbalanced life as kind of 23 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,640 result of that. So by kind of helping ourselves 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,200 out, I suppose by having spaces in our journals related to both 25 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,000 of those, it means that we are going to tend more in the 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,240 direction of being balanced rather than just like being a 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 complete homebody or only focusing on work all the time. 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,160 In terms of actually planning for both of those, I do not 29 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,960 think that my planning is particularly balanced between. 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,320 Would you say yours is quite balanced or not so much? 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,360 No, mine is completely 100% unbalanced. 32 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,360 I mean the entire reason I got started in my bullet journal was 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,520 based around work because that's where I'm using it the most and 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,160 I've been sprinkling in some personal stuff throughout the 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,240 years. But I do not really bullet 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:54,240 journal for home necessarily. I think everything for me is 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,600 definitely work. And then I would say more hobby 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,640 related specifically like bullet journaling, social media, 39 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,040 podcast, things along that, but more about like obtaining the 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,880 skills, the tasks, the notes of what's going on. 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,000 I really don't feel like I have anything too much really 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,400 happening at home where I feel like I need to do that very 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,480 much. I'm also realizing now that I'm 44 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,520 not very much of like I'll call like a long form journaler, 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,080 really a journaler necessarily as bullet journaling has always 46 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,080 been kind of my main focus always. 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,040 So everything that I've really done has been work focused, but 48 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,480 I will include some home things in my work bullet journal, but 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,440 it's mostly to remember events or appointments or birthdays or 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,600 things like that. Yeah, I think that mine would 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,400 probably be kind of similar. And in thinking about it, like 52 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,200 in preparing for this episode, I kind of got to thinking like, oh 53 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,120 gosh, have I like been neglecting all of the home 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,280 planning that other people are doing? 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,240 Kind of think about it very much in terms of my home related task 56 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,960 versus Vogels home related tasks. 57 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,800 And I'm like, if I feel, I feel like if I had a look at his 58 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,920 journal, it's probably just like stacks upon stacks of things 59 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,240 he's doing around the house. And I'm just like, well, I 60 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,840 scrubbed the toilet three months ago. 61 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,400 So like, don't come at me with all of your like. 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,880 Could you please help out? Yeah, a lot of the chores and 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,880 things like that for our house too, are not really things that 64 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,320 I feel like I have to remind myself to do. 65 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,760 I feel like we already have kind of a cadence in the house 66 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,480 anyway, You know, like I don't have to remind myself to do the 67 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,560 dishes because we're a family of four and that thing's getting 68 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,000 probably run every single night like most of the other things in 69 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,160 my life, at least from a home purpose I remember. 70 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,280 So the only things that would maybe put in there in like a 71 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,960 future log would be for like a bulk trash pickup. 72 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,920 Like that's not something that I remember. 73 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,720 I know that trash goes out on Monday. 74 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,360 Recycling is every other Tuesday like that I remember for the 75 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,880 most part. But something like a big thing 76 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,520 like bulk trash, it's not like, Oh, I know exactly when that is 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,520 like that'll go in my future log to remind me of, but I'm not 78 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,640 creating like a task list or really anything else about that. 79 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,800 It's more like, oh, that's happening. 80 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,760 We should see what we have to put out. 81 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,320 I guess that's also an interesting point of like when I 82 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,960 think about about home versus work planning, my home planning 83 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,080 default is just chores, just those things that you're doing 84 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,000 on like a weekly, monthly, whatever, daily maybe basis, 85 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,280 daily chores, ridiculous. But there's also a lot of other 86 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,400 things I suppose that would probably go into home planning 87 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,800 or planning for home. When I kind of think about it, 88 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,120 when I kind of expand on it outside of just the realm of 89 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,120 chores, it kind of ends up being more like work planning versus 90 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,480 personal planning. So what am I kind of doing in my 91 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,960 personal life with personal projects versus things that I'm 92 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,160 doing, business work, earning money and stuff so I can 93 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,440 survive? I think it's also very much 94 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,360 around like the executive function, if I'm using that term 95 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,960 correctly. I think everyone kind of 96 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,240 struggles or is OK with that executive function to remember 97 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,080 to do those certain things or kind of how those things are 98 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,200 supposed to happen. I don't want to use that too 99 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,280 generally there or be too specific, but I know a number of 100 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:53,480 people who have a personal journal for home. 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,680 You know, they're reminding themselves or checking things 102 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,200 off around their morning routine, making sure that 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,000 they're brushing their teeth, making sure that they're doing 104 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,480 whatever certain remedies or cares or things like that. 105 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,880 I don't know if that's necessarily something that they 106 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,320 have to remind themselves to do it versus just the action of 107 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,160 tracking, but I know for some people that's incredibly 108 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,440 helpful. They need that reminder that 109 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,840 step by step. And I think for myself, I don't 110 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:22,840 have anything that routine or following a certain method or 111 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,880 documenting it in a certain way that I feel like I need to do 112 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,280 that to remind myself to do that. 113 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,400 But I think for others, that might be a really big difference 114 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,160 in how a bullet journal or journaling as a whole and 115 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,960 tracking could be helpful for them at home. 116 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,560 It's just not something that I personally do or feel like I 117 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,160 personally need to do. Yeah, no, the, the teeth 118 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,320 brushing one is one that I continuously bring back into my 119 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,240 trackers because for the longest time my queue or the thing that 120 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,720 would kind of prompt me to brush my teeth was you're leaving the 121 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,320 house. You don't want to go out and 122 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,560 smell like stank breath like, but I don't leave the house 123 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,320 anymore. So now that queue that I've 124 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,320 relied on and that I built up over years of leaving the house, 125 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,840 going to school, then going to school as a teacher, all of 126 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,400 that, I don't have that anymore. So sometimes bringing that into 127 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,520 my journal as something that I'm tracking to literally remind me 128 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,960 to say, hey girl, go brush your teeth. 129 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,040 Sometimes I need that. Well, you know, and I think 130 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,400 that's an important piece, like if you need that to help you 131 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,120 kind of function, that's a great example of something you can do 132 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,000 for home. I think for me, it's just always 133 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,520 been where I needed the most help has been around work and 134 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,600 tracking and remembering the things that are going on there. 135 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,160 So like most other things also are happening within the family. 136 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,400 So I have my wife as an individual person who doesn't 137 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,480 need a bullet journal, doesn't need a reminder. 138 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,560 It lives all up here. She's got excellent executive 139 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,280 function where I don't. She is thinking about what's 140 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:51,960 happening next. She knows the dates. 141 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Kind of all those typical things, right? 142 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,360 Stereotypical things of a fantastic wife and a dumb, dumb 143 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,160 husband, but it's just something that's like not top of mind. 144 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,320 But if I write it down and I look at it, I know that I'm 145 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,560 good. But that's for everything, 146 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:06,920 honestly. That's not just for like 147 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,880 personal home things, that's even for work. 148 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,000 You know, there's things that happen. 149 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,760 I have to see it on my calendar. And I'm noticing now too, how I 150 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,400 need to be even more mindful about that because like part of 151 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,720 my job is like setting up the agendas for our team meetings or 152 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,720 meeting with other executives and things like that. 153 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,520 And sometimes I'll find myself like completely forgetting that 154 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,840 it's coming up and someone on my team will remind me. 155 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,640 I'm like, that's my job up though, like I should know that 156 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,160 that's happening. And so I'm thinking about things 157 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,360 for myself even in my work journal though, similar to what 158 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,720 we just talked about for like the daily at home as like a 159 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,640 checklist almost to like remind myself to look ahead a week or 160 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,440 two in my calendar or my schedule for those things. 161 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,040 Because those are the areas where I feel like I need the 162 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,600 most help. Or I'm not remembering to do 163 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,640 those things where, you know, brushing my teeth or, you know, 164 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,320 washing my hair in the morning or whatever. 165 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,880 That might be totally different. I can also wear a hat. 166 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,960 So you know, I also don't need to do everything all the time. 167 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,320 I'm pretty sure I could fit all of this under a hat. 168 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,480 It might just be very uncomfortable, but I think 169 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,960 that's interesting. Also, like the style of things 170 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,320 that we're setting up for home versus work probably do have 171 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,440 some differences. We think about like, you know, 172 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,240 tracking in terms of personal daily rituals and stuff like 173 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,920 that. Are we tracking those kind of 174 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,480 things for work? Are there daily rituals at work 175 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,760 that need to be tracked rather than ones that are kind of 176 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,000 written down in like a task list? 177 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,240 And I suppose that really depends on what kind of line of 178 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,600 work people are in. Of course, I don't think there's 179 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,920 anything that I would need to track on a daily basis 180 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,200 specifically that would be for work. 181 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,159 Do you have any work routines or habits that you track or? 182 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:42,240 I mean ones that I feel like I need to or that are reoccurring 183 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,400 every single week. So like every Monday morning, 184 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,640 for instance, I have to remind myself of a handful of things. 185 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,840 So here's a great example. I have to approve last week's 186 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,840 timesheets for any of our contractors. 187 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,080 That needs to happen every Monday. 188 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,520 It should happen every Monday morning. 189 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,920 But sometimes I will forget and I'll get a message at like 530 190 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,520 like, hey, can you approve my timesheet? 191 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,440 So like that needs to happen. I have a Monday morning meeting 192 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,760 that I set up. I have a a Monday schedule that 193 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,520 I do for the team, like the out of office. 194 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,400 What's our week look like? And then also like I mentioned, 195 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,480 I'm supposed to be looking ahead at meetings and sending out 196 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,400 early agendas, but I always kind of go through there. 197 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,400 So I actually thought recently of just maybe just printing out 198 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,520 something that I can just stick in my weekly just to remind me 199 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,720 because I have to do it every single week, but I don't want to 200 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,760 have to write it down every single week. 201 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Like that just seems like very repetitive, but I know that I 202 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,480 need to do it and it would be super helpful. 203 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,960 So those would be my like scheduled things that I know 204 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,040 that I have to do that sometimes just slip my mind because once I 205 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,840 sit down at my computer, so many things start to come at you. 206 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,880 Emails and you know, people messaging you already first 207 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,160 thing in the morning. Like no, mark, you need to focus 208 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,840 to do these things. Like this is what it's for. 209 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,560 But I also feel like I don't know if every calendar e-mail 210 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:56,640 service does this, but we're using like the Microsoft Sphere 211 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,360 at work. And I just noticed something 212 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,920 that Microsoft is doing now. It's called like via or 213 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,880 something like that. It's like all based around 214 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,520 mental health and reminders and like tracking your time. 215 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,320 And I actually find it to be very helpful. 216 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,720 I know that we're going to be talking more about tools 217 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,640 specifically that are helping you to do achieve these things, 218 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,000 digital versus analog, for home or for work. 219 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,040 But I'm just bringing it up now because it's actually very on 220 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,160 point because the other day it was like, I set this thing up. 221 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,000 So every day it'll do a virtual commute is what it's calling it. 222 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,560 So for the remote team members out there, I thought this was 223 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,240 actually really awesome and I'm going to jotted it down as an 224 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,640 idea maybe to talk about in the future YouTube video too. 225 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,040 But you set a time for a virtual commute because usually when you 226 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,000 are driving to the office, you have that 2030 minute hour, 227 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,120 depending where you live commute, you're not working, 228 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,240 you're not checking emails, You have that time. 229 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,320 And Microsoft now is allowing you to schedule that for 230 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,960 yourself as like a virtual commute to like, like shut it 231 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,720 down, have that time and then kind of depart from work, which 232 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,480 I really liked. It's also doing mood tracking 233 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,840 now. It asked me at the end of the 234 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,920 day how I felt about my day. And then it also was doing a 235 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,480 review of tasks, but it's using Microsoft List, which I don't 236 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,840 use. I use my bullet journal. 237 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,160 And the other day I really was like, oh gosh, like maybe I 238 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,160 should be using this because it's automatically prompting me 239 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,720 to do these things or I need to set those alarms almost for 240 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,400 myself and my calendar to remind me. 241 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,080 Like maybe that should be a Monday morning reminder for 242 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,360 myself about those tasks that I need to do versus setting it 243 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,000 inside of my bullet journal. I don't know. 244 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,280 But I think that there are definitely pros and cons to it, 245 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,200 but also a major divide for myself between digital and 246 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,000 analog, for those things where I think a lot of people may have 247 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,440 that same type of internal fighting of what's personal and 248 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,160 what's work and should they be the same, in the same spot or 249 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,640 potentially different too. Yeah, I think that's a good 250 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,680 point also is that like sometimes we do use different 251 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:52,560 tools for those different areas of our life. 252 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,200 Like, you know, your work tasks and all of those might be housed 253 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,120 in a completely different notebook or a completely 254 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,200 different system. You might be doing it digitally. 255 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,040 It might be enforced by your employer. 256 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,360 That could also be a thing. I know some people have a work 257 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,760 phone and then obviously you're going to have certain apps and 258 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,360 stuff on that that are different to your personal phone because 259 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,840 it's just related to a different area of your life. 260 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,840 And then I guess it's how do we not necessarily combine them 261 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,200 because they're not necessarily what we're trying to do, but 262 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,480 it's like how do we manage both of those in our overall kind of 263 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,920 organizational system to get ourselves, you know, cool, calm, 264 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,480 collective and keep ourselves productive and on the train. 265 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,280 Like in both areas, it can be kind of hard when they don't 266 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,760 necessarily work well together. I suppose because my work, when 267 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,240 I used to be a teacher, we also use the Microsoft products, 268 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,800 which are kind of just my preference. 269 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,800 So I've continued to use them now as I work for myself, but I 270 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,840 find that keeping things separate has not worked well for 271 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,320 me previously. Mainly because if I tried to, I 272 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,840 found that all of the home and personal stuff was like 273 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,240 literally just chores related. And it was the most demotivating 274 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,560 thing I have ever had in my planning system. 275 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,520 So I was like, OK, I need to have them together. 276 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,600 So there's a little bit of variance in what kind of content 277 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,480 is going into the home space because I was blending it with 278 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,120 work, which also just leads me to not balance my work and home 279 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,080 life very well. But that's a whole other kettle 280 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,680 of fish, I suppose, in terms of like the, I guess, products 281 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,000 quote, quote that you use for home planning versus work 282 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,440 planning. I know you literally just said 283 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,240 that you work plan more than your home plan, but what kind of 284 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,040 differences would there be if you were using systems for both 285 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,840 of those? So I would say that my home 286 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,680 organization is much more digital. 287 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:39,600 So we have, you know, I'm using e-mail, I'm flagging things that 288 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,800 I have to remind myself to do. I might have small things I have 289 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,920 to remind myself of, like I said, appointments and things 290 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,000 like that that I will throw into my bullet journal. 291 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,400 I did set up, I call it like my desk bullet journal. 292 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:50,760 It's separate than my work journal. 293 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,880 But I find that this is actually more revolving around social 294 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,000 media and mark your pages than it is necessarily home tasks and 295 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,640 things like that. I mean, everything else at home, 296 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,000 we shared digital calendar that we're using just on our iPhones 297 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,800 and inviting each other to remind each other of those types 298 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,840 of things. But everything else really is 299 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,560 just us talking out loud. Really it's my wife talking out 300 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:13,480 loud, reminding me of things we have to do or just kind of spur 301 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,200 the moment. I think a lot of the times it's 302 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,600 just like, oh, we said we wanted to do this yard work this 303 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,520 weekend during the week, and so it gets there and we just know 304 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,520 that that's what has to be done. I don't have to write that down 305 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,560 for a mind myself necessarily. Or there's like a project that I 306 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,000 started and didn't finish. Well, I can see that it's 307 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,120 unfinished and I have to walk past it all the time. 308 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,800 So that's my visual reminder that that thing has to be done. 309 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,960 Whereas for work is very much analog for me personally, but my 310 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,800 entire team is digital. We're a fully remote team. 311 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,400 So all the tools that we're using, how we communicate, 312 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,600 everything is digital. But for myself, my own personal 313 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,120 organization, it's my bullet journal 1st and then anything 314 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,840 I'm writing down or doing, then I eventually have to translate 315 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,280 into a digital space. It was just my friends at work 316 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,320 were laughing at me the other day because I was showing them 317 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,120 something in Miro, right? So just a collaborative work 318 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,560 board, but I took a picture of my bullet journal and then put 319 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,600 the pictures on there because I had written out these notes and 320 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,200 kind of drawn out this process of what I was thinking. 321 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,400 And it was just easier for me to write it down and just take a 322 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,840 picture of it and put it in there than it was for me to like 323 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,240 start there or recreate it digitally. 324 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,120 I'd already done the work, they just had to give their feedback 325 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,640 on it. But there are times like that, 326 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,640 though, where I feel like, Mark, you have to remember to 327 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,440 translate this into where everyone else is working because 328 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,120 not everyone can read your journal. 329 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,480 You're not in the office anymore. 330 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,120 I guess that's also a point I like because you work with other 331 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,680 people and you have a team in there in a digital space as 332 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,760 well. You kind of have to accommodate 333 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,800 them in a way. Yeah, it definitely is. 334 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,200 I think about you often when we talk about this because you are 335 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,680 in such a very like specialized kind of place because until you 336 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,560 hire more people for the true team, Jessie, I think that you 337 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:58,920 know, you're, you're kind of on your own. 338 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,680 So everything you're doing is really for yourself inside of 339 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,240 there. But like what about your, you 340 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,040 mentioned before that your work home is separate, but like kind 341 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,200 of involved, Like what tools are you all using I guess for 342 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,400 yourself and and your significant other versus just 343 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,600 yourself for social media? Mine's less about like you know, 344 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,200 home is more digital and work is more analogue or anything like 345 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,600 that. Both of them are very much kind 346 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,960 of blended systems, more so leaning on the analogue than it 347 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,040 is on the digital. So the digital kind of like 348 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,720 augments or like supplements, I suppose the overall planning 349 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,760 system I have. So in terms of work, the only 350 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,560 thing that I really do digitally for work is Notion. 351 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,760 I use Notion to plan out when video contents coming out, 352 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,160 mainly because I can drag and drop things, so when I decide 353 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,760 that I can't get a particular video done, I can put it on 354 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,640 another week. I could bring another video idea 355 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,760 in and that's also a really good place to just plan out the 356 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,360 videos as well. I don't like writing long 357 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,840 handwritten notes, so if I want to write out like a script or 358 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,400 any kind of like talking points or anything like that, it's just 359 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,160 way easier to do that digitally than in a notebook. 360 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,880 It'll also end up being a lot more legible and a lot more user 361 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,400 friendly for me later. Doing future me a favour there 362 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,160 In terms of digital for home, though, it's really just a 363 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,160 shared calendar that does not get as utilized as it could 364 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,079 because Vogel still ends up asking me like, oh, when's your 365 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Carrie's birthday party happening? 366 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,319 I'm like, I put it on the shared calendar. 367 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:30,840 If you check, you would know this fine when all this effort 368 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,800 to set it up and he doesn't even use it sounds like his bullet 369 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,640 journal, but it's fine. So we've got my journal fleet, I 370 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,360 suppose. And then in that we have the one 371 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:45,000 that's kind of primarily, I guess for work would be all of 372 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,320 them. Now, as I think about it, 373 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,720 because setting up journals is my work. 374 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,920 So it doesn't really having them separated becomes really tricky 375 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,640 when the way that you're effectively making money and you 376 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,840 know, your profession is making journal content. 377 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,040 And it's also the way you organize your life. 378 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,680 So I find that the separation is a little bit hard to achieve 379 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,720 because they're so kind of like intertwined with one another. 380 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,440 It's definitely helpful in our space when the content you're 381 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:17,200 creating revolves around what you're using to do that. 382 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,560 I think very much about when I first started my bullet journal 383 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,560 account. I mean, I couldn't have the 384 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,240 account without the bullet journal, and I needed the bullet 385 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,640 journal to really help me continue to succeed at work. 386 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,280 So really the content feeds itself. 387 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,280 I mean, I find personally the hardest stuff for me to create 388 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,000 is the stuff that has to be kind of of like thought up out of the 389 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,080 blue. Like right now you and I are 390 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,200 both on the Archer and all of the ambassador team. 391 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,880 And so we're required each month to create content and blog post 392 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,680 and do all of this. And I appreciate it because it 393 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,640 does help me kind of think outside of my normal, right, 394 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,000 Like how would I use these things? 395 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,800 And a lot of the times I'm just like, well, it's not that I'm an 396 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,400 overly creative planner, so I can't really like, come out with 397 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,520 these like how to make up travel spread for the next six months. 398 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,480 You know, I don't know, I'm making random things up there. 399 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,760 Have you been reading my blog post? 400 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,280 Oh my God, that's literally what I'm writing, right? 401 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,400 Now, well see, that's the thing. Like you have all of those 402 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,880 creative ideas and can kind of think through those things, but 403 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,440 like my brain just for whatever reason doesn't work that way. 404 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:23,120 So a lot of the times I'm like, okay, how to use acrylic graphs. 405 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:26,040 So, you know, and, and, but how would I use them and how do I 406 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,920 use them in my journal or whatever that might be? 407 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,760 Whereas like making a weekly spread in my bullet journal, 408 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,120 something that I am doing anyway because I need to do that for 409 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,480 work. So just record that and use that 410 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,520 as content, right? I'm using my bullet journal 411 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,720 throughout the weeks. I'm creating ideas for work 412 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,320 spreads and things like that. Like it's just wonderful when 413 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,080 you have to do that and you're just going to remind yourself, 414 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,240 we'll just record that because that's it's content. 415 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,480 It also gets in the way a lot of the times too. 416 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,800 I'm not going to lie. And I'm sure you have the same 417 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,640 exact, you know, situation where you're like, I just need to do 418 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,080 this thing. You're like, but where is my 419 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,280 camera lights action? You're like, you were just 420 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,160 running down a mote mark. Like it is not that big of a 421 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,080 deal. But I think that it's super 422 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,760 helpful though, when it's like that versus an account for like 423 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,240 sewing or some other hobby type account. 424 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,240 It's not directly related with what we do day-to-day. 425 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,640 So it's maybe a little bit difficult or a different mind. 426 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,440 Like for us, it's just always there, I feel like. 427 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,120 Yeah, it can also be kind of an interesting but tricky 428 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,400 relationship in a way because, OK, you start your planner 429 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,320 because you need to plan. You know, you have things you 430 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,520 need to organize in your life. You need to write stuff down, 431 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,440 but then you start taking pictures of it and sharing it on 432 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,320 Instagram or making videos of it and sharing it on YouTube and 433 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,360 stuff. And so where does it become? 434 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,120 I am planning because I need to plan and I'm also filming it 435 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:47,560 just to share because versus I'm planning because I need 436 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,920 something to film to share it. I also think that's why a lot of 437 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,280 creators that have burnt out or are not around anymore, maybe 438 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,240 for that exact reason, they had created a bullet journal for 439 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,480 maybe a time and place in their life and they no longer needed 440 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,200 that, but maybe they'd gain a following. 441 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,200 And so they're creating and pumping out content just for the 442 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,760 sake of it and never really using it. 443 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,240 I mean, I know of at least two creators in the past that I've 444 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,160 like talked to and especially earlier on where I was like, I 445 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,360 love your stuff. It's so amazing to see all these 446 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,640 ideas. Like, do you ever post like 447 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,120 after the pens? They were like, you know, don't 448 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:23,760 tell anybody body, but I don't use any of this in my daily 449 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,640 life. So they were really creating 450 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,080 bullet journal content. One of them specifically didn't 451 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,880 even know what the bullet journal method was. 452 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,840 They were like, I saw that there is this thing bullet journaling. 453 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,040 So I started to do it, but I don't like use it or anything. 454 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,920 And that just like floored me. And I was like, Oh my gosh, wait 455 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,320 a second. Like how are you putting all 456 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,520 content around bullet journaling, but you don't use 457 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,600 the bullet journal method? And I think that's earlier on in 458 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,640 my mind, right? The two are the same. 459 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,120 Your bullet journal, you use the bullet journal method, but it 460 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,480 wasn't until years later and even a lot recently you and I 461 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,080 talked about that, that like creative planning isn't 462 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,240 necessarily always bullet journaling, but sometimes bullet 463 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,920 journaling is creative planning, right? 464 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,720 Like it's, it's a, there's a bullet journal method and then 465 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,920 there's creative planning. And some people just do the 466 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,320 creative planning as a way to do whatever. 467 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,280 And bullet journal is the Kleenex of tissue, right? 468 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,640 It's just what you call the thing where some people are 469 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,240 actually using, like myself, the bullet journal method, but I am 470 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,920 doing some creative planning inside of there. 471 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,160 And so I don't know. It's just, it was a very hard 472 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,040 thing for me to be like, well, how do you do this without using 473 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,600 it? I I just don't know, just it 474 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,880 hurts my brain to think about. It, I like your point of it 475 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,960 being the kind of like Kleenex of the journaling world. 476 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,760 I suppose we've just taken that term and started to apply it to 477 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,240 things that don't necessarily relate to the original method. 478 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,360 But I also like the idea of, you know, creative journaling versus 479 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:47,600 maybe bullet journaling or what I'm going to call like 480 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,920 functional journaling or functional planning. 481 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,600 And possibly that could be something that there's like a 482 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,160 difference point for people in terms of how they plan for home 483 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,280 versus how they plan for work. Like maybe one of those is more 484 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,440 of a creative space for them. The other one is more of just 485 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,240 like a purely functional stripped back kind of thing. 486 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,360 I know for me, I found that even when I was working as a teacher, 487 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,080 it still had to be kind of creative. 488 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,360 Otherwise I didn't like to look at it, I wouldn't use it. 489 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:12,640 And then there was number point to it. 490 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,760 But for your style you do tend towards the more like stripped 491 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,040 back functional esque kind of layout say. 492 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,680 I do and then every now and again I throw something in like 493 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,320 this week was distressed oxide. You know, I popped that out of 494 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,520 my stationary box and I was like, let's use this this week. 495 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,320 But it's actually honestly, if anyone wants to be like, Mark, 496 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,280 how does your brain work? I always talk about this idea of 497 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,160 having the foundation down 1st and then kind of adding to it. 498 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,040 So like this past week, for instance, in my bullet journal, 499 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,040 it's exactly it. I had laid it out for what I 500 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,320 needed, which was like a very small daily overview for each 501 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,960 day of the week and then room for notes and room for tasks and 502 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,280 capacity planning that I do for my team, right? 503 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,240 And once that was in set, then I laid kind of that creative, the 504 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,360 distress oxide over top of that because it's the icing to the 505 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,400 cake for me. I don't need the icing, but 506 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,520 icing is delicious. But it was that I had everything 507 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,600 kind of set there and ready to go. 508 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,960 And so that's exactly it. I think sometimes where I get 509 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,040 myself caught up where I'm like, no, I'm more functional 510 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,360 planning. But then I do add stickers and 511 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,200 stamps and distressed oxide and all this fun stuff to it. 512 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,760 But it's always in addition to a solid foundation that I have 513 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,000 first because when I've done it the other way around, you get 514 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,160 through and you're like, I have a bubble that's this big. 515 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,000 I can only write two things that I need to write 10 things inside 516 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,800 of it. It kind of threw me off a lot 517 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,920 where then I reset myself and said, always mark foundation 518 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,280 first, then icing on top. So just I'm actually curious, 519 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,720 like talking about that, right? This functionality and the kind 520 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,160 of adding the things on top of it. 521 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,840 I feel like you are the queen of themes. 522 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,120 You are the queen of also really smart, important techniques that 523 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,680 people can use. I'm curious of what techniques 524 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,520 you find yourself using. Whether this is for home, your 525 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,440 bullet journal, weeklies are kind of how you approach design 526 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,760 problem solving. Yeah, I think that when I was in 527 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,120 a more structured profession 1, where I had to stick literally 528 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:13,400 to a timetable because I was a teacher, I found that things 529 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,920 that were very much related to kind of like schedules, time 530 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,600 batching, that kind of stuff were really more necessary. 531 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,080 Nowadays when I'm working for myself and I'm a little bit more 532 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,840 flexible with my time is like, do I want to work at 10:00 PM? 533 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,960 Sure, why not? There's nobody here to stop me, 534 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,120 which is so dangerous. But I find that layouts that 535 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:35,880 really rely on tables, especially things like Alistair 536 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,760 method tables, whether that be kind of like workflows in terms 537 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,040 of, hey, here's a series of projects you need to do 538 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,000 spoilers, They're all videos. So here are all the videos you 539 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,280 need to do and here are all of the steps you need to take to 540 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,360 work on them. Those kind of structures I find 541 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,000 I'm very attached to, I'm very drawn to those ones and I use 542 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,720 them quite a lot at work. And now as we've kind of gotten 543 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,840 onto this topic, I'm thinking about like, how could I use them 544 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,560 at home as well in a way that would be, well, one, I'd 545 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,400 actually use it, That'd be nice so I can to be a better life 546 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,080 partner. And three, Vogel can stop 547 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,200 bitching at me. That'd be nice. 548 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,440 Yeah. In terms of the homework, 549 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,040 homework, the work around the house, that is very much more of 550 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,360 his kettle of fish rather than mine. 551 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,160 And I could do better at planning for those kind of 552 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,520 things. So I am starting to think more 553 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,720 about like, OK, well, what kind of layouts could I set up in 554 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,720 that space that I would find approachable because I've used 555 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,560 them previously, I found success with them in my work kind of 556 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,880 related life, bring those into the home space and actually make 557 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,240 better use of those. In terms of the home related 558 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,520 layouts that I have thus far, my main one would probably just be 559 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,240 my home projects list. And that's just a list like it's 560 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,560 literally in the title. So that one's kind of easy. 561 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,200 But outside of that, I don't think I have anything 562 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,640 specifically home like house related. 563 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,280 Do you have any kind of techniques in particular that 564 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,160 you're drawn towards often in either area? 565 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,680 I would say that it's definitely more leaning towards work, but I 566 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,320 can see how this could be very useful if you have a lot of home 567 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,040 things going on. So there's two techniques or 568 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,640 methods that I specifically use relatively often. 569 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,200 I would say the first is the Eisenhower method. 570 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,680 So that is the kind of the four quadrant box the do decide, 571 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,280 delegate and delete and plotting those things on there I will 572 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,560 bring out of the toolbox, especially when I feel like I 573 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,040 have a lot going on all at once. And so I'll do that for work a 574 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,560 lot where I'll just like brain dump all the things that I feel 575 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,080 like have to be done. And then I'll go ahead and like 576 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,440 take a moment and kind of plot them inside of that matrix to 577 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,480 help me just kind of understand and break it down and sometimes 578 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,800 prioritize. And then the other one is 579 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,600 probably my most favorite. I don't always use this exactly 580 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,880 as it is created, but it's called Ivy Lee Method. 581 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,040 And this is one that I learned a number of years ago, actually 582 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,240 from James Clearhead wrote about this in one of his books and 583 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,240 journals that he did with Baron Fig in the back. 584 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,960 And I was like, I really love this. 585 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,120 For anyone who doesn't know what the Ivy Lee Method is, is this 586 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,840 method created by Ivy Lee? He was hired by this big company 587 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,800 essentially to come in and like, help all of their executives be 588 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,960 more productive. There's also this really fun 589 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,400 story behind it where the owner of the company was like, how 590 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,280 much do I owe you? And Ivy Lee was like, like, I'm 591 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,160 going to teach everyone this method, and then you decide what 592 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,680 you're going to pay me afterwards, which is the 593 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,120 ballsiest baller move ever in the entire world, right? 594 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,760 But essentially what the method does is help you plan in advance 595 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,200 for your day. And what you're supposed to do 596 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,160 in this is every single day the day before it. 597 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,000 So like, let's say you are going to work on a Monday. 598 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,240 On Sunday night, you write down the six most important things 599 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,760 you have to do tomorrow and you actually list them out one 600 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,720 through 6. And that way when you come to 601 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,240 work on Monday, you know exactly what you have to get done. 602 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,760 And you don't change your list and you don't move on to the 603 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,600 next one until you accomplish the first task that you give for 604 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,360 yourself. And then by the end of the day 605 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,120 for Tuesday, before you leave on Monday night, you do the same 606 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,120 exact thing. And I love this for a number of 607 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,760 reasons. I think one, it kind of helps 608 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,360 with that bullet journal methodology of the daily log 609 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,000 because you set up your day, your six most important things 610 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,880 and then you kind of like rapid logging below that, your task 611 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,080 and your notes and whatever else. 612 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,920 But then you're taking a moment at the end of your day to 613 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,080 reflect on that day and set it up for the next day. 614 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,520 And so that's actually one I have brought into play a number 615 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,480 of times. Sometimes I won't do six. 616 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,080 I might do like my big three or something like that, I'll call 617 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,840 them. But it very much plays off of 618 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,080 like, these are the most important things you have to do 619 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,800 today, and they have to get done today in order. 620 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,840 Because I've thought about it and it's one that I've shared 621 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,160 with others. And the fun part of the story at 622 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,760 the end, essentially, is that he taught everyone how to do this. 623 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,120 And then he came and said, OK, what do you want to pay me? 624 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,120 And the owner was like, oh, I'm going to pay you. 625 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,360 I forget X amount of money, which ended up being like 626 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,080 $1,000,000 back in the day. At this time, there's probably a 627 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,240 lot more dates and specific things around that story that I 628 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,840 should know. But really the big idea here is 629 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,120 that you are setting yourself up for success the day before. 630 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,520 You're prioritizing yourself the day before. 631 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,040 So you come to work or come into whatever situation the next day 632 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,520 with a list of things you already have to do. 633 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,840 So there's no morning paralysis because you've already thought 634 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,400 through it and nothing is going to change this. 635 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,600 And I just really like that. And so often again, whenever I 636 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,720 feel like I'm all over the place, I going to bring a method 637 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,880 into place. I mean, technically I feel like 638 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,480 bullet journal is supposed to be doing this for us too. 639 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,760 It's in the method. So you don't feel that way. 640 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,200 But sometimes I need to bring in other things just to be like, 641 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,840 this is different, this is new and you're going to follow this 642 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,680 process for the week. And then I end up just going 643 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,440 back to just daily logging or weekly logging for my bullet 644 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,800 journal. And I feel OK. 645 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,040 But those are probably the two that I say I bring in most 646 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,480 often. Again, I don't necessarily use 647 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,920 them for home because the home tasks like we've already talked 648 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,440 about are not that urgent or important as much as the work 649 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,200 ones are for myself. I think that's really, it's very 650 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,320 good to say that kind of technique that like you very 651 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,000 much could use it in your home life, though it doesn't have to 652 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,280 just be in work life, even if it's kind of typically talked 653 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,080 about in that space. Like I don't really see myself 654 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,280 probably setting up an Eisenhower matrix for home 655 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,920 tasks. It's just not one that really 656 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,360 resonates with me. But the idea of setting up like 657 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,280 your top six and actually sequencing them, that is the 658 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,800 kind of thing that makes my brain happy. 659 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,480 I find that I kind of do a very soft version of this in the in 660 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,160 the days where I'm just like everything is everywhere. 661 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,680 I'm a scatterbrained mess. I have no idea what I need to 662 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,080 do. In fact, actually I do have a 663 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,080 really good idea of it and that's why I'm overwhelmed or 664 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,120 something like that. Whatever. 665 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760 I find that just setting aside like this is the daily 666 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160 highlight. This is the one thing that if I 667 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,120 get to the end of the day and I finished it, I will feel 668 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,120 accomplished often knowing that I will work on other things and 669 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,200 there will be other things that I make progress on in some way. 670 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,080 But just setting it aside is like this is the one thing, this 671 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560 is the focus. And then if I finish that, OK, 672 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,560 let's pick the next focus. I guess in the idea of making it 673 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,720 a sequence of six, you've already got the next ones picked 674 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,120 out for yourself. But I also really like the idea 675 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,800 of setting it the day before or on a Friday if you're going to 676 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,640 work on a Monday because it's just doing future you a favor. 677 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,760 Like future you does not have to make the choice because current 678 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,640 you who has a better understanding of everything 679 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,160 that's going on or what is making that choice for you. 680 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,680 That's really cool. I like that. 681 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,680 What I think I like the most about, whether it's bullet 682 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,800 journaling or planning or really honestly, I DIY journal 683 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,360 altogether, just a Doc grid notebook, is that nothing is set 684 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,600 for you. I know some people like to have 685 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,640 those planners with the dates of the specific things in it that 686 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040 they're looking for, and I think if that works for you, that's 687 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,200 fantastic. But what I have always loved 688 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,400 about the way that I've planned essentially with a blank 689 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,400 notebook is that I can pull in these tools when I need them and 690 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,080 then kind of take them out of my life when I don't go back to 691 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,800 what I need. Versus I feel like if every week 692 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,640 started with some type of a template where I did that, I 693 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,760 just don't know in practice that I would want to use that all the 694 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,040 time. Because sometimes I feel like 695 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,640 I've got it and I'm on top of it. 696 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,000 I know exactly what I have to do. 697 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,280 But it's those moments when I feel out of control where I'm 698 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,480 very thankful that I've educated myself around these different 699 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160 methodologies so that I can kind of pick it off the shelf when I 700 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,320 need it and put it right back up there for when I don't. 701 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,400 I feel like we're definitely going to have to have an episode 702 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,840 which is just like favorite productivity and get shit done 703 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,920 kind of tips because like that's just a space that I could talk 704 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,920 for a very long time about. So we're not going to do it this 705 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,080 time. We already have a focus, but I 706 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,280 think that would be a fun topic for a future episode. 707 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,160 It would be, and I could get the details of my Ivy League story 708 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,600 like nailed down. So it probably makes a lot more 709 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,480 sense. But I guess just let me, you 710 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,600 know, let's give a little preview of what that episode 711 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,160 might look like, especially around work versus home. 712 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,000 Are there any like specific tips that you have, whether you've 713 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,720 learned or that you give to others or for all the other 714 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,120 planner pals that you think is like your top tip for the 715 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,840 difference or planning for work versus home or even combining 716 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,800 them or separating them? I think that one of the bigger 717 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,520 tips that I would have for this is if you are finding that you 718 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,560 cannot keep up with one journal, do not introduce another. 719 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,120 Like do not split things out to be like a home journal and a 720 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,880 work journal. If you can't even keep up with 721 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,480 one. That's not me trying to be mean 722 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,040 to you. All right? 723 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,760 I'm saying this with so much love. 724 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,239 Instead, what I would probably recommend would be to either 725 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,800 like section out your notebook so things are still all in the 726 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,840 one space. You know, you don't have to add 727 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,520 additional things into your lineup to keep track of. 728 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,360 One of the ways you can do this is literally just by having like 729 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,320 front half and back half. So you could have like a certain 730 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,000 section that you kind of start from to do your home or work, 731 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,360 whichever one you want to put in whichever space. 732 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,880 But what I have seen some people do is like they literally take 733 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,760 their notebook and the front half is work and then they start 734 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,680 working from the back to do home. 735 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,680 So you just start from the Backpage and go, I guess forward 736 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,040 from there backward. How would we describe that? 737 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,760 That would be one thing like, you know, don't add additional 738 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,880 notebooks into your lineup or plan is into your lineup. 739 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,880 If you're finding that you're struggling to just keep up with 740 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,840 one another thing that can be very useful is actually having 741 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,720 separate spaces for planning in either area in a more kind of 742 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,800 regular structure that you use. So for instance, if you're 743 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,160 setting up weekly logs for yourself or weekly layouts, 744 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,920 maybe having separate task lists for home versus work means that 745 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,640 then you don't have all of those things into disperse with each 746 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,120 other. Means that when you're in the 747 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,680 spaces to work on those things, like at work or at home, you can 748 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,360 just focus on the tasks that are relevant to that space. 749 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,040 That can be really helpful. Do you have any tips for people? 750 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,600 Yes, I do actually. I had I had to pull out this 751 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,960 example because what you said just resonated with me so much 752 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,840 about don't pull it out just if you don't need it. 753 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,000 So like, here's a visual example of my weekly bullet journal 754 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,760 spread for a week, right? Like everything going on, all my 755 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,120 notes and tasks, I decided that I'm going to take out kind of 756 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,280 those other things. Here's my weekly bullet journal 757 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,400 for just like at home, these this could fit in one journal. 758 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,840 I did not have to break this out necessarily. 759 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,400 So that's just a really good example, but I think in my mind 760 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,600 that I needed it and I made this choice because I kept it all 761 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 together first. So it's kind of a similar thing 762 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,640 to yours, Jess, which is if you're unsure, keep it all 763 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,680 together or keep it all in one notebook, because I think 764 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,440 there's a lot of ways and layouts that you can use to do 765 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,400 that. So I'd like that idea of working 766 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,960 front to back for work and back to front for home. 767 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:46,360 Now that would bother me, I feel like because, but something I 768 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,160 have done actually when I've been playing around with this 769 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,080 idea is also just taking your page and splitting it right down 770 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,160 the center and keeping tasks for work and notes for work on one 771 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,480 side and home on the other. Because what I've started to do 772 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,840 over time essentially was try to outgrow my notebook with a 773 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,480 topic. So that's a great example where 774 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,280 I was like, OK, I'm going to split my page in half task and 775 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,240 task. Now, if my home or social media 776 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:19,920 or whatever task outgrew that page, I was like, OK, let's make 777 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,680 a mental note of this, right? I can continue on a different 778 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,120 page. And if that happened 779 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,320 continuously over time, I would say, OK, it's definitely needs 780 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,680 its own space versus, you know, taking yourself out of this 781 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,200 other notebook and that flow and everything else to kind of keep 782 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,320 them together. I think for myself personally, I 783 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,000 know mentally that work and my social media stuff are separate 784 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,920 things. When I'm at work, I'm at work. 785 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,160 That's my job. When I'm not at work, if I'm on 786 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,680 lunch or after work or before work, that's when social media 787 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,560 happens for me. That's why I do scheduling. 788 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,080 That's where I make my contact. I do all those things. 789 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,640 So I think for myself even it's helpful for me not to mix those 790 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,760 two things because those are two essentially 2 full time jobs. 791 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,800 Obviously when you break it down, I work, you know, between 792 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,160 8:00 and 5:00 in my full time job and then before work and 793 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,080 after work, I'm doing the other full time job. 794 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,960 Social media, it's more fun, but you know what I'm saying? 795 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,480 So I think it's very much the same vein is that try to make it 796 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,960 work in one, give yourself separate spaces or ways to do 797 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,520 that. But once you feel that you've 798 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,720 actually outgrown that space, then maybe consider that second 799 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,520 notebook before starting off with two. 800 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,280 Because I think it would, and I know it would because I've been 801 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,480 there several times. It will make you more nervous 802 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,920 and anxious because you're like, oh, I have this idea for this 803 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,960 thing. Where is that? 804 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,520 Where is that notebook crap? Do I write it inside of the one 805 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,520 I'm using right now versus the other? 806 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,320 Or trying to make that mental switch I think is going to make 807 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,800 you a little bit more crazy. Yeah, I think that the hard part 808 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,640 about having them separated as well is like what if I'm in one 809 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,680 space or the other and I don't have access to the notebook that 810 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,160 I need? So if you've got a notebook 811 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,560 that's just for your home related life, home related 812 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,040 tasks, chores, personal projects, whatever, but you have 813 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,560 a thought about that while you're at work away from your 814 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,560 notebook. Now you either have to write it 815 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,080 in your work notebook, which kind of defeated the purpose of 816 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,120 splitting them, or you have to put it somewhere else to then 817 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,400 transfer into your notebook when you get home or it just gets a 818 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,520 little bit messy. And that's why I found that I 819 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,800 prefer to just have them together. 820 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,280 Also, kind of like you said, when you split them out and you 821 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,520 just don't have enough stuff to really warrant having another 822 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,880 notebook, or when you split them out and you realize, cool, the 823 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,920 only things I have going on for home are chores and that's 824 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,960 really demotivating. So I'm just not going to look at 825 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080 my journal. I think another tip too, and 826 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,200 this just came to mind is maybe to start small and grow from 827 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,200 there. So a really great example is if 828 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,320 you have an A5 size notebook for yourself for work, this is the 829 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,760 size you're using and you're thinking you're slightly 830 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,760 outgrowing that, Maybe try something like the B6 size, 831 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,120 which you know, a lot of people are, are very popular now. 832 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,240 Or like, you know, I would have like your little tiny notebook 833 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,040 that again, all the tasks that I showed you in my A5 could have 834 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,600 fit on one of these little pages here and I would have been OK, 835 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,800 but start there and then slowly grow it. 836 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,960 So instead of go. Going from like an A5 to being 837 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,800 like, I need AB 5 for, for all my extra stuff at home. 838 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,840 And then suddenly you're like using this much space inside of 839 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,320 there, you know, start smaller and kind of grow from there. 840 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,560 I think that's another really great way that you could 841 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,120 approach it if you do want to separate it out to kind of try 842 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,080 it and see if it works. Yeah, I think that that idea of 843 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,880 doing what we call like an ooch. So it's like you're doing a test 844 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,680 run or a trial of something before you commit to getting all 845 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,640 of the, you know, expensive or better supplies or whatever to 846 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,320 make a full-fledged notebook or whatnot. 847 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,840 It can just give yourself off the opportunity to test run it 848 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,040 and say like, OK, is this actually going to work for me? 849 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,720 Maybe do a couple of trials to see like the layout that you 850 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,360 might need for it or anything like that before you go out and 851 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,640 buy a whole new notebook for something that might not 852 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,560 actually end up resonating with you at all. 853 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,640 Total sidetrack here. I just want to have to say that 854 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,960 someone told me that I should start a notebook for all the 855 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,840 Jessisms that you do. So I have two barrel of fish and 856 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,000 ooch are now two new words that I've learned from you that I 857 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,760 feel like I need to add to this index of fantastic words and 858 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,720 phrases that I've never used or heard of before in my life. 859 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,000 I literally have a section in my long term collections journal 860 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,440 that's just called shit I say. Perfect. 861 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,080 So things like good luck, other drivers, anytime I make a 862 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,520 slightly interesting or risque decision, it's like, well, have 863 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,440 fun with the choices that I made everybody else. 864 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,400 I also love that it's a future bee problem because I used that 865 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,720 one time after doing this podcast for so many weeks and 866 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,120 someone was like, Jess says that all the time. 867 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,880 I'm like, yeah, Jess. And I've been hanging out a lot 868 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,320 recently, so I'm starting to pick up on those. 869 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,840 The snickety biscuit is always going to be a favorite though. 870 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,120 I'm glad that we can. We can at least have that as one 871 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,560 of our shared lingo points now. It's one of my absolute 872 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,640 favorites. So something that I wanted to 873 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,880 kind of think about with those tips or ways for people to also 874 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,080 kind of bring things together or maybe some other ways that they 875 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,360 could approach things in a digital way. 876 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,200 So we've talked a lot about analog and notebooks in there. 877 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,920 Do you have anything that you think it would be helpful for 878 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,760 anyone that's maybe in that spot with trying to combine home, 879 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,680 whether it's just with themselves or another person? 880 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,160 I mean, we've talked a lot about that with like a spouse or a 881 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,280 roommate or anything else. We have shared information like. 882 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,000 What's a good way that you think people could utilize different 883 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,480 tools to make that happen better? 884 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,000 I think that the hardest part about a shared system is finding 885 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,040 something that works for both or however many parties. 886 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,880 Because I know for instance Vogel has a journal. 887 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,560 He pretty much only uses his bullet journal for home related 888 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,000 stuff. He doesn't write anything work 889 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,200 related in there. But it's not my journal so it's 890 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,000 not like I'm going to go and write down tasks for him and or 891 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,480 I to do in his notebook. That would feel a little bit 892 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,360 weird, but we do have a shared calendar when, when we both 893 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,160 check in with it, it works really well. 894 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,200 But when we don't both check in with it, it doesn't work quite 895 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,720 as well as it could. So it's finding tools that both 896 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,360 you and the people who you're trying to kind of collaborate 897 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,080 with going to be comfortable with using and actually make use 898 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,680 of, which can take a little bit of trading, I suppose, either 899 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,400 for yourself or for the other people to kind of check in with 900 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,360 that. So it's really, I guess about 901 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680 the people that you're working with, what their preferences 902 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,360 are, whether or not you can get them on board with certain 903 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,360 tools. I know that some people have set 904 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,360 up things like shared calendars and shared kind of notebooks, 905 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,240 wall calendars in particular, because you can usually put them 906 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,040 in a space where people can actually see them, whether that 907 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,640 be on the front of the fridge or next to the fridge. 908 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,440 If you don't want to stick a calendar on your fridge 909 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,760 somewhere in a kind of like high traffic area where a lot of the 910 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,560 people in your home are going to frequent, rather than just in 911 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,320 your own personal space where it might be a bit weird for them to 912 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,120 come in to check on plans. Like I don't think I'd want a 913 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,680 family member flipping through my bullet journal to find out 914 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,880 when things were happening. That would feel a little bit 915 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,960 strange. Yeah, it reminds me actually, 916 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,960 when we talk about, you know, life influencing work and work 917 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,560 influencing life, it's, you know, work. 918 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,360 Whenever you're introducing a new tool or some type of change, 919 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680 it's always about how can you be a good change agent? 920 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,080 And a lot of that has to do with influencing and educating and 921 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,640 getting people used to it. I actually just did this at work 922 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,640 recently where I introduced a new tool and a new method of how 923 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,640 we work to a team of 12. And I had to do that in a 924 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,240 process of saying, OK, first let me research to find out the 925 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,240 right tool that's going to work for the problem we're trying to 926 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:19,960 solve. Two, let me try it for myself to 927 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,640 see how well it works so that I can understand it. 928 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,680 And then three, let me educate and slowly get people into using 929 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,720 that. And I think that that could 930 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,800 definitely influence home for myself because I've tried a 931 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,320 number of things where I'm like, oh, I love this tool. 932 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,800 I think this is great. Let's all use it. 933 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,160 And then like everyone else is like, I have no interest in 934 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,960 that, like that. That's too hard for me to do. 935 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,560 I just like to do it this way. And so a lot of the times I 936 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,160 found that the shared calendar is a great idea, but like you 937 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,400 said, it has to work. I know that there's a number of 938 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,240 products out there that kind of take that team calendar or your 939 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,440 family calendar, I guess is a better way to talk about it and 940 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,160 puts in like a bigger screen. And I've seen it before. 941 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,440 I don't know if it works that way or not, but it's essentially 942 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,680 what you said. It's in a common place and 943 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,720 everyone sends things to the calendar. 944 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,240 It's kind of like a work calendar, right? 945 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,680 Like, here's what's going on and you see it all the time. 946 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,720 That's why I think, again, I love the analog calendar when 947 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,760 you write things down. We have that in my house. 948 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,120 I don't use it as much as I probably should, but I go there 949 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,520 whenever I'm like, oh, I remember someone said this 950 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,520 thing. Instead of bothering my wife, 951 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,120 asking her for the billionth time, what is that happening? 952 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,760 I know that it's there, so I can go there and do that. 953 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,680 So I think more than anything, I don't know if there's any kind 954 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,720 of new tools that that can be used. 955 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,280 I know I've tried to introduce Air table to social media 956 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,920 friends when I've been planning things and they're like, yeah, I 957 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,360 don't use this and I can't figure this out. 958 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,240 And I don't want to figure it out where I feel very 959 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:51,000 comfortable because I actually love that tool for collecting 960 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,720 ideas and doing things at work. I just don't think I have any 961 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:59,440 real need for it for home, just for myself personally, I use 962 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,160 that for myself. But if you find that you are 963 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,880 collaborating with other people, I think having a, a solid space 964 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,600 to do that, especially if you're in the applesphere, I feel like 965 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,080 they've made it very easy now with like shared notes. 966 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,080 I know this sounds very silly, but like our dog Walker, for 967 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,120 instance, I did this with, I just set up a note, I put all 968 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,960 the dates that I needed her to come to like let the dogs out 969 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,320 and take them for a walk. And I shared that with her. 970 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,200 And I said, hey, are you OK with using this? 971 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,000 And she said, yeah, absolutely. And she would check it off every 972 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,240 time we did. And I had a separate column for 973 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,840 when I paid her. And it just worked really well 974 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,680 that way. So I think that's a good example 975 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,120 of just finding a tool, saying, hey, does this work for you? 976 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,120 Can we try it? And then someone doing that is 977 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,400 another way of doing that. And then there's also, I think 978 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,720 it's called Freeform, right? I think, which is like Apple's 979 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:47,520 like shared idea notebook. My wife and I actually use that 980 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,440 just once we were going to purchase another home and we 981 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,160 were just taking notes and calls. 982 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,920 And I said, there's so much information, I can't write it 983 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,160 all in my notebook and you have it in yours. 984 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,320 And so we just agreed for that project that we were going to 985 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,320 use that. And it worked pretty well for 986 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,800 us. We just haven't had a need to go 987 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,680 back to it. But I think there are tools that 988 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,040 are kind of already on the devices and things that we're 989 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,920 using that are easy to use. So that's what I would say that 990 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,320 if I were to use them more probably utilize those tools. 991 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,280 Yeah, I think it can be very helpful in trying to find these 992 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,000 tools that multiple people can use is like how can we use the 993 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,600 ones we're already using or the ones we're already familiar with 994 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,080 rather than trying to reinvent the wheel, obviously within 995 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,160 reason. So for instance, one of the 996 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,120 tools that Bogle and I use is OneNote. 997 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,280 We have our like recipes on there. 998 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,480 We also have a home care notebook in there, mainly 999 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,480 because he really likes OneNote. And I look at it and go like, 1000 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,080 this could be a Notion and it would be a lot better and we'd 1001 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,160 actually be able to find things and all of this kind of thing. 1002 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,200 I'm like, yeah, but then I have to teach Vogel how to use 1003 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,320 Notion. So no, but I know that he is 1004 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,360 comfortable with that and I can tolerate it. 1005 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,000 So we use that, even though I think that there are other tools 1006 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,360 that would be far superior. It's all good. 1007 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,880 As long as the information is somewhere and we can both access 1008 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,400 it and we can find the stuff we need to within a somewhat timely 1009 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,960 manner, it's all good. I feel you on that. 1010 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,800 I feel like if that that was me and I really despised using a 1011 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,600 tool that I would do everything my power to do exactly what I 1012 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,360 said. What's the what's the problem 1013 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,520 I'm trying to solve? What tools are out there? 1014 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,280 Let me try to use it and then use that as an example to be 1015 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,760 like, look, this works better For these reasons. 1016 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,400 I know that you like this. Here's how this is like this, 1017 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,200 but better for all of us. I just think I'm always kind of 1018 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,360 the early adopter when it comes to tools and technology. 1019 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,000 So I feel like I'm always the one introducing new tools and 1020 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,720 technology to people versus the opposite where they're like, 1021 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:42,040 mark this new thing and I'm always like, no, let's do it 1022 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,000 this way. I'm very open minded. 1023 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,680 It was a hard thing for me to do for a long time whenever someone 1024 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,440 approaches me because I'm so used to being the one with the 1025 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,360 new ideas. But I think allowing yourself to 1026 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,400 be open to it and this is advice for anyone who was like, no, 1027 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,360 this is how I do it. Like let someone approach you 1028 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,720 with an idea if you think it's going to work, especially if 1029 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:05,880 it's at home and it's going to make your life a lot better. 1030 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,800 But same thing for work as well. If there's just a better tool 1031 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,880 that's going to help you be more efficient and effective, like be 1032 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,640 open minded to it. And if it's not your cup of tea 1033 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,360 to like go and look for those things, then I think you know 1034 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,520 someone else is really excited. Let them be excited. 1035 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,880 I think that's really good advice. 1036 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,640 I mean, I know that I can get very particular about which 1037 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,040 tools I'm using for different things and being open to trying 1038 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,360 out new styles of planning, whether that be digital or 1039 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,400 analog or whatever. It just helps us to kind of 1040 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,200 improve our system over time, whether that be for kind of work 1041 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,680 or home life. I suppose, like question for 1042 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,920 you, Planner Powell, what does your planning system look like 1043 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,880 in terms of home planning versus work? 1044 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,160 Is it very balanced or do you find yourself kind of veering 1045 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,000 into one area more than the other? 1046 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,880 Do you use different tools for either your work or home 1047 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,600 planning? Let us know more about your 1048 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,680 system either in the comments or if you wanted to e-mail us at 1049 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,800 Planner Powers podcast@gmail.com or hit us up on Instagram at 1050 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,440 Planner of Health Podcast. We would love to hear from you. 1051 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,040 In this episode, we talked a lot about finding the right solution 1052 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,880 for what you're doing, whether it's at home or for work. 1053 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,000 But in our next episode, we're going to be talking about the 1054 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,200 next click down and talking specifically about layouts and 1055 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,720 spreads that work for us inside of our planners and definitely 1056 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:24,280 which ones we would recommend to others as well. 1057 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,000 So very much looking forward to that episode. 1058 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,360 Jess, like I said, you are the the queen of themes. 1059 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,080 You always have 50 ideas for this certain idea, but I know 1060 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,560 that inside of those fifty ideas, there's those tried and 1061 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,680 truths that we have as well. So very much looking forward to 1062 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,440 that episode. It's going to be a good one, 1063 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,840 Mark. I'm very looking forward to that 1064 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,240 conversation. And to you, planner pal, thank 1065 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:44,080 you for watching.