1 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:05,480 Mr Deans. Represents a clear and present 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,200 danger of national security of the United states you have no. 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:23,280 Idea what the Hello and welcome to season 2 of Clear and Present 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,920 Dudes, your thriller movie podcast. 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,120 We are back after our Christmas hiatus. 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,840 So happy New Year to all our loyal listeners and welcome to 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,200 our new listeners. I am Mike Tabar. 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,440 I'm joined here by our friend Rory O'Toole. 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,320 Hello. And our third, Sonya Bjorkson is 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,880 only here, but he could make it this evening. 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,480 But nevertheless, the show must go on. 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:45,640 We've got a few new updates, we've got a new sub stack, and 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,640 we'll start pumping out some sort of newsletter type posts to 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,840 give you a heads up on what was going on in the podcast. 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,280 Lots of exciting new stuff happening in the next few 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,600 months. We we're participating in 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,720 something called Podcast on in March, which is a big charitable 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,959 Dr that we are participating in for a charity called Trash Cats, 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,560 which is a home for a feral cats. 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,640 So more information on that in due course. 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,680 This month we are doing Michael Manury, which we alluded to the 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,640 end of last year, a celebration of the films of Michael Mann, 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,040 hence why we are starting today with Collateral. 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,880 Next week we're going to be talking about Manhunter, and 25 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,360 then after that, we've got a few more episodes lined up ready to 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,000 go, but I'm not going to tell any more than that. 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,640 Subscribe to Sub Stack and find out for yourself. 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,360 And as I'd like just to say, thank you very much for your 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,520 engagement over the last six or seven months of the podcast. 30 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:44,000 But as always, please feel free to come out on the Spotify like 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,720 and subscribe and comment on the YouTube or subscribe on the sub 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,640 sack or like and review and rate on Apple Podcasts. 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,960 Any, all any of these much appreciated. 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,720 Has a tremendous impact for very, very small podcasts like 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,880 ourselves just starting out. So yeah, any of that would be 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,600 greatly, greatly appreciated. Cool. 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,600 Roy, how was your Christmas New Year? 38 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Decent. Yeah, it was decent. 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:09,400 It was relatively, relatively trouble free and I've still got 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,680 significant amount of Boxing Day party food in the fridge. 41 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,600 It's still edible because it's all stuff like salami and stuff. 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,920 So I've got like enough to stock a couple of cheese boards going 43 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:21,280 forward. It was nice. 44 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,400 It was nice to recharge and think deeply about the films of 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,720 Michael Mann and keep repeating and keep repeating phrases like 46 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,680 nobody should cities like Michael Mann and holy shit, look 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,400 at that skyline and all those other things and. 48 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,160 LA is a really a character in the movie. 49 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,440 I know it's like I'm I'm terrible to say that it's a good 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:40,080 film. Blah. 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,760 The city's a character, but it is, yeah. 52 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,040 So I've, I've, I've watched this film three times recently. 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,480 I'm, I'm really excited by it. I am absolutely charged off for 54 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,400 Christmas of resting, recuperating, forward planning 55 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,080 for this excellent podcast and just getting really excited 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,160 every time you put in the group chat that you've seen like a 57 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,880 listener from another country. We've, we've just added Mexico 58 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:06,000 the the list, I believe. So as you said, we've got our 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,560 Mexican listeners got the foot of the floor in preparation for 60 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,040 Sicario. So that's going to be excellent. 61 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,640 I am excited. I'm excited for more potting 62 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:16,440 this year. Excellent. 63 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,520 So, without further ado, shall we head straight into our movie 64 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,000 of choice this week, Collateral. Absolutely. 65 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,720 Let's go, I got. Five stops to make. 66 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,560 What's your name? Max. 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,720 Max, I'm Vincent. I'll meet you in the alley 68 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:41,150 behind the building. You killed red light Max. 69 00:03:41,230 --> 00:03:43,230 Hold on, hold on, and. You were going to drive me 70 00:03:43,230 --> 00:03:44,430 around tonight and never be the wiser. 71 00:03:44,430 --> 00:03:48,840 But we're in the Plan B. Yeah, We got to make the best of 72 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,840 it, improvise, adapt to the environment. 73 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,320 Whatever, man. We got to roll with it. 74 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,400 You just met him once and you kill him like that. 75 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,200 But I certainly kill people after I get to know them. 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,120 I'm not up for this. What are you going to do about 77 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:07,360 it? There's. 78 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,280 A man named Vincent. I got another DOA. 79 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,120 He's already killed witnesses. He's coming to kill you. 80 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Welcome back. So we are discussing Collateral, 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,600 a 2004 American action thriller film directed and produced by 82 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,840 Michael Mann, written by Stuart Beatty and starring Tom Cruise 83 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:40,000 and Jamie Foxx, with the supporting cast including Jada 84 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,360 Pinkett Smith, Mark Ruffalo and a relative early rule, Peter 85 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Berg, who is more of a producer than an actor, but we'll get 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,800 into that in a bit. Javier Bardem, really early rule 87 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,160 and Bruce McGill, a recurring Michael Mann regular. 88 00:04:53,000 --> 00:05:00,120 The film follows Max Drucker, a Los Angeles cab driver, and his 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,120 customer Vincent, played by Tom Cruise. 90 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,640 He was offered a really high fare for driving to several 91 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,240 occasions in one night. Max agrees, but Simpson finds 92 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,800 himself taken just by Vincent. He turns out to be a sociopathic 93 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,160 hit man on a contract killing spree. 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,840 An incredible setup for a movie. Absolutely. 95 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,840 It's Tom Cruise in in villain mode. 96 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:20,960 Tom Cruise in scumbag mode. Really, you can. 97 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,560 You can tell that he loves being a Dick in this film. 98 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,080 You can tell that he's really enjoying being an absolute turbo 99 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,360 bastard. I hope to see more villainous 100 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,760 Tom Cruise performances now that he's kind of seemingly going 101 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,200 down the more independent kind of film route again with things 102 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,480 like Digger and stuff like that. So that's going to. 103 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,880 Be I was cast off the shawl of Ethan Hunt's The World's Goodest 104 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Guy. And he's going to be making 105 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:49,880 making film bro films again. Which this is definitely one of 106 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:55,800 those big film bro movie like. Like if you think about if Heat 107 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,600 is the peak film bro movie, this isn't the it's up there. 108 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,000 It's up there with Heat. Isn't it also Michael Mann, Of 109 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,360 course, In fact, yeah. Let's let's talk about the Tom 110 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Cruise little now. So Tom Cruise, Michael Mann, a 111 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,200 combination we didn't know we needed until it happened. 112 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,680 Yeah. Two guys who both have got an 113 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,840 incredible work ethic and if both got that that big push for 114 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:21,240 for realism and their films in slightly different ways. 115 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,840 I think like Michael Manners realism, I want this to be and 116 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:27,120 sound and look real and Tom Cruise very much. 117 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,000 I want to really do this, whatever it is. 118 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,440 And that drive together, it's a bit like, it's a bit like if you 119 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,280 have a boss and like you're second in command at work and 120 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:39,520 they're boasting off the same name sheet and it's just a it's 121 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,200 a nightmare because they just bounce off each other. 122 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,960 That's just good Izia's club after good Izia's club. 123 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,880 And that's just that's just what happened with this movie. 124 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,800 Like Michael Mann made Vincent Vincent, there's Tom Cruise go 125 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,080 around LA as a like a like a career dropping off you. 126 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,280 Guys like a FedEx delivery guy? Yeah, that's yeah. 127 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,920 What? So yeah, like to, to like go, 128 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,720 well, you're like the biggest star in Hollywood. 129 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,960 Can you, can you get around and detect an Ellie like a Hitman 130 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,080 would? And Tom was like, yeah, yeah. 131 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,520 Yeah, yeah. I love how this is like up there 132 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,640 with how I forget who was who directed Jordan of Arc, but like 133 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,560 he purposely made Billy Jovovich go out in like I think Paris on 134 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,840 the piss with like a bad Jordan of Arc bull cut just to get 135 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,760 paparazzi to some kind of a fucking humiliation ritual. 136 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,400 And it's like, what? It's that it's not that 137 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,680 humiliating because she's so Mila Jovovich, right? 138 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:36,080 And you're like fuck. And also like just the fact that 139 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,680 it's like you go out with humiliate yourself and get 140 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,160 daughter, sort of say you Tom Cruise, go out and be among the 141 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,080 people and hide yourself among them and somehow covertly be a 142 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,280 FedEx Courier. It's wild to me. 143 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,720 There's a couple of homework assignments that Michael Mann 144 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,200 had with the cast doing this. You had you had Jimmy Fox drive 145 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,240 an actual LA cab around and take fares for like 3 weeks or 146 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,480 something before filming started. 147 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,720 So just just spent, you're going to be a cab driver now. 148 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,120 Did he keep, did he have to keep tips? 149 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,320 I don't know. He's more efficient than the job 150 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,440 centre on getting people employed, to be honest, Like I 151 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,320 think really is Mr is Mr Colon with I mean, I mean would have 152 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,680 lost a significant amount of films, but also more people 153 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,240 would have found work really quickly. 154 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,840 You know, it's like. Sign on for a Michael Mann movie 155 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,040 you got like. Back when work experience meant 156 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,320 something, yeah. The other big one for Michael 157 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Mann is this is the all the arms training he had everybody do 158 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,920 before the movie as well. So we had like months and months 159 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,840 of they got a former SAS guy called Mick Gould. 160 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:34,720 I probably shouldn't have said the name, but it's on the 161 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,039 Internet so who cares. But yeah, as as the weapons 162 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:40,960 trainer and he had obviously Tom Cruise all over it, loves it. 163 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:42,720 Jimmy Fox obviously got into it as well. 164 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,640 My interesting one I thought was that Mark Ruffalo had to do the 165 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,800 training as well. Three months of marksmanship 166 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,520 training, live ammunition with A9 mill pistol and he doesn't 167 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,760 even discharge a firearm in the movie just just so you could 168 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,520 convincingly carry it. Attention to detail, man. 169 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,400 Attention to detail, you know. Yeah. 170 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:04,960 Michael Mann is my guy. Honestly, attention to detail. 171 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,160 Everyone in the film looks really competent with the 172 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,720 firearms except for obviously for Max. 173 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,840 Because he's meant to not be confident and meant to be meant 174 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,520 to be like unaware of how to use it properly and stuff. 175 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,560 And yes, and he has terrible fucking for muddy shooting for a 176 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,920 reason, you know, And it's perfect. 177 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,920 Brilliant. Yeah, it's great. 178 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,880 We'll come back onto firearms in a bit as we get through the 179 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,560 film, I think. But yeah, big time. 180 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,640 The other big thing I think people, I'm just going to take 181 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,800 off all the film real talking points before we get started, so 182 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,640 we're not like tripping upon ourselves as we go. 183 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:37,920 You know. The big one about this movie, of 184 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,080 course, is that it was shot in a combination of 35 mil for the 185 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,960 endorse sequences and famously quite early digital for the 186 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,640 outdoor. And the reason for that is that 187 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,600 they filmed it actually at night, obviously. 188 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,480 Yeah, in real locations around LA. 189 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,040 So they wanted a compact camera set, but they could carry 190 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,520 around, I suppose, but primarily going to a camera that could 191 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:02,360 handle really low light situations with digital at the 192 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,600 time. And I think nowadays it doesn't 193 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,480 look that different. And I don't want to get into the 194 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,960 proper nerdy, like what kind of camera it was and what kind of 195 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,440 stuff it's not this is not that kind of podcast. 196 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,040 But yeah, the the digital cameras could handle a lot lower 197 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,400 level light, give it that kind of grainy look though. 198 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,560 And it gave it that kind of like, I'm going to say this and 199 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:25,440 I'm and I don't, I don't mean to like sound like dismissive when 200 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,360 I say it, but it looks like a bit like a student movie in the 201 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,240 sense that it's made with like Sean Digital as opposed to real 202 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:35,640 film because and and it has like kind of the not motion 203 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,000 smoothing, but there is a bit of motion blur because it's low 204 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,480 light. Yeah. 205 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:43,880 And then pumped up the brightness afterwards. 206 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Suppose. Yeah. 207 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,440 So the way that the motion on the screen looks is 208 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,760 fundamentally different from how it looks on film, and that 209 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,080 effect is now predated because of advances in digital 210 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,600 filmmaking. That's where I'm going with 211 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,760 that. So what that does is it gives 212 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,720 this movie a really unique look, and that wasn't really 213 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,920 replicated too much. The only the film I can think of 214 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,880 at the top of my head that looks a bit like it is Inland Empire 215 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,880 by David Lynch. Yeah, yeah. 216 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,080 Deliberately wants to have an ugly greedy look that was that 217 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,000 was part of the language of the film in that particular 218 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,120 instance. Film bro out but but. 219 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,240 Film Bro now cancelled. Yeah. 220 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,720 But what what I want to say is that looks, the look of the 221 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,360 camera work on this, not camera work, because that implies the 222 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,040 movement of the camera and that's not what I'm saying. 223 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,600 The look of the visual information on screen from the 224 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,760 camera looks a bit like lower budget and amateurish, but that 225 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,080 hides so much of incredible craft in this film. 226 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,160 So the stunt work is incredible. The actual lighting of inside 227 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,640 the cabin and stuff to make the movie look the way it does. 228 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,320 Incredible. All the action sequences, 229 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,480 including the shortened film sequence inside the club later 230 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,640 on, great. But how they've shot that to 231 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,520 make it look with it as if it's in the same film as this, also 232 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,680 genius. Yeah, So God, right. 233 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,760 I'm speaking it out about it, but it looks amazing. 234 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,320 No, it'll be right, especially about the kind of the kind of 235 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,680 student film thinkers obviously haven't have haven't worked on 236 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,920 student films as a composer. Loved it by the way. 237 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,200 It was absolute class working with like some students doing 238 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,840 music for them. A kind of unifying like theme of 239 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,640 like a lot of student films is like your film again night in 240 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,760 the city that you know, because you know, most universities are 241 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,000 in an urban setting. Most students are doing stuff 242 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,240 through the day. So it makes sense that you're 243 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,640 shooting stuff for nights. So that again, it kind of pales 244 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,520 in on the whole student film kind of vibe that it has like 245 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,520 and it works it that's like this film, right, with the way it's 246 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,960 shot, it digs in to every memory of a night out you've ever had 247 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,320 in the city. You know everything. 248 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,840 It's got that kind of like a little bit like dreamlike kind 249 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,760 of feeling. This film, the night time scenes 250 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,720 to me feel like all at about half three in the morning. 251 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,240 And another narcos of the film obviously has like has a 252 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,480 chronology that follow us, but all the night time scenes feel 253 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,040 like 3 in the morning. It's like half, three, half 254 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,640 three in the morning. The scene when he's at the 255 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,000 petrol station, it's like hardly anyone about and he's getting 256 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,440 given some shit about, you know, getting people killed in that. 257 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,000 It's fantastic ways of making this incredibly populous city 258 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,440 with its huge economy, the eighth biggest in the world or 259 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,560 whatever, as he says in the in the in the taxi, making this big 260 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:15,880 city seem empty at times. And it's absolutely class where 261 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,640 it's put together. It's and you get the feeling 262 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,360 like only someone who knows that that place knows the spots to 263 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,640 make it just look so frigging barren yet also full of people, 264 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,120 if you say what I mean. Yeah. 265 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,120 Oh, totally. I think this movie is pretty 266 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,760 well regarded by people from LA, as well as a great LA film. 267 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,000 I think there's a documentary called What's It called, LA 268 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,600 starring as itself or something it's called, which is about the 269 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,000 history of LA in film. A lot of people talk about it 270 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:46,800 predates this film by a couple of years. 271 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,320 But one of the criticisms of movies up until this point, and 272 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,440 I suppose if you include things like the nice guys and stuff 273 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,480 that would come later and maybe LA confidential to a certain 274 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,520 extent. A lot of films about LA to LA in 275 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,280 a very different light. A very, very, very positive, 276 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,480 very clean palm trees. You know, since a bit about all 277 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,200 ice and don't go into the CD in the belly. 278 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,560 Don't talk about crime as much as they do. 279 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,680 Obviously Predator 2 doesn't do that, but. 280 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,480 Oh my God. The. 281 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,880 Auto slum, that is for that too. It's. 282 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,680 A story of story of two halves, isn't it? 283 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,000 The office? But I think what people really 284 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,960 love about this is like there you see bits of the city that 285 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,560 you don't necessarily always see. 286 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,600 But I say that because despite the fact that this film is kind 287 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,520 of like a bit of a patriot quilt of LA geographically. 288 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,640 Like when he's driving for one place to the next and you're 289 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,760 seeing all the shots in the over the, was it the I-10 or whatever 290 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,160 it is Hwy that they're going across. 291 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,680 And like, I think geographically it doesn't physically make sense 292 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,440 to go from this location to this street to this street to this 293 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,280 street. And if you were watching it and 294 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,960 you were from LA and you like ingested LA and you lived there 295 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,440 and you were big in the film culture and stuff and you 296 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,480 watched it and you were as nerdy as we are, you'd probably go, 297 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,600 oh, well, you know what? That isn't that route doesn't 298 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,200 look right. However, it looks amazing 299 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,800 because it's great. He's he's found all these great 300 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,680 shots and there's all these great moments and actually it 301 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,600 transcends that. OK, cool, right. 302 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,040 Should we? I'll just get into it a little 303 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,120 bit. So Carroll was released in the 304 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,360 US on August the 6th, 2004. Bruce, over $220 million 305 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,480 worldwide, received critical acclaim, in particular for 306 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,960 performances of Cruising, Fox Man's directing and editing, And 307 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,200 it was one of the top ten films of 2004, according to the 308 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,040 National Board of Review. And the 77th Academy Awards. 309 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Fox received a nomination for best supporting actor. 310 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,280 He also won that, Yeah, for best actor in Ray, but he got a best 311 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,040 supporting actor nom for this. And the editors, Jim Miller and 312 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,680 Paul Ruble, were also nominated for best film editing, but also 313 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,320 won, I think, a BAFTA for best cinematography. 314 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:59,320 Max Drocker is Ala Cab Driver, and I'm reading this from 315 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,680 Wikipedia, and it says he's trying to save his earnings and 316 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,040 start his own limousine business. 317 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,840 But I think the fundamental truth of this film is that he's 318 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,160 not really doing that. Yeah, it's as he cops, isn't it? 319 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,840 It's like, I mean. It's the lie that he needs to 320 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,760 believe that sticks him in his current life. 321 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,840 One of the evenings fairs, though, is federal prosecutor 322 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,480 Annie Farrell Jada Pinkett Smith, who works for the US 323 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,320 Attorney for the Central District of California. 324 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,080 They start the conversation and they have a bit of floating and 325 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,960 it's kind of great. It's important. 326 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,280 I think it's a pivotal scene at the start of the movie as a 327 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:40,960 fundamental character beat for for Fox and also gives the the 328 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,240 film it's kind of hard that we that it needs to rely on in the 329 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,000 very back, the very back end of it. 330 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,160 Yeah, totally. What do you think? 331 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,240 So bear with me here, but I've seen a lot. 332 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,120 I've seen not a lot, but I've seen a few reviews of this film 333 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,480 on Letterbox to have gripes against the fact that Max has 334 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,720 the second kind of badass transformation later in the 335 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,760 film. Obviously for all our new 336 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,240 listeners slash viewers, this is a spoiler cast. 337 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,200 We do talk about the films in details. 338 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,920 We are we are going to spoil things. 339 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,920 If you haven't seen the film, we're still going to be here in 340 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,960 two hours time. Let's get this film watch it's 341 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,280 key. No, man, it's really good. 342 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:24,119 So this opening scene, the opening kind of banter and stuff 343 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,760 that he has on, like the way he speaks to about the personality 344 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,400 that he reflects with her is not reflected again in the film at 345 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,360 the charisma level. And the conference is not 346 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:34,000 reflected again for quite some time. 347 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,800 And then later Bunny has this, that kind of badass reveal. 348 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,920 He locks right in and he starts being a badass, you know, and 349 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,720 I've seen reviews saying that this is like this, this is one 350 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,920 of the worst parts of film because he has this like great 351 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,360 transformation, but you see the roots of it in this particular 352 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:54,600 opening scene. And when we do get the bit, when 353 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,040 he shows himself as being proper, proper steely, I'll cut 354 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 into why I think this underlines it. 355 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,000 So that's a bit of a spoiler for 45 minutes time or whatever. 356 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,120 It's brilliant though. That's a really good point. 357 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:09,960 I'm glad you raised that because I was going to. 358 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,080 If you weren't going to do it, I was going to lose to it 359 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,760 actually. Because you do see him. 360 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,480 You don't know him yet. Really. 361 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,520 Yeah. What we do see is he's like 362 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,600 super Uber clean. He has his little routine. 363 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,040 He's a little bit dowdy looking, looks like someone's dad and 364 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,280 he's got like, he's got like a little hoodie on. 365 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,200 And he's not, he doesn't. He doesn't turn himself 366 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,000 absolutely well, but he's taking a lot of pride in the appearance 367 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,880 of the cat is what I'm getting from it. 368 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,800 He's close to Careworn, is what I'm saying. 369 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he transcends that to become 370 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,480 like this really charismatic operator when when he starts 371 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,760 talking to to Annie. Absolutely. 372 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,040 And you see this, this is that kind of transcendence again 373 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,600 later on. I mean, so prior at the scene 374 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,960 with Annie, part of the film that I loved was just the bits 375 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,520 when he's kind of getting ready for his shift. 376 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,640 When you see him getting ready for his shift when he's at the 377 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:08,640 garage, when there's a little bit of a dust up between between 378 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,840 the between a couple of drivers over one of the cars or 379 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,040 something. And then you see you see Max 380 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,200 getting in his vehicle and he's slipping his little island photo 381 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,560 in there. And he's just and and yeah, he's 382 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,040 he's a fastidious clean guy. But just the way, the way that 383 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,680 that whole sequence is shot with the kind of close up Sonic, the 384 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,280 tool kits and people work on things. 385 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,360 And it's like, it's again, it's it's Michael Mann's kind of 386 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,240 realism. It looks, it looks like it was 387 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,320 shot in a fully working like taxi garage. 388 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,760 You know, I mean, maybe. And it's Michael Mann. 389 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,320 You know, I mean, I mean, you might have really made Tom 390 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,240 Cruise work as a hitman for six years. 391 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,320 Who knows? It's Michael Mann. 392 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,360 Nobody knows what he can do. No one knows what Michael Mann's 393 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:52,360 capable of. It's this attention to detail 394 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,520 again that just makes everything pop massively. 395 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:04,000 Things about Max's taxi as CD collection on the sun visor. 396 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,960 You've seen that one, one of those like, CD caddies from back 397 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,480 in the day when when, when the world moved slower and was less 398 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:18,040 insane and we all had like, Cdr fucking burned mixtapes in this. 399 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,080 Yeah, there's a lot of storytelling about Max within 400 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,920 his car. And it's not even his car. 401 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,240 It's a Cardstone by the company, right? 402 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,360 But like, you see him take ownership of it and you see him 403 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,800 put his little brand on it as as an island thing. 404 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,080 And yeah, then we're seeing him have that awkward drive with a 405 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,360 quite shouty couple and then straight away gets he gets Annie 406 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,120 and it was car. He reads a he reads a 407 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:44,120 personality. He's aware of what she does. 408 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:48,240 He identifies the kind of bag that she's wearing to a he works 409 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,360 out that she's a lawyer, you know, and she wasn't as 410 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:54,400 incredibly a shoot at sets a lot of drone work for how the film's 411 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,720 going to go. And I think it really shows this 412 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,640 film is from a time that we'll never have again. 413 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,440 I mean, I know kind of pretty much every film is is like, 414 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,040 that's every film's like a snapshot, isn't it? 415 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,040 What's made and when it's set? This is the time when GPS 416 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,720 exists. Mobile phones that can receive 417 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,200 emails exist, but it still takes a really good cubby to tell you 418 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,400 it's going to be 12 minutes to your destination. 419 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,320 And here's the. Way to go. 420 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,920 You know, it's it's like 2000s kids will never understand. 421 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,840 You know, I'm going to say go up there with with with like 422 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,320 regular taxi company, be told he's just from the corner even 423 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,960 in a minute. These things probably don't 424 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,240 happen anymore. But yeah, so Max is a real 425 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,440 everyman hero and he's, it lays down a lot of groundwork for his 426 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,240 development in this opening, the opening sequences in which he's 427 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,400 saying pick Annie up. Yeah, it also if you're equalise 428 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,720 you'd you'd kind of, I think you'd be able to infer from 429 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,400 looking at that, that because he doesn't say it out loud, but you 430 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,760 can tell by the way he's like got that cab that is it's not 431 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,680 really a temporary job for him. He says to Annie, it's 432 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,160 temporary, but we can tell already that he's pretty well 433 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,840 established in this cab. And it's not just like a short 434 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,240 term thing where he's just got into a random cab and it's taken 435 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,880 it for the day. Like he's got his cab and he's 436 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,960 got his stuff on there and he looks after it and it's like, 437 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,600 yeah. So when you hear later on in the 438 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,600 movie that he's been doing it for 12 years, you're not 439 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,640 supposed to say what actually we've missed a really important 440 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,640 point before we get into this. The very first opening shot of 441 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,720 this movie, the very first scene is the arrival into LAX of Tom 442 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,960 Cruise's Vincent. And there's A and he has a 443 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:40,200 briefcase swap with A1 Mr Yeah, Jason. 444 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,520 Statham. Holy crap. 445 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,800 Yeah. And you know, the guy who did 446 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,040 the Transporter films has, has like probably said that he 447 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,520 believes that's actually Jason Statham's character from the 448 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,400 Transporter. As well. 449 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,600 That's just a little. Read on. 450 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,840 That's his kind of head. Kind of. 451 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,360 I love that one. Very strange. 452 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,560 Yeah, Really weird. Really weird. 453 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,480 Very jarring to see. Yeah, it's it's a baller move 454 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,600 opening a film with with Joyce and Styphin, who's never seen 455 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,960 again after that. Like, it is an absolute baller 456 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,200 move. There's like no kind of Jason 457 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,720 Statham comes back in the third act to snap some decks and cash 458 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,400 some cheques. He just appears for a few books. 459 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,400 It could have been anyone doing that bag drop. 460 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,000 It could have been literally someone from Central Casting any 461 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,440 kind of random extra that didn't even need dialogue. 462 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,720 Yeah, Michael Mann chose to Michael Mann all over the place 463 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,880 and just pull Jason statement. You're all right, mate. 464 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,120 You're all right mate. He's like. 465 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,760 Oh, sorry to bump into you. Oh, it's all right, mate. 466 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,760 No, don't worry about me. You enjoy your day, mate. 467 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:52,600 You enjoy your day. I'm the transporter. 468 00:23:52,600 --> 00:24:00,400 I am. You enjoy it, I'm going to go 469 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,880 get a Taco. Jesus Christ, I don't know where 470 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,880 that came from. Cool. 471 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,520 So that actually happens is Max picks up a new passenger and it 472 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,360 is one Mr Tom Cruise as Vincent's already kind of a bit 473 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,240 of a weird jarring. We've always seen him, of 474 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,160 course, but now we're getting a proper look at him and it's a 475 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,720 weird sight, isn't it? Tom Cruise? 476 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,840 Pretty jarring at the time, I think. 477 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,640 Tom Cruise, grey hair, Yeah. And an old beard. 478 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,800 And he starts up a conversation with with Max and he's probing 479 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,720 for information pretty quickly. Like he's, he's feeling him out, 480 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,320 you know? Yeah, yeah, like he's kind of, 481 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,880 he's kind of social engineering to like get to get us a bunch of 482 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,880 information as he can, isn't he? Yeah. 483 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,160 And I think Max is a little bit in on it because he he doesn't, 484 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,960 he gets a little bit a little bit reserved. 485 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,280 He doesn't want to answer all the questions. 486 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,880 Yeah, I don't want he starts getting proved about the 487 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,360 limousine thing. He doesn't want to talk about 488 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,160 the limousine thing, even though he was super happy to talk about 489 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,880 it with Annie. Yeah. 490 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,960 So there's a bit of cool twitching as he is less 491 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:03,280 comfortable around Vincent. Yeah, I think in general the 492 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,720 taxi driver is probably going to be a bit more cautious from 493 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,560 some, some weird dude, you know, and then then like, alas, I 494 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,080 think it's like Kenneth is what it is. 495 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,200 I mean, obviously the if what it goes like signs. 496 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,080 Haven't you seen? Our driver only carries like $5 497 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,000 and change. I mean, being being robbed like 498 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080 the back of a taxi from the back of a taxi. 499 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,760 Sorry is something that's a real thing that happens. 500 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,640 And I think maybe he's less suspicious of a woman than a 501 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,440 dude kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 502 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,080 They've in in. They've got a bulletproof 503 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,720 partition because fellas draw heat, but the driver has got a 504 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,800 pick of one up under his seat. I'm sorry, but yeah, like, yeah, 505 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,240 like, you're right. Like he feels himself being 506 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,640 needled and he's like I. Think, I think what screws him 507 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,960 in the end is however, he's a God damn professional and when 508 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,560 he gets asked how long it would take to make their first trip, 509 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,120 he says it's precisely 17 minutes. 510 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:06,200 And Vincent catches on to that. And again, contrasting with the 511 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,680 the the chat with Annie, they have a similar thing where 512 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,640 they'd argue about the the best route to take. 513 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,880 That kind of is brought up again by by Vincent. 514 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,520 He wants to do a similar thing but he's like, I've already 515 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,480 given up my free ride today. Yes, that's not part of a line. 516 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Yeah, And he's like, I'm not doing it, which has already 517 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,280 shown you like the rapport is not there. 518 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,080 Like the initial rapport is not there. 519 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,840 There is there is something weird good on here. 520 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,240 And it's a bit weird and not, not not comfortable. 521 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,200 However, he does make it in exactly what, 17 minutes? 522 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,720 And then he tries to like blow it off like modestly like, oh, I 523 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,280 gotta look at the lights. It's not a big deal. 524 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,360 That's when he gets offers the opportunity of a of a lifetime 525 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,800 to make a, to make a lot of money by being on retainer for 526 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,520 the rest of the evening, which is he's not going to do. 527 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,880 But then he gets flashed a big verge of money and we have our 528 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,320 first stop. Vince goes in the first 529 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,200 building, Max drives his car into the alleyway, and then a 530 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,200 pretty quick reality check occurs. 531 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,680 Yeah, when? What? 532 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,200 He just hands on the rant on the car, Yeah. 533 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,640 It's a guy got damn are. You OK? 534 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,840 Are you OK, buddy? You're OK. 535 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,400 Man, you're OK. It's like, no, no, no, he's 536 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,640 extremely dead. He's incredibly not OK. 537 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,920 Yeah, yeah, that is the first victim and I think his name is 538 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,040 Ramon. We don't. 539 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,560 What I like about this movie actually is that we are just 540 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,640 dropped straight into it with this stuff and there's no wider 541 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,000 grip. The conspiracy. 542 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,560 It's not like Heat where we meet like 30 odds different key 543 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,080 players over the course of the movie and understand the the 544 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,800 size of this particular criminal enterprise. 545 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,360 There are people all over the place on this and we see some of 546 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,000 them and we don't understand the full picture. 547 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,520 We never understand the full picture at the end of the movie. 548 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,960 It's really tightly focused. That's not a bit wanky. 549 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,120 But when I say it's focused, I mean we are in that car. 550 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,720 We are either in that car or we are following Mark Ruffalo 551 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,960 around and that's it. That's all we see. 552 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,520 We see, we see it from the ground. 553 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,600 We see it from the LAPD, the one good detective in LAPD, and we 554 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,080 see it from this one taxi driver. 555 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:10,840 And that's all. That's all the. 556 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,040 One good one. Yeah, everyone did get. 557 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,480 One every city gets, 1 you got. One observant, like mortal 558 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,600 detective. It was OK and the rest are all 559 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,720 like dirt bags, right? Yeah. 560 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,200 Mean the sport with Bruce Willis and striking distance, you know. 561 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,840 Yeah, Bosch, man. So it's a Bosch? 562 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,520 There we go. Yeah, Bosch. 563 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,560 Probably gets takes over from a. What's he called Fanning is a 564 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,320 mocker. For Fanning. 565 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,920 Yeah, yeah. Anyway, yeah. 566 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,000 So yeah, this is the reality check, the big wake up call cats 567 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440 out of the bag. And then Vincent comes down and 568 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360 I tell you what I also like about this is, and we're going 569 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,120 to see it as we go through all the all the different hits is 570 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920 the movie isn't shy about it being a bit of a it's almost 571 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,840 like a play in times because you've got this, you've got this 572 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,520 really like you've got these plot actions taking place. 573 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,480 And there's a bunch of like real life human emotions and 574 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:06,840 reactions you'd have to all that stuff. 575 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,000 And every now and again, the movies kind of steps away from 576 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,200 that and goes, well, let's have a philosophical conversation 577 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,640 about where we're each in our lives as well. 578 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,080 Yeah. And the way that would never 579 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,000 happen if this was really happening. 580 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,560 Yeah, I know. It's, I mean, if this really 581 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,360 happened, everyone's adrenaline would be up so high that it's 582 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,000 just the real. The real film is just Max 583 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,880 driving round, fucking screaming, screaming, sweating 584 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,920 the death, gibbering, shaking, screaming, crying, throwing up 585 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,920 and just just Vincent telling me shut up for the entire film. 586 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,800 Most of most of Vincent's style would have shut up. 587 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,880 Max casually double back to what you said about how kind of 588 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,840 sparse the storytelling is regarding the targets for for 589 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,800 Vincent. Can you imagine like James Gunn 590 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,360 made this movie like that? They'd be like a three or four 591 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,960 minute sequence when each of the guys who's getting hit gets gets 592 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,360 short and like there's, there's, there's like a freeze frame, but 593 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,160 the guy's name comes up like a Ramon El Gordo, whatever. 594 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,440 I always have been like smoking is. 595 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,360 It's like Joe Collagen smoking. Yeah, like, like like Suicide 596 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,360 Squad or something. Like that? 597 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,800 Yeah, yeah. Well, it's like a freeze frame 598 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,200 and there's like the name and some factoids about the black 599 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,160 Golf handicappers and stuff like that. 600 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,200 And I like that you don't really see any kind of real 601 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,400 introduction them. Like you said, Michael Mann has 602 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,760 the ability to like cut the fat off things and still have a big 603 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,400 sweeping, expansive film. Mission focus on this is is a 604 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,320 key is key driver for the plot. Do you never feel like the 605 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,160 progression of time? Weirdly, it feels like you're 606 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,400 stuck in stasis, like, like this guy is trapped and there's one 607 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,920 never ending night. And yet there's also a ticking 608 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,000 clock on it at the same time. Because come sunrise, there's 609 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,000 going to be the Mac Guffin of the movie, which is the grand 610 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,360 jury indictment with the evidence being given as, as we 611 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,160 later learned in the movie, that the people on the on the hit 612 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,400 list of witnesses in a, in a, in a, in a large federal case. 613 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,600 Yeah. So at this point, Vincent 614 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,200 reveals himself to be Hitman, forces Max to hide the body in 615 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320 the trunk, and then they kind of clean up the car a little bit 616 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,520 and they're going to continue driving already. 617 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,240 Like this is a massive set back because the car is dinged up. 618 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,080 Max has obviously found out that he's a hit man, which he 619 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,040 probably wasn't intended to at all, never mind any point during 620 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,040 the night. And now, yeah, cats out the 621 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,520 back. So off to the races as I like to 622 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,760 say. Yeah, it also features a great 623 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,600 incredibly cooled lane from from Vincent, which was perfectly 624 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,160 about when he says you promise not to tell anyone, right? 625 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,760 And it's just like he just, he just puts that tiny bit of 626 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,400 naivety, that false naivety in the way he says it enough to 627 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,920 kind of build just enough trust in Max and Max to say, yeah, you 628 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440 know, and it's like, Max, you're going to get killed at the end 629 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,240 of this night. You're going to get murdered, 630 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,640 you know? And it's such a hard line. 631 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,640 There are so many great lines. Tom Cruise lovers in this film. 632 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,080 It's like he's fucking with him as well. 633 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,200 He's like, he promised anyone, right? 634 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,240 Yeah, yeah. Get the car. 635 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,320 Like you idiot. Of course we're doing this. 636 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,800 This is happening, man. This is happening to you now. 637 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280 He's got the programme. You have a cold lining to lives 638 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,360 on. This bit is when Max says, like, 639 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,280 you killed him. He's like, no, I shot him. 640 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,960 The bullets in the fall killed him. 641 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,920 And it's like, OK, edge Lord. Edging man, it's honesty. 642 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,400 Be careful man, you might cut yourself on the edge of like 90% 643 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,320 of his dialogue. But yeah, it's like I'm a deal 644 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,480 as baby. Quite by chance, Mark Ruffalo's 645 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,480 character A You don't even recognise him when you first see 646 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,840 him because he's got his slicked back hair. 647 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640 He's got his goatee. Yeah, a leather jacket. 648 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,680 He's got a little earring. He's. 649 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,080 Earring, yeah. He's like Mark Ruffalo in 650 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,320 earring scumbag mode. He's like a pirate. 651 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,480 Yes, he's like, he's, he's, he's, he's like a pirate of the 652 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,320 streets. Heard of the streets. 653 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,040 And he just happens to be going to see one of his CIS who was 654 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,000 the first victim, obviously for like other stuff, not just this, 655 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,840 this big case, I guess. Yeah. 656 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,840 And he just so happens to not be available because, you know, 657 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,440 he's quite dead. Yeah. 658 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,320 But that's how he gets into the story. 659 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560 So we have this one LAPD detective who's like, oh, I 660 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,520 smell a rat. And he shows his chops. 661 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,760 I I like, I like how he calls on the phone for a night detective. 662 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,160 Yeah. And that sounds like that's a Oh 663 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,840 yeah, You see, it's your crime protection, but. 664 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,040 Yeah. Oh, it is. 665 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,440 It's like, it's like it's a sexy version. 666 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,840 Man, dude, I need to get you into Bosch in a big way. 667 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,600 Yes. Like, I mean, obviously a night 668 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,560 detective is probably a thing. I imagine elucidating me as to 669 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,520 what a night detective is, because you'll probably know I 670 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,840 don't. From my from only from my my 671 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,800 knowledge of watching Bosch and I don't even know how here is 672 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,560 Bosch happens to also be set in LA, right? 673 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,560 And he works in like West Hollywood and there are 674 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,040 different ranks of detective in the LAPD. 675 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,040 So like D1D2D3 increasing in seniority as they go. 676 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,880 And Bosch is like AD 3. The junior ones, they obviously 677 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,400 get partnered up with like a more senior one. 678 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,639 But when they get in their details, he can also pull like 679 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,800 one of the jobs can just be like a night detective like so 680 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,520 there's always someone who's got like the the shit like it's 681 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,080 like, it's almost like you like you've got to pay your dues. 682 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,480 You've got to do your times of the night detective. 683 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,239 That's it's exactly what it sounds like. 684 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,920 So yeah. And actually sounds like one of 685 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,239 those like job titles that's like really cool. 686 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,320 But as you've just like Lucidated, there is actually 687 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,440 kind of the shit end of the stick as far as network goes. 688 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,639 It's like. Shit jobs on. 689 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,600 Yeah, yeah. It's like, what do you do? 690 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,719 I'm a note detective. Oh, that's cool. 691 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,159 Yeah. No further questions about that. 692 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:43,480 Just imagine, the job's really cool. 693 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:43,960 Right. Yeah. 694 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,360 All those Michael Connelly novels, they all have like a 695 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,440 little section where it's like the detective on watch and 696 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,400 they're like dripping about how shit it is. 697 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,440 Like one of these characters is is called Renee Ballard and 698 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,200 she's got her own like TV series now, like spin off series on 699 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,040 Amazon. I think it is. 700 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,120 But like the one I've just started reading was like here on 701 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,080 New Year's Eve as a night detective, like fucking kicking 702 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,920 off there. So not not glamorous. 703 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,400 We came up to one of the coolest bits of the movie. 704 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,040 However, second stop Vincent has not yet developed a rapport of 705 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,280 trust with Max, quite reasonably so. 706 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,880 He cable ties Max hands to the steering wheel as he goes 707 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,240 through his second hit of the evening. 708 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,240 I can't even remember if we even see the hit. 709 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,320 I don't think we do. We see nothing of the hit. 710 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,200 We'll see the guy going downstairs after being told 711 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,400 someone's. It's the it's the attorney and 712 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,120 he and the cover he has to get there. 713 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,480 As he says he's a notary to somebody off screen. 714 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,680 Yeah, yeah. So you seem going to meet him. 715 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,400 That's the last we see of the guy until we see his body in the 716 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,800 morgue. I like the like super late at 717 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,240 night notary. He's like the night notary. 718 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,680 It's a significant about the jobs this little bit, just like 719 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,720 Job Taylor with night in front of it. 720 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,360 It's a night notary, the night witness. 721 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,200 Hate witness. I like it. 722 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,640 Weird, but the true story's happening in the cab with Max. 723 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,600 Yeah. So he is trying to get 724 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,760 attention. He's trying to try to get 725 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,800 himself released from the cab, obviously wants to do the right 726 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,840 thing, talk to the police, all that kind of good jazz. 727 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,680 But he didn't count on LA being against him. 728 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,680 Yeah, he's not even at this point because, because, because 729 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,360 I will say he does like swing around a bit of naivety at the 730 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,960 start. Sometimes it seems quite 731 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,200 switched on. But the first act of the film he 732 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,040 seems to pivot from naive to actually quite astute. 733 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,760 And he's naive here when he thinks these, these these lads 734 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,760 will help. Or maybe maybe he's aware that 735 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,920 Ellie has got dirt bugs in it, which probably is, and he's just 736 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,560 hoping for someone nicer, which again, is very optimistic. 737 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,120 And it is is poorly placed optimism in the people of the 738 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,680 City of Angels. They are real scumbags. 739 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,040 They do not hesitate to rob him. And one of them is tweaking hard 740 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,720 because like, he's like, give me a wallet. 741 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,000 And he's like, dude, can't you see my hands are fucking cable 742 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,160 tied to the steering wheel? He's like, I don't give a cat. 743 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,680 I don't give a fuck what they're cable tied to. 744 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,600 Give me the wallet's like. I say the fact that the cable 745 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,160 tied to anything you doylum means that I can't access 746 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,800 anything. You fucking clamp it. 747 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,800 Yeah, absolutely moron. Then he's like jackpot. 748 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,160 And he grabs, grabs Tom Cruise's briefcase, the iconic briefcase. 749 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,600 And they and those guys just start walking away. 750 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,520 And man, I've watched this movie a few times in my life, but I've 751 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,160 watched this clip probably dozens upon dozens of times. 752 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,880 And it's weird when you watch a clip so often that that you you 753 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,760 kind of lock into it when it when it starts happening in the 754 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,800 movie, you're like. Yeah. 755 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,720 But you know, like that bit is like so much clearer in my in my 756 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,320 memory. Yeah, it's those guys walking 757 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,800 away from the car in the alley and then crews appearing. 758 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,680 Yeah. And then delivering the iconic 759 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,960 line. Go hold me that my briefcase. 760 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,520 Yes, yeah, man, and I want. Your fucking wallet. 761 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,560 Yeah, and that obviously just leads into one of the greatest 762 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,000 short little nasty, brutal gunfight sequences. 763 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,440 Brilliant. It's already gunfight because 764 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,480 it's just like no one fights back at all. 765 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,800 It's just incredible cinema gunplay. 766 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,320 It's amazing. Brutal execution, yeah. 767 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,960 Going above and beyond any reasonable force that the 768 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,840 situation requires. Which which I've done my fair 769 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,880 share of research and it was we may discuss later. 770 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,960 Brutal sequence, but just elevated by the the Yoho me that 771 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,760 my briefcase. Where did it? 772 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,600 Where did that come from? Just again, it's code switching 773 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:39,520 and it's and as a way of my, my, my, my personal read on it is we 774 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,080 talk a lot about. But if you see like if you read 775 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,000 like a lot of discourse online, a recurring subject that I see 776 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,160 in my feet. I don't know why is self defence 777 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,160 and what people do in situations where they're getting like 778 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,240 mugged in the street. Probably because this is a dummy 779 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:56,800 and diamond of the state of the world today, but it's advice and 780 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,560 people's observations about what to do if you're approached at 781 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,040 night in public and that kind of thing. 782 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:10,280 The key one I see is people who want to commit violent crimes of 783 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,440 any nature and including sexual crimes or whatever, they 784 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,080 rehearse it and rehearse it in their heads over again and they 785 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,520 fix it on it and they have a way that they think it's going to 786 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,320 work and they have and it's a bit like they have to do like 787 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,240 the whole you ever like relived an argument in the shower. 788 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,680 It's like that, but fucking evil. 789 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,240 They like go through like every single bit of the scenario they 790 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,680 can imagine and, and, and have this power fantasy of how 791 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,800 they're gonna fucking handle it as, you know, these thugs and, 792 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,360 and sometimes deeply evil people do. 793 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,040 And the big bit of advice that I've seen online is, yeah, fuck 794 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,720 with that. Do do something that they 795 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,800 wouldn't expect. And they're just short circuits 796 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,920 their brain because they expect you to fight or they expect you 797 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,280 to assault, healing abuse. They expect you to yell help. 798 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,040 They probably expect you to yell fire. 799 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,240 What they don't expect you to do is to like, fucking start 800 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:58,480 singing the national anthem, you know, like, or pretend to be 801 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,480 like loudly drunk in the street or, you know, like, there's, 802 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,600 there's. I'm not suggesting like I'm not 803 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,480 going to advocate for anyone particular course of action 804 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,040 because I've not been trained in that and I think it'd be 805 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,920 irresponsible to say that. But but what I what I read from 806 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,200 this is Tom Cruise is a is a white man in a suit yelling Yo, 807 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,280 homie, that my briefcase. It's like a what the fuck? 808 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,520 Straight away makes it a weird situation. 809 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,040 It's like, I mean it like it make it it's it's a weird line 810 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,800 to deliver in general. It's a weird line for Tom Cruise 811 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,040 to deliver in specific. And it's just great because 812 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,720 yeah, like you say, like the way the other characters react to 813 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,200 it's like, what the fuck is going on here? 814 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,480 And there's just enough kind of confusion and weirdness set 815 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,240 aside because it's not like, oh, no, give them a briefcase 816 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,960 packet. Take your homies that mine. 817 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,440 It's like draws the one with the briefcase in the move in for 818 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,800 confrontation. He's kind of he's already 819 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600 showing us like lack of willingness to kill Tom Cruise. 820 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,600 We haven't a gun on him and not fucking shooting them. 821 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,800 Yeah. This this is great and. 822 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,200 Think of weakness that is exploited by Cruz. 823 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,840 There's this great bit in season 2 of the Punisher, the Netflix 824 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,480 one when when this when like the front castle's like instructing 825 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,200 this last that he's with on. If you disarm someone, shoot 826 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,640 them straight away and like, and this is great scene when she 827 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,600 like struggles have gone off a guy and he's got about half a 828 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,760 second said no and that she just domes him And it's like that's 829 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,240 cinema. But I said, yeah, he he, he's 830 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,240 he's not shot Tom Cruise yet and Tom Cruise has him like he's got 831 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,120 him on the ropes and doesn't even realise yet. 832 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,120 Then there's just that great offhand punch pistol drawer, 833 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,800 Bang Bang pivot, Bang Bang bang, turn around, failed dead check 834 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,680 on the first guy. I love that you've called that a 835 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,920 dead check and I'm like, but I was told how to do a dead check. 836 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,360 It was like you put a thumb in someone's eye. 837 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,040 You're not or you're like, you lean on their chest and you put 838 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,480 a thumb in the right. You don't shoot them again. 839 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,160 I mean, both of these do it. Sure, right? 840 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,840 They're like someone's. Confirmation. 841 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,480 I was going to say, you're a professional officer in His 842 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,600 Majesty's Royal Navy. You want a scumbag mode assassin 843 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,440 on the streets of LA Man? Yeah. 844 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,080 Dead check does, dude. Different, different sport. 845 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,840 Yeah, man. The bit we didn't talk about was 846 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,560 they get pulled over by the cops pretty early. 847 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,560 Yeah. And I think they did this. 848 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,040 There's a functional bit of the script to say, look, this what 849 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,400 would happen if we get pulled over the cops? 850 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,320 And clearly it, it doesn't go well, it starts to go awry 851 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,160 pretty quickly. But some major incidents, some 852 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,600 on off screen, we never hear anything else about it. 853 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:34,400 Some major incidents occurred somewhere else in town and a 854 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,520 whole bunch of exactly. And everyone's been pulled away 855 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,840 to it. And it's the kind of thing that 856 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,280 happens. You have a Bosch reference 857 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,480 because we're doing LA. It's very much a case of like if 858 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,920 there's an officer involved in a shooting. 859 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,280 Yeah, everyone drops and runs to it from all around and busy 860 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,960 floods the place with cop cars. So it's implied that something 861 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,960 like that has happened and that is why we don't get any more 862 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,160 interactions with the police until after the the car crashed 863 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,760 pretty late in the movie. But yeah, it was worth 864 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,440 highlighting as to like it kind of deals with it. 865 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,360 You have to extend your suspension of disbelief that we 866 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,760 can have this thing where he goes around all all night with 867 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,760 this fucked up car because, you know, people get stopped for 868 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,760 having a taillight out and he's got his windscreen as fucked and 869 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,480 like the door taxi bit on the top as fucks and yeah, yeah, 870 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,440 this. But the next hit is Vincent. 871 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,600 My God, man, as says to Max, Hey, you know what? 872 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,840 We've been for all this. Let's just go for a drink. 873 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,400 And Max is like, yeah, sounds good. 874 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,320 So they go to this jazz club. It's such a good sequence, Oh my 875 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,440 God. Holy crap. 876 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,400 This is so good. So you see this brilliant jazz 877 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,080 sequence and the guy playing the trumpet? 878 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,160 Yeah, it's a prison officer in rush hour. 879 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,400 It's just just worth flinging out. 880 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,800 Yeah. So anyway, they they watch this 881 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,120 performance at Vincent's, talks to waitress, says who's who's 882 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,040 the guy playing? Oh, that's the owner effect. 883 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,640 And someone come to our table afterwards. 884 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:53,840 You'd like to have a drink with him and stuff. 885 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,120 So then you get this really nice sequence without having this 886 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,400 great conversation about freaking like Miles Davis. 887 00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,960 And this time, he played with Miles. 888 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,480 Miles Davis impressions are so good. 889 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,520 Yeah, it's so good. Just like, just just to me. 890 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,960 Tell us a story about that one. Like hip guy and his girlfriend 891 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,480 tried to talk to Mel's Davis and Mel's is like get the fuck out 892 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,520 of here, drive motherfucker and take your silly bitch with you 893 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,840 just to live on so perfectly. Yeah, that's awesome. 894 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,840 Great scene. You know, very different vibe. 895 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,280 And this is sacrilege, but I'm going to say it anyway. 896 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,520 Like if you were to compare the diner scene in Heat, Pacino and 897 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,360 De Niro, 2 Titans of cinema sharing this one scene, this 898 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,680 iconic movie like this isn't that far off actually in terms 899 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,840 of tension. Like what's going on. 900 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,520 It's incredible that everyone at the table plays it really, 901 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,200 really well. The second that Vincent drops, 902 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,600 he references like the location of like where his employees are 903 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,080 from. Cartagena, yeah. 904 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,320 That's it, yeah. So he says like regards from 905 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,680 Cartagena, something like that. And that's when the penny drops 906 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,880 to the Jazz man who's actually like an ex-con. 907 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,120 That's that's also kind of implied for the story that he 908 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,920 was going to be a good dazz player and he got some trouble. 909 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,640 He. Got drafted and then afterwards 910 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,520 shit happened, yeah. But yeah, exactly. 911 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,840 Going to a life of crime, went to prison for like 20 years or 912 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,440 whatever. But still managed to end up 913 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,440 managed to end up owning A nightclub, which was pretty 914 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:12,720 cool. But I guess that was probably 915 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:13,960 his cartel connections, you know? 916 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,000 That's exactly it, yeah. So once the penny drops, we get 917 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,560 this really brutal sequence where he's like, right, Max is 918 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,480 really keen to like give a chance, man. 919 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,360 Like we're having a good night. Like what's going on? 920 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,680 Like what, you know, is there anything you can do, like to get 921 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:34,240 away with it, you know? And then Vincent flexes on him, 922 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,920 this jazz thing, like, all right, let's do a let's I'll 923 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,480 say, well, I'll ask you a jazz question. 924 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,800 If you answer my jazz question, I'll let you live ask you a jazz 925 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,480 question about Miles Davis. He's like, I know everything 926 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,640 there is to know about Miles Davis. 927 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,320 And he asks him, where did Miles Davis learn music? 928 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,680 Yeah. And he replies the Juilliard 929 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,160 School of Music in New York. And then Vincent just fucking 930 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,440 shoots him twice in the forehead. 931 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,040 Yeah, despite it being factually accurate. 932 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,360 Yeah, and and that he kind of like actually someone he said, 933 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,160 well, actually, actually, actually you met you met Charlie 934 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,240 Parker and got actually got mentored by him. 935 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,440 Fuck. You, Vincent. 936 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,640 Vincent's a fucking edge Lord like this is this is I saw you 937 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,360 who you are right? This is the connection this 938 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,640 movie has. Vincent is the edge Lord of this 939 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,840 movie is who Tom Cruise in Magnolia thinks he is. 940 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,600 Yeah, it's that fucking scumbag picker biassed. 941 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,160 Yeah, it's a very good point. He thinks he's as like hard, as 942 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,120 cool and as like emotionless and has bits, you know, And then 943 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,520 Vincent is the actual has stuff missing. 944 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,240 Yeah. Like has fundamental parts of 945 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:45,840 his human faculty just not there. 946 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,200 He's just not there. He's a void that actually gets 947 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,240 said in the movie, I think, pretty much. 948 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,520 But yeah. But if he comes out with this 949 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,600 thing and then, like, Max calls on it straight away, he's like, 950 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:56,800 he's right. You got the right answer. 951 00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,080 Yeah, you killed him anyway. And he's like, you didn't really 952 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,760 have a chance. Like he never, he was never 953 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,520 going to not do it. Yeah. 954 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,360 So he's just, he's like a cat playing with his, his food 955 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,120 really. Yeah. 956 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,280 Also evil. Deeply evil. 957 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:16,280 We've we've also missed the point when Max's boss is on the 958 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,600 radio to him giving him shit about damaging the car and 959 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,840 Vincent just fucking thins them out pretending to be an attorney 960 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,840 or something. And he just gets it, just gets 961 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,800 on comms and destroys him. And then it's like terrible, 962 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,240 terrible. Shove this Yellow Cab of this 963 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:34,120 fat ass. I'll just shove this Yellow Cab 964 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,520 up your fat ass. And it's like, I don't know, 965 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,800 it's like the like live, live wife reaction from Emma's like, 966 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,800 yeah, yeah, this guy fucking rules. 967 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,280 Actually it's like, yeah, he does been awful long. 968 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,320 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it kind of it's 969 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:54,440 it's just, it is. There was no real need for that 970 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,840 to be in the film, really. You didn't need to say like a 971 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,840 scene when he actually acts like a fucking decent dude and 972 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,440 actually give us a guy shit for messing with the working man. 973 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,560 However, it's all part of his like, you know, manipulation at 974 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,320 somebody's done a lot. Probably. 975 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,080 I mean the talk about how there was a previous incident with a 976 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,720 taxi driver who drove around Laa. 977 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,600 Few people got killed, then he found then he was found dead in 978 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,520 his car. So you know, a similar thing 979 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,400 probably happened the last time he gets he gets in a car. 980 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,520 He gives me like 600 bucks or whatever. 981 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,680 And then once again, he's probably haven't like fend off 982 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,000 the guys dispatch challenges, give him shit down the radio and 983 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,640 say no, you know, listen, listen to me. 984 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,480 Don't mess with my guy. Don't don't don't tell my guy to 985 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,480 finish the shift and give his car to the next guy because you 986 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,400 know, me and him have got, I don't know, bonding and shit to 987 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:48,360 do I guess. Yeah, he's very much like in 988 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,000 survival mood, like the whole movie. 989 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,800 Yeah. All he's doing is he's doing a 990 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,840 job. Yeah. 991 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,440 Yeah. And he's, he's thinking his feet 992 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,520 the entire time. This plan goes off the rails 993 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,640 immediately. So everything he does from the 994 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,360 second that fucking body hits the roof of the taxi at the 995 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:06,880 beginning, yeah, is just him improvising Jazz I Ching. 996 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,200 Yeah, Darwin. Darwin fucking. 997 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,720 Jazz I. Ching to yeah to, to, to do what 998 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:17,760 he needs to do to like, get to the next step of the fucking 999 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,320 dance, you know? Yeah, yeah. 1000 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,120 Even even we do things that are outwardly like potentially quite 1001 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,800 decent, right? Like turn that guy off. 1002 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,000 Really, all he's doing is getting getting that guy off the 1003 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,440 radio, shutting him up. Yeah, basically because he's 1004 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,360 getting in his way. Yeah, I'd say it was just a 1005 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,480 shame because you know what we do see is that Max's Vincent is 1006 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,920 incredibly capable. It's implied. 1007 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,360 It's not confirmed but it seems like he's ex military. 1008 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,440 Yeah. And for some reason, six years 1009 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,680 ago went to private well, hitman Hitman. 1010 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,280 It is is not a scene when they're talking about when when 1011 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,360 the scene that he was like a former criminal attorney turned 1012 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,280 turned attorney criminal. No, that's the that's the second 1013 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,760 guy, the second victim. All right, sorry I fucked that 1014 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,680 up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1015 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,000 I know. That's that's funny talks about 1016 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,120 that when he IDs the body and he and he calls his boss and and is 1017 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,760 talking about it, I think. All right. 1018 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,840 Yes, Gotcha, gotcha. But no good, Paul. 1019 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,400 Similar though, they they, I think he I think when he's 1020 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,760 talking to Max, I think he gives away that he's been doing it for 1021 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,240 six years. Yeah, yeah, that's right. 1022 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,760 And and he's obviously like you don't, you don't, you know, you 1023 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,520 don't pick that up later in life. 1024 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,920 Yeah, to you, Like, like, you're right. 1025 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,000 Like he's clearly been been doing some nasty stuff 1026 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,600 somewhere. Was he in the death squads? 1027 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,400 Well, that sport's going to. I was going to wait. 1028 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,120 I was going to wait till we got to like the categories, but I 1029 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,920 was going to say like, is this movie pro anti CIA? 1030 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,560 Because this guy is probably fucking XCI. 1031 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,160 Yeah. There's assassins, yeah. 1032 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,720 I mean, it's high possibility, definitely. 1033 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,600 I mean it's. Definitely something. 1034 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,640 I mean it's like trade crafts are pretty good at times. 1035 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,240 He seems competent, skilled. In places, but any any issues, 1036 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,320 he's really scooped up the building that Annie works at. 1037 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,080 I mean, Yagi's been inside, like a secure building at, like, 1038 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,000 literally the start of the film. Yeah. 1039 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,520 And it's like, I wonder he was really supervising the whole 1040 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,360 hit. Is it the guys from Cartagena or 1041 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,840 is it something someone much higher up because he's managed 1042 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,880 to sworn into in there Like like. 1043 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,760 Yeah, you do get the impression that maybe someone of the 1044 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,840 federal government is on a very high levels, potentially signed 1045 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,760 off the killing of all these witnesses because don't upset 1046 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,440 the apple carts too much. Yeah, the math thing is you 1047 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,360 wouldn't this like just end up in a mistrial anyway if like a 1048 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,800 bunch of the witnesses got killed? 1049 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,240 I mean like, I mean like they would probably just bring it to 1050 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:41,480 trial again, wouldn't they just. Yeah, yeah. 1051 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,720 For the. For the film and stuff, yeah, 1052 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,640 forget it. Well, this is it. 1053 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,360 This is well, this is the beautiful thing about the films 1054 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,440 that we don't. So man, similar to Bosch, Bosch 1055 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,960 has some similar stuff that happens, Bosch mentioned, but 1056 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,200 something happens in Bosch and you see, but in that because 1057 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,920 it's, you know, it's they're like 10 episodes long seasons. 1058 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,960 You know, you, you talk to the District Attorney, you talk to 1059 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,920 the Chief Police, you talk to the federal agents and they go 1060 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,240 through the whole like, right, OK, can you talk to the judge? 1061 00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:08,800 And what was the judge going to decide? 1062 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,480 Is the judge going to take that person's affidavit as evidence 1063 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,920 and, and use it in the trial, even if they're not alive to 1064 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,640 testify to the because, because they because they've clearly 1065 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,840 been assassinated or, or they're not going to do that. 1066 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,360 And then who's paying off the judge and blah, blah, blah, 1067 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,120 blah, blah. You know, but we don't see that 1068 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,360 in this movie because it's all about the cab. 1069 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,240 Well, that's the thing again, it's like, it's just kind of 1070 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:30,000 like, it's just kind of like writing that Sparse 1 needs to 1071 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,320 be an expensive one. It needs to be as well. 1072 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,760 I like it's a hints at obviously the criminal conspiracy going 1073 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,560 on, hints the the the broader worlds and it does it to the 1074 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,320 economy of the story just as much as you need. 1075 00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,440 And and not an ounce more, not an ounce more. 1076 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,720 Like you get a shot of some helicopters flying to know 1077 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,120 there's more people around. That's it. 1078 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:50,800 Yeah. That's it. 1079 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,760 Yeah, the next thing we get is the dispatchers grumpily calling 1080 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,560 in Max again because his mum's been on the phone. 1081 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,440 So. And this is when Max reveals to 1082 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,520 to Vincent that he's got a mum who's in hospital. 1083 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,040 And then Vincent says, well, you've got a nightly routine 1084 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:05,880 that you've got to keep up with, We've got to go and do it. 1085 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,800 So we get this fucking bonker scene where they go to the 1086 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,520 hospital and Vincent's like. Flowers for her at her first, 1087 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,640 like she fins her son out for buying flowers and he's like, 1088 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,600 actually my cool handsome friends bought them. 1089 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,520 Oh my God, they're beautiful. I love you, Tom Cruise. 1090 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,040 Fuck me, man. And you see, like, you see, 1091 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,360 Max's like, exasperated reaction, like who hasn't been 1092 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,600 shown up like that in front of their friends? 1093 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,720 Yeah. Incredible mugged mugged by Tom 1094 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:37,560 Cruise ruined my my taxi Sal chud life Yeah I. 1095 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,040 Love this sequence one because it gives us like really 1096 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,000 important character information about Vincent that we see, you 1097 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,120 know, we get some insight into Vincent's lack of a home life. 1098 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,720 I guess because there's there's it's he's kind of like talking 1099 00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:53,920 to the mum really kindly. And you kind of get the 1100 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,200 impression like he hasn't had a conversation like like this with 1101 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,600 another person for like a long time probably. 1102 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,720 So this is like novel and strange to him, I think. 1103 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,800 So you get that a bit. The other thing we like about 1104 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,440 this sequence is that there's some cool details in the 1105 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,800 production design. So behind the mum is a 1106 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,200 collection of head shots. And I was like, what the what is 1107 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,320 that about? But it's because I think, I 1108 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,400 think she says it eventually, as she says, like my, my Max, he 1109 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,960 had nothing. He came from nothing. 1110 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:23,080 Then he worked his way up and he's got his own company. 1111 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,440 He drives all all the stars around in Hollywood. 1112 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,720 Yeah. So I like that there's all these 1113 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:31,040 cool head shots and I've got a I've got a highlight one in 1114 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,680 particular because I did a double take when I watched it 1115 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,680 last week and I was like, what the fuck? 1116 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,160 And I stopped it and found it on YouTube and took a screencap and 1117 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,040 everything. And one of the one of the head 1118 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,680 shots is Mischa Barton, who was only just getting famous in 2004 1119 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,760 for being in the OC Absolutely nuts. 1120 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,640 Hang on pure Mischa Barton face. I was like, what the? 1121 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,520 Fuck. Incredible. 1122 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,720 The market is as well because it's Michael Mann. 1123 00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,080 You know, there's probably loads of thought and it just who's 1124 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,080 who's headshots he was going to use for that, Yeah. 1125 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,320 Crazy. So in Michael Mann's head, he's 1126 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,800 had the conversation in his own head between Max and I'm saying, 1127 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,800 you know, that's that show you like The OC. 1128 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,360 Well, I drove that Marissa girl around in my limo and then the 1129 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,720 mum's like, was Ryan there? Was Seth there? 1130 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,240 Jesus bloody hell, there's that. It's not learning dialogue as 1131 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:24,120 well. When she says all. 1132 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,480 Max is always talking to himself in the mirror. 1133 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,920 Yeah. And I like that for kind of 1134 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,600 reasons that I'll go into later when I go in. 1135 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,640 Like it's kind of like badass revealing stuff. 1136 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,160 Well, yeah, I like that. It's it's also a hint that maybe 1137 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,240 Max and Vincent are not so different had their lives gone 1138 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:44,400 in slightly different directions. 1139 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,800 They are not. You're not so different to an 1140 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,880 eye. In another life I could be 1141 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,880 driving the taxi. You could have the gun in the 1142 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,080 back of my head. The hospital sequence ends with 1143 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,760 this movie's Russian of Tom Cruise running the Max sees 1144 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,800 opportunity, is pissed off with the rapport that has immediately 1145 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,280 developed between Vincent and his mom. 1146 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,440 Yeah, and in his frustration, steals Vincent's briefcase. 1147 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,920 That's such a stupid move as well and say come on man and 1148 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,200 say. You're a homie. 1149 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,560 So he's picked up the people in the street field starts running 1150 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,440 out the hospital, but there Vincent's chasing after him. 1151 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,400 You get the whole thing running down the stairs, running, 1152 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,720 running few corridors. Nobody runs like Tom Cruise. 1153 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,640 He's absolutely nails it. And then Max gets onto an 1154 00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:28,400 overpass over the freeway. Yeah. 1155 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,320 Vincent holds him at gunpoint, but it's hard enough. 1156 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,680 Max Max hills onto the road where a perfectly timed 18 1157 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,480 Wheeler smashes into it makes sense over like. 1158 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,360 Like like it bounces off it, doesn't it? 1159 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,480 And then like another vehicle hits it and it's like to shreds 1160 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,080 everything destroyed. Yeah, yeah, if it been like a 1161 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,640 Looney Tunes cartoon, like the road will come and stamped on it 1162 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,600 five times as well, just to like finish it off. 1163 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,480 And you see like bits of laptop and like bits of papers and the 1164 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,000 extras and pictures all get all get all get destroyed. 1165 00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,720 I mean, again, it's like if, if, if this film was made today, you 1166 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,640 wouldn't have that kind of issue because it'll be all on a 1167 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,560 smartphone, wouldn't have got like a burner phone that he 1168 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,440 picks up out of someone's. Encrypted cloud or something? 1169 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,600 Yeah. Yeah. 1170 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,040 You see, This is why the technology really matters in the 1171 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,880 storytelling of these kind of films, these kind of eras. 1172 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,200 And there's a certain things just really couldn't do to the 1173 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,160 same effect to the same level and have the same kind of like 1174 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,120 like kind of story beats around it, you know? 1175 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,960 This occupies a very specific moment in in, in time where 1176 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,240 technology that you you have mobile phones, which people 1177 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,760 often talk online, like how many movies would be solved? 1178 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,920 I mean misunderstandings in films would be solved without 1179 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,520 people have mobile phones. You know, like any Shakespeare 1180 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,400 play would probably be immediate resolved if people had 1181 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,920 smartphones. Rumour and Juliet could go on 1182 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,200 Snapchat. Like most of that would be 1183 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,440 squared away. And if they went on TikTok, 1184 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,840 they'd go viral, baby. Imagine they can imagine that 1185 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,280 like they would like they'd have like influence a couple of like 1186 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,800 Rd you or something like that. And they'd just be huge. 1187 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,600 They wouldn't need to spoiler it for Shakespeare kill themselves 1188 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,680 because they'd just be gigantic on TikTok. 1189 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,240 They'd be getting like like sponsorships and everything. 1190 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,600 Freeze board. Tibble going like shipping my 1191 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,400 boy Romeo and his girls. You. 1192 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:13,960 Yeah. Rude. 1193 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,040 You forever shipping. My boy, good grief. 1194 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,880 Yeah. You get like toxic fandoms like 1195 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,040 you're like, Oh my God, Romeo deserves better. 1196 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,280 So, so the point I was going to say was the mobile phone alone 1197 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,440 is not enough to fix it. The mobile phone as we knew it 1198 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,880 today, maybe like a smartphone, but just having like those 1199 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,880 mobile phones that they have in the movie. 1200 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,240 Good effort finding him with a rundown battery in those days, 1201 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,520 by the way. We'll get to that later. 1202 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,640 Hell fuck you was was was this personally robbed? 1203 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,040 Like low key homeless Just hiding that fact. 1204 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,360 I haven't. Charged it in like 3. 1205 00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,280 Weeks for like a month or something. 1206 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,480 I love as well how like he has like goes upwards like the roof 1207 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,000 of building to try and get signal. 1208 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,440 It's like these things, just these these these things just do 1209 00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,480 not apply in boards. So I'll. 1210 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,200 Be interested to see how this plays out. 1211 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,120 This executive composition plays out when we do blackout 1212 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,800 eventually. Many, many January's from now, 1213 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:06,760 probably. Yes. 1214 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,080 So that is to say that unfortunately, destroying the 1215 00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,160 briefcase is not enough to deter Vincent from completing his 1216 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,160 task. He's a God stand professional if 1217 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,480 nothing else. What he does mean though is he 1218 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,640 has to send Max to go and meet the the client. 1219 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,800 Yeah. Felix Reyes Torena, played by 1220 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,800 Javier Bardem. And we obtain the information on 1221 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,280 of the final two targets. He needs another copy of the 1222 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,920 files, but it means we have this awesome sequence where Max has 1223 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,240 to front up to to Felix's club and he's already a massive 1224 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,880 disadvantage. So we talked about code 1225 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,640 switching a lot in this movie because there's quite a lot of 1226 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,680 it. Another topic I I, I think is 1227 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,880 that clues make of the man to to a certain extent. 1228 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,240 And we see that in the costuming. 1229 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,760 Vincent's got a very sharp suit on. 1230 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,480 Yeah, which gradually, like all good movies, gets a little bit 1231 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,560 more dishevelled as like goes on as things happen. 1232 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,240 So he starts with a certain tie all done up, grey suit very well 1233 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:03,680 for tailors, all that kind of good stuff. 1234 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,400 As the movie goes on, things go awry, he lose he loses the tie 1235 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,240 pretty much immediately. Max by comparison, has been 1236 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,320 cutting around in like some slacks and and like an old 1237 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,200 hoodie and he's not wearing a put and underneath that either. 1238 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,200 It's just AT shirt, I think. So he he's got a pill battle. 1239 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,800 Going up to this exclusive club run by a cartel boss, getting 1240 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,960 past security and sitting at the guy's table. 1241 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,200 The fucking meanest security guys know the man as well. 1242 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,280 It's like there's a lot of them and all of them look at psychos, 1243 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,240 you know? It's like, yeah. 1244 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,920 He rocks up to the door. He's like, I'm looking, I'm 1245 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,280 looking to speak to Felix and they're like, there's no Felix 1246 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,560 here, fuck off. Yeah, yeah. 1247 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,120 It's like, sorry mate, sorry mate, it's not your night. 1248 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,640 Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you can't come in with those 1249 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,520 those shoes on. Them she was a casual miss. 1250 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,960 When was last time you even got told by bounce that's not your 1251 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,280 nightmare? Yeah, I can't even remember. 1252 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:06,080 For me it was maybe about 2008 or 9 when I tried again 1253 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:11,040 somewhere in the big market and the bouncer took one look at 1254 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,280 Mimi Mara and he's like it's not your night boys. 1255 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,840 Thanks for saving as a beaten miss. 1256 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,280 I don't think this happens anymore. 1257 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,800 It does feel like that is just fundamentally different. 1258 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,480 I think night out, nights out have fundamentally changed since 1259 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,320 we've got to our advanced stage like this is going to. 1260 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,760 If we had any young listeners, it would alienate them. 1261 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,800 Luckily, luckily we don't. Right, So guys, fellow fellow 1262 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,120 old people, do you fellow fellow elder millennials and Gen XS, do 1263 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,120 you remember when? People by people, sons and 1264 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,120 daughters of Gaviscon. Yeah. 1265 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:49,120 You're saying, you're saying? Like, you know, if you went out 1266 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,880 on a night out, even if you were going out as a group, you 1267 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,440 wouldn't necessarily stay as a group. 1268 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,800 You didn't have smartphones, so synchronising your movements was 1269 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,800 like non impossible. Yeah, Yeah. 1270 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,080 So you would just go off on side quests, wouldn't you? 1271 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,520 You would, yeah. And then eventually you would 1272 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,800 find your way back to like either like the one big club 1273 01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,240 that everyone knew, like that was going to be like the place 1274 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,320 where we're going to end up. Wind up on that night, often by 1275 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,840 accident. And you just like, see each 1276 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:13,840 other. You have those moments where you 1277 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,360 see each other from the dance floor, sort of spaced, sort of 1278 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,480 spaced. Oh my God, they just wind up in 1279 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,440 the same club at the end. Like like that. 1280 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,920 That shit used to really happen. That doesn't happen anymore. 1281 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,600 That's like I, I was speaking to. 1282 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,320 So when I was working at one of the breweries I was at, we had a 1283 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,680 guy from Ekeg who came to like and deliver and pick up like 1284 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,800 rental kegs. And you would say that he used 1285 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,600 to be a bouncer, but he had a big, uh, retiring and his whole 1286 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,080 thing was like, umm, a lot like, it's gone beyond like doorman. 1287 01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,960 They don't want like kind of hard guys the door. 1288 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,400 They want people who were polished mid-day kind of front 1289 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,680 of house guys all coming and stuff. 1290 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,000 But he was saying he realised he, he, he had to get out of the 1291 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,600 game when he was, he worked in Yorkshire and he's outside some 1292 01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,680 bar and it's a courtyard area. And he's, the way he tells the 1293 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,640 story. He's like, he's on the back of a 1294 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,960 guy and he's like kind of pushing his face up in the 1295 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,560 concrete with his hand. And he's been on the comms to 1296 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,320 like the police. He's been comms, the police, the 1297 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,520 police turn up. And if you said right, OK, can 1298 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:11,960 you get off from here? And he's like, I can't. 1299 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,120 And the cops, why? He's like, my back's gone out 1300 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,720 and this guy threw his back out while while looking, pinning 1301 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,480 your guy to the deck. This guy was an absolute 1302 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:21,760 character. Yeah, I guess. 1303 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,760 I guess the territory that the nightlife territory is very 1304 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,640 different at least. Yeah, so I'm on Max man, just to 1305 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,720 get into the club by name dropping that he's Vincent, 1306 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,880 Yeah, which somehow much to settle off, which is weird, 1307 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,840 isn't it? Like that the the security on 1308 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,800 the door of the club are aware of the name of the hitman that 1309 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,280 Felix is hired to this. That's weirds me that that they 1310 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,120 would. Know like, like it's like, I 1311 01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,440 mean, I guess it's like God, like really a suspension of 1312 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,760 disbelief thing because if I was like, Felix run this shit and 1313 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,400 said right, OK, there's there's, there's like a pass phrase, 1314 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,520 there's a code phrase that whoever needs to see me as a 1315 01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,960 priority can see. It's like, you know, I'm tired 1316 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,280 of this orgasm kind of thing. So somebody. 1317 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,440 Yeah, yeah, same, same. But like This is why I get all 1318 01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,040 the all of the cartel nightclubs. 1319 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,320 I go up a bunch of incredibly militarised bouncers in just say 1320 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:12,480 hi, man, I'm tired of this orgasm. 1321 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,000 But but I think it's ex suspension, this belief to get 1322 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,680 them in. But yeah, I wouldn't imagine 1323 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:22,400 this one cartel guy who I mean, and he's surprised that he's 1324 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,160 even physically in play in the city, right. 1325 01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,240 So it's it's hard to think you would just have a blanket thing 1326 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,120 for someone turns up and says the Vincent. 1327 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,120 Oh, let him in just in case it turns out with some random guy 1328 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,760 who's I said, oh, it's me, it's Vincent. 1329 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,880 You know, Can you imagine? Yeah, it's mental. 1330 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,320 Absolutely crazy. I also should point out that at 1331 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,680 this point, the LAPD hooked up with the. 1332 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,520 The feds, yeah. The feds as well, and it's worth 1333 01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:53,040 pointing out because the FBI agent in charge is Bruce McGill. 1334 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,640 Have you seen The Insider, also by Michael Mann? 1335 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,920 I have not. It's a fantastic film about the 1336 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,480 court cases to fight Big tobacco. 1337 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,440 Yeah. With Brussel Crowe. 1338 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:09,480 Bruce McGill plays a attorney from Mississippi and he has one 1339 01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,080 of the all time crash out scenes. 1340 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,520 And lifts, ups and downs and middles. 1341 01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:18,040 So what? You don't get to instruct 1342 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,840 anything around here. This is not North Carolina, not 1343 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,480 South Carolina, nor Kentucky. This is the sovereign state of 1344 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,240 Mississippi's proceeding. Wipe that smirk off your face, 1345 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,080 Doctor. Waggon Deposition will be part 1346 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,640 of this record. It's like, get that smoke off 1347 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,200 your face. Yeah, it's so good. 1348 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,080 Oh, you might have lefts and ups and downs and writes and middles 1349 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,920 and oh man, it's so good. Audio through this one so bad. 1350 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,200 Man, yeah, it's so good. He's incredible. 1351 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,800 So ever since then I've watched from McGill. 1352 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,360 Chris McGill also worked with Michael Mann very early in his 1353 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,680 career. He had a two-part episode of 1354 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,520 Miami Vice, which she's been executive produced by Michael 1355 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,840 Mann, and his is great. He's like a bent cop who, like, 1356 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,640 went off the rails after his partner died and like, got into 1357 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,840 like, the drug trade and stuff. Like what goes with Vice? 1358 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,800 And yeah, it's great. And there's like one of those 1359 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,840 epic sequences, you know, like every Miami Vice had an amazing 1360 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,320 music video that's like a great one of them. 1361 01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,320 But it's it's Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits and Oh my God, 1362 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,320 it's. Not I have to say that. 1363 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,160 Jeff's kiss, that's on YouTube. You can watch that on YouTube. 1364 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:28,160 Just just the amount of like amazing guest stars that they 1365 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,200 have in episodes of Miami Vice, it's just what a rock that what 1366 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,960 an absolute roster, man. Boggles the mind man. 1367 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,520 One of these days we'll do like a mummy vice part, but like 1368 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,000 Jesus man, so many like people that you people are still huge 1369 01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,520 now get like their really early breaks in Miami Vice. 1370 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,280 Feel like Lee Neeson Helmut Bonham Carter is like a is like 1371 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,880 is like 2 episodes in season 4 or five or something. 1372 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,200 Leonard Leonard Cohen makes a guest appearance. 1373 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,480 Let's. Go Frank Zappa, is that it? 1374 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,640 No way, man, No fucking way. Yeah, it's crazy, man. 1375 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,200 Anyway, we've straight straight once again. 1376 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,520 That's the Hyman, Mike. This is why we boast dozens of 1377 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,680 listeners. So Max is struggling to to make 1378 01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:15,120 an impression on Felix. He explains that he lost the 1379 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,400 list. Probably not the words I would 1380 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,720 have chosen. I would have said maybe I 1381 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,040 destroyed the list. Lost implies is out in the wind 1382 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,080 and everyone can find it. Felix explains that, you know, a 1383 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,040 very expensive surveillance operation had taken place to 1384 01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,280 compile that list. It applies that maybe there's a 1385 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,560 different federal agency maybe involved in that. 1386 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,240 Yeah, in order to prop up the cartels. 1387 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,200 I don't know. Sicario. 1388 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,080 Sicario. Sorry I got some. 1389 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,920 Yeah, so slightly implied that that's happening potentially. 1390 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:50,080 And then he obviously he's like, give me one more fucking kill 1391 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,240 you kind of thing. And then Max finds a moment 1392 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,640 where he does that, that like iconic code switch where he's 1393 01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,320 like, tell the guy behind me. Yeah, like put his fucking gun 1394 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,760 away before I turn around and like put a cap in his bitch ass, 1395 01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,080 something like that. I think it's like he does bitch 1396 01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,480 ass to death with it. This right, this is what I'm 1397 01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,120 pulling back. A lot of the things I've kind of 1398 01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,200 hinted at and using them here. He is at his best when there's 1399 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,680 something sketchy going on behind him because he's a taxi 1400 01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,880 driver and he's used to, we actually happened behind him. 1401 01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,880 He's used to controlling the conversation when he needs to. 1402 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,319 When he's chatting up, chatting up Annie, he's used to years, 1403 01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:34,279 1212 years as a Satan for probably haven't we had freaks 1404 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:35,760 and geeks and psychos in the back? 1405 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,279 And when he talk about how he practises talking in the mirror 1406 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,680 as well. He's good at exerting his 1407 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:46,160 authority because he practises it while looking forward, you 1408 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,680 know, when they look at someone else, but just like and it's and 1409 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,479 it's sick. I think, I don't know, maybe 1410 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,240 it's wrong, but I think it's all kind of feeds in when people 1411 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,800 say, how does he have this big bad ass turn around? 1412 01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,600 How does he become such a cool dude? 1413 01:08:58,600 --> 01:08:59,800 Well, he's also really cool dude. 1414 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,279 He can turn on and off and he needs to. 1415 01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:03,840 I mean, he's cool as fuck when he's chatting up. 1416 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:09,040 I mean, he's he's a taxi driver who manages to get like federal 1417 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,720 prosecutors digits. Come on, man. 1418 01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,479 Like like he's got charisma when he fucking needs to it he needs 1419 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,200 to he needs to have it. He's he's he's practising 1420 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,520 talking in the mirror, maybe intimidating people, Maybe he's 1421 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,120 practising his business pictures and stuff. 1422 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,720 And then it all clicks from and it isn't the fact that he 1423 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,479 magically evolves into somewhat tough. 1424 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,560 It's the fact that all these aspects of his personality, of 1425 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,520 what he does in his day-to-day life click in just his excellent 1426 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,840 moment. And the cherry on top, the final 1427 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:41,120 bit, the best bit, is that he's downloaded enough of Vincent's 1428 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,160 personality to just sharpen up with that last line. 1429 01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,800 Darwin itching all that quoting them. 1430 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,479 You know. And it's excellent and it's just 1431 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,120 two powerhouse performances because because you see the 1432 01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,080 brilliant bit about Humpty Dumpty and Black Peter. 1433 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,120 Do you believe in it is? Have you bought them, man? 1434 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,160 Seriously. Now, just a few years later, he 1435 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,960 was signed up for No Country for Old Man. 1436 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,920 And he's like, why have you? Why have you taken me on for 1437 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,720 this film? But I don't speak English really 1438 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,520 good. But it's like he has this 1439 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:20,360 peculiar way of speaking in English that just adds, I think 1440 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,920 like there's. An ever worldly sense about him, 1441 01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,080 isn't it? Yeah, he's like I've met an 1442 01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,600 ancient traveller on an abandoned Rd. 1443 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,440 Yeah, like it's like something at somebody rights on a worldly. 1444 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:34,920 It's like, it doesn't sound me like someone who speaks poor 1445 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,440 English. It sounds like someone from like 1446 01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:41,160 another place another time. But the film seems like shift 1447 01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,800 it's reality a little bit as you get this fake philosophical talk 1448 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,120 of folk tales and Humpty Dumpty and stuff. 1449 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:53,400 And if it was, if it was some some American dude, like yeah, 1450 01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:54,680 you're here. But hubby, dubby, you believe in 1451 01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,040 that shit you believe in and it's wouldn't work but. 1452 01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,280 It's softly spoken. It's tranquil, is what it is. 1453 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,720 Yeah. And because of that, it's like 1454 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,280 so much more intimidating. Yeah, I think. 1455 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,560 I think what all of this is to me is like the city is almost 1456 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,360 like a a different realm at night. 1457 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,160 It becomes a different place. It's a different. 1458 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,280 And this is like a quest for these on. 1459 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,760 Yeah, it stopped me from getting a bit mental, but like, you go 1460 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,560 remember that Michael Mann also directed the keep. 1461 01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,560 He fucking so so so we can go there. 1462 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,120 He can go right there, he can go psychedelic when he wants to, 1463 01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,040 man. Yeah. 1464 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,960 And I do think there is something a bit of like an 1465 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,360 episodic quest of this this thing, because it's five hits, 1466 01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,680 because there's the little journey between each one and 1467 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,640 there's all these little side quests that he goes on. 1468 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,600 It does feel like the the city itself is this like different 1469 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,200 realm where different rules apply. 1470 01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,480 Yeah. What evidence is this weird 1471 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,080 conversation about Humpty Dumpty and Black Peter? 1472 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,560 And like I said, do you believe in Humpty Dumpty like that? 1473 01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,760 That's in there? That's weird part of it. 1474 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,400 Another bit we're going to see, I think a turning point in the 1475 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,880 movie coming up right after this is is the scene where they stop 1476 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,840 and watch the coyotes crossing the road. 1477 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,640 Yeah, that's like. Like this is a different realm. 1478 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,960 This isn't, this isn't your daddy's LA. 1479 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,200 This is like somewhere else, something else, a moment in 1480 01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:11,720 time. This is this is when you've got 1481 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,720 to the point in the late night slash early morning when it gets 1482 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,360 weird. This is like weird hours of the 1483 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:18,520 city. This is like when. 1484 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,280 Witching hour. It's the witching hour. 1485 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,920 It's the point when the only people who were up rather up to 1486 01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,640 no good watching people who were up to no good, you know, and 1487 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,680 it's accidentally. Yeah, the coyote scene, there's 1488 01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,240 so much. It's poor Horizon, the coyote 1489 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,240 scene. From what I've seen on reviews, 1490 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,560 some people fucking hate it. There's some people really angry 1491 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,360 at it. It's like, no, it's cool man. 1492 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:47,720 Like, like it shows to me, it's like it shows that the city for 1493 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,680 all it's this big modern construction, it isn't too far 1494 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,240 away from the wilderness. It isn't too far away from the 1495 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,440 wild, from strangeness, from like, because I mean, a coyote 1496 01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,280 is violence personified, isn't it? 1497 01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,840 I mean, I like them. I think they're cute. 1498 01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,000 But also it's like you don't, you don't, you don't think of 1499 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,840 them as like a nurturing animal. Like they're, they are much 1500 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,600 like, much, much like Vincent. They're a hunter, you know? 1501 01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:09,760 There's a bit of mysticism around them as well. 1502 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,000 Definitely, yeah. And I think that's fair. 1503 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,720 It's important. It helps out there. 1504 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,880 Fucking massive. It's, it's if, if, if this had 1505 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,000 been like in London and it'd be like urban foxes. 1506 01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,240 Urban foxes. It wouldn't have hit the same. 1507 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,680 They just say that's like turned down the corner and there's like 1508 01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,360 2 urban foxes having sex and just screaming. 1509 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,680 Yeah, and instead of like. Noise to make. 1510 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,360 Sort of sort of like, we still got Audioslave here, so we've 1511 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,160 got Chris Cornell's incredible vocals. 1512 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,160 Yeah, as much as, like, as much as that maybe dates the film a 1513 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,120 little bit. Audioslave You can't say a bad 1514 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,440 word about Chris Cornell Gold Rush he saw in his in his 1515 01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:48,560 incredible voice. And if this had happened in 1516 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:49,720 Britain, what would you have had? 1517 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:51,400 Gavin Rossdale from Bush or something. 1518 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,560 Or would it be in the Libertines? 1519 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,520 That was in London, right 2004. It's clearly the libertines to 1520 01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,880 say don't look back into the sun and there's two urban foxes just 1521 01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,480 brutally made and make a horrible like assault kind of 1522 01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:06,360 noises because he know that the time has come. 1523 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,280 Distinctly worst film. Distinctly worst film. 1524 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:16,160 But yeah, just shadow one son. Yeah man, fuck Audioslave. 1525 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,440 It's a don't know if it's nostalgia, but I feel like maybe 1526 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,800 we didn't appreciate Audioslave as much as we should when they 1527 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,280 came out. Yeah, yeah. 1528 01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,480 Overall as a nation, I mean, my, yeah, my, my parents house, it 1529 01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:31,040 was on all the time. She had MTV 2 on all the time. 1530 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,800 Yeah. My, my mum got really into 1531 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:35,400 Audioslave actually. Oh yeah. 1532 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,040 So she didn't. She didn't like it Against the 1533 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:38,240 Machine, but she liked Audioslave. 1534 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,120 She didn't like the rapping, but she didn't mind when Chris 1535 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,920 Cornell came and did the soaring vocals. 1536 01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,480 Yeah, and they were soaring vocals. 1537 01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,640 Indeed, Chris Cornell. Also, here's my hot take for the 1538 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:52,040 podcast. I did what I think is one of the 1539 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,360 better Bond themes, actually. People don't give the people 1540 01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:57,760 don't give that as the credit deserves. 1541 01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,040 You know, you know my name. Yeah. 1542 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,520 Awesome song. I'm I'm going to get in fucking 1543 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,600 fights by saying that I think the trouble crow bond is is a 1544 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,560 low key incredibly good bond theme. 1545 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,360 That's one of dies. Yes, it is. 1546 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,240 Then again, I would fight in the streets for Sheryl Cross, so. 1547 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,080 I know you would. That's that's that's would I 1548 01:15:17,480 --> 01:15:20,800 songs in the Q of X. Yeah, songs in the Q of X Go at 1549 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:28,880 it, go at it. Right here we go #4 is a target 1550 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,440 called Peter Lim and he right now is in a nightclub, I think 1551 01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:37,000 called Fever. The FBI have been watching Max 1552 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,720 at the other club. They think that Max is Vincent. 1553 01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,760 They think that that that's so. They think Jamie Foxx is the 1554 01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,640 assassin. Yeah, because that Fannings had 1555 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,480 fannings had the the driver's licence emails to a cell phone. 1556 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,520 It's like technology, technology. 1557 01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,920 I love what I think like e-mail it to my cell phone. 1558 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,400 Like yes, get in. Yeah. 1559 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:05,080 And so, yeah, but they believe that, that, you know, real 1560 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,120 drivers floating in the river somewhere. 1561 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,680 And it's like, who believes in them, God damn it? 1562 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,200 Yeah, and there and all the FBI guys are saying like, Oh yeah, 1563 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,400 this happens all the time. You get these ex KGB guys and 1564 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:16,840 they're like super heavily trained operators. 1565 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,560 They'll kill the guy and then they'll take over and they can, 1566 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,480 they can blend in. They're like chameleons. 1567 01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,400 I'm like but it's not true in this particular case. 1568 01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,600 Like some like, like some fucking XKJP guy, like being a 1569 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,720 fucking Los Angeles taxi driver. Yes, stop, comrade. 1570 01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,600 You like those? You like those dodgers? 1571 01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:42,160 It's. Like, you know, you know what? 1572 01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:43,600 Like sprungs of mind there. Yeah. 1573 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,440 It was like Bob Hoskins was Mario in the Super Mario movie. 1574 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,600 Like, I have to believe that you really are Brooklyn plumber. 1575 01:16:52,360 --> 01:17:00,200 Like, what the fuck? Oh love, where's your stop cock? 1576 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,040 The fucking world's most cockney man. 1577 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:04,560 Oh, I've. Got to go to the Bastion 1578 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,360 Kingdom. Oh my. 1579 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,960 Like. Literally. 1580 01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:13,960 Literally the world's worst cockney man somehow playing the 1581 01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,880 world's most Italian plumber. All right, love. 1582 01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,800 This is my brother, John Lucas Ronardo. 1583 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,480 Don't ask too many questions, love. 1584 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,800 Crazy film. Anyway, so Fanning Riflo is our 1585 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,920 is our one good guy who believes that actually Fox is not the 1586 01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,040 guy. Everyone else is pretty keen to 1587 01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,640 shoot Jamie Foxx in the head, so we all converge. 1588 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,200 Yeah, because Felix is. Felix has sent his guys after 1589 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,360 them as well, hasn't he? So. 1590 01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,040 He has, yeah. So Felix guys kind of heading 1591 01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,440 behind the FBI tool and right up at Sarah. 1592 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,440 That's right. So we have this like montage 1593 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,800 where everyone convision in the club, everyone tooling up, 1594 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,720 everyone check out the weapons, got the one like cartel guy, 1595 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,160 like police fans in front of the laser. 1596 01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:54,120 Pointer. Yeah. 1597 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,160 And it's such a big fucking chunky laser pointer as well. 1598 01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,000 It's like, oh, that was, that was a tame, that was an 1599 01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,520 aesthetic. Yeah. 1600 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,800 And then we have this brilliant sequence in in the Club, Club 1601 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,760 Fever. This this sequence I think took 1602 01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,320 about 3 weeks to film and they were long days. 1603 01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,880 They were like 12 hour days. Some of the sort of behind the 1604 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,200 scenes notes I've seen Tom Cruise probably instrumental 1605 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,000 keep people's spirits up. It was always very high energy. 1606 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,640 So like same, same old, same old from Tom Cruise, a concert 1607 01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:31,240 professional. So the original DP left the 1608 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,480 project through creative differences with Michael Mann 1609 01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:37,640 during this, because obviously very exacting about how you 1610 01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,480 wanted the sequence to go. If you look at the credit to the 1611 01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:44,400 movie, there's choreographers, there's about 90 stunt people. 1612 01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,440 So you've got a club full of people who've got to be dancing. 1613 01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:49,720 One thing I noticed quite early on in the sequence is you've got 1614 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,120 like a handful of hands up together with trays of drinks on 1615 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:53,680 them as well. Yeah, yeah. 1616 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,040 Which obviously gives a bit of texture and sense of perspective 1617 01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,320 of the room as it goes down. But like, that kind of stuff 1618 01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,000 doesn't have my accident. That's that's important. 1619 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,440 Otherwise there'd just be a bunch of people in the room 1620 01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:03,760 milling around. Well, yeah, and. 1621 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,240 Then we have this this incredible sequence where very 1622 01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,880 crowded. And yet the geography it's this 1623 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,120 is this is like fucking, I say this all the time. 1624 01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,400 Check please. But like the geography of the of 1625 01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,440 the of the fight, like still makes like pretty good sense. 1626 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:24,680 I think if you're if you're paying attention to it, kind of 1627 01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:28,160 kind of kind of a bit mad that like Max isn't there at all. 1628 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,240 But but yeah, I mean, what did you think of it? 1629 01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,160 It's such a good scene. That's such a good sequence. 1630 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,680 I've said the geography makes sense. 1631 01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,880 You got like a situation idea of where everyone is. 1632 01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,920 It's never confusing, you know, like what your lens approach 1633 01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,160 people use and stuff like that. The the camera work pulls you 1634 01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:45,960 in. It puts you really in the moment 1635 01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,640 when you see Tom Cruise obviously starting to throw 1636 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:54,480 punches and kick people in, in the scene when he just downs 1637 01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:56,200 that guy. And then like it's inferred, he 1638 01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,720 stamps on his head or his neck and there's that look on his 1639 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,960 that's like. I'm not sure if it's Vincent's 1640 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:07,400 joy at killing someone or if it's Tom Cruise's joy at being 1641 01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:12,480 the bad guy, but there is something in that look on his 1642 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,960 face like he's he's, he's feeling good, man. 1643 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,280 He's it's excellent. There's when when the shooting 1644 01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,800 starts, it's brutal. It's gnarly. 1645 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:28,000 And you see, I've seen people give this scene a lot of shit. 1646 01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:33,200 I've seen this scene get a lot, a lot of abuse and reviews on 1647 01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,920 letterboxings. I've had people saying that's 1648 01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,560 not realistic, it's a bad action scene. 1649 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,520 And it's like, well, I mean, it's so story time. 1650 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,800 I wasn't at this particular incident, but someone I knew was 1651 01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,880 at a rock club in Newcastle, probably around this kind of 1652 01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,440 time actually. And the DJ was told someone was 1653 01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:53,680 on the dance floor with a knife. And the DJ got on the make set, 1654 01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,800 Everybody get off the dance floor, someone's got a knife. 1655 01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,360 And this one kid in a corn hoodie thought the DJ said got 1656 01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,920 the life. And some people that leave on 1657 01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,500 the dance floor and this one kid runs out of the fucking corn 1658 01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:08,920 T-shirt corner hoodie, got the life. 1659 01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,600 I was. And it's like, so I think what 1660 01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,560 people look at that is that people don't believe that if 1661 01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,280 this kind of shit popped off at a nightclub, there wouldn't be 1662 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,840 an immediate fucking Stampede. I agree. 1663 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,080 I don't sorry. I don't agree because I've seen 1664 01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,760 the exact thing happened to me. I was in a Tiger Tiger at 1665 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:30,520 Portsmouth in 2011 and a massive fight broke out about four feet 1666 01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,320 away from me and I didn't know about it until the jug of what I 1667 01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,480 was holding suddenly had like a different glass in it splashed. 1668 01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:38,320 And I was like what the fuck? And then like they turned around 1669 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,160 and like one of the guys in our party had been like bopped in 1670 01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,960 the nose and was like pissing blood everywhere and I was like 1671 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,720 what the fuck just happened? Yeah, exactly. 1672 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,200 I mean, so yeah, I guess that's why to me, it's not an 1673 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,680 unbelievable fight and it's not a scene that like ruins the film 1674 01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,520 or anything, as if anything could ruin this film. 1675 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:58,280 But I mean, yeah, it's the the whole gunplay section of it 1676 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:02,520 doesn't last super long. It's it's concise, it's violent. 1677 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,560 It's it's very to the point and you don't see massive exoduses 1678 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,160 because it's the first start in terms of storytelling. 1679 01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,800 Most of the people that are probably fucking high or drunk 1680 01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,320 anyway, right? And it's like the, the, the, the 1681 01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,680 music's booming. No one's running in and 1682 01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:17,960 screaming. This is a raid. 1683 01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,200 Put your hands up, turn off the music kind of shit. 1684 01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,880 So give. A stop still start fling when 1685 01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,200 they hear the gun the gun play. Yeah, yeah. 1686 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:27,920 Which is when it would happen you. 1687 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:28,400 Know. Yeah, yeah. 1688 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,840 But it's not like kind of Tom-tom Cruise walks in with a 1689 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,160 gun in his hand that everyone immediately disappears. 1690 01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,960 No, it's it takes it's when Chris McGuigan shot in the leg. 1691 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,520 Yeah, yeah, I like about that is the build up to all this is 1692 01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,880 you've got people getting taken out by by Vincent as he's 1693 01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,080 stalking around the place like a predator. 1694 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:48,400 You've got Max like panic looking around, you know, trying 1695 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,640 to find anybody to help. I guess you've got Fanning 1696 01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,400 there. He wants to get to Max so so we 1697 01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,600 can get him out there safely because he knows that everyone 1698 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,240 else is going to try and kill him. 1699 01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,600 And then you have Lynn with his own personal security trying to 1700 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,360 like usher those guys onto this on slow. 1701 01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,440 He's he's getting like anxiety. And as soon as the shooting 1702 01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:07,640 starts, you can see that all that like coming to a head, like 1703 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:10,200 you say, really short sequence. I think the thing that really 1704 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,720 blows my mind about it is, and it's it hits more now because 1705 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,080 Mark Ruffalo is a much bigger name than he was in 2004. 1706 01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:21,320 But seeing Fanning just get like summarily dispatched, Yeah, 1707 01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,880 like, fuck. Like the one little bit of light 1708 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,600 in this movie that we was going to have, it was going to end. 1709 01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:26,640 All right. Just gone. 1710 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,760 Yeah, right. Cavalry's not coming anymore. 1711 01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,400 Like it's everybody against Max and Vincent now. 1712 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,480 Yeah, it's like what I was helping you, you know, kind of 1713 01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,720 thing. It's like I was like, no, you, 1714 01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,360 you were hindering by chances of surviving tonight. 1715 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,800 Yeah, yeah, fucking fucking awful. 1716 01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,760 Because yeah, you have that sequence of Vincent, like, saves 1717 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,280 his life, yeah, by shooting that guy. 1718 01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,920 He looks at him and he's like. Yeah, the one why you believed 1719 01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:50,800 him when he was trying to extract him from the whole thing 1720 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,760 and he got him out of this mess. I do think. 1721 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,480 I mean, all right, all right, pay a limb. 1722 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:57,520 But I'm built different because I simply wouldn't have been at a 1723 01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,760 nightclub the night before. I had to be in court as a 1724 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,760 witness. I've been literally, literally 1725 01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,440 anywhere else than a fucking nightclub in the early hours of 1726 01:24:06,440 --> 01:24:10,280 the morning, you know, with a talking amount of armed security 1727 01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,240 guys when I know that I'm up against a fucking cartel, you 1728 01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,800 know I would, I, I would be at home or anywhere else or out in 1729 01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:18,200 the home. Really. 1730 01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:19,720 Like, wouldn't you? You've got to go on the stands 1731 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,160 more. Yeah, yeah, I've been a safe 1732 01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:23,720 house. Yeah, I've been a safe house 1733 01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,000 with federal fucking bodyguard. Yeah, like a bunch of like US 1734 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:31,160 marshals just hanging around. Then again, if there is a higher 1735 01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,920 conspiracy, maybe there was, maybe there was no access to a 1736 01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,480 budget for. US, yeah maybe, but I don't 1737 01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:37,720 think then go to fucking Tokyo do it was on the High Street 1738 01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,920 either. I'm just going to treat this 1739 01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:45,280 like any other night and I'm going to go fucking club and I'm 1740 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:49,800 going to sit in the fancy club in the friggin booth with me, 1741 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,160 with me dudes. So we'll get a defenders and be 1742 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,000 high fucking profile. Don't just literally go 1743 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,840 somewhere else. Go go, go see a film, go watch 1744 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,040 Bridget Jones five times in a row or whatever. 1745 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,120 You know, just like find like find a cinemas open all night, 1746 01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,680 stay in the house. Yeah, mental. 1747 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,960 Yeah, my, if I take on it is I'm not 100% sure what the date of 1748 01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,000 it is when the movie takes place. 1749 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,720 I don't know if there's I haven't I didn't like comb 1750 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,560 through it and do a freeze frame every single bit. 1751 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,560 I happen to notice it passing at the very end of the film on 1752 01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,880 yeah, Sunday night, Sunday. So that means it would in 1753 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,120 Saturday night when the night started Sunday early Sunday 1754 01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,720 morning when it's happening. So the court case starts on a 1755 01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,960 Sunday morning. Yeah, which is wild. 1756 01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,560 Wild, yeah. But I don't know. 1757 01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:44,400 Don't know because it's January 24th of 2004. 1758 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,840 Yeah. And I'm just thinking like how 1759 01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,080 long it takes to do post production on on a on a film. 1760 01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,440 I don't know if that's when it was shot or if it was shot 1761 01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:55,000 generally a lot earlier. I need to like dig in some 1762 01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:56,960 behind the scenes details on that. 1763 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,960 What I would say is that because of the way it's shot and that 1764 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,680 maybe it hasn't had that much post production, maybe it did 1765 01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,000 come out within six months of being shot. 1766 01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,440 Yeah. Don't know. 1767 01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,880 Anyway, so, yeah, we have that sequence. 1768 01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:10,440 Banning rested. Peace is now dead. 1769 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,640 We have the it's you What? This is over. 1770 01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:16,000 You lost out. You've done how to fucking count 1771 01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,200 5. You've got one more to go, Max. 1772 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,280 He's just driving with him and he doesn't want to do it. 1773 01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,760 And he gets there's an argument with them and they have a bit of 1774 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,440 a nihilistic argument about the the value of human life. 1775 01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,040 And they start having the whole kind of thing of like what's 1776 01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,800 because Vincent comes up with some very edge Lord points. 1777 01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,320 He's like, all right, OK, so like how many people died in 1778 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,160 Rwanda? Did you fucking join Greenpeace? 1779 01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,960 Did you like join save the whales like or, or or have 1780 01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:41,400 killed like one? What does he call him? 1781 01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:42,360 He calls him. Angelino. 1782 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,000 One fat Angelino. Goes out there, goes out. 1783 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,760 And suddenly and now suddenly, you've got a moral imperative. 1784 01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,400 It's like, well, I think you've ever simplified the issue there. 1785 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,480 There's a difference between deaths that were happening that 1786 01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,040 that have got to do with you and things that you've had an actual 1787 01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:56,600 participation. It's a trolley problem, isn't 1788 01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:57,120 it? Yeah. 1789 01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,120 So they have a bit of arguing about that. 1790 01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:03,240 Max decides heroically to deliberately crash at the cab. 1791 01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:05,800 Incredible crash, I think. A really good stunt. 1792 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:06,880 Yeah. That's. 1793 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:11,000 It's up there with like the maximum number of rules like 1794 01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,880 cars ever done on in Casino Royale and what kind of stuff. 1795 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:18,160 What I like about it is he he crashes it by driving it into a 1796 01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,240 Jersey barrier around some Rd works a believable I mean right 1797 01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,840 stunt people, if there are any in the comments and probably 1798 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,200 like pile in with like this is the world's oldest setup for a 1799 01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,320 stunt. But it happens to look like a 1800 01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,560 natural bit of the road works and isn't like just a car 1801 01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,760 crashing out of nowhere, which you sometimes you just see a lot 1802 01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,760 in like a lot of like 70s, sixties, 70s don't work. 1803 01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:40,440 You should see like cars crashing out of nowhere. 1804 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,360 In fact, In fact, hang on a minute in 20 tens. 1805 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:45,440 Unstoppable. Unstoppable. 1806 01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:49,600 Yeah, we saw a police. Car like randomly randomly roll 1807 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,400 out of nowhere because it's like obviously what a tip to make it 1808 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,760 do that is like concealed on the roadway. 1809 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,400 But like, this makes perfect sense. 1810 01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,280 The taxi driver has seen a Jersey barrier on the road and 1811 01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,080 crashed into it to rule the car. Well, you see that. 1812 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,720 That's because like modern day police vehicles have like, a 1813 01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,360 secret flip over a button that the government doesn't want you 1814 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,200 to know about. Speed racing. 1815 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:09,960 Yeah, there's like a special button you're pressing. 1816 01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,280 The vehicle just flips over. Governments don't want you to 1817 01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,200 know this. Man, I love how just obviously 1818 01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,200 as well when he's just when he saw just blowing through red 1819 01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,400 lights and you see him just flooring that thing and it's 1820 01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,640 like that's, that's the fucking power of a Crown Victoria baby. 1821 01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,400 That's a powerful car tearing through the city. 1822 01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:31,240 Like so when when when Vincent is kind of just really going in 1823 01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,720 like spewing his like nihilism Atom and stuff. 1824 01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,480 This is like the real height of his conflict with him. 1825 01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,600 He's spewing all this nihilistic shit. 1826 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,160 Atom. I like how the taxi met out. 1827 01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,880 It's visible a few times and obviously it's fares reading all 1828 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,320 zeros. Now it's Michael Mann. 1829 01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,080 Nothing happens for no reason and I love the fact that while 1830 01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,360 he's talking about or nothing matters, nothing exists, that 1831 01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:55,480 kind of thing. It's all bullshit. 1832 01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,080 Nothing's important, nothing's relevant to anything. 1833 01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,560 Would just would just like what specks the dust in a Galaxy or 1834 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,080 some shit like that. This edge load stuff and this is 1835 01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:08,480 big fat red zeros on the screen. Like it's just like, that's just 1836 01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,640 that's just reflective. I think of it's nihilism and 1837 01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,800 it's disbelief in anything. And this comes just before just 1838 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:21,520 before Max's kind of personal code and his beliefs kind of 1839 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,600 come back swinging into the fight and he's like, you know 1840 01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,800 what, Vincent, go fuck yourself kind of thing. 1841 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,400 Fuck you weapons. And it's like crash. 1842 01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,880 We get the closest thing that we have from Vincent of A Hint of 1843 01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:37,080 fear as well. Yeah, so obviously he sees the 1844 01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,040 car going faster and faster and faster. 1845 01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:40,960 Initially he's like, what are you doing, man? 1846 01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,720 What are you doing? Because he's only got stopped by 1847 01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:43,800 the police for running red light. 1848 01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,520 That's that's what I read it as. I read it as I was initially 1849 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,920 being concerned about standing out by having a traffic 1850 01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:50,800 violation. And then that's how you get 1851 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,520 pulled over and the boys found it, blah, blah, blah, blah, 1852 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,920 blah. Then as he starts taking those 1853 01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,360 like long down hills into those tight turns, you start to get 1854 01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,680 from Vincent a sense of like, shit, like this guy's off the 1855 01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,560 rails and I've lost, I've lost control of him and a little 1856 01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,480 interfere. And then and then Vincent of 1857 01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:08,040 course. Sorry Max flips flips the cab. 1858 01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:09,840 Great crash. Brilliant sequence. 1859 01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,080 Really believable crunchy Max. I think Rince is Vincent for not 1860 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,360 wearing his seat belt as well. Yes, that's right, he does. 1861 01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,640 That's brilliant. And Vincent is also is it? 1862 01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,400 He picks up his gun and it just hits Max like several times like 1863 01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,600 bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, like like just whacks him like 1864 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,200 out of frustration. Very funny. 1865 01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,040 But then but then he gets out. He takes off down the street, 1866 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,000 runs away. It's like finally, like they've 1867 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,880 separated. There's like a right this this 1868 01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,240 thing has glommed onto all night is like finally departed. 1869 01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:37,320 Great. And then the police come and you 1870 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,480 think, oh, great. Yeah, he's going to get, he's 1871 01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:40,520 going to be able to talk to the police. 1872 01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:41,840 You're going to tell them what's going on. 1873 01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:43,520 Finally. Fantastic. 1874 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:48,640 And then the patrolman sees the, the, the, the, the boot and sees 1875 01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,000 the body. And then he like pulls the 1876 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,280 weapon. And it's the precise same 1877 01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,880 moment, I think, as as Max sees the laptop, which has stayed on. 1878 01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:02,880 Take that Neil Breen and sees the identity of the 5th, the 1879 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,240 identity of the 5th target and of course it's Annie. 1880 01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,640 What are the chances? And I initially was like, that's 1881 01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,720 a bit far fetched that he was talking to Annie earlier on, but 1882 01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:12,200 actually he drove her to her building and picked up Vincent, 1883 01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,320 who was scoping out her building. 1884 01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:15,000 Actually makes perfect sense onto her job. 1885 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:19,120 But yeah, so unfortunately he what's he doing? 1886 01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:22,400 He cuffs the guy, doesn't he? Like, yeah, like he kind of, he 1887 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,800 kind of cuffs him, cuffs him to the vehicle, right? 1888 01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,600 And then he's like, oh, don't worry, I'll call the police. 1889 01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:34,360 It's like he doesn't you've you've downloaded a little bit 1890 01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:38,000 too much of Vincent's lying personality that I made but. 1891 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,040 Yeah, yeah. But what I love about it is that 1892 01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,760 this is so we had a an internal moment of change. 1893 01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,760 I think in the coyote scene, if we're going to be wanky about 1894 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,800 it, they both looked at those coyotes and they both had a a 1895 01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,920 moment where they really considered who they are and what 1896 01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,440 they want in our life. We've obviously had these 1897 01:31:52,440 --> 01:31:54,600 conversations throughout the movie between Vincent and Max 1898 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:58,320 where Vincent is called Max on his bullshit. 1899 01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,240 Basically, you're not starting this, this limousine company, 1900 01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:05,400 All it takes for you to buy, buy one town car, like get a load 1901 01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,320 and get one town car and then you're off to the races. 1902 01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,160 But no, you've said you've got to build up a client list, 1903 01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,480 you've got to get employees, you've got to like buy multiple 1904 01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:15,880 cars, you've got to find out a garage and all this stuff. 1905 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:16,960 And it's like you're just stalling. 1906 01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:19,440 You're not living your life. And then he says to him like, 1907 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,040 you know, you're going to get to the end of your life and realise 1908 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:22,480 you never took it. You never took a chance. 1909 01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,320 You never did it. And then we get to the end of 1910 01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,960 the movie, which is the incredible movement. 1911 01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,200 So he obviously rubs that guy's phone out of his hand. 1912 01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,880 Hilarious. Just just like pulling the gun 1913 01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,920 goes like, hey, man, he should puts it goes like falls over. 1914 01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,760 Yeah, you would. And then then he has the whole 1915 01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,080 the whole moment where he has to like, call Annie and try to 1916 01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:45,800 explain what's going on, which is just like, it goes about as 1917 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,920 well as it possibly can do. It goes better than it probably 1918 01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,680 could. You know, it's so it seems like 1919 01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,000 a crank call until he mentions Felix Ray's Terrina. 1920 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:58,240 We have the the whole sequence where so they converge on her 1921 01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,400 building. She's doing her routine that she 1922 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,320 said she was going to do at the start of the movie. 1923 01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,120 So she's working late. And so it's a good pull from Max 1924 01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,440 to remember that and go to where she works as well. 1925 01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:13,600 And we have the very tension building sequence of like Max 1926 01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,400 has stood on an adjacent building's roof. 1927 01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,320 You can see up to the floors of the building they're in. 1928 01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,320 She's on the 15th floor. Her office is on like the 14th 1929 01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:25,520 floor and fucking Vincent is in her office and she's on the 1930 01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:29,080 floor above, so she has to go in there himself and get her, get 1931 01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:32,200 her out from underneath. Basically the foot of this 1932 01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:36,640 fucking trained contract killer. Incredible sequence. 1933 01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,280 And she calls 911 and just full of powers cut. 1934 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,480 She says there's a man in the building and and then power goes 1935 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,240 out. And it's like at this point the 1936 01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,520 film was just screaming to me, shit, the police are going to 1937 01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,520 get the wrong guy. The wrong guy is going to get 1938 01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,920 watched at this point. Yeah, there is a man in the 1939 01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:54,920 building, a Michael Mann and. Michael Mann is in the fucking 1940 01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,360 house. It is Michael Mannuari, the 1941 01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,520 first baby. I love this hope sequence. 1942 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,560 I love the the the shooting, like so many windows get shot 1943 01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:07,480 through, But again, you know, there's a there's a geography. 1944 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,600 There's like a little maze of desks they've got to get through 1945 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,360 and they do it. I really love this is a bit 1946 01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:17,240 where Vincent picks up an office chair, throws it through a plate 1947 01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,480 window, jumps through after it trips on the chair. 1948 01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,000 It falls off. It falls off it and then gets up 1949 01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,360 and runs away and they're like that. 1950 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,360 Yeah, I mean, I wonder. Tom Cruise did that stunt, and 1951 01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:28,960 Tom Cruise probably demanded it remaining. 1952 01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,760 Because because he does have a stunt double, you know, a credit 1953 01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,040 in the film as well. I did see that, yeah, but 1954 01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,440 apparently he still did many of his own stunts, so I wonder what 1955 01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:39,560 bits he didn't do. Might be it might be stuff like 1956 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,080 the car flipping if there was someone in there, or probably 1957 01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:43,160 not though. Probably wouldn't have had 1958 01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,480 anyone in it, but other bits of driving probably. 1959 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:48,560 Yeah, yeah, probably. I mean, what is the most that 1960 01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:53,480 kind of dangerous physical stunt film do you think on the car 1961 01:34:53,480 --> 01:34:57,440 crash made it be that whole jump through the window thing? 1962 01:34:57,680 --> 01:34:59,560 I mean that is probably. In terms of like. 1963 01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,360 One of the most demanding stunts though in the car crash I guess. 1964 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,880 Pick up a thing for the window. The chances of like, you know, 1965 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:07,760 twisting your ankle or something, Yeah, are pretty 1966 01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:09,280 high. But falling and, you know, and 1967 01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,560 like broken bones, that kind of stuff, Yeah, there's probably a 1968 01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,560 fair amount of that. So I imagine that's the one that 1969 01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:18,360 you'd expect the still want to do, but interesting, 1970 01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:19,720 interesting. I mean, it's worth it. 1971 01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,200 We don't have time for on this on on this. 1972 01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,240 I would love if there was some kind of movie stunt podcast to 1973 01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:26,720 existence to go into this more detail. 1974 01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,080 I'd love to stalk with somebody who doesn't know about stunts a 1975 01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:30,560 lot more than we do. That'd be great. 1976 01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:33,080 Yeah. Deeply, deeply into that. 1977 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:34,000 There's an idea. Yeah. 1978 01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,760 So they start to flee the building. 1979 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:39,240 Max cleverly decides to avoid the streets and goes to the 1980 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:42,320 underground scout a train. Vincent is not fooled. 1981 01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,920 And just follow them. And we have this, this, this 1982 01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:46,840 fight sequence set on the train. I love this. 1983 01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,000 It's that whole classic of like, will they get on the train? 1984 01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,560 Will they get off the train? There's two, there's a bit where 1985 01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,680 there's two trains as well. There's the upper level and the 1986 01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:53,880 lower level. And it's decide which one's 1987 01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,880 going to be pure chance. But he gets there and he picks, 1988 01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:57,680 he picks the lower level correctly, unfortunately. 1989 01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:59,920 Well, we've been a pretty, pretty underwhelming end of the 1990 01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:02,520 film actually, if you haven't, but but yeah. 1991 01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,600 And then you have this whole like cat and mouse chase through 1992 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,120 the train. A bit like the deleted sequence 1993 01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,400 from the Untouchables to different director to different 1994 01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:14,160 streamer, but still. And then it culminates in 1995 01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,400 another great shootout, not unlike the lift shootout from 1996 01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,920 Smoking Aces. Yes, poorly aimed shots. 1997 01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:24,280 Yeah, just just kind of up close and personal. 1998 01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,400 The film uses darkness as part of its storytelling. 1999 01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:31,840 Yeah, tool kit lit only by muscle fascist for moments. 2000 01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:38,080 It's just like, different to P It's a difference between cover 2001 01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:39,920 and concealment, right? Yeah. 2002 01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:41,960 Because we're in this, like stuff mashing up through the 2003 01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:46,960 doors, through the windows. And Vincent comes off, comes off 2004 01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:51,080 the worst for it. He's faintly shot, tries to 2005 01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:52,960 reload. And then he realises that he's 2006 01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,080 cooked, realises he's head and he's losing blood rapidly. 2007 01:36:56,080 --> 01:37:01,760 He sits down and of course Max is out of ammo as well as pistol 2008 01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,040 sucked up. And he comes over. 2009 01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:04,960 Yeah. And. 2010 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,320 And. He's still pointing it. 2011 01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:09,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's brilliant, Yeah. 2012 01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,600 It just goes to show that he's he's not an action guy. 2013 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,840 I mean, he's like holding this pistol, like fucking Talisman 2014 01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,040 rather than a weapon. And he's managed to he's managed 2015 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,520 to kill a guy. And it's like then of course you 2016 01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:24,560 guess you got that man gets on the MTA and dies, rides around 2017 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,840 for six hours. No one, no one knows his dad 2018 01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,920 kind of thing from from Max's and our win Elliot the next 2019 01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,800 station and Vincent's then literally dies. 2020 01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:37,720 He's like, yeah, he's just. Pull out a Palm Beach and then 2021 01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:39,400 he's like. Yeah, yeah. 2022 01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:44,040 It's a poetic AF but but I think it works for me because like 2023 01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,920 this whole movie, it's this in the play between Max and 2024 01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,200 Vincent, this two header, this character study of the two of 2025 01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,560 them is made. It is elevated, I think, like a 2026 01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,280 what would have been a pretty straightforward action movie of 2027 01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,360 like like a an anti buddy cop movie. 2028 01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:02,960 But I think those philosophical chats they've had throughout the 2029 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,440 course of it. And like it's it's lent this 2030 01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:08,160 almost like a almost like a fable kind of quality to it, 2031 01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:13,400 like a fairy tale quality to it. And yeah, it's almost like sort 2032 01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:17,160 of the moral good is trying to the evil despite itself. 2033 01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,600 Like there's no way that that Max is the is the better 2034 01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:22,200 marksman. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of like 2035 01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,640 a knight in the Squire, but the Knights evil, right? 2036 01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:30,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's kind of weird to 2037 01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:31,840 see me. It's almost like ripple skilt 2038 01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,360 skin. It's just been taken out and 2039 01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,840 it's like dying in the MTA. That's that's what it feels like 2040 01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:40,720 to me, like the evil trickster. It's like it's been defeated by 2041 01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:45,320 by his own tools. Fantastic. 2042 01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:46,800 Fantastic. And it just ends as well. 2043 01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,160 I love this movie Just ends as well. 2044 01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:49,600 There's some extra bullshit at the end of it. 2045 01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,400 There's no like, yeah, you know, there's no like end sequence 2046 01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,840 where he's like fucking opening his limousine company or or you 2047 01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,680 see any of the trial. You don't see any of the trial. 2048 01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,280 You don't see you don't see a news report. 2049 01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:02,080 You don't see a stepping out of the courtroom, the courthouse 2050 01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:06,320 and news reporters going there, going like, oh, the Felix Reyes 2051 01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,240 Terrella has been sent away for 50 years. 2052 01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:13,280 Like, no, that, no, that shit. They just didn't matter. 2053 01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,960 That's that's the importance of the stories over with. 2054 01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,040 You can kind of like work out in your head kind of what happens 2055 01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,480 to Felix or whatever a later date. 2056 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,360 But it's again, it's Michael Mann cutting out the fat, paring 2057 01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,920 things down and things out, yet still leaving a really, really, 2058 01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,560 really rich storytelling experience. 2059 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,080 Yeah, big time 100. Percent. 2060 01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,760 Cool, right? Should we take a quick break and 2061 01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:57,200 come back for categories? Go away, my briefcase the. 2062 01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,240 Briefcase. Yeah, it is why you want it 2063 01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:36,680 back. So we're going to go through the 2064 01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,400 categories, which is something we've always done on a clear and 2065 01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,000 present dudes got a few new categories for a new season. 2066 01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:44,280 So we'll try those out as well as we go through. 2067 01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:48,720 But first of all, I guess we'll stick with our always one, which 2068 01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,160 is casting. Yes. 2069 01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,920 So on this one, we don't talk about the major styles too much 2070 01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,440 because they've we've talked about them for the last two 2071 01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:58,200 hours. But we'll talk about some of the 2072 01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:02,080 the lesser known players and and who they are in this movie. 2073 01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,320 Got some really good ones for for this movie. 2074 01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:08,320 So starting with so we've talked already about Tom Cruise, Jimmy 2075 01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,800 Fox, Jimmy Pinkett Smith, Mark Ruffalo, Mark Ruffalo, Detective 2076 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:16,800 Fanning's boss, this guy called Peter Berg, his character called 2077 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,000 Richard Wagner. Peter Berg is an actor. 2078 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:23,360 He's also a producer and he's an executive producer on the left 2079 01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,560 of us, which is like one of the greatest TV shows ever made. 2080 01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:27,200 So I just want to throw that one out there. 2081 01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:32,200 Bruce McGill we talked about already Miami Vice, The insider, 2082 01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:36,400 but also right, he's been in so much National Lampoon's Animal 2083 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,400 House, Law Abiding Citizen, My Cousin Vinny. 2084 01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:40,920 It's one of the greatest movies ever made. 2085 01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:44,640 Cinderella Man, Like if you even look through his latest stuff, 2086 01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,960 one thing I don't know if you remember, but he was in a season 2087 01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,600 1 of Reacher as the mayor. Holy crown the way. 2088 01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,200 Yes, yeah, that. In. 2089 01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:55,960 Detail The little pimp. The little pimp came, Yeah. 2090 01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:59,640 Details. The jazz musician that was 2091 01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:04,720 played by Barry Shabaka Henley, again, his his you may know, is 2092 01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:08,560 not massively extensive. So he plays his iconic role as 2093 01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,320 this jazz man and I guess gangster in this, but also plays 2094 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,720 Bobby the prison officer in Rush Hour. 2095 01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:16,960 Tremendous. Only very short scene, but 2096 01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,800 really great. Yeah, Debbie, Debbie Mizar, who 2097 01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,440 is in a shit tonne of stuff including Empire Records and The 2098 01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:25,480 Insider. Empire Records mentioned get. 2099 01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,920 In exactly Yeah, Suppose Chain Empire records who is I think 2100 01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,640 Rex Manning's assistant, I think. 2101 01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,520 But she she's just plays a young professional in this this has a 2102 01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:40,760 tiny role, but great. We'll put you back to Barry 2103 01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:42,800 Shabaka Henley. I'll take a quick look. 2104 01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,480 His his his IMDb. Holy shit, it's done a lot. 2105 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:50,840 I delayed that guy. Moment from him was he was in 2106 01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,720 Heroes. He was in the Heroes TV Series A 2107 01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:56,520 few years after this film. He played Detective Brian Fullen 2108 01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,520 where I remember him from. Tell you why as well he also 2109 01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:04,200 played He's also in Death by Lightning which came out this 2110 01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:08,200 year, which was the the mini series on Netflix about the the 2111 01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:09,960 assassination of James Garfield. Oh, right. 2112 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,120 This is the second film that we've done when a member of the 2113 01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,360 cast was a voice actor in Duck Man. 2114 01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:21,720 I cannot remember which of that film we've talked about that 2115 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,760 there was someone in it who was being in Duck Man, but he was in 2116 01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:30,080 an episode of Duck Man. We'll have to dig deeper in 2117 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:31,640 with. There's like some kind of link 2118 01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,560 between people in being episodes of Duck Man, people being in 2119 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,640 really fucking good thrillers. I think there might be. 2120 01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:42,680 It was in, it was in the Miami Vice film from 2006. 2121 01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:47,360 So he continued working with Michael Mann two years later, 2122 01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:50,680 which is pretty cool. Yeah, he seems to have done a 2123 01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:52,200 lot of a lot of interesting stuff. 2124 01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:53,760 Should we go through some quotes? 2125 01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,480 Yeah, such a dialogue heavy film as well. 2126 01:43:56,480 --> 01:44:00,280 The wit and wisdom and especially the width between 2127 01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:04,600 Vincent and Max is brilliant. High point of when there's the 2128 01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:10,560 argument about about how Vincent threw a man out of a window and 2129 01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,600 Vincent's like, Oh no, I didn't. He fell. 2130 01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,160 And then Max is like, what a deal you would say when Max 2131 01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,240 gives him shit. He just met him once and you 2132 01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:22,080 killed him like that and just this absolute the conversation 2133 01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:25,440 and our of a line from Vincent. What I should only kill people 2134 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:29,680 after I get to know them and it's like, I mean it's just no 2135 01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:33,280 notes, 11 out of 10, no fucking notes. 2136 01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:35,360 Of course no one can argue with you, homie. 2137 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:39,120 That my briefcase that's. That's the one your homie. 2138 01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,960 But my briefcase so good. It's quite like a menacing, 2139 01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:44,160 punchy voice when he wants to. It really does. 2140 01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:46,800 It really does. I mean like in in in Tropic 2141 01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,520 Thunder, obviously when he was like kind of comically over the 2142 01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:54,120 top angry, like your fuck your face and all that. 2143 01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,480 But when he wants to be like more low key punchly intimidate 2144 01:44:57,480 --> 01:45:02,200 and you know, it's like he's. Even when he was in You good 2145 01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:03,600 man, he's like, you cut those guys loose. 2146 01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,480 Yeah, it's like still good the. Fucking only thing that didn't 2147 01:45:07,480 --> 01:45:11,680 show up is the Polish cavalry, says Vincent after the nightclub 2148 01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,200 shootout. It's like, is that a Siege of 2149 01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:19,320 Vienna reference? Is that a wing to sauce moment? 2150 01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:25,080 Shot This is fire. I like the the train the train 2151 01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,840 fight at the end and then Max Vincent is just like getting 2152 01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,600 angry and angry and he goes Max. I do this for a living. 2153 01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:35,680 It's like, Sir, I have a professional. 2154 01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:39,600 Oh good man. If you go through the quotes on 2155 01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:42,000 MTV, it's just them arguing with each other the whole time. 2156 01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:44,440 And some of those, some of those are funny, but some of them are 2157 01:45:44,440 --> 01:45:47,240 just that's sad. That's great, Vincent. 2158 01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:48,560 You're alive. I saved you. 2159 01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:49,840 Do I got any thanks? No. 2160 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,640 All he do is climb up. You want to talk? 2161 01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,160 Tell me to fuck off, Max. Fuck off. 2162 01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:56,880 Yeah, I love that. There's a little grumble. 2163 01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,400 If I'd been like Joe Pesci would have been like that Shrek of 2164 01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:04,960 wrecking, wrecking stuff. Like like. 2165 01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:07,560 Yeah, I guess the, I guess the final lines as well, like just 2166 01:46:07,560 --> 01:46:10,200 the guy got some of the MTA here in LA he dies. 2167 01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,480 Do you think anyone will notice just that symbolism? 2168 01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,600 I'll tell you what, actually, one thing I noticed at the very 2169 01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:15,920 end, I'm sorry. One thing I noticed that's 2170 01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,480 really rewarding to rewatch is right at the beginning of the 2171 01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:22,160 movie, Vincent initially gives up on getting into Max's cap. 2172 01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:24,720 Like, like, Max's head lost and something else. 2173 01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:26,200 Yeah. And he's like, and he's like, 2174 01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:28,240 oh, forget, I'll go next one. And he's like, no, no, stop. 2175 01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,760 I can take him out. And it's like, fuck man, you 2176 01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:34,480 were like this close to getting a gun away from the whole thing. 2177 01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,880 If the other guy had picked him up, he would have killed 2178 01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:39,240 everyone. You've got everyone, man, 2179 01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:43,240 because, you know, because Max wouldn't have been that realised 2180 01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:45,920 that his final target was Zanny. Exactly. 2181 01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,640 Man, the whole thing would have gone very differently. 2182 01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,240 Yeah, crazy. Makes you think. 2183 01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:52,640 Fate, the universe, Kismet. Yi Ching. 2184 01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:54,680 Darwin. Darwin, man. 2185 01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,560 Man gets on the town and we are metro dies. 2186 01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:01,880 Oh cool, right? I'm Devi Shivier dude. 2187 01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,520 The very first one I've read here is Tom Cruise really fell 2188 01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:05,560 when he stepped on the office chair. 2189 01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:07,880 Michael Mann liked the anomaly so much he left it in the film. 2190 01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:09,760 Called it. Yeah, you did call it. 2191 01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,800 Well, the man could call. That's amazing. 2192 01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,440 Excellent. All right, OK, we haven't talked 2193 01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:16,280 about it yet. I I did already know this. 2194 01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,760 This movie initially wasn't a Michael Mann film. 2195 01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,240 Initially it was going to be a Frank Darabont film. 2196 01:47:23,480 --> 01:47:26,400 Frank Darabont obviously like Walking Dead, but also like 2197 01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:31,640 Shawshank Redemption and when it was in that stage, it was going 2198 01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:34,200 to be Russell Crowe in Adam the Sandler. 2199 01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:37,240 Did you did you do this? Could you imagine this movie? 2200 01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:41,640 Have it Had it been so Crow at Adam Sandler like got it back 2201 01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,720 got to do 5 stops and he played jungle and he's like. 2202 01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:50,200 Come to the back of the book like such a fucking bad concept. 2203 01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:53,760 That is painful. I think no, I right, I think 2204 01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:55,640 there's potential there, right Russell? 2205 01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:57,600 Crew, Rompus stomp. I can see how they came up with 2206 01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,920 it, Russell. Crew, Russell crew, I'm now 2207 01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,480 looking for like what he was up to in 2004. 2208 01:48:03,480 --> 01:48:06,800 I mean master obviously so. Master Commander. 2209 01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:09,640 Cinderella Mams you're after beautiful mind. 2210 01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:12,960 He did Gladiator and Proof of Life in the same year. 2211 01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,920 Jesus Christ, you smoke too hard, you bitch too bad you swag 2212 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:19,640 too different. He'll kill you, I mean. 2213 01:48:20,440 --> 01:48:22,840 Around this time Adam Sandler I think this punch drunk glove 2214 01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,360 check. I think in this point in his 2215 01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:29,240 career, I could kind of see it. I mean, I could definitely see, 2216 01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,360 as you said, I think it's class. You and I both went to like 2217 01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:34,440 Rumble Stomper at that point, which was like in 1992 film, but 2218 01:48:34,440 --> 01:48:40,120 this, but it's like, I mean, the Rumble Stomper era of you could 2219 01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:42,200 definitely do it. I think he could have pulled it 2220 01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:47,600 off in 2004 with the with the kind of stuff that he's doing. 2221 01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,280 I mean, especially I can say he's done proof of life. 2222 01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:50,560 He's on a thriller kind of stuff. 2223 01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:52,920 It's got range. You've seen virtuosity. 2224 01:48:53,480 --> 01:48:55,640 Well, yeah, I asked well why it's got range. 2225 01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:58,600 He's gone from Gladiator, Proof of Life, Beautiful Mind, very 2226 01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,160 different film those. And then. 2227 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:04,120 So yeah, I retract my statement that it wouldn't have been good 2228 01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:05,480 because I can actually see it working. 2229 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:07,720 However, I'm still not sure about. 2230 01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:13,640 Adam Sandler. Yeah, I don't. 2231 01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,120 Yeah, a weird one. It's a weird 1, isn't it? 2232 01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,920 But I can see how it happened. They, they obviously wanted to 2233 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,760 have the the sort of the comedian turn into a series 2234 01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:24,080 role, 'cause that's how they got Jimmy Fox. 2235 01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,800 I mean, Fox had only done comedy beforehand. 2236 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,720 Yeah, and then it was brought into this really, really 2237 01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:30,640 levelled up, Delivered. Yeah, mad. 2238 01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:33,680 There's been so many people like interviews saying, oh, to say 2239 01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:36,280 it's, it's unbelievable to see him play in a cool person. 2240 01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:37,840 And I can't say, well, no, it's called acting. 2241 01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,480 It's called acting. He's a good fucking actor. 2242 01:49:39,480 --> 01:49:42,920 Tom Cruise's tactical draw is so good in a scene from Collateral 2243 01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:45,360 that it's used by experts and lessons for handgun training. 2244 01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:47,360 Obviously it's the Yahoo Me my briefcase. 2245 01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:48,160 Yeah. Sequence. 2246 01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:49,800 That's right. So that's interesting. 2247 01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:53,000 So that's that's a handgun sequence that's so good from a 2248 01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:54,760 from a Michael Mine film and it's been cool. 2249 01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:57,920 Yeah. Yeah, the W .1 both both the 2250 01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:59,760 same essays operator trained every. 2251 01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,440 Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, so not surprising. 2252 01:50:02,440 --> 01:50:05,280 So, so, So he did the training for heat as well, Yeah. 2253 01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:06,960 He did, Yeah. Incredible. 2254 01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,840 So, yeah, when when the American military like it so much, it's 2255 01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:11,040 because they like the British military. 2256 01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:14,400 What a what a surprise To help Tom Cruise and the Jamie Foxx 2257 01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:16,040 best capture the spirit of their characters. 2258 01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:18,640 Michael Mann wrote documents on the background of Vincent. 2259 01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:21,000 And Max says that the document on Vincent had information on 2260 01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:22,560 how he began to like Charles again. 2261 01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:23,640 But Michael Mann got over the top. 2262 01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:27,040 Yeah, right. Another thing as well was the 2263 01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:30,200 rule of Fanning was originally going to be played by Val Kilmer 2264 01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:31,400 and that's what it was written for. 2265 01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,800 And then Val Kilmer had a competing commitment, so we 2266 01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,000 couldn't do it. And that's why I went to Mark 2267 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:39,280 Ruffalo. I can actually see, I mean, Mark 2268 01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,920 Ruffalo's got the whole slick back hair. 2269 01:50:42,440 --> 01:50:44,640 Yeah, Ring. It's very kind of Kilmar coated, 2270 01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,560 like kind of appearance isn't. It yeah, it is. 2271 01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,880 I mean, it would have made his death more shocking, I think, 2272 01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:53,160 because you wouldn't be expecting Val Kilmer to buy it. 2273 01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:56,200 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, fascinating. 2274 01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,160 Some cool bits from inside the cab here. 2275 01:50:58,360 --> 01:51:01,040 So the seating of the two leads was crucial to certain scenes. 2276 01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:04,240 For some of their more intimate exchanges, Tom Cruise would sit 2277 01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:07,440 directly behind Jimmy Fox on the driver's side, so out of Jimmy 2278 01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:09,880 Fox's peripheral vision, making him more vulnerable and 2279 01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,600 uncertain of his opponent. I quite like that scarf kind of 2280 01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:14,160 thing. And they put a lot of effort 2281 01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:17,560 into the setting up for the cab. So they had about, like, 17 cabs 2282 01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,960 they used for the filming. Yeah, but all of them with like 2283 01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:21,800 different windows removed so they could get all the different 2284 01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:25,200 shots at different angles inside the cab without obviously having 2285 01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:28,320 a fucked up cab. So incredible amount of work 2286 01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:30,720 keeping track of which cab to use for which scene and minds. 2287 01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,520 Boggling amazing though. That's so sad attention it. 2288 01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:36,520 Did you know that like kind of comprehensive film making that 2289 01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:38,000 he does, right? I mean Michael Mann. 2290 01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:39,680 Yeah, wow. I just really. 2291 01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:40,480 I didn't know that. I didn't. 2292 01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:41,720 It wasn't. I didn't pick up on that. 2293 01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:44,840 There are no opening credits or or titles of this film. 2294 01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:47,760 It just starts and it doesn't. You don't. 2295 01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,400 The first time you'll see you is directed by Michael Mad. 2296 01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:51,880 At the end it's. Actually, Jesus, I didn't. 2297 01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:56,600 Wow, there you go man. You don't need them. 2298 01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:57,160 You don't need them. You. 2299 01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:58,840 Don't need them, man. I mean, you know, you know what 2300 01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:00,120 you're going to say. You know what you signed up for. 2301 01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:01,880 That's. Incredible. 2302 01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:03,480 That's. A fucking statement of intent 2303 01:52:03,480 --> 01:52:04,680 right there. Like when you don't even have 2304 01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:06,240 titles, that's class. I love it. 2305 01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:08,920 Michael Mann? You dude, Honestly. 2306 01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:11,880 Right. This one does not surprise me. 2307 01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,240 The train sequence was shot with a green screen background 2308 01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:16,720 because Michael Mann had very precise ideas about what should 2309 01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:18,240 be visible through the train windows. 2310 01:52:19,480 --> 01:52:24,400 He obviously had that idea of the establishing kind of closing 2311 01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:27,720 shot of the train going away around all the like the is it 2312 01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:29,440 chemical works or something? I think so. 2313 01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:31,200 I think it's towers. Or something. 2314 01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:32,880 Something like. That it's like industrial stuff 2315 01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:34,240 isn't there. So we obviously didn't want it 2316 01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:37,920 to be like random backgrounds of random presidential 2317 01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,160 neighbourhoods. You wanted to be going out of 2318 01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:40,560 the city and sticks kind of thing. 2319 01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,080 I mean like, because like you want to look like, it's like, 2320 01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:45,840 like because it brings everything in the film down to 2321 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,280 just like, you know, three people isling it from 2322 01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:50,240 everything. So you feel like you look out 2323 01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:53,040 the window and there's a fucking Applebee's with like 7 cars in 2324 01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,280 the car park and like, you know, like it's like, no, that kind of 2325 01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:57,840 pulls you out of a better thing, you know? 2326 01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,000 It's like getting to the end like this goes. 2327 01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:01,720 That's what we're talking about. Like this being like a magical 2328 01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:03,320 realm. It's like, it's like them 2329 01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:07,320 getting to the edge, the border of like this, this weird little 2330 01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:12,000 pocket to mention they're in. And then like, so it's like a 2331 01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:15,400 final, like the final trial, the final Test. 2332 01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:18,960 And not everyone gets to pass through this membrane and get 2333 01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,400 back to life. You know, Vincent obviously is 2334 01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:23,520 the one who doesn't do it. Yeah. 2335 01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,840 Fantastic. Ed Norton was offered both lead 2336 01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:26,600 roles. Wild. 2337 01:53:28,040 --> 01:53:31,800 I'm really sorry, I'm imagining him playing both at the same 2338 01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:33,840 time. Yeah. 2339 01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:37,320 Like the clumps? Edward Norton and Edward Norton. 2340 01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,960 Like the fucking clumps. Edward Norton just plays 2341 01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,040 everyone in the film. Edward Norton threw it himself 2342 01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,880 out of the window. Edward Norton quizzing himself 2343 01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:50,440 about jazz. Edward Norton in gunfights with 2344 01:53:50,440 --> 01:53:52,960 multiple Edward Nortons. Yeah. 2345 01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:54,560 And then like, oh, that's brilliant. 2346 01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:57,240 But Annie, the end is is played by Brad Pitt. 2347 01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:59,320 God. Edward Norton in a fat suit 2348 01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:02,120 playing El Gordo. This is just the Clumps now. 2349 01:54:02,120 --> 01:54:06,200 We've just stolen this film's legitimacy and taken away all of 2350 01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:09,800 it, all of its grandeur, all of its gravity, by just imagining 2351 01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:13,000 Ed Norton playing every role. This is like that whole recast 2352 01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:15,760 one film, but every character but one is now played by a 2353 01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:19,200 Muppet, right? It's like recounts to any film, 2354 01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:22,320 but every character's played by Edward Horton. 2355 01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:25,720 I've got one final brilliant bit of trivia and we'll move on. 2356 01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:29,360 Bruce Miguel is in this movie because Dennis Farina dropped 2357 01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:31,160 out. Yeah, Dennis Farina. 2358 01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:34,680 Dennis Farina, don't burn your tongue in another man's soup. 2359 01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,440 And there's no Irish saying don't listen to the world Polish 2360 01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,840 sayings. Brilliant man Love Dennis 2361 01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:42,520 Farina. Cool. 2362 01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:43,760 That's that's the trivia rundown. 2363 01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:46,080 We've been through casting. We've done 2 quotes, we've done 2364 01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:48,240 trivia. So the next category I want to 2365 01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:50,880 try out is weapons. Free weapons. 2366 01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,880 Free. Well, Royal James O'Toole, you 2367 01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,120 will talk us through the weapon handling in this movie. 2368 01:54:57,720 --> 01:54:59,600 Yeah, I mean, like, I hope we all talk like the weapons and 2369 01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:00,640 stuff. And I guess, well, I'm an 2370 01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:03,760 absolute firearms nerd and a guns and films nerd. 2371 01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,600 I know that you're actually you actually blew things up for HM 2372 01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:09,560 government to know you. You also have your inputs about 2373 01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:12,760 this as well. But man, I love the gun play in 2374 01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:16,960 this film that the the sequence in the alley when it takes out 2375 01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,960 the two guys. I mean, we've we've been in like 2376 01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:23,800 foreshadowing this through the podcast, but I actually had a go 2377 01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:25,440 at doing it myself, not in an alley. 2378 01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,040 I didn't walk out into the mean streets of E Harvard and try and 2379 01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:32,080 gun people down, but I did I did attempt to kind of replicate the 2380 01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:35,520 like this, the speed and the movements of the draw and I was 2381 01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,120 convinced I wouldn't be able to actually do it. 2382 01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:41,640 But through through the power of what's probably undiagnosed 2383 01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:44,400 autism, I actually managed to pretty much pull it off. 2384 01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,600 We've got a video that I'm I'm I'm I'm sure we're going to 2385 01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:51,960 stick on and the in in video, you'll see if if you're 2386 01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:53,960 listening to the audio and it's kind of fear of the mind. 2387 01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:57,480 There's a video of me when I'm the from like from like a 2388 01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:02,000 standing position doing a draw fire, dry firing some good boy, 2389 01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:06,640 dry firing twice and a mass forward and pivot and dry fire 2390 01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:08,360 again. Don't I'm doing the fucking 2391 01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:12,320 handgun thing with my hand is like pivot and fire two shots 2392 01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:13,760 and a mass then one for the head. 2393 01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:17,720 And I managed to actually get at the same kind of rate speed. 2394 01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:22,240 Tom Cruise does it. Now, I'm not saying I've got his 2395 01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:25,200 level of elite ball knowledge and no, he's significantly 2396 01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:28,800 higher trained than me. There's things that I didn't do 2397 01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,520 when all that replicated in the film. 2398 01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:32,960 He he punches someone, then draws and. 2399 01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:34,240 It's what is a good thing, but you didn't do that. 2400 01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:36,720 Yeah, yeah, like, I'm not gonna like, hey, Emma, come down here. 2401 01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:38,120 I've got to rock your fucking chin. 2402 01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:41,160 And then I've got a dry fire and all of these horrible things you 2403 01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:43,640 do in in your kitchen just for a podcast. 2404 01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:47,360 And also he's he, so he's got that motion when he's already 2405 01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:48,960 moving. His left hands go out and hit 2406 01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:52,160 the guy's right hand goes back, it pulls out the jacket to let 2407 01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:55,160 him get it was pistol. I'm drawn from like a wholesale 2408 01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:58,680 that's on a battle belt because I'm too fat and fucking lazy to 2409 01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:02,120 take the horser off my gun belt and put it on my trousers. 2410 01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:04,120 So that's probably a bit of a different variable. 2411 01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:06,160 But yeah, it's it's, it's an incredible scene. 2412 01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:09,280 The rapidity that he shoots. I was buzzing that managed to to 2413 01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:12,080 kind of replicate it. That's pretty cool because the 2414 01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:14,400 plan was I was just going to show how fucking difficult it 2415 01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,640 was and how it almost got it. But anyway. 2416 01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,320 But you did that like over the course of like an hour or two 2417 01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:22,760 and one night I, I bet, I bet, I bet Cruz and man were doing that 2418 01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:27,000 for hours and hours and hours. Yeah, I mean, it was about like 2419 01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:33,880 about 15 minutes work. You only did about like 15 or 20 2420 01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:36,600 attempts, I think. But then again, like I said, I'm 2421 01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:42,160 not bragging because fucking the conditions Tom Cruise that under 2422 01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:44,680 were harder than what I did, I think, but still quite bust 2423 01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:47,360 regarding that guns in this film, something that had us like 2424 01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:49,640 clapping my little hands with Glee. 2425 01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:53,280 Was that like, I don't know if you saw two of the feds had 2426 01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:57,800 those little 9 millimetre cooled submachine guns like the AR15 2427 01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:01,760 with like the long 9 millimetre pistol pistol calibre magazine. 2428 01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:04,160 It's saying our pistol calibre carbines, my beloved. 2429 01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:06,760 I was like, yes, it's that's like a real that guy moment to 2430 01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:07,840 me. It's like when you say like a 2431 01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:11,400 beloved actor or when I say when I say like a firearm that I kind 2432 01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:18,160 of have have have a boner for. I really liked I like Jamie 2433 01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:21,400 Foxx's weapon handling as as Max. 2434 01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:24,560 I like the fact that he he was trained by the same guy, right, 2435 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:28,040 who trained like the rest of the cast, But he's clearly being 2436 01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:31,120 being told and hold it wrong and shoot with the wrong form and 2437 01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:33,080 stuff. And it adds that adds so much of 2438 01:58:33,080 --> 01:58:36,760 legitimacy the film. It's like every time he 2439 01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:39,320 successfully uses a gun, he's shooting with terrible form. 2440 01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:41,920 Like he's holding out like it's like he's like he's fucking 2441 01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:43,840 scared of it. And he still gets like a glance 2442 01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:46,160 and a shot on Tom Cruise. And then obviously he 2443 01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:50,280 annihilates him through the doors of the train and it's and 2444 01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:54,760 it it's Michael Mann's attention details for his gun fighting 2445 01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:58,080 gunplay goes is that it's a guy who's never picked one up in his 2446 01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,160 life. The character, the actors taught 2447 01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:02,280 you a fear with him, and that's really good physical acting, I 2448 01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:05,320 think you know. I'm super interested to see what 2449 01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:08,040 Jamie Foxx's weapon handling will be like in the Miami Vice 2450 01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:09,640 film that he would do two years after this. 2451 01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:11,800 Awesome man. I bet it's incredibly slick. 2452 01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:14,240 I've been holding off watching it until we did the pod so I 2453 01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:15,640 can't remember anything about it really. 2454 01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:19,600 Did did he catch 1? Tom Cruise doesn't get brass 2455 01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:21,600 check with the slide and that just before he goes and shoots 2456 01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:23,520 the first guy. I really love that. 2457 01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:26,600 As I said, that's like Tom Cruise is a guy who handles 2458 01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:30,880 weapons really well on film. It's it's really believable. 2459 01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:32,640 I love that. And it's like, yeah, part was a 2460 01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:35,720 go over and Rory thinks guns are really cool and he was dropped 2461 01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:38,880 on his head as a child. But also, it's like a lot of it 2462 01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,480 does really kind of like make the difference in how believable 2463 01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:45,040 the film is and like the the craft actors put into it. 2464 01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:48,560 And like you said, the shades of storytelling that go and the how 2465 01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:51,360 people handle equipment, much like with any other item of 2466 01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,080 equipment. You know, if I was if I was a 2467 01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:55,800 car nerd and 10 times cooler, I'd be staying. 2468 01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:58,280 Oh, hey, you know, you can tell the way this guy drives. 2469 01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:00,280 Is that kind of really important to character? 2470 02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:04,680 Yeah. I think it's worth saying at 2471 02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:08,040 this point that Tom Cruise and like another good example, Keanu 2472 02:00:08,040 --> 02:00:08,800 Reeves. Yeah. 2473 02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:11,560 OK. Like these are guys who have 2474 02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:12,960 been. Yeah, they're actors. 2475 02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:16,000 Yeah, but they've been doing flight training, they've been 2476 02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,880 doing fitness training, been in weapons training sometimes for 2477 02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:22,800 months and months and months on end over the course of the last 2478 02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:25,840 like two or three decades. Like so when you think when you 2479 02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,840 level them against like an operator in the military, for 2480 02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:29,360 example. So people always go like, oh, 2481 02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:30,360 they haven't got any credibility. 2482 02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:31,360 It's not like going to the military. 2483 02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:35,000 Well, they're not. But but if you think about like, 2484 02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:39,360 what, the average working day of a soldier in the British Army, 2485 02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:41,520 Yeah. You know, like they are not on 2486 02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:44,440 stagger all the time. Yeah, they are not in fields of 2487 02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:46,840 combat all the time. They're not like, you know, 2488 02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:49,960 they're not like SF operators currently operate a constant 2489 02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:51,520 operating out of a threat or whatever. 2490 02:00:51,640 --> 02:00:54,480 Yeah, they are in a barracks somewhere. 2491 02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:57,920 They might do agree exercise that's three weeks long, maybe 2492 02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:00,880 once a year, maybe once every six months, you know, as well as 2493 02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:03,840 any other millions of different jobs you've got on top of what 2494 02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:05,280 you're doing. It's not just running on with 2495 02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:07,720 guns all the time. So when people talk about like 2496 02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,800 like Tom Cruise, Anna Reeves, like any of your big action 2497 02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:14,600 stars that have that have got like credibility for doing a lot 2498 02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:18,720 of weapon handling themselves, you know, if they're as skilled 2499 02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,560 as anybody else. I was hasten to say that actors 2500 02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:24,520 like Tom Cruise who didn't work with Michael Mad fuck Hilmer, 2501 02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:26,960 they all use live ammunition. They've done a shit tonne of 2502 02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:29,760 stuff on range of live ammunition and they did like CQB 2503 02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:31,480 training with the live ammunition Rangers. 2504 02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:33,280 You've seen that footage of Kenner Reeves like. 2505 02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:36,240 Yeah, but he's doing like, I think it's like. 2506 02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:38,760 CQB kind of thing. Yeah, it's crazy. 2507 02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:40,720 It's amazing. And I mean when he's when he's 2508 02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:43,200 like being because he's because there's Halle Berry following 2509 02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:46,520 him around, right. And like she's like, Oh my God, 2510 02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:48,440 yeah, you got a record timers ago. 2511 02:01:48,440 --> 02:01:51,040 But I hit two of the plates out sequence like he's our guy. 2512 02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:53,600 He's our guy. But no, he's great. 2513 02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:56,240 Like, like these guys are incredibly good at the craft. 2514 02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:58,640 And I think it's mint. I also, as I said, I love like 2515 02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:01,600 just that incredibly chunky laser pointer that's on one of 2516 02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:04,600 the cartel guys pistols. That's like such intersection 2517 02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:08,560 between it's the intersection between the 90s and the 2000s 2518 02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:12,280 when laser pointers are still fucking huge, when like people 2519 02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:15,760 that people as people, they're still preferring like 9 2520 02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,440 millimetre for like the effects of machine gun kind of shit, not 2521 02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:21,600 going back the short barrel of fifteens, you know, like it's, 2522 02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:24,560 it's an interesting time. Cool. 2523 02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,320 That was our first ever weapons free, right? 2524 02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:31,960 I'm going to take it down into a slightly less lethal area. 2525 02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:35,920 Now it's about needle drops. So this movie, right. 2526 02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:38,200 So one of the criticisms I've seen for this film is that the 2527 02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:40,920 music dates it and takes you out of the experience a little bit. 2528 02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:43,560 And it does. I think that's a element of 2529 02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:45,960 truth in that. I think some of the tracks that 2530 02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:48,920 kind of Thunder in on the soundtrack do take you out of 2531 02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:50,280 the moments the music is creating. 2532 02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,720 James Newton Howard I think that the the the the original score, 2533 02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:57,840 great composer did I think I haven't checked this, so I might 2534 02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,320 be wrong, but I think you did the score for Nightcrawler as 2535 02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:04,000 well. Another amazing LA that night, 2536 02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:06,720 the night in the city is a different character movie. 2537 02:03:06,840 --> 02:03:08,880 Great. Some of the Neil jobs in this 2538 02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:10,520 movie, I think do take out the action a little bit. 2539 02:03:10,520 --> 02:03:13,320 They also fury date it in the period that it's in how that we 2540 02:03:13,320 --> 02:03:16,920 discussed at the pod that I think and you think as well that 2541 02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:21,440 the timing of this movie and the technology available to the 2542 02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,080 people is crucial for how the movie. 2543 02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:24,880 Works, definitely. I mean, it's, I mean, it's 2544 02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:27,160 essentially a period film at this point, like looking back at 2545 02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:28,680 it. Yeah, big time. 2546 02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:30,360 And the music, the music bears that. 2547 02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:33,560 So we've got, we've got stuff like the C 2.0 by The Roots. 2548 02:03:33,560 --> 02:03:36,520 Yeah, we've we've got, we've got, we've got a bit of Groove 2549 02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:41,400 Armada at the time, you know, we've got, we've got that weird 2550 02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:45,000 electronic stroke jazzy version of Air on AG Stream by you on 2551 02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:46,080 Sebastian Bach. Weird. 2552 02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:48,280 I like that. It's during the jazz sequence. 2553 02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:50,240 We've got Spanish Key by Miles Davis. 2554 02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:51,920 Brilliant. Absolutely fantastic. 2555 02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:55,480 Yeah, right. Another great composer here who 2556 02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:57,920 has done many a film score of their own, but is here as a 2557 02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:00,760 needle drop. Gustavo Santuala with Agatsu, 2558 02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:04,920 fantastic guitarist, did the music for latterly The Last of 2559 02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:07,760 Us TV series. But but incredible films. 2560 02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:11,520 Amoros, Peros, The Moot, Cycle Diaries, shake of our movie. 2561 02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:14,120 Yeah, he's he's great. Where's my big one? 2562 02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:16,400 There's a whole bunch of them here, right. 2563 02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:18,320 Obviously Shadow on the Sun by your duo slave. 2564 02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:21,240 We've talked about that already. That appears in the movie twice, 2565 02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:22,800 actually. Did you catch a second time? 2566 02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,800 Yes, because there's like a reprise, isn't there? 2567 02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:28,680 Like a reprises and as before, he does the go fuck yourself and 2568 02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:29,320 crashes. Yeah. 2569 02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:31,920 Exactly. So you have like the the initial 2570 02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,800 breaking of his brain at the coyotes and then that breaking 2571 02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:37,720 his brain comes back in actual action and it's hinted out by 2572 02:04:37,720 --> 02:04:38,480 the music. Yeah. 2573 02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:40,880 And then? Finally, tell you which track I 2574 02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,560 really like. Sorry is the track when when 2575 02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:50,560 Fanning first appears and the and song Rolling Crumbling by 2576 02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:51,960 Tom Rothrock plays. Oh. 2577 02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:53,520 Yeah, there's two Tom Roth rocks in this. 2578 02:04:53,560 --> 02:04:55,280 Yeah. Yeah, it is. 2579 02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:58,960 It is got absolute swagger. It instantly takes me back to 2580 02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:06,040 like there was that kind of specific sound of some bands at 2581 02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:09,800 the time. Like it reminds us of the song 2582 02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:12,160 North American Scum by LCD Sound System. 2583 02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:16,280 It's that like that tight little kind like like guitar riff. 2584 02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:21,040 But I've just seen now someone comment that quote and quote is 2585 02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:25,160 exactly Going out West by Tom Waits. 2586 02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:28,920 Holy crap. I mean, yeah, it kind of is. 2587 02:05:28,920 --> 02:05:32,680 But it's got like that kind of like early thousands, like 2588 02:05:32,680 --> 02:05:37,960 swaggery, kind of. It's just it's just a vibe that 2589 02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:43,440 doesn't fucking exist anymore. It's 2007, I'm listening to the 2590 02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:45,840 Icarus line. I'm looking on the Buddy Head 2591 02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:50,440 website for its updates on scams you can pull on like Dr Throughs 2592 02:05:50,440 --> 02:05:53,680 and stuff like that. This music of a very specific 2593 02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:59,640 camera that's fucking playing everywhere and like it just, it 2594 02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:03,600 just captures moments to capture sounds and the captures feelings 2595 02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:07,760 that have gone and won't come back again. 2596 02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:15,040 The film is a perfect ship in a bottle of the early to mid 2000s 2597 02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:17,520 I think. Yeah, yeah, big time. 2598 02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:21,720 Musically, musically, that really, really drives it home. 2599 02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:27,720 Yeah, The only track that I don't particularly like is you 2600 02:06:27,720 --> 02:06:30,480 mentioned it already, Ready, Steady Go, Korean style by Polok 2601 02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:33,440 and Fulton, Andy Grey, which plays during the fever club 2602 02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:36,240 sequence, which gives me big like Bourne Movie Energy. 2603 02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:41,000 Yeah, where it is not welcome. It should be like a Crimea, just 2604 02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:44,120 a thumping. Yeah, less to scripts, less of a 2605 02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:47,520 well known tune piece of music. It should just I don't believe a 2606 02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:51,600 bunch of cool people in LA in 2004 dancing to ready set ego 2607 02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:54,520 Korean style like like that in such a high end place. 2608 02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:56,880 It just seems like. The dancing is something we had. 2609 02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:59,240 The dancing is something like really weird, like obscure remix 2610 02:06:59,240 --> 02:07:04,160 of something that was. I would have liked yeah, yeah, 2611 02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:07,120 only a few years after this, like a new form of EDM would 2612 02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:11,400 come in and trash all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2613 02:07:11,520 --> 02:07:13,920 That's only sticks up for me. That gives me very specific 2614 02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:18,360 memories of, of going to the gym in like 2010, 2011 with that on 2615 02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:22,080 my running playlist, along with like extreme ways by Moby and 2616 02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:27,200 like, like all my and all my friends and and and Daft Punk is 2617 02:07:27,200 --> 02:07:29,520 playing at my house by our CD sound system and yeah, sure like 2618 02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:30,440 that. Kid you kid you. 2619 02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:32,840 Can you imagine the effect? They're just like dug in like 2620 02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:34,800 stuff. It was like kind of big, big, 2621 02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:37,880 big and like the zeitgeist at the time, like fucking harmar 2622 02:07:37,880 --> 02:07:41,760 superstar or something like that, or or Peaches like like 2623 02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:44,160 the walk in it is just blasting fuck the pain away. 2624 02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:45,880 That would actually kind of fucking cool. 2625 02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:51,640 Just got this mental image now of of like just tom-tom Cruise, 2626 02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:54,000 like kicking someone to death. But it's like what else is in 2627 02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:59,800 the teachers of Peaches sex on. Yeah, that would actually be 2628 02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:03,320 wild, to be honest. Even if like something a bit 9 2629 02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:05,400 inch nails have been on. Yeah, yeah, you. 2630 02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:10,040 Know just something a bit like loud and aggressive not a 2631 02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:14,200 pleasant happy club scene, but awful horrible but like not like 2632 02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:16,760 something that you could feasibly see on a sports channel 2633 02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:17,960 like. Yeah. 2634 02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:23,480 A piece of music is that I could I could be hearing over like a 2635 02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:27,280 highlight reel of free kicks on much, much of the day. 2636 02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:31,880 Like Michael? My goal, he's going to felt like 2637 02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:36,600 a traction engine that. Was liquid fool looking out? 2638 02:08:37,600 --> 02:08:39,840 Oh my God. What would have been in the He's 2639 02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:42,080 the Lightning seeds life of Riley I was. 2640 02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:45,480 Like Republica? Republica, I'm ready to go. 2641 02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:47,680 You've been. It would literally have been 2642 02:08:47,680 --> 02:08:48,360 Republican. It would. 2643 02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:50,880 Have been Republican. In fact, wasn't Republican or 2644 02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:53,760 not the STEM publica Soccer Saturday on Sky on. 2645 02:08:53,840 --> 02:08:57,680 Saturday and they also did the music for a football. 2646 02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:01,840 Really to have WAG centric soap opera I think of. 2647 02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:02,880 Course it did. What? 2648 02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:05,600 Footballers Wives is me. Boston footballers wives would 2649 02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:07,360 hold on. This whole office is going on 2650 02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:09,600 fucking lockdown. We'll find out which TV show 2651 02:09:09,680 --> 02:09:13,400 that was. Republic TV show soundtrack. 2652 02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:17,160 It was you. It was you. 2653 02:09:17,320 --> 02:09:18,800 It was you. I might cut this. 2654 02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:22,160 Hold on it, it was. It's so ready to go, right? 2655 02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:25,000 Was used frequently in the British children's football 2656 02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:28,680 drama series Rendford Rejects Rendford. 2657 02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:31,960 Rendford rejects which is, which is themed. 2658 02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:34,000 She was Australia by. Australia. 2659 02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:38,560 Yeah, what absolute banger. Great. 2660 02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:40,160 I must have loved Redford Rejects. 2661 02:09:40,280 --> 02:09:42,920 Do you know that the guy who plays like the posh English 2662 02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:45,240 manager because he had like a foot injury and couldn't play 2663 02:09:45,240 --> 02:09:47,360 for the team anymore. That guy who who's like, 2664 02:09:47,360 --> 02:09:49,400 obviously like one of the kids but was also the manager to cut 2665 02:09:49,400 --> 02:09:51,400 around with a blazer on is in The Dark Knight. 2666 02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:55,120 What? There you go, there's a pulp 2667 02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:59,600 drop that boom boom Redford rejects in a Christopher Nolan 2668 02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:04,200 movie. What is this also over episode? 2669 02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:05,920 There you go. Right. 2670 02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:07,680 I was going to cut all that, but we're keeping it in keep. 2671 02:10:08,280 --> 02:10:09,720 It. In, keep it in, it's in. 2672 02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:14,160 Keep it in. Right, dude, I'm going to reduce 2673 02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:17,400 the number of these questions I asked because it was getting a 2674 02:10:17,400 --> 02:10:19,400 bit, it was getting a bit much, but I'm going to ask you to 2675 02:10:20,440 --> 02:10:22,520 would Colombo make this movie better? 2676 02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:27,400 Would Peter Falk is a is a little scrungly old man improve 2677 02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:30,400 this movie somewhat? Peter Falcon's scrungly old man 2678 02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:34,800 mode would. Let's say you would have been 2679 02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:39,320 good as the main FBI agent, I think, yeah. 2680 02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:40,440 You would be. That's right. 2681 02:10:40,440 --> 02:10:42,720 Yeah, that's right. So in the in the person McGill. 2682 02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:50,360 100 percent, 100% Just like I couldn't I couldn't imagine him 2683 02:10:50,360 --> 02:10:53,160 being like an LAPD detective who gets night shifts because at 2684 02:10:53,160 --> 02:10:55,840 this point in in his career in life, he's too cool. 2685 02:10:56,120 --> 02:10:58,400 Paedophiles not playing a guy gets a shitty night shift I. 2686 02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:01,200 Would I would say he gets to the point where he's like over the 2687 02:11:01,200 --> 02:11:03,440 hill, Bosch mentioned. There's 2 characters. 2688 02:11:03,560 --> 02:11:06,520 There's 2 characters in that called crate&barrel who are like 2689 02:11:06,520 --> 02:11:09,000 the old over the hill, like old retired guys. 2690 02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,400 But they've been in the force for like 30-5 years and every 2691 02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:14,240 night and like, and every season they'll like to pull off 1 2692 02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:16,280 amazing thing. Like they'll find one crucial 2693 02:11:16,280 --> 02:11:17,680 piece of evidence because they've done like the hard 2694 02:11:17,680 --> 02:11:19,480 yards. I have to start watching Bosch. 2695 02:11:20,120 --> 02:11:23,880 It's like the Scullion. Fucking what's Scullion? 2696 02:11:24,200 --> 02:11:27,560 That guy from Brooklyn. Brooklyn 9, Yeah. 2697 02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:29,520 I'm a boy Scullion. Get in. 2698 02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:33,000 Do you love Bosch? Man, Bosch is so good. 2699 02:11:34,280 --> 02:11:37,080 Okay, crimes grocery list, new category. 2700 02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:42,440 What it means is like Jack Ryan's grocery list, which isn't 2701 02:11:42,440 --> 02:11:43,560 a thing in any movies, I don't think. 2702 02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:48,120 But the concept is an oddly mundane human moment in the 2703 02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:51,480 middle of the chaos. So despite this crazy situation 2704 02:11:51,480 --> 02:11:53,800 that's going on, what's the little bit of normality that 2705 02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:56,080 happens that reminds us that this is all happening in some 2706 02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:58,600 kind of version of a real world? So what sort of like kind of 2707 02:11:58,600 --> 02:12:02,240 anchors to like to like reality and big and it kind of humanises 2708 02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:08,840 that is interesting. I think for me a little nice 2709 02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:13,320 touch that I liked is the fate of Max's sandwich after the 2710 02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:16,960 after the guy lands on the roof, then it gets destroyed and the S 2711 02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:18,560 is just and he gets pulled over by the cops. 2712 02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:20,560 You see the state of the sandwich all over the. 2713 02:12:21,480 --> 02:12:24,880 Yeah, Oh my God, I like, how would the cops give him shit for 2714 02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:27,680 it as well? Like, like, like he's such a 2715 02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:30,080 fastidious guy and all of a sudden his world's turned upside 2716 02:12:30,080 --> 02:12:33,800 down and now, now the police are bullying him for his messy car 2717 02:12:34,120 --> 02:12:38,240 and his sandwich issues. I think that's definitely it 2718 02:12:38,240 --> 02:12:42,600 more than more than the whole I'm going to go to Fuji and 2719 02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:46,040 raise cats thing with his, with his like fucking island limos. 2720 02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:49,000 Yeah, yeah. Dream the thing really humanises 2721 02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:52,000 him is is it's right it's like the thing that really ties that 2722 02:12:52,120 --> 02:12:56,120 reality is that just it's that fucking sandwich man because. 2723 02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:59,680 He tries to eat it. Yeah, during the first hit, yeah 2724 02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:02,200 as well. That is sad. 2725 02:13:02,200 --> 02:13:03,960 That is sad. I think you've got it there, 2726 02:13:03,960 --> 02:13:07,160 definitely. Next category VHS and the mess 2727 02:13:07,160 --> 02:13:11,480 chess and the mess so with with this movie I've done well in in 2728 02:13:11,480 --> 02:13:14,080 the mess on board. I've got to say yes big time 2729 02:13:14,200 --> 02:13:17,200 yeah, this this is this is a great movie to caveat this or to 2730 02:13:17,200 --> 02:13:20,680 explain it to people who might not know what I mean so on His 2731 02:13:20,680 --> 02:13:23,400 Majesty ships of war, the junior rates, senior rates and officers 2732 02:13:23,400 --> 02:13:25,800 each have a a mess the officers one is called the wardrobe. 2733 02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:29,000 And very often they have, I'm not saying that every single one 2734 02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:31,400 of them has a television in which people can plug in hard 2735 02:13:31,400 --> 02:13:32,960 drives and all that kind of good jazz. 2736 02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:37,840 And it's not unusual on a period of operations, especially the 2737 02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:41,000 ship is in like State 2. So your defence watches doing 6 2738 02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:44,200 hours on, six hours off where not everybody gets to watch the 2739 02:13:44,200 --> 02:13:45,920 same stuff at the same time. Because people are wondering in 2740 02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:49,360 and wondering out to find the same movie playing over and over 2741 02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:52,800 again at different times of the day over the course of a couple 2742 02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:55,480 of, over a couple of a course of a couple of days until 2743 02:13:55,480 --> 02:14:01,120 everyone's seen it basically. And I did a department in 2016 2744 02:14:01,120 --> 02:14:04,600 on HS Portland where I think I watched The Fast and the Furious 2745 02:14:04,600 --> 02:14:08,480 and the Fast and Furious Tokyo Drift about four times over the 2746 02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:10,520 course of like one week because it was just always on in the 2747 02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:14,720 mess symbols. And so would this be one of 2748 02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:16,640 those kind of movies that would get played in the mess like 20 2749 02:14:16,640 --> 02:14:20,000 times until everyone's seen it? Yes, because it bangs is my 2750 02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:23,040 answer. I mean just for new listeners 2751 02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:25,520 and stuff are really able to qualify and qualify to answer 2752 02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:28,640 this question because I'm the token civilian that make and 2753 02:14:28,640 --> 02:14:32,120 Sonya won in a card game. The next episode I have when 2754 02:14:32,120 --> 02:14:35,520 Sonya's back online with us will be more like back and forth. 2755 02:14:35,520 --> 02:14:37,720 I think about whether or not this would have gone down well 2756 02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:39,480 in the mess. It's interesting because the 2757 02:14:39,480 --> 02:14:43,080 next film people are aware now that we're doing Manhunt and 2758 02:14:43,080 --> 02:14:45,120 next. So that would be an interesting 2759 02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:47,680 one to debate whether that absolutely. 2760 02:14:48,520 --> 02:14:51,560 Yeah, it's an interesting. One wild film would go on well 2761 02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:53,960 in in the mess among the fighting men and women of your 2762 02:14:53,960 --> 02:14:56,040 nations so. The elements that you've got to 2763 02:14:56,040 --> 02:14:58,280 bear in mind are it's blockbusters, right? 2764 02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:01,800 So it's wide appeal, OK. It's blockbuster bankability. 2765 02:15:02,120 --> 02:15:05,280 It's how readily available available is that film going to 2766 02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:07,200 be on someone's hard drive? Quite likely. 2767 02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:09,080 And is it is it just a bit fucking weird? 2768 02:15:09,120 --> 02:15:11,360 And what I found is films that are just a little bit fucking 2769 02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:12,920 weird generally don't play as well. 2770 02:15:13,080 --> 02:15:15,000 So it's a weird one. It's not as simple as is the 2771 02:15:15,000 --> 02:15:17,160 movie good or not? So like, there are lots of 2772 02:15:17,160 --> 02:15:18,920 movies that I think are brilliant, but might not 2773 02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:20,880 necessarily find themselves being played on a wardroom hard 2774 02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:23,160 drive. And yet weirdly, Ironclad would 2775 02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:25,400 probably do really well for a week, you know? 2776 02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:29,920 So just stray bolt to poor old Ironclad there. 2777 02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:34,280 But yeah, but what the fuck is that film anyway, right? 2778 02:15:36,360 --> 02:15:39,680 Next category, I'm going to call this the the PS2 Tie in Game 2779 02:15:39,680 --> 02:15:44,200 award. If this movie had a tie in video 2780 02:15:44,200 --> 02:15:47,600 game, not necessarily for the PS2, what kind of movie would 2781 02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:48,720 it? What kind of game would it be? 2782 02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:51,880 And conversely, if we're doing a movie that did have a tying 2783 02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:53,480 game, like what should it have been? 2784 02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:58,520 Yeah, yeah. I mean, part of us wants to see 2785 02:15:58,520 --> 02:16:03,680 a kind of a Crazy Taxi type game, but I don't know how much 2786 02:16:03,680 --> 02:16:07,240 you could kind of spin out. I mean, that's because I mean, 2787 02:16:07,480 --> 02:16:10,320 Crazy Taxis obviously is very fun, light hearted kind of game. 2788 02:16:10,360 --> 02:16:13,400 Get ready to make some crazy money and then get ready to 2789 02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:15,840 drive a great head sociopath around them. 2790 02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:20,360 Kill someone. I mean, it is kind of it is that 2791 02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:23,360 kind of like the same GTA mission over and over again 2792 02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:26,640 really, isn't it? It's it's just one GC. 2793 02:16:26,640 --> 02:16:28,920 It's like GTA5 mission. So. 2794 02:16:29,120 --> 02:16:32,080 I'm thinking, well, San Andreas. It would come out as one of 2795 02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:36,600 those like kind of GTA ish games. 2796 02:16:36,600 --> 02:16:38,559 In fact I'll tell you the perfect analogue. 2797 02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:41,440 True crime Streets of LA, except with less I. 2798 02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:42,240 Thought you're going to say that? 2799 02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,360 Yeah, it'll be like. The crime streets of LA, but 2800 02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:48,680 with less content. Yeah, man, yeah, that's awesome. 2801 02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:51,280 And then like rush hour 2 would be like sleeping dogs. 2802 02:16:51,520 --> 02:16:53,160 Rush hour 2 would be totally sleeping dogs. 2803 02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:55,639 Holy crap on. I'm excited about this new 2804 02:16:55,639 --> 02:16:57,240 category. This is going to be fun. 2805 02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:01,280 Yeah, man, So if if it wasn't like a Crazy Taxi or GTA for me, 2806 02:17:01,559 --> 02:17:04,480 I think the next best one, I don't write the movie takes 2807 02:17:04,480 --> 02:17:06,959 place from Max's point of view. OK, That's who we're seeing as 2808 02:17:06,959 --> 02:17:08,799 well through. So if it was, if it was evil 2809 02:17:08,799 --> 02:17:10,719 way, it was Vincent, then. Yeah. 2810 02:17:10,719 --> 02:17:12,120 This is a series of hitline missions. 2811 02:17:12,360 --> 02:17:15,480 And then your and then, and then and then your exit point is the 2812 02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:18,080 cab, right. And then, then, then a cutscene 2813 02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:20,920 happens and the cab's in a slightly different state. 2814 02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:23,080 And then the mission changes and you've got like Diana Burnwood 2815 02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:27,959 going like, hello, Agent 47. Hello, Agent Vincent, your 2816 02:17:27,959 --> 02:17:32,240 target is Peter Lynn in the fever club in South Central, you 2817 02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:36,240 know and like but watch out because Felix Rez Torrena has 2818 02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:39,600 sent his hit men also to hit you and the target. 2819 02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:42,799 What kind of shit? But but where Max right. 2820 02:17:42,799 --> 02:17:47,040 So I think if it's not exactly Crazy Taxi, it's the next best 2821 02:17:47,040 --> 02:17:49,080 thing, right? Which is the music video for 2822 02:17:49,080 --> 02:17:51,040 California, for Californication. But I'm really sure you've. 2823 02:17:51,160 --> 02:17:53,480 Got a tour which is. Which is which is not really 2824 02:17:53,480 --> 02:17:58,280 crazy sexy, but it's also like SXX snowboarding and also like 2825 02:17:58,280 --> 02:18:01,879 The Simpsons hit and run. Yeah, and with a bit of a bit of 2826 02:18:01,879 --> 02:18:03,799 a bit of a bit of Sonic adventure thrown in there a. 2827 02:18:03,959 --> 02:18:07,320 Sonic adventure of some kind of magic magic carpet bullshit. 2828 02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:12,959 Tell you what, a game based on like Detective Fanning's end of 2829 02:18:12,959 --> 02:18:18,080 it would be like a really fucking bleak, like a third 2830 02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:21,480 person RPG or even a really bleak like point and click RPG 2831 02:18:21,480 --> 02:18:24,080 kind of thing, I think. Yeah, yeah. 2832 02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:27,680 Like like just some something beard with like the scrum 2833 02:18:27,680 --> 02:18:29,639 engine, like they have the tentacle or whatever, but like 2834 02:18:30,680 --> 02:18:32,959 but like but like not with a cutesy graphics and just like 2835 02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:36,480 downbeat, downbeat Elliot kind of visuals. 2836 02:18:37,240 --> 02:18:41,520 Yeah, or it's like a top down. It's a Hotline Miami. 2837 02:18:41,639 --> 02:18:43,520 Yes. Oh, Grimm. 2838 02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:47,280 Yeah, yeah, good category. I'm going to keep that the next 2839 02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:51,760 one, the Ding Chavez Award for missed opportunity of the movie. 2840 02:18:52,959 --> 02:18:55,240 Dude, there's not a lot left on the table in this movie. 2841 02:18:55,559 --> 02:18:58,600 I've agreed with all the major choices that that Michael Mann 2842 02:18:58,600 --> 02:19:00,280 is is made in this, in this film, Yeah. 2843 02:19:00,760 --> 02:19:04,360 Yeah. It's decision to obfuscate the 2844 02:19:04,799 --> 02:19:07,879 the grand jury indictment. So we don't, we don't really 2845 02:19:07,879 --> 02:19:11,200 know what it's for. It's about it's just some 2846 02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:13,520 amorphous organised crime. Yeah. 2847 02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:17,600 We don't know why the FBI have been a bit negligent. 2848 02:19:17,840 --> 02:19:20,799 We don't really know why or where the the surveillance 2849 02:19:20,799 --> 02:19:23,400 operation that's brought together all the information for 2850 02:19:23,400 --> 02:19:25,760 the targets has come from. Like it's just, it's all. 2851 02:19:25,799 --> 02:19:29,160 I like that about it. Yeah, but doesn't really miss 2852 02:19:29,160 --> 02:19:32,680 out on any opportunities, even unlike the kind of bit part 2853 02:19:32,680 --> 02:19:35,840 characters who were there just to give a small amount of 2854 02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:39,160 exposition or explanation. People like the guy, the morgue, 2855 02:19:39,160 --> 02:19:41,480 stuff like that. It's like even though the belly 2856 02:19:41,480 --> 02:19:44,480 used the used for like the perfect amount of time, 2857 02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:47,799 everything's in proportion. I can mean what could have had a 2858 02:19:47,799 --> 02:19:52,200 scene when the Mortuary guy who was kind of who was portrayed in 2859 02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:54,200 a kind of disguise a bit, we had kind of fashion. 2860 02:19:54,360 --> 02:19:56,160 We could have had another scene about the most are doing more. 2861 02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,880 We had more tree guy stuff, but it wasn't necessary. 2862 02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:01,440 So we didn't get it. And and that's just fine. 2863 02:20:01,440 --> 02:20:04,200 That's just fine because that's his that's his excellent way of 2864 02:20:04,200 --> 02:20:06,800 storytelling. So missed opportunities. 2865 02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:10,960 Not many at all that I can think. 2866 02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:13,960 Yeah, the only thing right. If I was going to do a stupid 2867 02:20:13,960 --> 02:20:17,840 answer, I would say because of what was going on at the same 2868 02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:19,760 time in her career. There's an opportunity here 2869 02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:23,080 where Jill Pinkett Smith, who was also naive in the Matrix 2870 02:20:23,080 --> 02:20:26,640 Reloaders in remissions, could have done some kind of like 2871 02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:32,800 amazing, kind of weird karate kids kind of kick to momentarily 2872 02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:34,880 distract to Vincent at the end of the movie. 2873 02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:37,320 But that's obviously like a stupid answer. 2874 02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:40,280 Otherwise, I don't think there's anything this is this is one of 2875 02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:42,480 the best movies we've done. Yeah, yeah, a lot of people in 2876 02:20:42,480 --> 02:20:45,920 reviews I've seen of it have have said like, where are the 2877 02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:50,240 police after the after the guys are initially waved off by the 2878 02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,360 shots fired. You could say there was a missed 2879 02:20:52,360 --> 02:20:54,960 opportunity for the police to be chased, not for them, but then 2880 02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:58,400 it ruins the film and it and it just like in the point is, the 2881 02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:02,560 point is the film's like lack of police interaction with them is 2882 02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:04,920 because it underlines that Ellie is a fucking dangerous, 2883 02:21:04,920 --> 02:21:06,680 heartless city where there's it's not going to be a place 2884 02:21:06,680 --> 02:21:10,000 from every corner for you. You know, that's the thing, like 2885 02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:11,960 mean the they're looking out for the road in this one. 2886 02:21:11,960 --> 02:21:14,000 There's been shots fired, some every cars in attendance. 2887 02:21:14,160 --> 02:21:17,560 It supports like the the fable like idea that they're having a 2888 02:21:17,560 --> 02:21:20,400 descent into like a long dark night, the soul kind of thing 2889 02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:21,840 for each of them as well. Yeah. 2890 02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:25,520 It's passed through a veil into a gauntlet of like who they 2891 02:21:25,880 --> 02:21:27,880 where they're getting distilled or trial by fire. 2892 02:21:27,880 --> 02:21:30,000 Who are they really when they get when they get down to it. 2893 02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:31,800 Yeah. And they're fighting for their 2894 02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:32,560 lives. And then that's how. 2895 02:21:32,760 --> 02:21:33,720 And then the end. Yeah. 2896 02:21:33,880 --> 02:21:36,240 By literally doing that. It's it's, it's too new guy 2897 02:21:36,440 --> 02:21:38,760 being like put through the absolute ringer, yeah. 2898 02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:41,600 And then for me it works that it's slightly unreal and that 2899 02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:43,400 there are little things like that taken away like. 2900 02:21:43,720 --> 02:21:46,240 Yeah. Any superfluous external 2901 02:21:46,240 --> 02:21:49,040 influence is completely gone. Even the weather is completely 2902 02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:50,680 neutral. It doesn't rain, it's not wet on 2903 02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:52,160 the streets, you see necessarily. 2904 02:21:52,200 --> 02:21:53,520 See wind? You see? 2905 02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:57,400 Yeah, blowing, blowing the palm trees. 2906 02:21:57,400 --> 02:21:58,840 But it's LA. It's a hot and dry, right? 2907 02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:00,760 I mean, that's that's that's that's what I'm told. 2908 02:22:00,760 --> 02:22:02,400 It's a hot and dry, hot and dry, hot and sunny. 2909 02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:06,240 There's no, there's no other. There's a real lack of external. 2910 02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:08,680 Factors, yeah, it's just I guess because it's that. 2911 02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:10,720 Isn't that isn't there for the mission, you know? 2912 02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:13,520 Yeah, I guess because it's a city at night, Night city, if 2913 02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:14,440 you will. Sorry. 2914 02:22:14,440 --> 02:22:18,000 It's like like like it's, it's a city in that special kind of 2915 02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,800 night time. You know, it's not just a city 2916 02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:24,320 when the sun's gone down. It's a city at a special kind of 2917 02:22:24,320 --> 02:22:27,880 like, you know what I'm going to, I'm going to quote a song 2918 02:22:27,880 --> 02:22:31,440 about LA by the Distillers. It's a ghost town, rabbit 2919 02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:35,040 underworld, DNDC and night, vitriolic twilight. 2920 02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:37,680 And I just love like this DNDC and night of the city. 2921 02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:39,600 It's like, it's like a twilight of the gods. 2922 02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:43,280 It's like this weird, like kind of kind of holy yet unholy, 2923 02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:46,280 primitive, primal, spiritual. Yeah. 2924 02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:54,560 Final Final category Is this movie pro or anti the Central 2925 02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:57,040 Intelligence Agency? Well, how more? 2926 02:22:57,080 --> 02:22:58,040 Explicit. Yeah. 2927 02:22:58,040 --> 02:22:59,320 Haven't thought about what you've said. 2928 02:22:59,320 --> 02:23:03,160 When you said that you kind of inferred from it that Vincent's 2929 02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:06,600 done this shit not just for six years, he's done the shit 2930 02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:08,320 previously. And when I was looking to 2931 02:23:08,320 --> 02:23:10,480 quotes, he does say six years private sector. 2932 02:23:11,280 --> 02:23:11,840 Exactly. Yeah. 2933 02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:13,800 What was he doing in the public sector? 2934 02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:16,520 Well, I mean, it's well, I mean, it's a public sector or it's 2935 02:23:17,160 --> 02:23:20,040 just freelance criminal shit. So it's so it's more likely I 2936 02:23:20,040 --> 02:23:23,200 think going to be public sector because he's he's incredibly 2937 02:23:23,560 --> 02:23:29,640 adept and weapons handling when he compares fighting abilities 2938 02:23:29,640 --> 02:23:31,720 to the large. So the ISIS and the ally, 2939 02:23:32,880 --> 02:23:36,480 they're not private sector. He's done a hand to hand as 2940 02:23:36,480 --> 02:23:38,040 well. Yeah, yeah. 2941 02:23:38,440 --> 02:23:40,480 It's his film pro around ICIA though. 2942 02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:43,440 I mean. I suppose it's indifferent to 2943 02:23:43,560 --> 02:23:46,960 specifically the CIA. I think there's a commentary on 2944 02:23:46,960 --> 02:23:48,480 the federal government. Yeah. 2945 02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:50,920 And that the FBI is shown to be incompetent. 2946 02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:55,160 Yeah, and neglectful. And I think it's also an 2947 02:23:55,160 --> 02:23:58,960 indication that what Felix alludes to where the initial 2948 02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:01,680 source of the very expensive surveillance operation and 2949 02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:03,600 intelligence gathering operations that took place to 2950 02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:05,440 get the information on the targets that he has. 2951 02:24:05,880 --> 02:24:09,960 It applies to me that they've got into some federal stuff. 2952 02:24:09,960 --> 02:24:13,640 Now whether or not that's through some very expensive 2953 02:24:13,640 --> 02:24:18,040 theft, which Inc or that's some corruption that's occurred maybe 2954 02:24:18,040 --> 02:24:20,880 makes me doesn't paint the federal government in an 2955 02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:22,440 unfavourable life. It doesn't paint the federal 2956 02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:25,680 government well and I think previously we have put that down 2957 02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:28,320 to the anti CIA. Is that correct? 2958 02:24:28,440 --> 02:24:30,120 Yeah, I think we have. Yeah. 2959 02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:33,080 So scores on the doors that then if we're going to go this for 2960 02:24:33,080 --> 02:24:35,640 Auntie, I think it's eight against 3. 2961 02:24:35,640 --> 02:24:37,800 Pro. It'll change soon. 2962 02:24:37,800 --> 02:24:39,280 We've got some Tom plans to come. 2963 02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:42,320 In we have Jax Ryan coming up indeed. 2964 02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:44,320 So yes. Indeed we had That's a good 2965 02:24:44,320 --> 02:24:45,960 segue. That brings us to the end of 2966 02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:48,480 season 2, episode 1 of clear and present dudes. 2967 02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:50,160 I've been Mike, we've had Rory here. 2968 02:24:50,400 --> 02:24:54,360 Coming up next, we've got our Michael Manuri continuing with 2969 02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:57,440 the next episode of being Manhunter at the 1986 film, 2970 02:24:57,480 --> 02:24:59,760 which introduces the world to Hannibal Lecter. 2971 02:25:00,680 --> 02:25:03,240 Also coming up shortly, we have Tom Clancy, the some of all 2972 02:25:03,240 --> 02:25:05,920 fears and Sicario. And we've also got the future to 2973 02:25:05,960 --> 02:25:07,520 finally our first Harrison Ford movie. 2974 02:25:07,520 --> 02:25:10,480 So a lot of interesting things coming down the pipe for for the 2975 02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:13,040 clear present dudes. But until then just Rory and I 2976 02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:17,800 and sadly, sadly no sun yesterday but we have been clear 2977 02:25:17,800 --> 02:25:18,760 as. Present you. 2978 02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:21,720 Thank you. We'll see you when. 2979 02:25:22,280 --> 02:25:25,360 We'll see you in two weeks time when Sonia will be back among 2980 02:25:25,360 --> 02:25:26,520 us. Take care. 2981 02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:27,280 Peace out.