1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:08,600 We saw the smoke coming out like crazy and we was, yeah, we got 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:13,160 to fly there on the from the If you collapse and open really 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,160 hard, for sure it will break. When it comes to loading the 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,480 acro sport, as you said, you start with SIV maneuvers or a 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,360 regular bladder to know how it feels when it's not above your 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,560 head. But how far does a high V glider 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,000 go in the role of acro paragliding? 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,680 Hello everyone, welcome back to Paragliding Atlas. 9 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:46,200 I am Aninder Singh and this time around we will be joined by a 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,880 very special guest. This guy happens to be an 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,920 inventor, a creator, an inspire, and most importantly, a lover of 12 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,280 paragliding. How often does it happen when we 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,640 go out and say that there's a itch to invent something today? 14 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,640 That I feel like I should revolutionize the thing that I'm 15 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,000 doing or the sport or or the field that I'm in. 16 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,720 And there are a handful of men and women out there who are 17 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,280 still challenging, challenging the status quo and trying to 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,360 increase the fun factor while staying within the limits of 19 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,240 flight envelope. And Raul Rodriguez is exactly 20 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,280 one of them. He went out and believed in his 21 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:38,680 way of life when majority of the community was giving him shit 22 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,480 for what he was doing. Imagine landing at a comp and 23 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,320 70% of the gaggle or 90% of the pilots, they're just being 24 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:49,960 pissed by you saying that you're flying very dangerously, you're 25 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,640 going to kill yourself and blah blah blah. 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:57,200 And then yet, regardless of all of these challenges, you have 27 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,440 the will, you have the motivation, you have the belief, 28 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Most importantly to say that you know what, thank you for your 29 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:11,200 concern, but I'll keep going. And eventually, because he did 30 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,520 not give up back then when he started. 31 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,760 And you know, as you will find out in the show that he found a 32 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,880 really good bunch of friends and and made a beautiful tribe that 33 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,360 went around the world. He was able to create something 34 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:31,720 so unique that it has essentially become one of the 35 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,320 most important parts of the sport that we practice. 36 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,800 Inventing acro wasn't easy and streamlining it into the main 37 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,200 teaching and trying and make a living out of it was a world 38 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,600 only existing in dreams. But as we all know, if you dream 39 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,880 hard enough, if you believe hard enough, you'll find a way to 40 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:02,920 achieve it hard enough. I don't know if the last part 41 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:06,400 made sense or not grammatically, but yeah, dream, believe, 42 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,360 achieve is the mantra. And Raul Rodriguez seems to have 43 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,760 lived it to the fullest. So without further ado, here's 44 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:20,960 presenting episode #4 in the series Risk Versus Reward with 45 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,560 one of the true legends and a great person to talk to, Raul 46 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,680 Rodriguez. I hope you like it. 47 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,680 And if you do, please consider dropping in a like or a 48 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,880 subscribe or even better rating. Yeah, that was a call to action 49 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,160 that I just had to, you know, Spotify has been giving me too 50 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,640 many emails and prompts on how to grow my podcast. 51 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,240 And they were like, bring out call to action to your audience. 52 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,600 And I was like, all right, fair enough. 53 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,720 So here is the first call to action, ladies and gentlemen, 54 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,120 boys and girls and everybody along with them. 55 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,920 Risk versus reward Part 4 from party. 56 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,480 Lighting up this in your ears right away. 57 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:12,080 Raul Rodriguez, five times world champion, 6 times acro world 58 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,360 champion, and now an owner of a paralyzing school. 59 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,480 Who are you Sir, and how did you get to be this awesome in life? 60 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,120 Hello, nice to be here. And yeah, it was a long way to 61 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,720 make all this, but the beginning was because my father, he was a 62 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:37,160 really like crazy sportive guy on this early times that he 63 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,520 create a school teaching friends. 64 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,960 So I was there and from 12 years old I start to fly. 65 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:49,600 And from there I think that this was my way of life, that only 66 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:55,200 way I want to live like flying. It was progressive from me. 67 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,600 The most important was or the most. 68 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,800 The thing that I really love these times every days and still 69 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,360 now is like they you can, I can learn something everyday learn 70 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,600 something, some small move or something about the wind, about 71 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,960 the thermals. It was a long way, like 72 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,120 competing in cross country on these times to learning how to 73 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,920 move to the mountains and in the distance. 74 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,760 But at the same time was more my passion like control the glider 75 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,480 among others. So really from the first flights 76 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,320 I was thinking that I want want to fly straight. 77 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,560 I need to fly making something better than straight. 78 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,120 And so I start to break and release and make no Delphines. 79 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,000 I see on the magazines, the paragliding Spanish magazine 80 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:55,600 that all the DHB man others. So I have a list of man others. 81 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,800 So I was like, yeah, 12 or 13 years old. 82 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,840 And then I see this list and tell to my brother Felix, he 83 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:06,840 started also to fly at this time. 84 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,880 And I tell Felix, this is the list of the maneuvers assistant, 85 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,840 this is the maneuvers we need to control. 86 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:20,200 But it was not one that I can ask around because we live in 87 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:25,600 the middle Spain like flatlands. Only my father and me and my 88 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,560 brother flies. But I was playing all of this 89 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:34,160 alone and teaching to Felix and then also to Oratio, my cousin. 90 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,280 And very soon I finished all the list. 91 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:47,040 So it was like the list was just like, yeah, beast, beast stall, 92 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:52,440 collapse and spiral and full stall and negative and not many 93 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,720 things more like really, I finished very fast all the list. 94 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:02,440 So I practice a lot of this, but then I need to get something 95 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,440 new. Always. 96 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,920 I was pushing all these maneuvers a bit on the limits, 97 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,360 trying to find something. I start with the negative 98 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:18,440 because dynamic moves was the loop, the mouse top. 99 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,280 But then I found them the negative, something like 100 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:28,760 different, like a negative that goes around me, that at the end 101 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,520 it was like one year playing this negative. 102 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,280 And at the end it becomes the set the negative, the glider in 103 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,840 one side being so the other side flying, it was around me. 104 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,920 And at the end I released a bit more and it was like a set, it 105 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,080 takes one year. And from this set I understood 106 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,920 that I can do set asymmetric and tumbling for sure. 107 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:01,920 And at the same time I was playing negative to pull, keep, 108 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,680 pull, release. So mystically my twist. 109 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,480 And I was like this every day straight something different. 110 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,200 I see the videos that we was filming, all the history we were 111 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:21,640 filming with this mini cameras. And when I see every day is my 112 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,600 flight, it was like crazy trying many things every day. 113 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,720 But the the important thing really on this time was the 114 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:37,799 family team like we create the SAP team safety acro team with 115 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,480 these cross country pilots the likes acro. 116 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:49,040 So Richard Gallon, Daniel Grepo, Feli Suraci, Davido, many small 117 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:56,760 group like this just to be close and play acro, watch each others 118 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,840 and learn from the team, from the group. 119 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:06,160 And this group created the good ways to to be safe and play very 120 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,720 hard. Like Chrissy, like me alone. 121 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,920 Making maneuvers is good, but trying to be close to your 122 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,600 friend making maneuvers is really incredible. 123 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,440 It still is the best feeling I have. 124 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,800 Like now with last year's with Horatio Maquise doing brohook 125 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,160 manores like stole manores connected with the fields 126 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,320 brohook. For me the most important relief 127 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:45,080 from always was more like 3-8 manovers was most important than 128 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:52,000 be the best on the competitions. It was crazy, but for sure new 129 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:58,280 maneuvers give me more energy. For me, a. 100% man and they all 130 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,920 know sharing the joy with your near and dear ones increases a 131 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,160 temple. So I can imagine how amazing it 132 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,600 must be exploring all these new experiences with your friends 133 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,320 and family. Can you share with us how did 134 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,920 your visualization look like? Like how did you dream? 135 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,640 Did you have dreams like this or how did you plan to go out and 136 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,880 and make all of this happen? What were your thought process 137 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,120 during all of those years when you were progressing? 138 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,560 And yeah, it was really progressive on the maneuvers, 139 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:30,080 learning from the beginning like a spiral. 140 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,680 I was really progressive on the energy, not going to the maximum 141 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:40,880 spin, just taking, making use to the energy. 142 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,720 But at the end when I need to create something new like a SAT 143 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,560 or tumbling, but it was in my mind already to make a tumbling 144 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:54,040 because yeah, why not hang glider can do a tumbling, 145 00:10:54,680 --> 00:11:00,560 airplane can do tumbling. Why not a paraglider can just go 146 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,960 to the front like one it was they had to make one turn for 147 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,600 sure. And then I I was trying a few 148 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,240 times like tumbling, but it was not really nice out of my 149 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,680 understanding. So I was really progressive from 150 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:24,720 sad to set asymmetric to tumbling lateral to more 151 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,280 vertical. It was really day by day making 152 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,400 a bit of progression on the inclination of the set. 153 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:40,120 But then one in one year or two years we was like nice tumblings 154 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,840 and then it was the first time it was one turn. 155 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:50,760 So then the objective was to make more turns, like two turns. 156 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,760 So it was at the beginning only one turn. 157 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:59,560 Then we start to all right, start to try to make two turns, 158 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:06,840 then three turns. So I said to Felix that the only 159 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:12,760 new way to go to tumbling that I was in my mind is to go totally 160 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,960 straight. Because if now I can keep a 161 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:22,640 tumbling like a bit lateral three times, why not you go 162 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,200 totally straight? But I was never thinking that it 163 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,320 will be more than one turn. I was like, yeah, OK, it will be 164 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,640 straight, totally straight release from hands center. 165 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,840 OK, one turn will be one turn. And then I don't know what will 166 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,880 happen, but then it stay into Infinity. 167 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:52,320 I stay like 123 until eight turns without stopping. 168 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:59,240 So the same energy all move every time I land. 169 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,880 And then I say this is the yeah, Infinity the maneuver. 170 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,680 The name happens to my mind because yeah, you can keep 171 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,120 forever Infinity turns. I was thinking in all the 172 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,480 progression from sad to Infinity to tumbling, but I never 173 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:25,880 imagined that Infinity can happens because yeah nobody 174 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:30,680 trained it was real, not on the progression. 175 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:35,600 Progression can be just straight one turn, but to keep Infinity 176 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,640 was either I never imagined. So at the end all the maneuvers 177 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:46,480 I was thinking imagine this maneuvers progressive like with 178 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,440 more energy or combinations between like dynamic and 179 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:57,440 negative that Infinity really appears like it was a dream. 180 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:03,320 The most important at the end, the perfection from sad to 181 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:08,240 Infinity takes me five years of progression. 182 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,440 Wow. So that's five years of pure 183 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,640 hard work, going out dreaming and putting in the effort years. 184 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,560 And at the end, the last manover to be like crazy was Infinity 185 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,120 and all the rest Manover was in between these five years. 186 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:32,880 So all the synchro and solo Ma, Twiz, Misty Elli, all these 187 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,280 manovers that we played Twisted from yeah, 2003. 188 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:43,160 Then I was playing Twisted like simple maneuvers like little 189 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,080 winovers or spiral or a stall, and also Misty flips. 190 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:54,000 It takes 10 years that other pilots for less start to place 191 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,240 Twisted. It was 10 years like alone 192 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,080 playing Twisted. But the guys don't want to play. 193 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,280 They said it was like crazy, maybe even don't want to try, 194 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:13,640 but at the end and team start to play twisted and now everybody's 195 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,440 twisted. But that is good because twisted 196 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,480 is very important into the progression. 197 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:27,560 It it makes it increase the number of combinations because 198 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:34,440 normal spiral like to the right, you can go twisted to the right 199 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,480 or you can go twisted to the left. 200 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,280 So in the same spiral or you can change the twist. 201 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,240 So in one maneuver you have 3 maneuvers more twisted 202 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,080 combinations and this happens in all the maneuvers. 203 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:56,480 So you can make all with a lot of variants of twisted That is 204 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:02,520 for us is a maneuver. Every new twisted combination is 205 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,520 some another because you need to learn the move and it's 206 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,080 different totally if you're twisted right or twisted left or 207 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:17,120 changing the twist. So the game now is really funny 208 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,760 complicate. They have a lot of 209 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:26,440 possibilities. Sounds sounds amazing, but 210 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,480 before I move on to the equipment part, I just want to 211 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,280 figure out, let's say these five years of hard work when you guys 212 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,880 were inventing from the beginning of something outside 213 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,040 the DHV safety maneuvers. Everyone around you must be 214 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,280 questioning your moves as these guys are just pushing the limits 215 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,320 away too much while there's being so stupid. 216 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,480 Like even today, if somebody tries something out-of-the-box, 217 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,360 people are like, just don't do this. 218 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,720 You're going to kill yourself for something. 219 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,200 So the risk must have been pretty high. 220 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,480 And I understand you were working hard to make sure that 221 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,880 was, you were diminishing the risk as much. 222 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,240 But how did you manage to stay safe during these years of 223 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,880 progression? And what was your strategy to 224 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,079 try and keep everything under control then and you and, and 225 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,440 and everyone around you of the acro team as well. 226 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,359 So how how did you guys stay within the limits of paragliding 227 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,760 while you were chasing this? Yeah, it was like you say, it 228 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,480 was a a time that we was pushing the limits and for the rest of 229 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,280 the world was we was like a crazy voice even for the 230 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,960 professional pilots, like the actually pilot was telling that 231 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,120 the fullest stall was not possible to control things like 232 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,400 this. Like it was maneuvers that you 233 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,280 cannot control. We was already controlling all 234 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:55,800 these maneuvers, so the way to they save was really to be 235 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:02,120 progressive on the control, like not to be trying to not push too 236 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:07,040 much the limit, just to push a little bit more every day by 237 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,440 day, just a little bit more than the day before or the flight 238 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,240 before. Because always when we try to 239 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,720 push a lot more, it was like not controlling situations. 240 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,640 You know, we have a lot of crashes anyway. 241 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,120 Rescues a lot. Even a crash with one friend, 242 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:34,960 Pablo Lopez, 100 meters high, making Syncro so we cannot use 243 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,360 the rescue and both crash. It was like, yeah, we don't 244 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:44,720 break nothing, Pablo break only the backside bomb. 245 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,640 But yeah, it was difficult to manage the risk. 246 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:57,360 Yes, sometimes it was question of lucky when we push the limits 247 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,000 of her, yeah, it's difficult to not have the risk. 248 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:08,920 Even I many times it was crossed to to really cross so close many 249 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,000 times. Well, today was lucky, you know, 250 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,640 like everybody's. Well look at this. 251 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:17,200 I almost crashed to richer. Well, for the matter, I almost 252 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,280 crashed to the ground. But the thing I want to tell you 253 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,120 yeah, was that everybody around was telling us that we are 254 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,160 crazy. Even in some places we cannot do 255 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,760 acro because it's forbidden or organizations telling me to test 256 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,520 the win, then I go and make acro. 257 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,480 But then I make acro into the competition and the book cross 258 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:48,880 country competition and always tell me like I cannot make these 259 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,600 things. So was a big fight from boy 260 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,440 against the rest of the world. Me making maneuvers that they 261 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,520 don't understand and the rest coming to me. 262 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Please, Raul. Stop this you are crazy like the 263 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,800 best the best cross country pilots in the World Cups comes 264 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,040 to me many times and tell me this or Raul you are crazy. 265 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:21,920 Don't do this maneuvers or better at the time that I found 266 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,200 the set and the rest of the maneuvers like this. 267 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,640 This times nobody more Tell me this, you're crazy. 268 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,880 It was different from the time I invent the maneuvers, the new 269 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,400 maneuvers, the people come to me and tell me, wow, 270 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,560 congratulations and thank you more and more the people that 271 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:50,440 can now the new generations give me like feedback as crazy that 272 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,400 acro changed their lives and thanks for maneuvers and all 273 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,800 this. And this is what really making 274 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:04,200 me makes me happy for sure. The feedback from the people and 275 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:09,040 then about to manage the risk just we was in the progression 276 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:14,840 of way, way of progression about the learning crash and learn 277 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,480 something. We crash or we have some problem 278 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,800 and then we learn. So we put two rescues and at the 279 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,720 beginning was only one rescue, but then we saw the rescue goes 280 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,760 on the lines. So maybe two rescues to have two 281 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,960 opportunities then yeah, how to use these rescues? 282 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,640 The Rogallo appears it was so important. 283 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,640 So Rogallo give us the possibility to use the rescue 284 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,000 and go maybe to the landing and safe landing. 285 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,200 And we learned to to use the rescue. 286 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,560 And then finally it becomes our best friend because always it 287 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,200 saves our lives. We learn to use the rescue, take 288 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,280 the glider land safe. So like this on this time to use 289 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:11,640 the rescue was not a big fear or we always have fear on the 290 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,800 maneuvers. When I'm going to the box 291 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,280 thinking that I will do something new for sure, I feel 292 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,680 wow, I know I've been three times inside the glider, so it 293 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,760 can be again for sure. So I'm scare, I feel fear on the 294 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:35,240 way to the box, but then you need to decide if I need to 295 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:40,000 decide if I will do or not. And I always decide to try. 296 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,960 And at the time I decide to try the fear disappear then just 297 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,120 focus in the maneuver. So with the rescues the same 298 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,040 when you never use the rescue, it's like so scary, it sounds 299 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,560 like crazy. Then maybe you will die or I 300 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,120 don't know. But really when you use the 301 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:04,440 rescue many times then you understand that it saves your 302 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,080 lives. As soon you are out of control, 303 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:13,040 use the rescue and this also Organia. 304 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:21,720 It was a crazy and nice casualty to to to be there because we was 305 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,840 the first to be there when no acro pilots assisting. 306 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,120 So it was in the maneuver like four years alone. 307 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:36,880 So like the sub team and the place is really safe because all 308 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,680 the mountains have little trees and then the landing is like 309 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:46,960 clean. So we learn how to use the 310 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,880 rescue on this mountain is important. 311 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,560 Also the group on this situation when you use a rescue like in 312 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,280 organ, yeah, a lot of pilots fly in there. 313 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,440 So when someone uses the rescues, everybody looking 314 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,400 what's happened, if the pilots close can fly and be really 315 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,160 close to the pilot, like to see if it's OK and that is give you 316 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:19,360 some kind of a good feeling. If I fly in Organia with nobody 317 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,240 alone and then I usually rescue, it can be a problem. 318 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:29,480 If you know, maybe a land on the mountain cannot escape from 319 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,160 there, nobody see me. You alone is not the same as 320 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,480 with the group. So for the safety also this 321 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:44,320 group like your friends or like in Organia is everybody a big 322 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,560 Group, A family that everybody look to the other and we all 323 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:53,200 talk and learn from the others. It's important. 324 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,920 I think we have a very good progression in organia because 325 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:04,400 the group make you progress safety like better feeling and 326 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:09,800 also like safety A. 100% role. I think teamwork makes dream 327 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,000 work is the saying that comes to my mind. 328 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,320 And that's what you guys did. You as a team, you made your 329 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,760 dreams a reality in the sport of acro. 330 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,160 But tell me something about the early days role. 331 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,480 Let's say that five year period when you had World Cup pilots 332 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,360 coming up to you and saying that, hey, you're doing 333 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,920 something wrong and don't do this, you're going to hurt 334 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,560 yourself and all. How did you manage to shut away 335 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,880 all that negativity and still focus on your dream and passion? 336 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,800 Yeah, it was a question of belief in me. 337 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,560 They really need to believe in me. 338 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,000 It was the the best pilots in the world coming to me and 339 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000 telling thee these things to negative words. 340 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,560 But I know what I'm doing. I know that I control these 341 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,760 guys. That my my response was like, 342 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,320 OK, you tell me that I cannot control my win overs like this, 343 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,720 but I see, I see that you cannot put the glider on the side. 344 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,920 So for me, are you the guy that are crazy flying then don't know 345 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,160 how to control the glider in all the positions. 346 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,200 So I know really what I was doing and I was just like 347 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,800 passing away. These things continue with my 348 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,480 focus and it's still the same because it's crazy sometimes, 349 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,240 even for me, the things that they as I have are crazy. 350 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,480 Then I need to tell to someone like Horacio, OK Horacio, we go 351 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,800 to sat together connected with the feet and then it's OK. 352 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,280 Really, we want to do this. What if something happens? 353 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,440 We are like close, we will just crash each other. 354 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,680 But I need to believe in me, because if not, it's like always 355 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,560 about the question of fear. If I'm scared to die and I don't 356 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,000 try, for sure. If I don't try a new thing and 357 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,880 you eat there because I'm scared, my evolution is stopped 358 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,120 is done. So surely a question of fear 359 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,640 that you need to try. And you always, for me at least, 360 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,080 I always, I was really scared to try something like a sad fusion 361 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,200 with Oracle, really scared about how we will escape from this 362 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:27,520 maneuver or but at the end we try and we it was OK, like we 363 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:33,640 don't crash. So this fight against the fear, 364 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:40,560 it's always when you try and you see that is not like you thought 365 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,680 that you will die. It helps like it's easier and 366 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,760 easier to cross this limit because we crossed many times. 367 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,760 How many times we say maybe today's the day that I will die 368 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,880 because yes, I will try to do this and I know I can go 369 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:05,160 together or can go to my friend always is passing in these 370 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,600 thinking on the mind, but we need to fight again this 371 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:16,440 negative aggressions and just to focus on the way to to make it. 372 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,360 But yeah, I'm really like very obsessive with these things. 373 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:27,280 If I want to try something I for sure will go, doesn't matter the 374 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,120 risk because is I needed to try everything. 375 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,600 Do you have any sort of marital preparation that you prepare for 376 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,840 high risk situations? Let's say the the latest 377 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,160 maneuver that you did with Horatio let's like legs locked 378 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960 SAT maneuver. Was it sad or was it something 379 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,480 else? So let's say the the one which 380 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,440 got you drones in the latest World championship. 381 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,560 How do you mentally prepare yourself? 382 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,320 What does your training regime look like when you try to go in 383 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,480 to these brand new situations which are alien even to you? 384 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Like how? How do you navigate that one? 385 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:07,200 Yeah, we guess before to me to this try we made luck with the 386 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200 legs. Look at the spider, like very 387 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,600 strong spider like 360, but with the gliders really diving. 388 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:21,440 So it was a feeling that it give me the point to to tell to that 389 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,360 we can go to the next step. And then we just prepare 390 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:31,760 thinking about the maneuver together, trying to see all the 391 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,800 possible situations. If we go to sad, if I break to 392 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:41,120 mats, if I want to release, then if I release what the gliders do 393 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,080 pulling down or is pulling up. So we just talk a lot about the 394 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,040 maneuver and the night. It was like a difficult to sleep 395 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,360 thinking that we will try this thing the next day. 396 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,160 But at the end it was, yeah, really like always to on the way 397 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,360 to the box 12. Why we want to try this. 398 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:15,240 No, the thinkings like why maybe we crash, I don't know, but it's 399 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,640 always the same. As soon as I start to to make 400 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,120 the maneuver, all the fears disappear and just focus on the 401 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,520 maneuver, focus on the glider. So there's no way to have fear, 402 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,400 but preparation is more like mentality mental. 403 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Yeah, make imagine the maneuver in your mind as many times as 404 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,640 possible with all the variations. 405 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,280 Got it. Can you talk to our audience a 406 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,280 little bit about how this mental preparation or the flying in the 407 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,640 air has changed over a period of time? 408 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,480 Let's say you've been doing this for nearly 30 years now, and how 409 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,640 have you as a pilot evolved in this decision making when you 410 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,160 were a teenager compared to what you are now, although you're 411 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,680 still winning podiums? Yeah. 412 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,560 It changed always changed for sure saying when I was 20 years 413 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,760 old and pushing all this, this limit was like really pushing a 414 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,520 lot crazy. But I still feel the same 415 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,760 sometimes like this summer I was pushing the limits a lot with 416 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,240 with Horatio in this intro. Yeah, trying this sad fusion 417 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,360 that during the summer in Organia with the Jose Colombian 418 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,760 guy that we fly together close, really close into the lines 419 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,360 crossing the gliders all the time like a different way of is 420 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:48,840 yeah, not really maneuvers, but different ways of flying close 421 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,720 like trying to be inside the glider as much as possible, grab 422 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,000 the gliders, touch. So we was really crazy. 423 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,040 I push the limits really stronger against Jose, but also 424 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,880 it was I was feeling good enough to play maneuvers close to the 425 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:15,240 ground like a proximity acro. It was a there that I have for a 426 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:21,520 long time thinking about making in in a mountain with the snow 427 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,160 there. It was in or taking energy 360, 428 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:33,600 touching a 3A misty flip and then touching 3 misty flip 3. 429 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,480 So I, I attacked the mountain in two maneuvers and this was 430 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:47,760 really a scare, really impressed me a lot because on the way to 431 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,480 pull the misty flee was like, yeah, maybe 20 meters from the 432 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,040 mountain. So I cannot make a mistake like 433 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,120 not a rescue possible. But it was the feeling. 434 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,920 It was different on the same maneuver. 435 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,480 Misty flip was really different To make it close to the ground 436 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:13,520 that in the sky, like in the box that you have no reference so 437 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,360 close to the ground was like really focus me on the maneuver, 438 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:26,080 on the energy, on the my all move rotations energy. 439 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,880 And I play this like really hard. 440 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,200 I found the limits. Yeah, absolutely. 441 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,080 I almost, yeah, touched the all the mountain all the way down, 442 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,720 touching the trees, making misty flips and MC Twis misty fleece 443 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,520 one turn and MC Twis two turns. Sounds so exciting. 444 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,240 In fact I saw a huge Instagram video of yours. 445 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,600 I don't know which size ozone were you flying, Maybe 14 or 18 446 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,560 and you were doing Helicos so low to the ground it was like 447 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,960 the is this, it's the same one that you're talking about. 448 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,159 But not the helicos like Misty 3 protection one to just to escape 449 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,639 again and so close like really between the trees. 450 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,960 So Chris the the the rest of the acropilots, there was not no one 451 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:23,000 wants to even try. So it was pushing really hard. 452 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,400 So is it different from when I was 20? 453 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,520 But I still like to push a lot. Can I ask you why do you push so 454 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,360 hard? That I need to really understand 455 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:42,719 everything I want to try to create as much as I can create a 456 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,199 new maneuver for me, so important really. 457 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,320 Or a new style. Create proximity acro as well. 458 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,000 So it's something new. Maybe in the future the rest of 459 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,880 the pilots will do it for me, it's the best feeling to create 460 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,880 something that in the future everybody can play that for 461 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160 sure. They stay for everyone they 462 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,080 wants and into the future forever. 463 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,320 So it's a crazy thing. Hey there. 464 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,240 Like maneuvers like Infinity. It will be Infinity forever for 465 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,560 everyone. And this makes me, yeah. 466 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,680 Really happy. Wow, what a way to cement your 467 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,960 legacy in the sport. I would say proximity acro. 468 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,040 God that that sounds super exciting though, because I I'm 469 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,320 just a cross country quite and when I fly close to the terrain 470 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,160 or just close to the tree tops, it's it's a whole different 471 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,080 feeling than flying super high up where the reference point 472 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,880 does not exist. So I can just imagine how much 473 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,320 adrenaline you must be chasing when you are doing all of these 474 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,720 Acros so close. Crazy. 475 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,080 I was one. Yeah, maybe I do choose 3 when 4 476 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,200 consecutives and then I need to stop because my hair will 477 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,760 explode at the end. I get used to and I can do all 478 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,600 the mountain down, but then I land like crazy. 479 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:10,440 Wow. Yeah, 10 maneuvers at this level 480 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,520 is 10 base jumps. Wow, I can imagine Aqua fire 481 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,160 lighting is a whole different scenario compared to any other 482 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,520 form of flying. Yeah, but on there it's not like 483 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,080 this proximity acro we will have on the mountains like big 484 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:33,400 mountains with cliffs and trees. So I can make lines that they 485 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:39,120 will be like unique lines like a proximity with also Infinity. 486 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,840 If we have, I have a Cliff that they can do close to the trees 487 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:50,280 and then side of the Cliff make a few tons in Infinity and then 488 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,920 fly back and then yeah, it's like acro proximity. 489 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,360 So the lines will be crazy. This winter. 490 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,720 I want to play on the snow. Needless to say, looking 491 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,280 forward, Roll and I'm pretty sure all our listeners are as 492 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,720 well, so I think they can chase you on Instagram and see all 493 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,440 your adventures there, right? Yeah, for sure. 494 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,760 Amazing. No, they have the proximity is 495 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,360 really proximity begins to mix it with the snowboard. 496 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,840 OK, in the snow because I love snowboard and then and then 497 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,640 snowboard is a nice combination to play in the mountain like 498 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,840 touching, making accrue and the snow like kind of this it's like 499 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,240 question of need to try something different always, 500 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,120 yeah. Were you a very restless child 501 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,120 when you were young? Because usually that is how, how 502 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120 these, these kind of people are, You know, they, they can't sit 503 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,560 in one place for too long. So were you one of those kinds 504 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,000 when you were growing up that eventually you turned out to be 505 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,600 the coolest acropolate in the world? 506 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:01,760 What? What? 507 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,440 Sorry. I'm saying, were you a very 508 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,600 impatient child when you were young? 509 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,960 Yeah, absolutely. I need to you know the the place 510 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,800 I am in now is in my parents house in is a small city in the 511 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,120 floodlands. So I was like making, trying to 512 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,040 escape from this small city because there's nothing around, 513 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,240 not trees even not rivers, no mountains. 514 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:35,320 So I always want to stay out of here and fly in the mountains. 515 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,200 But I also I need to always create something like 516 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,760 inventions. Yeah, I have 7 machines. 517 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:49,960 So I make the acro handles that all the acro Pilots has now. 518 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:55,120 It was my invention because I need something different than a 519 00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:01,320 normal brake handle or the base system because I think I was 520 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,200 looking at the base jams and then I saw that it can be good 521 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,480 to have a base jam also in the harness. 522 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,600 So I go with the Regat and create the first base system 523 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,000 like this. I need to always create things. 524 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,400 I have a lot ideas like crazy, cannot stop and then I need to 525 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:31,040 find because the videos and the pictures are not good to express 526 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:37,360 even maneuvers or moves. So better just making painting 527 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:44,960 or designs on the computer a lot also with the a crew maneuvers 528 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:52,160 and bears. So yes, also that that I have a 529 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:58,760 list of maneuvers that I always from boys from this list, sorry 530 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,880 list. I have the list. 531 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:07,120 So increase the list and I play with the in the external with 532 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,680 group of maneuvers and maneuvers combinations. 533 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,240 And the list is is so big. Really. 534 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,480 Now I have more than 4000 possible combinations. 535 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,360 Wow. Yeah. 536 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,080 So that's the biggest secret I've heard in the world of 537 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,240 parabolic roles. Yeah, now I think Chris S yeah, 538 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,320 more than thousand solo and like more than 3000 singer. 539 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,880 But the thing in this list that I that all the time that I go to 540 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,640 the list to check then it increased because I see more 541 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:49,280 combinations because we have new combinations so I can put there. 542 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,760 So the list is always increasing. 543 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,080 I stopped to this 4000 or like two years ago. 544 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,680 I stopped to check the list and I decided the number is like 545 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,760 increasing to Infinity. This is my conclusion, but at 546 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,960 the for the moment we have a lot in this list. 547 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:17,200 Maybe we need a few generations to make all these maneuvers. 548 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:23,240 Like it's so big with pilot syncro, 2 pilots, 3 pilots 549 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,160 maneuvers of groups. There are two mats a lot 550 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,440 Infinity of possibility sensor. But do you have your favorite 551 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,720 ones from the list? Do you have like top five, top 552 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,600 ten, which you can tell our listers right now? 553 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,800 Yeah, but the best are the the first ones for sure. 554 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:47,600 Infinity or Misty flim and mass twizz are the best for sure 555 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,320 because are the basics move like different feelings like 556 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,760 straight, totally straight or 1/2 rotation or full power 557 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:02,320 rotation, mass twist and then synchro bro hook is crazy. 558 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:08,200 Like really connect to your friend and maybe just fly 559 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,720 straight and then it's crazy. But making maneuvers, wow yes. 560 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:19,280 And for future maneuvers, yeah, I have some that I really want 561 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,120 to play like, but need to be in groups for pilots, maybe 5 562 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,840 pilots. But there are a lot really 563 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,480 beautiful combinations I need to try for sure. 564 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,520 Is is is it a secret list or do your friends get to see it now 565 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,720 and then? Secret. 566 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,840 All right, Fair. No. 567 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,360 But I think it's important not too far to to put this list in 568 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:52,720 public and like this, we can all go to a new trick or try to 569 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,600 because there are a lot. If you had the level and you can 570 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,640 try, why not? You go to the list and then 571 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:05,320 maybe I can try this just to be faster on the evolution. 572 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,960 But yeah, for the moment, it's just like Excel with 9 names. 573 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:16,280 So to make the list, I need a lot of work to put 3 maneuver 574 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:22,360 explanation with some kind of rows of pictures because it's 575 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,880 not our only names, but it can be, yeah, yeah. 576 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,880 So work that I need to do for sure. 577 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:32,200 Raoul, before I proceed to your school and imparting knowledge 578 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,720 to the next generation, I quickly want to touch upon the 579 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:38,400 topic of equipment. Gliders have come a very long 580 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,200 way since you guys started and of course you were practicing on 581 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,120 very different technology of wings and now the wings are 582 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,160 getting smaller and smaller. We have 14 square meter accurate 583 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,280 sizes. So how have you seen the 584 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,720 technology in Acrobaralleting evolved and is it getting safer 585 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:02,920 or is it getting more exciting? The Ballucian was like the first 586 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,560 acrobladder that I have. It was Millennium from there was 587 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:14,680 the cross country top gladder, but it was good to to set at 588 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:20,280 least because at these times when the SAT appear, then we try 589 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,640 with other gliders and it was like not all the gliders can do 590 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,520 SAT more of them collapse the tips the cross country gliders 591 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:35,160 because the competitions and then we ask for small sizes and 592 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,480 less aspect drive you to this sat maneuver to not collapse. 593 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,720 It was coming the gliders better and better like in two years, 594 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,600 three years from the first competition with the gliders was 595 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,000 really crazy good making perfect tumblings. 596 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,800 All of the competition actual gliders if you stall and release 597 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,760 it will pass under you. Maybe you go on the glider 598 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:11,080 because you make in the not in the good time, but it means that 599 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,120 these competition ladders are really technical and dangerous 600 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,800 if you no control. If you make a stall or misty 601 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,560 flip and you forget to break the shooting, you can go on the 602 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,240 glider. I I quickly when it comes to 603 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:32,840 loading the acro sport. As you said, you start with SIV, 604 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,920 manure works on a regular glider to know how it feels when it's 605 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,160 not above your head. But how far does a high bead 606 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,080 glider go in the role of acro paragliding? 607 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,080 Can a high bead glider do majority of the tricks but 608 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,760 tumbling? And better, yeah, can do their 609 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,400 tricks, but it's like more aspect radio so you need more 610 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,440 control. It's not designed for maneuvers 611 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:05,440 like simple stall fly backwards. If I have a glider with low as 612 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,760 per radio the tips are really solid but be with a lot of as 613 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,160 per radio even if I'm really good on the brakes, the tips 614 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:20,280 will go to the front and then so they can do the maneuvers but 615 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,520 not that clean as acrobladers for sure. 616 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,920 The acrobladers are the ladders perfect designed for stall and 617 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,560 fly backwards because the dynamic maneuvers every guy that 618 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,800 will do OK. Dynamic doesn't matter. 619 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,920 Competition, response, free or a glider. 620 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,360 What is dynamic? Spiral and we know there's a 621 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,960 loop. These are dynamic, the positive 622 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,280 flying, but then the problem is when a negative flying like 623 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,200 stall, if the glider is not designed for a stall maneuvers 624 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:03,240 like it moves a lot is not clean and then it's yeah, not flying 625 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,680 backwards like stable. It's super instable. 626 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,160 So for this glider, they have low aster radio. 627 00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:16,440 It's much better like a glider school glider you will stall and 628 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,480 then glider will stay open. Yeah. 629 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,920 Can you damage the fabric or the stitching of a cross country 630 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,160 glider if you try and put it in some sort of introductory acro 631 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,600 para gliding? We will not be damaged by the 632 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,400 maneuvers like themselves, like in a spiral. 633 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,720 Yeah, you will have a lot of tension. 634 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,720 But the problem is for me I think is when you get a collapse 635 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,160 in the maneuver, like it win over, you make it win over and 636 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,960 then collapse and then it opens really hard. 637 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,000 Then you can then break the lines for sure all the fabric in 638 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,680 their reopenings from collapses into the manovas. 639 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,200 Maybe the manova is not that strong that if you collapse and 640 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,520 open really hard for sure it will break. 641 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,480 Makes sense, Makes sense. Let's talk a little bit about 642 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,080 your latest project role, the one which you're doing with your 643 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,600 cousin Horacio Fusion Paraligning school. 644 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,360 Tell us about this brand new epic journey that you both of 645 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,680 you have started on about sharing the knowledge and how is 646 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,080 it going so far? Yeah, We start with this idea a 647 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,960 few years ago. I make a lot of SCV courses 648 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,720 before, but now the idea is just to to teach. 649 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,120 We don't make a lot of courses. We're more focused at at least 650 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,240 this year we were focused on the competition and training. 651 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:51,960 So we did 1-2 courses only. But the project we have now is 652 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:58,600 we are focused on now is film from the family about the story 653 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,760 of the darker. And so it's a thing that we try, 654 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:11,880 we will try to sell to like the Amazon or Netflix or so a big 655 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:17,800 film from the family that we already close to finish filming 656 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,880 and will be done, will be finished in in July next year. 657 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,640 So this is our big prayer. Now. 658 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,640 We have more than 300 hours of filming from the beginning of 659 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,880 the acro, from the first maneuver. 660 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,560 All the maneuvers are filming. We're filming all the parties, 661 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,000 the trips, the family life, the maneuvers, the competitions. 662 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,600 Yeah, this is the big period. Love it, love it. 663 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,520 I think sharing the intimate journey that all of you guys 664 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,480 have had together with the audiences around the world is 665 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,680 going to be priceless. So cannot wait for July next 666 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,120 year to come around. And but while we're talking 667 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,360 about filming, I forgot to ask you this. 668 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,040 Gopros have just grown up in popularity and acro paragliding 669 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,160 or any sort of paragliding comes with its own challenges of lines 670 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,560 being thrown around your head or somewhere around that. 671 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,680 When a new beginner is going out there with a camera, how do you 672 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,160 or how have you navigated filming in flight and staying 673 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,920 safe while doing that? Because any external attachment 674 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,560 is quite risky thing in Internet lighting. 675 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,080 Yeah, the best place is to put in the knee. 676 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,160 It's like, yeah, helmet GoPro is dangerous really. 677 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,360 In case you have a collapse lines can grab the the GoPro, 678 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,360 even the brake line or so the helmet GoPro is like really not. 679 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,120 I don't suggest to to use it because really dangerous, but I 680 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,240 use it there using the helmet because it's the best view. 681 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,200 But for me, the most important if I want to check and and make 682 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,160 a report from the pilot is the camera on the knee, GoPro face 683 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,360 to the glider. So I can see like the hair and 684 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,880 the and the arms and the glider and then all the moves then I 685 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,480 can take, yeah. I think Gopros basically opened 686 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,080 up a whole new world which people were not able to. 687 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,280 Through at the beginning we need to use cameras like with mini de 688 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,360 ube cassettes. So it was a big cameras and then 689 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,960 with we need to buy grand fist eyes and then this we need to 690 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,160 fix buy tapes on the knee on the helmet just because we're not 691 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:48,840 not possible to do in another way only by tape all around. 692 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:54,440 And then when Gopro's appear, it make us our progression faster, 693 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,160 yes. Makes sense, we are almost 694 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,440 reaching the end of the the show here with the time that we have. 695 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,640 I quickly want to touch upon a topic with your school that this 696 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,280 is a question that I forgot to ask you earlier. 697 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,960 That when a new student comes from an instructor's point of 698 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,160 view, if there are any instructors listening to this, 699 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,560 how do you assess the student and how do you decide giving 700 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,400 that, how to design the progression for the instructor 701 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,480 or for the student that that comes in? 702 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,600 For me it's yeah, a work of the work. 703 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:36,120 I need to go in everyone and then make like a simple routine 704 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:41,440 for the first flight and ask a few maneuvers, very simple 705 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,440 spiral so all their things will collapse. 706 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,560 Then from this flight I said I can see if the pilot is pulling, 707 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,880 is feeling affordable or knowing through the energy. 708 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,480 It's very personal work. Like every pilot has his own 709 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:05,760 yeah, fears and limits. So I try to not push the limits. 710 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,160 I tried that the pilot push the limit himself. 711 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,000 Something like this is my way of checking. 712 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,360 True. Do you all, do you say no to 713 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,400 some students as well who you think are like not ready to be a 714 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,920 part of the course yet? No. 715 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,880 But the course for sure for every level is not a question of 716 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,000 level or I think every pilot is ready to go for this. 717 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:35,880 The objectives are like learn something new, learn something 718 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,560 about maybe control the glider. That not means that the pilot 719 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:46,640 need to make all the maneuvers. So for me, every pilot is 720 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,440 welcome. So. 721 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,480 Yeah. I think anyways, any of our 722 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,960 listeners who are curious about what we are talking about, they 723 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,640 can head over to the website of the school called Fusion 724 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,400 flyingschool.com, the link to which will be posted in the show 725 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,440 notes below. So feel free to check out Fusion 726 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,840 Flying School. This is a joint venture by Raul 727 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,720 and Horatio in sharing their knowledge with all of us and 728 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:16,360 making paragliding and acro paragliding a better place in 729 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,640 all together. I think with that role we are 730 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,720 coming to the end of the show. So before I let you go, I would 731 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:27,920 request you as I do to a lot of my guests, can you share one 732 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:36,760 story that I stuck with you? For me the most important about 733 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,200 flying is like friends and of course a connection with the 734 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,400 nature. And I think one of the stories 735 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:49,120 is that the most exciting story about connection with the nature 736 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,200 was in a trip with the sub team in Chile. 737 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,200 And then we was all together with like 10 pilots tripping, 738 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,880 travelling for Chile and we arrived to boulders to 3000 739 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,040 meters high Fukon volcan full of snow. 740 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:12,560 But then and, and it's an active Balkan, so we saw the smoke 741 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:19,000 coming out like crazy and we was yeah, we got to fly there on the 742 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:23,560 from the Balkan from the bottom. So we go to the rotor side, 743 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,760 which was the only place that we can go by car. 744 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,640 So we really take off from the lease side, but it was from wind 745 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:35,480 on the bottom side. So we all take off, try to reach 746 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,840 the Balkan, the top, like all the sub team trying to see the 747 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,280 magma, the volcan. But he was super turbulent, 748 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:50,360 collapsing crazy and and all my friends just fly down because he 749 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,120 was so turbulent. And I was there fighting. 750 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:59,760 And at the end I can climb over the Balkan and go to the yeah, 751 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,960 to the just over the Balkan and see the magma. 752 00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:09,600 And the whole was, I was just there watching and some, some 753 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:15,000 little madman was like coming out and inside again. 754 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,640 And he was like, wow. Then I took land there and the 755 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,280 Mountaineers that I there, they were there. 756 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,400 I was like calling me crazy because they took 8 hours to 757 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,800 climb and I was like like in normal shoes. 758 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,040 Yeah, it was so funny. Then I know I can take off 759 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,760 again. So it was a nice spelling with 760 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:45,920 the yeah with the nature. But there are many stories like 761 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,440 so. I I can imagine and no one 762 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,680 podcast episode can do justice to the amount of experience and 763 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,400 the excitement you've had in your life. 764 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,800 So we'll be sure to bring you back for another one. 765 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,840 But flying over volcano is not something that a lot of people 766 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,160 can boast about, but neither can they boast about inventing 767 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,840 across. So you are one-of-a-kind role 768 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,360 and it's been an absolute honor and pleasure to have you on the 769 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,280 show and have you in the community and have you as a part 770 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,480 of the paragliding sport as a whole. 771 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,600 Thank you so much, Raul. It's been a pleasure. 772 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,840 Thanks to you for the invitation, the experience.