1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,880 Deeds represent. A clear and present danger 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,000 national security of the United States you. 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,120 Have no idea what bit of power? Hello and welcome back to Clear 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,280 and Present Dudes, a podcast sponsored by Saint Jude's patron 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,480 Sin of Lost Causes and police officers. 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,440 For tonight we are discussing Brian De Palma's 1987 crime 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,520 caper, The Untouchables. I am delighted to introduce 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,040 alongside our regular rogues gallery of Rory O'Toole and 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,200 Sonia Bjorkson, Jen Lansbury, who I believe is a distant 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,040 relation of 1. Mr. Al Capone. 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,000 Yes, hi. Nice to see everybody and I'm 12 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,520 very happy to be here and very, very distant I discovered. 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,080 But you know, it's probably a good thing. 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Yeah, it counts. It all counts for this. 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:58,680 Probably great. Yeah. 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,160 So how did you discover that you were just in relation of Al 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Capone? Grandmother's last name is or 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,160 her maiden name is Puerto Rico and the Puerto Rico Capone's are 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,800 very tight. Heard family stories growing up 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,680 of course that we were related to him, but my dad is very into 21 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,480 genealogy and everything like that. 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,320 So I wish I had it, I asked for it, but he has this whole huge 23 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:28,400 document about the Capones, Puerto Ricos and we're we're in 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,280 there. I was like, oh, hey. 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,240 So yeah, it's his sixth great uncle. 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,640 So it would be my 7th which I believe is 1/6 great 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,000 grandparents brother. It's incredible. 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,880 That's amazing. Distant, but yeah. 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,560 Doesn't enough that the movie doesn't offend you that it's 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,800 showing your family in a poor light. 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,680 It's also distant enough that there's no repercussions, and 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,320 perhaps any living ancestors of Elliott and nests aren't going 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,560 to come and fight you. So yeah. 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,320 Sorry, Elliott. Cool. 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,640 Before we get going, I think we're all customary. 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Thank you to everybody who's been listening so far and 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,200 leaving comments and all that good stuff to employ you. 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,360 Yes, again, if you like this, please follow it, like it, share 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,440 it, do whatever you want with it, but that'd be great. 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,960 Much appreciated. I grew up in a tough neighbour. 41 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:25,800 Sometimes a reputation follows you. 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,360 Robert De Niro is Al Capone. There is violence in Chicago, of 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,320 course, but not by me and not by anybody I employ. 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,560 And I'll tell you why, because it's not good business. 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,720 Kevin Costner is Elliot Ness I. Have sworn to put this man away 46 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:47,640 with any and all legal means of my disposal and I will do so. 47 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,920 Sean Connery is Jimmy Malone You. 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,920 Want to get Capone? You're sure you get him. 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,160 He pulls a knife, You pull a gun. 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,040 He sends one of yours to the hospital, you say. 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,480 One of his. Log Itchy the Chicago way. 52 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:06,120 You just joined the Treasury Department, so everybody knows 53 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,520 where the booze is. The problem isn't finding it. 54 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,160 The problem is who wants to cross the pump? 55 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,360 Somebody messes with me, I'm going to mess with him. 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,560 You carry a badge. Yes. 57 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,000 Carry a gun. Get your hands in the air. 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,600 You're all under a rash. You fellas are untouchable, is 59 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,480 that the thing? No one can get to you. 60 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,280 Hey everybody could be gotten to. 61 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,080 All right, then. Drive them to the station. 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,840 Anything happens, you shoot first. 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,600 You understand me? I'll. 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,840 Tell you one more thing, you got an all out price fight. 65 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,600 You wait till the fight's over one guy's left standard and 66 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,960 that's how you know who won. Just tell me, are you being 67 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,800 careful? Careful. 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,000 His mice. I want to hurt the man Malone. 69 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,080 I want to start taking the battle to him. 70 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,080 I want to hurt Capone. This. 71 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,280 Man can finger Al Capone. This man can put Capone behind 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,800 bar. What's can't you talk with the 73 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,440 gun in your mouth? Not to prove methods. 74 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,920 You're not from Chicago. Cool. 75 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,440 So we're here to talk about The Untouchables. 76 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,200 It's a 1987 American crime film directed by Brian De Palma, who 77 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,760 directed Carrie, Scarface Blowouts, Mission Impossible, 78 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,000 produced by Art Linson, written by David Mamet, who wrote Glenn 79 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,440 Gorrigan. Ross won a Pulitzer for that 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,240 play, and The Postman Always Rings Twice and weirdly Run in 81 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,200 It stars Kevin Costner in the same year he did No Way Out, 82 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,360 which is the first movie we covered Charles Martin, Sis 83 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,920 Smith, Andy Garcia, Robert De Niro and Sean Connery. 84 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,880 Set in see Chicago, the film follows Elliot Ness Kostner as 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,240 he forms the untouchables to bring down Al Capone to justice. 86 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,920 During Prohibition is the third film in which De Niro and De 87 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,240 Palma collaborated after Greetings and the film Hi Mom. 88 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,920 And it's also worth noting out we're recording this pod on the 89 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,360 7th of December, which makes it two days after the anniversary 90 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,560 of the end of Prohibition. So that's, yeah, that's a total, 91 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,680 total accident, but there we are. 92 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,520 The screenplay is really loosely based on Elliot Ness's 1957 book 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,720 The Untouchables, where he just really gassed himself up in 94 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,480 terms of how involved he was in all this. 95 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,960 And the the screenplay itself is massively fictionalised as we'll 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,080 go into the Grammy award-winning score. 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,280 Score is by Ennio Morricone but he also was nominated for an 98 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:37,600 Oscar for it as well but missed out at the film. 99 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Won one off scale, which is best supporting actor for Sean 100 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,800 Connery and it grossed domestically 76,000,000, which 101 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,640 makes it twice as successful as No Way Out was and gross 106 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,440 million globally. I think it was the 4th highest 103 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,200 grossing movie of the year. So cool, right guys? 104 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,880 What I'm going to hand over to you guys? 105 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,000 What what was your experience of the movie? 106 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Forgot how good this film was, honestly, I forgot how violent 107 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,160 it was as well. I forgot how just there's, 108 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,800 there's so much go, Emma said. There's a lot of brain matter in 109 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,760 this film. Like there's a lot of brutal 110 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,400 headshots. There's a lot of fuels, you 111 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,960 know, like the the back of the Dome getting blown away and just 112 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,120 would dress the infant girl sized elephant in the room. 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,840 The film begins with a small child just being fucking 114 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:26,600 destroyed by by by an IED that's just fucking picked up, you 115 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,320 know, and, and, and, and it's like, it's not even kind of like 116 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,120 the film. It's not even kind of there's an 117 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,720 explosion in the shop and then in the rubble, the Finder and it 118 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,200 looks like she's she's she's barely wounded, but she's dead. 119 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,240 But it looks like she's just sleeping and there's some dirt 120 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,080 on her cheek. It's like, no, she's evaporated. 121 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,720 She's atomized the picking bones out of things probably after 122 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,360 that. And it's like, fuck this film, 123 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,320 this film stats out its intentions. 124 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:53,840 This film sets its intentions out. 125 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:01,040 It's it it is just you've got this score from Ennio Morricone 126 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,120 that is isn't just a cop movie score, right? 127 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,240 Like it's a bit dangerous, it's a bit sexy, it's a bit off key 128 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,760 and horrorish at times. He's pulling in all all these 129 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,720 all all his background of everything from Jallow to, you 130 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:20,280 know, horror stuff and that as well in this just fucking a 131 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,680 detective movies score needs not be this good yet. 132 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,560 Yet it'd be one of one of the all timer gunfights, one of the 133 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,960 all timer gunfights. Almost 10 minutes of build up of 134 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,680 tension and then just brutal violence, much of it in slow 135 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,600 motion, much of it absolutely balletic and yet utterly, 136 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,440 utterly violent. I love it. 137 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,200 It's class, It is an all timer. It's like it's brilliant. 138 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,840 Some bizarre choices. I think as well in this film, 139 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,400 some some bizarre scenes, some stuff that needn't be in there, 140 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,560 and I see the floor of the rest of you guys for your opinions on 141 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,680 this film. Right, you've you've probably 142 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,800 got 5 things there that all needs to be talked about. 143 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,280 No, it's cool. So the first one, the score by 144 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,960 Ennio Morricone, mate, I couldn't agree with you more. 145 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,840 And actually the phenomenal score, I like it for a handful 146 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,520 of reasons. Obviously Ennio Morricone, 147 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,120 legendary film maker, soundtracks, hundreds of films, 148 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,440 loads of Italian films, 8 Sergio Leone films, The Thing, loads of 149 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,040 stuff. Once Upon a Time in America, 150 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,640 Jeff's case, anyway, what I live about this score is he he takes 151 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,120 the film is against the movie, right? 152 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,159 Yeah. It's kind of like a western as 153 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,480 well. It's kind of like, it's kind of 154 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,799 like you've got like a the corrupt town and all none of the 155 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:39,360 people can be trusted because they're all corrupt. 156 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,480 There's the bad guy who's in charge of the town, Al Capone in 157 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:46,640 this case, and he's like the the white hat, like our towner, US 158 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,160 Marshall, federal agent guy. He's going to come in and tie it 159 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,960 all up. Obviously he's the Treasury 160 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,800 Department in this case, but he's like the white hat. 161 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,320 And then he's getting his own. He's running a posse of like his 162 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,280 own good guys like Ujimbo or the Magnificent 7, that kind of 163 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,680 thing, right? And to do that, like obviously 164 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:05,880 Enya Morikode is like the is the sound of a spaghetti western, 165 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,360 right? He is the guy who came up with 166 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,720 the sound of a spaghetti Western. 167 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,400 And it would be really easy for him to have just done that 168 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,120 again, right? But he doesn't. 169 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,280 He takes little bits. So there's like that honky tonk 170 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,920 player piano sound that that uses for the piano in the movie. 171 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,680 So like Albert Al Capone's doing the town down, down, down, down. 172 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,000 Like that's all done with like that kind of slightly detuned 173 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,040 honky tonk piano. Yeah. 174 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,960 There's like a soprano saxophone that sounds a bit like a 175 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,160 harmonica now, which is awesome. And now my favourite thing about 176 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,400 the Indian Morricone score is the is you know, the fun fair 177 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,440 where they start like winning when they do that right on the 178 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,400 post office. And when they do like the charge 179 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,160 across the Canada bit, which didn't happen in real life, but 180 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,920 yeah. And then, then the final 181 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,400 courthouse bit. Yeah. 182 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,880 It's like this really kind of like again, doesn't doesn't go 183 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,640 to the western troops for the sounds of it. 184 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,040 It's like this beautiful fan fair with like that, like 185 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:03,600 Arpeggi like like it sounds like he's like a a white knight, like 186 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,400 going to charge it with a flaming sword was kind of coming 187 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:06,960 in there and like winning the day. 188 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,480 And it sounds like they're not like a bunch of Cowboys. 189 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,920 They're like Knights on a holy crusade. 190 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,600 And they keep saying like crocheted the cops and they're 191 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,480 like on a crusade. Yeah. 192 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,000 So the score elevates it. I yeah, I was I've, I were early 193 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,400 on on any of Morocco and I was going to say that for renewal of 194 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,560 drops, but but you brought it up, so I've done it. 195 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,800 The other thing you talked about, man, is the contempted 196 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,680 thing. We're going to hold that to 197 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:30,400 later. We're going to talk about this 198 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,040 the, the, the Odessa steps a bit later because that that deserves 199 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,640 more time. I'm going to seat the floor 200 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,120 again and and wing it around the room. 201 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Sonia, Jen, what? What are your thoughts? 202 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,360 Yeah, I I thoroughly enjoyed it. I wasn't expecting the the I 203 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,800 don't know if you guys expected it to the the scores to go that 204 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,000 hard. I was like, wait, what's 205 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,720 happening right now? This is amazing. 206 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,000 It was it took turns. I was not expecting like the IT, 207 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,600 it felt Western at some point. So, you know, like actual 208 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,240 Cowboys going. I was like where? 209 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:09,160 Where did this come from? I, I was dying at the scene with 210 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:14,520 the baby on the stairs, Like what what is happening right 211 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,840 now? And I went down a few rabbit 212 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,200 holes in terms of the Capone violence that I kind of saw. 213 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,680 And I was like, this is very, very violent. 214 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:29,200 And the, the little rabbit holes of things like, did he or did he 215 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,600 actually not do these things in real life? 216 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,120 So yeah, yeah, I, I really enjoyed it and glad I watched 217 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,120 that. Cool. 218 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,600 Weed. Sonya, we kind of killed with 219 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,200 this movie because you'd mentioned that you've seen it 220 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,080 before. Yes, us talking about all this 221 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,680 intense violence, it's sort of my fault I suppose. 222 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,120 Yes, we've touched on the immense amount of violence. 223 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,080 I am usually not a gall blood and violence person at all. 224 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,240 I don't enjoy that in films at all. 225 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,760 Somehow for this one I'm OK with it. 226 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,000 There is a lot. I was mostly re watching it, 227 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:08,160 amazed by how much attention it builds the entire time despite 228 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,640 by today's standards being a fairly slow paced film. 229 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,760 Radio. Yeah, I agree with that. 230 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,920 I think it gets you early with. So the first first thing we've 231 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,480 seen in the movie is, is the setting up piece for Al Capone 232 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,040 where he's being interviewed by the press whilst he's being 233 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,000 shaved by that guy. When he comes across really 234 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,440 genial and everyone's laughing at all these jokes. 235 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,280 But then the Barber cuts them and draws blood and everyone's 236 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,800 like, oh, fuck, because they because they all think, Oh my 237 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,280 God, this guy could fly for a hand on any minute. 238 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,600 But we don't see it yet. We see him be gracious about it 239 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,440 and then continues on. But that's the initial kind of 240 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,520 character be of like, so Capone might not be the nice guy he's 241 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,240 coming across as because everyone's a bit afraid of him. 242 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,560 And then, as you said, Rory, you know, we get the scene. 243 00:12:55,560 --> 00:13:01,040 Destruction of the child. Yeah, it's in the that's, yeah, 244 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,280 yeah, absolutely horrific. And it's in the screenplay like 245 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,480 that as well, just how it's like the girl get cut off mid 246 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,240 sentence and then just the shop, the shop's facing. 247 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,120 Storm holding it, it's horrible and even it's on thing because 248 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,840 that just covered it like collect some food for a sick mom 249 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,160 or something like that and and it's like, hey, Mr you forgot 250 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:23,520 you're instantly atomized. Yeah, there's a bit more set up 251 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,080 for it actually in the film than there is really. 252 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,120 Yeah. And the screenplay. 253 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,320 So you know how the in the in the film they have a bit of an 254 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,680 argument about the the green beer, which is a real problem at 255 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,280 the time during Prohibition. So obviously the you'll know 256 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,040 this is a Brewer, they weren't the controls in in place for 257 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,600 like sanitary brewing processes that there are now. 258 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,160 So what they used to have a lot of during prohibition is like 259 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,160 bacteria growing in in the Brewer I guess, which would make 260 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,960 it into like a sour, horrible mix and they'd call it green 261 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,000 beer. Yeah. 262 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,360 So that guy said he doesn't want to buy any more of it of, of 263 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,960 Capone's organisation because it's not, it's no good. 264 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,600 And the guy's like, if you're a fine boy and then leaves, 265 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,960 there's the briefcase there. You just see the we had like 7 266 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,800 years before craft beer got big and sours were in fashion and 267 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,880 it's like, you know, oh it's like a porn. 268 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,760 You've you've, you've saved my fucking hipster bar with the 269 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,200 food truck outside and exposed brickwork and you know. 270 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,600 And it's probably worth mentioning at this point that 271 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,480 the movie is less space in fact, and more based on the 272 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,080 Untouchables TV show from the 90s Nineteen 59. 273 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,240 This isn't the only time that Brian De Palma would take ATV 274 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,280 show from the 50s and 60s and then and then turn it into a 275 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,720 movie. Did the same thing with Mission 276 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,800 Impossible. But yeah, so why I say that is 277 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,400 Ellie and S is the star is the main guy here, which is he was 278 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,880 no doubt, you know, a a key figure during this period. 279 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,560 But he isn't the guy who brought down Capone ultimately for tax 280 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,080 evasion. That that was just a different 281 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,480 guy from the IRS called called Ellie. 282 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,720 And S in real life at the time was about 27 years old in the TV 283 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,960 show he was kind of portrayed by a guy in his 40s. 284 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,920 They've aged him back a little bit for the movie. 285 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,440 So coming across he was in his mid 30s when he played him as 286 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:09,520 well casts Elliot Ness is a family man who with a he was 287 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,960 married, but he didn't have any of his He adopted a son after 288 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,880 the events of the movie, didn't have a daughter, didn't have a 289 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,880 baby, ultimately got married three times in his life as well. 290 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,920 The wife in this played by Patricia Clarkson isn't named. 291 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,600 She's just called wife of Nets or something in the credits. 292 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,400 The screenplay that's indicative of the 80s. 293 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,800 Yeah, the screenplay calls like Catherine, which is not the name 294 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,160 of any of his wives in real life. 295 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,120 So yeah, they've kind of changed. 296 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,080 The real guy was apparently a bit of a flirt after prohibition 297 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,040 was lifted, became an alcoholic, you know, just like which is not 298 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,320 a character judgement necessarily, but the the the 299 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,760 whole sort of family man piece is this is not the same. 300 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,480 So they've but they've but they've done that on purpose to 301 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,960 make him into this kind of like Gary Cooper, Jimmy Stewart, kind 302 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:03,640 of like white hat good guy cop, high noon man shot Rudy Valens 303 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,240 kind of kind of thing going on there. 304 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,040 He obviously joins. There's the whole initial piece 305 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,120 where he tries to make his mark, but he hasn't got any allies yet 306 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,080 and nobody wants to help him. And they have that that initial 307 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,200 first raid on in the docks. What's everyone's opinion of 308 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,360 that absolutely unhinged Mad Max looking snow plough that they 309 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,920 use, by the way, for the raid? That's wild stuff, right? 310 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,440 That's crazy. I mean, I mean, people talk 311 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,720 about like the militarization of like American police now, but 312 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,800 back then the driving like a fucking Mad Max war rig in that 313 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,840 we're building. It's like, OK, OK, cool dude. 314 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,640 Amazing. Is based in part in fact 315 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,160 apparently so that that shock and all kind of like smash the 316 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,000 doors in don't give me time to think kind of thing is what you 317 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,240 did ultimately sweet so that that is I'm not saying I'm not 318 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,840 saying the war rig necessarily it's. 319 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:06,119 Like witness me just just like him and all those boys got the 320 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,920 silver spray paint. I would like just ride eternal 321 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:17,000 fucking Rider turtle on the Chicago Rd Christ. 322 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,359 That shit in Chicago PD. There you do not. 323 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,079 So yeah, so he has that that that goes horribly wrong. 324 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:26,319 And then we meet my my favourite character and customers friend, 325 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,960 the pod, Sean Connery. Like I said, I'm being accused 326 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,960 by people of running a Sean Connery podcasts. 327 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,880 I mean, if we didn't have plans for the month of January, we 328 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,120 could do like January or Conyary. 329 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,000 We could do Sean Conyary. However, we all know there are 330 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,000 there are there are plans for January. 331 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:46,480 Michael. Michael. 332 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,440 Manure, you mean? Michael Manure. 333 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,120 Maybe just stay for next year. Yeah. 334 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,920 Well, we could move that to March. 335 00:17:54,560 --> 00:18:00,240 Man madness. Man madness, Michael madness. 336 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,640 I like it. So what do you guys think about 337 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,200 Connery and his introduction as character as Malone? 338 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,760 It's band. He's got echoes of your dad, 339 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,680 mate. I'm sorry, but every time we see 340 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,000 like an old school cop in a film, it's like that's some norm 341 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 energy. Especially in that a mental 342 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,520 Edgar Allan Poe film, The Raven, when there's a cop in it, looks 343 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,040 like that he's got big norm energy. 344 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,040 He does proper fucking hard. Yeah. 345 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,680 Exactly. He's got norm energy. 346 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,480 That's not why I like him so much, do you think? 347 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,800 Yeah, that's why. Remind me not to piss off your 348 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,080 dad. As if you need any further 349 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,720 reminder. Yeah, Jesus Christ, fair enough, 350 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,200 but. I kind of enjoyed when he was 351 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:52,000 kind of poking at the, what's his name, Eddie Garcia's 352 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,120 character to try to get him to, you know, be that person that 353 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,960 they want to pick and like, get him riled up. 354 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,120 Yeah, that is so good. That's brilliant. 355 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:02,840 He was. Testing him, he he was like, I'm 356 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,240 going to put if I pull out ASAP, is he going to put out a gun? 357 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,040 Yeah, he did, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean partially 358 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,720 he's testing him, but part of it's like racism activated. 359 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,880 Yeah, you do get a bit of actual safeguard racism from him later 360 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:16,120 on, don't you? Yeah. 361 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,200 He was giving a shit about his name change and stuff. 362 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,680 What's your real name? It's like, whoa, bad. 363 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,080 That's a rallying but, but it was a bit later on when he's 364 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,160 having a fight with the chief of police guy, Yeah. 365 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,560 And he starts lamenting what's happened to the city since all 366 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,760 the Italian Americans have come. Yeah, I really like his fight 367 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,680 with the chief of police because it's like you can tell Sean 368 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,880 Connery used to box a bit, you know, like he still has the 369 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,520 physical presence of someone who, you know, could actually 370 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,920 chin someone in the back alley, you know, and I like that. 371 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,600 I love that from like he's like he's like an older guy who like 372 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,840 looks like he could still give you a bit of a hammering. 373 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:57,400 And I think he's class. He's got good like physicality 374 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,480 about in like fist fights and stuff. 375 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,600 Even get an older and stuff things a bit of a difference 376 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,400 between like and Firefox. That semen cleanest woods in the 377 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:13,120 that bathroom fight scene and Clint Eastwood is a guy. 378 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,520 You can see shoot people all day, right, But he doesn't have 379 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,320 the kind of like in, in my opinion, in that film at least, 380 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,600 going to brawl our physicality that that Sean Connery's got. 381 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,880 Sean Connery looks like he could like drink like 12 pints of 382 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,200 heavy and then knock you the fuck out in the car park of like 383 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:33,040 a flat roof pub, you know? Very specific, go through 384 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,440 reference. Absolutely. 385 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,360 And I had to laugh too, because it's I, I don't remember who 386 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,840 said it or the quote, but they call them like the Irishman. 387 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,960 And I was like, that's not an Irish accent, but you know. 388 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:46,800 Yeah, he's really not. Yeah, of course. 389 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,920 Yeah, that's that's like I saw a really great review in like the 390 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,520 notes, the Peter Gary section. I'm dead happy Jen mentioned 391 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,000 this because obviously I'll see a voice of funny stuff again. 392 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,280 But one of the reviews is along the lines of Sean Collins, a 393 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,920 Scottish actor playing an Irish American cop with an accent that 394 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,600 belongs to none of these countries. 395 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:10,320 I mean, it's like Sean Connery refuses to compromise with this 396 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,120 accent. So no, Sean Connery just refuses 397 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,680 to give a shit. I mean, he's class, but it's 398 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,600 like the voice is like that the last thing on his mind, you 399 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,240 know, like he's. So I'm going to drop my Sean 400 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,680 Connery trivia at this point then. 401 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,280 So Connery, as we've talked about before, gets really deeply 402 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,200 involved in his characters and is not afraid of giving the 403 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,240 directors notes. Yeah. 404 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,640 So when they were putting this movie together, this is a genius 405 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,720 thing that they did. And I think they got nominated 406 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,560 for an Oscar for this but didn't win it, which is mental. 407 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,800 But they got all the costumes are by Giorgio Armani. 408 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,240 So like all the suits that everyone's wearing, which is 409 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,080 great because it's a brilliant era for cool suits. 410 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,680 And they did lots of little things, like to try and maximise 411 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:55,600 seeing people's faces, they made like the the brims of the caps a 412 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,040 bit shorter than they would have been in the actual 20s and 30s. 413 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,600 So you didn't get, like, lots of, you know, brims of caps 414 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,640 obscuring people's eyes and stuff, which would have been 415 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,680 probably a little bit too noirish, I guess. 416 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Because this movie's not really a noir, is it? 417 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,200 It's too bright. No, not at all. 418 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,960 But Short and Connery, he was like, I'm not going to wear any 419 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,160 of that. I'm going to wear what I think I 420 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,080 would wear as a a, a working class cop in Chicago in the 90s 421 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,880 and then then came up with his own outfit. 422 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,760 And as you can see, he looks distinctly different from the 423 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,440 rest of the guys because like, even like Andy Garcia's like 424 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,760 brown car skin jacket thing is, is an Armani piece. 425 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,640 That was the Sean Connery fact. No, you make. 426 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,120 So yeah, you raised, you raised really good point about just how 427 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,840 everyone in this film looks like the coolest motherfucker alive, 428 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,120 pretty much. I mean, it is. 429 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:46,800 It is incredibly well costumed, I guess. 430 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,520 Giorgio Monument. Come on. 431 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,800 It's like girded and I really like I had a feeling that Sean 432 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,680 Conway might have had something to do with with his own outfit 433 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,360 because his because his wardrobe does look quite different. 434 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:05,360 It also gives us more kind of accounts backbone to my theory 435 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,360 that in Meteor he was just wearing his own clothes from 436 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:10,520 home. What I'm surprised by, and I 437 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,840 thought that Sean Conway might have had more impact on the 438 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,200 dialogue for his character because his character has a 439 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,760 really unique metre and he doesn't talk like anybody else 440 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,240 in the film. Yeah. 441 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,440 He's full of, like, all these little idioms of things that he 442 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,600 must to say all the time. So, you know, like the first 443 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,400 rule of law enforcement, go home and all that kind of stuff for. 444 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,640 Yeah. Go all life kind of thing. 445 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,680 Stamp, Stamp your feet to stay warm and you know, all that kind 446 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,160 of stuff and all that kind of thing. 447 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,920 But that's, that's all in the script. 448 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,680 The, the one big change that Sean Connery did do. 449 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,680 And this is a this is a pivotal change to the movie, By the way, 450 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,400 I think in terms of like creating an iconic scene. 451 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,960 So the, the scene where he enters the blood oath with 452 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,440 Elliot with like, you know, how far are you prepared to go if 453 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,440 one of him pulls out a knife? You put out a gun, he puts one 454 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,480 of your guys in the hospital. He put one of his in the morgue. 455 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,480 That's the Chicago way. That scene was originally going 456 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,760 to happen like in that bit of the police office. 457 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,680 And it was Sean Connery went, you wouldn't, you wouldn't talk 458 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,800 about this in the police office. You would have the there is a 459 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,920 line in the script that says these walls have ears and they 460 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,640 go out and have the rest of the conversation on the street. 461 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,520 But he said, put that up front and we'll go somewhere where 462 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,720 people wouldn't talk about it because I'm an Irish Catholic. 463 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,720 We'll do it in a church. So that's his his idea to do it 464 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,200 in that church. You've got an incredible shot 465 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,840 looking up with like their hands, like Michelangelo, the 466 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,160 Sistine Chapel, and you've got like looking at their heads and 467 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,040 you've got like the massive vaulted roof of that incredible 468 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,720 cathedral in Chicago. Like that was Conroy's idea. 469 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,960 This film is so Catholic. I mean, you could, you could, 470 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,040 you could probably easily get away with seeing that like 90% 471 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,120 of cop movies are very Catholic. And this is and then this is one 472 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:57,560 of the most Catholic films. I have a slight interest. 473 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,640 I love the oh, what's the podcast or not podcast? 474 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,760 OK, I'm going to draw a blank on it, but they explore the way 475 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,560 special effects are done in movies. 476 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,000 And I was looking to see what was done in this movie. 477 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,960 And I glad you brought up the church scene because I think 478 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,720 that was they called that his signature 5050 Philtres to keep 479 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,040 the foreground and background. Split Diopter. 480 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:22,800 Yeah, split very up late because I having some knowledge of that, 481 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,400 I was like how are they doing that? 482 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,960 And yes, Yep. But to keep both things in sharp 483 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,280 focus, I was. Like I love that that's such a 484 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,560 good pull and I'm glad you brought that up because yeah, 485 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,800 again, you see that you see quite a lot in like 70s 486 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,600 pictures. And then I kind of fell out of 487 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,160 fashion. But like Brian's Palmer sticks 488 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,800 with it and yeah, it's like a signature thing that he he kind 489 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,440 of pulls out. He does it in this, he does it 490 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,640 in, I think he does it in Mission Possible at one point as 491 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,280 well, which is like wildly in popular kind of shot them. 492 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,680 But yeah, there's lots of thing that that's sort of linked to 493 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,400 this in this movie. There's a lot of shots looking 494 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,200 up at people from a Dutch dangle. 495 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,880 And then you see the roof of the the ceiling of the building 496 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,360 they're in behind them, which you don't you don't see very 497 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,000 often. But because they use lots of 498 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,160 brilliant real locations in Chicago for this. 499 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,640 So like you get it, you get the vaulted roof in the, in, in the, 500 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,840 in the cathedral. You get the that beautiful 501 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280 ornate roof of the chandeliers and stuff in the Lexington 502 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,120 Hotel. But Capone's in as well when 503 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,160 he's, you know, he confronts him on the stairs going down and 504 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,680 also the Opera House where he's doing these little bits of the 505 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,400 the press as well. Yeah. 506 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,760 You know, if a guy steals from me, I say you stole. 507 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,160 I don't. I don't pick him up for spin on 508 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,480 the sidewalk, all that kind of stuff. 509 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,920 That's brilliant. Yeah. 510 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,960 Cool. Really good pull. 511 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:33,560 I love that. Thank you. 512 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,800 Cool. So we have that cool meeting on 513 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,080 the bridge between Malone and Connery. 514 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,360 Jabs with the night stick. What's with the Mahaska? 515 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,880 And who would claim to be that which is not Love that 516 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,040 brilliant. And he's like the special 517 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,080 source. He's what Elliot Ness needed to 518 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240 to start this investigation proper because no one was going 519 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,000 to help him. But he's got this one guy and he 520 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,320 has and he's got all the good advice. 521 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,600 Don't trust anybody. Do you want to avoid picking a 522 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,160 bad apple? Don't get one from the barrel. 523 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,840 Pick one from the tree. And then we go and see Andy 524 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,280 Garcia. And we're getting like the kind 525 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,760 of running the posse, putting together A-Team sequence. 526 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,320 Andy Garcia we talked about in our last episode doing a weird 527 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,800 fog on Lego on thing, but in this movie, he's fantastic, 528 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,440 right? It's when he's introduced in 529 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,400 this like incredibly turbo cool pistol range sequence when the 530 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,720 camera kind of goes down like the ranks of the dudes who were 531 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,240 shooting in like a normal kind of stance the time. 532 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,840 And then he's been turbo fucking alley with his with his, with 533 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,920 his revolver in his like tracky bottoms and that jog as to our 534 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,680 American cousins, but in his QR tracky bottoms. 535 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,000 And he just does that incredibly rapid draw and just what's 536 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,840 essentially a fucking augmented Mozambique drill because there's 537 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,680 a few in the chest and a few more in the head. 538 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,120 And it's like, it's sick. I actually actually had a go at 539 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:50,840 like trying to replicate that today at the my local range with 540 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,440 a total calibre, total calibre mark 6 Webley air pistol. 541 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,200 Fucking hell, it was, I'm so bad at that kind of draw. 542 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,440 It was embarrassing. I'm going to make the video 543 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,840 already and like I've got a bum shoulder. 544 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,200 So like it's difficult for us anyway. 545 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,720 And like, like it's like it's like a period accurate pistol. 546 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,840 It's it's a heavy fucking pig of a thing. 547 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,440 And it's like, and there's such a frigging moment when I'm 548 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,240 trying to like adjust and get an actual sight picture. 549 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,320 So it does not look as cool at all as how our our boy does it. 550 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,120 And it's sick. It's what a scene. 551 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,240 Then of course you've got, as I said, Connery's like I'm going 552 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040 to get some fights out with you. I'm going to give you a shit 553 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,240 about your change name. I'm going to, you know, get you, 554 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,720 get you rajed up and yeah, it's brilliant. 555 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,560 Yeah, Bats. Some bats meant to join in the 556 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,320 team. Our 4th untouchable is a guy, a 557 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,720 fictional character. I should point out that Malone 558 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,360 isn't isn't a real guy, is he? I think he's meant to be a real 559 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,360 guy who's called Marty Lahart. He was a real Irish cop who did 560 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,400 help Ness out. He already knew Ness before he 561 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,800 before he came to take this particular role in Chicago and 562 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,640 he actually outlives Ness as well. 563 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,880 So he survived the these events and and died after Ness. 564 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,600 There isn't a one guy who fits the role of Andy Garcia, and I 565 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,480 already mentioned this, an IRS guy. 566 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,160 He was running a different investigation and didn't meet 567 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,240 Ness during it, but he's kind of inserted into the movie as this 568 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,480 character, Oscar Wallace, who is doesn't get a chance to properly 569 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,880 say where he came from, but he's now part of the team and he's 570 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,480 the guy. He was bringing up tax evasion. 571 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,760 And it's like we obviously if you know the history, you know 572 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,200 that's what you're going to say. It's done for. 573 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,240 So it's kind of like, I mean inserting that. 574 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,600 I will say something about this guy's character then. 575 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,120 This is America. They're not going to make the 576 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,920 IRS, the heroes, the film, right? 577 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,320 I mean, am I wrong? Am I wrong on this one? 578 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,360 Yeah. Like no. 579 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,440 Not the IRS. It's like everybody's like. 580 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,000 Yeah, it's like fuck that. Can you imagine like a similar 581 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,480 British film would have HMRC as the heroes and literally no one 582 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,840 would go and say it? It would do worse than Morbius. 583 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,640 Well, the reason why they kind of did this, what everyone 584 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,640 objected to was like a rich cheek getting away with not 585 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,440 paying his taxes. So Oscar Wallace, he's the he's 586 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,800 the 4th untouchable. And it takes a little while for 587 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,160 his kind of his idea of getting for tax evasion to sink in with 588 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,240 everybody. And when he because LENS is like 589 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,000 he's feeling a bit glum and done about when he first introduces 590 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,560 himself, he just literally walks out of the room. 591 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,960 So. He's like, he's like, he's like, 592 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,360 no, fuck this. I'm going to come back and 593 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:43,280 there'd better be a six foot 2 chart in the position of of of 594 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,080 this standard issue fucking 5 foot 4 nerd, this little man who 595 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,320 might have fucking contagious polio. 596 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,880 No. So in the screenplay after the 597 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,200 after the failed raid the road beginner, the movie, he actually 598 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,920 writes A resignation note and he's about to hand it in before 599 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,000 that guy comes in and like I can see that why that wasn't in the 600 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:06,920 movie. So that would have been like 601 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,600 ridiculous. Like we've just had this movie 602 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,120 first roster to work has one bad day and then he's like 603 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,880 immediately going out. Fuck this. 604 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,800 It's like, that's not very heroic. 605 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,360 I mean, I have, I have worked for people who've literally done 606 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,920 that. But then Gannett won't work in 607 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640 law enforcement, so. We have tried. 608 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,760 Half the time we didn't get Al Capone. 609 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,480 I am out. Yeah. 610 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,880 So, yeah, then we get the really cool bit, which is Malone proves 611 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,200 his worth and has the good Intel straight away on where the booze 612 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,600 is. And it's like, right, I need one 613 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,720 more guy. We need one more guy. 614 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,640 And Oscar Wallace walks in like going like, oh, the dispensary 615 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,400 of this fence. And everyone's like, shut up, 616 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,880 nerd. And he's like, you're a federal 617 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,480 agent. Yeah, carry a carry a badge. 618 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,840 Yeah, carry a gun. It's a great delivery. 619 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,920 And then and it just cuts them. And again, it's awesome music. 620 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,640 And it has like, panic on the street, the one St they've 621 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,200 decked out to make it look like the 1930s. 622 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,640 And they just confidently stride across it with these like, pump 623 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,200 action rifles, walking towards like broad daylight, walking 624 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,160 into a post office, which a lot of people would probably be 625 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,120 alarmed at. And as they're walking through 626 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,280 the post office, you see people are like, what the fuck is going 627 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,920 on here? Like. 628 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,280 What I love about that scene is I am pretty sure no point they 629 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,240 identify themselves as federal officers just. 630 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,320 Walk in just. Walk in shotguns and it's like 631 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,880 what the fuck so. Good. 632 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,960 Like it's like America. And there's a brilliant bit 633 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,280 which they added in the movie, which isn't in the screenplay. 634 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,240 So they get around the back and it's like the door that is for 635 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,000 the stairwell that's got a little sign that's saying like 636 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,360 stairwell out of order, whatever. 637 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,320 But it's clean. Just the door into the warehouse 638 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,480 where they're storing all the booze. 639 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,040 And in in the screenplay, they just break in straight away. 640 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,640 Like literally like Connor just grabs an axe and just cuts into 641 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,000 it. But now that really cool moment 642 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,640 where it's like, once we do this, we're stepping over a line 643 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,680 like and the last time. And then it cuts to like, 644 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,960 Connor. And he goes, there's like, yeah, 645 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,240 ready to go, let's do it. And they break in like, this was 646 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880 a raid, federal agents. And then like, I was like, no, 647 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,680 this is no good. This is no. 648 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,320 Good. And it's fucking just shooting 649 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,720 up at the ceiling as well. That's like the 1920s. 650 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,160 You go in fucking shoot holes out with the ceilings. 651 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,520 Like what? The policeman. 652 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:14,880 Amazing. Where's your? 653 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,880 Warrant just. Where's your warrant? 654 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,960 There's my warranty. How do you think he feels better 655 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,800 or worse? We almost laughed so much when 656 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,560 we do police films. He noticed that. 657 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,280 Yeah, I do. It's so good, man. 658 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,400 Yeah. Brilliant. 659 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,840 God. OK. 660 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,840 Yeah. So that's like, that's the first 661 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,800 success. And they kind of find out the 662 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,440 big important point, which is like, everybody knows where the 663 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,040 booze is. It's just like everyone wants to 664 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600 cross Capone, So this this is them like put themselves out 665 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,360 there, marksman now kind of thing. 666 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Yeah. Well, I love the narrative 667 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,440 economy of that. Like, literally like, I know 668 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,120 where the place is. We'd go straight there, do the 669 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,800 first raid, that's it. And then they go say like their 670 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,200 celebratory dinner and where they get the iconic photograph 671 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,120 taken, which is really nice. I like that scene. 672 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,880 It is classic. It's nice to see you work night 673 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,440 out. Work, night out, everyone's 674 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,240 enjoying themselves. Well, works. 675 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,880 Due when there's no fucking drama. 676 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,080 Do you know why no drinking there? 677 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,120 We'll go there. We'll go. 678 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,600 Oh man, couldn't be. Yeah, I've got a works night out 679 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,520 coming up shortly and my boss wants us all to come in the next 680 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,360 day and climb up a hill. It's like, have you ever seen 681 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,639 Band of Brothers with like they climb up Curry at the beginning, 682 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:29,960 like 3 miles up, 3 miles down. It's basically what my life's 683 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,760 going to be like next week. I'm not looking forward to it. 684 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,199 Don't let, don't don't let your. Boss, feed your spaghetti 685 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,679 beforehand, yeah? It's just an afternoon. 686 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,400 Actually, I should literally say on the on the XTM as well, it's 687 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,760 like an afternoon of like lectures. 688 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,000 We're running up Curry, gentlemen, no pain. 689 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,520 Depending which path you take off that. 690 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,000 Might be a lecture that could cause serious bodily harm, but 691 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,440 Oh well. So yeah, they have their works 692 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,560 night out. They introduced the Saint 693 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,680 Jude's. It's really nice. 694 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,040 It's better in the move than it is in the screenplay as well. 695 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,320 They don't talk about that in the screenplay. 696 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,240 There's just an awkward moment where a waiter tries to give 697 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:10,480 them grappa and they all thin him out. 698 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,240 And then and it's and it's, and this is like a it's probably the 699 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,120 only clunky bit of David Amit writing in the screenplay is he 700 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,400 just says, Malone says to Elliot Ness. 701 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,560 Once he's thinned out the weight, he goes, you're all 702 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,680 right. I like you. 703 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,120 It's like you would never see that. 704 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,840 No, he would not. He would. 705 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,600 He would. He would deny liking anyone. 706 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,320 I'll tolerate your Prince. He he he Emmanuel, proper song. 707 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,960 So once. Again, I've talked loads, so 708 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,400 that's the first little bit of the movie. 709 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,800 Any any of the thoughts bubbling up. 710 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,240 So we'll get the sequence sort of when. 711 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,840 Like they're introduced and stuff like having the work, but 712 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,880 when they have the works night out and having a nice photos 713 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,520 taken and stuff after that is them is is the next bit when 714 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,960 they just head for the border and they do this crazy operation 715 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,640 in Canada. Yeah, the only thing that's in 716 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,680 between. Is Capone's baseball bat speech 717 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,240 Yes, yes, that is brilliant. I was I was watching that. 718 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,920 Obviously I know what happens in it with MRM. 719 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,040 Like wait, in fact the shoe would drop and she's just kind 720 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,120 of like just ex just chilling watching it. 721 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,080 Just the scene when just there's that explosive violence and he 722 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,640 just raised the shit out of him with a baseball bat. 723 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,560 It's fantastic. It's man, Bobby De Niro is he's, 724 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,640 he's got that dog in him for just controlled bursts of 725 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,040 psychopathy, you know? Yeah. 726 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,760 Love the whole. Sequence. 727 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,840 It's going to bring up there. This is another little rabbit 728 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,080 hole I went down under for Capone because it's like I've 729 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,080 granted my distance in relation, but people were family was 730 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,520 saying like he did, he didn't do things like that. 731 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,600 He'd he didn't shoot up the wall of people. 732 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,800 I know that that scene, they were saying that that real life 733 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,800 incident was potentially not done specifically by him and 734 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,040 they were trying to blame it on his like other people that 735 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,200 worked for him because they they did in fact die from gunshots, 736 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,000 not just a blow to the noggin. So, but yeah. 737 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,640 There were other marks. That suggested that they weren't 738 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,760 just beating by bats. So take that for what it's 739 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,400 worth, but there's a lot of myths around Capone and whether 740 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,520 or not he actually did those very violent acts. 741 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,600 And he was the family was like he was set up. 742 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,920 OK. He was a simple. 743 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,400 Business bot are. We in business the. 744 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,000 CIA did it. They set him up. 745 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,000 Yeah, so there's a. So I think related to that, 746 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,600 there's that. So the the rounds table dinner 747 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,480 pieces is a fiction, I think. And then what they've talked 748 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,080 about is the potential real life incident is that there's a 749 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,640 couple of lieutenants that were looking to unseat him that he 750 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,280 then executed. And then there's a there's an 751 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,440 argument whether it really happened, But like there's one 752 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,040 argument that he did hit them with baseball bats and kill them 753 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,240 that way. And then, as you've alluded to 754 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:05,000 talk about, they were executed maybe at his word or maybe not 755 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,800 at his word, but by other people and then shot them up. 756 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,720 Yeah. So it's really interesting. 757 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,560 Yeah. And this is a thing we're going 758 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,760 to keep coming back to. Is that this film over eggs, how 759 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,280 violent the Kippoons organisation was in lots of 760 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,440 ways. They don't want to spoil it too 761 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,800 much. They didn't go out of their way 762 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,480 to like kill cops or certainly not federal officers. 763 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,680 They did do some of the bribing, but they didn't do the violence 764 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,040 so much because that would have got there. 765 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,040 They would have brought them too much heat and it would it would 766 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,000 have got the organisation shut down a lot quicker than it it 767 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,720 being. But yeah, no, really good point. 768 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,800 Really good point. John, Mike, you mentioned 769 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,960 looking at. The the shots from that scene 770 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,640 when the cameras like looking down and you said it looks like 771 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,520 there's like a knife stuck in his neck or something as well. 772 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,040 And you thought maybe that being cut out of him. 773 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,200 I haven't got a chance to rewatch that bit. 774 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200 But yeah, so I looked at that and I couldn't find. 775 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,280 Anything about it in the screenplay either as the shot 776 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,000 then goes into an overhead and then pulls out classic Brian De 777 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,640 Palma Crane Jot. And as he's doing it, it looks 778 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,960 like he's got like a, a knife, like like a brown wooden handled 779 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,120 knife, which is like at odds with the silverware on the rest 780 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,280 of the table, like sticking up his neck. 781 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,920 You don't see anyone stabbing or anything so. 782 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,920 It's kind of like, yeah, weird. I don't know. 783 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,840 I thought that was his cigar. There you go it probably. 784 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,600 Looks good. Myth busted myth. 785 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,720 Busted myth busted live on Clear and. 786 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,120 Present dudes, but I'm getting it. 787 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,640 I'm going to keep it in. I'm going to keep it in. 788 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,480 Do not. Yeah, man. 789 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,280 Yeah, man. Yeah. 790 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,760 Man, do do not delete it because like I said this, this level of 791 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,840 integrity, investigation and deep thinking is why we boast 792 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,240 10s of listeners and then Speaking of things that didn't. 793 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,520 Happen, they go to Canada, it's best. 794 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,720 Yeah, so they. Never they. 795 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:48,200 Never they. Never. 796 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,200 Did this. It's an invention, but I like it 797 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,880 because it it again, hops onto this, you know, like it's a 798 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,200 Western vibe because they're on horseback and hats and leather 799 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,760 jackets. It's really cool. 800 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,480 Yeah. It felt like we switched. 801 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,080 Genres. For a second I was like, wait, 802 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,840 what? I'm like you guys just wanted to 803 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,640 do. Horses and guns and ride around 804 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,920 I. Just remember watching. 805 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,000 That bad good there are horses now there are horses now. 806 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,360 I love how the all adapt horseman as well, even like the 807 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,960 little like nerd guys like able to ride a horse and it's like, I 808 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,640 mean, I guess you only other options from like riding pillion 809 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,000 behind, like Sean Connery with his arms around his waist or 810 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,320 something. But but but like, I mean, I just 811 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,280 love how these guys are just so absolute super cops. 812 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,800 The course I can ride horses. Of course, this is they have 813 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,400 this operation to coordinate with the Canadians, right, and 814 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,280 the Canadian Mounties, like do they like go before? 815 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,400 They shouldn't just ride in and start like shooting like like 816 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,040 they're just like start. Laying down fire. 817 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,480 Right. And it's like the age of the 818 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,600 officer leading them and and the time this film set in, he was 819 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,640 definitely in the Canadian Forces in World War One during 820 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,120 war crimes, right? I mean, that look at his eyes. 821 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,280 He's like, yes, back at the saddle. 822 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,840 He doesn't approve of the methods. 823 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,160 Yeah, yeah, back at the. Fucking saddle lads. 824 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,080 He's just like painting German faces mentally over all these 825 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,600 Americans he's shooting. It's like, yeah. 826 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,880 So I think the. Canadian The Royal Canadian 827 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,000 Motor Police get a bit of a raw deal in this movie. 828 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,600 They're they're kind of shown to be a bit silly and that that 829 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,120 particular captain is shown to be a bit of a buffoon, isn't he? 830 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,320 Yeah, like he, he just. Goes goes in and starts shooting 831 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:32,920 stuff. He doesn't. 832 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,000 He doesn't listen to the I mean, he's brief on what to do and 833 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,160 then almost immediately doesn't do us. 834 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,360 Yeah, and he also briefs. As well, that surprise is half 835 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,920 the battle and then he gets shut down by Kevin Costner. 836 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,440 There's only less who's who's like, I don't know what, I don't 837 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,960 know what his credentials are, but he was like, lots of things 838 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,760 are half the battle, losing's half the battle. 839 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,000 I want to think of all that I saw. 840 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,720 It's like that doesn't mean anything good. 841 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,920 Like what you've just said, it's. 842 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,480 Words, they are words. They don't mean anything though. 843 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,800 So it's a coherent thought. Like that's not written. 844 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,160 That's not written in Sun Tzu. That's not like I was I, I was. 845 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,720 About to say, Elliot, that's talking like he's read The Art 846 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,080 of War a couple of times. That's when you're close. 847 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,560 Not, not, not taking anything in from it, really. 848 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,480 Yeah. Yeah. 849 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,480 But you're right. So the Monty officer fires from 850 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,640 a pistol at range, at massive range. 851 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,560 He's. He's, he's just, he's just happy 852 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,960 to be involved. I mean, he's the opposite of the 853 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,760 polite Canadian. He's just an angry, heavyset, 854 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,600 moustachioed man who's just popping off needlessly. 855 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,240 He's not going to hit anything. He's just having a good time. 856 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaking of members of the Royal Canadian. 857 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,920 Mountain police who had involvement with the City of 858 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:48,040 Chicago Constable Benton Fraser, would have done this South. 859 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,320 That's the way I'm going. Jen, Jen, if you've heard of the 860 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,400 TV. Series due South maybe? 861 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,320 So my so my wife is American. And, and she wasn't familiar 862 00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,920 with it either, but I thought maybe that's because she's from 863 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,480 Texas and it's the South. But it turns out, turns out, 864 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,520 guys, that's like a British and Canadian thing and Americans 865 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,920 don't have it even though it's set in America. 866 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,520 Chip mammoths. Wild. 867 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,280 Yeah, so it's ATV Series I. Just pulled it up. 868 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,600 In the I I've never heard of this. 869 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,320 Yeah, it's epic. So yeah, wow, is it worth 870 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,040 talking about it very briefly? That's a Royal Canadian Mounted 871 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,160 Policeman. His father is also a still 872 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,880 active serving mounted policeman. 873 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,920 Gets murdered by some people who or a person who's trapped going 874 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,320 back to Chicago. So therefore he gets us a 875 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,560 comment Chicago so we can solve his dad's murder. 876 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,600 He's helped by the ghost of his dad throughout and a death wolf 877 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,360 that he owns. And he teams up with a local 878 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,840 Chicago PD detective called Ray Vecchio, who's a bit of a 879 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,640 sleazeball, but it's great. There you go. 880 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,080 That's it. Brilliant show. 881 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,080 Watch it if you can anyway. Back to an early I. 882 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,680 Know when you first mentioned that? 883 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,360 I thought you said, I thought you meant Brandon Fraser. 884 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,360 I was like, wait, what? Yeah, I know. 885 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,200 The character's called. Benton Fraser. 886 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,200 Benton Fraser, Yeah. Played by Paul Gross. 887 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,880 Canadian actor. Anyway, right, But they have a 888 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,080 big shoot out. Our guy Oscar is brilliant with 889 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:13,600 goes mental with the riot gun. So a good man he goes. 890 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,080 On just this absolute fucking I love the trope of like the 891 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,600 little guy starts kicking off and he just does this mad 892 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,440 virtually suicide run across the bridge shooting from the hip, 893 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:29,920 dropping people left and right runs out of ammo and then just 894 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,240 you know, incredible God bless him in the screenplay in the. 895 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,800 Screenplay after that happens, he pulls out a pistol and shoots 896 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,760 a man out of the back as well. Oh, that's absolutely class, 897 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,600 man. Honestly, it's like, wow, that. 898 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,720 Should have been in the film He. Should have switched to a side 899 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:46,400 armour. Just mad dumped some guy in the 900 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,600 back. Oh beautiful beautiful. 901 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,960 So they capture a guy called. George, who is carrying a Ledger 902 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,480 and they go to interrogate him in their little cabin, but he's 903 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,480 a hostile witness or he's not cooperative but before. 904 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,320 That he didn't mention. It but before that there's 905 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,200 another guy that gets tries to seek refuge in that that Hut 906 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,880 that Elliot has to kill so there's a dead body outside and 907 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,560 during the interrogation it gets a little bit heared Sean Connery 908 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,640 slaps around a little bit gets told to go outside and then he 909 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,320 does some improv just. Absolute. 910 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,040 I mean, that's like offence wise, that's abuse of a corpse, 911 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,800 right? I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I mean, 912 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,400 that's like Eve even in the 1930s, that's probably like lose 913 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,320 your job territory when he just picks this guy's dead body up, 914 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,960 interrogates the bit and then blows it's already dead brains 915 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,960 out over the window. It's a good grief And that now, 916 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,240 now that's the Chicago way. So, Pauline. 917 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:51,000 Kael, the film critic, yeah, said that this film was a bit 918 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,160 bland because the good guys were too good and there wasn't any 919 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,280 grey like morality in there. But I would argue that that is a 920 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,120 little bit dodgy and there's a bit towards the end of the movie 921 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,440 where LA Ness pushes a man of a building. 922 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,720 Yeah, for due process is taking place. 923 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,720 I would say that's also a little bit morally grey. 924 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,200 Would possibly the. Pauline Kale. 925 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,120 Didn't watch the whole film, possibly. 926 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,480 I like Pauline. Kale for a lot of her work, but 927 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,520 I do disagree with her on this film and I disagree with her 928 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,800 tremendously on readers. The last arc as well, which 929 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,840 didn't. Yeah, yeah. 930 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,080 I know it's like. Yeah, I mean, Sean Connery's 931 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,640 entire character is like he may as well be wearing a sandwich 932 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,640 board over him, which is like things are grey and by will not 933 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,080 black and white, you know, like he's he's do what he's like a do 934 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,200 what you need to do a get home safe kind of thing. 935 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,600 And if this means blowing the brains out of some dead body, 936 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,440 fine. You know, it's it's it's it's 937 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,360 brutal as well. It it goes to the most gory 938 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,760 thing he can do as well, which is like, you know, blown his 939 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,840 freaking brains out. A very, very quick diversion of 940 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,040 TV in the TV series RIP our street in one of the first 941 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,240 episodes the first season, there's a plot when this this so 942 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,040 river streets like people haven't seen it. 943 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,920 It's like a police procedural set in London shortly after the 944 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,520 track the river killings based in the same like police kind of 945 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,000 precinct, I guess, which was involved like specifically, I 946 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,400 think H division, which was a specific specific like area on 947 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,360 white like the specific precinct, I guess station house 948 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,840 in in in white travel, which was involved with the cases. 949 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,760 And this is this is kind of character gets arrested in a 950 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,440 brothel and he kills himself out of Victorian shame. 951 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,320 And there's this like other case going on and like this guy said, 952 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,480 kill himself in the cells. But like the main guy whose name 953 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,680 I've forgotten the actor and it's like sidekick Jerome Flynn 954 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,360 have to interrogate this other dude. 955 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,320 So Jerome Flynn gets this guy's dead body, fucking hangs it up 956 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,320 by its wrists from the bars in in the cell and just beats the 957 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,040 shit out of it, just beats the brakes off this dead guy. 958 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,640 And and it's like I don't. Have blowing a dead. 959 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,040 Boy's brains out is worse than it probably is because it's like 960 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,160 you're a because I mean, you're making that a closed casket at 961 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,640 funeral, right? I mean, I don't know what's 962 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,440 worse. Just like chinning an already 963 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,880 dead guy or just permanently, irrevably disfiguring a dead 964 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,160 guy, right? So. 965 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,160 So yeah. So it's interesting. 966 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,320 Great. Immorality. 967 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:22,680 So this. Is like right? 968 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,160 The act of it certainly is. I don't know if the film treats 969 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,480 it like it is. There is the this is like the 970 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,960 midpoint of the of the script, right? 971 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,040 And it gets. A bow tied. 972 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,040 On it, when the Canadian officer goes, Sir, do not approve of 973 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,360 your methods and he goes, well, you're not from Chicago. 974 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,160 And it's like, this is them saying right, this, this, this 975 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,560 untouchables, these guys, their unit is set up, they're fully 976 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,560 embedded and they've had to take the fight to Capone's guys on 977 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,360 their terms. Like their violence. 978 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,920 You know, it's a bit like in my favourite films, the life and 979 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,440 death is Colonel Blimp, where there's an incredible speech 980 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,240 between Theodore Christian Anderschildorf and Clive Candy 981 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:05,720 where they say, like, if you want to beat Nazis, you have to 982 00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:08,800 use Nazi methods because if you try and do might is right And, 983 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,320 and be good and respect the rule of law and everything, you'll 984 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,480 get beaten because they, they don't care about that. 985 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,480 And you've got to meet them on that level to wipe them out. 986 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,080 And that is in the script and this as well. 987 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,440 So like when, when Ellie and S is making that case to the judge 988 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,760 right at the end, he's like, I've become that which I've 989 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,800 beheld and I need, you know, and this man's a killer and he will 990 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,520 kill again and I, I need to stop it kind of thing. 991 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,080 That's what he's that's what he does. 992 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,560 So the component parts are there. 993 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,360 So this bit happens at the big point, and that bit is where it 994 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,920 gets to at the end of the movie after he's killed Nitty throwing 995 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,000 off the the building. But the vibe of the film doesn't 996 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,560 really reflect it. Like the we're still kind of on 997 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,480 a roaring high here after like this successful raid. 998 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,680 And then the next thing we get is like a Capone kicking off 999 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,240 about it and being like, really annoyed about it. 1000 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,000 But like, there's no inner turmoil with any of these 1001 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,840 characters. They all fully believe in what 1002 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,440 they've done and what they're doing is right. 1003 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,720 And we as the audience been expected along going. 1004 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,080 Yeah, fuck yeah. Sean Connery should have shot 1005 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,440 that guy in the heads to make the other guy talk, because this 1006 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,240 guy needs to be. Those guys need to be stopped, 1007 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:11,400 and these guys are the good guys, even though they're doing 1008 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,320 the exact same stuff. Think as well his oral. 1009 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,960 Context of when the film came out and what's in the media and 1010 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,760 stuff. And and we're seeing films when 1011 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,400 cops are going to massacre everyone and get away with that 1012 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,240 kind of thing. So, so yeah, like it's watching 1013 00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,600 it and like a 2025 mindset. It's like, oh shit, that's 1014 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,120 that's actually a bit fucking shitty that that's kind of like 1015 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,600 that's, that's that's abuse of a corpse dude, that's messed up. 1016 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,640 But in in like a nightly 7 by instead take, you know, the the 1017 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,040 the police should massacre everyone to see and then kill 1018 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,400 them again once they're dead. So it's it's weird to think 1019 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:43,960 about it. So. 1020 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,800 This this movie came out in 1987. 1021 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,440 We'll see now it's been like 92 years, 90 odd years since the 1022 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,680 the events of this movie took place in 1987. 1023 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,000 It was like 4550 years. Yeah, that's something I was 1024 00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,960 just thinking that they're. Like people? 1025 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,560 Yeah, then. People like alive. 1026 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:03,520 At that point, who'd been involved in that? 1027 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,920 You know, it's a bit like, you know. 1028 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,400 Exactly, exactly. There were guys on set who, who 1029 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,600 were there involved who were like technical, you know, 1030 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,400 advisors and so on. It's a bit like, you know, the, 1031 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,080 the comparison now would be something like Once Upon a Time 1032 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,440 in Hollywood or something like set like late 60s, early 70s, 1033 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,320 you know, so it was much closer to people's living memory at the 1034 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,680 time. Because that's a weird thing. 1035 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,160 I think the other thing as well is because it's the 1930s and 1036 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,400 it's like a foreign country to us like that everyone, even the 1037 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,760 hoodlums, even the worst criminals are coming around in 1038 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,120 these like incredible Giorgio Armani suits and stuff. 1039 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,440 It doesn't land for us the same way as it is now. 1040 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,840 And because. And even though, even though 1041 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,480 again, it's really, you know, white Catholic versus like 1042 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,240 Italian American story essentially that that's never 1043 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,920 really brought into shop relief too much. 1044 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,400 There's a couple of scenes where they talk about it. 1045 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,640 But really if we if we're if we're watching it, there's a 1046 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,440 bunch of white people in a room talking about it. 1047 00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,120 We're watching a bunch of white people shoot each other. 1048 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,480 Yeah. When there's obvious kind of. 1049 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,160 I mean like there's a. Time when like Italian American 1050 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,080 people wouldn't considered white by some people at the time kind 1051 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,160 of thing and like yeah, but in this movie. 1052 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,200 It's Robert De Niro who's like the. 1053 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,080 One of the most. Renowned. 1054 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,680 Actors of his age at the time, you know, I'd be interested to 1055 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,880 see how this movie would have done, how to come out in 1992 or 1056 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,160 something, you know, like immediately after Rodney King. 1057 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,960 I don't know if it would have been that much of a difference 1058 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,680 because it's so different looking than and people might 1059 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:28,960 not have drawn the same equivalences. 1060 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,720 But end of the day, it's a bunch of cops go around shooting 1061 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,280 people, like without any, any blowback on that server, you 1062 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,640 know. Yeah, no real sight. 1063 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,560 Probably overthinking this a little bit. 1064 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,040 I. Don't know, maybe it's all kind 1065 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:44,360 of movie, but don't know so. The next thing we get is. 1066 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,040 Can you kick it off? I want him dead. 1067 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,760 I want him dead. I want his. 1068 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,760 Family den I want his house. Burnt down. 1069 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,280 I want to piss on the. Ashes, one of the greatest crash 1070 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,440 outs instead of history. Yeah, it's all timer crash out. 1071 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,080 All timer, now is a good time to talk about. 1072 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,360 Elliot Ness's wife, we've mentioned it already that she is 1073 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,640 basically not a character. Yeah. 1074 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,680 This was like AI see a golden age in in scare quotes time for 1075 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,520 like the wife of the main character being a thing and just 1076 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,520 not getting any, any characterization She has a like, 1077 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,080 this is Patricia Clarkson's, like, first cinema debut in 1078 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,480 feature film, but it's an utterly thankless role, isn't 1079 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,240 it? Like she's a great actress 1080 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,720 capable of so much more. And she just gets to be like the 1081 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,160 sort of mooning and like, oh, I miss you and oh, you're great. 1082 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,720 Maybe you could come back into my room and wash brush my hair. 1083 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,000 This is like I'm I'm I'm I'm in this. 1084 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,720 Films like so powerfully Catholic that he gots a pregnant 1085 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,040 just by her saying, do you still have some energy left? 1086 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,560 And then like about like 20 minutes later, there's a baby, 1087 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:48,120 you know? No, it's like she she. 1088 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,640 Has done dirty. I mean, she's barely done at all 1089 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,880 by the scriptures, hardly in the film and and it's and it sucks. 1090 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,760 Is that you said really, really good actress, you know, so it's 1091 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,760 kind of up there with a this is the first film we've done a 1092 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,440 thing when she's just said credited as the wife, right. 1093 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,760 I mean, it's actually just credited as Nessa's wife. 1094 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,360 That's what. Credit is so we've had two. 1095 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,720 Films now when the president of the United States has credited 1096 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,840 as just the president, and this is my first one, when a major 1097 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,760 protagonist's wife is just Nessa's wife. 1098 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,840 That's kind of messed up, man. We shouldn't keep a running tell 1099 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,240 you of this because it's a bit sad. 1100 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,960 So the. Next thing we get in this. 1101 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,200 Sequence is the brutal slaying of George, who agreed to 1102 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,280 testify, and Oscar Wallace in that service elevator. 1103 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,920 Yeah. This is probably I don't. 1104 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,920 Want to put words in anyone's mouth here, but this is probably 1105 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,960 one of the more violent sequences. 1106 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,400 I think it's probably the one that's most shocking to me, but 1107 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,160 I'd like to hear anyone else's thoughts on that. 1108 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,320 It's. It's pretty grim second film in 1109 00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:01,680 a row when there's a very fatal firefight in a lift slash 1110 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,080 elevator because obviously smokiness as well had that 1111 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,440 amazing one which which which wasn't A1 sided firefight. 1112 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,240 It's like this one is you just see brutal executions carried 1113 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,280 out by Frank Nitti shooting that poo and nerd lad in the face, 1114 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,360 man. It's it's, it's cold and it ends 1115 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:25,240 in just the absolute violent desecration, blood on the walls 1116 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:30,680 with touchable and stuff. And it's the way it shops like 1117 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,280 just in general, the camera work at like the opening of that 1118 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,880 scene, like, and like the camera shows you that it's front Nitty 1119 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,480 who's got into the lift and he's got a police uniform and he's 1120 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,320 the T1000. I mean, sorry, he's the. 1121 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,960 And yeah, they just, they just get utterly erased. 1122 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,680 It's brutal. They really enjoyed it. 1123 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:51,480 I mean, yeah, yeah, I see this. And then, like, at that point, 1124 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,680 it's like, well, you guys are apparently no longer 1125 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,440 untouchable. And it's like probably more real 1126 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,080 for them that their teams get now getting taken out, 1127 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,320 absolutely thinned out. Appearance. 1128 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,520 Hey, Loki. Let's look at him. 1129 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:13,040 Oh dude, am I the only one here without? 1130 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,360 Access to a cat? Yes, Amanda. 1131 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,600 Thus, that is outrageous and this. 1132 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,560 Is unfair. You are missing. 1133 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:22,960 Great joy in your. Life. 1134 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,920 They should let me keep cats. In the barracks you need a 1135 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,280 barracks cat man. You literally need a barracks 1136 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,160 cat like the Navy cat from like. Was it during World War 2 they 1137 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,800 had the cat and they made him like, oh, they made him his own 1138 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,800 little paperwork. Was it George the One? 1139 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,880 That was rated. As an electrician or something? 1140 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,720 I think so, yeah. That's all the funny little 1141 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,760 jokes in his paperwork. Yeah, yeah. 1142 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,080 It's like. Oh my God, Incredible. 1143 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,840 Oh yeah, I would generally. Get a barracks cat dude. 1144 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,120 Yeah, I would just just. Mike. 1145 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,240 Generally not recommend for the Royal Navy to to take on board 1146 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,720 any German cats. Why have you? 1147 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,640 Not heard of Unsinkable? Sam. 1148 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,560 Yeah, what do you should tell the tale at this point? 1149 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,200 Tell the tale of. Unsingable Sam spin the. 1150 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,240 Dead. So that was if I'm not. 1151 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:23,400 Mistaken the ship's Cat of Bismarck which was rescued after 1152 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,760 the sinking and put on the next best British vessel which then 1153 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,000 proceeded to be sunk and once again the cat was rescued and 1154 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,080 put on another Royal Navy vessel which in turn again was sunk and 1155 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,360 once again the cat survived. They did it like. 1156 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,440 Trauma. 1/3 time but. Eventually they gave him like a 1157 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,680 shore post in Gibraltar or something and they're like we, 1158 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,040 we, we are not letting this cat on anymore ships because what 1159 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,880 the hell. Asset Jubila. 1160 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,800 They should. Have named him Midshipman. 1161 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,080 Holland. Incredible. 1162 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,040 Scenes. That's what it means. 1163 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,920 So good, yes, so the. Untouchables are now touchable. 1164 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,120 A little historical note here as well. 1165 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,640 So the the beginning of the movie, an Alderman from one of 1166 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,360 the districts in Chicago tries to bribe Ness and he's when he 1167 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,760 says, oh, you guys untouchable. Is that it really? 1168 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,360 They were awarded their name from a journalist called Charles 1169 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,440 Schwartz of the Chicago Daily News who coined the term 1170 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,640 untouchables. So just just a little bit of 1171 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,600 history there. This is kind. 1172 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,440 Of where I guess start as. So this kind of way like it 1173 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,960 starts like infer more about like the kind of corruption 1174 00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,400 that's involved in like the kind of police sound of isn't it as 1175 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:37,840 well? Because in first of all, like 1176 00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,560 you say, like someone looks out and says one of the cops has 1177 00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,480 been killed, which is then Loudon Nitty and I said Nessie 1178 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,200 Nitty to get the uniform and stuff or whatever. 1179 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,080 And that then like it's sort of like they're all kind of like 1180 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,880 homes and on the chief of police and how he's dirty. 1181 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,280 And then we'll have this like kind of showdown between between 1182 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,920 him and between him and Sean Connery's character, which I 1183 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,360 think is meant. I think it's a great scene. 1184 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,520 Yes, exactly to say so, Mike. Dorsett is the chief of police 1185 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,640 and his employees, it's a lot more clearly inferred in the 1186 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,240 screenplay that that Malone and and Mike came through together 1187 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,680 at the same time. Yeah. 1188 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,160 And that that Malone's obviously kept his morals and is put him 1189 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,640 back in the police. So he's still walking the beat 1190 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:25,200 as a beat cop 30 odd years into his career, whereas this guy has 1191 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,360 made himself up to a chief because obviously he's played 1192 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,680 the game and he's looked away when he's had to and all that 1193 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,440 kind of stuff. He's also revealed, however, to 1194 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,680 be the source of information for like some of these raids. 1195 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,920 So he's obviously like goes back with him a long way and he's 1196 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,640 trying to help him out. But at this point now it's gone 1197 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,560 a bit too rich for his blood. He doesn't want to be involved 1198 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,560 anymore. And now he's now he wants to be 1199 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,200 out and he doesn't want to help out Malone anymore. 1200 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,120 And he says to Malone, you know, maybe maybe don't get involved. 1201 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,520 Me maybe got a town for a bit, maybe, you know, just keep it 1202 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,920 out of trouble kind of thing and. 1203 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,200 That's no good for. Malone So the inciting incident, 1204 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,520 I guess, is that the DA doesn't want to continue with the trial 1205 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,960 because they've lost a key witness. 1206 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,040 Even though they've got other. Physical evidence to to tie it 1207 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,920 together, which is not strictly true. 1208 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,720 Well, there's two bits that aren't true. 1209 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,000 So in real life at the IRS investigation came to this, they 1210 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,240 preserved the witness didn't get killed. 1211 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,480 So he did testify. The the keeper did testify and 1212 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,360 to the DA was never against it for reputational damage reasons. 1213 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,000 He just always wanted to do it. But for dry effect here they've 1214 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,120 made it. So they need to get another 1215 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,240 civil bullet in order to get it. So they're going to get the 1216 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,880 actual bookkeeper, this of a guy, Walter Pace, I think he's 1217 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,440 came. Walter Payne, sorry, Malone 1218 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,520 needs to get the information about how he's going to find out 1219 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,200 where he is and he's going to get it from his mic. 1220 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,840 And that's why they have that that brawl in the alleyway. 1221 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,080 And it's a great fight and I know you want to talk about it, 1222 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,280 Rory said. Tell me about that fight. 1223 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,320 I'm just to be honest. I've said really all I wanted to 1224 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,920 say I, I like the fact that it's Sean Connery showing the fact 1225 01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,920 that he does know how to throw hands, that he's like 1226 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,120 believable. I mean, I always said that in in 1227 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,760 like the con, like the Connery Bond films, he plays an 1228 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,400 excellent third. He plays an excellent brawler. 1229 01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,120 And most of the films when he has to kind of slap it around a 1230 01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,200 bit and give people a bit of a beat. 1231 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,560 And I think he's really believable at it. 1232 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,360 And it's and it's class to say it's a character of a great 1233 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:21,160 pathos for me. So again, it's it hinted that 1234 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,280 more clearly in the screenplay, but he carries his dad's police 1235 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,120 badge and has the same number as his dad. 1236 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,120 He's living up to that, that memory of his dad. 1237 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,120 And he's like, he's in that think that has been his moral 1238 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,360 compass going forward. He's thinking like, what would 1239 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,360 my dad have done? My dad wouldn't have went to bed 1240 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,840 with all these Italian Americans. 1241 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,680 And their organised crime. He would have told me to better 1242 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,240 get off. So you can see that he's been 1243 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,040 married but isn't married any longer. 1244 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,800 And we don't know that story. We learn precious little about 1245 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,760 him. In fact, Ellie Ness doesn't even 1246 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,040 say his first name in the whole movie. 1247 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,360 So he's he's Jimmy Malone, but you never get a James or a Jimmy 1248 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,800 out of the Ness. So we, we learn precious little 1249 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,560 about him really, just that he's been around the block a bit and, 1250 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:03,680 and he's a. Hard man and he's. 1251 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,680 Probably got quite a lonely life and he obviously lives in a 1252 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:11,920 quite a austere apartment on his own, you know. 1253 01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,040 So when he's doing this, you know, he's put himself out on 1254 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,680 the limb and he's agreed to do it and he doesn't care about the 1255 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,000 consequences anymore. And then now he's having a fist 1256 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,000 fight with the chief of police in his alleyway, bathed in his 1257 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,680 red light. And it's like this. 1258 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,560 This is like his final kind of, we don't know because we haven't 1259 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,200 seen him get killed yet. But this is his final big 1260 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,320 hurrah, really. This is his final big 1261 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,480 contribution to the to the war effort, you know. 1262 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,920 Yeah. Yeah, so he has this fight. 1263 01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,120 It's really physical, really brutal, you know, they both take 1264 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,840 lumps throughout of it, Yeah. That guy bring pulls a. 1265 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,000 Bit of loose wood, starts hitting him with a bit of wood. 1266 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,040 All about the. Wood being used on him. 1267 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,760 Shit, Connery fights dirty as well. 1268 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:52,960 He kicks. The guy in the pods to get the 1269 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,000 other hand, he's a brawl like he's a brawl out. 1270 01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:00,280 As as as you know, he is wanted to do so and he's like, are we 1271 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,360 going to keep? Going around the houses. 1272 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,520 Here he's going to give me what I want, basically. 1273 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,440 I was genuinely. Worried in the? 1274 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,600 Scene and was like, is he gonna kill that guy? 1275 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,880 Yeah, I thought it was gonna go there. 1276 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,600 Hell yeah. Yeah, and you? 1277 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,640 Know and like. If if there's any character in 1278 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,960 this movie that could have done that, it would have been, would 1279 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,760 have been Malone, you know? Yeah, 100% no. 1280 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,520 But nobody. Else in the film is a big people 1281 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,960 of death kind of guy. Well, so Nope, Nope, nobody in 1282 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,360 the police side of things is a big people from the guy who we 1283 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,840 see. Yeah, yeah. 1284 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,800 Yeah. Yeah. 1285 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,600 Malone's death comes shortly. After this, doesn't it? 1286 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,400 It does, yeah. So. 1287 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,520 Malone leaves a message for Elliot and S to go and speak to 1288 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,280 him straight away because he knows where the bookkeeper is. 1289 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:49,720 But before Ness can go and see him in person, Malone is 1290 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,560 assassinated. Essentially, Yeah, that 1291 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,920 fantastic sequence where department has used a steady Cam 1292 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,760 operator, but instead of it just been like an ethereal presence 1293 01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,600 floating through a space like. And this is a good thing. 1294 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,320 Like it was used. In The Shining, really, really 1295 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,440 well, instead of that, it's, it's a person walking through 1296 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,120 space and we're looking through their eyes. 1297 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,960 And he does this a few times in different movies and it's 1298 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,160 really, really well done here. And the way he hammers at home 1299 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,200 is that you see the hands like manipulate stuff. 1300 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:17,640 And I don't know how they did that. 1301 01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,880 If that the camera operator was doing that himself of the Palm 1302 01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,760 was operating that camera and doing it himself, which might 1303 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,480 have been the case. Yeah, it's it's almost. 1304 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,080 If the scene's been ripped from a different style of film, it's 1305 01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,440 it's just these these moments when it deviates a bit from like 1306 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:34,760 like detective movie kind of thing. 1307 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,520 This is one of them. That's fantastic. 1308 01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,880 Just as kind of the kind of slow and sinister pace of this like 1309 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,400 home invasion and it's excellent. 1310 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,240 Sit down and silence. Watch this happens. 1311 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,080 Fantastic. It's it's really menacing. 1312 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,640 As well, like you do generally. Again, it builds attention. 1313 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,560 This one builds tension in lots of different ways. 1314 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,800 Yeah. But yeah, that's one of the one. 1315 01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:56,920 Of the more. Exciting ones. 1316 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,520 It went to the film that came out by Steven Soerberg last year 1317 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,640 called Presents. Didn't you guys see that? 1318 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,840 It's like a ghost story about a family who moved into this 1319 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,000 house, but the house is being occupied by a ghost. 1320 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,320 And Steven Soderbergh operated the camera himself, a lot of it. 1321 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,080 And it's just him walking around the house basically. 1322 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:13,920 And people are having conversations and stuff, but 1323 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,920 it's not shot as if it's not like a bunch of different 1324 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,200 setups. It's like, it's like it's all 1325 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,360 through the point of view of this ghost walking around the 1326 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:21,760 house. It's it's an OK movie. 1327 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:22,880 It's a really interesting experiment. 1328 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,120 That's cool, man. But it's a whole movie. 1329 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,840 Basically of this sequence. And then you get the guy who 1330 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,160 thinks he's got the jump on Malone or relate to believe he 1331 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,520 has and Malone pulls out. He saw no shotgun and chases 1332 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,760 chasing of his house. But sadly that's the trap he's 1333 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,520 walked into. Yeah, that's that's the setup 1334 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,240 and the. Gets a significant amount of 1335 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,840 shots to the to the chest from the front Knitty's Thompson gun 1336 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:55,400 and down man gets gets gets gets sat on the pathway to beat Saint 1337 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,160 Jude personally. It's funny because the whole the 1338 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,080 Chicago wave thing, right? He pulls a knife, you pull a 1339 01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,280 gun. Malone's got a shotgun in his 1340 01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,000 hands. And this is the one moment when 1341 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,920 he give you it from the Chicago wake is from all of Malone's 1342 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,080 character. You should you should think 1343 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,400 there's some guy in his house with a knife. 1344 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,640 Malone's going to give them both barrels And then, you know, just 1345 01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:23,520 say come and get a van to take away this body and then just do 1346 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,040 do a few Hail Marys or something. 1347 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,800 But this is the point when like he kind of deviates almost from 1348 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,840 like the way he talks about like living his life and working as a 1349 01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,120 cop, you know, and this ends up with his destruction, which is 1350 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,680 which I think it's interesting kind of writing. 1351 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:45,200 Not sure I fully like understand what's going on with him. 1352 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,160 Like the character, because like the character that was shown of 1353 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,040 him is, is just going to give the guy both barrels and then 1354 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,040 maybe reload and shoot him again because you know. 1355 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,080 Yeah, it's it's almost. Like a a necessary sacrifice for 1356 01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,440 the state of the screenplay, isn't it? 1357 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,760 Because it's Oh yeah, yeah, back end of Act 2. 1358 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,480 Kind of. Everything's gone bad. 1359 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,040 I get that. But I think from the first time 1360 01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,960 I saw this movie when I was like in my probably early teens, the 1361 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,600 image of Connery crawling along the floor, Yeah, leaving that 1362 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,560 massive blood trail behind is is that that's the indelible image 1363 01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,800 that that that that this movie like was in my brain until until 1364 01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,720 I started re watching it again on the regular in my 20s because 1365 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,080 I love this movie, like until that. 1366 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,560 Happened like that was the. MY1 core memory of it and then I 1367 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,640 picked it up again. But yeah, yeah, horrific. 1368 01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,560 I don't know if a human being would be able to do that, take 1369 01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,880 that many rounds and then make it that far. 1370 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:46,120 And I mean, I mean. Ripped to everybody else who's 1371 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:50,720 eaten half of a Thompson Gunn's drum mag at least to the chest. 1372 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,920 But Malone's built different, right? 1373 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:58,360 But they have to have this scene when he's bleeding out and dying 1374 01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:03,080 in a strong Irish Marran coated fashion, which is and which 1375 01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,680 witches and jokes opposed to Al Capone going to the opera and 1376 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:11,560 crying at Pagliacci in the weak girly Italian American mode. 1377 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,040 You know, it's like, it's like this film has opinions until 1378 01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,640 he's told about it and then he starts laughing. 1379 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,040 And it's like, oh, it's yeah, Grim. 1380 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:21,160 Yeah, yeah. That is. 1381 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,200 That is. That is, that is. 1382 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:28,319 Grim Ness and Stone. Finding Malone's body, Yeah. 1383 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:29,960 As he's still alive, he's he's still alive. 1384 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,319 Yeah, and he's going for the. I think he's going for the. 1385 01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,600 Saint Jude puts it in his hand. And he just throws out of his 1386 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,560 hands and he's actually dull. He's final. 1387 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,960 He's final act. He's final act. 1388 01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,800 Just telling them where the where the the bookie was going 1389 01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,200 to be. Yeah, that's. 1390 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,279 That's enough. And his final? 1391 01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:45,880 Words as well. He kind of barks them up. 1392 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,880 The music's swelling really, really high at this point. 1393 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,399 So you don't you don't probably hear and he's coughing up loads 1394 01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:53,200 of blood and stuff. But he he but he gets his final 1395 01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,120 words are what are you prepared to do? 1396 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,399 And then he dies and it's like, and that course that is like the 1397 01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:00,520 the big theme of the movie, isn't it? 1398 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,840 For for the Untouchables. What are they prepared to? 1399 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,720 What depths are they prepared to sink to again? 1400 01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,960 I think you get to lost a little bit in the hi ho silver kind of 1401 01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:12,520 fun of it all. But yeah, a more artsy fartsy 1402 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,600 film. I've linked more on that. 1403 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,319 I wonder if like David. Mamet, Kind of. 1404 01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,760 Workshop having his last lines to be sheer end of the lesson. 1405 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:22,840 There's a lot of yeah, so this is a classic. 1406 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,640 Mamet thing isn't there's lots of repetition of different 1407 01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:25,720 little phrases throughout the movie. 1408 01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,120 So we, we have that and then the next thing we get is one of 1409 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:33,120 probably the greatest, most iconic bits of cinema that has 1410 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,479 occurred purely because of a budgetary constraint, which is 1411 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:42,040 the Odessa steps homage in the in the Chicago train station. 1412 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,960 So just to I'll, I'll let you guys run with it, but I'm going 1413 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,720 to, I'll set it up by saying that in the screenplay, there's, 1414 01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,680 there's two sequences that I will cut out. 1415 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:55,920 And the first is there's a whole frankly ridiculous sequence 1416 01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:01,440 where they look for the bookkeeper because the 1417 01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:05,360 bookkeeper is betting on the ponies and the ponies betting on 1418 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,560 is called Paymaster. And they decode that and realise 1419 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,800 they're going to go and find the race where Paymaster's running. 1420 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,120 And they go to this place. Turns out it's all a big set up. 1421 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,200 There's a giant gunfighter that happens. 1422 01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,000 Most people die, including what they think is the bookkeeper. 1423 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,280 Turns out it's a decoy and they discover it by ripping off a 1424 01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,440 fake moustache of him. So they don't that's not in the 1425 01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:28,320 movie. And then the next sequence not 1426 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:30,640 not my not. My missed opportunity. 1427 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,040 Of the movie Wait a minute, this is a. 1428 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,040 Fake bookkeeper pulls up a little boustache. 1429 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,560 Come on man. Yeah. 1430 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:41,920 And then? Malone's like looks. 1431 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,120 Like we're back to square one. It's actually all is lost. 1432 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,960 But you can, yeah. And this is like, yeah. 1433 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,600 That doesn't need to be there. So that's like 5 or 6 pages you 1434 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,520 can get out. The other bit, the big climax 1435 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,680 where they get the real bookkeeper was meant to be 1436 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:59,200 taking place on a moving train. So Ellie and S in stone like 1437 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,880 rush ahead and park their car in the middle of the tracks and 1438 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,000 then hide it back further along the train. 1439 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,520 I guess this doesn't make much sense. 1440 01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,560 And then they hop onto the train as it's moving and fight their 1441 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:13,360 way through the carriages to get to the bookkeeper. 1442 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,840 And on the train is like a priest and some of the 1443 01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,920 civilians, like a like a small child and stuff. 1444 01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,880 So it's not quite the same. Neither of those sequences I 1445 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,760 don't think would have worked quite so well as what we get in 1446 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,400 the final movie, which is this single location, really clear 1447 01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,720 geography of what's going on. Amazing sequence in the train 1448 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,360 station, you know, as our marriage is barshit Percentkin 1449 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,800 with the the baby stroller going down the steps. 1450 01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,320 Yeah, Rory, this is this is definitely your your wheelhouse 1451 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:42,880 shoot outs. So I'm going to I'm going to 1452 01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,760 hand to you and everybody, please. 1453 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,920 Yeah, this is this is so my wheelhouse. 1454 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,560 This is, I just watched this scene just earlier before we're 1455 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,720 sort of recording just to kind of remind myself of it. 1456 01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,840 It's, it's 9 minutes long and it just, it packs so much in that 1457 01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,400 didn't need to go as hard with this, that didn't need to make 1458 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:01,520 it this good. And yet it is. 1459 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:06,640 It's incredible from the opening beats of it, from the angles, 1460 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,680 it's shot at the echoes of Stone's footsteps through, 1461 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,640 through the through the building. 1462 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,920 And that's getting himself and that kind of. 1463 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,080 Like essentially kind of Overwatch position and then you 1464 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,160 start to see people coming out and then there's sod and, and 1465 01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,480 then there's a old woman with the baby thing and it's like, 1466 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,720 ah, he's, he's, he's got to be the crusading good guy. 1467 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,280 So he's got this fucking shotgun under his jacket. 1468 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,280 He's just bringing this kid up slowly, slowly. 1469 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,760 And like the mom's like, oh, wow, you're so nice, you're so 1470 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,040 nice. And he's just not seeing a 1471 01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,880 fucking thing because like he's like, this is bad. 1472 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,520 This is really bad. Why the hell am I doing this, 1473 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:43,400 man? Why the hell am I being a 1474 01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,680 gentleman at this point? Just and then when you start 1475 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,480 seeing the kind of filtration in of the bad guys and they're 1476 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:54,760 coming through when like there's no clear like frontline of kind 1477 01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,960 of contact in in in the scene. There's no like the white hats 1478 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,880 on the left and the black hats on the right kind of thing. 1479 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,760 It's obviously you've, you've, you've got both of our. 1480 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,000 Heroes. Are in like kind of odd 1481 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,200 positions for the for the gunfight, right, Because Ali and 1482 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:13,720 S is essentially like around him right pretty quickly and then 1483 01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,640 storm kind of runs in from from go on. 1484 01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,920 I was going to say Ness. Is almost essentially in what? 1485 01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,840 You'd call like a kill corridor, basically, yeah, he's put 1486 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,080 himself. Into the like because he's. 1487 01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,960 Enclosed on either side by higher, higher ground down a 1488 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,760 straight line funnel and he's blocked by the bollards on the 1489 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,280 yeah, his side of the so the the stairway is is broken up into 1490 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,360 three lanes essentially with two sets of bollards going down them 1491 01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,800 hand rails, even footballs and yeah. 1492 01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,360 So he's, he's stuck there like trapped on like one side of a, 1493 01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,520 of a, of a Yeah. And then just. 1494 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,360 He gets the carriage. Almost to the top of the. 1495 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,320 Stairs and then that one guy he'd previously beaten up who 1496 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,880 comes out and it's like it's on. There's one he like literally 1497 01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,440 one more step for this thing. He turns round and just just one 1498 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:02,720 handed tags on the shotgun and it's off and it's crazy. 1499 01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,840 And I love the mom's reaction. I just love how ape shit she 1500 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,160 goes because you would and it's like you're watching her whole 1501 01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,160 arc, whole development is all this is a really nice guy who's 1502 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,840 who's who's who's helping me with the baby characters. 1503 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:16,280 Oh, you're so gentleman, you're so nice. 1504 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,720 It's so cool. And he's not said anything like 1505 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:24,160 be cool, but I'm a federal agent and run a job kind of thing. 1506 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,200 He's he's just been stoic and stalwart. 1507 01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,280 Maybe he doesn't like talking to women that much. 1508 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,120 You know, I mean, we're all a bit on the spectrum here. 1509 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:36,480 He he, he could have that going on, but then he just whips out 1510 01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:38,360 with emotional support. 12 gauge. 1511 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,880 It blows this guy away. The bomb is just screaming, just 1512 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,240 going fucking nuts. And straight away, there's just 1513 01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,800 this massive amount of gunfire as Buddy Stone runs over with a 1514 01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,320 pistol in each hand. You see some excellent 1515 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,480 headshots. There's those bits when those, 1516 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,120 those poor fucking sailors just try to help, man. 1517 01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,280 Those poor guys, poor guys, they're. 1518 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,440 In a. Peacetime Navy that didn't 1519 01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:05,720 expect this shit to happen on the streets of the streets of 1520 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,040 Chicago. They didn't expect it to happen 1521 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:09,920 at all. And, and, and they get zapped 1522 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,240 and it's kind of like this is the point when it goes so slow 1523 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,080 emotionally, so balletic. It's brilliant. 1524 01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,560 And you notice how Elliot Ness was like ambidextrous in this 1525 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,880 film, right? Like, like, like, like, like, 1526 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:24,880 like he shoots with his right hand, his left hand. 1527 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:26,880 I saw that because he the first shot. 1528 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,600 He takes is with his right hand, isn't it? 1529 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,280 Yeah. So he's yeah, yeah. 1530 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,880 So. He's so he's using a shotgun 1531 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,520 right-handed, he drops that, he switches with side on which he 1532 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,720 pulls out from the cross draw holster like on Razam Pit. 1533 01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:44,920 And then when Stone gives him as as as well a pistol, he's using 1534 01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,200 his left hand because he's holding the baby carrier with 1535 01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:48,800 his. Right hand and stones holding it 1536 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,160 up with his Yeah, feet but but but. 1537 01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,480 In but in the raid. Scene at the start of the film, 1538 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:58,440 I'm sure you see him holding as 1911 in his is it 911? 1539 01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:02,160 I think it might be in in his in his in his left hand. 1540 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,000 So I'm I'm incredibly autistic about guns. 1541 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,360 I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, there's, there's just, 1542 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,000 it's merciless. The violence. 1543 01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,800 There's there's not just blood, there's, there's, there's, 1544 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,120 there's gore. There's bits of as, as my wife 1545 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,520 pointed out, brain matter splattered around. 1546 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,440 Then it gets to the real. Climax, the real, real 1547 01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:29,400 culmination of it, when Elliot Ness and Stone managed to stop 1548 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,720 the baby carriage. And there's that one guy who's 1549 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,640 like, I'm getting out of here with with, with the bouquet 1550 01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,840 Baron. The amount of sweat that's 1551 01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,480 pissing off the guy. It's, it's, it's, it's 1552 01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:42,720 incredible. It makes Tom Sizemore look 1553 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:47,560 positively dehydrated. You know, like, like, I mean, 1554 01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,840 I've read this segment of references now, but that video 1555 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,800 when Papa John Schnatter was like having this crash out and 1556 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,680 he's like, these people don't know pizza. 1557 01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,120 Like I know pizza. I've had like 31 pizzas the last 1558 01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,560 28 days. And, and, and he's just more 1559 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,120 sweat than man. There's that fantastic scene. 1560 01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,720 There's a fantastic combination that everyone knows that it's 1561 01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,280 one of the fucking best parts of film when. 1562 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:09,200 It's like you. Got him. 1563 01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:13,000 Yep, I'm going to countdown 1, take him bang blows his fucking 1564 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:18,400 brains out and then there's just a significant amount of gore on 1565 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,040 the wall. The guy falls down dead. 1566 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,720 Mike, you were saying in the screenplay, doesn't it say that 1567 01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,840 his head just erupts? Stone Roses, his gun and. 1568 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,120 Fires and the bodyguard's head disappears in a shower of blood. 1569 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:30,320 That's what it says in the screenplay. 1570 01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,360 It's like, that's pretty horrible. 1571 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,200 That's actually that's like, actually more gory than what? 1572 01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,560 Happens on screen. Yeah, that, that's the the. 1573 01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,720 Tarantino version of Rambo, isn't it? 1574 01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:41,840 Holy craft? Yeah, it's pretty. 1575 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:42,480 That's. Crazy. 1576 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,800 There's nothing in the arsenal it's going to make someone's 1577 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,800 head completely disappear unless it's like a 12 gauge at fucking 1578 01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,120 incredibly close range. 2 There's two really cool things 1579 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,680 like the. Sequence ought to raise. 1580 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,480 The 1st is when Elliot Ness knocks eyes for the guy who's 1581 01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:57,760 got the bandage on his nose. Yes, Yeah. 1582 01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:58,680 So that's the one, the screenplay. 1583 01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,000 Don't think. And that's the bodyguard that he 1584 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,400 punched in the face, in the stomach. 1585 01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:04,560 Who's? Coming down to. 1586 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,200 Stop him when? He goes to Lexington to to 1587 01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:11,720 confront Al Capone and he's like, because he's like, you 1588 01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,200 killed my friend. And like, I was like, I don't 1589 01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,240 care. And he punches him in the face 1590 01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:15,520 and goes, do you think he cares? Now? 1591 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,040 That's that guy. So that's a really cool bit of 1592 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,600 like, that's him going right. It's on now. 1593 01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,080 Because I know that guy. These are these are these are 1594 01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,480 his guys. I know that guy, so that's 1595 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,480 really cool and that guy knows him as well more. 1596 01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:29,920 More the point, that guy, like, it's like the boat. 1597 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:30,960 You're the guy punched me in the face. 1598 01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:32,240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, like. The both. 1599 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:33,640 The both. Aware of each other at the same 1600 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,080 time. And that's when everything 1601 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,560 changes and it's fucking go time. 1602 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,520 That's why he's got to make the hard man making a hard decision 1603 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,440 thing of letting the fucking baby go. 1604 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,800 Emma, by the way, it was like shit, shit, shit, shit, shit the 1605 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,680 whole time with that baby carriage. 1606 01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:47,960 Yeah, the way that how? Brutal. 1607 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,040 This video or movie was, I was like, that baby's not making it 1608 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,680 out of this video too. They're not afraid to the 1609 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,720 carriage takes fire. It gets shot as a whole, Yeah, 1610 01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,600 at least, at least, at least. Once it takes one hit, right 1611 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,480 like towards, it's like real, real, real. 1612 01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:08,880 Yeah, difficult. Thing I want to point out was we 1613 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,480 get early exposure to the weapon that Andy Garcia throws to 1614 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:16,040 Elliot Ness. So because if it if it if we 1615 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:17,560 hadn't seen it earlier in the movie, it would have been a 1616 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:19,520 cheap trick to go. By the way, I know you'll say it 1617 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,600 just happens to have two guns. But when Sean Connery is trying 1618 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,800 to goad him at the beginning of the shooting range, he doesn't 1619 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,240 pick up the pistol he's just fired with. 1620 01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:29,600 He picks up a second concealed weapon that he's got on his 1621 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,000 person, which is a really small, some of those, yeah, like Silver 1622 01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,280 1. And that's the one that he 1623 01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:35,680 throws to LMS. Yeah. 1624 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,960 It's like, I love that this guy's going through police 1625 01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,040 Academy, right? And he's got a fucking backup 1626 01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,800 gun for his, for his literal training sessions. 1627 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,080 It's like this is this is this is the guy that you want. 1628 01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:54,400 It's like, it's like he's like, listen, 2 was one and one is 1629 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,240 none, right? But but I. 1630 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,200 Love, obviously the. Because because it's like, based 1631 01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,800 on, like you said, the really iconic scene of the Odessa steps 1632 01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,160 and battleship attempt. And, and I don't think the baby 1633 01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:08,960 survives in that film, by the way. 1634 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,200 It's I watched that scene earlier and yeah. 1635 01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:14,080 And I think it's, well, it's will, it will, it's inferred 1636 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,800 that, you know, like the whites wipe out pretty much everyone in 1637 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,280 those steps, including the the baby. 1638 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,440 Brutal. You've got like these, that kind 1639 01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,280 of interesting scenes. Well, it's obviously like the 1640 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,760 scenes in a battleship attempt in the the baby's looking so 1641 01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,000 distressed, like incredibly distressed. 1642 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,720 And in, in, in, in the Untouchables 'cause there's only 1643 01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,880 so far they can go. The baby isn't looking that like 1644 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:42,840 agonised. You know, that step scene is is 1645 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:46,320 riffed on and it's a little trope of itself and it's got ATV 1646 01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,080 tropes page. And so France had a quick look 1647 01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,480 at other things in which it's been kind of sent up. 1648 01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:54,480 So in films, I don't agree with 100% of these 'cause it's like 1649 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:59,720 all these really homages. In the film 71, Gary knocks over 1650 01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,080 a woman pushing a pram while being chased by Ira gunman. 1651 01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:08,200 That doesn't sound right. In the film Brazil, there's a 1652 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,160 short sequence that remakes the three most iconic shots, but 1653 01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,480 with the baby carriage replaced by a vacuum cleaner. 1654 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,920 That's probably legit because. Rob De Niro's in both Evil 1655 01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:21,200 Easter 3. Ozu shooting the Nazi ape in the 1656 01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,760 eye recreates the famous eye scream from the scene, which is 1657 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,160 incredible, but something. Something that made me laugh 1658 01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,360 here can't. Speak to that. 1659 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,600 One it references a film called. Fantazzi Fantazzi There is a 1660 01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,440 film in the film in this Italian work. 1661 01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:40,920 No, I've never heard of this film, but it sounds actually rad 1662 01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:43,960 in the. 2nd installment of the movie. 1663 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,120 Series The titular white collar worker Hugo Fantazzi is forced 1664 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,440 alongside his colleagues to watch a much longer parody named 1665 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:55,480 version of the movie as a routine ritual demanded by his 1666 01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:57,760 boss. It is during the Odessa step 1667 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,800 scene when the protagonist snaps and yells to me Battleship 1668 01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,880 Katyompkin is nothing but crazy bullshit. 1669 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,480 Then the narrator, Fantasi himself and first person remarks 1670 01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:13,880 in an epic tone. 82 minutes of applause ensued. 1671 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:17,720 This film sounds bonkers. We also have the French 1672 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,640 Connection has two and we're not pushing a baby card being shot 1673 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,440 and so listening it. Plus a shootout down a 1674 01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:25,000 staircase. No, I wouldn't see the stack you 1675 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,280 see in the French Connection isn't a March to the battleship 1676 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:32,000 attempt and seen at all. I mean, it's no, no, this is 1677 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:37,040 this is like there's a lot of reaching done on on TV trope 1678 01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,080 stop if stuff stuff happens on the. 1679 01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:43,680 Stairs like John Wick 4 is a really long fight on the steps 1680 01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:47,480 up to Sacre Kurd as I count. Probably not it segment, just a 1681 01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:49,520 moment I saw. Ellie walking down the step, the 1682 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,160 stairs. So that's that's my cats now in 1683 01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,960 her own little battleship Potemkin scene. 1684 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,880 So that's wild to me. I think apparently there's like 1685 01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,480 a homage to it in the second season of Andor as well that I 1686 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:03,400 haven't seen yet, but I'm trying to think where that would be do. 1687 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,200 You want us to pull it up? I'll tell you. 1688 01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,600 I'll tell you. What it claims it is. 1689 01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,760 In season 2 episode 8, a contingent of storm to us 1690 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,920 descends a set of broad Plaza stairs by the firing of a crowd 1691 01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:14,680 of Israel protesters assembling. Yeah. 1692 01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:18,640 I mean, if it's so, so, so was it like the steady of like 1693 01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,120 marching steadily down and shooting at them kind of thing? 1694 01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,880 Yeah, Like, yeah, that bit, that bit, that bit. 1695 01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:23,800 Yeah, that bit. 'S accurate. 1696 01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,440 And then they're kettling. What is it? 1697 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,880 They're kettling a lot of people into a big courtyard. 1698 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:33,040 Yeah, so. Yeah, that, that sound kind of, 1699 01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,040 yeah. I mean, because obviously again, 1700 01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,640 iconic thing about the that's a step scene is the fact that the 1701 01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,800 the like white troops are kind of marching in like lying down 1702 01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,080 the steps and just shooting, marching and shooting again kind 1703 01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,920 of things anyway. Yeah, that, that. 1704 01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,320 Was a that was a clear and present diversion like about 5 1705 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,400 different films before we move on from the. 1706 01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,680 Train station sequence. I just want to for the flow over 1707 01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,400 to Sanya and Jen, if they've got anything to add. 1708 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,720 Yeah, why not? I was just the. 1709 01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,040 I need. To rewatch that scene. 1710 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,800 Because I don't know where the those Nate, where the Navy men, 1711 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,400 where they came from, they just like popped up and were shot to 1712 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:13,680 do that. Crazy. 1713 01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,800 Yeah. OK, I thought I was imagining. 1714 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,080 That I'm like, I need to go back and watch that because I don't 1715 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:22,400 know where they came from. The steps were completely 1716 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,080 emptied like almost the whole time and all of a sudden now 1717 01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,440 there's people getting shot and then they're just taken out by 1 1718 01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:31,960 bullet and then poor Malone's like taken out by like 50 1719 01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:37,520 bullets and still walking or not walking but I was like I. 1720 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,840 Just found that fascinating. So that's the power of an. 1721 01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:45,720 Irishman It's the power of Irish Catholicism, those those 1722 01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,600 sailors, Protestants, that explains it. 1723 01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,040 Lutheran's just one shot. Done. 1724 01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,800 Funny if you got anything to. No, at this point, no. 1725 01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,320 OK, cool. I will say one thing here. 1726 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,400 The bookkeeper is played by Jack Kehoe. 1727 01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:04,480 I don't know anyone knows this guy. 1728 01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:07,800 I know primarily from being in Citico. 1729 01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,040 I just want to get that mentioned for the third time in 1730 01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,160 three podcasts. I love that movie. 1731 01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:17,560 So with that, they have the silver bullet they need to take 1732 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,360 Capone to court. So the final bit of the movie is 1733 01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,120 this trial, I guess. So we get, we cut straight 1734 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,240 pretty much to the DA, the bookkeepers on the stand. 1735 01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:31,840 And the DA is saying, we're going to have you decipher all 1736 01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:36,440 of these entries into Ledger and we're going to have you say 1737 01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:38,800 where all the money is going. And he's like, he's kind of 1738 01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,200 bullying him a little bit. He's like, yes. 1739 01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,040 He's like, oh, louder. I didn't quite hear you. 1740 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:47,600 So you've got Ness is in stone and they're sat right behind the 1741 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,400 the where the DEA is sitting and they look at a cross over to to 1742 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,720 Al Capone and Frank Nitti and his defence. 1743 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,760 And they're all looking pretty happy with themselves. 1744 01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,080 And they're getting a bit riled up like this guy, you know, 1745 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,760 we're we're we're hammering the nails in this guy's coffin and 1746 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,040 he's smiling like, what have they got? 1747 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,800 What's going on there? And they notice Frank Nitti is 1748 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,840 packing, packing some heat. He's strapped in the courthouse, 1749 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,800 so he's like that guy's got a gun, gun in the courthouse. 1750 01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,080 Get the get the bailiff of her. So they want to escort him out. 1751 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,560 And so they do. And you see, you see, for the 1752 01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:23,840 like final time, you see his wife, like that's his wife in 1753 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:25,920 the back of the courthouse watching I'm. 1754 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,440 Also here. I'm also here. 1755 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,720 Yeah. It doesn't explain what they do 1756 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:30,360 with her. They pack. 1757 01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,760 Her off in the night at the beginning of the movie, you 1758 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,480 don't really see her again for ages in the screenplay. 1759 01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,240 So that she's been her off to have a baby. 1760 01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,920 Yeah, it's. Like it's like, it's like, it's 1761 01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,280 like it's almost if we're taking an unwanted pregnancy of like a 1762 01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:43,360 Hollywood Starlight or something. 1763 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,400 And it's like, you know, they in the screenplay, she's in a. 1764 01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,080 She's in a prison in Wisconsin under protective custody. 1765 01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,160 Anyway, they get Nitty outside into the hallway. 1766 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,240 And this would be a callback to the very beginning of the 1767 01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,240 screenplay, but it's it's a scene that's cut from the 1768 01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,000 screenplay. But what happens is the guy says 1769 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,840 I've got a permit and they empty his pocket's out. 1770 01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,440 And it says, and he has, he produces a small note that says 1771 01:27:04,440 --> 01:27:06,960 that used to be afforded all the protections and whatever he 1772 01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,200 wants signed by the mayor of Chicago. 1773 01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:11,920 And he uses. That in the. 1774 01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,320 Screenplay. He uses it in the very first 1775 01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,680 scene right after he's put the bomb in that pub and blows up 1776 01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,760 and kills that child. You get stopped by a bike cop as 1777 01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,880 he's driving away and he produces that note and the bike 1778 01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,440 cop salutes him and drives away. But they cut that from the 1779 01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:27,920 movie, and I think that's probably a good thing because it 1780 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,560 hammers in that they've placed a corrupt too early. 1781 01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,320 I think that needs to be like a trickle in, like you need to 1782 01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,880 realise it as the movie's going. What happens though, is Ness 1783 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:39,000 steals his packet of matches and then wants to light up a 1784 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,400 cigarette when he's outside. And he sees in the match book 1785 01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,280 that it has Malone's address written down. 1786 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,080 And he puts one-on-one together and goes, you're the guy who 1787 01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,840 killed my friend. And he flees and starts to 1788 01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:51,640 chase. Excellent. 1789 01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,760 I love it. I really like that through this 1790 01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:00,040 film, when there's like there's there's they go like double 1791 01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,160 action revolvers used right. There's a lot of like close-ups 1792 01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:06,760 on on on the revolvers shown that they are correctly in like 1793 01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,440 the hammer back position. When when when like the the 1794 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:12,320 triggers like pulled further back, like a shorter pull and 1795 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,440 like Emma, Emma, look, you see, that's how it works. 1796 01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:16,280 Something works, you see, you know, like fucking demonstrate 1797 01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,000 and do I succeed? This one's really accurate. 1798 01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,120 It's like 4 years married hasn't killed us yet, right? 1799 01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:24,920 It's great. I love I love a good rooftop 1800 01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,160 chase and stuff like that. There's one bit. 1801 01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:29,960 I thought might have annoyed you, but you haven't identified 1802 01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,120 it. Which is when they run out onto 1803 01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:36,360 the rooftop and Nitti shoots at Ness and he rolls over the side 1804 01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:40,280 and lands on that little platform by pure chance, rolls 1805 01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:43,080 on that platform as Nitti keeps running away. 1806 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:47,360 He turns around and tries shooting at where Ness is and 1807 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,400 gets like a dead man's click. Yeah. 1808 01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,040 And then the next thing we. See is. 1809 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,720 A mess actually getting up off that, panelling off that 1810 01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,880 platform and then climbing back over the roof again. 1811 01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,680 So like, what was he aiming at? Yes. 1812 01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,120 What? No, it didn't piss us off, 1813 01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,240 actually. I also was quite impressed to 1814 01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,600 see Nitty reloading as well because obviously that's the 1815 01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,920 next thing he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1816 01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,720 And it's like. It's, you know, it's the 80s, 1817 01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,080 they're often kind of getting guns wrong in films. 1818 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,680 And it's nice to see, you know, buttons being handled by people 1819 01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,720 as if they know how to handle them. 1820 01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,880 It's also period film, so I don't need to get mad when 1821 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,360 people aren't doing correct trigger discipline because 1822 01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,000 apparently it wasn't a thing according to all the historical 1823 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,040 photos to say, you know, like, like people run around with the 1824 01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,640 fucking booger hooks on the bang switches and it's like, come on, 1825 01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,520 man, I am. I am terrible to walk past like 1826 01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:41,800 film like kind of post us with with a Max uncle finger finger 1827 01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,120 fucking booga hook off the bang switch son. 1828 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,320 I want to call out. Maybe we should do it in 1829 01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,000 casting, but I'm going to do it now anyway. 1830 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,640 Billy Drago, who, who plays Frank Nitti is, is phenomenal in 1831 01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:55,600 this film. And I don't know, he's he's 1832 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:57,880 looking his career. He's been in lots and lots of 1833 01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,560 stuff in small rules. And when you know it, he plays 1834 01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,520 like an evil bad guy in most stuff because he has a pretty 1835 01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,560 like, almost quintessential evil grin, Right? 1836 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:07,720 Yeah. Yeah. 1837 01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:09,800 But he's really menacing in this. 1838 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,920 And he's of a known for credits on on of the calibre of this. 1839 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,760 Like it's like Delta Force 2 with like Chuck Norris or like 1840 01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:21,720 Tremors, Tremors 4, you know, he says the last thing he did was a 1841 01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:25,520 yet another remake of The Hills Have Eyes in 2006. 1842 01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,800 Yeah, but but this is brilliant. And he's really good in this. 1843 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,520 And he he's really menacing, properly menacing. 1844 01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:37,320 And I say that because, like, for all the moral ambiguity that 1845 01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,240 goes on in this film, it is still genuinely like, super 1846 01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:41,760 satisfying when he gets through that building. 1847 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:44,040 You feel bad. I feel bad as a human being. 1848 01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,360 But like, when you when they love offering, he's like, he's 1849 01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,800 like, you know, but your friends screamed like a like a like a 1850 01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:51,400 stuck Irish pig. Think about that. 1851 01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,520 When I, when I, when I beat the rap and he's like, fuck, you're 1852 01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:55,840 going to beat the rap. I'm going to kill you. 1853 01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,520 Yeah, man. Where's Nitty? 1854 01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,440 He's in the car. Oh man, bars. 1855 01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:02,520 What a lane. Hold up. 1856 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,520 His writing is this fire. Yeah. 1857 01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:06,240 So that that's. Really cool. 1858 01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,560 And then I'm just going to I'm going to barrel through the the 1859 01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,040 end of the movie because we've been out of there Stone. 1860 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,560 Finds through looking. Through the belongings that was 1861 01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:19,680 taken out of his pockets and left before the the chase 1862 01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,320 ensued. That one of the things he's got 1863 01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,960 is the list of all the jurors and the bribes that have been 1864 01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,440 paid. Are they sidebar? 1865 01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:28,960 With the judge. To try and get the a mistrial or 1866 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,720 get a new jury. The judge doesn't want anything 1867 01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,640 else to do with it. He's like, oh, this is this 1868 01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:33,720 doesn't there's no evidence for this. 1869 01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,520 And it's like, mate, it's so obvious and it's really obvious 1870 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,880 that he's, he's obviously, he's obviously been paid off as well. 1871 01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:41,800 But he tells him, doesn't he? Like he says. 1872 01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,120 After the fight, Oh yeah, SWAT told him he was on the island. 1873 01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:48,080 I mean, sorry, on the list in the lecture in in the Epstein 1874 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,640 book, I mean, I mean the Capone lecture, Yeah, absolutely. 1875 01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,120 And then there's a line. Actually, in the screenplay that 1876 01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:59,480 is not in the film and it's it's it's probably like almost too, 1877 01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:02,000 too fine a point on it because it's pretty obvious what's just 1878 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,240 happened. But it quotes that bit from the 1879 01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:05,960 Bible in Proverbs. Where is it? 1880 01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,880 Here we go. The evil flee where no man 1881 01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,800 pursueth. That's what that's what Ness 1882 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,120 says. Again, more bars. 1883 01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,960 But but the the point being that the guy, the guy's got a guilty 1884 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,120 conscience and even though we have no evidence he was in the 1885 01:32:17,440 --> 01:32:19,880 Ledger just saying it was enough because he knows which is done 1886 01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,120 wrong. So yeah. 1887 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:24,160 So they swap out the juries with a with. 1888 01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:25,640 A with a divorce. Case. 1889 01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,400 Yeah. Are divorce cases heard by 1890 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,080 juries in America? Because that's wild. 1891 01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,040 I don't think anymore. Because it's a civil action, 1892 01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:34,920 right? You don't have a jury for a 1893 01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,400 civil action. But I don't know what happened 1894 01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:40,040 in 1930. I I think it's. 1895 01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:44,200 Just like you go through a lawyer and send off a shit tonne 1896 01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,280 of paperwork to a judge and they sign off. 1897 01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,920 As far as I know, yeah. I wonder if it was much. 1898 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,520 Harder to get a divorce in 1930, probably. 1899 01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,360 You know, like women. When a lot of bank. 1900 01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:56,360 Accounts. Were they back then? 1901 01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,120 No, that was. Not allowed until like the 70s 1902 01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:05,000 because I work for a financial institution and we always have 1903 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:09,280 to do. Tests and quizzes. 1904 01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:09,920 To make. Sure. 1905 01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:13,920 We're up to date on everything and that is in there like women 1906 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,680 not allowed to have bank accounts and need to be a have a 1907 01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,520 cosigner if they wanted loans and things like that. 1908 01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:25,400 So yeah, I'm going to doubt that a divorce was easy in recent 1909 01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:27,280 30s. That's terrible. 1910 01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:28,240 OK, cool. So. 1911 01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:32,120 We're right at the end of the movie and the judge has now been 1912 01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:37,080 shamed or is afraid of the what, what, what truths might come 1913 01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,240 out. So he switches the juries. 1914 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,120 This. Finally puts. 1915 01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,640 The wind on Capone's defence on Capone's like, what are you 1916 01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:46,960 going to do about it? What do you do about it? 1917 01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,040 He changes his plea from a not guilty plea to a guilty plea. 1918 01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,080 But the music swells in this. Is it? 1919 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,320 Either way, he's going to be going down and they'll be 1920 01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,600 seeking the maximum a sentence possible. 1921 01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,920 And it just turns into absolute pandemonium in the courtroom. 1922 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,160 And I love this bit. Just everyone's crowding around 1923 01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,440 the the reporters are trying to get in their nests. 1924 01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:06,880 Doesn't want any of that. He wants to go and confront 1925 01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,640 Capone. It's just really, really 1926 01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,120 brilliant movement. It's tremendous. 1927 01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,400 It is absolutely. Meant it's great. 1928 01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:17,280 It's like just when, when, when you say finally the legal system 1929 01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,520 is doing the right thing after after everyone being gang fucked 1930 01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,240 by like the law for like significant amount of the film, 1931 01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:29,320 even even fragnity with us, like get out of PE letter that he's 1932 01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,920 got, you know, like just just going to lay off this guy. 1933 01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,640 You know, it's like I'm on the mayor and shit and it's like 1934 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,880 finally you see civil society doing like the right thing at 1935 01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,200 the end of the film. And it's like all it took was 1936 01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,120 like the deaths of some of the most beloved carrots in the 1937 01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,720 films and also a lot of like extraneous people who didn't 1938 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,760 have to get killed. Little girl at the start, those 1939 01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,520 two sailors who were only trying to help if being Catholic that 1940 01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,320 was survived the shots, but the Lutherans that done and and and 1941 01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,720 it's just yes, it's like the payoff is tremendous. 1942 01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,240 The payoff's tremendous. The swell of the music. 1943 01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,160 It's mint. Yeah, you get the you got. 1944 01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:08,120 Another callback to another David Mamet esque through line 1945 01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:09,840 for the movie as well. So one of the things that keeps 1946 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,680 coming up is, you know, you don't call a fight until the the 1947 01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,080 prize faces from the punch and the other guys, one guy's down, 1948 01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,560 the other guy's standing up, but it comes back again. 1949 01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:21,960 You know, you keep fighting. You keep fighting until the last 1950 01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,040 man standing here endeth the lesson. 1951 01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:27,200 So yeah, that's cool. So that's really, that's really 1952 01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:29,200 gratifying. It's a really good pay off and 1953 01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:31,520 the music again sells it. That's that big triumphant 1954 01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,080 fanfare again that I mentioned earlier. 1955 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:35,640 And then you got the final a little bit, and I wasn't sure if 1956 01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:38,280 this bit would have made it in. If you've just read the 1957 01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,000 screenplay, this might have got cut. 1958 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,240 But actually it does kind of work. 1959 01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,640 Is Ness back in his office clearing all down all the press 1960 01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,600 clippings and put them away in files, reflecting on all the 1961 01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,280 violence that's happened over the last, like however long he's 1962 01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:51,640 been doing this for years, I think. 1963 01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:56,840 And the final little line of the movie is the reporter that I 1964 01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,480 think it's the same reporter, that first spokesman when he 1965 01:35:59,480 --> 01:36:02,800 first arrived and took the iconic photograph and all that 1966 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,960 kind of stuff, he says. You know, I hear. 1967 01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:07,200 They're going to repeal prohibition. 1968 01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:10,400 What are you going to do? And he goes, well, think I'll 1969 01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,920 have a drink? The crowd goes wild. 1970 01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:14,840 Bro it goes wild because it was never. 1971 01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:16,320 About It was never about drinking. 1972 01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:17,640 It was about the law of the land. 1973 01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:21,160 Yeah, very cool. Oh, nice. 1974 01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,600 Well, it's just just to. Explain to. 1975 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,800 Everyone who's listening and not watching what what that is just. 1976 01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,160 So my. Kitchen is essentially. 1977 01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,160 A theme, Pablo. It's a crazy crap on the wall 1978 01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:36,840 and I have pulled from it postcard of some people 1979 01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:40,760 protesting prohibition. Bunch of guys in these gob 1980 01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:45,080 marching down the street holding little American flags and big 1981 01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:48,800 signs reading We want beer. So for all of you who are doing 1982 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,640 this theatre of the main, that's what I've just pulled out. 1983 01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:54,880 Tremendous cool. Well, here end of the lesson and 1984 01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,400 here, end of the movie. Yes, I do. 1985 01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:19,560 Give me that action. Always stopping. 1986 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,240 And pounding. Come on under. 1987 01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:22,360 Arrest. Hey this. 1988 01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,600 Isn't right, Hey. There's no good. 1989 01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:28,520 Final warrant Oh, here's my warrant. 1990 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,880 Or what? Welcome back. 1991 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:39,080 I was going to talk through. Some categories of the movie, as 1992 01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:42,640 we often do, first one we often talk about is casting and 1993 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:46,320 normally of the smaller bit players in the movie, whatever 1994 01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,280 stuff they've been in and their rule in this movie. 1995 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:54,720 So in that in that we all know who Kevin Costner is, although 1996 01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,720 at the time people didn't necessarily. 1997 01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,200 This is the same. He has his big breakout through 1998 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,240 No Way Out. The first movie would be covered 1999 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,720 very much like a guy in his rookie season pretty much 2000 01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,160 getting a shot at the big time. And this, this, this movie 2001 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:09,240 catapulted him into stardom, I think. 2002 01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,680 But again, surrounded by seasoned actors the likes of 2003 01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:17,160 Sean Connery, Robert De Niro, but some the normal first in 2004 01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:19,200 this movie. I mentioned earlier on Patricia 2005 01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:20,880 Clarkson's first role was in this movie. 2006 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,440 A lot of people know her now for being one of the cool parents in 2007 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:25,200 Easy A. But yeah, great. 2008 01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:28,760 Or Tammy Wan from Parks and Rec, I mentioned earlier Jack Hew, 2009 01:38:29,480 --> 01:38:34,880 who is a great that guy actor, but his most known for roles. 2010 01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:39,640 He plays one of the Ben Coppers in Superco who's the 1st cop who 2011 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,800 tries to get Frank Silico to take a take a bribe. 2012 01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,360 He's in The Sting as well. He's here a kid, and he's also a 2013 01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,520 Midnight Run with Robert De Niro as well as Jerry Geyser. 2014 01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,520 Midnight runs a fantastic film. I mean, we should cover one day. 2015 01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,600 We should indeed. God damn. 2016 01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:57,360 He has done a lot. He has done a significant amount 2017 01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:02,240 that would go Serpico. Obviously thermal TV's is once 2018 01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:06,240 again another one of the the that guys who was in Quincy, MA 2019 01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,920 Twilight Zone. It's done a lot of great things. 2020 01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:13,160 He got out of acting in 1997, but he but he only passed away 2021 01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:16,160 in 2020. Guess he was just. 2022 01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,000 Resting on some. Resting on some royalties and 2023 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,080 residuals. Good for him. 2024 01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:22,240 Someone we didn't mention, but we don't. 2025 01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:25,040 Need to because he's not he's he's famous enough Andy Garcia. 2026 01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:28,120 I forgot to mention him yeah, a lot of people will know him from 2027 01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:29,960 oceans 11. I mentioned last week that also 2028 01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,240 he was in I'm a Mia here I go again. 2029 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,880 But and and the Garf all that Part 3. 2030 01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,360 That was a big one. And here's a one that you're not 2031 01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,840 going to be expecting. Do you guys know who John 2032 01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:47,400 Barrowman is from Doctor Who? Captain Jack from Doctor Who. 2033 01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:51,920 So he is one of the policemen in the line up doing the the firing 2034 01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:53,280 range. No fucking way. 2035 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,920 Well. He really has. 2036 01:39:55,960 --> 01:40:00,200 Been around for a while then. Very good. 2037 01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,760 Yeah, that was my most. Interesting 1 of Castig anyway. 2038 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:06,720 Yeah, cool. Any any of those I was. 2039 01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:07,720 Going to. Mention Billy. 2040 01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:11,560 Drago's filmography because like you said, this guy's done an 2041 01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:15,400 insane amount of work. Does he second a bit parts and 2042 01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:19,360 tiny things and then you'll like do do like just major kind of 2043 01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,720 films like this and like with which have budgets, you know, 2044 01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,440 and then like a few years later recent like fucking walk at 2045 01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:27,160 Texas Ranger. So you know what? 2046 01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,080 This is sad, but. I feel like you kind of fell. 2047 01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:34,640 Off a little bit after this film because he's done like like you 2048 01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:38,000 did I mean he did like pale right our own stuff you know 2049 01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,080 and. Christ, he was in trouble. 2050 01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,400 John, MD. Brilliant mush. 2051 01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:47,720 Mush yeah, after. The Untouchables, he does kind 2052 01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,800 of fall off, which is a shame really. 2053 01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:55,280 I mean that kind of sucks. He's he's he's busy. 2054 01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:58,360 He does a lot. He was in, for instance, secret 2055 01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:03,200 games, straight to video gun crazy death ring in a three lady 2056 01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:08,280 dragon 2 the outfit, deadly heroes, Cyborg 2 glass shadow. 2057 01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,920 He also did the adventures of Briscoe County junior. 2058 01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,840 A lot of this stuff was like straight up like like a cut out 2059 01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,760 bin at blockbuster. But he's he's he's he's putting 2060 01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,640 in the work. I mean, as you said, he's a guy 2061 01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:23,240 who who plays the villains, but so many of these films that he's 2062 01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,400 done and shows, I will tell you one thing, have fucking really 2063 01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,480 cool names, really cool titles that I want to watch. 2064 01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:31,440 For instance, one of these things, one of these ones is 2065 01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:33,840 called Blue Devil. Blue Devil. 2066 01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,720 I want to watch that like now because that sounds class. 2067 01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:42,920 And then he said something called Soccer Dog the movie. 2068 01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:47,080 So so this guy who I think could have played a really good T1000, 2069 01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,640 I was only partially joking when I said he was T1000. 2070 01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:53,000 It's up in a film called Soccer Dog the movie playing the dog 2071 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,000 catcher. He was also in that monkey 2072 01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,160 business film. Is that the one when like I have 2073 01:41:58,160 --> 01:41:59,960 to be very careful what I'm saying with this film? 2074 01:41:59,960 --> 01:42:02,240 Hold on, I won't be sure I'm doing yes it's the one I'm 2075 01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:04,480 thinking of. Two ex cons tried to frame the 2076 01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:06,320 good guy detective who sent up a gaol. 2077 01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,960 However, a group of kids shut the gangsters operation down 2078 01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:11,720 with the help of some friends from the animal Kingdom. 2079 01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:15,440 These films don't sound real. The sound like something from 2080 01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:17,240 Bojack horse but it's ridiculous. 2081 01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:21,720 He was a Nash Bridges will you fuck sorry while you were going 2082 01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:23,320 for that extensive. List of his filmography. 2083 01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:27,520 I was looking at Charles Martin Smith, who played Oscar Wallace. 2084 01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,480 Yeah, little guy. Yeah. 2085 01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,160 He was in it. And I. 2086 01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,320 Didn't know this existed. They made another TV series with 2087 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:40,640 the Untouchables in the 90s. Yeah, it had. 42 episodes. 2088 01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:47,360 In 1993 and he played like a a judge in like 1 episode but 2089 01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:50,040 Ellie and Ness was played by a guy called Tom Amandez. 2090 01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,160 A guy called Paul Regina played Frank Andini. 2091 01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,800 The only two people who I know from other stuff are in it. 2092 01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,720 John Reese Davies by Gimli. Yeah. 2093 01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,080 Salah from Jones. Yeah, I played Agent Michael 2094 01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:02,000 Malone, right? Yeah. 2095 01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:04,600 And Michael Horse. Who you might. 2096 01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,440 Recognise from Twin Peaks. Get in. 2097 01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:11,240 He is agent. George Steelman. 2098 01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:13,320 But yeah, that's it. Really weird. 2099 01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:14,880 Sorry, just just threw that in there. 2100 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:15,920 I have. I have. 2101 01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:23,320 The vaguest memory of watching the The Untouchables ATV series 2102 01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:27,520 that you mentioned on Sky One back in the day sounds about the 2103 01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,760 kind of thing I have. One of the vaguest. 2104 01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:33,560 Memories of it also have a second weird Mandela effect with 2105 01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:36,200 some of the and this kind of ties into the series thing. 2106 01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:39,640 We had Mandela effect with with with Sean Connery because I was 2107 01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,320 convinced there's a scene in the film and after after Malone's 2108 01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:47,000 been killed, you see his body in like the Mortuary and like the 2109 01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,800 kind of like lifting up the the kind of like, you know, sheet to 2110 01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:52,320 show his face and stuff. I was convinced that was in the 2111 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,440 film. And I wonder if that is is in 2112 01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:59,320 the TV series, maybe because because in hindsight, it's not 2113 01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:02,560 going to be in the film because Sean Connery won't learn another 2114 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,120 accent. He's not going to sit for five 2115 01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,320 hours to have people put dead guy makeup on him, right? 2116 01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:08,840 You know, he's like. No more, there's. 2117 01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:12,240 Dead guy shit, you know, he's fine playing a dead guy. 2118 01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:15,280 Well, a dying guy, but he's not going to like sit there and get 2119 01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,000 the deathly power shit put on him. 2120 01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:22,000 So I think that's where ME went. Mandela Effect on that comes 2121 01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,680 from. I tried to see if there was any. 2122 01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,520 Redemption for our poor little girl in the beginning. 2123 01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:31,360 Her name is Aditra Cole and no, that was the only movie she was 2124 01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,560 ever in and so she was traumatised. 2125 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,160 Like I was blown up in this movie. 2126 01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:39,400 Never again, man. I just have this idea of like 2127 01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:45,040 sure, show his parents push never to be the kid that gets 2128 01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:48,320 exploded and afterwards she's like, that was actually shit. 2129 01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:51,240 I wanted more lines. You're a terrible momager. 2130 01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,360 And then she just quits and then she does off Broadway stuff 2131 01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,840 after that. Shall we proceed to quotes then? 2132 01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:00,760 Yeah, yeah, OK. I'll let you kick off already. 2133 01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,240 Since you have an interesting quote you want to do so I. 2134 01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:09,880 Love the scene when Malone's like Italian detected racism 2135 01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:14,400 activated. So it's it's when he started 2136 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,520 giving Stone shit about his names. 2137 01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:19,560 What's your real name? That is my real name. 2138 01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:22,560 What's your before you change it Giuseppe Petri. 2139 01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:24,840 I knew it. That's all you need won't even 2140 01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:29,000 whop on the team. I had the weirdest again Mandela 2141 01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,640 fact about this. I was convinced in the film he 2142 01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:35,560 called his name an Ellis Island. Hand me down right. 2143 01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,280 I was convinced that line was in the film. 2144 01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,000 And you know what? That line's from An episode of 2145 01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:46,360 Malcolm in the Middle. Now this. 2146 01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,160 This. This right is. 2147 01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:52,640 Maybe a tick in my wife's got a running chart. 2148 01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:56,280 I think of does Rory have CTA from quite a few bunks on the 2149 01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:57,920 head. I wonder how I'm getting fucking 2150 01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:59,120 CTA. Might I tell you what? 2151 01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,240 Because like I was convinced our some Ella silent hand me down. 2152 01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:04,320 That's your real name. Like no, no, it's like literally 2153 01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,160 it's like a racist old lady in an episode in Malcolm in the 2154 01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,040 Middle says says someone's name is an Ellis Island. 2155 01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:14,520 Hand me down, yeah. Just that. 2156 01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,600 Whole scene is eminently, eminently quotable. 2157 01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,120 Your long term memory was like. I'm going to put that in the. 2158 01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,760 Same bit of the filing cabinet that Sean Connery lives in. 2159 01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,920 Basically it's like I. Say that you're a lying. 2160 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:29,360 Member of a no good race. Much better than you, you 2161 01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:35,120 stinking Irish shit pig. I like him. 2162 01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:38,160 Incredible. But it's like, did we just 2163 01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:39,800 become best friends? Yup. 2164 01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:43,480 Brilliant. Absolutely. 2165 01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:46,640 That's great all, my favourite. Lines in this movie all come 2166 01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:49,080 from Jim Malone as well, when he first meets Nest and he's got 2167 01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:52,080 the the night stick and he's like, OK, pal, why the Mahaska? 2168 01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,560 Why are you carrying a gun? So what's the origin of the the 2169 01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:55,840 word Mahaska? I love it. 2170 01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,800 Yeah, Mahaska. What the fuck's amazing? 2171 01:46:58,240 --> 01:46:59,880 Why are we still saying that? Why are we saying? 2172 01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:01,960 Straps and packing it little bit. 2173 01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,520 I'm carrying. I've got my mahaska. 2174 01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:09,720 I've got bahaska. Yeah, Bahaska, the word Mahaska. 2175 01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:13,240 At all it's sake like it's like the Dollar General version of 2176 01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:16,800 ayahuasca, you know like it's like you want you want to really 2177 01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,880 trip balls and purge some black format out. 2178 01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:20,920 You go for the mask on me. Come on. 2179 01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,240 And then he's. Like, wait a minute, what the 2180 01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:25,320 hell kind of pleats when you go to this goddamn city, you just 2181 01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,800 turned your back in an armed man, secure treasury officer. 2182 01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:29,200 How'd you know that? I just told you that. 2183 01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,800 Who would claim to be that? Who was not like, like a wise 2184 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:38,240 old Yoda, I was gonna say. He's like violent Yoda and it's 2185 01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,400 like. We would claim to be that who 2186 01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,680 was not? Yeah, that's like that's like 2187 01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:44,720 turn. My. 2188 01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:52,760 Body Cam off I will. Resistant, you must stop. 2189 01:47:53,440 --> 01:48:02,840 A badge you carry. A gun you must, officer. 2190 01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,160 Prone Isness. Reporting for duty. 2191 01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,200 Oh my God, right. I've got 2. 2192 01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:15,480 So 1 is is the one I wrote you guys earlier, which is just this 2193 01:48:15,480 --> 01:48:19,920 is amazingly out of context. Like is this the guy that can 2194 01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:25,080 finger Capone? It's like, OK, guys, this is 2195 01:48:25,080 --> 01:48:28,680 taking a weird turn now. I mean, this is very, this is 2196 01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:32,040 very liberal for a prohibition film, but what? 2197 01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:35,120 With this consent? With this consent what? 2198 01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:36,760 Is going on in that top floor of that hotel. 2199 01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:38,600 You know what? And the. 2200 01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:42,400 Other one is just just one. It's just that moment in the 2201 01:48:42,400 --> 01:48:48,680 train station where when SS take him, that really shows the 2202 01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,560 change from that. I want to get him, but I want to 2203 01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:55,440 get him like legally and cool and I don't want to do anything 2204 01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:00,240 that is like too extreme. He sort of has to get convinced 2205 01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:03,680 to even shoot someone, and then he's just like, take the shot. 2206 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:07,800 Yeah, He's like, shoot that guy. Yeah, explode. 2207 01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:12,000 His head explode his head with. Your 30 head calibre extra 2208 01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,560 special I think I know we. Mentioned this at the beginning, 2209 01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:20,120 I think You pull a knife or you pull a knife, you pull a gun. 2210 01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:22,560 He sent you the hospital, you send the one to the morgue. 2211 01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:27,040 It's the Chicago and it sets the it's just like very extreme. 2212 01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:30,800 It's just badass bars. That's iconic. 2213 01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:32,880 Isn't it? Yeah, yeah, that's one of those 2214 01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,800 clips I'll dig out on YouTube around again just to just to 2215 01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:38,240 enjoy that scene again. Yeah, get yourself pumped 2216 01:49:38,240 --> 01:49:39,440 before. You don't have you or something? 2217 01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,120 Yeah. That's the Chicago. 2218 01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:43,640 Way. That's the Chicago way. 2219 01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:46,640 Hell yeah. You pulls a knife, you'll pull a 2220 01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:47,920 gun. Yeah, so good. 2221 01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:51,960 And there's a there's a there's a behind the scenes little 2222 01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,080 featurette that I watched today where they talk about some of 2223 01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:56,480 the stuff in the production of the movie. 2224 01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:59,160 And Sean Connery is just giving an interview and he quotes that 2225 01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:01,960 entire monologue just in the interview and it's just as good. 2226 01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:03,920 Let's try and find it. I'll turn it to fucking 2227 01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:06,160 treasure. I like the bit where they're 2228 01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,280 interviewing. They're trying to find the the 2229 01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:11,280 two new recruits and the one they they talk to before they 2230 01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:12,600 get to Andy Garcia. Yes. 2231 01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,320 And he he like just can't. Talk. 2232 01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:15,520 He's like, why? Do you want to be a police 2233 01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,440 officer? He's like to protect the to 2234 01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:18,800 protect the. I'm not looking for the. 2235 01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,440 Yeah, book answer. Why do you want to join the 2236 01:50:20,440 --> 01:50:21,720 force? The force? 2237 01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:22,640 Yeah. Why do you want to join the 2238 01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:24,840 force? Because I I think it could help. 2239 01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,160 I think you think you could help with the force. 2240 01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:28,920 Thank you very much. You've been most helpful. 2241 01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:30,360 There goes the next chief of police. 2242 01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,360 So good. Absolutely brilliant. 2243 01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:38,360 That's also not in the screenplay. 2244 01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:40,600 Like the screenplay really. Like needed some work to make it 2245 01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:44,320 funnier. My favourite one, of course. 2246 01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:48,280 Jim Malone firing his gun to stop a suspect from running from 2247 01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:50,360 away from him in the Canadian countryside. 2248 01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:53,680 Right? Enough of this running shit. 11 2249 01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,720 people found that one helpful and I maintained that might have 2250 01:50:56,720 --> 01:51:01,200 been an ad Lib because I think, I think Sean Connery probably at 2251 01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:04,560 this point had a, there was like a ticking clock and how much 2252 01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,880 he'd run in a film. He's not going to exhaust 2253 01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:09,480 himself for these people. He's Sean Connery at this point, 2254 01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:11,160 man. He's like, I'm going to run a 2255 01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:14,640 bit, then I'm going to stop ticket, you know, But he's 2256 01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:16,120 kicking off for that guy. As well. 2257 01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,120 Back in the cabin and he's like, you're mucking with AG here pal. 2258 01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:21,360 You'll hang as high as payment unless you cooperate. 2259 01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:25,280 Yes, Hag as high as. Him and love that. 2260 01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:33,720 Oh, that's so good. I'm sorry, I'm dying, Needle. 2261 01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,480 Drops we talked about. Enya Morricone's incredible 2262 01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:38,240 score earlier on. Somebody got labour on this. 2263 01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:40,800 There was a couple of Duke Ellington pieces in the movie as 2264 01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:44,640 well. Oh, and obviously Pagliacci as 2265 01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:47,680 well. Trivia. 2266 01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,160 OK, right. So. 2267 01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:54,160 Ordinarily on trivia I would just go up to the list of IMDb 2268 01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,680 and read through that, but I've got some other trivia as well 2269 01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,920 that I found for this movie. Looking for a list of the 2270 01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:05,920 inaccuracies that I detected from my Internet research that I 2271 01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:08,200 did today. Capone never stored any of his 2272 01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:11,480 booze in a federal building, so the he never stored A1 in a post 2273 01:52:11,480 --> 01:52:15,960 office, for instance. Ness predominantly hit locations 2274 01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:17,520 where the booth. Was made or sold. 2275 01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,440 So he wasn't. He wasn't tracking shipments or 2276 01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:22,200 going to customs yards. He was going to like speakeasies 2277 01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:25,240 and like breweries and distilleries. 2278 01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:30,120 There were up to roundabout 10 guys in the Untouchables at any 2279 01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:33,320 one time and a sort of a bit of a bit of a rotating door. 2280 01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:35,320 They had different jobs. There was a guy who was like a 2281 01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:39,960 handwriting analysis experts. There was like a a wiretap guy. 2282 01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:41,880 There was they were doing lots of their own rules. 2283 01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,680 So it wasn't just like 4 guys with guns like kicking down 2284 01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:46,040 doors and and shooting people. It was. 2285 01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:48,680 It was a pretty sophisticated operation, which isn't really 2286 01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:53,720 shown in the movie because it's not as fun the whole way that Al 2287 01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:54,280 Capone. Got. 2288 01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:57,640 Stitched is totally different in real life. 2289 01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:01,400 So the tax evasion was proved similar to the screenplay, not 2290 01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:03,960 so much in the movie, but they discovered of all the different 2291 01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:07,880 companies and that were feeding his organisation, one of them 2292 01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:10,160 was a dog track. And the Ledger from the dog 2293 01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:14,320 track hadn't properly encoded his entries and was making 2294 01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:17,480 payments to just Al, which is like really obvious if if, if 2295 01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:19,080 everyone else has got like all these fake names. 2296 01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:22,640 So then they got the handwriting from that Ledger and linked it 2297 01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,960 to to another Ledger in the organisation and made the 2298 01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,200 connection that way like a legitimate thing, managed 2299 01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,800 something like that. And that's how they did that at 2300 01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:31,360 the bookkeeper. Lived testified at Kapoor's 2301 01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,160 trial. Ness and Kapoor only met at the 2302 01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,240 trial and not earlier. Ness wasn't involved in the 2303 01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:36,680 trial really. He was just spectating at the 2304 01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:38,200 trial. He wasn't like sat right at the 2305 01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:39,960 front talking to the DA or anything. 2306 01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:43,560 This is all the IR SS investigation and his was just a 2307 01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:47,720 bit of a side piece. And I mentioned that Frank Nitti 2308 01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:49,400 isn't killed like he was in the film. 2309 01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:51,280 He survived. He took on Capone's operation 2310 01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:55,440 for another 12 years after this and didn't die until he killed 2311 01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:59,000 himself the eve of his own trial when he was getting done. 2312 01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,920 But one thing that is true, which I was surprised that after 2313 01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,920 all that was that the juries were really bribed and they and 2314 01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:09,360 they were really switched like in like in the movie, which is 2315 01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,160 pretty cool that as well. So that's so that's that's the 2316 01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,520 history bit. Have you got any cool trivia? 2317 01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:17,560 I have some great. Trivia, especially based on 2318 01:54:18,360 --> 01:54:21,040 actors in the weird shit to do so. 2319 01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,640 So Sean Conway turned up with the shoot in his golf clothes. 2320 01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,240 They did a close up and Sean was dismissed for the day. 2321 01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:30,200 Andy Garcia and Charles Martin Smith grabbed them after the 2322 01:54:30,200 --> 01:54:33,160 scene and said that was very clever of you, you just got back 2323 01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:35,840 from golf, turn up for 5 minutes and do your scene and that's it. 2324 01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:39,920 Con returned to them and said this is not my first BBQ. 2325 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,960 That's brilliant. So De Niro wanted. 2326 01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:49,320 To wear the same kind of silk underwear as Al Capone, the same 2327 01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:52,080 style of silk underwear as Al Capone wore, I would never be 2328 01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:53,040 seen on camera. But. 2329 01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,640 But the producers, knowing De Niro's reputation as a method 2330 01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:59,960 actor, gave in. There's a limit, right? 2331 01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:05,520 I mean, I guess at least his method acting isn't the kind of 2332 01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:08,840 oh, I'm going to be a menace to my to my colleagues, like like 2333 01:55:08,840 --> 01:55:11,960 Jared Leto playing the joke. All right, Like, like that's 2334 01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:13,360 just been a bad fucking Co worker. 2335 01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,160 But it's like, I mean, I'm, I mean, I'm not going to argue 2336 01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:21,520 Robert De Niro's acting chops, but do you think he asked to 2337 01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:24,520 keep the underwear if you were in a position if you. 2338 01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:26,280 Were Robert De. Niro and you were in a position 2339 01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:29,720 to make that kind of demand. But if you would, right, like if 2340 01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:32,720 you had the, if you had the choice to to wear Robert De 2341 01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:36,680 Niro's, Al Capone's underwear, yeah, I would do. 2342 01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:39,640 It I'd do it. Yeah, definitely full. 2343 01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:41,960 Heartbeat. Yeah, and Bob Hoskins was 2344 01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,280 initially signed on to play Al Capone, but then Brian De 2345 01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,800 Palma's first choice, Robert De Niro, became available. 2346 01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:50,280 Hoskins still received a $200,000 paycheck from De Palma 2347 01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:53,800 for being a great standby. By God, Hoskins late. 2348 01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:56,160 I used to tell the anecdote that he asked De Palma by there were 2349 01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:58,800 any other movies he didn't want them to be in. 2350 01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:01,880 It's so good, isn't it? I love that one. 2351 01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:04,320 Yeah, a bit of a casting. What if he had? 2352 01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:07,560 Don Johnson was offered the role of Eliot Ness, but declined. 2353 01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:09,480 Can you believe that? So this is. 2354 01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:11,760 This is 3 years into his Miami Vice period. 2355 01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:15,840 Yeah. I don't think he would have fit. 2356 01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:19,640 Like the sort of Jimmy Stewart, Gary Cooper, like good guy role 2357 01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:22,440 that that that's required because he barely hangs it 2358 01:56:22,440 --> 01:56:25,120 together in Miami Vice. He's like a he's like a deadbeat 2359 01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:30,200 dad in Miami Vice, pretty much. Yeah, he just doesn't have the 2360 01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,840 same energy that Costner brought to the role. 2361 01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,640 I think. I think a lot of I think a lot 2362 01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:36,760 of what Costner brings to the rule work with us here. 2363 01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:39,200 A lot of what Costner brings to the rule is that there's not a 2364 01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:44,240 lot of Costner like like not a crazy out there guy. 2365 01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:48,360 Like like the players are very kind of mild and kind of dull 2366 01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:51,760 character really. Like I mean Ellie Elliot S 2367 01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:54,720 wouldn't be a good hangout. Like you know it would be cool 2368 01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:57,600 do to hang out with, you know rest of the team would be a 2369 01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:00,720 great hang. You know, it would be great to. 2370 01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,400 Go on the piss with. Malone, you know, forget about 2371 01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:04,560 it. He's fighting everyone. 2372 01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:07,480 Be amazing, you were saying. I was just thinking about a 2373 01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,040 similar rule. That he had in terms of his type 2374 01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:14,680 of character, is when he plays Ray Kinsella in Field of Dreams. 2375 01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:17,240 Yeah, where he's he's just got. Like a wide. 2376 01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:19,360 Out of optimism. And there's just like a little 2377 01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,760 Boy Scout, which is the same kind of rule he's doing here, 2378 01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,320 except he's a Boy Scout with a gun here. 2379 01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:25,680 But he taps into the same energy in No Way Out. 2380 01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:27,960 But he makes that work because of the twist at the end, right? 2381 01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:29,760 Yeah. But he's not this corn. 2382 01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,320 Fed Iowa boy. He's actually like a, you know, 2383 01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:34,440 but he's also a corn fed Iowa boy. 2384 01:57:34,440 --> 01:57:36,080 He does. We had shit like eating bugs off 2385 01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:37,680 a windscreen. Elliot Ness wouldn't eat bugs 2386 01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,040 off a windscreen. Elliot Ness wouldn't do any of 2387 01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:42,680 this stuff. You know, he said quite a 2388 01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,040 dispassionate guy. I mean, the only that kind of 2389 01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,680 real passions he has is there's a little bit of violence, 2390 01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:51,240 there's a bit of vengeance in him and there's the holy that 2391 01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:53,120 tells his wife he's going to have sex while then she's 2392 01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:55,560 pregnant and then she's got a baby like a year later. 2393 01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:59,920 So, yeah, like there's there's there's not a lot of like Pzazz 2394 01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:02,080 and vim and vigour and verve and Costner's performance. 2395 01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:06,800 And that's what makes him he's a good guy palette that you can 2396 01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:10,200 kind of like put your own opinions of what he would should 2397 01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:11,760 be on kind of thing. You know, like he doesn't have 2398 01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:14,480 like complexities that someone like Don Johnson might have 2399 01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:16,080 brought The rule is what I'm saying, I guess. 2400 01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:17,760 Yeah, man, I agree with you on that. 2401 01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:21,480 Yeah, because Don Johnson comes with his own a baggage. 2402 01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:23,560 You're absolutely right. Because he has like he's just, 2403 01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,320 he's carrying a lot more personality in his face. 2404 01:58:26,720 --> 01:58:29,720 Yeah, we're actually discussing. Like a family function where 2405 01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:32,800 we're discussing Kevin Costner's acting last night, and I was 2406 01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,280 told, what's Yellowstone? Because Kevin Costner is not 2407 01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,880 very like Kevin Costner in it. Yeah. 2408 01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:41,600 Yeah, I agree with that. Another actor who could have 2409 01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:43,800 been like him, I think is Gary Sinise. 2410 01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:46,440 Yes, he also has a similar. Kind of. 2411 01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:51,280 Like every man could could just be a really bland, yeah, blank 2412 01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:54,400 slit kind of character as well. Probably got market corrected by 2413 01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:55,840 Kevin Costner. Yeah. 2414 01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:57,080 What? I don't know if it's. 2415 01:58:57,200 --> 01:59:00,920 Really a lot to. Do well it's Capone but proven 2416 01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:05,160 fact not quite movie related that he did start a soup kitchen 2417 01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:08,760 in Chicago to try to rehabilitate his image and then 2418 01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:12,920 the unproven Not really. They were trying to attribute 2419 01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:17,280 the invention of expiration dates on milk to him after his 2420 01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:19,880 sister got sick, but that's unproven. 2421 01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:22,000 So. But I found that tidbit 2422 01:59:22,040 --> 01:59:24,720 interesting. I've kind of related that to the 2423 01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:27,920 beginning with the beer being brewed incorrectly. 2424 01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:29,680 And I was like, oh, maybe that's it. 2425 01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:33,520 But I could not find any evidence that he actually did 2426 01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:35,280 responsible for that. It's amazing. 2427 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:36,720 That's wild. Yeah. 2428 01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:38,000 That's really interesting. Yeah. 2429 01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:41,840 There any more Capone facts? Yeah. 2430 01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:47,360 I meant to ask my. Dad about that to see if he 2431 01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:54,120 could give me any tidbits and I I did not hear back from him in 2432 01:59:54,120 --> 02:00:02,160 time for this so. Too late to for a. 2433 02:00:02,360 --> 02:00:06,640 Post podcast but if I find out anything, you know but yeah 2434 02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:09,040 yeah, yeah, yeah let's. Learn more. 2435 02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:10,480 We'll, we'll wait an update, yeah. 2436 02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:11,160 We'll have. We'll have. 2437 02:00:11,160 --> 02:00:13,320 We'll have an update from you. Fantastic. 2438 02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:14,960 Sounds good. I think the final thing before. 2439 02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:17,000 We move on is. I'm singing a good a good double 2440 02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:19,080 header for this this movie. If you want to watch a double 2441 02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:22,240 bill would have been does you any of you happen to see that 2442 02:00:22,240 --> 02:00:25,920 movie The high Women, I think it's called, which is the movie 2443 02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:28,760 where, yes, Kevin Costner plays. That's right. 2444 02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:32,080 Yeah. the US is it US Marshals, Texas Rangers? 2445 02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,440 It's the Texas. Rangers go after Bonnie. 2446 02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:35,960 And Clyde? Correct. 2447 02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:38,200 Yeah, I saw it when it came out. In 2020, I haven't seen it 2448 02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:40,440 since, but I remember that being really, really good. 2449 02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:42,360 Really good. And it gets. 2450 02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:46,640 The guns so right as well. Cool modern machine rifle baby 2451 02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:51,480 sat on straight spread hitting vacant man, they're all. 2452 02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:55,280 Words, right? Continuing with the categories, 2453 02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:58,800 I'm not going to ask Sonia how would actually No, Sonia, how 2454 02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:01,960 would this go down? How would this have gone down 2455 02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:02,720 in? Germany. 2456 02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:06,120 This is Pablon Berlin, right? I guess but. 2457 02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:08,440 Can you like? Imagine the concept of 2458 02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:12,960 prohibition going down in be a country like that'd. 2459 02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:15,440 Be weird. It's like. 2460 02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:18,240 Like I. Don't know that that'd be riots 2461 02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:20,040 the second someone tried something like that. 2462 02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:28,640 You want me to do what? He's drinking, Excuse me, I 2463 02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:32,840 mean, I don't know about about you guys, but like drinking a 2464 02:01:32,840 --> 02:01:36,200 such a huge part of professional culture as well over here. 2465 02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:40,360 Like, I mean, I, I know the Navy things and whatnot. 2466 02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:44,040 I know the Americans are a dry Navy now, but we we have like 2467 02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:48,400 things where you'll have like a glass of ports on the bridge 2468 02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:53,320 with all the offices or like beers after getting into port 2469 02:01:53,320 --> 02:01:56,240 with all team on the flight deck. 2470 02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:59,600 So bridge, bridge to fridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2471 02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:02,800 Bridge to fridge. Loud and clear and cold. 2472 02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:07,040 Used to get whatever used to. Raft on a NATO trip it was 2473 02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,680 because to me to send a little pallet across with a shot on to 2474 02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:13,600 the ship you rafter begins to yeah yeah yeah send someone a 2475 02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:14,800 bottle of. Gin or something? 2476 02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:18,560 Yeah, again, like, yeah, light. Line Jack Jack stay with a just 2477 02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:22,320 a bottle of Brandy across it and nothing else is a is a razz yeah 2478 02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:26,480 so so so even when when we. Bad work in uniform, alcohol as 2479 02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:29,280 a thing. So I don't think just banning it 2480 02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:32,280 everywhere would be worth something. 2481 02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:34,840 Yeah, it's certainly on the decline, I think. 2482 02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:39,960 The Roger Nige, it's a long. It's not gone though, but it 2483 02:02:39,960 --> 02:02:41,520 used to be. It used to be because they 2484 02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:44,200 stopped. Giving out daily rum references. 2485 02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:48,120 Since because. Of work black. 2486 02:02:48,680 --> 02:02:51,560 Was it it? Was the 30? 2487 02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:55,200 1st of July 1971. Yeah, it's the final, the final 2488 02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:58,760 tot of run issued in the Royal Navy. 2489 02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:01,880 No more. Splicing the main brace, but we 2490 02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:03,520 still do that. No, we still do that. 2491 02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:06,560 So as you splicing in Bruce, we did it for I've only done it a 2492 02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:07,920 couple of times, but it comes through. 2493 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:09,680 So, Roy, I don't know if you know this, but splicing the main 2494 02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:13,640 brace comes through as a signal from the the monarch yes to to 2495 02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:15,080 to. Theresa Toast and. 2496 02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:18,880 We did it, or was his name little Prince George and the 2497 02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:22,680 other Princess getting born? We we did it for them too. 2498 02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:26,440 My my Uncle Billy joined the. Navy just after Black top day. 2499 02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:29,200 She was gutted if he didn't get as dearly tall. 2500 02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:31,080 I remember your Uncle Billy. Yeah. 2501 02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:32,160 I met your snag. Yeah. 2502 02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:35,960 Yeah, some guy. OK, cool, that was a weird 2503 02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:38,880 little. Diversion also, you see, you 2504 02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:40,520 see. This is like what I said This is 2505 02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:47,440 why we are the premier defence military film thriller podcast 2506 02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:54,280 man 10s of listeners. Yeah, we are tolerated worldwide 2507 02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:58,840 by by two mighty handfuls of people. 2508 02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:03,040 I'm going to get to the. Categories now where we ask some 2509 02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:05,040 pretty pretty random little questions here. 2510 02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:08,680 Jen, I don't know how many of these you've listened to, but we 2511 02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:11,480 tend to ask if this movie would be better with a handful of 2512 02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:17,720 actors or characters in them. So the first one is a Trimvert, 2513 02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:21,040 all played by Horrison Ford. Would this movie be better with 2514 02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:25,280 Doctor Jack Ryan from the Tom Clancy movies, Doctor Richard 2515 02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:28,560 Kimble from The Fugitive or President James Marshall from 2516 02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:31,080 Air Force One? Guys, what do you think? 2517 02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:33,520 So fun. That is a tough one actually. 2518 02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:36,320 Jack Ryan's Catholic enough to be in this film. 2519 02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:38,800 He is, well, Catholic enough to be in this film. 2520 02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:42,520 Completely salutely. This would be like, obviously 2521 02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:45,640 Jack, Jack Senior. I guess what I mean. 2522 02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:48,640 The thing is canonically, canonically, Jack Ryan's dad was 2523 02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:51,720 a cop in Boston. I think so. 2524 02:04:52,120 --> 02:04:54,920 So he could have transferred. There after Chicago, but it's 2525 02:04:54,920 --> 02:05:00,000 like but yeah, the fucking Jack Ryan senior would as as dad 2526 02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,840 would have been there and just just cuff looking up the place. 2527 02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:07,320 You know he's he hasn't just got his got his like Saint Jude 2528 02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:09,400 thing on him. He's he's got tokens and trick. 2529 02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:13,200 It's of all the Saints you know, he's he like makes him always 2530 02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:16,280 like a gaoler when he walks. He's got a key ring with like 2531 02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:19,440 icons of every Catholic. Say it no to man, you know. 2532 02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:22,240 And if it was Jack Ryan, do we? Think he's going to be trying to 2533 02:05:22,240 --> 02:05:25,640 take him down for tax evasion or is he just going to try to take 2534 02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:28,600 Al Capone out himself? Yeah, just just. 2535 02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:33,040 You've got to just act decisively your unilateral that 2536 02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:35,600 dream this was depends which Jack Ryan. 2537 02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:38,040 It is, doesn't it? If it's John Krasinski's Jack 2538 02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:39,400 Ryan, he's going after the money. 2539 02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:42,960 Yeah. But if it's Harrison Ford. 2540 02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:45,280 'S Jack Ryan. He's probably, he's probably 2541 02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:48,560 just taken some names, isn't he? You're not even in taxes. 2542 02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,000 Anymore, Yeah, he's going to print out a document so. 2543 02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,800 Fast, that's going to get you in prison for your feet even touch 2544 02:05:53,800 --> 02:06:00,800 the ground, it's going to evade. This motherfucker, I'm not sure 2545 02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:03,600 how, President. James Marshall would have would 2546 02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:06,240 have banned alcohol in the 1st place I'm pretty sure. 2547 02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:08,560 I'm pretty sure how President James Marshall would have like 2548 02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:11,680 he he would have looked at the vaults that act and being like 2549 02:06:11,680 --> 02:06:17,320 get off my plane and just thrown through the documents out of 2550 02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:20,120 whatever presidential aircraft I had at the time. 2551 02:06:20,120 --> 02:06:23,720 Pry out of the Air Force One thing from call sign, get off my 2552 02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:25,440 plane. He throws it out of his little 2553 02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:28,680 biplane and then the vaults that act and null and void and get 2554 02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:29,880 out of my Senate. Yeah. 2555 02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:33,560 He said it. Oh man. 2556 02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:36,480 Cool. I think we've answered that 2557 02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:38,120 question. Is there a role in this movie 2558 02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:41,920 for a weird little guy played by Peter Falk of Combo fame? 2559 02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:45,440 We have a weird little guy. Do we need a second one? 2560 02:06:46,040 --> 02:06:48,640 Are you referring to? Our friend Oscar Wallace. 2561 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:50,280 I mean, I I don't really see Peter. 2562 02:06:50,280 --> 02:06:53,440 Falk with a shotgun. I can see Peter Falk with a 2563 02:06:53,440 --> 02:06:55,800 crinkled. Up trench coat good like the the 2564 02:06:55,800 --> 02:06:58,240 financial disbursement, yes, yeah, that one. 2565 02:06:58,720 --> 02:07:02,600 You know, Mr Capone, I've just got one more question about your 2566 02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:07,040 income. Why does this my wife usually? 2567 02:07:07,080 --> 02:07:10,560 My wife usually does the taxes but I've noticed that. 2568 02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:13,960 I don't know about you, but in my house. 2569 02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:17,480 My wife does the Texas could go to your house. 2570 02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:18,880 Nobody. Does the Texas. 2571 02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:22,160 What's up with that, Mister? Capone, could you? 2572 02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:26,360 Imagine if, through some quirk of fate, Peter Falk end up 2573 02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:28,520 playing the Malone character, no. 2574 02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:32,560 Fucking buddy be so good this load. 2575 02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:38,640 Little ruggedy, kind of kind of Columbo esque guy just being so 2576 02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:40,560 menacing. I love it. 2577 02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:44,920 But yeah, just I imagined it'd be funny if you'd played. 2578 02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:48,280 The bookkeeper as well. So his his entire role was just 2579 02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:49,560 to be like, Hell's menacingly right. 2580 02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:51,160 But I'll tell you what you want. I'll tell you what you want. 2581 02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:57,800 I'll tell you what you want. Incredible, Incredible. 2582 02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:00,440 There's a rule for. Lieutenant Commander Samuel R 2583 02:08:00,440 --> 02:08:02,000 Jackson, U.S. Navy in this film. 2584 02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:05,840 But there is a similar film that I think we should cover called 2585 02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:12,280 Hoodlum from 1997 which stars Laurence Fishburne and it tells 2586 02:08:12,280 --> 02:08:16,400 the story of Bumpy Johnson, which was another and. 2587 02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:21,640 Dutch Schultz as well. Which is about African American 2588 02:08:21,640 --> 02:08:24,640 gangsters in Harlem in New York during Prohibition. 2589 02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:28,000 So the same time period, different city, different gang. 2590 02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:29,320 But that's that's a really good movie. 2591 02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:31,600 Which also has Andy Garcia in it. 2592 02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:35,600 Well, that sounds class. That sounds min Yeah, that's a 2593 02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:37,480 movie That that's. Already on the clear and present 2594 02:08:37,480 --> 02:08:39,080 list. It is indeed. 2595 02:08:39,080 --> 02:08:40,320 It also has. Richard Bradford. 2596 02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:44,240 In it, who was in this movie as Mike, the old Irish cop, a chief 2597 02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:47,280 of police. So yeah, there's lots of lots of 2598 02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:51,840 crossover sweet cool. Again towards the end last 2599 02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:53,840 couple. Guys, I got I got wrong off you 2600 02:08:53,840 --> 02:08:55,160 Rory for not including this last time. 2601 02:08:55,240 --> 02:08:59,000 So I'm going to include it. Is this movie pro anti Central 2602 02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,840 Intelligence Agency? This film is. 2603 02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:04,400 Entirely CIA neutral. The CIA did not exist, but the 2604 02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:06,920 USS didn't exist. I like as the last one, you 2605 02:09:06,920 --> 02:09:09,000 know, had the USS kind of involved tangentially. 2606 02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:12,560 So while I admit I did give you wrong, for us it was deserved 2607 02:09:13,200 --> 02:09:15,920 indeed. Qualifiers. 2608 02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:17,240 IRS. Propaganda. 2609 02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:20,920 I was going to say it's. The IRS doesn't mention a name, 2610 02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:24,480 but you're absolutely right. I think it's federal government 2611 02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:29,960 coded. Yeah, fed pilled, Fed pill. 2612 02:09:29,960 --> 02:09:31,920 Yeah, fed pilled. Incredible. 2613 02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:35,120 Fed pilled in somebody. Else's lane thriving. 2614 02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:40,280 Overstepping my boundaries so. I've got the scores now. 2615 02:09:40,280 --> 02:09:42,040 I think we're still 6 through against. 2616 02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:46,600 OK Rory O'Toole, have you got any notes from the peanut 2617 02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:48,040 gallery? Methodical removing of the 2618 02:09:48,040 --> 02:09:49,680 glasses says. Yes, and you have notes in the 2619 02:09:49,680 --> 02:09:51,480 peanut gallery and they are good ones. 2620 02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:53,760 This film's got some very interesting opinions from people 2621 02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:56,840 on Friend of the Podcast that are boxed. 2622 02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:59,480 Not a sponsor yet. There's a lot of people who were 2623 02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:05,320 giving it, like bizarrely weighted kind of scores we have. 2624 02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:11,760 3 1/2 stars. Kevin Costner is a bad actor. 2625 02:10:11,800 --> 02:10:14,600 Three stars. Not entirely sure what the point 2626 02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:17,920 of this was. We've got ones that are really 2627 02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:19,560 dead set against this film as well. 2628 02:10:19,720 --> 02:10:23,320 One star. This was so bad and costar is so 2629 02:10:23,320 --> 02:10:25,920 fucking bad. Every time I see him I get 2630 02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:28,840 angry. I give this movie A1 star just 2631 02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:30,840 because I have to do it for America. 2632 02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:34,280 I give this movie A1 star just because of De Niro. 2633 02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:37,680 Robert De Niro's Al Kapoor was amazing, he was incredible, but 2634 02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:41,000 the whole movie was trash and boring and distasteful and I 2635 02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:43,600 want to punch Costa. He played with my nerves. 2636 02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:48,920 I hate him in this I hate him in this. 2 1/2 stars not terrible 2637 02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:53,600 but fairly shite. 4 stars just I never knew there was so many 2638 02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:59,800 anti Italian slurs. 4 stars. What you say the entirety of the 2639 02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:03,160 review. 2 1/2 stars. Dad really wanted us to watch 2640 02:11:03,160 --> 02:11:05,240 this film. I don't think it's really my 2641 02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:07,240 sort of thing. And also too much shooting. 2642 02:11:07,240 --> 02:11:10,000 It is a dad coded film. And 1 1/2 stars. 2643 02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:12,960 Yeah, Kevin Costner does the worst possible Chicago accent. 2644 02:11:13,160 --> 02:11:15,440 It seemed like everyone is having a who could act worse 2645 02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:17,600 off. Also Robert De Niro portrayed Al 2646 02:11:17,600 --> 02:11:20,480 Capone as if Al Capone was trying to act as Robert De Niro. 2647 02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:23,320 Cool suits though. Some absolute bangers here. 2648 02:11:23,320 --> 02:11:26,400 I think Kevin Costner makes every movie is in corny as fuck. 2649 02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:28,520 Should have had way more scenes with De Niro. 2650 02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:31,480 De Niro's character was really the only good thing about this 2651 02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:34,160 movie. 2 stars and so that's one. 2652 02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:36,360 If they're not plotting, they're brooding. 2653 02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:39,760 No in between and just a three star one. 2654 02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:44,200 The extent of the three star assessment is Robert De Niro 2655 02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:47,000 looking like Tony Soprano. Yeah. 2656 02:11:48,440 --> 02:11:50,760 Fantastic and just a. Great one here. 2657 02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,840 Five stars. Now that's a fucking film, by 2658 02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:55,840 the way. Absolute banger. 2659 02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:58,800 Sean Connery is a fucking Why do I? 2660 02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:00,760 Think this was. Written by a glass region. 2661 02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:02,520 Go on. Now that's a. 2662 02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:05,080 Fucking film. BTW, absolute banger. 2663 02:12:05,320 --> 02:12:08,000 Sean Connery is a fucking hammer in this film. 2664 02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:12,280 Great music too. How mad was prohibition BTW? 2665 02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:14,400 That sounds. That sounds glass region in my 2666 02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:15,200 head. That sounds with my 2667 02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:18,160 father-in-law. And. 2668 02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:22,000 Yeah, and just a two star here. That's kind of scaring. 2669 02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:23,000 This is the last one we'll end on. 2670 02:12:23,600 --> 02:12:26,360 That was not good, mostly because of cost now, but 2671 02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:29,040 partially due to some silly scenes in a score that didn't 2672 02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:30,480 always fit the tone of the movie. 2673 02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:33,960 Fuck you. The story relies on the lead 2674 02:12:33,960 --> 02:12:36,520 being able to relate the audience his internal moral 2675 02:12:36,520 --> 02:12:39,600 struggles, but Costner plays it far too small. 2676 02:12:39,840 --> 02:12:42,640 Also, I just can't portray subtleties or big emotions, at 2677 02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:44,880 least not in 1987. I think he's going to. 2678 02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:47,400 I think he's grown as an actor since then, but his early work 2679 02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:49,480 is so flat. Well, he's kind of flat in this 2680 02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:50,680 film. There was, however, some 2681 02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:53,000 excellent camera work and directions typical of De Palma 2682 02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:55,000 that compelled me to finish the movie. 2683 02:12:55,160 --> 02:12:57,280 Also, Connery and De Niro were fun to watch. 2684 02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:00,680 But water is wet, fork found in kitchen, etcetera. 2685 02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:02,480 Wow. Absolutely. 2686 02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:04,160 Divided. Opinion. 2687 02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:06,080 Yeah. Here endeth. 2688 02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:11,760 The notes Peanut colour. Right, cool. 2689 02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:14,400 Final category, and this is where I'm going to open the 2690 02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:17,240 floor to you guys completely. Ding Chavez Award for the missed 2691 02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:19,480 opportunity in the movie. Jen Fioriuelas. 2692 02:13:19,480 --> 02:13:22,280 Ding Chavez is a minor character in the Tom Clancy universe who 2693 02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:25,240 gets not enough to do in the film Clear and present danger, 2694 02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:27,200 which is why we've called this category that. 2695 02:13:27,200 --> 02:13:31,000 But yeah, guys, what did this movie not do that you think 2696 02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:33,080 maybe it shouldn't? I mean, what didn't it do? 2697 02:13:33,080 --> 02:13:38,400 It went from. Chicago to Cowboys, and that was 2698 02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:39,200 a really. Good fight. 2699 02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:41,600 Actually it did a. Lot of things, I'll let you guys 2700 02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:44,080 give a real answer. Though and. 2701 02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:45,480 Missed the opportunity there was. 2702 02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:49,800 Mounties getting into full on close combat range with Lancers 2703 02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:55,120 and just skewering these guys. Just just just these Mounties 2704 02:13:55,120 --> 02:13:57,240 are like we are. We are no longer asking 2705 02:13:57,240 --> 02:14:01,040 permission and just getting on the bridge. 2706 02:14:01,160 --> 02:14:05,720 Lance's couched. Just skewering, skewering these 2707 02:14:05,720 --> 02:14:08,840 Italian Americans, making a real kebab out of them. 2708 02:14:11,560 --> 02:14:14,680 It missed that opportunity. Yeah, there's actually that 2709 02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:17,680 scene had a. Missed opportunity in some way. 2710 02:14:18,120 --> 02:14:20,960 I mean, that's something that has sort of irked me a little. 2711 02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:24,440 Like, the entire firm has no issue with blowing up little 2712 02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:29,000 girls, getting children into the middle of gunfights, exploding 2713 02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:32,880 people's heads and whatnot. And then there's this tight 2714 02:14:32,920 --> 02:14:38,280 packed bunch of mounties on a horses on a bridge, and there's 2715 02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:40,680 like a dozen people with machine guns firing at them. 2716 02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:43,240 Yeah, and none of them. Are dead. 2717 02:14:43,240 --> 02:14:45,640 Afterwards, what's going on there? 2718 02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:50,760 I like, I refuse to believe that 20 like 12 people with Thompson 2719 02:14:50,760 --> 02:14:54,200 guns could like miss that sort of target completely. 2720 02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,960 Star Wars Stormtroopers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2721 02:14:59,640 --> 02:15:01,200 Not. I mean that makes it. 2722 02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:03,760 Calling that a missed opportunity to makes it sound 2723 02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:06,920 like I I would really love to see some some dead Mounties. 2724 02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:08,960 That's that is distinctly not the case. 2725 02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:13,120 But yeah, that that was a bit off from the rest of the film. 2726 02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:15,480 Yeah. So I think I've got. 2727 02:15:15,480 --> 02:15:18,000 A reason why that? Happened and because you're 2728 02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,760 absolutely right, it doesn't tie in with the rest of the movie in 2729 02:15:20,760 --> 02:15:23,760 terms of how guns are operated, especially a Tommy gun, which 2730 02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:25,960 has incredible accuracy if you pointed at Sean Connery, but at 2731 02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:30,000 nobody else apparently, which is when they it's not Irish seeking 2732 02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:31,200 ammunition. To have. 2733 02:15:31,720 --> 02:15:34,400 That's where the Mr Mouth works. When you're aware when? 2734 02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:37,160 They filmed this sequence. Between like what's going to be 2735 02:15:37,160 --> 02:15:39,880 the Canadian border. They actually shot it in 2736 02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:42,200 Missouri. I forgot the name of the bridge 2737 02:15:42,200 --> 02:15:46,080 now, but all the riders on the Mounties are just locals. 2738 02:15:46,080 --> 02:15:50,280 They they've drafted in to ride the horses and they had room in 2739 02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:53,880 a field adjacent for like 100 or so other people just to spectate 2740 02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:56,280 what was going on. I just watched watched the scene 2741 02:15:56,280 --> 02:15:58,840 get filmed. But I think because they got 2742 02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:02,280 like regular local people from nearby to ride the horses, they 2743 02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:05,160 probably didn't have them doing any stunt riding for like 2744 02:16:05,160 --> 02:16:07,240 getting shot and falling off for anything like that, in case it 2745 02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:08,320 has something to do with the insurance. 2746 02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:10,680 That's my theory. But that's how they shot the 2747 02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:13,080 scene anyway, so that's apparel to Lord. 2748 02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:15,680 Of the rings, really it is with the. 2749 02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:18,760 The Kiwis a random and they're hearing horse. 2750 02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:23,000 Girls and and putting beards on them horse girls and. 2751 02:16:23,080 --> 02:16:28,280 You got some. Incredible scenes of of so my 2752 02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:34,920 minor missed opportunity. My serious 1 is the. 2753 02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:38,520 Way the really thin. Home life they've got for Elliot 2754 02:16:38,520 --> 02:16:42,799 Ness for narrative economy, I guess makes us a very kind of 2755 02:16:43,000 --> 02:16:46,160 good guys versus bad guys. Nobody's complicated kind of 2756 02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:48,799 story when actually Elliot Ness's home life was a lot more 2757 02:16:48,799 --> 02:16:51,440 complicated. You know, he had three wives. 2758 02:16:51,559 --> 02:16:56,160 He was a bit of a the Jackal lad and and not the kind of whiter 2759 02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:57,920 than white hero is portrayed to be in the movie. 2760 02:16:58,760 --> 02:17:01,799 My less serious word is I know we said earlier on we didn't 2761 02:17:01,799 --> 02:17:03,840 really want it, but I still would like to see at least in 2762 02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:06,320 the deleted scene of the race track shootout where they pull 2763 02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:09,120 the guy's fake moustache off. I wanted to be Sean Connery, who 2764 02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:12,320 did. Wait a minute lad, there is Sean 2765 02:17:12,320 --> 02:17:12,719 Connery. Who? 2766 02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:14,959 Does it in the in the. Screenplay as well, I'm going to 2767 02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:16,160 find, I'm going to find the line. 2768 02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:20,400 So what happens is there's a race track, the race that this 2769 02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:23,520 guy's about a bet on is for a horse called Paymaster, and 2770 02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:26,639 they're waiting by the bookies, Little kaboosh, because the 2771 02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:27,760 final bets are coming in for that. 2772 02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:29,440 And the guy, obviously, he's going to want to put a bet on 2773 02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:32,440 and he's meant to have slipped his handlers from Capoon's gang. 2774 02:17:32,440 --> 02:17:33,440 So that's how they're going to get him. 2775 02:17:33,440 --> 02:17:36,520 Turns out he's a trap. A bunch of Capoons thugs pull up 2776 02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:41,280 and a big oil truck and and and. Yeah, yes. 2777 02:17:41,879 --> 02:17:44,080 Malone shoots a. War Rig. 2778 02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:47,959 Yeah, Malone, Malone. Shoots it with a gun, like a 2779 02:17:47,959 --> 02:17:51,000 shotgun or something and it bursts into flames and spills 2780 02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:52,639 over. But more goons get out of it 2781 02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:55,680 somehow and sort of like walking around the fire that's formed. 2782 02:17:55,680 --> 02:17:58,040 So there's like the street's on fire, there's like people 2783 02:17:58,040 --> 02:18:00,000 running around, these guys come out. 2784 02:18:00,040 --> 02:18:02,920 It's a big trap. This is a very different. 2785 02:18:02,920 --> 02:18:05,120 Film. At this time, this is a very 2786 02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:07,559 different film. This is very much. 2787 02:18:07,559 --> 02:18:10,360 Like when I had that deleted. Scene from any of the state we 2788 02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:14,360 were talking through. Yeah, so Angle at the front of 2789 02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:18,000 the oil truck, Nest and Stone coming around the truck, Malone 2790 02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:20,200 in the foreground, bookkeeper between them. 2791 02:18:20,920 --> 02:18:23,320 Nest, Malone, Let's get under safety. 2792 02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:25,360 Malone and Stone host of their guns. 2793 02:18:25,360 --> 02:18:29,520 Stone, Mr Payne, Angle Payne, who has been standing in the 2794 02:18:29,520 --> 02:18:31,719 middle of the battle. He takes a submachine gun from 2795 02:18:31,719 --> 02:18:34,840 under his arm, pulls the boat on the submachine gun and starts to 2796 02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:37,879 level it. At Stone and Malone, Nest takes 2797 02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:40,240 aim, his gun clicks on an empty chamber. 2798 02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:43,440 He draws another pistol from the small of his back and fires, 2799 02:18:43,639 --> 02:18:45,320 killing Pain. Who's the bookkeeper? 2800 02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:50,200 Angle Malone, the dead Pain, Nest and Stone a beat. 2801 02:18:50,520 --> 02:18:53,600 They advance on the fallen body. They pause above the body. 2802 02:18:53,799 --> 02:18:56,840 They turn the body over Angle on the fallen water. 2803 02:18:56,840 --> 02:19:00,120 Pain the three untouchables standing above the body. 2804 02:19:00,440 --> 02:19:03,320 The men look at each other. Malone bends down to the body. 2805 02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:06,840 Malone kneeling by the body of reaches for Paine's moustache, 2806 02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:09,240 pulls it off. It's an imposter. 2807 02:19:09,559 --> 02:19:14,040 Malone stands. Ness Well, well. 2808 02:19:15,480 --> 02:19:18,520 And now we're back where we started, aren't we, Malone I 2809 02:19:18,520 --> 02:19:20,400 have a lead. You go back to the store. 2810 02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:22,840 The Dai think I know how we can find this guy. 2811 02:19:23,320 --> 02:19:25,600 STONE I stopped fighting too soon. 2812 02:19:25,680 --> 02:19:27,920 Ness. Mr Stone Yes, you did. 2813 02:19:28,400 --> 02:19:31,360 If you get into it, you do not stop until one of you is dead. 2814 02:19:31,480 --> 02:19:34,280 Malone I didn't know you carried a second gun. 2815 02:19:34,480 --> 02:19:38,639 Ness You never need it until you need it badly here, end of the 2816 02:19:38,639 --> 02:19:41,160 lesson. So Ness gives Malone a lesson, 2817 02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:47,440 but that that dilutes the impact of him seeing here, end of the 2818 02:19:47,440 --> 02:19:48,960 lesson at the end of the movie, though, I think. 2819 02:19:49,240 --> 02:19:50,880 And it does, and it and it doesn't. 2820 02:19:50,880 --> 02:19:54,680 Make sense when put in context with the big shootout at the 2821 02:19:54,680 --> 02:19:58,560 station, because a lot of that, like kind of hinges on the fact 2822 02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:01,000 that he's got a shotgun, he's got a sidearm, there's not an 2823 02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:03,600 additional. Side on and then Stone comes in 2824 02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:07,320 with it comes in clutch with their throws it so yeah, it's a 2825 02:20:07,320 --> 02:20:10,600 very different kind of film. I'm glad to talk that out, but 2826 02:20:10,600 --> 02:20:11,840 on the. Words here under. 2827 02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:17,040 The lesson we hear end of the podcast, I think guys, one bit 2828 02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:20,840 of a business before we depart. We talked offline last time 2829 02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:24,800 about doing our next movie being a particular film. 2830 02:20:24,920 --> 02:20:28,040 I want to change that and I want to posit. 2831 02:20:28,040 --> 02:20:31,120 To you a notion. That we stick with Brian De 2832 02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:32,160 Palma. Yeah. 2833 02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:37,440 And we do potentially, if you guys agree Mission Impossible 2834 02:20:37,440 --> 02:20:40,600 from 1996 the first one. Let's do it. 2835 02:20:41,320 --> 02:20:42,280 Or a. Christmas film. 2836 02:20:42,480 --> 02:20:44,520 But I mean. After you until you want to 2837 02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:46,920 watch Die Hard. Not necessarily die hard, but. 2838 02:20:47,320 --> 02:20:48,960 Let's do any shit in Black Film, OK? 2839 02:20:50,040 --> 02:20:52,080 Call it Mission Impossible One. Yeah. 2840 02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:55,640 Yeah, cool, right? All all that remains to be said 2841 02:20:55,640 --> 02:20:57,680 is thank you very much Jen for joining us. 2842 02:20:57,920 --> 02:21:00,400 I hope this hasn't been too boring with me and Rory 2843 02:21:00,400 --> 02:21:03,520 basically talking incessantly. Well, this has been exciting 2844 02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:05,720 and. Very first podcast, always look 2845 02:21:05,720 --> 02:21:08,280 for those things sometimes, yeah, it'd be cool to have a 2846 02:21:08,280 --> 02:21:09,840 podcast. So I'm like, I have nothing to 2847 02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:12,960 talk about. I'm really kind of related to Al 2848 02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:15,560 Capone, so here we are. It's awesome. 2849 02:21:15,560 --> 02:21:16,880 It's been. It's been a total pleasure 2850 02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:18,120 having you, Jen. Absolutely. 2851 02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:19,920 Thank you. It has and you. 2852 02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:20,880 You. Have an open. 2853 02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:22,040 Invite whenever you want to come back. 2854 02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:25,000 All right, Ashok, Fantastic. That's great. 2855 02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:26,400 Any. Whatever movie you're doing 2856 02:21:26,400 --> 02:21:27,880 ahead. Of time and I'll watch it. 2857 02:21:28,520 --> 02:21:30,400 Awesome. Right. 2858 02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:33,760 Well, that is. Left to be said then and we try 2859 02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:34,880 and do this in unison every time. 2860 02:21:34,880 --> 02:21:39,480 We never once done it, but we have been clear. 2861 02:21:40,360 --> 02:21:44,960 President. Dudes, that was the closest. 2862 02:21:44,960 --> 02:21:47,360 We've been to being synchronised.