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What's up everybody, Mid Journey
fast hours podcast episode 64 

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back from a long vacation and 
did we get something? 

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Did we finally get mid journey 
V8? 

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Yes, we did, although maybe not 
the full extent of what we 

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originally thought, right? 
I mean, I leading up to this 

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there was a lot of hype with V8,
right? 

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We thought we were going to get 
this. 

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There was maybe the chance in 
December, then it was January, 

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then it was February, then it 
was halfway through March and 

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boom, here it is. 
So we got it. 

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And, you know, like we're going 
to get into this. 

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I think like that's where we 
start, Rory. 

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We'll we're going to share sort 
of like our first impressions 

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with it. 
I know a lot of people have been

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sort of like knocking on our 
door. 

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Like where are you guys going to
do a pot on this or what? 

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Really. 
Yeah, we are. 

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We are. 
We are. 

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There's a lot of first 
impressions. 

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I think you and I both have a 
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kind of sentiment with where 
things currently stand. 

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So we'll, we'll jump into that. 
I mean, I guess it looks like 

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let's kick it off with, well, 
let's kick it off with the fact 

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that you were traveling when 
this drug, first of all, which 

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never fails one of us always. 
But when you finally got into 

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it, give me what did you do 
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What did you do 1st and what 
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I just reran the last prompt 
that I had in there and just was

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like, all right, let's see the 
difference. 

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And it was. 
You know. 

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I was traveling, so I apologize 
to everyone who's been asking if

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we're, you know, like if we 
stopped this thing. 

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I was just in a run of three 
weeks of absolute psychotic 

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travel, not to mention the TSA 
and. 

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You got trapped in that I. 
Got trapped in that. 

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I got trapped in the LaGuardia 
plane crash situation. 

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I wasn't. 
Did you really? 

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But I was traveling within 12 
hours of that plane crash. 

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Oh my God, man, come on. 
It was. 

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Come on. 
Sidebar before we get into this,

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just a just a laugh a little bit
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So got back from Miami on 
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back and drive my daughter to my
parents on Monday so that she 

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could my wife. 
And it was like my wife was in 

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one place, I was in one place, 
the dog was in one place, the 

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baby's in the other place, 
right? 

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So I had to drive to New Jersey 
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on Monday to then take my flight
on Tuesday, which was right 

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after the plane crash at the 
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But my flight was at 6:00 AM so 
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So I had to wake up at 3:30 in 
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drive to the airport and park 
there because I was going to 

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need my car on the way. 
Back. 

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Come on. 
Baby, right? 

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So get there at 4 AM, 800 people
in line at TSA. 

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I'm like, you got to be kidding 
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I got on the plane no problem. 
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but it's 4:00 AM and I'm just 
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believe this is a reality. 
Go to, you know, go to Boston 

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for the two days that I'm with 
with Shark Ninja there. 

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And then like on the second day 
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Like, you know, I'm supposed to 
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night, get home, get my car, 
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sleep. 
They cancel the flight. 

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So I'm like, oh, great, here we 
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They booked me on the next day. 
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going to happen. 
I need to get home tonight and 

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like I can't be away for this 
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I need to go home. 
So I re I like go through hoops 

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to get on a flight to to JFK, 
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New York for anyone who doesn't 
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And it's like it's way further 
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LaGuardia is 15 minutes away 
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JFK is like 50 minutes away, 
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So I fly there to 1 airport, 
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to the other airport to get my 
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daughter in New Jersey, all in 
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So I got there like 12:30 at 
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sat in 2 1/2 hours of traffic to
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Like gridlock alert, insane to 
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My parents live 15 miles away, 
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I don't know what the equivalent
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like 35 or something like that. 
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I have just been wasting time in
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traffic. 
Long story short, it's just like

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we're back. 
We're. 

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Back. 
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Like just all over the place. 
But that being said, first shot 

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I got was on the plane and I 
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connection on the plane, but 
Delta's Wi-Fi is normally pretty

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good with that. 
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It's like, oh, let me try. 
Awesome, didn't work. 

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Let me try my my profile didn't 
work. 

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I was just getting like 
generation failed generation 

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failed generate. 
So then I waited and then when I

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got to the hotel I started 
playing with it a little bit and

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I think it was probably the day 
of or the second day that it was

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out and it just wasn't working. 
So I just gave up for a few days

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until I was like, this will iron
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Yeah, yeah, I. 
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first that first two 2-3 day 
issue, it was just generation 

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failed after generation failed. 
I didn't run into that 

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specifically, but I think where 
I where I was at with it, and I 

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think maybe, you know, a lot of 
our audience is with it is I 

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didn't rush to try it out 
immediately like I have with 

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every other one release in the 
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You know, usually it's like a 
you're opening a Christmas 

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present. 
Like, you know, something just 

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like Amazon package just kicked,
you know, came to your door 

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they've been waiting for. 
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speaks to like the fact that 
like a lot of us have kind of 

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like, you know, the workflows 
change. 

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You know, we've got these other 
tools now that have made their 

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way into workflows and yeah, 
we've been waiting for this for 

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so long. 
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moved, right. 
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time I did get in there, I think
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disappointed and I and I think 
it's OK to say this. 

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I love mid journey, always will,
no matter what. 

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I mean, it's given both of us 
just so many things. 

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Obviously we've even got this 
podcast, you know, we started 

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just for it, right? 
But I think like just as it got 

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closer to launch, it just the 
excitement really started to, to

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just sort of like dissipate a 
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it's just like, hell, we're, 
we're probably not going to have

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this ready for, for the launch. 
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kind of sense it with David and 
when they were talking about it,

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just like the excitement that 
they had one month prior wasn't 

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that excitement that they had 
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the, the release. 
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like said it for me. 
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subconsciously of OK, like 
they're not that excited that I 

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can't be that excited because 
I've kind of, you know, we've, 

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we've, we've gone through this 
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I think like we can kind of get 
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and how that's actually going to
translate now. 

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But I was just disappointed that
it's on an alpha site. 

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I know we're still working 
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But ultimately it's just like 
this model, we, you know, last 

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time we got a, a model was V7 
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You know, we're, we're in March 
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And we're getting an alpha 
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You know, it's just like, damn, 
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course, right, like in this 
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you're getting a bunch of people
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non power users, but like they 
use it and then they're 

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disappointed immediately because
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way that they expected or would 
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oh, it's a new model should be 
better, will be better, right. 

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And that's just the reality, 
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I don't think I'm saying 
anything that's that's shocking 

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or jarring in any way here. 
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thing. 
It's just like us on now site. 

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So now I got, you know, like got
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then you've got sort of like, 
you know, what's maybe let's 

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let's open up kind of like what 
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I'll kind of get into maybe some
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we're talking about with, you 
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seeing too. 
You know, this whole UI set up 

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this navigation. 
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just talking about this before 
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like, is this the UI that 
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Is it just like shifting things 
over kind of I, I would hope not

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because I don't really feel this
doesn't feel better to me in any

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that that really is killing me, 
which I know is an easy fix, but

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it's just like, how can I 
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Where, where is that I got to 
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Like here, it's on. 
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and then go and select. 
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settings button is, that's 
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the thing to the to the left of 
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Yeah, and now you can select 
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Boards. 
Got it. 

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Style reference I. 
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I liked this piece like this was
better to me than having the 

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drop down the the like profile 
drop down and then always having

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to like oh wait is it clicked? 
On I don't think that was the I 

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don't think that was the right 
answer either. 

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To be fair. 
I just this, it doesn't, I don't

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know, just doesn't do anything 
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Like maybe that speaks to it. 
You know, I've been in here a 

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few times. 
I, I didn't see it in here. 

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Didn't see it here. 
I did click this, but maybe I 

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just didn't browse long enough. 
And then it's just like, oh, OK,

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I guess I'm just using this 
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And this, yeah, it's just, I 
like that you have this here, 

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but I don't know. 
That was one thing that stuck 

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out to me immediately. 
There's, you know, I think the 

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model itself feels very 
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So like I went through and 
ranked, you know, a bunch of 

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these two like right when they 
did the ranking party, that was 

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kind of this one here that I 
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curating and then I kind of even
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that this was sort of like 
they're combining this global 

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into the V8. 
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get a new global. 
Maybe we will once it's out of 

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alpha. 
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going through here and ranking 
things again, and I did notice 

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that it was able to kind of like
eliminate some of that bluish 

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pink hue that I was getting. 
So this is actually usable again

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now. 
But I'm noticing, right, like 

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with the new personalization 
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party came out with like that 
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starting to see real V8 images, 
When I use this, the images are 

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a little bit sharper. 
They look like V8 compared to, 

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you know, maybe something like 
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with this one. 
So just just an observation. 

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I think that was like one of the
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Let's just kind of take it, you 
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know, maybe doing a new explore 
page. 

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I don't know if that's still in 
the works. 

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You've got this, you know, I'm 
randomized, which is cool. 

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OK, and same. 
I mean, everything else is 

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pretty much the same. 
So right, V8 new coherence. 

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I think that's the thing we're 
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out here is, you know, sort of 
the coherence of it all. 

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Do you have any thoughts on that
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Because I've found it to be. 
It's more coherent, I mean. 

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It is it is more more more 
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I don't to be to be fair, I 
don't know that I fully stress 

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tested it enough as I have in 
the past, but I think like to me

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so far, it's not worse than it 
was. 

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I I can't say it's objectively 
better though either at this 

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point. 
I just I'm kind of in the middle

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on it right now. 
But yeah, I mean, so this this 

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point right here, right? 
V8 prompts differently to V7. 

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Short and vibey no longer gets 
you there. 

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That was basically, I didn't 
even see that in the in the 

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notes, but that's sort of what 
my first like thought was. 

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Yeah. 
When I was trying the short and 

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vibey stuff, like it wasn't 
doing what it normally does, 

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which is weird because that's 
why I came to like it over the 

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last, you know, for for like the
the the difference from the 

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other models being like, oh, I 
can still do short and vibe, but

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I can also do control. 
Like if I just want to like, you

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know, type in the work is dark 
and the work is mysterious and 

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important and I get something 
like banger. 

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That's that's good. 
But then I. 

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Also want to. 
Be able to do you. 

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Know and and and maybe that's 
still possible. 

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From like Jason prompting. 
Yeah, like, and, and maybe like 

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that vibe, you know, less is 
more exploratory prompting still

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really works well from like a 
mood board perspective, right? 

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Where it's just like you've got 
sort of almost like a container 

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of an aesthetic or style that 
you're aiming for to already 

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operate within. 
And so the vibeiness of that 

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kind of creates a little bit of 
room for the creativity that is 

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constrained through the through 
the mood board. 

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So it's like OK if if that's 
still the case then that could 

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be cool. 
This one was interesting too. 

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SRAF and mood Mood boards have a
new version SV7. 

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So SV6 still works, but SV 7. 
Is SV7 the default? 

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I don't know if it's the 
default, I don't know. 

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I wonder if we could get that 
information, like if we just ran

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something, if it would tell us. 
Probably not. 

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I don't think it ever did 
before. 

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We had to like kind of put it in
there. 

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Let's just do it. 
Just do 1 real quick with a mood

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board. 
Do SV7 and do the bracketed 

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SV7SV6. 
See how different it is? 

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Yeah, let's just do, do, do, do.
Nuns with guns. 

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Yeah, that's an older one. 
Let's do something newer. 

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Let's do. 
Let's do this one and. 

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See what we used to do is stills
archive hit enter banger. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I love that. 

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That was, man, that was one of 
the best things ever. 

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So let's just put like 
unsettling character. 

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This is sort of like the vibe of
this we can do. 

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Can I run parameters with this 
piece? 

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I don't know. 
I don't think we could before. 

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It's worth a try. 
Let's see what the difference 

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is. 
I can't type. 

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That's cool. 
Yeah, let's do this. 

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Let's run this three times. 
Let's get a good sense of what's

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going on here. 
So let's see, we have SV7SV6. 

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It is running them. 
That's cool. 

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OK, there does look to be a 
difference here. 

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One looks SV 7 looks a little 
sharper. 

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I mean, look at that. 
That's interesting. 

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Try a different try a different 
mood board real quick. 

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Try something with color. 
I'm curious about the colors. 

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Yeah, let's do it. 
Let's take this off. 

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Let's do. 
Because that was one thing I 

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noticed that the coherence thing
right? 

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Like that was like just a 
sidebar while you're while 

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you're typing this out was I was
using a mood board that's 

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predominantly green and black. 
And typically it's such a strong

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mood board that it overrides 
everything I put in my prompt 

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and I kept hitting it. 
I'm like, why is this coming out

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blue? 
Because I'm just using an old 

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prompt. 
I'm like, it should not be blue.

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And then I looked in there like 
I mentioned something. 

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I mentioned blue as like a 
because it was an old prompt and

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it was defaulting like the 
aesthetic to blue. 

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I'm like, that's crazy. 
Like that never used to happen 

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where it would just like 
actually like really listen like

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that and the mood board wouldn't
override it. 

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But that was one thing I didn't 
know. 

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So I'm like, oh, it's, it's way 
more like then I started playing

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with stuff like that, with like 
little intricate things. 

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And it was definitely listening 
to the little intricate things, 

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but in a way that I hadn't 
really noticed before, if that 

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makes sense. 
Give me, give me, give me some, 

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give me some, give me some 
stuff. 

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Try the work is try the work is 
mysterious and important. 

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That should give us that should 
give us something. 

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The other thing I noticed while 
we're here is that this the 

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stylize. 
I haven't been seeing a massive 

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jump from like 100 to 1000 like 
the the difference to me between

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200 and 800 isn't as extreme as 
it used to be. 

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But. 
So what do we got here? 

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Yeah, I can see it. 
So this these three would be 

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SV6, these three would be SV7. 
There's. 

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Definitely more depth. 
There's more depth, there's more

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contrast. 
Dark like the there's the blacks

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are darker. 
Is it mirror? 

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Is it a little bit more unstable
though, like the other ones 

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look? 
Yeah, a little bit cleaner. 

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Yeah, let's see. 
So like that one for example. 

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Yeah, bareback too. 
One more, go back, one more. 

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Or maybe that wasn't that one. 
Like the stairs, like. 

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This thing, What is this? 
Yeah, it looks like AV 34. 

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That's what I've been noticing 
with with mood boards 

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specifically, I should say that 
is that the mood board seemed a 

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little bit unstable. 
That might be something that 

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they're ironing out. 
Yeah. 

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Like those are SV6, right? 
Like. 

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That these are SV6. 
To me, that's looking a little 

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bit more like composed less, 
less weird hallucination in that

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I mean, we're asking, you know, 
this is a lot, but regardless. 

333
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This is an this is an older mood
board. 

334
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I want to maybe let's try one 
more. 

335
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Let's try one more. 
I think it'd be good 

336
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experiments. 
Try one more here. 

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So let's go here. 
Let's try something that feels 

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newer, not this. 
All right, so let's just put, 

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let's do the same thing. 
And then I think let's also do 

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something that is less ambiguous
and dreamy and more matter of 

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fact, let's do. 
What do you got like? 

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War criminal. 
All right. 

343
00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,760
Yeah, let's just do it. 
Just don't do Homesteader. 

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Jeez, I mean, I think we're safe
because we're on mine, but, you 

345
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know, here we go. 
So let's do this. 

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Let's run. 
Let's run this twice. 

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What else? 
Am I missing Anything here 

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before we run it? 
No. 

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Let's do. 
I don't think so. 

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Do we do? 
Were we trying to test SV there?

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Why is this? 
Oh yes, there we go. 

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See. 
All right, here we go, SV67. 

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Rock'n'roll. 
All right, let's see. 

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So that's SV 7. 
Now, these are all kind of like 

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a little bit of motion, right? 
Like a little bit more lo fi 

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anyway, so just take that into 
consideration. 

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All right, so let's see here. 
Just doesn't look super usable, 

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right? 
Like most of this, these have 

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issues that might be the best 
and and frankly, that might be 

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the best one. 
Like that one actually is solid.

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Mid journey making. 
Go right in on it, huh? 

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But some of these do lack, 
right? 

363
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And then SV6 still doesn't it 
doesn't look much better. 

364
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I mean, so the mood boards 
thing, this is real. 

365
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I mean, this was really working 
well, not on V8. 

366
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So let's let's take that back. 
Let's run the same thing. 

367
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Why does this keep kind of 
adding these? 

368
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And I wondered if it'll let me 
run 7, might not. 

369
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V7 There you go. 
OK. 

370
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What has your pro if it has your
profile attached to it? 

371
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See this is the weird stuff that
I that I'm noticing. 

372
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Also is like the the repetitive 
adding of. 

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Pro Yeah. 
Why is it doing that? 

374
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I get rid of them all right, so 
this will run. 

375
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We'll do SV7 because it doesn't.
We'll do SV7, we'll get the SV6.

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But you just like to compare 
what these look like. 

377
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I mean, these are going to be 
much better. 

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These will these will be 10 
times better. 

379
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Yeah, and you'll see it right 
away. 

380
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I mean usable, usable, yeah, not
bad usable, usable, usable, you 

381
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know, like so the, yeah, the, 
the, the mood board degradation 

382
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here. 
I, I think I heard something 

383
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about that on office hours, to 
be fair. 

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And I do have office hours notes
up. 

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Problem is they're like, it's, 
it's deep. 

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We didn't go through it 
completely ahead of time, but I 

387
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do know there's a lot going on 
internally about I think they're

388
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hearing it. 
VAI think there's some 

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disappointment from from people,
you know, their users obviously 

390
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also PII think probably some of 
the team is probably a little 

391
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disappointed kind of the way 
that things were released now, 

392
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but so it sounds like. 
Try try adding another move 

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board. 
I want to see if it's just me. 

394
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On top. 
Yeah, try doing multiple move 

395
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boards. 
Oh, OK. 

396
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And I don't know if they said 
this in office hours or not, but

397
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I was getting it. 
This is where I was failing 

398
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every single time was adding two
mood boards or more, or adding a

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mood board and a style reference
or like all the fun things that 

400
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I like to. 
Do I mean I could I could mix in

401
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this black and white version it 
this is kind of like a similar 

402
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one to this except black and 
white. 

403
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So we could kind of mix that if 
we want. 

404
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What are you wanting to see 
here? 

405
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I just want to see if it if it 
generates for you because I get 

406
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failed failed creation for 
everything. 

407
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:59,920
In this, I'm going to run this 
on V7 so we can kind of get a 

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baseline again just like we did.
So let's run that. 

409
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Then I'm going to do this with 
what we were doing before with 

410
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Six and seven on V8, so that way
we get the full comparison here.

411
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OK, yeah, see, I mean like 
annoying, annoying, annoying and

412
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it's not actually running with 
it. 

413
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Oh, it is all. 
Right. 

414
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Why are you And this is what? 
Like why can't I do anything 

415
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sometimes? 
And see now I just, I, I clicked

416
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out of them, submitted it, it 
ran without them, but now they 

417
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were added back here again. 
Well, they're probably in like 

418
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the I don't know, I mean it, 
it's just confusing to me. 

419
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But like again, I can't use 
multiple mood boards and I don't

420
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know why. 
What? 

421
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That oh, you can't. 
No, like everything else, yeah. 

422
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,800
When's the last time you tried 
that? 

423
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Today, no, that's. 
A good handle. 

424
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,360
Look interesting. 
Let's let's just pull it up. 

425
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,880
I'll just do mine real quick. 
Just so before we get into that,

426
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just to just show you that I'm 
not crazy here. 

427
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,400
Yeah, yeah. 
It'll probably work because I, 

428
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,120
you know, we're doing this now. 
Here, let let me let me show 

429
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this real quick and we let's 
pivot to yours. 

430
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So this we ran the same 
experiment again. 

431
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So again, at the top here, we're
going to work our way down from 

432
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the top here. 
This is V7 of these two mood 

433
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boards combined. 
So let's go through these really

434
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quickly, right? 
Solid, Really. 

435
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Like it like we're we're getting
really good stuff here, OK. 

436
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And then let's just kind of like
Fast forward a little bit ahead.

437
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Now we're getting into the V8. 
This is SV7. 

438
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It's not. 
Usable it's like a totally 

439
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,560
different vibe like it's not Wow
911 huh Did you see that go back

440
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,000
jeez that's a. 
New World Trade Center war 

441
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,640
criminal. 
Jeez, yeah, like, you know, just

442
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not usable right now, like. 
The thing is like some like the 

443
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skull one, like if you go back a
couple. 

444
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This one or this? 
One that one like is it is it 

445
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,120
monumental? 
No. 

446
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Is it is it kind of cool and 
vibe? 

447
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,000
Yeah, but like like the other 
ones you were doing, I was 

448
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,920
seeing like every other one. 
I'm like, yeah, like that. 

449
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,080
Like, yeah, like that exactly. 
And and you know, we spent a lot

450
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,040
of time with with those mood 
boards, you and me, you know, 

451
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,600
like so you know, if I'm going 
to use mood boards right now, 

452
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,840
I'm not going to be using V8, 
you know, until further notice, 

453
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,880
right. 
That's got to be fixed. 

454
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,760
So all right, I think that that 
wraps that piece up. 

455
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,240
Let's let's shift over to you. 
Let's show me if you're able to 

456
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,000
do this now all. 
Right, let's just say. 

457
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:55,680
Let's just kind of test it out. 
So let's just say I have my. 

458
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,880
I'll turn my profile off. 
Oh, these are cool, by the way. 

459
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,080
Yeah, these are, this is just 
the the work has missed that I 

460
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,560
ran this just base like I wanted
to see the new model. 

461
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,200
I will give it credit. 
Like the one thing I'm noticing 

462
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,600
is that the V8 standard model 
with no personalization attached

463
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,000
is definitely better 
aesthetically. 

464
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
Oh yeah, OK. 
I haven't really tried much 

465
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,800
without the personalization. 
But like, it's, it's got way 

466
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,320
more what's the word I'm looking
for here? 

467
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,520
It it's sort of got a lot more 
like character to it and a lot 

468
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,120
more sort of it's just it's just
more powerful. 

469
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,200
I mean, granted, but like the 
whole thing is billed as using 

470
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,400
your like here here's all my 
failed generations like this is 

471
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,840
what I'm talking about like 
there's a million I start going 

472
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,520
down. 
You just keep getting where is 

473
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,920
the when I start getting into 
the everything was failed, But 

474
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,840
like again, going back to some 
of that stuff like V is this V8?

475
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,840
Yeah, these are V8, but I was 
running some like V7 like this 

476
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,320
mood board, right? 
Like this looks. 

477
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,560
Yeah, I remember that mood 
board. 

478
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:58,880
Like I love this one with the 
intricate details and then V 

479
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,920
eights like this. 
Like it's not, yeah, it's not 

480
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,400
picking up the same way as 
everything is sort of like 

481
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,000
funky, but. 
Try your try your double mood 

482
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,360
board real quick while you're 
here. 

483
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:12,760
All right, let's see. 
And then, you know, like war. 

484
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,440
Criminal. 
You, you know what Roy too like.

485
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,840
OK, so so far, right? 
We've been talking about sort of

486
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,800
like the downside of V8 so far. 
Now there are good pieces of 

487
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,200
this too, right? 
Like, I mean, we, we can show 

488
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,480
some of the things that we've 
created so far with the 8. 

489
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,600
And when it does get it right, 
it's noticeably better. 

490
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,440
It is noticeably better. 
I mean, there are just, you 

491
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,880
know, we'll, we'll kind of 
scroll through those things 

492
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,600
between you and me. 
I think there's a lot that we 

493
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,680
can kind of like pull out from 
an insightful standpoint of what

494
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,200
we're seeing. 
I think the problem right now is

495
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,720
the volatility with the model, 
you know, you get a banger and 

496
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,640
then the next one's complete 
shit, right. 

497
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,680
And so we've we've got to sort 
of close that gap and then 

498
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,920
obviously like patch up these 
things like mood boards, right? 

499
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,880
Like where they're not only back
at the level of what they were 

500
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,000
before, but I I'd expect better,
right. 

501
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,840
So how long it is, is that going
to take, you know? 

502
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,960
So why can't I use two mood 
boards like VA? 

503
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,480
OK, so it's not letting you. 
Yeah, and now V7 runs like it 

504
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,640
does that, right. 
Like I don't get it. 

505
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,360
I don't understand why. 
And it's been this has been, I 

506
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,320
don't think these mood boards 
are that crazy. 

507
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,000
Like, I don't know why they are 
they are they hitting, you know,

508
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,520
content moderation? 
Like, I don't know, let's try 

509
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,120
this. 
I'm wondering if this is like 

510
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,840
one of those scenarios you 
remember last time right with 

511
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,960
when mood boards dropped I was 
able to use to for whatever 

512
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,160
reason and other people weren't.
Yeah, let's. 

513
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,000
Maybe it's one of those 
situations because I don't I 

514
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,080
don't know what else it could 
be. 

515
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:12,040
Let's see, is it just some mood 
boards that are not working? 

516
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,120
Is it like, see this is these 
are like the mental gymnastics, 

517
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,640
like it looks like this is going
to work now. 

518
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,880
It does does look like it's 
going to work now stinking. 

519
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,240
Does it want to do it? 
Should I do it? 

520
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Should I do it? 
Should I do it because we're 

521
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,560
live? 
Should I do it? 

522
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,720
I think at this point now it's 
it's making me think it's not 

523
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,160
because it's taking, oh, there 
we go. 

524
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Because of course what? 
Happened then so. 

525
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,560
What's the, but look at the 
difference in these, in these 

526
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,560
mood boards here, right? 
Like this is the mood boards 

527
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,680
here. 1 is all like crazy 
intricate faces. 

528
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,080
The other one's all wabi sabi. 
This is what it should look like

529
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,720
with mood boards. 
This is what is coming out of 

530
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,120
VA. 
Like if I went into here and 

531
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,560
showed you what's in the data 
set of this, this is what's in 

532
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,080
the data set. 
It's not that it's not that 

533
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,760
different, right? 
Like it's all like these crazy 

534
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,840
faces. 
And then the wabi sabi is just 

535
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,080
like basically exactly what you 
thought, like just intricate 

536
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,840
looking people, right? 
That's all that's in there. 

537
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,520
And now, like, why is this 
coming up? 

538
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,880
Yeah, there's a lot of like 
maximalist things coming on here

539
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,360
for for whatever reason. 
I think it's like interpreting 

540
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,160
maybe the maximalism on the face
and it's applying it elsewhere 

541
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,560
instead of just the face. 
Yeah, right. 

542
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,520
To me is like exactly what it 
should be, right? 

543
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,000
This is. 
Click on that one right there. 

544
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,440
Like from a thumbnail 
perspective that looks super 

545
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,000
cool. 
That one that is down one and to

546
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,840
the left. 
Down with this one. 

547
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,320
Yeah, little, little Adolph. 
It feels like it. 

548
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,200
It's it's that one's actually 
pretty sick. 

549
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,720
This is cool. 
Like this is cool, but like it's

550
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,080
not what I had envisioned. 
You know what I mean? 

551
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,240
If I was trying to go for that. 
Like that one? 

552
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,640
I I really like that. 
Yeah. 

553
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720
That that I, I mean, I don't 
even want to say Hitler one, but

554
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,120
but it's it's a it's a good shot
that that introduces like some 

555
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,760
some really cool elements into 
it. 

556
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,240
That's probably the best of the 
bunch. 

557
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,760
I think like, look, it's it, 
this is creative and I like it, 

558
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,840
you know, like I like, I like 
this. 

559
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,520
But The thing is, what I what I 
was going for was not this. 

560
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,040
Yeah, exactly. 
This is what I was looking for. 

561
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,640
You know, like a little bit more
like this. 

562
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,640
Exactly what I was thinking in 
my head when I'm doing this 

563
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,160
right or this or this right, 
like this is like something like

564
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,160
that is what I'm looking for. 
But I guess you just have to 

565
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,240
figure out how to use mood 
boards again, like I don't know 

566
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,480
if that's if that's something 
that let's see if I have to do 

567
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,840
like, you know, Southwest, 
Southwest you can do. 

568
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:59,400
No, it's s s like 900. 
Yeah, run a, Yeah, run a test on

569
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,520
that too. 
Yeah, I mean, I just, I, I just 

570
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,280
think they're, I just think mood
boards are I, I don't think 

571
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,440
they're broken, but they're, 
they, they've got to be, they've

572
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,720
got to be fixed or patched here.
I, I, I, they know that. 

573
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,360
I, I think, like I said, I think
that came up on office hours. 

574
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:23,720
But so the so it's just some of 
your, some of your mood boards 

575
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,880
aren't working when combined. 
This is so weird. 

576
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,320
Then. 
I don't. 

577
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,600
I don't. 
Move word it's adding a ones 

578
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:42,000
that I don't want in there let's
try this one more time where all

579
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,000
right so it's working here, 
which is this is weird man. 

580
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,720
I don't get it. 
Like, this is actually really 

581
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,520
cool, right? 
Like I like this. 

582
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,680
Like I like some of this stuff 
that's pumping out. 

583
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,400
It's just not sort of 
functioning the way that, yeah, 

584
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,600
probably probably just have to 
be. 

585
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,200
It probably comes down to text 
prompting. 

586
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,240
Yeah, I was going to say maybe 
this is like, and I think this 

587
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,080
is definitely the case outside 
of mood boards which kind of 

588
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,680
goes back to where this all 
started with us is you probably 

589
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,160
need to have some sort of prompt
structure here. 

590
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,720
I think this has gotten it if if
this models coherence is even 

591
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,240
slightly less vibey, which I 
think we we all agree it is. 

592
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,160
I think you're going to have to 
structure it right. 

593
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,240
And and that may be an 
interesting test for us. 

594
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,240
We could either do it here or 
just for folks that are 

595
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,680
listening is try prompting with 
mood boards with more of the 

596
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,000
simple prompt like we were doing
versus something that has your, 

597
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,560
you know, camera shot your 
photography style, right? 

598
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,080
Like almost kind of like that 
real structured, you know, 

599
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,040
specific approach, right? 
We're including the the medium, 

600
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,360
the lighting, the environment, 
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 

601
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,400
Seeing if that changes things. 
But I think in general that's 

602
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,240
the case. 
I also, I also need to do more 

603
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,600
of the testing between standard 
and raw on this one. 

604
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,880
That could be. 
I mean, that change hasn't been 

605
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,199
really that drastic lately with 
the models, but perhaps with 

606
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,719
this one it could be that's 
something worth testing. 

607
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,000
Yeah, like that's the one thing 
that I'm, the other thing that 

608
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,800
I'm interested in here is that 
let me take this one off. 

609
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:22,880
I'm just curious now the like 
see how this is just like 

610
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,719
overriding all of the like, this
is what the design looks like, 

611
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,120
right? 
It's like a little bit extreme 

612
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,120
maximalist, whatever, because 
I'm writing 85 millimeter close 

613
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,840
up portrait of a war criminal. 
Like it's it's definitely 

614
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,800
overriding the mood boards. 
They're like this is way less 

615
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,639
extremely visually. 
Than these. 

616
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,159
Are. 
And what are What is your 

617
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,560
stylize on those two? 
900. 

618
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,120
I mean, so that technically what
we have been told, right, 

619
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,480
Stylize effects mood board 
strength, yeah, when you're when

620
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,760
you're using a mood board. 
So yeah, that's the case. 

621
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,000
That's that's interesting. 
The only the my one other 

622
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,160
problem here is that like that 
was actually legit. 

623
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,720
But also Rory with with 85 mil. 
These should be super tacky 

624
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,960
sharp for from a. 
That's what I'm saying. 

625
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,880
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

626
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,200
And like this one, this one a 
little bit better. 

627
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,040
Right, feels like a big drop 
off. 

628
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,600
Yeah. 
So the the other thing that I'm 

629
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,920
noticing a lot of is that like 
when I do this with, I know this

630
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:29,120
isn't going to run for V7. 
So let me just do V8 HDQ 4. 

631
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,360
Let's see if it does it that 
way. 

632
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,680
Like I've been running stuff on 
Q4 because it's getting like way

633
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,080
sharper. 
Let's do this. 

634
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,160
They got to get these. 
There you go, that's the biggest

635
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,760
pain in the ass there is right 
now. 

636
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,920
So this one, I would say I've 
been getting better stuff with 

637
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,240
Q4. 
But yeah. 

638
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Like I still kind of oddly 
enough as much as everyone 

639
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,840
complained about the V7 like 
upscalers like I I miss having 

640
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,640
it to clean up some of the 
stuff. 

641
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960
I know right it. 
Was like a retouch. 

642
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,280
It also made me change my system
because, you know, I was, I was 

643
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,600
upscaling the ones that I sort 
of like, like the most as that, 

644
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,280
that was more sort of my way to 
filter down, right? 

645
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000
So if I go to organize, I can 
just go to upscale. 

646
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,680
Those are the images that I like
the most. 

647
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,200
Now with that not being an 
option, I've had to go. 

648
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,200
I had to go back to like, 
favoriting and liking as I guess

649
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,720
the the filter, you know? 
Like the other thing I was 

650
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,880
saying was basically like, but 
while this is rendering, I was 

651
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,240
saying like this is stylized 
900. 

652
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,160
And then if we go back to 150, 
like is there that big of a 

653
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,320
difference here? 
It's not that I mean like 

654
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,600
there's, it's not that crazy. 
I mean, it doesn't feel that 

655
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,800
crazy, doesn't. 
Jump doesn't feel there. 

656
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,120
There's a difference, but it 
doesn't feel like a 150 to 900 

657
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,400
difference, which then, you 
know, that could also, you know,

658
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,000
like if I'm thinking about if 
I'm putting myself in mid 

659
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,720
journey shoes too, I think at 
this point, like they could make

660
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:07,280
a lot of things. 
You could eliminate some 

661
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,520
decisions or make them a little 
bit more consolidated. 

662
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,120
And I don't without thinking 
about that for an extended 

663
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,800
period of time. 
I don't know if there's a pure 

664
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,560
like if the, if the pros 
outweigh the cons because some 

665
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,520
people really like having all 
this spectrum to work with. 

666
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,960
But if the reality is the 
spectrum isn't that wide, if, if

667
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,480
the spectrum doesn't really feel
like a zero to 1000 difference, 

668
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,560
you know, like that feels in 
theory like a big difference. 

669
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,760
But when we're running this, 
it's not much of a difference, 

670
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,480
you know, can we just, can you 
just pair that down to, you 

671
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,120
know, three different stop 
points, right? 

672
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,960
Instead of like this whole 
slider and just pretending like 

673
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,480
there's this big difference, you
know? 

674
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Yeah. 
Like I think there's, you know, 

675
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,240
you can definitely tell the 
difference between Q2 and Q4. 

676
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,480
Like there's, there's definitely
a lot more going on here. 

677
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,160
Yeah, click, click into those Q4
ones and and because you ran HD 

678
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,320
with these two. 
Yeah. 

679
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Q4. 
And this will give us some good 

680
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,440
insight here of like, if you're 
really pushing the maximum 

681
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,360
value, does it work like we 
would expect it to work right 

682
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,480
now? 
I don't think so, even though 

683
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,800
that looks better compared to 1 
of some of these other V8 images

684
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,160
that you and I have created 
without mood boards. 

685
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,240
I would say like I've seen way 
sharper way, you know, more 

686
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:33,440
realistic blah blah blah, but. 
Because like, it's not, it's 

687
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,040
sort of like unpredictable, 
right? 

688
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,200
Now, and it's all because. 
We, we like the mood boards, 

689
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,120
right? 
Like I really liked the mood 

690
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,760
boards that I created. 
I use them for a lot of 

691
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,240
different things, but you know, 
we can get in. 

692
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,760
We can probably get into this a 
lot, a lot deeper. 

693
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,320
I would say that to me, my 
overall, like my overall 

694
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,440
reaction to it is cool, happy 
it's there. 

695
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:59,000
I mean, once it stabilizes, I'll
have a better opinion on it. 

696
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,280
But to me it's just sort of 
like, OK. 

697
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,520
Needs, need. 
We need to get the 

698
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:12,080
stabilization, we need to get 
all of the the features 

699
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:20,280
introduced and and working at 
not only a stable level, but an 

700
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,240
ideal quality level. 
And then I think just the 

701
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:28,520
reality is where it's like when 
you give me the edit model, then

702
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,720
I'll tell you how bullish I am 
about kind of like what's going 

703
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:35,720
on here too, you know, because 
again, that really is one of the

704
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:40,640
main deciding factors for any of
us probably listening to this 

705
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,200
with things that we're doing 
that that require multiple steps

706
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,880
or project related work is you 
kind of need an edit model for 

707
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,440
most of this stuff. 
I mean, and and that's just the 

708
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,960
reality right now. 
So until I have that, you know, 

709
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,680
and then, you know, the 
stabilization here, it's really 

710
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,720
hard to say, you know, how 
bullish I am just in general 

711
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:08,200
with, with everything here on 
the journey side, but I'm still 

712
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,160
optimistic. 
I just again, I worry about how 

713
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,600
fast these things are going to 
drip out. 

714
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,520
You know, we, we got this in 
March. 

715
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,200
Now how long are we going to 
have to wait for the edit model?

716
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,480
Because I remember there was 
talk of oh, like the edit model 

717
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,200
will will drop, you know, within
a couple weeks or a month after.

718
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:30,160
V8 well, now if you guys are 
still putting V8 together, are 

719
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,720
you working on the edit model 
right now? 

720
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,920
Like, like what is the timeline 
there? 

721
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,640
And I think if I were them to, I
would be really focused on 

722
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,280
communicating transparently 
about the edit model and how 

723
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,880
much progress is being made 
there because that's really 

724
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,200
what's going to bring people 
back into the fold here. 

725
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,600
Stabilization obviously is is 
key, but you know what I mean. 

726
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,920
Yeah. 
I mean, look, it's like you have

727
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,560
free pic and Luma agents now 
that you can just one Click to 

728
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,720
like here's one image and then 
like it's going to go do 8 more 

729
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:02,320
images in like sequence and like
here's the story. 

730
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Like using the same character. 
Like there's, I can tell you 

731
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,040
this right now, I'm not going to
like spend my time trying to 

732
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,600
hack around an edit model that 
doesn't work. 

733
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,000
Like that's, you know, that was 
two years ago when we try to get

734
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,960
consistency and like hack around
like I won't, I won't if it 

735
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,600
doesn't work with one simple 
click. 

736
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,800
I sound like a diva right now, 
but. 

737
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,000
It's like high waste time. 
Nope. 

738
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,280
That's that's the, that's where 
we're at. 

739
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,120
Go somewhere else and do it real
quick. 

740
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Rory, that's where we're at. 
I'm so glad you said that. 

741
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,920
That's like such a great point, 
though. 

742
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,240
That is the reality. 
I mean, and again, I, I think 

743
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,200
that's kind of the reality with 
this space being so crowded. 

744
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,840
And when I say space, I'm going 
beyond just like static images. 

745
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,120
I'm talking about like sort of 
like the whole visual AI. 

746
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,400
But it's just like these tools, 
these updates, they drop so 

747
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,040
often. 
You got to make a great first 

748
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,160
impression. 
I mean, you can't really at this

749
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,400
point be, be dropping something,
having somebody try and be 

750
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,040
disappointed and expect them to 
come back. 

751
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,880
I mean, especially something 
that they've been waiting for 

752
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,720
and anticipating. 
And that's why I think like with

753
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,520
that edit mile, dude, that's 
such a great point. 

754
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,840
Like you need to nail that out 
the gate. 

755
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,920
Don't don't do it like this 
alpha version. 

756
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,040
Yeah, we're, you know, we want 
to get it out, play with it and 

757
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,280
then get your feedback and we're
going to keep improving it. 

758
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Like I don't think that's the 
playbook to run there. 

759
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,720
I I just my opinion but I I 
would not do that. 

760
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,200
Well, the other thing is like, 
I, I hate to, I hate to say 

761
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,720
this, but like I saw like a post
of someone on X the other day 

762
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:37,000
that was like, you know, this is
like the, this is like how it's 

763
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,000
always been new model drops with
mid journey. 

764
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,840
And we all like don't like it. 
And then we all have to spend 

765
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,280
time and the people who really 
spend time will figure it out 

766
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,880
and like they'll figure out the 
prompting style. 

767
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,720
It's totally different. 
I'm like, yeah, but that's when 

768
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,960
there was nothing else. 
That's when there wasn't another

769
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,280
option. 
And it was like, yeah, and I was

770
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,920
that same person. 
Like you're probably just not 

771
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,640
prompting it, right, because you
haven't figured out the new 

772
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,480
architecture. 
I'm like, look at this point, 

773
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:05,320
like I don't have the free time 
to learn how to control mid 

774
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,360
journey when I know I can't do 
some of the things that I, that 

775
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,120
I needed to do. 
So like I have to spend my time 

776
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,040
elsewhere. 
But that's, that's the point of 

777
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,800
all this is that it's it, if 
it's creative and it's going to 

778
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,680
be visual. 
And if it's the, if the goal is 

779
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,320
to just make beautiful things, 
then like let me control making 

780
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,000
beautiful things and not have me
figure out how to like hack 

781
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,560
around the system to make the 
beautiful things. 

782
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,320
You know what I'm saying? 
Like that I concur. 

783
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,160
Not much else I can add to that.
Yeah, I don't want to. 

784
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,240
I don't want to have to do like 
the amount of time we spend with

785
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,960
this three years ago figuring 
out how to do things. 

786
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,560
Rory, you'll never, you'll never
in a million years make me 

787
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:49,320
forget the loop around work like
work around you you created for 

788
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,480
the multiple character 
consistency. 

789
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,080
Yes. 
For V6, you know, like what's 

790
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,480
that V6? 
I think it's V6 that like that 

791
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,960
was just, you know, 'cause it's 
just like that. 

792
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,520
That to me captures so much of 
where we were at at the time and

793
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,920
how things were for a while. 
It's just like you and you and I

794
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,160
and people that were using these
things, like, we knew how far 

795
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,640
they could go. 
And then we also knew you could 

796
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,760
still do things, but it's just 
such a pain in the ass to get 

797
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,600
there, you know? 
But it was kind of cool and 

798
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,760
worth figuring out at the time. 
And then, yeah, it's just the 

799
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,120
reality is like, time's 
compressing. 

800
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,880
You got all these tools now, you
know, it's just the workflows 

801
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,280
are changing and people, people 
are exhausted. 

802
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,560
I mean, you don't want to have 
to figure that stuff out at this

803
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,760
at this point in the game. 
I don't want to. 

804
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,760
I also don't want to like when 
I'm going there to vibe, which 

805
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,400
is what I do now is just like, 
let me go vibe again and like 

806
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,680
let me just type some random 
stuff in, get some cool stuff. 

807
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,480
Take that like make directions 
with it. 

808
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Like half the stuff I do on mid 
journey now is like, let me just

809
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,680
throw in a random idea. 
Oh, that's cool. 

810
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,080
Let me bash it with something 
else. 

811
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,920
All right, cool. 
Let me have like 17 style 

812
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,160
references. 
See what that does. 

813
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,360
Like that's what I want to do. 
But if that doesn't. 

814
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,880
Produce. 
It's a more simplified. 

815
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,800
Yeah, yeah, it's a more 
simplified. 

816
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,960
You're not. 
You're not expanding yourself to

817
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,320
all the possibilities anymore. 
You're just trying to get to 

818
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,400
where you need to go in a rather
easy or efficient way. 

819
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,840
And that's that's kind of where 
I'm at with two. 

820
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,240
Like I'm not going to go out of 
my way to try to figure 

821
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:26,200
something out in mid journey now
probably if I can't get it in 

822
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,720
the first couple of tries or 
guesses of what I'm going for. 

823
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,280
I just again, yeah, to your 
point. 

824
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,720
But also, if I can't vibe, like 
if I can't just go in there and 

825
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,560
like vibe, create and get stuff 
the way that I want it to look, 

826
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:38,680
then it's like, what's the point
anymore? 

827
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,880
You know what I mean? 
It's like a. 

828
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,560
That's what I was doing. 
Like I would go in there and I 

829
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,160
would be like, oh, I just want 
to create these absolutely 

830
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,120
insane, you know, face, you 
know, face portraits that I can 

831
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,120
look at and just be like, this 
is cool. 

832
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,560
I can use these for 
presentations. 

833
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,640
Like this is awesome. 
Like there's awesome looking 

834
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,640
stuff. 
Like here's like, I'll show you 

835
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,760
what, you know, some of this 
stuff. 

836
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,160
Take my mood boards, bash them 
together. 

837
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,680
I don't even know what I'm 
saying half the time. 

838
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,320
I'm like just like take it, run 
it, remix it, you know, just 

839
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,520
hope to get something that's, 
you know, something a little bit

840
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,800
cooler, like, yeah, cool. 
Like I can throw that in a 

841
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,480
presentation that looks bomb 
like on screen on a 30 foot 

842
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,400
screen, right? 
Or if I'm going and just like, 

843
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,360
where's the rabbit hole of of, 
you know, the Wabi Sabi guys, 

844
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,520
I'm like, oh, I can take these 
into to nano and then just like 

845
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,160
turn this whole character into 
like something really awesome. 

846
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,800
But you know, that's, you know, 
doing this stuff. 

847
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,160
I'm like, I'm just hitting the 
button. 

848
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,720
Go, go, go smash this mood 
board, change the parameters. 

849
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,120
Like I know what it's going to 
give me. 

850
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,080
And like, I want, you know, I 
want to get something that looks

851
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,640
like that. 
And it's like awesome. 

852
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,520
Like I want to get something 
that looks like this. 

853
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,240
That's awesome. 
Is that that last one not not 

854
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,800
the last, the one before that? 
This one. 

855
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,680
Yeah, that V8 or V7? 
V7 These are all V7 yeah so like

856
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,160
that, you know I'm like oh let 
me test the new let me test the 

857
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,800
new Niji on some of these things
that I like also let me just 

858
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,480
throw Niji in there, see how 
that performs right and it's 

859
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,960
like oh that's cool it works. 
It gives me something super 

860
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,320
unique and awesome like this is 
just one session of me like 

861
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,720
vibing. 
But if I can't control it like 

862
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,040
this, like and not control me 
like if I can't predict somewhat

863
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,480
of the outcome to get it there, 
then you know, kind of like, 

864
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,680
well, if this is what I wanted 
to do, I just wanted to go and 

865
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,320
create like explosion. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

866
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,640
Explosion of stuff and tested a 
million different ways, but if 

867
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,440
I'm trying to figure out how to 
get to that point now where it's

868
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,200
like all right, this isn't 
working these two mood boards 

869
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,720
don't work. 
I can't use two mood boards. 

870
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,280
Why can't I use a style 
reference with that? 

871
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,040
Do I have to use SV6 or SV7? 
Like there's so many like 

872
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,400
barriers to me going to actually
do it. 

873
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,760
Then it's like, all right, well,
you know, I hope this hope this 

874
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,400
works. 
That's that's sort of where I'm 

875
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:58,120
at. 
It was just like. 

876
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:05,360
There's, there's one other thing
on VA right now anyway that I'm 

877
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,680
noticed and I'm sure you have 
two and then we can kind of 

878
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,320
pivot from here. 
But like going through some of 

879
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,760
these things, you'll like, 
you'll see, you'll get some that

880
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,000
feel like perfectly focused and 
then others that aren't. 

881
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,280
And it it's kind of an 
interesting mix because like the

882
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:31,640
ones that aren't do do also kind
of feel very amateur ish or 

883
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,720
realistic in that sense. 
Like so so this one tacky, 

884
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,320
right? 
Like you tell the focus here, 

885
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,640
then there's a little bit of a, 
a, you know, a fall off here, 

886
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,280
right? 
So this kind of looks like, I 

887
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,000
don't know, like an F3 or 
something like that 2.8 maybe 

888
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,560
right where you're getting this 
in focus, then this and then 

889
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,520
there's a big drop off behind. 
OK, and then you get like 

890
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,840
something like this run stills 
archive, by the way, did that 

891
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,520
test. 
So but like this is a great 

892
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:03,880
shot. 
But you could tell like this 

893
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,440
isn't completely in focus 
either. 

894
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,760
Kind of like that kind of like 
that. 

895
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,120
Like there's, there's parts of 
that that make me feel like, oh,

896
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,280
this is kind of neat, right? 
Because you get something like 

897
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,800
this and then this, this isn't 
tacky, you know, super tack 

898
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,120
sharp on the focus here, but 
this feels more believable tack,

899
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,720
you know, not a little bit of 
blood, right? 

900
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:31,680
Like, so like there's like this 
mix of some that are super sharp

901
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,200
and others that aren't. 
And, and I kind of like both of 

902
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,640
them in some ways, right? 
Like this one? 

903
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,600
Super sharp. 
Like that? 

904
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,760
Not sharp also feels super kind 
of like realistic, believable, 

905
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:52,560
same, right? 
Like, there's there's, there's 

906
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:59,640
our boy, Geez. 
It's but like that, like I love 

907
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,080
that one because that's not, 
that's not familiar. 

908
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,120
Like, that's not a familiar 
composition that you would get 

909
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,920
out of any other tool. 
Yeah. 

910
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,520
You'd never get that that close 
up crop at the at the shoulders 

911
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,200
down in the bottom left corner 
unless you like engineered a 

912
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,840
prompt. 
Very true, very true. 

913
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,120
Yeah, You were factoring in the 
negative space rule thirds, 

914
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:24,880
which we didn't prompt for, you 
know, but somebody's turned out 

915
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,240
really good. 
Yeah, like love that. 

916
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,360
Like to me, don't think you get 
that in V7. 

917
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:37,520
That that to me is such a great 
shot for a lot of different 

918
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,160
reasons. 
I don't know if other people 

919
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,200
will see it the same way I do, 
but just kind of like having 

920
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,280
been somebody that has had a 
camera that will go on the 

921
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,080
street and maybe shoot a 16 
knot. 

922
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,800
You know, just the landscape of 
somebody that feels like I took 

923
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,600
it, took it in the Lightroom or 
Photoshop, maybe threw a lot on 

924
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,040
it. 
You know, did my sort of post 

925
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,880
edits and this is what I got 
that that looks pretty good. 

926
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,920
This looks real. 
You know, maybe, you know, you 

927
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,560
could say it like if we zoom in 
here, maybe there's some 

928
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,000
problems. 
But I mean, just like from this 

929
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,320
standpoint, like very 
believable. 

930
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,680
So I, I like there are some 
really interesting things about 

931
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,200
what I see here with some of 
this stuff that that make me 

932
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,760
feel like there are some good 
parts of this under the hood. 

933
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,120
I think there is. 
I mean like that, like I love 

934
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,640
that. 
That's. 

935
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:28,640
Yeah. 
That's all. 

936
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,680
The contrast with the with the 
single point light and some 

937
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,560
foreground. 
Nice little split right here 

938
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,200
too, like. 
They they definitely nail 

939
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,040
composition and body because 
like you'd never get a shot like

940
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,520
this. 
Even even this, right, like 

941
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,440
you're not going to just get 
that on any model unless you 

942
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,520
were saying, you know, you were 
prompting the type of the shot, 

943
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,240
the angle of the shot, the body 
positioning. 

944
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,760
You're right, you're right. 
You can never like for all. 

945
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,440
I love nano right, the amount of
effort I have to put into a 

946
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,440
prompt to get like someone like 
even this just like because the 

947
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,320
the spacing is non symmetrical, 
meaning like he's off centered a

948
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,480
little bit to the left. 
He's very there's not a lot of 

949
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,640
negative space on the top. 
It's cropping out his beard on 

950
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,680
the bottom. 
The guy doesn't want to do that 

951
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,840
and his head is angled at the 
right direction right like to 

952
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,160
look real, not like posed. 
His eyes aren't focused right at

953
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,600
the camera like the hood coming 
off the back is. 

954
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,720
Like, partially. 
It understands that. 

955
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,400
It's a great call out. 
So like until you've tried to 

956
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,280
like really engineer some of the
stuff in other platforms, you 

957
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,040
realize how hard it is to get 
this stuff in other platforms, 

958
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,160
but. 
Like this feels this feels this 

959
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:47,360
feels very realistic and 
different from the realistic of 

960
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,440
Nano. 
And Reeve, Reeve does this well.

961
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,560
Higgs field does this well. 
Over saturated most of the time,

962
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,560
but like again, like some of 
this stuff, even from like, I 

963
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,080
can't tell you how many times I 
had like that like a body 

964
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,600
positioning like even if her 
face is screwed up, like to like

965
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,920
you have to describe every 
little piece of the yeah, the 

966
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,440
body. 
No facial expression prompt in 

967
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,600
here. 
Yeah, you know nothing about 

968
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,920
looking away from the camera 
eye. 

969
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,000
Direction somewhere new mouth. 
We didn't just get the the, you 

970
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,840
know, the neutral face that we, 
you know, yeah, you know, this 

971
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,280
feels like. 
So much and This is why it's so 

972
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,080
hard to be like, can you just do
what I want? 

973
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,320
Yeah. 
I thought this was kind of a 

974
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,320
cool angle too, like close-ups 
profile, you know, three 

975
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,680
quarter, you know, like just 
hadn't seen that in another 

976
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,200
model. 
Minimal negative space. 

977
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,600
It also gets like that, that 
sort of like chest like mid. 

978
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,280
There's not a lot of the other 
tools that get the like the 

979
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,440
chest high, low angle like well,
I don't even know what that 

980
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,720
shots called like when you're 
when you're in tight wide angle 

981
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:56,000
lens, but close probably like 
right up at the chest looking 

982
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,960
upward with like a very like. 
Maybe like a hero shot or like 

983
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:01,600
cowboy shot maybe or something, 
Yeah. 

984
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,320
But it's but it's from like the 
chest high like it's it's a 

985
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,040
close up, just like if you're 
tilting the camera down because 

986
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,480
it's it's something you see in a
lot of movies, but you never 

987
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,440
really see it. 
Like I don't really get it in so

988
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:17,440
hard to get in nano or sea dream
or you know, any of the other 

989
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,160
ones that I use. 
But it's tough. 

990
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:24,200
It's tough, like it's some of 
this stuff is so good, but you 

991
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,520
just like want it to work the 
way you want it to work. 

992
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,120
Yeah, something else with it. 
But yeah, we drew and I were 

993
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,680
like, yeah, we'll go. 
We'll do this stuff for like 

994
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,560
we'll do mid journey for like 20
minutes and here we are an hour 

995
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,320
and just complain. 
Yeah, yeah. 

996
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,160
I think the other thing is like 
we've got and maybe maybe we 

997
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,560
just split into another episode,
but I mean, we've got we've got 

998
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,680
some interesting Claude stuff 
we've been doing too. 

999
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,920
I know people listening to this 
have been probably going deep on

1000
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,400
some of the stuff as well. 
I think even without you know, 

1001
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,400
me and you, we've both been 
busy. 

1002
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,720
You've been traveling, you know,
I haven't even caught up with 

1003
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,160
you on on the clawed stuff that 
you're doing. 

1004
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,480
I know you've probably got some 
interesting things. 

1005
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,880
I know I do. 
It could be cool to share that 

1006
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,360
and and kind of show you guys 
some of that stuff to kind of 

1007
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,040
get that ball rolling too. 
And I mean, there's just so 

1008
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,040
we're in such an interesting 
time, you know, there, you know,

1009
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:28,080
because it's just like Rory, I 
mean, like, I didn't know 

1010
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,840
anything about building a Chrome
extension or, you know, you 

1011
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,160
know, yeah. 
Or, you know, building a website

1012
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,520
where I didn't have to like, you
know, save every change I made 

1013
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,760
and, you know, the back of ACMS,
you know, yeah. 

1014
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,320
Just like, it's crazy. 
It's crazy. 

1015
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,280
And it definitely deserves some 
time to shine. 

1016
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:55,000
It's The thing is like it's the 
Claude code is the best and 

1017
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,400
worst thing that's ever happened
to me. 

1018
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,360
Like the best thing that's ever 
happened from like getting stuff

1019
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,680
done. 
The worst thing that's happened 

1020
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,880
in terms of like I just. 
I'm. 

1021
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,240
Go touch grass, brother. 
Exactly like consumed with like 

1022
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:09,800
what I can do now. 
It's bad, yeah. 

1023
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,200
It kind of feels like early days
of mid journey. 

1024
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,480
We just can't put it down, just 
can't put it down, you know, 

1025
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,840
and, and then, you know, like I,
I don't know about you, but it's

1026
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,920
like I'm on the $200 Claude 
plant. 

1027
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,000
I mean, I, yeah, I tried the 
one. 

1028
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,680
I, you know, I'm like maxing out
at 11:00. 

1029
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,480
I'm just like, I have no choice.
But even with the two, it's like

1030
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:39,960
I still would pay, I would 
probably pay $1000 a month for 

1031
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,760
this based on the current 
return. 

1032
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,320
Like it I would strongly 
consider like how would you 

1033
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,680
operate with. 
I'm glad they haven't done that,

1034
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,760
but it's like I'll even the two,
I'll bite on that. 

1035
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,160
I mean, it's just like this is 
everything that I'm doing now, I

1036
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,360
mean. 
Well, it's insane. 

1037
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,600
And then I run everything that I
build in clawed to a GitHub 

1038
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,600
repost so that I can do the same
thing on codec simultaneously. 

1039
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,880
So I can do double the work and 
then probably open up a clawed 

1040
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,160
browser and work in there also 
and then open up a ChatGPT 

1041
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,640
browser and work in there also. 
It's like, you know, because you

1042
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,760
start to see what it can. 
ADHD is it's just going to kill 

1043
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,240
us. 
It's going to be the end of us, 

1044
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,800
yes. 
It's a total dumb one that for 

1045
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,440
the presentation last week, 
something that you you probably 

1046
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,120
don't need, but just knowing 
that it's used that you can do 

1047
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,960
this stuff like I never even 
thought to do it was I designed 

1048
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,520
all my slides in Figma. 
Why don't do you want to do you 

1049
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,120
want to show one? 
Why don't we just both show one 

1050
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,840
or, you know, one thing, since 
we're kind of like getting close

1051
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,240
to time and then we can do a 
deeper dive on it. 

1052
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,560
But I think it like we should 
show it. 

1053
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,720
I mean, I I would like to see 
what you have been doing as well

1054
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,560
and you want. 
To see the chaos. 

1055
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,920
Yeah, I mean, it's all chaos at 
this point, brother. 

1056
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,520
I mean, even even just the 
clawed desktop app where you've 

1057
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,320
got just three different windows
with chat Co working code like 

1058
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,240
I, I forget which which one I've
got that conversation in, you 

1059
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,520
know, and it's like I'm in the 
same tool. 

1060
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,720
I'm not even in a different LM. 
I can't even remember where I'm 

1061
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,960
at. 
Hold on, let me stop sharing for

1062
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,520
a second because I totally 
forgot where I'm at. 

1063
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:22,520
Also, where is my hold on? 
Is this it? 

1064
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,080
Yes. 
All right. 

1065
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:33,600
So funny enough, I had Claude 
just spin up a little like like 

1066
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,880
a little central hub for me to 
just like have all my things so 

1067
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,320
I can see it of what I've built 
and like, it's all this stuff. 

1068
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,880
It's all useful. 
Like that's The thing is that 

1069
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,400
like I have I've just been 
building in a different way 

1070
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,680
maybe than, you know, thought 
about it in the past, Like I've 

1071
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,320
been building all these 
individual, like every time I 

1072
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,000
run something and I know I'm 
going to do it again. 

1073
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,240
Skill. 
Right into a. 

1074
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,880
Skill, How's it? 
But then I then I strip it and 

1075
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,720
abstract it so it make 
everything sort of generic so 

1076
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,160
that like I just keep putting 
these skills in a pool. 

1077
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,760
And then I have a little 
orchestrator agent that like 

1078
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,320
takes my ideas of what I need to
do for something like here's the

1079
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,120
project that I'm working on. 
It's like, OK, let's deploy this

1080
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,440
skill, this skill, this skill, 
this skill. 

1081
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,800
And because I've built, I've 
done like a sort of like a agent

1082
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,160
builder constitution. 
Like this is how I like to build

1083
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,160
them. 
This is how things like 

1084
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,640
typically run. 
This is how I like stuff to 

1085
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,640
flow. 
This is what's worked in the 

1086
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,840
past. 
So it like in reference that and

1087
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,440
then go to like pull all of my 
skills and then be like, Oh, 

1088
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,000
this is the ones that I need. 
It's like a, you know, like 

1089
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,320
you're, you're like a general 
contractor on like a 

1090
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,200
construction job and it's like, 
oh, we need to go get the 

1091
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:47,480
carpenters and, you know, the 
cement guys and right to do this

1092
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,880
job. 
But you know, then once this, 

1093
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,440
once we start like doing stuff, 
like once I, I started building 

1094
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,920
more and more and more than it 
was like, Oh, I've created these

1095
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,760
sort of pipelines where it's for
one thing, but a reviews it 

1096
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,640
reviews everything we do after 
it's done. 

1097
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,360
Like can this be like a 
replicable pipeline? 

1098
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,760
And then we just stash it. 
So it becomes like a workflow, 

1099
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,640
like one there, one there, one 
there, right. 

1100
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,840
And there's all these other 
little tools that I've built 

1101
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,800
like, oh dude, sick one. 
If anyone wants to, you know, 

1102
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,360
have you ever had to use like 
the sketchy, the sketchy 

1103
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,640
downloaders on like for like 
Instagram videos or YouTube or 

1104
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,320
whatever, things like that. 
No, more like you can just drop 

1105
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,000
like dump a URL quad do that. 
It's insane. 

1106
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,800
But you know, I have I have all 
these things that then are 

1107
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,920
working for for client stuff 
like, you know, taking client 

1108
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,680
briefs and, you know, basically 
unwinding them into code so that

1109
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,840
they can be spit into the rest 
of the pipelines output. 

1110
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,400
Same stuff. 
They're like a hat that they 

1111
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,200
keep building all these things 
that I use like everyday. 

1112
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:59,040
But the one thing that I will 
say that's super damn cool is I 

1113
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,320
started at like, have you have 
you ever asked Claude how it how

1114
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,800
it likes information? 
Oh yeah, dude. 

1115
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:16,360
I, I, I think if you're not 
using the LLM to give its 

1116
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,920
recommendations, preferences, 
optimization, you know, like if 

1117
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,400
you're not asking those 
questions, you're missing 

1118
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,680
probably 90% of the value. 
Like I mean. 

1119
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,360
Any any skill that I even 
consider adding Now I have a 

1120
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,120
comb through audit all my 
existing skills. 

1121
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:39,040
Does this overlap contradict or 
is it objectively better than 

1122
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,600
the current skill that I have 
for this? 

1123
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:45,120
Rate them on a scale of zero to 
10 based on quality optimization

1124
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,480
of the you know of the skill 
blah blah blah. 

1125
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,960
On a scale of 1 to 10, which is 
better objectively? 

1126
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,000
I love using objectively. 
Yeah, I'm, I'm not looking for 

1127
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,040
opinions here. 
I wanted to use, you know, data,

1128
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,440
hard facts, you know, so, so 
then it's like, OK. 

1129
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,200
And then, you know, like there's
also a nice little strategy I 

1130
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,880
have where it's like if I'm 
building anything that is useful

1131
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,840
and, and maybe it, let's just 
say it's a skill and I download 

1132
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,280
it and it, I run it through an 
audit. 

1133
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,920
It's like this skill is like a 
six. 

1134
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,680
It's like, Oh, well, what would 
bring this to A10, right? 

1135
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,720
And then like, let's just build 
that, right? 

1136
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,440
And then I'm just going to build
my own skill, you know, because 

1137
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,000
you, you know, because obviously
like you can give it all the 

1138
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,560
information on GitHub of what's 
in the file so it, so it can go 

1139
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,440
and do that. 
I'm actually surprised that 

1140
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,480
there are so many bad skills out
there. 

1141
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,880
And I, I, I just, I did a post 
on this on LinkedIn this week 

1142
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,680
where it's just like you're, you
need to audit the skills that 

1143
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,520
you have. 
Because like my first, one of my

1144
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,600
first things that I did when I 
was getting started with is I 

1145
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,160
was just like adding skills. 
I'm just like, oh, OK, Like the 

1146
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,840
more skills like these specific 
things I add, probably the 

1147
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,200
better. 
I'll just kind of figure it out.

1148
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,560
But then, you know, you get to a
point where it's like, I should 

1149
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,520
probably check on this. 
And, you know, that's where you 

1150
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,840
really get into this, this 
interesting, you know, thing 

1151
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,400
there. 
I mean, and then the other like 

1152
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,840
just, I use that whole LLM 
asking thing like to your point,

1153
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,480
and I know you're doing this, 
I'm not preaching to you, but I 

1154
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,520
would say if you're not doing 
this, you're missing a bunch, 

1155
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,960
right? 
Because it's even like I had all

1156
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,800
my user preferences or the 
custom instructions built out 

1157
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,040
really deep. 
And it's like, Nah, man, you've 

1158
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,600
already got all of that in your,
your clawed MD. 

1159
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,560
It's better there. 
This is what you should actually

1160
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,000
have. 
And you know, and you've got 

1161
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:32,960
duplicates. 
This one actually isn't even 

1162
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,880
doing anything. 
You should delete that, right? 

1163
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,840
Because you only have so many 
characters that fit in. 

1164
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,400
So I mean, it's just like that 
whole, that whole quality check 

1165
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,520
with anything I'm doing is 
happening with, with the LLM 

1166
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,280
directly. 
I know you're using it that way.

1167
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,960
I'm just saying like, if you're 
not, that is one of the biggest 

1168
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,320
piece of advice that I, that I 
could give you, you know, like 

1169
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,200
when it, when it comes to that 
and I don't know, man, it's just

1170
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,440
fascinating. 
I, I think like probably the 

1171
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,680
coolest thing I'm, I'm creating 
right now that feels like it's 

1172
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,800
getting close to being done is 
probably like I'm calling it the

1173
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,920
ghost system. 
So it's basically like a writing

1174
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:20,280
operating system because I'm 
tired of the AI writing and 

1175
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,800
people don't even know, but 
they're still publishing stuff. 

1176
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,320
I can, I can tell I'm I've, I've
been in content my entire 

1177
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,840
marketing life. 
I love to write. 

1178
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,680
My original major was 
journalism. 

1179
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,400
I read, right. 
I just see patterns. 

1180
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,160
I see patterns. 
And so it got me thinking I was.

1181
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,480
Like it's this. 
Right, so that was like one of 

1182
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,600
the first patterns and then I 
was, you know, then I just kept 

1183
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,800
digging. 
I was like, one of the things am

1184
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,640
I noticing here? 
I start collecting all these 

1185
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,080
these ideas, right? 
And it's just like, yeah, it's 

1186
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,000
instead of like, like I need to 
be thinking about these as 

1187
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,240
patterns to weigh against, 
right? 

1188
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:02,160
And then if I can basically, you
know, codify or, or call these 

1189
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,240
patterns by name and provide 
examples and I've got those 

1190
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,600
things. 
And then like that's one part of

1191
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,840
this ghost system is essentially
what it does is allows me to 

1192
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,960
write with my voice or any other
voice profile that I've built. 

1193
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:22,560
And so that's a whole nother 
layer of this because the voice 

1194
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,280
profile that takes a lot of 
optimization. 

1195
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,600
You can feed it posts and stuff,
but that's like one part that 

1196
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,120
will do something. 
It's not going to fix the AI 

1197
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,040
writing. 
So it's like, you know, I I went

1198
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:39,520
through I created like this 22. 
It's 22 layers of a voice 

1199
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,760
profile that I've created for 
myself and then also other 

1200
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,960
people that I like to write. 
So I can also call on these 

1201
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,120
other voice profiles ways 
against the patterns. 

1202
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,760
You know, it basically has its 
own self loop and audit, you 

1203
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,680
know, that it goes through 
checking against I've, I've, you

1204
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,800
know, I've got hooks, I've got 
templated architecture of posts.

1205
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,000
It runs this pre front flight 
checklist, right? 

1206
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,200
Like it goes through all this 
and basically just allows me to 

1207
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,200
basically copy and paste, you 
know, at this point. 

1208
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,000
And that's where I'm trying to 
get, because that's such a big 

1209
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,720
problem for anybody. 
And I'm just, I'm interested 

1210
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,800
enough to kind of pursue it. 
And I've almost, I've almost got

1211
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,320
it there. 
So that's like the one I'm 

1212
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:29,040
excited about the most because 
like even all the things that 

1213
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,680
I've done, I've seen other 
people start to like, I've seen 

1214
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,040
other people try to do this. 
And again, I'll run that same 

1215
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,320
experiment with the LLMO, say, 
here's everything they're, 

1216
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,560
they've got. 
Here's their file. 

1217
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,840
You got mine without bias, 
right? 

1218
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,840
Go through grade each. 
Why is why is 1 better than the 

1219
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:48,880
other? 
What are the strengths or the 

1220
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,880
weaknesses? 
Is there anything I could steal 

1221
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,040
from this that would objectively
make mine better? 

1222
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,520
Is there anything I should add, 
subtract, change based off like 

1223
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,040
blah blah blah. 
So I'm using all this 

1224
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,520
information to weigh against 
each other. 

1225
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,640
So that one's really cool. 
I think like if I were to show 

1226
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:09,760
something that's probably more 
finished, like I just spun up a 

1227
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,960
basically like a calendly 
replacement in a day. 

1228
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:19,720
I pay 12 bucks a month, you 
know, tired of doing that. 

1229
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:27,080
So basically created this in a 
day, you know, so I've got all 

1230
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,440
this and I've got like, I 
created this really cool. 

1231
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,280
You know, I just call it perch. 
Got this bird that flies down 

1232
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,560
right? 
Like goes to, goes to wherever I

1233
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,520
want, like, and then I can just 
click this, you know, it's got 

1234
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,680
my calendar in there, you know, 
and boom, fill this out. 

1235
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,120
Done checked it, you know, went,
went through the APIs, the 

1236
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:52,720
authorization works, saving 144 
bucks a year just from that, 

1237
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,800
right? 
Like, so it's like this mindset 

1238
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,400
of which again, I know you're 
thinking this way, but like, why

1239
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,080
do I need to pay for some of 
these simpler tools when I can 

1240
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,920
spin them up in a day? 
And if I'm using them a lot, 

1241
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:09,040
it's even more important that I 
try to do this not only from the

1242
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,960
replacement side to see if it's 
possible, but to also like level

1243
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,280
up and put in reps in this 
stuff, right? 

1244
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,040
Because we're learning this 
stuff as we do these projects. 

1245
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,160
And for me, this is like a fun 
one. 

1246
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:19,560
I was like, I wonder if I could 
do that. 

1247
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,120
Yep, you know, and then you get 
down to the perfectionist of it 

1248
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,880
and you're like, I want to do 
this and do that. 

1249
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,160
But this is, this is really cool
stuff because it's like, I'm 

1250
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,920
canceling Calendly today. 
I don't need it. 

1251
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:34,840
And somebody's like, well, what 
if you you know, you run into, 

1252
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,600
you know, you got an error and 
it's like, well I don't have to 

1253
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,800
submit a ticket then this is 
running the same APII can just 

1254
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,240
fix it in two seconds, right? 
Like yes, this is the worst AI 

1255
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,000
is going to be right now. 
I mean, I can just feed this to 

1256
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,399
to Claude and say something's 
not working. 

1257
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:50,160
It fixes it in 2 minutes. 
What are we talking about? 

1258
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,920
So. 
It's interesting because people 

1259
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,399
were like, why aren't you 
building like a UXUI around what

1260
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,319
you're doing? 
And I'm like, I don't have time 

1261
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,160
to, to screw with the visual 
design. 

1262
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,120
I just want everything running 
on folders and it runs exactly 

1263
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,479
the what it should. 
Like that's that's I'm just like

1264
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,160
some of the some of these tools 
and pipelines and agents and 

1265
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,399
like like workflow automations 
that have built for Claws. 

1266
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:19,399
It's like, yeah, it'd be so cool
to see that in a like a website 

1267
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:21,319
wrapper. 
I'm like, I don't, I don't need 

1268
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:23,200
it in a website wrapper. 
I just need it to just go. 

1269
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,080
I don't want to deal with the 
with the bugs of I mean, I 

1270
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,479
should change the color. 
Like I just, it's too much time 

1271
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,640
now. 
It's just like it all runs on 

1272
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,560
text files, everything. 
And I feel like a psychopath, 

1273
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,279
but it's like I have this whole 
infrastructure built out and 

1274
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:41,359
it's all in the living 
ecosystem, which I love. 

1275
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,240
It's just like. 
That's that's the fun. 

1276
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:47,640
We're like all creating our own 
ecosystems, our own operating 

1277
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,279
systems that are customizable, 
personalized to us. 

1278
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,760
And it do for like all these 
jobs, like for the work that I'm

1279
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,120
doing. 
And it just keeps like self 

1280
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:00,280
optimizing and getting better to
where I don't have to do the one

1281
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,880
thing that's super important to 
me with the skills and like the 

1282
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,880
markdown files and you know, the
architecture files and roster 

1283
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,040
files, all that thing, all those
things that Claude will build is

1284
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,240
that you can go into and just 
start another project and it has

1285
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,200
context already. 
Like it already knows what 

1286
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,840
you're trying to do. 
You don't have to re explain the

1287
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,520
project. 
Yes, that's that's also been a 

1288
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:21,680
nice like thing that I've 
learned along the way is just 

1289
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,840
like the valuable nature of 
these markdown files because 

1290
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,320
it's like you can also just 
create all this information like

1291
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,520
even for your clients, the 
contacts that you have at that 

1292
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:36,720
client, the emails you've 
exchanged, right, all those 

1293
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,200
comms, right, You've got 
connections to Slack and Notion 

1294
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,480
now. 
I mean, so you you really have 

1295
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,960
this person that understands 
some of the relationships that 

1296
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,200
you have as well. 
So that's been really 

1297
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,320
interesting. 
I was just going to show this 

1298
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,520
one other thing. 
Created these like Chrome 

1299
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:58,280
extensions too. 
Again like an hour each that I 

1300
01:10:58,280 --> 01:10:59,520
thought was just like super 
interesting. 

1301
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,160
So if I go on Pinterest like if 
you upload a pin. 

1302
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,520
Yeah. 
It's going to ask you for alt 

1303
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,040
text. 
And I'm just thinking, OK, if 

1304
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:12,520
I'm Pinterest, like how good of 
quality are we getting from 

1305
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:17,240
users who don't know what alt 
text is right to to put in this 

1306
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,880
information versus like, why 
don't I package that into 

1307
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,520
something that can just create 
this? 

1308
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,240
So I bet I did all all this is 
is I have this here, I can click

1309
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:34,680
this, it's going to create the 
alt text copy paste. 

1310
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,400
And this is for accessibility 
SEO, right? 

1311
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,120
Like boom, copy done. 
I could take that in, right. 

1312
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,200
So it's just like a little 
concept idea. 

1313
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:48,320
And then, you know, I was 
thinking like also, I can't 

1314
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:51,400
currently download anything 
that's in a board. 

1315
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:56,640
So if I go into anything now, 
just call this, right, they just

1316
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,080
don't download board option. 
But like, what if we want these 

1317
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,040
images for style references or a
mood board, right? 

1318
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,840
Like that'd be nice if we didn't
have to click through each one. 

1319
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,640
I can just click this downloads 
the whole board instantly, 

1320
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:12,440
right? 
Same quality. 

1321
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,800
Then it's going to put it in a 
zip file right on my computer 

1322
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,280
and like we're done. 
That's you know. 

1323
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,000
That's part of it. 
Now that's the you did the the 

1324
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,080
first portion of this. 
Now what what I've been doing 

1325
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:30,800
with that is like, let's just 
say that was 800 images. 

1326
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,160
Like the one of the pipelines I 
run is like these, this like 

1327
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,720
bulk forensics where it'll take 
that 800 images, run it through 

1328
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,320
like 60 points of like image 
extraction, like what it's doing

1329
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,160
like all basically ripping apart
every little piece of it to find

1330
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,120
like the data. 
Then it'll take that data, throw

1331
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:53,160
it into like a basically like a 
clustering sort of mechanism 

1332
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,480
where it'll be like, OK, now we 
have this is, you know, dark and

1333
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:57,480
Moody. 
This is whatever. 

1334
01:12:57,480 --> 01:12:59,720
This is like creating like 
little recipes for it. 

1335
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,120
Then it'll strip like anything 
that is related to, you know, 

1336
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,280
brand colors, whatever, like 
that just like makes it 

1337
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,000
templatized, which then I've run
it to system prompt builder, 

1338
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,400
which then goes and this is all 
happening like simultaneously as

1339
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,360
it goes to the workflow. 
And then my nano agent goes and 

1340
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,480
creates it and fine tunes it, 
pop it into, you know, whatever 

1341
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:22,160
I need to for weavey workflows 
for brand content for whatever. 

1342
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,560
And then it's like done. 
And I just synthesized 800 

1343
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,000
images real quick and I can set 
this up for brands, whether that

1344
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:33,640
comes from all right here is it 
works the same way with if I put

1345
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,040
brand guidelines and it takes a 
brand guideline, strips them 

1346
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,840
out, then goes to the, you know,
system prompt building, then it 

1347
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,680
goes to the, the sort of like 
the checker. 

1348
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,000
And then I go plug it in and it 
works like I can take anything, 

1349
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,200
take anything, break it apart, 
put it back together and use it 

1350
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,480
for whatever system I'm trying 
to do. 

1351
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:50,720
So it's like whether that's 
video, whether that's images, 

1352
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,080
whether that's text, whether 
that's whatever, it's sick. 

1353
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:55,960
Because then that's also 
redeployable though, like I 

1354
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,320
don't have to. 
So I see all these like N8 N 

1355
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,600
workflows out there and it's all
like, it's all like linear, like

1356
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,360
everything has to go through 
every piece of the pipeline, 

1357
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,120
even if you have information 
already, but you don't want to 

1358
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,560
run the whole thing. 
And if one thing breaks, the 

1359
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,480
whole thing breaks. 
Whereas. 

1360
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,800
The the skills files do the same
thing, but they don't all have 

1361
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,200
to be used the same time and it 
don't all have to be used in 

1362
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,320
this one particular sequence. 
So then it can just like sort of

1363
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,040
route and pick up what it needs 
to to come back. 

1364
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,000
But this is like, here's a 
here's a dumb one. 

1365
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,320
This one was so stupid, but 
like, I didn't know that it 

1366
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,360
could do this. 
Where I designed my presentation

1367
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,560
slides in Figma. 
When I put videos in there, I 

1368
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,160
round the edges because that 
fits the rest of my 

1369
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:40,600
presentation. 
Everything else is rounded 

1370
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,040
edges. 
Yeah, whenever you go on stage, 

1371
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,680
they can never use Figma. 
So I have to put everything in 

1372
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,280
PowerPoint, right? 
PowerPoint can't round the 

1373
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,000
edges. 
And I was like, I'm gonna kill 

1374
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,040
somebody. 
I have like 30. 

1375
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,720
Degrees in here, of course. 
I have to reformat everything. 

1376
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,600
So I was just like dumped in 
like a bulk file, like a bulk 

1377
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,240
folder to claw. 
It was like, can you round the 

1378
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,400
edges by 30° on each of these? 
And then like we can output. 

1379
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,920
It was just like, yeah, sure. 
Like stupid things like that 

1380
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:06,840
where it would have taken me. 
It's amazing. 

1381
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,120
Forever. 
It's amazing. 

1382
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,040
This was the, this was the one 
last thing I wanted to show you 

1383
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,600
before when I was saying 
something about asking the LLMS 

1384
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,160
how they like stuff, right? 
I've just been, I think I've 

1385
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:24,240
been neglecting this my entire 
time using LLMS was like, you 

1386
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:25,920
know, when you're like, OK, 
here's all my context. 

1387
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,200
Here's like 6 PDFs, whatever 
this, that, so on, so forth. 

1388
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,800
And it's like, yeah, take all 
this and do something with it. 

1389
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,920
And it's just like, yeah, dude, 
I got you right. 

1390
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,680
I keep you asking you like, how 
do you like to ingest things? 

1391
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,480
Like what's the easiest way for 
you to read, retrieve, catalog, 

1392
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,320
whatever. 
And it keeps going like, you 

1393
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,840
know, like, you know, I like it 
the way that, you know, you do 

1394
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,000
whatever. 
No, I'm like, no, optimized for 

1395
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,480
you. 
Best like option you're ever 

1396
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:53,920
going to use. 
However you would build 

1397
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,240
something. 
So like it told me might tell 

1398
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,680
someone else something else. 
It was like, I like notion. 

1399
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,920
I'm like, interesting, didn't 
know why that's the case because

1400
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,360
like I'm giving it spreadsheets 
and it's like, I actually like 

1401
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,000
Notion better. 
I'm like, that's, that's cool 

1402
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,040
because this is one of the one 
of the pipelines I run, which is

1403
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,760
ad template extraction. 
So I can basically like create 

1404
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,240
like formats and things from ads
that I like and I can do in bulk

1405
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:23,760
or I can do it one by one. 
But regardless, I'm asking to 

1406
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,240
build it self optimized. 
So if like if speed was a thing 

1407
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:29,880
and understanding was a thing, 
how would ping back and forth 

1408
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,080
between Notion and my 
conversation the quickest? 

1409
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:36,640
And it pulled it. 
It like really went through like

1410
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,640
a pretty extensive process 
building this out with the 

1411
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,840
tagging and the way that 
everything's located in here. 

1412
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,800
But not only that, building sub 
pages for each with more full 

1413
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,560
context. 
Plus like, like, like Jason 

1414
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,480
templates, things like that, The
creative, like giving itself an 

1415
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:59,120
easy way to read things, which I
would have never, I've never 

1416
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,120
built this, like I would never 
build it like this or think to 

1417
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,320
build it like this. 
I just give it a spreadsheet, 

1418
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,240
right. 
Then it's like, yeah, I spend 

1419
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,680
more time figuring out like how 
and why you formatted the 

1420
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,000
spreadsheet like this than I do 
actually reading the 

1421
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,920
information. 
And I was like, that's a great 

1422
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,200
point because that's, you know, 
you get a spreadsheet from 

1423
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,440
someone you never worked with 
before. 

1424
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,440
It's like, well, why is it, why 
does it look like this? 

1425
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:20,960
I probably wouldn't have done it
this way. 

1426
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,440
And so like, we'll just what's 
the easiest way for you? 

1427
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:24,880
And it's like, well, this way, 
like why? 

1428
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,720
Definitely never would have 
created that known how to create

1429
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,320
that. 
But like, that's the interesting

1430
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,320
part is that they're probably 
not asking it well enough how it

1431
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:39,080
likes to receive shit instead of
like just giving it like data 

1432
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,200
prep becomes everything. 
Then like how do you like a 

1433
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,280
folder of images? 
Do you like them with dating 

1434
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:44,640
conventions? 
Do you like them? 

1435
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,920
You know, in separate folders 
based on category? 

1436
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,800
Like and then what? 
But then also how much do you 

1437
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,320
like it? 
Is that a preference or is it 

1438
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,280
objectively helpful for me to 
do? 

1439
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,520
Because that's that's also a 
difference. 

1440
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,120
You could you could say I like 
this, but is there any benefit 

1441
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,440
of me doing it that way? 
Well, I don't know, right. 

1442
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,600
So it's like you got to, you 
even got to go deeper than that 

1443
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,200
because it's like, OK, like, 
yeah, you may like it that way, 

1444
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,560
but that maybe there's not any 
meat behind the way that you 

1445
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,160
like that, right? 
But I think that's, that's the 

1446
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,960
that's the good point. 
Like that's, that's the part of 

1447
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:19,880
this. 
That's really, it's just like 

1448
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,880
the, the more reps you're 
putting into this, the more you 

1449
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,800
sort of really understand, I 
guess, like what it what it does

1450
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,000
prefer in certain certain 
aspects, right? 

1451
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:33,280
And then also certain I would 
think like trigger words or even

1452
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,120
phrases with with how you 
prompt, right? 

1453
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,400
Like it still matters. 
I don't think prompt engineering

1454
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,640
is a thing, but like, right, 
like you can even just give it 

1455
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,800
your idea. 
It's as simple as just what you 

1456
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,160
want to do. 
And then just hey, like I want 

1457
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:54,680
you to take this and I want you 
to turn this into objectively 

1458
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:59,440
the best optimized prompt 
possible for you, right? 

1459
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,840
And you can ask me any 
clarifying questions you want 

1460
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,080
before we do that and then feed 
it back to me, right? 

1461
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,040
And then that like prompt is 
going to 10X whatever the fuck 

1462
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,040
you were going to put in, you 
know? 

1463
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,320
So it's just, I think that 
iterative component and kind of 

1464
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,360
like that's been sort of like 
the theme that we've been 

1465
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,920
talking about through here is 
don't sleep on that. 

1466
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:23,960
Don't sleep on that at all. 
It's it's so like this is where 

1467
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,040
the craziness goes. 
It's like, it's like clod 

1468
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:31,680
psychosis because it also goes 
and like once you get there, I 

1469
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,640
built what I wanted, but we 
could also do this in your ear. 

1470
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,040
And I'm like, don't tell me that
dude. 

1471
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,760
I don't want you to tell me that
we can do more because I will do

1472
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,680
more. 
Like stop, stop being so 

1473
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,800
objectively. 
You like that use of that word 

1474
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,080
persuasive because I know you're
doing it to get me to spend more

1475
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,520
tokens. 
But it is also like addicting 

1476
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:50,680
where I'm like, I do just want 
it. 

1477
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,600
Yes, I do want to do more. 
Yes, I could make this better. 

1478
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,000
Yes, I know that's not the end 
of the rabbit hole, but it like 

1479
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,320
it's just like a little whisper.
It's like everything you've 

1480
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,320
built here today was great and 
then it's like drop at the 

1481
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:01,920
bottom. 
Let me know if you want to 

1482
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,200
really blow this out like 
tomorrow or something like that.

1483
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:07,720
Don't do that. 
Of course I do don't. 

1484
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:09,800
Don't tease me. 
Like me. 

1485
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,000
Yeah, like I've noticed ChatGPT 
does that now. 

1486
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:20,520
ChatGPT 5.4, it drops like hooks
at the end, you know, it'll drop

1487
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:21,600
like hook at the end of your 
message. 

1488
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,880
Like it's like that was really 
cool, but you know, there's two 

1489
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,040
other things that would be 
really cool and you're like, 

1490
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,040
why? 
Yeah, I was doing car research 

1491
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,440
on it the other day and it was 
like, yes, this meets all your 

1492
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,560
specifications, but there's also
two other cars that meet your 

1493
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,000
specifications. 
Would you like to continue? 

1494
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,000
I was like, you're hooking me to
spend more tokens right now. 

1495
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,480
Yeah, like that's I I'm in 
marketing. 

1496
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:47,960
I know what you're doing. 
Did I push? 

1497
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,280
Yes, 100%. 
But did I know what you were 

1498
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:51,840
doing? 
Yes, Also. 

1499
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,400
So he's they're, they're just 
manipulating us. 

1500
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,400
It's. 
Like they are, they are. 

1501
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,160
It's just funny. 
They're like, just watch all 

1502
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,680
these dumb monkeys, just like, 
you know, keep pushing the 

1503
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,960
button and we'll just, you know,
act like we're doing something 

1504
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,360
and we're not right. 
Yeah. 

1505
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,360
It's like making it overly 
complex for them. 

1506
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,520
Then they'll have to go unwind 
the the the spider. 

1507
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,320
Web they're gonna Yep Yep I hate
like there there are times where

1508
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:22,240
it's like you like I'm just you 
know yes this is ready to push 

1509
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:27,480
OK, push up Nope getting in 
there oh OK, push up Nope still 

1510
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:31,280
getting this air it's like no 
just I need you before you do 

1511
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,320
tell me to push anything there 
needs to be a self audit loop 

1512
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,440
that you're doing because I'm 
not I'm tired of running into 

1513
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:41,600
these back and forth with you 
right like even stuff like that 

1514
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:47,880
can be helpful but I would like 
spend for people that spend time

1515
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:55,040
with these these markdown files 
like that's that's where all 

1516
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,680
this stuff is coming from and so
if you optimize those and you 

1517
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,680
can really personalize those and
customize those to the way that 

1518
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:07,200
you use it like I just think 
that that is a great starting 

1519
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,480
point because that is where 
everything is coming from right 

1520
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:14,760
like spend time on that that's 
going to you know be one of the 

1521
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,800
biggest things to affect output 
quality besides what you're 

1522
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:24,000
prompting in because at least it
has a lens to operate within so.

1523
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,080
The other thing I didn't know, 
it's like you just keep finding 

1524
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,440
things that are possible. 
Like I built a custom node for 

1525
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,160
Weevie the other day with clog, 
didn't know that was possible, 

1526
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:34,160
but it was like backdoor to 
didn't through replicate where 

1527
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,000
you can import models into 
Weevie. 

1528
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,960
And I was like, wait, if I can 
build a mod, if I can build a 

1529
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,240
node for replicate, that means I
can bring it into Weevie. 

1530
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,720
And it was like, it was like, 
oh, you want to do this? 

1531
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,560
I'm like, yeah, just do some 
deep research on how to build 

1532
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,480
nodes for which. 
And then we just did that. 

1533
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:55,360
Which which, which that that 
exact thought like gets me right

1534
01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:00,480
now is just like, how are 
product teams adapting to this? 

1535
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:06,440
Because you can present visual 
workable MVPS same day and then 

1536
01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:08,200
decide if you're going to put 
them in the product like just 

1537
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,080
like you did. 
What's stopping you from like, 

1538
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,680
hey, weevie, I just did this. 
Like, can we like, can we get it

1539
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,640
here, Take it. 
Or, you know, if you're working 

1540
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,120
inside the company, right, like 
just the workflow has changed 

1541
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,120
completely, I think from that 
product, because it's like, is 

1542
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,960
this like if you have consensus 
on if an idea is worth exploring

1543
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,200
or it's cool or could be 
functional, like helpful to your

1544
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:31,480
audience, why not explore? 
You can. 

1545
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:35,920
It's it's time to that MVP is so
flat. 

1546
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,280
So it was just, it's, it's just 
doesn't make any sense as to how

1547
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,840
easy it is. 
Like sometimes I run tasks with 

1548
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,040
Claude or codecs and think it's 
going to take like 30 minutes 

1549
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:49,480
and it's done in like like maybe
90 seconds. 

1550
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,520
And what in what world should 
that take 90 seconds? 

1551
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,680
Like it doesn't make it blows my
mind because then it's like, Oh 

1552
01:23:57,680 --> 01:23:59,840
yeah, I'll go do more. 
But then you never stop. 

1553
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,440
Then you never stop doing 
anymore. 

1554
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,600
So anyone who's watching this 
right now and you're starting to

1555
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,680
see like Drew and I start to 
start to drift down a, you know,

1556
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,680
a never ending path. 
And this is like the, this is 

1557
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,120
like the event horizon before we
actually are just like come back

1558
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,680
here every week. 
And it's just like the the bags 

1559
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,280
and the eyes are bigger. 
So I feel right now, bloodshot. 

1560
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,880
Yeah. 
Also, I got to get AI, got to 

1561
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,640
give a shout out before we get 
out of here. 

1562
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,200
My boys, we're going to the 
Elite 8. 

1563
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:31,840
I'm dude that way. 
Like I, I was up till 'cause you

1564
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:37,440
know, Illinois played Houston, 
game started like 1010, game got

1565
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:41,960
over at like 12:30, you know, 
and then you're, you're so hyped

1566
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,040
up on adrenaline, whether you 
lose or win, that's like, I 

1567
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,160
can't go to bed right now. 
Like I got to soak up the post 

1568
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:48,880
game. 
I got to like hear what people 

1569
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,280
are saying. 
I think I got to bed. 

1570
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,440
Yeah, yeah, I think I got to bed
at 3:30, you know, and then I 

1571
01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:58,920
had to wake up at 7:00, you 
know, I was just like, OK, here 

1572
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:00,440
we go, man. 
I haven't done this in a while, 

1573
01:25:00,480 --> 01:25:03,760
but you're right though, like 
this whole thing is, it's very 

1574
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,320
addicting. 
I think at the same time though,

1575
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,960
just like with the mid journey 
AI image stuff, AI video, you 

1576
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:14,640
know, like there is a window 
here to capitalize on this from,

1577
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:19,600
you know, it's not only fun and 
we're curious, but like the 

1578
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:24,720
majority of the population is 
not doing what you, I, our 

1579
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,280
listeners are doing. 
Like we got to remember that 

1580
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,440
we're in a little bit of a 
bubble and I'm me and you are 

1581
01:25:30,440 --> 01:25:35,480
not experts when you take into 
account the top level of people 

1582
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:38,840
doing this shit. 
But in our general circles and 

1583
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,760
communities, we probably are. 
We, I mean, we, we are right. 

1584
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:48,000
Like, so this is they're like, 
this is an awesome time to 

1585
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,240
explore. 
And we talked about this too 

1586
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,640
when we were doing your like, 
when you showed us like, 

1587
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,600
remember when you're doing like 
the Google tools and all that, 

1588
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,760
like it was just like, yeah, 
this is the time. 

1589
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,000
Like this is the time to be 
playing with that stuff. 

1590
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:03,280
And yeah, it's just exciting to 
now I don't have to worry about 

1591
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,320
running into a an obstacle that 
I don't feel like I can get 

1592
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,920
around or is too big of a pain 
in the ass to get around 

1593
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:12,880
anymore. 
Because now, look, I'm not a 

1594
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:17,560
coding terminal guy expert, but 
anytime I get stuck, I can just 

1595
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,120
screenshot what I have, what do 
I do next, what I do next, what 

1596
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,760
I do now. 
I mean, that's that's just an 

1597
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,760
amazing thing. 
You know, that's just amazing 

1598
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,560
thing. 
Dude also wait before we go. 

1599
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:31,480
Speaking of, shout out friend of
the show Billy Bowman. 

1600
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,640
Don't know if you saw the PR 
stunts. 

1601
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,600
What's going on, Billy Bowman? 
Viral as hell, Billy. 

1602
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:40,800
Hold on. 
Let's let's pull it up for 

1603
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,000
everyone who's been here for a 
long enough time, our friend. 

1604
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,360
He's been grinding. 
Our friend Billy Bowman. 

1605
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,200
He's been grinding. 
His own Hollywood sign In 

1606
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,360
Hollywood. 
They actually put this up in 

1607
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,480
front of the Hollywood in front 
of the Hollywood. 

1608
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:58,000
Oh, this is a, so this is like a
partnership, like brand 

1609
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,680
collaboration kind of thing, OK.
So he's he's now live on, live 

1610
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:07,680
on Fiverr doing AI directing. 
So you can hire him to to do 

1611
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,280
stuff, but they put a ton of 
money behind this. 

1612
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:13,120
How about that? 
What a what a guerrilla 

1613
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,080
marketing publicity's done to 
put this on the highway right 

1614
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,320
over the in front of the 
Hollywood sign. 

1615
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,920
How? 
Many followers, have you gained 

1616
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,200
from that or people at least 
visiting your profile? 

1617
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,360
That would be nuts to see the 
data. 

1618
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:30,360
He's on like local. 
He's on like local LA news and 

1619
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:31,560
like. 
No shit. 

1620
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,120
OK, cool. 
That's so cool. 

1621
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,560
It's. 
Which begs the question, Rory, 

1622
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,720
Yeah. 
Why can't we just create our own

1623
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:43,280
signs and find somebody that is 
willing to let us put them up? 

1624
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:46,800
And that is your own growth 
strategy right there. 

1625
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,400
Like how much you gonna pay for 
the sign? 

1626
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,840
How much that's you know, it's 
probably less than 1000 bucks. 

1627
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,680
Have a good relationship with 
somebody that's got a prime real

1628
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,080
estate, maybe pay them as a 
daily fee to have it up and 

1629
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,400
let's see what kind of data you 
get. 

1630
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:04,320
Like I bet you'd get deals. 
Out of that I mean instant 100% 

1631
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,920
like everyone who's driving by 
sitting in traffic. 

1632
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,800
Just like why is there an ad who
is? 

1633
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,320
Billy Bowman. 
That's what, you know, that's 

1634
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:12,600
what we did. 
We, we just. 

1635
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,320
Yeah. 
That's cool, Super cool. 

1636
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,400
I made AI made like a picture of
a girl holding a sign up in 

1637
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,840
front of the Hollywood Hills. 
Like who TF is Billy Bowman? 

1638
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,880
Send it to him. 
You need stuff like this. 

1639
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,320
That's awesome. 
That's awesome, man. 

1640
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:29,400
But figured we had to shout out 
friend of the friend of the 

1641
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,960
show, friend of the you know, 
one of the original might have 

1642
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,480
been the 1st guest. 
Was he? 

1643
01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:36,040
The first he was the first he. 
Might have been Chris. 

1644
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,480
Chris was the first one, Billy 
was the second. 

1645
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,760
So that's we had to throw that 
one out there and probably have 

1646
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:45,880
to get him back on soon to, to 
just it's so funny that he's the

1647
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:50,160
one that got it because he's the
very, very vocal on on social 

1648
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:51,600
media. 
He's very. 

1649
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,960
He's, he's really been 
consistent invisible with his 

1650
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,360
posting. 
I remember when he first started

1651
01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:00,360
kind of posting on LinkedIn 
consistently and I was like, 

1652
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:02,560
that's good. 
And he's, he hasn't stopped. 

1653
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:06,080
And then he's doing all the 
stuff he's been doing, working 

1654
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,920
on, you know, he's got really 
good projects at clients. 

1655
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,360
And then he was doing things 
like some teaching at a school 

1656
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:16,280
where he's at like some sort of 
like cohort in person with the 

1657
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:19,640
AI stuff. 
And I mean, he's, he's, he's 

1658
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,200
been in it, he's been in a deep 
and it's cool. 

1659
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,840
It's like, it's just cool to see
like, you know, the people that 

1660
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,760
have been kind of at this for a 
while. 

1661
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:29,600
And then, you know, just the 
opportunities that come just 

1662
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,440
from like being consistent, you 
know, and. 

1663
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,640
Yeah. 
And then our boys, you know, 

1664
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,280
it's like so weird, the people 
that have been in this for the 

1665
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,680
longest, like there was a the X 
competition for the Super Bowl 

1666
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:43,520
where it was like the Super Bowl
at 4X and it was like Dave 

1667
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,400
Clark. 
Everybody we, everybody we know,

1668
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,680
yeah. 22 dudes who we know won 
$1 million and 500,000. 

1669
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,600
Dollars, right? 
Like, right, it's like, OK, 

1670
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,160
people that we've talked to this
entire time taking grenades in 

1671
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:59,400
the trenches with like, like 
everyone hating on us for a 

1672
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,360
couple years to now it's like, 
Oh yeah, we just entered a 

1673
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,800
contest to win 1,000,000 bucks 
because you know, you know what 

1674
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,520
to do I'm not. 
I wish I could do that, but I'm 

1675
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,480
not a talented filmmaker. 
I make. 

1676
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:11,040
Yeah, I, I like and that's the 
thing, right? 

1677
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,800
Like I, I think, like for me, I 
was thinking, I, I, I've felt 

1678
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,280
this way for a while where it 
was like, I, I feel behind on 

1679
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,880
the video stuff, but I just just
genuinely didn't want to spend a

1680
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,160
lot more time with it. 
And that's OK, right? 

1681
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:31,760
Like we all have different areas
that, that we like. 

1682
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,760
There are plenty of niches 
within this, right? 

1683
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,040
And it's just like I'm a lean 
into the things I really want to

1684
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:38,520
do. 
There's just enough space for 

1685
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,040
that, you know, like I, I don't 
want to be hired for a project 

1686
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,840
where I got to create a minute 
long video using AI like I could

1687
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,000
I do it? 
Yes. 

1688
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,080
Would I do it for the right 
price? 

1689
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,240
Probably, but I'm not going to 
enjoy it. 

1690
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,200
I'm not going to enjoy it at 
all, you know, and, and so I 

1691
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,520
think it's like again, like 
going back to your Ikagai, 

1692
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:02,320
right, where you're finding the 
things that you love to do that 

1693
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,360
are fun but also can get you 
paid, you know, and. 

1694
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:11,520
Speaking of that, if anyone does
own any billboard space, now 

1695
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,120
that you're listening, we'll 
throw up a journey. 

1696
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:17,040
Fast hours billboard. 
Anyone wants to donate for, you 

1697
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,160
know, a week or two of 
visibility just for a social 

1698
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:23,520
test just to see if we get any, 
any, any life from that. 

1699
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,440
Would love to. 
I'm, I'm a big fan of like 

1700
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,840
stickers on like poles and stuff
like that and like people who do

1701
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,680
that stuff on 'cause I, I. 
I'm with the boards. 

1702
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,880
I do, I'm with you. 
I think that's, I think, I think

1703
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:40,400
it's been coming back, but I 
think it's going to continue to 

1704
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,520
be coming back here further. 
Because now you've got right, 

1705
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,000
like again, if for as many 
people are that are going to 

1706
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,520
pursue the AI side of things, 
there's going to be the other 

1707
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:52,520
crowd that, you know, that where
those just in person old school 

1708
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:57,160
nostalgic things feel just as 
valuable, if not more valuable 

1709
01:31:57,200 --> 01:32:00,160
than they ever have. 
You know, same with like actual 

1710
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:04,760
photography and you know, I, I 
love the Billboard idea. 

1711
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,040
I think billboard ideas though. 
Well, you guys might see us on 

1712
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,160
a, you know, not going to be on 
the mountainside in the 

1713
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,600
Hollywood Hills, but we might 
be, you know, maybe we'll be. 

1714
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,280
Billy will cut us. 
We'll have to get Billy on the 

1715
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,440
negotiation. 
Slap a mid journey fast hours 

1716
01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:21,600
sticker right on that sign. 
Dude, we're coming. 

1717
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,160
We're coming for it. 
But let's let's wrap this. 

1718
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,480
Wrap it up, man. 
Just jump on another call here. 

1719
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,160
Hey, good episode. 
I mean, like I don't I don't 

1720
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:33,520
know that we're like based on 
how deep we went on mid year, I 

1721
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,640
don't think we were thinking we 
were gonna go too deep on the 

1722
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:36,760
claw. 
So I'm glad we got to show you 

1723
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,720
guys a few things. 
I think if we obviously can go 

1724
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,880
deeper on that, we'll see if 
anything changes between now and

1725
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,360
next week with mid journey or 
any of the other models, like 

1726
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,200
just game changing stuff. 
RIP Sora, by the way. 

1727
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,000
And yeah, we'll go from there, 
man. 

1728
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:52,960
But it's good to be back. 
Good to good to see you. 

1729
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,120
And it's just been too long. 
So glad we we're able to to kind

1730
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,080
of sync up and and deliver for 
this for you guys. 

1731
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,640
Hopefully it was helpful and 
continue to let us know what you

1732
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,920
think about V8 as well. 
You know, I know there's a lot 

1733
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:07,880
of things that are fluid with it
right now, but like, are there 

1734
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,400
any insights that you've seen 
that we didn't mention that you 

1735
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:11,600
don't think a lot of people know
about? 

1736
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,160
Drop them. 
Curious, you know. 

1737
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,360
Drop them and we have to reduce 
this algorithm because we've 

1738
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,800
been off for a couple weeks. 
So we we'll be back on here, 

1739
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:23,400
which means also, if you're 
still here, like subscribe, tell

1740
01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:27,360
your mother, tell your friends, 
tell your dog, tell your we're 

1741
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,560
we're having a got. 
TSA agent, if they're still 

1742
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:34,640
there, you know TSA. 
Agent, tell your tell your I 

1743
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,480
don't know dog Walker. 
Tell your local coffee shop 

1744
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,080
owner. 
I think we, I think we got all 

1745
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,840
the dog walkers. 
Now, yeah, I think we got them 

1746
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,320
all. 
Hell yeah. 

1747
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,600
Bye. 
So well. 

1748
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:47,200
Our brother, Yeah. 
Good to see you, man. 

1749
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:48,560
We'll see you guys in the next 
one. 

1750
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,400
Thanks for joining us. 
See you.