1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:07,040 Mr Deans represents a clear and present danger to the national 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,200 security of the United States. You have. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,280 No idea. What men of power can do. 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,880 Welcome back to Clear and Present Dudes Season 2 Episode 5 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,120 2. Thank you for joining us. 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,320 Today we're going to talk about the 1986 crime thriller movie 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,840 Manhunter, directed by Michael Mann. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,640 Written screenplay by Michael Mann, based on the novel by 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,240 Thomas Harris, Red Dragon. I am Michael Barn. 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,080 I'm joined by Rory O'Toole. Hello. 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,960 And Sonia Bjorkson, who has come back to us. 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,600 Yes, he's back. I apologise for being absent 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,840 without leave. I I I request a gun and one 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,960 bullet. 5 minutes alone that a muffled gunshot is heard all the 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,560 way from Germany. And once again, he hit the 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,160 floor. We don't talk about that. 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,960 Negligent discharge has never happened. 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,280 Surely got low, low, low, right? Gentlemen, we are. 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,640 This is the second and final of Michael Mannry 2026. 20 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,800 Guys, we selected these movies by doing a vote in our in our 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,800 WhatsApp group and just a peep behind the curtain there. 22 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:15,680 What made you choose Manhunt Dead Royo 2? 23 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,080 I know you're very passionate about this film. 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,760 What didn't make me choose my The visuals alone are incredibly 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,120 striking. This is one of those films you 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:28,000 could like, just stick on while listening to just the duppest, 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,440 weedenest, greenest kind of music and have a cinematic 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,840 experience. The performance of of Francis 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,280 Dollarhyde is iconic. He he, he, he is truly one of 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,000 the greatest movie killers. I think in in in this film. 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,000 There's just something about the character Dolla Hyde and how 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,440 he's shown this film is amazing. The way in this film skates so 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,320 close to being an American jello film and sometimes does indeed. 34 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,680 And that kind of like in in its own way. 35 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,400 That's not like a straight up Jello film, much like it's also 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,760 not a straight up detective thrower at neatly. 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,160 Dodge has passed a lot of the tropes he'd expect to sing in 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,320 it. It's got so much on Michael 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:11,000 Mann's pared down yet also full when it needs to be. 40 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,960 Rich 1 needs to be storytelling and has his driving sense of 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,760 immediacy and it's just fucking weird. 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,200 That's my kind of film. Thank you Rory. 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,960 It is weird. That is probably the the one 44 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,320 word I would use to describe this movie and I'm trying to 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,640 imagine what it must have been like to be cinema Go in 1986. 46 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Who the the the book was a sensation. 47 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,560 So the book Red Dragon is the first Thomas Harris novel that 48 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:40,160 features Hannibal Lecter. Obviously he would get much more 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,160 success and fame and infamy and all that kind of good stuff from 50 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,480 91's The Silence of the Lambs, where the role of Lecter would 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,280 be like immortalised by Anthony Hopkins. 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,080 It was going to win like 5 Oscars and the Hopkins got an 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Oscar himself for being in like 14 minutes of the film, you 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,560 know, crazy. So yeah, like in terms of like 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,040 iconic performances and that. But this movie, 1986 Red Dragon 56 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,400 didn't get to be called Red Dragon. 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,680 They changed the name of the movie A-Team to Orientis. 58 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,440 The producer changed the name of the the movie because he thought 59 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,760 it was a bad woman, because another movie from the air prior 60 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,880 called The Air of the Dragon did really badly. 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,000 And then, spoiler alert, this also did really badly in the box 62 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:16,920 office. So weird. 63 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:18,440 It didn't didn't work. Didn't try that. 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,680 Yeah. But yeah, like you say, man, 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,040 this movie is so strange. And when I was watching it, I 66 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,480 watched it again yesterday in preparation for this. 67 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,920 And I thought, like, man, this movie is cooked out. 68 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:34,240 I think a big bit of context for this is that this movie came out 69 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,080 and was presumably shot and probably written by man around 70 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,280 the same sort of time period as Miami Vice was just taken off. 71 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,600 So what you get is like a grittier kind of like more 72 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,880 fluorescent, like less cool. There's no like MTV Sheen about 73 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,880 it. There's no like, like the music 74 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,120 in it isn't even apart from like one song at the end, which was 75 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,320 in my movie Vice, like the rest of the whole movie is just like 76 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,160 this grimier, more horrible, gross, degenerate version of 77 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,640 like what Mommy Vice was doing. Sonia, what was your like 78 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,720 initial impressions of? I think weird is probably the 79 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,320 word to go with really. So visually very very calm. 80 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:18,000 Sometimes, though in a in a rather anxiety inducing whey, it 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,320 was not quite as grim as I had expected it to be going off off 82 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,600 the description I'd read beforehand. 83 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,400 But in other places it was way weirder than I had anticipated 84 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,920 as well. Felt felt a bit weird and didn't 85 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,160 really have a sense of of time while watching it as well. 86 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,000 So I just just was casually watching the film and then I 87 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:46,480 paused for a minute and noticed that it's already been like it 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,160 had already been going for over an hour and didn't feel like 89 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,440 that. I was like, wow, when did that 90 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,360 happen? So yeah, you could you, it felt 91 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,800 like something you could could lose yourself in. 92 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,400 And, and what really weirded me out was that sort of shift in 93 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:07,680 between when it suddenly takes the the killer's perspective and 94 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:13,360 then it suddenly turns into not into a thriller, but like into a 95 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,760 sort of bit of an action film from his perspective. 96 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,840 I was a bit weird. I was sort of really, really big 97 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:25,480 change of pace, I felt like. That's a really interesting 98 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,880 point actually. Yeah, I think that's AI. 99 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,480 Hadn't really thought about it too much myself until you said 100 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,800 it. That's just got into the Tenant 101 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,360 and the nitty gritty of the movie. 102 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Just to tell all our listeners, all our new listeners, Hopefully 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,680 you'll get more new listeners every episode that this is a 104 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,280 spoiler cast. So we are going to, so we are 105 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:42,440 going to ruin this film for you. If you've not seen it, there's 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,440 no time to watch it. We'll be here in two hours time. 107 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,280 We'll go nowhere. Right. 108 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,840 So the movie opens with Will Graham, who is a former FBI 109 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:55,000 criminal profiler and who's retired, and he spends his time 110 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,560 now at a lovely house on the beach somewhere in Florida with 111 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,440 his young family, raising turtles and. 112 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,320 And wearing really, really slutty shorts. 113 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,200 Yeah, yeah. And it's all nice and tan and 114 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,520 he's living the high life and he's got this awesome, like 5:00 115 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,200 shadow going on. And then he sees the last thing 116 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,280 he wanted to see in the world probably, which is Dennis Farina 117 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,880 in a fall suit on the beach bearing down on him. 118 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:20,800 It's. Going to be a good fucking 119 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,760 weekend, dude. Dennis Farina turns up and he's 120 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,120 like, hey, I'm going to tell you some cop stories from when I was 121 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,400 a literal detective for fucking 18 years, and then I'm going to 122 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:29,760 be an actor. What a guy. 123 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,400 What a dude. A match, a night out with Dennis 124 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Farina, man. Incredible scenes. 125 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,520 Yeah. I love Dennis Farina. 126 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,200 Perfectly cast. So that Dennis Farina is Jack 127 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,120 Crawford, his FBI superior who worked with him on the previous 128 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,160 cases. And he's here to do the whole 129 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,560 we've got you for one last job, we need to get you one more job 130 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,160 at that classic scene and it starts to straight into it. 131 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,240 So it's great. So Will Grimm is the sitting on 132 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,800 a log on, looking out at the Sea, and Jack Crawford explains 133 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,640 to him that there's been two families that have been brutally 134 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,680 murdered in different cities around America. 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 But the MO is the same. And this guy is on a lunar 136 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,280 cycle. So they've got about a month 137 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:07,160 until the guy's expected to hit again. 138 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,600 Will Graham is needed. He's the best FBI profiler in 139 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,800 the game. But it's implied very much that 140 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,160 the last case that Will Graham was on kind of broke him. 141 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,840 And it is true. So the last case he had was 142 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,760 capturing a man called Hannibal Lecter. 143 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,400 I don't know why, but in the credits of this movie, they 144 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,720 spell it with AK in TUR like Lecter, which is weird. 145 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,320 But anyway. But this case could because he 146 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,640 gets so deeply into the minds of of his quarry, he comes a little 147 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,520 bit crazy himself. And at the end of the Lecter 148 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,960 case, he was not only physically assaulted at the time in the 149 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,760 hospital, he also had some PTSD going off the back of that. 150 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,520 And he's been in therapy and stuff since and trying to get 151 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,840 his life back on track. And then here comes Dennis Runa 152 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,440 going to drag you back in and get yourself into the mind of 153 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,360 yet another crazy guy because you're the only guy who can do 154 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,280 it. He kind of plays like a guilt 155 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,040 card, hands on hands on these photographs of the families. 156 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Yeah, and grammes like go do it because I've got a young family 157 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,960 and this is a young family. He's like, he has some shock 158 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,000 images. It's like, welcome, welcome, 159 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,800 welcome to browsing R slash combat footage in the year 2026. 160 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,520 Basically, it's like, check me out. 161 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,880 I'm your offline version of liveleak.com. 162 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Indeed. Well, Graham goes to speak to 163 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,240 his wife Kim, Greased or griced as the actress. 164 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:25,760 I haven't seen her in much stuff. 165 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,160 She's the only things I've seen her in apart from this is the 166 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,640 movie Brazil she killed the year before, where she plays in that 167 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,120 opposite Jonathan Pryce. And also a 1 episode, 1 episode 168 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,480 of Miami Vice. Then we'll talk about that one 169 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,720 episode of Miami Vice later. But yeah, so he goes to speak to 170 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,440 her. She's obviously like, quite 171 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,000 reasonably quite wary about this whole thing. 172 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,680 Like, all right, isn't this exactly what fucked you up last 173 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:50,280 time kind of thing. And then off, off, off he goes 174 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,080 to the most recent crime scene, which is in Atlanta. 175 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,480 And then you kind of start to see his initial process. 176 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,960 So the next scene, I guess, is where he's he's in the car with 177 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:01,640 like one of the other cops and they put up to the house and 178 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:02,960 he's like, do you want me to go in with you? 179 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,200 And he's like, no. And enhancement the envelope of 180 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,440 like pictures and notes and stuff from when the scene was 181 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,080 initially found. And he just sets himself up in 182 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,560 there and he's like walking around the place. 183 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:12,600 And you see him have this really long sequence which like putting 184 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,680 it all together. Yeah, he's kind of nervating it 185 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,080 to himself kind of thing. Yeah. 186 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,320 So obviously I'll I'll watch this with with, with my wife 187 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,400 Emma, who got me into the Hannibal TV show. 188 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,680 And I don't know if you guys have seen Hannibal, but there's 189 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,320 this the kind of show Will Graham's ability to kind of like 190 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,520 recreate scenes in his head by he walks into a room and then 191 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,640 like the screen kind of like cross fades over how it happened 192 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,920 at the time. And like, he sees like all, all, 193 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,000 all like the dead bodies and stuff and he sees a collector 194 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:44,240 and it's incredibly and it's incredibly lurid and graphic and 195 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,800 it's really fucking cool. And I'm pretty sure I heard I 196 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,600 quietly say this is my design as he was like looking at stuff 197 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,720 because that's his big kind of tagline from the show when he 198 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,800 starts like tripping balls and saying stuff. 199 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,240 It's really good how it's handled in both that show and 200 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,360 this film's handled in very different ways, I think. 201 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,800 And again, it's just this very kind of slow paced, methodical 202 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:09,080 work by him that seems a cross between insight and insanity. 203 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:14,320 Like, you know what I mean? Like the film doesn't do a lot 204 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,320 of storytelling and how we kind of has this massive insight into 205 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,880 the mains, but it already feels like it's a burden on them. 206 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,440 And I think that's really cool. Yeah, it doesn't. 207 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,120 I think because of the narrative economy of it, it doesn't really 208 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,880 seem considering lots of different versions of what's 209 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,320 going on. Yeah, absolutely. 210 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,560 Like, it isn't it isn't brainstorm possible reasons for 211 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:38,960 like why the the tooth theory is what everyone's calling the 212 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,040 murderer has staged the scenes the way he has. 213 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,920 He's just immediately like hones in on what it turns out to be 214 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,400 completely the right answer. He's like, he just like 215 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,240 immediately gets it. Yeah. 216 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,960 Which is crazy. But also shows that that Will 217 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,720 Graham. Yeah, maybe, maybe it's showing 218 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,680 that Will Graham's got this critical insight, or maybe it's 219 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:59,080 showing that Will Graham is also a little bit like Touched as 220 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,320 well. It's almost like you've got to 221 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,000 be a bit of a be a bit of a killer to catch the killer kind 222 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,320 of thing. You look around the scene, the 223 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,200 key, the key bit of information that you've gained from the 224 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,800 scene is that by spotting some traces of talcum powder near the 225 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,560 bodies and noticing there's no other talcum powder in the 226 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:18,800 house, he realises the talcum powder has come from inside the 227 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,160 gloves the girl he's wearing, which means he's taking his 228 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,640 gloves off while he's at the scene. 229 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,480 And he believes that so he can pull people's eyes open, so they 230 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,640 can the dead bodies can watch what he's doing. 231 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Yeah. Which means just give them the 232 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,240 breakthrough of, like, dust the eyes for fingerprints. 233 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,480 Yeah, and then they get a fingerprint from the eye. 234 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,480 And this, this, this sorry, sorry to talk over there. 235 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,960 This moment in the film is one of its deviations, like the kind 236 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,880 of like piercing and tropes of detective thriller or serial 237 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,240 killer film. Because when you think about 238 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:52,160 this is the kind of this is a kind of break in the case that 239 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,480 would come much later in in other sort of films. 240 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,920 This is this is like third act, right? 241 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,240 This is, this is like a third act break in the case kind of 242 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,160 thing when it's like, Oh my God, the call is coming from inside 243 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,160 the house kind of thing, you know? 244 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,600 Yeah, they have a third act break in the case as well. 245 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,000 Yeah. Oh yeah, Yeah, they do. 246 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,400 But it's. But you're right. 247 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,040 Yeah, with the person. It's level of it because it 248 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,760 shows that the resources that they're bringing to bear on this 249 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,080 on on this case are like at the maximum from the very beginning. 250 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Because I guess Wimbledon stepped into it 22 entire family 251 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,240 murders into it already. So he's been brought in kind of 252 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,880 late in the game as kind of like their their ringer and he is 253 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,200 delivering straight away, I guess. 254 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,000 But yeah, you're right. If this has been like a more 255 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,520 standard kind of police procedural movie, if this had 256 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,680 been the first like scene, they wouldn't have found anything 257 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,640 necessarily of anything of any great import, or they would have 258 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,640 found a good redheading that leaves them down like a rabbit 259 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,960 hole. Yeah, and then some random other 260 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,440 guy. And then I said no, no, it's not 261 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,400 me. I've just got a totally 262 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,440 different interest in breaking into people's houses, you know? 263 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,640 Yeah, yeah, something that's like that and then this, this 264 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,160 insight, this kind of like immediate psychological insight 265 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,080 into the into the guy and it being right and then finding a 266 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,080 result on getting that evidence. Yeah, you're right. 267 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,400 That would have happened a bit later in the movie. 268 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,920 Yeah, Yeah. But yeah, you're absolutely 269 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,120 right. So yeah, this happens pretty 270 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,400 early on. You see, like the forensic teams 271 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,480 kick into action. I think what it does do is it 272 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,800 sets out its stall pretty early. If like, this is a movie that's 273 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,520 going to take the the forensic evidence stuff really seriously, 274 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,520 you're going to see it with a type of rigour that you don't 275 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,160 normally see in a Hollywood movie. 276 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,160 You know, you're going to see them talking about things like 277 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,600 handwriting analysis and like, like fingerprinting techniques 278 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,040 and blood splatter, like. Yeah. 279 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,680 The. Analysis and that kind of stuff. 280 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,160 The the microscopy, the use to see what was written in 281 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,960 ballpoint under the redacted part of the toilet paper that 282 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,320 was redacted and felt tippers like that's great. 283 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,920 It's so granular. I've I've I've seen this one 284 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,600 referred to in more than one review as being or having 285 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,600 aspects of competency porn. And I agree with that. 286 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,000 I agree with that. It's probably not a coincidence 287 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,080 that the ultimate criminal competency porn porn TV show CSI 288 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:09,040 we then have like Will Pearson, he plays a game in this as as 289 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,920 it's kind of like figurehead. Very fairpoint one that I. 290 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,760 Didn't even. Would you say that counts as an 291 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,360 OPS room? Yes, I would. 292 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,200 It's like there's bazillion screens in there where we're not 293 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,120 sure whether they have any actual purpose apart from making 294 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,840 it look more technical and interesting, which is usually 295 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,800 what what OPS rooms tend to do in thrillers as well. 296 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,480 Is this our first? This is our first OPS room of 297 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,680 2026. It is our first option in 2026. 298 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,720 Mark it down, Opstrom counter running at 1:00. 299 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,840 So I favourite Opstrom, My favourite Opstrom is still the 300 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,760 unstoppable Opstrom. Yeah, that's a good one. 301 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:55,360 Cool, right? So we now meet a young a very 302 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,040 young Stephen Lang as hacked reporter from the left wing 303 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,040 media. God, God, am liberals coming? 304 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,600 Out here, I'm joking because of region events. 305 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,960 No, but we see Stephen Lang, a really young Stephen Lang 306 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,880 avatars Stephen Lang as as Freddie Lowndes, the the tabloid 307 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,040 reporter who's trying to trying to goad Will Graham into a story 308 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,520 and a quote. And he gets power bombed onto 309 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,160 onto the body of a car, smashing its windscreen. 310 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,560 Such a, such a, such a good scene. 311 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,840 And it's really funny because obviously Freddie Lowndes 312 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,920 appears. Emma was like Oh my God it's 313 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,680 Freddie Lowndes beat He gets power bombed into a car beat 314 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Emma. Not as sexy as in the TV show 315 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:38,960 though. Oh. 316 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,000 Gosh, who played in the TV show? I didn't. 317 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,040 I didn't measure the role in there. 318 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,040 I've never watched Hannibal and I probably should do. 319 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,480 So cool, dude. Like I said, I mean, I keep 320 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,720 banging the drum, but like, Season 3 are so many jello 321 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,960 elements, it's just fucking unreal. 322 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,360 So it's woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 323 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,360 Gender swap role. It's Laura Jean Shorosteki. 324 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,440 That's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 325 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,440 I did have a quick look on this and, and there was that Doctor 326 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,760 Bloom was gender bent as well. Yeah, yeah. 327 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,840 In in in the TV show. Yeah, so good, man, So good. 328 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,480 Cool. Yeah. 329 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,800 So Lang, right. Is is great. 330 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,120 Lang is incredibly good at playing, like, really hateable 331 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,040 characters. I mean, as you see, do you 332 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,240 remember him in? He's almost unrecognisable as 333 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Ike Clanson in Tombstone. Yeah. 334 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,200 Man I've never wanted a character to get like shot in 335 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,480 the head more then I can't sit in Tombstone. 336 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,800 What a fucking weasel he is for that whole movie. 337 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,720 Come back. Absolute dirtbag. 338 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,160 Absolute peace. And he's it's no different here. 339 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,360 I feel a bit bad, but eventually. 340 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,320 But yeah, God, he's so irritating in this. 341 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,120 And that's that's that's a compliment to to steal the line 342 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,680 for how we also smell this, I find really irritated. 343 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,000 The moment is he has and this is probably just fashion at the 344 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,440 time because the mid 80s, but he has these fucking ties, these 345 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,440 like really thin ties that I've got like I've got like a flat 346 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,400 cut at the bottom of them. And he looks like I was like 347 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,840 fucking one of the bullies from like Back to the Future Part 2. 348 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:03,000 Hey, McFly, I'm going to run a hit piece on you. 349 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,640 McFly. I'm going to blog about this so 350 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:06,760 hard. McFly. 351 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,599 He really fucking does. I fucking hate a stupid little 352 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,160 number plate on his car. You didn't catch that? 353 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,760 It's got you. So his number plate's got you. 354 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,400 It's like, yeah. Golfa fucking golfa TCH uniform. 355 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,440 Oh, got me. Because you're a because you're, 356 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,560 because you're a crusading reporter. 357 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,359 You melt. Brilliant. 358 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,440 So immediately after this he goes to Graham goes to see 359 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,720 humble Lecter time out nerd moment here. 360 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,960 So the location of the psychiatric hospital strict 361 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,680 prison that lecture is in is the Atlanta Museum of high Art 362 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,600 external and internal stuff filmed there and to anyone's who 363 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,880 are fans of the medical drama the Resident, which is set in 364 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,440 Atlanta that is the same location that is used for 365 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,000 Chastain Hospital external and internal as well. 366 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,520 There's a yeah, so the the that big sort of long spiral circle 367 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,640 staircase that he's running down or rampway that he's running 368 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,360 down when he when he flees out of elective sound and kind of 369 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:05,880 has a wobbler and runs through the building and gets outside. 370 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,600 Like all of that is that big atrium. 371 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,840 There is is inside the the the art gallery as well or museum. 372 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,480 And then I think I think one of the main characters from the 373 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,960 Resident gets like fatally stabbed in that same area. 374 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,320 Wild. Anyway, spoilers for the 375 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,400 Resident. Spoil us for everything. 376 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,320 It's unreal. We're we're out here. 377 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,480 Australia, the interior of that hospital by the way, was that 378 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,560 scene was running out of there. That felt weird as fuck. 379 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,560 Yeah. Really did right? 380 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,720 That was so so weird. Like because it generally make 381 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,520 made you feel like he was trying to escape from a never ending 382 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,000 labyrinth. Which he is of the mind of the 383 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,320 man at. Some point I was wondering 384 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,440 whether they were really going to make this poor man run down 385 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,160 the entire thing and make us watch it as well. 386 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,560 It's like, OK, we we've got the point now. 387 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,120 There's a lot of stares. Yeah, OK, right. 388 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:00,440 We'll do it in backwards order because we we'll hit it. 389 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,120 So, so he's run out of the, of the office and then you, you 390 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:07,360 have that bit where he's like on that run to walkway, still the 391 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,400 same location and he's leaning with it. 392 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,840 And we get that one shot of just the grass, which is like been 393 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,320 chromatically separated. So you see like the red, 394 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,920 blue-green on the light of the Jew being split across to show 395 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,920 that his vision has gone blurry because he is so worked up. 396 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,760 And then it cuts and then it cuts back to him and it and he's 397 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,800 calmed down and it comes back to the grass and we just see the 398 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,240 Jew on the grass. How weird is that? 399 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,760 Oh not. It's crazy. 400 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:39,680 Yeah, very strange. The film's just like strange use 401 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,360 of like surrealistic, kind of like colour schemes and like 402 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:43,840 stuff like that and like colour grading. 403 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,920 It's a one of the ticks in there. 404 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,960 Is it a giallo or isn't it kind of box? 405 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,360 It definitely uses colour to it's like it's a one to one for 406 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:52,640 different like mental states of of different characters 407 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,320 throughout it. I did see it did do a little bit 408 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,760 of resistance. Dante Espinati is the DP on this 409 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,320 who worked with man a bunch of times. 410 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,920 He did heat previously. He's done a whole bunch of 411 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,480 different stuff including weirdly Ant Man of the Wasp. 412 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,240 But we'll skip, skip, skip that. Weird, weird earth. 413 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,880 I actually did some, did some research on myself the other 414 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,760 night as well. I was like looking so obviously 415 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,680 Italian, Italian film that I started like, well, sorry, 416 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,920 Italian DT. He started mainly working in 417 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,720 Italy and he doesn't appear to have done like Jello films. 418 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,560 He's done a few kind of weird films that don't sound like 419 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,160 they're like they're jello genre, yet he seems to have a 420 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,440 deft hand for this kind of thing. 421 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,800 If you like later on once run categories I can talk about some 422 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,560 interesting things I found about some of his work in Italian 423 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,560 cinema, which I think is pretty funny and pretty interesting. 424 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,880 I look forward to that. So Spilotti has said himself an 425 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,880 interview and stuff that that he used different colours to have 426 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,000 different emotional states. So whenever the screen is 427 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,320 completely like drenched in the blue, it's meant to indicate 428 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,480 like a safe space. So you have that in like 429 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,760 Graham's house next to the sea at the beginning and you have it 430 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,520 when they're doing some of the forensic work in the, in the 431 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,880 police stations and there's like nice blue tones there. 432 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,120 You, you kind of get like a mixture of purples and greens 433 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:08,560 for when things are getting off kilter, which is like shown to 434 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,560 its maximum when we get to the climax. 435 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,400 And you look at like Dollar Hyde's house, which is like 436 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,440 beards and like purple and green and every other colour seems to 437 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,040 be like saturated out, really strange. 438 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,840 It looks so weird. And when you talk about the film 439 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,120 being weird, it's that colour scheme that that makes it really 440 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,440 weird for me. And and also the the changes in 441 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,160 like frame rate and stuff that happened. 442 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,240 There's a few of there's a few of those that are really strange 443 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,440 that put you off kilter. That's subtle, subtle little bit 444 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,600 of slow motion just before Graham jumps through the window. 445 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:41,960 Yeah, there's a bunch of them. There's there's that the star 446 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,920 hide emerging through his weird giant poster. 447 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,600 Anyway, we're having an hour, our first meeting between Graham 448 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,560 and Hannibal Lecter. Brian Cox is playing him here. 449 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:51,960 This is the first actor to play it. 450 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,760 He hasn't got a lot of time in the movie. 451 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,680 And Michael Mann himself said he wanted people to feel like they 452 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,000 didn't get enough Hannibal Lecter when they watch this 453 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,320 movie, which I get because you want to, you want to leave 454 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,440 people wanting more. But it works because I've so 455 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,920 many questions about Hannibal Lecter after watching this film. 456 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,760 Like what was he doing there? Yeah, he was, he was told like 457 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,240 business character on like a kind of British private 458 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,720 schoolboy, wasn't he? Like, he was, he was taught like 459 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080 base the performance on like a private schoolboy and it's like 460 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,960 my son's going to private school, I'll base Hannibal 461 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:27,840 fucking Lecter on him. Dad of the year, dad of the 462 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,080 year, man, honestly, what a guy. But yeah, I mean, it's 463 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,120 interesting. The second mean what's what's 464 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:37,280 what's what's Brit doing working in America? 465 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,680 I guess making better money than the NHS would pay him. 466 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,280 Yeah, yeah. With better access to weapons to 467 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,720 killers. Killers. 468 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,640 Yeah, what I like about this film is it doesn't go into any 469 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,480 detail whatsoever about the nature of Lectors crimes, just 470 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,920 how he there's a little bit about how he was caught and 471 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Graham is a kind of like rubbing his belly a little bit here. 472 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,960 He's kind of feeling his ego a little bit. 473 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,920 Yeah. So there's the whole back and 474 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,680 forth of like Will Graham, you, you get the feeling that he's 475 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,280 he's holding his own for a little bit and then he gets kind 476 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,520 of chiselled away and he definitely loses that that 477 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,080 confrontation. It's his first step back into 478 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,760 this grimy in the world since he kind of tried to get himself 479 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,160 away from it. And it's just too much. 480 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,600 He's just, he's just he stood too close to the bonfire and 481 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,760 he's getting himself a bit burned. 482 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,160 And as soon as he shows that bit of weakness, like he lectors on 483 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,480 him straight away, like you, you came back here to get the scent. 484 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,320 You came back here to get a smell of it to, to to get your 485 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,480 head back in the game. So has it worked? 486 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,560 Did you get my smell smell yourself? 487 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,840 Oh man, brilliant. Brian Cox has some opinions as 488 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,360 well. I've I liked researchers films, 489 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,360 but I may have done a bit more research on this film than 490 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,280 previous ones because I locked in a little bit on this bad boy. 491 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:52,160 Brian Cox has some opinions on Anthony Hopkins performances as 492 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,080 Lecter. By the way, that that's probably 493 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,880 a good time, but mentioned so I found I found a quote. 494 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:03,400 So on IMDb, someone wrote that. In a 2025 interview, Brian Cox 495 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,080 reflected on his performance Hannibal quote. 496 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:09,840 I think I'm the best Hannibal Lecter there ever was beat 497 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,000 because I play it internally. I don't do any funny Chianti 498 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,880 shit. I don't do any of that. 499 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,800 End Quote, Cox quipped, referring to the famous Silence 500 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,680 of Lam scene, in which Hopkins Lecter recalls eating a victim's 501 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,240 liver with some fava beans and ice Chianti before making it 502 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,520 before making a dramatic slurping noise, Cox continued. 503 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,120 Quote I play at the guys. I think he really is. 504 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,840 God bless Hopkins. He did it very well. 505 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,040 He got a lot of money out of that. 506 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,600 He also got an Oscar for Best actor. 507 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,600 What can he argue about that? But at the same time, to me, 508 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,040 Hannibal Lecter is a much more internal guy than he is 509 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,000 externally. He's somebody who works from the 510 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,160 interior out, not from the exterior in, and I think that's 511 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,920 the difference. That's interesting. 512 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,040 I think it's a good point. I think if you look at have you 513 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,440 seen, have you seen the movie Hannibal 2003? 514 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,200 And it's just a bit like it's just a bit over the top and it's 515 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,520 just a bit like becomes a bit a little bit silly. 516 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,600 I kind of, whereas I think I do understand like where Brian Cox 517 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,480 is coming from. And I haven't seen the TV show 518 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,440 Hannibal, but how does Matt Nicholson do it? 519 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,920 Him and Will agree I'm a super fucking gay for each other and 520 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,360 it's wild. The one at the one at the one 521 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,200 have sex with. They don't have sex with each 522 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,400 other so much it's embarrassing for both them he's after. 523 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,200 I think it's really good Hannibal, he's he seems to have 524 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,280 a bit more of like the kind like he's, he's not as flamboyant as 525 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,000 Hopkins when he's being more like kind of kind of 526 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,520 intellectual and like in incisive, I guess, and 527 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,560 analytical. But he does have the kind of 528 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,920 flamboyant thing when he's holding these like ridiculous 529 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,120 cannibal dinner parties and stuff like that. 530 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,200 It's it's a really interesting performance. 531 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,880 Does seem to kind of take a little bit. 532 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,080 No, no, I'm I'm I'm I'm not going to do some bads Middleson 533 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,840 by saying he's taken from other actors performances because he 534 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,240 might come in my house and kill us. 535 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:02,600 But he seems to kind of show both the both sides of like the 536 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,240 kind of Lecter spectrum, I guess Electrum, if you will, because 537 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:12,000 he's got like that increased sense of menace that that that 538 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,640 Brian Cox has. Plus like a bit more like the 539 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,680 intellectual flamboyance and stuff that Anthony Hopkins 540 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,840 provides. Plus also you seem like 541 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,040 physically stab people and kill people quite a bit. 542 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,400 So he's like, so he's like a physical Lecter as well. 543 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,160 Like he's a Lecter who can breaks off you. 544 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,760 It's All in all a good show. Cool. 545 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,320 No, I need to. I need to check. 546 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,960 That's a big black cultural blind spot for me. 547 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,800 So I haven't watched any of that. 548 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,360 Gillian Anderson's in it. It's like, yeah, it's. 549 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,960 Like I need to watch it. It's like a Gordon performance 550 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,840 by Gillian Anderson, honestly. Yeah, I need to get into that 551 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,480 big time. 100%. Yeah, it's a good point. 552 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,240 It's interesting. I like Brian Cox a lot as an 553 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,760 actor. Yeah, he's in many great, great 554 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:57,640 things, not up to and including Sharp, but but you do get the 555 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,600 sense from this Lecter, from what we see of him, which is 556 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,720 only a small amount, that you can see him operating in the 557 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,960 real world. He's very charming. 558 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,880 He tricks people. He's very easy to manipulate 559 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,560 people on the phone. And the way he gets to goes 560 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,360 around Will Grimm's head is is masterful. 561 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,840 There's some kind of playful and weird about him as well, like 562 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,920 the way he, like, lies on his little who hospital, not 563 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,360 hospital prison bed with his little feet up in his feet in 564 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,360 those big thick socks. Just like there's something kind 565 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:28,360 of funny about that. Whereas, yeah, there's something 566 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,200 a bit like Panto's probably putting it a bit harshly. 567 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,400 But like, the thing about Anthony Hopkins is, is later. 568 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,160 And we'll do this on set Lounge at some point, I'm sure. 569 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,440 And we can talk about it in more detail, but I feel like I can't 570 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,640 see his Hannibal actor, like going to the shops and getting 571 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,200 his groceries in. I can't see him taking a patient 572 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,600 as a psychiatrist. I can't see him like, you know, 573 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,640 going to the DMV and getting his licence. 574 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,280 Like it just doesn't seem like of this Earth, you know? 575 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,120 An interesting thing to consider is who went in on the fact that 576 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:03,400 Brian Cox said he he kind of based his performance on his son 577 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,200 who was like a private schoolboy. 578 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,600 Brian Cox is like that is like a really precautious, how to cover 579 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,840 for his own good and absolutely insane student, whereas Anthony 580 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,040 Hopkins's Lecter is like a far too far too clever for his own 581 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,560 good and in C private school drama teacher. 582 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Yeah, I don't know why, but I thought of Mr G from Summer 583 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,840 Heights either. No, I'm afraid that's I'm afraid 584 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,480 that's a cultural blind spot for me. 585 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,600 But where you been bitch? Where you bloody been? 586 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,680 Watching watching Bosch last night is where I've been there. 587 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,520 I watched Bosch last night. I had to. 588 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,280 I had to get Bosch filled off you dude. 589 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800 Obviously a throwback to the last episode when Mike had Bosch 590 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,960 mentioned Counter. So I've watched like 6 episodes 591 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,440 of the first season of Bosch. Last night went a lot in. 592 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,600 Yes. All right. 593 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,880 OK. Maybe we'll do a Bosch bonus 594 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,680 suit at some point. A Bosch sword, if you will. 595 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,880 That's great news mate. I'm so happy for you. 596 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,960 You're going to really enjoy that. 597 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,120 How good is J Edgar? Don't, don't answer me now. 598 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,600 He's great though. Fantastic, right? 599 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,880 OK, so where are we at now? Lecter agrees to look at the 600 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,600 case file, and Lecter immediately obtains Graham's 601 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,600 home address through deceit. Meanwhile, because they've got 602 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,440 hits on the fingerprinting stuff, a Graham goes to the 603 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,880 crime scene in Birmingham, AL, which is when we get the flight 604 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,480 across, which is an interesting scene we should talk about 605 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,720 because they didn't have a set for a plane to film this. 606 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,360 So they filmed on a real flight. But it's proper gorilla gonzo 607 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,000 filmmaking because they, they didn't tell anyone they were 608 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,280 going to do it. Obviously. 609 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,720 What they didn't just said is they bought like 100 seats on 610 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,560 the plane of like the cast and crew and just took over the cab 611 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,840 doing it too much as the chagrin of the pilot, The the, the, the 612 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,480 stewards and Sue Des's flight attendants. 613 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,000 They they did the the the filming which they brought all 614 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,160 their kit on on board like in their hand luggage playing 615 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,960 mental. You can tell this is like pre 616 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,560 911. I was gonna say you could you? 617 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,040 You could not do that today. This truly is one of those 618 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,760 films. I'm going to say legally you 619 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,360 could not make aspects of this film today. 620 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,880 Yeah, and to mollify the aircrew and other nearby passengers who 621 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,160 obviously like were sitting next to it as it was happening. 622 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,120 Good stuff. They just they just give a bunch 623 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,840 of like Manhunter like crew jackets away to people, which 624 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,360 which is fantastic. Just like so they obviously 625 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,000 plants. We'll just bring a lot of swag 626 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,240 on it. We'll just private everyone with 627 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,960 swag. I just imagined like the film 628 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,320 comes out like what, probably 6-7 months months later or some 629 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,440 oh. 6. And. 630 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,920 When I was young, 69 used to be the funny number. 631 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,920 I thought, I thought I would have pulled something out to 632 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,280 make Sonia angry. But, yeah, like, however many 633 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,040 months later, after the film's wrapped and gone through pause, 634 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,680 you know, half this air crew in the cinema is going. 635 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400 I know what fucking happens now watch this. 636 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,440 And like, they're sitting there in, like, the manhunt. 637 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,880 That crew jacket's like, yeah, this thing's never leaving my 638 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,640 side. And then they walk out the 639 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,640 cinema and like half the people are on the going what the fuck 640 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,280 was that? That was that sucked. 641 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,120 Yeah, a full, a full, a full third of the people who watch 642 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,520 the film walk off with Ina Gada de Vida stuck in the head for 643 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,720 the rest of the lives. God, yeah, that's absolutely 644 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,480 ridiculous. So Graham goes to this house. 645 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,040 One of the things he was talking about with Lexer was that all 646 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,480 the houses they've been looking at have had really large back 647 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,040 gardens. And because there's a lunar 648 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520 cycle element to it, he thinks that probably he wants to stand 649 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,560 outside and look at the moon after as he's doing his crimes 650 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,920 and it's possibly in the nude. So he wants a bit privacy, which 651 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,800 is why he thinks there's there's large gardens. 652 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,400 So Wilgram goes to this house and sees that, yeah, has got a 653 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,320 massive garden. He walks back from the house 654 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,760 like down a hill and like looks at the sight lines. 655 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,480 And when he runs out with like the sight line from like the, 656 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,720 the house and stuff, and he looks around and he finds a tree 657 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,400 and he climbs up a tree and he sits in a tree looking at the 658 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,800 house and kind of pieces together like what the killer 659 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,720 must have done. And it's another bit of like 660 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,520 Will Graham, like narrating to himself. 661 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,560 And you get this like really bit. 662 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,360 I, I think William Peterson's really good in this film. 663 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,600 But the only bits where I don't like it is when he has these 664 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,080 moments of like these UK moments when he's on his own and he has 665 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,040 to say what he's thinking out loud and he's like, that's it, 666 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,840 You son of a bitch. This is you. 667 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000 You stayed here all day. You watch them all day. 668 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,160 That's why they're large yards. You son of a bitch. 669 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,440 It was just like, who are you yelling at, man? 670 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,160 This this scene is somewhat is somewhat ruined for me. 671 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,880 Not ruined, but tarnished, I guess, by a South Park episode 672 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,960 in which Cotton has been some kind of a detective and he's 673 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,400 like, this is the is a tree where the where the killer 674 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,960 stayed up all night, probably cutting himself for the large 675 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,560 knife. That was a terrible Cartman 676 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,680 impression. I'm so sorry. 677 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,080 I mean, that sounded more like a certain fucking current 678 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880 president and leader of the free world impression, which is even 679 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,280 even even worse. It was middle of those. 680 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,240 But yeah, of of obviously the other thing that's ruined by 681 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,040 South Park is when is the whole do you see? 682 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,760 Do you see? Yeah. 683 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,880 You see, because I've just caught and go Oh my God, I'm so 684 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,880 fucking bored. It's like cartoon's rotted my 685 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,040 brain. Crawford rings him to tell him 686 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,720 that Lecter's warden at the prison has found a note in his 687 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,280 personal effects which they think is from the killer, 688 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,480 written on toilet paper. So then they go and read the 689 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,200 note and kind of hatch a plan. So. 690 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,520 But what it is, is they realise that the killer, who they don't 691 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,960 know, they don't know yet, the tooth theory is a professional 692 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,400 admiration for Lecter. And then they hatch a plan, 693 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,600 having read the notes, to write their own fake response to him 694 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,880 and publish it in. They figure out it's the 695 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,000 National Tatler, which is the newspaper that Lowndes writes 696 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,200 for, Freddie Lowndes. So they plan to write to try and 697 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,360 get him to go to a certain place at a time so they can, like, 698 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,600 basically do a sting attack on him, Right? 699 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,120 Yeah, right. This is a weird thing. 700 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,639 Lecter is writing these notes to the tooth fairy, but he's 701 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,960 writing them in a code. The FBI haven't cracked the code 702 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,400 yet, but they've got a decision to make about whether they put 703 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,000 in their own fake one without the coded elements in, or they 704 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,080 let Lecture write his own one, but then no progress was made 705 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,239 because Lectures was writing to his guys as he wants to. 706 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,400 They decide to run their one anyway, in the hope that maybe 707 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,080 the code hasn't been recognised by it's all, but not this. 708 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,960 That's crazy. It's like, it's like, because it 709 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,199 shows like the kind of like intelligence and misdirectional 710 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,000 powers of, of lecta how the code, the the code is 711 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,880 essentially so like you meant to think that like the safer for it 712 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,600 is like the Bible, right, Because it's like Bible verses. 713 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,600 But and the this realisation, it's not clear how this 714 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,600 realisation because the Bible verses don't match. 715 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,280 Like there's only this certain amount of verses in in in in 716 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,880 this book and it's and it's exceeding the number. 717 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,880 Then they're like also, this is actually just like reference to 718 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,400 some random criminal codes and like laws and stuff of like the 719 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,760 area, like the like county criminal codes, which somehow 720 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,520 translates into letters. And it's I like how the film 721 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,920 doesn't dive too deep into that because again, it's Michael 722 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,040 Mann's kind of yeah, would would we don't need to know, but don't 723 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,760 need to have a scene when like someone like spends spends ages 724 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,240 looking at a Bible and then looking at a big book of 725 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,040 criminal statutes and going son of a bitch. 726 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,120 You know, it's it's again, it's the thing that much like in 727 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,960 Collateral, Michael Mann's able to cut these things out of his 728 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,840 films the run necessary. And he still has this vibrant, 729 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,960 exciting, rapidly development storyline without having the 730 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,600 scene when a bunch of cryptographers lock in and sit 731 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,760 around with the Bibles and the Criminal Code books and. 732 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,640 Probably some statues. It's misery. 733 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,720 State yeah, yeah, like, like, yeah, like and they've got like 734 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:00,880 the, the Bibles in front of them. 735 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,360 They've got like the state statutes, they've got some some 736 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,280 third red herring book like, I don't know, the players guide to 737 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,600 Animal Crossing or something in front. 738 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,200 Like I can't be this one. This has no relevance to the 739 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680 plot, but you're going to waste 5 minutes on it because this 740 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,680 isn't a Michael Mann film, you know? 741 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,840 Yeah, So, yeah, because it serves no additional purpose, I 742 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,880 think, I think we get the gist of it pretty much as soon as it 743 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,920 starts. So So what they do is they get 744 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,760 free lands, who we've already seen is a fucking scumbag. 745 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:34,840 But they sit down with him and Will Grimm offers him the 746 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,080 opportunity to be like, right, we're going to catch this killer 747 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,280 by you're going to do a profile on me, which considering he's 748 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,600 already written some tabloid hit pieces on him already, he's 749 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,720 like, brilliant, great, I'll do that. 750 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,680 And then they're going to start talking about the case in this 751 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,120 profile. And he starts just like saying 752 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,640 like, right, The tooth fairy's impotent. 753 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,560 He can't achieve an erection around a woman. 754 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,160 Maybe maybe he was had, maybe he had fantasises about his mother, 755 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:01,360 like all this sort of stuff. So just it's really, it's mean 756 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,000 like, OK, like. So it's rage bait, isn't that? 757 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,680 I mean like it's. Like, yeah, yeah. 758 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,480 Yeah, like this this guy wants to have sex with his mom and 759 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,920 he's also gay. It's it is incredibly middle 760 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,080 school. Really. 761 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,560 It's like, it's like, hey, man, hey, man, you know, homo says 762 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,400 what you know, like it's like, it's just he falls for this like 763 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,400 rage bait. It's. 764 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,040 Proper juvenile. Yeah, but like, not in the way 765 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,320 you expect it because obviously they think they're going to rage 766 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,640 bait him in making a move on Will Graham, but in fact he sees 767 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,800 through it and falls in what controlled way for the rage bait 768 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,160 and absolutely fucks Freddie Lounge up. 769 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,720 Yeah, yeah, Grimm. Yeah, you get, you got like the 770 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:45,400 sting operation all set up with Graham, Graham as the tart at 771 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,320 the bait. And they do that kind of big 772 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,880 fake out. They they see a guy running in a 773 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,080 hoodie, they tack him to the ground. 774 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,400 It's just a guy out for a run and all the places like there 775 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,480 and and meanwhile Freddy Lounge is like complete unprotected 776 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,560 walking to his car and just gets gets gets abducted and you get 777 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,880 like so you get like the do you see, do you see scene where 778 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,840 Freddy Lounge is sat down and made to watch like all the all 779 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,440 the slideshows of photos of all the families that he's brutal. 780 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,120 Freddy Lounge is crying and screaming to run up having a bad 781 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,400 time. And I love that you don't see 782 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,920 what he does to Freddy. All we see is him returns to the 783 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,080 parking lot and you've got the guy in the little booth, the 784 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,680 little tool booth. And you see this brilliant shot 785 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,320 of like the bend of the ramp that goes up and around the 786 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,240 corner. And you see like the light, the 787 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,800 fire, like rounding the corner, you see the light coming. 788 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,760 And he's like looking at that. And he's like, what is this? 789 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,440 And the guy gets out the tool and starts like backing away and 790 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,480 then runs away. And then you get this one really 791 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,960 short shot of like the wheelchair with like the burning 792 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,000 free lounge, like piling down the run toward right at the 793 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,720 camera. And it's like, what is this is 794 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,680 sick? It's a proper jump scar and it's 795 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,560 and honestly 11 out of 10, no notes, absolute perfection. 796 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,880 That scene when there's when there's just this kind of like 797 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,800 gradual building up of like, again, this film plays with 798 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,760 light and stuff so much and that's this building up of like 799 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040 the kind of light from from the burning body that's inside the 800 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,680 wheelchair. I just think obviously looking 801 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,040 at it with contextual knowledge and having like seen the film 802 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,360 before and seeing there's like a similar philtre. 803 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,960 I mean, it's not going to be a spoil that say there's a similar 804 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,440 scene in the Hannibal TV series, but it's like imagine seeing 805 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,680 that in the cinema for the first time with preparation. 806 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,040 I don't know if that scenes in the book Red Dragon because I've 807 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,120 because because I've not read it yet. 808 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,160 I really should shout out to Stephen from Cromiton. 809 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,480 If if you're listening after recommending on social media 810 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,520 that the books even better in the film Sonia, check that out. 811 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,360 Thanks man, got a shout out to listeners. 812 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,960 I'll tell you what I really enjoyed after the sequence and 813 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,040 also hello to Stephen, is the absolute lack of emotion that 814 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,760 Wilcrim has about the death of Freddie Lyons. 815 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,040 Like he's going fuck, he's go fuck. 816 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,280 He's like he's like, did he like he's he's talking to like the is 817 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,720 like the EMT or the doctor or something? 818 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,320 He's like, did he say anything else before he did? 819 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,920 He he's like, you know, he's never getting consciousness. 820 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,800 Oh, OK, right. That's a bust. 821 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,560 Yeah. Well, he says anyway. 822 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,480 He's gonna fuck. He's gonna fuck. 823 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,360 She, read. Doesn't care. 824 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,400 It's fantastic. And then Jack Crawford's like, 825 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,240 we've we cracked the codes. It was like Missouri State 826 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,600 statues or something like that. And we found out what the code 827 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,160 of message was to the tooth theory. 828 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,840 It's your home address. Yeah. 829 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,680 So he's like, fuck. And then they, he books it back 830 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,880 to his home. And we get like the police 831 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,840 swarming the residents. It's all fine. 832 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,560 Like, you know, they get they get, they get evacuated out. 833 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,440 It's all good. No drama. 834 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,360 I feel, I do feel bad for the one guy. 835 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,920 There's a shit tonne of black guys in this movie, but there's 836 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,120 also a shit tonne of people that we've never anything else and 837 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,800 don't have photographs on IMDb who this is their only acting 838 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,640 credit kind of thing. And there's one guy who plays 839 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,400 the cop with a shotgun who comes to the door, who's clearly been 840 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,320 given the one line to say please come back, please come back 841 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,920 inside. But he has to say it like 3 842 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,760 times because like Kim Grish keeps running out the door and 843 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,960 he's like come back inside. No, come back inside. 844 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,880 No, please come back inside. It's like you're not giving this 845 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,400 guy anything else to say. He's not, he's not, he's not 846 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,480 going to, he's not going to get in on the the improv with you. 847 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,880 But yes. And I'm trying to go outside. 848 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,200 You know what? No, but go back inside. 849 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,800 I'm not about to badging like both about it get poorly lit 850 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,560 stage now and someone's like I heard nightclub in San Diego and 851 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:36,880 everyone's Catholic St No but. Yeah, Saint Christopher, these 852 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,720 beats are really banging. Since you thank you so much, it 853 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:48,280 goeth hard God grief. We've got a really nice scene 854 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040 after this. So it cuts to them going to a 855 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,880 safe house and Will Grim goes out shopping with his son. 856 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,360 And this is like he only has like a handful of scenes in the 857 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,240 movie. The son is shown to have quite a 858 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,840 high EQ, like he's out of his sight of his mum and dad. 859 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,000 He goes, I'm just in the kitchen. 860 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,600 Like he, he knows, like people don't be worried about him. 861 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,600 He's obviously like, it kind of implies that this kid has had to 862 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,360 like, this isn't his first row day with people being worried 863 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,800 about him. Yeah. 864 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,520 Anyway, he goes, he goes, he goes grocery shopping with his 865 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,600 dad and his dad. I think this is probably Will 866 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,040 Peterson's maybe kind of best scene in the movie is him 867 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,200 explaining like, what happened to him after the last case and 868 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,720 the nature of his PTSD to his, like, really young son. 869 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:29,600 He's like talking to him at his level kind of thing. 870 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,280 Doesn't doesn't talk down to him. 871 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,280 He kind of just says, like, quite a matter of factly, like, 872 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,120 yeah. And after my body got better, my 873 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,160 mind wasn't all better. So I had to go and speak to 874 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,600 somebody else, and they had to. And I had to ask them for help. 875 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,520 And because I got really in because I had to understand, 876 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,560 like, why these people did these horrible things, you know? 877 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,760 Yeah. He kind of lays out flat for us, 878 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,120 like, what the movie's about, which is his struggle with going 879 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,440 into the minds of these killers. But that was a really nice 880 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,200 scene. I thought it was really well 881 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,120 done. I love like the mundane Saturn 882 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,600 of a supermarket as well. He got like all the serial 883 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,360 behind him and all the coffee behind his son. 884 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,880 Yeah, it's the breakfast style. It's not directors, lesser men, 885 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,520 pussies would have shot this film on a bench next to a lake 886 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,600 or something. Not on the scene on a bench next 887 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,200 to a lake. Come on, son, let's feed the 888 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,320 ducks and I'll talk on the PTSD. But it's like it's just this 889 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,960 off, killed up. We are kind of seen because it 890 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,920 works so well you. Don't know when these moments 891 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,960 are going to happen in real life. 892 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,200 Kids don't have like the whilst he has like the EQ to like to 893 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,320 take all this information in, he doesn't have like the the 894 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,200 tactical. Well, let's wait until we're out 895 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,520 of public before we talk about this. 896 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,440 Yeah, I'll, I'll. Ask you about it right in the 897 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,000 middle of the fucking Whole Foods. 898 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,600 Yeah. And it's more realistic that 899 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,760 way, I think. Yeah. 900 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,920 You don't know when these deep, meaningful chats are going to 901 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,440 happen. Yeah, it's like fucking family 902 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680 story. When my mom was a kid, she went 903 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,040 to see some some musical. I think it was Oklahoma at the 904 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,240 cinema with her mom and they like a sister, obviously. 905 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,800 I think I think it's Oklahoma. There's there's like a line in a 906 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,800 song. I think it'll be kissing. 907 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,120 We'll be drinking. We'll be fornicating either and 908 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,760 either my mom or her sister whose name I want. 909 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,440 So yeah, somewhat documentary family, but said said to them I 910 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,240 may grandma quite loud. Mom, what's fornicating in the 911 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,720 middle of a cinema? It's like. 912 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,800 So yeah, kids, kids in general, from what I've seen and heard 913 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:22,320 and experience as a kid as well, don't have that kind of like 914 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,440 awareness of right place, right time sometimes. 915 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,000 So it's really a really bit of honest storytelling, filmmaking 916 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,400 that this conversation has to happen in a supermarket in front 917 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,840 of the breakfast cereals. You know it's good. 918 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,400 Yeah, I'll tell you what reminds me of it reminds me of that bit 919 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,800 and when Harry Met Sally where they have a good deep meaningful 920 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,920 chat when they bump into when Harry and Sally bump into 921 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:51,400 Harry's now ex-wife and his new partner while they're like in a 922 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,760 gift shop and they're doing the karaoke. 2 Oklahomas, Jigson 923 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,040 ducks and geese Spiller scurry when? 924 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,800 Yeah. And then you have like and then 925 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,640 like just yeah. Out in public they have like 926 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,360 that singing. Yeah. 927 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,880 Oklahoma in front of IRA. Yeah. 928 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,800 We're getting dangerously close to becoming a musical theatre 929 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,120 episodes. No big deal, no drama with that. 930 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,800 I don't mind that. Man Hunt and the Musical imagine 931 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,040 that Run Lockdown will work out how Manhunt and the Musical 932 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,640 would play out. No, we're not. 933 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:24,320 Anyway, this is the midpoint of the movie where we do the switch 934 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,560 from police procedural following the evidence to now we are with 935 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,800 the tooth fairy. So we so the Rubicon has passed 936 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,720 when we finally meet Francis Dolehyde as he's kind of 937 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,200 torturing lands, right? That's the first time we Yeah. 938 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,280 And the first time we see him he's got like that pantyhose 939 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,480 over his head, over his eyes, over the top off says creepy as 940 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,680 creepy AF. Yeah, again, this was like the 941 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,200 whole like jello thing of like a masked killer kind of thing. 942 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,320 Like it's it's it's they have a quite Nos, you know, like it's 943 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,000 not quite it's not quite following the full jello 944 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,040 playbook, much as it doesn't follow fully the thriller slash 945 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,560 serial clan detective movie playbook. 946 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,320 Brilliant, brilliant. Really menacing, really weird, 947 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,200 really offsetting little touches that make it off putting. 948 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,120 Things like the colour on his shirt is like folded up. 949 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,920 Yeah, weirdly. Like he's he's taking all this 950 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,080 care to like stage this kidnap and the torture and the 951 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,280 slideshow, but the guy is so unhinged. 952 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,800 He doesn't know how to put his shirt on properly. 953 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,200 The movie, the rest of the movie kind of drip feeds details to 954 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,000 us. But our first impressions of us, 955 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,320 we've got this guy who's like got the the surgery scar on his 956 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,320 palate because he's obviously had a himself a pep palate as a 957 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,920 child that's been been surgically fixed. 958 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,880 Extremely tall big guy. They tell us later in the movie 959 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,160 he's 34, but he's like, but he's got this kind of wiry, struggly 960 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,720 balding head of hair, which just looks like he's taking a lot of 961 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:49,600 care with it. He's got this weird apartment 962 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,920 that he lives in. It's just like the whole thing 963 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,360 is just like, who is this guy? But then the movie answers it 964 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,800 for us by putting us in his shoes for like the next the the 965 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,120 next sort of 30-40 minutes. And it kind of speed runs us 966 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,960 through like his, his kind of kind of fall falling in love 967 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,600 with, with, with, with, with that Lady whose name I've just 968 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,480 forgotten. I'm so sorry. 969 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,000 Reba Reba McClain played by John Allen. 970 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,360 Like it kind of like speedruns us through that, that like 971 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,720 romance and how he he like takes that to see that tiger that's 972 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,440 been like sedated and stuff like that. 973 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,240 That's. A wild first date. 974 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,960 That's a. Wild, wild first date. 975 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,400 And it's, and it's, and it's obviously, it's like it's, it's 976 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,800 unsurprising because it's Michael Mann, a real tiger, you 977 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,280 know, with a real vet as well. That's like an actual real vet 978 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,880 standing by it. And it's like Michael Mann, you 979 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,600 didn't have to go for this realism, and yet you did. 980 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,000 That's cool, though, because that would be cool. 981 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,200 It shows that like, this guy has got like a one. 982 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:51,040 He's interesting. Yeah. 983 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,160 It's not your standard, like, go for a drink for coffee, have a 984 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,160 safe day. No, he's like I, I know a guy 985 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,360 who will drink a tiger for us. Yeah. 986 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,000 Like what The Who is his vet? I I just happened to have a 987 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,960 friend who's not just a vet. He's not just like a regular 988 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,280 domestic animals vet, right? He's a guy who's a vet for a zoo 989 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,000 who just happens to have A tag that he needs to sedate like 990 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,800 right now or very, very soon for a procedure. 991 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,960 That's like, The thing is, it's like so many serial classes 992 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,800 portrayed as like he's like sad losers and he is a sad loser on 993 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,800 his own right. But he also has the potential to 994 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,640 be a cool dude. He's a fucking really cool 995 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,000 house. You know, he's he's obviously 996 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,960 able to build up like working relationships with people within 997 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,160 seeing the cool jobs. Like I I I do work on tigers for 998 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,600 a zoo. That's fucking awesome. 999 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,720 I think the apex what vets want to do right. 1000 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,760 And yet, I guess, well, I mean, like the film in first is 1001 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,800 schizophrenic with a with with with with with much of the plot, 1002 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,560 I guess. And and also, I guess it's the 1003 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,200 fact that once again, this is what 0 pussy does to a 1004 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,880 motherfucker, you know? Yeah. 1005 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,560 Yeah, but there's something, there's something it's 1006 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,280 frustrating because there's something like quite empathetic 1007 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,680 about about him doing that because like, he's obviously 1008 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,360 this woman is blind. Yeah. 1009 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,800 She experiences the will through touch. 1010 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,920 You're never going to see a tiger, but you could run your 1011 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,960 hands through the the fur of a tiger. 1012 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,040 Exactly. And see with your see with your 1013 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,280 hands. That's incredible. 1014 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,120 Like what? What what a gift that is like in 1015 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,920 in theory. And this is a guy who fucking 1016 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,000 annihilates women. He annihilates him, he 1017 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,840 eradicates him. I mean, families are kind of 1018 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,440 like the families have to die, but the women, it's, it's his 1019 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,360 main thing. This is guy who's a destroyer of 1020 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,240 women. Yet for a first date, he takes a 1021 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,920 woman who'll never be able to touch the tiger without dying to 1022 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,680 see one of one of God's most amazing murder machines with our 1023 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,600 hands. It is a complex performance and 1024 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,440 a complex characterization. I've I've got to read the book, 1025 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,160 man. Yeah, I'd like to know a lot 1026 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,720 more about reader as well, Like what what her, what's going 1027 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,680 through her mind because she's she's obviously drawn to this as 1028 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,800 well. So you get the impression that 1029 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,600 maybe her background isn't straightforward either. 1030 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,680 This is so distracting as well. When you're watching the film, 1031 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,280 This, this, this relationship that's that's building up. 1032 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,160 It's so distracting that, I mean, you notice it, but I 1033 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,200 don't. I didn't, I didn't pay a lot of 1034 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,440 thought to. It was like how they're going to 1035 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,880 catch him is that he works in the film processing labs that 1036 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,520 processed all the home footage for all the murders. 1037 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,160 So that's how he's it's a bit like one hour photo. 1038 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,600 This is how he's picking his victims. 1039 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,480 He's he's developing their film and seeing their lives. 1040 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,480 And it's something that Grim obviously realises later on. 1041 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,200 It's like the big kind of Eureka movement. 1042 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,280 But yeah, mad so he has that. He has that one nice date with 1043 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,280 Reba, drops her off. Have a nice normal time Reba 1044 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,480 then. So as I understand it in the 1045 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,160 book what what she's doing is breaking off like an off again 1046 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,080 on again thing with another guy. Yeah. 1047 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:02,880 And the guy asks her that would be a shot from Dollarhide. 1048 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,280 I feel like one final kiss and she kisses him by one last time 1049 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,320 on the doorstep kind of thing. And then he leaves. 1050 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,800 In the movie, that's not not been there. 1051 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,440 I think it would have been confusing, yeah, to have that 1052 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,560 much back story for such a short interaction. 1053 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,440 But in the movie, it's it's just like a colleague who's just 1054 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,280 saying bye. And he notices something on her 1055 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,720 cheek. So he brushes her hand into the 1056 00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:22,880 cheek, and it looks really intimate. 1057 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,440 And this is like what sends him over the edge. 1058 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,280 Yeah, and dolla height. Like he, like, he like, he goes 1059 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,280 kind of full schizo at this point and he sees it. 1060 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,680 He rips upholstery in his car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1061 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,840 Like, he sees it as like a passionate clinch kind of thing 1062 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,840 when it's not, you know? Yeah, I love why I love when 1063 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,360 they're shooting this the way that they they changed the way 1064 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,160 it shot for the perception from Dolla Hyde. 1065 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,040 So we see it from his perspective. 1066 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,880 She is like backlit by like the porch lights. 1067 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,840 She has like a bloom around her that both in the centre of the 1068 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,000 frame. It's like in slow motion. 1069 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,800 The soundtrack is jacked right up. 1070 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,240 It looks like this kind of really intimate moment that's 1071 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,560 happening. And then it cuts away because 1072 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,040 cuts back to them and it's like really a matter of fact, 1073 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,840 slightly wider shot slightly off centre. 1074 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,240 The lighting's calmed down, the bloom effect is gone. 1075 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,600 And it's just like, yeah, it must have just been like a bit 1076 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,440 of like pollen or something. And then and then by like, no, 1077 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,160 no emotion whatsoever. And he just walks the garden 1078 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,520 path, but too late. PowerPoint your man Dollar Hyde 1079 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,640 springs up from behind the hedge, shocks the guy. 1080 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,200 The guy recognises them, but he just Yanks him into this hedge. 1081 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,640 Bang, bang, 2IN the heads with a solid pistol and then ditches 1082 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,240 him in the garden and just walks into the house. 1083 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:35,120 Really like bristle fast, like like the ritual stick murder 1084 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,160 stuff is, is one thing. But when it's just a this shows 1085 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,520 you like when it's just a an obstacle. 1086 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,840 He doesn't care. He's just he's just like 1087 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,680 obliterates it and moves on without thinking. 1088 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,160 Yeah. But it's just, it's just at this 1089 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,440 point he just a racism because it seems to me with the 1090 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,280 storytelling, he's matter of fact with the way he kills men. 1091 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,360 Like him killing men is the business thing. 1092 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:05,200 Him, him killing the guys is how he is, is what he does, while 1093 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,000 he's kind of making the women that he kills into something 1094 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,480 different. The children as well, yeah. 1095 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,480 Yeah, Graham, Graham says in that initial, that initial crime 1096 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,120 scene when he's dictating to himself, he says like the 1097 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,640 children, the men would have died within a minute. 1098 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,440 Yeah. And then 5 minutes happens and 1099 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,080 then the women are killed. What does he do in the 1100 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,200 intervening time? Yeah, so that kind of obstacles 1101 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,600 be removed. It's dispassionate the way the 1102 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,040 way it kills them. There's no kind of like 1103 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,240 screaming fuck you and like get your hands off my woman and just 1104 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,080 like slice and slice and slice and kind of thing. 1105 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,760 There's no kind of cut his eyes out, replace them with with 1106 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:44,680 broken mirrors or whatever. He's just erased because it's 1107 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,720 again, because it's because it's psychosexual with him as as 1108 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,520 violence as psychosexual and know that taking the jello box 1109 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,840 and men aren't part of his sexual alignment. 1110 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,960 Yeah, So now we get going towards the the end of it now, I 1111 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,960 guess we get so Donald Hard goes into Reba's home and kidnaps it, 1112 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,800 I guess because he takes it back to his place, right. 1113 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,360 And we're getting towards like the 11th hour now. 1114 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,000 So I think while this is happening, it cuts back to 1115 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,160 Crawford and Graham, Gemma Colford realise all these 1116 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,960 inferences that he's making are through the same home footage 1117 00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,680 that he is watching right now. So he's like, like where this 1118 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,080 what? What labs do these come from? 1119 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,440 And then it's like a central processing lab. 1120 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,480 What's the outfall source lab in the local area that that 1121 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,200 initially went to before it got brought into the FBI fold? 1122 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,160 Underneath that label is where it is. 1123 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,320 So they figure out that, oh, these have all come from the 1124 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,600 same lab in Saint Louis. Yeah. 1125 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,560 So we're going to get, we're going to gas up the Learjet and 1126 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,680 zip over to to Saint Louis. I've got to talk about as use of 1127 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,200 I can kind of aircraft in this film as well. 1128 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,680 When was CI mentioned this in the last podcast episode? 1129 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:56,080 When was C the scene when they get evidence delivered by 1130 00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,200 helicopter? I love how it's literally kind 1131 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,320 of touch and go thing helicopter lands someone handsome, papers 1132 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,000 out and then flies off again. There's no kind of here comes 1133 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,160 the cavalry fucking charge of the Rohiram kind of thing. 1134 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,200 When a bit of a bit of a bit of a exaggerated like reference 1135 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,000 obviously, but like there's no kind like yeah, here, here, here 1136 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,520 comes, you know, to save the day kind of thing. 1137 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,000 A big deal. Helicopter lands, bunch of guys 1138 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,440 come out shaking hands. We've got your information, man. 1139 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,640 Thanks, dog kind of thing. One's your dog, but it's like 1140 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,040 it's just show us it shows the tempo that the operating at the 1141 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,880 helicopter lands. It is literally in the air 1142 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:43,120 moments, moments later. Then when we get the Learjet 1143 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,960 scene, you know the the they're not putting them on a domestic 1144 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,720 flight account after what happened because he fell asleep 1145 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:54,320 when some kids saw evidence. Yeah, again that. 1146 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,680 Complaints Amazed. Complaints amazed he's he's on 1147 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,400 he's on a new fly list now. I mean, again, that scene alone 1148 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,440 does kind of just as a kind of a side slide away a bit from the 1149 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,720 whole detective movie tropes. That's not something you'd say 1150 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,520 in in a lot of films. I kind of seen one like maybe 1151 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,920 maybe maybe not then anyway. But yeah, when when he's on like 1152 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,760 the Leo chat and stuff and the speed at which that plane taxis 1153 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,160 towards the hangar, it again at stake. 1154 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,600 It shows the intensity of these things. 1155 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,920 It's not sure we've got you a Leah jet because we're cool 1156 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,840 because we don't have to like delay a commercial fight from 1157 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,080 Delta or whatever. It doesn't it isn't it isn't a 1158 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,960 flex have got a Leah jet. They need some. 1159 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,160 It's going to get them there really quick and you just know 1160 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,320 that the direction for the plane's crew were get this thing 1161 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,400 moving on the ground to the stop point as quick as possible 1162 00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,360 because it's not meant to look like a cool badass moment. 1163 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,480 It's meant to say this. This is really serious. 1164 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,800 It isn't like a Hooray thing. It's a oh shit kind of thing. 1165 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,520 You know that means business. It's. 1166 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,520 Interesting, actually. So what this movie does do, 1167 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,960 which I think is interesting, is it dispenses with a lot of the 1168 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,400 federal manhunt kind of tropes that you that you get in these 1169 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,480 movies. So or it modifies them in some 1170 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,200 way. So national manhunt in a movie, 1171 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,280 what do you normally get? You normally get building press 1172 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,960 reaction to what's going on, building up like a further. 1173 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,320 I'm thinking of things like the TV series Mindhunter, 1174 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,880 Mindhunter, not Manhunter and other things like US marshals, 1175 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,800 whatever the fugitive, that kind of thing. 1176 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,120 What we do have instead is 1 tabloid reporter who becomes a 1177 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,040 plot element and is in one of the victims. 1178 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,040 So actually, is it really about the the national reaction to it 1179 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,840 or is it just the stuff you have to put in place for the one 1180 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,560 victim to get done? You don't have go on, Sorry, 1181 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,680 sorry, I'm going to say other stuff you don't have right. 1182 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,880 So all these guys are working for the FBI, right? 1183 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,320 So national, the federal, what do you normally get with a, with 1184 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,760 a, with a federal investigation in a movie? 1185 00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,560 You normally get federal to local law enforcement, friction 1186 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,920 over jurisdiction and egos putting heads. 1187 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,920 Look at any of that in this. Everyone just gets along. 1188 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,960 And there's an even, there's even a briefing scene with the 1189 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,160 local cops and the FBI. They're together and it just 1190 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,560 happens. And then they go off and do 1191 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,480 their jobs and no one kicks off. Yeah. 1192 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,040 Another thing is, so this is more of a visual thing, but 1193 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,120 normally if you see any of the three letter agencies in a 1194 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,960 movie, they are cutting about and there's windbreakers or, or 1195 00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,880 those badged vests, play vests and stuff all the time. 1196 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,520 You don't see any of that. There's nobody wearing an FBI 1197 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,520 windbreaker in this movie that I can remember. 1198 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,840 Oh, it's seldom is. Yeah, this, this film is very 1199 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,320 low on the red on the red jacket count definitely is. 1200 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,760 And I think the the film at this point through the manhood kind 1201 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,880 of sequence doesn't throw your red herrings. 1202 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,320 Oh my God, Someone's seen a guy who matches the description in 1203 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,480 Colorado or whatever and a SEC turns out it's not him kind of 1204 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,720 thing. That's like competency porn. 1205 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,200 Again. It shows people as being really 1206 00:58:54,200 --> 00:59:00,200 good at the jobs and not in the kind of, it doesn't feel like, I 1207 00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,760 know this is a word that's like being kind of trotted out a lot, 1208 00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,560 but it doesn't feel like copaganda. 1209 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,720 It doesn't feel like look at how incredibly amazing and noble our 1210 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,600 law enforcement are. It just shows how competent they 1211 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:17,040 are in the very not not morally sent out kind of way. 1212 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,280 It's not showing them as like these crusaders who are just 1213 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,840 going to get the job done for God country in America and apple 1214 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,320 pie. Just shows them as consummate 1215 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,040 professionals who don't get in silly. 1216 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,000 Kind of like local cops versus 3 letter agency shit fights. 1217 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,200 Because it's a worn out trope and it's something again Michael 1218 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,280 Mann dodges in this film. Yeah, in fact, you see them have 1219 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,040 the opposite in this sequence. So they're in the Learjet, 1220 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,600 they're making a call to the grounds, to the Saint Louis 1221 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,640 police. And Frankie Faison is like the 1222 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,560 on duty sheriff of deputy over there in charge of, of a tiny 1223 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,400 little small OPS room. And they, and they say like, 1224 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,880 right, we what we need is I've got a list of names I'm going to 1225 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,120 give you right now of all the employees of this lab that, that 1226 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,000 we use this, this, this film processing lab. 1227 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,240 So they've also got the information. 1228 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,240 I'm going to go for all the names. 1229 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,200 I'm looking for a guy from his profile that he's, he's 1230 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,800 generated. I'm looking for a guy who's 6 1231 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,520 foot to 6 foot 5 something something that between 180 and 1232 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,440 220 lbs, Caucasian blonde hair like this. 1233 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,680 These are all the things I think they are based on my profile. 1234 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,880 And then they go for all the employees. 1235 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,680 Alphabetically and then because it's the movie, they get to 123 1236 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,080 and the third one happens to be the guy. 1237 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,400 But you see this OPS room kind of thing in, in the station, I 1238 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,880 guess in Saint Louis, just doing it just like right, here's the 1239 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,400 and then here's the guy's ID we're putting in the name. 1240 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,720 Here's the thing. Doesn't match. 1241 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,080 Next doesn't match, next does match. 1242 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,600 I'm faxing you it now. Boom. 1243 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,480 And then you see that what you don't get in this movie is the 1244 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,360 troop that would follow immediately after that, which is 1245 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,560 call out an APB. And then like we've loaded the 1246 01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,080 airports, we've loaded the ports, we've loaded the and 1247 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:53,880 we've got a Roblox set up. But like none of that happens. 1248 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,040 It's just like, we've got this guy. 1249 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,000 What's his address? Let's go to his fucking house. 1250 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,960 Yeah, basically it's like, like, like there's no hard target 1251 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,160 search of every doghouse, hen house, cut house, and outhouse 1252 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,320 and A50 mile radius, you know? Because there's no manhunt yet 1253 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,600 because because we've got the jump in and finally, and it's 1254 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,600 hard to get, but there is the pressure that it's happening 1255 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,360 tonight, which means they they can quite reasonably expect them 1256 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:19,240 to be in or or or or out the victims, but they don't know the 1257 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,960 victim is. So they're going to try and pick 1258 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,680 him up before he goes out. Yeah. 1259 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,600 So we get that and it's all coming together and then we cut 1260 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,560 back to his apartment. And then I mentioned it earlier 1261 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,680 on, but this is where we get some of the really weird use of 1262 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,800 light and colour to show things have gone off the rails. 1263 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,840 So we have in direct conversation with the earlier 1264 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,320 scene where he has reader Joan Allen in his apartment on their 1265 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,440 kind of their date when they have their first kiss and sesh. 1266 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:49,720 I guess in that scene his flat is normally colour graded. 1267 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,560 It's lit in a normal cosy ish ish light. 1268 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,040 He's doing something incredibly rude by the way, which is he's 1269 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,600 playing a home movie on a projector that he can see that 1270 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,720 she can't see. And then he doesn't adequately 1271 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,920 explain what it is. And then then the sound of the 1272 01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,520 of the video that the tape playing is like overbearing on 1273 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,080 the soundtrack. Yeah. 1274 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,640 It strikes me as incredibly off kilter nevertheless, and This is 1275 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,200 why I want to know more about Rita, because that's happening. 1276 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,760 And nevertheless she starts making out with him and it's 1277 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,120 like he could be playing like hardcore pornography on that. 1278 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,920 You've got no idea what he's watching. 1279 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,120 Yeah, he just says, oh, it's something for work. 1280 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,800 I'm like, oh, so you're going to sit there and do work with your 1281 01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,000 eyes that I can't use while we're like, what the fuck? 1282 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,720 It's so rude. So weird. 1283 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,280 Yeah. And like, I mean, it's enough to 1284 01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,280 make a lesser short man. I mean like I'm aware of my 5 1285 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,040 foot 7 stature and I'm fine with that because it's the golden 1286 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,240 height, but it's enough to make that's a lesser short man who 1287 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,600 doesn't quite appreciate himself as I do be like women will do 1288 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,000 anything for a tall guy. If he's 6 foot 6, they'll do 1289 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,440 fucking anything, you know, and it's like that. 1290 01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,760 It may be, but it's like if if it does fit that incredibly in 1291 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,040 self fucking trope, they're saying people like, Oh my God, 1292 01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,760 all all you have to be is be yourself, be fit, be rich, be 6 1293 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,400 foot 6. Girls will like you warm. 1294 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,800 Shut up. But two, yeah, it's like, I 1295 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,840 think she just comes across as being. 1296 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,640 She was really captivated by him and she was willing to let a lot 1297 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,720 of things go because really, sadly for her, she seems to be 1298 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,080 really, really passionately in her love with her. 1299 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:30,960 Yeah, you do see a moment after they first have like Make Love 1300 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,480 and then they're in bed together afterwards and he's lying in the 1301 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,400 bed awake and he's weeping to himself. 1302 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,680 And you, you kind of get the, the, the moment there that to 1303 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,280 God, if I hadn't crossed the Rubicon and murdered two 1304 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,720 families a couple of months ago, and this is, and I, if I'd met 1305 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,880 this woman three months ago, I could, I, I, there might have 1306 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,960 been a future and I might have been able to suppress my ages 1307 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,160 and I might be able to live a life for her. 1308 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,480 But I've, I've fucked it for myself. 1309 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,240 And now, now I know what I have to do. 1310 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,200 I have to kill her next. And this is because this is all 1311 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,840 part of my becoming. And this is one of the many 1312 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,440 trials I would face before I became the the red dragon or 1313 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,320 whatever fucking mental shit you're probably thinking, you 1314 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,120 know, So you do see him wrestle with it a little bit. 1315 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:14,840 Yeah. And then we get to the. 1316 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,120 So now we're in the his, his house. 1317 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,960 And now we see it and it's really, it's just really it's 1318 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,680 lit in like secondary colours. It's like it's washed out purple 1319 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,040 and washed out green in composition with each other is 1320 01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,880 the lighting, which is, you know, as we described earlier, 1321 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,160 as Dante Spinotti said is like part of the colour sequence he 1322 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,800 had in mind for when things were off kilter, when there was 1323 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,120 emotional turmoil, when we're getting out, touching into like 1324 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,840 some of the crazy bits of his sort of psyche. 1325 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,800 And it just makes the the place look like something from a music 1326 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,520 video or something. It looks really odd. 1327 01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,720 It doesn't look like a real flat anymore. 1328 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,440 Yeah, and, and when in I got a Davina kicks in it just on the 1329 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,840 lines, the fact that everybody feels like a music video. 1330 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:03,200 Yeah, so then she gets really frightened and he's planning to 1331 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,440 start doing his kill, I guess, but it's interrupted just in 1332 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,920 time by the police and it just turns into an absolute mess. 1333 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,040 So he whips out a shotgun that he's had stashed nearby and just 1334 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,760 dispatches to the local law enforcement. 1335 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,200 Like I can't believe so that they're, they're on the way 1336 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,320 there. Ah, I've skipped a bit. 1337 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,920 So we're on the way there. We cut back to Jack Crawford and 1338 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,920 Wolverine, who were in a car racing to the scene. 1339 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,040 There's like 2 police prowlers racing to the scene with them in 1340 01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,880 and, and, and Jack is saying to, to will like you don't need to 1341 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,200 load like because he's loading a pistol in the front seat. 1342 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,680 So you don't need to like, like you don't need to load that. 1343 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,520 The SWAT team will to get him. The SWAT team will take him out. 1344 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,080 We don't need to, we'll hang back. 1345 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,080 You don't need to do that. But like Will's too deep into it 1346 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,640 now. He has to get involved himself 1347 01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,120 and he's, so he's the one like loading up his pistol like I'm 1348 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,720 going to, he's going to charge in there. 1349 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,720 So SWAT, I meant to be on the way. 1350 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,880 These guys arrive first start trying to do, and this is really 1351 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,560 bad. They kind of botched this, but 1352 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:57,880 they knew they're against the clock, I guess. 1353 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,720 So they're trying to raid the house and like all good sense 1354 01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,560 would dictate that they would probably they should wait until 1355 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,560 the squat are all lined up there ready. 1356 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,600 But because life is in grave and imminent danger, they've got a 1357 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:09,880 they've got a kick in the door, I guess. 1358 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,200 And that's, that's how those two there's two patrolmen get like 1359 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,040 get killed because they're not, they're not wearing adequate 1360 01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,080 body protection. They're not they're not up to 1361 01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,120 storm the entrance or anything. They just knock on the door and 1362 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,240 just get fucking shot. I mean with with way police 1363 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,400 equipment looked and like night and 86 wasn't it, the SWAT team 1364 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,680 likely wouldn't have had much in the way of like protection 1365 01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,760 anyway. Certainly not someone that a 12 1366 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:32,960 gauge would have wouldn't, wouldn't, wouldn't have mashed 1367 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,360 through. Yeah, they would have had like a 1368 01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,400 regular player vested, maybe a helmet or something. 1369 01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,080 They wouldn't have been like fully Kevlar. 1370 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,400 I mean, I mean, the best bit of, I mean, I don't even think at 1371 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:49,200 that time and, and I don't think like even that time, like a lot 1372 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,520 of SWAT teams were even using like ballistic, ballistic 1373 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,080 helmets and stuff like that. So yeah, when you look like old 1374 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,720 school photos of like Elliot Payday SWAT and stuff and he was 1375 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,520 like Ruga mini fourteens. And they've just got like just 1376 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:05,320 got like a kind of like black like tactical vest with like new 1377 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,120 armour in it. And it's and it's crazy compared 1378 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,160 to how you say just like the regular police now with like 1379 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,080 play carriers and all this. And it's like, but I guess times 1380 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,840 change. But yeah, it's again, this film 1381 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,160 Dodgers passed this idea that they mentioned the SWAT team in 1382 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,880 the film. Therefore the SWAT team is going 1383 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,480 to go in. It's Chekhov's gun that doesn't 1384 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,160 really get used the film when it promises the idea of the SWAT 1385 01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,160 team coming in and save the day. They don't appear. 1386 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,680 And once more, dodging past things that films want you to 1387 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,000 expect to happen. Yeah, it's really weird. 1388 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,200 Yeah. But this the sets up that will 1389 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,120 on his own is going to enter the property and and try and take 1390 01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,800 him out and he he gets in there. There's a really weird bit where 1391 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,400 a fridge full of food gets spilt on the floor, like milk and 1392 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,760 tomatoes and other bits of produce and they get and they 1393 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,880 get shot with a shotgun and explodes. 1394 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:02,720 Yes, very, very cinema. Absolute cinema. 1395 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,960 Just what is that? Yeah. 1396 01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,560 Graymlin just through a window, is subdued by Dolla Hyde, who 1397 01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,080 retrieved a shotgun, shoots 2 police officers, injuries. 1398 01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,880 Crawford wounded in the firefight. 1399 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,480 Dolla Hood returns to the kitchen where he's killed by 1400 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,200 Graham. And then we could to them being 1401 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,200 outside with Reba, Graham and Crawford or getting tended to by 1402 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,479 paramedics. Weirdly, Graham is hugging Reba. 1403 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,760 Yeah. And then Reba asks who are you? 1404 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,200 And then he. And then he says. 1405 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,399 And then instead of saying like what you would say in reality, 1406 01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,479 which is I'm a policeman, I've just rescued you from this guy. 1407 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,560 I'm, I'm the FBI, you know, kind of thing. 1408 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,240 He goes, I'm William Graham and like, well, who the fuck is 1409 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,720 William Graham? The the. 1410 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,160 Guy with the crackers. I'm the guy, but the crack has 1411 01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:51,479 bars. Brilliant. 1412 01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,800 Yeah, and obviously he said it for us. 1413 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,520 So we understand that he's no longer in the mind of Francis 1414 01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,200 Dollar Hydra. He's no longer in the mind of 1415 01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:01,920 Hannibal Lecter, and he's found himself again. 1416 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,680 I get it. He's cured himself with mental 1417 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,760 illness. No, but like, But yeah, it just 1418 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,840 comes across as a bit corny. It does come across as corny, 1419 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,920 but again, this is the film once again, subvert and the tropes 1420 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,200 and stuff because you expect the feds come to the rescue. 1421 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,040 Show FBIFBI. It's OK, I'm an FBI agent. 1422 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,240 Or just like Will Graham, FBI. And he pops out his badge even 1423 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,560 though she can't see it, but he does anyway because it's like an 1424 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,439 impulse, second instinct. And yeah, so again, it's another 1425 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,960 thing that doesn't feel like a typical serial killer cop 1426 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,960 thriller, you know? Think of this film we've been 1427 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,120 made ten years later. I'd be interested in watching 1428 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,040 The Science of the Lambs and compare the ending of those 1429 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,439 films. Bear in mind there's a lot of 1430 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,800 FBI in that film. There's a lot of FBI 1431 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,040 iconography. There's training sequences. 1432 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:46,279 There's an award ceremony at the end of it with the FBI. 1433 01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,240 There's a lot of FBI iconography in that film. 1434 01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,319 There's none of it in this film. It'd be interesting to see, to 1435 01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:52,640 compare. This will be made ten years 1436 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,240 later. This, this crime scene would be 1437 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,200 crawling with, it'd be like Blues and twos everywhere. 1438 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,520 It'd be cordoned off. They'd be like a police 1439 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,080 helicopter with a spotlight hovering over the property. 1440 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,840 Yeah. Flashing down to it, there'd be 1441 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,920 food like erectors, there'd be a shit, sort of like you'd see 1442 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,240 like the tenting put up by the the CSI team. 1443 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,080 They they'd be doing all that. Yeah, you'd have, you'd have, 1444 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,920 you'd have an FBIHRT running up and like multiple fucking M raps 1445 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,440 and stuff. There'd be people in the 1446 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,840 background getting interviewed by cops and stuff who are 1447 01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,080 witnesses and that kind of thing, just to show activity in 1448 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,760 the background. You'd get so much more, yeah, 1449 01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,440 Stuff you'd see the militarised way of like the law enforcement 1450 01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:33,920 descend on the property, wouldn't you? 1451 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,200 To like, clean it? Clean it was from Element. 1452 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,840 Actually I've gone anachronistic because 10, because if this film 1453 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,840 was made, like I said, 10 years later you have FIHRT turning up 1454 01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,000 and like fucking black painted M113 Apcs or something like 1455 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,800 that, wouldn't you? And then if it was made today, 1456 01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,920 the turnip and those M wraps and stuff. 1457 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,880 There's big mine resistant ambush proof vehicles probably. 1458 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,360 Probably a director, Kash Patel would turn up himself and give 1459 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,200 people really cringe challenge codings with skulls on them. 1460 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:05,760 Jesus Christ, I watched Slight Side here, but we're at the end 1461 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,920 of the movie now, so I think we can do it. 1462 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:11,320 I watched, I watched the new Drew Carnahan movie The RIP last 1463 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:17,000 night, which Joe Carnahan for fans of the podcast directed and 1464 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,440 wrote Smokiness and he wrote and directed this as well, The RIP. 1465 01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:22,400 It's the new movie with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. 1466 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,520 And that movie has, as a major plot point, an MRAP vehicle, 1467 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,440 yeah, being being used for the latter half of the film. 1468 01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,760 There's a lot of armoured personal transport stuff going 1469 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,960 on in that film. Not a good movie, by the way. 1470 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,200 And I'm looking forward to us talking about it because you 1471 01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,680 will have some serious opinions about weapon handling. 1472 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,240 There's like, there's the DA in it, as well as the free agency 1473 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,680 that's involved. And yeah, just not good. 1474 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,280 FBI's in it as well. So we'll talk about all these 1475 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,800 tropes. So, like, that has got it all. 1476 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,000 Everyone's in a windbreaker, you know, everyone's got play 1477 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,000 protective on, everyone's got like the free letter of thing on 1478 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,400 there. And there's one guy who's I 1479 01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,120 think is meant to be, oh, Jesus Christ, I think it's might be a 1480 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,520 good guy who's got the little Duke tread of me. 1481 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:06,640 Fucking snake is a patch on his Jesus Christ man. 1482 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,920 Proceeds to tread on people. Yeah, don't tread on me proceeds 1483 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,920 to step it's I've got a lot of goodwill for for Mike David and 1484 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,400 Ben Affleck. I saw what you did there. 1485 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,640 Goodwill hunting for it. Yeah, this is not one of the the 1486 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,920 good ones, unfortunately, but interesting. 1487 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,960 We should maybe talk about it. I may edit this out. 1488 01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,960 Just just just want to bring that movie up. 1489 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,360 Cool. And we've got any final points 1490 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,520 before we get into categories about this, this big Dang movie? 1491 01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:38,840 You must have a few or we haven't touched on. 1492 01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,240 The kind of get a little bit matter every time we've said 1493 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,720 lunar cycle. When I hear the phrase lunar 1494 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,600 cycle, I have this almost pathological impulse to mutter 1495 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,840 the phrase moon bike because there's a banging thriller from 1496 01:12:54,840 --> 01:13:01,200 1995 called Copycat featuring Sigourney Weaver, Holly Honda, 1497 01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,080 great performances in which is going to be my plays this like 1498 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:10,000 agoraphobic psychiatrist who was the victim of a serial killer 1499 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,040 who escaped and there's a new serial killer. 1500 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,800 Then I think it's in San Francisco. 1501 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,560 Who's who's who's hunting people And Holly Hunter said texts were 1502 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,160 investigating here and she gets a phone call at the station, 1503 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,760 gets a phone call and someone goes to Holly Hunter. 1504 01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,920 Oh, it's that crazy lady there who shunned the phone again. 1505 01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,480 She says the killers on a moon bike and Holly Hunt say, OK, you 1506 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:31,920 say it's on a moon bike. She was like, it's a lunar cycle 1507 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:37,720 and a SEC actually goes really hard and we should. 1508 01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,720 Yeah, we should say that I'm a big Holly Hunter fan. 1509 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,520 So yeah, definitely, definitely. It's it's just Sigourney, we've 1510 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,800 and Holly Hunter. It's a double act that you just 1511 01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,000 can't miss. Sonia, you got any observations? 1512 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,280 You've been fairly quiet for this one, probably because I've 1513 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,800 been talking a lot. Yeah, that might have something 1514 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,280 to do with it. Shade. 1515 01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:03,640 Oh, it's. Time coming in hot. 1516 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:09,600 Yes, no, I was, I was quiet on on the on the whole firearms 1517 01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,640 thing because of things discussed earlier which did not 1518 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,560 make it into the recording. Thank goodness. 1519 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:20,320 I did read up on the the filming bits on the on the Wikipedia 1520 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:25,000 article. We we had the bit with the 1521 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,680 aeroplane earlier where they basically bribed everyone with 1522 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,200 merge so they could just hijack a commercial fly to to film a 1523 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:37,240 scene in it. But like, I have no idea how 1524 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,840 how. Not really a great idea how 1525 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,240 practical full effects usually are achieved. 1526 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,960 But apparently they did a lot of random stuff for this film. 1527 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:53,440 Like apparently in the end they couldn't couldn't pick him off 1528 01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:56,800 the floor because they left him in the fake blood for so long 1529 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,000 and it was made with corn syrup and it dried. 1530 01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,800 They were just after basically spending half an hour getting 1531 01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,120 shot again and again it was and and being squirted with ketchup 1532 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,880 as well. Apparently he just stuck to the 1533 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,840 floor and couldn't couldn't get him off the floor again. 1534 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:20,600 Also apparently everyone on set didn't really said they were all 1535 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:25,520 kind of afraid of him and I feel like he might have. 1536 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,920 Everyone cited being uncomfortable around him made 1537 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:35,000 him avoid everyone even more. I feel like even might have made 1538 01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,440 it worse with that. I'm not sure I would let let 1539 01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:41,360 that count as a method acting. It probably helped in getting 1540 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,240 the the vibe across. Tell you what I mean, to me that 1541 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,880 does sound like a that does sound like good method acting 1542 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,280 and B it's certainly better than like the dog shit method acting 1543 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,060 the Jared Leto got infamous for when it was us being a bad Co 1544 01:15:56,060 --> 01:15:58,200 worker. Oh, I'm going to post some used. 1545 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,120 Condoms to you in the mail. That's the that's the fucking. 1546 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,760 That's terrorism, Jared. Terrorism. 1547 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,880 Stop it at that sake. The court sentenced you to be 1548 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,480 shot. The court sentenced you, 1549 01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,120 sentenced you to be freed, but you're career to be executed 1550 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,560 because that's fearsome and Charlito's career is kind of 1551 01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,320 dunzo at this point. Not even Morbius could save. 1552 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,440 Yeah, Morbius is one of the the death tolls. 1553 01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:26,480 Wasn't it Morbius and then everything is open since Tron 1554 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:30,280 Aries is is flops. Nobody stop putting him in 1555 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:31,400 movies. Nobody wants to see him. 1556 01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,280 He, he was, he was, he was in Tron Aries, which flopped 1557 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,200 despite having Gillian Anderson on the big screen in it. 1558 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:43,160 You know, that's so much of A box office, like just black 1559 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:44,760 cloud. The man is. 1560 01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,720 I think Pedro 2049 succeeded to spite him really, rather than 1561 01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,520 because of him, you know. Yeah, yeah. 1562 01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,880 Good God. Also, apparently they're just. 1563 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,800 Opinions on them And here go on. Apparently they're just randomly 1564 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,120 threw around glass jaws to simulate the effect of the 1565 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:08,600 gunfire in the house, which which managed to actually injure 1566 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:10,640 Peterson. You see, Apparently he was left 1567 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,640 with a Shard of glass embedded in his thigh. 1568 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,040 That would. That be fantastic. 1569 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:19,680 So we we don't have enough blank rounds, but we're just going to 1570 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,240 stick you with a bit of glass. That's a. 1571 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:24,680 For. Reasons. 1572 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,400 This apparently went a bit bit bit method as well. 1573 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:35,320 So he got so into the role of Will Graham, who himself was 1574 01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,480 getting so into the role of Francis Stella Hyde after the 1575 01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:43,120 movie raps Will Peter, someone who dyed his hair blonde, like 1576 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,120 shaved his face and just wanted to make himself look different. 1577 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,320 So we'd have to, like, he tells you, like draw a line between 1578 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:49,480 him and this role, you know, holy. 1579 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,880 Crap, yeah. It's amazing though. 1580 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,160 Yeah, it's good. Michael, Michael Mann certainly 1581 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,480 likes having his actors do the hard guards, don't they? 1582 01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:01,480 I mean, we of course talked about the the the rigours that 1583 01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:06,000 he put the two main guys from from collateral through 1584 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,280 dispatching Tom Cruise to work undercover as a FedEx Courier 1585 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,840 and having a Jamie Foxx drive in LA cab. 1586 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,080 So he really does, but he doesn't sound like it's one of 1587 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,120 these directors who who puts the cast through Hell, he might be. 1588 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,080 I haven't read enough on him, but he doesn't sound like one of 1589 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,720 these guys who are horrible to work with. 1590 01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,640 Like, I mean, I've heard Francis Ford couple. 1591 01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,520 I was like, legendarily painful to, you know, work for. 1592 01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,960 I like stunning Kubrick and stuff as well. 1593 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,240 Yeah, David Fincher does a lot of takes. 1594 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,920 So if you get on, if you get on with them, that's great. 1595 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,800 If you don't get on with that, then you're probably probably 1596 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:44,280 not going to enjoy it very much. He, he seemed, he seems to do 1597 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,200 all this without having these kind of tyrannical qualities 1598 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,280 that get some directors kind of infamous, you know? 1599 01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:53,920 He's got the credibility, I think. 1600 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,280 I think The thing is with man is that you're not. 1601 01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,720 You're not doing it because of some artists. 1602 01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,480 Unknowable perception of what they think the good bit of art 1603 01:19:01,480 --> 01:19:03,120 is. They're doing it because he has 1604 01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,680 a very technical mind. He wants to achieve a swimming 1605 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,600 in a technical manner. And you're going to do the work 1606 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,320 to make sure the thing gets the the outcome. 1607 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,080 But it's like something that you can quantify and measure. 1608 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,680 I think. Yeah, is is what is what the 1609 01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,760 difference is. Yeah, that's competence. 1610 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,200 That's competence. At the end of the day, it's 1611 01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,400 competence. And it's his his understanding 1612 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,560 that he's a real competent technician. 1613 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:27,200 He's he's an interesting mix of water and absolute technician. 1614 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,160 Yeah, that's, I think that's, that's really accurate. 1615 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:32,160 Should we take a break here for and then we'll come back into 1616 01:19:32,160 --> 01:20:30,570 some categories? Welcome back, right? 1617 01:20:30,570 --> 01:20:34,810 Let's get into the categories for this movie song with casting 1618 01:20:34,810 --> 01:20:38,240 as we usually do. Normally we kind of skip past 1619 01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,640 the main guys, but I think we'll have a quick counter through 1620 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,280 these guys because it isn't a star sort of picture, so to 1621 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,680 speak. William Peterson is plays our 1622 01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,320 guy Will Graham. He's one of the big hits that 1623 01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:52,160 I'm aware of to Live and Die in LA. 1624 01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,560 He did the year before. Another really good film that I 1625 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,320 think we'll probably end up covering this podcast at one 1626 01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,320 point in the future. He had a very small role as a 1627 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:04,760 bouncer in 1981's Michael Mann's movie Thief, and then he's 1628 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,720 Grissom in CSI. That's that seems like big, big 1629 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,880 credit. Dennis Varina is Jack Crawford. 1630 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,280 We love Dennis Varina. We talked to him about length, 1631 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,240 we talked about him a lot during Striking Distance, but he's 1632 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,040 fantastic. I didn't realise that he was a 1633 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:27,400 real cop for 18 years in the Chicago PD and was a detective 1634 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,040 before this, but that makes so much more sense. 1635 01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:35,240 And obviously he was in Miami Vice as well and starting Crime 1636 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,880 Story, his acting debut also in Thief in 981. 1637 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,960 And maybe we have to cover in January, January to come. 1638 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,680 Fantastic. Brian Cox we talked a bit about 1639 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,800 earlier on is touch the Hannibal Lecter famous to a lot of people 1640 01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,520 now is Logan Roy in succession, I suppose was his big recent 1641 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,760 comeback. But he's he's a guy who's been 1642 01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:00,480 acting consistently for decades now and it's just in stuff all 1643 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:01,920 the time. He's just a great character 1644 01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,760 actor, great character player. It would be almost offensive to 1645 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,080 go through his list of credits. He's been in everything from 1646 01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,800 Troy to Sharp. Yeah, yeah. 1647 01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,880 Great, great actor. Some of the greatest video game 1648 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:19,040 acting of all time in. Sons of daughters say it. 1649 01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:23,160 Sons and daughters of Hellgan, those are my people. 1650 01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,520 Sons and Daughters of Hellgan honestly might as role as a 1651 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,800 school of Azari in the film's opening cutscenes. 1652 01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,480 It's it, it's, it's, it's a speech that I'm obsessed with, 1653 01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,840 but it's literal chills. He's he just delivers it so 1654 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:42,160 well. My people, sons and daughters of 1655 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:48,040 Hell Gun, for many years we have been a broken nation. 1656 01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:53,800 Shunned, oppressed, and. Conquered by those we sought to 1657 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:58,960 escape 10 years ago. I asked for time. 1658 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,040 And that time was granted by you. 1659 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:08,400 You, the strength in my arm, the owners of my dreams. 1660 01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:13,680 This much? I've. 1661 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,280 I think he's fantastic. But what I like about Brian Cox 1662 01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,880 is that if you asked him about that film now or that game, he 1663 01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,000 probably wouldn't remember it. Yeah, that. 1664 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,720 Yeah that probably wouldn't remember it. 1665 01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,720 Ari Blake. I was the best hell gust 1666 01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,160 character in all of those cutscenes. 1667 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,840 The other Ragnars who did it were shit. 1668 01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,280 I was the best scholar Vasari in the entire thing. 1669 01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,680 Our enemies at home have been re educated. 1670 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,840 Fantastic. Smash cut to people getting 1671 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,920 doomed in the. Back of their head so good. 1672 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,280 2024, he was in The Lord of the Rings, the Warth of Raheem. 1673 01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:55,520 There's helm hammer hand. That's pretty cool, you know, to 1674 01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,680 helm hammer hand. My boy. 1675 01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,160 Helm, Hammer, hand. Over here in Bros up there. 1676 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,080 Yeah, Great, fantastic actor. Fantastic. 1677 01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,560 I just looked at these. He's known for IMDb and 1678 01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,560 actually, yeah, Succession Troy adaptation as well. 1679 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,760 Of course, he plays the famous author and adaptation. 1680 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,800 Yeah, fantastic, great stuff. Kim Grace, I mentioned earlier 1681 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,040 on is Molly Graham. She don't even worked with mine 1682 01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,120 before on that one episode of Mommy Vice which I was going to 1683 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,760 bring up. Classic Miami Vice Thing is your 1684 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,320 boy Crockett gets gets into a love affair with a woman that 1685 01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:31,080 lasts for one episode reasons. For whatever reason they can't 1686 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:32,760 be together anymore by the end of it. 1687 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,200 That pretty much happened on this one. 1688 01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,000 She's also in Brazil I mentioned earlier on as well. 1689 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,000 Cool thing about this one is that this the Miami Vice we've 1690 01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,760 talked about before. Pretty much every episode of 1691 01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:45,200 Miami Vice at some point has a protracted long model montage 1692 01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,120 set to a popular bit of music from the time it started in the 1693 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,880 very first episode within air tonight by Phil Collins. 1694 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:53,800 We talked about it last week when we talked about Bruce 1695 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,200 McGill and his one which was proposed in arms by Dire 1696 01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,280 Straits. Well, Kim Griese's montage is to 1697 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,440 the song Heartbeat by Red 7. And wouldn't you know, the song 1698 01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:07,960 that ends this very movie is Heartbeat by by by Red 7 as 1699 01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:09,720 well, also with Kim Griese in the frame. 1700 01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,160 So yeah, we'll mention that. Sure, that's maybe a needle drop 1701 01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,640 more than a casting, but considering she did such little 1702 01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,800 else work, it's probably worth mentioning she was in. 1703 01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:19,360 She was in an episode of The X-Files as well. 1704 01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,720 June Allen, right? June Allen is a again, another 1705 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,280 popular American character actor that will see in a lot of stuff. 1706 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,880 Probably most known to guys watching this podcast for being 1707 01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,480 in the Bourne movies as the handler. 1708 01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:38,200 He's trying to track down Jason Bourne in those. 1709 01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,040 What else? You know June Allen from Guys, 1710 01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,760 but she was in the 2008 remake of Death Race 2000s, just called 1711 01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,680 Death Race. Holy shit, that's that's neat. 1712 01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:49,440 That's the Jason Statham one. Right. 1713 01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:51,840 Yeah, that's Jason Statham. Yeah, didn't see that coming. 1714 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,520 Lizzy's story she was in, which is an update. 1715 01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,280 Yet another Stephen King adaptation. 1716 01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:57,040 Yeah. Wow. 1717 01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,480 She was in The Killing of the Bourne Legacy luck, which I 1718 01:25:59,480 --> 01:26:02,800 think is a Steven Soderbergh produced thing. 1719 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,560 Pretty cool. We all may all know her as the 1720 01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,880 voice of Delphine from The Elder Scrolls 5 Skyrim. 1721 01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,000 I think her character looks a bit like her as well. 1722 01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,080 Jesus. Wow. 1723 01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. What else we got here? 1724 01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,120 Yes, obviously. All those Bourne movies. 1725 01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:25,800 Pleasantville. Do you remember Pleasantville? 1726 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:30,240 She was Eve Archer and Face Off. Yeah, face off. 1727 01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:31,280 Big one there. Cool. 1728 01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,800 Stephen Lang, we talked, I talked a little bit about 1729 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,760 earlier on. So Stephen Lang is most famous 1730 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,120 now at the minute, probably still in the cinemas for the 1731 01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,440 Avatar movies. So obviously our fire now she's 1732 01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,920 the orcas high pool American military bad guy. 1733 01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,560 Who then? I've not been watching these 1734 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:45,880 movies. I watched the first one when it 1735 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:47,600 came out. I take it now that he's now also 1736 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,640 one of the cat people. I don't know. 1737 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,600 And so maybe it's a voice performance from Stephen Lang 1738 01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,960 now, not sure, but he's making some good money off it. 1739 01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:55,040 He was in that movie. Too. 1740 01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:56,760 Well, sorry, he's down this plane, Quartic. 1741 01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,280 And so I guess he's like just right, kind of. 1742 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,520 Yeah. He played courage in in the way 1743 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,600 of water. So that that's, that's Colonel 1744 01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,640 coffee cup, right? That's, that's, that's, that's 1745 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,040 the bad guy from the first one, yeah. 1746 01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,720 Yeah, yeah. So, so he gets yeah. 1747 01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,560 So what happens? I think he gets shot up at the 1748 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,920 end of the first one, right? Yeah, yes, that's right. 1749 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,080 And I, and I think the US, this is mental. 1750 01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,760 He I don't even know it's the US Is it the earth, the sky people, 1751 01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,120 military have their own way of making cat people. 1752 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:28,160 Obviously that's how they made Jake Sully in that one. 1753 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:30,240 They do this so to save his life. 1754 01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,760 They put his consciousness into a Big Blue cat person body, 1755 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,000 right? Right. 1756 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,600 Gotcha. Think I spoilers for fucking 1757 01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,080 avatar. I think that's what's happening 1758 01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,160 and then think think I don't. I've been watching them so don't 1759 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,960 come up with Jimmy Cams but but James Cameron. 1760 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,280 But I think I think what's going to be happening in these next 1761 01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,000 two movies is like he's going to be reconciling himself as I'm a 1762 01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,720 giant cat person now, but I'm also like this horrible, 1763 01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:02,000 terrible racist inside. Do I do I am IA coloniser, am IA 1764 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,000 white coloniser or my Big Blue cat person. 1765 01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,920 I just don't know anymore. I just don't know is. 1766 01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:10,120 Is is the galaxy's first self hidden cat person. 1767 01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,120 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's a deconstruction 1768 01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,200 of the white saviour archetype, which the film also happens to 1769 01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,160 have because fucking Sam Weatherton is the white saviour 1770 01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,480 archetype. You know he's the he's the left 1771 01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:23,720 headed fucking Jordan bar of the movie to make it Dances with 1772 01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:27,920 Walls comparison. How wild is it in hindsight that 1773 01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,720 like, I mean, you've seen the memes about this and what's 1774 01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,800 happened recently in geopolitical news and national 1775 01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,800 security, etcetera, that when when that card I ran avatars and 1776 01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,440 reduces like, oh, I see you're fought in the war in Venezuela. 1777 01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:42,480 That was some tough Bush. It's like, wow. 1778 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,920 Yeah. So like, so like. 1779 01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,960 It suggests that America has been involved. 1780 01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,960 Sorry, Space, America, Earth has been involved in a war in 1781 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:54,440 Venezuela for a bit more than a century at that point. 1782 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,920 Tough Bush indeed. This is an incredible way to do 1783 01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,280 our podcast because the rates, the sheer rates of the news 1784 01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,640 cycle is like we can be talking about Venezuela this week. 1785 01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,280 We could publish this thing. It's going to get published in 1786 01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:08,200 about a week and 1/2 right By the time this is published, fuck 1787 01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,960 me man. Like Minnesota could be fucking 1788 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:15,560 part of Canada. Like, like I could have been 1789 01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,680 caught up to serve on the Greenland front lines. 1790 01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:22,680 Like, you know, And then odd, odd secret third thing none of 1791 01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:29,160 us saw coming. Just just fucking smash cut to a 1792 01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:33,520 close up of a busted up laptop in an apartment somewhere. 1793 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,240 We're playing on it camera. Camera pulls out to see that the 1794 01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,840 entirety of the building is destroyed and we're looking down 1795 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,600 on a ruined St of some nondescript city and there's 1796 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,440 fucking mushroom clouds off in the in in the fire and. 1797 01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:48,920 It's the ink spots. I don't want to set the wall on 1798 01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:52,360 fire. Yes, as we pull out war. 1799 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:57,120 War never changes. Simply fucking intensifies and 1800 01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,280 duplicates. Jesus Christ. 1801 01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,680 So Stephen Lang's top 4 is Avatar, Avatar, The Way of War, 1802 01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:08,320 Don't Breathe, where he plays the old blind man in our house 1803 01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,960 that's being home invaded, but turns out he's the real threat. 1804 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:12,720 I think is the store on that one. 1805 01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:18,040 I'm not home Centre Manhunter. We talk about Tombstone. 1806 01:30:18,440 --> 01:30:22,080 He's in Sisu Road to Revenge. I need to watch those movies. 1807 01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,720 Yeah, they look bad. They look they are very 1808 01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,600 unserious. Yes. 1809 01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:28,720 On series good. On series bad. 1810 01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:35,640 Entertaining on series. OK, great, great character 1811 01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,320 actor. I was expecting just scrolling 1812 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,000 for this. Expecting a lot more westerns 1813 01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:40,920 from some of him. He has a return. 1814 01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,520 He's right. He's he does one of our famous 1815 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,280 favourites A clearing present dudes thing here. 1816 01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,960 He plays a president who was known as the president in the 1817 01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,480 cast in a series of movies called Rogue Warfare. 1818 01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:54,280 He's in Rogue Warfare, Rogue Warfare 2, The Hunt, Rogue 1819 01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,440 Warfare, Death of a Nation, all these movies. 1820 01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,920 Two of them were made in 2019. One of them was made in 2020. 1821 01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,280 So back-to-back filming as the president. 1822 01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:07,200 Incredible. .5 stars on letterbox The 2019 Rogue 1823 01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,720 Warfare. This is the one, yeah. 1824 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. A group of the best military 1825 01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,320 personnel from the US, Russia, UK, China and France to enforce 1826 01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:16,880 us to find underground terrorist networks. 1827 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,160 So basically a shit version of Rainbow 6. 1828 01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,680 And what the fuck I can't believe, sorry half a star. 1829 01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,120 I can't believe there were two sequels to this. 1830 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,320 The only way I could imagine this being any worse is if 1831 01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,640 everyone dressed up as Hitler and started doing impressions of 1832 01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:35,280 people with cerebral palsy. In what world? 1833 01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,760 God, in what world would an international counterterrorism 1834 01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,400 task force be manned by an entire squad of bumble fucks who 1835 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,520 don't like each other, have never trained together, Not 1836 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,560 have, sorry, no, have even ever fucking met the blonde. 1837 01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,320 Monotony makes time slow to an infinite crawl. 1838 01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,920 The plot is so cookie cut out that you can mistake it for a 1839 01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,000 bakery. The villain is so toothless that 1840 01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,280 a newborn is more threatening. I've seen plenty of bad war 1841 01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,880 movies, but even they can be slightly absolved thanks to 1842 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:06,080 decent acting, action, or even my eye adherence is the basic 1843 01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,680 military protocol brackets. Unsurprisingly, they can't even 1844 01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:10,800 do that. Close brackets. 1845 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,200 I know I shouldn't be getting bent out of shape over things 1846 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,400 like that, but it's hard not to harp on it when the rest of the 1847 01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:19,120 movie is so all caps boring. I couldn't even make it halfway 1848 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:22,440 before I felt like a grizzly bear on speed had been Jack 1849 01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:24,520 fucking my skull. One more time. 1850 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,120 I couldn't even make it halfway before I felt like a grizzly 1851 01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,360 bear on speed had been Jack fucking my skull. 1852 01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,720 I needed to read that out again. It was a beautiful line. 1853 01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,680 Anyway, this sucks. Heed my warning. 1854 01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:39,320 Don't bother with it. Bars. 1855 01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,040 Hold up Aaron's writing Is this fire? 1856 01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,400 Thank you, Aaron. Black box for. 1857 01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,000 People who often zone out during these things. 1858 01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,160 That was the film Rogue Warfare that we are not covering on this 1859 01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:51,920 board together. Yeah, fucking one star. 1860 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,320 One star. All I can see is I finished the 1861 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:59,200 film without turning it off. Pretty high praise, yeah. 1862 01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,880 Assuming lying. Also just to wrap him up is also 1863 01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,680 in the Michael Mann movie Public Enemies as well which is the the 1864 01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,360 one about John Dillinger which I haven't seen since it came out 1865 01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,400 because it has Johnny Zepp in and he does my head in. 1866 01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,920 Right. Cool. 1867 01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,720 Should we got some trivia for for this movie? 1868 01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,360 I I just want to do a little bit of crew and rather than casting. 1869 01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:23,400 Yes, please. Sorry. 1870 01:33:23,400 --> 01:33:24,560 Yeah, we talked about this. Yeah. 1871 01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,080 Because I looked a little bit into the work of the films. 1872 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,880 Cinematographer the the director of photography. 1873 01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:34,200 Who's the name of just fucking? Dante Spinotti. 1874 01:33:35,480 --> 01:33:39,280 Yes, so my initial wonders looked in at this guy saying did 1875 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,600 he did he did he work on any jello films that were then like 1876 01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:46,280 the main Jello guys? It didn't, but his his film work 1877 01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,560 in like the Italian film industry. 1878 01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:51,120 He's done some off killed off strange stuff. 1879 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,120 He's done a lot of comedies and stuff, which I'll find wild, but 1880 01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:58,520 out of the films he's done that have English language Wikipedia 1881 01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:02,360 entries. I love how just sparse these 1882 01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,400 descriptions are these super the answer. 1883 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:09,200 Disobedience is 1981 Italian drama film directed by Aldo 1884 01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:10,640 Laro. It's based on a novel of the 1885 01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,720 same name written by Alberto Moravia. 1886 01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,480 We go to its plot, the adventures of Luca Manzi, a 1887 01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:18,800 teenager living in Northern Italy during wartime. 1888 01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,880 Luca Manzi is a 14 year old boy. When the fascists govern the 1889 01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,760 Northern Italy Republic of Salo, he becomes a partisan. 1890 01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:27,480 But when the war ends, he's disappointed because things have 1891 01:34:27,480 --> 01:34:30,200 not changed as he'd hoped they would, and he decides to let 1892 01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,160 himself die. He is saved by Edith, who tries 1893 01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,080 to introduce him to sex. Tries. 1894 01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,600 Tries. That's the whole of the plot 1895 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,000 section on the English language wiki. 1896 01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,880 I bet the Italian language wiki has like 17 paragraphs and it's 1897 01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,560 all really who tries to introduce him to sex. 1898 01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:47,440 She gives it the old college try. 1899 01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,960 Concerned that she's only 14 minutes happening as well. 1900 01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,120 Yeah, the dark side of love The dark side of love Italian photo 1901 01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,880 Grafando Patrizia. I'm sorry for doing this when I 1902 01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,920 speak Italian by the way, for those who are the main I'm I'm 1903 01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,480 doing Italian pinch finger thing. 1904 01:35:03,480 --> 01:35:07,040 I'm so fucking sorry. Photo Grafandio Patrizia is a 1905 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,840 1984 Italian erotic romantic drama film written and directed 1906 01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:15,040 by Salvatore Sampere. The film, which has a scabrous 1907 01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,080 main theme, was an incest between a sister and a poor 1908 01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:21,240 obsessed brother, was a box office success. 1909 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,440 It's just. It's just a scripture that comes 1910 01:35:26,440 --> 01:35:29,160 at you from multiple angles at the same time. 1911 01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:33,320 I've got the legend of the holy drinker. 1912 01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:36,400 Italian La Liganda dos Santo Bevitore. 1913 01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:38,160 I love. Bevitore is drinker. 1914 01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:39,400 That's me. It's like warrior. 1915 01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,040 You're a piss head. No brother, I'm a hellraiser 1916 01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,160 now. It's no brother, I'm a bevitore. 1917 01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:48,600 It's a 1988 Italian film written and directed by Amano Almi. 1918 01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:57,520 A drunken homeless man, Rukahawa in Paris is LED 200 francs by a 1919 01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,600 stranger as long as he promises to repair to a local church 1920 01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:04,840 where he could afford to. The film depicts the mods 1921 01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,040 constant frustrations as he attempts to do so. 1922 01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:09,720 That sounds actually really good. 1923 01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:11,920 Doesn't it? And just this last one, this 1924 01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,160 crazy thing. Fair game. 1925 01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:19,280 Italian Mamba is a 19 is a 1988 Italian thriller horror film 1926 01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,080 written directed by Mario Orfini. 1927 01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:25,080 After being dumped by his girlfriend Eva, who was tired of 1928 01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:29,160 his unrelentingly negative and sexist attitude, Dean decides to 1929 01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:33,000 take revenge by killing her with a mamba venomous snake, into 1930 01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,920 which she also injected hormones to increase its aggressiveness. 1931 01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,080 The film bombed at the Italian box office, crossed a goodly 1932 01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:49,120 539.5 million lira. It was distributed in 36 foreign 1933 01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:54,560 countries. 539,000,000 lira, which is about £20 in the pound 1934 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,800 period. Yeah, mad mad shit. 1935 01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,040 These these little stories here, these like snippets of these 1936 01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:06,400 film are just crazy to me and I just found that very 1937 01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,200 entertaining. Can I ask you a question or two? 1938 01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,600 I think I'm doing it. It's devil's advocate for all 1939 01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,800 listeners, but also because I don't really know because I 1940 01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,120 looked at it once and I forgot about it. 1941 01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:19,280 When we talk about Jello movies, what what is the what are the 1942 01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,440 hallmarks of a jello movie? And why does the movie about the 1943 01:37:22,440 --> 01:37:25,160 14 year olds attempting to have sex with somebody not count? 1944 01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:29,040 So it sounds to me like more of like a drama kind of post war 1945 01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:32,240 kind of exploration of like exploration of romance. 1946 01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:37,360 I guess Jello films have these more kind of like abstract. 1947 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,440 We had crazy plots. They have they have certain 1948 01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:42,000 tropes that kind of a bite to like it's about the psychosexual 1949 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,000 violence against women. You have elements that you have 1950 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,760 like the idea of like masked killers. 1951 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,560 You have tropes like close-ups on gloved hands and shit like 1952 01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,520 that. Extreme violence mixed with 1953 01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,440 weirdly jarring, sometimes fun and playful and jazzy music. 1954 01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:59,120 One, one comment I read on analysis of the music used in 1955 01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,040 Jello films is that you can watch a film where a woman's 1956 01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,600 being slowly decapitated and there's a jazz piano in the 1957 01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:06,640 background. The idea that like they use 1958 01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:10,160 these very stylish leads, There's lots of like, kind of 1959 01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:14,960 like the film's gears kind of like lands upon like the fashion 1960 01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,520 and the way these characters are dressed. 1961 01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:22,440 That's kind of a big thing. It is visual and surface level 1962 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,920 and there's lots of like storytelling with like pull out 1963 01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:32,240 schemes and stuff like that so that that that particular boy 1964 01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:35,760 becomes a partisan. Hopefully he becomes of age when 1965 01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:37,760 the lady attempts introducing the sex. 1966 01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,680 Doesn't sound like a jello because it sounds a bit deeper. 1967 01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,560 Like a lot of jello is a very Helix surface level kind of 1968 01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,400 thing at times. Yeah, there you go. 1969 01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,280 I think like the most jello sounding 1 is probably that one 1970 01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:53,160 with the scabrous relationship between the incestuous brother 1971 01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,160 and sister. Or maybe the one when the when 1972 01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,600 when the guy's porn addicted guna and kills his girlfriend 1973 01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,520 with a mamba. However, the Wikipedia doesn't 1974 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,120 call them specifically jello films. 1975 01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,240 It might be time for me to do a deep dive. 1976 01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:11,040 But beyond clear and present jelloists were clear and present 1977 01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,000 dudes. OK, Yeah, right. 1978 01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:16,160 Should we do some trivia for the movie Manhunter? 1979 01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:18,800 Please. OK. 1980 01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,800 So this was a box office bomb. We talked about that already. 1981 01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:27,280 So it was a $15 million budget. It made a box office 8.6 1982 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,240 million. So it took a big loss just on 1983 01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,000 its original budget, not even marketing and so on. 1984 01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,640 This is the first adaptation novel of Red Dragon and it was 1985 01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,840 one of several busts for producer Dino De Laurentiis. 1986 01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,760 So context for him listen on this particular trivia mentions 1987 01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:46,320 Maximum OverDrive, which is the Stephen King directed and 1988 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:50,000 written movie about the trucks that become sentient because of 1989 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,360 a meteor. And that's insane. 1990 01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,560 Just cocaine. If it was a movie, Stephen. 1991 01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,640 King, you spoke too hard. You're pitched apart. 1992 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,520 You're sparked too different. They'll kill you. 1993 01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,320 Stephen King. Yeah, not silver yet. 1994 01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:05,800 Very really not silver yet. Very. 1995 01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,680 Much form as the movie what's not this is here but definitely 1996 01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,920 comes as June from 984. Those who were part of this this 1997 01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:17,720 path of teams or low enters, was it him or was it his daughter 1998 01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:19,680 actually produced that one? But it's a De Lorean to his 1999 01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:20,800 production anyway. Yeah. 2000 01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,320 So De Laurentiis sold the sequel rights to Orion for like a 2001 01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,720 pittance, practically nothing. And then putting, you know, five 2002 01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:31,840 years later, science alarms, freaking humongous success, 5 2003 01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:35,160 Oscars, just like ridiculous. So yeah, interesting. 2004 01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:37,320 We've already mentioned some of the expert castings. 2005 01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,320 So that vet and the tiger scenes are real vet and Dennis Rena is 2006 01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:44,320 a real cop Incredibly awesome. It's like they might have 2007 01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,760 pulled, sorry, it looks like they might have pulled real cops 2008 01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:48,960 in to play the SWAT team because they notice it was a bunch of 2009 01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:52,240 guys just creditors, officer, etcetera. 2010 01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:56,800 Bunch of dudes with credits whose name included the title 2011 01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,360 officer. So I wonder if Michael Mann in 2012 01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:02,480 his kind of quest for quest for realism, just like took on like 2013 01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,160 a bunch of cops to play the play like the SWAT team for like the 2014 01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,360 attempt to capture scene when he when he accidentally mugs a guy. 2015 01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,920 Because again, it seems like Michael Mann realism and 2016 01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,680 attentionally did ill, but I can't see any confirmation of it 2017 01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,720 on the Internet. Which, yes, no, yeah, I just 2018 01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:20,600 want to spread misinformation. But it's certainly possible, 2019 01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:21,560 isn't it? Yeah. 2020 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:26,320 This movie in France, it's French title translates to The 2021 01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,400 6th Sense. So if you are French and you're 2022 01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,560 trying to watch the M Knight Chalaman movie The 6th Sense, 2023 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:36,640 you may find yourself watching Manhunter instead, which is 2024 01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,200 quite fun. Parisa backlash Brian Cox has 2025 01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,640 never regretted playing this role but he has expressed 2026 01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:44,960 disdain to how the characters become idolised and it's true as 2027 01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,360 an anti hero by both fans and the official media. 2028 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,560 To him, how to look there is very much a monster and remains 2029 01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:51,800 a monster. That's interesting. 2030 01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,920 Jesus. This one's quite quaint. 2031 01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:58,240 Tom Noonan began bodybuilding in preparation for his role because 2032 01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,400 he wanted to be a bit buff, because he thought the size of 2033 01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:02,520 him intimidated people. And that's how you should be 2034 01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:04,280 perceived. I think if you were anybody in a 2035 01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:06,920 movie nowadays, and you're going to have to get your shirt off, 2036 01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:10,000 you're expected to be like Jack. Yeah, I haven't seen that. 2037 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,560 I haven't seen a normal shirtless body in film as long 2038 01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,920 as I can remember. Yeah, and the the guy who plays 2039 01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:22,560 the truth fairy in the Hannibal TV series is Swole Ears, ears, 2040 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,760 ears ripped. The dude's got some fucking back 2041 01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:29,040 gains. Dude's backspiration man TomTom 2042 01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,000 Noonan. Like he's the kind of guy who he 2043 01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:33,960 looks like he doesn't even need lift because he's like right 2044 01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,200 there is there is a phenomenon of men who were tall think in 2045 01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:41,520 the heart just because the tall know what I mean, and it's 2046 01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:43,520 obviously not the case because I mean, I once saw this like big 2047 01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,000 like fucking 6 foot four guy on an eye out and two and get 2048 01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,480 dismantled by the sake fucking 5 foot 5 Raji. 2049 01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:52,960 But TomTom Newland looks double hard and probably would even 2050 01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,200 even without like having to train, you know? 2051 01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:00,040 Absolutely. Another Tom Newman, in fact, is 2052 01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,840 into the shooting. Michael Mann initially had 2053 01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:07,080 Francis Dollahyde have a ginormous tattoo of a red dragon 2054 01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,280 on his chest and back. Yeah. 2055 01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,600 So they filmed a shit tonne of stuff with this ginormous chest 2056 01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,920 and back piece on on Tom Noonan. And then he decided during the 2057 01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,680 shooting that actually I prefer it without because I guess it's 2058 01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:22,000 like an implies confidence in abilities to operate in public 2059 01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:24,720 for a man to go off and get like a ginormous chest and back 2060 01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,800 piece, which is a bit cool and edgy. 2061 01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:31,120 And I guess this guy is in his own life, a bit of a quiet 2062 01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:33,960 reserved nerd and is a bit anti social. 2063 01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:35,960 So they thought it would be weird from to actually have 2064 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,960 that, so they they removed that from the movie. 2065 01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,360 There's another thing that they didn't do, which is in the book, 2066 01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:45,560 which is whilst he's struggling with his new found love 2067 01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,880 relationship with Reba, the character tries to get rid of 2068 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,000 his tendencies by finding the painting he's obsessed with. 2069 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,160 He's obsessed with Pulliam Blake's painting of the red 2070 01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:56,160 dragon and the woman bathed in gold. 2071 01:43:56,160 --> 01:44:00,960 So not something it's called. And it goes to the the museum 2072 01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:04,120 where the painting's been displayed and steals it and eats 2073 01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:08,360 it. Yeah, I think it totally works. 2074 01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:11,760 He doesn't like to be beheld by people unless it's in his that 2075 01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,040 kind of specific way that he wants to be seen by them. 2076 01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,720 So to like sit through what multiple multiple hours of 2077 01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:21,920 tattoo work to get like a back and chess piece wouldn't feel 2078 01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:26,040 within within his within his like kind of characters 2079 01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,200 motivations and the way he thinks and acts. 2080 01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:32,040 So very good call. I've got some casting trivia 2081 01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:36,240 that I didn't go through, but so one of the FBI texts is played 2082 01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:38,440 by Chris Elliott. Do you know Chris Elliott? 2083 01:44:38,440 --> 01:44:41,560 Is Cabin Boy You familiar with the movie Cabin Boy? 2084 01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:43,880 I am not. He is right. 2085 01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:45,880 What else is he? He was an SNL guy. 2086 01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:49,360 He was also in He's the cameraman in Groundhog Day. 2087 01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,160 He's annoying Phil Connors all the time. 2088 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,920 So he's this comedy actor and he he played, he was in this famous 2089 01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,120 flop called Cabin Boy I employ. Chris Elliott, yes, I've, I've 2090 01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:03,800 just pulled him up and yes, yeah, he is an eternal that guy. 2091 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,680 Yeah, so he's he's in it. So that's that's not very weird. 2092 01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:09,200 There's some other casting what could have been. 2093 01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:13,000 So Brian Cox was not the first choice for Hannibal Lecter. 2094 01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:16,200 Brian Denny was in the loop to play Hannibal Lecter, and he was 2095 01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,120 the one who recommended Brian Cox to the production. 2096 01:45:19,480 --> 01:45:22,760 So Brian Denny and Rambo, first blood, very big imposing guy. 2097 01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,600 Normally plays a big cop or something and stuff. 2098 01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,200 Yeah. So he's he's he was in there. 2099 01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,080 Other people on the list to play Halibut Lecter in this movie. 2100 01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:35,040 Bruce Stern, Don Lithgow, who was Jonathan Denny's also second 2101 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,480 choice for the role but didn't get selected. 2102 01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:41,080 Monty Patinkin as well. Holy crap. 2103 01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:44,680 And then also Michael Mann considered and this is my 2104 01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:46,520 favourite 1. Michael Mann also considered 2105 01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:51,040 William Friedkin to do the acting as Could you imagine that 2106 01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:52,720 William Friedkin? Holy crap. 2107 01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,680 So that's William Friedkin, director of the Exorcist and 2108 01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:01,920 cruising is is the real life, I think is the real life 2109 01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:05,160 inspiration for Garth Morengi like. 2110 01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,080 No doubt. Fantastic. 2111 01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:11,160 For the role of Will Graham, the studio really wanted Don Johnson 2112 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,320 to play him. I don't think that will work, in 2113 01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,720 my personal opinion, but he was obviously on his high from being 2114 01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,520 in the the sensation that is Miami Vice. 2115 01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:26,760 And the role of Sonny Crockett is also kind of similar in the 2116 01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:28,920 sense that he's like an underground, an undercover cop. 2117 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,440 He's struggling with becoming too undercover and losing track 2118 01:46:32,440 --> 01:46:36,640 of the the way out. But in that show, it's so light 2119 01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,960 touch. Like they talk about it but then 2120 01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:39,880 isn't live. He doesn't. 2121 01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:41,240 You don't see him suffering in it at all. 2122 01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:43,600 He just has these, like, occasional phone calls where 2123 01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,520 it's like you get yourself so, so far in there, you don't know 2124 01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:47,440 you're going to come back out again. 2125 01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:49,800 I don't even know who I am. And sometimes I remember I'm 2126 01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:52,120 Sonny Crockett and all this kind of shit. 2127 01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:54,520 And it's just like, yeah, OK. Yeah, and, and like, I mean, in 2128 01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:57,400 contrast, this film is just a long, dark night of the soul. 2129 01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:59,880 Yeah, Don Johnson is like, effortlessly. 2130 01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:03,920 He's too cool as well, which is not so you know, that's not an 2131 01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:08,760 insult to to to to your man, just like he's saying he's not 2132 01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,320 cool. But Don Johnson is is just too 2133 01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:13,080 cool And the box office, I think like the audience would have 2134 01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:16,360 been expecting something a bit different from Don Johnson, I 2135 01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,200 think if they saw him, you know, like the I think the BI mean, 2136 01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:22,280 not that this movie succeeded anyway, but like Jesus, people 2137 01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,520 were kicked off, I think, and I might have harmed Don Johnson's. 2138 01:47:25,480 --> 01:47:28,160 Yeah, because, because, because, because right here is too cool. 2139 01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:31,360 I mean, like people would have been like, hold on. 2140 01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:36,720 He's he's wearing like a pastel coloured T-shirt and a suit 2141 01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,600 jacket with the sleeves rolled up. 2142 01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:41,120 Why? Because this film's not because, 2143 01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:43,800 because, because, you know, he would just like slip back and it 2144 01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,520 was mowed and turn up in his own gear from my happy vice. 2145 01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:47,480 Like, you know what? Totally. 2146 01:47:47,480 --> 01:47:49,720 To your mind, it's like, Oh no, I've just, I've, I've just 2147 01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:52,560 become Crockett. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm on an 2148 01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,160 insanely huge amount of cocaine right now. 2149 01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:59,320 I can't remember where I am. Jesus Christ. 2150 01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:02,000 I'm about to go with marry a 15 year old like what the fuck 2151 01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:05,400 Jesus Christ. No fucking way. 2152 01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:07,840 Yeah, I'm not fully versed on the story, so I don't want to 2153 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,360 say anything too dodgy, but but look at the story of look at the 2154 01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:13,120 story of Don Johnson and Melanie Griffith and then and then get 2155 01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:15,800 back to me. Cool, right? 2156 01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:19,720 Other people suggested for Will Grim, Jeff Bridges, Harrison 2157 01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:23,280 Ford, Richard Gere, Mel Gibson, Carl McLaughlin, which I think 2158 01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:27,560 is a De Laurentiis production thing, must come from Paul 2159 01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,200 Newman and Mickey Rourke. Also considered of all those 2160 01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,560 people, I think Mickey Rourke would have done pretty well. 2161 01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,040 I. Think you would have? 2162 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:36,240 Also, sorry, one more John Johnson. 2163 01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:38,600 In fact, also Don Johnson, considered for the role of 2164 01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:42,000 Francis Dollarhyde, would have absolutely stank that place out. 2165 01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:43,640 He would have. He would have biffed it. 2166 01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:45,120 That would have been really fucking bad. 2167 01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,840 Yeah, that would be awful. Yeah, absolutely no chance. 2168 01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:50,640 Oh, look at me. I'm I'm, I'm Dollar Hyde. 2169 01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:53,600 I'm played by one of the fucking coolest dudes in 1980s. 2170 01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,880 I just can't get any pussy, man. I've got to kill people because 2171 01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:57,200 of it. No, no. 2172 01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,240 You're here to watch this witness might be coming. 2173 01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,760 I'm gonna like what? The No. 2174 01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:11,720 Hey, do you like tigers? I'm gonna like what? 2175 01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:13,560 Well. Yeah. 2176 01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:16,400 Wild already. I'm just imagining I'm like 2177 01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:19,640 fucking one handing a shotgun like Tom Noonan doesn't just 2178 01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:22,720 because he hasn't got the size that just like the recoil is not 2179 01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:24,920 controllable, it just hits him with the fucking face. 2180 01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:28,840 Yeah, I like that idea of Don Johnson had been dollarhide and 2181 01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:31,120 said instead of taking reboot to go and see a tiger, he would 2182 01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:33,480 have like taken it's like to see it to stroke an alligator. 2183 01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:39,040 Yeah, he would. This is my pet, Reggie. 2184 01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:41,640 He went from Tom Broward to fucking speedboat. 2185 01:49:42,440 --> 01:49:44,960 Yeah. Which would not be which. 2186 01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:47,800 I mean, I guess should get the sound of the sensation of the 2187 01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,960 Sierra and stuff, but really she was just bumping around at a 2188 01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,800 rapid pace. Bumping around, yeah. 2189 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:56,440 He could, he could, he could do that in like a 4 by 4 just on, 2190 01:49:56,440 --> 01:50:00,320 on, on a fucking vacant loss, you know, And it's like, come 2191 01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,160 on, man. Amazing. 2192 01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:06,000 God, you ever tried cocaine? Oh my God, just wow. 2193 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,440 This. Yeah, man, he wouldn't be the 2194 01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,640 red dragon, he'd be the white dragon, if you get me. 2195 01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:12,920 Michael Mann was not the first choice to direct this movie, and 2196 01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:15,640 David Lynch was an early consideration for the role of 2197 01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:19,160 director, having because he was still under contract with De 2198 01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:22,880 Lorentis after Dune. However, David Lynch rejected 2199 01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:26,080 this role, finding the story to be, quote, violent and 2200 01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:29,600 completely degenerate. I love favourite Lynch. 2201 01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,200 So good. Violent. 2202 01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:36,160 It's completely degenerate. Pot, this is kettle gonna check 2203 01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:39,520 over like this is from the same man who five years later would 2204 01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:43,360 make fucking Twin Peaks, Fire Walk of Me and Wild at Heart and 2205 01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:47,320 fucking Blue Velvet. So show me a film that is more 2206 01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:50,040 violent and degenerate than Blue Velvet. 2207 01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:53,040 I think you love that. Fucking love him so much 2208 01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:53,920 honestly. He's so good. 2209 01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,160 Yeah. He's like, oh, I'll make a 2210 01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,360 review about a killer, but not your killer. 2211 01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,120 Yeah, this, this, this one's degenerate. 2212 01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:05,400 This I love. This I love, yeah, I love this I 2213 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:10,040 do that like. My degeneracy is way more 2214 01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:14,240 tasteful than yours, Sir. Yeah, like Ray Wise comes in, 2215 01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:16,360 He's like, you're sweet. And then like Tom Nuni walks in. 2216 01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:19,920 He's like, hello, human resources, like. 2217 01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:24,400 Bloody hell. Woo. 2218 01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,920 Cool, That's that's that's as much trivial as I can stomach. 2219 01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:30,280 Gentlemen, weapons free. Rory O'Toole. 2220 01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:31,880 I want you to talk to me about weapons in this movie. 2221 01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:34,360 You've got you've got opinions. Holy shit. 2222 01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:36,200 Yeah. And I think most of my opinions 2223 01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:38,480 are good about this. I'm not going to be like, read 2224 01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:40,280 the guns are on kind of thing for a start. 2225 01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:46,120 So this this this film actually stars Jim Zubini, who you may 2226 01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:49,920 remember Mike from last year when I sent you that video clip 2227 01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,240 of that incredibly rapid Mozambique drill from the 2228 01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:54,280 episode of Miami Face. Nice, yeah. 2229 01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:58,440 Yeah, Jim. Jim Zubien is an American 2230 01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,360 competitive shooter. He's a marksman who's worked 2231 01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:04,880 with Michael Man a lot. He played an assassin in an 2232 01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:09,080 episode of the Miami Vice, an incredibly iconic performance by 2233 01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:13,040 him, leading lots of people on YouTube to see if if you get in 2234 01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,200 a car in Miami and your driver's wearing yellow shooting glasses, 2235 01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:19,600 get out of the car. Jim Zubien's in the film and 2236 01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:24,920 provides provides Will Graham with special ammunition to to to 2237 01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,600 take out Francis Tholeheit, which is a real thing he's 2238 01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:29,640 talking about. He is talking about a kind of a 2239 01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,480 frangible ammunition. The blue tipped ammo that he 2240 01:52:33,480 --> 01:52:35,960 provides refers to as Glazer safety slugs. 2241 01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,400 Glazer safety slugs are a real Glazer safety ammunition is a 2242 01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,480 real product. The make the make or made 2243 01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:45,480 ammunition chamber. I think up from 22 long rifle up 2244 01:52:45,480 --> 01:52:53,760 to 30 ought 6 basically rounds that were like a regular bullet 2245 01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:59,240 with a with a kind of a polymer cup behind that polymer cup, a 2246 01:52:59,240 --> 01:53:03,560 fuck tonne of birdshot. So they're essentially rounds 2247 01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:07,560 designed flag causing deep penetrate and wounds on people. 2248 01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:11,440 Kind of like the design not a ricocheted badly inside inside 2249 01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:14,080 buildings and close quarters and stuff like that. 2250 01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:16,360 He makes a big deal that these are flag. 2251 01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,440 These are guaranteed one shots up despite haven't used 2252 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:21,280 multiple. I think it's a blank. 2253 01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,120 It's a cool thing. Some of the explanation gives us 2254 01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:26,160 a bit bit wrong. He tells them to Ela tells them 2255 01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:30,120 that it's that it's that it's got like I think a Teflon round 2256 01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,920 in it or something. No, no, he says he's he says 2257 01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:36,920 he's got a Teflon round in it. I believe the what does he say? 2258 01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:41,120 Polymer actually can't remember now I'm just double check my 2259 01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:42,840 notes and shit. Yeah, that's right. 2260 01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:46,240 He says that the that the suspended and liquid Teflon and 2261 01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:48,240 the pond impact opens all up in the target. 2262 01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:53,680 A guaranteed one shot stop. That's not kind of how the work. 2263 01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:56,760 There was discourse about Teflon coated bullets in the US media 2264 01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:58,720 at the time in terms of being armour piercing things. 2265 01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:01,760 But no, there's there's a polymer in in these rounds, 2266 01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,000 whether at this point it was capping the end of it and was 2267 01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,560 full of birdshot or they had it when there was like a polymer 2268 01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,920 ball in it on further iterations with birdshot behind it. 2269 01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,600 Much like kind of like the old school book and ball loadout 2270 01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:15,160 that have with with with muskets and stuff. 2271 01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:16,680 I think that's really fucking cool. 2272 01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:21,680 It's it's it's really cool to say, to say Tom Noonan one hand 2273 01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:24,920 in that shotgun, which was Jim Zubinas from home. 2274 01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:27,040 He brought that in himself. That was his personal weapon. 2275 01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,080 The Jim Zubinas brought in the shotgun for Tom Noonan, who used 2276 01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:33,720 to thought was incredibly slick resting appearance of the night 2277 01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:37,240 vision scopes on the police marksman that I couldn't fucking 2278 01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:40,560 identify or really upset us. That was painful. 2279 01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,280 But yeah, I love like, just like some like the shots as well, 2280 01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,560 like the fucking appearances of like the kind of I'm looking 2281 01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:50,640 down at this down the barrel image of, of Will Graham 2282 01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:55,640 pointing, pointing his pointing his Charter Arms 44 bulldog at 2283 01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:57,440 the camera. It's it's in focus. 2284 01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:00,680 He's he's kind of blurry and you can like see like those like 2285 01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:03,200 special blue tip bullets in it, which I think is really cool. 2286 01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,720 The Charter Arms bulldog was actually the weapon that the Son 2287 01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:10,800 of Sam Killer used. So this is a book initially 2288 01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:14,800 written about a serial killer. He was called the 44 calibre 2289 01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:16,200 killer wasn't he? Along with the Son of Sam 2290 01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,880 killer. It was written only a few years 2291 01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:22,480 after I think Son of Sam Killam spree ended and the hero of the 2292 01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,680 book is using the exact same weapon the the Son of Sam the 2293 01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:30,280 dealer book. Which, yeah, go on. 2294 01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:31,840 I was going to say I did read that. 2295 01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:34,240 Tom Harris said it better than with some FBI profilers and 2296 01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:37,240 stuff and research for the book. Yeah, yeah. 2297 01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:41,520 So I I found that really cool. And like I said, there's there's 2298 01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:44,640 just the guns in it realistically picked for the 2299 01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:46,800 era. You know, you've got the cool 2300 01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:50,680 commando of the XM177 assault rifle that SWAT guys are using. 2301 01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,840 There's one one guy with an Uzi because Uzi's a fucking cool. 2302 01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,000 Yeah. I like the guns in this film, 2303 01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:58,840 like I said, especially like there's an appearance made by 2304 01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,240 him, by him, Jim Zubena. I like, it's interesting. 2305 01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,120 I like, it's interesting kind of granularity about the ammunition 2306 01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:08,240 and stuff. And it kind of gets most of the 2307 01:56:08,240 --> 01:56:12,400 explanation of frangible rounds right, without like going in 2308 01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,880 like actually fragile rounds. Here's why they're so good. 2309 01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:16,760 Like I just did you see what I'm being? 2310 01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:19,720 So I was looking at I just, I just did a very bit of quick 2311 01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:22,840 like look at it fragile rounds and stuff. 2312 01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:27,680 First of all, I'm going to see are they legal for for civilian 2313 01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:29,880 use? Several states apparently have 2314 01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:32,880 banned them in the US and you can't get them in the UK 2315 01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,000 anymore. I think you could be supposed to 2316 01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:37,760 get them in the Uki was reading some some blog posts here where 2317 01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:41,160 somebody managed to get some of a former SAS operator who'd been 2318 01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:42,480 allowed to have them or something for some reason. 2319 01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:46,200 They were looking at what would the legal standing be if you 2320 01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:49,680 even if you did a killing in self defence defence or defence 2321 01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:50,920 of your property or your home or whatever. 2322 01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:54,440 But you had these rounds, how to make you appear to a jury or in 2323 01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:59,080 a court or law because this person is saying like, well I 2324 01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,600 think I'd be reluctant to face a coroner, inquest or a grand 2325 01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,080 jury. Have to explain why I use a non 2326 01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:06,760 standard pistol round or around designed to cause the maximum 2327 01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:10,280 damage when I suppose what you're trying to do is deter 2328 01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:13,040 people from your end and engagement. 2329 01:57:13,240 --> 01:57:15,000 You're not necessarily trying to kill them because if you're a 2330 01:57:15,000 --> 01:57:18,240 civilian doing self defence, you're probably not operating to 2331 01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:20,760 the same doctrine that you would in the military or in law 2332 01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:23,040 enforcement, which is to bring somebody down to prevent grave, 2333 01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:24,800 grave in imminent danger. And there's no way to prevent 2334 01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:28,160 the danger and shoot to kill, which is, you know, centre of 2335 01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:30,280 mass kind of thing. I think if you're a if you're 2336 01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:34,000 civilians, it's a grey area where and obviously, again, if 2337 01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:35,960 you're in the military, in law enforcement, you are using the 2338 01:57:35,960 --> 01:57:37,160 ammunition that you're provided with. 2339 01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:40,240 So unless you've deviated from it there, in which case that's 2340 01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:42,320 definitely an indicator that something's the fuck is going 2341 01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,160 on. I think it's a civilian. 2342 01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,160 I think you'd have a hard time explaining why I used a non 2343 01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:50,560 standard round to affect a kill, which it sounds like, well, why 2344 01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:51,960 do you have that ammunition in the 1st place? 2345 01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:53,800 Like why are you using this? Absolutely. 2346 01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:55,760 You know, I get that, I understand that. 2347 01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:59,160 And then they said here, what you would probably do is or 2348 01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:01,440 most, most police departments are using pretty good ammunition 2349 01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:03,800 that provides more inadequate stopping power and being able to 2350 01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:05,920 state to a Jew that you use gold dots or whatever because you 2351 01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:08,040 check to see what the local Police Department is using and 2352 01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:10,440 choose to use that ammo because you're doing what the experts 2353 01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:12,840 are doing kind of thing. That is that probably just 2354 01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:14,840 easier than saying, oh, I deviated and got and went for 2355 01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:18,800 something that sounds like cool. Obviously the nearest kind of 2356 01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:22,000 comparison I could make off the top of my head hearing that is 2357 01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:25,200 the the process of taking a regular ball ammunition and then 2358 01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:28,520 scoring the top to make a dum dum bullet to use the bullets 2359 01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:30,480 casing as part of the projectile. 2360 01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,920 It's inside the bodies to create shrapnel, which is that's not, 2361 01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:36,560 that's not legal. And obviously you're modifying 2362 01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:39,640 the rounds then and put them into an unsafe condition. 2363 01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:43,200 This sounds like ammunition that's designed to do that by 2364 01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:46,000 design to affect that effect. And obviously that's that's 2365 01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,040 that's viewed pretty negatively. Yeah. 2366 01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:51,040 I mean, I think like the main reason why they kind of like had 2367 01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:53,920 pushed out that was the idea that in in the case of like 2368 01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:57,200 ricochets, it's not likely a ricochet because it's 2369 01:58:57,200 --> 01:59:01,000 essentially like a, a smaller projector with a sick fucking 2370 01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:02,960 difficult amount of like birdshot behind it. 2371 01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,360 Yeah, I think there was a case in Florida that someone defended 2372 01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:08,240 the the home using this kind of ammunition. 2373 01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:10,880 And I think the the the media reported it as using exploding 2374 01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:14,040 bullets, which doesn't that that that isn't good for you. 2375 01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:17,400 I just imagine the kind of damage to these things and 2376 01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,840 fucking fit your six would do though, because I mean, like, 2377 01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:22,440 you know, like it's like full, full, full power rifle round. 2378 01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:24,600 That would be crazy. Yeah. 2379 01:59:24,600 --> 01:59:26,760 Like, it's like a lot of what you're referring to. 2380 01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:28,960 It's like I've like done a lot like reading up on this and just 2381 01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:32,200 kind of hung around within discourse about the ideas of 2382 01:59:32,200 --> 01:59:37,760 like, does it speak to premeditation in terms like the 2383 01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:41,760 ending yourself in court? So like, for instance, I saw 2384 01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:46,280 some some discourse about a guy who's the civilian in in the 2385 01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:50,640 states, obviously, whose whose personal concealed carry weapon 2386 01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:52,680 was was Sami automatic of some kind. 2387 01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:55,400 I'm I'm actually not super good like identifying pistols and 2388 01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:57,360 more like, oh, that's that's ex kind of rifle. 2389 01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:02,480 But so it was some kind of largely generic semi automatic. 2390 02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:05,320 They'd had it car recorded with like pictures of the joke. 2391 02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:08,040 I don't like all the ha ha stuff on on on the grip. 2392 02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:11,680 So I'd say yeah, if if you use that to defend yourself. 2393 02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:16,520 Any jury is going to be like, well, any, any, any lawyer's 2394 02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:19,000 going to say the jury. This guy went out wanting to 2395 02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:21,280 shoot someone. He's gussied up his gun, 2396 02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,560 ridiculous degrees. He's got a pitch for the fucking 2397 02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:25,800 Joker on it. This guy didn't want to 2398 02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:27,800 deescalate, didn't want to put himself out of the position. 2399 02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:30,280 He's he's he's he's just killed the dude kind of thing. 2400 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:34,360 And like there's there's like just some more sort of things 2401 02:00:34,360 --> 02:00:38,560 like I've heard about like cops having fucking Bible verses 2402 02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:41,880 engraved on the guns and like saying like, no, dude, fucking 2403 02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:44,560 don't because yeah, yeah, you were, you were going to go to 2404 02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,280 gaol forever. Even if you get involved in like 2405 02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:48,640 a legitimate officer involved shooting because they're going 2406 02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:50,720 to fucking pull out. And it's like, oh, John 316. 2407 02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:52,120 OK, so you wanted to kill this guy. 2408 02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:54,200 And it's like, it is, it is interesting. 2409 02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:56,800 So I think that's why you use anything that can be deemed as 2410 02:00:56,800 --> 02:01:01,480 like special sexy, cool ammunition, you know, is is 2411 02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:04,120 could be taken. It's like, well, this guy didn't 2412 02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:05,480 just want to defend himself, right? 2413 02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:07,600 You wanted to have fun with it, and you wanted to see someone 2414 02:01:07,600 --> 02:01:10,080 die in a cool, interesting way. Yeah, I say, isn't it? 2415 02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:11,560 Yeah, I think, I think you're absolutely right. 2416 02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:13,240 I think if you use any funk emission like this, you're 2417 02:01:13,240 --> 02:01:15,480 standing yourself in a date. I mean, fuck me, man, What we're 2418 02:01:15,480 --> 02:01:17,680 talking about here. Don't shoot people. 2419 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:20,520 Imagine like the kind of behaviour of like a responsible 2420 02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,680 mature gun owner who knows the fucking fatal capabilities 2421 02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:27,080 weapon would be to use like a standard weapon that they're 2422 02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:29,520 familiar with and trained with to shoot to stop the threat 2423 02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:32,040 usually mean it to kill. But when you're when you like 2424 02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:35,040 put in ideas of like I'm using this really cool, like fucking 2425 02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:37,760 birdshot kind of stuff, which which which does sound cool, is 2426 02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:40,760 fucking I guess safe for sake. You'll be if you are going to 2427 02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:43,800 accidentally get ricochets and stuff, you are going to kind of 2428 02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:46,320 you're going to open yourself up to someone saying well, well, 2429 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:48,680 well, this guy's clearly ladies and gentlemen, the jewellery. 2430 02:01:48,680 --> 02:01:51,120 This guy went out his way to buy the more expensive animal. 2431 02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:54,600 It's really cool and gets talked about on the film Manhunter, you 2432 02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:57,040 know, because not only did he want to stop the threat, he 2433 02:01:57,040 --> 02:01:59,640 wanted to have fucking fun doing it, and he thinks about it more 2434 02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:02,280 than he should. Yeah, I think there's a very, 2435 02:02:04,160 --> 02:02:08,040 very fine line probably on a on a spectrum, a continuum of being 2436 02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:10,840 a responsible gun owner and doing your research and then 2437 02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:13,800 tipping into like, oh, you're doing too much research now 2438 02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:16,480 you're getting too into it. And now you're and now you're 2439 02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:19,480 there's, there's the responsible gun owner and then there's like 2440 02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:21,680 you've, you're a gun nut is what you are. 2441 02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:23,880 Well, well, well, yeah, that's the thing. 2442 02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:26,360 That's like I kind of like Seth, like this course I've seen 2443 02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:30,880 between people talking about like like like in the States. 2444 02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:33,520 So I was like open carry, concealed carrier, just having 2445 02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:36,880 self defence weapons in general. That's like the idea is you want 2446 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:39,640 to look like, you can see I've done all this training, I've 2447 02:02:39,640 --> 02:02:42,040 gone to these courses. I'm not carrying a weapon that's 2448 02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:44,920 got pictures of the Jared Leto fucking joke around it, you 2449 02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:46,920 know? And this makes me not a gun nut. 2450 02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:50,680 The automatic fucking snarl makes us did that when the 2451 02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:52,960 Javard little joke I was mentioned was fantastic. 2452 02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:55,240 Just for those of us doing theatre of the main and not 2453 02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:57,160 watching the video. Yeah, not even the Jack 2454 02:02:57,160 --> 02:03:01,280 Nicholson fucking joke it right? Like, right, we've talked about 2455 02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:07,120 guns too much. Wow. 2456 02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:10,760 Needle drops. OK, so the soundtracks to this 2457 02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:15,160 movie is by a band called the Reds. 2458 02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:18,800 Different pits all of you, because they haven't got a lot 2459 02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:20,880 of output. A few records, but there's not a 2460 02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:22,720 lot about them online. I tried to find out about them 2461 02:03:22,720 --> 02:03:24,520 online and I couldn't find a great deal. 2462 02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:27,880 Nevertheless, the soundtrack does sound like prior Michael 2463 02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:30,280 Mann soundtracks. He's used Tangerine Dream before 2464 02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:33,000 and this doesn't sound 1,000,000 miles away from that big synth 2465 02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:34,840 heavy stuff. A non diegetic, very in your 2466 02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:36,720 face soundtrack. And there's a piece of music 2467 02:03:36,720 --> 02:03:39,560 called Bill Graham's theme, which is I think you can find 2468 02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:43,680 recreations of on on Spotify and other good streamers. 2469 02:03:44,920 --> 02:03:46,240 So it gives you a bit of a flavour for it. 2470 02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:48,600 But yeah, weird, couldn't find that. 2471 02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:50,960 And then the other two big Neil drops. 2472 02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,800 I'll I'll mention Heartbeats again, which is the the track 2473 02:03:53,800 --> 02:03:57,840 that plays over the end by an artist called Red 7A different 2474 02:03:57,840 --> 02:04:00,680 artist. There's the Reds and Red 7 Jesus 2475 02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:03,360 Christ from different cities. So not the same artist. 2476 02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:15,960 The other big one is, which I don't know about you, I don't 2477 02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:18,960 know about you, but my main form of reference to that is that one 2478 02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:21,800 episode of The Simpsons where they play on the organ in the 2479 02:04:21,800 --> 02:04:23,480 church for ages and ages and ages. 2480 02:04:24,120 --> 02:04:26,840 Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's it's, it's such 2481 02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:30,480 a good song. It's it's always been the most 2482 02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:32,520 iconic meal drop in the film for me. 2483 02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:36,120 In general, I think it's just one of the goodest songs ever in 2484 02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:40,320 in the history of rock music. So out there compared to the 2485 02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:43,720 rest of the soundtrack, which is very synth synth based and yeah, 2486 02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:48,840 80s sounding. It's it's almost a jarring kind 2487 02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:52,840 of dissonance between that and the rest of the soundtrack, I 2488 02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:55,520 think, which I think makes it even punchier. 2489 02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:58,880 Yeah, and it makes it kind of highlights that he's Dollar 2490 02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:02,320 Hyde's kind of out of step with the rest of the world as well. 2491 02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:06,840 Yeah, yeah, definitely. There's no kind of idea, there's 2492 02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:11,960 no film that Dollar Hyde is a man out of time or not linked to 2493 02:05:12,040 --> 02:05:15,640 like the zeitgeist of the era, art from that film part part 2494 02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:18,920 from that song, which is on from a different decade, from a 2495 02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:21,000 different generation at this point. 2496 02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:23,080 And there's no kind of always like a man out of time, out of 2497 02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:26,040 space kind of thing. But with this song being so 2498 02:05:26,040 --> 02:05:30,240 generally different, it shows how out of out of society and 2499 02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:33,240 out of normality he is. The chess and the mess, which is 2500 02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:35,840 a new category that you you missed Sonya that we just last 2501 02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:39,720 week so catch you up on it VHS. And the mess is would this movie 2502 02:05:39,720 --> 02:05:42,960 play well in the wardroom or the senior rich mess or the junior 2503 02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:47,000 rich mess on a ship knowing not only is it a good movie, is it 2504 02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:48,480 like a Bank of a blockbuster movie? 2505 02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:50,480 Is it the kind of movie that lots of people could sit around 2506 02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,680 and enjoy or is it just a bit too weird? 2507 02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:54,960 What do you think? I think it's a bit too weird to 2508 02:05:54,960 --> 02:06:01,320 be honest, like automated kids movies, actually those tend to 2509 02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,480 be very popular because they're light hearted and and break the 2510 02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:06,760 mood. I don't like, I don't know, I 2511 02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:12,240 think this this is a bit too much for a relaxed get together 2512 02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:14,800 with a few drinks or something while you're in port and 2513 02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:17,840 especially underway. It's like I haven't seen shit 2514 02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:20,880 for two weeks. Let me put on this really weird 2515 02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:25,360 serial killer catching film that gives us all extra anxiety. 2516 02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:26,800 It's. Not it's not pitch perfect, is 2517 02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:29,160 it? Not really, no. 2518 02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:33,240 I mean, maybe in the office's mess because there's always not 2519 02:06:33,240 --> 02:06:39,000 one weirdo who has to do that. But yeah, but but not like not 2520 02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:42,280 in the in the senior raids I didn't or anything like that, 2521 02:06:42,280 --> 02:06:44,360 no. Yeah, somebody like a more 2522 02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:46,360 standard if there's going to be a crime for a little bit like 2523 02:06:46,360 --> 02:06:48,360 Fast and Furious or something. Yeah, yeah. 2524 02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:54,200 What was the last film you guys both saw in in the mess? 2525 02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:57,160 Not necessarily watched, just like was aware of and glanced at 2526 02:06:57,160 --> 02:06:58,640 the screen perhaps from going through. 2527 02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:01,400 I'm not asking which was the last one you sat down and just. 2528 02:07:01,400 --> 02:07:02,920 Drunk. I do remember this. 2529 02:07:03,640 --> 02:07:06,280 The last film I sat down and watched the mess from start to 2530 02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:08,280 finish was Die Hard. Keno Sanya. 2531 02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:13,000 I didn't remember because the last time I was four years ago, 2532 02:07:13,080 --> 02:07:16,480 Last Officer's Mess was too busy hating each other to to spend 2533 02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:19,200 time watching a film together. In every moment. 2534 02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:24,600 Yeah, I think it was actually some animated kids film they 2535 02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:28,040 were going to watch that was in the the PO's mess three years 2536 02:07:28,040 --> 02:07:31,080 ago, not 4, but still. I don't, I don't remember the 2537 02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:33,320 title. I think it was something Disney. 2538 02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:39,000 Frozen or Moana or something? Yeah, yeah, so, so yeah, so 2539 02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:44,480 very, very light hearted. If they made a video game of 2540 02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:46,560 Manhunter, what kind of video game would they make? 2541 02:07:46,720 --> 02:07:53,000 Very bizarre abstract full motion video RPG released on the 2542 02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:56,760 Philips video that bombs completely. 2543 02:07:57,160 --> 02:07:58,920 Wow, that's a very specific answer. 2544 02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:03,280 I like that. So like, like, like who are you? 2545 02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:06,480 Are you playing as Graham? You're playing as Will Graham 2546 02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:11,280 and you're going through like cutscenes and stuff like phone 2547 02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:14,280 motion video kind of like stuff as you're seeing things from 2548 02:08:14,280 --> 02:08:17,000 inside Dollar Hydes kind of mind kind of thing. 2549 02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:19,880 You're kind of getting getting more in touch with his mindset 2550 02:08:19,960 --> 02:08:23,160 as you get closer and closer to the end game. 2551 02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:27,960 You know, I've never played an FMV game all the way to the end, 2552 02:08:28,160 --> 02:08:31,280 so I don't quite know how these things generally climaxed. 2553 02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:33,840 I've got a few actually. Yeah. 2554 02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:37,840 So there's the original X-Files FMV game. 2555 02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:41,520 I didn't even know there was 1. Mate, you need to look that up, 2556 02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:44,240 it is incredible. So they filmed so much footage 2557 02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:47,360 for it. Moulder and Scully are in it for 2558 02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:50,040 a short period of time that you can play as. 2559 02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:52,080 You can choose between who you you play as, but you play as a 2560 02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:53,760 different agent. Yeah. 2561 02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:58,080 And Moulder and Scully disappear and you're investigating their 2562 02:08:58,080 --> 02:08:59,160 disappearance, right? Yeah. 2563 02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:01,880 Right. But you can go around 2564 02:09:01,880 --> 02:09:04,680 interviewing people and talking people and like looking at stuff 2565 02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:06,720 in you go through different rooms, you can click on objects 2566 02:09:06,720 --> 02:09:09,360 and stuff. And this man, they spent so much 2567 02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:10,600 time. It's this is classic where they 2568 02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:12,320 put like a lot of effort into the front end of the game and it 2569 02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:13,600 kind of trails off towards the back end. 2570 02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:17,000 But yeah, you can like click on a stapler in a room and they'll 2571 02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:19,600 have recorded a footage of a guy going, hey, that's my stapler. 2572 02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:21,320 Leave it alone. And like, just show you that. 2573 02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:23,920 It's like they've put too much effort in all the wrong stuff. 2574 02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:26,640 But yeah, that's fantastic. Good pull. 2575 02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:30,400 Yeah, definitely. I was going to say, are you 2576 02:09:30,560 --> 02:09:33,560 familiar with the games of David Cage, such as Rain and 2577 02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:36,600 Fahrenheit and Beyond? Two Souls in Detroit? 2578 02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:37,560 Yeah. OK. 2579 02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:39,120 Is he French? David Cage? 2580 02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:41,400 I think he's French for the company Quantic Dream. 2581 02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:45,920 And before, like Heavy Rain is like the most acceptable kind of 2582 02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:47,880 popular one that did really well despite the fact that it's got 2583 02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:50,600 all those cringy memes like Jason, Sean, all that, all that, 2584 02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:52,800 all that stuff. But David Cage is like, he's one 2585 02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:54,160 of those films. He's he is French. 2586 02:09:54,160 --> 02:09:55,560 Yeah. He's one of those film makers 2587 02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:58,760 who wants to make games that are like movies and look like 2588 02:09:58,760 --> 02:09:59,800 movies. OK. 2589 02:09:59,800 --> 02:10:01,320 Which is you're starting in bad faith. 2590 02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:03,560 You're you're making a medium to try and make it into a different 2591 02:10:03,560 --> 02:10:04,440 medium, right. But he did this. 2592 02:10:04,440 --> 02:10:06,440 He did this game called Fahrenheit where you play this 2593 02:10:06,440 --> 02:10:09,440 guy and it starts amazingly. You've just committed a murder 2594 02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:12,720 and a diner because you've been like possessed or something by 2595 02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:15,720 some kind of evil spirit. And then you immediately have to 2596 02:10:15,720 --> 02:10:17,920 start covering up the murder straight away and getting out 2597 02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:21,040 the diner And there's police in the diner just having a meal and 2598 02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:23,280 you've got to like tidy up the bathroom because it happened in 2599 02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:25,120 the bathroom. You've got like hide the body 2600 02:10:25,120 --> 02:10:28,360 somewhere, include the bathroom and then escape somehow before. 2601 02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:30,880 And then it has like a split screen thing happens where like 2602 02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:32,960 a person gets up and he's like, I'm going to the bathroom now 2603 02:10:33,240 --> 02:10:34,400 and like starts walking towards you. 2604 02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:39,480 Like starts really starts really strong and then just like it 2605 02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:40,920 falls off. It does like all these like 2606 02:10:41,240 --> 02:10:43,880 QuickTime, QuickTime scenes, things that you could like hit 2607 02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:45,680 the button right in the right order kind of thing to make 2608 02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:47,360 stuff happen. And there's a whole bit where 2609 02:10:47,360 --> 02:10:49,600 you have the same character in his apartment and he picks up a 2610 02:10:49,600 --> 02:10:52,560 guitar and you would like to play the guitar to the same like 2611 02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:53,840 to some rock music that he's put on. 2612 02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:55,120 And it's just like, what is this? 2613 02:10:57,440 --> 02:11:00,080 It's very interesting. It's not boring. 2614 02:11:01,560 --> 02:11:03,680 You start as this guy who's been possessed by Neil Spirit. 2615 02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:05,520 You end the game as the Internet. 2616 02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:10,920 Don't ask me how Yes. So that is that's the game. 2617 02:11:10,920 --> 02:11:16,320 I think this would be like it's French Sonya, but it's set in 2618 02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:18,280 like Chicago. Well. 2619 02:11:18,440 --> 02:11:24,200 OK so so my idea would be some so basically not very high 2620 02:11:24,200 --> 02:11:27,680 resolution click and read horror game. 2621 02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:31,240 Yeah. Because I can see like yesterday 2622 02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:36,040 you talked a lot about different scenes, quoting other images and 2623 02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:38,720 paintings and whatnot. And I could really see that 2624 02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:43,640 working out as, as slightly pixelated stills in a, in a 2625 02:11:43,640 --> 02:11:47,640 video horror game where you have either some, some voice over or 2626 02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:49,640 you've got to do some context reading. 2627 02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:53,200 And you don't really get a lot of I have to walk here and it's 2628 02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:57,680 not very flashy. It's more music and vibes based. 2629 02:11:57,680 --> 02:11:58,760 Oh. That's cool. 2630 02:11:59,800 --> 02:12:03,800 Yeah, Big one Vibes is a really big one for for this Sonia. 2631 02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:06,520 That's a really good pull dude. So you could be like you could 2632 02:12:06,520 --> 02:12:09,080 be like inspecting all the the packs of the of the previous 2633 02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:11,560 cases kind. Of thing yeah, something like 2634 02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:13,800 that. Wait, you just have a top down 2635 02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:16,840 perspective of a desk with a bunch of different files on it 2636 02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:21,240 that you can click through? Or you you have it like that 2637 02:12:21,240 --> 02:12:25,320 scene with Lecter in this cell where you've just have him 2638 02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:28,920 staring at you with a weird voice over. 2639 02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:31,440 Or or you have to to read something in parallel. 2640 02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:33,040 That's cool. I like that. 2641 02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:34,800 I like a sort of old Division game. 2642 02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:38,280 It was a game, the game that came out last year but looks a 2643 02:12:38,280 --> 02:12:39,800 lot. How's like the vibe of some that 2644 02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:42,480 came out a lot older, but apparently they're really well 2645 02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:44,560 called. The root trees are dead and it's 2646 02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:46,160 like a murder mystery kind of game where you've got all the 2647 02:12:46,160 --> 02:12:48,480 clues you've got to put together the family trees and it's like 2648 02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:51,840 you're looking for newspaper clippings and like over bits and 2649 02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:54,200 bobs to get all that information to put together the mystery. 2650 02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:56,920 I kind of like that. Yeah. 2651 02:12:56,920 --> 02:12:57,800 That's cool. I think it's. 2652 02:12:57,960 --> 02:12:58,760 Yeah. That sounds really cool. 2653 02:13:00,720 --> 02:13:03,120 Sorry. Before I forget, would you like 2654 02:13:03,120 --> 02:13:05,640 to look through the notes from the peanut gallery? 2655 02:13:06,040 --> 02:13:10,600 Let's see what our friends on Letterbox think about this film. 2656 02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:15,000 We'll begin with reviews. Just one star for this film. 2657 02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:18,400 One star. He caught a serial killer using 2658 02:13:18,400 --> 02:13:20,600 vibes and bad lightning lighting. 2659 02:13:20,600 --> 02:13:23,960 Sorry, one star. The only thing I take away from 2660 02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:26,720 this movie is that William Peterson really pulls off 2661 02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:28,720 wearing shorts. Another one star. 2662 02:13:28,720 --> 02:13:31,320 Still the worst thing I've ever watched. 2663 02:13:32,040 --> 02:13:34,040 So this is a polarising movie man. 2664 02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:36,440 Man is probably another one. Another one star. 2665 02:13:36,440 --> 02:13:39,000 Sorry, my least favourite major director. 2666 02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:41,680 Manhunter. Feels like a long Miami Vice 2667 02:13:41,680 --> 02:13:42,760 episode. Disagree. 2668 02:13:43,680 --> 02:13:45,520 The acting is subpar from everyone. 2669 02:13:46,040 --> 02:13:48,520 There were line deliveries in there where I thought you didn't 2670 02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:51,640 want to do another take. The blood in the final showdown 2671 02:13:51,640 --> 02:13:53,840 looked like a ketchup squirting from the bottle. 2672 02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:56,880 No comment. No comment. 2673 02:13:57,280 --> 02:14:00,840 I can't stand the leads acting. The first time I watched this, I 2674 02:14:00,840 --> 02:14:04,240 turned it off after the scene in the tree and people love this 2675 02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:07,040 movie. QT that is one of the six good 2676 02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:10,320 movies of the 80's. The six good movies of the 80s 2677 02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:11,960 is savage, by the way. That's. 2678 02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:15,080 Insane. Is is QT Quentin Tarantino? 2679 02:14:15,080 --> 02:14:17,160 Yeah, and he's a fucking idiot like Bill Way. 2680 02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:20,640 He's the kind of guy who would say there are only 6 good movies 2681 02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:23,080 in the whole 80s. They'll all be shit as well. 2682 02:14:23,680 --> 02:14:25,080 Yeah. Manhunter, which we love, yeah. 2683 02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:28,480 I don't see the peel. Maybe in 1986. 2684 02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:30,640 This was groundbreaking for a serial killer movie. 2685 02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:35,000 Now Manhunter is drowning in broken VHS tapes and nostalgia. 2686 02:14:35,080 --> 02:14:38,120 2 star zone. Now I'm not sure what kind of 2687 02:14:38,120 --> 02:14:40,680 magical contacts the 1st 10 minutes that I missed of this 2688 02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:44,720 movie had, but damn was I lost. What the actual hell is going 2689 02:14:44,720 --> 02:14:47,360 on? Three tomato emojis? 2690 02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,280 What if a serial killer just needs to date a body and he 2691 02:14:50,280 --> 02:14:53,600 would stop another two star? A film called Manhunter by Mr 2692 02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:56,560 Mann should never have been allowed a great two star. 2693 02:14:56,560 --> 02:14:59,240 Yeah what a load of hogwash and poppycock. 2694 02:14:59,240 --> 02:15:01,920 The fucking view of some Victorian die that's. 2695 02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:06,320 A hogwash. When I wanted the three star 2696 02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:09,320 reviews. Three stars Psycho yuppie glam. 2697 02:15:09,400 --> 02:15:12,160 In the final scene, Will Graham is wearing the sluttiest, 2698 02:15:12,160 --> 02:15:14,560 shortest shorts I've ever seen on a man. 2699 02:15:14,600 --> 02:15:17,480 These older movies are tough for me to get into, but this is 2700 02:15:17,480 --> 02:15:20,640 pretty solid by the end. That's the epitome of a three 2701 02:15:20,640 --> 02:15:24,280 star review actually, if you exclude the slutty shorts bit, 2702 02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:27,160 which is like good for its time. Nothing to rhyme. 2703 02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:32,680 Three stars 6 foot 7. My man should have been in the 2704 02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:39,600 league our our three stars free on Tubi My ass movie had like 12 2705 02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:42,640 ads in it. What a laughably dated. 2706 02:15:42,760 --> 02:15:45,880 This gets an extra half star of a red dragon because Will felt 2707 02:15:45,880 --> 02:15:49,280 like a real human grappling with some complicated issues instead 2708 02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:50,880 of just being the perfect detective. 2709 02:15:50,920 --> 02:15:53,920 Also him jumping through the glass door on the climax and 2710 02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:57,000 landing nose to nose with Dollar Hyde was sick as fuck and felt 2711 02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:59,040 very earned. It was another three star 2712 02:15:59,040 --> 02:16:00,920 reviews. Jump through window. 2713 02:16:01,640 --> 02:16:05,000 Very 80s, not as best. Good looking film, good story 2714 02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:08,600 but a bit silly at points. We have got into the four-star 2715 02:16:08,600 --> 02:16:12,000 zone now. Four stars from Tianas 2716 02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:15,000 Papadopoulos. Who opens cool shit? 2717 02:16:15,120 --> 02:16:17,320 Alfonso Alvarez, 2 stars or pounds? 2718 02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:21,320 I love you Michael mAh. Dog's breath 25 Will Graham, gun 2719 02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:23,800 and hand running head 1st through a floor to ceiling 2720 02:16:23,800 --> 02:16:26,960 window towards the unarmed killer is one of the decisions 2721 02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,280 of all time. Was he planning on just tackling 2722 02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:31,720 Dollar Hyde? Three question Marks and in slow 2723 02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:34,240 motion no less. Unmistakably 80s and 2724 02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:38,480 unmistakably Michael mAh. The real Raymond Garry 4 stars 2725 02:16:38,600 --> 02:16:41,520 says I want to lick Will Graham up and down. 2726 02:16:42,200 --> 02:16:44,920 Drooling emoji. There ain't no way Hannibal 2727 02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:47,559 didn't be like Dang I want to eat that man. 2728 02:16:47,639 --> 02:16:50,559 Why did they redo that movie shot for shot when this one 2729 02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:53,000 delivers pretty well? Says horror Poppins for the 2730 02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:56,440 four-star review. April in condenser gives 4 stars 2731 02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:58,719 and says made a girl come while watching this. 2732 02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:06,240 Good drills with that clutter. The four stars says hunt more, 2733 02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:09,080 but just hunt more. No, no further guidance to us. 2734 02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:13,120 Just hunt more. Four stars from Jabui. 2735 02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:16,879 It's called Manhunter because the manhunt the man Michael the 2736 02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:21,160 manhunter man the hunt 4 1/2. Now you're telling me a guy with 2737 02:17:21,160 --> 02:17:23,480 a house like that gets no bitches? 2738 02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:27,440 Multiple question Marks and exclamation box at the end of 2739 02:17:27,440 --> 02:17:30,480 that review in five stars. Happy 2026. 2740 02:17:30,480 --> 02:17:33,600 I wish it was 1986. The most 80s movie ever. 2741 02:17:33,680 --> 02:17:35,840 There's a moment where a treat us and crashes through a window 2742 02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,280 in slow motion. The 80s dad rock and it's maybe 2743 02:17:38,280 --> 02:17:41,240 the most beautiful series of images ever put to the screen. 2744 02:17:41,320 --> 02:17:44,760 The vibes are slightly are simply unmatched and blue is 2745 02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:47,559 never blued so blue. This is aged in all the right 2746 02:17:47,559 --> 02:17:51,719 ways, says George Webster with a 5 star someone named Stone 2747 02:17:51,719 --> 02:17:55,719 Medigal says basically the most underrated thriller of all time 2748 02:17:56,360 --> 02:17:58,760 And and just really great take. I will I'm not going to read the 2749 02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:00,719 whole review because it's like a really long one from someone 2750 02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:03,360 called American friend who who's generally written a good review 2751 02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:05,160 here. But if real and yeah, Brian 2752 02:18:05,160 --> 02:18:07,879 Cox's Lecter is such a different animal than the Lecter Anthony 2753 02:18:07,879 --> 02:18:10,680 Hopkins made so famous. You feel like Cox was a working 2754 02:18:10,680 --> 02:18:12,920 class genius who was intellect came with the weight of 2755 02:18:12,920 --> 02:18:16,680 insanity, A gormand who worked his way through school as a lion 2756 02:18:16,680 --> 02:18:18,400 kook. I like that. 2757 02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:20,280 I like that bit of head count and someone's done that. 2758 02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:23,559 It's kind of fucking cool. So yeah, there you go, the fans. 2759 02:18:23,559 --> 02:18:28,200 The fans love the film and hate the film in equal equal amounts. 2760 02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:30,480 Polarising, yeah. Polarising. 2761 02:18:30,480 --> 02:18:32,480 Deeply polarising. It's this movie. 2762 02:18:32,520 --> 02:18:38,240 CIA pro auntie. Unclear, I'd say I I generally 2763 02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:44,280 say this movie is not Auntie having access to various swaths 2764 02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:46,400 of people's data to catch people. 2765 02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:52,360 Yeah, I'd say it makes the FBI at least look very competent. 2766 02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:58,320 But not in a kind of heroic fashion, just in the these 2767 02:18:58,320 --> 02:19:01,920 these, these are good skilled technicians who know how to do a 2768 02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:05,799 job that involves the apprehension of criminals in the 2769 02:19:05,799 --> 02:19:10,480 prevention of further crime. So I think this is possibly a 2770 02:19:10,520 --> 02:19:15,680 very neutral film towards federal government agencies in 2771 02:19:15,680 --> 02:19:18,240 so far as it shows the FBI is being good at the job. 2772 02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:22,480 It doesn't lionise them maybe in a way that The Silence of the 2773 02:19:22,480 --> 02:19:25,719 Lambs does. It certainly it certainly 2774 02:19:25,719 --> 02:19:29,120 portrays the the feds more heroically than there's still. 2775 02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:36,879 If anything, most fatal sacrifice in this film comes 2776 02:19:36,879 --> 02:19:40,160 from local law enforcement. Yeah, that's true. 2777 02:19:40,360 --> 02:19:42,080 Oh, OK. So we're going to call that a 2778 02:19:42,360 --> 02:19:44,160 inconclusive, I'd say inconclusive. 2779 02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,280 Yeah, right. So we're still eight to three 2780 02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:48,920 against the minute with everyone else being inconclusive. 2781 02:19:49,800 --> 02:19:53,640 Out of all the films expected to be marked as largely centrist, 2782 02:19:53,640 --> 02:19:55,600 it wouldn't be a Michael Mann film. 2783 02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:57,040 Yeah. There you go. 2784 02:19:57,040 --> 02:20:00,280 We'll see how that plays out. I guess next January with 2785 02:20:00,280 --> 02:20:02,800 Michael Mann. Cool final category. 2786 02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:06,000 Then guys, the Ding Chavez Award for missed opportunity of the 2787 02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:07,400 movie. What do you guys got for me? 2788 02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:09,160 I'll let you guys go first for this one. 2789 02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:16,800 Because I've got it fun, yeah. Well, it's not, it's not really 2790 02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:21,320 a missed opportunity. I was a bit surprised by by the 2791 02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:25,920 way they took on the the kidnapping and subsequent 2792 02:20:25,960 --> 02:20:30,600 killing of that reporter, which it was tied to a chair. 2793 02:20:31,240 --> 02:20:35,880 And I sort of expected that scene to become very 2794 02:20:36,040 --> 02:20:39,360 uncomfortable immediately after that recording. 2795 02:20:39,360 --> 02:20:43,840 But then it was just a cat. And I was like, OK, what 2796 02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:47,280 happened? I guess we will never know. 2797 02:20:47,480 --> 02:20:49,800 And then he's just burning in a wheelchair. 2798 02:20:49,800 --> 02:20:53,040 And that was while it's not a good way to go, that was way 2799 02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:57,120 less graphic than I had somehow anticipated. 2800 02:20:57,200 --> 02:20:58,840 The whole film is less graphic than you. 2801 02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:01,000 Yeah. You hear a lot about these 2802 02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:02,640 horrible things that happened. You don't see any of them. 2803 02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:05,640 And I don't know if that's a deliberate choice by the film 2804 02:21:05,640 --> 02:21:09,240 makers to turn it down or to have it be more haunting because 2805 02:21:09,240 --> 02:21:10,640 we're thinking about it more than we're seeing it. 2806 02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:13,960 But there's a lot of there's a lot of telling and not showing. 2807 02:21:13,960 --> 02:21:18,440 I don't know why I see it all. Yeah, I I certainly don't, but 2808 02:21:18,680 --> 02:21:21,760 it's caught me as a surprise. One of the most graphic things 2809 02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:23,360 to me in the film. It's probably not what you think 2810 02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:28,480 and actually, but hear me out. It's that very kind, like 2811 02:21:29,160 --> 02:21:32,320 psychedelic kind of scene when you've seen the woman and like, 2812 02:21:32,320 --> 02:21:34,720 her eyes are just like absent and glowing and stuff. 2813 02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:37,320 And it's like, because, you know, that's like within the 2814 02:21:37,320 --> 02:21:41,800 killer's mind, that's what he's putting over something really, 2815 02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:43,800 really fucking horrible. Yeah. 2816 02:21:44,360 --> 02:21:48,440 You know, like, that's one of the kind of, it isn't graphic 2817 02:21:48,440 --> 02:21:50,840 graphic, but it kind of gets under your skin because, you 2818 02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:54,800 know, that what you're seeing is how the killer, whether it be 2819 02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:56,920 through hallucinations, because I think the film does, like, 2820 02:21:56,920 --> 02:21:59,440 suggest that he's schizophrenic or whether it's just his mental 2821 02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:02,600 way of coping with it. Is that like, he's projecting 2822 02:22:02,600 --> 02:22:06,200 this over his actual experience of just doing something really 2823 02:22:06,400 --> 02:22:08,560 fucking awful to this woman's dead body? 2824 02:22:09,560 --> 02:22:11,560 Yeah. As far as missed opportunities 2825 02:22:11,720 --> 02:22:14,200 for me, much like Collateral, some Michael Mann film, but 2826 02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:18,200 doesn't really seem to leave you thinking what else could it have 2827 02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:22,440 fitted in and still worked well. So I'm going to go down just the 2828 02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:25,480 kind of light hearted way and say this film needed more close 2829 02:22:25,480 --> 02:22:30,240 up and film needed in general. Michael Mann precise close up 2830 02:22:30,360 --> 02:22:35,720 footage of turtles being hatched because after all, Will Graham's 2831 02:22:35,720 --> 02:22:37,880 got a little turtle hatchery and at the end of the film he does 2832 02:22:37,880 --> 02:22:41,120 seem most of them made it so. And I know that's that's that's 2833 02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:44,600 like, you know, a metaphor for saving people, but not everyone 2834 02:22:44,600 --> 02:22:46,600 gets saved. I know right as who you subtext 2835 02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:50,080 in the role cowards. But but yeah, it would nice to 2836 02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:53,520 see some like Michael Mann, Michael Mann animal footage and 2837 02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:57,200 Michael Mann wildlife documentary just snuck in there. 2838 02:22:57,400 --> 02:22:58,400 Beautiful. I love it. 2839 02:22:58,640 --> 02:22:59,360 Yeah. Yeah. 2840 02:22:59,400 --> 02:23:00,680 Cool. My only miss opportunity, I 2841 02:23:00,680 --> 02:23:02,960 think, and I mentioned it earlier on, is I think Reba 2842 02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:06,560 McClain, June, June Allen's character could have had a 2843 02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:09,920 little bit more, just a little bit more coverage, just we 2844 02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:11,000 understand her a little bit more. 2845 02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:13,200 I think she was a bit sidelined. Yeah, definitely. 2846 02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:18,600 But yeah, cool, right, Wow, that brings that draws Michael Manuri 2847 02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:22,920 to an end and also this edition of clear and present dudes. 2848 02:23:22,920 --> 02:23:26,240 So next we have the sum of all fears. 2849 02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:29,600 We're getting back on the Saint Tom of Clancy bus and we're 2850 02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:33,400 going to go and see a nuclear weapon be just. 2851 02:23:33,400 --> 02:23:35,800 Well, that's not spoiled, but we haven't seen some of our fears 2852 02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:39,800 in 2002. But wow, what a film dropped in 2853 02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:41,800 a dropped in a mad time. Yeah, cool. 2854 02:23:41,800 --> 02:23:44,160 I've been Mike. I've been joined by Rory 2855 02:23:44,160 --> 02:23:45,200 O'sulle. He's waves. 2856 02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:49,440 Yeah, you know, yes. It's not a teams meeting Rory, 2857 02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:51,200 it's a podcast. Yes, hi. 2858 02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:53,600 It's been great once again joining my 2 incredibly, 2859 02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:56,480 incredibly good friends here, Megan, Sonia talking about this 2860 02:23:56,480 --> 02:23:58,880 amazing film, but so nice to have the team back together with 2861 02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:00,920 Sonia. Sonia back online. 2862 02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:03,680 It's been an absolute pleasure. And Sonya. 2863 02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:08,560 Who once again apologises for making a mess of his personal 2864 02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:13,880 schedule the last time and going entirely and unexplainably 2865 02:24:13,880 --> 02:24:17,000 absent without leave. I don't know what was getting 2866 02:24:17,000 --> 02:24:19,080 into my head there. I'll make sure to be around the 2867 02:24:19,080 --> 02:24:20,400 next time as well. I'm. 2868 02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:22,480 Good. I've said that now. 2869 02:24:22,480 --> 02:24:25,000 Now I have set myself up for failure. 2870 02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:28,760 No, thank you all for for joining in and thanks for having 2871 02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,120 me back guys. Excellent. 2872 02:24:31,160 --> 02:24:31,920 OK, cool. You're. 2873 02:24:32,040 --> 02:24:33,720 Part of the team man. We would never not have your 2874 02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:35,080 back, buddy. Brilliant. 2875 02:24:35,080 --> 02:24:36,360 Thank you everybody for listening. 2876 02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:39,520 Please remember to like and subscribe and comments and to 2877 02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:41,600 any bit of engagement you feel necessary. 2878 02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:43,400 Comments and emails are also very welcome at 2879 02:24:43,400 --> 02:24:46,560 clearandpresentdudes@gmail.com. Join us on the socials. 2880 02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:50,600 And all I have to say is that, gentlemen, we have been. 2881 02:24:50,600 --> 02:24:54,400 Clear and present, dudes.