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Dudes, the fast food slick ass Persian Bazaar movie podcasts
where tonight we are discussing 1990 twos A Few Good Men
directed by Rob Brenner, written by Aaron Sorkin, soaring, Tom
Cruise, Demi Moore, Kevin Pollack, Kevin Bacon, Kiefer
Sutherland, Jack Nicholson and some other people.
Yeah, awesome, right? Cool how we doing guys?
Living the dream, feeling really crappy.
I feel we're a real podcast now because we're doing an episode
when I'm announcing oh God, I'm so sick.
But we're still going to keep doing it because, you know,
because, you know, we're a serious podcast now.
Yeah, I feel like crap. And I've got like the death bug
that's going round. It's killing everybody.
I'm, I'm probably going to die in the next 7 hours, but you
know, it is what it is and I'm just standing on the wall and
making sure nobody hurts Demi Moore.
So. Yeah, I tell you what, I feel a
little bit like I'm in Guantanamo Bay.
The Guantanamo Bay can depicted in in A few Good men because it
is the 5th November. I live on the South side of
Glasgow and outside my window all I hear is explosion after
explosion after explosion all night long.
Cool. It's kind of, it's a bit weird
this we haven't got a we haven't got a bear in the dragon
anymore. It's gone.
It's done. I'm missing it.
I'm actually missing talking about like this.
Bizarre, terrible, horny, non credible techno thriller with
you guys definitely feel like feels like something's gone from
from my life or light has been extinguished out there.
What do you? What do you, what do you fight
another one? Used to be a favourite.
And just before we go into the actual movie, can you just say
the words Japanese sausage one last time?
Japanese sausage. Jade sausage.
Master sausage. Amazing.
Brilliant. OK, cool.
In the movie, right? Yeah.
So as I mentioned, we are discussing the almost definitive
military courtroom drama given to us by Rob Brunette, written
by Aaron Sorkin, adapting his own play that he'd wrote based
on apparently a real Code Red incident.
Apparently Aaron Sorkin's sister was a Navy lawyer and she told
Mel the case. I don't know how professional
that is. And he wrote a award-winning
Broadway musical about it and how professional that is, which
is then turned into this movie. Tremendous success, $243 million
worldwide. Obviously one of the definitive
Jack Nicholson performances, even though he's only in it
relatively small amount of runtime.
A bit of a serious actor making performance for for Tom Cruise
alongside like born the 4th of July and that and also tell me
more getting some proper acting chops in having to work her way
around that Aaron Sorkin dialogue.
A man who I've described recently as the thinking man's
Joss Whedon, not because of his sexual propriety, which I don't
believe there is any, but just that that very fast-paced
dialogue that he's famous for. So.
Impropriety. What's your what's what's your
experience of the movie? Did you had you seen it before?
We did it this week. I saw years ago, like years ago,
I think this was like literally one of those like washed with
your dad in like the mid 90s kind of films up there with
things like, you know, no way Out, etcetera.
I forgot how good this film is. When this film goes hard, the
writing is incredible. I've rarely been so excited by a
film that's got so much non-stop banter in it.
I think we've all taken shots at films that have been a bit kind
of banter overload before, but unashamed to say that dialogue
in this film sparkles at some points and it's just, it's just
so witty. It's so sharp.
It's like welcome back banter. All is forgiven for now.
Excellent. Yeah, we'll definitely get into
some of the banter scenes as we go through and especially as we
start to talk about quotes in the movie, because this whole
movie is eminently quotable. I say that a lot.
But this is as a guy who's going through a bit of a West Wing
marathon at the minute because, you know, hope and everything.
Yeah. Like, yeah, it's just, it's,
yeah, very much soaked in that world of of fast-paced, witty
dialogue where everyone is incredibly, sparklingly witty
and nobody says a Duff line. Yeah.
Fantastic. Sonia, have you seen the movie
before? Yes, I think that's actually the
fair time I've watched it. I am ruining Ruin though,
because I've come to, well, I've done law school and the Navy's.
I just enjoy it though. It's so dramatic.
It's so over the top. Well, we're going to have to
come back to you for some some legal opinions as we go through.
I'm assuming that you obviously you did law school.
I'm not sure you've been like a trial lawyer, but.
No. And I'm sure the German legal
system is probably a little bit different from the situation of
Tiny, but we. We don't even have we don't even
have have military courts really like we we do not their their
civilian. So we, we don't get like people
in uniform yelling at each other.
They want the truth. Unfortunately, I, I, I feel like
I would enjoy doing that to, to a good handful of people at the
moment. Well, regretfully.
Do you still have like, do you still have like a trial by
combat when when you're assigned champions will go and chin each
other in the town square? It is.
It is common for for your CEO's to just be randomly shipped off
to Nuremberg. I think, I think Rory was going
for reference to the life and death of Colonel Blimp.
Maybe that? Yeah, but I was just calling for
life and ethnic little blimp reference, but of the old final
make home bus. Honestly, I wish we had.
I would have. I was tempted to challenge my
last CEO to a duel. Repeat.
So fucking. I would be on board with that,
but unfortunately I think it would mostly count count as
assault and damage to government property.
So we've got a whole e-mail inbox if you want to egg Sanya
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grade militarised autism. So let's talk about the movie
then. A Few Good Men 1992 is the story
of a Navy lawyer, Lieutenant Daniel Caffey, played by Tom
Cruise, who's known for quick plea bargains and he's getting
assigned to defend 2US Marines bans corporal on a private who
have been accused of murdering A fellow Marine at Guantanamo Bay,
leaving as most of the story. Lieutenant Commander Joanne
Galloway, played by Demi Moore, and Lieutenant Sam Weinberg,
played by Kevin Pollack, joined Cathy to uncover whether a
clandestine disciplinary order called a good Red ordered from
the top brass has taken place and is responsible for the
death. What ensues is a courtroom
showdown with Base Commander Colonel Nathan Jessup, played by
Jack Dickerson, exposing a clash between following orders and
following conscience. Shall we watch the trailer?
Yeah, let's watch this trailer. You pretty pretty good trailer.
I'm going to I'm going to say it wasn't as good as the trailer As
for for Unstoppable, but. Was unreal.
I'm I'm actually in, it's an interesting way just how how
much of the kind of climactic moments of the film, this trail
I just kind of gave away. It's almost like, I mean, this
is back in a time where I suppose you could give the the
film watching public a bit of credit and go if you this guy's,
I mean, the movie starts with Tom Cruise desperate to avoid a
courtroom. We know he's going to wind up in
a courtroom like and you have to and you have to sell the movie
Jack Dixon and most of his scenes take place in the
courtroom so that. Is true.
I mean otherwise you're going to have like what scenes of Jack
Nicholson in his BDU is just talking trash in his office?
Or scenes of Jack Nicholson smoking a cigar and getting
waited on next to his cushy villa on the base.
I was, yeah. Right.
Yeah, I'm. Looking.
For those five guys 1300 feet away from those 4000 dudes, it
is. It is a villa with his
manservant. Yeah, yeah, Big oh big up shader
fucking staying in a hotel in Cyprus.
Energy, yeah. It's big fucking Roman centurion
energy. It's like energy.
It's like it's just like it's a tail as well as time.
Like again, 3000 years ago, this thing probably happened with
like some like legionaries killing some of that dude.
So Oh my God, who, who, who, who, who ordered the deservation
of this one particular fucking. They go around and this is like
like high rank and legionary God, like listen, son,
surrounded by slaves and stuff and like, listen, these these
these Britons that are rub 50 leagues away from me with that
pointed sticks. I'm riffing.
Well, Sonia does what I know he's doing, by the way, and we
stand on this wall. Legionaries can't handle the
truth. You.
Need me on Hadrian's Wall? You need me on Hadrian.
'S. Wall.
It's like. You need me on the lemurs.
Hey, we'd better put some camouflage jackets over you.
Why? Oh well, you know the, the the
ancient Britons will say your fucking lower cast segment Tata
and they'll think you're somewhat to throw Spears at.
OK, get in, get in, get in the 2000 year old Humvee and we'll
and we'll bool along. I'd say I kind of vibes off him.
All the while he's saying I'm the most badass ally tip of the
spear bloke. It's like you've got a fucking
manservant. You're in the fucking, you're in
the Caribbean. You know he.
Wishes he was Colonel. Kurtz He wishes.
He wishes he'd gone downriver and gone insane.
You know, like it's like this. This film actually shines a
light on just how kind of Kush being posted like a nice place
is, I think, because people seemingly will do anything to to
like underline how badass and tough it actually is.
Like, Oh my God, I'm up against these Cubans and the point and
guns at us all the time. And there's all these never been
fucking documented instances of Cubans threw up killing
Americans and got to keep those guns up guys.
And, and it's like, well, it's, I mean, it's you make yourself
look like it's really necessary that you're there and you're
doing a bad hard job because the alternative is you got sent to
Greenland or something like that.
So it's like. There's there's always like the
Super over eggs kind of security brief you'll get when you arrive
in theatre. And then it's like right now
you've been through this, the security brief, which has like
video footage of people lobbing fire bombs at each other and a
blow whipping out a shotgun on the on the on the motorway and
stuff. That's a Jay with the I watched
once on arrival at the Bahrain and it's like right, cool.
When you want to go after this, you want to go to Scan Alley,
then go to the pictures. Scan Alley, I love it.
Yeah, gosh, brilliant. Yeah, it's this one St in in
Bahrain right next to the American base, which is just
like full of like five guys and like and like 3 guys, which is a
different local knock off. That's incredible.
Yeah. That's austerity.
That's austerity in action. Yeah, so they shouldn't.
Have done for for something like 5 wives or something that would
have been OK. Wow.
No, I'm not doing the cultural sensitivity brief today.
Thank you. Brilliant.
This movie, right? It starts with some very funky
arms drill by the US Marines. Yeah.
So what do you guys think of? Think of that with the.
I like that with the music and everything.
Very, very fancy. It was done by I noticed
creditors actually took a picture on the screen.
I noticed that in the credits, this this incredibly Ally arms
drill, which was so frigging cool, was performed by this name
was an absolute mouthful. The association of former fish
drill team members of cadets at Texas A&M University.
Brilliant. Giggum go Aggies.
Nice. Because we see that a little bit
and then the next thing we see is the crime in question, which
is the cool red being done on private first class moving in
Santiago by his two oppos. It looks really brutal.
They cut before it gets probably bad, but you know, they seem
like duct take his mouth shut and shove the rag down his
throat and all that kind of stuff.
Pretty grim. And then it comes back to the
the drill team. And then we first clap eyes on
Demi Moore as Lieutenant Commander Joanne Galloway, the
Jag Corps, as she just kind of walks right through where
they've been marching. Yeah, which is a little bit in,
in. Where did she come from?
She emerged from the tree line and was walking across the
fields. That's how you summon that.
That's that's how you summon a. Unique drill circle to summon
that. Marching bands.
And then next for the tree line, a bit like M Night Sherman's the
village in reverse, but we want to get her out of the tree line.
That's since what she's she's the the what the senior counsel
to the Bureau of Internal Affairs or something cool.
She's muttering to herself about how she wants to get a
particular case. She's she's on her way to a
meeting with a with A4 ring captain and she's kind of saying
she's like trying to rephrase a sentence to herself.
And she's also really nervous. She's like I, I believe it is I
who should be assigned to this. I I think that given the
seriousness, it, it ought to be me that is the one that is
assigned or is gets the assignment to.
And she like, can't find a sentence to say.
Yeah. And then she's yeah.
But that's what's her little journey.
And then we cut to our boy, the son and Daniel Cathy, Tom
Cruise. And he's playing softball.
And it's it's Tom Cruise doing a sport.
What do you what do you think of Tom Cruise doing a sport right
away? Against some, against some deja
vu, because we talked about this the last episode as well.
I, I don't, I don't fully believe was a sportsman.
I don't think any of us truly, truly believe this man as a
sportsman. There's an element of not quite
full kit wanker, but he's certainly got like top half up
kit wanker energy because he's he's got he's got a little got a
little baseball cap on Boston Red Sox.
Something that I noticed was whole scene was just how at
times he really reminded me of Schmidt from New Girl.
Yeah. Dialogue in that little
sequence, something about like the way he kind of carries
himself as well. There are moments in this film
when he has this like level of schmittiness, this like kind of
this points when when when the role could have been played by
Max Greenfield for at least some of the film.
Man. Can you imagine actually?
Great casting. What if?
Imagine if that movie was made like 20 years later.
Pick New Girl era even now actually.
Pick New Girl era. Yes, we could even have Zoe
Deschanel in Can, Can you? Imagine.
No. That's rude.
No, no. Just try the whole thing.
Oh. No, but no bug screw for that
would be awesome man. Yeah, man.
Then we come back to Tim Moore and she's in her meeting with A4
Ring Captain Jack Guy and he's they've taken delivery of the
case notes for the the case, which is Lance Corporal Dawson
and Private First Class Downey, U.S.
Marines who have been charged with the murder of Private First
Class William Santiago. They've brought in Danny Moore
into the office because she's a really good investigator and
she's called the case and she's really passionate about trying
to sort out these these code red things.
But everyone's been very ginger about it because they're all
scared of the absolute shitstorm it's going to bring up Because
the commanding officer of the base down there is tipped to
become the new, you know, director of operations for the
National Security Advisor. So it's a political minefield.
Then she finds out it's going to although dunk dunk Cathy, who we
just saw with his careful attitude in his desire to get a
plea bargain and his absolute allergic reaction to attending a
courtroom. Dan Caffey generally thinks he's
the shit and he's been picked for this case because he's so
good and doesn't yet realise that he's actually just being
picked for this case because he's proper Rouge and and and
would not dare take it to trial. Yeah.
Cool. What do you think of what do you
think of our cast so far? Sonya pop in first.
Wading into a really seeming hot water here.
Just saying that I think I am generally not all that much of A
Tom Cruise fan, but I think you really fixed this one.
Yeah, that's pretty common for you these days, isn't it?
Let's talk about Tom Cruise, show about it.
Let's talk about Tom Cruise for a minute, OK?
Yeah, let's do this. So.
He is actually really good on this film.
Yeah. About 1/4 way through the film,
I thought this is a this is a Tom Cruise all timer as far as
performances go alike like the subtleties of even things like
his facial expressions, his reactions, especially,
especially in the scene when spoilers, because it's a spoiler
cast when he when he just rage baits Jack Nicholson into
admitting that he you know, or add the code red, the look on
his face together. A couple of you got away with
that kind of thing. The reactions, the facial
expressions, it's it's really good.
I hate that performance of his. In my opinion, it's one of his
best. Probably controversial, but it
is what it is. Yeah.
Should we, should we address the Tom Cruise of it all?
So I totally agree with you, Roy.
I think, I think he's really, really good in this role.
Yeah. I, I will say now, opinions
obviously vary about the guy. A lot of speculation about his
personal life and his contract on set sometimes as well.
We all remember during COVID when he had that missive
blowout, do I think it was the first dead reckoning?
They were filming at the time and he and he had that whole big
crash out and it was recorded because people weren't masking
up properly on set and stuff and he was kicking off about it.
Remember that. This.
No, I think I missed that crash out actually.
We could always drop a clip of it in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll find a cut for it and put
it in. We are the gold standard.
You're back here in Hollywood making movies right now because
of us, because they believe in us and what we're getting.
I'm on the phone with every studio at night, insurance
companies, producers, and they're looking at us and using
us to make their movies. We are creating thousands of
jobs. I don't ever want to see it
again, ever. Obviously. 2005 The the hopping
on the sofa, yeah. Yeah.
The Katie Holmes stuff, obviously his kind of early
foray into into Scientology, which I think it was a Mimi
Rogers thing. I have to double check this.
I don't want to get in trouble, but I think Mimi Rogers is what
got got him into it. And then he then he got out of
it with Nicole Kidman, I think. And then he got kind of dragged
back into it even deeper, like the Godfather part three kind of
thing. And then, yeah.
And then and then since then he's kind of like kind of had a
weird passo in his career. At this point, though, he's
doing some really good stuff. So at this point, it's great.
Tom Cruise having done like the kind of early like cocktail Days
of Thunder kind of rules where, yeah, he's got like good people
around him in supporting roles, people like like Robert Duvalls
and and and Days of Thunder has a relatively minor role, but
he's a like good like mental character.
Top Gun. He's got Tom Skerritt there
seasoned all director kind of helping along in a mentoring
role. Now we're getting to the point
in his career, I think, where he's starting to do like 2 to 2
with like these giants and he's got to act as much as they could
act. He's kind of been a bit like,
I'm not talking, obviously what he does is difficult, but he was
kind of a pretty face in like in like Top Gun for a lot of it has
a couple of emotional scenes, but he's he's mainly a pretty
face right at this point in his career now he's doing he's done
stuff like I think born the 4th of July, he's like 24.
I think he's done this the next year.
He's got the firm with Gene Hackman.
Yeah. So he's coming against.
He's like Titans. And this is a really good
example of that with with Jack Nicholson, like incredible
performance, incredible performance of Jack Nilson.
And yet and yet, like Tom is like there with him, like
holding his own, I think. Totally.
The the scene when he's at the base at the, I'm going to keep
calling it the villa because it looks like a villa.
You know what he's having is when, when, when he's been
invited to be flexed at. Colonel Nathan R Jessup.
Colonel Nathan, Nathan R Jessup. Yeah.
And this one, Jack Nicholson basically invites him was flex
off and. And you know that he's like kind
of that flex on him because he's already halfway through a badass
dip when he arrives, found a piece of white cloth and he's
surrounded to ACNN news team. And I was like, oh, there you
are. The guy I've been trying to
humiliate. And yeah, in terms of acting
like, yeah, he's he. He matches them blow for blow.
It's really good chop for chop. It's excellent.
Nobody seems out of out of the league in that whole scene.
Yeah, yeah. This movie's quite so people who
I think who haven't had necessarily the the credit for
being great actors prize this movie.
I think really to step up and give the regame.
I think there's there's a couple of people I think are maybe
slightly wicked on this and I think their careers have borne
out in that in that way, unfortunately do still do good
work in this movie. And I do believe them.
But I think they do stick out a little bit.
I think, I think, I think our two defendants, I think Wolfgang
Butterson as, as Harold Dawson is maybe outmatched a little
bit, has a bit of a got a got a weird energy from him.
Apart from the bit where he doesn't salute and put his hands
in his pockets. That's brilliant.
He does that, He sells that. He says that so well.
That was absolutely class that was meant.
Yeah, he's really good. At that, yeah, that that was,
that was a nod to the real defence heads and the whole
marines can't put their hands in the pockets kind of thing that's
constantly beamed upon, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really good.
James Marshall is Private Loudon Downey, who people may know more
for being James. He's called James Marshall in
real life, James Hurley in Twin Peaks.
I think he's somewhat out of his depth as an actor.
Unfortunately, in this movie it helps his character is like very
simple. Yeah.
I mean, I was going to say thick as men's for very simple.
Yeah. He's he, he, he is not a smart
man. There's.
A There's a there's definitely a there's definitely a deleted
scene where he's got like a packet of crayons for a snack.
In he's he's he's skating close to like simple Jack.
Everybody else, though, stepped up.
I think so. Kevin Bacon, Jack Ross really
good performance believable unbelievable as this this Marine
will heart goals still fiercely. I get a very good Kiefer
Sutherland as as as Kendrick, second left second Lieutenant
Jonathan Kendrick, by the way, so pretty, pretty junior
officer. Absolute absolute psychopath.
Corn fed, corn fed psychopath like.
Unsettling performance. Unsettling performance.
Genuinely terrifying. Sutherland there and safe.
The Sutherland DNA is strong in that performance.
Yeah, if if, like you get the vibe from him that if he wasn't
an officer in the US Marine Corps, he would be making a use
of himself in someone's Police Department.
Yeah, yeah. Really bad.
He'd be very much a turn off the
body Cam and then do horrendous things kind of guy.
Yeah, definitely, Definitely. Yeah.
You see him take a set against Dan Caffey when Jess spells a
story out about how his father, like, I thought his name Lionel
Cafe, I think his name is his dad is.
Yeah. His dad was a a litigator who
went down to Alabama and then and then won like a serious
civil action about allowing like, integration in schools.
Yeah, that was it. And then that.
And that's what sets keep his own off against him.
He's like, oh, oh, you come down to my Alabama.
They want to mix my schools. Well, I'm a horrible racist who
loves the Bible. Coming to my house in to create
my schools or be a racist. It's it's it's pretty much says
the quiet part out loud. And he is just a horrible, nasty
little Christian nationalist kind of guy.
He's the kind of guy who would hopefully get flags like
extremism in in today's woke military.
Hopefully. Probably not.
See JT Walsh as well. Brilliant.
JT Walsh was Lieutenant Colonel Markinson.
Andrew Markinson. Yeah, Andrew Markinson.
So he's he's the one that was a contemporary of Jessup's and
they get outpaced. Is now serving as EXO at the at
Gitmo. He's brilliant as well.
I think he has a very, he's got a very small role.
Yeah. But holds it with like a real
quiet dignity. He does.
And you can see like, right when people talk about, we use words
like honour and code when you talk about the actual honour and
the service values of, of what the US Marine Corps is probably
meant to exemplify when it's not being perverted by the likes of
Jessup, like like JC Walsh's character.
It's like what you expect it to be like these professional,
competent, you know, men who and women, but who who you know,
have these these set of values and and live by them.
And the fact that he had like kills himself out of out of
because he's dishonoured himself by participating in the cover
up. Yeah speaks well and we've got
Sheila Gooding junior Yeah, as a corporal call Hamaker.
He's only in like 1 scene and it's just like for a split
second you're like, you probably should have been, you probably
should have been Dawson if we're being real, like in terms of
quality of actor, but but then the. 2nd, you can guarantee
there would have been a discussion, a discussion at the
like the kind of producer level of are we going to cast a man
called Cuba to act in a major role in a film that's partially
set in Cuba? And there would have been a like
a literal discussion of is, is this going to make our film look
silly? Well, they cast America Ferrera
and Barbie, and a lot of that takes place in America.
But these are things we know now in the enlightened 21st century
man the main characters. Navy guy whose last name is
Coffee. Oh my God, yeah, it's the whole.
Thing is a cliche. That's right, of course he's
homeboy, so swagger around with a German word for coffee is his
handle. So yeah.
Very good. Probably the weirdest 1 is
Christopher Guest. Is Doctor Stone the the Doctor
in charge in Gitmo? Yeah.
From Spinal Tap and and went for government and everything.
Obviously, obviously Rob Renner was like, have I got a row for
you? Is it is it funny?
I don't know. Is someone drowning in the blood
in their own lungs funny? No, like it.
Yeah. Awesome.
Yeah. That we took it was too little
break there to talk about all the cast in great detail.
We can skip that category now. Cool.
Right. Yeah.
OK, so let's, let's go ahead a little bit.
So there's a little bit of an R about who's going to take the
case and what they're going to do.
They go to Cuba to to do a little bit of investigating.
And we see that Cafe, despite his best intents, he, he doesn't
really, he doesn't want to take the case.
He, he doesn't want to. He just wants to brush it away
like everybody else does. He's intimidated by Jessup and
he's not got the instincts to be a good investigator yet.
And you see that when they go and like do a tour of his, his,
his, like, I want to say Mystic, his, his cabin, I guess his
cabin. And they're looking like
obviously the crime scene, they're looking at the crime
scene, looking through stuff. We see some important stuff that
comes back later in the movie, but you got a lot of you got a
lot of verbal back and forth between Kathy and and Galloway
Galloway saying like, are you actually going to do any
investigating while we're here? You're just going to take the
guided tour. Big big fan of that big fan.
The the scene I want to talk about, which we've talked about,
like you've you've mentioned like a handful of times already,
is the villa right? The the opposite, the club under
their special alawning and the officers mess.
That that that dinner where he's like holding court like a
fucking like a fucking tutor king.
Basically, like everyone, everyone comes to the Nathan
Jessup lovin while I talk bullshit and everyone does a
career laugh around me. I fucking hate that he's awful
and he's he's horrible and he and he says that disgusting
thing when he's trying to undermine Galloway.
So halfway through. So Galloway keeps trying to push
for from her invasion. Kathy is like desperately trying
to de escalate it because he doesn't want to piss anybody
off. So several times he's like, no,
we're not, we're going to go. She's just one of, it's
charming, just one of her quirks.
She asks questions that she doesn't want the answer to.
Let's go, let's go, let's go. And then and then Jessup does
that whole like, I just realised she outranks you.
Oh, you're lucky there, kid. And it's been a horrible thing
about how great it must be. Yeah, that whole thing I was, I
was talking with with my wife earlier on, not about this scene
specifically, but we're talking about the concept nowadays about
what movies can it wouldn't get made today and what things would
be different. And if they made this movie, I
think this year, this scene probably wouldn't be in it
necessarily. And it's not because it's a bad
scene. I think it's a really good
scene. I think it's because depending
on who made the movie, I guess people aren't necessarily as
comfortable about talking about this kind of stuff anymore.
Yeah. There's a big push online of
people who are like, overly online to online, you might say,
who don't want to experience art or the world in any kind of way
that makes them feel uncomfortable.
Yeah. I'm not going to say because of
woke, right? That's not what I'm getting at.
That's that's not what I'm that's not what I'm getting at
right. But but there is, there is a
certain amount of like of of like thickening skin that may be
required by some people out there who I get, I'm going to
get on my soapbox a little bit here.
I get really, I get really like, I get yeah, because I get really
annoyed right about people. You see, you see on a lot of
like YouTube content and over short form content on on on the
Internet. Well, people don't use the word
like killed anymore or committed suicide or anything like that
because they're afraid of offending somebody.
These concepts exist. These things happen.
The world doesn't have to be comfortable for you.
Like like the world is out there.
Terrible things happen everyday. If you want to lock yourself in
a bubble in your own house, then, you know, go with God.
That's that's on you. But but the rest of the world
doesn't need to moderate its language around you, like, like
to walk on egg shells because because it might make your
single individual experience a bit different.
Like, like the world wasn't curated for you as one, you
know, as one person. You know what I mean?
Just really pisses me off that there you see that kind of
stuff. It's like, fuck me, man.
Like people get killed, right? OK.
And like, no, no, no, no, no. They get analysed now we can't.
No, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So yeah, I saw a video the other day about, I swear to God, I was
watching a video on YouTube and it was about, it was about
Wolfenstein the New Colossus, the 2019 video game where you
plays BJ Baskowitz killing the fuck out of a shit tonne of
Nazis, right? Yeah.
And the guy on the video, I swear to God, does not say the
word Nazi once and kept saying tyrants.
And I'm like, good. Grief thought that is crazy,
man. Why do you even want to fucking
talk about it? You know, I see what I mean.
I mean our our, our ancestors. Not specifically your Sonya
Didn't, didn't, didn't, didn't spend years battling against
Moustache Man until he unlived himself in the Moustache Man
bunker for nothing. You know, No, it's, it's, it's
wild. I've actually heard this like,
like like I've heard of an actual quote, quote history
content on YouTube that uses the phrase moustache man instead of
Hitler. And it's like, yes, he isn't
fucking Lord Voldemort. He's not coming back.
If you mentioned his name, he's not fucking, he's not fucking
Beetlejuice. He's not he's he's he's, he's
not the candy man, he's not the bye bye man.
Jesus, imagine that. I was like, Oh my God, guys,
I've thought about Hitler and he's back.
Isn't it? Yeah.
Is he but? God damn.
Yeah. So that that that whole
sequence, anyway, I think it's a really good scene in the movie
because it shows you what a a vulgar, crass, horrible, yeah.
Despicable old dirty man. Yeah.
That that Jessop is behind the veneer of him being a highly
decorated officer. Like, and the veneer's pretty
thin as well, isn't he? Pretty thin, I mean.
He's got, he's got no respect for anybody.
No, not at all. And, and it's a significant
amount of it is bluster and it's it's he's honestly, he acts like
he's in a pivotal role to defend society against the hordes of
Barbarians. And he's like a few hours boat
away from Florida. He's like, yeah, he's like a 19
miles away from the like fucking Miami.
Yeah, like, like it's like you shit little man, for for for
some reason you're in this position when you can just say
shit that would and should be absolutely career ending if that
was ACNN camera team and not a cinema camera team, you know
what I mean? And it's like, this is crazy,
man. He's he's, he's a horrible
little bollocks, basically. He's horrible about he's.
A horrible little bollocks. You know, like he's a fucking
nasty little testicle of a man. Yeah.
And all it does is through his way around.
There's the there's the scene prior to that where they're
talking about when they're in his office and they're talking
about whether to transfer Santiago away.
And he gives it the whole big spew of like, I think we have a
responsibility to train him and blah, blah, blah.
Well, that's not what you mean. Yeah.
You don't really think of a responsibility to train him
because you've already made your mind up that this guy is
unsalvageable as a Marine because he doesn't fit your
particular like in what you think a good Marine is.
And plus, I wanted them, didn't they?
Because he was like, it was the whole thing when he was going to
rat, rat them out to the NIS. That's right, yeah.
Because they're being like an unauthorised shot fired in the,
in the Cuban territory. And he's like, I'm, I'll tell of
you, I'll get you done. Surely the Cubans themselves
would be like, hi, one of your guys just fucking shot at us.
Sort it out, you know, throw it out, you slags.
Like it would be difficult to kind of cover this up if there
was an actual literal fucking. Gunshot fired towards what they
say is like the mirrors, isn't it?
Say it's like like like the like equivalent opposite number card
posts. So it's like you know, and it
isn't like open dagger to discharge desktop.
Sorry boss. It's he was specifically
claiming that he thought he was getting aimed at before.
He was getting into and he found an aim shot in retaliation.
Yeah, right. I mean, we don't we don't get
into this in the movie. And the one thing I will say
before we we get it like right, the civvy audience listening to
it will be we won't be able to make a reminder.
I think about what we think about.
It's it's implied that it's a big no, no.
Obviously to automatically firing a shot into Cuba is
pretty, pretty fucking bad. What we don't know though, is
actually the the are we enforce for them at the time.
And I haven't really thought to look it up, to be honest.
The general rule of thumb is that the American IOE is a lot
more liberal than ours. And especially yours, Sonia, I
think, I think, I think yours and ours are pretty restrictive.
I think NATO as a as a as a body is extremely restrictive.
Yeah. All right.
So going on in the background, I suppose with all this is Dawson
and Downey don't trust a Cathy at all.
Cathy, really for the first hour of the movie, Kathy's not
popular with anybody. He's he's a bit full of himself,
a bit slick. And yeah, he's also not sure if
he wants to take the case and there's an inciting incident
that makes him take the case. Basically, the arraignment is
set up to happen and you and the night before the arraignment is
the big decision point about how Kathy's going to plead on behalf
of his defendants, which is a bit weird by the way, one that
the defendants don't enter the room plea.
I don't know how accurate that is for the American military
courts. That's not how we do things
here. But but it's mad that he's
waiting till the night before the defendants have a right to
determine what their plea is. Surely very strange that they've
just let their hands be like their fates be in the hands of
this one guy who they don't even like.
I mean, there is, there is, there is.
The separate bit that I think is it Downey has actually taken
Galloway on as council just so that she can be part of the team
essentially. Yeah, because.
Because. Because his Aunt Ginny wanted an
Aunt Ginny. Yeah.
Yeah, and then, but then she says, like, I'm not going to
rock the boat. You can remain as lead council,
which is why you've got a Senate commander with much more
experience working for the nine months in Lieutenant.
Very odd. Anyway, the 56 minute point of
the movie, right? Galloway is trying to convince
Kathy to enter a not guilty plea so these guys get their day in
court and can actually argue a case even though they think
they're going to get beaten. And she does this by going,
Kathy, you're the only one who could do this.
You know how to win. And we need a lawyer who knows
how to win even though he's never been in a courtroom.
And for the previous 56 minutes, all she's been doing is talking
smack about him. OK, Then 40 seconds later, when
Kathy's humming and horror about it, he goes, she goes, you know
what? You don't know a thing about the
law. You're you're an ambulance
chaser. You're a used car salesman with
a rank. It's like, make your mind up.
Demi Moore. Do you like it?
But do you think he's the best lawyer who can only win this
case? So do you think he's an idiot
who doesn't know anything about the law?
Like, I understand that she might even like to manipulate
him to try test his ego a bit. But.
But yeah, it kind of works though, so.
So she obviously makes him feel a bit like shit after insulting
him like that. He goes away, has his long dark
tea. Time of the soul.
I think you see a bits of the montage at the start of the
trailer. And then the next day, they go
to the arraignment, enter the plea, he enters that they're not
guilty. Like, sort of like begins in
earnest, doesn't it? And it begins when the, when the
prosecution calls all of the platoon.
Yeah, individually, yeah, yeah. So you got that, you got that.
So you get that change. You get so you get the change in
in. This is good actually.
So this is I think this is like the dividing line between the
first half of the movie, The second-half, first half is all
the set up and you get all the character beats and the
character build up. And then once that arraignment
happens, you get the switch. Kathy is like, right, we're
going to work from my place every night from 7:00.
One of my favourite lines in the film, something that I've
wrestled with a little bit today.
The only thing I have to eat is you who and Cocoa Puffs.
If you want anything else, bring it with you and say right.
Going to say it now, man, I'm a dirtbag.
I'm I'm I'm, I'm the kind of human being who would literally
say it as someone all right now is generic cereal and generic
flavoured milk is what I assume you who is right and say nobody
who is in a life situation when all they have is you who and
Coco Puffs is is a lawyer at all.
None of these people exist. These people don't exist.
This is stealing, stealing scumbag valour, right.
Like I, I, I mean, it's Oh yes, it's funny.
He's he's he's quirky, but it's like, no, when, when, when
you're in that kind of position, you're fucking giving up.
You know what my giving up asked?
Fucking dirtbag world. I'm the kind of horrible flesh
golem that could exist on cereal flavoured milk if I had to.
I don't have a high flying job that requires a huge gravement
like you. Like being a lawyer, if you were
sick existing on literally nothing but sugar and like and
like chemically processed milk that's probably got lead in it,
you'd see him take like 2 swings with his little bat and just
fall over in in exhaustion. I am not having this slander
against stay at home sons like me who worked years to to to
suffer the slings narrows of existing on food that's just
consumed for novelty. No, no garbage film.
Oh man. Fuck off with your Yukos, you
lying liar you. Lying liar.
Oh, I was worried I didn't get a chance to use the Pants on Fire
defence. Oh man.
Hey, let's take a moment to talk about our friends.
Simon Weinberg, played by by Kevin Pollak, because he he gets
a difficult job in this movie as being kind of the the third
wheel, occasional quick giver kind of guy.
But he gets but he gets one really good scene, which is that
he has a moral compulsion against against daughter and
Tony. He doesn't, obviously, he's a
Navy lawyer. He doesn't agree with the Code
Red thing. He's not a fan of hazing
rituals, doesn't like bullying in any of its forms.
You know, I agree. And he is not keen to defend
these guys and doesn't understand why they're doing it.
And he has an opportunity to get out the case.
He's put on the spot as to why he did it.
And he's like, because they picked a little guy, you know,
they took the guy what, because he couldn't run as fast,
couldn't run as long and they took this guy and they beat him
up for it kind of thing. But he he stays anyway.
But I just wanted to, I just wanted to highlight little Kevin
Pollack there because he's brilliant and fact for the movie
that was going to be cast by guess who Jason Alexander was
initially cast for that role could have been George Costanza,
but he had to pull out because of Seinfeld.
Jesus, there is, you know, a kind of there's kind of a little
bit of energy about him, though, when he's like don't have to do
a thing, you know, don't have to do anything.
So if you go there, don't do anything kind of thing that's
that's actually a little bit of Costanza in that that's that's
scary prescient. Oh my God, I am really sorry.
Now I'm just absolutely just recasting all of the pivotal
characters with the same forecast.
So of course you've got Jerry Seinfeld himself playing Kathy.
You've got. Elaine.
Elaine, get out. And of course, the role, the
role, the role of. Justin Chester is Michael
Richards. No, no, I think it's I think
it's Newman. I think it's, I think it's weird
nightmare. I think it's win night.
Just sitting there in his in his greens, with his big cigar, just
with his with his storm and Norman physique, just telling
tales about Desert Storm to Jerry Seinfeld, who for some
reason is the trying to make him believable.
The trying to pass to make Jerry fucking Seinfeld believable as
anything other than a comedian. Oh my God.
And then cream Alex, just like I said.
Oh cool rat. It's a great right?
I think it is Kevin Bacon's character.
Yes. I mean, I'm going to fucking put
him somewhere. It's either that or he's one of
the two killers. Well, I was just.
I said that was one of the two killers, which would be even
harder to process. So yeah, he's yeah, he's the
Kevin Bacon guy. Oh my God.
Or is or is the is is is the second Lieutenant is the Kiefer
Sutherland. Geez.
Oh, God. Yeah, man, horrendous that this.
Is now a vote racist? Vote racist?
Oh. My God, just probably unsubtle
about it. This is just straight up fan
fiction at this point man. This is like.
Where's J Peterman? Oh my God.
Is that Markinson? Maybe J Peterman?
Oh yeah. Just isn't the GTA wash rule.
I knew your son. Well, vaguely I I heard his
name, but I falsifies that transcript.
I knew what I had to do with Elaine you.
Can always be Burma to me. I hope you're watching the court
case because I'm only watching the Passion, Right.
Sorry. Yeah, right.
Yeah. Case has started there.
The government is claiming that Kendrick specifically given an
order to everybody not to touch Santiago at the same time
Santiago had been granted a transfer from the base.
It was due to leave on that transport at 6:00 in the
morning, which is when they say the first flight out of Cuba was
was taking place. So they've they've already lied
by saying that that is the first flight when actually it was
nearly a flight. There's a second lie in that
that flight they said he's going on to didn't exist.
They lie about the order not to touch him being given.
I think maybe, yeah, potentially.
No, that one's true because everyone, everyone saw it.
What they then lie about is that Kendrick then give a separate
order to Lance Corporal Dawson, not down as we lay here, Lance
forward with Dawson alone to do the code red on on Ballina
Santiago. So what we see at the beginning
of the case is testimony that the order not to touch Santiago,
it's taken place, which isn't disputed.
And then the next thing we get is the expert testimony of
Christopher Guest from Smile tap as the doctor about the medical
condition. And we find out and it all gets
stricken from the record. Basically, there's a there's a
lot of like little wins that they have and lots of losses
they have. They have a bit of a draw over
the, over the, the testimony of everyone saying that the order
had taken place and they kind of call it for the day and we come
in the next day. The, the medical stuff is very
much a win for the prosecution and a big defeat for the, the
defence. So what happens is they, they
kind of badger the witness a little bit.
They they get the one thing that they needed quite early on,
which was could the lactic acidosis which caused the the
blood to pull in his lungs have taken place without a chemical
poison inducing it, which is what is claimed by the
prosecution, could have taken place without the poison if they
had an underlying medical condition.
And does the underlying medical condition it would have taken
place match the symptoms that Santiago had been presenting
with? They got that bit done quite
early and they should have just left it there.
But they keep badgering about like trying to get the doctor
himself to say that he has given a lower standard of care to
Santiago. I had personally fucked up and
because they pushed a little bit too far, they eventually got the
whole thing stricken from the record, which is a big, big loss
for the defence. And that's a bit of a movement
for them to kind of re evaluate. Yeah.
So the next bit that happens in the case is they get Kendrick on
the stand. Yeah.
Kendrick is a safeguard lunatic and they get something pretty
important out of it, which was that a previous could read had
taken place. Although they don't get they
don't get into the record that it's formally known as Code Red,
even though even though they describe it is very much like 1.
I think it gets objected against and they and they and they get
sustained. There's a shit to no objections
in this movie, by the way. I don't think real court, real
trials have this many objections.
I mean, I just want to hop in here and say Sonia is the one of
us with the most legal training, I guess maybe the only one of us
with. I mean, you've probably had some
trainer obviously make, but Sandy did go to law school.
Not legal training. Yeah, but yeah, you've, you've,
you've sat on. So basically our, our, our court
experience so far as I've been sued successfully.
I was, I was out of suit. I'm a divorce court warrior.
Meg, obviously you've you've been involved in a court
martial. But that's yeah, that's that's
that's a legal one. And then the non legal version
of it is some rehearings which have, yeah, I've been in charge
of several times. I mean as, as, as, as a baby
journalist and the student journalist.
I was in court a few times in the mags and in the Crown Court
in, in Newcastle, which was really funny.
Mainly actions. That was pretty, but it was
pretty hilarious. But Sonia is the one who's got
actual actual law school experience.
So Sonia, how is all this stuff playing out here like in the
film? Is this is, is this, is this
cool? Or is someone with legal
training? Do you find this?
You find this not believable? I don't even know where to start
with this because honestly, the, the I could start by hating on
the French, which is always a good thing to do, but English
and American common law is very, very, very distinctly different
from anything we do on the continent and especially so in
Germany. So in, in all honesty, the, the,
the most accurate answer I could give you is I don't fucking
know. To be honest.
We don't do like jury trials as I mean, we, we, we didn't really
happen have. You have you seen the movie
Anatomy before? No.
Oh man. So it was like 2 years ago, I
think it came out and it's a, it's a French German
construction about A, and I think it's actually in French
and German, but I think they, I think the trial happens in
France anyway, a couple, the husband from a man and wife
falls out of a second floor window from the house, which is
currently like in getting done up into the snow outside and
bricks and neck and dies. And we see that happen.
We don't see, we don't see the fall happen.
So we don't know what actually happened, whether he's pushed or
he fell or whatever happened. But we do see the trial.
But the trial's all done on a French court.
And it's so different to like anything that Rory, you would
have seen like, like it's, it's, you know how in a, in a, in a
court, like, like in this, you have a, a witness pro on the
stand. They get an examination from the
prosecution, a cross examination from the defence, the
opportunity for the prosecution into a rebuttal to anything
raised. And then it moves on kind of
thing. Nowhere anywhere near that, that
level of organised. It's like they bring a person
onto the onto the stands and then we just have a frigging
argument for 20 minutes and the judge and the judge goes right.
I'm tired of this next one. Just just a big like my lawyer
is going to shout at your lawyer and just like, and then I'm
going to chip in occasionally and and like and like people,
people can just see people are always arranged in a semi
circle. People get called upon to yell
at any time they want. It's just mental.
Actually amazing. It's a great movie.
It's a great movie that the the court case bit only takes up
like a small portion. They do have like like
testimony. They do have proper testimony,
like the witness comes up and just give like testimony and
then and then is is grilled. But it it's it's weird.
It feels so much more like flowing in a way that than than
the British courts. Mental ania, check that out.
We also don't get funny little wigs.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. So the guy's got a robe on, but
he hasn't got a funny little wig.
He's got like a, a crew, like a short crew cut hair and then a
then a cool little robe. Wild.
So we've had the end of the case and we get we get Kendrick up.
He he gets his cross examination and then we kind of find out the
background a little bit for this.
So an important detail. Lance Corporal Dawson had been
previously punished by Kendrick for defying an order and the
order for him was morally incorrect and him through his
own personal judgement made a moral choice to defy that order
and showed moral courage in doing so.
A guy had been punished by being restrained into his barracks
with only water and vitamin pills and then Dawson gave him
food and then was punished for giving him food.
So very important background to demonstrate his what we call in
the British legal system. But in Latin, the men's rear the
state of mind in order to carry out the crime.
So obviously we've we've seen that from that, from being
punished for defending someone doing the morally right thing.
He got punished. So when he gets into the order
to do something morally reprehensible, he's more likely
to follow it. That happens.
We have a whole cool bit where they talk about Code Reds and
whether or not Code Reds exist. And Kevin Bacon gets all the
different like Doctrine publications out and goes like
show me in here where it mentions Code Red.
Show me here where it mentions Code Red.
And then you see like Tom Cruise win that one by going to new bar
and go show me in here where it says where the mess hall is.
And it's like, well, you won't find out in there.
It's like, well, you're telling me the entire time you've been
in Guantanamo Bay, you've not had a single meal.
It's like, no, Sir, 3 square a day.
It's like, well, how did you get to the metal?
I just followed the crowd at chow time and.
It's like. Nothing further.
Boom. Brilliant.
That's a good move. It's like so theatrical how
Kathy just, like, walks out and just takes the book out of Kevin
Bacon's hands as he approaches the witnesses.
Like, yeah, that's trying to cool.
That was. That's mad swag.
It really is, yeah. It's really good.
They get they get one really big set back and this is like the
sort of end of the second act. SO11 sort of founding basis for
their case that they've that they haven't even queried in
their research prior is that both Dawson and Danny received
the order at the same time in the same place to to collect the
code read and then it through cross examination of God of
Downey, Downey's understand and it's Kevin Bacon gets out of
Downey that actually due to a flat tyre of the Jeep that would
get him back to his barracks in time.
He had to he had a run back. He was 45 minutes late and
therefore was not at the location at the time that the
defence has alleged that the order to give the code red was
made which was 5 minutes after the 1630 finishing briefing.
That he would have arrived back after like 1700 and and would
have missed that order for Dawson and Downey together could
not have received the order to give the code red.
Once Corporal Dawson gave Downey the order, laid the order to
give the code red which is that big like oh we fucked up moment.
The second one is Markinson, who's who's come out with the
road work once the trial begun, has an attack of his conscience
and decides to end his own life before he can take the stand.
So that's that's that fucked. So this is this causes like the
team to have a bit of a crash out.
Tom Cruise gets pissed. What do we think of what do we
think of Tom Cruise's drunk acting?
Had some thoughts on this actually.
You guys want to go first before I bring my opinions in on it?
No. Please proceed.
It doesn't appear to be really drunk at all.
There's no kind of slurring of words.
There's there's there's like a bit of like a dissent admission,
but he doesn't appear to be drunk at all.
But it's also not shitty. It can be so worsted kind of
kind of drunk acting like it's not flopping all over the stage
kind of thing. It's it doesn't look especially
believable, but it's not the worst I've seen.
But like, yeah, I, I guess my thoughts were it's like, I don't
think Tom Cruise drinks. That's what I was going to say.
Yeah, I don't think he drinks at all.
And when you look at drunk acting by, I'm just going to
quickly slow things down because I want to get this guy's name
absolutely right. So when?
So when you see John Dunsworth in Trailer Park Boys, rest in
peace. John Dunsworth gone through soon
as Mr Leahy. That's an incredible drug,
acting a man at the end of his rope, a man who's absolutely
lost in the sauce. He didn't drink.
He was a tea toler. Yeah.
I mean, I am the liquor, Randy, you know, like, hey, hey, hey.
He's a tea toler. Tom Cruise, I think is probably
never, like, allowed alcohol that touches, touches mouth.
I don't think as a person, Tom Cruise has ever really been
around people who have probably drunk much because it's like,
OK, Tom, you've got to be a drunk guy.
OK, So I'm, I'm, I'm just a bit off kilter and I'm a bit wet
because it's been raining. This is what drunk is, right?
I mean, like, I mean, like, I'm the fact that I have to have an
actor say you're drunk or something to that effect.
And then he pulls out a fucking bottle of bourbon and it's like,
yeah, it's like, no, it's not. It isn't the worst drunk acting.
It isn't comically bad, it's just not really believable.
And he also drives drunk as well immediately afterwards, which
isn't cool by the way. That's really not cool.
Yeah. Yeah, arrive alive, dude, you
know? You get the impression that his
frame of reference for drunk people is drunk people.
In the films. He's kind of, he's almost
mimicking a little bit of that. I mean, do me wrong, he doesn't
live like like a shut away. He's oh.
Absolutely, yeah. He's been asked in public and
seen people having parties and drinking before, you know, like
you're not naive to that. Yeah, but but yeah, you do get
the impression that he doesn't surround himself with, with
drinkers, isn't a drinker. I think, I think for him, I
don't want to speculate on the man's inner psyche, but but
going off stuff he said in interviews and stuff, he I don't
he believes in medicating in any way whatsoever.
And I don't think he would like to rest, like to divest control
of his own faculties to, to a, to a, to a substance.
You know, you remember that Ty Reidy did on God.
I don't want to get this wrong, but I think it might be 60
minutes or something when he was talking or he had an interview
where he was talking about how he he really disagreed with
Brooke Shields medicating for depression and.
And that's I'm. Getting.
I'm I'm not saying I'm not sick of Scientology thing.
Isn't it because that I got that against like psychiatry and
stuff like that? Do you know that he is actually
in the past? He's like like banned people
from drinking like on the cast of his films and stuff.
I've quickly just googled it on Top Gun Maverick.
He imposed A strict new alcohol rule for cast and crew.
It's sad and it's like obviously just Google.
Quick summary here saying of course Sauce has said that while
they may have wanted a drink, they understood the need to be
in the best possible shape for the demanding stunts and flight
scenes. Yeah, so they have that.
They have that big crash out about about, about the case as
you, as you rightly say, Tom Cruise then goes off and drinks,
drives for a little bit, but dodgy basically what happens is
he yells in the face of Joanne Galloway, she storms out.
He kind of has a quite a bit of a realisation.
He has a chat with. He has this kind of like picking
the hero up, motivational chat with with Weinberg.
Yeah. And again, Right.
So, right. This is some Aaron Sorkin
writing here. It's, you know, how I mentioned
earlier on about Joan Galloway giving like a bit of a speech
to, to to Cruz that seemed to come out of nowhere and then
somehow achieved its desire of effect.
Weinberg does the same thing here where he's like talking
about Kathy's dad, who's this renowned trial lawyer like that
that people have heard of. He obviously had a long, storied
career, passed away before Kathy could ever get into law school,
Lingering insecurity, daddy issues, stuff going on there.
He then tells Kathy, look, you're the guy doing this case.
If anyone can do this, it's you. And if I had to pick somebody
out of everybody in the world, between you and your dad, if I
had to pick one of you to defend these guys, I'd pick you every
day of the week and twice on Sundays.
And it's like, where are you based on that from?
He doesn't even. This is his first ever case and
he's losing it like but but you're a good friend, Weinberg,
I'll give you that. He's a very good hype man for
him. He's a good hype man so he he
says the right thing when he's needed but but I don't really
believe him. Well, you see, I think
Weinberg's in our monologue and way of thinking.
It's like, of course I'm going to choose him over that's that's
fucking dead. I think you're like, bring in an
urn with the dad's ashes in, put it at the desk and just go work
your magic, Sir. Like there's just like silence
did silence in the courtroom while Kathy seniors spirits just
projected in the mains of all the fucking jury in the panel
and the witnesses and it's like, God damn.
Yeah. So of course he's soon.
Of course he's going to choose the guy.
He was actually alive. It's brilliant.
There's another, there's another bit of tension they've put into
the movie here at this point, which I think is also a bit
spurious. And I've looked it up.
That's one of the only bits of research I've done, though one
of the things that's mentioned a few times, Kevin Bacon
introduces it I think quite early in the trial in that
scene, whether in the the bar and they have that falling out.
Yeah, you're a lousy fucking softball player, Jack is if you
accuse in the during your questioning, if you accuse
Colonel Jessup of any impropriety and then you are not
found to be correct, you will get court martials.
Yeah. And I was like, and I was like,
that seems like a really shit way to run a justice system if
you are hamstringing the questions that can be asked by
counsel to witnesses in such a manner.
Like, surely what goes on in the courtroom is already pretty
sealed. Yeah.
It doesn't need it doesn't need to become a matter of
disciplinary. It just needs to be proven or
disproven. Right.
Anyway, I looked it up and, yeah, in the lines you're
questioning, you can ask what you want.
It's not. You're not going to get run for
it. Yeah.
I mean, it'd be a different matter if he was standing on
Main Street or yelling it in the mess hall.
But he's asking. He's asking questions to court.
Law, yeah. It's like, I mean,
constitutionally protected speech, right?
I mean. Yeah.
But nevertheless, Despite that hanging over him, Galloway
convinces Kathy to put Jessup on the stand.
And then we are coming into like the final third of the movie,
which is like the it's not even a third, really, but it's like
the last sort of 25 minutes, I suppose is, is, is the
questioning of of Jessup. And this is like amazing stuff.
And I don't need to hype this up.
Like this is like wildly and popularly known to be amazing
stuff. But this is the best bit of the
movie of me. This is where it like kicks into
OverDrive because what it becomes.
So we've seen this intricate trial, relatively intricate of
disproving certain aspects of the case as we've been going.
And then after all that, after we've been through all that
evidence, because there's been such a concerted effort by by
Jessup and Co to cover their tracks, all that's left is
playing upon Jessup's arrogance, I suppose.
Obviously got No Fear of of caffeine just sees Kathy as like
a, you know, little piss Ant 2 ringer with with with one medal.
Who gives a shit about him? I'll come to this courtroom and
I'll stump all over him and then I'll walk out of here probably
get him rude again, you know, for for my trouble.
I don't give a shit. So he goes there thinking,
thinking. He's like King Louis and and.
I'm fucking sorry. I've got King Louie and trust
greens. Just chilling.
They're like so. So you claimed to be the king of
the swingers as you ordered this code, right?
Is that true? The jungle VIP rest this man
this this, this modest in uniform.
This man is not. How did he how did he become a
Marine? I got the rock, Sir.
Yeah, but I love all this really good acting.
Like head to head tom-tom Cruise kingly.
Fucking hell. Like where did that even come
from? I don't know right off my Dome
and and, but, but it's that awesome bit of like right.
So the big lie that they they span when they were concocting
this whole thing was that they were going to transfer Santiago
Santiago off the base. So that's the first thing he
presses on and there's a little bit of theatre.
I I fact checked this as well, but there's a little bit of
theatre And he brings the two airmen in from the Andrews Air
Force Base to sit in the courtroom as if they're about to
get calls for testifying, which you see Nicholson notice.
And the first, sorry, the first thing you asked about actually
is it is to do with Santiago's transfer off the base.
He remembers that when they were inspecting Santiago's cabin,
they looked in his wardrobes and seen that he hadn't packed.
So they go, right, this guy was going to get transferred off the
base, first flight in the morning.
He was founded at 0100 flights at 06.
And yet all his clothes are neatly hanging, these
footlockers neatly folded. He hasn't packed a single thing.
We've got his phone records. He didn't call a single person.
He wrote 14 letters in nine months trying to get off the
base. And then when he gets his
transfer order, he doesn't tell a soul, doesn't ring his parents
to tell him he's coming, doesn't ring his friend to ask him to
pick him up at the airport. Not a single soul is informed.
So we'll come back to that. Meanwhile, like he he, he starts
talking about when you get an order to, to, to men follow it.
He's like, yeah, yeah, you might, you never worked in a
forward area, you never worked up threat, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah here, you know, when when you give an order, you
follow it or people who are in danger, it's like grave danger.
It's like, is there any ever kind all all that stuff.
It's so good. So you go through all that and
then finally it catches them in the, in the, the, the
contradiction, which is if you give an order and it has to be
followed and your men unquestionably follow them.
And there's never any risk of any men not following your
orders. And you order them not to touch
Santiago. Why did you order Santiago to be
transferred off the base? I love that.
And he's like, and he's like, so and that's when he starts to get
like really hostile, really pissy.
He's like that before then he's like these two Marines are in
trial for their lives. Please tell me that you've got
something more than a phone bill like, like all that.
I love doing the impression, by the way, I don't know what's
come across. And and he's talking about like,
you know, his own importance into national security.
He's just, he's just super like up his own arse, super arrogant.
And eventually he's like, I want the truth.
You can't handle the truth. Incredible speech, which is pure
Aaron Sorkin like awesomeness. Get through the whole speech and
you have that clap bit, that clap bit where Kathy like just
almost brushes it off and just goes straight back into the
attack again, having just like ignored that big cluster from,
from, from, from Jessup was like, did you order the code
red? You got that right out here,
which is phenomenal. And then it all goes quiet.
Yeah. And then like, he's still like,
yeah, he's still like, pissed. And then he doesn't understand.
Like everyone like, it's all going to be quiet.
The judge, like, orders the board to step out the room to go
to an entry room. They start getting up.
Everyone rises, they get up and they start walking out.
And he's like, what's going on? This is ridiculous.
I don't have to sit here for this.
I'm going to get on a play. And there's like a moment of
silence where I think Kathy needs to like indicate to to
the, the the US Marines, Kevin Bacon's character that like, you
need to take over this bit now. And he's like, yeah, OK, we need
to, we need to like, hang the trial for a second.
And then he gets up, tries to walk away.
The judge calls for the the MPs to come.
And he's like, what's going fuck.
And he's like taking a second. Then he like, looks at Kathy and
he spins towards Kathy. And then, like, lunges at him.
He's like, I'm gonna RIP out your eyes.
And you, yeah, go RIP out your eyes and piss down your dead
skull. You fuck with a round Marine.
Fuck it. Oh man, So good.
Yeah. But what I love about this is so
that's always that's the big climax, right?
I love that there's a there's a there's a few cool bits that
have like led to this moment. You you see the seeds of it
coming like like Mars off. You see, we've been watching the
whole movie. We've seen like how arrogant
Jessup is. And like, as always in in in
media, like evil defeats itself in in eventually.
You see this like Stephen King all the time, like the big bad
actually ends up being its own demise.
He's his own demise. He's his own worst enemy.
He's so cocky and he's so like arrogant and he just thinks he's
untouchable and he thinks he's so important.
He's got such a like an overinflated sense of his own
self importance that he thinks he's bigger than the
institutions around him. And because this is Aaron Sorkin
and he believes in a better world, he's proven not to be the
case. So so there's that.
And you see it come up a couple of times where like he pushes
himself a little bit too far. He's a he's a bit like, he's a
bit pissy with Kathy. He's like, I'd prefer it if you
called me Colonel or Sir when I'm in here.
I believe I've earned that right.
And then and then he disrespects the court straight away.
And then the, and the judge is like I, I prefer if you called
me judge or your honour, I'm quite sure I've earned that
right smack. I love the judge by the way.
He's really good. Is so yeah.
Jack Nicholson's character is just a lack of respect and in
fact, hostility to to coffee is just the lengths he goes to.
It's like, I mean, he uses some pretty choice slurs about his
uniform for a start. Like like the native reporting
name for the Big 15 fighter, you know, for just he he infers he's
got a bit of a pretty gay mouth. At one point.
I forgot the actual words he used, but it's very much like,
oh, he's he really is a horrible, degenerate piece of
shit. I mean.
He's not, he's not that senior an officer, by the way.
Yeah. Yeah, he fucking isn't Italian.
It's crazy, but I think that's one of the big bollocks.
Yeah, he goes around the place like he owns the world.
Yeah, yeah, he might be. He might be getting a I was
going. To say soon he's a he's a
Colonel. Like like I don't, I don't know
about your military, but Lieutenant Colonel, this is the
most pre evolent rank we have among amongst officers is
there's so bloody many of them and he's just wandering higher
than that. He's a he's a man.
Yeah, he's fuck, he's the comment or minesweepers, but he
acts like he's the First Sea Lord.
He's yeah, he's not even a Commodore.
He's less than a Commodore. So, so, so he's a, he's a
Colonel equivalent, equivalent in the in the wrong name, at
least to a foreign captain. So, you know, next above that is
Brigadier, Brigadier Commodore, you know, and vice versa.
Yeah. So he's, he's, he's not, he's I
had a more senior officer attend my fucking pass out when I was
as the VIP when I was rating, for God's sake.
Yeah. I mean, and like, again, this
guy who was essentially A relatively small cog in a big
machine as whole brand is based on the fact that I'm this guy
defending America's borders against cheques, notes Cuba.
Yeah. And it's like fucking I, I am, I
am defending America against Cuba's not going to fucking
invade in America. You know, like it actually.
The Americans decided the other way and failed.
So I don't know there's really regarding who there and why not
fences? That means fucking the movie.
We should do it's. But it's wild of me.
It's like, it's like even then in like in a War was released in
1991 out of nations that were an existential risk to the United
States of America, right? Cuba's like going to be close to
the bottom, very close to the bottom.
You know, it's like and there's this whole very much Oh, he's
like and because because it's a reputation he builds for
himself. He's his own PR kind of guy,
isn't he? All these stories like, ah, he
talks softly and carrying on that division kind of thing.
And and he got the impression that he kind of that he kind of
did OK and does not storm. And then they've then they've
given him this, this kush job in Cuba, which all of a sudden is,
is the most fucking high stakes job in the world.
I said we've got to hold these goddamn Cubans back.
We've got to hold them back. Guys, I think what the Hell's
going to happen? Holy shit.
You know, fucking the the yeah, they're going to invade America
and bring loads of high quality dark rum shit.
If America was so deeply still involved in the Cold War, they
wouldn't have intervened in the Gulf War, you know what I mean?
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's just just ridiculous.
Yeah. So yeah, he spins.
He spins a big fatwat about how great he is.
And he's just a he's just a career politician with a with a
crass mouth, isn't he? That's that's essentially it.
Only I can hold the Buena Vista Social Club at Bay.
Yeah, yeah, your Latin rhythms are held away by the strong
right hand of Uncle Sam. And the strong left work for El
Presidente. It's.
Do you want your kids to grow up in a Banana Republic and start
up a Coca-Cola Republic that they're now fuck?
Every day I live 300 feet away from the Taquita lady.
Funny, her bananas of me. Listen, I live 300 feet away
from 1950s American cars that are still kept in good condition
and other Cuban stereotypes. It's horrifying out there.
Good God. It's like, and that's probably a
Cuban cigar E smoking as well as you're in the scene as well.
So sure. Yeah, you know, I was told in
beg a stupid common amount that that whole I eat breakfast 4000
feet away from. So I I eat breakfast in my new
buns. I eat breakfast roughly 40
metres away from my own staff, which seems considerably worse
than Cubans because they are intend on making my life a
living hell and I don't even get a fence between myself and them.
Well, you know, all right, I'm, I'm, I've done pretty well not
to mention it so far, but there's a scene earlier on where
they talk to talk to Kendrick and he's like, you've got a
problem with Kendrick and he's like, no, I like you Navy boys
just fine. Every time we need to go
somewhere to fight, you guys always give us a ride.
I'm like, hey, first, first of all, Sonia, you're correct.
Fuck him. Because his branch of the
military wasn't involved in the in the in the largest amphibious
operation ever to have taken place, Operation Overlord,
whereas mine was and and one second mine actually.
Yeah, we will. Doing so much.
This movie could be improved by the introduction of Lieutenant
Commander Royal Navy Mike Dunbar entering the scene every time
Besop opens his mouth and saying cheers dids.
Yeah, just did. All right, okay.
All right, Matt. Right.
Let's do it. No, let's do it.
Let's do it right. There's something about we've
been nibbling the edges of it for a while now.
Let's just get it all out there that the way they talk about how
important they are, they're fucking Gitmo is ridiculous.
They're talking as if they're there's a hot war going on
between Cuba and America. There's not right.
Like it's ridiculous. You want to put, you want to put
a jacket on if you like a camouflage jacket.
If they see an officer, they might think the Cubans.
I think it's someone they want to take a shot at.
Yeah, they they might if they if they don't care about being
naked off the face of the earth by the world's largest military.
It's just bigger than the next 25 militaries down as well
combined. Like, what a fucking stupid
thing to say. No, no, I think, I think being I
think being a Cuban soldier on opposite Contana base, one of
the safest place to go because no one's going to start shit
there. Yeah.
Ridiculous. I am betting you like I, I don't
know, you guys probably remember like what, what milt Twitter was
like 4 to five years ago. And I am fucking certain that
the rest of the Marine Corps would constantly, constantly be
like Cuba is not a real deployment.
Yeah. It's like the same as Japan is
not a real deployment. South Korea is not a real
deployment because because all they do is sit around behind a
fence and eat chicken or something.
Right, so. Mean at least there's actually
been exchanges of gunfire on the the allegedly demarcation
between between North and South Korea.
There was like the axe murder incident when North Korean
troops killed some American troops, admittedly back in the
60s, I think. But I don't think there's been
any actual, actual violence between the the Americans and
the Cubans. And fucking Chuck Nicholson's
scatting those Cuban cigars somehow.
So there's clearly some kind of. There is is distinctly more
violence between United States Marines and elderly Japanese
men. For some reason they keep
beating them up randomly. I came across an article about
not like half a year ago. I don't know why there's more
going on everywhere else rather than than wherever the hell
Colonel Jessup is. Ridiculous.
I hate that guy. Yeah, like, like I said, I guess
you're like big, big, big Cyprus op Shader, like Akateri, Akateri
vibes. People go on about you get like
guys in the RAF who get like op shader medals and stuff for, for
like working in the rear echelon Akateri in Cyprus.
And I, I used to be before I got married, I was seeing somebody
who was in the RAF and, and I was deployed in the Falkland
Islands on, on HMS Clyde at the time.
It's like 10 years ago, I was on HMS Clyde at the time and we, I
remember having to go to the little shop in, in, in RF Mount
Pleasant and, and spending a tenner on a little 100 megabyte
Wi-Fi card so I could have like a, a WhatsApp phone call with
her. And she spent the entire time
complaining at the, the beach club, the beach club, the beach
club at RF Akitiri was out of action.
So she just had a sunbathe outside instead.
And I was like, yeah, OK, I'm on the arse end of the planet.
Like, like the the only the only shipping I've seen since I've
been down here is one Russian AGI.
What is going on? Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah. Bad tool.
Oh, bad. Yeah, it takes it back, though.
Good times. Really good so bad times to me
back. Shall we take a break and we'll
come back and do some categories?
Yep. Colonel, what's going on?
I did my job. I do it again to get on a plate
and go on back to my base. I'm not going anywhere.
Colonel MPs guard the Colonel. Captain Ross.
What the hell is this? I'm being charged with a crime.
Trial by court martial. Is that what this is?
I'm being charged with a crime. Rob Marie, Colonel.
Jessamine, do you understand these?
Rights as I spread them to you. You have no idea how to defend
the issue. What you did was weak in a
country. That's all you did.
Quotes of the movie. Have you ever got any favourite
quotes? I've I've got a few, but I'll
let you guys go first. So many Sonia, do you want to
jump in with with the with the quotes on Me too.
I have one that I would like to apply to someone right now,
which is you are like 7 of the strangest women I've ever met.
That's good. I like, I like it when they're
in the former captain's office of Captain W, he says.
Commander Galloway, why don't you go get yourself a cup of.
Coffee. Talk about you behind your back.
Yeah, I love that. That's good.
I'm on the IMDb quotes page. Most of the Jessup Cafe back and
forth is on here. Yeah, which I mean, it is very,
very good, but we can't quote all of that.
I love just a little one liner. Maybe if we work at it, we can
get Dawson charged with the Kennedy assassination.
I. Love that.
That's an incredibly soaking line.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, right back to the subject
of Colon Jester being full of shit.
Like, like, like the way he talks here.
You see, Danny, I can deal with the bullets and the bombs and
the blood. I don't want money and I don't
want medals. What I do want for you is to
stand there in that white uniform with your Harvard mouth
and extend me some fucking courtesy.
Your Harvard mouth me nicely. I think your Harvard mouth, I
thought it was a gay mouth thing you were saying.
But tell your Harvard mouth. I can deal with the bullets and
the bombs and the blood or fucking pull everyone.
Like. We've all done stuff.
We've all done stuff, mate. Some of the fuck down.
You know what he's like. He's like, he's like, what the
fuck did you just fucking think about me, you little bitch?
I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy
Seals and I've been involved in numerous secret vegans, Al
Qaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills.
I am training guerrilla warfare and the top sniper in the entire
US armed forces. Nothing to me but just another
target. I wipe you the fuck out with
precision the likes of witches that I've been seen before the
surf. Mark my fucking words.
You think you can get away with saying that shit to be of the
Internet? Think again fucker.
As we speak, I'm contacting by secret network is across the USA
when your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare
for the storm, maggot. The storm the wipes out of the
pathetical thing you call your life.
You're fucking dead, kid. I could be anywhere, anytime.
I kill you over 700 ways and that's just my bare hands.
Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I
have access to the entire arsenal of the United States
Marine Corps and I don't have to finish the Navy SEAL Copy pastor
there because that is from Colonel Jessup's autobiography,
Very, very, very carved and it was cell wall in Leavenworth.
Weinberg and Kathy meet in Galloway for the first time.
Come out of Galloway. Lieutenant Kathy is considered
to be the best litigator in our office.
Successfully plea bargain. 44 cases in nine months.
One more and I get a set of stick knives.
Love that. And then and then that comes
back later on where she's like where he's about to leave and
she after you said he's drinking, crash out and she
goes, sorry, I cast you a set of steak knives.
That was good. Yeah.
There was some crash outs in this film, actually.
Yeah. Just to kind of really quickly
mention something about the relationship between between
Coffee and Demi Moore's character, the name which
escapes me. Joanne Galloway.
Galloway, Thank you. So my wife watched the first
like maybe 10 minutes of the film with me before she went
upstairs to her lair when she would just not Nash when she
just lie down. She was tired.
She didn't return to some weird, strange lair that's full of
horded beasts and stuff. But.
But yeah, but like before, before she left, she was like,
oh, well, they're obviously going to fall in love because
it's a 90s film and there's no romantic supply.
And that's meant I think that's. That's great.
And and that's a good, that's a good Sorkinism, right?
So, so Sorkin is pretty good at dangling, but not not fulfilling
a romantic subplot in characters.
They I've been watching the The West Wing again and they kind of
eventually, eventually, like 6-5 or six seasons in, they kind of
start doing it. But for like ages, years and
upon years, you've got this kind of like really good close
working relationship between Josh Lyman, the deputy White
House chief of staff, and his and his assistant Don Salamos.
And like a lesser show would have made that like a will.
They won't they thing like straight away and just had it
going the entire time. But this doesn't do it.
There's just like 2 professionals who who are
slightly, slightly beyond the edge of like the things like
work life and work husband, but but they keep it professional.
Yeah, that's that's good. Another good, another good quote
from the crash out, Kathy to Joe.
Oh, I'm sorry. I keep forgetting you were sick
the day they taught law at law school.
That that was that was bars. That was like, hold up.
His writing is indeed this fire that was like sick the day of
the talk. There's a few bits though where
you hear like the the Aaron Sorkin tempo and Tombra, like
the the rhythm of the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He has a very interesting way of writing.
And I mentioned it earlier on, you know, there's a bit where
Galloway is having a go at a cafe when she first meets them
and she says I don't like your fast food, slick ass Persian
bazaar, blah, blah, blah, blah side of law.
There's a similar thing that Lieutenant Weinberg does when
he's having the the discussion with Galloway about why she why
he doesn't like the defendants because of what they did.
She's like, why don't you hit? Why you hit him so much?
She goes, they beat up on a winkling.
That's all they did. The rest is just smoke fills
coffeehouse crap. They tortured him to matter.
A weaker kid. They didn't like him, so they
killed him. And why?
Because he couldn't run very fast.
But the smoke fills coffeehouse crap.
Like little things like that, bits they all like.
You can picture that when he says when he's like The West
Wing and like The Newsroom. It was all like stuff like that,
like lots of little bars. Yeah.
He's a big fan of rhythm and and Tambra when he's when he's, when
he's putting his lines together. I really, I really enjoyed just
the, the this fucking heat is making me absolutely crazy lying
again from Colonel Jessup, like because again, it's just him
trying to build this reputation as this crazy guy who's on the
edge. It's like, no, you, you
literally live here. You are probably quite
acclimatised by this point to the heat, you know, Knock it
off. You know what he should do?
A fucking tour of duty in Ashington, right?
Him and his boys should March up Station Road, you know.
They'll get accosted by Mickey T you'll roll up on his little
wheelchair, he'll try and sell them some used vapes, you'll
demand a kebab off them. They won't know what to do.
Yeah, sorry. What we haven't talked about
really is the the relationship between Dawson, Lance Corporal
Dawson and Kathy. One of the sort of deep plots of
the movie is that those guys are lawyer heads at the beginning.
Dawson fundamentally doesn't respect Kathy.
Dawson obviously takes his career in the US Marines
incredibly seriously. What, what, what is it?
It's it's unit core gods country or something like that, isn't
it? That's the order unit core God
country. So for him, his entire identity
is, is consumed by being AUS Marine, which is understandable,
by the way. Like I remember when I first
joined the Navy, like 11 going on 12 years ago.
I remember being hungry for it. You know, I did my basic
training as a rating got transferred, came an officer did
like, you know, the nine months of initial officer training that
entire time you're like on this, you know, your your identity
gets essentially kind of reset almost.
You know, you you were this one person before you came in and
like a couple years later, you are fundamentally this different
person. I understand.
So I understand where like Dawson is, he's he's obviously
making a career of British Lance Corporal, relatively junior
making a career of it. But you can see that he's been
embraced by the corps and he's he's embraced it.
So the fact that he sees someone like Cathy, who's left-handed,
who's been for nine months, has got the military bearing of a,
of a smashed in biscuit tin, like it's the military bearing
of my cat. Like, you know, like, like,
yeah, I get it. He doesn't respect this guy
because he's a silly and a uniform like 100% and like one
of the one of the background plots, it happens.
It happens only in like 3 beats that are spread out about 45
minutes apart each. Eventually you get like Dawson
learning to respect Kathy for for what he is, which is not an
amazing naval operator, but he's a trial lawyer, a litigator and
he respects him for that. The skilly, the skill and the
dedication and the hard work, he's shown doing that.
And then at the end of the case, of course, Dawson and Downey are
not guilty of the murders, but they are guilty of misconduct
and are, you know, removed from the service.
And at first, I think it's Downey who's saying, like, what
did we do wrong? We followed the order.
What did we do wrong? It's like we weren't supposed to
follow the order. We were supposed to protect
Private Sentia, was supposed to protect Willie and look after
him like that's the core value that you didn't do that you
should have done. And it's only when Kathy says to
him you don't need to have a badge on your arm to have on it.
Yeah, it's when he goes like turn and it does that does does
the there's an officer on deck. It does the awful like both of
them indoors. And the headgear salute would
never happen in a million years, but but they did it to make a
point, right? And it rhymes with the the
previous scene where it doesn't salute even again.
They were both in torso headgear.
Anyway, it's not the same thing. And I I checked it's not the
same thing in America either. Yeah.
So anyway, we all went. Through it did the fuck out of
Colin in Flensburg with that. Yeah, it was.
There's an officer on deck. Yeah, Final quote.
To move this thing along a bit, it's got to be.
It's got to be the big. I mean, we know what the court's
going to be, right? You know, I want the truth.
You can handle the truth, son. We live in a world that has
walls, and those walls have to be guarded by a man with guns.
Who's going to do it? You.
You, Lieutenant Weinberg, either greater responsibility then you
could possibly fathom. You beat the Santiago and you
curse the Marines. You have that luxury.
You have the luxury of not knowing what I know.
That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives.
And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible
to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because
deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want
me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honour, cold, loyalty.
We use these words as a backbone of a life spent defending
something. You use them as a punchline.
I have neither the time of the inclination to explain myself to
a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom
that I provide and then questions the manner in which I
provided. I would rather you just said
thank you and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up
a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn
what you think you're entitled to.
Did you order the cold red Jakarta?
Yeah. OK, be man.
The speech is making it up like like Jessup Thing sees the guy
in the trolley problem pulling the lever.
He. Got it.
Totally, yes. He's actually the guy who put
the people on the tracks. Spot on.
Colonel Jessop has killed more Americans than Cubans in this.
Movie Listen, this one guy was fucking bad at running and if I
didn't execute him, who knows how many other people could have
been killed. Could have been killed.
Jesus, you know what a guy whose job is to stand on a wall to be
bad at running? You absolute half that fucking
waste. This guy wasn't at 105% fucking
physical fitness. Do you know how many other
people might have been killed if this man didn't drown in his own
blood? This one guy they call the
pickup private because his job is to drive the Jeep.
Give that to him. Yeah, yeah.
It's like, look, now you'll pick up private.
I know the last one also had the ability to get girls to come
off. I only learn that skill too, but
just drive the cheap pick people up.
You know, it's it's it's it's wild to me.
It's it's crazy. I mean, obviously I got second.
I mean it all like just kind of like this.
Once again, it's just like feeding a dress of soul.
I I I am the entirety of the US military.
I I am I made the BBC. I.
Made. It every sellers I made it
bloody hell hot. You did nothing but make a
country weaker today. Yeah.
All right. I believe you.
Needle drops. There is one decent needle drop
in this movie, Hound Dog, written by Jerry Lieber and Mike
Stoller. Yeah, not the others Presley
version or the Big Mama Thornton.
Yeah, I know. It's that awesome.
Hell yeah, dude. Really good yeah, awesome next
category IMDb trivia. We've covered some of it.
I'll I'll do some more though. Tom Cruise's Jack Nicholson
impression when the characters are quoting Colonel Jessup was
not scripted. Demi Moore and Kevin Pollock's
reactions were genuine. It's a lazy That's not the most
interesting fact to begin with, but the I mentioned it earlier
on, the original play was inspired by an actual Code Red
Guantanamo Bay. Lance Corporal David Cox and
nine other enlisted men turned up a fellow Marine and severely
beat him for stitching to the Naval Criminal Investigative
Service. Cox was acquitted and then they
honourably discharged in 1994. David Cox mysteriously vanished
and his bullet ridden body was found three months later.
His murder remains unsolved. But the that's that's from IMDb,
but I've got some extra detail on that as well.
So the the case itself was based on a real incident.
Aaron, Aaron Sorkin's sister who's a Navy Jag lawyer or was
at the time talking about hazing gone wrong involving a code red
from a superior had the name of the guy.
Pfc William Alvarado was the basis for Santiago.
He survived and didn't die and the and the other Marines were
court martialed, obviously not convicted of murder.
So they they've upped the stakes by having him die during the
hazing to make it obviously like a meaty case for a movie and or
Broadway play. Got a goof that I noticed last
night. So the dialogue after after
Martinson kills himself and Kathy said he put a 45 calibre
gun in his mouth or whatever, but that's a Beretta M9.
It's a 92, just a nine millimetre pistol.
Yeah. So basically garbage film.
Hated it. I wanted to shoot myself after
watching it just because they got that one particular gun.
Well. A good thing that you mentioned
earlier on about the the lack of a romantic subplot.
So an unnamed executive gave Aaron Sorkin a note.
If Tom Cruise and Demi Moore aren't going to sleep each
other, why is Demi Moore a woman?
Yeah. And he was, and he was.
Yeah. And he responded.
I said the obvious answer. Women have purposes other than
to sleep with Tom Cruise. That's incredible.
Yeah. Brilliant.
I mean, I would argue, I mean, Tom Cruise doesn't really give.
Right. On the subject of Tom Cruise.
We've, we've kind of skirted around to the subject of of, of
Tom for a while. One of the other things we we
haven't talked about, and it's not about business really, but I
don't find him convincing with any of the female leads in a
romantic subplot. I've never seen him in a movie
where he has a romantic subplot with a woman where it's worked
for me, with the one exception of being Eyes Wide Shut because
he's married to Nicole Kidman and the whole plot of the movie
hinged in the fact that they have a weird energy.
Example, Edge of Tomorrow with Emily Blunt, don't buy it.
And everyone loves that movie and I love that movie, but don't
buy that. Don't buy that romance.
Oblivion with Olya, what's her name?
Oh, can't remember. My name, my tongue.
But yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't buy that one either,
really. I don't know whether it's a
blast or a curse. Kalenko.
It's he's, he's blessed or cursed with the physical
aesthetics of a sexy man, but incredibly sexless vibes, Yeah.
Oh, topical Maverick with with John Mcconnelly.
Yeah, and they have that. They have that sex scene which
is just the two of them rolling on in a bed laughing at each
other. That's that's what do you think
sex is, man? That's so weird.
It's just that like doing this, the whole bit like big big big
toothy laugh face that he does on interviews and stuff.
So what do you think sex is? That's that's it, man.
Yeah, that's that's that's it to him.
So say lying in bed with a lady and laughing.
Crazy. There's a couple of more goofs.
So we mentioned already the Judge Advocate has the same
qualified immunity as any of her attorney.
Or in your defence. So you wouldn't get court
martials for asking a question of Jessup?
Yeah, yeah, you, you. Maybe he would if he was found
in contempt of the court and was saying mental shit.
But just doing a line of questioning shouldn't fill him
with a fear regard. You know, when they bring in the
two US Air Force airmen in to spook Colonel Jessop because he
thinks he's got a smoking gun with with the testimony of these
two guys. But actually he's brought them
in a set dressing because he was like, what were they going to
say on the stand? Oh, that they had no
recollection. You know, that wouldn't have
worked in real life because witnesses like that don't just
sit in the courtroom waiting to be called forward.
They're kept in an ante room and then brought in purely for their
testimony because they don't watch the rest of the trial
happening. Yeah.
What else has gone on? Salutes?
Ridiculous. Yeah.
Because of that already people salute me like her gear indoors
Mental. Would this movie have been
better with Doctor Jack Ryan? Like, isn't Jessup supposed to
become some sort of more important national security?
Like, this could start as Ryan requesting some sort of
investigation into what's going on.
Like like this. We want this guy on our Security
Council, but there's like people dying off at his command despite
him only being in Cuba. That's SUS.
Look at that. You would, you know what it is.
And in that case, he would totally dispatch Ding Travers to
investigate, wouldn't he? He would send Ding Travers and
John Clark to to see just what the Hell's going on down there.
Oh, this is a totally different movie.
Totally different. Movie.
Good movie, totally different one.
To on the ground investigation into the cultures of yes of of
the Code Red. That would be the movie.
The movie would be called Code Red.
Called Code Red and it would be sick.
Tom Clancy's Code Red. Code Red.
That would be absolutely sick. I want to watch that film when
he would, he would need to write that film.
Sean Connery is the judge. Nice.
I believe I have found that right.
You watch yourself. As far as Doctor Richard Kimball
goes, he could have been a specialist witness for the
defence. Specialist medical witness?
Yeah, defence. Yeah, lactic acidosis.
Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, President James Marshall.
This movie has an actor called James.
Marshall I was like, holy shit, man.
Yeah, but as President James Marshall, could you imagine
President James Marshall in this movie as the as the president?
He's he's like, he storms, storms in at the end.
He's like. Out of my courtroom.
Big swinging Dick of the executive branch.
Get off of my base, get out of my Marines.
Get out of my core. Get out of my.
Core. That sounds incredibly
homoerosic. Sucking in blood out of.
My Marines. Was like, oh, we're.
Discussing the military break, It's not if it's underway.
Energy over here. Jeffrey Wright could have been
anybody in this movie. Jeffrey Wright could have been
good on the Kevin Bacon rule. Yeah, definitely.
As as a as you're not standard Marine, Yeah.
Who's the thinking? The thinking man's Marine who
still wears the green uniform but actually has something
between his his ears. A freshly eaten crayon.
He was since paying for that one.
You should you should refer to them as Naval Interim
Infantrymen just to piss off any potential Marine listening and.
His Majesty's jollies soldier, and a sailor too.
Not my words, the words of rigid Kipling.
Oh. Shit.
Oh shit, Rigid Kipling was crazy for.
That one yo. As frightening as this fire.
Waggon, right? King Louie, It's all comes back.
Awesome spot, King Louie. Holy shit.
Everything flows from from from Roger Kaplan, clearly.
Oh, yeah. Oh, well, yeah, exactly.
God, you may talk of gin and beer when you're quoted safe out
here in fucking Guantanamo Bay. Quoted safe out there.
But when it comes to saucer, you do your work on water and lick
the blooming bits of him. That's got it.
Yeah. All right.
OK. Couldn't get in, everybody.
Yeah, that's the Ding Chavez award for missed opportunity of
the movie. Clearly the ghost of of Uzu
Kipling appearing as a first ghost.
But apart from that, God, I think this movie nails it
largely the only thing right. So I, I get the impression that
whilst this movie is loved by me and plenty of people I know, I
think Navy barristers every everybody in the military kind
of likes it. I guess it's a good movie.
What it doesn't do, I don't think very well.
I kind of like it, but what it doesn't do, and maybe this is a
good thing actually is it doesn't like have a counterpoint
for Nathan Jessup is like actually the military's actually
good. Actually, it kind of owns the
problem and that like the most powerful guy is a fucking shit
eel and the guy who got passed over Markinson has just killed
himself in a motel room. The the, the, the system does
not reward meritoriously. It's political Wheeling and
dealing just like anywhere else. There's a swamp that needs to be
drained, but there isn't like there's not like a good version
of Jessup to to make us feel comfortable.
You know, it's not like clear and present danger where like
President Jack Ryan at the end, like like stands up to the
president and is like, I don't dance.
It's like it's the old so my 2 step Jack and he's like, I don't
dance and then leaves. You know, it's like that.
I don't know. Is that a missed opportunity?
Actually, it's kind of a win. I'm not really sure.
I think it is a win. While it's not a game changer
and I don't think it would like kind of make the film much
worse, much better just to have just a few seconds of the
incident with the alleged or they were aiming at me.
I was going to shoot a damn kind of thing.
We'll be interested in the stage was how to work that into the
film kind of thing because is it those kind of pose more
questions and stuff and it would add a few more layers to it
actually in the storyline and stuff.
It's like I say, it's it's it's presence or absence isn't a game
breakout or change up. But still it will be
interesting. Interesting, isn't it?
So you got, like, shorts. You got a short scene at the
beginning of the movie of the initial assaults, which results
in Santiago's death, right? Yeah.
There's a version of this movie where they did like, a bit of a
Rashomon thing. And every and every time we see
someone's testimony, we get a flashback to what their
interpretation of the events were.
And you got a whole and you got a whole like, oh, well, from
this, from private Danny's perspective, this is what he
saw. From daughter's perspective,
this is what he heard. From Kendra's perspective, this
is what he said and what they took it as.
You know, there's, there's, there's none of that.
There's just, it's all the courtroom.
I like it for being all in the courtroom because it's all in
your imagination and you are just there because I think it
would distract from the compelling performances and and
the intricacies of the language. I'm I'm, I'm of no doubt that
like robbery. And I had those conversations
when they were putting the movies together and he's
directing it and looking at the screenplay and going, well,
actually, should we and to cut like should we, should we shoot
some stuff and to cut it on the editing to like show what what
they're talking about? Or should we just stay in the
courtroom and stay there and and they obviously made the right
call there, I think to to keep it all in the courtroom, right?
Should we talk about the ML Kua MD kua MH kua.
So that's the most this is this is this is this is this is your
opt for most likely course of action, your most dangerous
course of action and almost hilarious course of action.
Most likely course of action is what they expected it to be,
right? So you assign the case to really
junior council who's got lots of form for taking plea deals and
not taking things to trial. What the most likely outcome of
this is, is that they get the 12 years for a, for a guilty plea
that was offered at the beginning.
And those guys spend the better part of their lives in, in, in
Leavenworth. And Kathy gets his set of steak
knives and moves on. And the whole thing doesn't
happen really. That's the most likely course of
action. And then terrifyingly, that
means that Jessop was unencumbered on his rise to the
top, goes on to be the director of operations for the security
Advisor. And then Jesus, you know, his
career treachery from there is, you know, either national
security advisor himself proper or remains in the military,
becomes like head of the Joint Chiefs.
He's a Colonel at the moment, but you can see him rising up.
Brigadier, whatever Major General, up to general, you
know, you can see like 10 years from this, 15 years from this,
he's he's occupying like 4 star. Terrifying.
Yeah. Or even more scary is he's in
the Oval Office. Oh, jeez.
Presidential run would be horrific.
I feel like I'm in the dead zone and I've just shook that bad
guy's hand and I've and I've had the visions that, you know, live
free or die. You have Jet in your eye and
that motherfuckers. So, so this is the HW
presidency, isn't it? This movie came out in.
So there's a there's a version of this where I don't think he's
on the ticket in time for George W, No.
He wouldn't be. But he's certainly around to be
a contender. I don't know, around Obama's
second term. I mean, you know what, you're
probably right. He would have, he would have ran
against Obama in kind of timeline terms, right?
And. By the time you've you've done
out your military career and you're an old guy.
I mean, he's what was he meant to be about that about 50 odd?
So I mean, let's work it out. So he did, he did Vietnam, so he
did few 2000. So 60s to 70s.
So he's been in for he. Could have you could have been
as young as 1819 during that. Yeah, so he's 60s, late 50s,
Well. Maybe, in which case, actually
maybe he's looking at maybe running against him in the 2008
election, Then yeah, maybe it's like a it's like a reasonable
time. Maybe.
Maybe he's like a contender in the primaries and loses out to
George W Bush. You know what the really
hilarious thing would be? Seeing him doing a presidential
run within that kind of time frame and like, debating
against, for instance, Obama, especially because he'd have
Kendra. Because it's hype man, possibly
even as VP contender, and Kendrick would be trying so hard
not to say something super fucking racist.
Kendrick by this point would have been like dishonourably
discharged for like shooting some children in like, not even
a war zone in like Baltimore or something.
This is your hilarious course of action.
Check. Will it be like just like
Kendrick loudly sweating and trying not to say something
racist while while while his boss he was like The Walking
embodiment of the Navy SEAL copy pasta gets in a debate with
Barack Obama? Can you imagine?
Like, yeah, we just got the we just got the California poll
figures in 89% of voters don't want their baby kissed by
Nathan. 57% of those people thought that was a fairly or
very important issue. Yeah, it's like he looks like
you would eat it. That's like.
I'm just trying to picture him like in in one room with Bernie
Sanders. That was Could you imagine that?
He's pretty getting a question on gays in the military.
Could you just imagine him like answering that?
Like having to and having to like.
I am trying to be nice about it if you ordered that code red.
Oh my God. They attract enemy radar.
They muck about. They always want to sit on the
captain's table. The victim of the gay boat.
Why are you being gay with your men?
I'm here with the commanding officer of HMS Gooch.
But it's just like literally just like literally giving oral
sex suicide on. 90% of injuries in the Naval Service are
sustained to the people. This is a deep cut that's
probably not going to play with the handful of non non British
listeners will have. And in fact, actually I think
more of our listeners and non British than there are British.
I'll put some I'll put some video footage up as it's
happening. Yeah.
So we can see. Yeah, we are, obviously.
Referencing. Brass Eye, which is which is the
epitome of fake news. That's that's the greatest fake
news ever created. I love.
It very good, Yeah. Cool.
Should we? Oh dude, actually got a question
for you. Have you got any notes from the
Peanuts gallery? There's.
Lots of very funny content out there about this film on our
favourite website Letterbox. Once again, not using this spot
to kind of call out people's opinions, even if they are shit.
We'll just kind of move on and deal with these bad opinions
that we witness. I mean it might be a shit
opinion, but it's not a shit person so.
I just glanced. I just glanced at one Rory that
says Jack Nicholson looks like he eats babies.
There you go. That's why the California, the
one touching the fucking kids, man.
But like especially it's like there was one woman who was
like, Oh my God, I named my daughter Crayola and he devoured
her. He's got our Marines, right?
No. So off off off come the glasses,
because I'm an old bastard and let's have a look at these
reviews. So an issue with this is you've
got a kind of main through a lot of ones that are just like 4
stars all caps. You can't handle the truth for
exclamation marks, but we'll get once like he was digging in him.
If you know, you know genius Chungus.
I have no idea the meaning of that.
Well, I mean roughly the meaning of it, but I don't get the, I
don't get who he's digging in. So I guess I don't know.
And that's four stars if. I had to guess it would be Tom
Cruise and Kevin Bacon. I guess so, yeah.
Tom Cruise, you know. How's your fucking soft bio
Jack? Tom Cruise delivers the
courtroom passion of a man who thinks an extraterrestrial ruler
named Xenu brought brilliance of people to Earth and killed them
with hydrogen bombs and now they're souls attached to people
and 'cause them to stress. 4 1/2 stars here.
I love what it's like 4 1/2 stars.
Say what? What more could it have done
rolling into the courtroom with the two schnooks like they're
the letters in Miracle on 34th? I love that.
I do it for one second. By the Jack Nicholson's carrot.
I would actually decide to blurt out the truth in court, but
otherwise, great watch. Disagree.
I think you absolutely would. I think he thought he was
totally unassailable at that point.
Like I said, the man said the walk and talk and physical
embodiment of the Navy SEAL. Copy, pastor, you know?
Yeah. He'll sort of contempt for.
That yeah, total contempt for everyone.
He's he's high on his own supply.
He's absolutely in love for himself.
He thinks he's the be all and all.
He thinks he's fucking King Louie, man.
He's not King Louie. He's not from Princely.
He thinks he's Lily, Allen thinks.
He's his own. Yeah, he.
Thinks he's Rod Stewart. I'm stronger than the Colonel
because I would never be rage bared into getting myself
arrested for murder and several of our felonies.
Absolutely. Basically a charisma competition
between Cruz and Moore, and they're both Duncan Three's on
all counts. Also comes across as a Zuma
versus Boomer clash in some respects, which is interesting.
It is interesting. It is Zuma V Boomer Aaron Sorkin
character reaching through the TV to jerk off your neolib dad.
I should go to gaol because I forgot the number one most
important thing about the United States military helping people.
Would it be the perfect movie of Tom Cruise and Demi Moore ended
up together? Sad face no?
That's great. Yeah, display with that one.
Four stars. Demi Moore.
Chronically underrated, not least because she's the only
woman alive to have on screen sexual chemistry with Tom
Cruise. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even his wife didn't. Yeah, well, there it go.
Nothing Tom Cruise does in this movie would be OK in a
courtroom. Yeah, there's, there's, there's
lots of stuff here we'd probably get like thrown out for.
Being Absolutely. A bit of a Dick.
And just one that kind of happens.
Back to the first ever Notes and Piano gallery on No Way Out.
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Cool. That, I think, brings us to the
end of another edition of Sharing Present Dudes.
True on ICIA, sorry. Oh, right, yeah, I mean, that
depends, I suppose. Really.
The only way, the only thing I can think of right, is that is
that this whole movie is based on an incident that took place
at a problem base down in Guantanamo Bay.
And you know, the only reason that that base is there and we
got involved, they got involved with Cuba in the 1st place is
the Cold War and who had and who had a big hand and all that big.
CIA. Central, big Central
Intelligence Agency. So you know, it all goes back to
62, doesn't it? So it's a bit of a reach.
But if it either way, I think it goes slightly in the ante.
They're not really involved, do they?
The closest thing it gets to intelligence is saying that
Jessup's exo, the guy who disappeared and then domed
himself, worked at counterintelligence.
The Marines. So.
And he was really good. So he was like, he's gone.
So I guess it says they're really good at training them.
Actually, so like you would have had some, some CIA kind of
input. Who knows, maybe he was down in
the school of America as at one point maybe he was with the
dance squads. You could.
Make stretch the point a bit and make it to the movies distinctly
against abuse of power. That's true.
And then from there you extrapolate naturally that it's
probably against the say. That's a coin flip.
This one, I mean between either anti CIA or just entirely
ambivalent on it because I mean. I guess it's against reshaping
the narrative to suit your own ends and prove the truth.
Yeah. So that doesn't speak highly for
this. I think this is one in the anti
CIA box. Just yeah, just because of like
Aaron Sorkin's general outlook. Yeah, so what's the tally at
now? 12 happens to?
Let's work out which one's the poor Aunt I.
So no way out? Yeah, Auntie.
Yeah, Meteor. I can't remember what you said
for that. Ambivalent.
Yeah. Hunt for All October Pro.
Vehemently pro yeah. Vehemently pro yeah.
OP Centre didn't. They weren't involved.
Yeah, sure. He wasn't involved in that film
at all, Rosalie. Really striking distance not
involved. God War of the Worlds not not
involved the enemy of the state pro I think just because they
because they weren't the NSA. It was it was it was pro CIA of
identifying anti NSA. And June Hackman's character
being yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Because it was. It was broad, wasn't he?
Yeah. And God, what have you?
What was After that we did Crimson Tide, which was
ambivalent. The last one we did was
unstoppable, ambivalent and oh and Fred is the Condor which I
think is anti. Yeah, yeah.
So we're equals equals in there. And then we add on this as an
anti. So it's 3 to 2 I think.
Cool. So we'll keep, we'll keep track
of that. What's the next movie we're
going to do? I just had a pick.
So it's one of you guys. All right, we're going to go
apeshit. We're going to go nuts.
We are going to go for a film that I initially wanted to do
was my pick right when we started this podcast off.
We're going to go for the incredibly bonkers mid to late
2000s thriller that is Smoking Aces.
Wow. OK, cool.
Chris Payne, the cast of thousands.
It's going to be nuts. I'm really excited.
This film's crazy. I wanted to propose this for
like the first film we did, but it's so long, there's so much
stuff in it. It's a mental and I hope, I hope
the board approves of my request.
Yeah, absolutely. It's true.
True. Carnahan's Smoking Aces also did
knock. Do you remember Knock?
Yeah, God damn. Oh, bleak movie.
Yeah, Cool, awesome, so cool. So yeah, come back for episode
13 of Clear present Diesel. We'll be covering smoking aces.
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