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Do you think women should cold 
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Well, I love this question. 
The first thing all I would like

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to say is that anyone who's 
going to tell you something 

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that's like absolutist thinking,
they can kind of go. 

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Breathing question for you. 
It's something that I've been 

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curious about for like 15. 
Years OK, cool. 

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I hope I know the answer. 
What makes someone win versus 

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come in second is 1 pull of a 
breath. 

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Shit's going to happen in life. 
So if we're going to train for 

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the game of life, then I want to
learn how to be down regulated. 

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I want to be able to learn how 
to re regulate. 

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So I think the future of like 
Wellness is this connection of 

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our biology, our psychology, and
then our consciousness. 

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I feel like we're Texas because 
it's so hot. 

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We got to get a cold plunge 
because just go on a hour long 

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walk in the middle of the day in
Texas and then get in the cold 

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plunge afterwards would be so 
exciting. 

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If I didn't go through one of 
the hardest times in my life, I 

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wouldn't be able to do this work
as effectively or have as much 

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empathy or connection to the 
people that I work with. 

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People walking around Austin 
being like, I did my 42nd 

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ayahuasca journey, I'm done MDMA
52 times this year. 

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But if you don't do any 
integration work, you just stay 

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in the doorway with everybody 
would just be exactly who they 

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are and everyone would get 
exactly what they want in need. 

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Anyone's ever worried about Red 
Bull, and I've drank like 8000 

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or more cans of Red Bull in my 
life. 

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So if anyone's going to die so 
you're fine, you're fine. 

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Do you think women should cold 
plunge? 

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Oh, I love this question. 
I think women should cold 

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plunge. 
Yeah. 

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'Cause I get asked because I've 
been a trainer for 2121 years 

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and I get asked this all the 
time. 

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And I think it's because there 
was a Stacey Sims episode 

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somewhere, probably on Huberman 
saying that, you know, it may 

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not be good for hormones or why 
not? 

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But people take things so 
literally. 

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And it's either like, eat eggs, 
don't eat eggs. 

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It's like, that's what I want 
you like, you're an expert on 

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this, so I want all the 
information you can give. 

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So we educate women because I 
think, you know, I have one 

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friend who's Finnish and she's 
like, we grew up cold plunging 

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as children our whole lives. 
And to this day, we still do it.

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Yeah, especially the Finnish, 
right, they would like to take, 

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they'd like to say they led the 
charge. 

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I this is such a it's a question
that's like swirling around that

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I think is the first thing I 
would like to say is that anyone

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who's going to tell you 
something that's like absolutist

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thinking is like they can kind 
of go scratch. 

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I don't ever really have buy in 
on anyone. 

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That's like for 100% of the 
people under some of the bodies,

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100% of contexts, women 
shouldn't cold plunge or women 

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should cold plunge. 
So I'm not here to say you have 

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to, but I think that it's 
something that in many ways, 

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like helped save my life or re 
regulate my my nervous system in

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a way that I could navigate 
really big challenges. 

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It was a Stacey Sims episode 
that like swirled around was on 

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Mel Robbins podcast, I think, 
and then Huberman. 

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She's been on a bunch of shows. 
She's been on my show, actually,

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She's she's great and she's like
she's very knowledgeable 

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researcher. 
She was a, you know, triathlete 

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trainer, like coach and, and, 
and an athlete of her in her own

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right, right. 
And the big challenge, and I've 

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kind of dug deep on this with 
some of the master trainers in 

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my program. 
So Sherpa breath and cold is my 

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program. 
I do a certification program for

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breath wear, cold exposure and 
contrast therapy for coaches. 

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And one of my master trainers is
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practitioner. 
And so that's the other place 

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where people go kind of mad is 
they're like, Oh my God, women 

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and cold womb and all these 
things. 

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And I'm not here to take away 
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norm or a decision. 
I think everyone should be 

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autonomously choosing for their 
bodies what they want to do. 

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But what I don't love is that 
there's this notion of women 

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shouldn't cold plunge or the 
conversations and the 

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specifically the sound bites 
that were pulled from that 

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podcast. 
They're just scaring people off 

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or females off physiological 
females, let's say off from 

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doing this practice. 
And no one on this planet that's

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alive right now is the first 
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plunge, right? 
It's been going on for thousands

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of years. 
And women do have, you know, 

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different physiological we have 
different surprise. 

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We have different things going 
on in our body than in yours. 

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But there's. 
You're just hairless. 

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Men I know exactly, exactly. 
I yeah, I I I see there's so 

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many differences in US and then 
the the thing that I see the 

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most, I think I'm just losing my
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a lot. 
This is a sidebar quickly. 

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I went to interview with Under 
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the women's division for 
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and he's like, we decided we 
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pink it anymore. 
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clothes, making them smaller and
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like there's a women's division.
So like, it's just a funny 

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notion of like, we've come 
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place where like, there's female
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these things, and then there's 
like women actually deterring us

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from making choice for what we 
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And what I say in the program is
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is queen. 
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who's the person who's in front 
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If it's someone who has a really
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is, you know, a professional 
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whatever, whoever, that 
physiological female, whatever 

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version of that human is in 
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plunge them differently or maybe
I won't at all. 

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Someone called me yesterday and 
left a message like, oh, that my

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friend is pregnant. 
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practice. 
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contraindications of cold 
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But the truth is, you know, 
women who are pregnant have been

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doing it since the dawn of time.
And, yeah, maybe there should be

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some notion of, like, checking 
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That's like, am I maybe over 40 
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Was it really hard to get 
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Like, what kind of chance or 
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Are you going to like crush your
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36° for 10 minutes? 
There's a woman who runs birth 

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fit here and when she was 
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the river's not that cold, but 
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of like the local bodies of 
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cold plunge in that 50° or 
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temperature was, you know, 
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her pregnancy. 
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interesting question because 
it's like, I want to be like, 

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fuck yeah, women should be cold 
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I've seen so much transformation
putting females in the water who

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are just at their wits end about
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the Max or depressed and there's
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come come from dipping. 
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benefits in the way I try to 
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like, it's like exercise. 
It's a stress that can produce a

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benefit, and you just have to 
find the stress that is slightly

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out of your comfort zone. 
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know your hair's feels like your
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do that. 
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and just get in for five 
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Funny thing is, a lot of times 
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deeply afraid and then their 
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minutes easily. 
And I never pressure them. 

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Just like, look, we'll just try 
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You can decide to get out 
anytime. 

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And then they're like, way 
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And I've been doing it for 
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So like you just don't even know
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your body may actually really 
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Sometimes I do a cold plunge at 
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colder, sometimes longer, 
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It just depends on like I think 
you use it as a tool based on 

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like listening to your body, 
sometimes pushing it, sometimes 

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just using it to cool down a 
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something. 
Yeah, for sure, Right. 

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Yeah. 
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typically we see like you guys 
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little bit more ease just from 
the hormonal regulation profile.

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Yours are turning your hormones 
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You're getting like a big a week
experience in the morning till 

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like 12 noon, you're like, I'm 
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I can go longer, I can go 
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So men seem to tolerate cold 
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practice. 
So I am, I do say for females, 

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listen, if you're getting in 
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winning. 
Like it's like, that's plenty. 

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It's plenty for most humans. 
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more conservative with, you 
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the different times of women's 
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contingency of females that 
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have my period, I can't go in 
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Now, if that's a cultural or 
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Like, again, you do you. 
And also there is not enough 

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research to stick dictator say 
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And depending on how you respond
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PMS right before your period, it
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It's going to be typically more 
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period the last two weeks. 
So like we breakdown the women's

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cycle, first two weeks we have 
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rising, we go into ovulation, 
we're a bit more like robust 

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feeling. 
Again, I'm totally generalizing.

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Some women may not feel that 
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perspective, we can kind of 
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stress a bit more. 
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cycle, we have a number of 
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We have a little bit more, we're
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we're feeling a little bit more 
disconnected from our pelvic 

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floor. 
We actually uptake oxygen less 

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well, the last up to 25% less 
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days of the cycle based on some 
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And if you're, you know, if 
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you're less connected to your 
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breathing as easily, it's going 
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in the cold. 
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available to builds your window 
of tolerance by you said the 

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most. 
The perfect thing that I always 

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talk about in training, which is
like the goal of the game when I

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have someone coaching someone 
else through the cold is what's 

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their current practice? 
Where is their edge? 

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And how do we stretch it just a 
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And that's the game the whole 
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And although I would say don't 
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because the money is right after
that, like 45 to 62nd mark when 

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you have this like turnover in 
your system and like the 

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physiological body, I have 
people getting up to their neck.

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So I don't know how you always 
plunge them, but I want 

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mammalian dive response to 
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I want their heart rate to 
naturally slow and then they 

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realize they're doing this hard 
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And then you can physically see 
like I'm sure you've seen this a

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ton. 
You can physically see people's 

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body have the surrender. 
And that's just, it's like why 

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it's such an honor to do this 
work. 

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I know everyone's like, it's 
fucking Instagram, Let's go ice 

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plunge, whatever. 
But it's like, I get to see, we 

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get to see when we plunge 
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Some like someone in there 10 
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like you default to the level 
with which you handle stress the

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the least well. 
And so you sort of go back to 

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your younger self when you get 
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deliberately so stressful. 
And it's just beautiful way to 

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see how people handle stress and
you can really see how they do. 

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I think it's like for job 
interviews, you'd be putting 

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people in the cold and being 
like, OK, I could see who can 

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hang and who could not, you 
know? 

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Yeah. 
And it, it can be, yeah. 

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There's some incredibly blissful
moments that you can experience.

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So the way I have people do it 
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out they are, which a lot of 
people are super freaked out. 

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So I just try to get them in it.
I just try to get them in it. 

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I tell them if you can get up to
your shoulders, great. 

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Some do Incredibles, some just 
like whatever they can do and 

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get in and out right. 
Just I'm just trying to get them

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not afraid usually. 
How did you how did cold 

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plunging enter your life, and 
how has it changed yours? 

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Yeah, it entered my life. 
It's like 8 years ago now 

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probably. 
I was. 

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It's like I have old highlight 
reels on my Instagram where you 

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can see I did like a 30 day 
challenge. 

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It ended up being like 35 days 
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to my rooftop in LA. 
Be like, do one more day. 

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I'll go cold plunge with you. 
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that, it wasn't a thing to do. 
Days in a row of cold and I was 

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experimenting to feel like what 
it was about. 

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But I, I had and a little bit of
an affinity for cold. 

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I knew that there was something 
up with it. 

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I was curious about it. 
I was reading about it. 

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I was talking to some of like a,
a Rolfing structural integration

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therapist about it a lot. 
And he's like, Oh, I heard that 

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like Laird Hamilton and Gabby 
Reese are doing something around

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cold. 
And I was like, oh, cool. 

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And just after that conversation
went home and like researched 

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it, wrote them, did all these 
things, submitted an application

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was like, please let me in. 
They're like, it's only a wait 

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list. 
And I was like just wrote the 

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woman everyday who was their 
assistant and finally got into 

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their they're like activation 
weekend. 

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And it wasn't just cold water. 
This is what was interesting for

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me as it was like weights under 
the pool, under the water in the

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pool. 
Like, and I mean 11 feet, 40 LB 

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weights dive master. 
I am not. 

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I'm working on becoming a better
swimmer all the time. 

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I'm not a great strong swimmer. 
There's a shit ton of 

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professional like surf crew 
there. 

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There's probably only three or 
four women and Gabby everyone 

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else is, you know, stuffed with 
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athlete style and and cut up and
just could hang underwater for I

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don't lots of minutes, right. 
And I was like, how is this 

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going to go down? 
And Laird's like a 14 year old 

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boy, like in the best way. 
And he's just like in the sauna 

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and crazy and standing on top of
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like sauna life and cold 
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And Patrick Mcewan's around for 
the whole thing, which is how I 

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first got introduced to him. 
So he's the guy who founded 

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Oxygen Advantage and we all are 
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It's a the two big days. 
The first day is this pool and 

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weights work and I'm like 
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I'm like thankful at the there's
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no one could tell them like 
crying in the pool trying to 

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navigate some of this and 
listen, they're keeping me safe.

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I'm in there of my choice, but 
it's hard. 

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It's it's like there's a fear. 
There's like a scariness to it 

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that I. 
Can try doing that's difficult. 

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Well, you're like doing. 
You're doing like squat jumps 

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with a 40 LB weight from 11 feet
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that you have to get above the 
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So every time that you you jump 
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like, you're just getting trying
to get the water you can and 

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then letting it drive you down. 
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So it's like the training. 
It's all of their training from 

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XPT is what it's called. 
And they don't do all of this 

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exactly anymore like this. 
But all of the training was 

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based off of like surfers who 
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rocks. 
So they're training to hold 

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their breath underwater while 
there's all the surf going on, 

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all this undertow and whatnot, 
so that they could when 'cause 

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you wouldn't get, when you get 
barrelled by a wave, you could 

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be under there 5 to 7 minutes, 
like worst case scenario, right?

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And so you got to be able to be 
calm, conserve oxygen and just 

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hold your breath, right, So you 
don't die. 

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So these surfers in Hawaii and 
various places around the world 

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training with these rocks. 
And so it's mimicking that a 

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bit. 
And it was a really beautiful, 

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like learning for stress 
tolerance, for understanding 

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panic for water, you know, 
working in water with weights 

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and it really gave me a lot of 
perspective. 

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But I would say this, and I'm 
getting to how I got into cold 

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is I was the weakest one. 
I was the weakest link for sure 

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in the group, right? 
And so I, I kind of went home 

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after day one and I was as you 
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I'm like kind of disappointed in
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I'm like, how could I have done 
it better? 

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I'm like, kind of, you know, 
negative Nancy talking to myself

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in my head and I'm, I'm like, 
this is like biggest, one of the

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biggest life lessons I ever 
learned. 

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I was like, I'm not doing this 
tomorrow. 

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I'm not going to, I know we have
heat and cold and breast 

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training and stuff tomorrow. 
I'm not, I'm going to show up 

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and I'm going to like visualize 
and I'm showing up stronger than

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anyone else. 
And I know that there's cold 

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punching tomorrow. 
And I'd only ever done it in 

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like Korean saunas or or Korean 
spas where they have like sauna 

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and little cold pools. 
And I'd go in for like 10 

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seconds. 
I'd like, oh, you know, like I 

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had no idea. 
And I was like, so I kind of 

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know what cold's like and I'm 
just going to go, I'm in a head 

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dunk. 
We, I knew we were going to be 

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able to be in for three minutes 
was like the Max. 

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So I was like, I'm going to head
dunk on the way in. 

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I'm going to do 3 full minutes 
and I'm going to head dunk at 

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the end. 
And I'm going to handle it like 

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a Zen master. 
Like I don't care what it takes.

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Like I'm going to regulate 
myself and figure this out. 

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And I like visualize it a lot 
that night. 

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And there's a thing like if 
you're training in the gym or 

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you watch like Olympic lifting 
on, on television, you can kind 

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of tell how well the lift's 
going to go by the approach. 

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Like just by looking at how they
walk up, how they approach the 

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bar, you can kind of feel when 
the lift's going bad. 

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You saw it beforehand, you saw 
it happening, you know, as 

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they're approaching bar. 
And so I just like visualized a 

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lot and try to stay out of the 
the disappointment in myself and

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really thought about it. 
Like I would say that night 

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relatively obsessively. 
And then when we got to cold 

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plunging the next day and when I
decided I was going to go first,

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whatever it took. 
So we got the next day all 

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around the tub during the cold 
plunge part and that mark was 

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leading my tub. 
I was like standing and I must 

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have just had that energy so 
much that he's like, well, I 

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think Kristen's going first, so 
they could just tell. 

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And then I did. 
And then remember, it's like all

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these beefcake athlete guys are 
gathered around the tub being 

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like, here's the weakest link. 
You know, this is my story. 

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Here's the weakest link check 
from yesterday. 

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I was having such a tough time 
and I just Mark was like, OK. 

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And I took a few breaths by the 
tub and I got in and I had 

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dunked and I came up and I 
stayed in 3 minutes and I had 

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dunked at the end. 
And little by little over the 

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course, that time I opened my 
eyes and I watched all the 

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mostly men around the tub being 
like, oh, like, recognizing that

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I had a skill set there, 
recognizing that I was managing,

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regulating myself, recognizing 
like, oh, shit, she was the 

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weakest link yesterday. 
I have to do as at least as well

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as she is. 
And many of these men had a cold

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punch before. 
So it was just really, for me, a

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really big life lesson in like, 
what's your approach to it all? 

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And there was something in that 
moment that just solidified for 

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me, like, this is my practice, 
you know? 

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And so it's cool. 
What? 

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Was your experience like towards
the end and then getting out, 

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like what did you feel? 
I felt, I mean, I felt proud of 

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myself. 
I think in in such a strong way,

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I felt really capable. 
I felt I talk a lot about people

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being able to expand their 
capacity. 

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I knew that there was like 
enough safety that if anything 

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happened, someone would like 
pull me out. 

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So I wasn't worried about any of
that. 

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But just getting in, you 
definitely have the shock of the

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cold water and the ice, shit 
tons of ice they use, you know, 

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to make it even more dramatic. 
And in that environment. 

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And there was also something 
really, I liked having all the 

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ice because it was weighty. 
And so I just sort of really 

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tried to connect with my breath.
I could feel how much I could 

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control my system by using my 
breath. 

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And after the initial like shock
and I didn't have, I didn't have

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a response that you we used to 
this quite often when people 

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like or people get real quiet 
and they just look up at you 

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like you're they're a little kid
in a candy store. 

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Like they don't. 
Mom, can I leave? 

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Yeah, exactly. 
I didn't have any of that. 

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I like, I didn't like, I would 
like to. 

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In some ways I'm like, oh, I'm 
built for this. 

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But I think I really just set 
myself up for success. 

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And it's like the power belief. 
You flip some switch in your 

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mind. 
Yeah. 

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And then just like the ability 
to stay in, I think, listen, my 

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competitive spirit inside of me 
is like, fuck yeah, I was sucked

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yesterday and today I'm showing 
you all up. 

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Like there, of course there's 
like some of that alpha in 

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there, but that's the navigation
of being a human and saying, OK,

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I know I have some ego and I 
know I have some things going 

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on, but how do I, how do I feel 
really good about this 

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progression or this choice? 
What was the physical experience

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like? 
The like neurochemical like? 

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How did you feel? 
Yeah, I mean, I felt it feels 

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spicy and it feels kind of like 
cutting, you know, to your 

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system. 
But also when something like 

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hits you with that level of 
like, let's just call it stress 

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and you can breathe through it 
and you can literally there's 

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nothing. 
The thing I felt the most is 

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present. 
There's nowhere else you can be.

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So you're so present 
somatically, you're so present 

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with your body that you're 
breathing yourself down into a 

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space where you can literally 
feel like the initial cold shock

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hit. 
You can feel all the tingling in

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your system. 
You can feel the like wash of it

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all over your whole body. 
And then as you breathe, you can

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feel yourself come back into 
real, real hyper presence. 

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And that is like there's a level
of clarity there that you just 

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don't, I don't get anywhere 
else, right? 

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I don't maybe psychedelics, but 
I don't get anywhere else. 

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And so to have that for three 
minutes and it's coming back 

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home to my body. 
And for anyone who's listening, 

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it's like when you get in the 
cold water for me and for many, 

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many people, I think it's the 
time that we can really say how 

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am I doing right now? 
Like how am I treating myself? 

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Where am I falling short? 
Where am I really excelling? 

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Where am I not giving myself 
enough credit? 

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Like I always kind of prompt 
myself to say, like, how are you

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really? 
And I can tell myself the right 

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answers and that level of 
presence. 

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And then as the cascade happens 
and you settle in, I find like a

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30 to 62nd mark that turnover 
happens. 

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You settle in, you can stay in 
for longer. 

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And then it's just elation. 
Then it's it's like, wow, I'm 

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doing this thing. 
People will be like, well, I 

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guess I just numbed out, but 
it's not that, right? 

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It's like some people might 
disassociate in there, but for 

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me, it's not that. 
And then getting out, it's 

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exhilarating. 
It's, you know, 3060 seconds 

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after you have this whole 
neurochemical cascade. 

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The cascade is happening the 
entire time. 

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You're getting hits of like 
norepinephrine and adrenaline 

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and all this. 
But then you get out and you 

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have this bliss cascade that's 
like your oxytocin when you're 

445
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,480
doing it with other people and 
all these chemistry, all this 

446
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,760
chemistry in the body that is 
literally shifting your state. 

447
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,600
It's. 
The greatest feeling, too. 

448
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
What would you say are the main 

449
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,560
pillars of regulating your 
nervous system, whether you're 

450
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,960
in the cold plunge or out of the
cold plunge? 

451
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,560
Yeah, the main pillars of 
regulating your nervous system, 

452
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,120
I think understanding how your 
breath controls the entire 

453
00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:37,320
mechanism, You know, there's 
like a a case to be made 

454
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,080
specifically with the breath 
that's like, we think that like 

455
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,480
our thoughts are happening all 
the time and they are right. 

456
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,240
You can't stop your thoughts 
from coming, just like you can't

457
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,680
stop your heart from beating. 
But our thoughts, I think, are 

458
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,200
really a byproduct, or when you 
look at sort of the science, 

459
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,880
it's sort of a chicken and an 
egg thing, right? 

460
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,160
Our breath is controlling. 
Our nervous system specifically 

461
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,160
is checking in with its 
environment every 200th of a 

462
00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,280
millisecond. 
So even as we're sitting here 

463
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,040
right now and we're like 
listening to each other and 

464
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,160
being present and being 
connected, our nervous system is

465
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,360
ahead of the game. 
It's just checking in and 

466
00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,320
checking in and checking in. 
And every time we have a thought

467
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,920
or a feeling or a notion or 
something that's like an 

468
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,320
aggregation of 50 to 100 of 
those moments. 

469
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,040
And so how do I understand that?
Like actually what my, when my 

470
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,560
nervous system is checking in, 
it's moving my breath and my 

471
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,040
body, my breath and my body, 
depending on how deeply I 

472
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,400
breathe or how uptight I am or 
whatever is happening, if I'm 

473
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,680
holding, is then going to send 
some specific wiring signal to 

474
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,000
my brain so that my brain can 
make decisions about what it 

475
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,120
wants to think and feel. 
And so I think the biggest thing

476
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,480
in nervous system regulation is 
understanding that we do have 

477
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,360
the capacity to kind of control 
our breath, to come back home, 

478
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,240
to ground ourselves. 
And it's the thing that we like 

479
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,160
are consistently navigating 
because automatically we're 

480
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,560
breathing. 
People like, why am I doing 

481
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,080
breath work class? 
I already know how to breathe. 

482
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,920
Or why are we talking about 
performance breathing with my 

483
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,360
athletes? 
Because I'm already breathing 

484
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:56,200
when I'm working out, training, 
swimming, fighting, whatever. 

485
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,280
Navigating the breath and being 
able to come back and come back 

486
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,920
and come back in a way that 
isn't meditation but is a 

487
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,600
physiological check in is the 
number one way to get ourselves 

488
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,360
back to who we are really. 
Do you have certain ways you 

489
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:15,600
like to coach people before they
get in, while they get in and 

490
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,400
then what they do afterwards? 
Yeah, so that's, that's a really

491
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,840
interesting question. 
I'm glad you asked it. 

492
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,480
It's because everybody knows Wim
Hof, right? 

493
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,640
We're like, none of us would be 
here half naked flip flops on 

494
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,440
the top of a mountain or an ice 
bath as prevalently as we are 

495
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,360
without Wim. 
And so he's got, you know, he's,

496
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,000
he has a ton of different breath
work styles, but he's very known

497
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,240
for that super ventilated style 
breathing where people are going

498
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,480
or nose, mouth and they're 
pumping their whole system up, 

499
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,720
which like works, right? 
It works because you are 

500
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,040
sympathetically charging your 
system before you get into 

501
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,160
something that is a, a freezing 
cold body of water or an ice 

502
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,920
bath where you're going to be 
sympathetically charged. 

503
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,200
So one would think I am setting 
my system up to the parallel 

504
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,720
that I'm about to get in. 
That's going to make that 

505
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,800
easier. 
And you know what that works. 

506
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,680
It's awesome. 
But my question to especially 

507
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,480
with new plungers is like, I 
first want to train people in 

508
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,880
the opposite direction because 
shit's going to happen in life. 

509
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,440
Like are we training to be like 
good at getting taking an ice 

510
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,280
bath? 
We're really not. 

511
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,040
We're getting good at life. 
So if we're going to train for 

512
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,440
the game of life, then I want to
learn how to be down regulated 

513
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,560
in a normal state, as connected 
to my myself as I can be. 

514
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,080
I want to have this hit of 
stress and then I want to be 

515
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,240
able to learn how to re regulate
because guaranteed some shits 

516
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,080
going to hit the fan. 
There's be a technological 

517
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,920
problem and some guy's going to 
come running in here. 

518
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,200
You're going to like delete, 
delete whatever you want to say,

519
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,000
like your wife's going to 
divorce you, your boss is going 

520
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,280
to fire you. 
You're going to get in. 

521
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,400
I was in a gnarly car accident 
in L AI didn't see it coming. 

522
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,240
I actually like took a big 
exhale right before I got hit by

523
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,560
this car, like 40 miles an hour 
and I'm stopped and I took a big

524
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,760
exhale because I had almost hit 
the car in front of me in the 

525
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,000
stop short scenario. 
And I was like, I didn't hit the

526
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,480
white car boom. 
Right. 

527
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,480
So it's like how if we're going 
to have life hit us in all these

528
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,000
ways that are unexpected, then 
how can we train for that? 

529
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,720
Well, I'm going to down regulate
someone typically useful 

530
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,200
breathing, get them rooted into 
the earth, really in touch with 

531
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,640
their system as best as they 
can. 

532
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,360
Because as you know, sometimes 
people are anticipating and all 

533
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:08,800
that. 
And then I'm going to have them 

534
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,840
get in the water, experience 
that cold shock response and 

535
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,960
then breed themselves back down 
to regulation. 

536
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,800
Like after a while and you 
become an intermediate or 

537
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,520
advanced plunger, you can start 
to mess around and like do whim 

538
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,760
and face down on the ground and 
breathe all crazy and try to 

539
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,720
exacerbate your system and make 
it even harder for yourself in a

540
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,360
number of ways. 
But before that, I want people 

541
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,480
to get good at at regulation, 
right. 

542
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,880
It's like the if we're looking 
at like, I just, I think the 

543
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,720
future of like Wellness is this 
connection of our biology, our 

544
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,560
psychology and then our 
consciousness. 

545
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,920
What you guys talk so much about
that in the world on the show, 

546
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,160
It's like those three things 
together. 

547
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,280
And then one big piece of our, 
our, our biology and even our 

548
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,680
psychology, if you're thinking 
about how our thoughts arise is 

549
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,080
how we regulate the nervous 
system, how we regulate and use 

550
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,120
our breath. 
And there's a number of other 

551
00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:57,760
things, right? 
If someone's like freaking out, 

552
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,320
having a big anxiety attack or 
something. 

553
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,280
There's other ways that we can 
by doing like a quadrant wake, 

554
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,160
wake up exercise or orienting 
ourselves to the space because 

555
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,680
we're in a really heightened 
state, there's so many ways that

556
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,360
we can actually use like visuals
or sensation to regulate. 

557
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,000
Is there a certain breath count 
or protocol you do well in the 

558
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,320
cold to regulate? 
Yeah, great. 

559
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,120
I, I typically tell people at 
the side of the tub, like I'll 

560
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,080
start them with A-36 breath. 
I sort of think anything more 

561
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,760
than that, it's really hard for 
someone who's not new, who's 

562
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,560
newer at cold to, to try to do 
like a four eight or something. 

563
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:33,040
But like 2-2 inhale, 4 exhale, 3
inhale, 6 exhale is really nice 

564
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,680
starting at the side of the tub,
getting in the tub and then and 

565
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,520
then reconnecting to that. 
And also having people like take

566
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,800
in the full spicy moment. 
That is the first time you climb

567
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,320
into the water, right? 
Like letting people, I always 

568
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,920
say like, let it be what it is. 
Like, how can you live with what

569
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,760
is happening? 
Let it be what it is that that 

570
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,280
cold moment or that car accident
or that bad phone call. 

571
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,720
Like have your feelings, have 
your have your F bomb, have your

572
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,760
whatever happens in the in the 
cold and then begin to re 

573
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,480
regulate yourself, you know? 
Do you combine sauna a lot with 

574
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480
cold or do you like to use them 
separate? 

575
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,000
Or how do you? 
I use cold more often than I use

576
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,520
heat and cold. 
I also like went to two big 

577
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,520
trainings. 
I got my advanced sauna master 

578
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,560
certification. 
So I'm like, cool, where's that?

579
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,880
That's I know. 
It's so interesting. 

580
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,280
I went to the first one in 
London and the second one was in

581
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,600
the Carolinas. 
Like someone came over from the 

582
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,760
German organization and worked 
with the gentleman here. 

583
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,320
Cool to run an advanced sauna 
master. 

584
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,960
What is What is to be a sauna 
master? 

585
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,760
What are you? 
It's? 

586
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,560
So interesting. 
So people ask. 

587
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,240
Someone asked me to party the 
other day and I was like, well, 

588
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,160
basically I can like wave a 
towel to circulate the heat and 

589
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,680
ventilate A sauna. 
I can use oils and I can drag 

590
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,800
out a passed out body. 
You know what I mean? 

591
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,960
Like that's like you're a. 
Sauna lifeguard. 

592
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,280
And when you graduate, you get a
crown and it's made of a wool 

593
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:45,880
sauna hat. 
Yeah. 

594
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,200
You do you. 
Do you get a wool sauna hat when

595
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,480
you graduate? 
Yeah. 

596
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,040
I mean, it's it's Listen, I'm 
definitely not as wildly 

597
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,040
entertaining as some people who 
like practice towel waving every

598
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,520
day. 
And I really do get into the 

599
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,240
oils and. 
I've I have a question on towel 

600
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:00,800
waving. 
Yeah. 

601
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,080
Is there like? 
Is there like a particular? 

602
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,040
What is towel waving? 
Yeah. 

603
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,880
I mean, I've seen I've done it 
right, but I imagine there's 

604
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,000
some kind of particular method 
for it if they're teaching it. 

605
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,400
And it's almost, of course. 
Yeah, is there like what's the 

606
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,280
strategy for towel? 
With there are some people who 

607
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,400
are like are so advanced and 
they're like spinning 2 towels 

608
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,320
and it looks like they're 
spinning pizzas and they're just

609
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,960
getting everything circulated. 
I'm still a one towel girl right

610
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,000
now, but we'll get there. 
We'll get there. 

611
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Yeah. 
Whirling Dersh. 

612
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,280
What is it? 
Whirling Garnish in the sauna. 

613
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,480
It's kind of that vibe. 
That's like a pretty great 

614
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,640
reference. 
It's kind of that vibe, yeah. 

615
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,560
I mean, it's like circulating. 
You're wanting to bring like the

616
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,560
heat that billows. 
It's up at the top of the sauna 

617
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,000
down and circulated throughout 
the whole entire room or the 

618
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,400
sauna, you know, whatever type 
of sauna that you're in. 

619
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,920
It's harder to do in barrel 
saunas. 

620
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,960
I I was working at CUYAH last 
year quite a bit doing it there.

621
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,440
And it's super beautiful 
practice. 

622
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,160
And it's, it's an opportunity 
for people to really like Alf 

623
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,000
Goos is what it's called, which 
is mean in German word for 

624
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,880
infusion. 
And so it's infusion of the oils

625
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,440
in these snowballs that go on 
top of the rocks or sometimes 

626
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,560
people use beads that like soak 
up oils. 

627
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,880
Yeah. 
So I would make crank, hand 

628
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,640
crank snowballs and put oil and 
spin a towel and dance around 

629
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,120
and play different styles of 
music or, you know, that's a 

630
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:15,400
it's a, it's like entertainment 
15 minute sessions. 

631
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,280
And then people are like, OK, 
cool. 

632
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,280
And then they go do their cold 
or whatnot. 

633
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,040
But. 
You mostly prefer doing cold. 

634
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,400
I mean, I just like cold. 
Like I have an ice barrel at 

635
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,520
home and I like to go in it and 
just, yeah. 

636
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,680
What's your daily? 
My daily, I'm not doing cold 

637
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,360
every single day and I just 
transitioned from this gig in LA

638
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,000
and LA I was doing it 3 or 4 
times a week. 

639
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,600
It's great when you have 
something in your backyard, 

640
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,760
right? 
So I had an ice barrel set up in

641
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,720
the backyard. 
I could go out. 

642
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,400
It's a chiller. 
I don't even have to buy ice. 

643
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,560
Back in the day, it was like I 
had a through on my roof with a 

644
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,800
chest freezer. 
First the chest freezer was 

645
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,560
there to hold ice cubes because 
I felt irresponsible to make the

646
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,320
chest freezer freezer a cold 
plunge and then be online 

647
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,440
plunging because I felt like 
electricity and water and people

648
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,000
were still. 
It was very, the jury was still 

649
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,320
out, but eventually that chest 
freezer then became my cold 

650
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,720
plunge. 
So I didn't have to go. 

651
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,520
They would deliver ice to, I was
on the 3rd floor walk up and 

652
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,840
they would deliver ice to the 
ground floor and be like my 

653
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,440
work, my, my work out of the 
day. 

654
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,240
I'd be like carrying, you know, 
250 pounds, £300 plus of ice up 

655
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,720
twice a week when they delivered
it and then using it for cold 

656
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,400
plunging. 
But yeah, I mean, 3-4 times a 

657
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,880
week is, is my ideal. 
And I don't have a sauna at my 

658
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,240
house. 
So if I'm doing sauna, it's 

659
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,520
maybe a couple times a month. 
It's a sauna at the gym and you 

660
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,960
know, other places I go, but if 
I had a sauna at my house, if I 

661
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,000
had a sauna at my house. 
Anyone out there who has a sauna

662
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,760
company that's listening? 
I've had a sauna at my house. 

663
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,800
I would promote the shit out of 
it and be in it all the time. 

664
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,720
I feel like with Texas, because 
it's so hot, this is what I tell

665
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,880
Tony. 
I'm like, we got to get a cold 

666
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,320
plunge because just go on a hour
long walk in the middle of the 

667
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,040
day in Texas in the summer and 
then get in the cold plunge 

668
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,760
afterwards would be so exciting,
right? 

669
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,240
Right after as soon as you get 
home, I mean, and then you get 

670
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,080
the actual sun benefits and 
being outside benefits. 

671
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,440
I'm curious, I want to switch to
like athlete breathing. 

672
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Like what are some of the ways 
individuals are not breathing 

673
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,920
well when they work out? 
Or athletes, they're exhausting 

674
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,800
them faster? 
Yeah, yeah, great question. 

675
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,680
Performance breathing for 
athletics is I've worked with an

676
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,440
MMA fighter and an Olympic 
skater and a university swim 

677
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,840
team, swim team for three years 
in breath and cold. 

678
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,240
It was very beautiful to watch 
the expansion of that happen. 

679
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,200
Like how people changed. 
I think like the first when I 

680
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,440
got my first professional 
athlete was an MMA fighter up in

681
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,280
the Dallas group. 
And I drove up there and was 

682
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,520
like, I'm going to walk into 
this like grappling session of 

683
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,400
38 people and I have one client 
right there. 

684
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,680
But like, I might as well have a
lollipop and pigtails. 

685
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,360
Like, look at me like I'm not 
anything close to an MMA 

686
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,840
fighter. 
Like, I don't understand. 

687
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,840
And of course I did my research 
to understand it fully. 

688
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,760
But this is what's interesting 
about getting hired. 

689
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,680
I was hired to work with a woman
fighter and to work with her cut

690
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,440
coach and to talk about 
nutrition as well. 

691
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,200
She's another part of my 
background as well as breath and

692
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,680
cold. 
And as I got up there and I 

693
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,920
walked into the space, I was 
like, oh, actually, no one in 

694
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,360
this room really knows how to 
breathe at all for what they're 

695
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,600
doing except like one guy. 
And just coincidentally, that 

696
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,160
guy had the best record. 
So that was like really 

697
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,200
interesting for me to to watch 
and witness. 

698
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,560
And I will say, like the, the 
head coach of the whole team was

699
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,960
super respectful about me being 
there and like ask kind of 

700
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,320
including me and asking me 
questions in the first session 

701
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,560
or so I was there. 
But then just like really 

702
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,720
watching and learning and 
understanding that like if you 

703
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,520
watch, let's just use wrestling 
or boxing or fighting as an 

704
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,520
example. 
If you watch a good match and 

705
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,720
you see this more with like 
Gracie and stuff. 

706
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,320
But like these people are all 
potentiating their work with 

707
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,560
breath. 
They know that it's in the 

708
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,960
industry now, but if you see if 
you're watching like amateur R 

709
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,520
pro fight or something, you can 
kind of see that the person who 

710
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,640
like drops their mouth and 
starts mouth breathing first is 

711
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,640
probably the person who's going 
to lose or go down first or like

712
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,040
take the next big hit. 
And it's just like it's the 

713
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,360
beginning of like the the 
sympathetic Dr. Of course you're

714
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,440
going to be in a flow state in 
sympathetic fighting, but it's 

715
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:04,680
like, how long can you nasal 
breathe? 

716
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,840
How long can you keep keep 
yourself collected? 

717
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,320
How long can you be in some 
state of regulation more than 

718
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,640
your opponent? 
And so it's interesting to watch

719
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,560
that. 
And there's ways that you can 

720
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,400
practice. 
There's ways that you can train 

721
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,880
for that with like respiratory 
muscle training devices and then

722
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,720
specific breathing style 
techniques that help an athlete 

723
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,880
be better, faster, stronger. 
It's like when you get to that 

724
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,920
level of athletics, like if you 
look at the swim team, what 

725
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,400
makes someone win versus come in
second is like 1, pull of a 

726
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,800
breath, right? 
One turn to the side and pull of

727
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,280
a breath in the water. 
And 1, you know it's going to be

728
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,960
adding strokes, it's going to 
slow down their time. 

729
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,680
It's breaking the water plane so
that the difference is that 

730
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,120
much. 
If you train someone enough that

731
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,760
they can take one last breath 
across the water, if you train 

732
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200
someone that their panic 
response when the gun goes off, 

733
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,880
off the swimming blocks is less 
or they've practiced enough. 

734
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Like this is where cold exposure
comes in so well is you're 

735
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,000
practicing and running breath 
and then you're teaching people 

736
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,360
to be like go into shock and 
then still regulate and go into 

737
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,280
shock and then still regulate 
when the gun goes off. 

738
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,440
They're like, OK, cool, I've 
done this 100,000 times before 

739
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,000
and I get it. 
And that saving and shaving of a

740
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,960
second of off of time makes a 
difference between like AW or an

741
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,840
L on the board, right? 
And so the women's Dennison swim

742
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,840
team after 23 years, won their 
first women's championship and 

743
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,600
their division just, you know, 
of course there's lots of 

744
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,880
coaches and lots of practice and
I'm not taking all the credit, 

745
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,280
but just 5 minutes a day on the 
deck required by the coaches to 

746
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,680
do. 
And you can see people's like 

747
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,000
getting swimmers getting better 
and better and better and better

748
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,640
at breathing techniques and 
understanding. 

749
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,720
And you can see in the beginning
what's also really interesting 

750
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,520
about athletes when you work 
with a team is some of the 

751
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,800
athletes are like, this is 
bullshit. 

752
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,240
We're doing 5 minutes of 
breathing, whatever. 

753
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,120
I'm just going to like think 
about my homework assignment or 

754
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,040
blow this off or just I'm going 
to lay down and look like I'm 

755
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,160
doing it. 
But no one can tell if you're 

756
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,600
doing it or not. 
But then they start to notice 

757
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,240
that the other swimmers are 
getting better and there's 

758
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,720
change happening in the 
Physiology. 

759
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,880
And then they're like, wait, 
what? 

760
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,160
What are we doing again in the 
morning? 

761
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,320
And so it's this really 
interesting turn of events that 

762
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,920
can happen. 
And performance breathing is at 

763
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,760
that level. 
Like whether it's swimming or 

764
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,199
fighting or skating or whatever,
it's going to be like that's, 

765
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,480
that makes all the difference 
and how long you can go and how 

766
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,480
you can feel. 
And like, we were just talking 

767
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,120
before we recorded about I was 
working with Ariana Grande's 

768
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,920
world tour dancers. 
If you want to get on stage and 

769
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,679
do like the best iteration of 
choreography that's been given 

770
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:29,719
to you and just fully like land 
it and, and look amazing and, 

771
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,600
and do all that you can. 
But when you breathe yourself 

772
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,760
back into some level of flow 
state and you can actually like 

773
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,080
put your flavour, your style, 
your personality into that 

774
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,880
choreography, it just translates
energetically to an audience in 

775
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,440
a very different way. 
It lands differently. 

776
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,320
There's like ownership, there's 
joy in it. 

777
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,080
There's like less, Oh my God, 
what's the next step? 

778
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,320
I don't know what is happening. 
And if shit hits the the fan in 

779
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,520
the middle of like, let's say a 
riser doesn't come up with 

780
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,719
someone on it or something 
happens with a musician or 

781
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,360
someone falls. 
Like if you're training for that

782
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,000
stress tolerance, whether it's 
cold or breath, you just you 

783
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,600
land the number so much more 
effectively and so much it just 

784
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,520
a deeper level of entertainment.
I noticed the this just even for

785
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,360
the regular individual like 
clients is they finish the set 

786
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,160
something's like hard, but they 
can exacerbate how overwhelming 

787
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,040
it is by not regulate their 
regulating their breathing, not 

788
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,680
slowing down and intentionally 
trying to like slow the exhales,

789
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,000
take full breaths and slow the 
exhales. 

790
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,480
They just like keep that and 
it's almost like if you just 

791
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,520
bring your awareness to just 
even slowing your breath, you're

792
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,240
also giving your mind a place to
focus and not be in the 

793
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,920
overwhelm so that you also now 
your mind's not freaking out 

794
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,080
your breath. 
Your mind follows your breath, 

795
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,280
right? 
And so it gives you kind of like

796
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,160
a place to anchor. 
I try like when I do zone 2 or 

797
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,720
go higher, like aerobic 
intervals to try to only nasal 

798
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,840
breathe to like challenge myself
to like lengthen the inhale 

799
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,440
exhales. 
And I'll tell clients how to 

800
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,120
like you can regulate your 
system. 

801
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,440
Like before you go to bed, go on
walks and start to play around 

802
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,240
with how long you can make your 
inhale exhales through your nose

803
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,760
cause in your body will stay 
breathing through your nose when

804
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,680
you go to sleep right then in 
like a it's an easy way to just 

805
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,360
practice your nasal. 
Yeah. 

806
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,680
You're just training your system
to be better and better and 

807
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:22,720
better at it. 
Yeah. 

808
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,520
And like, I know the nose, nose,
and we talk about nose breathing

809
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,560
a lot, but it's important. 
It's the important system. 

810
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,280
Do you have any breathing 
techniques for when like you're 

811
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,480
at that peak, you know, like MMA
fighters, they're at that last 

812
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,440
round, they can probably barely 
breathe, right? 

813
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,640
You can barely get any air. 
Is there any techniques to just 

814
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,520
stay in just a little bit 
longer? 

815
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,320
Yeah, I mean, dumping CO2 is 
like a technique. 

816
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,760
It's not going to work forever, 
right? 

817
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,920
Like over and over and over 
again. 

818
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,000
I will like do this talk about 
this with any athlete, any 

819
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,680
human, the dancers specifically.
When the lights go down and you 

820
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,760
have a moment and no one can 
really see or are you go to the 

821
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,880
side stage wings for 30 seconds 
or something, you can do like 

822
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,960
what I call Candlestick 
breathing with the dancer 

823
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,080
specifically is like just 
breathing out, right? 

824
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,800
You're dumping the CO2, which is
like actually moving the needle 

825
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,560
down because the thing that 
makes us take a bigger breath or

826
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,240
need to breathe more is the 
levels of CO2 that have risen in

827
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:16,920
the body. 
So while you can't beat the 

828
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,080
system forever, you can dump 
CO2. 

829
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,520
So you can buy some time back. 
You can buy a little bit more 

830
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,840
regulation back. 
You can buy at least less 

831
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,000
breathiness to be able to 
collect yourself a little bit 

832
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,120
for those few moments. 
It's like when I'm in a spin 

833
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,000
class right before the 
instructor is like, oh, we're 

834
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,280
going to do a sprints, a Sprint 
effort or sprints or something 

835
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,920
in a row, whatever they say 
right before they do that. 

836
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,760
I like take 3 to 5 big 
Candlestick breaths where I like

837
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,400
dump CO2 so that I know that I 
can make it through the Sprint 

838
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,240
even further, even longer. 
Because this is like the 

839
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,160
interesting thing about 
sprinting too with the energy 

840
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,000
systems. 
Not so big. 

841
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,240
Be boring in science. 
It's like you can't really 

842
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,760
Sprint more than like a real 
full out Sprint isn't going to 

843
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,320
be more than 30 seconds. 
Like it's just not. 

844
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,120
And then you go to a class and 
I'm like, we're doing a 45 

845
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,720
seconds Sprint and I'm like, 
well, are we? 

846
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,480
But I'll dump, I'll dump CO2 and
like a fighter can do that. 

847
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,160
A skater could do that before 
they're going to do like a, you 

848
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,200
know, a, a big power move into 
a, a jump turn or something. 

849
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,320
And there's, there's a lot of 
ways to, to utilize that kind of

850
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,840
breathing. 
Just, it won't work forever, 

851
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,880
right? 
You can't do it over and over 

852
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:14,880
again. 
Eventually, you're spent. 

853
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,800
Yeah, you're gonna run out. 
Yeah. 

854
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,960
I have a breathing question for 
you, and it's wrapped in a story

855
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,400
and it's something that I've 
been curious about for like 15 

856
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,760
years. 
OK cool, I hope I know the 

857
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,320
answer. 
OK, let's find out. 

858
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,760
I feel, I feel like you will. 
When I was in high school, I was

859
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,600
on the rowing team and we did a 
lot of running and a lot of 

860
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,000
conditioning work. 
And every time we'd run, I would

861
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,600
get intense, like side aches, 
like those, like the pain you 

862
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,320
get in your side when you're 
running and kind of out of 

863
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,440
breath. 
And my coach told me just 

864
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,040
breathe, like inhale every time 
they pick a foot. 

865
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,680
And whichever foot you pick, 
breathe, inhale every time it 

866
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,560
hits the ground and then exhale 
every time the other foot hits 

867
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,600
the ground. 
And or something like that. 

868
00:38:59,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

869
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:03,360
But basically I did that and my 
side pains just went away. 

870
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,240
I'd feel a side pain, I would do
the breathing and it'd be gone 

871
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,160
within like 20 steps. 
Yeah. 

872
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,680
And so I'm curious, what's the 
mechanism that's going on there?

873
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,680
Obviously I'm controlling my 
breath more than I was 

874
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,320
previously, but why would that 
make side pain? 

875
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,080
Go yeah, I mean like it's a 
great question and I'm not sure 

876
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,160
that I know 100% the the full 
physiological answer except to 

877
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,200
say that when we over breathe, 
we have a calcium shift in the 

878
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,640
body. 
It's like why when people go 

879
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,440
into a class that's like a DMT 
breathing, which debatable, but 

880
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,000
like, you know, or just like 
breakthrough transformational 

881
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,080
breath work when people are 
breathing really heavily that 

882
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,680
they get tetany. 
So like you'll get cramps in the

883
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,120
fingers, the hands, the feet, 
the. 

884
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,080
Jaw, the finger claw. 
Yeah, it looks like, yeah, 

885
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,560
lobster claws. 
And I'm people are always like, 

886
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,960
you're doing it right. 
And it's like, OK, people. 

887
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,280
Get that in like shamanic 
experiences too sometimes. 

888
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,920
Totally. 
And there's like this is like 

889
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,760
it's a it's a really, this is 
like a fun question for this 

890
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,120
show specifically, because I 
think you have a swath of 

891
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,240
listeners on like both sides of 
the fence, right? 

892
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,240
There's like the science piece 
that's like it's tetany. 

893
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,440
It's a calcium shift in the 
cells at a cellular level. 

894
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,120
And then as you breathe yourself
back to normal, it re regulates 

895
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,080
in the system and all the 
technique kind of goes away. 

896
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,680
And then you have a faction of 
people that's like, this is 

897
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,640
trauma moving through the body. 
This is energy. 

898
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,240
This is and I'm not making fun 
of it because like actually, we 

899
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:20,480
don't fucking know, like the 5D 
and consciousness and you know, 

900
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,000
dispenses work and like aliens 
and AII mean like all of that, 

901
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,400
right? 
There's so there's so much of 

902
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,600
that there. 
In the world, so we don't fully 

903
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,240
know and like, are you moving 
energy? 

904
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,120
Like I'm moving a lot of energy 
when I'm doing big styles of 

905
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,840
breath and whether I don't get a
lot of technique anymore because

906
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,480
my system is quite used to that.
But like it as it's moving 

907
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,360
through you, they're going to be
there will be releases from 

908
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,640
things that I think like your 
body's holding on to overtime. 

909
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,480
So I imagine it has a little bit
to do with the way you were 

910
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,880
breathing, maybe over breathing 
through your mouth a bit. 

911
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,000
And I imagine it has some 
correlate there and also getting

912
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,440
yourself on like a pace and 
cadence where oxygenating the 

913
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,200
tissues in a way that feels as 
optimal as possible for running.

914
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:05,360
It's like, and I imagine that he
was saying like you're if you're

915
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,160
pacing at a run that there's 
like an exhale happening on the 

916
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,160
right foot every 4th strike or 
something. 

917
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,320
I'm just guessing. 
And what I like for runners is 

918
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:20,000
that there's like a two-part 
inhale, nose, mouth and then 

919
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,080
like blowing out. 
That's like how I like to run, 

920
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,280
but with the the proper pacing. 
So you're not over breathing 

921
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,720
when you do that. 
Good coach though that he went 

922
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,280
right to breath to help you with
cramps my when I ran cross 

923
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,840
country. 
Yeah, not just like drink more 

924
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,200
Gatorade. 
Yeah, exactly. 

925
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,640
Well, magnesium. 
Don't be a bitch. 

926
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Keep. 
Running which? 

927
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,520
I also got a lot of too. 
But yeah, yeah, when I ran cost 

928
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:40,560
could. 
Be a high school coach, Yeah. 

929
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,200
This is like a random thing. 
I've never even spoken the 

930
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,560
story. 
I think probably, but when I ran

931
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,440
cross country there. 
Was. 

932
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,760
There was a note, I know the 
silliest exclusive you've ever 

933
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,080
heard. 
There was a notion amongst the 

934
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,200
girls on the team that if you 
had cramps and you did a forward

935
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,000
roll that they would go away. 
So we'd literally be in cross 

936
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,920
country races. 
It's like you're no, you know, 

937
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,240
you're up in the hills, you're 
running through things and you'd

938
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:02,520
see some of the girls on the 
team. 

939
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,200
We do like we go down and do a 
little forward roll and then get

940
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,040
up and keep running. 
Somehow I don't know what you 

941
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,360
know, who knows what was going. 
On if you had like a stomach. 

942
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Cramp like a stomach cramp, we 
just do like a forward roll 

943
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,400
really quick and get back up and
keep running and I'm talking 

944
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,520
about high school like we had no
idea, but I'm there's some 

945
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,240
mechanism of action that felt 
like it worked. 

946
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,160
I don't know if it was like 
placebo or it was like forcing a

947
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,880
long exhale re regulating your 
breath. 

948
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,720
I mean, who knows but we. 
Should try that at festivals 

949
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,480
when people are 100. 
When people are tripping out. 

950
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,720
We like do a roll, do a roll. 
If you just do 3 rolls, you 

951
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,240
won't be. 
True, and then they take three 

952
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,760
they. 
Take 3 pills. 

953
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,360
No, no different roll. 
Roll. 

954
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,880
You got to take a whip it now. 
Yeah. 

955
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,320
But the other thing I would say,
I think that's like important 

956
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,800
piece that I want to like shout 
out is in the world of like, if 

957
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,120
we're going to talk a little bit
about some of the thematics of 

958
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,960
your show, whether it's, you 
know, mycology, mushrooms, MDMA,

959
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,840
ayahuasca, whatever people are 
talking about in the world and 

960
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,080
landscape of traditional and non
traditional psychedelics that 

961
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,520
there's like a notion of like 
for their breath is a really big

962
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,640
component of tapping into the 
state that you are creating the 

963
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,800
altar straight that you're 
wanting to be in or the the 

964
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,960
discoveries to follow the 
threads to see what's happening.

965
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,160
I think also in the moments 
where you feel like it's pretty 

966
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,520
intense, right? 
There's a level of either like 

967
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,040
stress or colour or things are 
melting or whatever's going on 

968
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,840
or there your, your amygdala is 
dropping offline a bit or 

969
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,800
whatever's, you know, happening 
in your journey that you can 

970
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,880
actually like follow the threads
and keep more clarity and feel 

971
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,800
into your nervous system in a 
way that that just brings you 

972
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,040
back or at least gets you 
clarity. 

973
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,640
A couple weeks ago with my 
friend Julianne, who's an amazed

974
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,800
shout out to Julianne. 
She's an amazing therapist. 

975
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,840
I did a three gram journey and 
she was, I had a whole hour of 

976
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,200
like nervous system just shaking
like in a way that she was like,

977
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,760
are you cold? 
She's checking in on me and 

978
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,680
she's doing all the right 
things. 

979
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,400
But it was like it was pretty, 
it was a pretty heightened 

980
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,160
experience for me in a sense of 
that I couldn't stop, right? 

981
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,880
It's like, it's actually just, I
would say the nervous system 

982
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,720
like reprocessing and closing 
the loop on a lot of stressors 

983
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,200
and a lot of challenges and a 
lot of things. 

984
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Would that be like traumas in my
life, whatever we want to call 

985
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,840
them, hyper vigilance, things 
I'm holding on to in my system. 

986
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,680
And it was, it was like, I only 
knew that I was OK because there

987
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,040
was someone there who was very 
experienced at like sitting. 

988
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,240
And Julianne Chapman is her name
sitting with me. 

989
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,520
And and because I knew that I 
had to tether to my breath. 

990
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,920
It was scary. 
And I was also like, OK, you're 

991
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,440
fine. 
Like there's a breath, there's a

992
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,080
body, there's a person. 
I was having a lot of notions 

993
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,440
around like, oh, I don't want 
to. 

994
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,800
I don't want the mess, the mess,
that medicine to make me 

995
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,920
disappear. 
It was like a lot of the notion 

996
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,800
that I was having and so do 
being able to just like, breathe

997
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,840
through that. 
I was like inhaling, exhaling 

998
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,120
long straw, like breathing 
through a straw. 

999
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,760
I was having moments of like big
gasps of air. 

1000
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,120
But I just, it kept me enough in
touch with my body throughout 

1001
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,920
that whole process that I could 
feel safe. 

1002
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,880
And so yeah, I think it's so 
important for practitioners to, 

1003
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,600
to layer breath work in, for 
people to utilize breath in just

1004
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,240
like many different areas of 
their life. 

1005
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,680
And even if it's someone who's 
like 3 pills at a concert or 

1006
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,120
whatever, like has to go over in
the corner, like just connecting

1007
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,520
back with your sister by using 
your breath. 

1008
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,720
Yeah, exactly. 
You really shouldn't dabble in 

1009
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,640
psychedelics if you don't have 
some awareness of breath control

1010
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,320
or, you know, a meditation on 
your breath awareness. 

1011
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,960
That's your best tool because 
that's the only thing that no 

1012
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000
one's going to be able to pull 
you out other than, you know, in

1013
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
those deep moments yourself with
your breath. 

1014
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a couple 
years now I've been working, 

1015
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,680
yeah. 
I mean, we're talking about a 

1016
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,040
podcast, but I've been working 
in sort of the space of IFS, 

1017
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,280
parts work, NLP, hypnotherapy, 
using MDMA and psilocybin with 

1018
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,440
people to really like process 
like very therapeutic sense. 

1019
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,880
And I'd made it took me a long 
time, 7-8 years of doing this 

1020
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,720
work before I felt like, am I 
going to actually dose people? 

1021
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,080
I'm actually going to like, I 
don't think I'll ever be that 

1022
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,800
person. 
I was working in like ayahuasca 

1023
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,720
circles and doing breath and 
cold people. 

1024
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,800
Like you're doing cold exposure 
and ayahuasca. 

1025
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,880
No. 
In between the two days of a 

1026
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,600
weekend, I do cold exposure for 
everyone, which is like this 

1027
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,800
really massive opening for 
people because you'd notice the 

1028
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,720
night after everyone is so 
connected because they've been 

1029
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:17,200
through this monumental second 
experience and breathing them 

1030
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,720
down and being in service. 
And then, yeah, a couple years 

1031
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:23,240
ago, I went through like a dark 
night of the soul and super 

1032
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:26,000
thankful for that experience. 
It's hard to even imagine that I

1033
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,200
can say that now, but it brought
me to much deeper into the world

1034
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,120
of psychedelics. 
And then and then I just knew in

1035
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,360
like the first journey where my 
eyes open and I was like, oh, 

1036
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,400
there's a light at the end of 
the tunnel for my depression and

1037
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,160
my anxiety. 
I know that I can take all the 

1038
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,920
tools that I have had for the 
last 8 plus years and health 

1039
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,080
coaching and health optimization
and bring it into a portal that 

1040
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,120
is medicine space for, for 
people who want like therapeutic

1041
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,280
activation and release of things
in their life and help people 

1042
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,760
work through their shit. 
And there's just the breath 

1043
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,040
comes in so powerfully handy. 
And I don't put them in cold 

1044
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,160
until their integration period. 
But it's a really beautiful gift

1045
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,200
to be able to just give people 
like the three or four things 

1046
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,640
that they can do. 
And then, yeah, put my hands on 

1047
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,480
their body with consent, of 
course, and make sure that 

1048
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,840
they're feeling like there's a 
through line there. 

1049
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,040
So I like, I love that you guys 
continue to also like uncap the 

1050
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,840
bottle and all this conversation
on your show. 

1051
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:17,680
Totally. 
Yeah. 

1052
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Do you now, do you dose 
psychedelics for people and 

1053
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,040
incorporate that with cold as 
well? 

1054
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,880
Or do you always wait until 
integration time? 

1055
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,880
I always I don't have anyone in 
cold water when they're in an 

1056
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,440
altered state because I believe 
cold is its own altered state. 

1057
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,520
And there's also some dangers 
with with people and medicine in

1058
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,440
cold. 
I've I've microdosed in cold 

1059
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,040
plunge for sure. 
I think that there's like a 

1060
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,040
capability there. 
I also would say like. 

1061
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,240
Personal practice. 
Personal practice advanced. 

1062
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,880
Yeah, exactly. 
Don't try this at home, kids. 

1063
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,120
This is coming from the guy that
ripped the DMT pen in the float 

1064
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,520
tank. 
I know and that's like but we 

1065
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,560
just we just heard a story about
someone who was doing I don't 

1066
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,880
know if it was Iboga or DMT and 
and drowned like went out for a 

1067
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,200
swim and. 
Iboga is a horrible idea because

1068
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,120
it basically paralyzes you. 
Yeah, like I said, it'd be like.

1069
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,240
Doing a high dose of ketamine 
and be like, let's go swimming 

1070
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,640
by myself when we were doing the
game recently. 

1071
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,840
They're like totally. 
They're the day after. 

1072
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,440
They're like stay away from the 
fucking pool. 

1073
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,320
We've. 
Dealt luckily the like doctor's 

1074
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,720
quarters like looks right at it,
but you're like, oh, I for sure 

1075
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:22,920
would drown if I fell in that 
room. 

1076
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,160
Yeah, your body's already 
liquid. 

1077
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,320
Yeah, you're like, it would be 
very peaceful, but yeah, bad 

1078
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,440
idea. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1079
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,960
You were down there for seven 
days, right? 

1080
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,360
You went for the full stint. 
Yeah, That's amazing. 

1081
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,320
Yeah, amazing. 
Yeah, amazing place. 

1082
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,080
It was our first real time 
meeting and I already know that 

1083
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,000
you were down there. 
Like I hear all the T about all 

1084
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,640
the centers and stuff. 
It's so beautiful. 

1085
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,480
Yeah, Beyond is an incredible 
place. 

1086
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,720
Yeah, I look forward to going 
back to have a second place. 

1087
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,760
They just opened up. 
It's like a mansion they put on 

1088
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,240
the water. 
It's kind of like for alumni ish

1089
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,640
high profile, whatever, smaller,
but they're starting to play 

1090
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,920
around with a protocol that's 
more of a it's called. 

1091
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,200
It's like a fragmented dose. 
So instead of like a bolus, like

1092
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,360
a huge and then two like 
boosters, you separate, you 

1093
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,200
actually do more and you 
separate them between 3 three 

1094
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,600
different like do one rest do 
one. 

1095
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,800
And from what I understand, it's
not until like the second time, 

1096
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,320
second dosing that you start to 
even get visions and it's much 

1097
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,960
more smooth supposedly. 
So interesting new protocol. 

1098
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,840
How's your integration going? 
You're still in your 

1099
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,840
neuroplastic metaplastic window.
Supposedly I probably pushed 

1100
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:33,800
myself out a little faster, but 
yeah, the like core things I 

1101
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,640
went for for sure were resolved.
But I'm like damn, there's still

1102
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,000
a lot of shit to work on, but 
it's incredible what it just 

1103
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,360
does for like regenerating the 
system. 

1104
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,440
I don't think I've ever done a 
psychedelic that hits your 

1105
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,120
nervous system and your brain 
just like you feel so reset. 

1106
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,280
Like I could see how if you were
an athlete doing that, maybe 

1107
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,360
like a month to two months 
prior, you would be fucking on 

1108
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,040
fire on absolute on fire. 
So like tapped in. 

1109
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,320
Oh yeah, just like everything. 
When I was lifting weights, for 

1110
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,520
the first couple weeks it was 
like I felt like I was 20 years 

1111
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:11,240
old again. 
Everything. 

1112
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:15,520
There's no kinks, there was no 
inflammation, there was no just 

1113
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,240
everything felt like smooth in 
the movements and connection to 

1114
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:20,400
it. 
It was just wild. 

1115
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,120
So interesting. 
Like OK, if you go back and you 

1116
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,160
plant a little more, say you 
want to like OK, I want to come 

1117
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,920
back and learn specific things 
because you have that new open 

1118
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,280
window. 
And also just going down for 

1119
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,400
creative insights and 
processing. 

1120
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,160
I think it'll be a forever 
thing. 

1121
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,520
I practice just like ayahuasca, 
but very different. 

1122
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,000
It's like more the Earth plane 
earth story stuff you do here 

1123
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,680
and I feel like ayahuasca is the
telecommunication into the 

1124
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,400
universe. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so cool. 

1125
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,760
Yeah, yeah, these medicines are,
I think, a big part of the 

1126
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,960
future. 
I'm so glad that there's a 

1127
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,280
renaissance going on and that 
yeah, that people are finding 

1128
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,880
them in and using them in all 
the ways, of course, right. 

1129
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,840
People should do what they want 
in some way, but I just the 

1130
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,680
therapeutic use of these 
substances is so it's like this 

1131
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,120
speaks to how we expand our 
consciousness, especially at a 

1132
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,680
time when everything is moving 
so fast. 

1133
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,360
You know, I don't think we're 
going to any of us could even 

1134
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,480
guess what it's going to feel 
like 10 years from now in the 

1135
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,760
world. 
No, no, not at all. 

1136
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,680
Hopefully there are centers like
Beyond and places where it's 

1137
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,600
just end to end really taken 
care of, where you can drop your

1138
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,600
grandmother off who's never had 
an interest and she's totally 

1139
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,480
taken care of. 
And I think it's going to change

1140
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,720
if that happens and it's 
practiced by, you know, our 

1141
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,600
culture across the whole 
culture, how that will change 

1142
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,960
just the way people are to each 
other in general. 

1143
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,760
Yeah. 
Because I think a lot of the 

1144
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:57,360
just irritation with ones like 
people in society on the news 

1145
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,720
and all this comes from just 
unprocessed shit. 

1146
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,520
That's the like we're at all. 
I mean, it's like, listen, when 

1147
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,680
I'm sitting, I say in the hole I
was in, like I'm in the hole for

1148
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,080
six hours. 
But when I'm sitting in a 

1149
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,640
container with someone and I'm 
asking to speak to their 

1150
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,960
subconscious and they are in an 
altered state because they're 

1151
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:18,280
they're in MDMA or psilocybin, I
don't say tell me what happened 

1152
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,800
to you when you were 10. 
Tell me what happened to you 

1153
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,240
when you were five. 
Tell me what happened to you 

1154
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:24,120
when you were 16. 
And 90% of what people speak to 

1155
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,920
is things that happen. 
Like I'd say at least 18, if not

1156
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,720
16 and younger. 
It's just what comes up and it's

1157
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:31,240
what colors our entire 
perspective. 

1158
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,960
Like, as you both know, it's 
just so beautiful when people 

1159
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,920
are open enough to say, what are
the patterns that I've created, 

1160
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,040
but the mind that wasn't fully 
formed so that I can unpack them

1161
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,440
now and, and maybe pull off the 
things and pull out the things 

1162
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,640
that I don't want to be doing 
and utilizing anymore. 

1163
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,920
Or at least integrate the why. 
This is why integration is so 

1164
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,520
important. 
I think it's we don't give it 

1165
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,800
enough credit. 
We're like walking around people

1166
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,400
walking around Austin being 
like, I did my 42nd ayahuasca 

1167
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,680
journey. 
I'm done MDMA 52 times this 

1168
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,600
year. 
It's like, I think we can stand 

1169
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,840
Paul Austin is like, you stand 
in the doorway of psychedelics 

1170
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,760
and you get to see the landscape
that's in front of you. 

1171
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,160
But if you don't do any 
integration work, you like you 

1172
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,000
don't ever walk into that plane 
or that level. 

1173
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,400
You just like close the door 
and, and you're back in the 

1174
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,600
door. 
You just stay in the doorway. 

1175
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,880
So it's like, how do we get to a
space where we can say, OK, 

1176
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,360
here's the shit. 
I'm actually learning. 

1177
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,200
And This is why, like I'm, I, I,
I love the work that I'm doing 

1178
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,920
with people because I, with 
their consent, take, put an AI 

1179
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,800
recorder on, I take copious 
notes, took 18 pages of, of 

1180
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,920
notes on my last client. 
I put together a whole 

1181
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,880
integration plan. 
At the very least, I'm saying 

1182
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,080
here are all the parts of your 
subconscious that came up 

1183
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,680
because we forgot like 90% of 
what happens when we're like 

1184
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,400
under the influence. 
And so here's all the parts of 

1185
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,120
you that came up just through an
IFS, you know, internal family 

1186
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,680
systems lens. 
Here are the, the things that 

1187
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,200
like your subconscious is kind 
of shouting that it wants, 

1188
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,160
right, which is like you telling
you, you telling me so I can 

1189
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,160
tell you back what you actually 
want and need in life. 

1190
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,320
And, and then really being what 
I, I always say like I'm a firm 

1191
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,320
but fair integration coach, 
right? 

1192
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,200
Since like sometimes people are 
like, oh, I don't want to do 

1193
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,840
another integration call. 
And it's like, we just got to 

1194
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,480
sit on the phone and just have 
some conversation around what 

1195
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,800
you're working on unpacking. 
And I'll, I'll work with 

1196
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,520
couples. 
And it's really interesting too,

1197
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,960
to just see how they, they, they
navigate that space like hot 

1198
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,480
couples that have been together 
for 20 years and they're like, 

1199
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,640
they don't ever tell each other.
Like, how do you like to be 

1200
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,800
loved? 
It's like, oh, actually, or 

1201
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,640
like, tell me how Herman likes 
to be loved. 

1202
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,920
And like Mary doesn't know how 
Herman, they've been together 

1203
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,880
forever. 
And it's it's an opportunity, I 

1204
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,920
think for empathy, an 
opportunity for putting your 

1205
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,440
fucking cards on the table. 
That's what I hope is going to 

1206
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,480
happen in the future is that 
people become more self aware, 

1207
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,160
then they become less scared. 
And then they can say, like, 

1208
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,560
this is mom my shit. 
This is my cards on the table. 

1209
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,720
This is what's real for me. 
So it's true for me. 

1210
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,080
Can you receive it in a way that
isn't in a heightened nervous 

1211
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,880
system state that goes all into 
your little Hardy poos and 

1212
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,880
childhood wounding? 
And actually, can you just 

1213
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,240
receive it? 
Because like, I want to, I want 

1214
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:56,760
to tell you, I love you. 
And I want to tell you this part

1215
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,000
isn't working. 
And I want to tell you this 

1216
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,080
thing that makes me really 
angry, but I don't want, I want 

1217
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,840
you to be able to receive it so 
you can hear it and let it land 

1218
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,600
and not self flame and figure 
that this is my story and your 

1219
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,080
story together. 
Have you guys been to Burning 

1220
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,320
Man? 
I have not. 

1221
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,120
Oh my God, you have to go. 
I know we're going to Shambhala 

1222
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,280
this year. 
Oh, OK, great. 

1223
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,280
Well, next year is the best year
for Burning Man if you. 

1224
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,160
Go. 
Why is it the best? 

1225
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Because you guys are going. 
Very nice to. 

1226
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:18,760
Do it. 
They've been waiting. 

1227
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,320
There was a sculpture of Burning
Man a number of years ago, I 

1228
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,080
forget the name of it. 
That's like, it's a wireframe 

1229
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,600
massive sculpture that's built 
of like two adults that are like

1230
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,240
slumping over and facing 
opposite directions back-to-back

1231
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,080
and inside 2 little children and
they're touching hands and it's 

1232
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,000
just like it. 
It gets me choked up every time 

1233
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,480
I see it. 
I talk about it a lot with 

1234
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,320
clients because this is like 
this is humanity. 

1235
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,200
This is what we're doing, 
especially when we're like our 

1236
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,320
best friends, our colleagues, 
our Co workers, our lovers, our 

1237
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,840
our, our partner for life or, or
what have you, the closest 

1238
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,200
people to us. 
This is like what we're doing 

1239
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,600
all the time. 
It's like, how do we just get to

1240
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,720
like be friends with our little 
inner inner kids, inner child 

1241
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,280
And then and how do we sort of 
share play and recognize like in

1242
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,440
regulation, we can actually 
speak our truth to each other 

1243
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,320
and be so human. 
And like, you know, in the words

1244
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,960
of Peter Crone, it's like, how 
can you be with what is right? 

1245
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,080
Which is like the hardest thing 
to do in the world because we 

1246
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,840
want what we want when we want 
it. 

1247
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,720
And I think there's just a lot 
of, I'm excited for the future 

1248
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,720
and the sense of people getting 
to be more connected with like 

1249
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,040
this, the essence of who they 
are so they can be with the 

1250
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,080
essence of all the right people 
in their world, you know? 

1251
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,640
Totally, then we can all play 
together more often. 

1252
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,040
Do you? 
You have your clients or even 

1253
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:32,080
yourself use AI with themselves 
for integration in any certain 

1254
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,360
way. 
Surely they are and in the 

1255
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,480
precursor to it as well, like in
an intention they use like the 

1256
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,800
four eyes from the Condor 
approach to like the intake 

1257
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,240
process is the first eye. 
And so in the intake process 

1258
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,640
when I'm setting up intake and 
then intention setting, they're 

1259
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,960
using AI for sure. 
I can tell by some of the things

1260
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,440
they turn in M dash and it's. 
Not this. 

1261
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,560
It's that. 
Yeah, and why exactly unlock the

1262
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,520
future? 
It's like, yeah, there's so it's

1263
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,680
so funny, but it's, it's also, 
it's a beautiful way for them 

1264
00:56:58,680 --> 00:56:59,920
to. 
I encourage them like get 

1265
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:03,280
whisper flow talking to the 
machines, see what they they 

1266
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,000
aggregate for you. 
And then sometimes for me as a 

1267
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,560
coach, it's helpful because it 
does a better job of summarizing

1268
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,840
when someone's in a hot 
emotional space, especially the 

1269
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,520
AI is just going to summarize in
a better way and say, oh, here's

1270
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,320
some things that are that are 
going on in the in in the 

1271
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,520
system. 
Yeah, I just. 

1272
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,120
Did what I've been doing real 
quick is when I got back from 

1273
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,480
beyond, I created a project 
folder and it's 90 days post 

1274
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,560
ibogaine or whatever and I'll 
just, I don't read anything. 

1275
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,400
I just tell it like look, I'm 
just going to brain dump and 

1276
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,000
I'll just keep logs of just 
insights, thoughts, feelings and

1277
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,160
I'll just voice to text and just
dump, dump, dump. 

1278
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:43,360
And I imagine later I can kind 
of look back and connect with 

1279
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,960
it, but I noticed just the 
process of sitting there and 

1280
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,920
speaking out loud and talking 
into it. 

1281
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,000
And then I could kind of like go
through it really quickly and 

1282
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,360
pull stuff. 
And sometimes I'll even just log

1283
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,240
my workouts and stuff in there 
too or whatever. 

1284
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,480
It's just like it's just 
complete free form in that 

1285
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:57,920
thing. 
Yeah. 

1286
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,520
And it's just tracking you. 
It's like a great how it's how 

1287
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,200
easy is this technology made it 
for us. 

1288
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,640
It's so beautiful and it can 
probably aggregate things and 

1289
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,840
tell you some like main key 
themes and what you need to work

1290
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:08,600
on. 
It's going to have its own 

1291
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,680
opinions depending on what what 
AI you're using I'm sure. 

1292
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,680
Sometimes I yell at it because 
it's like, you shouldn't be 

1293
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,240
doing that. 
And I was like, don't tell me. 

1294
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,320
What to do? 
Don't tell me what to do. 

1295
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,920
I just was in a ceremony. 
I'm the boss. 

1296
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,680
You're not the boss. 
I mean, I was in a ceremony 

1297
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
recently with a bunch of women 
and in the middle of the night, 

1298
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,560
you know, in the middle of the 
medicine, one of the women was 

1299
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,720
just said really loudly across 
the room. 

1300
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,160
If everybody would just be 
exactly who they are, then 

1301
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,920
everyone would get exactly what 
they want and need. 

1302
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,080
And I just thought, and the 
simplicity of that, you know, 

1303
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,120
there's just such truth. 
You know, if we fully are 

1304
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,040
expressed and we fully integrate
all the pieces that we learned, 

1305
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,000
then we can then we get what we 
need, we get what we want, you 

1306
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,440
know, like the right thing show 
up for us in the right times, 

1307
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,960
the right opportunities come. 
It's interesting place to split 

1308
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,880
to play. 
Before we go, is there like 

1309
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,320
what's the most, where is your 
curiosity taking you right now? 

1310
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,400
Like where are you kind of 
dabbling in going? 

1311
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,600
Where's your interest taking you
like right in this moment or 

1312
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,480
like moving into the future? 
Yeah. 

1313
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,880
I mean, I think like 8 or 9 
years ago when I started breath 

1314
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,120
work training was with a man 
named Casper Vandermeulen in 

1315
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,800
Amsterdam who's always been 
doing different types of 

1316
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,960
medicine work. 
And in the early years, he came 

1317
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,600
up to me very practical, like ex
science teacher, like musician, 

1318
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,400
very just very science driven 
and came up to me and just 

1319
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,040
setting the picture. 
So you're not like, OK, there's 

1320
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,480
this like kooky guy, but came up
to me in in the first couple of 

1321
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,640
years working with him and was 
like, I just went when you get 

1322
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,480
to the place where you recognize
that you're a medicine woman, 

1323
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,120
let me know. 
And I was like, this guy's, this

1324
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,360
stuff's like a woo comment. 
I'm like all about sports 

1325
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,200
performance. 
I'm all the stuff I know. 

1326
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,240
Well, I'm not. 
And he's like a brother for 

1327
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:54,400
another. 
Mother and I love his. 

1328
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,760
Wife but yeah yeah classic, 
classic conscious community when

1329
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,360
you when he's like when you're 
telling me you get to the point 

1330
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:00,920
you know you're a medicine woman
let me know you're a medicine 

1331
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:05,000
woman and I was like OK that's 
like silly and woo and that's 

1332
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,760
not me and whatever but I just I
think like there's a lot of 

1333
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,880
different type of medicine in 
this world and. 

1334
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,840
Breath is one of them. 
And it was like a, a very big 

1335
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,600
gateway to me getting into cold 
exposure, into contrast therapy.

1336
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,880
I've always been into 
biohacking. 

1337
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,040
I was one of the first females 
in the biohacking space to go 

1338
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,440
speak at the conference and all 
of that. 

1339
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,400
And it's like every single 
transferable skill that I've 

1340
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,600
built in my life, even from the 
days when I like launched Red 

1341
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,920
Bull in the United States. 
And all of that has like gotten 

1342
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,400
me to this place now where the 
underpinnings to do this work in

1343
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,640
medicine and working with 
psychedelics. 

1344
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,600
And while I don't have to work 
with traditional psychedelics 

1345
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,720
and I can work with breath and 
take people to like other planes

1346
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,840
of existence for shorter period 
of time, shorter periods of time

1347
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,160
and help people in sports 
performance and in being out of 

1348
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,560
anxiety and depression and all 
that. 

1349
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,080
Like this culmination of me 
working in the medicine space 

1350
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,880
and regulating nervous systems 
is is really what I say is like 

1351
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,240
my peak expression. 
And I don't know what will 

1352
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,920
happen with regulation in the 
United States. 

1353
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,600
I don't know what will happen 
with people as this whole 

1354
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,480
expansion occurs. 
But even I know you interviewed 

1355
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,040
Mike Polano and he and I am a 
his Co founder and vessel, which

1356
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,520
is really beautiful. 
So the things that I begin to 

1357
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,640
work on, like supplementation 
for pre interim post psychedelic

1358
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,360
experiences like that and 
bringing my Mary Poppins bag 

1359
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,240
along with me to do travel work 
with clients who want me to come

1360
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,760
to their space or their city and
work with them in and out of 

1361
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,440
medicine, in and out of breath 
and cold. 

1362
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,160
It's just, it's lighting my fire
in a way that I I never could 

1363
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,160
have imagined. 
And I called Casper like last 

1364
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,920
week and I was like, you know 
what, fuck you, buddy. 

1365
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,280
Like I feel like I've landed in 
the space, like I'm a medicine 

1366
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,200
woman. 
I'm letting you know. 

1367
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,280
And he just like, laughed and 
was like, I told you so, you 

1368
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,000
know, and it's just years and 
years later and, and only with 

1369
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,720
like, walking the path. 
And I think, I mean, if I didn't

1370
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,400
go through one of the hardest 
times of my life where I didn't 

1371
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,920
know if I was going to make it 
through the other side a couple 

1372
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,840
years ago, I wouldn't be able to
do this work as effectively or 

1373
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,200
have as much empathy or 
connection to the people that I 

1374
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,920
work with. 
So thank you for asking. 

1375
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,000
But that's, yeah. 
Cool. 

1376
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,360
That's the direction I'm headed.
Well, this is fantastic. 

1377
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:01,640
Thank you for coming to hang 
out. 

1378
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,600
Hopefully you come out and hang 
out again with us. 

1379
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,280
Yeah. 
There's so many directions we 

1380
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,960
could have gone too, like you're
previous life as a Fortune 500 

1381
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,720
branding expert in the Red Bull 
thing I'd want to ask more 

1382
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,680
questions about and then how you
got into this from there. 

1383
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,040
So yeah, there's maybe an 
episode too. 

1384
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,920
Well, just for everyone out 
there who's listening, if 

1385
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,440
anyone's ever worried about Red 
Bull, I'm always, I posted on a 

1386
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,640
story like a few weeks back that
we did the math and I've drank 

1387
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,440
like 8000 or more cans of Red 
Bull in my life. 

1388
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,720
So if anyone's going to die. 
So you're fine, relax, you're 

1389
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,000
fine, you're totally fine. 
That's all you need to know all.

1390
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,520
Right before we go, we have. 
We got something for you. 

1391
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,160
You got a. 
Pick one of these colours. 

1392
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:40,960
What colour should red, tan or 
pink? 

1393
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,280
Definitely red. 
Red. 

1394
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,680
OK, definitely red. 
Is that the top one? 

1395
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,440
Can I open it? 
Open it and see what it is? 

1396
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:52,000
Oh, is it a hat? 
It is a hat, yeah. 

1397
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,480
Now you'll be the coolest 
certified. 

1398
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,320
Coolest little psychedelic 
Sonic? 

1399
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,600
Girl, some oils. 
I'm ready. 

1400
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,560
Look at this. 
That is a amanita. 

1401
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,720
Oh my God, I love it. 
I love it. 

1402
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,040
I can tell, I can tell. 
I'll be the triviest. 

1403
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,160
Girl in the sauna, guys, thank 
you so much. 

1404
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:09,880
Hell yeah. 
It's so nice. 

1405
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,000
The most unique ever. 
I love it. 

1406
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,120
Look, a little logo. 
Thank you so much for my gifts 

1407
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,400
and thanks for spending time 
with me and asking all the 

1408
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,040
great, greatest questions. 
Anybody who wants to talk to you

1409
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,360
thinks they want to learn more 
about integration, psychedelics,

1410
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,560
breath work, any of this, how do
they do so? 

1411
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,320
At Kristen Weitzel official on 
Instagram, I answer all of my 

1412
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,600
own DMS, much to my dismay some 
days when I get those pictures. 

1413
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,840
But otherwise, sorry about 
those. 

1414
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,280
I know, I know. 
It's just like it's time to stop

1415
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,000
sharp of breath andcold.com. 
All my work is on there and I 

1416
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,160
even just launched the a page 
called Journeys. 

1417
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,960
It talks a bit more about people
who want to go into altered 

1418
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,400
states working with me, whether 
that's breath cold or otherwise.

1419
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,920
sherpabreathandcold.com and then
anyone who's coaching out there,

1420
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,400
any facilitators, anyone who's 
listening to this and loves 

1421
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,720
doing this work. 
I have a training upcoming and a

1422
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,760
couple online trainings a year 
that are for breathwork and 

1423
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,880
cold, and I love when 
psychedelic facilitators show up

1424
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,520
for those because we can really 
like dive in and talk about how 

1425
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,560
to shift people's nervous 
systems and open up their 

1426
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,320
portal. 
And podcast too. 

1427
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,760
And well powered podcasts. 
That's what I'm going to need to

1428
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,680
drag you guys in and make you do
all the talking. 

1429
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,280
We'll do it. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1430
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,800
Tell us anytime. 
Where do you record? 

1431
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,440
Lots of different places. 
I used to record out of my 

1432
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,240
house, but then I like finished 
my lease. 

1433
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,920
So maybe here, maybe just come 
back here and we'll flip the 

1434
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:29,600
script. 
Great. 

1435
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,080
Let's do it. 
Yeah, cool. 

1436
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,160
Well, thank you, Christian. 
Thanks. 

1437
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,080
For coming.