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Welcome to the Planner Pals 
Podcast, a podcast hosted by two

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true planner pals. 
I am Jess or Jessie Curran. 

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And my name is Mark and I go by 
Mark your pages. 

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And we're back for another 
fantastic episode continuing 

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through. 
Again, just have to thank all 

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the planner pals for all the 
comments in last week's video. 

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It is so awesome hearing about 
the things that people want and 

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don't want from their own 
planners and journals. 

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I love also the feedback where 
everyone said my head is too big

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and too small compared to where 
we do this. 

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I'm like we're, we're literally 
talking across continents. 

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Give me a break people. 
You can tell he's like totally 

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not sour about it at all. 
This is literally something we 

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have a conversation about every 
single start of podcast. 

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Like am I too close? 
Am I too far? 

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Oh my gosh. 
I don't know quite how to figure

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it out. 
I also think too, because you 

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use a camera as your main piece 
and then I'm using the back of 

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my iPhone, which is still better
than just the webcam I have, but

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I think that might be the 
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That's my excuse. 
It has nothing to do with my 

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editing or production quality of
what we do here here on the 

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Planner Pals podcast. 
Exactly. 

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It's not you, it's the tools. 
Exactly. 

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And it's the same exact thing 
for when it comes to planning, 

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right? 
It's not us that have the 

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problem. 
It's clearly the notebooks and 

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the pens that we're using that 
can't help keep us organized and

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keep our lives together. 
So let's blame it on those two, 

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right? 
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It's like, oh, OK, I'm going to 
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going to be the one that changes
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This is the one that's going to 
help me get my shit together. 

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And you're like, yeah I'm like 2
days into using it and it's been

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kicked under the bed and I've 
gone back to my like gremlin 

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mode ways. 
Today, we are going to have some

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fun, Jess. 
This is something that neither 

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of us, I think have ever done in
our own videos before, which is 

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essentially predicting the 
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stationary planning. 
Some of these might not 

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essentially be happening 
immediately in 2025, but I think

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there's a lot of beginnings of 
some of these that we might be 

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thinking about South. 
They might take a little bit 

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longer to get into your 
workflow, but I definitely think

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that these will be hopefully 
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Well, we'll see what happens, 
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It's like, are they predictions 
or is it just like wishful 

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thinking? 
Fingers crossed. 

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So Jess, why don't you go ahead 
and start today with your first 

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prediction of what you think 
will be happening in 2025 ish? 

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So Oh my gosh, I never like to 
do these predictions because I'm

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just like, Oh my God, I'm going 
to be wrong and somebody's going

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to come back to the video a year
later. 

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Me like Jessica, you said, and 
it didn't even happen. 

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So like big grains of salt 
family or McCoy. 

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But I think my first prediction 
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maybe moving away from like what
I call single use decorative 

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pieces into more multi use 
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So I'm thinking maybe less of 
the kind of like specific 

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sticker packs or kits that are 
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maybe just for a month. 
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able to be used for a longer 
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So maybe like larger rolls of 
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I'm thinking stamps would 
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it's like you buy the stamp once
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you can do those like little 
star ratings and stuff rather 

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than using star writing 
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You can have them for your 
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all of that kind of a thing. 
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more stamps. 
I've talked about this through a

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couple of people. 
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I don't think you're right on 
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This is the hill that I'm gonna 
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The stamps are coming. 
I think if you're interested in 

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stamps, more people will become.
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that people I think are 
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are so nervous about the right 
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How do I clean them out? 
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in a place you don't want it to 
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I just think everyone's just 
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stamp and kind of all the 
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Washi tape, stickers, All of 
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stick it to your page. 
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A sticker sheet has them all on 
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But when you get into the clear 
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think they become a little bit 
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scares people. 
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the idea of being a little 
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those tools will be really 
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kind of get their things 
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do it. 
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really great tool for 
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the kind of person who says 
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artist, I can't draw, I'm not 
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And like, first of all, I'll how
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mindset. 
I believe in you. 

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You can do the thing, it just 
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Yes, the forbidden P word. 
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you're very much in your camp, 
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the gnaw, not an artist, can't 
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really great way to add that 
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looks like it's drawn, 
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that are kind of just outline 
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Now it's a coloring page, so it 
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look to it in a way like not in 
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of would. 
Like you can get hand drawn hand

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designed stickers but it still 
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of the day for the most part 
unless they have like a very 

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specific material they're using.
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there and I love one of my 
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stamps are the click art markers
from zebra because they don't 

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smear the ink when you write 
with them and they come in a 

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bunch of different colors as 
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I use them with a lot of my Eric
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stamps are always like very 
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really get in there nice and 
tight and it always looks so 

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nice when I do it. 
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Mark, don't forget you have all 
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stamps because I usually use 
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It's a really good point. 

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Use them as almost like a 
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extra things to it if you want 
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You can still be creative 
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feeling like you're locked down 
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yourself. 
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looking to get into stamping, 
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I'm like very dabbler. 
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being like, yeah, if I'm like 
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anything like that. 
We do have some really great 

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creators online who are making 
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tutorials, content specifically 
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Natasha, Natasha Miller creates,
she started doing a little 

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series about stamping. 
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talked about like the different 
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you know, you kind of maybe want
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the ones you should steer clear 
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We don't really want. 
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that in terms of like their 
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I know nothing about stamps. 
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That's amazing. 
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It really does make a big 
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what you use. 
I've learned a lot about it over

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the years. 
I am the stamping fiend, though.

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I have so many. 
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creator where I see like a cool 
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days of the week and numbers, 
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I still am editing my 2025 
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and I use stamps heavily in 
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I like to spend my time. 
And it was like a printing press

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in here because I had all these 
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I did a whole calendar page. 
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episodes ago, a while ago around
how I could utilize my calendar 

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page that I had my square in my 
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So I did turn my journal to the 
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not going to write in the days 
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I'm going to use. 
I've stamps for that. 

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other, one separate because they
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And it was just like stamp one, 
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it next. 
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I'm still cleaning up from that.
That's how much like I was 

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using. 
So there's definitely a pro and 

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con to it. 
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like reusable, but maybe not so 
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Another one that I think is 
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and UPS is the idea of digital 
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a purchase once and then print 
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Like your sticker stash then is 
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computer. 
You can print them off on 

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sticker paper and then use them 
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that you like don't have any 
shipping costs outside of 

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getting the sticker paper to you
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it in store. 
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as many as you want. 
You can make little edits and 

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manipulations to them depending 
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You can change it to kind of 
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journal. 
It gives you a bit more 

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flexibility. 
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really, really good for just 
doing headers because I, you 

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know, there are only so many 
styles of lettering that I'm 

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quite comfortable with doing and
some of the ones that I think 

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are really pretty and I might 
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I just couldn't be bothered 
going and like spending the 

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time, effort, energy to draw 
those out myself and get like a 

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subpar product. 
So I would rather just go onto 

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one of those free font websites,
find one that I like, type out 

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all of my headers, print them 
off on sticker paper, neglect my

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cricket and get out my scissors 
and cut them all out 

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individually. 
I was actually going to be my 

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question to you, Jess. 
I don't know if you're already 

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doing that or again, people are 
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next question essentially was, 
are people then using a cricket 

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to cut them out and doing that? 
Because that feels like a lot to

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me. 
That's honestly a reason why 

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I've never gone for digital 
stickers before and also digital

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stamps. 
A lot of the creators everyday 

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explorers code, they do digital 
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I accidentally bought 11 time. 
So I I have it. 

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I just don't know what to do 
with it because I'm like, well, 

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I don't know how to use a 
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I don't have no idea about it, 
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want to go through and then like
hand cut every single one. 

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But I guess I don't have to hand
cut up ahead of time. 

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I could really just cut them out
of the paper as I need them 

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versus having them ready to go. 
Oh, look at you. 

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Ken Alright, I just make sure I 
pick a font that doesn't have 

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any hanging letters. 
It makes it a lot easier. 

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I made the mistake of picking a 
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You know like GY anything that 
like dips below those won't take

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a lot longer to cut out. 
If you just use an all caps 

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font, then it's literally just 
cutting things in lines. 

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Nice and simple. 
I will learn to use my cricket. 

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That's like the new year, new me
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You could always just have one 
and neglect it like I do. 

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It's looking at me right now, 
just like we'll just hide. 

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But I find that using the 
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bit of time, but at least then 
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cutting things out, and that's 
not as long as it would have 

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taken me to do the lettering 
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same style. 
It's a really good tip there. 

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I never really thought about 
doing them in a sheet. 

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I just always think about 
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about that type of thing. 
So that's actually really smart.

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You could just run that through 
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paper cutters, right? 
Just like slice them through. 

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That's that's a good idea. 
All righty, Mark, what do you 

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think your prediction is? 
Your first prediction of a trend

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that's coming up on the horizon.
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little bit. 
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possible. 
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people are maturing away from 
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but a lot of people in my 
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start moving more into the 
Hobonichis, the Sterling Ink and

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these predated planners or kind 
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planners and then add in what 
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recreate them every single week.
So I've seen that even in myself

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a little bit as I think about it
each year. 

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But I really enjoy the process 
of creating and using my 

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stationary inside of there. 
But perhaps for the people who 

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maybe started in college and 
then are moving into the 

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professional space, they don't 
feel like I still need that. 

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It's like a different time, a 
different place. 

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So for example, just not needing
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Brian, he just put out a video 
where he's stopping bullet 

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journaling after doing it for 
years. 

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And something that really stuck 
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exactly what I just said is. 
Spoilers, I haven't watched the 

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video. 
Oh, sorry, essentially he just 

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said it's just not working for 
me right now. 

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And this isn't anything that we 
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it's totally, it's not that big 
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He had other things he talked 
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this idea that I'm just not 
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that anymore. 
And it's creating these 

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intricate spreads. 
I don't know everyone's process,

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but he had mentioned that he was
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these spreads. 
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maybe just dial it down a little
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Like mine take me like 5-10 
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don't feel like you should be 
taking hours to set up a spread.

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I mean, this is coming from 
someone who just set up their 

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reading journal and it took like
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bullet journal. 
Like also, I don't mind spending

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the time, effort, energy in 
putting the kind of creative 

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work into that because that is 
my creative outlet. 

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If you have other things going 
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the hobbies or whatever other 
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maybe you don't want to spend 
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time that I spend on it, like 
setting up my layouts, it will 

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fluctuate like some months I, 
you know, dial it down, make it 

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a little bit easy mode. 
Like my December setup is going 

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to be one that's really, really 
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It's just a couple of washi tape
stickers, a little bit of inking

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in the corners and the rest of 
it is just like, I don't know, 

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every second line highlights, 
which don't take me very long to

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do. 
Yeah, maybe that's just the idea

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that you've done it a lot. 
Maybe other people don't have 

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the practice and that, but just 
this constant kind of feeling 

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like you have to make and remake
and compete and make bigger and 

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better. 
I think some people just falling

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out of love with that. 
And I think that is a reason why

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people may start to go in a 
different direction and look for

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these other companies who are 
still very much aligned in the 

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planner community. 
They have a great following. 

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They're very functional and how 
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And then you can add in the 
extra little pieces if you want 

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to. 
On top of that, maybe there's a 

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little bit of like maturing out 
of the overly decorative and 

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just moving into a different 
part in time in your life where 

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you don't have the time to spend
on that. 

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Or to your point, which you just
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let's make sure that you are 
making that time. 

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And I think that's probably the 
difference where you value that 

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time and that creative energy 
you're putting into that as a 

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way to express that that makes 
it worth it for you. 

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But I think for others, it adds 
so much extra stress to what 

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they're trying to do that it 
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it. 
I don't want anyone to give it 

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up because I think many people 
find a lot of benefit in it. 

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They just kind of get over the 
setting it up 100,000 times when

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I I could just buy a planner 
that has a layout that works for

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me or works best for me that I 
can then add into if I need to. 

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I think that's the point of it 
actually. 

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It's like possibly less about 
maturing away from decoration or

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something similar like that, but
it's more so like maturing into 

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your planning style and finding 
these structures and layouts 

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that work for you. 
And rather than setting them up 

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yourself, finding something pre 
printed that already offers that

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structure. 
So you can kind of take the time

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you would have done setting up 
that kind of skeleton and 

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framework and using it for other
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purely productivity focus or 
like, you know, finding simple 

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styles of decoration to add into
that structure set up that this 

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pre printed plan offers you. 
It's kind of interesting though.

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I feel like we're seeing this a 
lot in terms of like content 

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creators as well, because I 
mean, that's honestly where we 

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see a lot of these things 
because you know, this is the 

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stuff that gets shared online. 
I'm not like sneaking into 

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people's everyday houses and 
like looking at their journals 

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and plans. 
Little creepy, but because we're

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seeing a few of our bigger 
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then it also makes space for 
smaller content creators who are

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still sticking with regular like
journaling, planning the stuff 

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that we've kind of seen before, 
but now they're kind of like 

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left a bit of a hole or a vacuum
as those bigger creators move to

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something else. 
So if you're thinking maybe in 

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the new year, you want to start 
like a YouTube or an Instagram 

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or anything like that. 
I feel like I'm a like Rep right

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now trying to sell you on this 
idea. 

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I'm not really, but I just think
I'm really excited about it. 

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I love watching journaling 
content because that's how I get

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a lot of my ideas. 
So like I want you to make the 

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content so that I can watch it. 
Absolutely. 

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I think it is really important 
to you make a really good point 

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there. 
This is why I love sharing and 

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talking about this. 
Like my favorite part about the 

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podcast is when we have these 
different views on that, because

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that's actually a really good 
way to think about it. 

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Maybe not maturing out of, but 
just really fully understanding 

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how you like to work. 
I think for myself, even I've 

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seen a lot of that over time 
where now I have kind of basic 

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structures of pages I'd like to 
use with. 

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I just add in a different type 
of, you know, theme, so to say, 

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where I might use a collection 
of stamps and sort of stickers. 

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But in that same general space, 
it's I know what works for me. 

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There's no planner out there 
that is custom made for exactly 

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what I'm looking for. 
I'd always have to customize it 

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in some way, shape or form to 
get what I need out of it. 

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So that's why I just like 
creating it myself. 

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All right, Jess, what about your
next prediction? 

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What is happening in the near 
future? 

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So my next prediction is gonna 
sound really dumb, but I call it

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joy knowing like joy journaling 
journaling, which sounds like 

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it's just like a really bad 
twangy accent. 

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But I am maybe this is more of a
want than a prediction, but I 

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don't care. 
I'm putting it out there like 

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manifest or some shit, but I 
want to see more people just 

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like getting in and enjoying 
their journaling process. 

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Journaling, whether that be, you
know, using different creative 

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styles, things that they've been
tempted with before or 

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something, or whether it be 
something like just bringing 

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more novelty into their layouts,
you know, trying different 

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trackers or pages or stuff. 
Like, you know, one time I 

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tracked in a Coke 0 tracker 
because I was just curious, like

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how much Coke Zero am I actually
drinking in a day? 

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I was surprised that it was not 
as much as I thought, but still 

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certainly more than some people 
would probably hope for. 

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Not mad, still gonna keep doing 
it. 

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I was just curious also thinking
about things like adding in 

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little pieces like of ephemera 
and memory keeping. 

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And this is something that maybe
I think maybe I'm just a little 

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bit curious about, you know, 
bringing the joy back into the 

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process, making it something 
that feels just good and cozy 

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and warm and nice to be in type 
of a thing. 

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Especially because I know that a
lot of people like the end of 

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this year, like at the end of 
any year, but the end of this 

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year, a lot of people having 
like some tough times, they're 

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not feeling too great or 
something. 

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So possibly using their 
journaling as that kind of like 

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safe creative space place to be 
in to just like recuperate, fill

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their like emotional well-being 
cup and stuff like that. 

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So I am. 
I'm predicting we're gonna see 

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Dwinling. 
All right, let's go and put that

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on a T-shirt and we'll be good 
to go. 

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You come up with the most 
amazing word sometimes, I swear.

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I think I just, I like to smack 
two things together quite often 

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and sometimes it works and 
sometimes it sounds twangy and 

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dumb. 
One of the ways that I am going 

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to be dwindling in the new year 
is bringing more gamification 

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into my layouts. 
So I'm effectively thinking 

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about like, hey, me as a person,
I'm really good at work. 

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I'm great at working, not so 
great at actually doing anything

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in any other area of my life. 
So I'm doing what I'm calling 

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like a life admin gamification 
kind of system where I'm giving 

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myself like points associated 
with doing different tasks and 

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my character AKA me can level up
in these different skill areas. 

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I've made it kind of like 
fantasy RPG based, so it's like 

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instead of physical health, 
we've got vitality, instead of 

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mental health, we have spirit 
instead of like, I don't know, 

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social connection, it's 
charisma, that kind of stuff. 

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So I'm really excited to get 
into that. 

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I think it's just again, another
way to bring like novelty and 

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fun into your journaling. 
Something that feels a little 

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less serious and a little more 
silly. 

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Sometimes I do feel like I miss 
a little bit of that from my own

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because mine becomes so purely 
functional, but I also think 

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that it's something you have to 
try to see if you would like it.

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I know in the past when I've 
tried the different of trackers 

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and kind of more join a lean 
type things, it always tends to 

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lean to my interest as it 
should, right? 

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But I never really come out of 
that feeling like, Oh, I created

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something like it's always like,
oh, I get really excited if I 

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create like a really cool 
tracker for social media or I 

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create like a really cool 
tracker for YouTube or some 

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dataviz type view. 
That's the kind of stuff that 

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gets me excited and I have to 
always remind myself like, 

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that's OK, Mark, you don't have 
to create this like nutty 

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looking like amazing screen, you
know, whatever that is because I

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would spend so much time doing 
that. 

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And then if I don't use it, I'm 
just like, well, that was a 

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waste of time. 
You probably have a similar 

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thing. 
I don't know where you get a lot

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of comments saying like, oh, I 
wish like I could do this, but I

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am not creative or I wish I 
could do this. 

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I'm not an artist. 
Rah, rah, that kind of a thing. 

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It's like 1, you don't have to 
be and two, you could be, you 

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can do it. 
I believe in your friend though.

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Like we can do these little bits
and pieces of creativity in our 

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journals. 
They don't have to look the same

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as other people's though. 
Like just because somebody's out

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there drawing like very 
elaborate pictures in their 

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journals at all, whether that be
like, you know, actual pen and 

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ink or be like watercolors and 
stuff like that. 

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I'm not a watercolor artist. 
I would love to be a watercolor 

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artist, but I'm not doing that 
in my journal because it's like 

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00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,360
that's not where my skills are. 
You can do creativity in other 

448
00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:52,280
ways, though. 
So for instance, the person who 

449
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,560
made-up with like, you know, the
Alistair method, right, which 

450
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,280
is, you know, if you haven't 
heard of the Alastair method, 

451
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,960
it's effectively columns on a 
page. 

452
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,640
It's literally like a table. 
It's, it's, I'm going to say 

453
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,320
it's nothing special, but it's 
actually very special. 

454
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,600
And I use it very, very often. 
But it's, it is creativity, but 

455
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,720
it's not like decorative 
creativity. 

456
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,160
So we can bring that creativity 
into our journals in other ways 

457
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,680
that kind of sparks joy, makes 
us feel good about being in 

458
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:15,680
there. 
It's like, you know, you found a

459
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,760
creative solution to a problem, 
but it's not necessarily like I 

460
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,840
drew a picture. 
Yay me. 

461
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,320
Yeah. 
And I think if you're looking 

462
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,400
for something totally opposite 
of that, that's when you come to

463
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,240
me because I'm like, not that. 
Like I used to get a lot of 

464
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,960
comments like that when I was 
doing more creative kind of 

465
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,200
stuff like that. 
Oh, I can't draw that. 

466
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,360
I can't do all that, all of 
that. 

467
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,760
Now I feel like I'm getting more
comments like like, whoa, you 

468
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,040
made me feel like I can do this.
But that's also because I have 

469
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,520
been figuring it out for myself.
I don't like to doodle and 

470
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,320
draws. 
Therefore I find a stamp that I 

471
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,600
like or, you know, I want to 
create small icons on a page, 

472
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,200
but I don't want to have to 
redraw them 1000 times because 

473
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,200
the first one will look great 
and the second one's going to 

474
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,840
look like crap. 
OK, well then I find really cool

475
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,960
like little icon stickers that 
you can then add to your page. 

476
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,040
So for me, that's I look at it 
kind of that opposite side 

477
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,200
because I have an entire 
creative background. 

478
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,520
I've heard that from other 
people my entire life. 

479
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,440
I go into a workshop now and I 
become the dedicated person 

480
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,840
writing on the big board because
Mark has cool handwriting and 

481
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,280
I'm fine with that. 
I love to do it, but I'm always 

482
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,040
telling people like you could do
this too. 

483
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,480
Here, let me show you how to do 
these letters real quick. 

484
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,200
I'm doing like a little mini 
workshop in my workshops for 

485
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,160
other people around that kind of
stuff, but you just have to show

486
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,760
people sometimes and you have to
try it. 

487
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,800
Jess and I talked a lot about 
these R&D journals or just 

488
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,560
having like something else you 
can do that in that could be a 

489
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,360
really cool thing for you to try
this year. 

490
00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:38,520
Get a sketchbook if you want to.
And as you're seeing these other

491
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,960
things, try it out for yourself 
and see because Jess said that 

492
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,280
that nasty P word that no one 
likes, which I wasn't thinking 

493
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,920
practice when you said that is a
really good way to go about 

494
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,520
learning new things. 
Trying it out. 

495
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,960
It will probably look like crap 
the 1st 17 times that you try 

496
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,720
it, but that 18th time when 
you've tried it a different way,

497
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,520
you watch a different person do 
it is always awesome. 

498
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,200
That's why when I look at like 
lettering videos, for instance, 

499
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,080
I am not a great like 
calligrapher, but I can do it, 

500
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,560
but I have to. 
I had to find a way to do it my 

501
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,400
way because I don't do a lot of 
flourishes and all that. 

502
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,040
I have no idea exactly how to do
that. 

503
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,200
So I found a way for it to work 
for me. 

504
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,440
And I think that just that 
exploration trying because I 

505
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:25,160
have pages and pages and pages 
of paper where I've been trying 

506
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,160
to do that and I just can't 
because I'm a lefty. 

507
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,920
Also, I do really honestly think
that's why I can't do it as 

508
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,840
easily maybe as some others, but
I just find workarounds. 

509
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,800
I think that's the best way to 
kind of make it happen. 

510
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,080
So same thing if you're trying 
to get into join Elaine, you 

511
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,480
know, you're just not sure what 
your join Elaine looks like. 

512
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,800
Try some different things to 
find out what style you like. 

513
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,400
No, I would very much agree with
that. 

514
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,360
It's like that kind of trial and
error process. 

515
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,360
R&D journals can be really great
for that because they just take 

516
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,800
the pressure off like this isn't
the final pace. 

517
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,080
This is just a trial run. 
It can be a little messy, it can

518
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,520
be a little sketchy, and 
sometimes I find that those ones

519
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:57,600
end up looking better than I 
want. 

520
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,520
I put in my journal like, oh, 
why don't I just put this in my 

521
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,280
journal to start with? 
It's like, because you didn't 

522
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,200
feel as pressured to perform, 
Like you didn't feel like it had

523
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,320
to be perfect. 
So it just ended up being a 

524
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,480
better and more natural process.
But what would be your next 

525
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,320
prediction for next year, do you
reckon? 

526
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,200
Mark, what's coming up? 
Well, Jess swings the pendulum 

527
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:20,200
this way to join Elaine, and 
Mark pulls it over to making 

528
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,480
things a lot easier and 
functional and straightforward. 

529
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,920
So by prediction, totally 
opposite of justice here is that

530
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,840
people move towards a more 
simplistic and functional way of

531
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,280
planning due to personal need, 
but also due to just time and 

532
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,960
the work that they're trying to 
do and accomplish with that. 

533
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,720
So there are a lot of really 
cool pages that you can set up, 

534
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,440
just has a beautiful plethora of
different ideas in there. 

535
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,600
But for me, I sometimes am doing
it in the moment because I'm 

536
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,120
using my bullet journal for 
work. 

537
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,120
So if I go into a new meeting 
and I need to do that, I could 

538
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,000
leave the header blank and then 
come back to it and do something

539
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520
decorative later. 
But most of the time I'm not 

540
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,400
because I need it in the moment.
So I kind of throw everything 

541
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,240
out and I say, OK, this is the 
pen that I'm using today and I 

542
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,480
will go ahead and maybe do some 
like quick lettering or 

543
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,920
something cool on there just to 
give it a little bit of flavor. 

544
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,520
But then the rest of that page 
I'm just setting up like as I 

545
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,840
need it. 
So sometimes I will decide that 

546
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,080
I'm going to build a table in my
bullet journal. 

547
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,120
I do have a limit like I won't 
go above 10 table items rows 

548
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,320
because I then I feel like we'll
mark just move this to Excel or 

549
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,160
air table or something. 
Work smarter, not harder. 

550
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,480
But if it is something that is 
obtainable and easy to do, I'll 

551
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,440
create it. 
But I'm not doing a whole lot of

552
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,120
different stuff. 
Again, sometimes it's just 

553
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:37,760
getting the information on the 
page and then utilizing that to 

554
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,560
kind of move into what I need to
next. 

555
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,680
And so I think that is kind of 
what I would predict is going to

556
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,800
start to happen. 
Again, kind of goes with my 

557
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,000
first one a little bit about 
kind of moving away from overly 

558
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,960
designed pages and into things 
that are maybe more functional. 

559
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,560
But I think overall, seeing that
happen, not everywhere, but in 

560
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,200
some spaces where people are 
going to just come to a point 

561
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,640
where they go, OK, like I've 
been doing this for a number of 

562
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,320
years, or maybe I'm new to 
bullet journaling or just 

563
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,160
planning as a whole and just 
say, OK, I'm just going to kind 

564
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,000
of go bare bones with this right
now. 

565
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,640
And then maybe take the opposite
approach, which is if I want to 

566
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,720
come back and add things to it 
later, I will. 

567
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,240
But I think that's also a really
good test to see whether or not 

568
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,960
you will or not. 
Because I say that all the time 

569
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,280
to myself, like, oh, Mark, 
you'll come back and you'll add 

570
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,720
some of these fun little stamps 
or whatever to the pages. 

571
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,840
I never do because it's kind of 
like a fleeting moment for me. 

572
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,200
And sometimes where I'm just 
like, yeah, OK, sure, next thing

573
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,680
and keep going on it. 
So that's where my prediction 

574
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,120
is, again, very different than 
Jess is here, obviously. 

575
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,040
So who knows what'll happen? 
Well, it's, it's gonna be one of

576
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,920
them or it could be both. 
Like, why not? 

577
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,880
I think that it will be nice to 
see people go with kind of, you 

578
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,800
know, more I'm gonna say more 
functional. 

579
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,360
And in my mind, functional does 
not necessarily mean not 

580
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,760
decorated. 
So possibly like I'm thinking 

581
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,080
maybe more minimalistic styles, 
especially if people are tending

582
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,480
towards like, you know, your 
Hobonichi's, your Sterling ink 

583
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,160
kind of planners, anything that 
has that kind of thinner paper. 

584
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,800
So maybe the decorative styles 
we'll see. 

585
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,800
And those just won't be so kind 
of like ink based because the 

586
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,480
paper is thinner. 
I don't know because like I know

587
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,880
that there's a fountain pen 
friendly, right? 

588
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,680
Yeah, I think a lot of that 
paper is the Tomoe, if I'm 

589
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,080
saying that right, paper, right.
It's thinner paper, but it does 

590
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,640
handle fountain pens really 
well. 

591
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,480
So if you are creating your own 
pieces using different kind of 

592
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,600
inks and pens and things like 
that, that paper just tends to 

593
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,800
work better. 
But you are going to see it on 

594
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,240
the other side, not bleed 
through, but you'll just see the

595
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,400
ghosting because it's like 58 
GSM. 

596
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,720
But I think that like there's 
something kind of nice and used 

597
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,080
in like in about just writing 
effectively on those pages, 

598
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,120
which I think writing totally 
fine. 

599
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,640
As soon as you start to do like 
doodles or sketches, that's the 

600
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,200
part that gives me the hibbie 
jeebies. 

601
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,200
That's the part where I'm like, 
no, thank you. 

602
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,520
But if it's just writing, I 
quite like it. 

603
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,000
But I don't do just writing in 
my journal, and thus that's not 

604
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,880
where I'm going. 
That's not my join all. 

605
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,200
Yeah, I can't take it. 
Even when I write in it, it's 

606
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,920
just something about it for me 
where I was just like there is a

607
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,400
conflict with what I'm looking 
at here. 

608
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,920
If I can see the letters behind 
it, my brain just scrambles and 

609
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,920
I'm like, OK, I can't pay 
attention to anything else. 

610
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,840
This is not working for me. 
I I don't know. 

611
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,680
So it has to be a real specific 
reason. 

612
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,080
I do use them in some cases for 
other pieces, but really it's 

613
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,240
not for a daily deal. 
It's really like a tracker, but 

614
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,880
then I can just skip a page if I
need to. 

615
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,800
It's not that big of a deal. 
I think that though your 

616
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,440
prediction in general about 
people moving to like more 

617
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,240
functional, possibly more 
simple, it'll be interesting to 

618
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,800
see. 
It's always, it's nice to have a

619
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,920
variety of inspiration for any 
type of kind of journal planning

620
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,520
related stuff. 
So I think it would be 

621
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,880
interesting to see if we have 
people who are in like 

622
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:41,360
traditionally decorated planners
moving away from that style of 

623
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,000
decoration. 
I'm thinking like our happy 

624
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,440
planners, our Erin Condren's, 
anything like that. 

625
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,800
I'd be quite curious to see if 
in that planning space we end up

626
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,440
with people using less 
decoration and more kind of like

627
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,400
stripped back, minimalistic, 
strictly functional type styles.

628
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,080
So my last one, Jess, I'll kind 
of kick into this one because it

629
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,720
is in line with kind of that 
more streamlined approach to 

630
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000
planning. 
But I think that we're going to 

631
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,360
see a lot more digital tools 
coming into to either partner 

632
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,400
with in some cases take over. 
And there's three main areas 

633
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,480
where I see this happening. 
So the first one I think is just

634
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,160
going to be focusing more on a 
digital calendar to remember 

635
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,480
things. 
I know a lot of people don't 

636
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,880
love a future log or don't 
really use those monthly pages, 

637
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,280
especially with bullet 
journaling. 

638
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,120
I tend to still use them, but I 
will not remember them or I 

639
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,200
don't look at them enough. 
And So what I have to do all 

640
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,960
that times and what I'm doing 
now is I will write it down and 

641
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,680
then immediately just put it 
into my phone calendar too, so I

642
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,680
can remember it, have it in 
another place. 

643
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,360
It is great if it's written down
on a book, but if I don't have 

644
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,880
that book with me when someone 
asks me a question, it's no 

645
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,320
help. 
So I've been doing that a lot 

646
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,600
recently just to try to get it 
into a place that is all over 

647
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,320
the place. 
I would agree with that. 

648
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,400
I mean, I've also been finding 
that using my digital calendar 

649
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240
more has been so insanely 
helpful for my productivity 

650
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,880
because yes, I can write myself 
a, you know, To Do List for the 

651
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,840
day and my daily local whatnot. 
And that one, you know, it has 

652
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,080
its merits. 
It is very helpful. 

653
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,600
There's a reason that I keep 
using it. 

654
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,960
But oftentimes if I do not 
schedule when I'm going to work 

655
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,480
on something, it either gets 
like pushed to the end of the 

656
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760
day or I fiddle fart around and 
I get things done in a timely 

657
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,600
manner. 
Like, you know, stuff just blows

658
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,240
out in terms of how much time 
I'm spending on a task that 

659
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,960
should not have taken me that 
long literally yesterday with my

660
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,200
newsletter because the day was 
not a writing day, but it had to

661
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200
be a writing day. 
So I'm, I'm curious to see more 

662
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,760
about how people actually do use
those digital tools. 

663
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,960
And the the digital calendar is 
one that has a lot of merit. 

664
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Going on to actually what you 
just said about then time 

665
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280
blocking out or timing out your 
tasks. 

666
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,680
So I also think that we'll see a
lot more of just general To Do 

667
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,640
List moving digital as well. 
And the reason is, is that so 

668
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,200
many of them have some great 
features. 

669
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,240
So this happens in Trello. 
We have this in air table. 

670
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,800
I just created something in 
Dropbox using a pages feature 

671
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,000
where you can give yourself a 
task, but you can give it a due 

672
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,480
date and you can assign it to 
the person that needs to do it. 

673
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000
So especially with collaboration
on things, it's very helpful. 

674
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,040
And I find that to be great 
because you can set up 

675
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,560
notifications based off of that.
You visually see that and you 

676
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,120
don't have to like write down 
when it's due because it's kind 

677
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,680
of in there and you've selected 
it. 

678
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,840
And so it kind of helps you 
prioritize it easier to. 

679
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,720
I think that's a really big 
thing that I love. 

680
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,000
If I have a bunch of to do's 
written out with different due 

681
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,440
dates, I can't just click a 
button and filter by when is the

682
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,960
soonest due date, right? 
I have to really look through it

683
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,000
and maybe rewrite that list 
again, which is also helpful. 

684
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,880
But in the sake of time saving 
or in the sake of collaborating 

685
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,480
with others, especially for 
doing this at work, having those

686
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,400
digital tools I think are really
important. 

687
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,960
And I really like that feature 
as well. 

688
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800
I just did that on a 
collaboration I'm working with 

689
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,200
right now with Matt from Desktop
Nerd. 

690
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,440
We're working on some stuff and 
I was like, I'm just going to 

691
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,800
assign the to do's inside of 
here. 

692
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,200
I'm going to assign you to this 
and give dates to this to 

693
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,760
basically build out a timeline 
versus writing it down somewhere

694
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,040
else, having to then still 
e-mail him with the schedule. 

695
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,000
So to say I'm just like, it's 
right there for you. 

696
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,560
And I would came out of that 
feeling really good. 

697
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,560
I was like, oh, I really like 
this. 

698
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,640
This is a little dangerous. 
I you are not going to catch me 

699
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,760
doing my To Do List digitally 
unless it's a brain dump. 

700
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,240
If it's a brain dump, yes, 
because I can type faster than I

701
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,600
can handwrite and sometimes you 
just need to get thoughts out of

702
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,760
your head so you can make sense 
of all of it. 

703
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,680
But I am very much like a 
stickler, my written out 

704
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,680
handwritten To Do List. 
But I can see the merits of 

705
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,000
having it digital, especially 
when you said like, you know, 

706
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,600
working with other people, 
assigning tasks and due dates 

707
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,160
and all of that kind of thing. 
Totally makes sense when you're 

708
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,800
a one man band over here playing
the cymbal and the drum. 

709
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,480
And I don't know what else is in
a marching band because we like,

710
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,080
don't have those here. 
Tuba saxophone when? 

711
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,160
You play tuba and a drum at the 
same time. 

712
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,320
I will find a way, but when 
you're the one man band and you 

713
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,360
have to do all the things, you 
don't really need that kind of 

714
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,280
functionality. 
So I don't mind having it just 

715
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,640
written down. 
But if you're working with 

716
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,000
others, it totally makes sense 
to use a digital tool. 

717
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,480
Yeah. 
And then the third part of this 

718
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,920
that I think we'll start to see 
a lot more of, and I've only 

719
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:59,080
scratched the surface of this, 
but is utilizing AI in ways to 

720
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,720
help, whether it's through note 
taking, calendar optimization, 

721
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,360
There's so many different ways 
and places that I think we're 

722
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,400
starting to look at it. 
You had mentioned motion the 

723
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,720
other day, utilizing AI for 
that. 

724
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040
I know Notion is doing more with
like calendar features and AI 

725
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,480
features and really starting to 
build these stratospheres 

726
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,440
atmospheres of how to use your 
same information and have it 

727
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,000
just kind of taken care of for 
you. 

728
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,720
We've talked about Sun Sama 
before, which is where I've been

729
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,920
playing a little bit more 
recently and just kind of like 

730
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,840
figure things out. 
I just see that becoming just 

731
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,920
more of your daily to do because
I know people get terrified of 

732
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,000
AI when it comes to art and 
creation. 

733
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160
I get that. 
But I see so much value in AI 

734
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,280
when it comes to simplifying 
tasks that we would spend a lot 

735
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,640
of time on when you could 
essentially just have it kind of

736
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,280
condense that information for 
you and be able to kind of spit 

737
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,760
out something for you then to 
react to. 

738
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,320
But for the most part it 
basically being done could 

739
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,160
remove hours I feel like from 
just general planning and how 

740
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,560
things get done. 
Yeah, I think that's the nice 

741
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480
part about a lot of those AI 
tools is the kind of like the 

742
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,640
level of information you can 
feed it to get a tailored 

743
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,200
response. 
I suppose. 

744
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,720
Like let's just say for 
instance, you wanted to plan 

745
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,800
your kids birthday party or 
whatever. 

746
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,440
You can tell it like, hey, you 
know, kid is turning 1, want 

747
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,560
this kind of a theme. 
Like what kind of aspects should

748
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,560
I consider when it comes to like
planning this out or whatnot? 

749
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,200
It'll spit back all of the 
things that you need to 

750
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,080
consider. 
Like you can get it to help you 

751
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,480
write the birthday invites that 
sound like fun and poppy and 

752
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,240
whatever else. 
And you know, especially if 

753
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,960
you're not really a creative 
writing type person, like you 

754
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,880
can use these tools to just 
simplify. 

755
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,360
Especially I'm thinking like 
writing because I'm not a 

756
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,520
writer, but you know, simplify 
that process for yourself, just 

757
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,720
speed it up and stuff. 
And yes, you go through and you 

758
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,640
add your own kind of personal 
flair to things and you tailored

759
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,760
so it fits as well as it can 
kind of a thing, but it can just

760
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,440
help you along. 
I like your mention of I think 

761
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,760
it's called motion. 
I don't even know it's that one 

762
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,720
of which is like effectively you
tell it what kind of things you 

763
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,560
need on your calendar. 
Like these are my non 

764
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,680
negotiables, but it doesn't 
matter when they happen these 

765
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,480
when the appointments are going 
to be rah rah and it just like 

766
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,560
makes or build your calendar for
you. 

767
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,000
I have not played around with 
it. 

768
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,440
I'm very curious about it but 
haven't actually dabbled with 

769
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,840
it. 
Yeah, something that's out 

770
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,679
there, it's very cool and very 
neat. 

771
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,120
And I think also when it comes 
to AI is the idea and I, and I, 

772
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,639
and I hear this a lot and I, I 
do think about it a lot when I'm

773
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,840
utilizing it. 
So something Natasha just was 

774
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,520
telling me about, which I've 
been trying to do is using my 

775
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,520
transcripts from my YouTube 
videos to generate blog 

776
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,360
outlines. 
And it is game changing for me. 

777
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,880
Like I actually have an interest
in doing it now. 

778
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,120
And at first I was like, this 
feels like cheating. 

779
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,840
But then I remember, Mark, it's 
literally using your words. 

780
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,920
It's just condensing your long 
form content into something 

781
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,679
that's more digestible. 
And I'm just like, I'm loving it

782
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,440
right now because I'm just like,
oh, I feel like I'm efficiently 

783
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,600
using my time now. 
I'm already recording the 

784
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,159
videos, editing them, doing all 
of that. 

785
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,480
And now I just need to condense 
that down into a blog post so I 

786
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,000
can just take that transcript 
and basically ask it to condense

787
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,440
it down for me. 
I still have to go through it. 

788
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,480
I still am training it to speak 
like Mark because I just some 

789
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,120
words I just don't use. 
And they're not even like fancy 

790
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,680
words, but they're just like 
very colorful words. 

791
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,440
I'm like, that would never come 
out of my mouth. 

792
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,800
Delete. 
Put in a more simplistic term, 

793
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,080
but it is super helpful. 
So I think finding little ways 

794
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,400
like that is great. 
I don't love the idea that doing

795
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,880
the work for you, meaning like 
generating something from 

796
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,560
nothing and then you copying 
that and pasting that. 

797
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,280
I don't like that at all. 
I don't think that's fair. 

798
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,240
But to start idea generation, 
like you said, I think that's 

799
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:34,760
maybe a good example we could 
explore. 

800
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,360
Like if you put that into 
ChatGPT or some kind of AI 

801
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040
feature, it's going to give you 
some ideas. 

802
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,840
But then I totally feel like you
should then explore what that 

803
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,640
might be like. 
Ask it to then be like find a 

804
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,480
vendor to do these things. 
It'll send you somewhere so 

805
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,320
weird. 
It'll literally like make up a 

806
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,120
vendor. 
Like it will not. 

807
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,680
It'll be like, yeah, I'm looking
for a Taco truck. 

808
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,800
And it's like, oh, like his 
Paco's tacos. 

809
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,400
And I'm like, does that exist? 
No, not in my area. 

810
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,440
You've just gone and take like a
name from offline and like 

811
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,800
slapped it down there. 
It's like, Yep, this is where 

812
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,440
you should go. 
And that's what I'm saying is 

813
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,480
like you do have to add the 
human element to it or else your

814
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,760
event or whatever you're doing 
is going to sound feel robotic 

815
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,040
or stale because you need to add
the human element to it. 

816
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,800
I feel like to to really make 
something fun and exciting. 

817
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,680
So I'm excited to see where it 
goes. 

818
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,720
But I definitely see so much 
more popping up about it in my 

819
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,200
professional space as well. 
I'm seeing it a lot. 

820
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640
I work in a very regulated 
space, so we can't use it as 

821
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,520
openly as maybe other companies 
and teams can do, but it is 

822
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,480
definitely something that I 
think is going to make a big 

823
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,640
impact. 
It's just understanding what it 

824
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,920
is and how you can use it to 
help yourself versus feeling 

825
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,800
like it's replacing you as a 
person because I don't like that

826
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,160
at all. 
Regardless of what role you're 

827
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,680
in, what you're trying to bet 
done. 

828
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Like humans should always exist 
in everything that we do. 

829
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Just help me a little bit buddy.
Yeah, I think that it will 

830
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,480
certainly be available as like a
tool for people to just like 

831
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,680
streamline their processes and 
stuff and just help them out. 

832
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,640
Like for instance, I enjoy using
AI to do proofreading because my

833
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,840
attention to detail when it 
comes to words is really poor. 

834
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Like unless I go through and 
actually read every single word 

835
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,360
out loud, I will miss things. 
And even if I do that, I will 

836
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,360
still miss things. 
So I'll be like, hey, Chair GPT,

837
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,760
can you please go through and 
make sure that I haven't used 

838
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,880
the word like become instead of 
became or active instead of 

839
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,160
activity or something like that?
Because I type as fast as I do, 

840
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,440
my brain just kind of just 
thinks that it knows how the 

841
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,840
words supposed to end, even if 
it's not actually the right 

842
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,480
word. 
And I don't pick it up because 

843
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,760
it's still an actual word. 
So we can use these tools in 

844
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,520
ways that still feel kind of 
like ethical. 

845
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,000
They align with, you know, 
whatever your personal thoughts 

846
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,720
on AI are, but they just help 
make your processes faster. 

847
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,240
And I think that there are a lot
of really good ones for 

848
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,880
productivity that I'd like to 
dabble into because I'm a bit 

849
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,240
curious about them. 
Yeah. 

850
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,160
So maybe this is a great topic 
for like a future podcast as we 

851
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,320
start to explore those and see 
again as it continues through. 

852
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,400
And I'm very interested in it 
and like figuring out how I can 

853
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,880
utilize it more in my today. 
So we will put that one on our 

854
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,160
backlog list. 
All right, Jess, what is your 

855
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,240
last prediction as of now for 
2025? 

856
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,160
My final prediction is probably 
moving away from the digital 

857
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,800
space again. 
I hope you guys are enjoying the

858
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,880
whiplash. 
Digital not digital, AI not AI. 

859
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,880
This is what makes the podcast 
so great, Jess. 

860
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,480
I know, right? 
We can't follow a train of 

861
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,920
thought. 
The trains derailed. 

862
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,520
People have gone everywhere. 
Bring back the passengers. 

863
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,520
We have to get to the station. 
Top Mass Express. 

864
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Scary that. 
But I think what we're going to 

865
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,240
see is more people just kind of 
like shopping their own stashes 

866
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,080
because we have, you know a lot 
of really great websites that 

867
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,960
have a lot to offer in terms of 
decorative pieces or notebooks 

868
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,560
or anything like that. 
And I think some of us are 

869
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,880
finding that we are maybe 
accumulating more stuff than we 

870
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,080
can realistically use in like in
terms of the rate that we're 

871
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,440
accumulating those things. 
And that's not to say say that 

872
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,080
I'm out here like, you know, 
with my ruler smacking y'all on 

873
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,760
the back of the wrist like you 
have too many stickers, I have 

874
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,680
too many stickers, I barely use 
stickers and I have so many 

875
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,600
stickers. 
So I'm right there with you. 

876
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,640
I think we're going to see more 
people just using up or kind of 

877
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,360
like making a conscious effort 
to use up the stuff that they 

878
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,000
already have rather than 
purchasing new, which I think is

879
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,640
going to lead to a lot of really
interesting creativity and how 

880
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,960
people are using like the dregs 
of their sticker packs and stuff

881
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,480
like that. 
Like how are we bringing 

882
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,360
multiple packs together that 
have, you know, some smaller 

883
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,000
elements that didn't get fully 
utilized for the first time? 

884
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,960
We used the sticker pack. 
How are we using the small 

885
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,160
amounts of washi tape that we 
still have on a roll? 

886
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,640
I know that in terms of like my 
genuinely decorative tapes, I 

887
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,720
have used maybe 2 full rolls of 
washi tape. 

888
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,400
Most of them I'd like use once. 
And then because I do my stuff 

889
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,160
for the channel and whatever, 
I'm like, Oh well, I've used 

890
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,520
this one. 
People don't want to see the 

891
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,760
same theme again. 
So I'll just give it away, kind 

892
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,120
of just donate the rest of the 
rolls. 

893
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,480
I mean, that's technically one 
way to use your stash. 

894
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,680
Donation is great, people love 
to get freebies and whatnot, but

895
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,120
I think we're going to see more 
people making more of an effort 

896
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,560
to just use the stuff they have.
I love this idea because I think

897
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,680
it does help you and makes you 
think more creatively about how 

898
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,680
you might and even for yourself.
Jess, I think that that washi 

899
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,160
tape example is a really good 
example where people might feel 

900
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,680
that way. 
But the truth be told, and this 

901
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:27,280
is me, you know, therapizing you
is you have new viewers all the 

902
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,200
time that have never seen that. 
While I would love the thing 

903
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,640
that everyone is going through 
your back catalogue of videos, I

904
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,400
have a feeling they're probably 
not. 

905
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,800
So maybe there's a great way to 
do that or even a great way to 

906
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,560
challenge yourself here because 
you're like, oh, I don't want to

907
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,640
use it again. 
How might you use it differently

908
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,360
in the next time? 
Like sure, maybe same theme or 

909
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,360
wherever it might look like, but
what might that look like 

910
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,640
differently? 
Think that would be really cool.

911
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,400
And I agree with you on this one
a lot. 

912
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,320
I've actually been thinking 
about it myself, one because I 

913
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,800
put out a real recently and 
people were like, do you live in

914
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,000
a stationary store? 
I was like, Nah, kind of yeah, 

915
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,440
where I'm almost like now I kind
of want to do that. 

916
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,800
Like I just want to close my 
eyes and like turn behind me. 

917
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,400
I'd be really scared I'd knock 
over ink or something, but like 

918
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,000
just touch something that I 
don't know is there. 

919
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,360
Hopefully it's not a open exacto
blade and be like you're getting

920
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,840
used right? 
Like but do that in a way to be 

921
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,680
like, OK, yeah, I don't use this
color a lot. 

922
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Well, I'm going to force myself 
to use this color and challenge 

923
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,960
myself here. 
I love the idea, like you said 

924
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,640
with these stickers, when you 
have like one or two left and 

925
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,560
you're like, what happens? 
Curate a new collection with a 

926
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,280
few of those different pieces or
think about a creative way to 

927
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,600
use them. 
I really like this idea. 

928
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,400
And also not to get like 
political about it, but I mean, 

929
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,040
if the economy is not doing 
well, which in many cases things

930
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,080
are much more expensive, we know
that shipping has gone up. 

931
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,280
You know, I hear that and we see
that so much. 

932
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,520
I actually saw that a lot in the
last episode. 

933
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,680
A lot of people commented that 
something that they're 

934
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,200
considering now with what brand 
they go with is if they can even

935
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,520
afford to send it to you. 
I know you talk about this all 

936
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,120
the time, like sometimes to ship
things from the US to you cost 

937
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,000
more than the products that 
you're buying. 

938
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,240
So this really, I think also is 
going to force people to really 

939
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:10,880
second guess. 
And I've already seen it 

940
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,280
happening where they're going. 
I actually already have a really

941
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,960
big collection of notebooks. 
I like that design, don't get me

942
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,880
wrong, but like it just doesn't 
cost efficient for me to do 

943
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,960
that. 
Yeah, no, I think that shipping 

944
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,680
is killer. 
That is definitely one of my 

945
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,120
slogans. 
I have a few. 

946
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,720
Have you noticed? 
But yeah, because it does cost 

947
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,720
more to, you know, get the 
product and ship the product and

948
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,080
availability of products, just 
all of it. 

949
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,000
I think it would be nicer to see
people kind of using their stuff

950
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,240
and myself included. 
The hardest part, and this is 

951
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,240
not me trying to make an excuse,
even though it's going to sound 

952
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,920
like an excuse. 
So like, don't at me. 

953
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,680
But the hardest part is when you
put out a video with something 

954
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,920
that, like, is just not 
available anymore. 

955
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,000
And then you get a tirade of 
comments just being like, oh, my

956
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,040
God, I love that. 
Where did you get it? 

957
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,920
And you have to go like it's not
available. 

958
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,680
I'm really sorry. 
Just like heartbroken. 

959
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,120
Sorry. 
You can't get the Fairies Nest 

960
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,760
Washi tape set from the washi 
tape shop. 

961
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,240
It's really pretty. 
It happens a lot, I even 

962
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,280
happened just recently. 
I did buy stationary video and 

963
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,720
the the multi ball from pilot 
was I had in there and people 

964
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,000
were like, where do I get that? 
It's amazing. 

965
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,720
And it turns out it's been 
discontinued and I'm like, well,

966
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,160
that's not even something like 
specialized or seasonal. 

967
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,240
Like it's just a pen that they 
don't make any more. 

968
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,440
Like you can't find it online. 
But I agree with you on some of 

969
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,480
those other pieces. 
I really always feel bad when 

970
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,280
I'm like, oh, here's the stamp 
set that I'm using. 

971
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,640
Like where do I get it? 
I'm like, this is like 7 years 

972
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,600
old. 
Like I found this the bottom of 

973
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,000
my drawer. 
Or again, when you have a lot of

974
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,120
stationary, you just can't 
rotate through it fast enough. 

975
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,840
I'm also having a lot of 
problems with my markers that 

976
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,360
are like getting like the 
crystallization on them from not

977
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,280
using them. 
It happens a lot with my acrylic

978
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,360
graphs. 
But I'm also starting to notice 

979
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,800
that on like my tombos that I 
have and some other markers just

980
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,480
because I'm not using them as 
much as maybe I used to or I'm 

981
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,200
just collecting a lot and I'm 
just throwing them away at this 

982
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,840
point there. 
I don't think you can bring 

983
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,520
those back from the dead unless 
someone else knows that you can,

984
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,920
but I haven't been able to 
successfully. 

985
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,080
You know, sometimes it looks 
like something at The Last of 

986
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,560
Us. 
It's got like these layers like,

987
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,240
Oh no, I want to put that down 
on my page and just like a 

988
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,400
little cloud of spores or 
something. 

989
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,960
And it's not to say that I'm 
living in some like mold ridden 

990
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,560
house, but like every so often 
you come across a pen and I'm 

991
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,960
like, well, that doesn't look 
right. 

992
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,400
That looks a little concerning. 
Maybe I should get a replacement

993
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,960
for you. 
And I'm sure that like you could

994
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,440
like stoke the tip and alcohol 
or something like that and then 

995
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,480
flush it through with whatever. 
I don't know, I'm not a pen 

996
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,880
doctor. 
But most of the time it is just 

997
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,960
like I use it if I can, and if I
can't, it's going to need a 

998
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,960
replacement. 
But I think that's also a really

999
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,200
good point. 
Like some of these stationary 

1000
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,000
items expire. 
Like if you hold onto your tape 

1001
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,080
for too long, it loses its 
stickiness and it does not work 

1002
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,960
anymore. 
I found that with the tape I was

1003
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,040
actually using in my new journal
setup for next year. 

1004
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,200
Is that because I've had it for 
such a while, it's just like 

1005
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,960
lost its stick ability, as I was
saying in the video. 

1006
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,640
So I'm like trying to get my 
glue pen under there and like, 

1007
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,560
stick it back down and whatever.
I mean, I made some choices with

1008
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,960
how I was using that tape, 
though, like cutting very small 

1009
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,920
pieces off. 
And it's like, well, yeah, if it

1010
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,320
has less contact area, it's not 
going to stick as well. 

1011
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,840
So partially a ME problem, but 
also a ME problem in the sense 

1012
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,880
that I kept it for too long and 
now it's not as not as sticky as

1013
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,760
it used to be. 
Yeah, I think it's also just a 

1014
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,760
really good way just to edit 
through what you have, your 

1015
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,240
hoard, your collection and 
whatever you want to call it, 

1016
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:26,880
your curation. 
That's what I call mine. 

1017
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,720
It's a curation at this point. 
But it is a really good way to 

1018
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,240
do that and just be like, yeah, 
this. 

1019
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,040
I haven't used this in so long 
that it literally has molded or 

1020
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,200
again, just gone bad. 
I know the way you store markers

1021
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,760
is a big part part of that too. 
I swore a lot of mine up because

1022
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,600
I think the butt end of most of 
the markers, you can't tell what

1023
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,160
color it is. 
Not that I can always tell the 

1024
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,480
color when I can see it, but it 
looks a lot better than it does 

1025
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,400
when it's upside down or flat or
whatever it looks like. 

1026
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,880
There's just a lot that goes 
into it. 

1027
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,040
So that's how I'm kind of 
utilizing it now too instead of 

1028
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,720
replacing it, unless it's 
something that I really just 

1029
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:00,880
love and and for whatever 
reason, it's gone bad. 

1030
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,480
But the truth be told, if I 
really love it, it's running out

1031
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,120
of ink before it's getting bad 
or molding over, right? 

1032
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,560
So then I will replace it 
because that actually means that

1033
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,400
I'm using it versus the other 
ones. 

1034
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,520
I just say, OK, so long farewell
and if I need you again for 

1035
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,520
something, I'll just buy it when
I get there. 

1036
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,440
But I'm not going to replace it 
until I need it as a way for me 

1037
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,120
to feel like I'm self editing. 
Yeah, I think that was the 

1038
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,000
question that we were using in a
stream recently. 

1039
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,240
It's like a, you know, if ever 
forbid your house burnt down, 

1040
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:30,080
would you replace it or the new 
one I've seen like, you know, if

1041
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,400
it got dog poop on it, would you
clean it off or would you throw 

1042
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,640
it away, that kind of thing. 
Where'd you hear that? 

1043
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,000
I, I think I heard it on 
Instagram. 

1044
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,400
It is a weird one, but it's also
like an interesting point. 

1045
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Like, OK, if you had, I don't 
know, an item of clothing or 

1046
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,640
something and it got like dog 
poop on it, would you take the 

1047
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,600
time if it energy to like clean 
it off? 

1048
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,440
Or would you just be like, no, 
it's a sacrificial shirt, It's 

1049
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,160
going in the bin or like 
something like that? 

1050
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,800
Yeah, I was thinking just 
stationary. 

1051
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
I'm like, if you drop your pen, 
just clean it off, I guess. 

1052
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,920
But that makes more sense for 
clothes. 

1053
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,960
But if you dropped your washing 
tape, it's not gonna clean off 

1054
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,440
nicely. 
Just go get a new one. 

1055
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,240
Yeah, you're right. 
I wasn't thinking about that. 

1056
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,280
There's probably a lot of 
poorest things that we have that

1057
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,000
just are a no go or they're just
cheap and you're just like throw

1058
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,200
it away anyway. 
Which is why I usually default 

1059
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,400
to the house burning down. 
But it's also like kind of sad, 

1060
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,280
morbid, like again, knock on 
wood, hopefully not going to 

1061
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,160
happen. 
But like, would we purchase it 

1062
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,920
again if we have the mains? 
If we had the same number of 

1063
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,880
funds and we didn't have the 
item, would we purchase it again

1064
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,720
type of a deal? 
But maybe that can be like a 

1065
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,760
little challenge for everybody. 
Like can you find 25 items in 

1066
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,960
your stash that you either use 
up fully or de stash next year? 

1067
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,680
Now I feel like I need to put 
this in my journal as a layout. 

1068
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,000
I was just saying, I think that 
we need to put it inside of like

1069
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,360
a future podcast episode because
I feel like that would be a 

1070
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,320
really fun one to go through as 
well. 

1071
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:45,840
I don't know what to what to 
think about that a little bit. 

1072
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,840
But yeah, using up your stash, 
that is going to be my last kind

1073
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,280
of prediction, but it was really
interesting hearing about your 

1074
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,880
spark. 
And I'm I'm very curious to see 

1075
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,000
which ones that we've predicted 
like maybe this time next year, 

1076
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,480
which ones kind of like came 
true or like still kind of like 

1077
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,000
on the up and coming kind of 
train. 

1078
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,960
But we'd love to hear from you 
guys. 

1079
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,960
What are your predictions for 
the new year in terms of like 

1080
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,040
stationary journaling, planning?
What do you think we're going to

1081
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,760
be seeing more of? 
What do you think we're going to

1082
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,080
be seeing less of? 
You can leave us a comment if 

1083
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,160
you're watching here on YouTube.
Or of course, you can always 

1084
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,560
e-mail us at 
plannerpalspodcast@gmail.com or 

1085
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,000
hit us up on Instagram at 
Planner Pals Podcast. 

1086
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,200
On our next episode, Jess, we're
going to have a little bit of 

1087
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,160
fun. 
Instead of talking about the 

1088
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,720
things that we would rebuy, 
we're going to be listing out 

1089
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,760
things that we totally regret 
buying and wish that we never 

1090
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,000
did. 
That could be stationary, that 

1091
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,000
could be notebooks, that could 
be kind of any kind of fun thing

1092
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,840
that we've used in our day 
today. 

1093
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,840
And just think about it made a 
lot of sense at the time, but 

1094
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,440
then I got it in my hands and I 
was real disappointed about it. 

1095
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,360
So that'll be our next episode 
there. 

1096
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,520
So I can't wait to share that 
one with you and talk more about

1097
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,000
that. 
And always Planter pals discuss 

1098
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,400
them because we all have those 
things in our collections that 

1099
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,480
we just don't like to talk about
a lot. 

1100
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,880
But until next time, Planter 
pals, have a great 1. 

1101
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:58,240
See ya.