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Gains represent a clear and 
present danger of national 

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security of the United States. 
You have no idea. 

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What bit of welcome back to the 
clear and present dudes, the 

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podcast where I expect and 
demand your best. 

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Anything less, you should have 
joined the Air Force. 

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Cool. 
Thank you for joining. 

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I'm Mike Sabah. 
I'm joined here with my good 

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friend Rory James O'Toole. 
Hello, currently down in the 

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sonar room for those of you who 
want watching on videos. 

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I'm letting those green hues 
that are standard issue for any 

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ICBM submarines solar room 
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And Sonya Bjergsen joining us 
from his new digs and his new 

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accommodation over in Hamburg. 
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Come on everyone, unfortunately 
I can't offer any interesting 

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colour use at the moment. 
I'm afraid we've switched to 

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daylight OPS rooms. 
So welcome to episode 10 of 

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Clear and Present Dudes. 
And we are covering the 1995 

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movie Crimson Tide. 
Hence why I've left myself in 

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submarine control room Crimson. 
Thank yous to all the people 

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who've been listening and rating
and commenting and all that good

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stuff Allows us to keep doing 
what we're doing. 

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So that's, that's brilliant. 
Before we tackle the movie this 

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week, Rory O'Toole, I've got to 
ask you a question. 

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How are you getting on with Tom 
Clancy's The Bear and the 

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Dragon? 
Good. 

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Grief. 
We're close to the end game on 

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it. 
The The Road to War phase has 

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drawn to an end, and now what's 
beginning is a word or a phrase.

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I don't know if it's one word or
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two words because it's an audio 
book. 

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Hyper War. 
I don't know if I love it, I 

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hate it, but it's but the 
concept of hyper war is 

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referenced multiple times, which
which you never quite got an 

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answer as what the meaning of 
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But to basically, when last we 
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preparing for their incursion 
into Russia for a resources grab

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of the oil and gold newly found 
in Siberia. 

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The Russians had joined NATO 
with like 00 protests from any 

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other members of NATO. 
President Jack Ryan. 

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Sorry, President Tom Clancy. 
No, sorry president, President 

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Jack Ryan, right. 
He's he's like, this is his 

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unilateral wet dream. 
Russia's in NATO, that's it. 

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The Chinese invade Russia led by
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He smokes at least 60 cigarettes
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And and that's mentioned in the 
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Now, I think that Tom Clancy's 
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of the the circumstances around 
the divorce he was going through

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because his book is incredibly 
divorced because President Tom 

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Clancy throughout the entire of 
the book keeps like bumming the 

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occasional cigarette off his 
secretary. 

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And then there's like this, this
bad guy, he was like Marshall 

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whatever, lit the 60th cigarette
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And it's like Tommy sees like, 
see, I'm not that heavy a 

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smoker. 
President Jack Clancy isn't that

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bad a guy. 
He's just occasionally bombing 

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them and hiding them from his 
bitch wife. 

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The Chinese go into Russia. 
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against like the Russian forces 
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Siberia. 
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real like Tom Clancy just going 
back into writing about land 

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wars in Granny Ladidia like you 
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It's lost like a lot of the 
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like the preamble when that 
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romancing A Politburo secretary 
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He's going to say it. 
You're going to say it. 

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Go on, just say it. 
Jade sausage, there we go, no 

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more. 
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bit of like diplomacy before the
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There's just because, to be 
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cool, but it's not funny to talk
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of it is. 
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America, right, and China has a 
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obviously for business, maybe 
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concern that they're going to be
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state, right? 
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government a diplomatic note 
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way guided munitions on all of 
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If any American citizens in 
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begins in earnest as well, 
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like President Ryan tries to 
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to like to like tell him, hey, 
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But this is like, that's like 
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He's this guy who was elected 
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a himble like, and he's just 
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because he's a good looking 
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And he like does does anything 
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So someone just tells him, I'll 
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you're not in. 
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United States of America phones 
what whatever the presidential 

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palace is called in Beijing 
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He was like, no, he's not in 
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And then he that like the 
contact the US Embassy in be 

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showing in the like, can you 
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lights are salon like, yeah, his
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His legs are still not bad. 
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It's nuts. 
That's insane. 

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That reminds me of this week of 
of Donald Trump getting Benjamin

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Netanyahu on the phone and 
getting him to apologise to the 

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the Prime Minister of Qatar for 
launching those missiles into 

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Qatar. 
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It's just like, yeah, that's 
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that's diplomacy. 
I guess you're doing something 

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about it. 
It's like, listen here man. 

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I want you to say sorry to this 
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Don't. 
Don't do it again, Benjamin. 

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I'm broadly content with the 
genocide so far, but please stop

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that. 
This one specific thing, please 

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knock it off. 
So yeah, I think, I think the 

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next episode we're going to see 
the final installment of the of 

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this hyper war that's happening 
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Hyper War What's that 100 * 100 
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Type this mega war. 
It's not quite it's not quite 

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giga war. 
It's war, but with more clouds 

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of it. 
Very good, right. 

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We're capitalising on that very 
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From, from from. 
Clausewitz OK, right guys, today

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we are talking about Thank you 
Rory for your summary of a Bear 

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and the Dragon. 
We are talking today about 

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Crimson Tide, the 1995 movie 
directed by Tony Scott, starring

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Denzel Washington and Gene 
Hackman, sets during a period of

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post Sylvia's turmoil. 
The film follows AUS nuclear 

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missile submarine SSBN facing a 
dire's dilemma. 

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Should they launch their new 
when the critical messages cut 

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off mid transmission? 
It's a high stake clash of wills

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which you know experienced and 
warriors hell Captain Ramsey 

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Gene Hackman and his new 
thoughtful executive officer 

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Denzel Washington guy. 
Should we just plunk on the old 

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trailer as? 
You no doubt heard my ex OS 

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appendicitis. 
Your name was at the top of the 

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list. 
Oh that's good to know Sir. 

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It was shortlist travel in 
Russia, so they called us and 

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we're going over there and 
bringing the most lethal killing

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machine ever devised. 
The last time we hit this state 

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of emergency was 32 1/2 years 
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Crisis. 
So this is what it's all about, 

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gentlemen. 
It's what we train for. 

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Emerge the ship. 
Diving officers remerge the 

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ship. 
Make a depth 150 feet on. 

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The one MC dive dive. 
We have a properly formatted 

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emergency action message from 
National Command authority. 

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What we've always known, BEECA 
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feared. 
Telling this to the captain, 

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Russian rebels have threatened 
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and are fueling right now. 
This is not a drill, no. 

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So we have a possible submerged 
submarine you. 

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Find out who that is receiving 
emergency action message. 

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Recommend alert one. 
The battle for survival begins. 

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That's a message fragment, so we
don't know what this message 

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means. 
Our target package could have 

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changed. 
I've made a decision. 

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There's no place for fear. 
He's lost his nerve. 

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I'd rather go on myself and get 
this one wrong. 

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There's no room for mistakes. 
If we launch and we're wrong, 

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what's left of Russia is going 
to launch at us. 

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I'm captain of this boat. 
I don't think that's over. 

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There's no time for doubt. 
Missile systems ready to launch 

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in 6 minutes. 
You repeat this order, or I'll 

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find somebody who will. 
Don't know You won't, Sir, and 

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nothing can stop the tide 1. 
1000 yards of closing time 

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making. 
We cannot launch our missiles 

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unless both you and I agree 
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He's not on. 
Top of us on the charge of 

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mutiny, block Captain Ramsey's 
in his State room. 

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Give. 
Me the missile key, Mr. Hunter. 

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Sir, we are going down. 
I'm the commander of this ship. 

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Crimson Tide, I've got to help 
you if you're wrong. 

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If I'm wrong, then we're at. 
War it's a good trailer. 

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Man, that's such a good trailer,
isn't it? 

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That is a good. 
Trailer how Douglas did the 

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voice over on that trailer. 
He's the guy I talked about a 

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few episodes ago. 
Did like a zillion voices get it

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for five trailers? 
Awesome. 

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Some things like trailer like 
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we'll talk about. 
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submarine. 
I'll talk about that in a bit in

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the in the trivia. 
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if you were listening to this 
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shotguns getting cocked. 
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How many shotguns do you need on
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How many? 
How many firearms in general do 

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you need? 
It was wild. 

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Yeah, we meant in like a juicy 
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they're alongside and they are 
armed with the SAAT rifle, as is

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every quartermaster in the RN 
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But shotguns, the only time 
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board ships I'm aware of is when
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for clay pigeon gene, which is 
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It's. 
Pretty best. 

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I was just going to make a dumb 
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one of the the S and SSPN stands
for shotgun. 

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Like. 
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Nuclear. 
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mean, I wonder if like there's 
an element, if you know, those 

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like just insane stories of like
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One, like like Dodd Nell's kind 
of actions and stuff and 

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submarines like, ah, we're going
to pull up on some random beach 

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and put a boarding party you 
show and they're going to 

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destroy a train, that kind of 
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I wonder if like Captain Captain
Gene Hackman's prepared for all 

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eventualities, you know, got 
significant amounts of of 

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shotguns in case they need 
replace the Olympic skeet 

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shooting team. 
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there's no more like society, 
but the SSBNS all survived due 

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to the fact of the nuclear the 
world out Marisk America has 

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still got to have like the best 
skeet shooting team, right. 

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So there you go. 
That's it. 

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Yeah, I. 
Suppose the limit is that 

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they're obviously taking the 
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apparently going to the trailer,
which is seems a bit Newt when 

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you've got a try to missile 
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But yeah, no, let's just park 
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Dawn of it. 
They're going to tilt right down

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and they were really low 
trajectory shot. 

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That'll that'll show them. 
It's coming in under the radar. 

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The ICBM identifies as a 
Tomahawk for this film. 

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Before we get before we get like
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goose and stuff. 
I think I think the starting 

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precepts of this movie is is 
that it was made without the the

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cooperation of the United States
Navy because they quite rightly,

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I suppose, were pretty concerned
about the depiction of 

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submarines this way. 
The idea that you could put a 

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submarine to see and have a meet
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stuff. 
The movie was made well any 

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assistance from the US Navy 
apart from like one retired guy 

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who I guess got like didn't get 
listened to very much because 

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there's a there's a raft of in 
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I'm sure we'll we'll pour into 
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Released in May 995, Crimson 
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taut post Cold War thriller 
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alleged cocaine fueled duo Don 
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who were the guys behind Days of
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also Tony Scott at the helm. 
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Gun, Deja Vu, Man on Fire, Enemy
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So yeah, awesome. 
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to the USS Alabama submarine, 
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University of Alabama's football
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The story unfolds amidst 
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An ultra nationalist threatens 
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missile facility and threatens 
to launch nuclear missiles, a 

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little bit like Tom Clancy's Op 
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nuclear arsenal. 
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ambiguous EAM emergency action 
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encounter with an Akula. 
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missiles. 
The EXO Denzel Washington 

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So, you know, madness ensues. 
As I mentioned, directed by Tony

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writing on Call of Duty Games 
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another movie that deals with 
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missile and Richard P Henrik, 
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credit. 
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dialogue punch UPS by Quentin 
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obvious when you when you when 
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Cinematography was done by a guy
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a lot of work with Ridley Scott,
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Martian and Napoleon. 
He also did that weird fly me to

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the moon movie that came out 
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Plus I was Chang Taysom and 
Scully Johansson where they 

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faked the moon landing. 
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case the Mulan doesn't really 
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The contacts of the movie came 
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The Hollywood were obsessed with
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time and trying to find who the 
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At this time we had we had the 
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990-2995 reception box office 
got about 157 million worldwide.

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I think it really would really 
well got 3 Oscar nominations for

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editing sound and for visual 
effects. 

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And I think that's fair enough 
because it holds up to this day,

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I think in those regards. 
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set the gold standard for, for 
mutiny at sea dramas in the 

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modern era. 
And it's still used in in ethics

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classes in naval colleges to 
this day. 

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It's a it's a pretty iconic 
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we're going to go into, it's got
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Some of them I think fair enough
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Some of them less so, a bit more
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insulting to people's 
intelligence. 

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Yeah. 
Should we should we get into? 

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Well, there's a lot of intro 
from me. 

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I'm sorry, shall we get into the
plot beats? 

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I will start with the beginning.
So the first thing we see is a 

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reporter reporting from the 
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They're talking about how this 
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this nuclear facility and how 
the And then it cuts to the chat

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with Gene Hackman doing the 
interview for his new EXO. 

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Of the scenes on the fog, I was 
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wasn't endorsed by the US Navy. 
But doesn't mean. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
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that. 
It's funny. 

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That's a French aircraft 
carrier, I thought. 

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I wonder if they didn't have the
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this one, clearly they don't. 
I've noticed it like thriller 

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media and products in the 90s 
always have CNN as kind of gold 

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standard news establishment of 
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It's circling back. 
It's the CNN news team in, in 

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the Baron the dragon who filmed 
those Chinese cops killing the 

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people Nuncio in that maternity 
suite and and swinging out was 

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like when, when, when you see 
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from a certain orange toned guy 
and and all of the people around

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him. 
It's wild to say that like CNN 

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at one point was like shorthand 
in storytelling terms. 

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This is believable news, and now
it's fake news, obviously. 

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Yeah, is like the gold stand, 
isn't it? 

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So that the journalist is a guy 
called Richard Valeriani playing

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himself. 
He was a White House 

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correspondent in the 60s and 
70s. 

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He got his, he cut his teeth. 
He spoke 5 languages. 

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He died in 2018. 
He spoke 5 languages. 

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And he cut his teeth in his 
career by covering the Bay of 

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Pigs invasion Cuba. 
So he's a, he's like a real guy.

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The the ship for the ship. 
Spot on nerds is a Clannon soil 

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class as the second of its type.
Fess Fok seemed after Ferdinand 

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Fok, who was a highly decorated 
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launched in 1959, sold to the 
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after this, and then she was 
sadly scuttled in 2023. 

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So now she's, you know, a bit of
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Brazil, sadly, but yeah. 
We don't have any listeners in 

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Brazil yet and I hear that 
because I want to get those come

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to Brazil posts. 
Yeah. 

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Would it like me to come to 
Brazil? 

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Yeah. 
I want I want I want to get 

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those like come to Brazil and do
do a live show posts. 

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I really do. 
And I was going to kind of get a

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little bit really about stock 
footage that they used to like 

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narrate the the like the the 
whole rise of the ultra 

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nationalists and the start of 
this war. 

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It's like, oh, we have to drop 
off JB 233 musicians can 

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frigging Apaches. 
It's like this video of Russian 

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planes, this video of Heinz out 
there. 

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It's like, come on, man, spend 
spend about 5 minutes in the 

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freaking video library and find 
find something that at least 

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matches with what you're saying.
But that's that's in fact, no, 

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it is it is it is kind of 
glaring. 

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It is really glaring how, I 
mean, my back was up at the 

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scenes in The Sum of All Fears 
when they're doing those 

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precision strengths on a Russian
air base and it's clearly AC130 

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getting hit. 
But that's like a few seconds of

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film. 
And this is like establishing 

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shots and it's giving us the 
it's giving us the lore of 

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what's going on. 
It's like, get the get the 

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equipment right, man. 
I felt instilled, it insulted. 

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The thing is though, like if you
if you, you think about this in 

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terms of like 1995, like there 
weren't as many nerds on the 

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Internet, like, like pouring 
over this kind of stuff, like 

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Jane's is an incredibly 
expensive obligation. 

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So, you know, the people who are
who would have known by a 

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glance, You know, I learned most
of this from video games, like 

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I, I like in the late 90s. 
Yeah, I I knew behind The Who 

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come and everything was because 
I played Jane's Apache Longbow. 

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Counterpoint though, this is all
like news footage. 

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This is all like stock footage 
from the news. 

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This is tough. 
People would have seen like 4 

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years previous. 
The footage of of of Apaches is 

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from Iraq. 
Yeah, I wonder. 

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Literally the opening beats, the
Gulf War, iconic footage of the 

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Apaches, all have a firing and a
gun line kind of thing. 

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People people would have a lot 
of people would have seen this 

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just a few years prior. 
So I do think it is kind of lazy

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storytelling. 
And I mean, I'm going to sound 

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like a bit of a Dick, but. 
They'd been a pretty well 

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photographed Chechen war. 
You could have had footage of 

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Heinz and stuff. 
Yeah. 

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It was ongoing though. 
I mean, that's the, I mean, 

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that's the rub, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

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But at the end they have they 
have footage that PSP from 

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Chechnya. 
That's true, yeah. 

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I was going to say they they do 
manage in the end. 

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Maybe that's the the 5 minutes 
more of research they they have 

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by then. 
Yeah. 

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We'll fix it and pause. 
We'll fix it and pause. 

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They did not fix it in person. 
They did not fix in post. 

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So the next thing we get after 
that is Captain Ramsey, Gene 

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Hackman. 
That's the cigar chomping Elder,

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elder statesman, old and bold, 
interviewing for his next EXO. 

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He's he's lost an EXO to 
appendicitis, although it's 

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heavily implied that he drove, 
drove him away for a clash of 

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personalities. 
And he's interviewing Lieutenant

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Commander Hunter, who was Denzel
Washington. 

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And also present there is the 
chief of the boat played by 

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George Desunde. 
We get a little bit of an 

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initial kind of view of their 
different personalities. 

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So, you know, Gene Hackerman's a
straight shooter. 

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He doesn't care if what he says 
offends you. 

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He's not like one of your hoity 
toity educated Navy boys who's 

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done time in Harvard. 
He killed the hard way and is a 

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blunt instrument. 
And he's what the Navy wanted in

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the 1970s. 
And is he still? 

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Is he still relevant now? 
Vice Hunter, who's allergic, 

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educated and obviously 
thoughtful, but there's also an 

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up and Comer and there's a high 
flyer, hence why he's in in the 

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runner for this interview. 
We also meet Gene Hackman's dog.

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Let's just get that elephant out
out of the room. 

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It's a weird so like they hand 
wave it by saying that it's just

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a weird quirk that and it's 
maybe like a tool to show how 

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influential and how highly 
regarded as a as an effective 

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operator that Ramsay is that 
he's allowed to have this weird 

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eccentricity of having a dog on 
board and allowed is a thing 

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that's mad though, like oh, just
makes them seem a bit 

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ridiculous. 
I mean that in the fish tank 

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it's like what is this was arc? 
Ryan Philippe's fish tank? 

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How is Ryan Philippe allows of a
fish tank? 

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I understand the captain getting
away with having something 

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mental like that, but like right
Like it was a fish tank in the 

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middle of the junior eights 
mess. 

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What's going on? 
Did you not have a fish tank in 

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your mess? 
I think that might genuinely be 

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a bit of a like a fuck you to 
the US Navy for not not like 

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support on the production of the
movie, which is like, fine. 

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We're going to show you guys 
having a second. 

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Your buddies are breed then. 
That is an incredibly good call 

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because the Alabama is portrayed
as a little bit of a party boat.

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What do you think about what 
there's there's, there's like 

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there's a guy with a fish tank. 
The captain cuts around with 

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this little dog peeing on 
things. 

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There's there's there's just 
dudes dancing the soul music in 

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in the in in like the caverns 
and stuff. 

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But it's like it's like this 
service a non serious vessel. 

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It's like. 
Yeah, that's weird as well. 

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Yeah. 
So I'm not a submarinance, but I

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am. 
But I have been on on ships in 

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various noise quiet states. 
Seems to me like right. 

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So an SSPN exists for has has 2 
has two functions, right. 

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OK, so it's obviously it's a 
Terran, it's a nuclear 

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deterrent. 
So so to do that, it has to go 

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to effect missing, you know, 
like missile release. 

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The other thing that has to do 
is not to be detected. 

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So the one thing that they're 
pretty pretty anal about is is 

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maintaining a noise quiet state 
when they're on patrol. 

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And I get the impression that 
this captain doesn't, you know, 

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doesn't mess about when it comes
to this kind of thing. 

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And neither should the high 
flying super duper all over it 

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XO and neither should the old 
and bold salt looking for the 

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boat who is a sticker for the 
rules. 

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It just I don't know. 
So yeah, you're right. 

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It's a bit of a weird party 
boat. 

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I guess it's been a show like 
for morale, the contrast, it's 

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happy now. 
It's not going to be happy 

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later. 
That's that's that's show 

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everything starting off on a 
good foot and then turning sour.

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Whereas if it's super serious to
begin with, maybe it maybe you 

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don't get that communicated to 
you. 

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But there are moments when it 
doesn't even get as super 

448
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,560
serious as a submarine film 
normally would like, for 

449
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:26,320
instance, all the times when the
the kind of I'm I'm not sure the

450
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,400
modern terminology, but from 
playing a lot of silent hunter 

451
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,320
when when the rig for silent 
runner, there's there's still a 

452
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,000
significant of quite loud 
dialogue and people are moving 

453
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,160
around noisily and stuff. 
And it's like, you know, it's 

454
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,000
like, what do you think? 
Like films like hunt for October

455
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,040
on this freaking silence man. 
And then it's like, hey, guys 

456
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,280
are partying just a little bit 
less. 

457
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,280
Yeah, yeah. 
So. 

458
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,120
It's a chill out room. 
Yeah, so we'll we'll get into 

459
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,520
that into your course When when 
when that kicks off. 

460
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,760
But yeah, you're right. 
There is never any point in this

461
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,800
movie. 
The like the the noise quiet, 

462
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,840
stay elevating even when they're
like in direct contact with an 

463
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,040
Akula class hunter killer. 
Yeah, crazy. 

464
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,960
The next thing is a quite short 
scene where the captain briefs 

465
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,880
the officers and senior rights 
in a separate room about what 

466
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,760
their mission's going to be. 
Basically to lay it out for us, 

467
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,360
the audience, what they're going
to go off and do. 

468
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:21,720
And then there's a few 
introductions made. 

469
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,680
The next thing after that is the
crew is amassed a mustard in 

470
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,800
front of the boat in the 
absolute pissing rain. 

471
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,120
Gene Hackman as Captain Ramsey 
gives a big policy broadcast to 

472
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,120
the ship's company as well about
what's going to happen. 

473
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,880
And whilst I've got a lot to say
about Gene Hackman's leadership 

474
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,000
style, this this, this opening 
chat actually isn't that bad. 

475
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,960
This is actually pretty good. 
Like he's got a rough away 

476
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,040
button and he says some things 
up, maybe are not PC these days.

477
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,800
But in terms of in terms of 
laying out what's he expects 

478
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,040
from the crew and what they can 
expect from him, be pretty 

479
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:52,920
clear. 
Pretty good. 

480
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,280
Got that message pretty loud and
clear. 

481
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,040
We're going to go do a real job.
Step up to your A game. 

482
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,440
If you don't do your A game, I'm
going to kick your ass and get 

483
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,880
you into shape. 
Fair enough, I think. 

484
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,840
But what we also see is that 
Gene Hackman as Captain Ramsey 

485
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,360
has got a pretty toxic 
leadership style and it's 

486
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,680
filtering down to his offices. 
So it's one of one of the scenes

487
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,400
that Quentin Tarantino's 
dialogue punch up has given us. 

488
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,960
There's a scene in a in a bus, 
presumably between that briefing

489
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,560
space to the boat, whether all 
the officers are are talking. 

490
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,560
Some of the enlisted guys are 
getting on the same bus. 

491
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,920
Anyway, they are discussing 
various classic submarine movies

492
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,920
and who was in them. 
So they talk about Run Silent, 

493
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,240
Run Deep. 
I think they get some of the 

494
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,080
trivia deliberately wrong, but 
they're doing that. 

495
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,480
And then you meet James 
Gandolfini's character, right? 

496
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,400
This is where I'm going with 
this. 

497
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,360
And then another sailor comes on
board and he's a bit rotund. 

498
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:42,680
How shall we say Jim's 
Gandolfini essentially bullies 

499
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,680
him? 
So he starts like screaming and 

500
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,080
I'm like, you've got me, Sir. 
He addressed me as an officer, 

501
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,600
blah, blah, blah, blah. 
And he said get him that 

502
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,160
grounded, give me 20, blah, 
blah, blah and just just gives 

503
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,440
him a little shit for like no 
reason. 

504
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,880
Now we can talk about the 
realism of of whether you'd get 

505
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760
a submariner of that of that 
build. 

506
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,800
Bear in mind he has to go to a 
skid for a kidney hatch. 

507
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:07,200
So I was so as I signal, I'm 
talking too much already, but 

508
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,720
yeah, you. 
So I'll end that point. 

509
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,360
Basically Jim Scandolfini is 
like seen one as a bit of a twat

510
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,320
and is is is indicated to us 
early that he's going to be a 

511
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:25,000
heel, I think in this movie on 
the subjects of of toxic 

512
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,040
leadership. 
I'm going to do a quick plug for

513
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,080
a book that I think is fantastic
called Turn the Ship Around by L

514
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,600
David Marquette, who was the CEO
of he's a, he's a, he's like a 

515
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,200
leadership speaker now. 
He does like events and things 

516
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,480
and Ted talks and what kind of 
stuff nowadays and writes books.

517
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,080
But, and he's prior career as a 
submariner in the US Navy. 

518
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,960
He was the commanding officer of
USS Santa Fe as one of his 

519
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,840
boats, which is a Los Angeles 
class SSN. 

520
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,520
Yeah, I don't want to spoil the 
book too much, but basically 

521
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,640
what happens is he inherits his 
boat after the previous CEO's 

522
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,600
removed. 
And the boat in question has 

523
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,520
like the worst rates of 
reenlistments for its junior 

524
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,040
rates, worst rate of junior 
rates or ratings commissioning 

525
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,320
up to the officer class and all 
that kind of stuff. 

526
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,120
And it's just generally 
performing pretty poorly. 

527
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,320
He's got a pretty short timeline
in order to get it ready for 

528
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,240
live OPS and it goes through 
like the changes you made 

529
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,720
basically creating like a rather
than a leader follower culture 

530
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,160
like a a leader leader culture 
has waste what he calls it. 

531
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,880
He's basically empowering is 
probably the wrong word because 

532
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,480
it implies you have power that 
you get to somebody else. 

533
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,160
But but you encouraging, I 
suppose some more positive 

534
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,960
leadership from from the petty 
officers and the chief petty 

535
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,120
officers and all the people who 
have been told for the naval 

536
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:34,280
career that they're in charge of
the boat. 

537
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,480
But I've never had to experience
it because on that that 

538
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,560
particular craft, it was the 
officers pretty much top down 

539
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,960
leadership to the point where 
like the exo had to like approve

540
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,240
every single leave request that 
kind of that kind of nonsense. 

541
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,480
Anyway, that's a really good 
book. 

542
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,160
Should definitely check it out 
if you're interested in military

543
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
leadership, any any form. 
I found it really useful in my 

544
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,560
career and yeah, really good 
anyway. 

545
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,600
I'm still stuck on on the noise 
noise state thing because they 

546
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,480
were going on about like singing
and partying and and when we 

547
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,600
brought that up mentally and 
compared it to other submarine 

548
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,960
movies, I just had not that 
scene from Honda for Red October

549
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,960
in my head where the sonar guy 
goes. 

550
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,880
I heard singing. 
I'm just currently picturing 

551
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,680
like the user status just right 
next to the Alabama. 

552
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,800
What are they? 
Doing I love. 

553
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,280
It new Jack swing. 
You just make it. 

554
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,680
All the boats, including one way
out of Carl. 

555
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,720
The scene when James Gandolfini 
just starts be racing that lad 

556
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,400
and gets it would do push ups 
while while making them answer 

557
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,840
questions about submarine film 
trivia. 

558
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,240
It's like Mr Tarantino, I can 
see your handiwork the. 

559
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,360
Problem is right. 
It's like the problem with 

560
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,520
Quentin Tarantino is you can 
tell his writing a mile off. 

561
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Yeah. 
Because it's always about pop 

562
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,440
culture and, and shit like that.
Yeah. 

563
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,320
When he, when he, when he's 
doing his iconic dialogue stuff.

564
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,240
And that works OK. 
If it's like quirky characters 

565
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,680
that, you know, you don't need 
to necessarily know about. 

566
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,320
Like, if it's like criminals, 
criminals come in all shapes and

567
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,200
sizes in All in all on all 
forms, right. 

568
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,800
So you can write whatever you 
want. 

569
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,480
You can make a criminal any 
character you want because all 

570
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440
sorts of people are criminals. 
But like people in the military 

571
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,080
are kind of like, there's a, 
there's a, there's a, a language

572
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,120
there. 
There's a vernacular. 

573
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,400
There's like a, yeah, the way it
kind of goes, and I didn't, it 

574
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,280
didn't ring true to me for them 
to be that way. 

575
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Don't be wrong. 
There's a, there's a huge, like,

576
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,200
again, there's a big variation 
of people in the military as 

577
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,680
well, but there's like things 
that just wouldn't happen. 

578
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,720
And I just don't think that 
would have happened without 

579
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,160
being without that itself 
becoming an incident, you know 

580
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,200
what I mean? 
Yeah, it's so something I 

581
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,400
recently found out was that 
apparently there was a bit of a 

582
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,760
confrontation on, on on the set 
between Denzel Washington and 

583
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,960
and Tarantino. 
Apparently Denzel Washington had

584
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,240
a bit of a go at Quentin 
Tarantino due to like people 

585
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,080
using the N word in his films. 
And also apparently I've seen 

586
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,520
some posts on on Reddit, which 
isn't obviously the the best 

587
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,560
place to go for knowledge, but 
it's a good place to go to kind 

588
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,000
of see what a lot of people are 
talking about. 

589
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,400
And apparently there's some, 
there's there's some story that 

590
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Quentin Tarantino's script punch
up added a lot more of the 

591
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,640
racial stuff as well with with 
with Gene Hackman's character 

592
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760
and the racial tensions. 
And yeah, apparently Denzel 

593
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Washington was not happy. 
And apparently he apparently he 

594
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,800
demanded Tarantino kind of 
answer to his, to his crimes. 

595
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,920
And, you know, say, can we can 
we, can we talk somewhere 

596
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,000
quietly? 
And Denzel Washington, who I 

597
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,640
imagine was still a little bit 
of character. 

598
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,120
I was like, no, I want to talk 
in front of all the cast of the 

599
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,120
crew. 
Yeah. 

600
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,360
But yeah, like, it's the match. 
Like Quentin Tarantino walk on 

601
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,760
set and he's like, you know, 
God, submarine wouldn't work if 

602
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080
I was in charge. 
Where's the dancing? 

603
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Where's the fights over the 
Silver Surfer? 

604
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,280
Anybody's feet? 
That's. 

605
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,120
What's going on? 
What's going to say this option 

606
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,480
doesn't have enough bare feet in
it? 

607
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,680
Exactly. 
Where's Pam Grier? 

608
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,880
Where is Pam Grier? 
Any pretty much any films made 

609
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,440
by by the presence of Doctor Pam
Grier. 

610
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,280
We have that scene in the 
wardroom where the officers are 

611
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,720
all together. 
They keep calling it the 

612
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,720
officers mess in the movie. 
By the way, it's a wardroom. 

613
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,640
Even in the US Navy, it's a 
wardroom. 

614
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,440
They're having like coffee. 
They're having a a discussion 

615
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,440
about and called on close wits 
and it's another character 

616
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,960
establishing moment here 
between, you know, roof and 

617
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,160
ready blunt instrument Ramsey 
and oh namby pamby thinky boy 

618
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,800
hunter Denzel Washington. 
And they have that classic that 

619
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,760
classic closures for that every 
single officer in the in the in 

620
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,480
the Navy across the world of 
disgust, which is, you know, war

621
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,120
is the extension of politics by 
other means, that kind of thing.

622
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,880
And they discussed that and 
Hunter has his kind of stance, 

623
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,120
which I think is the fracture in
their relationship. 

624
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,080
The first Fisher forming, which 
is when Hunter says that the the

625
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,240
true enemy in nuclear war is war
itself. 

626
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,800
And which tells tells Ramsay 
that maybe this guy has not got 

627
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,960
the stones to launch the nukes 
when he needs to because he was 

628
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,080
obviously doesn't want to do 
nuclear war. 

629
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,440
That doesn't deviate, by the 
way, from from EU SS actual 

630
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,200
policy. 
Nuclear war really like, like 

631
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,600
it's built on the founding 
principle of of deterrence. 

632
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,840
So you amass nuclear missiles so
that you may have to use them 

633
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,680
one day, but you don't really 
intend to use them. 

634
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,960
It's just about the fact they've
got so many of them, your town, 

635
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,480
the world that you know, it 
would be stupid if you to try 

636
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,400
and do it. 
It's the classic mutual mutual 

637
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,440
issue of destruction stuff. 
And so I don't know why Gene 

638
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Hackman gets annoyed about it. 
But what he does get annoyed 

639
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,720
about is, and he has that really
cool line about it is like when 

640
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,640
I went to the Naval Academy, it 
was metallurgy and nuclear 

641
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,120
engineering and they taught me 
how to get to the right place, 

642
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,640
the right time, right rig, fire 
weapon. 

643
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,760
And it seems like they want you 
to know why. 

644
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Yeah. 
And it's like he, he is very 

645
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,360
much like you said, like he's 
like a blunt instrument. 

646
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,040
He he's he's he seems even to we
got to be like just nuke and 

647
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,199
everything and it's and it's a 
bit wild. 

648
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,880
It could be argued that maybe 
he's starting to sundown a 

649
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,440
little bit. 
You know, maybe he's, maybe he's

650
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,320
getting a bit of the old man 
shot kicking in. 

651
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,639
I don't know if it's dementia. 
He's obviously, he's obviously 

652
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,719
like a really intelligent guy. 
You can't be the the commanding 

653
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,800
officer of a of a SSBN without 
being actually really 

654
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,320
intelligent. 
Yeah, yeah. 

655
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,800
You know, he's, he's, he's, you 
know, he's got like you have 

656
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,600
the, the mental arithmetic and 
all that sort of the tactical 

657
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,600
strategic thought. 
He's all, he's actually probably

658
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,120
selling himself a little bit 
short actually, because he has, 

659
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,360
he has to have a lot more about 
him. 

660
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,080
Yeah, like he kind of, he kind 
of acts like a bit of a dumb 

661
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,480
ass, doesn't he? 
Take it away, Vaughn kind of 

662
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,199
thing. 
And it's like he's, he's kind of

663
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:54,320
like lowering himself a little 
bit to like look like more of a 

664
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,440
kind of tough guy. 
But you're right. 

665
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,760
I mean, he's going to be an 
intelligent dude. 

666
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,520
And like you said, he's he's 
studied mythology. 

667
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,320
He studied like nuclear stuff 
from that. 

668
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,440
So he's not a dumbass. 
Yeah, I think, I think where 

669
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,080
what's less plausible or if, if 
we have to imagine a world where

670
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,520
someone like him has made it to 
the commanding officer position 

671
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,080
of an SSBN, where where trips I 
think is probably 

672
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,200
psychologically so. 
And I and I again, right. 

673
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,080
This is a difficult thing 
because I don't know many 

674
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,160
American SSPN captains. 
Okay so this is me just 

675
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,120
speculating. 
I do know captains of of Royal 

676
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,360
Navy nuclear submarines. 
I've been on courses with some 

677
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,400
of them before and in my 
experience, yeah, they they 

678
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,200
might talk a bit of a talk that 
Ramsay does, but they're 

679
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,000
actually all extremely 
thoughtful people and they're 

680
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,560
all extremely intelligent and 
they all ask the questions about

681
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,520
why we're doing these things 
now. 

682
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,440
I appreciate that this movie is 
set 30 years ago. 

683
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,400
So. 
So there was a bit of a bit of a

684
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,720
cultural difference, but I don't
think, I don't think it's would 

685
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,440
have changed that much. 
I think, I think if you ask 

686
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,280
anybody about submarine warfare,
they'll tell you that it's a 

687
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,880
thinking man's game. 
It's a battle of minds. 

688
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,760
And you can't be able to 
instrument because you'd be 

689
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,200
detected. 
Basically, if you, if you are 

690
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,120
stupid enough to think that, all
you have to do is, you know, 

691
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,560
never mind the movement is go 
straight out. 

692
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,440
And like Nelson, you'll get 
yourself, you'll get yourself 

693
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,800
caught out. 
It's not that kind of battle. 

694
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Yeah. 
World according to Lieutenant 

695
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,360
Commander Dunbar. 
Right. 

696
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,640
So let's just let's just get 
into it. 

697
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,120
They're doing an exercise and 
it's a really cool thing in the 

698
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560
movie to show us how it's meant 
to go. 

699
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,160
So the movie obviously does the 
EM message piece at the 

700
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,800
receiving of the signal, the 
checking over the signal by the 

701
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,440
two guys who receive. 
They bring the signal up to the 

702
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,560
XO and the Co. 
They both check it over, they 

703
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,760
check the authentication code, 
they concur and they go for the 

704
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,040
drill. 
And it's really cool that the 

705
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960
movie shows us that because 
obviously that's going to be the

706
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,840
the blueprint of how it's meant 
to go. 

707
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,040
So that when it invariably 
doesn't go the way it's meant to

708
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,080
go, we know that it's different 
and that it's aberrant. 

709
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,320
I like it when movies do shit 
like that. 

710
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,200
As that's going off though to 
make the movie more exciting 

711
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,720
that there is a galley fire. 
Pretty mega galley fire It looks

712
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,720
like. 
It looks like it's gas, which 

713
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,400
can't be right? 
There's no way they've got gas 

714
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,800
and an SSBN. 
Surely we stopped using gas at 

715
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,480
sea decades and decades ago. 
Like it should be electric 

716
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,920
right? 
I don't understand. 

717
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,400
Maybe oil? 
We still use oil for like fat 

718
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,240
fires, so it could be a grease 
fire, but the way it's blasting 

719
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:19,440
across the frame it looks like 
it's gas, which is probably more

720
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,120
of how they achieve the special 
effect, right? 

721
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,360
Yeah, how much? 
The so the flames leaking down. 

722
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,080
For whatever reason the guys 
fighting the fire can't make it 

723
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,360
to the galley isolation. 
So Denzel leaps, gets an Ed 

724
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,200
Baron quickly leaps through the 
fire, smashes the button that no

725
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,160
else could reach. 
For some reason. 

726
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,440
Denzel can jump, the other guys 
can't. 

727
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,160
The buttons for officers only. 
That's why you see the enlisted 

728
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,800
can't, can't, can't touch it. 
They've got to fill in a form. 

729
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,280
Man, bit of a design flaw that 
the button is is substantially 

730
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,560
high enough that people can't 
reach it while while dressed in 

731
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,200
basic firefighting rig. 
That's everything as well. 

732
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,480
Denzel jumps through that fire 
in basic firefighting rig. 

733
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,720
Just like Steve's ruled down in 
the hood on mental. 

734
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:06,200
Anyway that that happens. 
Captain Ramsey wants to continue

735
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,400
on with the drill. 
I think this is legitimately 

736
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,280
demented. 
OK, so losing the galley like is

737
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,000
pretty significant issue. 
It's a it's a critical 

738
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,520
compartment because it it 
obviously governs how you cook 

739
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,960
and sustain for for you guys, 
even a minor fire would have 

740
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,160
resulted in like potentially 
toxic smoke getting around the 

741
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,280
boat. 
They obviously don't hit the 

742
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,960
galley isolation and fix 
firefighting system until the 

743
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,320
fire's pretty significant. 
They haven't been beaten back 

744
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,760
yet because Denzel's jumped 
through it, which is the 

745
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,440
definition of significance. 
So they they've managed to 

746
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,040
handle it, but they haven't. 
I didn't see any other and this 

747
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,040
is probably like a damage 
control thing in a movie. 

748
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,920
A really good example of this is
actually in that mini series 

749
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,080
movie of Battle Star Galactica. 
But for whatever reason in this 

750
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,840
movie they don't do it. 
They don't show smoke 

751
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,960
boundaries. 
They don't show isolating of the

752
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,320
compartments. 
They don't show like crash 

753
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,320
shopping and ventilation. 
They don't show any of that 

754
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,880
stuff going on. 
And so there's a potential here 

755
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,080
that toxic smoke has got around 
the rest of the boat and there's

756
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,120
toxic smoke in that compartment.
The very threat of that should 

757
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,280
be enough to like drop 
everything. 

758
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,800
We're dealing with this. 
This is a pretty significant 

759
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,640
issue. 
So like it's really serious for 

760
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,720
a for a submarine because in 
order to vent smoke out, they 

761
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,520
need to surface or at least get 
to a depth where they can send 

762
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,920
something up to effect filtering
of of air in. 

763
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,600
So you have to send a pipe up 
for that for it to to bring in 

764
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,160
fresh air. 
There's a term for that. 

765
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,760
I forgot what it's called. 
Yeah. 

766
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,600
So they've got to do that 
pretty, which is serious 

767
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,280
business for them because that's
when they're most vulnerable of 

768
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,400
being detected. 
This is the kind of thing that 

769
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,520
diesel electric submarines still
have to do. 

770
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Conventional submarines still 
have to do this regular beats 

771
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,040
just to get intake for the 
engines and that is like when 

772
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,640
they are most risky of being 
detected in marine warfare. 

773
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,240
Like for an SSBN on a safeguard 
patrol to have to do this is 

774
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,840
pretty serious. 
They probably do have to do it 

775
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,840
though because they need that 
compartment back and goal player

776
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,600
solution is you know, you'd go 
alongside duck guard chems would

777
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,200
come in do some chemical 
monitoring and. 

778
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,440
Take Fiji, you can get the 
compartment back real safeguard 

779
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,280
warfare, battle fighting 
conditions that you need to get 

780
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,040
the smoke out and then you kind 
of just take it on risk a little

781
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,000
bit or maybe use briefing 
operates when you're working in 

782
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,320
the compartment. 
Knowing that also that has a an 

783
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,320
endurance they were using, I 
think at the bottles. 

784
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,280
You could do it on a there's 
also normally on submarines vice

785
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,240
this isn't on on surface ships. 
On submarines. 

786
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,840
They normally have essentially 
clogged in a fresh air system 

787
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,760
that people get on board and it 
clogs into a central thing so 

788
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,920
they can travel through the boat
maintaining a fresh air throw. 

789
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,280
I say fresh air, controlled 
breathable air from there. 

790
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,120
Yeah, and you know things about 
that. 

791
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,840
Fantastic. 
Oh, right, yeah, because so my 

792
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,920
actual opinion about that, so 
that's just the beginning bit my

793
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,120
actual opinion and why it's it's
fucking bullshit. 

794
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:55,720
Is is later on, Denzel questions
this in front of the captain in 

795
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,240
the country room saying Are you 
sure you want to do this with 

796
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,760
like there's a casualty? 
He's actually like literally a 

797
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,840
casualty who's who ultimately 
dies as a result of the fire. 

798
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,720
And then they have a a 
conversation about it back in, 

799
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,760
in in Hackman's cabin. 
And I agree with him. 

800
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,080
I agree with Hackman on the on 
the one point, which is we need 

801
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,240
to show a unified face to the 
troops. 

802
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,320
Don't undermine me in front of 
the guys in the middle of the 

803
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,800
control room. 
So I understand that. 

804
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,120
Yeah, I think the way I would 
handle that would be say, can we

805
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,680
have a word outside for just a 
second and then step somewhere a

806
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,040
bit more private and then go. 
So I think we should cancel this

807
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,240
drill right now. 
We've got a safeguard casualty. 

808
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,520
He's someone he's not looking 
good. 

809
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,360
He's going to die without a 
safeguard fire. 

810
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,840
Here's my reasons for because I 
recommend my BDR part, my bowel 

811
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,000
damage, my BDR priority, it 
would be to maintain USS Alabama

812
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,680
as a life sustaining platform. 
I like it's not, it's not to do 

813
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,560
this fucking drill, it's to it's
to keep everyone alive on the 

814
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,480
boat because we've actually got 
a real mission to do. 

815
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,880
So that ties on my second point,
which is Gene Hackman then goes 

816
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,320
on to say that actually the best
time to do an exercise is when 

817
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,120
there's chaos running. 
Yeah, it is. 

818
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:06,640
But you do that by simulating 
more stuff in your exercise 

819
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,680
where so you throw more 
complexity into the exercise as 

820
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,120
you go in trained safe to train 
conditions. 

821
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,920
You don't, you don't do it when 
there's a safeguard incident. 

822
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,000
And that could literally sink 
you because that fire could have

823
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,360
easily got out of control. 
It took them so long to get that

824
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,880
that fixed firefighting systems 
operation in the galley could 

825
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,120
have killed someone if they 
weren't on air. 

826
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,480
Like like there's so much stuff 
that could have got and it did 

827
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,240
kill someone ultimately. 
So yeah, right. 

828
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:31,080
That's it. 
That's when did that. 

829
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,080
So, so, so that is then the 
bottle lines drawn I think 

830
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,040
between those two, they now 
officially do not see eye to eye

831
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,760
about how to run the boat. 
I think, I think that's, that's 

832
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,240
the moment where the potential 
beautiful relationship that 

833
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,560
could have started Sowers, which
sets us up perfectly for what 

834
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,800
happens next, which is when the 
launch order, the safeguard 

835
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,160
launch order comes in. 
In fact, I I've absolutely 

836
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,840
witnessed Captain Commanding 
Officer ignore a safeguard 

837
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,880
safeguard cord during an 
exercise. 

838
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,920
So unfortunately it's not not 
unlikely. 

839
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,600
So basically that is how it 
would go down in Germany. 

840
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:15,840
Well, that CEO only was CEO for 
little more than half a year. 

841
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,680
So I don't think that went too 
well. 

842
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,880
To be so careful with this kind 
of stuff, you know, I, I 

843
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,800
understand the impulse Like 
we've got a job to do. 

844
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,680
Can we, can we handle both 
instance at the same time? 

845
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,360
Is it's officially low enough, 
but I just I just don't you 

846
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,240
don't mess around with people's 
actual safety. 

847
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,640
You know it doesn't. 
It doesn't improve lethality of 

848
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,800
your of your if your platform if
you just stood John and try and 

849
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,040
do exercise when you've got 
people safeguard breaking 

850
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,320
themselves. 
Gene Hackman's whole thing. 

851
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,640
Oh it it was his £300 that 
killed him, not the fire. 

852
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,880
Yeah, the fire had the fact 
though, didn't it mean it wasn't

853
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,480
play? 
Yeah, it was certainly what we'd

854
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,480
call a causal factor. 
Yeah. 

855
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,240
You know what I mean? 
So the next big bit I'm going to

856
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,480
kick off about is the so the 
launch order, right? 

857
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,600
The the actual crux of the 
movie. 

858
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,440
So then the inciting Internet of
the movie occurs. 

859
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,920
They receive an EM because this 
guy is now taking control of the

860
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,440
facility. 
So the EM comes in and it it's 

861
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:18,000
the order to missile launch. 
What happens almost immediately 

862
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,720
after that is another message 
starts to come in. 

863
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,680
But there, and this is 
Hollywood, but there one radio 

864
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,200
that can, that can that can 
receive the yeah message, the 

865
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,840
most important thing they'll 
ever receive, the one point of 

866
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,240
the one single point of failure 
they've got for that doesn't 

867
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,000
work. 
OK, I'm going to put that to one

868
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,080
side because about it the movie 
doesn't work. 

869
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,200
And then they have the the the 
big disagreement. 

870
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,160
So they've got 1 positive order 
to to fire. 

871
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,560
They've got a garbled second 
message and and Hackman wants to

872
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,160
fire the missile. 
Denzel Washington, as Hunter 

873
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,440
says, I do not concur. 
Not. 

874
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:55,200
Concur. 
And I do not recognise your 

875
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,720
authority to relieve me under 
command under Navy regulations. 

876
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,240
Cobb, arrest this man. 
I'm getting out of here on the 

877
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,080
operating procedures governing 
the release of nuclear weapons. 

878
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,080
We cannot launch our missiles 
unless both you and I agree. 

879
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,400
What are you having for, Sir? 
This is expressly why your 

880
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,080
command must be repeated. 
But then they have this 

881
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,720
disagreement and then this is 
where it really kicks off. 

882
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,560
So we have ultimately Ramsey 
gets removed from the control 

883
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,640
room and sent back to his 
stateroom. 

884
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,000
Hunter Armed Guard, British 
Guard and Hunter the EXO takes 

885
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,200
command Capital C command of the
of the vessel. 

886
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,040
So this as well. 
And then course, Hunter then 

887
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,760
takes the the the decisive 
action to attack and destroy the

888
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Akula leading this excellent 
kind of cat and mouse chase that

889
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,160
they have with us, which I 
thought was incredibly cool, 

890
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,680
beautifully shot. 
But before going to that at 

891
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,880
stake. 
Yeah. 

892
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,000
So I just really like how the 
film ramps up the tension so 

893
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,760
much. 
And just when when this film is 

894
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,440
on, it is on form, man, it is. 
I love it. 

895
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Probably on form. 
Yeah. 

896
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,000
Like a dam. 
They're arguing and they're 

897
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,360
yelling over each other. 
Yeah, that's true. 

898
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,400
Well done. 
Yeah, like it's brilliant. 

899
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,480
What I keep saying, like the 
reviews of the film on the on 

900
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,520
letterbox for the for the notes 
of the piano gallery, it was 

901
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,360
quite hard to find stuff. 
It's actually kind of funny 

902
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,720
because a lot of the reviews of 
it's very insightful and a lot 

903
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,240
of them come back again and 
again. 

904
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,800
It's an action film where almost
everything is dialogue and I 

905
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,520
think that's brilliant. 
Like it's it's a proper dialogue

906
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,080
heavy, really, really well 
written drama. 

907
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,360
It's fantastic. 
It's great. 

908
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,480
It really, really is, and Tony 
Scott does such a good shot job 

909
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,360
of shooting it because it's like
still a really interesting movie

910
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,200
to look at. 
Yeah, the angles and some of 

911
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,760
it's a bit wild, like when it 
has shown rapid movement through

912
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,160
the ship and you're showing like
all those angles of them going 

913
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,880
down multiple decks and it's and
it's like it's not think just 

914
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,280
how big is this vessel? 
You know, it's like it's like, I

915
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,280
mean, wisecrack my dad always 
made about the TV series Voyage 

916
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,640
to the Bottom of the Sea was 
that the USS Seaview was 

917
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,880
somewhere between the size of AT
class submarine and Taiwan, 

918
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,080
depending on the plot and 
depending on what the plot 

919
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,040
required. 
And I think I think that's 

920
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,960
something that you do see in 
like a lot of a lot of submarine

921
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,640
films that can, you know, if the
plot demands that it'd be big 

922
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,080
dance, be tiny. 
It all works well. 

923
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,160
A tricky 1, isn't it because 
SSBNS are massive, but they 

924
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,960
don't feel massive is the thing.
So all the component, because 

925
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,680
it's, they're still a tremendous
economy of space. 

926
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,920
It's not like, it's not like 
it's massive because they've got

927
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,200
the freedom plate. 
It's not like this aircraft 

928
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,480
carrier there, they are cramped 
on board. 

929
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,280
Yeah, because we're like the 
missile like tubes on like like 

930
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,200
we're talking about this, the 
Hood front October, right? 

931
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,240
How like they've got to say 
freaking Warhammer 40K cathedral

932
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,120
kind of like missile tube layout
and like that. 

933
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,440
That's not accessible while at 
sea, right? 

934
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,840
I mean, yeah. 
Yeah, I've not seen a, I've 

935
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,960
never seen a, the ladder chain 
that you have, that central 

936
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,120
ladder chain, that stairwell, 
it's actually a stairwell. 

937
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,520
I've never seen that before. 
And I don't know if that's 

938
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,720
accurate to an Alabama class. 
SSBNI have been down into a I've

939
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:18,960
got to be really careful what I 
talk about here. 

940
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,080
I have been on AV, I have been 
on AV boot before and down the 

941
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,640
one single letter chain into 
that and that is not the same. 

942
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,440
That is a literal ladder. 
Yeah. 

943
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,880
Yeah, cool. 
So yeah, I love that. 

944
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,520
That seems brilliant. 
Let. 

945
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,320
Me. 
Just write down British 

946
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,680
submarines have ladders, yeah? 
They got me. 

947
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,760
This ladder technology gives 
Britain the edge. 

948
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,560
Everybody else is still using 
lengths of rope, just scaling 

949
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,400
the bulkheads. 
I've heard that some nations 

950
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,640
are. 
Trying to now. 

951
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,200
I've heard that some nations are
trying to evolve humans into 

952
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,400
spider men so it can just like 
climb up the bulkheads inside 

953
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,560
the vessels and have no need for
ladders. 

954
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,560
Yeah. 
Consider escalators. 

955
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,160
Until they don't work. 
Talking and talking about 

956
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,080
multiple points of failure. 
That Mitch Hedberg would have 

957
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,240
been laughing at that, just 
watching the escalates become 

958
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,600
stairs before his very eyes. 
I. 

959
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,240
Hope his lace gets caught in a 
bloodbath ensued. 

960
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,480
I love this. 
I love this sequence though. 

961
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,880
So you have, again, you have 
that Fisher form. 

962
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,440
So you have the people who are 
Captain Ramsey loyalists and 

963
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,400
people who are happies that 
Hunter is a voice of reason and 

964
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,640
a moderating voice because 
obviously nobody wants to launch

965
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,680
a world ending nuclear missiles 
apart from Ramsey who's super 

966
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,720
keen to do it for some reason. 
It's not really, you know what. 

967
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,960
I think if you were to improve 
one thing about this movie is 

968
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,680
that you would give Ramsey the 
humanising. 

969
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,440
There's a bit of it at the end, 
but I think there's a through 

970
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,080
line. 
If you had Ramsey go, of course 

971
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,520
I don't want to fire nuclear 
missiles. 

972
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:57,600
I know it would end the world. 
But I do believe it is my duty 

973
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,880
if ordered to do so and just 
have it be more spelled out that

974
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,480
that he's acting out of duty and
pride. 

975
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Yeah, that's a very. 
Good. 

976
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,720
Not pride, but duty rather than 
him being bullish and really 

977
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,120
keen to fire them. 
Yeah, cool. 

978
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,560
So they get separated and then, 
yeah, let's talk about the the 

979
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,640
crisis that begins. 
So obviously a lot of internal 

980
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,080
tension between the officers and
crew, but now there's an 

981
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,360
external battle as the cooler 
kicks off. 

982
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,640
Which which final way should 
have taken them to to Can't 

983
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,000
fucking read it but the. 
Noise noise quiet stays ultra 

984
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,440
noise quiet they. 
Keep banging on doors and 

985
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,640
yelling. 
Yeah, yeah, that's this the one 

986
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,320
thing that I think Tony Scott 
was like, you know what, It's a 

987
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,720
movie, you don't care. 
But yeah, you're right. 

988
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,560
They're slamming hatches. 
They're feeding fish. 

989
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,240
They're. 
Yeah, and busting out one of my 

990
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,160
and busting out one of my 
favourite coaches, Cod Soda. 

991
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:55,920
Holy shit, Sir. 
You know I've got one question. 

992
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,280
So commonly submarines are 
referred to as boats, right? 

993
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,640
Yeah, and they've got a chief 
off the boat, correct? 

994
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,200
Why does the CEO keep referring 
it to it as a ship? 

995
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,560
It pisses me off Unintentional. 
Made by the film makers. 

996
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,400
I was, you know, asked the same 
question. 

997
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,760
So there's a so there's actually
a goof and like there's not some

998
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,720
kind of there wasn't some point 
when that for like I'd like a 

999
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,480
few months of the night. 
He started calling submarines 

1000
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,200
that have ongoing reports as 
ships. 

1001
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Correct. 
They're meant to be called 

1002
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,040
boats. 
So whilst the Royal Navy and 

1003
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,400
again the US Navy, whilst the 
prefix for those vessels is 

1004
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,000
HMSUSS, as in the United States 
ship, Manchester ship or his 

1005
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,520
Manchester ship, now they are 
still referred to as boats. 

1006
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,040
They are, you know, for the many
reasons that we call things 

1007
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,800
ships and boats is a boat. 
I mean also they lose a bit of 

1008
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,400
the gravity if they were called 
like the USB Alabama. 

1009
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,400
Yeah, RMB not. 
Like your shit, you've got to 

1010
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,120
turn it upside down and try and 
fit it in that way, Yeah. 

1011
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,640
In fairness, His Majesty's boat 
sounds bravely unfreatening. 

1012
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,640
It's it's just the king in a 
little rowboat. 

1013
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:08,400
Just scud about. 2nd in command 
of a unit that had raw Navy 

1014
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,720
motor boats, RMBS. 
Get in. 

1015
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,480
But yeah, all right, cool. 
Yeah. 

1016
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,280
So a cooler class fights kicks 
off Yeah, really good really, 

1017
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,120
really film making wise I was to
take my Navy head off I would 

1018
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:25,560
say really good Action Cinema 
like generally it's fast-paced. 

1019
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,560
The music is great Hans Zimmer 
brilliant music. 

1020
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,000
The tension is there. 
A lot of the visual language of 

1021
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,600
it is tricky to do. 
And they pull it off. 

1022
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,400
So there's two, there's two 
competing things going on. 

1023
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,480
One, the sonar operator plays a 
major part of the of the battle,

1024
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,880
But you can't show a realistic 
waterfall soon on display to the

1025
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,440
general public and expect them 
to interpret what's going on. 

1026
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,680
Nor can you have just the guy 
screaming at the terminal and 

1027
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,240
then just cut to showing an 
actual waterfall display because

1028
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,120
it just wouldn't make any sense 
and it wouldn't be very 

1029
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,000
thrilling to watch. 
And you haven't got the time to 

1030
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,760
like teach the audience how to 
interpret a waterfall display 

1031
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,600
either. 
That would be a really boring 

1032
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,000
movie. 
Not for me, but for other people

1033
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,120
it would be very boring, you 
know, So they do that. 

1034
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,240
So they've got to, so they 
simplify that display. 

1035
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:16,440
And when I say simplify, they 
make it into a weird mixy BLOB 

1036
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,400
of a, of a, of a raw radar feed 
and an ARPA radar feed. 

1037
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,000
So you have like sweep lines, 
like a radar, bearing in mind 

1038
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,000
that those sweep lines are there
because there's something 

1039
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,840
literally spinning basically 
around. 

1040
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,760
There's nothing underwater 
spinning for those sweep lines. 

1041
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,520
And then the other thing is 
because they need to use the 

1042
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,520
visual language of colour to 
dictate who the friendly things 

1043
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,880
are and who the enemy thing is 
and, and what the torpedoes are.

1044
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,360
This is what the vessel is. 
And they have this weird thing 

1045
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,360
where the Akula contact comes up
as like a red Oval and when it 

1046
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,040
fires torpedoes, little green 
ovals come out of it. 

1047
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,280
And they also move really, 
really smoothly, despite the 

1048
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,760
fact the sweep lines again, 
going around, they're not 

1049
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,280
refreshing with the sweep lines.
They're just transiting across. 

1050
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,680
And now you do get certain feeds
that can do stuff like that, 

1051
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,080
like, but that's more it's more 
like a command system, which is 

1052
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,800
taking that feed as one of the 
many inputs, putting through 

1053
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,920
data distribution unit and then 
showing you a screen with 

1054
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,440
something else on. 
You wouldn't have St blinds 

1055
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,000
necessarily on that unless it 
was part of a radio image, radar

1056
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,760
image overlay. 
So another movie that falls far 

1057
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,960
of this and the legacy of Tony 
Scott is topping Maverick on the

1058
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,960
aircraft carrier shows you like 
a really weird mixie bubble of a

1059
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,800
radar feed and a command system 
feed. 

1060
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,880
Anyway, I'm being boring. 
So that's one bit. 

1061
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:33,520
The second bit is is movies 
always show submarines moving 

1062
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,680
silently through the water at a 
slow pace because that's how we 

1063
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,400
understand submarines to 
manoeuvre. 

1064
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,040
It doesn't sit right for us so 
that submarines would go fast, 

1065
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,320
especially model submarines 
which are which we're using here

1066
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,040
using model work. 
It would look fake, I think, and

1067
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,800
uncanny to our eyes. 
However, a lot of combat in this

1068
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:58,240
is is predicated on the the use 
of seduction countermeasures and

1069
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,560
the way solution countermeasures
work. 

1070
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,960
And in fact the way this battle 
works. 

1071
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,200
So one the way the solution 
countermeasures work is that you

1072
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,880
have to have a lot of separation
between yourself and the 

1073
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,720
countermeasure for it to work. 
So you're trying to Draw 

1074
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,960
Something away from you and 
towards the countermeasure. 

1075
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,280
So they need to have that that 
separation of distance, 

1076
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,560
otherwise it wouldn't work. 
The second thing about that is a

1077
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,240
big part of the fight is that 
the boat has to establish 

1078
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,480
minimum range away from the 
cooler in order to fire its own 

1079
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,800
torpedoes to arm. 
So they need to get at least 

1080
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,600
1000 yards away, which is 
actually a really small 

1081
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:29,760
distance. 
It's like half a mile. 

1082
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,280
They've got to get like 1000 
yards away before they fire 

1083
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,800
their own ones. 
But again, in the exterior shots

1084
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,800
that we see, everything looks 
like it's moving really slow. 

1085
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:43,720
And now this is a weird thing 
because SSBNS are underwater 

1086
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,160
cathedrals and they've got a lot
of horsepower and they've got, 

1087
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,560
you know, nuclear engines and 
they actually can go pretty 

1088
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,000
quick. 
So they they could have shown 

1089
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,960
them going a bit faster. 
I thought that's my only other 

1090
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:58,160
sort of Navy wise kind of 
dissection of that. 

1091
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,480
But otherwise really, really 
good. 

1092
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,920
Sorry, go on. 
I was going to say, I saw saw a 

1093
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,400
little smile on Sanya's face 
when we talked about the the 

1094
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,560
safety ranges of torpedoes. 
Because you were thinking of a 

1095
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,320
certain Captain Tupolov, weren't
you, mate? 

1096
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,520
Hard and fast. 
You idiot as you killed us. 

1097
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Rest and feast of a Real 1. 
Man. 

1098
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,000
I liked how it really kind of 
shows like a three-dimensional 

1099
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,280
kind of aspect of the submarine 
warfare as well, especially 

1100
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,520
with, you know, it being like 
right on top of them at one 

1101
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,960
point and again, the model work 
is is really cool. 

1102
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,000
Love, like, I mean, this is 
like, again, you see these 

1103
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,120
things from the mid 90s that are
like really heavy on model work 

1104
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,200
and the looks really good and 
really realistic. 

1105
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,160
And then a couple of years 
later, people pivoted to CGI and

1106
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,000
then we'll look back at it and 
it's like, what the hell is this

1107
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,920
PS1 cutscene that I'm watching 
in the cinema right now? 

1108
00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:59,960
I'm going to do a rare. 
I'm going to do a rare 

1109
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,640
compliment towards US Marshals 
here. 

1110
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,080
The the aeroplane crash at the 
start of US Marshals is all 

1111
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,600
major work and it looks amazing.
It's amazing. 

1112
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,680
It's really good. 
If you if you look at the 

1113
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:15,640
aeroplane crash in Air Force 
One, yeah, one of the one of the

1114
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,520
worst CGI effect shots of all 
time. 

1115
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,960
I actually can't remember that 
scene from. 

1116
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,240
We'll cover that eventually, and
you'll see it. 

1117
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,480
Diabolical. 
There's a really good YouTube 

1118
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,720
video of a guy who's done his 
own version of it using 

1119
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,240
computers now. 
Yeah. 

1120
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,440
And you see them side by side, 
and it's like, yeah, that's what

1121
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,200
we could have won had we had 
that kind of rendering power 

1122
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,120
back in 1997. 
But yeah, I have all ago. 

1123
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,120
Yeah, DL listeners, we've got 
about 172 films on this list, by

1124
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:44,800
the way. 
So just like, you know, probably

1125
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:51,960
not going away anytime soon. 
Yeah, I think as well when you 

1126
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,920
look at like the visual kind of 
storytelling of films like this,

1127
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,440
you've got to look at it and 
like a kind of continuum with 

1128
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,360
other things and like like other
media like Hunter October came 

1129
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,760
out and what and I'm going to 
keep referring to this not 

1130
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,960
because it's a gold standard of 
submarine films, even though 

1131
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,280
kind of is one of the top wall 
as it's up there, it's up there 

1132
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,720
nightly came out. 
Correct. 

1133
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,400
In the five years between this 
film coming out and hood for 

1134
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,600
Altobar coming out five years 
previously, when you look at 

1135
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,520
other media and stuff you've got
like the the kind of upscaling 

1136
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,400
and the technological leaps and 
video games work with us on here

1137
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,000
that in hunt for Altobar, a 
significant amount of the 

1138
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,160
storytelling of like the action 
sequences like the red root one 

1139
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,640
sequence when when they're just 
just booing at high speed. 

1140
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,320
A lot of that's tool with 
stopwatches, right, Because your

1141
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:50,040
average kind of like vision of 
how was suddenly works at the 

1142
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,240
time wasn't as here as a screen 
with an icon on it and it's 

1143
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:01,600
moving and stuff. 1995 comes 
round when Windows 95 has just 

1144
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:02,760
come out. 
It's really exciting. 

1145
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,400
Everyone's pumped about the 
little start button. 

1146
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:11,040
The Microsoft's blasted its 
budget on licence and start me 

1147
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,200
up by The Rolling Stones for its
adverts. 

1148
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,280
And so you do see more kind of 
screens that, like you said, are

1149
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,280
very much fakey, fakey like 
something from a computer game 

1150
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,720
kind of thing, because that's 
kind of what's expected at this 

1151
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,200
point, I think. 
So part of it's to tell little 

1152
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,240
people how it's going on, but 
they'll have is it's expected 

1153
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,200
work and general in life at that
point for other people's come a 

1154
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,960
lot more computerised and stuff.
And so it's it's it's kind of 

1155
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,000
got to really be done like that.
And you've you've got your 

1156
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,560
little icon that PRC and 
submarine type a cooler 

1157
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,400
manufacturer USSR because 
because that's what you're 

1158
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,640
expecting to see on like things 
that computer games and stuff. 

1159
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,480
So I think that's kind of an 
effect of other media and the 

1160
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,440
presentation of these kind of 
situations. 

1161
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,200
Just my humble thoughts, but you
know. 

1162
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,440
That's cool. 
The display for identifying the 

1163
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,920
track, I don't know. 
I, I wouldn't say that's 

1164
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,520
particularly accurate, but the 
concept is the, the, the, the 

1165
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,280
analysis, the computer aided 
analysis of, of a, of a sonar 

1166
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,640
like sound of a, a track, either
Pacific vessel or or submarine 

1167
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,520
and then appointed it to a known
track in the library and going 

1168
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:28,640
like suspect Akula suspect. 
So for many, whatever that's 

1169
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:29,720
that's legit, That's a real 
thing. 

1170
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,440
Yeah, cool. 
Man, so during this they do get 

1171
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,440
so they they kill the cooler. 
The cooler gets one final shot 

1172
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,560
off before it's sunk, however, 
and that does detonate pretty 

1173
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,800
close to them and does take out 
some of the boat, doesn't it? 

1174
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,200
Yeah. 
So during that we have some 

1175
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,640
fire, there's some flooding, we 
have some struggles to achieve 

1176
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,280
ballast. 
Yeah, harrowing. 

1177
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,720
So the flooding scene is what 
was going to go into grim AF. 

1178
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,360
Jesus, yeah. 
It's really, it's particularly 

1179
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,600
sad because obviously the 
compartment's filling up. 

1180
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,000
You've got Steve Zahn down 
there. 

1181
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,640
Love Steve Zahn and somebody 
else. 

1182
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:06,880
I'm not sure who it is. 
Is it? 

1183
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,240
Is it Ryan Felipe? 
Don't know. 

1184
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,520
Down there anyway. 
And they've been tools. 

1185
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,760
Look, we've lost that 
compartment. 

1186
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,600
I need to see that compartment. 
A Denzel is Denzel's showing 

1187
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,400
that he is not the namby pamby 
soft officer that everyone was 

1188
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,960
worried that he was going to be.
Because he's willing to do the 

1189
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,080
probably the hardest thing 
you'll ever do in his military 

1190
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,880
career, which is shut a hatch on
somebody in the middle of a 

1191
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,920
damage control effort and and 
subject them to their fate. 

1192
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,960
The real tragedy of it is that 
the only reason that Steve Zahn 

1193
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,880
and the VI don't leave the 
compartment is because they 

1194
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,320
can't hear over the sound of the
water as they're trying to 

1195
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,280
isolate the valve. 
Really horrible. 

1196
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,560
Really. 
That's freaking heartbreaking, 

1197
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:46,960
man. 
When when they eat because 

1198
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,760
because obviously that like guys
like shouting commands for them 

1199
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,000
and they're having like a whole 
different conversation down 

1200
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,400
because of the sound of the 
water. 

1201
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,920
And it's that's really, really 
horrifying. 

1202
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:02,240
Man, he's fate is sealed when 
that like the head out of the of

1203
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,160
the office smashes in the grid 
and it's horrible visceral and 

1204
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,920
the blood and everything. 
Oh my God. 

1205
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,360
Yeah. 
Really grim. 

1206
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,040
And then there's the score at 
that point as well, hands in his

1207
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,800
score where they match. 
So during the initial dieting of

1208
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:20,040
the boat, they, his score kind 
of gives away to a choir singing

1209
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,560
Eternal Father Strong to save 
the the naval hymn. 

1210
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,880
And then it has a reprise during
that sequence. 

1211
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,840
And he's like, you know, head 
trauma, drowning compartment, 

1212
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,040
the compartment getting sealed, 
you know, for those in peril on 

1213
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,320
the sea. 
Absolutely chilling, man. 

1214
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,440
Yeah. 
Absolute needle drop. 

1215
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,480
Yeah, go on Grimm, throughout 
this whole sequence we've got 

1216
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:46,560
that one engineer radio operator
struck maintainer who's who's 

1217
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,680
main effort is trying to get 
that EAM thing back online. 

1218
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,480
Yeah, the Star Trek fan. 
Star Trek fan? 

1219
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:58,400
Yeah, that's another bit. 
Of yeah, I can just imagine 

1220
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,040
Tarantino coming in with his 
with his black sports jacket at 

1221
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,040
his white shirt with too many 
buttons open and he just. 

1222
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,880
And there's a line of coke off 
that little red baseball cap 

1223
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:14,320
that Gene Hackman's wearing and 
he's and he's like, we've got to

1224
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:18,760
get a tricky at this film, you 
know, because now captain, 

1225
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:23,680
that's a captain, you know, And 
like, it's, it's just what. 

1226
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,040
Did you know that for Fiona 
Apple, the singer-songwriter? 

1227
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,720
Yes. 
She got clean because she spent 

1228
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,680
one night with Quentin Tarantino
when he was high on coke and she

1229
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,200
was like, I'm never doing that 
again. 

1230
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,360
I'm never excusing myself to 
cocaine ever again. 

1231
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,440
George Grace. 
Yeah, and it's absolutely 

1232
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,720
accurate. 
Man, he's so, so tedious. 

1233
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,320
This guy is like an operating 
maintain of a radio. 

1234
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,680
I don't think that Denzel Watson
used to talk to him like a baby 

1235
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,920
and go like, you're you're going
to be Scotty and I'm going to 

1236
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,520
need that bit more power. 
Like, dude, how about do your 

1237
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,520
fucking job? 
I've, I've literally just, I've 

1238
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,680
literally just committed an act 
of war by killing about 300, 

1239
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,680
like 200 probably Russian 
sailors. 

1240
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,280
Yeah. 
Before I end the world, please 

1241
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:12,000
unfuck this radio now. 
Yeah, it's absolutely mental. 

1242
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:16,240
I mean, the Silver Surfer thing,
God forgive me, I can. 

1243
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,680
I can kind of guess how. 
Because it sure stands the what?

1244
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,160
Because. 
Because there's a point to it, 

1245
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,200
right In the end, because it 
shows kind of just in 

1246
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,160
storytelling terms, the Denzel 
Washington is the kind of guy 

1247
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,360
who's able to meet people on 
their level. 

1248
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,080
And he's like anyone who reads 
comic books knows that one of 

1249
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,600
our Silver Surf has the best. 
And that's, it's a counterpoint 

1250
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,800
to when Gina Hatton's got his 
gun against someone's head and 

1251
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:42,800
he's having a look at this guy's
like, like, you know, like, 

1252
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,440
yeah, yeah. 
And and like, he's, he's having 

1253
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,840
a look at this guy's for the 
name badge. 

1254
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,920
So it's like that that's, that's
the kind of storytelling point 

1255
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,080
counterpoint kind of thing, 
isn't it? 

1256
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,360
But there's to the, to the, to 
the, to the Star Trek thing. 

1257
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,360
Hey guys, you know what you 
love? 

1258
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,240
I'm going to put my level on 
you. 

1259
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,520
Yeah, yeah. 
I, it's a really good point out 

1260
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,840
about the, the silver surf thing
because I, I took it to be as a 

1261
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,560
bit of, a bit of a leadership 
misstep by Denzel Washington 

1262
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,120
there because it shows a little 
bit of favouritism. 

1263
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,640
Yeah, yeah. 
It's like, oh, you, you're a, 

1264
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,960
you're a, you're a, a 
supervisor. 

1265
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,920
You could be going to Annapolis.
You could be an officer. 

1266
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,160
Like, yeah, everyone, everyone 
knows you're you're my 

1267
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,760
favourite. 
I just, I just didn't like that 

1268
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,120
because it shows a little bit of
favouritism from Denzel 

1269
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,440
Washington, who's meant to be 
like a down the line. 

1270
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,520
I I wanted to get your opinion 
on the whole, you're a 

1271
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:35,840
supervisor, why are you doing 
this? 

1272
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,520
Because you couldn't get 
Commission kind of thing. 

1273
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,200
I wanted your opinion on that. 
So yeah. 

1274
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,080
OK. 
So I don't, I don't apportion 

1275
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,640
intrinsically more value to 
having a commissioned vice 

1276
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,920
remaining an enlisted person. 
They're two different, they're 

1277
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,200
two very different career 
tracks. 

1278
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:52,520
So for me as an officer and 
having been a rating, a rating 

1279
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,800
to me is a subject matter 
expert. 

1280
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:01,000
And they will and I always refer
to to to to my, my chiefs for 

1281
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,400
their more advanced knowledge in
the, in certain aspects of their

1282
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,360
job, especially when it comes to
like how kit works and the buy 

1283
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,400
the book of application of very 
specific doctrine for how you do

1284
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,000
very specific tasks. 
So on that aspect, yeah. 

1285
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,320
So, yeah. 
On the other hand, if you see 

1286
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,920
some potential and someone would
be able to do that and excel on 

1287
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:19,800
it. 
Yeah, I've done it before. 

1288
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,160
I've I've, I've told people you 
should consider getting their 

1289
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,040
papers raised and, and, and 
going to Dartmouth. 

1290
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,600
And I've helped people through 
that process. 

1291
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,240
I always support as soon as you 
want to do that, because any, 

1292
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,280
any person can walk off the 
street and go, go to an on 

1293
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,360
forces career office and start 
that process. 

1294
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,760
Just go, I want to become an 
officer and they go, right. 

1295
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,440
Cool, fill out this form and 
we'll do a system. 

1296
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,800
If you go through the steps, it 
annoys me that you get sailors 

1297
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,800
who go to their divisional chain
of command and express that and 

1298
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,920
it's like, OK, well, I'm not 
sure about that. 

1299
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,720
So we're going to think about 
that and I'm going to come back 

1300
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,640
to it at some point and just get
your password finished and kind 

1301
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,320
of like put up these artificial 
roadblocks. 

1302
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,880
I think. 
Yeah, if you want to do it to 

1303
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,520
his life, his career, ultimately
the only thing that's different 

1304
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,200
is that you have to give a 
recommend as their deal so that 

1305
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,800
you don't kind of quote unquote,
wasting the selection board's 

1306
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,200
time. 
But I think it's a bit rich that

1307
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,800
any civilian can go off and do 
that and waste the selection 

1308
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,720
boards time. 
But but a sailor who's already 

1309
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,200
demonstrated they can get 
through trading as a disciplined

1310
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,080
person is showing ambition. 
I do as you take them through 

1311
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,160
like planning exercises and and 
like the leadership stuff and 

1312
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,840
interview and that kind of 
thing. 

1313
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,840
It's just to gauge how driven 
they are to do it. 

1314
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,320
But I'm always really keen to 
help people. 

1315
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,840
Didn't really help people as 
much as they possibly can if 

1316
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,240
they come to me for that kind of
thing because it was really 

1317
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,320
dull. 
Now this episode's becoming a 

1318
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,400
master class on leadership. 
It's actually meant we are, we 

1319
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,520
are, We are now a film defence 
and leadership and comedy 

1320
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,920
podcast. 
We just keep adding 

1321
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:48,960
specialisations on. 
Promotion between commander. 

1322
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,080
So the next thing that happens 
is mutiny occurs. 

1323
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,360
So a mutiny and counter mutiny. 
So we have James Gandolfini 

1324
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,440
raids, the world's biggest small
arm store and everyone gets 

1325
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,120
absolutely tooled up. 
There's even ammunition for a 

1326
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,880
belt fed in there and I'm not 
sure but I think it's like these

1327
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,680
50 calibre ammunition. 
I might be wrong, but it's like.

1328
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,320
That's some big rounds. 
Was there fucking? 

1329
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,319
Belt fed on a on a modern day 
SSPN man. 

1330
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,200
It's wild. 
It is wild. 

1331
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:20,960
It's crazy. 
So that happens. 

1332
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,319
They take control of the boat 
back off Denzel and oh, this is 

1333
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,200
quite cool actually. 
So for the last 60 minutes of 

1334
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:30,479
the movie, there's there's a 
running countdown of the time 

1335
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,000
for the suspected launch window 
for the ultra nationalists 

1336
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,520
seized nuclear weapons. 
So you've got that kind of 

1337
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,439
running in the background is 
like it's counting down and it 

1338
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,720
runs pretty much in real time. 
Yeah. 

1339
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,080
So that's really cool and that 
adds a bit of tension to what's 

1340
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,720
going on, some real stakes 
because it's like, right, if we 

1341
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,439
don't launch now and they do 
launch, we are we are screwed. 

1342
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,279
Was into real time, like when 
there's just that kind of like 

1343
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,160
like films, like like like films
that are completely shot and 

1344
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,319
it's all real time cool films. 
When it goes into real time, 

1345
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:05,240
like right last like 30 or 60 
minutes, it's it's game time. 

1346
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,560
It's it's class. 
That's so cool, man. 

1347
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,920
So you mentioned the old 
nationalists. 

1348
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,200
I know you're aware knows. 
As you mentioned, Michael 

1349
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,600
Schiffer worked on one of the 
Call of Duty games. 

1350
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,120
Bunch of them. 
And I'm just, you know what it 

1351
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,120
is. 
I wonder if it was one of the 

1352
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,319
ones that has that like has 
ultra nationalists in it. 

1353
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,200
I'll check for you some of the 
IT was some of the early ones. 

1354
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,359
And remember, no Russian. 
I bet. 

1355
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:30,560
I bet you did. 
Let's have a look. 

1356
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,200
Because yeah, that's like ultra 
nationalist something, isn't it?

1357
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,359
It's oh, no. 
So he did Call of Duty 2. 

1358
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,319
Finest Hour and the original 
Call of Duty. 

1359
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,920
So no, he didn't do the didn't 
do the didn't do the ones with 

1360
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,279
the all our nationalists and 
stuff because I thought, you 

1361
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,920
know, was he mentioned on that? 
I thought. 

1362
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,000
I wonder if he's just like 
rehashing a few by Diaz he 

1363
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,120
previously had. 
So. 

1364
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,600
He's written all. 
This military stuff and like the

1365
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:01,960
nuclear techno fellows and 
stuff. 

1366
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,160
He also wrote LA Divorce with 
Kate Hudson and Naomi Watts. 

1367
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:09,680
So, yeah, we have the countdown 
going on and Hackman has taken 

1368
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,880
control of the boot again. 
Washington tweets from that 

1369
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,480
like, we've never got this radio
fixed. 

1370
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:17,840
The radio guy pipes up, I've 
never got the radio fixed. 

1371
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,280
We can get the rest of the 
message. 

1372
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:21,800
Hackman, to his credit, meets 
him halfway and says, look, 

1373
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,000
you've got like, it's like 14 
minutes till till the missile 

1374
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,240
launch. 
He's like, right, you've got 7 

1375
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,120
minutes in order. 
So we can still affect our first

1376
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,920
strike, I suppose. 
And yeah, meets him halfway. 

1377
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,320
And they do get it fixed. 
The message comes in and it's I 

1378
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,280
think it's really well done 
because they go through the 

1379
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:40,520
whole rigmarole of like 
verified, I concur, 

1380
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,960
authenticated. 
I can they both read it. 

1381
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,120
They both read it. 
I concur, I concur. 

1382
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,200
And then finally, it's only when
Hackman grabs the gob stick that

1383
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,280
he that he says like abort 
nuclear launch and that kind of 

1384
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,200
stuff. 
I've missed a couple of bits 

1385
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:58,720
before that, sorry, which is 
Diego Boson's character and him 

1386
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:00,040
getting the gun held to his 
head. 

1387
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,880
And then as you mentioned 
earlier, Hackman holding the gun

1388
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,160
to peel Hillar's head, which is 
Scott Grimes, the actor Scott 

1389
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,320
Grimes. 
So, yeah, the, the tension 

1390
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,200
ratcheting up and the, and the 
critical nodes being the one 

1391
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,720
combination that that Viggo 
Motson knows to get into the 

1392
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,080
safe to get out the the launch. 
Yeah, keys. 

1393
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,280
Yeah, I mean, that's the point 
when you say just this, this 

1394
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,800
excellent kind of you see Gene 
Ackman's reaction in in the 

1395
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:31,240
character's kind of self self 
realisation that he knows he's 

1396
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,920
messed up at this point. 
Yeah, Cat get in. 

1397
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,480
Yeah, yeah, but which one is 
that Laszlo? 

1398
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,560
Or is that this is? 
This is a little lassie B. 

1399
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,000
He was just meowing at the door 
sort. 

1400
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,600
Of oh here little man, a clear 
and present cat. 

1401
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,640
She's. 
For our viewers on YouTube and 

1402
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,000
Spotify. 
Otherwise just a cat. 

1403
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,160
Yeah, you're absolutely right 
though. 

1404
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,720
So that's that's when I think 
Hackman takes a look at himself 

1405
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:58,880
and realises like, what am I 
doing? 

1406
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,960
I'm holding it. 
Yeah, he realises that, that 

1407
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,000
he's that he's lost in the 
source at this point and he's. 

1408
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,080
Threatening Arabs? 
He's lost the yeah, threatening.

1409
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,560
I record exactly. 
It's like. 

1410
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,080
You know you fucked up when 
you're you're holding a gun to 

1411
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:15,800
Aragon, the son of Ara Thorn's 
head. 

1412
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,680
My brother, my captain, my king.
Yeah. 

1413
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,560
My brother, my ex, Oh my king. 
Absolutely no one. 

1414
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:28,280
Incredible scenes. 
Yeah, so as I say, they finally 

1415
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,600
had the resolution. 
They've got the second message. 

1416
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,160
It was to call them off to 
abort. 

1417
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,240
They do abort. 
Everyone breathes a massive sigh

1418
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,240
of relief. 
Actual cheering bricks out on 

1419
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,200
board, because everyone's glad 
that we're not going to end the 

1420
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,000
world today. 
I would probably be pretty glad 

1421
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,800
to. 
And the muni is essentially 

1422
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,280
quaffed. 
And I imagine you don't see it 

1423
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,840
because it just cuts straight 
back to like the end sort of 

1424
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,880
scene, but probably the most 
awkward week or two patrolling 

1425
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,520
back. 
Yeah, dead shipmates. 

1426
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,080
I would have hated to have been 
in that wardroom. 

1427
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,680
Those meal times must have been 
diabolical. 

1428
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,840
Yeah, like. 
Yeah. 

1429
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,080
Thank you. 
Yeah, just like you tooling 

1430
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,840
around with you essentially dead
homies in the trunk. 

1431
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,600
It's horrible. 
Yeah, this is the captain. 

1432
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,480
Mum and dad are getting a 
divorce. 

1433
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,120
There's nothing that you guys 
have done. 

1434
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:24,000
Yeah. 
Yeah, awkward. 

1435
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,720
Let me have the final sequence. 
They're they're having a a 

1436
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:32,600
meeting with Admiral James 
Robot, who we'll of course, 

1437
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,280
we'll see in a few years time. 
The enemy, enemy of the state. 

1438
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,800
He was Ben Bradley in All the 
President's Men. 

1439
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,640
And he says, and I totally 
agree. 

1440
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,400
Look, this it's incredible this 
has happened. 

1441
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,080
Like we have these safeguards 
specifically for the situation 

1442
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:52,640
that were not followed. 
The the end result essentially 

1443
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,840
is that they were both right and
they were both wrong. 

1444
01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:59,800
I would say some of the stuff 
that he was worrying about, it's

1445
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,360
not his job to worry about it. 
The the the weapons release 

1446
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,720
piece, not necessarily kind of 
his his bag to worry about. 

1447
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,240
I guess you had the initial 
order, second order. 

1448
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:11,920
I think his real duty was to 
find out what the 2nd order was.

1449
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,400
Easy to say that in hindsight, 
isn't it? 

1450
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,240
But yeah, I do, I do. 
I do feel like. 

1451
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,840
And then then they kind of the 
movie kind of hammers some 

1452
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,680
points on that by am I saying 
that weapons release for some 

1453
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,920
reasons from now on is draw 
directly by the President United

1454
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,680
States? 
Thank God for that man. 

1455
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:28,720
Oh, yeah, that's what you want, 
right? 

1456
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,960
Yeah, that's very. 
Relieve. 

1457
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,080
A very small, steady pair of 
hands on that button. 

1458
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,960
Thank God for that, man. 
It's like, I mean, there. 

1459
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:43,720
I mean, for one, there's a story
when apparently Richard Nixon 

1460
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:49,640
got so wasted that he he wanted 
water Cambodia be nukes and 

1461
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,000
Henry Kissinger had like talk 
him down apparently. 

1462
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,040
And the wild thing is because 
I'm like watching a lot of 

1463
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,880
venture brothers at the minute. 
I keep thinking of Doctor Henry 

1464
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,360
Killinger. 
And just like, if you haven't 

1465
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,680
seen venture brothers, none of 
this is working on like a kind 

1466
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,200
of visual level. 
But just like as little skull of

1467
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:09,880
us and he's like Mr. President, 
do not nuke Cambodia half 

1468
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,360
asleep. 
Instead, go to bed, look into my

1469
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:16,240
my mystical bag of murder. 
It's like that's a really deep 

1470
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:21,120
we had cut and I'm very sorry. 
But yeah, it's awesome that the 

1471
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,720
US President Scott like got, you
know, the ability to do that. 

1472
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:31,000
It's awesome. 
It's it's a period of 

1473
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,920
unparalleled stability for 
everybody. 

1474
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,640
Nobody's worried about it's us 
all. 

1475
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,800
Absolutely not. 
Absolutely not. 

1476
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,840
If aliens are listening to this 
podcast as they look over just 

1477
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,560
the scorched earth, it's just in
a radiated wasteland. 

1478
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,360
Yet somehow we've picked up this
broadcast off the Internet. 

1479
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,280
We're sorry. 
Sorry man. 

1480
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,760
I'm I've not listened to the 
audiobook Nuclear War, a 

1481
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:02,080
Scenario by Annie Jacobson. 
And if you want something to 

1482
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,160
really creep you out and make 
you fear for impending nuclear 

1483
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,000
crisis, that is the book to go 
for. 

1484
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,960
It goes, it goes through like 
literally there's a chapter and 

1485
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,560
like what happened to us for the
1st 4 seconds and then it's 

1486
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,120
like, and then like 2 minutes 
and then like 24 minutes later. 

1487
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:19,800
Honestly, it's breathtaking 
detail. 

1488
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,680
But at the beginning of the 
book, it goes through a list of 

1489
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,520
everyone that she interviewed to
to piece together. 

1490
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:31,240
And it's like senior members of 
government, the light of CIA 

1491
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,200
director, defence secretaries, 
everything. 

1492
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,000
Yeah. 
It's really, really well 

1493
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,120
researched, fascinating. 
A lot all the way through it. 

1494
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:40,600
Yeah. 
But yeah. 

1495
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:41,720
Yeah. 
Really, really, really good 

1496
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,160
book. 
Cool. 

1497
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,240
Final thing, I suppose one last 
little bit of irritating Quintin

1498
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,920
Tarantinoism, is that that whole
show about Lipizanas. 

1499
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,760
Yeah, what? 
I don't know in. 

1500
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:58,800
I don't know if this is 
deliberate or not, but Ram is 

1501
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,840
it, Ramsey is. 
Ramsey insists they're from 

1502
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,960
Portugal and Hunter insists 
they're from Spain, or vice 

1503
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,440
versa. 
Yeah. 

1504
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,440
They're both wrong. 
They're from Slovenia, so I 

1505
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:10,440
don't know, that's meant to be 
like a indication that they're 

1506
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:11,720
both wrong. 
And that's like the whole the 

1507
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,760
whole points or if it's just 
like, you know what I mean? 

1508
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,560
But but the whole thing is just 
smacks of Tarantino and it's 

1509
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,720
just like, OK. 
Yeah, I mean, there's already 

1510
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:30,000
enough kind of story beats that 
illustrate the difference of 

1511
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,360
opinion of character and of 
personality between the two 

1512
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,120
guys. 
You don't need to put in the we 

1513
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:40,560
had actually these racist horse 
analogies are from this country.

1514
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,280
Actually, you're wrong, 
dickhead. 

1515
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:45,440
The from the from this country 
and I'm still really racist, you

1516
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:46,720
know? 
That is the, that is the racist 

1517
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,400
thing, isn't it? 
Yes, the whole, the horses are. 

1518
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,520
The horses are all white and 
actually, no, they're they're 

1519
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,200
born black. 
And yeah, OK, yeah. 

1520
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,280
And it's and it's and if the 
stories are true. 

1521
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,640
They also only are still around 
because patterns stole stop the 

1522
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:58,960
Russians from eating them. 
But. 

1523
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,240
Now that's the real story. 
This film should be digging into

1524
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,480
that incredibly based of 
pattern. 

1525
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,160
And probably the only. 
Base thing pattern has ever 

1526
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,000
done, to be fair. 
What did you say? 

1527
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:12,800
Yeah. 
Not often you hear based and 

1528
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,640
patent in the same. 
Let's just talk about Will 

1529
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,760
Patton, who was incredibly 
based. 

1530
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:23,400
You have no idea what matter of 
power can do. 

1531
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,160
Legend. 
I was I was there as well. 

1532
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,920
I can understand why Denzel 
Washington was was really riled 

1533
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,320
up if the whole let was on our 
things and let's inject some 

1534
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,480
weird kind of racism by Quentin 
Tarantino, the whitest man in 

1535
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:41,320
the world. 
Quentin Tarantino was the 

1536
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,360
whitest guy in the world. 
And I can kind of see why Denzel

1537
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,200
Washington would have been a bit
kind of honked off that, you 

1538
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:53,520
know, this guy's just right in 
this because it's it wasn't it 

1539
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,080
wasn't necessary. 
And they? 

1540
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,720
Would have been shooting this at
the same time like Pulp Fiction 

1541
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,240
came out. 
Yeah, and. 

1542
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,960
If you think about like some of 
the stuff that that Talentino 

1543
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,640
himself says in that movie, it's
like, I don't know how he can. 

1544
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,560
And you know, maybe he uses the 
whole like, you know, some of my

1545
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,960
best friends are black excuse 
because obviously Samuel 

1546
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,520
Jackson's there for most of it, 
but I don't. 

1547
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,680
Know, yeah, what if I'm what if 
I'm singing along of my 

1548
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:23,080
favourite rap song while I'm 
writing my Lipazano stallion, 

1549
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:27,560
You know, ridiculous. 
Yeah, like the like he's like. 

1550
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,160
But come on. 
As, as Sammy has said, some of 

1551
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:31,600
my most intelligent horses of 
black. 

1552
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,480
Just shoot them. 
What's 1000 yards for? 

1553
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,840
Because it takes 1000 yards to 
torpedoes to orange. 

1554
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,400
Jesus, you're fucking to get on 
this ship. 

1555
01:20:21,620 --> 01:20:28,700
Snapshot 2:00 and 4:00 snapshot.
2. 

1556
01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:31,740
And four. 
Categories, gentlemen, for this 

1557
01:20:31,740 --> 01:20:35,260
amazing movie. 
OK, so first one, casting guys 

1558
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:38,940
that ladies, I won't do Denzel 
Washington and Gene Hackman 

1559
01:20:38,940 --> 01:20:40,500
because they are Titans of 
cinema. 

1560
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:49,400
I remember those Titans. 
But we have Oscar from a little 

1561
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,440
list. 
We've got Matt Craven who played

1562
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:54,320
Zimmer, the 10 Zimmer, he's in 
the other movie we're talking 

1563
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:55,840
about doing this week, A few 
Good Men. 

1564
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,600
He was in that show Under the 
Bridge last year with clearly 

1565
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:00,440
Gladstone. 
If you saw that he was in the 

1566
01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:04,760
Pacific and he was in Deja Vu by
Tony Scott and starring Denzel 

1567
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,680
Washington as well. 
So he became a repeat customer 

1568
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,400
we got. 
And he played the CIA director 

1569
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,120
of an X-Men first class. 
Yes, he did. 

1570
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:15,360
Yeah, he did. 
Yeah. 

1571
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,200
Everything comes back to those 3
letters. 

1572
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaking of that, we've got 
George Dasunda, who played the 

1573
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,400
chief of the boat, who we of 
course know from no way out. 

1574
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,760
Yes. 
Awesome. 

1575
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:33,400
And he was in The Deer Hunter, 
and he was also the partner of 

1576
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:34,880
Michael Douglas in Basic 
Instinct. 

1577
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,400
You know, I know. 
And course, George Sinza was a 

1578
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:44,200
German, much like our Sanya. 
He was Bavarian, actually. 

1579
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,440
Sanya. 
Oh, try. 

1580
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,000
To try to try to try to fish him
in, try to get reel in a big 

1581
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,600
one, but it didn't work I've. 
Tried. 

1582
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,200
Off the hook. 
Broad, broad, broad. 

1583
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:05,120
It's October, I am electing to 
ignore Bavaria. 

1584
01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:10,720
Viggo Mortensen Aragon, son of 
Arathon. 

1585
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,720
Enough said. 
Yeah, he's been a few films. 

1586
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,360
Did you know that he did break a
stone? 

1587
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:21,280
He's not really James 
Gandolfini. 

1588
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,200
Tony Soprano series like 30 in 
the Loop, Last Castle, Robert 

1589
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,640
Redford, True Romance, son of a 
Tony Scott movie. 

1590
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:28,280
The guy's a legend. 
Not really that guy. 

1591
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:33,680
I loved that when they went to 
the luxuriously equipped small 

1592
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:38,960
arms locker, everybody's got a 
Beretta R.E.M. 9 or a 92 apart 

1593
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:42,200
from James got Gamalfini, who's 
like, hey, forget about it. 

1594
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,520
And he's got the fucking and 
he's got the wand called 1911. 

1595
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:49,720
That's on the ship that I'm you 
and all these things you say. 

1596
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,040
I'm so ship pilled by the 
dialogue in the film. 

1597
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:57,480
But yeah, I say I'm I'm I'm flip
flopping on that kind of haven't

1598
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:00,240
had Canon that James Gandolfi 
and he just brought his own 

1599
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,600
piece one day. 
Because I think I've said this 

1600
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,080
before, but if you look at like 
a lot of these Steven Seagal 

1601
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,920
money laundering era films, I 
think he's using his personal 

1602
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,560
sidearm a lot of them because 
there's the same there's the 

1603
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,360
same kind of busted old 1911 
that he's using. 

1604
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:18,760
But it's funny as hell because 
because he still can't shoot 

1605
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,160
with that. 
Like he blinks when he shoots 

1606
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:23,560
and it's terrible. 
That's a whole other shit show. 

1607
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,960
But yeah like I love the fact 
that just the most mob coded 

1608
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:32,720
character is parking a good old 
1911 baby back-to-back to World 

1609
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,560
wars winner. 
Forget about it. 

1610
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:39,080
Single stock magazine. 9 
millimetre kills the body, 45 

1611
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:42,040
kills the soul. 
Big bullet, son. 

1612
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,000
Steve Zahn, he was in the white 
loads few years ago. 

1613
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,840
He's in silo this year. 
One of the only one of the best 

1614
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,560
things about that season. 
Rescue Dawn. 

1615
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:55,160
Sahara War for the Planet of the
Apes as well Suzanne of Suzanne 

1616
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,720
Ryan Felipe we talked to already
crew intentions. 

1617
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,040
Yeah. 
Gosford Park as well. 

1618
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,760
Robert Altman's was that his 
last film might have been Scott 

1619
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:08,440
Grimes as PO, Hila Malarkey and 
Banda Brothers and who's in the 

1620
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:10,000
Oval. 
I'm always not sure very much, 

1621
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,840
but I'm aware he's in it and he 
got his kind of big break as a 

1622
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,200
cast regular in the ER back in 
the day as well. 

1623
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:19,560
The ginger doctor Daniel von 
Bargain, I think I'm saying that

1624
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,200
right, is our Russian ultra 
naturalist. 

1625
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:27,720
Ultra nationalist. 
So the Russian Ultra Naturist, 

1626
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:32,400
he's like, we must be nude all 
the time. 

1627
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:34,880
Mother Russia demands your 
nudity. 

1628
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,320
Mother Russia demands you to be 
naked in Siberia. 

1629
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:45,200
Daniel von Bargain is who plays 
the Russian ultra nationalist, 

1630
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,720
is Kruger in Seinfeld from 
Kruger's Industrial Smoothing. 

1631
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,440
He's also in The Postman. 
He was in RoboCop 3, The Bad 

1632
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:57,440
RoboCop, and he was in Oprah, 
The Wear Out There. 

1633
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:02,160
Do you know what like a really 
good like just like a bit of a 

1634
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,520
wink to the fans, which actually
would have made the film 

1635
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,440
terrible and watchable would be 
if if George just stands as dad 

1636
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:13,040
just like thinned him out like 
he did in in this use, you got 

1637
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,720
it. 
You kind of smooth out silk 

1638
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,560
sheets of the hot date when a 
babe. 

1639
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,200
That's the CNN footage. 
Yes. 

1640
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:23,960
It's over. 
It's all over. 

1641
01:25:24,440 --> 01:25:28,080
Reporting live from FS Fox. 
Says forget a little bad 

1642
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,560
Constanza. 
Just like bitching about at a 

1643
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,760
press conference that you 
somehow got into. 

1644
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,640
Danny Nucci is the sooner 
supervisor. 

1645
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,840
TSMI. 
Think the guy who prefers the KB

1646
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:44,560
era Silver Surfer. 
He was in the Rock and Titanic 

1647
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,480
and alive. 
The famous cannibalism in the 

1648
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:51,440
Andes movie. 
And then finally we got Lilo 

1649
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:54,360
Brancato, who was the radio 
operator maintainer. 

1650
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,800
He was in a Bronx Tale, The 
Sopranos, and which we're 

1651
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,600
turning Scott again in Enemy of 
the State. 

1652
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,840
Cool. 
Should we do some quotes from 

1653
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,920
that movie? 
So of course, like I said, one 

1654
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,880
of my favourite ones is the con 
console. 

1655
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,160
Not holy shit Sir, it's right on
top of us. 

1656
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:17,800
Simply because I like the fact 
that he's maintaining the proper

1657
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:23,360
format of the message and that 
he's like, you know, set up. 

1658
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,320
Hello, con, this is so hot and 
then he's losing his right. 

1659
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,840
Holy shit Sir, it's been I'm 
trying to find the one 

1660
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,200
particular one that I really 
liked as well. 

1661
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,720
Why you do that? 
I I was a big fan of Captain 

1662
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,640
Ramsey's policy broadcasts. 
It says. 

1663
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,400
All I ask is that you keep up 
with me. 

1664
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,280
If you can't, then that's 
strange sensation you'll be 

1665
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,360
feeling in the city of your 
pants will be my boot of your 

1666
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,320
ass. 
I love that man. 

1667
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:50,160
Like I say, good expectation 
management. 

1668
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:55,280
Yeah, I saw the whole is lying 
to hunt out and you open it 

1669
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,000
beats the film when the when the
one like the product the sale of

1670
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,320
the submarine says heading out 
of port and he's like I'm going 

1671
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,040
to give you a tiny bit of advice
if you want to run, but someday 

1672
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,760
the very worst you can do was 
worry about yourself or try to 

1673
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,400
impress me. 
I can't stand save asses and I 

1674
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,760
wouldn't about kiss asses. 
And I really like that save 

1675
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,160
asses and kiss asses. 
That's that's good. 

1676
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,200
And The thing is, this is when 
it's still trying to show you 

1677
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,600
that this guy is a good leader 
and something like genuinely, 

1678
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,480
that's a good kind of like, I 
mean, if I was in a job and new 

1679
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:28,440
position and someone's like, 
look, just trying to impress me,

1680
01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:29,920
just just do a good job, you 
know? 

1681
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,480
Yeah, that's actually cool 
because you know, obviously you 

1682
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,680
you work with people in 
management rules and stuff who 

1683
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,000
really do love having a kiss out
surround them. 

1684
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,320
The interesting thing about 
Hackman at the start of this is 

1685
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,080
that you're saying the right 
stuff. 

1686
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,960
I don't know if he, I don't know
if he walks out walk 

1687
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,000
particularly well. 
I think, I think he I think he 

1688
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,520
would if he fundamentally agreed
with Hunter's worldview. 

1689
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,360
But I think once that schism 
comes in, that's kind of off the

1690
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,320
off the menu. 
It's frustrating though, because

1691
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,440
yeah, that that relationship, 
the the COXO relationship on a, 

1692
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:03,240
on any, any kind of warship is 
super important for it to be 

1693
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:07,600
truthful, honest and and and 
kind of also harmonious. 

1694
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:12,280
Nothing worse than a ship with a
seal and the exo do not get 

1695
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:13,800
along. 
The other thing you don't want 

1696
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,080
is just a pure yes man. 
You don't want the, you want the

1697
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,280
exo to just be like, yes, Sir, 
no, Sir, and just going with 

1698
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,320
every single one of the seals. 
Good ideas. 

1699
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,960
The seal needs you to be that 
kind of moderating voice that 

1700
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:30,560
that because you are meant to be
the person who has the the his 

1701
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,480
ears to the ground has the vibe 
of the I was going to say men, 

1702
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:38,200
but the the workforce. 
Especially in this situation 

1703
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:42,120
when one of the main functions 
of the XO is to concur or not 

1704
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:43,120
concur. 
These are. 

1705
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,400
Critical. 
Just say call on 2 new missiles,

1706
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,000
yeah? 
Yeah, and it's the kind of thing

1707
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,240
that at this level of command, 
it's a weird one as well because

1708
01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:52,440
it takes quite a lot of balls 
for Hunter to slip up here. 

1709
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:58,200
Whilst he is backed by by 
regulation, he's a 2 1/2 F-10 

1710
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:59,920
commander. 
He's probably gusting commander 

1711
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:02,360
and would and would almost 
certainly get promoted out of 

1712
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:07,320
this this draft. 
Ramsey is A4 ring captain and is

1713
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,680
probably should by his 
demeanour, he's probably topped 

1714
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,480
out the captain. 
He kind of runs his bit of 

1715
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:16,960
roost, but he is not a 
politician and is not going to 

1716
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,520
make flag rank. 
That's the impression you get 

1717
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:23,520
from it. 
A bit like, a bit like, a bit 

1718
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:24,800
like maverick and topical 
Maverick. 

1719
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:25,920
He's a foreign captain. 
He's not. 

1720
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,520
He's never going to be an opera.
He's an operator primarily. 

1721
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:35,480
So yeah, it takes quite a large 
amount of moral courage for for 

1722
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:37,920
Hunter to step up in this 
situation. 

1723
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,560
And that's kind of what you need
as an EXO. 

1724
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,360
The only thing that you don't 
see enough of from Hunter in 

1725
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,400
this movie is being genuinely 
good exo in terms of managing 

1726
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,240
executive standards of the of 
the platform. 

1727
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,320
He should have been all over 
that noise, quiet state stuff. 

1728
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,160
He should have been all over the
damage control firefighting 

1729
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:55,320
stuff. 
He shouldn't have been donning a

1730
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,280
suit and jumping into the fire. 
He should have been in charge of

1731
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:01,080
the incident and. 
Ryan Felipe to get his ship to 

1732
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:04,080
get his fish off the boat. 
Oh yeah, that I think should 

1733
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:05,480
have left all that dirty fish 
tank on board. 

1734
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,000
Get that fish tank out of here, 
sailor. 

1735
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,280
What mental. 
Yeah, amazing. 

1736
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,560
Quotes. 
How would you like that cigar? 

1737
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,560
It's good, Sir. 
Well, don't like it too much. 

1738
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,040
They're more expensive than 
drugs, I. 

1739
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:19,880
Love that one, that was so good 
oh man. 

1740
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,200
Yeah, man. 
God, Captain Ramsey. 

1741
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:23,840
I don't trust air. 
I can't see. 

1742
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:24,840
I love that. 
That's good. 

1743
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,520
As well last. 
He's got great quotes. 

1744
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:29,160
He really does. 
He really does. 

1745
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:33,720
And and it's just an absolute 
brilliant performance by by our 

1746
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,520
kind of Saint of the podcast 
that is Gene Hackman. 

1747
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:43,440
That's just brilliant. 
The guy exudes menace when he 

1748
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:45,080
wants to. 
He shows vulnerability when he 

1749
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,160
wants to as well. 
Like this, the scenes when he's 

1750
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:53,680
like in his cabin, when he does 
look like legitimately 

1751
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,720
outnumbered and cowed by the 
world briefly, you know, but 

1752
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,960
it's when he's at Bay, when he's
held like he does he like, you 

1753
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,800
know, I mean, like his 
performance, he shows us like 

1754
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,760
accident vulnerability while 
also being a fucking cycle, you 

1755
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:09,960
know? 
This is it, Yeah. 

1756
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,600
This is why he's such a good 
character. 

1757
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,160
He's quite complex. 
Like I said, he's he is a 

1758
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,400
genuinely intelligent guy. 
He's not. 

1759
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,200
He's not a a mad cowboy. 
Yeah, we're here to preserve 

1760
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:22,680
democracy in our classes. 
That one's brilliant. 

1761
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,040
It's true. 
It's true. 

1762
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,160
Yeah, I really agree with that. 
That's that's exactly how it 

1763
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:29,720
runs. 
It's it's one of the greatest 

1764
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,520
ironies of military service that
it's an autocracy, creators, 

1765
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:33,960
defence, democracy. 
Yeah. 

1766
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,760
No, it's absolutely true. 
OK, Mobius, open the door. 

1767
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,480
The chain of commands, The chain
I beat you with. 

1768
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:44,320
But just yet, like the scene, 
the scene when like the scene 

1769
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:49,080
when when Ravetti kicks off with
the guy who he previously had 

1770
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:52,560
the dust up with, when he's, you
know, standing guard and he's 

1771
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,920
like belting him. 
He's kicks his ass and he's 

1772
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,120
like, you know, unlock the door,
Mobius. 

1773
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,000
How else we got needle drops? 
So soundtrack by Hans Zimmer and

1774
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,320
I already talked about Eternal 
Father. 

1775
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:05,880
That's pretty much it for this 
movie. 

1776
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,040
IMDb trivia is really good for 
this movie. 

1777
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,160
There's a lot of really good 
stuff. 

1778
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,200
I'm excited. 
So we've talked about some of it

1779
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:13,240
already. 
We've talked about Quentin 

1780
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:14,200
Tarantino, all that kind of 
stuff. 

1781
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,000
One really cool thing is as I 
mentioned at the beginning of 

1782
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,080
the movie, The U.S. 
Navy did not sanction or support

1783
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,800
the filming of this movie in any
way apart from the, I think the 

1784
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:25,840
provision of one retired 
technical advisor. 

1785
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,880
So to get the footage of the 
Alabama class submarine diving, 

1786
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,680
they got a tip off Tony Scott 
and the film crew. 

1787
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,880
The producers got a tip off from
a sailor that there was a boat 

1788
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:42,920
movement happening out of pill 
and they got a helicopter, a 

1789
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:48,960
private helicopter and over flew
the the sub whilst it was on the

1790
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,600
surface. 
He got in touch with it with 

1791
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,600
you. 
Jeff told it to towards the leaf

1792
01:32:54,120 --> 01:33:01,040
essentially and it didn't leave 
and in order to stop being 

1793
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,480
filmed the boat dived, which is 
exactly what they wanted to 

1794
01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:04,600
happen. 
Get in. 

1795
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,280
That's actually amazing. 
Yeah, it's cool. 

1796
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,400
Cool as yeah, the US Navy found 
the subject of the film 

1797
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:13,680
objectionable and inaccurate. 
And I think they they were 

1798
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,840
concerned about the the 
breakdown of, of naval 

1799
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,240
discipline that that kind of 
took place on board with the 

1800
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:19,800
Moody and stuff. 
It's not, it's not cool. 

1801
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,160
Is it quite funny, though, 
because this is 10 years after 

1802
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,920
about nine years after Top Gun, 
Tony Scott, Brookhimer Simpson. 

1803
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,320
And then if you couldn't get 
enough of that, and there's a, 

1804
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,400
there's a fair bit of breakdown 
of military discipline in that 

1805
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,560
movie too, proceeding below the 
Hard Deck and a lot good jazz 

1806
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,200
the the movie. 
So they got away with that shit,

1807
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:38,760
right? 
Yeah, that's it. 

1808
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:44,160
Classic Fly, but it's Wafu's. 
The funding premise of the movie

1809
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:48,200
is is kind of based on a bit of 
a true story from during the 

1810
01:33:48,200 --> 01:33:52,440
Cuban Missile Crisis. 
As a Soviet submarine, the 59 

1811
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:54,920
attempted to infiltrate the US 
Navy blockade by running 

1812
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,760
submerged. 
By doing so it had been put out 

1813
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:01,120
of contact with it's central 
submarine command in in Moscow 

1814
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,640
and then when the US destroyers 
started dropping signal depth 

1815
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,560
charges to force the submarine 
to the surface, the Soviet 

1816
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:12,440
captain, Valentin Grigorovic 
Savitsky believes that war had 

1817
01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:14,200
broke out between the US and the
Soviet Union. 

1818
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:17,360
His sentiments were concurred on
board by the the political 

1819
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:21,160
officer, a guy called Ivan 
Simonovich Marcinikov. 

1820
01:34:21,480 --> 01:34:25,200
However, Savitsky's second in 
command, Vasily Akrapov, who's 

1821
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,720
also the flotilla Commodore, had
refused. 

1822
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,200
All three needed to agree before
launching, but because of our 

1823
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:34,080
contact for so long with nuclear
orders, Akrapov convinced the 

1824
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,960
captain to surface and they were
found themselves surrounded by 

1825
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,360
US destroyers. 
However, their comms were re 

1826
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,440
established and they received 
orders to return home, therefore

1827
01:34:42,440 --> 01:34:43,920
averting nuclear war. 
Crazy. 

1828
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,360
Just tough, man, yeah. 
So that's obviously 1962 when 

1829
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:49,160
that happened. 
Yeah. 

1830
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:50,200
Wild. 
Yeah. 

1831
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,280
Washington took the role just so
he could play opposite Gene 

1832
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:54,520
Hackman. 
That's pretty cool. 

1833
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,400
Don Simpson and Joey Brookhammer
originally offered Val Kilmer 

1834
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,600
one of the headlining rules, but
he declined and years later 

1835
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,320
Kilman knew that it was one of 
the few films that you wish he 

1836
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,760
had agreed to be in. 
The role offered to Kilmer was 

1837
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,160
never formally specified, but 
could have been. 

1838
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,520
Could have been I think Hunter 
or Weps probably. 

1839
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:17,200
Yeah, probably a bit too young 
to be the the captain, I think 

1840
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:18,680
at this point at the Gene 
Hackman role. 

1841
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:23,720
Yeah. 
Plus I imagine I bet they got 

1842
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,800
Gene Hackman cast early for this
and used that as like hey you've

1843
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:31,400
got Hackman playing a terrible 
pissed off submarine captain to 

1844
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,200
get some poor people in. 
You know he was staffed. 

1845
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:35,200
Absolutely. 
He was, he was, he was the book 

1846
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:37,960
for this project. 
Here's a cool behind the scenes 

1847
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,840
facts. 
So the bridge set for the for 

1848
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:45,040
the I say bridge control room 
set for the submarine was built 

1849
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:48,040
on a big huge hydraulic gimbal 
so they could rotate and stuff 

1850
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,160
while they were doing it. 
Same one that they used for the 

1851
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,480
Hunt for October. 
I mentioned. 

1852
01:35:52,480 --> 01:35:54,400
I can't mention there was a 
technical advisor for the movie.

1853
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,560
Beard is listening to Technical 
Advisor and he was a commanding 

1854
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,520
officer of the real Yes S 
Alabama. 

1855
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,320
Get him. 
And he can be seen in the board 

1856
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,040
of inquiry scene. 
He's the man with no hair 

1857
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,440
sitting next to James Robot. 
So that's the one technical 

1858
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:09,520
advisor they did get. 
Guess you pass on the role of 

1859
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:13,640
Captain Ramsey Tommy Lee Jones. 
That would have been good 

1860
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,640
casting as well. 
Al Pacino was also off the role 

1861
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,720
of Captain Ramsey and Brad Pitt 
expressed sincere interest in 

1862
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:23,520
playing Hunter whilst Pacino was
in the ring for Ramsey, but when

1863
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,440
Pacino pulled out, so did pit. 
That would have been a really 

1864
01:36:26,440 --> 01:36:29,920
good matchup. 
Think anyway, especially kind of

1865
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:35,440
like isn't, isn't Brad Pitt like
much kind of bigger than Al 

1866
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:38,120
Pacino as well? 
I'm sure Brad Pitt's like a kind

1867
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,920
of bit taller than Al Pacino. 
So I would reflect with see the 

1868
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:48,040
kind of pit Pacino square up in 
in the control room because I'm 

1869
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,560
pretty sure there's a bit of a 
height disparity. 

1870
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:55,280
That would have been kind, yeah.
On the subject of heights 

1871
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:59,520
disparities, Tom Cruise was also
considered for the role of Latin

1872
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:03,280
commander Hunter. 
Tom allegedly 5 foot 8. 

1873
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:08,400
Cruise, I can't Like Tom Cruise 
is obviously one of the many 

1874
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,520
heroes of the pods because he'll
be in as as in these movies 

1875
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:12,720
eventually when we start 
covering them. 

1876
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,680
But I don't see him as a 
submariner really. 

1877
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,760
Just I just don't see him 
thriving in a submarine 

1878
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:22,160
environment and I can't explain 
why, but I can't seem being a 

1879
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,320
fighter pilot. 
I can't seem being a submariner.

1880
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,280
You're a fundamentally different
breed of of mariner. 

1881
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,000
And I mean, like a fighter pilot
jobs a job for a little guy, 

1882
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:31,640
isn't it? 
You know? 

1883
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:33,600
And Gene Hackman is like 6 foot 
2. 

1884
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:42,960
So just like, just Tom Cruise as
wonder, Gene Hackman still as 

1885
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,560
the captain. 
The sediment she had punches 

1886
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,320
some of the face. 
You'd have to kind of squat down

1887
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:52,000
a little bit. 
Would have just added this extra

1888
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,800
bit of physical comedy. 
But he's just, oh, it's going to

1889
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,240
go down here. 
Just sorry. 

1890
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,520
That's cool, man. 
I'm going to quickly cut across 

1891
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,960
to the goofs page. 
There's one mental one, which is

1892
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:05,240
that last scene where they go to
the headquarters. 

1893
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,840
It says US Naval Headquarters, 
but it's spelled Naval, as in 

1894
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:10,280
NAVEL. 
Oh. 

1895
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:12,920
No way. 
Like like belly button? 

1896
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:14,400
Oh, man, I didn't say that. 
Oh. 

1897
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:18,440
Or naval pipe. 
There is such a thing as a naval

1898
01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:22,280
pipe on warships, which is where
the anchor cable goes down into.

1899
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:23,560
And it's spelled that way. 
Right. 

1900
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,240
But. 
But not naval as in naval. 

1901
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:27,760
The Navy. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1902
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,000
Naval and the headquarters are 
in DC. 

1903
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,200
They're not in. 
Not in Pearl Harbour. 

1904
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:32,680
Yeah. 
Cool. 

1905
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,280
That's trivia. 
Should we do Notes from the 

1906
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,880
Peanuts gallery? 
A significant amount of these 

1907
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,920
reviews are more like this 
film's really good as far as the

1908
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,920
basin kind of thing. 
It's hard to find funny stuff. 3

1909
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,160
1/2 stars. 
Don't know who needs to hear 

1910
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:53,920
this right now but if some off 
the chain asshole and a Red Hat 

1911
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,400
gives you in legal order to 
start World War three, for the 

1912
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,880
love of all that is kindly 
please refuse. 

1913
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:02,800
Like don't turn that cake slash 
push that button slash, pull the

1914
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,120
trigger. 
This means you TYSM, Senate 

1915
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:10,680
signed me and like, if you 
already did, you know, no 

1916
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:12,720
judgement or anything. 
Like peace I guess right? 

1917
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,240
In your last moments, if you 
have any, you could totally 

1918
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,520
watch this Tony Scott movie from
the 90s. 

1919
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,760
About 30 aggro dudes with guns 
yelling at each other with close

1920
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,960
quarters against the background 
of flashing panels at Dutch 

1921
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,960
angles and super harsh primary 
colours minus yellow for two 

1922
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:29,840
solid hours. 
Which if you're not out and wake

1923
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,760
up again, will still be going 
on. 

1924
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,040
But if you manage to watch the 
whole thing, await. 

1925
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,440
Like if you can't sleep because 
you might have, you know, 

1926
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:40,000
started not a hot war that just 
maybe could consume more life on

1927
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,480
earth in a majorly uncruel 
confragration, you will 

1928
01:39:43,480 --> 01:39:45,880
inevitably find yourself 
wondering what happens, which 

1929
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:49,040
faction of yelling dudes, either
the nuclear war right now or the

1930
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,720
nuclear war maybe later camp 
will inevitably defeat the other

1931
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:54,560
or come to a mutual 
understanding. 

1932
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,760
But it is possible the junior 
actions and the actions of those

1933
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:59,480
like you. 
You might not have time to 

1934
01:39:59,480 --> 01:40:02,560
finish the movie, but you can 
probably guess how it turns out.

1935
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,840
Because it is a Hollywood movie 
and not real life, which is just

1936
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,600
as inevitable and depressed. 
Fasting and bound to predictable

1937
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:10,560
narrative, but have a super nice
day. 

1938
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,160
OK, TTFN. 
TTFN. 

1939
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,240
Not a single full stop on that 
whole last paragraph, so 

1940
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:20,040
obviously I had to kind of have 
a few breathing breaks there. 

1941
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,880
Tony Scott's feel safe and close
as he got to a chamber drama. 

1942
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,920
Basically a feature length 
rendition of those surveillance 

1943
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,360
fan sequences from Enemy of the 
State. 

1944
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:33,680
Everything seemingly lit by the 
glow of sauna and fluorescent 

1945
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,800
lights. 
Gene Hackman is also straight up

1946
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,880
playing everyone's toss in this 
movie. 

1947
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:41,760
Denzel Washington and Gene 
Hackman comparing Dick sizes is 

1948
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,400
pretty entertaining for two 
hours, but take a drink every 

1949
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,080
time the spot Tarantino's 
dialogue washing ashore and 

1950
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,600
you'll be drowning in more than 
just Crimson Tide. 

1951
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,800
Watching ashore. 
Yeah, Tarantino's punch UPS 

1952
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:56,240
really stick out like a sore 
thumb. 

1953
01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:59,520
A sore thumb that kind of rules.
And all time Zimmer score and 

1954
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,200
Tony really using that red, 
green and blue lightning in the 

1955
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,720
sub with full all caps 
advantage. 

1956
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:08,320
Washington and Hackman shouting 
match and Dandel Feeney clearly 

1957
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,640
being turned on by holding a 
gun. 

1958
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:14,960
Dudes rocking underwater and 
they're great. 1 He have four 

1959
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,680
stars. 
Zimmer makes brass scream while 

1960
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:21,800
a bunch of damp boys lit in red 
and blue splash sweat everywhere

1961
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:27,520
and shout into microphones. 
Are we not all damp boys yelling

1962
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:32,600
in God's submarine? 
Right. 

1963
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:36,400
Most egregious military 
industrial complex oversell, I 

1964
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,800
think. 
I think in reality it's the idea

1965
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,160
that two men could hold the 
entire nuclear arsenal hostage 

1966
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:45,160
with competing orders. 
I think there's more field safes

1967
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:47,680
in the real world than that. 
I don't think it would have 

1968
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,520
turned into a mutiny, the mutiny
situation. 

1969
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,800
I think it's also possibly the 
fact that SSBNS for some reason 

1970
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:58,000
the set up for like platoon 
level engagements with small 

1971
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:01,680
arms. 
Yeah, it's wild to me and but 

1972
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,880
it's not gross of ourselves, but
it's a rather silly of 

1973
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:05,680
ourselves. 
Like I said, unless to go for 

1974
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,120
World War One kind of thing when
they'll surface and send some 

1975
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:12,640
guys into a nearby time town to 
like harass enemy supply lines 

1976
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,800
and stuff. 
But this movie be better with 

1977
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,240
Doctor Jack Ryan. 
Doctor Jack Ryan on a submarine 

1978
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:22,040
before and it went pretty. 
Well, I did go pretty well. 

1979
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,280
I did go pretty well. 
It did go well, but I find it 

1980
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:29,480
hard to imagine in this 
particular case start I would 

1981
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:33,440
fit in there somehow. 
Yeah, his special skill is his 

1982
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:35,680
knowledge of Ramius's psyche, 
isn't he? 

1983
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,080
His special skill is that he 
knows to mention his wife at the

1984
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,280
right time. 
Yeah, I don't think that comes 

1985
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:41,560
completely handy when she 
happened. 

1986
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:43,520
I think if he mentions Gene 
Hacker's wife, he'd be like, 

1987
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:47,360
well, she did just divorce me 
because I'm just too, too 

1988
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:51,000
irritating a submarine 
commander, so get out of my 

1989
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,840
control room. 
He. 

1990
01:42:55,040 --> 01:43:01,280
Would be like, you know, that 
guy in 22 like young officer who

1991
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,960
was like wife is just like 
terminally horned up and he just

1992
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,480
said completely like disregards 
and he like tells her, Oh, I 

1993
01:43:07,480 --> 01:43:10,640
need you like practise marching 
around the room and she's like 

1994
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,240
naked. 
He's like no clothes. 

1995
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:15,360
He'd feel like that. 
He'd be. 

1996
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,080
He'd be really difficult, I 
think. 

1997
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:19,960
Well, this movie better. 
We've talked to Richard Kimball,

1998
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:22,400
Doctor. 
Richard Kimble wouldn't have let

1999
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:25,760
that guy die, right? 
That was some pretty, that was 

2000
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,280
some pretty weak ass sepia that 
was being done. 

2001
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:32,080
You know some. 
Diabolical First Doctor Richard.

2002
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:36,000
Yeah, Kimball would have been 
like full on breaking that 

2003
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:40,040
sternum sepia and he'd have 
dragged that guy back from the 

2004
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,680
great beyond. 
And it would have been been a 

2005
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:47,040
good win for a Chuck killer. 
That guy, that guy pipes the 

2006
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:50,160
casualties name over main 
broadcast and says he's dying 

2007
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:55,280
and and everyone else in the 
boat can hear that yeah, that's 

2008
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:59,120
pretty bad. 
That's against my hippo law, I. 

2009
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:03,320
Was going to say on the one MC 
we're going to do a HIPAA 

2010
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:09,240
violation at 3/2. 
With this movie, you've been 

2011
01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:10,800
better with President James 
Marshall. 

2012
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,520
Get off my plane. 
President James Marshall would 

2013
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,520
have gone over from four of 
those Russian separatists 

2014
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,080
himself. 
There'd be no need for nukes. 

2015
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:20,000
He would have parachuted into 
Russia and punched that guy out,

2016
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,320
bang in the face and then that's
it called off. 

2017
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:28,360
You would have you would have 
gone in there Jason Alexander 

2018
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:32,200
playing a guy who knew the 
Russian separatist leader from 

2019
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:36,640
work and and he just like, oh, 
here I wanted to go shit managed

2020
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:40,720
back psych and he just bang them
out kick his. 

2021
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,680
Ass Is there a role for Peter 
Falk? 

2022
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,240
There's a weird little guy in 
this movie. 

2023
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:49,720
Fantasyland. 
I could see him as as like the 

2024
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:53,200
comms guy. 
Yeah, yeah, he's got, he's got 

2025
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:57,280
big WE WE energy. 
Just one more question, are we 

2026
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:02,000
sure the signal is complete? 
Unfortunately, I don't think, 

2027
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:06,080
yeah, just one more question. 
Like mid fantasy land. 

2028
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,040
It would be at least funny if he
played like the Captain, but 

2029
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,760
that would totally destroy the 
film. 

2030
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,800
It would make it dash, but it 
would be kind of funny. 

2031
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,680
Just saying Peter Fault punching
Denzel Washington in the face 

2032
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,480
just because I'd like to see 
Peter Fault beaten someone up by

2033
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:21,680
trying to. 
But no. 

2034
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:26,080
Yeah, Sandy has got a spot on. 
He'd be classed as like comms 

2035
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,440
guy who's, you know, the end of 
his career. 

2036
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:30,960
He's just happy being a radio 
specialist. 

2037
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,040
He'd get that thing online in 
like 5 minutes. 

2038
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:38,280
You could do, yeah, He could be 
a really solid Petty Officer or 

2039
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,680
he could be chief of the boat, a
chain smoking chief of the boat,

2040
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:46,400
Yes, just like he's doing some 
piss off a fucking chief officer

2041
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,800
or officer officer folk. 
He's got a flash on him. 

2042
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:50,760
He's got a big flash on him. 
You. 

2043
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:54,600
Know he knows how both are 
Subman films we've watched. 

2044
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:57,960
I was being a chunky fella in 
both of them, right? 

2045
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:00,560
It's a weird truth they're 
developing. 

2046
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,080
Yeah, yeah. 
It's weird truth. 

2047
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,960
It's like, it's like it's big 
boy season. 

2048
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:10,240
We've got to get a fucking huge 
chip for the boat, yeah. 

2049
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,360
Chang goes off the. 
Boat Yeah, this is a good movie 

2050
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,160
for Lieutenant Commander Samuel 
L Jackson, U.S. 

2051
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,040
Navy. 
Yes, he's he would be good in 

2052
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:19,800
this. 
He would. 

2053
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:21,960
I think he would be one of the 
other officers that I think 

2054
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:25,720
would have backed up Denzel, 
just not, not not on racial 

2055
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:27,680
lines just because he's he's got
a head on his shoulders. 

2056
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,200
He's also, and he would have it 
would have quelled tensions a 

2057
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:32,600
bit more because I think he's 
got quite a direct word of 

2058
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,680
command. 
Like, no one's launching a 

2059
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:37,040
missile until I see a damn 
thing. 

2060
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,720
I don't know, Like, something 
like that, I guess. 

2061
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:40,240
Yeah. 
Like, imagine raising his voice.

2062
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:42,080
Never be like. 
Well, yeah. 

2063
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,240
Through Jeffrey Rice, Jeffrey 
Wright could be in this movie as

2064
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:46,960
well. 
Jeffrey Wright also could have 

2065
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,920
played a slightly less cliche 
chief of the boat as well. 

2066
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:53,240
Yeah, he definitely could. 
This He could be one of your 

2067
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,200
super brainiac senior rates who 
doesn't want to become an 

2068
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:57,880
officer, but you can. 
But they've got a brain on the 

2069
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,680
sides of a planet. 
That's a good. 

2070
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:00,960
I like that. 
I like that one. 

2071
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,040
That's cool. 
It's very believed. 

2072
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:08,760
This movie is not Prue or anti 
CIA completely absent score 

2073
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,560
unchanged. 
So I guess it just leaves me to 

2074
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,880
ask you guys, what's what's, 
what's your Ding Chavez award 

2075
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:15,200
for missed opportunity in the 
movie Chinese? 

2076
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:21,240
Did this film miss in there? 
The only one I can think of, and

2077
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:22,840
I'll see you. 
I want to get your take on this 

2078
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:27,080
Weps Vigo Mortensen's rule seems
a little bit unresolved. 

2079
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:29,400
Yeah. 
So he was stuck in a rock and a 

2080
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:32,880
hard place between the 
overwhelming pressure at good 

2081
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:36,880
point to to back the captain. 
He also had a personal 

2082
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,840
friendship with Denzel, which 
you see at the beginning of the 

2083
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:41,840
movie when he's at his kids 
birthday party. 

2084
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:43,040
So they've got they've got 
history. 

2085
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,240
They've served together before 
and he's stuck between that 

2086
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:47,600
loyalty versus friendship. 
What I and it was kind of left 

2087
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,360
hanging what I would like to 
have seen the boy. 

2088
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,400
There probably wasn't room for 
it in the movie, but another and

2089
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,440
also because like that gap 
between missions aborted and 

2090
01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:59,320
then meeting with Abra Robards, 
clearly months worth of 

2091
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,120
investigation is taking place in
between, right? 

2092
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:04,160
So it wouldn't have made sense 
for them to then bump into Viggo

2093
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:06,840
Monson because they've obviously
been separated off presumably 

2094
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,400
both Ramsey and Hunter off doing
like hold of a job somewhere 

2095
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,320
else in the meantime kind of 
thing. 

2096
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,240
If you were trying to think 
about it like too lit feel like 

2097
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:18,520
I am and ruin the fun. 
But what should have happened, 

2098
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:23,160
right, is maybe is another scene
between Denzel and Webs where 

2099
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,800
they kind of go, look, I 
understand, like, why you did 

2100
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,680
what you had to do. 
But maybe he's still a little 

2101
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:29,360
bit pissed off. 
And he's like, but now I have 

2102
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,920
seen your true colours, and 
you're not the man I thought 

2103
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,080
you'd be in a crisis kind of 
thing. 

2104
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:37,240
Yeah. 
And then maybe, like, maybe he 

2105
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:39,600
tries to apologise to Hunter. 
And maybe Hunter doesn't 

2106
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,560
necessarily accept it as 
graciously as he could have done

2107
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,480
because actually, you know, when
it, when the shit really hit the

2108
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:46,640
fan, he kind of let me down. 
Yeah. 

2109
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:48,320
And that friendship is forever 
altered. 

2110
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:50,920
You know, just my thought. 
Yeah, the opportunity flag. 

2111
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:55,440
Gene Hackman punch in the face 
another three or four times. 

2112
01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:00,680
Just a totally, totally, totally
underlined how much of A badass 

2113
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:04,600
Denzel Washington is. 
It's like an extended scene when

2114
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:08,880
like, the Captain totally 
destroys his own respect from a 

2115
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,680
man by just punching Denzel 
Washington again and again and 

2116
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,400
again until he becomes like 
really tired. 

2117
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,280
It becomes really tired and 
that's awesome. 

2118
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:21,720
And he just bangs him out and 
won because he's been in 

2119
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:23,040
training for a hurricane this 
whole time. 

2120
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:26,240
Yes. 
Ah, the old rope, a dope. 

2121
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,640
The old rope dope, Well it's 
stricken the book. 

2122
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:33,520
You let your line about a shot, 
knock the shit out your face 

2123
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:36,480
until he tyres himself out and 
then he just three up 1. 

2124
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,680
Go guys. 
Since this is our 10th episode, 

2125
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,800
I thought it'd be fun to play a 
special game that I created. 

2126
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:49,640
Are you guys up for a little 
game I made called You Don't 

2127
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:51,440
know Jack I've. 
Got bad news for you? 

2128
01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:53,200
The CIA did not invent crack, 
OK? 

2129
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,560
Yes, always, always up for 
these, for these games and 

2130
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:03,920
frolics. 
Gentlemen, we all know that St 

2131
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,880
Tom of Clancy has gifted us at 
the great statesman or assistant

2132
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:11,320
spy, Jack Ryan. 
He himself has been portrayed on

2133
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,600
the silver screen by many 
actors, not least of all Alec 

2134
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:17,880
Baldwin. 
And Alec Baldwin, he may not be 

2135
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,640
the most definitive Jack Ryan. 
That title, I believe, is held 

2136
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,280
by Harrison Ford. 
Some believe Chris Pine, but he 

2137
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:28,160
is the definitive John Francis. 
Jack Donaghy, the vice president

2138
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:30,400
of East Coast television and 
microwave oven programming for 

2139
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:34,040
General Electric in the TV 
series 30 Rock by Tina Fey. 

2140
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,360
So, gentlemen, if you'd like to 
join me, what I'm going to do 

2141
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:40,000
now is read to you some partial 
quotes from the work of Saint 

2142
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,920
Tom of Clancy and from Saint 
Tina of Fey. 

2143
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:47,600
I want you to tell me where they
come from and we'll see if you 

2144
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,960
really don't know Jack. 
Amazing. 

2145
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,120
I'm going to start with an easy 
one. 

2146
01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:54,280
I'm going to need you guys to 
keep score because I'm probably 

2147
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,440
going to forget. 
And also for everyone I get 

2148
01:50:56,440 --> 01:50:58,600
wrong that you guessed 
correctly, I'm going to take a 

2149
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:06,920
shot of this this ginger root. 
Experience speed. 

2150
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:10,240
OK cool. 
First one is no one has ever won

2151
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:19,200
a land war in Russia. 
Thank you, Rock. 

2152
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:21,880
Damn it, you're all right. 
Hang on. 

2153
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,440
The full quote. 
The full quote is no one has 

2154
01:51:24,440 --> 01:51:27,400
ever won a land one Russia. 
Not Napoleon, not Hitler, and 

2155
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,200
not Balki in the only 9th season
of Perfect Strangers. 

2156
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:39,840
Take it all So hot. 
OK, second, second one to Roy. 

2157
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,760
You're correct. 
I didn't even give it Sonia a 

2158
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,880
chance to guess because you 
defeat too quickly. 

2159
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:49,080
That was a practise, right? 
Awesome. 

2160
01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:54,360
Right. 
The next one is the CIA captured

2161
01:51:54,360 --> 01:52:04,000
a North Korean spy. 
The CIA captured a North Korean 

2162
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:05,360
spy. 
Jack Ryan. 

2163
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,760
No, Sonia, yeah. 
I'm going to go with Jack Ryan. 

2164
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:13,960
It is Jack Donaghy in season 6 
episode 20 and 30 Rock. 

2165
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:17,560
The full quote is the CIA 
captured a North Korean spy so 

2166
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:19,880
we were able to arrange a 
prisoner swap next week in 

2167
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,160
exchange for my wife. 
They get their spy back. 

2168
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:24,080
The creative Hollister 
sweatshirts and a signed 

2169
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:29,960
headshot of Don Johnson. 
Loan would like destabilise 

2170
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,080
North Korea though. 
OK, here we go. 

2171
01:52:32,920 --> 01:52:37,840
Third one, what the government 
is good for is collecting taxes.

2172
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:46,000
I'm. 
Not sure I'm I'm giving that to 

2173
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,960
Jack Ryan, given that Jack Ryan 
at some point elects to become 

2174
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:50,880
the government. 
That's correct. 

2175
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,880
It is a Tom Clancy in person 
quote. 

2176
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:56,720
The full quote is what the 
government is good for is 

2177
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,680
collecting taxes, taking away 
your freedoms and killing 

2178
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,320
people. 
It's not good at much else and 

2179
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:06,800
and that is Tom Clancy on Kudlu 
and Kramer 2003 financial show 

2180
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:10,280
on ITV America. 
Hold up his writing. 

2181
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:13,960
Is this fire or grave? 
Couldn't have before. 

2182
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:17,280
If you want to kick a tiger in 
his ass dot dot dot. 

2183
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:20,800
If you want to kick a tiger in 
his ass, dot dot dot. 

2184
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:27,120
I'm going to say I'm going to 
let Sanny a go first. 

2185
01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:29,360
Actually throwing Sanny into the
breach. 

2186
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,320
He's the full on hope this time.
As really tricky without Folk Rd

2187
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:38,600
because it could turn on into a 
full on weird Jake Ryan and all 

2188
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:41,360
the being made and some 
discussion. 

2189
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:42,480
I'm going to go with Jack Ryan, 
you. 

2190
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,080
Say Jack Ryan. 
OK. 

2191
01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:48,680
It is Jack Ryan. 
It's If you want to kick a tiger

2192
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:51,320
in his ass, you better have a 
plan for dealing with his teeth 

2193
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:53,840
from the teeth of the tiger. 
Which is the first? 

2194
01:54:00,760 --> 01:54:03,600
Which is It's the first Jack 
Ryan junior novel. 

2195
01:54:06,440 --> 01:54:08,960
OK. 
Next one, I'm calling up 

2196
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:14,120
Operation Righteous. 
That's got to be Jack Donaghy, 

2197
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:17,640
man, don't you? 
Yeah. 

2198
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,280
You're right. 
It is Jack Donahue. 

2199
01:54:20,440 --> 01:54:23,600
The full quote is, I'm calling 
it Operation Righteous Cowboy 

2200
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:29,480
Lightning. 
OK, number six. 

2201
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:33,040
Now, I've only ever seen this 
kind of thing on dead people 

2202
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:41,280
during Operation Desert Storm. 
Now, I've only ever seen this 

2203
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,840
kind of thing on dead people 
during Operation Desert Storm. 

2204
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:49,080
Not Jack Ryan. 
Don't think it's time. 

2205
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:51,440
OK, I'm. 
Going to go Jack doggy. 

2206
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:53,640
Yeah, it's a rock. 
It's doctor. 

2207
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:55,000
Spa chairman. 
Full quote. 

2208
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:57,040
Now, I've only ever seen this 
kind of thing on dead people 

2209
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:00,000
during Operation Desert Storm. 
I actually wrote a report on it,

2210
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,040
but my commander refused to pass
it up to Saddam. 

2211
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:05,720
Cookie Times. 
That's absolutely brilliant. 

2212
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:09,120
That's it. 
I love it. 

2213
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:14,200
OK #7 you guys are kicking my 
ass here #7 if the first toddler

2214
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:15,840
wears it, it has to be 
fashionable. 

2215
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,560
If the first toddler wears it, 
it has to be fashionable. 

2216
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:24,000
Jack Ryan. 
Hey guys, You're sure, right? 

2217
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:25,840
It's Tom Clancy and executive 
orders. 

2218
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:28,640
Man, I was hoping you'd go for 
like a Jenna Maroney there in 30

2219
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:30,120
Rock. 
Now, man, it's just because 

2220
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:33,160
obviously with me, like reading,
reading the Bear and the dragon,

2221
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:37,080
like it like leans into the lot 
of our Jack Ryan family, man, 

2222
01:55:37,080 --> 01:55:38,920
where are the first children 
kind of thing? 

2223
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:42,480
OK, but on that subject #8 just 
can't wait to take this sexual 

2224
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:46,320
energy back to Kathy. 
Just can't wait to take the 

2225
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:53,680
sexual energy back to Kathy. 
Danny, do you want to lead this 

2226
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:55,480
one? 
What are the many wives of Jack 

2227
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:58,040
Ryan? 
One is called Kathy. 

2228
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:02,800
Yeah, that's why. 
I'm willing to risk it are. 

2229
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:07,760
You going Jack Ryan? 
I'm going Jack Donaghy. 

2230
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:10,560
Rory gets it. 
Okay, so it's. 

2231
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,400
Ryan doesn't talk about sex. 
He's Catholic. 

2232
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:15,880
He thinks we have things about 
sex. 

2233
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:20,080
Correct, it's Devon. 
It's Devon Banks, the character 

2234
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,680
played by Will Arnett in season 
2 of 30 Rock. 

2235
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:25,280
Full quote. 
Jack is enjoying the party. 

2236
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:26,560
Devon. 
How could it not be? 

2237
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,640
Can't wait to bring the sexual 
energy back to Cathy. 

2238
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:30,600
Jack. 
Devon, don't do this. 

2239
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:32,480
It may not be worth it. 
Devon Why not? 

2240
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:34,920
We're perfect for each other. 
She loves, she loves that I work

2241
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:37,720
out loud and talk to people, and
I love how she enjoys crawling 

2242
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:40,080
into cabinets and vents and 
other enclosed spaces, like 

2243
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:44,720
behind the dryer for instance #9
that child is better off in 

2244
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:48,400
Somalia. 
Jesus, I'm going to let Sonia go

2245
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:50,680
on this one. 
I'm just casually drinking the 

2246
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:52,120
ginger right now because I'm 
getting so many wrong. 

2247
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:55,840
Broken. 
Yeah, you're just, you're just 

2248
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:59,320
like choosing to experience 
beige without the big Klingon 

2249
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:02,920
guy shouting experience beige at
you experience beige. 

2250
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:04,640
That child is better off in 
Somalia. 

2251
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:05,800
Sonia what? 
Say not. 

2252
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:09,120
As the same energy as that 
doesn't storm cold. 

2253
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:10,680
You're saying, you're saying 
play rock. 

2254
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,840
I have to. 
Saying Jack Ryan, but from one 

2255
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,760
of the young Jack Ryan books. 
Well, Sonya's got it. 

2256
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:21,200
Yeah, I. 
Don't have any noxious to drink,

2257
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:22,680
I'm sorry. 
Full, full, full. 

2258
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:25,880
Quote is oh God don't adopt that
child is better off in Somalia. 

2259
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,960
It could be a pirate or a 
warlords concubine it. 

2260
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:32,400
Could be errant. 
Liz Leonard and two Jenna maroni

2261
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:36,120
#10 no sense spooking him. 
We wait for him to come in nice 

2262
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,800
and close while we do our famous
imitation of a hole in water. 

2263
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:49,680
Sonya. 
Famous invitation. 

2264
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:50,520
Fucking idea. 
It's. 

2265
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:52,800
Gotta be, it's gotta be. 
Yeah. 

2266
01:57:55,160 --> 01:57:57,400
You're right, it's captain to 
Beloved in the hunt for October.

2267
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:01,040
That's a really easy one. 
Next 1 #11 There are only two 

2268
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,120
ways we are beaten, we die or we
give up. 

2269
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:10,560
And I'm not giving up. 
I'm gonna go Jack Donaghy with 

2270
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:12,640
that one. 
Sounds a bit too strong. 

2271
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:16,040
Yeah, Tom, the noise isn't it 
for war Draggy. 

2272
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:20,040
It's not elaborate enough. 
It's a little bit too strong for

2273
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:24,160
Jack Ryan, but it is Tom Clancy.
It's a John Clark novel. 

2274
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:33,280
Against all enemies. 
Yeah, about #12 The design 

2275
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:36,320
forces the sitter into what the 
Israeli military call is stress 

2276
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:38,800
position. 
That's just whoever made my new 

2277
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:44,520
disc. 
The design forces the sitter 

2278
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:47,320
into what the Israeli military 
call is stress position. 

2279
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:52,200
Yeah, it is. 
Full quote is Liz Lemon says 

2280
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:54,920
that's a bad couch, Jack. 
And he says it is unfortunate 

2281
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:57,040
the design forces to sit into 
what there's really military 

2282
01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:59,320
call a stress position. 
It cuts off circulation to the 

2283
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:01,600
legs, while some are simply 
spreading out the rib cage, 

2284
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:05,080
making it difficult to breathe. 
You say if it was a true Jack 

2285
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:07,640
Ryan quote it would have always 
been included like the Hebrew 

2286
01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:10,000
translation of of Stress 
Position. 

2287
01:59:11,480 --> 01:59:15,160
It's the extra extra techno 
thriller granularity and detail.

2288
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:17,760
Right, Final one. 
I don't know who's winning 

2289
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:22,880
anymore. 
I know I'm losing final one. 

2290
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:26,240
Son of a bitch. 
Both. 

2291
01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,320
Oh, it's one or the other. 
One or the other. 

2292
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:33,200
Geez, Sonia, I'll let you take a
lead on this one, man, since my 

2293
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:35,680
gambit failed when I thought 
there was. 

2294
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:36,880
Oh, it's both. 
It's both. 

2295
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,240
Frick at the end of it, you're 
upsetting. 

2296
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,440
Something Jack Ryan might say in
non Florida October like in the 

2297
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,080
book version. 
Yeah, you go for Jack Ryan. 

2298
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:48,040
Yeah, it's Jack Donaghy, he 
says. 

2299
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:49,000
Son of a bitch. 
Banks. 

2300
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:51,720
What brings you to New York? 
Drawn to the phonic nature of 

2301
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:53,880
our skyline, You're probably 
thinking of the quote. 

2302
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,640
You son of a bitch. 
You son of a bitch from Hunt for

2303
01:59:56,640 --> 02:00:02,400
October. 
Got you on a technicality. 

2304
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:06,000
Just rise on technicalities. 
Technically correct. 

2305
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,720
The best. 
Case correct, because then a 

2306
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:10,000
quote, my friend, like an 
investigation. 

2307
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:13,200
Details matter. 
Yes, Rachel. 

2308
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,720
I've got bad news for you. 
The CIA did not even crack. 

2309
02:00:23,320 --> 02:00:27,520
OK, God, cool. 
Well, thank you very much for 

2310
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:30,000
playing You Don't Know Jack 
where you proved that actually 

2311
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:32,160
you do know Jack pretty well, 
guys. 

2312
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:37,600
So congratulations, I guess. 
Or what is left to say is that 

2313
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:40,920
we've come, sadly once again to 
the end of another episode of 

2314
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:43,760
Clear and Present Dudes, the 
10th episode of Clear and 

2315
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:45,480
Present Dudes. 
That's right. 

2316
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:50,440
If you enjoyed this episode, 
then please leave a comment or a

2317
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:53,040
like on Apple podcasts. 
Send an e-mail please to 

2318
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:57,280
clearandpresentdudes@gmail.com 
if you have any suggestions or 

2319
02:00:57,280 --> 02:01:00,560
any comments you'd like to make.
And yeah guys, what movie are we

2320
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:02,520
doing next? 
Whose choices are next? 

2321
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:03,440
Is it yours? 
Yours. 

2322
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:03,880
Rory? 
It's. 

2323
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:04,560
Amazing. 
Well. 

2324
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:09,920
I think that'd be yours, yeah. 
Well, in that case, we are 

2325
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,960
sticking with someone who's 
played one of the jacks, Ryan. 

2326
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:16,720
We are moving away from the US 
military, but I think the US 

2327
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:19,480
government is involved. 
We're going to do a film that I 

2328
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:23,680
last watched when I was being 
evacuated from Iceland when the 

2329
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:25,640
volcano went off. 
We're going to watch 

2330
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:30,320
Unstoppable, the Chris Payne 
runaway train disaster thriller.

2331
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:35,120
Oh, I've never seen that. 
I haven't seen that one in quite

2332
02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:38,160
a while. 
Yeah, buddy the last time I saw 

2333
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:43,080
that I was on like an A pretty 
old airliner flying out of 

2334
02:01:43,120 --> 02:01:46,080
Iceland after airline traffic 
had been stopped because the 

2335
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:55,920
explosion from the vault and and
the decided that to troll were 

2336
02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:59,960
like this wasn't an airliner 
that had like seat back consoles

2337
02:01:59,960 --> 02:02:02,960
and stuff. 
There was 1 little TV towards 

2338
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:06,760
like the cockpit and they 
literally put on this like 

2339
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:10,440
really washed out faded colour 
pirate looking VHS of 

2340
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:15,040
Unstoppable, a disaster movie as
we're flying away from the 

2341
02:02:15,160 --> 02:02:19,280
country with an exploding 
volcano on a really beaten up 

2342
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:22,040
old bone and it was like you're 
trolling us all. 

2343
02:02:22,040 --> 02:02:25,240
So yes, we're doing Unstoppable.
That's brilliant. 

2344
02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:26,800
Hey, I'll tell you what. 
I really like Chris Pine. 

2345
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,760
Actually, I know we talked a 
little bit smack about he's not 

2346
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:31,200
maybe, maybe he's not the 
definite of Jack Ryan, but I 

2347
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:33,920
really loved him in Attentions 
of Dragons or Among Thieves 

2348
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:35,280
recently. 
He's a very charismatic 

2349
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:37,800
individual, very good actor. 
So yeah, looking forward to 

2350
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:38,240
that. 
It should. 

2351
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,280
Be good. 
Would like to to take one step 

2352
02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:44,480
ahead for the next episode and 
answer your usual question. 

2353
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:47,560
Mike, how would this have gone 
down in Germany? 

2354
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:51,680
No train. 
No train. 

2355
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:56,480
All that is left for us to say 
then, guys, is we've been no 

2356
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:57,640
bits. 
Clear. 

2357
02:02:57,640 --> 02:03:02,280
And present. 
Almost, almost got it. 

2358
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:04,720
Almost got it. 
Yeah.